EDIT: This is a reposting as there was an error with the initial audio file upload. Specifically, the Pre-Season dsicussion was uploaded by accident.
David is joined by Ian and Deneé from The Captain's Pod for a mid-season check-in on Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, covering episodes one through five. The conversation explores what's working halfway through the season: the show's balancing act between honoring Trek's 60-year legacy and telling genuinely new stories, the ensemble writing that refuses to let Caleb become the sole gravitational centre, and the radical optimism of Captain Kitty as a model of what Starfleet leadership could mean in 2026. Ian and Deneé also share how The Captain's Pod's three-things format is deepening the viewing experience.
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey everyone, David here with a little audio correction.
00:04 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually uploaded the pre-season conversation I had with Ian at today from the captain's pod.
00:10 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I've deleted that now and I'm re-uploading the correct file with this little intro.
00:15 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully you weren't too confused and we've got the right audio file in the queue now.
00:21 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So apologies for that.
00:23 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And let's join that conversation with Ian and Danay
00:30 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, great.
00:39 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready.
00:40 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But I missed your Gremlin thing so can you do that again?
00:46 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I should be some kind of a Star Trek monster.
00:49 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You should build that.
00:51 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You should build that.
00:52 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we put a little horn on your head?
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
00:54 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Or more accurately, like the lady chin fuzz.
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Just a triple.
00:59 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just a triple from the bottom lip down.
01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Lady triving.
01:02 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_02]: In what episode was it that it was the salt monster?
01:06 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The in the, that's the, that's, a fittingly called the mammoth trap.
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
01:12 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: that was the monster that scared me the most from original series interesting the big suction thing yeah it was that horrible yeah fish weird eye thing so that was back when the monster masks didn't move very much either right so it was just the sort of frozen oh face oh mine no face not that kind of face no
01:53 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey everybody, David from the Laura Hounds here and with me are Captain Ian and Ambassador today.
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
02:01 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
02:02 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_02]: What other, are we in an alternate dimensions, or are you guys are we in the Delta Quadrant like what Quadrant are we, or we're in Missouri, that's another Quadrant.
02:31 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_02]: your guy's is coverage the way that you're doing it now with the three things changes and just the whole thing of it just being just you guys and it's not part of a larger enterprise sorry I don't mean to use that word but yes, you did.
02:47 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but not enterprise you know anyway but the
02:52 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: your coverage is doing the kinds of things that I want to companion podcasts to do.
02:59 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yay!
02:59 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yay!
02:59 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's deepening my knowledge.
03:01 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's expanding my appreciation.
03:03 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a learning meek to things that I missed or was an odd and think about that, you know, making certain kinds of connections.
03:12 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And on paper,
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I should hate Starfleet Academy.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all the new track stuff.
03:20 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, with you.
03:21 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the floating camera that never stops moving, drives me crazy and the slick design and the captains, quarters that have fireplaces in them.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, just all just drives me crazy.
03:37 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But damn it, this show is charming to pay, it's off me.
03:40 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I had all of the precautions going into Starfleet Academy, but I also was going to Star Trek with an open mind, because a change about the, what's that?
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think change the times are coming.
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it time?
03:56 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Time's there are a change in time?
03:57 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: One of those things.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you mean that.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my law.
04:01 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No way.
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: My law is what I actually mean.
04:03 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But all the mistakes fit it.
04:05 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Fist a cloud.
04:05 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: She takes Festa walk or I'm right with you.
04:10 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot help but really have a great time with Academy.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Deney, where are you at?
04:16 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm really enjoying it.
04:18 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
04:19 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_04]: But I really enjoy the modern Star Trek storytelling.
04:22 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not because it started with strange new worlds, which is not modern Star Trek.
04:28 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like pre-T and G Star Trek technically, but it's modern story telling.
04:33 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what I'm really liking, because when I watch TNG, which is like the next generation, Captain Picard, that whole crew,
04:41 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_04]: The storytelling of the 90s is just such a different experience than the storytelling that we're seeing in something like Academy.
04:48 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And personally, I really like it.
04:51 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm learning things like, you know, Star Trek has done different kinds of shows and they have sort of a different vibe in each show.
04:57 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And for me, Academy is really fresh and so I'm enjoying it.
05:01 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: and she takes for anybody that doesn't know.
05:03 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the kind of, you don't see my scary air quotes, the kind of trick expert that's seen a lot and today is much newer to Star Trek.
05:12 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's definitely going to have a different background when it comes to how we appreciate and how it's controversial, things about beloved characters regularly.
05:23 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I have absolutely slammed
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_04]: some beloved characters.
05:27 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I shouldn't have said that.
05:30 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no.
05:31 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I made it.
05:32 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It should.
05:34 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And you've come around.
05:35 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
05:35 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
05:38 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So on your new format, newly formatted show, you're doing the what three things sort of format, which I really like.
05:49 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Cause, you know, there's a couple of different ways that you can take episodes apart and you can do the scene by scene, which requires a lot of prep.
05:56 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to, you know, capture each scene and make your notes forward and write little synopsies for them.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of work.
06:03 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you can do the more flowy conversation and where things go.
06:07 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And somewhere in between there is the, what, you know, pick three things and then discuss them.
06:11 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that ends up getting you to a lot of interesting places and a lot of, uh, flowing conversation, rather than detailed picking apart conversations.
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they're just different, right?
06:20 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They're, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: relative to what kind of show you're covering.
06:24 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_02]: They both work excellently and I really like the way that you're doing it for this show.
06:31 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought what we could do episode six should have dropped by now.
06:36 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it has indeed.
06:38 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:38 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you guys watched it yet?
06:39 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't watched it yet.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
06:42 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So we are appropriately midseason.
06:45 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess we've all seen up to five.
06:48 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to spoil everything that we've seen for Starfleet Academy up through episode five now.
06:53 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would invite each of you to pick your three things and then we'll ping-bong and I'll sort of ask you some questions and we'll sort of get into any, any, any could be the little things.
