David and John recap another emotional episode of The Pitt. The system is down, the whiteboards are up, and the Olgilvies are Olgilvie-ing.
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00:17 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the lower-hounds.
00:21 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shit, John, alien invasion.
00:24 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Run!
00:27 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I am John, and I received this outline by Facts as you just heard.
00:31 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: As you just heard, and I'm David, and I'm happy to ride in the back of an ambulance with Dr. Abbott anywhere.
00:37 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can, I don't know, write charts by candlelight together.
00:40 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
00:42 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_02]: This is our coverage of episode eight of season two of the pit to PM.
00:47 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We are well into the afternoon now.
00:49 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And we are well into the show.
00:50 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We started out as a kind of a shorter vibe check podcast and now I just spent like two hours preparing this out of load of admiral act bar.
01:02 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a trap.
01:03 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a trap and I think it took me about two hours to fax it to John too because he had to go to the thrift store by a fax machine.
01:13 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, as always, links for feedback, for discord conversations and subscription stuff.
01:20 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They're all in the show notes of this episode.
01:22 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We have an email address ptmc at thelowerhounds.com.
01:29 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, John, we have a show guide, you know what I'm telling you about the show guide?
01:32 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_02]: David's made a lovely show guide where you can look at all the patients and the characters, look at the patient's conditions, what we're treating.
01:39 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if the if the team here at PTMC had the show guide, they wouldn't have needed joys memory.
01:46 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
01:48 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that the show guide works great on mobile.
01:58 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: on a regular computer because you're getting sort of scroll through and if you have to remember a doctor's name or if you want to look up a quick patient details like, wait, who's that patient?
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What was their chief complaint?
02:07 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That kind of stuff.
02:08 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a really great, handy quick reference instead of just searching the internet set random though.
02:15 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll put a link for that resource in the show notes as well for this episode.
02:21 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Very cool.
02:22 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Well David, let's get right into it.
02:23 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of the episode?
02:25 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It was an interesting episode, I didn't really appreciate some of the subtlety that was going on in the episode until I started doing the outline from the breakdown stuff.
02:40 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And there are two questions that sort of arise in this episode, one, how we treat people in difficult circumstances.
02:47 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And then how far do we go when we're looking to relieve suffering, even though that relief
02:54 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So we have a lot of conversations in this one about dignity and care, you know, how, you know, a person's behavior relates to how that care is delivered.
03:06 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we have Jackie LaDelle who, you know, has the tongue laceration Howard Knox who is the obese character and Roxy Hamler who's going through, you know, terminal cancer.
03:17 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But then we have some interesting things, too, with McKay and Langdon in terms of dignity in care, because they're both recovering and our professionals in their field, and so how do we treat those people with dignity when they're making good faith efforts to return?
03:36 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, what is the balance between giving you some grace to improve yourself, but also making sure that you're not being given power when you're not wielding it responsibly?
03:47 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly, and then to earn that trust to gain that power back to have this face to earn that trust.
03:53 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
03:54 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But then we also have the doctrine of double effect, and I've got some more notes about that later on.
04:00 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, in the eye medicine, that's a double effect scenario right there.
04:06 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously treating Howard, there's a lot of medical procedures that are threatening his life.
04:13 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: not only does Roxy managing her pain meds and that kind of stuff, so I thought that was really interesting.
04:20 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They're really thinking deeply in developing these scripts in a very, I really love to be in the right of room to hear some of the conversations and how they decide
04:34 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: for the, you know, oh, this episode is going to be about this or how are we going to assign that and, you know, break these things down.
04:40 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's really good stuff.
04:42 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also an interesting theme of resilience in there, like how do we, how do we pick up the pieces after a, you know, technology that we've been relying on goes out and we dealt with that during the pandemic in some ways.
04:56 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: people are thinking about it now in terms of what's going on with certain types of enforcement in this country, you know, what is resilience look like?
05:04 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we can talk about some of that as well, because like, you got to have, you got to have things to be able to be resilient, right?
05:11 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that they rolled those whiteboards out, that was really quick.
05:14 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They had them somewhere.
05:16 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got to talk about that like the the cutouts.
05:20 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't talk about the stand-up thing where they had the cutouts of like what part of your mind exactly.
05:26 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, you know that that
05:32 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: ready to explain to everybody, you know it's a teaching hospital right there teachers I get it but still they're like flipping it out in a dramatic fact, but but Abbott was overjoyed to be a kind of business, you know like I watch you get a role like these guys having the time of his 100% well you did say this is going to be fun so uh but then for the show itself this episode was hitting me in the fields like
05:56 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of expecting the whole season was going to, when I did my season one rewatch before we started.
06:03 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I'd into the season one rewatch, you know what I think about it, I have to calibrate what I'm saying here a little bit.
06:09 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched a couple of key episodes, and all of those key episodes were hitting me in the fields.
06:15 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I have this impression that season one was hitting me in the fields almost every episode.
06:21 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But this episode, the season is doing that less on a consistent basis in my reconstructed memory, you know, my reconstructed perception of my experiences, season one.
06:33 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: but there were a couple moments with Howard and with Dana and Elana in the rape collection stuff that was just or even there was a quick moment with Roxy where I was just really got, they really got.
06:48 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, this is what I'm expecting this show to do.
06:52 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's interesting because the construction of the season that had been flowed the pacing of
07:00 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: what they're presenting to us and what might seem to be mundane is actually more nuanced.
07:05 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be really interesting to do a full season rewatch after it's all over to, you know, yeah, feel how it flows overall.
07:15 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's also a show that a lot of people binge after season one myself included.
07:20 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Word, yeah.
07:21 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And so this is a different experience for us going into season two, right as a community, I think.
07:27 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and now, man, they're like the reddit boards are just lit up after an episode.
07:33 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
07:33 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
07:34 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_02]: This might be the biggest show on this year.
07:37 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
07:37 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know, I know, and I know that seven kingdoms was big, but I think this is a bigger viewership, probably.
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's more accessible.
07:43 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Where 97 kingdoms is going to be selected.
07:46 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: People are going to know that was that game and throw them stuff.
07:48 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to be interested in investing.
07:51 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: People forget that Game of Thrones was the exception to the role, which is that most people
07:55 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_02]: to like big fantasy shows are not the main attraction from watching TV, the Game of Thrones broke through that barrier and a lot more people are watching it than normally watch fantasy shows but that doesn't mean that they kept watching fantasy shows and this is certainly right they didn't stick around into the fan fantasy genre that's a good point so uh... the other thing that i was noticing we were chatting on the discord a little bit about this every character
08:22 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: In this, even if they're just a minor medical condition, they treat everyone in, in a three-dimensional fashion, and we, with some of our other characters, we get, that we get to be with for longer, we get to explore those facets more, but they don't ever,
08:44 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: create as you're being sort of standouts or cutouts that are or two dimensional.
08:48 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's the, that's the bad guy.
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That's except maybe Oglely.
08:52 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
08:53 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, there is no redeeming quality here.
08:56 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I have some notes about Ogleval.
08:59 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, and that's what I'm saying.
09:01 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_00]: is be prepared for Ogil V to have the camera, the POV swing around, and oh, he's three dimensional.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's interesting.
09:11 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_02]: If they're going to do that, they went way too heavy head of this episode.
09:14 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it intentionally did so.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But this was heavy head.
09:18 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: This was like, oh my god, how could this bug guy be a bigger asshole?
09:22 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: If you go back and you watch what he was saying and you pay attention to what's going on, he's just got poor social skills.
09:32 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not actually being rude to how he's being rude because he's being obtuse or not paying attention.
09:42 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I could excuse the zoo comment like that, but he's saying, oh, I wonder why when they couldn't get an IV, like that's just rude.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just straight up being mean.
09:51 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But then that's how, do have you done it?
09:54 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I did a second watch and I was paying very close attention to Oval fee because I know that this is because there's a lot of hate on the internet right now for Oval fee.
10:02 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was very keenly attuned to what he was saying and what he was doing at different, so we're kind of talking about O'Golfi now, so whatever we'll get into that.
10:10 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He says the Zooline, but then he's like, what?
10:16 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just thinking about how to do this, right?
10:21 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I get that one.
10:22 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that one I think you can excuse that way.
10:24 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think the other ones you can.
10:25 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's concerned for the patient shows up in rude ways.
10:30 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not disputing that.
10:32 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's saying, oh, we'll go via Zempic, you know, water or aerobics, and they're like, go, he is, you know, let's treat the patient, not, you know, for the acute care, not for the general lifestyles, but he's thinking about the holistic aspect of the patient.
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What he says, wonder why, yeah, that's a little bit of a rude comment.
10:53 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: and he gets checked for that, and that's good.
10:56 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when you look at his behavior,
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And you look at who he is, and I'm approaching him as a three-dimensional person.
11:06 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's studied the shit out of medicine.
11:10 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows all these obscure references to all these obscure conditions.
11:15 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He memorized the survival rates of all of these things.
11:21 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get to this job without working his ass off to get here.
11:27 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, he cares about his profession.
11:31 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants this as his first day.
11:33 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to do a good job.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's excited.
11:36 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's a person who doesn't have a kind of social awareness or diplomacy or good graces, right?
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit obtuse.
11:46 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and I think it comes off easy to see him as being like a jerk.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We thought joy was a jerk, but then we learned a little bit.
11:53 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly didn't think joy was a jerk.
