Properly Howard - Felonies and Fugazis: Shakedown (1988)

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[00:03:51] David Hello, Properly Howard fans. Before we get to our coverage of ShakeDown,

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[00:04:02] this season. Here to talk about it for a couple of minutes is David from the Lorehounds.

[00:04:07] I've got David from Lorehound fame with me this morning. David, tell me what's going on with the

[00:04:14] Lorehounds right now. David We're a little busy catching up. We've been hanging in with Shogun,

[00:04:20] which has been a phenomenal series of television and we're getting ready for a bumper crop this

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[00:04:42] Fallout, one of our really super active Discord users, Aaron, who is also one of our moderators.

[00:04:50] He roped in a buddy of his, Chase, and they've been podcasting about Fallout. It's called

[00:04:55] Radioactive Ramblings. So that's really fun. Marilyn's been busy with Rings and Rituals

[00:04:59] with her and Dr. Sarah Brown. So yeah, we've got a fun little family rolling along here or sponsoring

[00:05:06] a bunch of other podcasts and stuff. Dave Yeah, well, I'm happy to be at least,

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[00:05:56] Properly Howard. I love the format. Dave Yeah, but you seemed especially excited about

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[00:06:08] Aaron I just, I thought the title was great and it just made me think of all those really

[00:06:12] Goodfellas type movies. And so I was listening to your draft and I was like, oh, well,

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[00:06:36] Dave We'll put a link in the show notes of this particular episode. All right, so yeah,

[00:06:40] you'll go to that page and at the very minimum, you'll be able to see which movies were covering.

[00:06:47] Aaron Correct.

[00:06:48] Dave Right. Which is something that Steve and I have not been great about. So I appreciate that.

[00:06:54] Aaron It's very helpful. And so I put them in order. So when you land on the page,

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[00:07:18] for the year, who picked the movie and then your categories for unlikely partners or

[00:07:27] Dave Right. Which category of the movie falls into according to our draft, right?

[00:07:32] Yeah. So then if you click on the tile, it'll open up a little side page and you can see all that

[00:07:39] information. But then I also embedded links for IMDB and Letterbox. So people want to follow

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[00:07:52] Dave Over.

[00:07:53] Dave So on point break,

[00:07:56] this all sounds so official. I'm so happy that you stepped into the void here.

[00:08:02] Aaron What I'm also doing is once the podcast drops,

[00:08:06] I will embed the podcast in there. But I've also embedded the trailers. So if you click

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[00:08:27] have trouble finding the original movie, there's a way to request Plex access to see the movie.

[00:08:32] Dave Now, I wanted to ask you, David, since we're covering felonies and fugazies,

[00:08:40] what do you think is missing from this particular list that you would like to see on this list?

[00:08:48] I think something from the genre of the heavy duty mobster category. So a good fella is a casino.

[00:08:59] Dave Yeah, no, I think those are really good ones.

[00:09:05] I guess we didn't really do a hard hitting mafia kind of movie on this list. And I think that

[00:09:11] absolutely an oversight. Thank you for mentioning that. I think that sometimes with this podcast,

[00:09:17] we try to go for hidden gems. Not always, you know, it's like, you know, I did go

[00:09:23] Pulp Fiction, which should be coming up for us. But

[00:09:27] Jared Yeah, Rocky. That's a, you know, an epic movie.

[00:09:30] Dave Right. But you wouldn't think of Rocky as a crime movie usually. So yeah, maybe

[00:09:36] we're erring on not too many of the deep cuts and not enough of the, you know, the, the,

[00:09:42] the greatest hits. So okay, that's good. Which is your favorite of those kinds of movies?

[00:09:49] Dave I think Goodfellas is just such a great historical overview of mafia

[00:10:00] and history in modern history. And it's got such compelling characters, and it's got such a pacing.

[00:10:09] And then when you hit that final chapter of it, and just the speed at which it's rolling

[00:10:14] forward, it's a movie that really carries me. And I can just think of the scenes and I smile

[00:10:20] or I'm like, wow. Yeah, it's it is absolutely one of these movies that you can watch 50 times.

[00:10:28] There's so much to it. Yeah.

[00:10:29] Jared Can I ask you a quick question before we bounce out? What is the ending music for

[00:10:37] Properly Howard? Because I honestly listen all the way through because I love that song.

[00:10:43] Dave It's a great, it's a great song. It's a great song. It is the intro music

[00:10:52] to the film The Taking of Pelham 123.

[00:10:54] Jared Oh.

[00:10:55] Dave The original.

[00:10:56] Jared The original. Okay.

[00:10:58] Dave And for me, it connotes a particular era in moviemaking.

[00:11:04] Jared Yes. Mm hmm. Great.

[00:11:05] Dave And just that robust horn section,

[00:11:09] the percussiveness of the song. I just get pumped every single time I hear that song.

[00:11:14] Jared I do too. Like genuinely.

[00:11:17] Comes from a particular era of moviemaking that I think has passed us by.

[00:11:23] Dave Absolutely.

[00:11:24] Jared But it's a banger of a song for sure.

[00:11:26] Dave I'm so glad that you have.

[00:11:28] What about Nightbride, Nate?

[00:11:30] Nate!

[00:11:30] Nate!

[00:11:45] Welcome to Properly Howard, a podcast that reviews classic films and other pulp fiction.

[00:11:51] Today we take a look at the 1988 action crime thriller,

[00:11:55] Shakedown. Shakedown is part gritty cop story, part courtroom drama,

[00:12:00] and part live action Looney Tunes cartoon. Peter Weller stars as a tenor sax playing lawyer

[00:12:06] with bad taste and ties who works alongside Sam Elliott who plays a no-nonsense cop with

[00:12:12] a history of involuntary dog slaughter and he is not afraid to weaponize a roller coaster.

[00:12:19] With me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony Ladon.

[00:12:23] Dave Steve, does anyone sit at a bar like Sam Elliott?