07:05 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be the big things and it could be the things that you don't appreciate as much.
07:16 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_04]: We've never said that before.
07:18 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's original rights.
07:20 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we have.
07:21 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We must have.
07:21 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You must have.
07:22 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You must have.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was good.
07:26 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, what is your, what is one thing for, for you about the show that is really present and and a, a pulling your attention about the show.
07:37 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stay firmly in my lane and just say that the way I am being serviced as a fan has finally found a balance that I really, really enjoy and we you can go all over the place with this.
07:52 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You can ignore everything that has come before.
07:55 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: which is an undertaking with the 60 years that we have of Star Trek, and you can go over the top and perhaps do a little bit too much on a leisure way, Star Trek, and cards season 3.
08:06 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is fine, everything is fine, it's okay.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is fine all the way along that spectrum.
08:11 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: what I really enjoy about how Starfleet Academy is doing it is that it's really acknowledging a lot of the history but then using it to tell a specific story and the best example of this is with the most recent episode a series activation note which is following Sam the hologram as she or actually I don't know how the hologram identifies I think they do identify as she
08:37 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I think so, but as Ashira kind of works out, what it is to be an emissary and comparing that to the other most famous emissary and Star Trek history, the Cisco, Captain Benjamin Cisco, and it didn't fall into, let's do an episode of Deep Space Nine, and let's just barage you with a ton of things.
08:59 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It honored the legacy of Star Trek, I'm sorry, of Star Trek Dingspace 9, and of Cisco specifically.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And then added to it.
09:10 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just a remember what happened.
09:13 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a hay part too.
09:15 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just a ball of member berries.
09:17 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was hedged in.
09:19 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:19 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the continuations of this story.
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't even a resolution.
09:24 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't here's how this story ended.
09:25 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It was here's the next step.
09:28 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: is what I realized I really want from from a lot of Star Trek, like I want a continuation of a lot of stuff that was picked up in TNG and I want to see overall where the universe is going and this just stuff like Academy seems to be doing that without getting buried in nostalgia, like it really is it feels like that next step for what Star Trek could be.
09:51 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're not being definitive about these things.
09:54 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, they didn't close the door on Cisco or Jake Cisco, you know, the his son's character or the em, you know, they left it open and then they gave us a bigger opening with DAX and moving things forward.
10:09 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Or there's just all these questions about cardassians and clean-ons, like how these two folks get together and they're,
10:18 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_02]: they're answering, sorry, for what few questions are answering, they're asking a lot more questions and leaving space for us to really run and yeah.
10:30 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like the questions that I would be asking as well, like it feels like we're on the same page, which is really exciting.
10:35 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:35 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you appreciate Shark Lofton's A Prince on the show?
10:42 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, something that was...
10:43 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was really well handled.
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's about the only way you can do it.
10:46 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: holograms can be a bit of a cop-out.
10:48 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You can just bring back anybody at any age.
10:51 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Doctor.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But, sir, it got an impact.
10:54 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That was.
10:54 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was pitch perfect.
10:56 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And tying it into Anselom as well.
10:58 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: For where you deep track nerds was.
11:01 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:02 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:02 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect way to do it.
11:03 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: and the book and then giving him his own agency within the space of the Cisco mythology was really great.
11:10 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And in this idea that mythology can be this living thing and this thing that we can use to interrogate where we are today.
11:21 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So...
11:23 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: and then the way that they just unfolded the story with Sam and all the blips and the bloops on the screens and the silly college humor stuff and then it just micks it zippered together really nicely in a very unexpected way yep my great and and Jaden's skirt was totally cute and I'm sure this is the grown-ups were like freaking the f out about that
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was amazing.
11:47 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, what?
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
11:49 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It was awesome.
11:51 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Deney, what's something that's pulling your attention for Starfleet Academy?
11:57 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of like this idea that the writers are really okay with
12:03 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: taking Starfleet, taking Star Trek and saying something like, hmm, what does this look like this far in the future?
12:10 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And then playing with ideas of characters, or like interspecies relationships, and then putting these new things on screen that are visually familiar, like we're visually familiar with the Klingon, but what about a Klingon that is,
12:23 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_04]: attempting to find their strength as a battle, uh, ready, individual, but battling through words instead of actual violence and physical violence.
12:35 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: So they're really comfortable with like playing with the different characters and one of my favorites is who I call Captain Kitty.
12:41 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
12:42 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Now.
12:43 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually genuinely do know that I don't know the character's name, so he and we'll have to tell him.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you can do it.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do it.
12:51 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This is classic today.
12:52 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you give me a letter?
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the circle of life.
13:01 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Nola?
13:01 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
13:02 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, shoot.
13:03 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You got it.
13:04 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You got it.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
13:06 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_04]: That was unexpected.
13:07 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually Captain Simba, sorry.
13:09 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually one of the scary things where my brain just pulled something it should not know because I call our Captain Kitty.
13:13 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So this character is one of several sort of ancient has been around for a long time when Starfleet was really this like hopeful thing or whatever, then bad crap happened, but there's characters that have been around long enough to
13:30 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_04]: be eyewitnesses and Captain Kitty is one of them and she is the person that's essentially in charge of the academy.
13:38 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm really enjoying her role specifically for many reasons.
13:44 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But what I kind of want to point out is it puts on his head like the cling on wanting to have like
13:51 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, battle with words, it puts on its head what leadership looks like, I would lead, like Captain Kitty leads.
14:01 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need to be that old to get permission to take off my shoes and sit backwards in a couch.
14:07 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have to, I shouldn't be questions if I want to curl up in the captain's chair.
14:12 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_04]: have a conversation half upside down just because it feels better for my spine.
14:16 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to do that and I've been given authority to do that and guess what, we're all going to try to get along while we do that.
14:21 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And I love her conversations.
14:24 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_04]: She is not on screen too long.
14:27 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_04]: She's not on screen too short.
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_04]: They did a clever thing.
14:30 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Episode one, she's pretty involved.
14:33 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_04]: episode two, she's still, you know, pretty involved.
