Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Star Wars film festival where the lore hounds your support goes a long way we'll talk more about it at the end of the pod. All right David we've done this podcast six times now. And I love that about this movie. And that's why it's such a fantastic movie. So before I say anything else, let's just give a quick spoiler warning. We're gonna talk about everything Star Wars

[00:03:01] that has ever come out, anything's fair game.

[00:03:04] If you are sensitive to spoilers

[00:03:06] and don't want anything to be spoiled, So that's exciting. There's a lot of chatter about that on the Discord. And we've got dates for all of the episodes. I just want to double check. What do we got? We have 15 episodes, I guess? 15 episodes. Yeah, starting February 21st and ending May 1st. I guess that's reasonable for an animated show.

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[00:04:26] which is a great old title. Well

[00:06:43] window and Grogu movie that was sort of. Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:44] Kind of smelled like desperation on the part of Lucas Studios.

[00:06:49] I don't know what's going on there.

[00:06:51] I don't know because they, it does seem like they're trying to have Filoni wrap up the

[00:06:56] Mandoverse and some big bang, which is fine.

[00:06:59] One thing is I think that the Kevin Feige one has been completely canceled.

[00:07:05] There's there's a, they keep canceling everything.

[00:07:08] Yes. completely irrelevant. But Virata Sethu, who played Sinta on Andor, you know, one of the gang on, what's that planet? Oh, man. We're really doing our best here tonight. I know. We're really doing our best. I know, Farax. I know. Oh, boy, we're struggling.

[00:08:21] Wait, we can't. Okay. This cannot be- The a scholar. Now just, just go ahead, go ahead. Give me the news. Lieutenant Colonel Matt Cavanaugh is going to be joining us for an interview to talk about Rogue One and all things military related to the Star Wars universe.

[00:09:40] I heard Lieutenant Colonel Cavanaugh on, orders, you know, the rebellion and all that kind of stuff. And so I think it'll be a really exciting conversation to have him on on the podcast. I mean, he's basically written two books

[00:11:01] which are so parallel into the kinds of things that we do where

[00:12:05] I'm trying to remember seeing it, I'm pretty sure we saw it in the theater and I don't have a distinct memory of it. All as I do have is a distinct memory of I

[00:12:14] love this movie, it is my favorite Star Wars movie, and it has flaws and there

[00:12:22] are things that it could be, it could plot holes. But none of the plot holes take away from my absolute adoration of this movie

[00:13:43] because it does something that from my Star Wars is this kind of stuff. So yeah. for the story. Right. And the lore and the world building. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's why I think that for me, I'd actually place Empire and Revenge of the Sith above this movie in my Star Wars ranking system. But I think this is either three or four. If I tell you what wrote it down, Gareth Edwards, you know, movie. And I just don't know what it would have been if it went one way or the other. I think we know that probably Tony Gilroy's handling of it would have been very good if he were able to handle the whole thing.

[00:17:40] I just don't know what it would have been

[00:17:42] with Witte and Edwards the whole time.

[00:17:44] I will say this having recently covered really fascinating world building. And so I kind of feel like maybe that's what we would have gotten in Rogue One with some dark stuff that had some thin story and beautiful visuals. But that's speculation on my part. That's totally speculation. And I'm with you. I don't think we should get into Bad batch is better than ever. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, the animation looks great. I'm really looking forward to season three. So yeah, I think it just goes to the problem in the studio. How many, it was 4 billion that Disney bought Lucas for? I don't know. Yeah, so there's pressure there to return on value.

[00:20:21] And I don't know, I think it's just, it's all messed up.

[00:20:25] I've been thinking about it a decent amount lately of that.

[00:20:28] And even the video game industry, survival game that was in development. A lot of things that have been in development and it's not just Microsoft. We saw Embracer Group cancel a Deus Ex game. There's a ton of cancellations of games happening right now, same as with Star Wars movies. And I think that part of it is just they announce things to appease shareholders and superiors and they had no intention of making it to begin with. Like maybe if it really takes

[00:21:42] off we'll put it on screen. But it six months in advance. Right, right. That's all you need to do. Well, or follow through, you know, actually. But let. I understand not being able to follow through, right? Like I understand that not every idea that gets kicked around can come to fruition. Sure, yeah, no, that's for sure. But when you do choose something, you know, see it through.