11:55 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If you go back, if you go back in the podcast, I was the joy defender from the beginning.
12:00 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll tell you why it's Ogilvier related, is that Ogilvier spent the first half of the season talking over her.
12:06 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_02]: and kind of belittle it a little bit right and he is the rude loud white man in the room trying to be the loudest person in the room well the the woman of color who's extremely competent seems like might be more competent than him based on her diagnosis sure some turn fair
12:27 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you could be as book smart as you want, but if you're not, if you don't have the humility to learn on the job, then you're not going to be a good doctor.
12:37 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not disagreeing with any of that, and I'm not disagreeing with how they've portrayed it.
12:43 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, watch.
12:46 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's watch and see what the writers do with this character to see if they give us some other insights into who he is.
12:53 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't doubt that they will at least try to do that.
12:56 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying he was so over the top and asshole, this episode that I am going to struggle with that pivot.
13:04 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I would say go back and pay attention to what he's saying.
13:07 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying like we should elevate him above any of the other doctors or anything like that.
13:11 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying there is, and I think they're doing it, I just think they're doing this very intentionally.
13:19 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't doubt that.
13:21 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, everything is intentional.
13:23 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a written show, right?
13:24 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't doubt that it's an intentional, like, look how much of an asshole this guy is.
13:28 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And later, you know, he's a lovable asshole.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I just, and maybe that, but maybe they're not, right?
13:33 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe it's going to be, okay, this guy kind of just gets forced out at the end of the day, right?
13:37 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_02]: We've never seen someone get fired yet.
13:39 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, we'll see somebody get fired.
13:41 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm going to in the whole point of this episode is about dignity, right?
13:46 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He is being ignorant of people's dignity.
13:49 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know how to do that.
13:52 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not saying that he does.
13:55 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What I'm saying is that he does it.
13:57 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's so hyper-focused on his profession.
14:00 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And on his first day, and I'm making a good appearance, he's probably a kid who's always excelled and topped everyone else in these sort of things because young people vibes, whatever.
14:14 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'm, I am just waiting for them to see how they unfold his care.
14:19 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's my argument.
14:21 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
14:22 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Gotta wait till the end of the season, but, um, so far right now, I am just like, can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Can he just be fine already?
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
14:29 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:31 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:32 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:33 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:36 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:37 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:38 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we just get rid of Okolvi?
14:39 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Can
14:39 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to be clear like these people.
14:41 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people who like don't like the character and then like mean to the actor and like I don't understand that The actor was good.
14:48 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you hated the character.
14:49 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a written role.
14:51 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:51 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:52 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He's doing a great job though.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He's doing a great job milking that.
14:56 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: One last thing I wanted to throw out really quick is I've been avoiding the next, you know, the teaser for the next episode at the end of the episode after the credits.
15:11 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: because I don't want to be spoiled, I just want to break fresh.
15:13 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But I did skip ahead and I was able to watch the behind the scenes.
15:17 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a behind the scenes segment, I guess, at the end of most episodes.
15:21 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been watching that.
15:22 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know they were there until I kind of skipped.
15:26 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, whoa, like, wow, this one talked about the set and some of their production stuff.
15:34 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They built this, this is a purpose of built ER.
15:39 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of the assistant directors, the camera operators, the, you know, all of the production people, they're all wearing scrubs.
15:51 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So you will see crew members, cast members, you know, people who are not cast members.
15:56 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
15:56 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: In the background, turns out that they are actually a production person, but you can't tell because they're nothing.
16:02 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The camera operators who are following a river, they're wearing the same outfits that like the nurses
16:10 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And in case they're in there, they could maybe angle it.
16:13 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to avoid the camera.
16:14 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:14 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have all this stuff and they have everything mapped out.
16:17 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They have these like incredible spreadsheets for how to do their dialogue and the camera shots.
16:24 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It is incredible production that these guys are putting together.
16:27 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would definitely say go check out the behind-the-scenes little feature at it's like two or three minutes long for episode eight because it's a it's a real eye opener.
16:38 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, that's what I got.
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you got for hot takes?
16:42 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was already kind of sharing them with you in the middle of yours.
16:45 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think it was a great episode.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It made me emotional too.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You were talking about it making you emotional.
16:52 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I...
16:54 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_02]: was perhaps a little sensitive on a couple issues this episode just because of my family's history.
16:59 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but I was thinking of you during that.
17:02 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not even that, like, I mean, we can wait for a couple scenes later, but there's there's stuff that like I have watched happen that make me.
17:11 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
17:12 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, especially with, uh,
17:14 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Howard Knox, I want to talk about that scene, but we'll get there in a minute.
17:19 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I do really like this that Langdon is starting to fit in a little bit more restarted to reassert his dominance, not dominance, his confidence, a little bit.
17:29 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I am excited for the Santos turnaround.
17:32 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she's going to really turn around now that she's not attached to charting.
17:37 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: That is.
17:38 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't there a lot of Santos hate for in season one?
17:41 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, you know, there's Santos hate a lot because she is a bully.
17:45 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's undeniable.
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_02]: She's a bully.
17:49 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Now is she a bully with a lot of trauma?
17:52 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like, yeah, I think a lot of bullies have a lot of trauma, doesn't excuse being a bully.
17:57 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No, um, you got to be responsible for your hate behavior.
18:00 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
18:01 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
18:01 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
18:02 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm not saying I'm not disabusing Ogilvi of not being responsible for his behavior in his works, right?
18:09 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just just to make sure people don't add me on that.
18:12 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no, it's Ogilvi.
18:13 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The difference I see between Ogilvi and Santos is that Santos has shown us that she has a lot of empathy, especially for certain types of cases, um, and is able to have a good
18:28 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So she has a lot of redeeming qualities.
18:31 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I have seen nothing redeeming and openly.
18:33 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I make a difference and am I saying that that will never happen?
18:37 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I know the show can turn around right with it But I also like I don't even think in San Jose's worst moments.
18:44 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: She'd been quite as mean especially to patients As old people the Javadi during season one.
18:49 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: She was horrible
18:51 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but to find it on a patient, so she doesn't count.
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just to call it.
18:56 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I get it.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just call it.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Call it, cause that's one thing.
18:59 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_02]: But patients, that's not a whole other.
19:01 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I will say like, it is, it's almost like, you know, you can, you can tell a lot about somebody about how they treat wheat staff, right?
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And they treat service staff.
19:09 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a real thing.
19:10 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You can also tell a lot about somebody on how they treat people on their worst moments, like people who have to go to the ER.
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
19:16 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And, oh, we'll be somebody who kicks down, I think, who punches down, and I don't like that.
19:21 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_02]: At least Santos is swinging to her sides.
19:27 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Robby is rightfully pissed I think about how this cyber security thing was handled.
19:34 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: All Hashimi, I am very surprised that she is taking a risk here because she has been very risk-averse generally this episode, and I'm excited to see where that goes.
19:47 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I like the themes that you pulled out.
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to let you introduce them.
19:50 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
19:50 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you already kind of alluded to them, but
19:53 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: this quality of care thing, this dignity and care thing you really think, right, is going very strongly through this episode and in a lot of different ways to manifest.
20:06 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: This showed us a really good job of like taking one issue and examining it through different cases in a really smart way.
20:12 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That is only possible in a show like this, not in the mystery of the week medical
20:21 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I was really surprised when I started breaking the episode of part.
20:25 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, there's a structure within the structure here.
20:28 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:29 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That is really, that they're turning the show around breaking the story and writing these scripts and shooting in this pacing is, it's an incredible achievement in what they're doing.
20:42 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we in a golden era that a cool show is with this in Scrubbs coming back?
20:45 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you were your Scrubbs guy in this game?
20:47 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't.
20:48 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not opposed to it.
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I just never really got into it.
20:51 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just funny that like that's coming back and this is huge now.
20:54 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We're in another golden age of medical shows that has not been seen since the early 2000s.
20:59 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We have this series on the pit of the pit on one end of the spectrum and then we have Scrubbs on the other end, so it's an interesting phenomenon, no doubt.
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_02]: people seem to be liking the new scrubs episodes too.
21:09 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
21:09 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_02]: They were well received.
21:11 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like that's good to hear.
21:13 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's good here.
21:13 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's uh, uh, I think it's a well-loved show.
21:16 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a beloved show.
21:18 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
21:18 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You like it?
21:18 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we do a deeper?
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
21:20 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I was never into it really.
21:21 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I did.
21:22 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I never had any against it.
21:23 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I maybe I can't even remember if I watched a, I thought it was funny.
21:27 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:27 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so it's, but it's within that sort of,
21:31 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: community or vibe right or yeah it's like kind of a mockumentary yeah the office kind of parking mark was was the office was the UK office that ur television show for that kind of mockumentary thing where they want the ones to break open that for them they were okay I believe they were
21:51 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They spawned a whole.
21:52 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that is, you know, it's, I mean, everything to what we do in the shadows to our flag means death to.
21:58 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
21:59 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Lower decks, you know, all kinds of stuff.
22:02 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty wild.
22:03 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And now there's, there's even a, what is it?
22:06 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched some of the first season of it.
22:10 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: There's another show on peacock right now that's basically like a documentary for medical.
22:15 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, haven't don't know about what am I what am I trying to find you know let's get right into the episode I'm gonna find out what the what show is called okay.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do it to do a break and then we can get in that Yeah, we'll flow then all right.
