The Acolyte – S01E01 – Lost / Found

[00:00:00] Welcome to a very special episode of the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast because...

[00:00:24] It's also an episode of The Lorehounds podcast.

[00:00:27] Since, of course, people want Acolyte coverage on The Lorehounds, but this is also the major

[00:00:32] series I'm using to kick off the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast, it made sense to combine the

[00:00:36] two. So this episode and all Acolyte weekly breakdowns will be released on both feeds,

[00:00:41] plus the Lorehounds Star Wars feed. And hi, by the way, I'm Alicia.

[00:00:45] And I'm Jon. And today we're breaking down the first two episodes of the new Star Wars series,

[00:00:50] The Acolyte, the first live action Star Wars set outside the Skywalker saga,

[00:00:56] taking place in the High Republic era, 100 years before the prequel trilogy.

[00:01:02] Hey, future editor Alicia jumping in here for an update from the end of this episode just to

[00:01:07] set expectations up front. After going on for over an hour about just the first episode,

[00:01:13] we decided that we should put the conversation on pause and give the second episode its very own

[00:01:19] podcast breakdown, which we will get out tomorrow. Community feedback and that separate trailer

[00:01:24] based speculation section we're about to mention will be included in the episode two breakdown.

[00:01:29] Okay, back to your previously recorded recording.

[00:01:32] We'll be following the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast spoiler rules, which means we might

[00:01:37] mention a character from later or vaguely reference a well-known event just for those

[00:01:41] who know those stories already. But we promise not to spoil any of the twists and turns.

[00:01:47] I promised to try not to.

[00:01:49] Don't worry, I'm editing so I'll bleep them out if he does.

[00:01:53] And we have also a couple subscriber only episodes planned this season where Jon and

[00:01:58] I will go deeper into how this unfolding story connects with events later in the timeline.

[00:02:03] We'll tell you more about that later.

[00:02:04] We also have a small separate section after our episode breakdowns to discuss speculation

[00:02:09] based on trailers. We're partitioning that off for those of you who like to avoid that information.

[00:02:14] And we'll warn you before we get into that.

[00:02:17] For this episode, we're releasing the episode on all feeds at the same time.

[00:02:21] Starting next week, subscribers will get early access about one day before episodes hit the

[00:02:25] public.

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[00:02:30] which will follow the same schedule. I am setting up the canon Padawan supercast now,

[00:02:36] but I will include a link already in the show notes as well as the usual Lorehounds link.

[00:02:40] And next week, I'll tell you a bit more about what's included in that supercast.

[00:02:45] At the end of the episode, we'll also talk more about what's going on in the Lorehounds

[00:02:49] feed and the rest of the network this hot lore summer.

[00:02:55] So check the link tree in the notes for links to all, including

[00:03:00] our lively discord where we're deep in acolyte discussion.

[00:03:04] And for the record, since we always note this on the Canon Timeline podcast,

[00:03:07] his conversation was recorded on June 6th, 2024, and everything is accurate on that date,

[00:03:13] to the best of our knowledge. So welcome, John. I'm excited to talk about the acolyte. How about you?

[00:03:20] I'm excited too. And I'm finally invited to the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast feed.

[00:03:24] It's very exciting. I've gotten to listen to you and Dead Eye Jedi Bob mostly,

[00:03:29] along with your other guests. And yeah, I'm excited to be here.

[00:03:33] Yeah, we've been planning this from the start, of course.

[00:03:36] And this, yeah, this is because it's a good era to launch this podcast, of course,

[00:03:43] the Canon Timeline, because it's like we're starting now with something new earlier on.

[00:03:49] Outside of what we've seen before.

[00:03:50] And we know that new is always better.

[00:03:52] Well, no.

[00:03:53] I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

[00:03:56] I also like to drink some member berries from time to time. And there's plenty in this too.

[00:04:01] Yeah, definitely.

[00:04:03] How would you describe this series overall? What would you say the premise is?

[00:04:09] Oh, that's tough. I would say a murder mystery that gets solved in the first episode,

[00:04:18] but also has an underlying layer of mystery involving motivations.

[00:04:25] Yeah, I guess instead of a whodunit, I'd call it a whydunit.

[00:04:29] That's a good way to put it. I like that.

[00:04:33] It's a Disney Plus show, of course, like all Star Wars shows. And the showrunner is Leslie

[00:04:37] Hedlund. We talked about her more in the Acolyte Preview episode, if you want to listen to that in

[00:04:43] the Canon Timeline feed. John, did you watch Russian Doll on Netflix?

[00:04:47] Not at all. I did not.

[00:04:50] Okay, I recommend it. I think you would like it too. It's kind of like a dark and twisty sci-fi

[00:04:56] mystery.

[00:04:57] Sounds fun. I will wait until after Hot Lore Summer to watch it, but it sounds good.

[00:05:03] Yeah, there's two seasons out so far. And it's actually, there's a few characters from that show

[00:05:08] in this, but not Natasha Lyonne, who's the star of that one.

[00:05:13] Right. Okay, fun. I do like Natasha Lyonne.

[00:05:17] Yeah, me too. So the Acolytes will be, the first season anyway, will be eight episodes. So we're

[00:05:22] talking about the first two today because they dropped together. And then we're going to be

[00:05:27] talking about each one weekly over the next six weeks. So I'm going to barely acknowledge this,

[00:05:35] but just the Rotten Tomatoes situation is that there's 94% currently from the critics,

[00:05:42] meaning 94% of the reviews are leaning positive and 41% from quote unquote fans.

[00:05:50] But of course, this number is improving. It was worse before the episode launched when there were

[00:05:56] a lot of comments about like women, wah, wah, wah. So not really going to get into that,

[00:06:01] but that's where things stand.

[00:06:03] Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people who are upset that Star Wars doesn't look like it did in

[00:06:09] 1977 as far as the actors and I'm not with them. I think that every performance in this has been

[00:06:18] great so far. Yeah. And this is about a whole wide galaxy. If you don't use actors from all over

[00:06:27] our small world, how are you going to recreate the feeling of the vastness and diversity,

[00:06:32] especially in the high Republic, which is one of the most prosperous and diverse eras?

[00:06:36] Right. Right. Yeah.

[00:06:38] I mean, there's aliens all over. Why? Yeah. Why wouldn't humans be all different too?

[00:06:43] Suspend your disbelief, oh weary traveler.

[00:06:46] I mean, what disbelief? It just reflects the real world. Yeah. So on the Lore Helms podcast,

[00:06:53] we use something called the Pukila Scale, which is where we decide whether how much more or less

[00:07:01] violent a show or movie is compared to the first season of Rings of Power. So what would be your

[00:07:08] Pukila ranking for this one, John? I think minus one.

[00:07:12] Really? Okay. It's got fights, but they're not gory.

[00:07:16] And it's mostly like, this is definitely a show geared towards a YA audience, I would say.

[00:07:23] Okay. And so I don't think, well, I think anybody can enjoy it, but I think

[00:07:29] as far as rating, this is really like a YA show.

[00:07:34] Okay. Okay.

[00:07:35] And I don't mean that in a negative way. I think it's exciting. I think it gives

[00:07:39] younger viewers sort of eyes to look through. Like PG.

[00:07:41] Yeah. Yeah. And I think Marilyn could do this and she did actually. So I don't know why I'm

[00:07:47] questioning that. And Marilyn being the first name of, we'll hear from her in the feedback section,

[00:07:56] the one we always call our favorite Tolkien scholar because she is.

[00:07:59] So John, what's your hot take on these first two episodes? Spoiler free for now. We'll let

[00:08:04] everyone know. We're just going to talk about the episodes first without spoilers for those who are

[00:08:10] still deciding whether or not to watch and then we'll let everyone know when we're going to open

[00:08:13] this can of spoiler worms. Yeah. So the few days leading up to this,

[00:08:19] I had been excited for this series for a long time, but the few days leading up to this,

[00:08:22] I was thinking, okay, High Republic, not a lot to latch onto. I've read a little bit of the

[00:08:29] High Republic books, but I haven't even finished one of them. That's why I said a little bit,

[00:08:35] not a few. Would you read Light of the Jedi?

[00:08:39] I read part of Light of the Jedi. It didn't hook me and I'm almost done with Convergence. I went

[00:08:43] to Era Two first now because... Okay. Fair. Yeah.

[00:08:45] Yeah. Or Phase Two, I guess it's called. Anyway, and I'm liking that one a lot better.

[00:08:53] Even those are removed timeline-wise from this series, right? Because this is at the end. Those

[00:08:59] are sort of in the middle of the High Republic era. Yeah. This series is as distant from those

[00:09:06] books as it is from the prequel era. Right.

[00:09:09] It's right in between. Right. So yeah, I was just like,

[00:09:12] yeah, I don't think I'm going to have anything to latch onto. I was worried that I wasn't going

[00:09:18] to feel drawn into the world right away. It was going to be a lot of taking this information,

[00:09:23] which is I think how I felt in Shogun Episode One. It took a lot for me to take in the information

[00:09:29] in Episode One, only on rewatch did I get to really enjoy it. But this, I was right in.