[00:23:03] I think for me, and I've talked,

[00:23:05] I've ranted about this before,

[00:23:06] I don't wanna Gary Whitt, we actually had a Twitter exchange at some point. I was trying to get him to come on the pod, but it didn't work out. But he does a lot of gaming podcasting over on the Kind of Funny Network. And he's been a video game writer for a long time.

[00:24:20] He's a screenwriter and an author of novels.

[00:24:24] So he's a cool guy.

[00:25:26] So this was also, I should mention, the first Star Wars movie that had digital recreations of real people. Right.

[00:25:27] They had Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher.

[00:25:29] That's right.

[00:25:30] And Carrie Fisher was alive at the time, so it felt less weird, I think.

[00:25:34] In fact, I remember she did an interview at the time where they had shown her the footage before it went out.

[00:25:40] And she said, oh, I thought this was B footage from Of Me in, you know, in 57.

[00:25:46] She thought it was actual footage of her, so she was fooled. Star Wars universe and we'll talk sort of about our favorite scenes. Shortly before episode four of New Hope, Jyn Erso, the long lost daughter of the Death Star's architect Galen Erso, teams up with a group of rebels led by Cassian Andor to find her father and discover the weakness of the Empire's super weapon. When the rebels accidentally killed Galen in an air raid and refused to help Jyn, Cassian

[00:27:03] decides to be a rogue one and bring a band of rebels to successfully recover the plans in terms of McGuffin-Hunts and stories about families and broken families that get reused. They're done so well here characters by the end Yeah, and the first one was a video game. It was it was Halo reach it was And I don't want to spoil it too much because it's probably gonna be the plot of season two of Halo but essentially, you know everyone you love dies in that game and it's really brutal and the last level of it is just

[00:29:43] You have to fight until you die and you will die like that's just it which I guess we can call it quote unquote a planet. Well, Bonnie, Yavin 4, Jeddah, Edo, and Scarif. That's a lot of the place. Yeah, they're all over the place. Planet hopping for Star Wars. And I think some people, I've heard some mild kvetching about, oh, it's a lot to take in. But this is a really big universe, right?

[00:31:03] It's literally a ginormous galaxy.

[00:31:07] Yeah. But because these people needed to go hunt him down, kill his wife, leave his child for dead, he hated the empire so much. He was ready to leave them alone the rest of his life. He would have just died in peace. Because they tortured him so much and they tried to take a grip on his family and control

[00:32:21] him, he put in this fatal flaw.

[00:32:23] Revenge.

[00:32:24] And he created, yeah, an outlet, a method not have any, uh, any sympathy for, um, Krennic. But still the way he, he tries to undermine him at every time makes it so that there are more weaknesses, right? It makes it so that there are vulnerabilities because Krennic is now trying to go behind his back. It's really interesting that you point out the fact

[00:34:43] unless you're radicalized in some way. And the death of Mira and the loss of his daughter,

[00:34:50] radicalize him to the degree that he could do that

[00:34:53] and actually pull that off.

[00:34:55] It's a really interesting insight.

[00:34:56] I hadn't thought about that before.

[00:34:57] And I really like that.

[00:34:59] So, let's just talk about it.

[00:35:01] This is a retcon, right?

[00:35:02] This is explaining something that was previously

[00:35:06] left up for open interpretation. I have the distinct impression that one of Lucas's original concepts for the 77 movie, long before it blossomed out into this much bigger world, but embedded in the core story at that time,

[00:36:20] was that this whole, the whole conceit of the movie is technology versus standpoint, I don't think Rogue One undermines A New Hope. But I do, I don't wonder, and I'm just curious to what your thoughts are of what it does with that original idea that Lucas has, though, about technology versus the human spirit. Does that in any way degrade the idea of the movie, of the 77 movie for you?

[00:37:41] No, no, I don't think so.

[00:37:43] Seamlessly connect up.

[00:38:43] and you needed to have somebody really, really good for this.

[00:38:47] And you can have both people be necessary, right? It can be a conjunctive solution, not an either or.

[00:38:52] Sure, but that's all in the realm of the plot of the story.

[00:38:55] And I agree that it works.

[00:38:58] I was trying to drive more at like, what was Lucas's original intent with the

[00:39:03] movie and what was he saying mistake? What was the dumbest decision in all of Star Wars and somebody said let it go There's no life forms on there or hold your fire There's no life forms and you know people were actually debating was it because they didn't want to do the paperwork What was what was this thing? Was this a bureaucracy?

