David and John recap a somber episode of The Pitt.
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00:17 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Lorraine's podcast.
00:19 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We are still waiting on peeds to take Baby Jane Doe.
00:24 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to put some spin on that.
00:25 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to put Dana spin on that.
00:26 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Baby Jane Doe.
00:28 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Jane Doe.
00:29 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
00:30 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Dana.
00:31 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's a great character.
00:32 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the actress is doing a great job.
00:34 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But is the accent.
00:37 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that accent?
00:38 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It is all over the place.
00:40 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Loving it.
00:40 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Loving a baby Jane Doe.
00:44 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm John.
00:45 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: My core temp is doing just fine.
00:47 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you and I'm David and I could just use some water if you had some where I'm thirsty.
00:52 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very hot in here Actually it's the opposite of hot here right now, but that's besides the point.
00:56 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is our coverage of episode seven of season two of the pit.
01:01 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the one PM hour
01:03 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And John, we've sort of slowly been getting sucked into the shot.
01:08 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, slow, fast, whatever.
01:09 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were kind of starting out, oh, we'll just do a half hour vibe check on this.
01:14 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And now I've got like a 16 page outline.
01:17 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've got what I show that every time we're running it.
01:21 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like every time we're like, we're just going to dip our toe in, man.
01:25 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we held okay on what was the Ted Lasso on Ted Lasso I think we kept it tight.
01:33 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, kaleidoscope, I think that was, you know, there was other reasons there.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember kaleidoscope?
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I've actually blocked that out of my memory.
01:42 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry, I retryed myself.
01:45 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize for that.
01:47 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, well, um, we're going to be talking about a lot of trauma of this episode.
01:51 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should just quickly say, uh, you know, there, there is a sexual assault subject matter in this episode, um, and it's, it's a big part of this episode.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just no way around it.
02:04 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
02:04 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I was originally going to suggest that we like sequester it to part of the episode, but because it's so integral to this whole episode of the show.
02:15 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that there's a way around just giving a trigger warning for this whole podcast.
02:19 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, fair enough.
02:20 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's actually a couple of other difficult topics embedded in this, just little minor visuals and a phrase, a name of something or something.
02:31 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this one, this is part of my hot take, which was on reflection.
02:36 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This episode's a little bit darker or not darker.
02:39 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the right way.
02:40 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of stuff in here that I was like, oh, there's like a bunch of second and third order stuff in here that wasn't apparent at surface.
02:48 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot of very sobering stuff in this episode.
02:51 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:52 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I will say like if you watched the episode and you and this was bothering you the whole episode and or you know, something that you didn't want to, you know, think about this episode.
03:02 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You're probably not here listening to a podcast, but if you happen to for some reason get here after not being okay with the episode I would just skip this episode of the podcast and just come back and see us next week indeed and I think we'll
03:19 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know that I'm, there's certain things that I'm comfortable talking about and there's certain things that I'm not necessarily comfortable talking about or talking in a way of talking about it.
03:30 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy to talk about some of the history of like collection kids and
03:35 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: some other things, but then it's like, as it strays into some other areas around the impact of sexual assault, especially quaintance related, I get a little bit nervous just because it's very easy on a podcast to say something and it kind of spins the wrong way.
03:55 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: versus the way that it was intended.
03:57 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just wanted to really be mindful of my own language and my own approach to it, so that we don't reactivate something for somebody because, but 48%, 49% of the population is our, you know, identify as women and how many, yeah, like it's a big issue and it's not often talked about and I just want to be very,
04:18 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: As a man and a heterosexual man, I just want to be very mindful of the voice that I'm using given that we have, you know, a podcast and microphones and such.
04:26 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely right, you know, if we say something out of ignorance on the episode, which I think we both really try not to do.
04:32 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if we're to write a try and then we say something and it's like, oops, yeah.
04:37 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, feel free to write in with, you know, any feedback that you have for us,
04:45 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to write in about anything else, of course, you can send an email.
04:50 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you already make this email address, David?
04:52 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I will immediately have to set that up.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot to get it done.
04:56 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, PTMCatthelorhounds.com is where you can send your emails, or you can just go to the Discord server, which is linked to the show notes, where you can chat about it with all your fellow pitheads.
05:09 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of pitheads in the world, too.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been monitoring the reddits.
05:14 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: in man.
05:14 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: This show is unbelievable, the amount of the volume of commentary and the action.
05:22 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like really becoming a cultural phenomenon.
05:25 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: People love medical dramas and people love quality television.
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And this show is then diagramming that pretty perfectly.
05:33 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's something where, like, you know, we cover a lot of shows where there's lore behind it, hence the name, the lore hounds.
05:39 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is, you know, you don't need to learn any lore to jump into this.
05:43 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You could just jump in.
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:45 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
05:45 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And the show will tell you what you need to know.
05:47 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right away.
05:48 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
05:49 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
05:50 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Um.
05:51 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we just lean into our hot takes from here, yeah, and as I was saying before, there are these second and third layer things, so not only is there the sexual assault storyline, but there's a self-harm flat moment there with more characters with Santos in the bathroom.
06:10 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a mention of a hospital in Kabul, which I have got a not a deep dive on, but I have some historical and contextual information about that.
06:18 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We have the issue of ransomware, which is like a really scary thing that's impacting hospitals.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I did a little bit of reading on that.
06:24 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of information.
06:25 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly statistics.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have some context on it.
06:29 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this whole other question of death with dignity.
06:33 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think is what's happening with, oh, what's her name to my, uh, Roxie.
06:41 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Roxie, thanks.
06:41 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:41 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a big list of all the patients down here at the bottom.
06:45 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we may be going there.
06:47 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll say.
06:50 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a working theory for what's going on with Dr. Al Hashimi.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll get to it when we get to that.
06:56 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, yeah, there was just a we have a ramping up of the stakes.
07:03 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have some more character development of in all Hashimi and in Santos, there was sort of a rebalancing there, meanwhile we have Robbie and Langden, Langden, you know, it's interesting.
07:16 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you called it out very early on that all Hashimi and Robbie are going to mirror each other this season.
07:24 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're kind of seeing this back and forth between, like, say, with Santos and Alhashimi and Langdon and Robby, this sort of sloshing back and forth.
07:32 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:33 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's all super interesting.
07:36 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was just noticing when I did my second watch.
07:39 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, we're leaning into the show a little bit more.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing a second watch.
07:43 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking more notes.
07:45 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll slow down on recording.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So we,
07:48 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So that we have more time, so to actually approach the show in a little bit deeper level.
07:55 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But on my second watch, I was noticing all of these small little details, like Mr. Diaz sitting in his hospital room when we were at the desk talking with some other people.
08:05 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Or there was this little scene of Robby cleaning his watch, right, for you know, the blood on his watch band.
08:12 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Or in another scene, we see Mohan and Abbott standing and talking together at a computer terminal in the central area after she's patched him up.
08:21 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're doing a really good job of creating dimensionality to this.
08:27 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So even though our primary camera is following a particular
08:35 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: constantly going on and there's lots of richness and detail in this.
08:39 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can really see why people are leaning into the show and it's got everything right, you know.
08:45 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we're shipping, Mohan and Abbott and we've got interpersonal drama and we have medical drama and we have sociological, stuff happening, sociologically wide stuff.
08:58 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Elis made an appearance again in this episode.
09:01 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think this is a shit show.
09:04 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say that.
09:05 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
09:06 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a mentor shipping at the most.
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think it's that kind of show.
09:12 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
09:12 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like grazing out of me would have absolutely been like and well ready on that, but I just don't think that that's what the show does.
09:20 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will push back gently.
09:23 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a screenshot that I took and I posted in our channel on our Discord for conversation.
09:28 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Of Dr. Mohan giving Abbott a look after he says I'll pay for the Uber or whatever, you know, I'll pay for it.
09:37 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And she looks at him like,
09:39 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She's hungry thirsty.
09:41 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was more admiration But I went free.
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I went free.
09:45 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I pulled the shot go to the discord channel and she is looking like.
09:50 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna break you, dude I'm gonna take you down.
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: She's all right.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
09:55 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I did enjoy Robby walking past the room.
09:58 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's touching us That's turned into a meme instantly.
10:01 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
10:01 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No The way he leans back and then he's like, you know what?
10:05 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Not my problem.
10:06 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm walking away
10:07 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So perfect.
10:08 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know anything about what's happening in that room and then later Santos and how Hashimia are walking by in Santos does a double take
10:16 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's great.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so what did you think of the episode besides?
10:21 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was great and also very sad.
10:24 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, yeah, I was like, wow, this is really masterfully masterful storytelling.
10:29 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to watch it again because it was just so upsetting.
10:32 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the best step.
10:34 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, we have this whole thing with the guy who can't afford his health insurance.
10:41 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We have, you know, Abbott and Alhashimi
10:46 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, all Hashimi, you know, possibly having maybe a neurological issue, something like that.
10:53 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We have Santos' self-harm, and then we have the main trauma, which is, you know, we're dealing with a sexual assault victim in the entire episode, and not only is the sexual assault victim having a really hard time, obviously, but Dana is, you know, having a hard time to be with us.
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's being affected by it.
11:12 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did think that it was done in a way that was very sensitive and very, and I thought it said something new that I haven't seen before, which is, you know, we talk a lot about, well, a lot of women don't report their sexual assaults, right?
11:30 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The reason and a lot of people don't realize this is just that, like, you have to relive the trauma.
11:35 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_00]: in the exam room right like and and now this is twice now since you've been in the exam room where this woman has been asked to repeat the trauma that happened to her to re-explain it right to Dana to the advocate that comes in and then if she chooses to report she has to talk to the police again right not only that but she has to get this like really in-depth
12:00 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_00]: exam.