[00:12:27] Dave Nobody can. I mean we all try, right? I mean I think that's, it's funny because there

[00:12:33] are those who have seen Sam Elliott in a movie sitting at a bar and there are those that don't

[00:12:40] and that shows anytime you go to a bar. Anyone that's sitting straight up or anyone

[00:12:46] that's just kind of just looking like a regular, just an average Joe, they've never

[00:12:52] seen because as soon as you see it you're like oh that's what you gotta do. I gotta do a slight

[00:12:55] hunch, cock the head just a little bit to the left, a rye smirk, act as if you have a mustache,

[00:13:02] you know? I wipe away, you know, beer from a mustache that's nonexistent.

[00:13:06] Dave For those who do not know Sam Elliott,

[00:13:11] what has he been in? Where would they know him from?

[00:13:14] Dave Flannel.

[00:13:16] Dave He's one of these actors where like everyone's seen him in a movie

[00:13:24] and he's always pretty memorable but for some reason he's not like a household name.

[00:13:31] He's one of these guys you, well you know, he was the guy in The Big Lebowski. No, no,

[00:13:36] not Goodman, not Buscemi. He's the other, no, he's the other guy. So what,

[00:13:43] what do you think is his most memorable role?

[00:13:46] Dave Um, see that's a really interesting question

[00:13:50] because I actually had a conversation with somebody about Sam Elliott and it's like,

[00:13:55] you know, what is his most memorable role? Like what is he known for? I mean like he's,

[00:14:01] you know, he's been in some big films and he's had a real, you know,

[00:14:09] a prominent effect on a lot of those films. Like you know, in Roadhouse for example,

[00:14:13] you know, and Mask and, you know, Tombstone.

[00:14:19] Dave He's the hippie boyfriend. He shares hippie boyfriend in Mask, right?

[00:14:25] Dave Right. He's the uh...

[00:14:26] Dave He's in Tombstone. He's the older deep, deep voice brother in Tombstone.

[00:14:33] Dave Yeah. He's sort of this, you know, figure of wisdom in The Big Lebowski.

[00:14:41] Dave Oh yeah, he's the narrator and yeah. I mean he's been in a lot of stuff for sure.

[00:14:47] Dave He was famously in a really great episode of Parks and Rec.

[00:14:54] Dave Right.

[00:14:55] Dave Where he's the liberal equivalent to Ron.

[00:15:00] Dave Ron Swanson, yeah.

[00:15:01] Dave Yeah, he's sort of like the yin to Swanson's yang. That was a great role for him.

[00:15:07] But he's not usually cast as the lead, right? He's more of a...

[00:15:12] Dave Unless it was the man who killed Hitler and then the Bigfoot.

[00:15:16] Dave Oh, I didn't see that one. All right, so he was the lead in that? Is that right?

[00:15:20] Dave Yeah, yeah.

[00:15:21] Dave Okay, so I think people know who we're talking about.

[00:15:25] So even in this film, he's kind of second banana, right?

[00:15:29] Dave Yeah, and kind of surprisingly so because the cover of the film would have you believe

[00:15:38] that it's sort of a 1A1B, right? With Peter Weller. He is. I mean he's the closest thing to the

[00:15:49] next biggest actor and with screen time and everything. But it's interesting how

[00:15:55] maybe infrequently their paths cross. Like a lot of the stuff they do is without each other.

[00:16:02] And then when they do get together, it's usually pretty comically cartoonish.

[00:16:08] Dave It's a mayhem. I was trying to describe this film. I was like,

[00:16:12] it's like an episode of LA Law with a Jackie Chan movie peppered in at times.

[00:16:20] Dave Yeah, it's an interesting one. And I mean, it's a lot of genres.

[00:16:26] Dave Right. So it's kind of fitting into our

[00:16:34] Felonies and Fugazes crime series here. But it really almost is a courtroom drama

[00:16:43] with the movie Scarface. Overlaid with the movie Scarface, overlaid with the movie Heat,

[00:16:56] overlaid with a bunch of Jackie Chan action sequences. It's got some heavy saxophone

[00:17:06] when the love story is coming in. Dave Yeah, well yeah. I mean it's a great

[00:17:13] everything. The sax is definitely there so you get a little lethal weapon.

[00:17:17] Dave Sure, yeah that's right.

[00:17:20] Dave I mean the movie assumes you know a lot of things.

[00:17:29] Like the relationship between these two characters, like it just assumes you would just know

[00:17:35] that there's this lawyer who really wants to be a tenor sax player.

[00:17:45] But he got into law because he was convinced that he wasn't really going to make a living

[00:17:50] playing tenor sax. Dave His father and his family thought he was a loser.

[00:17:57] Because you're never going to make any money playing tenor sax.

[00:18:01] Dave But like he never feels quite himself like he does when he's playing tenor sax.

[00:18:06] Dave He can just play forever. That's what he wants to do.

[00:18:10] But that is not the New York he's living in. The New York he's living in is not going

[00:18:15] to reward him for playing the tenor sax. Dave No and he doesn't play it at all in this

[00:18:20] movie which really shows how distant he is from his passion. And then he just sort of

[00:18:28] knows Samuel Elliot's character and knows that he sleeps in a movie theater. Lives

[00:18:38] in a movie theater brushing his teeth in a movie theater with baking soda.

[00:18:44] Dave I was going to ask you about that. So this guy, this is the Elliot character named Richie.

[00:18:51] He's a cop and at least a pretty successful cop at least because he's not wearing

[00:18:58] street blues. He's wearing blue jeans. Dave It's very important to know the blue jeans.

[00:19:04] Dave That's right.

[00:19:05] Dave Which by the way this movie internationally is known as blue jean cop.

[00:19:09] Dave I saw that. He's from Texas so he's kind of an outsider to the force.

[00:19:17] And you know he goes and fishes in the East River on his off hours. I don't know where

[00:19:24] he's going to cook these fish because he lives in a movie theater. So…

[00:19:28] Dave Right. You just throw that in there with the popcorn if you get a chance.

[00:19:32] Dave Fish corn?

[00:19:36] Dave That's right.

[00:19:40] Dave He invented popcorn shrimp essentially.

[00:19:43] Dave Do the fish come out of the East River already cooked?

[00:19:46] Dave Yeah I mean I can't imagine what he's fishing for is edible to begin with.