[00:40:24] Working. Oh, we don't want to questions that Gis asked is like, why didn't they shoot that pod? And there's apparently somewhere else something that's written maybe in one of the books about where the Empire, or is it from the book? I only caught this just briefly before we got on

[00:41:41] the microphone. But it's basically that the gun. We didn't know. He didn't know what was going on. Look, if you're reading Tolkien, sure. Go dig up the answer. Ask us. We'll dig up the answer for you. If you're watching Star Wars, there are many authors of Star Wars throughout the years, some of its comments, some of it's not. There's not going to be a satisfying answer to a lot of questions and that's okay.

[00:43:03] What else do we want to talk about?

[00:44:02] versus what we had thought. And I just wanted to touch on this thing.

[00:44:03] The trailer for this movie,

[00:44:06] that to me is almost a movie in and of itself.

[00:44:08] So that's one of the things that I love most about this movie

[00:44:11] is just the trailer.

[00:44:12] Cause that movie I was really excited to see.

[00:44:15] We didn't get exactly what they had in the trailer.

[00:44:17] That's okay.

[00:44:18] It's almost like two different little things.

[00:44:20] But of all of the, of everything that happens in Rogue One

[00:44:24] for all of what is produced out to forget, I told myself it was for a cause that I believed in, a cause that was worth it. Without that, we're lost. Everything we've done would have been for nothing. I couldn't face myself if I gave up now. None of us could. Woo. It's a great monologue.

[00:45:40] Emotional.

[00:45:41] It is so good. military stuff, you know, they're, they're disobeying orders, they're, they're gambling, they're going for it, they see a tactical advantage, and, and they risk it all. And I think for me, the way that the scenes are edited together, the way that the space battle is a huge,

[00:47:02] huge, huge gamble. I mean, the, it's one thing to send maybe one U-wing

[00:47:04] in a handful of storytelling. You can say what you want about the rest of the story. I think right there in that bit is what makes this movie for me. I feel almost like a little bit of a broken record here. I keep going around the same thing. That's all right. You know what?

[00:48:20] I think that Star Wars is best when you talk about it in big ideas and rather than going

[00:48:24] nitty gritty.

[00:48:25] But unless you're doing a TV show, She's like, I'm just worried I'm going to cut the stray bullet over there, buddy. And K2SO trying to walk them through and pretend that he's Imperial. Like, you're going to scan me. Great, great stuff. By the way, K2SO, I didn't realize until I was just on Wikipedia, but is played by Alan Tudyk.

[00:49:41] Yeah, who?

[00:49:42] Tudyk, who I absolutely love.

[00:49:45] He is in Arrested Development as.

[00:50:43] think so. I mean, lightsaber is our technology, right? So this is a thought that I had too when watching the film recently and something that you've

[00:50:51] made mention of that you're excited to see and I think was one of our let downs for the

[00:50:57] Ahsoka series was force sensitive rather than-called, which is anybody could use the force if you really need it and will it enough. I can't imagine Shiroot not being able to bend anything by the end of this movie. That's, that's what kind of disappoints me. Right. Is if it is this day, you sex Machina, then who gets to use it and why?

[00:52:22] Right. Right. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not sure. Yeah.

[00:52:26] I there's always been this idea open it up like, oh, the force is available for anyone kind of thing. Well, I didn't get that from the movie. I thought it was more for me, the last Jedi stood for, maybe it's time that we let the Jedi way go because the Jedi way was pretty toxic and sure helped lead

[00:53:43] to the rise of the Sith.

[00:53:44] Right.

[00:53:45] But anyway, but anyway, same kind of bit, same kind of bit there. I do of those phases is a different set of complex, there's a different set of circumstances. And in some cases, a leader is good in one set of circumstances, but not in other groups. Kind of a Moses principle, right? Like Moses brought them through the wilderness,

[00:56:22] but wasn't able to get through to the promised land.

[00:56:24] Yeah, God said, no, not you.

[00:56:26] Which is a little bit slightly different, that. So I think she's better there, but man, I think, and this is related to what we're talking about already, but this is where I was going next. Anyway, I think the main thing I take away from this movie and rebels and all these, all these various things is it is easy to unite people under the common cause of getting rid of the villain. Yep.

[00:57:41] It is extremely hard to keep those people together after the fact.