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you right after the break
22:41 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It's synced in its medical.
22:42 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I've found out during the break.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
22:45 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good.
22:45 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the best show I've ever seen, but it was fun.
22:47 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, everything.
22:48 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, cool.
22:50 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Should we talk about some of the characters first?
22:52 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: To start, or did you want to talk about one of the themes?
22:55 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think let's get into the characters and talk about the themes as we go.
22:58 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a hard show to like.
23:01 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
23:01 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Navigate through everything so interconnected.
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it will sort of traverse as best we can.
23:08 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... robby and all she me we have this whole sort of folks in medicine with the dry erase boards versus the eight we got a little you know is your a.i.a.a.b.
23:18 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: still going to be available right can i ask you to yeah how uh... yeah that was i couldn't tell if that was sass from sandals
23:25 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think you can't not.
23:27 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're like every computer says not available and you can't you're asking about the AI And Alha should be does give her a look like why would you even ask me that?
23:37 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time can I ask you a question?
23:38 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_02]: How did Alha show me print out the stats for that patient?
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a really good question.
23:46 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they have a fuck?
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's a
23:49 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of an experimental treatment.
23:51 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, uh, yeah, that's a really good point.
23:54 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:54 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:54 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:55 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:55 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:55 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:55 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:55 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
23:55 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you already print that out?
23:56 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, I don't think so.
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
23:59 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They go down before a patient got in.
24:02 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:02 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an emergent case.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good point.
24:05 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe a little production error there.
24:07 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
24:08 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
24:08 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew he called.
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
24:09 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
24:09 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they meant to have that earlier and they forgot.
24:12 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they just roll with it.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a good point though.
24:19 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they, you know, if this is like a rare treatment, I don't think they had pamphlets.
24:23 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say she just didn't go to the library, wire rack, you know, spinning wire rack and pull it off the shelf of pamphlets.
24:31 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You ever watch 30 Rock and there's there's that episode where Liz's dentist says I printed this out for you it cost me a lot of money But it's important for you and it just says hard cheeses in your root canal
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think this is a custom-made thing.
24:49 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_02]: This was a really interesting moment for me, because this is the first time I think we've seen Al Hashimi take that risk.
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, she does do the informed consent thing.
24:59 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_02]: She does, which, you know, that informed consent is even stronger than regular consent, right?
25:05 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to, you have to explain all the risks.
25:09 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to explain all the material risks here.
25:11 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And at each stage,
25:13 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you have to have the person acknowledge like, okay, here's this bit got that.
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.
25:18 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the next bit that relates.
25:19 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have to go through step by step.
25:22 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just go blank it and then go go no go.
25:26 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be detailed.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Was this a surprising to you?
25:31 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about the risk so much.
25:33 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Robbie, Robbie comes in and says, well, I won't be here for the aftermath.
25:37 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want?
25:38 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a whole other thing that I'm really annoyed at because he's got, he kind of wants it both ways.
25:45 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:45 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, if you, everybody, I'm out.
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha, see you suckers.
25:51 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But not until I leave, you got to respect me.
25:53 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to respect my authority, right?
25:56 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, are you in or you out guy?
25:58 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's part of what happened with the hospital administration.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, bro, you're out.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got a few more hours left on your shift.
26:06 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: All of how she means going to be here to carry over the pieces.
26:10 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He's having pregnant right now.
26:12 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, come on Robby, you can't, you can't do it both ways.
26:18 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't do it both ways.
26:19 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's right, especially if like, our house should be as gonna oversee the input of all the use.
26:26 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_02]: physical charts into the computer.
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit.
26:30 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_02]: She should be the one who is briefed on everything.
26:34 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:34 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to know about he's because he started at seven.
26:37 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
26:37 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So his shift is probably supposed to stop in like a couple hours.
26:41 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:43 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the season.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's conceivable.
26:46 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what I'm saying.
26:46 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, not that they've always extended.
26:49 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how we get to 15.
26:56 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... yeah so i think that's an interesting point to because how are they going to they've got to get all these charts back into the system right for a patient care and continuity of care uh... maybe that's where all Hashimi's uh... a.i.a.
27:11 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_00]: system is going to
27:12 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's going to do very well.
27:14 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, did you see there was this great meme on Reddit where they said when the nurse gives, I forgot which nurse gave it to her, but one of the nurses gave Santos a five hour interview.
27:27 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_02]: They said, oh, it's only another six hours here.
27:29 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the princess are per lie.
27:31 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
27:31 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was one of them.
27:32 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: but but they said me watching watching the nurse say five hours left knowing that there's eight episodes left in the season and it's Walter White shouting out of the car door of the car window.
27:44 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
27:49 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Another interesting thing that was going on with Al Hashimi is that her and Santos are back on a little bit of good footing.
27:57 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: right she's uh... she's uh... she's getting sort of the mentorship uh... so so all hey she me kind of stomped on her a little bit like would be ashamed to repeat your second year but now scientists like hey i'm working on my chart i'm doing the stuff i almost gave this uh... misdiagnosis but i got it you know i i held back and i got it corrected
28:16 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's really starting to get in line with how all Hashimi mentors, right?
28:25 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And does her work in terms of teaching the hospital, which is going to be obviously different from Robbie.
28:31 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's an interesting point there is how do you work with different co-workers, especially different supervisors in the same unit or in the same part of the institution?
28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a question now.
28:43 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it out of character for Santos to confess to almost making a frivolous order to this person who's about to, it was like the red link to the holder back?
28:53 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point because she's admitting to a mistake and she doesn't like to do that often.
29:02 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:04 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I thought that was kind of out of character.
29:06 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple like weird.
29:09 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_02]: moments that I thought meant to like strength in the bottom between all Hashemian people that didn't seem to flow with the writing.
29:15 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It was that one and then when Mohan comes in and goes, oh you know, I'm actually thinking about applying for this fellowship like lady you just met this woman like you guys just met like why would you talk why would you be talking to her about it?
29:27 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It felt like a conversation that um it was a non-secretor.
29:31 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It was it was a conversation that she would be having with somebody she'd be working on there for like a month at least.
29:36 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Who did she me work with at the VA?
29:39 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Because a couple of them had interactions with her before.
29:42 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it was Mel's King, but I don't remember if it was anybody else.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
29:49 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she did.
29:49 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
29:51 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if I was just wondering if that's the case.
29:54 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're right, it is a very familiar conversation.
29:57 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is something that it'd be a kind of conversation that you would have with your mentor.
30:02 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, I've been working with you for a couple of weeks.
30:04 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: or longer, and you're invested in my career, and I'm invested in you helping me guide my career.
30:13 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a, or maybe it was just an opening play by Mohan to get all Hashimi interested in her career.
30:21 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So, maybe she did, maybe I just forgot about this.
30:26 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I don't remember, like maybe somebody could write in or something, I don't know.
30:29 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... i'm googling and right now furiously okay good luck that's a tough search that's a okay she actually supposedly according to google she did work with doctor al has she me so i guess i just have a bad memory on this that's my that's it's not a character and uh... i'm not gonna edit this out because the people deserve to know about my ignorance
30:49 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Can they deserve to know?
30:51 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have an arc?
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a redemption arc, John?
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I might have a redemption arc.
30:54 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we make space to further?
30:55 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Please don't, please don't compare me to all will be.
30:57 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's... let's move on.
31:00 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, real quick about Mohan, do you think geriatric care is an appropriate...
31:06 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that'd be perfect for her.
31:08 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that I don't think that the ER is the place for someone who likes to spend time with their patients.
31:15 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: and you know, really like get to know them and have empathy for them.
31:19 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like this pit ER is like the least realistic ER in terms of how much time they spend with the patients, how much care they put into it, I'm not, the ER does amazing work, all these ER people in real life do amazing work.
31:37 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And they save so many lives and they work hard, but I'm just saying like they are so overwork and they're still little time.
31:44 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you really get to see these people that I've been in many years with my parents and whatnot and like the doctors barely there and not and it's not their fault like I'm not blaming the doctor.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: They're charting the system.
31:57 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They're busy charting by kids.
31:58 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They're busy charting, you know, they can't be held back in R2.
32:01 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if I remember right, Mohan last season during season one, Robbie, that was one of
32:14 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because hospital administration was on top of Robby about clearing cases and moving along.
32:20 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what also about patient service factions?
32:22 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And which is a no-win scenario, right?
32:27 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
32:27 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Total Kobyashi Maru situation.
32:29 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And Mohan, I think if I remember right, she was wanting to spend that time with her patients.
32:38 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: and go the extra mile for them.
32:40 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, maybe in a different clinical setting, she would be a better pace.
32:44 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, this ER experience is going to do her wonders for her career, no matter where she goes.
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:50 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It does seem like kind of the the crucible, right?
32:53 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: This situation where you you have to figure out what you're good at and what you're not going to have very quickly.
33:00 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
33:07 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and that was one of the things I was saying about the pacing, another show would have started to develop that relationship a little bit more.
33:14 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We would have leaned into it.
33:15 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We would have taken the next step, but this show will just complete, will open up a little storyline and then completely back out of it for two or three episodes.
33:23 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there were a couple of two, three episodes.
33:25 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't even heard we're seeing from baby Jake Dow, uh,
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We had a summer resolution this day.
33:33 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody took me up on my Dana sending in their Dana voices.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe they will next week.
33:39 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you didn't offer a prize, so.