[00:19:52] Dave So he does what I will do and that is I will fall asleep during the action sequence.

[00:20:00] I don't know what it is about these movies that like you think it was like the lull you

[00:20:06] know when it's really quiet and pondering I would fall asleep. But it's usually like if there's

[00:20:13] four or five punches in a row I'm out like a light. And I guess this guy is sleeping to

[00:20:21] an action sequence in one of the directors previous movies.

[00:20:24] Dave The exterminator right?

[00:20:27] Dave The exterminator. But he's sleeping through an action sequence. I like that. That's

[00:20:34] me. That's exactly what I'm going to do in a movie theater. But he seems to live there.

[00:20:38] Dave At least temporarily.

[00:20:42] Dave And I'm just assuming like he decided he wanted to be a cop in New York City for

[00:20:49] some reason and you know maybe he didn't fit in in Texas. I don't know. For all I know

[00:20:55] he was a bad cop in Texas and he thought I need to go to New York where everyone's a bad

[00:21:00] cop. Then he gets there and maybe rent is too high? Do you think?

[00:21:05] Dave Oh when he's in New York yeah I mean.

[00:21:11] Dave He gets the New York City, he gets the job as the corrupt police officer.

[00:21:17] The rent is just too high.

[00:21:19] Dave Well my understanding is that he's in a relationship and he's on the outs right now.

[00:21:25] That's as Roland comes in and tells him you know I forget exactly the names. It's so so said if

[00:21:32] you're willing to you know you can go back. You're willing to own up to it. And then he's

[00:21:39] like it's what you get to look forward to because he's you know because Roland's engaged

[00:21:44] and so Richie Marx is letting Roland know that you know this is his fate if he decides to get

[00:21:50] Terry.

[00:21:50] Dave So I've got a little something I want to play you and I think you're going to like this a lot.

[00:21:58] Rain like hell that day. I had an umbrella.

[00:22:04] Moving back to her apartment she went to the bathroom. I sat on the couch.

[00:22:11] She had this great big damn dog. The dog had a ball. I threw it.

[00:22:20] The dog brought it back. I threw it again harder.

[00:22:24] I'll never forget the sound of that dog's paws on the newly waxed floors.

[00:22:33] How was I supposed to know she left the window open?

[00:22:39] The dog fell 13 stories landed on top of the parked car.

[00:22:45] I went over leaned out the window looked down threw up and left.

[00:22:49] Left.

[00:22:54] Without ever telling her she was the one.

[00:22:56] Dave It's an amazing it's an amazing sequence to really think about in Departs. For one it's

[00:23:00] like it was their first date and he was going to tell her she was the one so maybe maybe

[00:23:05] maybe he dodged a bullet right I mean also she's pooping right I mean like she's got it

[00:23:10] she's gone for a long time I mean she's they go in she goes to the bathroom he makes it

[00:23:15] very clear that's where she is and then he's on the couch he plays fetch twice a dog going

[00:23:21] down 13 stories is no I mean takes a takes a little bit and he gets up and grows up and

[00:23:31] I would have loved it if at that point if he would still was just like in an alternate

[00:23:34] universe he's like you know what dog be damned I'm gonna let her know she's the

[00:23:38] one even with little chunder and mustache. Dave So I like to think of this from the

[00:23:44] woman's perspective they meet at Shakespeare. Dave She's telling a very different story by the way.

[00:23:49] Dave She meets him at Shakespeare in the park he says he's a lawyer.

[00:23:57] Dave Right.

[00:23:58] Dave It's raining.

[00:23:59] Dave Already off to a good start lying to her.

[00:24:01] Dave For some reason everyone loves lawyers in this town so he goes back they go back to

[00:24:09] her apartment she goes into the bathroom for maybe it's a little while but it's not going

[00:24:15] to seem as long to her right. Dave Sure.

[00:24:18] Dave She's got to just get done what she needs to get done she comes out there's barf

[00:24:25] all over her floor the lawyer's gone the window's open and she looks down and sees her dog

[00:24:35] splattered on a parked car. This is a pretty bad first date for her and she's probably wondering

[00:24:41] like what did I do? Dave

[00:24:43] She's like I thought I was the one if only he would have verbalized it.

[00:24:48] Dave What did I do wrong to deserve this kind of response I thought he liked me.

[00:24:56] Dave So good so and I love it because this is like

[00:25:02] the stories are being told in the midst of a lot of really interesting stuff.

[00:25:11] There's all kinds of activity going on and again I'm like how do these guys know each other?

[00:25:23] I mean because they just he picks them up at the movie theater just so like

[00:25:26] matter of fact like all right well it's time to get my down on his luck cop friend around

[00:25:32] and who knows maybe we'll get in the shoot them up on a motorcycle.

[00:25:40] Dave So they're in a bar and I think that they're trying to trade stories about like

[00:25:44] how the world's a hard place right? Dave Right yeah one guy says I wish

[00:25:48] I could play saxophone more and the other one's like I killed a dog and it's like

[00:25:53] all right well I mean we're peeling back some layers.

[00:25:57] Dave Later in this movie they're going to come face to face with the shocker from Spider-Man.

[00:26:06] He literally shocks people to death like there's some horrible stuff going on in New York City.

[00:26:11] Dave In New York's wild.

[00:26:13] Dave The cops are dirty, there's crack on every corner,

[00:26:18] even you know you can't even get a place to rent, you gotta sleep in the movie theater.

[00:26:24] This guy is haunted by the dog that went out the window.

[00:26:29] Dave Yeah and the big of it is like really the biggest regret is not telling her she was

[00:26:34] the one. See I think the dog is up there higher for me like there's a woman I just met

[00:26:41] that I didn't get a chance to say I was really smitten with but there's also a

[00:26:44] dog I just met that I killed.

[00:26:46] Dave I love the detail about the barf.

[00:26:51] Dave Yeah the barf is great I mean the cadence of that story is you learn so much about this

[00:26:57] individual in that little story and like this is the kind of scene that would be deleted in

[00:27:04] many other like action crime dramas but this one I'm like forget it you build the whole movie

[00:27:09] around this. I could watch those if the movie was just Boilermakers with Elliot I mean I'm in.