[00:09:35] I turn it on and I'm right in. I feel like they open it up really well. I feel like the best

[00:09:41] thing about this is that they immediately draw you into character motivations instead of making

[00:09:46] you focus on wonky lore. You pick up the wonky lore on the way, but they really do make the

[00:09:52] character arc central. And that is the sign of a good storyteller. And so I'm really glad that

[00:09:59] they did that. The world looks great. I mean, Star Wars production is basically always 10 out of 10

[00:10:07] and lives up to it here. Looks great. I didn't recognize certain actors who were in alien

[00:10:13] makeup, which is fun. And I'm just so pleased with this. Every casting I mentioned before

[00:10:21] is right on point. Everyone feels right. And the story is intriguing to the point where I almost

[00:10:29] wish it were a binge series, even though I always say I don't want to binge series because I just

[00:10:33] want to know what happens. Right. No, it definitely left me with intrigue and I'm glad that we get

[00:10:38] these weeks in between to pick it apart. But yeah, this will be a fun binge series. It'll be fun to

[00:10:43] go back and re binge too. Yep. Yep. So this certain actor that you're talking about, I'm guessing

[00:10:49] that's Daphne Keene. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So do you know her from, are you a His Dark Materials fan

[00:10:55] too? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't watch season three, but I watched seasons one and two. I want

[00:10:59] to go back and watch season three. Oh yeah. You got to watch season three. It wraps it up.

[00:11:03] I did read the books too. So I know what happens. So you know what happens. Yeah. Yeah. That's

[00:11:07] why I wasn't like itching for season three. I was like, all right, that'll be cool to get to when I

[00:11:10] get to it. Right. Yeah. Minor spoiler. It's a tearjerker. And Logan too. She was really good.

[00:11:19] Oh yeah. It was fun to see her. I did know in advance that she was going to be a Thelin hybrid,

[00:11:24] a human hybrid. So, but it was, she was unrecognizable when I first saw pictures of

[00:11:29] the character. But yeah, overall I love, I loved the first two episodes. It's dark and it's very

[00:11:35] star Warsy and there's lots of world building and layers of intrigue. And these are all like

[00:11:40] things that are hallmarks of things I like. So it was kind of made for me in some ways,

[00:11:45] it feels like. I'm glad that they, there were some reveals going in that people generally

[00:11:51] expected and I'm glad they got them all out of the way, like right away, basically in the first

[00:11:56] episode. I love how practical everything is like the makeup and the sets and they filmed on location,

[00:12:04] especially in Madeira, but also a bit in Wales. It looks amazing. They, you know,

[00:12:09] Madeira is a very striking island and yeah, they, the work they did in post-production just made

[00:12:15] everything even more gorgeous. You know, the production design in general is a top form

[00:12:22] and I love the music. So the composer is called Michael Ables and he's best known for doing the

[00:12:28] scores of Jordan Peele movies and it's definitely got that like eerie vibe to it.

[00:12:33] Yeah, definitely. Now that you say that, that makes perfect sense.

[00:12:37] Yeah. And it adds to the mystery feeling.

[00:12:40] Right. Yeah. And one thing I wanted to say about the mystery part is obviously no spoilers,

[00:12:47] but one of the best ways I've seen mystery done in recent years is Severance season one, where

[00:12:54] each episode or a couple episodes solves a mystery and presents two more.

[00:12:59] Right.

[00:12:59] And I think that this show is doing a similar thing.

[00:13:03] Right. Yeah. Leslie Hedlund said that it was like an onion and each episode would

[00:13:08] peel back a new layer. Well, we'll call it Shrek because ogres are like onions.

[00:13:15] All right. Shall we break open the spoiler bag and get into episode one?

[00:13:19] I would love to.

[00:13:21] All right. Spoilers begin in three, two, one. Episode one is titled Lost slash Found. So it

[00:13:28] looks like all the titles are going to be opposites.

[00:13:32] Yeah, I like that a lot.

[00:13:33] Yeah. Because it's really, it's a story about we find out pretty much immediately. It's a story

[00:13:39] about two twin sisters, May and Osha, which are obviously being made to represent yin and yang

[00:13:46] in real world terms or Bogan and Ashla in Star Wars terms. So this is going back to

[00:13:53] the concept we talked about, especially in the old Republic episodes about this seeking of balance.

[00:13:58] So I think that's what they're telling us the show is going to be about. Not that

[00:14:03] Osha is good and May is bad. I think it's going to be about the balance between them.

[00:14:07] Right. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I think the things that May does are bad, but we'll see.

[00:14:15] From whose perspective though? That's the thing is I think, well, I did know,

[00:14:19] I do know this is going to be about shifting perspectives. So I wonder,

[00:14:23] we're seeing things now we might see differently later in the season.

[00:14:28] Yep. Fair enough.

[00:14:31] So the writer and director of this episode is a showrunner, Leslie Hedlund. And yeah,

[00:14:37] for this recap, we're going to recap a scene and then talk a bit about it. I'm going to combine

[00:14:42] a couple scenes that are covering the same arc, even if they don't necessarily happen back to

[00:14:46] back in the show. Makes sense.

[00:14:49] We start with the opening crawl. And so opening crawls, this is, I haven't mentioned it yet on

[00:14:56] the Kennan Timeline podcast, but it's like a very important Star Wars thing that happens. We always

[00:15:04] care about the opening crawl. It was basically something that George Lucas copied from Flash

[00:15:09] Gordon. Always ends in four dots except for Return to the Jedi for reason people have been analyzing

[00:15:16] for years. But this one wasn't actually a crawl. They just kind of, the words appeared on screen,

[00:15:21] which does make it easier to read. And they said, a hundred years before the rise of the empire,

[00:15:27] it is a time of peace. The Jedi order and the galactic Republic have prospered for centuries

[00:15:32] without war, but in the dark corners of the galaxy, a powerful few learn to use the force

[00:15:37] in secret. One of them, a lone assassin risks discovery to seek revenge.

[00:15:45] So yeah, we get this a hundred years before the rise of the empire, although we were told in

[00:15:49] marketing materials, it's a hundred years before the Phantom Menace, which is an important distinction

[00:15:53] because one is 119 BBY before the battle of Yevon and one is 132 BBY. So this is important in terms

[00:16:03] of who is possibly busy on the Sith side of things. That's true. I wonder if they're using rise of the

[00:16:12] empire to refer to the beginnings of corruption, the beginnings of the rise of power of a important

[00:16:21] few characters. Yeah. I feel like it makes more sense to be before the prequels.

[00:16:32] Right. I mean, it's before the prequels regardless, but it's like how long before the prequels.

[00:16:35] Yeah. That's what I mean. I feel like it makes more sense to refer to Phantom Menace with that.

[00:16:39] Right. Oh yeah, yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. So we're just going to assume and let until told

[00:16:45] otherwise that it's 132 BBY. So 132 years before the original Star Wars movie is set.

[00:16:51] But this time of peace doesn't mean nothing bad ever happens. Definitely check out the Hyber

[00:16:57] Public recap. If you don't know what bad things have happened, I'm sure we'll get references as

[00:17:03] we go, but this is a golden age of the Jedi and of the Galactic Republic. So John, you said you've

[00:17:09] been reading Cataclysm. What have you noticed about the Hyber Public that makes it feel

[00:17:15] different than what comes later? Yeah, it's the Jedi are much more, I think someone said this in

[00:17:23] our discord, they're much more of like a police force, right? They are very clearly allied with

[00:17:28] the Senate, very clearly allied with the Republic and not this third party. Oh, we just go with the

[00:17:36] wind and we serve the Republic, but not directly. And we don't meddle with politics like they are

[00:17:41] very political in a way that it seems it might be taboo later. Well, but then in the next stage,

[00:17:49] we see them acting as kind of the military. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I don't Yeah,

[00:17:56] I feel like they think that they are more independent. But when you see the way that

[00:18:01] they behave, that's not true. Right? They are really an arm of the Republic. Right. But they

[00:18:06] would they would be offended if you said that to them. Right? Yeah. I mean, one quote that stuck

[00:18:13] out to me that I read last night actually in Convergence was that one of the Jedi I don't know

[00:18:19] how to pronounce her name because it's a book. Yelena tall, maybe it's Jelena in the tie.

[00:18:25] And Natale, I think is the last name. But yeah, anyway, she's talking to a woman on

[00:18:32] Arano. And the woman says, you fight for peace. That's like going to the desert to get water.

[00:18:40] You know, and it really does challenge the whole Jedi way of thinking, right? Is Yeah. And, and

[00:18:46] I can't again, I can't spoil later. I want to discuss later. But is it you know, we see in

[00:18:53] Dara in the next scene, I don't want to go too deep into that yet. We see her refuse to fight

[00:18:58] at first. Right. And so that does seem to be part of the Jedi code. But I don't know how well that

[00:19:07] serves her in the end. Right? Right. Yes. Well, of course. So there are there are wars like

[00:19:16] that civil war that you were referencing. Yeah, I mean, not a civil war, but a war between two

[00:19:21] planets over the right that ends up getting the planet of Jedha involved. We talked about that

[00:19:26] in the hyper public breakdown. But yeah, this is I guess with it when they're saying centuries

[00:19:33] without war, they mean it's not like the great civil wars that the Jedi had with the Sith,

[00:19:37] basically. Right? Right. Yeah, it's they have small, they consider two planets fighting a

[00:19:45] small squabble. Right. Because that's like that's like a bucket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,

[00:19:50] it's not it's not allied forces, you know, several planets forming a coalition against other ones.

[00:19:56] That's that's a different thing. That's what they consider a war. Right. Exactly. I guess I guess

[00:20:01] it's the Republic itself is not at war. And so there is no war. That's true. It's kind of like

[00:20:07] the America and Vietnam. But anyway. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a conflict. It's not a war.