33:42 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a good point.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What should the prize be?
33:43 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
33:46 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was David's undying admiration.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:51 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to work for a lot of people.
33:53 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So what else do you want to talk about?
33:56 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: There's so much in this episode, you brought up dignity of care.
33:59 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, the Howard Knox thing.
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just, you know, speak from personal experience.
34:04 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: My dad was a big guy, very big guy, my whole life.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that affected his health.
34:10 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And, was part of his fairly early death.
34:14 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
34:15 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen this kind of like just the minute that you're overweight, especially, you know,
34:23 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: very overweight.
34:24 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Doctors will start to ignore other possible explanations.
34:28 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And they will do a very bad job diagnosing you and figuring out what's wrong.
34:34 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I really love that all these other doctors are doing a great job actually looking for the problem and not just being like, well, he's just fat.
34:43 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: but Ogle the little triggering from that.
34:47 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's why I hate him so much.
34:49 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a good one.
34:50 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Because his comments are insensitive and rude, even though they may be rooted in a place of concern or interest.
35:00 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I literally at one point was talking to the ER doctors and or I think it was a nurse who was calling me and they were trying to get me to admit that my father was an alcoholic because he had liver damage and he like very obviously was not an alcoholic.
35:19 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Why were they asking you to to that's because they wanted to dismiss the issue.
35:24 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what they wanted to do.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I see.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That was because he had fatty.
35:27 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He had non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, which is, you know, it's partially genetic.
35:32 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's partly partially weight-related and it did a lot of damage to his liver over a couple of decades.
35:37 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, like I'm telling you like these these people there's a it's a big problem in medicine is fat phobia and and really dismissing people who have Um, who struggle with their weight So I just wanted to flag that and that's why I was really sensitive to all these stuff.
35:58 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I see that in action and it's not just a fantasy here
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
36:03 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't thought about it in that regard because I'm just thinking of all medical care professionals as people, little angel wings, right?
36:10 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_00]: When they're just as pressurized and busy and have their own biases and internal, or, you know, yeah, and the system.
36:19 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
36:20 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about this on Discord the other day, completely unrelated, but the system is really trained.
36:24 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_02]: to just be like fat, bad, and any excess weight is your demise, and that is the cause of your problem.
36:32 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not a symptom, and that's not a, it's a beautiful thing.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You did this will right, right?
36:36 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way against all.
36:39 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a moral judgment that happens to fat people, and I'm using the preferred term of fat activists.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
36:48 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_02]: There is, and I recommend this podcast before I think Baton is facing a great podcast.
36:54 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's a lot of great episodes of that podcast where they talk about how there is a moral judgment on people Yes, um, who are fat and I again using that term that is the preferred term of activists in that community When like there is not a moral judgment for pretty much any other health condition
37:16 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's tough, it's tough.
37:18 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are other health conditions with, you know, STDs have moral judgment, drug addiction has moral judgment, but we don't, I don't think, I think people understand that those are bad moral judgments and there's been work to undo that.
37:30 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's been much work to undo.
37:33 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: the fat fobia in medical community.
37:36 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's trained into them in medical school too.
37:39 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even just like societal.
37:41 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:42 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked how Garcia when they pulled off to the side to have that conversation about, you know, having an operation to figure out what's going on.
37:49 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: that, in fact, all of them, they're like, okay, well, the RCT scanner has this much capacity.
37:58 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The rate of mortality for a patient with this condition is unacceptable in this regard, which brings into the double, the doctrine of double effect interestingly in a moment.
38:09 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But Garcia was just like,
38:11 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to operate on this guy because that may actually put his life in danger relative to, you know, his condition.
38:17 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's not like, gross fat, I can't or, you know, get an operate on him.
38:20 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a horrible conversation to have.
38:23 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
38:24 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciated that.
38:27 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: in that conversation, and I think maybe that's what they're using Ogilvy in a little bit of a foil position here in that his insensitivity and his asking of inappropriate questions that have nothing to do with his acute care in that moment.
38:43 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
38:43 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are totally inappropriate questions.
38:45 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They have nothing to do with like how we're going to take care of you, Howard, but it's kind of a foil to show how the other ones are being level-headed and treating him
38:57 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's right.
38:59 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, you see the way he talks and like, well, why aren't you doing water aerobics?
39:04 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, who has access to water aerobics?
39:06 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I just say that?
39:06 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, you listen to him.
39:08 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't talk enough about also the intersectionality here.
39:12 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He says he was in a car accident.
39:14 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He got, he lost his job.
39:15 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So clearly he's, he's probably on some kind of government benefits program.
39:19 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_02]: He has probably no extra cash.
39:22 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's barely hanging on.
39:24 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And he, you know, what's he going to, how's he going to get anywhere?
39:29 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a pro.
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have any family.
39:30 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_02]: He has the question.
39:32 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:32 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and you talk about the intersectionality of all that, like, and also who's going to pay for their will go V, right?
39:38 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have any money.
39:39 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: super expensive.
39:41 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's just saying, why haven't you solved this problem?
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what that's what Olga will be saying.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get that that's inappropriate.
39:50 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right exactly.
39:50 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: To voice that in that moment.
39:54 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this dignity and care of care kind of thing too.
39:58 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a line that Dana says that I think I pulled this out.
40:04 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember where
40:06 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think it's when she's talked to Alana at some point on something about I'm in paraphrasing here.
40:12 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We honor what you choose to endure the system must rise to that.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
40:19 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: A little emotional there.
40:21 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That our systems that we build these systems that are served or built to serve the system itself.
40:31 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: and not the human beings that like look at modern airline travel.
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It sucks, right?
40:37 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:37 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's designed to move numbers.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not designed to move human beings.
40:42 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:43 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, who have dignity and autonomy?
40:46 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, human beings, we were messy.
40:48 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, doubt about it and all of that kind of stuff.
40:50 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's about cash and hand, you know, bombs on seats and getting from A to B.
40:55 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how we make our money.
40:56 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And now, bombs and faces have you seen the new seat?
41:02 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I've had a lot on airplanes.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a lot of things I am going to be very soon.
41:05 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it's this idea, and I'll contrast it a little bit too, you know, I have a child in the fifth grade, and we go to our parent teacher conferences and we get the report cards and all that kind of stuff, and it's at least in our school system and in our district.
41:31 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: the mechanicalistic, the mechanistic aspects of elementary education.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not in middle school yet, and we're not in high school yet.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what's up there yet.
41:43 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But my child doesn't come home with a past-fail gradation system, right?
41:51 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: She comes home with a sort of a curvy-like thing,
41:59 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: and capability, and what we've studied for a long-ass time and education now, the majority of the kids are going to be in this little range right here.
42:08 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Your kid is either above or below that range.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So if they're above or below, they're not failing as a moral failing.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't choose to fail.
42:18 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They are having whatever issues they're having, so we're going to provide that extra level of support.
42:27 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_00]: and if you're achieving ahead, we're gonna give you more.
42:30 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're behind where we think you should be, we're gonna make sure that you have the support to learn what you need to be learning at this point.
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're not failing you.
42:41 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you got a D, you're off to auto shop, right?
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Go down to the shop class or whatever.
42:46 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not treating a, we're not, it's not mechanistic anymore.
42:51 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's attending to the human being.
42:54 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a great way that we can see some of those shifts of trying to bring humanity back into our institutional systems.
43:03 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's great.
43:05 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I've seen that.
43:07 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know where you're in this school district.
43:09 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:10 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm hoping when we move next year, we'll find a good school district with someone.
43:14 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I don't know how this is applied across the way.
43:17 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I know we all have a different experience as I'm just appreciating that my child doesn't have to.
43:22 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We have the fear of getting a CD or F, right?
43:25 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're like, hey, you're having trouble in math.
43:27 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We see you're having trouble in math.
43:29 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get you in a small group where you can work in drill.
43:33 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's getting small group and breakout instruction.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, oh, these are the dumb kids.
43:38 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, we're in kindergarten right now.
43:40 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's not a lot of rating going on.
43:43 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
43:43 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we'll say we'll see how it goes.
43:46 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of quick things more on dignity and care stuff and just thinking I was thinking through it a little bit about like what what constitutes good patient care.
43:55 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: um, respecting for somebody's autonomy and agency, uh, and you do that by, like asking, can you breathe if we lay you down?
44:04 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, state the truth.
44:06 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this is going to be uncomfortable, or this might be scary, or you'd have a weird, this is going to be weird for you.
44:13 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us how it goes.
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you okay?
44:15 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Olga will be says how you do it and it gives him a thumbs up.
44:18 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: you preserve patient privacy and dignity, right?
44:21 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So they talk about room numbers and they use abbreviated diagnosis codes, right?
44:25 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So that, you know, people, whoever's in two is having this.
44:29 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no one can figure out what PSI means.
44:32 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, right, that's, yeah.
44:35 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I don't know how much privacy is really with that board.
44:39 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you reduce it, you're making it harder for, you know,
44:42 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_00]: you're you're you're using technical jargon which is interesting to to help you know veil slightly you know a patient's condition but then you went knowing when and when not to use terminology in jargon the uh when uh Brooke says in English please when she's saying hey like what
45:05 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right so there's a great little encapsulation of jargon and terminology in that thing where they're talking in front of somebody who's paying very close attention and is not going to be afraid to ask questions when they don't know what's going on.
