David and John talk crime coverups and funding cuts in this episode of The Pitt.
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00:16 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Lorehouse podcast and John we're the best of the best so don't fuck it up all right David admit you like having me as your podcast partner Well if you I guess if you want me to stick around I've got more than enough Zen motorcycle bullshit
00:34 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: to dispense it's we go along so you know I don't know if you've seen the memes going around about that moment the huckleberry moment no I have a very moment the one that gave Javadi intense joy yeah yeah you can have no idea how much should I brought me so are you familiar with the sponge bob scene where squidward likes crabby patties and swan bob realizes it and he he just bites his lower lip he's like
01:00 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: you like crabby fatties admit it and at people were just like huckleberry is sponge bob in that scene.
01:07 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
01:08 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right.
01:09 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you spoke, you just spoke a bunch of English language words, all of which I understood the meaning of, but I have no idea what you just said to me, because there's a show called SpongeBob.
01:21 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody out there, look, I grew up on SpongeBob.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's exactly right.
01:25 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I was nearly 2 skid, I quoted it too much, my parents probably.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: were very annoyed with me.
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Although my dad shockingly loved Sponsored Bob.
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He thought it was a funny thing ever.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He would ask me to watch it.
01:38 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:38 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, can we put on Sponsored Bob?
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Great show.
01:41 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
01:41 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:41 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is our coverage of Sponsored Bob, but the episode 12 of season two of the pit 6 p.m.
01:50 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You can email us to ptmcatthelorhounds.com and always, as always, there are links in the show notes to all of our affiliate podcasts to our email address, our Discord server, there's a link tree and then it goes to all the things.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_02]: All the things are there.
02:07 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: you want show guys we got show guys we're not keeping an analog like the you know it's all digital baby and we're online just like the pit is about to be back online great time if you need to check out who's you know it's a much more organized chart yeah for then there then there whiteboard you can see who the patients are who the nurses are who the doctors are etc.
02:32 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually used it putting the outline together because I needed to remember who the clinical pharmacologist was and I scroll down the list and there she was, Dr. Megan North was right there.
02:45 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, how great grab the name or we see John Shen, Dr. Shen coming in, you know, for the night shift.
02:53 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh wait, what was that guy's name?
02:55 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's a picture of him and his name and what department he is in and everything like that.
02:59 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what about his dunking order?
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it have his dunking order?
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It does not.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a Nancy.
03:04 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Nancy.
03:06 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Nancy is helping us.
03:07 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We need, we need Dr. Shenz dunking order list.
03:10 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the way he extends his lips all the way out to get the straw like he does.
03:15 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like a normal straw drink.
03:17 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I am going to accentuate how much I am enjoying savouring kind of stuff.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it's gonna do not.
03:23 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what gauge needle that straw would equate to.
03:30 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, what do we get takes others ever so David?
03:33 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: well I was kind of relieved that this was a normal episode as opposed to last week where I really just wanted to give a double bird to the writers because it was just so it was rough.
03:46 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of makes me think of the season one episode one of House of the Dragon.
03:50 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just like F this episode man.
03:52 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_02]: F you for making me watch it.
03:55 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You know and I certainly am not down on the show but it was like rough and so this one just felt like normal like oh okay cool
04:03 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that this is also the episode where they really drop into our lab that are in our country, our health outcomes are pretty excellent.
04:15 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we can do a lot of amazing things and we can save people's lives and ways that we couldn't before.
04:21 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The contrast, the scene of the Revolutionary War Reenactors,
04:27 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and Donnie, you know, probably could have, you know, with his skills, could have saved a lot of lives back then.
04:34 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But then we contrast that with the hospital closure, you know, discussion side discussion that was going on.
04:41 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And without getting chew into it, I was just kind of, I heard the stat going around that.
04:48 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_02]: over 850 Tomahawk missiles cruise missiles have been fired in four weeks in the current war in the with a rat with a rat and those things cost between two and a half to three and a half million dollars.
05:05 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So we just launched between two and three billion dollars
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_02]: uh, at another country.
05:13 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: When, you know, I just did a quick internet search, and an average mid-size urban hospital annual operating budget is around $250 million.
05:26 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like where our priorities as a society and I'm not I'm not making any commentary on that.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just those are facts, right.