12:01 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to put masks on and be super impersonal about it because of the lack of contamination.
12:08 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It puts up a barrier and makes you feel like a specimen instead of a person that applies to objectified again.
12:16 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that what they're trying to say with it is even when you have someone really empathetic and really kind like Dana and skilled and skilled,
12:27 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if everyone does everything by the book and right and kind, it's still traumatic.
12:34 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no way around that trauma.
12:36 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It is just a horrendous process for the victim.
12:40 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's interesting, right?
12:43 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a new thing that you're saying.
12:44 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're not saying that just the crime was the trauma you're saying that even if everyone after the crime had the best of intentions at his doing their best in doing their kindest,
12:54 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: it is still a horrendous experience right that that I think is worth saying and that is not bringing sexual assault into an episode just to have shock value that is bringing it into say something new right and then when we think about the broader picture of it this is only
13:22 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: only part of a very long process that goes through the crime reporting aspect of it and then if it gets moved to if the state or the city or whoever chooses you know the district attorney or whatever the prosecuting attorneys pick up the case they do a whole investigation
13:45 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you actually move into the courtroom environment, we have that whole process.
13:53 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then even after that,
13:56 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a whole process depending on what happens to that person, whether they're convicted or not, and whether they're registered on a list, whether they're incarcerated or not, there's all kinds of victim, you know, like we have to notify you before they get out of jail and, you know, all these kinds of things.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
14:14 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not a moment of the incident can stretch years and years and years across somebody's life.
14:26 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: when Dana says, you know, this won't define you, it's like damn, that's kind of a bitter sweet sentiment.
14:35 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that moment, because she's trying to it feels empty, right?
14:38 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: When you look at the totality of what's going on, I know that Dana meant her best by that.
14:45 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this is affecting her too.
14:47 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: She breaks down and tears the minute it was a lot, right?
14:51 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The minute a lot of leaves the room, Dana's breaking down and tears.
14:57 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: you like you're saying this process is it just takes years and and you have so much sympathy for a lot of and what Dana saying this won't define you like in the long term she could be right but but it's not going to feel like that to a lot of for at least a couple years at least right at least and and on the day of the incident it's really it's a tough thing
15:22 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to give a quick shout out to Tina Levelv.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't pronounce her last name.
15:27 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's LVLEV, according to IMDB.
15:31 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure exactly how to pronounce that series or consonants, so I apologize.
15:35 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But she's an American actress and get this.
15:37 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She plays Night Sister Marin in the video games, Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, and Jedi Star Wars Jedi Survivor.
15:46 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've played the first one, and I've read the book that's a spin-off.
15:50 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
15:51 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool character.
15:52 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not realize it was her until you posted that in the discord.
15:55 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:56 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But, and see, you can give those lightning fast insights on the discord.
16:00 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, head on to the discord, sure.
16:02 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, I mean, I thought she did a great job this episode.
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: She's great as Marin, so it's called to make that connection.
16:09 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really next level acting that she's doing because she's dealing with the embarrassment and the anger and the frustration.
16:15 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: She's trying to keep a stiff up or lip during the examination process, but keeping her emotions into it.
16:24 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: As an actor, her portrayal is next level, like to be like award-winning next-level subtlety in how she's conveying what this character is going through.
16:36 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: the way that she is portraying someone who is feeling huge emotions, but trying to keep a straight face and keep calm and chill about it.
16:48 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
16:49 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Try to act like it's not taking over her whole mentality right now.
16:55 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I this thought I was very impressive like you're
17:03 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Since we're here, let's just finish up this topical area and then move on and yeah, I think that's right.
17:08 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get it, get it completed.
17:12 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Another note that I had, did you have any other hot takes for the episode or are you?
17:17 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's very sad.
17:20 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just overall really sad episode.
17:23 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, we get the amazing setup of let's go analog maybe.
17:31 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: No AI subplot for this going forward, so.
17:35 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I really wonder, but so here's my prediction for that, is that she's going to be humbled a bit on the AI stuff, but at the same time her patient passports are going to be a life-saving thing.
17:48 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting, I like that because they're going to have everybody's procedure is written now Gotcha, and it's going to help them actually.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a great insight I hadn't even thought about that totally because they were using it.
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They they set it up in the Comedicly, yeah, with them.
18:02 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody using them as fan to fan themselves in the waiting room Good, it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be a win some loose some such a waste for Dr. Al Hashimi.
18:12 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
18:12 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it a lot
18:14 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: back to Ilana really quick and then we can move on to the rest of the outline.
18:19 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought having Emma as the teaching nurse, you know, as the as the new nurse was is a great functional element for the exposition that we the audience need to be able to enter into this
18:36 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: situation, which is complex and difficult.
18:39 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And she Dana checks in with Emma a couple of times, like look if you need a break, or are you sure you ready for this?
18:46 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
18:46 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she gets to explain the things that we need, and obviously she's explaining to Elana.
18:51 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think structurally as a story, as a written story, for television, they did a masterful job at sort of navigating and having entry points for us.
19:03 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: as the audience to begin to engage.
19:06 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think even then without calling it a trigger warning in the show, they give us the warning that we need to say, hey, we're going to be talking about this Emma.
19:18 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If you need to not watch this, if you need to not participate, let me know and you can step out.
19:23 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And that sort of works for us as a television audience saying, oh, maybe I shouldn't watch this if this is something that's really close to me.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well done, like it's just really, really good writing.
19:36 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And to figure that they did this hit within a year, right?
19:39 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They were already writing these episodes, you know, as last season was finishing.
19:43 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:44 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They're performing the last couple episodes while the season was starting.
19:48 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is like 2010 TV, baby.
19:51 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly what we're going for.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
19:54 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked when, you know, she starts talking about the same position.
19:58 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
19:58 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And Dr. Ohish Al-Hashimi says to Emma, oh, that's about to settle in to go get certified.
20:05 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
20:06 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is, you know, when the show wants to,
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: give us social commentary.
20:12 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They put the social commentary right in front of us.
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're not enough of saying certified people in the world.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else.
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I did a little reading about the the same thing.
20:26 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was saying, Saint.
20:27 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, that's it.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good acronym.
20:29 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's as I had some titles on, so I never remember.
20:32 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to have some titles on for day.
20:34 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: What the hell is she saying?
20:35 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 50-50 was my subtitles.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I never watched without subtitles.
20:41 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you are of your generation.
20:42 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Never ever.
20:43 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a thing.
20:44 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You and the boomers have something in common, turning on subtitles.
20:48 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I can.
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Exers are stuck in the middle.
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I do have the one replay thing, which I like.
20:52 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I can then just hit 10 seconds back in the middle, turn it on.
20:55 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's good with the Roku, but let me take a tangent here.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a Roku set up.
21:00 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.
21:01 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And on the same TV, I switched back to an old Apple TV 4K.
21:04 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I had set it around.
21:05 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
21:06 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks better.
21:07 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: On the same exact TV, it's absolutely better looking.
21:12 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Which Roku?
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the Roku Ultra.
21:15 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like the Good Roku.
21:16 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
21:17 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
21:17 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I wonder why this is a thing.
21:21 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a Roku sound bar, which I like, actually.
21:24 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So, work's well.
21:26 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we don't have a very fancy set up on my house, so it's good enough.
21:29 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, back to St. Nurses.
21:33 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you need to be a registered nurse with a couple of years experience, then there's about 40 hours of class work.
21:41 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then anywhere, I saw a range of anywhere between 40 and 90 hours of practical,
21:47 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: work before you can pass a sort of board certified test, right?
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, uh, the your certification test.
21:54 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that varies by state because, you know, the nursing licenses are all state-based.
21:59 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
22:00 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got it.
22:01 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
22:01 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why it would be listed that.
22:03 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there are adult and sadly pediatric subspecialties, right?
22:07 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you, I think you default into one, but if you take the other, you can.
22:11 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this whole interplay, which we saw with Dr. Alhashimian and Dana doing the collection cap between stabilizing a patient and doing the forensic collection for evidentiary purposes.
22:26 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like, you know, when you have a patient who has life-threatening injuries, and then when the two things happen, there's this whole interplay, it gets rather complex, which is why you need a lot of experience and a lot of management.
22:40 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There was something that was brought up on the discord as well about, you know, when when Danish took a break, these kits can be saved and not, you know, if the person doesn't want to report it, these kits can be saved and then used later, uh, depending on statute of limitations and all that kind of stuff.
22:58 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But because they are admissible by evidence as evidence in a court,
23:03 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: the collect that you have to have strict chain of custard right.
23:07 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And so in Dana says I can't leave the room once I break the seal on the spot.
23:11 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: She can't leave again until Elana says we're done and then she seals up all of that evidence and then signs off on it.
23:20 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Then she can go back to helping in the rest of the hospital.
23:24 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:25 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so they lose their charge winners too for a little while, which is tough.
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
23:31 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the issues though with this, you know, these rape gets is that they were sitting for a really long time and not being tested.
23:41 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:41 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that there's been a push law reform, but there's been a push to reform in the last like 10 years, where now people are, so there was a certain amount of
23:54 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Africa and there's been a push to extend or eliminate the time frame where they can throw them out.
24:03 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
24:04 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, they were like people are, you know, unable to access the the proof that they have.
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:10 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that was that was a huge issue.
24:12 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this goes back to your earlier point that you started to bring up, which is, you know, there's the trauma of the incident itself and then there's the institutional
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, processes, which can retraumatize.
24:25 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But like how do we have a particular, we have an adversarial criminal system, right?