14:36 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_04]: But by this point, she is that academic overseer that's giving the speeches to unite the school and remind us why the young voices are so important in a time as we are in in rebuilding Starfleet's the Academy Star Trek.
14:54 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Even Star Trek fans, you know, just this willingness like this is the future guys.
14:58 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what it
15:01 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_04]: her representation of this ideal star fleet.
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_04]: She's not very cynical.
15:05 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_04]: She's like actively investigating this next generation, what it can be like.
15:10 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_04]: She's sort of tweaking things and she's behind the scenes pulling strings and every time I'm with her, I'm like, yeah, let's have more time with her.
15:19 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_04]: She also plays with relationships with other academic leaders really well and she just has this way of building this kind of confidence that at least somebody knows what's
15:30 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_04]: whether it's electricity not working properly or there is a rivalry between the war academy and our academic academy.
15:41 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_04]: She just models this emotional intelligence from this very old-wise individual and this command of strength is really, really.
15:50 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, it's valuable as I'm
15:59 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_04]: TNG in like the 90s on screen is somehow easier to buy than optimism now watching with so much going on in our world like a real world and I still track always seems to mimic kind of like what's happening in our real world and tries to kind of give it a place to talk.
16:18 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_04]: being optimistic is kind of difficult for me personally with just so much going on.
16:24 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's just something about her optimism that seems more radical now in the modern Star Trek, then I would have found it to be like when I watched something in the 90s and there's like this optimism is it's like yeah, that we're optimistic because it was in 90s.
16:39 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Like can we actually be optimistic in 2026?
16:42 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_04]: This says yes through this character that should no better because she's seen way worse things than we can imagine and I just love this character and I think that people may be sleeping on her a little bit.
16:54 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so easy to fall into this stopia, actually in like fiction right now.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's especially in sci-fi as well.
17:00 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There is so much dystopia.
17:02 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I am really enjoying this post-apocalypse, because essentially, stuff like the Academy and the back end of Discovery are TV shows set post-apocalypse that the burn for Star Trek.
17:16 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So this optimism of the future is really refreshing.
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I really, really like it.
17:23 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So Alicia brought in a term to our discourse and the Laura Hound's sort of in general.
17:34 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: this idea of hope punk and you we have to talk with her a little bit more about the origins of it and where we're seeing it but this was in relation to a
17:54 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: podcast that she was on with one of our affiliates never mind the music and that's marked Nicole and he teaches music, she teaches psychology and they do a lot of fun stuff on their podcast around music and in psychological like it's like two college professors talking about music and
18:14 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they had us on it various times to talk about little pet projects and the ideas I had my podcast with them.
18:20 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_02]: My episode with them was about the generational music theorem, how music leapfrogs across generations and how one generation is making music for the younger one until they start making their own music, which then gets passed down to the next one.
18:42 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: about this idea of Hope Punk and she had encountered it somewhere and she was using it in relationship to the superman movie.
18:50 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That was out last year and some music.
18:52 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That was in that.
18:54 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And we've kind of started to use it more and more on our discord.
18:59 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_02]: and talk about things, you know, is it, is that hope punk?
19:01 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that something that is, you know, hope, and I think Captain Kitty is hope punk.
19:06 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Because she's brave, you know, there's this sort of rules be damned kind of punk, you know, challenging of, uh, an established authority or way of things doing, but not in a destructive way.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_04]: No, in more of a hippie way.
19:23 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and instead of, and like you were saying, and it's not, uh, it's not doom and gloom, it's not, uh, buried deep in the apocalypse, which is a standard fair for science fiction.
19:38 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's hopeful, and I didn't think about Captain Kitty because I still don't know how to,
19:43 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: to relate to her, the whole shoes off curled up on the chair.
19:47 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_02]: See what she wants.
19:48 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's exactly what she wants.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it is subverting.
19:51 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_04]: It's very uncomfortable because it feels disrespectful.
19:54 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
19:54 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like the card and jean way to go.
19:57 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Letting people say it is 100% without a doubt disrespectful.
20:01 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not one of them, but it is like the fee off on the bridge chair.
20:07 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: How dare you?
20:08 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The captain's chair is the thing.
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It must be, ah.
20:12 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't, it's, it's a, it's a chair.
20:14 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
20:15 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and, and where the power and that where we find power is in our relationships and the way that we relate to each other.
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Not in what chair you sit in or what how many pips you have on your collar.
20:27 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's, I think part of what she's really trying to kind of go for is seeing everybody as an individual.
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Even her bringing in this Caleb character.
20:35 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Which will be my second point.
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm not skipping you Ian.
20:41 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Ian, uh, next point.
20:44 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, me, it was, it's really hard to narrow this down to three, but I want to, I want to zero in.
20:51 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I hear you squirm every week as you're trying to pack it down.
20:56 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice job.
20:57 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nice job holding you to the form.
20:59 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the hardest thing for me, because I want to talk so much about Star Trek.
21:03 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Who would have thought?
21:04 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually got a podcast at some point.
21:05 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:06 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, by my team microphone and, uh, that's a laptop.
21:10 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to, if I want to talk to somebody, it's the people that I've really understandably hesitant based on an open-intended discovery burnout.
21:22 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And because I felt it hard by the end of discovery, it kind of tripped over itself and got in its own way with these big huge
21:33 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: overarching, valid themes and valid commentaries, but I think it forgot how to be fun.
21:40 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was, it was just mild and swampy and boggy, and I think it will age pretty well, but it is it's such a, it did really, really get bogged down.
21:52 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Starfleet Academy, I feel like, has deliberately
22:00 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it's really learned from discovery and really learned to balance some fun with really, really down to Earth character development as well.
22:13 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like pretty much, once you like kind of get past the episode 1 into a definitely connected and there is this
22:27 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_00]: him joining the Academy wanting to get back to his mother, but the episode has been kind of bottle episodes where they pick a character, zero win, do a character study, and then the story progresses through them.
22:40 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So now, after just five episodes, I feel
22:44 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: more familiar with this crew, and yes, they don't have a ship necessarily, but they are a crew.