45:19 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah so in dignity and cares like how do you how do you provide critical care in a fast-paced high-pressurized environment while treating the
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And how do you do that when someone is dying?
45:35 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
45:37 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Like with Roxy.
45:38 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
45:39 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
45:40 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to bring that in?
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about Roxy.
45:43 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you where your thoughts with Roxy?
45:47 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, her parents might maybe would have been better for them to stay for a minute and have the husband take the kids out for, you know, I don't know why they didn't do that.
45:58 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe just to give them another moment alone to talk me.
46:01 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who called the parents.
46:02 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe the husband is the one who called them so that You know, they could try to talk sense into where you want to go home You know now and maybe they said like maybe these two just ain't talk alone away from the kids for a minute Because it's they're I remember last episode there were a lot of conversations happening for the For those kids where I'm like, I don't know if these kids are old enough to hear that yet
46:24 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And the one kid, I think it was, is it Shane was like, no, I don't want to leave because he's like, what if something happens?
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm getting ice cream.
46:30 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll never love ice cream again.
46:32 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I get it.
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as an adult, I get it.
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I,
46:39 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember I was reading a novel when my father passed away and I I could never pick it up again because it's just, you know, rowing for me.
46:48 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
46:49 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I, when when I knew my mother was imminently passing away, I stopped reading one of my favorite series.
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what wouldn't be ruined for.
46:57 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So it wouldn't be affected by it.
46:59 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I had recently finished one of the books and I said, I'm not.
47:01 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not starting the next one until everything is all done.
47:05 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
47:06 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a wise choice, it was a wise choice.
47:09 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Quick shout out to John Gets, is it John Gets?
47:13 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, John Gets.
47:14 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Not Howard A.
47:15 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why I have Howard in there.
47:16 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a John Gets.
47:18 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's a well-known character actor has a massive television filmography, I guess you call it, I don't know whatever.
47:26 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've been on a number of shows.
47:28 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of people recognized him when he showed up there as dad.
47:36 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you make of the nod, the look and the nod that Roxie shared with you?
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_02]: The with the dad.
47:44 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:45 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
47:46 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_02]: With her dad or the dad.
47:48 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: With her dad.
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So her dad was her dad as he as everybody else leaves through.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the last one to leave the room.
47:55 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And they share a look.
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was just like thank you for, you know, clearing out for everybody.
48:00 --> 48:00 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
48:01 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading deep, I was reading more into it.
48:03 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_00]: What were you reading into it?
48:05 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm reading into it like the kind of a definite dignity thing.
48:12 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe she's had conversations with him about this.
48:20 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm ready.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:22 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to figure it out.
48:24 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, I'm getting like super emotional, man.
48:29 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
48:30 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all right, everybody.
48:32 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Pivot off this topic.
48:35 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, I think, I think that we're going to learn more about it coming up.
48:38 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_02]: 100% right now.
48:40 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Robbie's hinting where it's going, which is, yeah.
48:44 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_02]: She should get as much pain meds as she needs and we're not worried about if it kills her.
48:47 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the doctrine of double effect, as well as the question of palliative and hospice care.
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just stuff that I know you kind of know about.
48:57 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_02]: From, yeah, I mean, when my mother started hospice, they gave us a box and they said this is your emergency box and it had morphine and it had anti-psychotics and a bunch of other stuff and they said, don't use this until on her directs you,
49:17 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they do that by telephone?
49:20 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_02]: No, they came in.
49:21 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
49:21 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But the box was just there so that the nurse could have it.
49:25 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, sorry.
49:25 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they would authorize it by telephone.
49:27 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, got you.
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
49:29 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
49:29 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They brought the box originally, and then they set us down.
49:32 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_02]: They told us what's in it.
49:34 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
49:34 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They told us, you know, don't use anything until we give the go ahead.
49:37 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But they was like a 24-7 number.
49:39 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that you could call right and they would walk you through whatever they would walk through if they had the Opidose then they would come but they would come with them like a couple hours.
49:48 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They were really they were really genuinely good about it Which is good That that's kind of the thing in hospice though is that they they don't worry that much about those like they don't want to like cause you to overdose right now But like they're not worried about like causing addiction.
50:03 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not worried about
50:04 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, again, like falling unconscious, right, things like that, um, if the pain gets too great.
50:12 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to go into too much specifics, but my mother needed a lot of pain meds because of where the cancer wasn't her body went to her bones and that's something that Roxy said happened, right, then they say it went to her bones.
50:25 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
50:25 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:26 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_02]: When it gets to the bones, if it gets to the inside of the bones, like the bone marrow area, like you will be screaming and painting, you won't be able to be away.
50:35 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
50:36 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I don't want to go too deep into it.
50:39 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know that's fine.
50:40 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's enough.
50:42 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to define really quick to hospice care is a sub type of palliative care, and it's specialized care for people
50:52 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's focused on pain management, comfort, and quality of life, rather than treating to cure.
51:01 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an acknowledgment that there's nothing more medically that we can do to reverse your condition.
51:11 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we're treating you to have comfort and dignity on this terminal.
51:18 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_02]: palliative care, you are still able to get treatment to reverse the disease.
51:22 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
51:23 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It is palliative, you know, that's just managing pain, managing symptoms.
51:28 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:29 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Hospice care is, again, you're not, like you said, you're not allowed to treat.
51:33 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: anymore.
51:33 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not considered hospice.
51:35 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:35 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just treating symptoms.
51:37 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it's generally authorized when a doctor will sign off that you have fewer estimated fewer than six months to live.
51:43 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, obviously, people live all different times.
51:46 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You could be in hospice for years if
51:49 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_02]: a doctor just thinks that you're sicker than you are, but, um, you know, it's, it's generally, we're not worried about treating you again.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
51:58 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, palliative care, like, as you said, is, is for treating, it's a root, the root word is, uh,
52:05 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Palium from Latin, and it means the cloak or to mantle, and it's to provide relief from symptoms.
52:12 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And so hospice is a subform of palliative, but the double doctrine effect is not a part of palliative care.
52:21 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something that palliative care will
52:24 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Use it's a general ethical principle that is beyond just medical ethics and it's where the effect is used to justify aggressive symptom control when death hastening is foreseen but an unintended side effect.
52:45 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So the you can cause a bad effect while pursuing a good effect as long as the bad effect is for scene, but not intended.
52:58 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That is such a fine line, that's the thing.
53:02 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I would not want to be in charge of that.
53:03 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
53:04 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can see uses of double doctrine effect in other things like in, I don't want to use this.
53:11 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a way to use it in warfare, but there's too much going on in the world right now that I don't want real aspect that I want to talk about that.
53:18 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But you, I'm just going to leave it there.
53:21 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There's more uses beyond medical for the double doctrine effect.
53:26 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's something that it's an ethical, it's a philosophical and ethical rule that you can reach out from other practices of care to pull in to look at.
53:39 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, yeah, when Robby said, like if that's where this is going, we have to treat her pain so that she's here now even though that we know that that.
53:48 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: cause her death, but we're not trying to cause that.
53:52 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to treat the, because sometimes you have a no win situation, right?
53:56 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess like, you got to use Civil War amputations, right?
54:02 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, we're gonna cause you pain to cut off your leg to save your life, right?
54:06 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know.
54:07 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I say to though that like, they haven't really shown Roxie being in pain a little bit when she's moving, like trying to get the bathroom, right?
54:13 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know if they've really sold me on, you need this right now,
54:18 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel a little sticky to me.
54:21 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot going on with her care that I'm like, oh, this is like, there's a lot that they haven't told us yet.
54:27 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm uncomfortable with this whole.
54:30 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not just for personal circumstances reasons, but I'm just like, it's make a view feel real squeamish about Robbie's calculations here.
54:38 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I think they're doing it on purpose.
54:41 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So should we take a quick break?
54:44 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll come back.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We can talk a little bit more about the episode.
54:47 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's do that.
55:02 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_02]: we're back.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: What else do we got going on?
55:05 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We have the check-offs dook, I think they're setting up dook for a bad fall on his motorcycle here, man.
55:16 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was, I was thinking of you the other day because you love talking about check-offs, Goddons, and I was reading an interview.
55:24 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a joke now, though.
55:25 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's almost like everything's a check-offs,
55:29 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was reading an interview with Matt Ditteman, who writes the Dungeon-Crawler-Crawl series.
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about that.
55:36 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an absurd, wonderful book series.
55:40 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And he talks about how he writes it basically like doodling.
55:43 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he just improvises the whole thing.
55:45 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is just yes and no idea where he's going.
55:48 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But he says one of the few things he does is he keeps a running list of all his check-offs guns.
55:52 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's something if I set something up I write it down and then I just figure out when to pay it off later.
56:00 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
56:01 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
56:01 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of fun.
56:02 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
56:02 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:03 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think Duke's in.
56:04 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's he might be in for some might be a double whatever the double effect doctrine for.
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:15 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
56:21 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that interesting though that she needed a shot in her shoulder or like the base of her neck to heal a headache?
56:29 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's that's so interesting.
56:31 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So tense, right?
56:32 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, remember, yeah, get some physical movement everybody and don't look down at your laptop.
56:37 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And get a monitor holder, right?
56:39 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
56:40 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I see my daughter when she has a set amount of screen time every day.
56:44 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_02]: and play certain games and i'm like always like sit up hold your laptop up like i see the hunch going and i'm like you know what i bought for for my work is i bought a laptop holder a laptop stand that holds it up a little bit so i don't have to worry as much about my neck and it's worth the twenty bucks you know 100%.