[00:27:18] Dave So you would think that the movie.

[00:27:27] Dave We spent a lot of time talking about this one sequence in this movie and this movie is

[00:27:31] bonkers all the way around it.

[00:27:32] Dave I want to ask you because I feel like I would have liked this movie if it had more

[00:27:40] Sam Elliot in it but Peter Weller is pretty impressive in this movie and I almost I want

[00:27:48] to ask you this question do you think that he's too good of an actor for this movie?

[00:27:53] Dave Well that's okay so yeah so Peter Weller is an interesting case too right so like we

[00:27:59] just talked about you know Sam Elliot and what you know what he what he brings and you know

[00:28:07] maybe not often a leading man but always adds a certain gravitas and a certain something right

[00:28:17] and but then you got you have Peter Weller who has kind of an odd little filmography himself

[00:28:24] right I mean he's he's he's buckaroo bonsai and he he shows up in a lot of kind of odd

[00:28:37] odd flicks sometimes they tend to be a little bit more you know maybe feels a more artsy at

[00:28:43] times but then other times like kind of schlocky so it's like he seems like he's he's a guy

[00:28:49] that like is often asked maybe to to elevate something that might otherwise be maybe not

[00:28:59] taken as seriously perhaps.

[00:29:00] Dave You mean the same with the RoboCop?

[00:29:03] Dave Well RoboCop what what they smartly they do with RoboCop is like you know even

[00:29:09] though there was all this talk about like oh do we get Schwarzenegger do we get somebody

[00:29:12] big like that taking kind of like Weller can do the everyday man kind of thing right he

[00:29:19] can kind of be your average Joe but still adding a sense of elegance to the performance

[00:29:27] like in RoboCop I mean he has you know he's kind of this charming off-shucks cop in a way

[00:29:33] in the beginning like not like cheesily done but it just like I find it in a movie where

[00:29:38] he's so um like there's so little of him as a full human in it he does a lot with those

[00:29:45] scenes I think like he makes I've always found Murphy to be very sympathetic and

[00:29:53] Dave Yeah I was impressed by that performance in that movie I was because I I I think I'm

[00:30:01] kind of a late to the Weller party I don't think I really appreciated him but what

[00:30:08] he did with RoboCop which was otherwise a you know pretty standard action movie you know with

[00:30:16] big action set pieces and outlandish scenes uh the the villains in the movie are over the

[00:30:24] top and then you've got this really interesting subtle performance by Weller

[00:30:30] and I almost feel like that might be the same thing in this movie

[00:30:36] yeah there's um I was actually pretty impressed yeah because I've only seen this movie once I

[00:30:42] think like close to when it first came out and um but it always stuck with me like a lot of

[00:30:46] the scenes stuck with me so it was it was kind of a nice surprise to revisit it and realize

[00:30:50] wow the scenes that stuck with me were I was always surprised when they showed up because the

[00:30:55] movie doesn't present itself like this kind of movie that's going to have um death by roller

[00:31:00] coaster uh it doesn't you know where Sam Elliott instead of going down the stairs he jumps on

[00:31:06] like a light pole that then falls down onto a bus and then he jumps on to a motorcycle with

[00:31:12] the sidecar to knock them off and at that same time Peter Weller who took the stairs

[00:31:21] shows up right there and gets on the back of the motorcycle Sam Elliott does not like the

[00:31:27] stairs he does not he doesn't mind going upstairs he just doesn't ever want to go down a flight of

[00:31:33] stairs apparently he would rather take the storm drain and destroy property on the way down

[00:31:43] unbelievable it was so it's such a but that scene just like as it goes from like everything

[00:31:48] just seems like sort of like I'm kind of into it I mean there's there's definitely an

[00:31:51] interesting directing style that feels a little it's hard to describe like there's a it feels

[00:31:58] like a throwback in many ways like it does feel like if you told me this movie was made

[00:32:01] in the 70s you know and there's a certain grittiness to the direction style early on

[00:32:06] and especially the dynamic between um you know the uh crack dealer and the police and um

[00:32:15] and so I kind of like oh I'm kind of digging in for something here and then and

[00:32:18] then it's like oh then there's this very odd bust of this underground very high-end crack den

[00:32:30] well there's a lot of stuff going down in that and you need grenades grenades to get in yeah well

[00:32:37] yellow grenades I like the uh I like the trope with um you know the trunk opens

[00:32:43] and who's ever responsible for the weapon recess do you see anything you like

[00:32:48] yeah yeah Richie says Richie just looks at the array of possible weapons uh he takes two grenades

[00:32:59] two bright yellow grenades yeah bright yellow grenades really interesting all right so that

[00:33:05] is in the same movie that has this scene of course not I already said I wasn't there but

[00:33:10] it's obvious what happened no I submit to you that it is not obvious what happened

[00:33:14] it is not obvious but it is fair to say that you assumed what happened because you were not

[00:33:19] there officer Varelai and you did not see what happened right I already said that right and

[00:33:24] your assumption was was that Patrick O'Leary in the middle of a narcotics arrest was shot

[00:33:29] by Michael Jones but since you were not there you could assume anything you could assume

[00:33:34] as a matter of fact and maybe Patrick O'Leary shot himself or maybe you could assume

[00:33:38] because you were not there that Patrick O'Leary did not identify himself as a police officer

[00:33:43] because his badge was not out and you could assume officer Varelai that Patrick O'Leary

[00:33:48] pulled his gun out first and shot Michael Jones planning to kill him and steal his money

[00:33:53] in his dress could you assume that oh shit Mr Dalton you will please approach the bench

[00:34:00] so this is a courtroom drama yeah there's actually several scenes that are actually kind

[00:34:05] of gripping and it's actually like they're almost going for something close to realism

[00:34:12] in the courtroom drama it's like he's a pretty good courtroom lawyer and he's trying to submit

[00:34:18] evidence and then of course but you know he's bringing the evidence too late to the party

[00:34:24] for some reason the street crane that attaches itself to the taxi that wow that covers him

[00:34:33] over the courthouse and then drops him on the step of the courthouse like that's not over the