22:51 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel more familiar with that crew than I did after three years of discovery.
22:54 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, discovery lost a little bit of that, who are my people, who do I ground into, that isn't the main character?
23:02 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Academy has gone the absolute opposite direction, and almost kind of like push the main
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: all of the interesting people.
23:15 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They trick us a little bit thinking that Caleb's going to be the alpha male story.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
23:21 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead we're moving sideways through all these other characters.
23:25 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love it.
23:25 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't feel like anything is lost.
23:27 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel lost with the show of the story.
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I know what's happening.
23:31 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm enjoying each and each episode because it clearly knows what they are.
23:35 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Weird thing with Star Trek.
23:37 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You can be like, oh yeah, that's the episode
23:41 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: with that thing that happened with the candle and Beverly, I can do that with each of these episodes of Starfleet Academy and I'm just really enjoying that return to really kind of focused character studies in Star Trek.
23:56 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that I've struggled with, the most with a lot of the newer
24:06 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_02]: What are they saying?
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: What are they doing?
24:09 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me, Star Trek, next generation was a hot mess from episode to episode, right?
24:15 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: There were, you know, you have this epic epic epic episodes and then some other ones where you're just like,
24:26 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's wild because in our conversations, I'm reminded that they had to make so many episodes versus now we're like, they thought we'd get eight.
24:35 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You try making 26 hits a year, and they were, you know, they were getting a lot of fan scripts and, you know, using that way rather than having a dedicated writer's room and all that kind of stuff.
24:48 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But there was always, and when they had an episode that was dealing with something, you were like, ah, it's there, you know, it's like here's the, here's the social issue that we're struggling with in our, in our modern life.
25:02 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And I felt like I didn't make it far to discover I made it in season one and a little bit in season two.
25:10 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just felt like it was swinging for the big drama and the big space opera grand overture stuff.
25:19 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really haven't watched a lot of other new track.
25:22 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I've touched here in there and just like, I don't know what's going on.
25:28 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And this series is actually addressing in dealing with things like the original series that did.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_02]: War and peace in, you know, race relationships.
25:42 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, men and we know gender relationships.
25:47 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Just this and the courts, this is dealing with stuff that kids are dealing with today.
25:52 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_02]: with identity and your place in the world and self-expression and expectations of your parents and your performance and all of these things and it's in the Harry Potter Academy encapsulated world which I just so kind of over as well as a story-framing device but damn it!
26:14 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a story framing device for a reason, and they're working it really well.
26:22 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's a balance of, and this will depend on where you pop into the show.
26:29 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_04]: and who you're relating to, because they have the academic leaders and then they have the youth.
26:35 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And I, too, am a little bit further away from that youth vibe where I'm like, I don't want to have these conversations, okay, like, I'm just a very questionable position right now, sir.
26:44 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, hey, kids, get up to my Stanford home.
26:47 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_04]: But then you've got these really fun witty, they're just, they've got too much to deal with this kid's crap and they're gonna like be, they're gonna be that way in the hallway with them and, and those are really fun, like, quirky relationships.
27:03 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it's definitely drawing into that too.
27:07 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, today, what carry on with your number two?
27:11 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, my second point was kind of similar to what Ian was saying, but I think I would want someone to know at the halfway point a little bit more about what the show is doing in its writing to your point about being comfortable with breaking away from the one main character.
27:26 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_04]: If you just watched the first couple of episodes, you might think that this is about Caleb, and at least so far, they really have not gone back into that being the gravitational center, where everything sort of bends in towards him, and there's trauma flashbacks, and this destiny arc of this grand hero, um, this chosen one energy that I'm like, oh, what are we going to do here?
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Like who is this guy?
27:52 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_04]: but it hasn't happened so far because there is a restraint in the writing.
27:58 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a confidence in the ensemble and I'm really excited to see that and I would want somebody to know that there's a bravery there.
28:06 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Are they going to go to it in the second half?
28:08 --> 28:09 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
28:10 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're gonna set it up.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't set up a mom trauma for no reason.
28:14 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And we don't have a bad guy in it.
28:16 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna, I have a theory that very soon, we're gonna see our group of people launched into space to save the day and they have to like, space, camp, style, you know.
28:29 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_04]: That's my big prediction for the show is going, but episode to episode, there's this like,
28:40 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_04]: consistently every episode bad energy, but then all of a sudden they lean on like bro tenderness.
28:47 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you would think that he'd be like, you know, constantly like running after the women.
28:53 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And he kind of is because that's what happens.
28:55 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_04]: But then the girls are like, hey, I don't really need you to be my definition of a love story, but I do want to kiss you.
29:01 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_04]: and that's realistic and so I kind of am okay with it being there and they don't spend too too much time on it because they're not leaning into to Caleb so they're really like
29:13 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_04]: It's Starfleet Energy, it's community over like that singular heroism vibe, and it's just not the one guy show that I was really worried that it was going to be.
29:24 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's not the ecosystem, he's more the background, he's more seasoning that's kind of in different scenes, and they even have other like main brew alpha energy going with other characters and they
29:38 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_04]: they can lean into the difference parts of themselves, as you said, the identity kind of of who they are.
29:46 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And the show is not really about a mission to accomplish except for like how
29:54 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_04]: your individual barriers or something you kind of have to face and every single person can identify with that.
30:00 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember being really confident in who I was when I was a kid because I was really confident at home to be me and then you go into school and you're judged and then you develop some kind of crippling self mechanism for defending yourself and hiding away from people or however you go about it.
30:18 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: layers and layers of scar tissue that get you to the world.
30:21 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you're trying to identify by your peer group and also pair that with your home environment and then you're out of your home and then you're going to whole do a new peer environment where you don't have to actually answer to anybody and you know we've all been there before and so this is kind of pushing in on those stories a little bit so we see you know
30:46 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_04]: in leadership roles and confident in what they're doing.
30:49 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_04]: We see that with with everybody, but it's not so heavy handed that it's in your face every single episode.