[00:20:12] Right. Exactly. We haven't declared war since 1941, which is funny because the original Star

[00:20:19] Wars was in part based on the Vietnam conflict. Oh, yeah. And I mean, the prequel trilogy is

[00:20:25] certainly laced with Iraq War era criticisms. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So then the question,

[00:20:34] of course, left by this opening crawl is who are the few in the dark corners of the galaxy

[00:20:39] learning to use the force in secret? So people immediately jump to sit, you know,

[00:20:45] the showrunner herself has talked about what are the Sith doing in this time of secrecy,

[00:20:50] but also maybe witches. Yeah. And and I'm wondering because I'm only just getting into

[00:20:56] this in the Republic books, but the this idea of the path of the hand, I don't know if they

[00:21:03] I don't know if they're extinct by now because I haven't finished the books.

[00:21:06] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, we talked about certain minor spoiler that we talked about in the

[00:21:12] hyper public overview is that the path kind of evolved the path of the open hand kind of

[00:21:17] eventually evolves into a group called the Nihil, which are the main enemies of the of the first

[00:21:24] and third phases, because again, the phases are out of order chronologically. Okay. Yeah.

[00:21:31] But there's definitely signs that there may be connections, especially we're going to talk about

[00:21:36] that spiral we see on May's forehead. Mm hmm. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, just because I was like,

[00:21:43] this doesn't feel like Sith to me. No weapon, things like that. Right. That just doesn't feel

[00:21:48] like the Sith to me. And I could be wrong, but it just feels like the Sith are just use whatever

[00:21:53] tools are available. Right. Just improvise. Right. Right. So for the Sith, we're in the era of the

[00:21:59] rule of two. And we have an idea of which two Sith would be busy during this time. We'll talk

[00:22:05] about that at the very end of the episode. We talked about it in the preview episode. But,

[00:22:11] you know, the rule of two is really just about who is actually a Sith. And there are always

[00:22:15] exceptions. They always have other people working for them. The Sith often take on more than one

[00:22:21] apprentice just to force them to fight against each other. I do think though, based on May's

[00:22:26] behavior, she's trying to officially become an apprentice. And I think that's why she keeps

[00:22:30] trying to steal people's lightsabers. Mm hmm. I think she wants to steal it and bleed it for

[00:22:36] herself. But if she can't do it the right way, according to her master's rules, then it doesn't

[00:22:41] count. Right. Right. So speaking of her first attempt stealing lightsabers, we open with a young

[00:22:50] assassin who will come to know as May played by Amandla Stenberg. The bottom half of her face is

[00:22:55] covered in a black mask. She's seeking out a Jedi known as Master Indara played by Carrie-Anne Moss

[00:23:01] in a remote Jedi outpost, finding her chumming it up in a local cantina. May relentlessly pushes

[00:23:07] Indara to attack her, telling her they have unfinished business and starting a fight with

[00:23:11] the other patrons to force Indara to intervene. Their fighting clears the bar and Indara uses her

[00:23:16] comm link to call for help. At one point, May's face is revealed and Indara seems to recognize her.

[00:23:22] May eventually ends the fight by sending one of her daggers flying toward the barkeep,

[00:23:27] forcing Indara to break her concentration to stop the dagger with the force, giving May the chance

[00:23:32] to send her other dagger flying into Indara's heart. May threatens the bar owner but leaves

[00:23:37] when she sees his child cowering behind him. So we're on a new planet called Ueda. But yeah,

[00:23:45] what did you think about this whole fight scene? My biggest complaint is that we lost Carrie-Anne

[00:23:51] Moss in the opening scene because I mean, science fiction roiled. You know what I mean?

[00:23:58] I could watch her be a Jedi all day. I feel like she was born to be a Jedi.

[00:24:03] I mean, Trinity from the Matrix is basically just a Jedi.

[00:24:07] Well, that was exactly Leslie Hedlund's thinking. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. And I love that she

[00:24:14] only at the very end takes her lightsaber out. Like she does do a lot of, like it could have

[00:24:21] just been Trinity, honestly, most of the time. Great stuff, great stuff. And I do like that they

[00:24:28] give us the weaknesses of both, right? I mean, Indara, you know, if that were a dark side user,

[00:24:36] she would have just sat there and watched her terrorize the whole place and just ignored her

[00:24:41] when we walked out. But because the Jedi have this need to help people, that's something that

[00:24:49] you know, we see a lot of dark side users, a lot of Sith and dark side users play on.

[00:24:55] And they use that to break their concentration, to pull them into fights, etc.

[00:24:59] Then we also see that Mae has a soft spot for kids and parents' relationships with kids maybe.

[00:25:07] Yeah, we see her a few times. It seems like whenever she wants help with something,

[00:25:11] she pays a kid to help her. Right, that makes sense. Yeah.

[00:25:16] Yeah, the fight choreo people keep talking about. Well, they're so they're calling it Leslie

[00:25:21] Headland and the and the fight choreographers who are Christopher Clark Cohen and Lu Jung-Chun.

[00:25:27] They call it forcefu. Boo. Boo. People, why boo? Have a better name. Oh, I think it's cute.

[00:25:35] But people are talking about, you know, the fact they use wuxia, but it's actually just like,

[00:25:41] just like I have to say, people who know a lot more about martial arts love to break down

[00:25:49] all the different ways that they combine everything from like fencing to, you know, karate to

[00:25:58] everything that you can think of. Krav Maga, you know, medieval sword fighting. It's all finds its

[00:26:03] place in the choreography. So I can't claim to be an expert in fight choreography. I appreciate it

[00:26:09] when I see it. But if more people have more detailed understanding and knowledge about that,

[00:26:14] please do write in. Yeah, yeah, I love that stuff. I just don't know enough about it. Right. I love

[00:26:21] that each character has their own style, though. And yeah, I would love to hear people who are

[00:26:24] more knowledgeable about this break this down. And you can I just say you see this?

[00:26:31] This seems to be a lot more diverse of a fighting style layout. You know, you know,

[00:26:38] we talk about the diversity of the cast, but also I think the different Jedi here feel so much more

[00:26:43] distinct than Jedi later in the canon timeline. Right. And this is also because they are we

[00:26:50] visit in these first two episodes and outpost and you know, we when we talked about young Jedi

[00:26:54] adventures, we saw an even further out outpost into the Jedi, they were more spread out during

[00:27:00] this time. And whereas we see later in the timeline, sorry, minor spoiler, but they're

[00:27:05] more concentrated just in Coruscant. Yeah, it just seems like they're more homogenized later.

[00:27:14] And we get our first cantina scene of the show, which for anyone who doesn't know,

[00:27:19] cantina scenes, which are like the bars of the Star Wars universe are iconic.

[00:27:23] This one is Lomi Oosky noodle shop. And we're also introduced to the comm link,

[00:27:29] which is basically how characters communicate. And you can also use it for just audio or also

[00:27:35] with visual with holograms. Did you get Princess Bride vibes from the way that May shows up and

[00:27:43] she says we have unfinished business attack me with all your strength and then does her stance.

[00:27:48] That's funny. I didn't put that together, but it makes total sense when you pointed out.

[00:27:52] That's really funny.

[00:27:55] But it's May is so I've to say May is so earnest in this like I really I'm ready to feel for her

[00:28:01] when I hear her side of the story, because she really looks like she's about to cry when she's,

[00:28:07] Indara stops the patrons in the bar from laughing at her for challenging a master Jedi. And she's

[00:28:14] like attack me Jedi and Indara says Jedi do not attack unarmed. And she says, yes, you do. So

[00:28:20] you can just see there's so much emotion brewing up under that. I need to know.

[00:28:25] What does she mean? Yes, you do. What happened?

[00:28:27] Yes, something happened on her home planet. Yeah. Yeah, something suspicious. Also,

[00:28:33] this line, this attack me with all your strength is one of the things that made me think not Sith

[00:28:38] because a Sith would have just done a sneak attack.

[00:28:42] The Sith do not care about like honor with, you know, well, I don't know. I don't again,

[00:28:47] like even this whole idea of you have to kill without a weapon. You have to say attack me

[00:28:52] with all your strength, you know, give them a heads up. This all feels very rigid and not Sith

[00:28:59] like. Right. Yeah. I mean, we could be getting bamboozled by the making it look like a Sith

[00:29:07] thing. That's absolutely. The Sith are improvisational and they are very results

[00:29:11] oriented. Right. They are. I don't think they care much about the methodology of the kill,

[00:29:17] just that it happens. Well, I think that's I mean, what is it like about this? And so we'll talk

[00:29:23] about the master she meets at the end of the episode later. But basically he I'm saying he

[00:29:29] could very well be a woman with a voice distorter. He says that the Jedi are selling a dream and it's

[00:29:39] our job to undermine it. What we're trying to do is like to cut shinks in that in the armor of that

[00:29:46] dream, you know, expose the Jedi for the hypocrites that they are basically. And that is very much

[00:29:52] the idea of the rule of two is that you worm your way into the inside of the Jedi order and then

[00:30:00] and the Republic for that matter and, you know, spread the rot from within so that

[00:30:06] you can emerge stronger. Right. Right. Okay.

[00:30:10] I do. The one thing that makes me think it's maybe a Sith trial, like I said, is the fact she keeps

[00:30:15] going for the lightsabers, but then doesn't take it at the end. So feels like she's trying to pass

[00:30:22] a trial. And then if she took could take the lightsaber in the right way, then she could

[00:30:26] bleed it and have it be a hearse. So she needs to complete the kill without a weapon

[00:30:31] to get the lightsaber that this is my this is what I'm thinking so far. But of course,

[00:30:36] this remains to be seen. I do think it's interesting if the bar dude had died, though,

[00:30:41] if like she really banked on and are stopping him. But if Indira had let the bar do die,

[00:30:49] that actually would have been better for proving their point that the Jedi are

[00:30:52] more selfish than they seem. Right. Right. That's true.