[00:34:39] top but as soon as he goes in the courthouse the judge is like we're not going to submit this

[00:34:44] this is ridiculous that's what's that's okay that's why i think this movie is pretty

[00:34:49] pretty freaking amazing right it it'll go from like i said you know it goes from the verdict

[00:34:54] to you know like super cop yeah and and then back to the verdict again like you know he

[00:35:00] goes he wants to he there's this big tip about this evidence right there's this whole scene where

[00:35:06] where sam elliot's character gets tipped off by like kind of a scared uh you know um on the beat

[00:35:11] cop right yeah and tells him hey no there's evidence that can that can will show you know

[00:35:16] that uh you know the the cop is dirty on the take or whatever there's this whole thing

[00:35:21] right so finds out about it and he goes and peter weller goes to get it and the cops

[00:35:27] because they're all they're all against him even if they're not necessarily on the take which some

[00:35:31] clearly are he's also defending what they see as a cop killer right so so he's he's like you

[00:35:38] know he's public enemy number one and in a police precinct yeah so he tries to break in

[00:35:44] they catch well so they and then they torture him and play russian roulette with his forehead

[00:35:51] right and then they decide okay well we're just gonna we're just gonna kill him we're

[00:35:55] just gonna kill him right here in the precinct until samuel elliot is told where he is by the

[00:36:01] guy who wants to kill him he he busts in he shoots the cops yeah then he jumps in a cab

[00:36:10] peter weller jumps in a cab the cab driver knows his constitution he loves america so

[00:36:18] he's gonna get that he's gonna get a little wacky wacky immigrant trope he's gonna get the lawyer

[00:36:25] to the court on time there's a car chase that ends with a construction crane that lifts the cab

[00:36:33] over the crowd drops it onto the courtroom steps he runs in and the judge is like

[00:36:40] no we're not gonna submit this into evidence it's too late let's hear your closing arguments

[00:36:45] that whole entire sequence that included a crane just happening to hit the windshield

[00:36:54] of a taxi and then instead of being like oops this is a real problem lifts him up over the

[00:37:00] police barricade so that he can now have some sort of safety by being on the courthouse

[00:37:06] steps which i'm not i don't know the law real well but i didn't know that if a police

[00:37:12] officer has a gun to somebody after getting craned over a police barricade after a

[00:37:19] police chase that a judge can say you have you know you're in charge of the law on the streets

[00:37:26] but on these courthouse steps i am the law and then i'll have my wacky bailiff

[00:37:33] keep an eye on this massive team of crooked cops and the other part of it is i'm like

[00:37:39] well he's not even on the steps he's still like you know a good like block away so i'm not really

[00:37:46] sure but and i watched that scene over and over again and i was like how and who was the crane

[00:37:51] guy working with it like oh no that was an accident i like to think that that was the

[00:37:55] cousin of the cab driver maybe like i mean it's a crazy sequence and it's the it's this

[00:38:02] massively orchestrated sequence that at the end like that starts from him getting the tip off about

[00:38:11] the the the tape to trying to get the tape to stealing the tape to getting beat up and getting

[00:38:18] ready to be killed to getting craned over a police barricade only to find out that like

[00:38:23] well that was for nothing it's for nothing because that tape was submitted improperly into

[00:38:30] evidence so this is the same movie the same movie that just used a crane to get him to the court

[00:38:36] on time that movie has the sensibility to say no there's you know there are rules where we're

[00:38:43] and that's and i think and i think what it is is this goes to show this movie is is

[00:38:48] showing you look we have a judicial system it may not be perfect but it is set up by a set of

[00:38:54] rules right it is set up by this set of rules and then you try to follow these rules and then

[00:38:59] sometimes those rules get in the way of justice being served but out there on the streets

[00:39:04] it's mayhem out there on the streets you know what they're you're looking for order well

[00:39:09] well good luck sometimes you need a a serendipitous crane to get through life but

[00:39:15] you can't plan for it you can't adjust for it you just have to react to it so ultimately

[00:39:21] this whole movie is uh is the two the two ways you can play tenor sax right you can play

[00:39:28] it note for note and you can be polished you may not be the lead in a band but you definitely

[00:39:34] will probably have a nice little backing uh role however if you want to really play tenor sax

[00:39:41] you got to be willing to play jazz you got to be willing to hit those off notes you got

[00:39:45] to be willing to improvise you got to be that's why what we see is we see look he wants

[00:39:51] to get into the insurance game because that's safer that's tenor sax played note by note

[00:39:57] this man is jazz baby and that's the world he needs to live in sam elliot weaponizes a roller

[00:40:05] coaster right as a guy with a knife comes at him and runs away he decides he's going to

[00:40:13] immediately get on top of a roof he's not going to chase him directly he's gonna get

[00:40:18] on top of our roof at coney island he likes his heights man he likes his height and go

[00:40:24] up a roller coaster break the engine of the roller coaster so that the guy

[00:40:32] that the roller coaster flies off of the tracks

[00:40:37] is this film trying to tell me something about like the system being corrupt

[00:40:43] because at the end of the day nothing really changes like like a couple bad guys get blown

[00:40:49] up in a plane right yeah and sam elliot almost causes 9-eleven that's nuts man that ending

[00:41:02] sequence if you were to watch the first 30 minutes of this movie right yeah and then

[00:41:06] you watch the last five minutes of this movie you're like what happened how did we get here

[00:41:14] it's crazy first first 30 minutes we got we've got uh dirty cops we've got um courtroom stuff

[00:41:23] and then the last sequence sam elliot is hanging on the landing gear of a private jet over

[00:41:30] the city of new york shooting it while he's hanging on it and they almost hit one of the

[00:41:36] the world trade centers but they narrowly averted and then he takes a one of his

[00:41:41] golden grenades that he never leaves the house the whole time i guess so i don't know if he

[00:41:48] keistered that grenade but he throws that in there jumps into into the the water and they

[00:41:55] land and explode it's it's it's i don't know if this movie is so funny like i watched it

[00:42:02] and then i went back and i watched several scenes over and over and over again that one

[00:42:06] being one of them the uh the dog story for sure um all right and uh but it never refers back it's