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:31 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And it has forms and procedures, which weren't necessarily designed to address this type of crime.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The effect that this type of crime has on an individual.
24:42 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:43 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, really complex.
24:45 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The rape kits were developed in the 70s in Chicago, Martha Marty Goddard.
24:51 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole great Wikipedia article on this, and I would encourage folks to go check it out.
24:56 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was a guy named Louis the Tullo,
25:02 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: who was a police sergeant and the chief micro-analyst at the city's crime lab.
25:07 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Now there seemed to be a lot of animosity between Goddard and Vatulo.
25:12 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Goddard brought it to Vatulo.
25:14 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Vatulo wasn't very kind and the reception of it.
25:18 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And then tried to take credit for it and then through, you know, just through people being present to history.
25:23 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: we kind of see the dual development, but the two low did do a lot of work to standardize and create systems around the collection gets themselves to make them, you know, highly functional.
25:36 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's basically a collection of boxes and Microsoft slides and plastic bags.
25:41 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: to collect things like clothing fibers, hairs, saliva, and other bodily fluids in this very proceduralized process and the idea is that you go through it in a particular order.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: so that you don't miss steps, right?
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, yeah.
25:59 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So that that way when the evidence is used later on, it's whole, and it's as whole as complete and complete as it is possible, given the circumstances during the time of collection.
26:12 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and I'm really surprised, it's only in the 70s that these things were invented.
26:16 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, because there was just a big problem in Chicago.
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a lack of,
26:24 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: prosecuting these crimes, but then again going back to our current legal system, you need the evidence to be able to bring into court to prosecute crimes.
26:34 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very developing that time.
26:36 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's very interesting.
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I was not aware of the history behind it.
26:42 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, you know, yeah, it's something where you need it to function in this
26:53 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_00]: in personal.
26:55 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's where you have somebody like Dana, who, I mean, she's probably who knows what her personal experience is, but just the fact that she is a care provider who has to do this kind of work, how many times has she done it, how many lives, so she's seen impacted by this type of crime.
27:17 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, she may not even ever have had a direct experience
27:23 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: in that regard, but we know that she's been assaulted, we know that she's had it hard, so in some ways, and so she could just be feeling the weight of it, and just the fact that she has to deal with this as a person, and we see the impact of all kinds of medical trauma on Robbie, on Abbott, on all of our characters here, so.
27:47 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm just remembering too is Dana went asked by Langdon if she pressed charges against Right, you got you assaulted her who punched her last season.
27:57 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: She said, nah, I didn't want to go through all that.
28:01 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Good catch.
28:03 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder, I wonder if that's, you know, playing into this a little bit.
28:07 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
28:08 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
28:08 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And she went for it when that guy grabbed Emma's wrist.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: She was, yeah.
28:13 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But she maintained professionalism in the sense of not like, you know.
28:18 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Rolling him out of the emergency department right kick in the crap out of him anyway right.
28:24 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: She yelled at him in whatever that accent is maybe she learned her accent from the floor and signing out.
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she did.
28:30 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So he had my guy ver and Florence Nightingale.
28:33 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know much about Florence Nightingale before?
28:35 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew the name and the why but I didn't know anything about her.
28:39 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I did a little reading again on this.
28:41 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So she was a British nurse who led a team in what is now in STEM.
28:49 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Istanbul during the Crimean War, which lasted from 1854 to 1856.
28:55 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And when she got there, they found these filthy overcrowded conditions, and they were a lot of patients dying from infection and disease rather than their battle wounds.
29:07 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So she, like Emma said, is sort of the founder of modern nursing, and not only in terms of instituting basic sanitation, because this was sort of pre germ theory stuff or early germ theory stuff.
29:23 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: but also in, you know, thinking about statistics and patient care and being able to use statistics to measure the effect of, hey, let's separate the beds a little bit.
29:35 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's provide a little bit more ventilation.
29:38 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's wash their linens, you know, so doing these basic things and then being able to measure that with statistics, measure that the impact, she was really at the center of that.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And the doctor comes in and says, Foolish woman, the people's humors are out.
29:53 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And out of order.
29:55 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
29:57 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the soldiers nicknamed her the lady with the lamp, because she would do her rounds at night with this little lamp, check her patients as she went.
30:06 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, Florence Nightingale, an actual historic figure.
30:10 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Unlike McGyver, I'm like our friend, McGyver, who we got a name dropped the other day.
30:16 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
30:18 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, interesting background more, and amazing that Dana's been working with us on.
30:23 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that could be her room, but that's right, I'm sorry.
30:28 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Good God.
30:33 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-oh.
30:34 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you hear that?
30:35 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard it.
30:35 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you might have maybe marked that.
30:37 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the, that is all the snow from the front side of my house releasing and uh, uh, dropping onto the ground itself.
30:45 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
30:45 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to mark her.
30:46 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: David has to go to the pit because he's been injured, struck by his snow.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I promise.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I promise.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:54 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That was exciting.
30:55 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've gotten used to it, but that one was quite big, but it does.
31:00 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a freight train running down the roof of your house.
31:03 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you are lucky to catch up looking at your window, it is quite a show.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Navalanches is a scary thing.
31:09 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was folks in California who passed away in that Navalanche.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway.
31:14 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... moving on uh... what do you want to talk about now there's a whole big outline here there is a but before we get to that we're going to take a quick break sounds like a good play we're back do we want to talk about the beef
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: the beef robby versus lingers.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, what do you got on the beef?
31:46 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, very presidential of them to be yelling in front of a helicopter instead of just having a normal conversation.
31:54 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: True.
31:55 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: True.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What is it with this?
31:57 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do people do this?
31:59 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Just have your conversation any other time.
32:01 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, like they were in an elevator together, it's not like they weren't alone before that.
32:07 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think, yeah, Langdon was using the imminent arrival of the patient as a way to
32:16 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: spit out and sort of force Robby like he's you know granted Robby doesn't have a lot of time to respond in that moment Langdon sort of set that up because he knows the dissipations about come out and he got what he got.
32:29 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not defending Robby but I'm also sort of just critiquing Langdon's
32:37 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: strategic tactical approach here of okay, but legend has tried to talk to Robbie privately, absolutely like 10% already.
32:45 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of don't blame him for just seizing what a moment he can.
32:49 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I am critical of his location, but you know at the same time like I've kind of surprised Robbie didn't go like, I can't hear you I'd do loud too loud.
33:00 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I talked later.
33:02 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then Langdon is just shouting at him.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's using the ability, yeah, he's like, I can, yeah, in this moment.
33:08 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say, I'm not unlike Al Hashimi, the other week with Santos, this, Robbie just cut the legs out underneath Langdon here by saying, I don't know if I want you in my department, and we see the effect of that where Langdon is suddenly unsure of himself.
33:32 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: until he walks in with Garcia later, right, and has somebody, he feels a level of comfort with that he knows, respects him, even though they look to hang shit on each other all the time.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I, again, I think you're right.
33:47 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That was not the way to say that.
33:50 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that should have been a one-on-one when things are calm.
33:55 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, you were fine with him coming back the day after you and then just sitting there for three months.
34:01 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't just hold your tongue on that until you come back, like see how he did.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, exactly.
34:09 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not your ER for three months.
34:10 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you're right.
34:12 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think is interesting when we talk about the hospital administrator like what's going on there and where, you know, and Robby says to Santos, I'm though if you see me here in the emergency department, I am your boss regardless of whether I'm on duty or not.
34:27 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
34:27 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So Robby has this sort of sense about himself is like, yeah, he is the chief of the emergency department.
34:32 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This is my house.
34:33 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
34:35 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I thought,
34:38 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting too.
34:39 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about Robbie's whole approach to Langdon and then I saw, I forget where it was.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It might have been, I might have heard this on another podcast or I might have read this.
34:50 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: similar online, and I apologize I can't recall the sourcing it was in the moment, but apparently there was an interview possibly with no whiley or somebody else, and they were talking about Robbie and his relationship with Langdon, and what I picked up was is that what we're seeing is Robbie's guilt.
35:11 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's showing up in the animosity, not Robby's true anger, but Robby feels that he failed Langdon by not being, and which may be explains why he's so interested in Huckleberry, this episode.
35:28 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I gotta be right to this guy's life.
35:32 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta know everything that's going on.
35:34 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, I think he's trying to make up for his failure with Langdon by getting involved, because we've seen him observing a whole bunch of this episode, right?
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're picking up on something.
35:50 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This is, you know, I just finished a Stormlight archive and one of the themes is you have to grow, you have to, you know, all protect people, and eventually you have to realize like,
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't save them all.
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the lessons you have to learn.
36:06 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know.
36:07 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And Robin never learned that lesson.
36:11 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
36:11 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Robin never learned to let go of, you know, I will do my best to help people and protect people, but I am not the only one doing that.
36:21 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't save everybody.
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you reflect on Jake from season one, which Langdon asks him about,
36:28 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: and Jake's girlfriend, I apologize if I get Jake's girlfriend's name, who died?
36:32 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's not going to be recurring.
36:33 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's not, but there's that guilt there, right there, that he is trying to, he feels that he has a, this obligation to save everyone.
36:43 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He does, and that's what causes him to have a whole breakdown and see someone.
36:47 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We never, and then of course, losing his mentor.
36:51 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And that same day.
36:52 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:54 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, uh, a little nepo action with Devaddi's career there.
36:59 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, her dad's funny seriously don't tell your mom.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No, seriously.
37:05 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm joking.
37:06 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
37:07 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He was funny.
37:08 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He looked familiar.
37:08 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot to look about, but he looked familiar.