[00:57:46] This is what I'm saying about my Mothma. Yep, exactly. Yep. Totally. is to something that they weren't necessarily strategically or tactically prepared to fight. Did they really have the resources to do a toe-to-toe battle like that? They lost a lot of ships. Isn't that a line that I can't remember his name, but the senator who really hated Hera, isn't that a line that he said to her at one point? This isn't a rebellion anymore.

[00:59:00] You can't just go off with your ship somewhere.

[00:59:02] Right, exactly, which is what they do.

[00:59:05] They just go, nope, we're out of here.

[00:59:07] And that's how we get Rogue One. this in real life to write with between political parties. You know, if you have one party really unified and you have a big tent party on the other side, it's really hard for the big tent to unite on things because they don't agree about a lot of things. Saw Guerra in the same room as Mon Mothma is very uncomfortable. Right. And you even have Luthin lift off.

[01:00:21] We have this faction and this faction and this faction.

[01:00:24] They hate each other.

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:26] He can't keep everybody together.

[01:00:27] It's not an easy problem. I'm not saying I have the solution, but I think that that's what makes this movie so good and that's what makes Andor so good is that it raises these questions. I want to bring it back quickly around to, to this question of the empire.

[01:01:44] Something that struck me in this latest rewatch that the scale that the empire is operating at just must be huge, ginormous for Tarkin to go, nope, take him out. Like just wipe this problem, just end of story, we're just going to wipe this problem from the board. We've got other things to deal with.

[01:03:01] Yeah. There was another thing that I wanted to bring in from rebels because

[01:04:07] thing that is strategic in that it strikes fear in the hearts of everyone. And it's a giant boot heel that you can move around to dominate, which is, yeah, it gets taken out

[01:04:15] and then boop. Well, there goes that idea, right? That's like, I'm sure there's some

[01:04:20] sort of battleship references. I think there was, who was it? Somebody had a, I think it was in

[01:04:25] World War I, a German battleship or like, fan service-y, right idea though that, and this is something that I've complained a lot about when watching the animated stuff is that it's so fan servicey.

[01:07:00] It's so member Barry heavy, but we had tons of it in this movie, but

[01:07:05] it never got in the way for me.

[01:07:06] So I'm not sure what that says. And we're back.

[01:08:20] Alright, we've got a lot of feedback.

[01:08:22] As a reminder, you can send feedback to StarWars at TheLoreHounds.com. Hey guys, just wanted to give a quick take on Rogue One, as well as past ones can be. But Rogue One, I think that it's one of the handful of Star Wars movies that really actually has something it really wants to say. Whereas I think most of the Star Wars movies are big, popcorn fun, I think that Rogue One is trying to give us a message of trying to really be, have a point to its story.

[01:09:43] It's trying to say that, I think part of the key reason looking forward that there is a lot of stuff that if Disney would decide to just double down on worrying about storytelling first and foremost, their properties would be a lot better and I think Rogue One is a perfect example of just letting the story be the story.

[01:11:00] Don't worry about, it has to connect to everything.

[01:11:03] Because that's the biggest problem I think with Rogue One is the fact that we had to

[01:11:06] shove Darth Vader in there. Michael's take here on this that Rogue One comes in with a point of view, which is Jyn's story and also Cassian's story, which is, you know, living for something that's greater than yourself. She starts for what Arc Jyn does have.

[01:12:22] Her turn is very quick and there's a lot of criticism lore building work and you know we're getting into the story of stuff. 77 certainly has a singular message in that way.

[01:13:41] Empire, I don't know, I've never thought of all of the movies in this way and I

[01:13:45] certainly can't think of how the all the best Vader stuff in all of Star Wars? It's very good. It's very good. I mean, I do love him menacing, I almost said Pat Mejia, with the torture device. Right, well, that's when he's got her against Tarkin there, right, your rebel spy.

[01:15:01] Yeah, love it, love it.

[01:15:03] And I love him in the interrogation chamber with her.

[01:15:05] I think that's great, Vader. right? And this big dude with a cape shows up and he starts force choking you and throwing people around and throwing boxes around or whatever. That's terrifying. Most people in the universe have not experienced the force, have not seen an actual force user. They might have heard of the Jedi or seen one walking down a street one day, but Discord server, he's one of the mods. Really appreciate all your work and we appreciate that you called in today. Hey lorehounds, Aaron Kay here. I sadly missed the Rogue One live watch the other day, but I have some brief thoughts on the movie. Rogue One often gets labeled as the best Star Wars film of the Disney era and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it is the best Star Wars film, period.