57:05 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and I think this is a really important point, her case resolution happened like that once the communication, yeah, layer got in place, Santa's just boop, boop, boop, boop, here we go.
57:20 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I figured it out, let's go, and I imagine that this storyline is designed to, uh, sensitize
57:33 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_00]: to what other people who aren't, you know, normal, or I want to say this, I'm not sure the right language, so I apologize, able, is it able-bodied?
57:42 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Or like, they don't have physical disabilities?
57:45 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
57:46 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That if you have a physical disability site hearing whatever it is, the amount of work, extra work that you have to do to navigate the world, to get basic care that anybody else is getting is disproportionate.
58:04 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_02]: that's absolutely right.
58:05 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm glad that Harlow has no more headache.
58:08 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
58:09 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like cool person, too.
58:11 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I dig, I dug her, you know, once we got her talking, it was like, oh, okay, like, you know, and, and look, Santos was a jerk to Harlow.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_02]: She kept walking the way and she could have handled that better.
58:20 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But I also think,
58:22 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_02]: that it's important to keep in mind like Santos is busy.
58:25 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_02]: She's being threatened with being held back on other patients and the fact that the hospital administration hasn't figured out a way to get her the resources she needs in an interpreter.
58:38 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_02]: is a waste of her time.
58:40 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a waste of her time, and it makes the care worse for Harlow, and it takes, takes San Jose away from other patients.
58:47 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is not on San Jose.
58:49 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_02]: San Jose could have been a little kinder about walking out of the future, but once he finally has the interpreter, she's actually really gentle and empathetic and really was a great doctor to Harlow once she had the resources that she needed.
59:02 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think discos into this question of how modern
59:06 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: health care delivery is done.
59:08 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
59:09 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we go from faxes and white boards to Wi-Fi phones and medical records, electronic medical records.
59:19 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, and like, let's contrast with Howard, who gets a nifty little speaking iPad, and he's having a lot of fun with it, which is a fun little, you know, humorous moment in the whole thing.
59:33 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_00]: and it works flawlessly and very intuitively.
59:38 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet the VRI, like we live on Zoom, you and I are on a video connection, it's like Jay FC, why can't they figure out this piece of technology?
59:49 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They do.
59:50 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
59:51 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy the disparities between systems.
59:55 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_00]: In the same episode, right, or one episode, or one or two episode distance, they couldn't get a video thing to work.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_00]: When God, my God, we work on Zoom all the time.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely wild.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I did look a little bit into electronic medical records, but I don't really have a deep dive on it.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a complex area.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And systems, but if you think about the fact that a patient record,
01:00:28 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: is being updated by a terminal in the emergency department and that that radiology and the lab and maybe even surgery can all access that same information.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an incredible amount of information that is being made available across.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: an entire computer network.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It is incredible, but at the same time, it's not across a single computer network, right?
01:00:57 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Because what the problem that they're racing now is that basically most of the big software figures now that any businesses using are software as a service, SAAS, a lot of people hear that going around, but like
01:01:11 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not on your computer, you are on the internet and you are accessing a portal basically that is connected to all the other departments.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And if that goes down.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no matter if they like they I think somebody I've read it put it out like they probably didn't have to like turn off the computers like they didn't need the no signal thing But There's the for good television But exactly like it's a good television effect The reality is probably they would all be on and just not work But yeah, like that that's the problem is that everything is in the cloud now and that's something that's really developed in the last like 10 years right right that is a new thing and even like we are currently recording to the cloud
01:01:52 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_02]: When I, like, there are local copies recording to our computer, too, for as a backup, but we are voices are right now being recorded to the cloud.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And if that cod went down, which it has before, we've been unable to record before, because the cloud goes down, then we've got to be like, how do we got to do this old fashion?
01:02:09 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we have people literally all over the world that we're recording with?
01:02:12 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: In different timesones, in different countries, yeah.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's um, it's a miracle.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and we're low sticks.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If we don't work, if we didn't record this podcast today, the world would go on.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
01:02:23 --> 01:02:26 [SPEAKER_00]: People wouldn't be tearing their head and running around.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Nationning their teeth.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But at a point is like, there is a balance, right?
01:02:32 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: There's got to be a balance where we keep some things local.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is there no local backup on this?
01:02:38 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's a cybersecurity reason why not.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Why can't they wall off the hospital?
01:02:44 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: because it's not because it's not internal, right?
01:02:46 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the SaaS is all that is in California somewhere, right?
01:02:50 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably in a server farm in Nevada or something.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, they don't have the servers in the basement at the hospital.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:02:57 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They used to, probably 15 years ago, they did.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Now they don't.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: and then we that was even a paper electronic hybrid where now it's like it's electronic with a little bit of paper right but it's it's primarily electronic yeah yeah you see him always tapping in to be able just to update anything so
01:03:16 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: that the hospital staff were ready like where did they store these whiteboards?
01:03:23 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Where did they store these little wire racks?
01:03:25 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: How much has Princess worked with this system?
01:03:27 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: How often do you train in paper stuff?
01:03:30 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They are so lucky as an institution that they had just enough amount of people
01:03:37 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: that had very, very strong familiarity with these systems to activate this in an instant.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Because how are you supposed to drill this?
01:03:45 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you supposed to practice not having electronic medical records?
01:03:49 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe Sarah, if you're listening, Sarah, our chief medical correspondent, can you maybe write in and let us know, like, do you guys train?
01:03:58 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: In that stuff, how do you prepare for outages, an electrical outage, a computer outage, even just one or two terminals going out like how, how are backup systems maintained and how do you train on them if you've never experienced them?
01:04:16 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you hope that this doesn't happen, right?
01:04:19 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: because when they look on like joys face or all of you or I mean yeah all of these face to but Uncle Barry and Sanchez they're like holy goodness like what are we going to do we don't know world without this and and what do you do when you know eventually the robbies are going to retire exactly the people who work under this whole system are going to retire what do you do when they're gone because these people at least remembered what it was like before
01:04:45 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you do when you have a whole generation that doesn't know what my fiber is.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Or what a fax machine sound is.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_02]: At least I knew what that was.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I was on the grid.
01:04:56 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I had dial up.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I had dial up like and we had a fax machine.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You know until the very early 2000s or like I live the first few years of my life knowing that sound and being like get off the computer We have to make a phone call.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you so important for a travel agency a big corporate travel agency and I delivered paper airline tickets around the city I used to drive around the city
01:05:21 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had a couple of friends, and we used to send each other at the end of the day like we're bored, there's nothing else going on.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We would fax each other means.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They were electronic.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They were printed out sort of cartoon things and we would pass them around.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we would be faxing each other all the latest memes to hang up in our office cubicles and stuff.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So how many cultures have been around for a minute?
01:05:50 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: forward this to 10 friends in the world.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, or your hospital system will go down.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, there was all those those those those chain letter things, but those were around even in paper before too.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so silly.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's crazy.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't have any Nigerian princess trying to help us buy facts.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to confess.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I started watching 90 day fiancee again.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's so good.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so bad.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's I put it on the other night and I was like the drama is real.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Problem is, I have HBO right now to watch the pit.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just sitting there waiting for the pit to come on and I was like, what am I going to watch?
01:06:28 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm back in the sucked into the world.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of people making poor life choices, not having a 90 day fiancee is necessarily a poor life choice.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that the people they cast on that show are generally people who make poor life choices.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Ben's drinking culture.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_02]: You have it.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: C.K.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Jackie with the C.K.
01:06:48 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: a gacky uh... yeah that was uh... i was thinking of you during this uh... when i watch the episode first i was in bed i was watching on my uh... my iPad
01:07:00 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And whenever they had any procedures regarding Jackie with the CK's tongue, I put my hand up in front of the screen.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So I couldn't see it because I could not handle watching any of that.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, no, I just, I, I just, um, inherited a really nice couch.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And it has a really nice place to bury my head when I, when I, when I, yeah.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: When joy was, no, I just can't even Skype.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No, we're not just going to talk about that.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I just went and open.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I buried my head between the questions in the back of the couch.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that said, I, yeah, binge drinking culture and black out drinking, not a good situation for Jackie Seek with a secret here.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Not great, and of course, it was the silliness and drinking that injured her in the first place, right?
01:07:46 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It was from the left up.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see where the camera like spanned down, and then there's like blood, blood, blood, blood, blood, blood, just like, oh my god, what is going on in this more girl?
01:07:56 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, I was doing a little bit of reading, I guess, the alcohol consumption amongst the younger generations is plummeting.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they're also like...
01:08:11 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They're younger and Man, we broke.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are parties and how many tings that we're going to be on offer at that party.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We were, yeah, we were drinking heavily all through high school.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm always skeptical of this like this generation is killing blah blah blah because if you're that with millennials, I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually not knocking the decrease because we know that alcohol has terrible health outcomes across the board.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
01:08:43 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, regular high amount of alcohol is not good for the human body.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The Millennials were the first dare generation.
01:08:58 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right.
01:08:59 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And we didn't work with us for alcohol, but but I think the Millennials are like the only generation there in between the cigarette and the vape generation.