30:57 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_04]: It's more like, oh, I thought this episode was going to end on some sort of weird thing, but then
31:03 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Bro dude is making your bed because because he sees you trying to make your bed and you've never done that before because there's actually like an awareness of you as an individual and that's the kind of crap.
31:16 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to see I want to see if these were my friends.
31:20 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm winning because I want to have a really crappy day and show my worst side and not realize that my
31:27 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_04]: defenses are all out because I'm not used to being an adult yet and like regulating emotions and being software whatever and I want to have people they're going to be like hey listen we all have bad days let me help you breathe like let's do that and if that's bothering people to see on TV then like okay great yeah maybe we want to see more space battles but guess what you can go to that
31:48 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_04]: you can go watch those episodes with other shows and you can see those cool things but like get uncomfortable people you know get let's let's watch what happens and like really appreciate that the academy feels real because they're making it bigger than just one character.
32:05 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_02]: There was the scene with Jayden and I forget Fish Boys.
32:10 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You call it right in the way.
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Right me.
32:13 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right me.
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, transform our boy.
32:15 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Transform our boy.
32:16 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
32:16 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Adjo name.
32:18 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Right me down.
32:19 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Right me.
32:20 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
32:20 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_02]: and he's helping Jade in the clean and cling on with the next idea to attack basically.
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:26 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Jade is like he's into it and then he pulls away and he feels uncomfortable.
32:31 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But then later he uses the technique and we see that on screen.
32:35 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a very kind of realistic portrayal of
32:41 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_02]: two men getting intimate and close, you know, an emotional intimacy, feeling one of them feeling uncomfortable and then pulling away, but still taking away from what the gift that was given in that moment.
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Not a total rejection because it was intimate.
32:58 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, one of my favorite scenes of Star Trek, it's been the last, it's real.
33:02 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many years it is an incredible, we covered it in the episode like under the anti-toxic masculinity thing because it is, it knows exactly what it's trying to do because he comes into the room and says punch me.
33:15 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: because that's what bros do, that's what men do, and then just like hard pivot into this closeness between them.
33:21 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't get a second of sexual tension.
33:24 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine if that's there as well, but it's not what the scene was about.
33:28 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Huggie Brother, like he probably needs it.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
33:33 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think maybe it's because I grew up in the 90s storytelling.
33:37 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just something that I'm really relieved to see that there's like a development that we're not just focusing on the really athletic hero Caleb, you know, that we're, it's not every episode.
33:47 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm really relieved to share that with you.
33:49 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you want to give it a watch at this point, there's really not too too much Caleb.
33:55 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, they let
34:00 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just really surprising to see what they're doing with this character.
34:03 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't spend too long in any of his diversity.
34:07 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you were only to watch one and two, you might check out and go, oh, this is, uh, I know where this is going to go.
34:14 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's, and it's not.
34:16 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
34:17 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you get to three and four, you go way off the track.
34:22 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Here's fun.
34:23 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're used to like, oh, this is what writers do.
34:25 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, great.
34:26 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's, uh, going to be the idiot now.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone's going to make fun of them.
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they're like surprised you because he does really,
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, and I'm like, Oh, okay.
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's actually like really really good at this stuff.
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But then they let him fail over here.
34:43 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just they let him be whatever he is and they don't apologize.
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's trying to true for every character.
34:50 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah.
34:51 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_04]: That was my next point, which is kind of what your point was to.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So.
34:54 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And at least they don't know, there's no mystery box in this, which I think it really benefits from.
35:01 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not constantly wondering, like one of the things that drag me card down for me was, what's the mystery?
35:06 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the mystery?
35:07 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: What are they chasing?
35:08 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: What are they getting after?
35:09 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you drag that over 10 episodes, it's exhausting unless you've got this killer mystery that keeps on delivering.
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: let's just not have it.
35:17 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just tell some stories that I don't need a mystery tearing us all the way through.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is his mum?
35:23 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's enough mystery.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool, fine.
35:25 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And what you're saying to Dene about this range of characters as we're learning about them, they're all dealing with their...
35:36 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_02]: different things they're all finding connections in different ways with each other and with the instructors that are there and there's some like mentor mentee things going on.
35:46 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But nobody is the center per se.
35:50 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even Captain Kitty.
35:53 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: She's not even the center.
35:55 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a real horizontal
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_04]: it's not a person that's the center.
36:02 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a concept of what Starfleet is supposed to be.
36:05 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the show just kind of keeps hinting through the lens and through the filter of these characters, what they're hoping it will be.
36:13 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And for me, they're really cool part is that the writers are saying, hey guys, we hope it's us, like we hope it's these kinds of people.
36:20 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_04]: which is what they've been doing this whole time.
36:22 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just man, the 60s.
36:24 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It looked really weird.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_04]: There weren't a lot of women or anybody with color.
36:28 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, well, okay.
36:29 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a couple.
36:30 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, we're, we're bolder now.
36:33 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Now we're going into men having emotions.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Why?
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to play this.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know.
36:39 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_04]: The character is the brand in this really unique way.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I kind of love it.
36:46 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: cool in a third point.
36:50 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my final point and this is my disclaimer cautionary point because I don't want to I don't want to mislead anybody or like build their hopes up too much.
37:02 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a blast but if you are ardently against discovery and really don't like this new era of Star Trek.
37:11 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There are going to be things about Academy that you don't like, like visually, it has that same discovery visual that I'm not a huge fan of Like visually, it isn't changing anything from discovery.
37:23 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks very, very similar lots of lens flare, same uniforms and load it.
37:29 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Very shiny floors, very, very dark set.
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And
37:33 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_00]: the gem-seash modernization of things will take a bit of getting used to.
37:39 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's used sparingly, but there is some of that.
37:42 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Overall, there are still the DNA of discovery inside of this, so don't go into it.
37:50 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: shocked.
37:52 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like hard.
37:52 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This kind of still feels like discovery, but I would encourage you to get deeper on it and really watch it as new star trek and new episodes of something and kind of shelves some of the discovery bias that you might have if you have it, but just don't be shocked.