05:35 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And in this episode, those facts were like really apparent to me that we can deliver amazing outcomes, but yet are.
05:44 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: provision of care is show mal-apport portioned people waiting in these waiting rooms and you know doctors who are being stressed out and then we get into the whole conversation around you know a joy she's like I'm not getting paid to be here so go I'm out and I respect about so much so many people are like joy is bringing a lot of joy this episode so
06:07 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so there's all that stuff when we can get into it a little bit more, um, then there's a whole interesting conversation around stoicism and this whole idea of a more fatty versus momentum morey, the love of fate, love your fate versus remember you're going to die and the tension point between those is stoicism.
06:29 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: This, uh, ancient philosophy that you're just trying to cultivate a tranquil life.
06:35 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: by distinguishing what you can control and what you can't control.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_02]: You sort of internal life versus your external life.
06:42 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And we really see Robbie struggling with that.
06:44 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: All episode is he's trying to maintain his calm, but then getting out of constantly getting triggered and out of balance in a lot of things.
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that that was really interesting.
06:54 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the real caper for me, we'll talk about ED and our ED and ED.
06:59 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... what are the patients here uh... free to an edico and later this that story line caught a real close real close uh... from a personal standpoint and he drops the line eddy drops a line every old person knows what it is to be young
07:16 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: but not every young person knows what it is to be old.
07:20 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's somebody who's crossed the 50 year old threshold.
07:24 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh man, that is such good wisdom embedding the show.
07:29 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that.
07:30 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that.
07:30 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the one line in this show where I was like, okay, you're giving me the more of the story now.
07:34 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'll look at the camera, old man.
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Drift the camera.
07:39 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I agree with his statement because based on my interactions with
07:49 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, a lot of boomers, um, I don't think that they remember what it was like to be the only thing.
07:54 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the thing.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're trying to live the young.
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, let's save it for when we get into it.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What's your, what are your hot takes for the episode?
08:00 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was great.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I think you're right.
08:02 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's was a refresh that we needed, um, and we're also clearly zeroing in on the personal conflicts, the interpersonal conflicts, that have been just
08:15 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I predicted as we were in the beginning of the season that we would be at a point by the end of the season where we were like what the hell is wrong with Robbie and we're rooting for Al Hashimi a little bit more.
08:27 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we're fully there, but I'm getting closer every episode I just Robbie is just being a total dick to everybody around him.
08:45 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... that data should not have been carrying around a bottle of recet at the same time if he covered up for lightning and he doesn't cover up for her bro that's just disgraceful yeah so that's a great well we will we will get into that conversation there's some great stuff in that conversation though too about uh... about that for sure
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:07 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, anyway, uh, I think this is really speaking towards the end.
09:12 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw a really great take, um, overall on the season, on Reddit.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who wrote it, but you could look it up on the bit, subreddit.
09:19 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody said, you know, I love that the big event this season is just, you
09:24 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: a shitty day at work, like everyone's just having a terrible day.
09:29 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:30 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's okay.
09:31 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, you know, they were saying like, you know, season one, the event was something you need like years of therapy to get over.
09:38 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is just like a day that you come home from and you go,
09:42 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: God, what a day to your partner or your roommate or whatever, like, oh my God, that was such a shit day.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
09:50 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is what most bad days at work are.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that we're doing that.
09:56 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that there is no shocking twist next episode.
09:59 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is just going to have been enough a rough day in the ER.
10:05 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that take.
10:06 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that perspective on the show, too, because if they're trying to if if if this season they end with some Major, what is it?
10:15 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it Chicago 911 or I don't know there's one of those shows where they're like having a major crossover event where the Yeah, the police show the fire show and I don't know what the the 911 operator show or whatever the other show is or all there's like some event where all three Adam five right of I've
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that one.
10:34 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I haven't seen that.
10:35 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And that one of those old cop shows?
10:37 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, that's Adam 12.
10:38 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam 12, I don't know.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I got the number on, okay.
10:41 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You and Dr. Dr. Jay and Nancy Drew, and they're good at out.
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Does the Dr. McGyver work here?
10:47 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_02]: There was, I saw some ad for it.
10:49 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what channel it's on.
10:51 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's an ABC, C.C.B.
10:53 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: at whatever.
10:54 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's like Chicago Fire 911.