[00:30:59] I do think, though, that I look like she wanted to stab me at one point with it when she got hold

[00:31:04] of one of her. Yeah. And then dropped it. The Jedi definitely are in denial that they still

[00:31:09] have emotions. It's just it's just part of it like. You know, in one way, it's sort of honorable to

[00:31:16] to be doing this, you know, life of chastity and and, you know, lack of lack of attachments and

[00:31:25] all this. But at the end of the day, you're still a person. You're still a humanoid and

[00:31:32] and you're going to have emotions. And I think that's one of the biggest weaknesses of the Jedi

[00:31:38] is that they don't acknowledge that. Right. Yeah. And this is exactly what we see. May trying to

[00:31:43] goad the Jedi she fights into doing, you know, in Indira at one point, she does pull out her

[00:31:49] her lightsaber to deflect May's daggers to cut them apart, basically. And May teases her a Jedi

[00:31:56] doesn't pull her weapon unless prepared to kill, which seems to be something most people follow,

[00:32:00] except for Yord, who pulls out his weapon any time he gets the opportunity.

[00:32:05] Yord is just hanging saber all the time. He loves it. Yeah, he's so glad he could

[00:32:12] finally got that night title. The guy is I think I called him a pick me on the discord.

[00:32:20] He's a pick me guy. But yeah, May's cool. I love the daggers. I love seeing a force user with a

[00:32:25] weapon other than a lightsaber for once. We see she has that spiral on her forehead. And I have to

[00:32:32] credit Padawan John on Twitter pointed out that it looks like a spiraling storm, which would link

[00:32:38] it back to the Nihil and the Nihil they use like storm. They use storm words basically for all

[00:32:45] their jargon. And so the head of the Nihil is called the eye. High up people are Tempest and

[00:32:51] then below that storm strike. So it could be marking her rank in whatever the Nihil became

[00:33:02] at this point in the timeline. So the Nihil are not allied with the Sith at all, right?

[00:33:06] Like they are totally distinct. I mean, yeah, they could be, but they are distinct groups.

[00:33:13] Okay. I mean, so basically the path of the open, I don't know if you got to this point in your

[00:33:19] books, but they are anti-using the force basically. And they're like, but especially not the Jedi. So

[00:33:26] they're not naturally going to ally with the Sith, but you could see some corrupted

[00:33:31] interpretation where they're like, well, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[00:33:36] Right. Well, they're not allowed to use the force, but these guys, they're pretty chill.

[00:33:42] Right. Exactly. So yeah, who knows? It's been now since, so I think the book you're reading is set

[00:33:49] at like 300 something BBY and now we're on 132 BBY. So it's been a couple of hundred years.

[00:33:53] A lot could have changed. All right.

[00:33:57] Switching to the other who we find out is a twin. So elsewhere out in the Corpsec region of space,

[00:34:04] a young woman who looks exactly like Mae, but with shorter hair, whose name we'll learn is

[00:34:08] Osha Anasea, wakes up in her quarters on the Trade Federation cargo ship where she works under

[00:34:13] the table as a mechanic or mech-neck. With Pip, her pocket-sized repair droid, always by her side,

[00:34:19] she goes to work repairing a shield generator, getting temporarily distracted by a fire that

[00:34:24] breaks out, triggering memories of her and her sister Mae being separated from their parents

[00:34:29] as children. As she puts out the fire, a Jedi starship arrives and her colleague asks her if

[00:34:34] those are her friends. So yeah, I wonder her colleague, I was surprised that her colleague

[00:34:41] knows that she used to be in the Jedi Order. I wonder if she tells everyone or if that was like a

[00:34:46] drunken night on a, he references Nar Shaddaa, which is a moon in the Nal Hutta system,

[00:34:52] where the huts, the slug-like people like Jabba live. So it's a big crime moon and party moon.

[00:35:00] So I'm wondering.

[00:35:02] The huts do like their parties, I gotta say.

[00:35:05] I'm wondering if some drunk night there, she told him her backstory, because it seems like

[00:35:08] that's not something you just spill. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's strange because,

[00:35:14] no, now I can't go later in the timeline. But we see that people who perhaps are not part of

[00:35:20] the Order at other times keep it secret because it's a really unusual thing for someone to join

[00:35:27] and leave. Right, right. It's kind of stigmatizing. Then people want to know like why and what

[00:35:32] happened and what does it mean about you? Yeah. Right, it's almost like there's some stigma

[00:35:38] sometimes with like discharges, untimely discharges from the military. Right. Even though it can happen

[00:35:44] for completely legitimate reasons. So a lot of people will just not discuss it basically.

[00:35:49] Yeah. So yeah, I don't know if we're going to see her fellow mech-neck again named Filik,

[00:35:56] but that's his name just in case you wanted to know. But this whole exchange where he says to

[00:36:03] her that they went out for an evening on Nar Shaddaa and apparently she did not go that night,

[00:36:09] although she talks another time about drunken nights out with her colleagues. So I do have

[00:36:13] to question why didn't she go that night? This makes it sound like she's a homebody,

[00:36:18] which is later contrasted by what she says. But more importantly, this is why she doesn't have

[00:36:23] an alibi during Indara's murder. Although if she were on Nar Shaddaa, wouldn't it have been easier

[00:36:29] for her to catch a ship somewhere else? Well, but if she's surrounded by her colleagues. Yeah,

[00:36:35] yeah, yeah. That's true. I just wonder how much. I swear I was in my room. Yeah. Yeah. I just wonder

[00:36:40] how much credence the Jedi are going to give to the words of a bunch of mech-necks, people who

[00:36:44] are outlaws already. Right. True. But she doesn't even have that in this case. And I love the cranky

[00:36:51] Trade Federation people. They're just like, oh, God damn it. The Jedi are here and now we got to

[00:36:59] worry about violations of law. And yeah, these compliance people are awful. Yeah, they're

[00:37:05] always they always seem afraid of Jedi, like especially more than other people. You can tell

[00:37:10] that's how you know that. So we talked about the Trade Federation and Neimoidians in the High

[00:37:15] Republic breakdown for anyone who's curious. But those are like the noseless people we see on ship.

[00:37:19] And yeah, they're always kind of squirrely. Yeah, they are. They've always got something going on.

[00:37:29] Yeah. And so mech-neck, by the way, new word, I guess it's late High Republic slang.

[00:37:34] And we learned that no humans are supposed to be doing external repairs. So maybe this explains

[00:37:39] some choices made about droids doing repairs in later films. But this means indeed,

[00:37:44] Osha is technically an outlaw. And the Neimoidians, they kind of because they're

[00:37:49] hiring outlaws, they can be a bit more careless. So at one point, Osha overhears him saying mech-necks

[00:37:55] are disposable, but cargo is not. And Osha's like really good natured about it. She's like,

[00:37:59] we can hear you. We can hear you talking about us dying. Yeah, yeah. And then she says, well,

[00:38:07] I'm not disposable, but he might be. Right. Exactly. So this is this is good character

[00:38:13] building, but it does also make me wonder if any of this is I don't know, I have to warn you in

[00:38:18] advance. I'm suspicious of every character in the show right now. Except for Sol. Yeah. Yeah. Except

[00:38:23] for Sol. Sol is pure. Sol is light. That's why he's named after the sun. Yeah, I'm loving Sol.

[00:38:28] I mean, I didn't think they'd be able to sell me on a Jedi as much as they do in the original and

[00:38:36] prequel trilogies. But already in episode one, I was in and then by the end of episode two,

[00:38:41] I was like, this guy's one of my favorites now. Yeah. Yeah. His facial expressions. We'll talk

[00:38:46] about some in particular. Mm hmm. Now I want to watch Squid Game just to see him in something

[00:38:51] else. Oh, he's oh, you haven't seen Squid Games. It's so good. I have not. Okay. Yeah. I definitely

[00:38:59] recommend it. And yeah, he's very good. But it's just in general, it's a very good show that is

[00:39:03] definitely has a high peculiar rating. So we find out yeah, so maze and corpse sec, which is

[00:39:11] the corporate sector, which is an area of space, which we get the earliest mention we've had

[00:39:16] previously in the timeline is in the Rogue One novelization, which is basically like year zero.

[00:39:21] So and it's explored later in the timeline. So this is the earliest that we've seen it

[00:39:26] makes sense that the Trade Federation is there because they'll be associated with this later

[00:39:31] in time. Oh yeah. And I love seeing the Neimoidians by the way that their fashion choices

[00:39:36] are just, they're just like, give me Christopher Columbus, but make it make it fashion.

[00:39:45] I love it. And I liked that. They, they seem to have, um, they got some

[00:39:50] flack for the accents in the original movie being kind of caricature-ish and they seem

[00:39:54] to have toned that down and it feels more natural now. Just like, yeah, yeah. I think that's right.

[00:40:00] And they, I think they even toned it down a little bit in the Clone Wars. Like they had

[00:40:03] already taken that into consideration. Right. Apparently they get to be more parodies of

[00:40:08] themselves as time goes on. Fair enough. I mean, don't they all, I mean,

[00:40:12] I feel like every time we get a new character, like Yoda just keeps being more ridiculous.

[00:40:17] Right. As he goes on. Right. Yeah. He's getting daddy in his old age. That's how I interpret it.