37:10 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'd seen him in some nails.
37:13 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I see you say here that, you know, Javadi probably has her hearts and let me ER.
37:19 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that could be true, but I don't know if it's the right reasons.
37:22 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it might be, I need to do something, let's say, opposite of my parents.
37:25 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
37:26 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, which could be a primary motivator.
37:28 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, you can't necessarily see that in the moment.
37:31 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:32 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:32 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Your inner voice is saying something and you're not realizing that it's actually
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I've been there.
37:43 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been 20 years old and been like, I, my dad wants me to go this career path, and I don't want to, and I am currently in that career path.
37:54 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So we, you know, sometimes we were resisting, but our parents do know, they do read us, right.
38:02 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They've had more life experience and they can sometimes know.
38:07 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Not saying that everybody has to listen to their parents' career advice, but like your parents, your parents do have some life experience and you should consider what they suggest, because they know you a lot and they know the life.
38:20 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Quick shout out to the captain's pod, our friends at another podcast, who are covering Star Trek, Starfleet Academy, and episode seven, I won't spoil anything, but that they deal with that.
38:32 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: part of a they deal with that sort of story trope of a person rebelling against their their familial and social obligations and whether they've chosen it or not and that kind of thing so really really fun episode seven where they're they kind of up and that same storyline in a really interesting way.
38:55 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
38:55 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was it's sub-zero on our discord channel with saying something about immigrant parents and expectations for first and second generation families and that there is or was it in relation to something else?
39:10 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was another show where somebody was pursuing an artist or oh, it was a, yeah, I think it was sub-zero in the Wonderman channel and they were talking about Haitian family and the primary character pursuing art where the older brother pursued a financially stable career.
39:32 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: and the tension they are in in the family in terms of security, financial security versus pursuing individual expression and creative.
39:41 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the plot of a real pain too.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, oh, yeah, it's right.
39:45 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, right?
39:46 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:55 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the boredom
40:01 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_01]: the shippers are all over there are many ships sailing into this harbor they are not age appropriate they are just want to say that it's considering adults I don't know they're sending adults and like whatever but like I don't know
40:18 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the photo that I put in the discord?
40:21 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You should look at that.
40:22 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I spoiler tagged it just because, you know, it's an open channel.
40:27 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess there is some season one set up for this.
40:29 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a couple of comments traded.
40:32 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe during the pit fest shooting incident, Ash Gallaudet, casually incident.
40:39 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I can't remember the exact episode and I heard another podcast talking about this and I think I saw a stray on the internet as well
40:48 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: interaction where and or maybe some comments from Abbott about that.
40:53 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So when people say it, right, you know, they're, um, this has been prime.
41:01 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: People were shipping them last season.
41:04 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's interesting.
41:05 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting.
41:07 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: on the, on the robby walking by and, you know, tilting his head back, the, I just had a technical shout out the rat, the way that they quote, quote, rack focus.
41:15 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So, racking focuses when you change the, the, the.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:18 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And things come in and out of focus, the background there is out of focus.
41:24 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And at just as robby.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: comes across the doorway.
41:27 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And as he's mid doorway, focus shifts to him.
41:30 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as he's leaving as he's leaning back, but his momentum is still carrying him forward, they rack back out.
41:38 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It is perfectly timed.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So the camera man's hilarious.
41:40 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they are on it.
41:42 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They are on it.
41:43 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The camera is hilarious.
41:44 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They are so good.
41:45 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
41:46 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Love every minute of it.
41:47 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
41:48 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're not you're not down for the you want to keep this a clean.
41:53 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sold yet.
41:54 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what's going on.
41:56 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I will say I'll have you me seems to be having a bond with Abbott too.
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:02 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:03 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And did you see how I mean, we didn't really get get to that quite yet, but did you see how Robbie was kind of like, huh, when she saw nothing like getting along.
42:12 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you know somebody said I think I'd read it like you know that Robbie was like texting Abbott to talk shit every time he had a spare moment that day like this this new higher from Gloria Just sucks man like she's just trying to take over my ER and listen that and Abbott's going I got you buddy.
42:31 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be in soon and and we'll don't worry you'll have a friend in there and then they they bond and Robby's like fuck
42:41 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And what he said, Gloria's quote unquote new hire, Gloria's new hire.
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, not the hospitals new hire.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, not the new doctor.
42:49 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Gloria's new hire.
42:51 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Youch.
42:52 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody knows how this floor feels about Gloria.
42:56 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Jumping ahead really quick, because of that tension there was Robbie and her.
43:02 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think?
43:04 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did the hospital administrator call Hashimi up instead of Robby, even though Robby is the on paper chief and he's only going on a temporary leave?
43:16 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering, I was kind of headcating, is it did they think that he was already gone or could be that she's going to be the one dealing with the aftermath tomorrow, right?
43:25 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if if they have to now reenter all the data tomorrow, maybe she's the one who's going to have to do it, not Robby, because Robby's going to be gone.
43:34 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It could also get experience in medical administration management with yeah, maybe technologies Yeah, but also maybe they just you know, it is glorious new hire.
43:43 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they feel better talking to her Robbie has yelled at Gloria on camera before like they clearly have an unpleasant relationship and You know, well, I agree with a lot of Robbie's points.
43:55 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he could be a little bit better to his boss You know like he can't just yell at people like that
44:01 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not diplomatic in that regard.
44:04 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not doing himself any favors.
44:06 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and there's just very rarely a situation in the workplace that calls for that.
44:10 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
44:10 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any, I don't think he was just fighting yelling at her.
44:15 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He yelled at the boss of the woman who had the, uh,
44:22 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: right, he was like, yeah, he just was really tough.
44:25 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I will sue you.
44:26 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he was calm.
44:27 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He was calm.
44:28 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That was okay.
44:29 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
44:29 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But still, that's pretty interesting.
44:30 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's calm rage.
44:32 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was that's what you have to have with these people.
44:34 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
44:35 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but he's yeah, we'll say that he's a little Ned Stark and he's not doing himself any political favors with the
44:41 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Hospital administration needs to okay.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mm.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
44:45 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because Ned Stark is like a lawful good You know what I mean like he is just lawful good is Rob he's good.
44:52 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that is Robby a lawful good I don't think so.
44:56 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Robby has some chaos energy going on here's my here's my argument for it.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that he is
45:03 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: whether intentionally or unintentionally oblivious to the damage caused by not politicking for his job.
45:14 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's at a political position in the hospital administration and he doesn't care the downstream effects of him being kind of a cowboy.
45:22 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas Ned was like, I'm honorable and I'm good and I'm going to play by the rules and he lost his, he was, he was,
45:31 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: blind to how that would affect the situation around him.
45:36 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Robby is also blind to how his behavior is creating resistance around him.
45:42 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just feeling some resistance because Ned was like proper channels, proper channels, proper channels, you know, right?
45:48 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me do everything by the book and once I reveal the truth, everyone will be good and right, because we'll see the truth will, well, yeah, we'll reveal all and we'll all understand the truth.
45:57 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I just saw a TikTok at some point or a video at some point where they said my roommates watching Game of Thrones the first time there in the second to last episode of the season they're they're telling me I wonder how net's going to get out of this.
46:16 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, that's so good.
46:19 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That I think, yeah, that when that happens, right, it changed everybody the first time they saw that.
46:25 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still, I think, one of the best fake outs in all of television.
46:31 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the best.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Fake out, you're calling it a fake out.
46:34 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because they make you think he's going to be the main character.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, Sean Bean, right?
46:39 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's the actor.
46:40 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it up.
46:41 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good point.
46:43 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We call him Sheen Bean in my house.
46:46 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So back to the pitch, and Dr. El Shimi, so there's a mention of the dashed barrage hospital, which is a neighborhood in Kabul, and MSF was operating a maternity ward.
47:06 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: in this hospital, in this neighborhood.
47:09 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And that hospital and that particular maternity ward served Hazara community, which is a community within Afghanistan in Kabul.
47:23 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: that are predominantly Shia Muslim that have historic origins in central Afghanistan or to the Mongol tribes in sort of central Asian.
47:38 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're a little bit different than other communities that are there.
47:43 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And Hazara, and again, I'm just reading this.
47:46 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So this isn't like my stuff that I know very well.
47:49 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just read some Wikipedia stuff.
47:51 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been a long history of persecution and enslavement and sort of marginalization almost to a caste-like status where people, if there are, you know, they can only, people will hire them for certain jobs, and a lot of it has to do with ancestry roots and ancestral roots.
48:10 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: but also there's the sort of bigotry between Shia and Suni, that is huge and people do not realize it.
48:17 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:18 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that the Hazara occupied a lot of fertile lands.
48:20 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And so other people were like, oh, we went to those lands.
48:22 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And so now that there's all this kind of stuff.
48:25 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So in 2020, there was an attack on the hospital that targeted the maternity ward specifically.
48:34 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: and a guess no-known responsible group nobody has ever been able to make a final determination was this particular sector particular you know terrorist organization or particular warlord or anything like that nobody could figure out nobody has figured out.
48:50 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... publicly they're right obviously they they haven't been able to to find that information to publish it and then MSF medicine son frontier uh... left uh... area that hospital after that MSF is you know in english doctors of that borders
49:07 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So a pretty brutal circumstance, a very terrible kind of thing.
49:13 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think that's what's leading into the theories around Dr. Alley Shimi in a reactions to Baby Jane Doe.
49:22 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But then she calls the Picts, I'm part of me, Pittsburgh, Nero Science Group to talk to Dr. Fair Graves.
49:30 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know is this what what what the neuroscience group is, you know, are they dealing with sort of neurology or they dealing with neuropsychology or not sure.