[01:17:43] Certainly my favorite Star Wars film.

[01:17:45] I think that the spiritual aspects of the Rogue One pod Yeah, that's such a great point is this is really the we talked about it a little bit earlier, but this is really where this light force sensitivity Shines and I wish we got more of that in Ahsoka, but we still have Rogue One. They can't take that away from us and

[01:19:02] I think it's a pretty

[01:19:04] Well, what is is Aaron case saying the best Star Wars period? Right. And it's going to have all Tony Gilroy. Yeah. Yeah. There's a consistency across of it. Yeah. Right. And it's like I said, it's a shame we can't get that with Jenna or so because her character development really begins at the beginning of this movie, right? She didn't care. She didn't look up before this movie. So we can't get that ever. Right. Yeah. And it's almost the storyline gets almost a little bit muddled with the daddy daughter story versus the who

[01:20:24] cares if the empire is running the story to get the plans. I don't think I don't really think about it lessening anything. And the end with Vader was amazing and showed how powerful he is and how the rebels succeeded against so many odds. And now with and or we get to see more backstory into this era of the rebellion.

[01:21:41] Yeah, I'm I'm with Rocky Zim here.

[01:21:43] I think that this is a yes and thing.

[01:21:46] You know, this is this is you need.

[01:22:45] And then she finds out he's actually been working undercover to do something heroic. She latches onto that immediately.

[01:22:46] She's like, I have to make my dad's legacy mean something.

[01:22:50] Mm hmm.

[01:22:51] Right.

[01:22:52] And that's that's one of the biggest things here.

[01:22:54] And so I don't know if I completely agree with that.

[01:22:56] But I do think that this is a, you know, quote unquote smaller person, right?

[01:23:00] Compared to Luke Skywalker.

[01:23:02] Luke Skywalker is the one who's going to get his policy experts that helped him prepare. There's the translator, there's all these people that allow this to happen. There's all these people that really worked to make things happen. You talk about the Paris Climate Accords.

[01:24:20] That happened because teams of scientists were meeting

[01:24:24] to decide how to best combat climate change.

[01:24:26] And the leaders came in and we can use the chat feature. And like Marilyn just said, there's no talking heads or other voices, you know, getting in the way of the movie but we can all chat and have fun and point out different things as we go along in the movie. So we're gonna do a live watch for a new hope in February.

[01:25:41] We haven't picked our date yet,

[01:25:42] but typically we've been doing them on Saturdays.

[01:25:46] I don't know, I loved the look on Cassian's face and I particularly appreciated the look, the use of a character, Cherub, who was clearly not a Jedi and yet was so one with the Force that he had an incredible ability to fight even though he was blind. I'd

[01:27:03] like to see more of that kind of Force usage for equal in a way and intimacy, even if it's not romantic, just like, this is a really good friend and this is somebody I have a lot of affection and feelings towards. There's the scene in Anjeta that Marilyn points out where they're running around and he looks at how good

[01:28:22] of a fighter she is and he's just like, damn, right?

[01:28:25] He's really taken with her and then their embrace part of our story arc. I certainly feel like the way that they left it, it would be weird for us to not run into them in some way, shape, or form in the early stages of Andor. B2emo is going to fall in love with R2D2. That's what's gonna happen. Stop it. Marilyn continues, most of all, I was really struck this time

[01:29:41] by viewing by the number of you catastrophes?

[01:29:46] Yes, now I think David will have more to say about this. Yes, David did have more to say about this. Yeah, so the idea that the, what would typically undo the story or the characters is actually the momentum that carries them forward and

[01:31:03] Jin even calls it out. She says, we'll take the next chance and when that runs

[01:31:06] out we'll take the next chance and when we take the end then we'll take the next and taking a win to another win to another win, where this is a failure to a failure to a failure that ultimately results in getting the Death Star plans. Right. Interesting. I like that a lot. I like it a lot. Cool framework. Hey, there's this guy, Tolkien. You might've heard of him. I may be going through his letters. There's a new episode coming out next week.

[01:32:20] Isn't that exciting?

[01:32:21] Oh, fantastic.

[01:32:23] You know what we should do?

[01:32:24] We should put the, you catastrophe,

[01:32:26] oh, I can't say it now.

[01:32:27] We should put that in the show notes.