38:10 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was a cautionary table that ended up into a get over it.
38:13 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's right, I don't want to trick anybody into what I can do.
38:17 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that Kurtman's fingerprints on the visual style?
38:21 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: This is still Kurtman show running leading this.
38:24 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:25 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was discovery.
38:26 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He was discovery, Picard, strange new world.
38:29 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the current show running with Michelle Paradise of the, I kind of the, whoever has the reins of Star Trek.
38:36 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle Paradise and Alex Kurtz went right now.
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
38:40 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, like I was saying before, in terms of what's on paper, it's the constantly moving cameras.
38:49 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that kills me the most, I can deal with the slick sets and the holographic touch screen, pop up, whatever.
38:55 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I can handle all of that.
38:57 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the camera work that drives the best camera nonsense.
39:00 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're not constantly being like on every single axis, all at once.
39:04 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:04 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Discovery Season 4 and 5 was, it was like they just turned the gravity plating off of any opportunity.
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just drove me nuts as well.
39:12 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm just, my eyesight's just going to encounter any more.
39:16 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I accidentally watched Episode 2 before I watched Episode 1.
39:22 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You told me this?
39:23 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even take you so much.
39:26 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was listening to your podcast and I was like, what do you fully are they talking to you?
39:31 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: These people are insane.
39:33 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, oh, and then everybody was like, oh, episode one was great.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It had all the fields.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was sort of, you know, the kind of reboot stuff that I want.
39:41 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I went back and I watched episode one and I hated it.
39:45 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
39:47 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But I liked episode two.
39:48 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, this is, it feels weird, but I kind of like it.
39:54 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think if I had watched episode one, I would have checked out.
39:57 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: That, oh, boy, interesting.
40:00 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_02]: because of all of that stuff.
40:02 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_04]: These things happen for reasons.
40:04 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:05 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:06 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what to Denise point is What was happening in episode two that was happening was Okay, yeah, we're doing this.
40:16 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This weird beta said stuff and the hot guy in the hot girl and, you know, all the young people are looking hot.
40:22 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Really, like there's a beautiful people on the show.
40:26 --> 40:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
40:27 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's growth and trajectory and self-reflectiveness and dealing with some kind of real issues and I was like, oh, that's weird.
40:37 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, all right, I'll else kind of second screen watch episode three and I was like, oh wait a minute, there's
40:44 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing, there's things happening with these characters.
40:48 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They have interiority.
40:49 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_02]: They have, you know, self-awareness.
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Self-awareness.
40:53 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, yeah, so by the time we got to five, I'm like, okay, yeah, it's a completely different shelf.
40:59 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not at all the discovery thing, but it took me some recalibration, absolutely.
41:04 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where your podcast was helping me to go through it because then I could actually start to see some of the deeper analysis and what they're doing with the writers are actually doing with some of the characters and stuff and my biggest hope I think is that we can continue to get that character growth from episode to episode so that there if something happens.
41:26 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_02]: with a character in an episode when we're two or three episodes down from that, they're not reset to baseline, but they've actually taken that growth in applying it in concurrently.
41:37 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So today you're your final thoughts.
41:41 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think I want to point out that there's also this idea of like this war academy and true to your point also, the idea that like these conversations are happening after this show and that feeds into a deeper understanding and appreciation for what I'm watching.
41:59 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I 100% with you on that.
42:01 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_04]: If I was just watching this out the conversations and context and kind of like
42:06 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_04]: taking the time to dig in.
42:08 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this would be a superficial interesting watch that I would enjoy on a superficial middle ground level.
42:18 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's really like the conversations after that give it a lot of depth for me.
42:24 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And one of them is the character slash characters of the War Academy.
42:31 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I would just be like, oh, this is that like you have to have a rivalry trope thing going on, and that's true.
42:38 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why the writer wanted to.
42:39 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
42:42 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_04]: But in the world of Star Trek, we're coming out of a phase when this organization had to have an army to protect itself because there was a resource war essentially.
42:54 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the context in our conversations on the podcast have helped me to kind of go, oh, this is why they exist.
42:59 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And what makes it interesting now is that the war academy kind of has to accept that Starfleet is back, that there's this generation of hopeful young ones that are going to shape the future in this scientific,
43:16 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what is the word when you a diplomat, a diplomatic conversation, the bridging the gap between worlds, this approach to how to like coexist with other people that
43:33 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_04]: recently, really screwed over some people really bad.
43:36 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, the Federation screwed some people.
43:40 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And the show is apparently just for the first time telling everyone the clingons are basically extinct.
43:44 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_04]: What?
43:44 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's just, it's like, oh, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, when did that happen?
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, oh, that wasn't in discovery.
43:50 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, interesting.
43:50 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So all of us get to be surprised at the same time.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so that's, that's really interesting.
43:55 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So we have, like, Starfleet turn their back.
43:58 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_04]: quote unquote on a lot of people and we saw them do questionable things that were very militant in episode one with Caleb and his mom in the context of the
44:11 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_04]: the state of the universe at the time of the burn happens and then seeing what's happened post and sort of the repairing of relationships and now there has to be a conversation between sort of two sides of the coin, the war and the diplomat and
44:30 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not just that the war people are there to cause friction, which is a meta, it's a meta structure of what's going on in the universe and that's really important for me because it takes it from being a, oh, we're going to go learn cool Starfleet magic today at the Academy into
44:50 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_04]: you all have an important role to play.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Like we do need to learn science.
44:54 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_04]: We do need to learn about diplomacy and history.
44:56 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, all of those things, because we can't just be war, that doesn't work either.
45:01 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's this repairing of the world that's happening, the bringing in the fold back together, casting a net for the new, looking ahead, you know, head up out of the clouds,
45:17 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_04]: and they have to have conversations about the importance of all of them together.
45:22 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know that they've done a bunch of that.
45:26 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, they're not heavy handed in those conversations so far, but it's been hinted at with Captain Kitty and, you know, Mr. Stickup is but with him.