[00:40:23] Fair enough. But it's, I have to note that they say the Neimoidians, so they want,

[00:40:30] they want the Mechneks to repair their shields, but, uh, Osha points out they don't usually use

[00:40:36] shields and now they suddenly want to. So I'm paying attention to that. Like, why are they

[00:40:39] suddenly on higher alert? Something. That's a good question. Yeah. Do you think, um, the way that

[00:40:48] the way Osha reacted to fire, it was like giving you vibes like the hound from Game of Thrones with

[00:40:53] a family inspired fear of fire. Yeah. I think it's just, it feels like a trauma response, right?

[00:40:59] But she's just thrown back into this horrible situation that she went through. She's having

[00:41:04] PTSD flashbacks. Yeah. Yeah. I think I have a feeling that that's going to play out in some

[00:41:10] key moment where there's going to be a fire and she has to cope with it or, or let it derail her.

[00:41:15] So you're going to have to like walk through something, you know, right.

[00:41:18] Had to be fire. Had to be snakes. No. This is Lucasfilms. Um, and I just have to shout out,

[00:41:26] by the way, also in this scene that there was a proto gunk droid. So gunk droids are a proud

[00:41:31] star Wars tradition. They look like trash cans on legs and they're basically like walking batteries,

[00:41:36] technically called G and K series power droids, but called gunk droids because of the sounds they make.

[00:41:43] Okay. All right. Can you, uh, you can't give me an example of one later. So anyway, go on.

[00:41:49] I mean, uh, there's a prominent one in rebels.

[00:41:53] Oh, okay. All right. All right. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Nice.

[00:41:58] And we'll pick back up with that Jedi ship that showed up right after a quick break.

[00:42:23] Uh, okay. The Jedi rivals turn out to be OSHA's former Padawan friend,

[00:42:27] Yord Fandar played by Charlie Barnett and his Padawan Tasi Loa, uh, played by Thara Sh...

[00:42:34] I'm going to say Shun. And they're looking for OSHA, the Nemoidians cave quickly admitting

[00:42:40] to employing mechnics and direct the Jedi to OSHA's quarters. OSHA is happy to see Yord,

[00:42:46] but he has to suppress any of his own smiles to inform OSHA that she's a murder suspect.

[00:42:52] OSHA says she was in her quarters at the time of Indara's murder, but that's not enough of an alibi

[00:42:56] and they see the facts that Indara advised the Jedi to end OSHA's training as a potential motive.

[00:43:02] OSHA insists she's not only innocent, but it was her own difficult decision to leave the order.

[00:43:08] But once the barkeep shows up to ID her, Yord feels he has no choice but to arrest her.

[00:43:14] Do you think that Yord uses hairspray or the force to keep his hair at that angle constantly?

[00:43:20] I mean, the fact that it took him so long to go through his trials makes me question how,

[00:43:24] how good his mastery of the force is.

[00:43:28] Okay, so we're on the hairspray train for that.

[00:43:31] Yeah, yeah, I think so. Have to shout out the,

[00:43:35] I love the fact that there's now a hashtag going around called Yord Horde.

[00:43:41] I mean, he's handsome. He just, he just is very sus, I think. I mean, he's constantly

[00:43:48] being like, I don't trust OSHA. I don't trust her. I don't trust her.

[00:43:52] And to me, that feels a little bit like projection.

[00:43:56] Yeah. Do you get though, Galaad from the Wheel of Time vibes from him?

[00:44:01] Ooh, I hadn't considered that.

[00:44:04] Because Galaad, for anyone who doesn't know, Galaad is a character. He'll show up in season

[00:44:07] three of the TV show. He's basically, he's known for being hot and following the rules.

[00:44:12] Those are his things.

[00:44:14] Like to a fault, he will follow the rules. He would rather,

[00:44:18] you know, throw his sister or brother under the bus than break a rule.

[00:44:25] Yeah, maybe, maybe. I just don't know enough about him so far. Right now,

[00:44:29] I've only seen him throw shade. And I wonder if it's to a personal end or if it is,

[00:44:35] like you say, just like Hall monitor vibes.

[00:44:39] I mean, it does also feel like he's very, like he feels like he has a lot to prove,

[00:44:44] especially when, you know, Osha says to him like, oh, you finally got it. He's like,

[00:44:48] I made Knight two years ago.

[00:44:52] And I have to point out that the actor who plays Yord, he's in his late 30s. I don't

[00:44:57] know if the character is supposed to be the same age, but that is pretty old to become a Jedi Knight.

[00:45:02] Compared to others.

[00:45:04] It is.

[00:45:05] It's not young at least.

[00:45:06] Yeah, I mean, it's like, wow, man. Ah, you gotta mark that one.

[00:45:13] Oh, well, yeah, you can say, yeah, we see lots of we see lots of,

[00:45:20] as you're saying, we see lots of Jedi later who are much younger.

[00:45:25] Absolutely.

[00:45:26] And even before this, we saw, of course, for Nestor row, who will meet in this episode.

[00:45:31] She was the youngest to become a Jedi Knight at 16. So that's an exception. But.

[00:45:37] Right, right. But but if that's the beginning of the spectrum,

[00:45:40] then I think Yord is falling towards the end.

[00:45:42] Yeah, agreed.

[00:45:44] Can I ask you, Jedi, are is there a limit to how many nights they have?

[00:45:49] They can have or masters or is it just whatever you get to that rank?

[00:45:54] At this point in the timeline, actually, like 100 years before this, they ended up

[00:45:58] pressing a lot of people into Padawans and becoming Jedi more quickly just so they could

[00:46:02] fight the Nihil. But at this point, we see they do seem to be being more selective again.

[00:46:10] But I don't think it's not about a certain quota, because at this point they had more

[00:46:14] space to expand to. I think it was just about when you're ready.

[00:46:18] Interesting.

[00:46:19] Although, of course, yeah, there'll be the certain number of members on that council.

[00:46:23] And there's like three Grandmaster Jedi at this point in time, I believe.

[00:46:27] Okay.

[00:46:27] Including one of them.

[00:46:28] Green.

[00:46:29] Yeah. We've already met Yoda and young Jedi adventures. We can talk about him.

[00:46:34] We love it. I want to watch young Jedi adventures with my kids, but I tried to put it on once and

[00:46:39] they were like, what's this? Give me a Mickey Mouse.

[00:46:41] Yeah. You were saying that your daughter preferred the Bad Batch, which is a much darker tone.

[00:46:46] Yeah. Well, I think Clone Wars, what she really liked is because she likes the intro music.

[00:46:51] Right.

[00:46:52] She pretends to play the drums along with it.

[00:46:54] Right. Now that makes sense.

[00:46:57] So we see Yord with a he has a yellow lightsaber, which we're seeing pop up more and more, but they

[00:47:02] originally, they were associated with like sentinels or temple guards. So this is means

[00:47:09] kind of a more guardian role. That's what I'm interpreting now until told otherwise.

[00:47:15] I think he seems sincere when he says to her, I never thought I would see you again. He seems

[00:47:19] really sad about it. And I'm wondering what kind of complexity lurks in that sadness.

[00:47:25] Yeah. And I also want to say regarding lightsaber colors, it does feel like another part of the

[00:47:32] homogenization of the Jedi that later we don't see a lot of this color.

[00:47:36] Right. Just blue and green, basically, or red.

[00:47:39] Right. Yeah. But you could tell there's a little something between them, right? Like they bonded

[00:47:45] at least as friends, maybe as something more.

[00:47:48] Right. Yeah. She seems genuinely bubbly to see him and he seems like he wants to be,

[00:47:53] but feels like he can't.

[00:47:54] Yeah. And she seems excited to see him in a way that nobody else is.

[00:47:58] Right. Everyone else seems exasperated with.

[00:48:01] That's true. Oh, that's such a shame. Then he's kind of like shitty to her this whole

[00:48:07] this whole like two episodes. Yeah.

[00:48:09] Yeah. Maybe that's why everyone's exasperated with him is that every time they try to open

[00:48:12] up to him, he shuts them down.

[00:48:13] Yeah. So by the way, his Padawan Tassiloa, she's called a Zygerian, which are cat people.

[00:48:21] Cat people. I love that they did practical makeup on her.

[00:48:28] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:29] The Zygerians are, we do see them later in like the Clone Wars and other places.

[00:48:35] And also they are part of the lore going back to the old Republic where they were known as

[00:48:43] powerful slave traders.

[00:48:45] Yikes.

[00:48:46] Yeah. They fought the Jedi in the Galactic Republic, saw them as enemies.

[00:48:49] And they did during the Heim Republic, they were trading with the Nihil.

[00:48:54] So, so it's unusual in a way that.

[00:48:58] Naughty, naughty.

[00:48:59] We have a Zygerian Jedi or Jedi to be at least.

[00:49:03] I wonder if that will come into the plot line or if they're just like, hey, look, member very.

[00:49:07] Yeah. Well, it could be just like, you know, that headlines like I like Zygerians. Here we go.

[00:49:14] Yeah.

[00:49:14] She definitely is open about that with some species,

[00:49:18] or it could end up playing into the plot in an interesting way.

[00:49:22] And yeah, we haven't mentioned on this podcast yet before also that the Padawans, you might notice

[00:49:26] Padawans have braids if they're from a species that doesn't have hair, they'll have like a strand

[00:49:30] of beads going down. It's just basically signifies they're Padawan. And I suppose there's some deeper

[00:49:36] meaning to how the braid is done about rank and things like that. But I can't tell you the

[00:49:42] details about that if they exist yet. I think that might need to be defined more.