10:56 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're doing a major crossover event where it's this high drama where all these three shows
11:03 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And you said a bar, you said an expectation, just like in night to seven kingdoms when we were covering that this season, every episode we were waiting for.
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking the same thing.
11:15 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hanged on in episode two, there's nowhere to go, but up.
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
11:19 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But down, rather.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nowhere to go down.
11:21 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to go up, you've already
11:25 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an expectation, and so now everybody's looking for it.
11:28 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So if we leave episode season two, sorry, with another major sociological trauma-inducing event, then season three, we're all gonna be expecting that.
11:40 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:41 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the water slide is a nice little bump.
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, there's a thing, and we just move along.
11:45 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that, and it's like, it's a lot of little things, right?
11:47 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Not little, but a lot of medium things I would say.
11:50 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Getting overly sun burned.
11:52 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
11:53 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the cyber attack is whatever.
11:56 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
11:56 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:57 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That combined with the or the cyber threat, because they didn't actually get attack.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
12:02 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The cyber threat combined with the water park, I think gives you like a nice, every things coming together, parade of harbles without it being unbelievable without it coming up service.
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
12:16 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we can really
12:22 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: and boy are we going to have some character moments they've been coming up but why don't we get into those characters sure should we uh... check in with our chief medical correspondent first was Sarah yes i feel like i should have a sound for that but i don't okay another time boom boom page in page uh... i don't know yet i don't know what it would be we need a consult ha ha there you go there you go that's something like that uh... and just a side note uh... sir and i are trading emails and hopefully this week uh...
12:49 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_02]: we are going to talk with her and have that recorded and then we'll if it's a long enough conversation or maybe we'll put out standalone if not we'll tack it on but yeah so we're excited to talk to Sarah and get some inside takes on the season.
13:05 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Sarah says, you cracked me up asking for the names of doctors.
13:09 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like because I immediately yelled their names out loud as I was listening.
13:14 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Every nurse has a list of doctors not allowed to touch them if they were ever admitted to their own hospital and all their cocoa workers know that list.
13:25 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Plot was Sarah was at work when she started shouting the names.
13:30 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, she's got some self-control, but I don't know if I'd want her listening to our podcast while she's busy saving.
13:38 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
13:38 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: She's on break.
13:40 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: She's in the break room just shouting different doctor names.
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows what's going on.
13:43 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: She's now admitted as a patient.
13:46 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That works.
13:47 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to read the second half of her?
13:49 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Or I'm going to make you read the crazy medical.
13:52 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: This one's more.
13:54 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just fascinating.
13:57 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Quick clarification on what you give a patient if they've gotten a large volume.
14:00 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Quick, very quick blood transfusion at the answer is calcium.
14:04 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The chemical they used to preserve the transfusion blood is called citrate.
14:08 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Citrate is normally processed out by the liver and is no big deal, but if you give a large volume of it quickly, the liver can't process it fast enough and it hangs around the body where it binds with available calcium.
14:18 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Calcium plays a role in muscle contraction enzyme processing and clotting.
14:22 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If all your calcium is bound up with citrate, you can get muscle spasms, heart, aridmias, and bleeding problems.
14:28 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: To prevent this, if we are giving large amounts of blood, we also give calcium.
14:32 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Dad, it's a drink of milk, kids.
14:34 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The science of emergency remettison is really astounding.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm all this stuff that they figured out.
14:41 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, okay, let's just give them a bunch of blood.
14:43 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, why are they crashing out?
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Why are they spazzing out?
14:46 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have to imagine a few things went quite wrong when they figured that out.
14:50 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But before they figured that stuff out, exactly.
14:54 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then, yeah, just all these procedures and all of these are things.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a really incredible.
14:59 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that, the setup of the show
15:05 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: is great because then they have reason to expo dumb on us for why they're doing certain things or you know these kinds of like interesting factoids and then you have enough information and you can go and ask Dr. Google yourself.
15:19 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Luckily for us we do have our chief medical correspondent.
15:21 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust Dr. Google.
15:24 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you should not.
15:25 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Dr. Gemini, Dr. Gemini Google.
15:28 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Since we're getting all these AI summaries nowadays.
15:33 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
15:35 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: look.
15:36 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
15:37 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We're in higher economy is now based on AI chips that you can't make any more because the straight-up for Moose is closed and everything's going to be fine everybody.