45:36 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that guy.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's in charge of the war kids, you know?
45:39 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the war kids are all like wearing black all the time and they're quite serious, understandably so.
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like it.
45:48 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's important.
45:49 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a ideology versus reality sort of a situation.
45:55 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_04]: The war people are like, hey, realistically, we only have so many resources and a lot of people are angry and we have to protect ourselves and then there's the ideology behind it.
46:06 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've just let's stay with it.
46:10 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's wait till he comes back.
46:18 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the take one.
46:19 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's got all the way to the back.
46:22 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see where I get with the editing of this, but we had a major technical glitch on Mayan, my internet one out of the set.
46:29 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And today was making the most eloquent.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
46:32 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And beautiful points, and I absolutely agree with absolutely everything you said.
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
46:39 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
46:41 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll have to hear it on the replay.
46:43 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, also Ian has a transition from the war chat.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I?
46:51 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What was I gonna say?
46:53 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I start saying something?
46:55 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely.
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It was wonderful.
46:58 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_00]: There was an accountability as well that I really, really love.
47:01 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We're having this war Academy and Starfleet.
47:05 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, Starfleet cannot just be a bow.
47:07 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Pupu, pupu, pupu.
47:09 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: However, that's the transition people people people but the war Academy is like that's all we had you guys disappeared And now you're just coming back like super confident when we were holding the four for about a hundred years So there is this Bitsiness between them where the war Academy has just been established continuing and Now there's just like an accountability between them that I really really enjoy like they're gonna have to find a way to guess along
47:39 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And there is a little bit of the whole quarksiness that I'm just like, okay, move on, sliver and hate script and all grief and all hate slivering, got it, move on.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm hoping they've done enough of that.
47:50 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, but I love the foundation of splitting it into two, because personally, that allows me to enjoy Starfleet as Starfleet, a vessel for exploration, and not,
48:02 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_04]: But it also recognizes that the Peter video is part of it, you know, because a lot of the shows we've seen well, I've seen are more like the exploration and not the war.
48:13 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And then of course in strange new worlds, there was that episode where they like a documentary style tried to like dig into what we're doing here.
48:23 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Are we actually a fighting vessel or what like what was we doing?
48:27 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we doing
48:30 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So they're not really like just pretending like Star Trek doesn't do that.
48:34 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_04]: They're bringing them both together.
48:36 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're doing, there's this interesting reboot in the sense of what is Starfleet, why did we fall in love with the idea of Starfleet all the way back from original series, which is very military, right?
48:53 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're coming out of a couple of world wars and an active hot war in Southeast Asia at that, say, very same time.
49:02 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, next gen was this sort of clintonian 90s.
49:07 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to, you know, be out in the world and do it all this great stuff.
49:13 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_02]: The military thinks we're going to be a little in the background.
49:14 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to lead with diplomacy and smarts and all this kind of thing.
49:17 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, through all the other shows, what is or what's the idea of Starfleet
49:31 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like they're bringing something back for me in the sense of what is Starfleet?
49:38 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
49:39 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a holistic and well-rounded approach.
49:42 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it's, you got to lead with a little poetry.
49:45 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes you got to lead with an elbow and a knee and a, you know, some about it.
49:49 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And about it.
49:50 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes you, you need to think about history or philosophy or science.
49:56 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_02]: and all of it, and in an active dynamic, ongoing conversation with itself, that's not a determined
50:09 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_02]: settled, you know, oh, this is CSI and space kind of stuff.
50:14 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're all like really square jawed individuals like, you know, CSI, I don't know.
50:20 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Section 31 dream.
50:21 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
50:22 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
50:23 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
50:24 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_04]: But they are doing a very brave thing.
50:26 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_04]: There are a lot of characters to absorb in the show.
50:31 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they're not just, it's not just a small crew that's running the ship and then we don't see all the rest of the people on the ship.
50:37 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a bunch of people.
50:39 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_04]: there's a whole bridge of people that were there's the bridge there's the teachers there's like our core academia academy kids and then there's the war kids and they kind of bounce around in a way where we dig into a character and then we kind of come out and that's that storytelling that's.
50:56 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_04]: that is the writers and the producers and the director knowing that the audience is younger and we need to have a variety of different things going on and they're really just taking a lot of boxes and not sitting in their moments a lot.
51:08 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_04]: So we do get to see a variety of approaches to what Starfleet is through different lenses.
51:17 --> 51:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
51:17 --> 51:17 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what I'm liking.
51:19 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm really curious if they're going to keep doing what I like or if this is just going to turn into a nice big old dumpster fire.
51:25 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: What gives me some hope we have mentioned how across the internet there has been some dubious reviewing happening is what I'm going to say.
51:34 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Some unfair reviewing.
51:36 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: However, in spite of that episode six has got a 7.3 on IMDB, which is way, I'm probably going to hate it.
51:44 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, it's way ahead of them.
51:45 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Any other episodes so far, do we need your money back on screen?
51:51 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what's going to happen?
51:52 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a turning point somewhere, but it's just I Did I maybe I love that I've got a season two as well.
51:59 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think this is a show that's going to Where you extreme me when I'm really enjoying it.
52:03 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
52:03 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
52:05 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
52:06 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_02]: There are just so many thoughts about where they could go and what they could do.
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But I just keep coming back to this idea that there's this
52:14 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This, and idea that came to me earlier today, I think when you were talking about your number one point with Captain Kitty and the leadership question, or then if you think with Jayden and what is a warrior and where is the battlefield?
52:30 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And in Islam, there's a concept of the geod, and the lesser geod is the external conflict of physically fighting with other people.
52:41 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But the inner conflict is the greater geod.
52:45 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the real battle of mastering yourself and learning who you are in relationship to yourself.
52:57 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And if they keep playing with that stuff, where these characters are confronting themselves,
53:05 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I think, you know, they can throw Paul Giamati on screen and a raging space battle.
53:11 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it didn't do all that.
53:12 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be doing stuff like exploration.
53:14 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He will be doing scene exploration.