49:43 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But my working theory now is that she has a combination of traumatic brain injury, TBI.
49:54 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: and PTSD, right?
49:57 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So PTSD, traumatic circumstances, but the traumatic brain injury or something similar would be actual physiological injury, or not, sorry, neurological injury.
50:10 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And that oftentimes, these two things go together but their diagnoses are rather difficult to separate because they're very intertwined and can be masking each other.
50:21 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I also say this also makes, you know, she was here for this event, that would make Robby's, does the VA even have a trauma center?
50:29 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, way worse for him to have sense.
50:33 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, learn the history of your co-workers before you try to say that they're running out of experience.
50:38 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good call, John.
50:40 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually, I didn't even think about that.
50:42 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He, whoo.
50:44 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He makes a lot of assumptions about people.
50:46 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%, 100%.
50:49 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're tricking us a little bit in the writing, given that, you know, you know, Oh, AI this and, you know, she's, you know, my patient scores are up 45% on all this kind of stuff.
50:59 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: When, in fact, she's got real, she's got it chops as good as anything that Robbie or Abbott have.
51:07 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she has chops.
51:09 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she doesn't use them.
51:11 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because she is extremely risk-averse and perhaps her trauma is part of why she's risk-averse interesting.
51:19 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it I like that Again, we don't think we've seen her be as McGyvery as she could be she had that one McGyver moment But I don't think we've seen her be as McGyvery as she can be interesting Okay, I like it
51:36 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to learn from each other.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my prediction.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they already are a little bit.
51:41 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think this ransomware attack, this is going to push them to need to collaborate.
51:46 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need Robby's, Maxi, and you're going to need her organizational skills.
51:52 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So not even beyond America, because the mirror is the simple story framing device, right?
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But these two together.
52:00 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But the really cool thing, the next level thing would be to have them as sort of puzzle pieces for each other.
52:06 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:06 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That they unlock each other in the enemies.
52:09 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The lever's arc is really going strong.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
52:13 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
52:15 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
52:15 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
52:16 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
52:16 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good spin.
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a good podcast.
52:19 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we're leaning into this a little bit more.
52:21 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you are giving us five stars and you folks on the leadership should also give us five stars.
52:28 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to talk about next?
52:31 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got some ASL notes, I see.
52:33 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
52:35 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So this has been, people have been discussing this a lot in a lot of spaces.
52:40 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a personal connection to this as well.
52:43 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to work at a, I attended and then worked at a community college in Seattle that had a huge ASL program, like one of the national leading ASL programs.
52:52 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had a lot of friends, both hearing and non-hearing who were learning ASL,
52:58 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: went out on a date with somebody from that program as well who is not hearing.
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't work out.
53:06 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very sad about that because she was a real one and we sat at a coffee shop for like an hour and a half writing notes to each other back and forth.
53:16 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It was physically exhausting.
53:18 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I can writing out all of this stuff and it was very difficult to have communication.
53:25 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: and the point of that little story is, is that ASL is not English, and I don't want to be all fingerwaggy about it, but it's really important that people get the point that ASL has a different grammar structure, it has a different syntax, it has different vocabulary, different cultural foundations, it is non-linear and spatial where English is written English is linear,
53:53 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: ASL relies on facial expressions, body language, to convey tone and meeting that don't translate directly into written words.
54:03 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you ever see an ASL interpreter, you watch their face, watch their hands, watch their shoulders, watch their arm movements.
54:12 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we watched Miss Rachel.
54:13 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
54:14 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never watched Miss Rachel.
54:15 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Miss Rachel has sometimes ASL interpreters.
54:20 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
54:21 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's very expressive.
54:23 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're real ones.
54:25 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the ones that the, you know, different governments accidentally hire that are impersonators.
54:30 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That was like a big thing a couple years ago.
54:32 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
54:33 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: All these governments we're getting like defrauded by the ASL interpreter fake people are basically They were dancing on stage.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's messed up and pretend.
54:43 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is messed up and finally like Deaf people kept writing in like hey, yeah, they're just doing jazz hands like there's no ASL happening That's bad.
54:55 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you watch can I just say like
54:57 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it's a terrible thing, but if you watch the fake interpreters, like it is funny to know it's fake and they're just like What the hell are they doing up there?
55:08 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_01]: they're really leaning into it.
55:10 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The, I will say dancing around though, like watch SL interpreters or sign language interpreters for rock concerts or musical and stuff amazing because they dance and they put a bunch of artistic expression into it as much.
55:26 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very cool.
55:28 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, in short, without being too preachy or finger-wise, written,
55:34 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: English is not a substitute for American Sign Language or any sign language.
55:38 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we even see the little, they bring it up in the show when Santos writes, you know, I'm going to send you for an head and abdomen CT scan.
55:48 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And I apologize, I have our near somewhere.
55:52 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Harlow says they wait what?
55:55 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She may not know what CT, because I think Abba just writes C. Yeah.
55:59 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:59 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:00 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_01]: She may not know what CT necessarily stands for.
56:03 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Not everybody knows what a CT scan is or an MRI.
56:06 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I was telling you what the acronym actually stands for.
56:08 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I know what it is, you know, in theory.
56:10 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So, right there, they're pointing to the fact that just because you wrote something down, doesn't mean that meaning is conveyed, and then that you have the patience consent.
56:22 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Because now you've got to go back and forth, like I don't understand, but Santaus is flustered and leaves at the room, because of all the other things going on.
56:29 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Can written English be used as an stopgap, or in a hang on for a minute, while we sort of
56:40 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: one of the things that you know public health institutions and public institutions in general is just like you know we should be able to address people in the language of that is especially for legal things or medical things where nuance is really important.
56:55 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: People have a kind of a human right to be addressed in the language that makes
57:00 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, that's exactly how they communicate to best in, right?
57:02 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:02 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I, again, I don't talk about my job here, but I do have a very, very small potential for public facing, you know, speaking to somebody on the other side, from the general public rather than, you know, as people in my work.
57:18 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I every year, I'm required to take my image training.
57:21 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that they say over and over and over and over again is that writing is not a substitute.
57:27 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, they say you get the interpreter you do not and they say I think I've said this before on a different episode like you know speaking to the person and not to the interpreter is the other thing that's extremely important right
57:43 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And you get it like there's that there's some human things that go on and we may have to reframe ourselves.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
57:48 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's totally cool.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we have training, right?
57:50 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like exactly.
57:51 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a little thing.
57:52 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And podcasts like this where we can talk about something like that.
57:55 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is preaching actually.
57:56 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:57 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You can mark this down as you're training.
57:59 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, this is a problem of distribution and availability of resources.
58:06 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that the hospital is not trying to do it.
58:09 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, St. O's is pressed for time and makes a not great decision to leave the room once the interpreter gets there.
58:17 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_01]: uh that's you know part of the story drama that's going on there but then on the VRI terminal um obviously the the video remote interpreting obviously she's talking to IT who's saying like you turn it on and turn it off again to read that it which is very funny
58:32 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's hip-hop compliance right in there is you can't just set up a laptop with the zoom thing right because of all you know secure connections I don't know if you've been you've been to a hospital recently I don't know have you noticed the operating system that they're running a lot of times They're running much older technology for those systems.
58:51 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
58:52 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I am
58:53 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I was there for like three hours waiting and they had a slideshow of all the veterans that worked for the hospital system.
58:59 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just I learned a lot about that.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all it worked.
59:02 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_01]: On the screen there.
59:03 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a doctor Abbott wasn't there unfortunately, but you know, they did have quite an array.
59:08 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_01]: When I had a family member getting a procedure that I went to sit in a, this is a number of years ago now too, over 10 years ago, but they were running Windows XP or Windows 95 or something like that.
59:19 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they take a while, but now you have the issue of like, and this actually pissed a lot of people off.
59:24 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that Microsoft said that Windows 10 was going to be like, the final version of those.
59:28 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:29 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And that they were going to just keep updating it and you're going to be fine with this.
59:32 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we'll just keep doing iterations of it.
59:35 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they said, no, everybody has to go to Windows 11.
59:38 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to up the minimum specs to go to the final line.
59:42 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And in a year, we're going to stop supporting security on Windows 10 was a huge issue.
59:47 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, all these workplaces had to like replace a lot of machines and it was a big thing.
59:53 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was pissed off at Microsoft and we're not sponsored by Microsoft and I don't think they will be done soon.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pissed that Microsoft for a lot of reasons right now, so sure so yeah, and I heard well, okay Here's the pile on this is the pile on windows section of the podcast
01:00:09 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that there's a lot of at push advertising and sort of bloated stuff in Windows 11.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of...
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't experienced that.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't experienced that, but I don't know, maybe I was just better at ignoring it.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I use Windows primarily and not Mac OS anymore.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually prefer Windows over Mac OS for, I just think it's easier to customize and do what I want with it.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll I know you're making your faces a little bit.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, he's loyal, but I'm just going to say like my use of windows doesn't make me hate Microsoft less and equal time, you know, you know, FCC equal time rules apply here.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We can, we can, they don't, they don't just to be clear Brendan car.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_00]: we can pile on Mac OS 26 Tahoe it's a it's a shit show yeah there's all these companies are just and then pushing AI and everything let me tell all right this is a slight tangent but the reason I'm pissed off of Microsoft today is that they they're head of gaming is leaving and they're replacing him with the head of AI.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, weird.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a weird choice.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They're putting the head of AI now in charge of the head of gaming and everyone's like we're cooked folks Like Microsoft gaming is probably gonna be getting They're gonna they're saying every NPC in a game is gonna be a check-up.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just saying okay
01:01:34 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a strategic choice.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as long as that person has the chops from a group, it does not seem like she has any gaming experience.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you experience in the industry?