[00:49:47] Right.

[00:49:49] So, yeah, but having Tassie there is a good reason for exposition, although even

[00:49:53] Osha gets annoyed with Yord. She's like, you already know all this, but we learned that Osha

[00:49:57] left the Order six years ago, which I think is something we need to keep in mind when we're

[00:50:03] trying to piece together timelines later. And she had been there since she was taken from

[00:50:09] this disaster in her home world. We'll be learning about when she was the age of eight.

[00:50:13] And we learn from Tassie that there were doubts about taking her into the Order because she was

[00:50:18] eight years old, which just for to clarify for anyone who doesn't know, that means they thought

[00:50:23] she was too old, not too young, too old. Right, right, right. Which again, it's really questionable

[00:50:30] because it is in part because of indoctrination, right? Will we be able to teach you to let go of

[00:50:36] all your preconceptions? Yeah, absolutely. To quote Bo Burnham, it's problematic.

[00:50:45] Also, the other reason is because there were concerns about the fact that she seems to have

[00:50:49] not been able to fully let go or even maybe it seems like partially let go of this traumatizing

[00:50:55] event from her childhood. But should she have to let go of it? You know, I mean, certainly

[00:51:01] it would help her deal with trauma if she could let go a little bit, but that's part of her,

[00:51:05] right? That's one of her formative experiences. Yeah, yeah. And we get quite a few times in these

[00:51:12] two episodes it's brought up about how Jedi are not supposed to form attachments because

[00:51:18] they lead to clinging and fear, which is very Buddhist actually. But also on the other hand,

[00:51:25] as Saul puts it later, Saul being the Jedi who took in Osha, who saved her when she was a child,

[00:51:32] he says that, you know, it's good to remember the past because that's how you learn from it.

[00:51:37] So it's this duality I think we're going to be exploring in this also.

[00:51:41] Right. I really like how Saul brings that up because it makes it feel and I also like,

[00:51:48] and I know this is in the next scene, but I'll comment on it now. When the one girl sees fire,

[00:51:54] when the one youngling sees fire in the force, he says, yeah, that's there too.

[00:52:01] It's all about balance. And I really like this guy. He is so,

[00:52:06] he's so willing to look at the dark side of the force and acknowledge its existence to avoid using

[00:52:11] it. And that's something that I think other Jedi lack even in this era. I think that other Jedi are

[00:52:19] more fearful of it and even fear of the dark side can lead to the dark side.

[00:52:25] Right. Yeah. So Saul played by Lee Jong Jae, he says that he, so the actor says that he modeled

[00:52:35] Saul after Qui Gong Jin, who's a character who pops up later and you can definitely see that.

[00:52:40] Yeah. Yeah. I've always wanted more Qui Gong, so I'm glad we have this guy.

[00:52:44] Yeah. He learned English just for this part. So basically, Leslie Hedlund saw him in Squid

[00:52:51] Games and she's like, I need you in my show. And he was like, I want to be in Star Wars.

[00:52:56] And so he learned English to do this. Wow.

[00:52:59] Wow. That's impressive.

[00:53:01] Yeah. He does quite a good job too.

[00:53:02] He does. I wouldn't have known that he's such a new English speaker.

[00:53:06] Right. Yeah. I love though, there's the way he frames it as like,

[00:53:10] the fact that you have to, the force is something, it's something powerful and it's something you

[00:53:15] have to respect. It reminds me of when my dad would always say, when we would go to the ocean

[00:53:20] as a kid, he's like, always keep one eye on the ocean. You have to respect it. Do you think though,

[00:53:26] do you see, so the way Saul talks about, he wants the younglings to think of the force as an ocean

[00:53:33] and basically give themselves over to it versus the Sith that are all about seizing the force.

[00:53:41] Doesn't that feel, not to bring up Wheel of Time a second time this episode, but doesn't that feel

[00:53:46] kind of like the distinction between the two types of channeling, Wheel of Time, side R and side N?

[00:53:50] Yeah. Yeah. Bend it to your will or submit to it.

[00:53:54] Right. I like that a lot. Yeah.

[00:53:57] Yeah. It's about that duality, I guess again. And by the way, I just have to shout out for

[00:54:02] hyperpublic fans that there's a character, Elzar man, who likes to talk about the force as an ocean

[00:54:07] who lived about a hundred years before this. So could be that he, that Saul was taught in his line

[00:54:12] or something like that. So just to set up the scene that we've been teasing about. So Master Saul,

[00:54:19] he's teaching younglings to meditate at the main Jedi temple on the capital city planet of Coruscant

[00:54:23] when he is interrupted by an even more revered Jedi master, Vernestra Rowe played by Rebecca

[00:54:28] Henderson. She informs him of his former Padawan, Osha's arrest for Indara's murder. And Saul

[00:54:34] reluctantly agrees to help her investigate this matter though Rowe seems to have already made

[00:54:38] up her mind about Osha's guilt. Saul harbors clear doubts. So yeah, listen to the accolade preview

[00:54:45] for if you want Vernestra's full backstory, but she's basically, she's more than a hundred years

[00:54:50] old at this point in the timeline. She's the one that I said has been a Jedi master since age 15.

[00:54:55] She was the youngest. So she's was seen as a prodigy and a lot of book readers are like,

[00:55:04] what the fuck happened to her personality? She's now suddenly seems like Ms. Bureaucracy.

[00:55:12] We know from the books a hundred years ago, we already know she went through a lot,

[00:55:16] lost a lot of people, had to go- Is this phase one and three?

[00:55:21] Yes. So she ended up leaving, she ended up becoming what's called a way seeker,

[00:55:28] which is not officially leaving the Jedi order, but taking a leave of absence to find herself.

[00:55:34] So we know that she was a more independent thinker before, but now it seems like she's

[00:55:39] officially submitted to I am the Jedi order, must maintain control.

[00:55:46] Yeah. And she does this thing that the Jedi like do sometimes, which is rather than confront

[00:55:51] the darkness within the order, deny it and try to sweep it under the rug.

[00:55:56] Exactly. Which yeah, I can see why. So apparently Leslie Headland, this is the only

[00:56:03] real big crossover character for this season. She says if there's a season two, there will be

[00:56:07] more. But I can see why she says she chose this character because just to show that contrast,

[00:56:14] that contrast between the idealism of youth and what you can be morphed into once you become part

[00:56:19] of the power structure. Okay. I'm into that. I like that. Yeah. We all become

[00:56:26] bureaucrats eventually, don't we? Yes. And I know some people are lamenting that her purple hair is

[00:56:32] gone. She had long purple hair when she was younger and now it's been shaved or it's gone at least.

[00:56:38] And she now has the, she's a Moralin, which later character Barriss Offey is also a Moralin,

[00:56:44] but they are known for having these little diamond, black diamond tattoos that mark life events. And

[00:56:52] we now see a bunch of them on her scalp. So I think we'll probably get the story of what those mean

[00:56:58] and you know, what happened? Yeah. I hope we see more of this character. I think she's,

[00:57:03] she's an interesting concept to explore, especially now that I know that she is

[00:57:09] very different from her book. You. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting to experience her

[00:57:16] in reverse for you. I think. Reverse, reverse.

[00:57:21] Do you think that soul is overly attached to Osha?

[00:57:25] It does seem like he has a different relationship with her than he does with other Padawans, right?

[00:57:32] I mean, it seems like he knows, I mean, he remembered her sister's name.

[00:57:37] Right. Which feels deeper.

[00:57:39] Well, that's probably, yeah, it was probably a memorable event.

[00:57:43] Yeah. That and I guess he was stationed there. So he probably knew the locals before

[00:57:48] this whole thing happened. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, he certainly is like, no, I have to go.

[00:57:54] I have to go. Which reminds me a lot of people later of no, I have to go confront the person

[00:58:00] that I trained. Yeah. Yeah. I do also notice as you're saying, you know, about Vernestra sweeping

[00:58:07] stuff under the rug, she's always asking soul to keep things secret. And I feel like on his own,

[00:58:13] he would not. I agree with that. The soul is very transparent. I mean, I could see other Jedi that

[00:58:19] we've met, you know, saying, well, okay, maybe your sister's alive, but we got to keep this

[00:58:25] under wraps because otherwise I'm going to be ordered to bring you back. So let's not even say

[00:58:29] that I found you. Let's go figure this out before we go report back to the Jedi order. But no, he

[00:58:33] calls the Jedi right away and says, hey, her sister is probably alive. And this allows people to talk,

[00:58:40] right? This allows her to go. Oh, yeah. If you have her and there's another attack elsewhere,

[00:58:45] so she couldn't have done that. Let's go all solve this together. And that's how we avoid

[00:58:49] the comedy of errors. That is House of the Dragon. So what do you mean? Because House of the Dragon,

[00:58:57] most of the conflicts are based off of people not talking to each other.

[00:58:59] Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. No, I always say clear communication.

[00:59:03] And these Jedi actually are pretty clear in their communication to each other, maybe not to the

[00:59:07] public. Right? Yeah. And by the way, I love the establishing shot of the scene where they show

[00:59:13] the exterior shot of the Jedi Temple. And we see that the city of Coruscant has not yet reached up

[00:59:18] to the temple's level. So when we see it later in the timeline, a hundred years later, we see that

[00:59:22] the temples, even with the top levels of Coruscant. So but a hundred years before that now,

[00:59:29] it's still a couple levels below. So the temple is literally over everything else in the city.