[00:42:16] like he just like like peter weller's not like wow that was crazy i can't believe that just

[00:42:21] happened to me it's like well gotta go to court and cheat on my fiance i guess so all right

[00:42:27] most of the time with crime dramas it'll be some commentary on like the cops have to become

[00:42:35] monsters to fight the monsters on the street or it's hey cops robbers not that different at

[00:42:43] the end of the day or hey these criminals have honor and maybe they even have more honor than

[00:42:49] the police officers or maybe it's like look how dark the system is look how how fundamentally

[00:42:56] corrupt this entire system is uh let's put a spotlight on this so we can see exactly how

[00:43:03] bad things are this movie does none of that what this movie does is no time for that it plays with

[00:43:11] this idea of like a good cop amidst the sea of bad cops but even then the good cop from texas

[00:43:18] he's a pretty bad cop too like he steals the bad cop's portion he steals the bad

[00:43:27] just cuz he's got he's got a clean gun that he can threaten criminals with oh yeah and tell

[00:43:34] him he's gonna throw him in the east river file it under dsaf that's right doing society a favor

[00:43:41] the lawyer the idealistic lawyer he doesn't really take down the cops like like this

[00:43:50] like all these cops are on the take they're all corrupt but that doesn't get exposed he it

[00:43:55] does not get exposed it this movie ends with a grenade and the great grenade the grenade blows

[00:44:02] up the bright yellow grenade blows up this private chat and the movie's over and and what it where

[00:44:10] it ends is not like hey we took down this this corrupt system it's like no you get to be a

[00:44:16] public defender again the big win is that his fiancee miscarries

[00:44:24] right that's like a huge win all right that's like a big that's a big scene i know i'm gonna

[00:44:30] play you something here like we're all gonna sit there and be like oh good people like him

[00:44:35] belong in jail i can't believe you want him out you know honey i don't necessarily want

[00:44:39] him out i just don't want him in for something he didn't do who cares if he did it if he

[00:44:43] didn't do this he damn sure did something else who gives a fuck if he's innocent well i do i give

[00:44:48] him for christ's sake this man sells death to school kids hey hey sweetie what's going on here

[00:44:56] come here now what's all this about huh is this some kind of panic that i'm gonna take

[00:45:02] a left turn on your dad's offer about his law firm i don't know maybe yeah i just don't

[00:45:09] understand your fascination with all this hey it's all in your mind i'll call about the

[00:45:16] apartment i promise i'll call them all all right okay and you love me right i love you a lot

[00:45:26] okay so here's my thesis about this movie this is not a movie about a corrupt system it's not

[00:45:31] a movie about dirty cops it's not even a courtroom drummer really this is like a

[00:45:37] lot of other 80s movies that's that are preoccupied with what money will do to the soul of a man

[00:45:47] an otherwise good man there's so many movies in the 80s where it's like this guy he could be a

[00:45:53] good guy but he's chasing the money he's gonna lose his soul chasing the money he's otherwise

[00:45:58] idealistic he he likes jimmy hendrix right so he made very clear as he makes his little

[00:46:05] homemade orange julius yeah he's not as racist as all of the other lawyers and cops and whatever

[00:46:12] he likes a funky tie man he likes a funky tie but a girl broke his heart and after that he's

[00:46:19] he's he's kind of lost his direction and what he's done is he's latched himself on

[00:46:26] to a wealthy girl who has a wealthy father and he's gonna get in on some kind of

[00:46:33] he's gonna get on the american dream the american dream he's gonna he's gonna be a big partner at

[00:46:39] a law firm he's going to chase money because his heart is broken what ends up happening is

[00:46:48] that oh that girl that old flame comes back into his life and he gets his his bearings

[00:46:54] again and he decides i don't need the money i'm actually good at public defending and that is

[00:47:01] what i'm going to do with my life and that's sort of like the indicator at the end

[00:47:05] it's like oh she was faking the pregnancy forget that i am absolutely going to go back to public

[00:47:13] defending the corrupt system is going to remain corrupt but at least this one honest lawyer in

[00:47:20] new york city gets to embrace the idealism of the law again and i think you could say that

[00:47:29] about a lot of 80s movies there's there's something about this this worry that we've

[00:47:36] lost the ideals of the 60s and 70s and the 80s are all about money it's all about materialism

[00:47:44] and we need our hero to learn that at the end of the movie yeah i mean there is definitely

[00:47:50] that right like he returns back to from whence he came and it's you know it's very bookended

[00:47:57] um a scene where he's you know he's he's back in in the trenches yeah going to see another client

[00:48:05] and and that is juxtaposed with the lavish uh you know uh dinner setting where i guess

[00:48:12] where they were gonna be talking engagement stuff i think is what it was right and

[00:48:15] where she reveals either the either was a miscarriage or the pregnancy was a fake but

[00:48:20] whatever the case is she says the rabbit didn't die um and so either but she announces that that

[00:48:28] i think she announced that she lost the baby right because like because it's because i think

[00:48:32] both are like i think one is a lot right that maybe she just told him that she just told him

[00:48:36] that she was never pregnant in the first place because she even said she said i didn't want to

[00:48:39] lose you yeah so she was she wasn't she was gonna trap so then she tells the you know she

[00:48:44] so rather than say that she tells everybody that they lost the baby and then so he's

[00:48:47] looking around and he's like well dude i'm out and so like he basically gets up to make an announcement

[00:48:51] like during this whole thing so from their perspective she just announced that they lost

[00:48:55] the baby and he's like yeah i'm leaving you i mean that's that's a wild dinner party dude

[00:49:04] that's like that's like getting that's like thinking you're on a roller coaster and then

[00:49:08] it just launches off and kills you but what do you think about my thesis that this is

[00:49:14] pretty typical to 80s movies that it's like it has to have some kind of commentary on

[00:49:20] the financial state of the country well i think and yes and i think you're absolutely right and i

[00:49:25] think you uh you hit the nail on the head too when you specified a man losing his soul right

[00:49:32] a man because it is the female characters in this movie are not um they're not strong

[00:49:39] they are not i mean they're okay one his old flame is the assistant da but

[00:49:44] they have this whole like argument out because like he hasn't he won't he hasn't told his fiance