01:01:44 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but if you can lean anyway, let's talk about leadership stuff.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing, like the Phil Spencer, the head of Microsoft game, and it's leaving.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: he literally like games as a hobby.
01:01:56 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why people are like, oh, there was a guy who finally got it.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Who was in charge, and now he's leaving in the AI person's coming in.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the tough part about it.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, I'm not a, yeah, I hear what you're, guy worked for the gaming division for like 20 years before he became the head.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, anyway, corporations are going to corporate, right?
01:02:16 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they are.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They are.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They are.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to buy up all the industry, and then they're going to fail.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of IT related issues, Ransomware is that's when a system is attacked and the Ransomware Earth, the attackers lock up the victim's data and or systems and then usually demand payment for decryption and re-access.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently, and you can go online.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You can read there's just a flood of statistics.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal in the IT industry.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to record state all of that.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But what the terrifying thing is, is that hospitals are like one of the highest value targets in this.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And why?
01:02:56 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they have all your health data.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That this is a huge issue.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They're making, you know, you can, you can look this up online.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You can look up.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: DOJ and FBI reporting of, you know, here's what we caught these criminals trying to, you know, racking up this $x million in ransoms and it's crazy.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, so there's the literal life and death of it, like pay or people die.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the secondary market of patient record.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And the question is if you pay the ransom, do they actually delete it?
01:03:34 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Or do they just say, well, we have the money now.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we may unlock your system, but we may not quote unquote return or delete the data.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an interesting choice.
01:03:48 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the bet about what the code black was?
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It looked like a princess one, the bet.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see when the, yeah, a little bit in the frame here?
01:03:59 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Good for her.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: How you doing?
01:04:01 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: How you doing there, princess?
01:04:02 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm a little bloated if, but to be out there.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Among, amid the seriousness of the show, they know how to work in the humor.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: To leaven the thing, we talk about that a lot and for a lot of shows.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... good job on that guy's uh... any thoughts on on uh... ransomware is it's got to be tough on i did i didn't know that it was a cyber attack but i knew that uh... from the trailers that it was likely that the system going down was going to crisis and i think earlier in the season i think i know it's gonna happen but i'm not going to say anything right this was the thing that was sort of spoiled for me from the trailers got it what's like stop doing that folks
01:04:46 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, do we take another break and then we come back and finish up?
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are back.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we don't have any feedback this week.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a few more notes.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They just moved around in that outline there, so they're a little bit more coherent.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got some miscellaneous stuff and a few patient and character stories.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you want to tackle?
01:05:26 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're predicting a death with dignity.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I could definitely see it happening.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't heard much of it yet, so maybe we should save most of the discussion for when that actually Developed a little bit.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: For Mr. Diaz and medical debt, that is a tough one.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm like, my bro, what do you expect is going to happen?
01:05:52 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You are in serious medical crisis and going home and going to your next job is just going to land you back in the house, but I mean I get it like I'm not on sympathetic to him, but it's like a, oh, it's just so frustrating.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The situation that he's in is so frustrating and he's he's looking at what's in front of him as opposed to I mean, what good is he gonna be for tanybody?
01:06:15 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to back on Mr. Diaz because he's in a terrible position, but it's like That is not the right choice to be making in this moment.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I know and a lot of these people This is this is just you know, I've dealt with sick parents a lot.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you have no They don't realize that
01:06:32 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We'd rather have them around more than we'd like an inheritance or we'd like a, you know, an extra few bucks and the thing in the bucket, and I, you could see from his daughter like she's she doesn't care, so pick up extra shifts.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: She just wants her data around.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And they've been dead for the rest of your life.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, fine.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what if it's fine, right?
01:06:52 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country is medical debt.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it could be that that's their solution.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Just it's tough.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a tough situation, but like be around for your kids.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't mess with your health.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, and it's not like this could possibly make his life a little better.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like an optional procedure.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: This is like, hey, if you don't treat this, you're going to die.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He is in serious medical, this is a crisis situation for his right now, right?
01:07:24 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his is long-term health is on the line literally on the line right now.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just so bummed for this family.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they seem like a really sweet family.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They like to seem like we've really
01:07:38 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: This is golf episode right this is rather or yeah, we're going to see him show up later in the in the collapse again.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's exactly what's going to happen I did appreciate that by the way, I looked at the screenshot you posted in the discord of of Mohan I I totally disagree with you.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's admiration that is wow.
01:07:58 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's nice.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Let he's gonna
01:08:00 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that that was hot.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Go back.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And frame by frame and watch the sequence of her looks.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They cut to her.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: She's looking.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They cut away.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They cut back.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's just like five or six frames where she gives this look.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And man.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's to me.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's smoldering.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right in.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We need some feedback.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What are we.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: What are we calling this?
01:08:28 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure this is the handle.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we talk about Mel and her sister?
01:08:37 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes us say, you know, we've kind of gone into there.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I'm worried that Mel's sister is going to show up.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Mel's got enough to deal with the season.
01:08:49 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need that.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I want her.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I want them to be able to go watch the fireworks.
01:08:55 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That would, well, are you saying that is she going to just show up to say hi, rather she was complaining of a stomach ache.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-oh.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was worried that maybe I'm reading, maybe I'm hunting for Markleys, maybe I'm looking for shadows where I just don't want her to end up as a part of me as a patient on the show with this stomach thing.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the weaker show would do that.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The lesser show would do that.
01:09:19 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bet against you.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The next one.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I did want to mention that.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: When you are in Dr. Robby's, in the penumbra of his sunlight, you've got to wear some sunblock because when he tells Mel that she's one of the best attendings or residents that he's trained.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I mean, that is just such an incredible endorsement of you as a person and your skill and your...
01:09:57 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: you're putting yourself into this job.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But when he puts you in his shadow, like he does to Langdon, then you gotta have a parka and some of those hand warmer things because it is sub-artic when Robbie is unhappy with you.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's stuff.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just it's stuff.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he gives Mel that praise and Mel is like, whoa, she's really blown away by it.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those when someone is,
01:10:24 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, not often giving praise and they finally give you praise.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: When someone who's kind of withholding gives you praise, you're like, wow.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I earned that.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a flaw of our species, because I don't think anyone should be proud to be with all of them.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, there's a video going around with a Dr. Real World Dr. Wendy Ross, who's a consulting physician, to HBO, and in the video, she talks specifically about new
01:10:55 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, people both being medical practitioners and creating, you know, environments where, you know, diverse people can feel comfortable in the environments in the space.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they have basically this is behind the scenes saying to everybody, yes, we designed mal in this way to highlight this issue and to give you a character, you know, who's on this aspect of the spectrum with her sister.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is an intentional character design.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So
01:11:24 --> 01:11:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of praise coming out for this in terms of how they're
01:11:31 --> 01:11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: the portrayal and the acting job that is being done on here so because I think Mel is like everybody's favorite right now, you know, at least there's no negative talk about Mel.
01:11:41 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not a lot of, as the other oldest reading time in the last few episodes.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's interesting.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that has to do with like a budget and yeah, there's all that, you know, behind the scenes stuff of how many actors get, how many how much screen time and seize off cooking meth with their dad.
01:11:56 --> 01:12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Getting ready for free based before she goes to her deposition want to cook Mel who's doing a deposition on July 4th That is a people are talking about this.
01:12:06 --> 01:12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weekend July 4th and Also who scheduled her for a full shift the day of a deposition exactly?
01:12:15 --> 01:12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Gloria.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm upset about this
01:12:19 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of things about being upset, are you still upset with Jay, the actor?
01:12:25 --> 01:12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's a terrible actress.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she's good in some of the else, but in this, it's just not selling.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Just not selling.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not sold on it.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the rest of his family was great.
01:12:36 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, this one actor really just, I cannot, I cannot watch it.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I can just not watch this person.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There enough.
01:12:49 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, um, I just want to know what you are actually in the real world would have a doctor spending time tracking down
01:12:58 --> 01:13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: a patient family member that walked away from an explanation they would just be like now there's other family here we're just going to explain to you and you can pass it along because we have limited resources and we're going to continue on point.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that this situation has ever happened in the end time.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe once or twice ever.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but there's no like and honestly rightfully so like
01:13:19 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that it's upsetting to work, but like, they're trying to do their jobs.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to save as many people as they can here.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a carry on with the psychiatrist and yeah, right, you're not going to suspend that necessarily.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you, what did you make of the Davis family and in this issue around their sons circumstances?
01:13:42 --> 01:13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, an uncle with depression is not necessarily suggestive that schizophrenia is likely to develop in the family, right?
01:13:49 --> 01:13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think that that was something that they needed to tell the next generation.
01:13:54 --> 01:13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:13:56 --> 01:14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I am a member of a family that the previous generation
01:14:08 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, at age appropriate times, disclosure is the better path.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:13 --> 01:14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, I don't think that I, I think that Jade is just looking for some data blame here, right?
01:14:19 --> 01:14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: She's just, you know, looking for a place to put her anger at the fact that her brother is going through this.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't think that this has much to do with anything.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But the way the mom said, not in my side of the family.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, she knew it.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: She knows exactly what's going on here.
01:14:38 --> 01:14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And there is a lot of tension in that family, which is kind of sad, because they really need to be rallying around their son and not sort of dealing with these awkward what I think about your relative sort of situations.
01:14:55 --> 01:15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, that point though on schizophrenia, which I think a lot of people are going directly to is that this is the age when, yeah, uh, a lot of times it will appear, uh, especially in young men.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
01:15:09 --> 01:15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: In the last episode, uh, yeah, I think last episode, they, they said that like classics gets a front air presentation.