[00:59:36] You know, you see the people who buy apartments in New York City and then they build a building

[00:59:44] right in the view of the sun. They get cranky. Imagine buying a top level Primo real estate

[00:59:51] apartment in on Coruscant. Yeah. And then you're like, they're going to build a level right on top

[00:59:57] of you. Yeah. I guess that's been happening for millennia. Yep. Yep. That just stinks.

[01:00:04] You know what else stinks? Being stuck on a prison ship.

[01:00:08] Yep. Yep. So we have Osha in her cell on a prison transfer ship manned only by droids

[01:00:14] and Osha surrounded by hardened criminals. One who is being kept incapacitated by a small

[01:00:19] starfish like creature over his face and the others plot to out overpower the droids running

[01:00:24] the ship and get free. When Osha declines to join the rebellion, they leave her behind after

[01:00:29] critically damaging the ship, sending it hurtling down toward the surface of a snowy planet.

[01:00:35] Osha gets out of her cell with the help of Pip, her droid and starts to run through the last

[01:00:40] escape pod. But then remember as a subdued prisoner, she helps him get free and he thanks

[01:00:44] her by knocking her out of the way and stealing the escape pod, leaving Osha to die. She straps in

[01:00:50] and lands in one piece though the ship is now rebel and Osha wakes up to a shadow running away

[01:00:55] from the wreckage of the ship and she follows the figure out into the snow where she experiences

[01:01:00] visions of her sister as a child and the fire that separated them. Osha confronts this vision

[01:01:05] and may admits to killing Indara in the vision and says she will kill them all. Then Osha wakes up

[01:01:11] back in the prison ship wreckage. So I don't remember too many unmanned prison ships in the

[01:01:20] Clone Wars. Is this why? Maybe, maybe this is the incident that made them go we got to beef up

[01:01:26] security here. Yeah, I mean this would do it right? Yeah, I just can't imagine. I mean maybe if it's a

[01:01:32] time of peace, maybe the Jedi have just gotten really lax at this point. Yeah, I think that

[01:01:37] is definitely part of the case. Yeah, I love though they have introduced like some world

[01:01:43] building elements like they have these pilot droids that turn into chairs. That's really cool.

[01:01:50] They have these new the Dibbuk which are the the parasite quote-unquote a parasite used to subdue

[01:01:55] violent criminals. It does weird stuff to your brain. Yeah and I'm wondering what is that weird

[01:02:01] stuff because they're like he's having a great time. Don't worry about him. He's like tripping.

[01:02:07] And then I love when she shocks it to get it off the guy's face and it flies away. So cool.

[01:02:13] That was cool. And yeah, I like that Osha first of all we learn about her that she does seem like

[01:02:21] a lawful character because she says she has faith in the Jedi and the aliens are like ha ha ha enjoy

[01:02:25] prison. But I also like and this is after a contrast with another show later in the timeline

[01:02:32] that we've talked about recently that I know you had some trouble with this fact John. It's nice

[01:02:36] to see a character struggle with the force. I agree with that. I think this is someone who

[01:02:44] clearly has an ability in the force but has lost touch with it and I like that kind of story. I

[01:02:49] think we see that in some of the video games. Right, right that's true especially the Jedi

[01:02:54] games. Yeah, yeah but we see she can't use the force to grab Pip. She's trying so

[01:03:01] yeah we know she's somehow severed. I guess we'll find out how and why and what

[01:03:06] but and then eventually the ship rolls her way so she gets Pip and gets her out and they land

[01:03:11] on this planet called Karlak which is a location from the Clone Wars where a certain group will

[01:03:17] eventually be based called Death Watch. Good catch. We talked about the Vizslas when talking

[01:03:24] about the Mandalorian in previous episodes and that's during the era of Previzsla and Karlak

[01:03:30] is also mentioned in the High Republic books. So, nice. We also talked about another concept

[01:03:36] in the Old Republic episodes that comes up later in the timeline as well. Do you think

[01:03:41] that they're telling us Osha and May are a force dyad? Good question. So, before we had

[01:03:50] confirmation that May was actually physically alive for a minute I thought maybe that

[01:03:57] Osha was dissociating and becoming like sleep killing Jedi. You know what I mean? Like she had

[01:04:04] and she was so dissociating that she pictured this other version of herself as her dead twin sister.

[01:04:11] Right. And then I was like nah she's just actually alive. That's fine. That's fine.

[01:04:17] Evil twin story. I'm in. Yeah. Well, yeah. Maybe the question will be like who is evil

[01:04:24] or probably neither of them to be honest. Right. They all have things to learn let's say.

[01:04:30] But it's interesting if the Sith are involved in this story then we know from lore throughout the

[01:04:38] Star Wars is that the Sith, the rule of two was in part an attempt to force a force dyad. So,

[01:04:48] and if May has something to do with the Sith and they find out she has a force dyad

[01:04:53] that could make them want to use her as a puppet in a certain way.

[01:05:00] By the way I liked that the young versions were played by real twins,

[01:05:05] Leia and Lauren Brady which I clocked right away because I'm like

[01:05:08] real identical twins aren't actually carbon copies of each other.

[01:05:13] Right, right for sure.

[01:05:14] That you can sell them apart but it makes sense to use Amandla Stenberg in two roles. I'm not

[01:05:20] against that at all.

[01:05:21] I mean don't tell like every sitcom ever that twins are not completely identical because then

[01:05:26] that'll ruin all these things like Sister, Sister. You ever watch that one? I used to watch that.

[01:05:30] Oh yeah. I used to love that. Yeah. My sister and I used to watch it. Get it?

[01:05:36] I'm sure we did for real. But I love, yeah speaking of the Sister Bond,

[01:05:41] this poem, this creepy poem. So they say,

[01:05:44] You're with me, I'm with you, always one but born as two.

[01:05:48] As above sits the stars and below lies the seas. I give you you and you give me me.

[01:05:54] And then at the end of the poem the vision of May's characters eyes turn black.

[01:05:59] Spooky.

[01:06:00] That does feel very much like forced,

[01:06:04] like this feels like someone else is orchestrating this almost.

[01:06:08] Maybe someone's already manipulating the forced die out. Although May doesn't

[01:06:13] seem to know in the next episode that her sister's alive.

[01:06:15] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:18] Yeah but I wonder if it's just a one-way street over here for now.

[01:06:22] Well it's also, it's interesting.

[01:06:24] So New Rock Stars pointed out that the way the little girls say this is they're sharing

[01:06:30] the last lines back and forth. And so the way they say it is both times May saying,

[01:06:35] I give you you and Osha saying you give me me. So it's only May giving Osha Osha.

[01:06:42] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:44] That could mean nothing but I thought it was an interesting point that he made.

[01:06:47] That is interesting.

[01:06:49] So meanwhile Saul's current Padawan, Jackie Lon played by Daphne Keene as we talked about,

[01:06:55] collects her master to bring him to the detainment level to interrogate the

[01:06:58] prison ship escapees who have already been recaptured. They claim Osha started it all

[01:07:04] until Saul mind tricks them into telling him the real story. Finestra says that still doesn't

[01:07:09] clear Osha's separate murder charges but Finestra assumes Osha died in the crash.

[01:07:14] Jackie has a lot of questions about Osha and Saul explains that he was stationed on the planet

[01:07:18] Brendok 16 years ago and he says it was May who started the fire in Osha's visions,

[01:07:24] a fire that killed their entire family and village. Jackie and Yord are surprised to

[01:07:29] learn Osha has a twin because May is not listed in the Jedi records. Jackie and Yord are also

[01:07:34] told that Osha was a Jedi and that he was a Jedi himself. But they don't know if Osha was a Jedi

[01:07:39] or not. Jackie asks if May could be the real killer but Saul is sure he saw May die. When

[01:07:48] the Jedi ship shows up, Osha runs, eventually cornered on a cliff where she almost falls

[01:07:53] before Saul catches her with the Force. When she tells him she knows May is alive,

[01:07:57] Saul believes her and believes her innocence. They all leave together.

[01:08:10] When they showed up at the Nemoidian ship, it's a Jedi vector. So Jedi starfighters during the

[01:08:16] High Republic era, they had a weapons system requirements that you had to use a lightsaber

[01:08:21] as a key so no one but a Jedi could unlock them. I'm not like a ship aficionado. So again,

[01:08:28] if people have more expertise in that, that's like a whole thing on its own.

[01:08:32] So I'd love to hear other people's breakdowns of that. And of course, we get a reference to

[01:08:38] Jedi mind tricks, which only work on the weak minded, which I think applies to these prisoners.

[01:08:44] I love Saul doing that quiet your mind. And it's so casual.

[01:08:49] It feels very in line with the original Jedi mind tricks we saw.

[01:08:54] Right. Which was again, well, no, now I'm thinking of Qui-Gon, but that's not the original we saw.

[01:09:01] Right. Right.

[01:09:02] We do learn from the High Republic comics that the Jedi temple has a detention center

[01:09:07] with Sith containment cells. And this is like a multi level high security prison

[01:09:13] in the temple on Coruscant. It was built centuries before this to detain the Sith

[01:09:18] and their allies. And so it's a massive complex. But it's also especially designed to hold

[01:09:25] force wielders. So if we see a force wielder there, it's going to be difficult for them to

[01:09:31] get out because they use cortosis reinforced dura treat in rare force resistant alloys.