[01:32:29] Okay. all of the incredible force use we saw from the two protectors of the wills. Without them, there would have been no success. So yes, I would say that both films demonstrate the need for effective force users and technology did not in any way diminish or replace that. Without the built-in flaw, there was no way to destroy the Death Star

[01:33:40] without Luke's force abilities.

[01:33:41] No way to use the built-in flaw.

[01:33:44] Thanks for a great entertaining evening, Marilyn.

[01:33:48] Yeah, so I agree with that. to take my youngest back to uni meant my stamina was flagged. My stamina just flagged. Sorry. I can't handle these British isms. I'm sure a great time was had by all as it is one of my favorites. I was of course compelled to share my thoughts, especially on how the film not

[01:35:00] only pays homage to the original trilogy, but also cars its unique identity within

[01:35:05] the wider star Wars universe.

[01:36:03] And even with all the issues around production, et cetera, it has a big place in my Star Wars fandom.

[01:36:07] This is a common theme that,

[01:36:11] depending, you know, you can take Rogue One apart

[01:36:16] and there are definite plot holes

[01:36:18] and flaws in the construction,

[01:36:21] but I don't, there's not a single person I've heard

[01:36:25] who does that that then says,tellers, including Lucas himself. Yeah, I think Stu and I are of that generation where we would catch these films on TV and they brings a raw visceral energy to Rogue One and leans into his visual style, character beats probably being the joints added by Tony Gilroy. His experience in Gorilla filmmaking is evident in the intimate ground level shots that for me were reminiscent of Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers. These rebels felt like

[01:39:03] the soldiers or commandos on a doomed mission and having Gilroy most likely focus on character driven than life portrayal of Godzilla, emphasizing the David versus Goliath theme that's central to the film's narrative. There's a great scene when Bayes fires a shoulder-fired rocket at the head of the

[01:40:22] walker as it's coming out, and it does. It really does feel like a monster bearing down on you,

[01:41:23] actively work together like, you know, Gilroy was brought in, apparently, and I don't know how much, you know, was Garrett

[01:41:26] out after a certain point. But given all of that messiness

[01:41:31] going on that we did get as good a film as we did, that's that's

[01:41:34] saying something for both the directors. So no shade on on

[01:41:37] either side, I think.

[01:41:39] Right. All right, cool. Yeah, I think for me, again, I'm much

[01:41:44] more of a storytelling guy than I am brilliance. No. High praise. I just love, love, love this movie and can see why Lucasfilm greenlit Andor as Gilroy just got the characters and nailed it. Long live the Rebellion, Stu.

[01:43:01] David, that's such a nice note to close on.

[01:43:04] It is.

[01:43:05] I don't think we can add much more. that your support goes out to supporting all of us and making sure that we have all the tools, uh, pay for the website and the domain and the software that we need. And so it really makes a difference to us to, to have material supporters. The, one of the benefits that you get now is, uh, something we call the show tracker,

[01:44:22] which is this cool database thing that we've made that tracks all kinds of with everybody. As well, we have the detective's journal for our True Detective coverage. I'm putting together all my notes of clues and Easter eggs and character guides from True Detective season four and putting that all online for folks. And that's again, another exclusive benefit. So the last thing I'll say is come and go as you need, you know, not everybody's

[01:45:42] finances are the same. And so if you want to get together with some other people. Life is kind of crazy right now. So having an online coffee shop, if you will, this is kind of that opportunity, that third place you can come and hang out. So gonna do a four person week to week breakdown. Steve and Anthony did a full season one breakdown. It's already out in the special feed. There's a link in the show note for that feed. You can go on there and get all those episodes now and then we're just waiting for season two.

[01:48:20] We'll Shift Dust, that's Alicia's channel.

[01:48:23] Alicia does a lot of work with us on the MCU

[01:48:26] and other things. Plenty of theory crafting in the discord join us for that Brandon and I are gonna be talking about Final Fantasy 7 remake in February We're about to record that even though we've moved the podcast recording date about six times now It's going to happen soon. And so get your feedback into if you want to chat about that You have a few more days to do that We're gonna be moving on to a new hope in February with the Star Wars stuff

[01:49:43] Earthsea is coming back in February still meridian stories

[01:50:46] Also shoutout every episode, they are Samarshan, Mark H, Michael G, Michelle E, David W, Brian P, Nick W, SC, Peter OH, Bettina W, Adam S, Nancy M, Duve 71, Brian8063, who's a Doonadan,

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