01:15:15 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I think the rates are equal, not only for African-American populations, but for men and women, and it's around a 1% rate.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, obviously numbers are, or what they are, however, something that I was reading into a little bit.
01:15:33 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: is that schizophrenia in African American communities, the diagnosis has actually been used to pathologize black rage and to create a different kind of level of sociological control.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a lot of, there can be a lot of stigma and discomfort, discomfort of addressing mental illness within African American communities.
01:15:57 --> 01:16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a direct experience,
01:16:01 --> 01:16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and you have you have black rage and quotation marks.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say here because you, you know, I'm not using that something that we would use, no, no, no, right, yeah, I'm using it as a right, right, and I'm using it as a way to highlight it to me that.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, medical authorities, oh, this is just an angry black man and there's gets it right.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that right, you know, hysteria for women, hysteria, it's exactly exactly.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, there's all these ways that people, you know, the medical profession is assisted in.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, white supremacy and misogyny.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, those are the things are there.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so there's I think that this story is starting to, you know, maybe touch on some of those issues around mental health and mental illness within different populations and different.
01:16:51 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see where we go from there.
01:16:55 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a few miscellaneous notes here.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... the patient passports as fans but you called it out as as the doctor else salvation so i like that as you as you would say check out as patient passport we see doctor else trying to grab a quick nap before her double double and uh... so i'm sure we're gonna see her so we get just at the episode six we've got uh... and just as on the onset of the crisis
01:17:21 --> 01:17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a couple of key power hitters stepping into that.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I heard and I didn't want to preview, but I think I heard that she was in the preview for the next episode.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:17:30 --> 01:17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So we should see her.
01:17:31 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I am staying away from the previously ons because I want to enjoy my experience.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be spoiled.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The next on.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Next on.
01:17:40 --> 01:17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
01:17:40 --> 01:17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the story of previously ons here.
01:17:42 --> 01:17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have not been listening to the
01:17:45 --> 01:17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: official podcast, but I think I will start to pick it up because I think there will be a lot of good embedded data in sites into things.
01:17:52 --> 01:17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and I know a lot of our folks on the Discord were mentioning things that they found.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's some cool insights that they've heard on the official podcast.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So, great exposition dump on Whittaker.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he's our Huckleberry.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's our Huckleberry that was good.
01:18:10 --> 01:18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Annie.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's a what it does with the with the anything.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's an orphan.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't pregnant or something So funny.
01:18:21 --> 01:18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that was good.
01:18:23 --> 01:18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The actor who plays Santos as well is a stage actor Yeah, and you know
01:18:32 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: My, I was watching this with my wife and I saved my wife not for you because I know you know that, but you know for the audience she was laughing because she's like, and I am on Broadway
01:18:45 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: when she seemed a baby janked out.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, God, she's got a voice.
01:18:52 --> 01:19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow, I was really, it reminded me when my daughter was an infant in my parents' revisiting and my mom sang to my daughter.
01:19:02 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think we had sung to our daughter.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is like, but then a couple months of her, you know, a month or so of her being born.
01:19:10 --> 01:19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: and my daughter's face just lit up and she started and like she got really sort of physically excited and I was like oh wow that was really cool that first time you know that she heard music so I really that's really fun yeah I was really taken by this scene and just babe you just being you know taken back to being a new parent and hearing the different kinds of cry learning
01:19:40 --> 01:19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: and Jesse's just like, I'm busy, the baby's safe.
01:19:44 --> 01:19:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I could do right now.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know,
01:19:48 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: there's there's levels of that right like yeah there is sometimes where like you've done everything you can for the baby you need to swat all the baby and let the baby sleep yeah you know but you know you also want to comfort the baby and and we see that uh Santa's able to do that you see I just sing my kids like depression era folks songs and they love it so that's that's what I do
01:20:14 --> 01:20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Which ones did you have any particular uh oh my my son really likes you are my son shine okay and he he misheared the lyrics once and so now he goes sing bunk my head and cry as one of the lyrics is and I hung my head and cry because right bunk my head and cry that's very cute yeah yeah he's a brianice as a stage actor she's pretty awesome and they had a real babe that was a real baby and that yeah just anybody who's never been on set before
01:20:43 --> 01:20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy on set, lights and people and actors and stuff.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that they were able to, and got multiple takes, and there's a lot of rules around protecting children.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 15 minutes, right?
01:20:54 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That they're allowed to act at a time.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really, really, very little.
01:20:57 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And for all for good reasons, but very awkward when you're trying to get stuff done.
01:21:03 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So however they pull that together, man, aces, again, production on this.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I love, they're probably like, all right.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, ESA, we're ready for another baby take.
01:21:11 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: She probably said to get pulled away all day.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: As she was.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: As she was.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what she can get her charting done.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have this note here.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Joy Dunks on Ogil V. Oh, it was because they are trading medical knowledge about obscure conditions.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
01:21:30 --> 01:21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: When the young football player was in for a heat show for fainting, not heat show, but for fainting.
01:21:36 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: and they were talking about some obscure things.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was just like, oh, I'm glad Joey got something.
01:21:41 --> 01:21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll go be there.
01:21:42 --> 01:21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we'll be just sucks.
01:21:43 --> 01:21:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that.
01:21:43 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So far, there has been no redeeming quality for him.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what is there to like about Obi?
01:21:49 --> 01:21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they'll do it by the end of the season, but I almost feel like they're using him as this like cartoonish, horrible doctor.
01:21:55 --> 01:22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if anything the show is not a, you know, it does, it does treat people as holistic.
01:22:00 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure that's all be some.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They do, right?
01:22:03 --> 01:22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet this character is not having a single redeeming quality.
01:22:06 --> 01:22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We enjoy, we're like, you know, enjoy now.
01:22:08 --> 01:22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like happy.
01:22:09 --> 01:22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We understand where she wants to be.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they haven't given us an ogle of these redemption yet.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure it's coming.
01:22:15 --> 01:22:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They just needed somebody to get pooped on.
01:22:16 --> 01:22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really what they need.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we touch on some medical stuff really quick, did you notice the big board what they're using?
01:22:26 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Google Sheets.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that that's a real thing that hospitals do.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is the pit.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:22:35 --> 01:22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the show.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, uh, uh, I, I, when I was doing my frame by frame, I, looking at some stuff.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I accidentally caught a bit of it and then I've seen it on people are posting shots of the board on reddit and stuff, that's so, uh, very fun.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: A couple of medical things that I picked up e-fast.
01:22:52 --> 01:22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We hear that a lot.
01:22:54 --> 01:22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the extended focused assessment.
01:22:57 --> 01:23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: with sonography for trauma, and this is an ultrasound protocol to look for internal bleeding or air fluids of the abdomen, uh, fluids around the heart, fluids around the, uh, or air around the lungs where it's not supposed to be.
01:23:14 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll hear e-fast, uh, a lot, uh, which basically means,
01:23:18 --> 01:23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: is there something internal that we can't see so they're using standard baby, you know, maternal, whatever, ultrasound, that technology to look for for those kinds of things.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Something else that was fun that was brought up was an Arctic sun.
01:23:33 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a temperature management system that is all external, so there's no invasive things, and it's basically giant pads that they're water cooling a human.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They're water cooling a human with these big pads, and that has a hyper-fine control of the temperature of the pads, and so that you can really control very precisely the amount of cooling or heating that you're putting into somebody, and it goes both ways.
01:23:59 --> 01:24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's
01:24:03 --> 01:24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was very cool to see and I even said that to my, we were watching and I was like, man, I built my PC.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have a water cooling system, but I considered it and I was like, that's so cool.
01:24:13 --> 01:24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They're water cooling a human.
01:24:17 --> 01:24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... the swat officer his name is hero h-i-r-o not h-e-r-o was like what but of course you yeah yeah i'm not knew that and of course because i watched the show heroes where he wrote was one of the characters with h-i-r-o of course i do i didn't even need the subtitles very good so elie green who's our young football player syncopé syncopé that's just fainting fainting
01:24:43 --> 01:24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see Daniel Scott, week in Disney, and we'll washing this car and so he's the guy started having seizures.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a classic sign of heat stroke like when you're in your core temperature is very high.
01:24:55 --> 01:24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we have Jason Stills.
01:25:00 --> 01:25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like again another heat related patient.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Baby, Jane Dow, I'm sorry, my God.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do that every time now, huh?
01:25:09 --> 01:25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I want people to record their day on their Dana impressions and send it in.
01:25:16 --> 01:25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we'll have a end of the year contest who has the best Dana impression.
01:25:22 --> 01:25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The Dana's.
01:25:23 --> 01:25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I say on Abbott, I did love when they were like, why are you part of this team and he said, I'm bad at golf.
01:25:36 --> 01:25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you should look, you should see how I look as an airline pilot or an airline.
01:25:43 --> 01:25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so we got Diaz Hamler Davis and Graham Harlow Graham.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So we've covered.
01:25:48 --> 01:25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about all of them already.
01:25:49 --> 01:25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have all of this.
01:25:51 --> 01:25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I have all of this in a notion show tracker guy.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Nancy for helping to fill some of this out.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got profiles on all the characters just for quick reference.
01:26:02 --> 01:26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really great on the mobile phone.
01:26:04 --> 01:26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: because the way it displays, you can scroll through if you're trying to find a character or something like that.
01:26:09 --> 01:26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I've got a patient, a list by episode.
01:26:14 --> 01:26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So as you go through the, I need to update episode seven, I gotta figure out how to update the database with a new comma separated value file.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the patients as they are introduced by episode, right?