[01:09:38] And so cortosis is, it's kind of like the vibranium of Star Wars in that it's super

[01:09:44] durable once it's processed, it's really flaky when you first mine it. But once it's processed,

[01:09:49] it has special properties that it absorbs and diffuses energy basically. So it will dissipate

[01:09:59] a blaster bolt on contact, for example. And it can even short out a Jedi's lifesaver,

[01:10:05] but it can be overcharged. So it's not endless, there's ways to get around it.

[01:10:11] But just saying if we find people back here, then that's what we're dealing with.

[01:10:20] We've got more hiding of Jedi records going on. We've got Jackie again, who's a Thelin human

[01:10:27] hybrid. We talked about that a lot in the Acolyte Prep episode. And of course, we've got

[01:10:32] the, we also talked about the two types of robes, the golden and white temple formal robes. Like you

[01:10:38] see Yord when he goes to talk to the Nemoidians, that's like an official visit. So he's in white.

[01:10:45] But then when Sol and the others are going on a missions, they wear brown robes over that because

[01:10:51] that's their mission robes. Yeah, that's cool. And I'm a sucker for a Jedi throwing off an outer

[01:10:59] robe to fight harder. I love that. Yeah. We also get some extra fashion for the Hive Republic.

[01:11:11] I love those belts that they have. And the Padawans, they get a pop of color. So you'll see

[01:11:17] Jackie has like a green Obi behind her belt because she has a green lightsaber.

[01:11:22] They're all about accessorizing. Yes. Yeah. They had, I guess with the time of peace,

[01:11:27] they had more time to put together their looks. I wonder if they have like a hollow deck,

[01:11:34] you know, they go to the fashion store. There's like actual Jedi fashion stores.

[01:11:38] They're like, all right, let's look at the hollow deck. Here's what you would look like with these

[01:11:41] earrings and all that. Right. Yeah, there should be. Or like Clueless had that where she has a

[01:11:48] computer and puts herself in all the outfits. But speaking of, so we have hollow picks and Sol's

[01:11:53] looking at one of Osha and Jackie's like, why are you creeping on your former Padawan? This

[01:12:00] encourages sentimentality and nostalgia, which lead to attachment. And Sol's like, listen,

[01:12:05] past memories can serve as lessons. And if they don't meditate on the past,

[01:12:09] they're doomed to repeat their mistakes. And Jackie finishes this last sentence. So

[01:12:14] I'm guessing they've had this, this conversation before, but I do notice with her throughout this,

[01:12:18] like she's more relaxed when Sol's not around. And when Sol walks in the room,

[01:12:22] she's immediately like, look how serious and good I am. Yeah. I see both sides of this because.

[01:12:32] And also I'm disturbed by the idea of repeating mistakes. Like does he does Sol know something

[01:12:39] about what happened on Mae's home planet that Mae knows, but Osha does not.

[01:12:47] But I do wonder, he seems less guilt-ridden than the other three Jedi on Mae's list.

[01:12:52] Right. What if they knew something and he didn't?

[01:12:55] But did you notice Jackie, she's not thrilled about Yord coming and she's constantly giving

[01:13:01] Yord cheek, which is delightful actually. But it's kind of funny because they seem similar in

[01:13:06] some ways, you know, they both seem like we are rule followers. And of course this is,

[01:13:12] this is the scene where we get that a shirtless scene that the entire internet's going crazy over.

[01:13:17] Oh my God.

[01:13:19] Sexy star wars incoming.

[01:13:20] Give them the eye candy. It's fine.

[01:13:23] Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. We can handle it. I think, yeah, there's good. There's going to be like the

[01:13:30] old axiom. If evil, why hot may apply? I'm sorry. I don't mean Yord horde. I don't mean to like paint

[01:13:37] your guy in a bad light. I'm suspicious of everyone, but maybe especially him.

[01:13:41] I'm fine with painting him in a bad light. I'm, I, you know, he could be good. He could just be

[01:13:45] annoying, but yeah, I I'm, I'm suspicious for sure. Cause he's, he's just too attached to the rules

[01:13:54] and that feels like someone who has something to hide.

[01:13:58] Yeah. And he's very trigger happy throughout this. Um, and like for Nestor, he's sure. Oh,

[01:14:03] she must've died in the crash, which I think the reason she didn't is because the ship skids when

[01:14:08] it lands. So that definitely saved her. It is interesting that for Nestor sends probe droids,

[01:14:13] which is something we associate with, uh, with the quote unquote bad guys using later in the timeline.

[01:14:20] Yeah.

[01:14:21] But the episode ends with may who meets with someone along the water,

[01:14:26] someone dressed all in black with a black Cape, a mask painted with a chilling smile

[01:14:30] and wielding a red lightsaber. And as may approaches this person, they say the Jedi live

[01:14:35] in a dream, a dream. They believe everyone shares. If you attack a Jedi with a weapon,

[01:14:40] you will fail steel or laser are no threat to them. But an acolyte and acolytes kills without

[01:14:47] a weapon and acolyte kills the dream. So yeah, very Scyth post rule of two. Let's like,

[01:14:56] let's yeah, let's expose the corruption and uh, right, right from within. Um, but I have a feeling

[01:15:03] for may it's at least as much about personal revenge as of killing the dream. And that might

[01:15:08] be a conflict for her going forward. Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I think, I think that's right. I think

[01:15:15] she, it says in the intro, right? In the opening crawl, like she's risking exposure.

[01:15:20] So this does seem to be against the mission of her order. Right?

[01:15:25] Yeah. And um, may so far as obviously she's, uh, she's failed to kill without using a weapon,

[01:15:32] but the major thing that everyone's talking about going out of this is who is inside that helmet.

[01:15:38] We've got a voice distorter, so it could really be anyone. It doesn't have to be a man.

[01:15:42] I've heard theories that it could be there's prominent sets, uh,

[01:15:45] Tenebrous and Plagueis, which we talked about in the previous, uh, in the preview episode

[01:15:50] could be chime here. Uh, one of the witches that we saw in the trailers or so I've even seen Indara

[01:15:56] herself, uh, suggested, um, or Yord or, uh, how interesting would it be if it were a Venestra?

[01:16:04] It's not likely. And I think people would get upset, but it would be interesting just to see.

[01:16:08] Yeah, that, that feels too cheap for me. I hope not.

[01:16:12] So we see may she's got a purple cloak, which is known for, you know, it combines the red and the

[01:16:17] blue. It's kind of showing maybe a moral ambiguity and Venestra also wields a purple saber. And

[01:16:23] there is something from legends lore that says that purple savers like the one that, um, that

[01:16:31] mace window has later in the timeline, that they are purple because it's someone is able to

[01:16:36] kind of wield the light side and the dark side and balance in the same time.

[01:16:41] Um, so Venestra's her lightsaber, which we'll definitely see an action. It's light purple,

[01:16:46] but I don't know, just, just calling attention to it just in case there's something there

[01:16:50] because we're definitely seeing from, we even see from her at a younger age that she will break the

[01:16:56] rules if she thinks it's for the best. And there's a certain absolutism in her. So, um, I'm wary of

[01:17:02] her as well right now, even though she's a hero earlier on. Yeah, I, I am, I'm suspicious of

[01:17:10] everybody. I think you're right. I think that's the right call. Yeah. And, uh, I have to point

[01:17:16] out Mobius on our discord said the look of the helmet reminds me of Abeloff, which is, I think

[01:17:22] Abeloff is like the Mephisto of modern Star Wars. We talk about her in the, um, we talk about her

[01:17:27] in the dawn of the Jedi episode, if for anyone who's curious, but just saying it could be, I

[01:17:32] think Abeloff it's going to come into effect later in the timeline, like she does in the legends

[01:17:38] books, but just putting it out there. It's not a bad call. Right? Yeah. That's, that's a cool poll.

[01:17:46] I like it. I'm, I'm very curious to find out who this person is. Yeah, definitely. Aren't we all so

[01:17:52] say we all it's actually Merrick. It's just a, you know, a cloud of dark side. Right. A lot of shadow.

[01:18:02] Yeah. Oh, is that, is that too much? No, I, yeah, I made a joke about Merrick in the preview episode.

[01:18:10] Okay. Okay.

[01:18:11] Okay. So John and I just had a little conference, uh, off air. And since we,

[01:18:22] since we are going so long, there's so much to break down in this first double episode.

[01:18:26] What we're actually going to do is we're going to pause here for now. And, uh, we're just going to

[01:18:33] release this on its own as the episode one breakdown. And tomorrow we will gather back

[01:18:40] and, and, uh, do episode two and release that then separately. So just for this first week.

[01:18:45] So guess what? You'll get two episodes this week. Yay. What a day. What a day.

[01:18:55] All right. So what's six podcasts on the main feed now? Anyway, go ahead.

[01:18:59] Yeah. So we're, we're going to, for now, we're going to skip over all of the outro stuff,

[01:19:04] save that for tomorrow's episode. Um, just there's a link in the show notes to all of the other

[01:19:10] podcasts that we're going to tell you more about tomorrow and to the discord and the Patreon and

[01:19:16] supercasts and all that fun stuff. And we, as always deeply appreciate our discord server boosters

[01:19:23] and our Laura masters. We promise we will thank you individually tomorrow.

[01:19:28] All right. Anything to add for episode one before we skedaddle for now?

[01:19:33] This got me so hyped for the season and I'm so excited for it. I can't believe people were

[01:19:36] review bombing because boy, is this a good series and you're missing out if you're not watching it.

[01:19:42] Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. If you haven't watched yet, you have time to catch up before our next

[01:19:46] episode so we don't spoil too. Yep. Yep. All right. All right. We'll see you tomorrow.

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