53:15 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
53:16 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Ethan, but that's fine.
53:18 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You can have a couple of those episodes.
53:20 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not going to crash the show for me.
53:22 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to crash the series for me.
53:23 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going as long as there is this nutritional density in some of these other episodes, then I can continue to watch and be a fan of the show.
53:33 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_04]: It seems like it's there every episode so far and you could kind of like pin it as the show pivoting into like what a mentor could look like.
53:42 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_04]: The the personal work to become a mentor whether they're already a teacher in a mentor or a captain kitty and they become a mentor.
53:49 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Just the idea that like people are watching you and they're going to learn from you and they're going to join you and you get to decide what parts of yourself.
54:00 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_04]: To to show and to bring to light in a group setting or an learning setting like you're you're in.
54:07 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_04]: You're the only one in control of yourself.
54:09 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So if the show really is trying to kind of show what mentoring the future looks like.
54:19 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Whether they are trying to figure out what kind of person they're going to be, what kind of mentor they could be, not just in like the literal sense, but in like the Star Trek sense, mentoring and ushering in the next generation of Star Trek content.
54:33 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_04]: or the literal interpretations that we see in those rules.
54:37 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I see that in every episode, so I would be surprised if they didn't continue to lean on that as part of what the DNA of this particular show is.
54:47 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be weird.
54:48 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then you're like, what are you?
54:50 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you as a show, if you suddenly stop doing that.
54:52 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And like I was saying at the very beginning and maybe this will kind of like wrap it up for me individually is each style of show that I've watched so far in doing captain's pot there seems to be like a little bit of a DNA thinker print that they kind of go on so lower decks comedy is part of what's going to be there every single episode the call backs the
55:13 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_04]: leaning into the fun tropes of doing a sci-fi show in a way where it's like, this is actually in the world.
55:20 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just an animated version so we could do things you would never see before like having someone be completely sucked on by an alien.
55:26 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_04]: We couldn't see that before and now we can and it was fun and it's actually content.
55:30 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually canon content for Star Trek.
55:33 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Super fun.
55:34 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_04]: but like this one's DNA is just hitting on a teacher level on a mentor level, on a building the future level.
55:41 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's like a, you know, the optimist to cope.
55:44 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, no punk got, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope.
55:49 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really sounds great on him.
55:50 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_04]: He'd be hoping that I think people are going to be judging Lee and Joe.
55:59 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I do.
55:59 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they're not, I mean, they don't want to have a good time at it.
56:02 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's fun to hate on stuff.
56:04 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think of me wrong?
56:05 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I would hate on it if I didn't like it.
56:08 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I really would and and that's why I thought episode one was it was going to be okay.
56:12 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's this alpha cute hot boy who gets taken from his mama and Paul G. and Maddie is the screaming over the top bad guy.
56:19 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
56:20 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what this is going to be and I was like, oh, I was just I was so glad that I saw two first because then I was like, but this is weird.
56:27 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_02]: This is incongruous to that.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And then three was like, wait a bit.
56:29 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Where are we going?
56:31 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think you're right, I think that that imprint of what they're trying to grapple with.
56:39 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Any given episode can be any different thing.
56:42 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But at its core, what it's holding on to as long as that continues to persist.
56:48 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and don't give me wrong.
56:51 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I said I was done and I'm not, but don't give me wrong.
56:55 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_04]: What I like the show, if we spent more time with the,
57:00 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Sassy sort of like burned out.
57:04 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want your crap adults.
57:08 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I would love to watch this and like just sit in a class.
57:14 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong to Tignafong
57:26 --> 57:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what I be even more pumped, yeah, because I don't relate to the academy kids as much as I would have to guess what this one's not aimed at me.
57:37 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_04]: This Star Trek is not aimed at me in fully it's 40% for me and I'm really appreciating learning from it and seeing what modern storytelling can look like in the Star Trek world.
57:50 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, I think I really am done now.
57:54 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_02]: just know.
57:57 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
57:57 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You're fine.
57:59 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very, it's on brand for, for our community to have more to say.
58:05 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_02]: There's always another thing to say.
58:08 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so if folks wanted to tune in, they would just search their podcast player for captains pod.
58:16 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, such captains pod pretty much, you'll grab us just about anyway if you plug it into that Google thing.
58:22 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we'll put some links in the show notes for your discord and your patreon.
58:25 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_02]: For that, if folks want to find you, do you have anything else going on that we should be aware of or you're just in coverage of this for the type being?
58:36 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't need to be in coverage of obviously Starfleet Academy and we're posting a couple of extra things on Patreon when it makes sense.
58:44 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a set release schedule for extra content on there.
58:46 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just usually when a clean on moment takes, um, dinner.
58:50 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I need to know more about this immediately.
58:52 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I get a little Lord eyes.
58:55 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, talk about the gottoes or, uh, yeah.
58:58 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What are the black and black white people?
59:00 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I forget what they're called.
59:01 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Got them what they're called.
59:02 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be one of the main shows.
59:04 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:05 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you call that segment?
59:07 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was Compton's pod supplement.
59:09 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Rather proud of that one.
59:13 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the podcast feed is the main thing.
59:17 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Get in touch with Ian and Danay and gmail.com.
59:21 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
59:22 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think we'll probably try to, maybe we should touch base at the end of the season.
59:28 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And do you want to be really interesting?
59:30 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:31 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: See how much you continue to deliver for us.
59:33 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing 10 on this.
59:34 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_02]: 10 episodes.
59:36 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:36 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're halfway, obviously, midseason.
59:38 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And these things are on Thursdays.
59:41 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, and you guys usually have your pods out midweek.
59:44 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so we are, we watch the episode and an immediately record.
59:49 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't do any research, we don't do anything deeper.
59:51 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We just dive straight into raw feelings.
59:54 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then that episode comes out Tuesday for patrons and then Wednesday.
59:58 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a time to get a little recap before going into the next episode.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Stay perfect.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, well, as always, it's a pleasure to see and talk with you guys in ways.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for having us David.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Talk again soon, bye.
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