01:26:32 --> 01:26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So what episode they were introduced it on is where they're listed.
01:26:35 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll try and get that running.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for making that show, guys, because that's super helpful.
01:26:40 --> 01:27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the thing is, with the show guides and that kind of stuff, it's as much for my own benefit, or especially the show tracker, right, the curated list of shows that we pay attention to across not cover, but pay attention to across the sea are the year for lower rounds, is because I needed a gant chart to be able to see when shows were starting stopping for my own education.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And so these are all sort of self.
01:27:07 --> 01:27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Self-servicing tools, right?
01:27:08 --> 01:27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There are all things that I would want for my own interest, say, so.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, John.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else?
01:27:18 --> 01:27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everybody should check out everything else on the network, Alicia's Oscars coverage.
01:27:22 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The 9 of the 7 Kingdoms coverage were wrapping up the season this week.
01:27:26 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, so it should be a lot of fun.
01:27:28 --> 01:27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: On the Oscars coverage, Alicia has an episode out on the BAFTAs right now.
01:27:32 --> 01:27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're into that kind of stuff, check that out.
01:27:36 --> 01:27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested in David Tennant singing 500 miles.
01:27:40 --> 01:27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I did not.
01:27:41 --> 01:27:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't think he did it this year.
01:27:42 --> 01:27:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That was what he did last year for the BAFTAs.
01:27:44 --> 01:27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK.
01:27:45 --> 01:27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He hosted the BAFTAs.
01:27:46 --> 01:27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He came out singing 500 miles.
01:27:47 --> 01:27:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And he would shove the microphone and people's face to go.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Da-da-da-da-da.
01:27:51 --> 01:27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Cute, very funny.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So the elective rambler is just finished up there or they finish the whole time.
01:27:57 --> 01:28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to finish the lore Have you because we got a some early story drop and on Wednesday was gonna it was gonna drop today But because of the pit I'm pushing it to you know a couple days from now got it, but yeah, that'll drop Wednesday Me and Marilyn already recorded it on tour in Torin bar very excited and David We're we're coming up to our artsy recording.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's coming
01:28:17 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to read the freaking book again.
01:28:19 --> 01:28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but it's short though.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's short, too.
01:28:21 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're okay.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing what's the other wind.
01:28:25 --> 01:28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The other wind, that's right.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of remember it.
01:28:28 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm pretty sure my notes are still somewhere around on some.
01:28:31 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably drive somewhere in there.
01:28:33 --> 01:28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And Marilyn has an outline for us already, so.
01:28:35 --> 01:28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank God.
01:28:36 --> 01:28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank God.
01:28:37 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We're good to go.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Some great people.
01:28:39 --> 01:28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We're good to go.
01:28:40 --> 01:28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a two year old outline, so.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We did great.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We did great.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this one done.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We have radioactive ramlings ahead.
01:28:49 --> 01:28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say a second breakfast we recorded our subscriber exclusive story and we talk about a bunch of podcasts news, but we have fun talking about frozen foods.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a fun conversation.
01:29:01 --> 01:29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We got into a weird Costco segway.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because I mean, the children you're in from the Costco.
01:29:07 --> 01:29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And the freezer is here and for the Costco.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have the problem, you know, people say that they don't have an environment that freezer for Costco, you can go to Costco by and buy a big standalone freezer.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And now you have room for all your Costco stuff.
01:29:21 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very, or it's a it's a steak eating its own taste.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, or a boros.
01:29:26 --> 01:29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We had, and then we have our Diane Keaton episode coming up for our 11Zs movie review podcast and we did a Diane Keaton.
01:29:37 --> 01:29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... retrospective and we are watching any hall and i just watched it uh... for myself the other night and we'll be talking about that uh... very probably right on the cusp of the new month yeah i just because of scheduling of life like that but
01:29:51 --> 01:30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly enough, we have a accidentally created a new podcast show, it won't be its own feed just as of yet, but we're calling it into the West because so many of our our acting cadre of the previous generation are moving on from this world.
01:30:09 --> 01:30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't, we were kind of doing it here and there on the eleventhsies podcast, but it was getting a little ridiculous now.
01:30:15 --> 01:30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: it was every month and so we were like, all right, yeah, this cannot be a funeral home of actors.
01:30:21 --> 01:30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:30:22 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So Brian and Lisa, two of our subscribers and active community members, are taking on the point, they're taking points on this project.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be working with them to record and
01:30:43 --> 01:30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the host on duty for that, but we'll bring another people, but we're going to do a kind of a two stage thing where we review somebody's filmography and then we release, we have some sort of voting.
01:30:54 --> 01:31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure it out and then we'll pick one film from their reduced, you know, we'll come up with like 11 films or something like that of their history and then we'll figure out some voting and then we'll watch that movie and review it as a way to encapsulate.
01:31:09 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to do Robert DeVall as our first official podcast for that.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, just recently passed away.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to do Katherine and her hair on some point.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I put it out one?
01:31:21 --> 01:31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe we'll put that right in behind DeVall, because we've already started the research on DeVall.
01:31:25 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We can, because you were not going to put it on 11's, because that was going to, you were going to do it for anyway.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about it.
01:31:31 --> 01:31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But then once, once we got to this pivot point,
01:31:36 --> 01:31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Radio actor Ramlings finished up fallout.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We probably ready to say that.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm cooking up with the guys that Radio actor Ramlings were cooking up some Cosmere coverage to come up later this year.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So stick around for news on that.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Never mind the music.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Still doing their thing.
01:31:52 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Go check them out.
01:31:52 --> 01:31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They had a great episode on him the other day.
01:31:54 --> 01:31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot of fun.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's see what else we have properly Howard.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They're about to start their honeymoon.
01:32:03 --> 01:32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They're, I'm sorry.
01:32:03 --> 01:32:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Not him and their newlyweds.
01:32:05 --> 01:32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: draft pick of films and that was a really interesting thing they did this whole thing where they had to guess if they had seen a film or not of the other one and then there was a whole audience submission process so that season is about to start as soon as they finished with the night of the seven kingdoms this week for that final episode.
01:32:23 --> 01:32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Quick shout out to Captain Spod, too.
01:32:25 --> 01:32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're interested in Starfleet Academy, go check out our friends over there.
01:32:28 --> 01:32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Also check out our friends at the Dune Minute Podcast.
01:32:30 --> 01:32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They are covering the sci-fi mini series.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just on an episode with them, which will be coming out shortly.
01:32:36 --> 01:32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be talking with them more later this year as we get the third movie from Bill Nove and Dune prophecy comes back.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Surprisingly, they didn't cancel it after the first season.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So, as I mean, I'm sure it had good viewership.
01:32:49 --> 01:32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just,
01:32:50 --> 01:32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: less than exciting for.
01:32:52 --> 01:32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:32:52 --> 01:32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just a little right.
01:32:54 --> 01:32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll judge hard to chew through, but let's fingers crossed for season two of the day.
01:32:57 --> 01:32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got themselves.
01:32:58 --> 01:33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I fell off of it, but yeah, maybe I'll come back.
01:33:01 --> 01:33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of falling off things.
01:33:04 --> 01:33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
01:33:05 --> 01:33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: How's the dragon?
01:33:06 --> 01:33:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, we'll talk about that later.
01:33:08 --> 01:33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, all right, all right, let's figure out our plans before we announce anything on there.
01:33:12 --> 01:33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Stick around and use on how's the dragon.
01:33:13 --> 01:33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But there will be house of the dragon coverage on the beach just to be clear.
01:33:17 --> 01:33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, let's figure it out in a configuration here.
01:33:20 --> 01:33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, our Discord server boosters we want to thank Aaron K. To live with the thriller, do 71 Athena A. Lestu Nancy M. Ghost of Preditional Radio Act, Richard and Adrienne.
01:33:30 --> 01:33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: and our more master's David.
01:33:32 --> 01:33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, please.
01:33:33 --> 01:33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:33:54 --> 01:33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: NORALS.
01:33:55 --> 01:34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Cathy W. Lestu, Jeffrey B. Delisa U, Ben B. Scott F. Steven N. Julia F. Colle S. Ill-Mario.
01:34:05 --> 01:34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Paul K. Rocky-Zim, Jessica A.
01:34:08 --> 01:34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: A.
01:34:08 --> 01:34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: A.
01:34:08 --> 01:34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Red Zippy, the T.C.
01:34:09 --> 01:34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: S. Say it with me, John.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Dope, buh, where are you?
01:34:13 --> 01:34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on, hold on, I'm almost ready.
01:34:15 --> 01:34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost ready.
01:34:15 --> 01:34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a second, give me a second, give me a second.
01:34:17 --> 01:34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, go ahead.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Dope, buh, buh, buh.
01:34:22 --> 01:34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got the airport, I was wondering, something like that would be pretty nice when I like it.
01:34:27 --> 01:34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Catch it, L&R, Mrs. Tenant, AC Wilson, Eli W, Cassie K, Chumbaruni, Katilla, Josh Liu, paint in Vx Cori G, Winch, forever last, never least, Adrienne.
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01:34:52 --> 01:34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: John, this was a good podcast.
01:34:53 --> 01:34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This was fun.
01:34:54 --> 01:34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look at our own house.
01:34:55 --> 01:34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at how efficient we are.
01:34:57 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We are.
01:34:57 --> 01:34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been doing this a while, David.
01:34:59 --> 01:35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We're old men now.
01:35:00 --> 01:35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Just a little doctor Abbott.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of battle scars and stare of war, pod kept back in the wars.
01:35:06 --> 01:35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The pod guessed war.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Pod casting and words, the same thing.
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