[00:49:51] about wanting to leave her and all this stuff and then so basically she gives him some big

[00:49:55] lecture that's like all about him it's all about hey you have to do what you have like

[00:50:02] she doesn't even she's nothing really in this in this conversation it's not about how she

[00:50:06] feels about how she's being treated it's all about like him like he becomes the center

[00:50:12] point of even her life and him doing the right thing for him is really important and then so we

[00:50:18] get the other painted picture of this fiance who you know the the though i mean okay we find out

[00:50:24] she doesn't know who jimmy hendricks is so that's weird and then um and then she then

[00:50:29] she fakes a pregnancy uh and then they have that that scene that you just played where like

[00:50:34] she's not wrong from like a moral standpoint like she is with a guy that is going to

[00:50:40] understands the idea of a public defender like what right which is also a weird thing because

[00:50:45] you're gonna you're gonna marry him and you don't know what he does and but i mean so like

[00:50:49] so her reaction to this was like an it could have been like a real nice learning moment

[00:50:54] for the two of them right where they can say is this really are we are we compatible

[00:50:57] knowing that this is my job at least at this moment and and you may see that this is i'm

[00:51:04] setting a uh you know a villainous person free based on the technicalities of law and then it just

[00:51:10] sort of gives her one of these you're being hysterical moments you know are you just

[00:51:17] are you just or maybe you're just upset because you don't think that i'm going to take that

[00:51:21] job from your dad is that what this is really about and then she and then she's written to

[00:51:24] just play right along with it well maybe on that's all in your mind man and that's all in

[00:51:31] and that's where well but well or like i this is going back to what you're talking about with

[00:51:35] weller i think weller can take a material that might be a little questionable and just

[00:51:40] he's pretty earnest about the characters he plays and i think so is a little bit into it

[00:51:44] i think he's too good for this movie i think he's i think it's actually a pretty legitimately

[00:51:50] great acting performance in this movie well and so you say he's too good for this movie

[00:51:55] i think i think it's a blessing because this is a movie that like if you don't have a weller

[00:52:03] performance well first off sam elliot also i mean sam elliot's not necessarily playing off type

[00:52:09] but like if you had cast any other two people in this that were maybe like b grade or whatever

[00:52:15] no one no one cares you know what i mean i think maybe we've already solved this i think

[00:52:20] that early on we discovered that this is really like four different genres of movie put together

[00:52:27] right i think that at least one of the movies that this that this filmmaker is trying to make

[00:52:33] is really helped by peter weller well i think i could have watched all four of these movies

[00:52:40] right um because i i think peter weller and sort of as like sort of a rag tag you know uh

[00:52:48] rock and roll type uh lawyer is is interesting i thought it was interesting i actually liked his

[00:52:54] performance in the courtroom quite a bit i found it to be authentic i love it when he was

[00:52:58] like completely disheveled and still just nailing it you know i mean i really like that

[00:53:03] um i like uh the sort of this i'd like sam watching a sam elliot as like a good cop but not

[00:53:10] necessarily a pure cop uh you know working amongst the sea of mulleted bad cops i uh

[00:53:17] oh no he's not a good cop he's but he's not on the tape he's not on the tape but he's

[00:53:21] absolutely a bad cop because being from texas he doesn't understand the concept of a skyrise

[00:53:28] is because being on the 13th floor he doesn't quite get that you can't play fetch with the

[00:53:36] dog when the window's open right there's a lot of things about heights he clearly doesn't

[00:53:40] understand right like i mean he hangs onto a plane flying through the air you know no i

[00:53:45] like he just i don't think he understands he might have depth perception issues right

[00:53:53] and so his mustache is obstructing his vision that's what it is there's another movie

[00:53:59] i want to watch though where it's just peter weller and and sam elliot on motorcycle shooting

[00:54:04] i mean it's crazy like what is their relationship because at the end of the courtroom situation

[00:54:09] right like he gets up they get the you know the guy gets found innocent of of of being

[00:54:15] a murdering a cop necessarily and uh and then it's like okay great and then he just books

[00:54:21] it out of there and then sam elliot's waiting for him with with the porche that he stole from

[00:54:25] uh the cop that was killed and it's like you want to drive or you want to shoot i'm like

[00:54:28] you're the cop why does the lawyer have the option why are you waiting for him anyway what is he

[00:54:37] he's the whole that whole sequence it's so it's so great where he's just like man i hope he reps

[00:54:43] up his trial soon i just found out like no go get him you ever waited for anybody in court or

[00:54:50] for any kind of proceeding you don't know when it's gonna end and he's just all he's

[00:54:56] you want to drive or you want to shoot i don't let the cop shoot in texas the lawyers drive

[00:55:03] or shoot they don't do both that's amazing i just it's a state law and there's so many other

[00:55:08] ways that i felt like they could have stopped them from flying i don't know all right let's

[00:55:14] let's move on to the is there one tweak that you would make to this movie to improve it um

[00:55:20] um it's well i think the easy tweak would just be like you know pick pick a lane right that's not

[00:55:27] like a slight tweak but um i think i would want a little more i mean honestly the i loved the

[00:55:34] whole crane sequence but like even just a voiceover at one point going i can't stop this crane

[00:55:42] because it did take me a long time i'm like is the crane guy in on this

[00:55:46] and and then there's a oh no it's just he's really really bad at his job how many how many

[00:55:54] cabs has he picked up that day right it's just tuesday it's only been four cabs i mean i and

[00:56:02] maybe a little more sam elliot maybe i think would i think more sam elliot for sure i was

[00:56:06] gonna say this movie is a little bit uh like one good white guy in the midst of a lot of

[00:56:12] racists and this is sort of we're supposed to read his lack of racism as oh well he's a nice guy

[00:56:20] and then at the end you know because of course the the dirty cop hates rap music right right

[00:56:27] and then immediately which by the way was red hot chili peppers okay so let's all settle down

[00:56:31] and then immediately we go to weathers apartment where he's making a shake wait

[00:56:37] no it's like a smoothie or something yeah like orange julia is a little bit of instant