01:09:08 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we were the only ones tobacco mostly free.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's American's at least.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I know Europe has a lot more smokers for some other parts of the world.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um,
01:09:18 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anyway, I think we were like the only tobacco for each generation.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I can say we, at home, we hardly drink.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I might have a glass of wine on a Friday night or a cider or something like that.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I do enjoy like when we go out.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I have like my favorite drink.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get one of the who's right, just for, you know, for all kinds of reasons.
01:09:43 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't drink anymore, but if I have like two or three drinks, I'm smoked the next day.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't drink it over 30.
01:09:52 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not a great time.
01:09:54 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's showing up in the market, right?
01:09:58 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they're losing billions of dollars right now.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Which doesn't help that there's tariffs on all the alcohol, right?
01:10:04 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I don't know.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also like, if you make things too expensive, the luxury is with the first thing to go.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not necessarily a bad thing when you look at the drinking and driving in alcohol related deaths, as the drag on the healthcare system for people who have all kinds of chronic conditions, Louis, poor Louis for God's sake, right?
01:10:27 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it is a alcohol is not a good thing in high quantity.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And how sad was it with digby and Louis?
01:10:35 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're my friend, I had a lot to say, yeah, and he gave it a little bell and got his wings.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what else do we got here?
01:10:47 --> 01:10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about the eye stroke a little bit, you know, some informed consent thing.
01:10:51 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, just like only two years.
01:10:57 --> 01:10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:57 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we, we have a close out of the Alana plot line that's actual salt victim.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, it was pretty quick seen, but I really did enjoy that exchange where she goes, where she goes.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you were here today.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It says me too.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That hit me hard in the face.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That was nice.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really, that actor was amazing.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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01:11:39 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is a voice actor for, for Star Wars games, so motion capture too.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, okay.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of these games where there's realistic characters now, they are doing, like the big budget ones at least.
01:11:51 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing full motion capture.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
01:11:54 --> 01:11:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's their likeness as the character.
01:11:56 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Fun.
01:11:57 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's also why people are saying like, this would actually be really cool to adapt live action because you already have the actors.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it matches, right?
01:12:06 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a harmony between the actor and the voice and the screen capture.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The Davis family bipolar or schizophrenia.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really, I, Javadi's line, like, hope for your son's happiness.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, yeah, I mean, straight up, but like, wow, that was a, that was a bit of a,
01:12:30 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough on it.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing is, I think this might be a me problem, but Javadi's chipper demeanor with everybody, he's the shit out of me, and would make me feel way worse if that was the person delivering me news about my son.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I just, I think it's a me problem.
01:12:50 --> 01:12:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's my new Yorker coming out like give it to me real boss.
01:12:54 --> 01:12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:12:54 --> 01:12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But just I can't deal with the fact that she's smile like well being like,
01:12:59 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: You're scuttin' has schizophrenia.
01:13:01 --> 01:13:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
01:13:02 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that he can't live a happy life.
01:13:05 --> 01:13:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But it is a life-changing thing.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's a tough thing to hear.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially, you know, for his sake, like he's been working so hard to pass the bar.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And to reason that he might have to give up that whole thing.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably got student loans.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That's gonna change his whole life.
01:13:21 --> 01:13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good point.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have to be in a vacuum, right?
01:13:25 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_02]: This is happening in the circus.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Within the context of this man's life.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have to grieve for that, you have to take a minute and grieve for that closing out of that future potential that you've put so much time and effort and energy into, but you can't just go, oh,
01:13:47 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, Javadi would really annoy me if she was getting a chance.
01:13:54 --> 01:13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever cut lives in this son, John?
01:13:59 --> 01:14:02 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but my wife and I quote this thing about lives every year.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to a bar when we were living in Atlanta.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And
01:14:06 --> 01:14:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And this bartender gives us, he gives us a lime for the drink and it was like the crappiest dumb, like smallest lime and he goes, bad year for limes.
01:14:18 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And now every time we get limes, if it's like a juicy lime or like good year for limes, it's bad year for limes, it's like a nice nice inside joke that I'm now, that's including all our listeners.
01:14:31 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Margarita Byrne, there are things called Furoco Marins in them, and that if they interact with UV light, it creates this hydrogen peroxide like substance under your skin.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty neat.
01:14:48 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's I've never heard of it.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never experienced it.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never knew that that was a thing.
01:14:53 --> 01:14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But the two...
01:14:56 --> 01:15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it are conditions that Ogle V in Javadi were talking about bullies, I'm not even going to pronounce these two things.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not doing it.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not doing it.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They're both autoimmune blistering diseases.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're the autoimmune system sort of turned on itself and causes it quite painful and deadly.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But how cute were?
01:15:17 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Ogle V in Javadi here when they were like, hey, we have a case like pop in their heads and they're like, you know, dynamic duo together.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was cute.
01:15:27 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be cute if I didn't hate all these over.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And Javadi.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate Javadi.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she's annoying, but.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I would not want her to be delivering me bad.
01:15:41 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'd be fine with her as a regular doctor.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You're my general practitioner, we're gonna chat.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we'd have a great relationship.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But as for giving me like a terrible diagnosis, no, I don't want her to give that to me.
01:15:56 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough, just a demeanor thing.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That side matter is not my preferred bedside banner.
01:16:02 --> 01:16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And finally, Peeads showed up for Baby Jane Dow.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're not accepting there.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, what is that?
01:16:10 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I understand the problem, but like who's baby is this?
01:16:15 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's baby is this?
01:16:17 --> 01:16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we get them back?
01:16:19 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, yeah, we got a, yeah, security was reviewing the footage.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what's going on, but we have a true long mystery here.
01:16:25 --> 01:16:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they're going to go into the security room and they're just going to be like, taking an app, like they're not actually reviewing this footage.
01:16:31 --> 01:16:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's rough.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... what else do we got here uh... got all that miscellaneous got some miscellaneous stuff here fax machines fax machines talk about fax machines come on ok alright they they scan the page progressively by uh... shining bright light on it and then turning
01:16:54 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: the scan into a bunch of tiny, or a bunch of dots, basically, Morse code.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they turn those dots into an audio frequency, and then that's the tone that you hear.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yay!
01:17:06 --> 01:17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pulsing, and then the facts me she own the other end.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: decodes that and then reconstructs the black dots onto the page.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So humans go up with some wild stuff totally wild.
01:17:19 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, machines had been around for a long time.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Think about remember, tell us, I mean, none of us remember telegraphs, but we see it on the movies.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like telegrams, like there was communication isn't all these forms of communication.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: you know a sub-stack post these are just modern pamphlets from the Revolutionary War period here at right you know the we had telegrams zipping around all the time right those are text messages and emails right it's it's just very interesting photographic memory apparently is not a real thing may I present my counterboy please I mean this is what the internet told me you go to
01:18:00 --> 01:18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: photographic memory.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_02]: She, I believe has had, you know, in the past, at least, you know, very, very strong memory.
01:18:10 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe, maybe photographic isn't the right word.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you'd have to ask her what she'd call it, but I think you have to look at the word photographic.
01:18:20 --> 01:18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what you have to extract out that there is not people do not recall images.
01:18:29 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have people have excellent memories and have innate and ex and what's the way I want to say.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: There's internal training that you've done for yourself and or you may be applying external techniques to improve your.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But there is no apparently photographic.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But you can at me about this if you want.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I will receive your emails.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It will read them on air.
01:18:55 --> 01:18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, John, do you do a lot of forms in triplicate these days?
01:18:59 --> 01:19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I think when I think the last time I did one was when I got a car loan in like 2017.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I need to press down.
01:19:09 --> 01:19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and these two clerks were like, yeah, I'm writing it and it's up with that.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty funny.
01:19:17 --> 01:19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It is funny.
01:19:18 --> 01:19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Last couple of little things, the clinical pharmacist who is opening the drug cabinet machine is not, it's not a cameo, it's not a stunt casting, it's not a real person, that's just a regular actor, Megana Meduim, I'm totally switching her name, who's playing Dr. Megan Nort, who
01:19:42 --> 01:20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Waves and says, Hey, got your back and apparently clinical pharmacists all over the internet are rising up in celebration that I've heard this recession there's so happy there's so happy I didn't realize this though like I saw somebody posted on Reddit about this like Apparently a lot of the COVID discounts and things like that for health care workers they would like exclude pharmacists for me because they didn't realize of their part of the response and it
01:20:12 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so under celebrated group of medical professionals, thank you for this for all you do.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We, I'm, thank you for getting having our backs.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of backs, I don't know if you caught this.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I posted a picture of it on our discord.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: When Abbott says, I'll ride with him with Howard in the ammo, you know, to the other hospital, as Robbie turns and walks behind him to to, you know, go back to the patient.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He pats him on the back on his shoulder.
01:20:45 --> 01:20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: where he's wounded, that's a mirror.
01:20:47 --> 01:20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's such a jerk.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, you don't tell me that he didn't know.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And you see Abbott winces in the shot.
01:20:55 --> 01:20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a blinking you'll miss it.
01:20:57 --> 01:20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hilarious.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, give Abbott an hour and a shot of whiskey.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And he is going to be crouching in ambulons with a hunting knife between his teeth.
01:21:06 --> 01:21:06 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good stuff.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of quick medical things.
01:21:11 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: A midline catheter.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: AK is a midline, it's just normally you put an, you know, an IV and somebody's arm and if the veins are there are blocked, maybe Sarah could write in about this, but you put in a longer one, you use an ultrasound to find the vein and then you go in and then you go up much further into the arm like up to the armpit.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just like a man.
01:21:35 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to pass out if you're getting flush.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I keep hearing this D-dimer.
01:21:42 --> 01:21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a test apparently that measures protein fragments, which I guess if those protein fragments are in the blood in elevated, it's a indicator that there might be blood clots happen.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Something to do with blood.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what the man who Mohan sent home had, right?
01:21:59 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the D-dimer came back.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lawyer lift, I have some family history experiencing operating lawyer lifts, I don't want to go into other details, but they're an incredible and ingenious device for people who are that kind of level of condition.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, they're really great and they work really well.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's amazing that you can get them.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the big lift that they used to lift Howard up so that he could get his weight.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: They are amazing.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They almost had one for my mom, just, you know, to help with getting around, but they ended up not really being necessary for a lot of reasons.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they are they are amazing technology.
01:22:40 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, I was just thinking there's so many different things, depending on the episode, like we're both of us, and I'm sure a lot of people in the listening audience too, where there's something that is in this show that's touched our lives and so much.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:22:52 --> 01:22:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because everyone gets sick, right?
01:22:53 --> 01:22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knows somebody who gets sick.
01:22:55 --> 01:22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:22:55 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We all get old.
01:22:56 --> 01:22:57 [SPEAKER_02]: If nothing else.
01:22:57 --> 01:22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's that.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That is inevitable.
01:23:02 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Inevitable.
01:23:04 --> 01:23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, John, I think that's about it.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have anything else?
01:23:07 --> 01:23:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Not for me.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still loving this season.
01:23:09 --> 01:23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: This was a really emotional episode to watch.
01:23:15 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: My wife at one point in the episode said, you don't have to watch us.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I have to podcast about it.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, tear it up and go.
01:23:24 --> 01:23:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to podcast about it.
01:23:27 --> 01:23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in a therapeutic environment for you too.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so.
01:23:30 --> 01:23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want the fans to know I'm pushing through for you.
01:23:33 --> 01:23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, through the tongue lax, right?
01:23:37 --> 01:23:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Through the tongue lax, yep, yep, I'm burying my face for some scenes.
01:23:41 --> 01:23:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't expect me to visually describe any gory procedures, but Sorry, I started to get you there.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, nope, we're done, we're done.
01:23:50 --> 01:23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing, though, man, when they were doing Howard's tube, like, uh, like a medical technology is really incredible.
01:23:57 --> 01:23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Modern medical technology is pretty incredible.
01:24:00 --> 01:24:01 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what else is incredible, David?
01:24:01 --> 01:24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: What's incredible?
01:24:02 --> 01:24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: How much we have going on with the network.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Alicia and I are recording a one-piece one-shot tomorrow for season one.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no-fly version for live-action and Season two comes out a week from tomorrow.
01:24:18 --> 01:24:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So Well once we have a chance to watch it all we will record a one-shot on season two.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll have one-piece live-action coverage coming up
01:24:29 --> 01:24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to record my super big Cosmere project with the radioactive rambling boys next week.
01:24:35 --> 01:24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I said a little bit of business meeting about that the other day, right?
01:24:38 --> 01:24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We did.
01:24:38 --> 01:24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to play insulate out.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We sort it a lot out.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to start that project in June.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll probably stop talking about it for a while and then let it.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Let it simmer.
01:24:47 --> 01:24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
01:24:49 --> 01:25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a midseason conversation with Ian from the captain's pod and John from the Dune Minute podcast when recent conversations with both of them, they were both like, oh, the bit to bit to bit.
01:25:02 --> 01:25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, cool.
01:25:03 --> 01:25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to get together with those two on Wednesday this week.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to have like a casual conversation about like where they're at with it, just kind of as a mid-season reflection.
01:25:12 --> 01:25:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be out a little bit later, and that'll be fun.
01:25:16 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Then shout out to the captain's pod, their covering episode, episode coverage of Starfleet Academy, which is a really good show.
01:25:23 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really enjoying it.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: and then I was just on a doon minute podcast with those guys they are covering the mini series that was on the the sci-fi channel back in the 2000s and so I was on a podcast to talk about episode two of that mini series so we had a lot of fun and we're gonna be talking with them more later in the year because both doon prophecy and the third of the doony will move movies will be out later this year
01:25:49 --> 01:25:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's cool.
01:25:50 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I am my cover du messiah with you.
01:25:52 --> 01:25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll say.
01:25:53 --> 01:25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll say.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I still have a watch part two of be original movie, but it's fine.
01:25:58 --> 01:25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.
01:26:00 --> 01:26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: you'll enjoy it.
01:26:01 --> 01:26:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll enjoy it.
01:26:02 --> 01:26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I try to get the biggest screen immersive experience you can for that show.
01:26:07 --> 01:26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I am just having some trouble with Timothy Sheldon, right?
01:26:11 --> 01:26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not my head cannon, Paul.
01:26:16 --> 01:26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I can totally appreciate that.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: He's too recognizable.
01:26:20 --> 01:26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
01:26:20 --> 01:26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a good one, I mean?
01:26:21 --> 01:26:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You need it to be a nobody.
01:26:23 --> 01:26:23 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:26:24 --> 01:26:24 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:26:24 --> 01:26:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Enough doing talk.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Enough doing talk.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got.
01:26:27 --> 01:26:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to mention radio active ramlings is going to be covering the boys coming up as well as invincible season whatever it's out.
01:26:33 --> 01:26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're 4 now and so check out their feed.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:38 [SPEAKER_02]: They just finish up fallout.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got nevermind the music.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm planning my cameo on their feed.
01:26:44 --> 01:26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to be recording in probably about a month?
01:26:48 --> 01:26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much Mark wants to be to tease, so I don't want to get ahead of myself.
01:26:52 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't cross marks in charge.
01:26:54 --> 01:26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:26:54 --> 01:26:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And Nicole.
01:26:55 --> 01:26:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:26:56 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't overstep the never mind.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But in the meantime, you have a weekly episode from them on music and psychology, so don't sleep on it.
01:27:05 --> 01:27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have properly Howard movie review.
01:27:07 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They're about to start their new season.
01:27:10 --> 01:27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is called the honeymoon, or sorry, not.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I keep calling it the honeymoon.
01:27:15 --> 01:27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the newlywed, where they had to each guess about movies that they had seen or not seen.
01:27:22 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And where is the thing they're doing the running man?
01:27:27 --> 01:27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But the 2000s, Vira version,
01:27:32 --> 01:27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I have the right, oh god, I don't have the right page on the talk about something and I'll tell you.
01:27:37 --> 01:27:38 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all right.
01:27:39 --> 01:27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:27:39 --> 01:27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
01:27:39 --> 01:27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: If they want to know what they're covering, they should listen to the draft.
01:27:43 --> 01:27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They should.
01:27:44 --> 01:27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: They should.
01:27:45 --> 01:27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: On the properly.
01:27:45 --> 01:27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: How are feed?
01:27:46 --> 01:27:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:27:47 --> 01:27:49 [SPEAKER_02]: They should not be getting this second hand.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:52 [SPEAKER_02]: They got to hear it right from the Steven Anthony's mouth.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what else we got to mention is Alicia is continuing with her Oscar coverage.
01:27:57 --> 01:27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely.
01:27:58 --> 01:28:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I just saw we got a blue sky about it like what we were talking.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:28:02 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody was listening to it.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously the room is written and it's great.
01:28:06 --> 01:28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So did she plan for us like 12 episodes.
01:28:10 --> 01:28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot.
01:28:10 --> 01:28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot like really in depth coverage on all the different aspects, everything from documentaries to sound design, to international films, all kinds of stuff
01:28:22 --> 01:28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: an episode on the BAFTAs and so she's really lead to the cinema and award stuff.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So go check those out.
01:28:29 --> 01:28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a special defeat for that as well.
01:28:30 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Cinema Hounds.
01:28:31 --> 01:28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're just for the movies, you can check out that.
01:28:36 --> 01:28:37 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, BAFTA the lower-hounds.
01:28:37 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:28:39 --> 01:28:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you miss my joke?
01:28:41 --> 01:28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I said BAFTA the lower-hounds.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, that was really bad.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: BAFTA the lower-hounds.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
01:28:46 --> 01:28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:28:47 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to check out missing for it.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got...
01:28:50 --> 01:28:51 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, David.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:28:54 --> 01:28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:28:55 --> 01:28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:28:56 --> 01:28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:28:58 --> 01:28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:28:58 --> 01:28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:02 --> 01:29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:03 --> 01:29:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:05 --> 01:29:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:06 --> 01:29:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:07 --> 01:29:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:09 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Hall.
01:29:12 --> 01:29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:12 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:15 --> 01:29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:15 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Andy Hall.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, whatever, like, functional about it.
01:29:21 --> 01:29:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll see what's going on.
01:29:22 --> 01:29:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk off air.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll figure it out.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But there will be an annual podcast very soon for our February 11.
01:29:27 --> 01:29:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we got to present my millennial madness.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do.
01:29:31 --> 01:29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We do.
01:29:32 --> 01:29:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Millennial summer.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're doing.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Millennial summer and March.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: March of the Millennials.
01:29:36 --> 01:29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Something.
01:29:38 --> 01:29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that it?
01:29:39 --> 01:29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't give anything else right now.
01:29:41 --> 01:29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
01:29:42 --> 01:29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we have anything else going on.
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