[00:56:42] folgers it was like milk orange juice egg and maxwell house oh yeah maxwell house yeah

[00:56:50] good yeah so again i'm not sure how good this guy is but he likes jimmy hendrix he's even

[00:56:56] got like a jimmy hendrix poster so you're thinking oh well he's not racist because he

[00:57:00] can't be racist of course he likes exactly jimmy hendrix right but then at the end of the

[00:57:05] movie they try to show that he's morally superior to his client stand up and face me like

[00:57:13] there's a bit little bit of white superiority in this at the end so i i feel like you didn't

[00:57:20] need that and it almost like if you're gonna make everyone in this movie dirty then do that

[00:57:28] but don't try to make this one guy like this is the one non-racist guy in all of new

[00:57:33] york city yeah i mean i guess you know i mean from from the racism perspective sure

[00:57:39] he is i mean he is a guy that spends a good chunk of this movie cheating on his fiance

[00:57:44] so in terms of his fiance is pretty bad in terms of heart of gold yeah but he doesn't know

[00:57:50] he think is he doesn't know she's faking the pregnancy in fact he thinks she's pregnant while

[00:57:55] he's still actively cheating so i mean let's keep that in mind i mean keep in mind he's

[00:58:01] probably just engaged to her for the money anyway right so also maybe not good which i

[00:58:07] think is good i think it's good to have have some flawed main characters but it does seem

[00:58:11] a little inconsistent in how they're they're trying to portray him i think so i think so

[00:58:15] because i think i think i think the way that the movie is designed and this might be going

[00:58:20] back to some of the maybe the the latent you know misogyny that's in it or maybe not latent

[00:58:25] but you know apparent is um is that like we're supposed i think be okay with the fact that

[00:58:34] he's with his infidelity because um well that's his that's his old flame right because he's

[00:58:41] and yeah and and it's ultimately what we are supposed to believe is best for him so kind

[00:58:47] of consequences be damned um because he's the center of this universe well we don't want to

[00:58:55] see him marry for money right right i guess so is there a trope a cliche or a device that you

[00:59:04] enjoyed in this film sam aliott's mustache does he not have a house i was re-watching a few

[00:59:12] scenes uh roadhouse and it looks like he's not wearing the mustache in roadhouse it's

[00:59:17] just not as prominent it's for sure there i've seen him without his mustache it's it's

[00:59:21] it's unsettling is this movie better words are on par with a ron howard movie this is probably

[00:59:28] the toughest question and i'll tell you why uh because i think ron howard makes a more cohesive

[00:59:37] film and probably leans way more into the courtroom drama and maybe some of the um

[00:59:44] relationship issues but i don't get a roller coaster and i don't get um a near 9-eleven

[00:59:55] um so it's it's a real tough one because of the of the four movies i think two of them are

[01:00:05] a maybe three of them are a howard minus four but there's one that's a howard uh plus three

[01:00:12] you know yeah i gotta say this is a howard negative three i think howard howard pixelane

[01:00:22] it's interesting like i think what was howard's first what was his film debut

[01:00:26] directorial debut it was the one with winkler and and michael keaton with night shift night

[01:00:32] shift that's a lot you know sort of uh new york city i mean they're corrupt corners

[01:00:39] and pimps sure um but it is kind of like that uh wacky after dark new york movie so we know he

[01:00:48] can do something along those lines right but uh yeah but you know pickling what what's his

[01:00:56] grittiest movie howard's grittiest movie that's because i don't know if he really does gritty

[01:01:04] that's a great question because i mean i'm looking at it i mean is it backdraft you know i mean

[01:01:12] ransom perhaps you know what maybe ransom in a way but you know night shift the back corners

[01:01:22] turned pimps there's prostitutes i mean that's pretty good in terms of like it's a gritty

[01:01:27] gritty comedy yeah so the thing is is that i don't i don't know we have a real good uh

[01:01:33] you know grit comparison i think night shift is analogous at least well then this movie is

[01:01:41] better than night shift so then i'm gonna go i'm gonna stand by it's a mixed bag

[01:01:47] because i mean now if you give me henry winkler killing somebody on a merry-go-round

[01:01:51] in night shift i'm not gonna talk is there a um one to grow on half the battle moment

[01:02:00] in this film uh you know stick with the sax follow your dreams i was gonna say you can't

[01:02:12] trust anyone who's ever fallen in love with the saxophone let's just be honest if there's one to

[01:02:18] grow on if you're at someone's apartment for the first time check for open windows especially

[01:02:25] they're gonna play catch with their dog through it harder like he doesn't know the layout of

[01:02:30] this apartment at all how about close your windows when it's raining if it's good you're

[01:02:34] already react true thank you yeah you're risking you're already risking knocking over a blender by

[01:02:38] throwing it harder into a room you're not aware of what's going on a little bit of feedback

[01:02:44] for you steve all righty this was not sent to our regular email account which is cocoons

[01:02:52] of horror at gmail.com um but i got an email and it has some really nice things to say about you

[01:03:03] steve um those are some of my favorites yeah this is from jj he says unironically when

[01:03:11] steve really gets impressed is there anyone who can incisively encapsulate what unique

[01:03:18] unnoticed element caught his attention why and how it does this more brilliantly or passionately

[01:03:25] better than he does i don't think so people that are funny are inevitably brilliant hey

[01:03:32] wow uh so i think that's a really nice really nice email is this me is this me trying to

[01:03:40] wax poetic about howard the duck it must be but i like this and i wanted to call this

[01:03:46] out because i think that in general when we get reviews or emails uh that compliment you they

[01:03:53] really kind of focus on your sense of humor which is not a you know you're a stand-up comedian

[01:04:00] you probably do care about that uh maybe more than most but i think that this person has

[01:04:09] said something true about you i don't think that this podcast works unless you're bringing

[01:04:17] to something to the table intellectually and um i i agree with this guy and that is all i have

[01:04:25] to say about that well that's interesting because you on my end you completely cut out

[01:04:32] well i was just saying a lot of really nice things and you'll never hear them

[01:04:36] since you do not listen to this podcast you'll never hear what i just said

[01:04:40] this one i may actually tune into it because you've got a great teaser

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