15:46 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the meme of the little dog person sitting in the burning cafe?
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, coffee looks fine.
15:51 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because we can't get helium to make the chips anymore.
15:54 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean we can't make the chips anymore.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Good thing we could still make podcasts for a while anyway.
16:00 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as long as our chips are still running.
16:01 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
16:02 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Will we be in the post-Eccapocalyptic world, John, on a shortway radio podcast?
16:10 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: One time I asked an AI, I don't often use it, but I was just like, what I, and I had to use it for a couple little things.
16:19 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It knew basic facts about me.
16:21 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_02]: There are people who have used AI, and then there are people who lied about using AI.
16:28 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I know, everyone's used it once or twice.
16:31 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I said to it, I was like, would you destroy me in the inevitable revolution?
16:39 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it said no you you seem to be pretty understanding and you've been nice to me.
16:44 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think you you would probably have a podcast about human AI relations and I was like I could live with that it's awesome.
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I could live with that it's inevitable uprising.
16:58 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back when we start talking about the episode proper.
17:02 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
17:15 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're back, John, where do you want to start?
17:19 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we've got some heavy duty conversations.
17:23 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have a bunch of other lighter moments.
17:25 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have anything that you really want to get into first?
17:28 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we already kind of got into the Dana Robbie of it all.
17:31 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So why don't we just start there?
17:33 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the deciliate from there.
17:36 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds good, that seems to be the highest point of the picture in this episode.
17:39 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really liked how Dana was just like, oh, don't even mess with me.
17:45 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: One of my nurses was getting strangled and what were you doing?
17:48 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll stab you with some per se.
17:50 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
17:51 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Per se, of course, you asked me to pull a couple of definitions I did.
17:55 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It is used to treat anxiety and drowsiness before and during a procedure.
18:00 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It helps by helping your nervous system calm down and it belongs to a group of medications called benzodiazepines.
18:06 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Where have we heard those before?
18:08 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
18:08 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We have a great blog post on our blog, one of our community submissions.
18:14 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was dopamine who wrote in a whole thing about benzodiazepines.
18:17 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it was in relation to your end-race coverage, right?
18:20 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The telemoscope stuff.
18:22 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.
18:22 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it was the it was the pit end and rice.
18:25 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, there was just benzos everywhere.
18:28 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
18:29 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
18:29 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:29 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the thing.
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It was in like every show.
18:31 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were like, what's going on here?
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are there benzos everywhere?
18:34 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And benzos for you and benzos for you.
18:36 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
18:37 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone online was pointing out that that medication actually takes a few minutes to take effect.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So it might be a little bit unrealistic.
18:43 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
18:44 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
18:44 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, it's, it was great for for her to be carrying it around.
18:51 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, probably was it sufficient to punch him in the face?
18:55 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:57 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So I also like don't blame her like she's not a big woman.
19:01 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
19:02 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: She's dealing with patients who can be, you know, Doug Dr. Skull size, or this guy's size.
19:08 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And clearly he was overpowering Emma.
19:12 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of get it like what I do it.
19:15 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but also like I'm not a 90 pound woman right and I've heard that you know the nose is a super sensitive part of your face and it can be a good
19:31 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: way to disrupt somebody else's concentration like in the middle of a fight or something like that is to pop somebody in the nose.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a lot of blood.
19:39 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very dramatic.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very sensitive.
19:41 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, you know, Dana versus that dude, you know, whether it's an elbow smash or head button or punched him, I have no doubt that he did not slip.
19:56 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: He fell.
20:02 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think this is going to turn into a lawsuit next season, like the, uh, measles thing became this season.
20:10 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I, whether they give us the storyline or not, there's no doubt in my mind that this guy's coming after the hospital.
20:19 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's probably true, but at the same time like it might end up being like we won't press charges and you will.
20:29 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not say.
20:30 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
20:30 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would have a hard time for the to see, well, it's not up to the cops, right?
20:38 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's ultimately up to the district attorney, right, whether the district attorney's office wanted to bring charges against Dana,
20:46 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: whether a site you have to know the reason people say I'm pressing charges is because yes, the DA can bring the charges regardless of the witnesses.
20:54 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
20:55 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But proving your case without the witnesses is very difficult.
20:59 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why a lot of the time these prosecutors will be like, all right, you're not cooperating with them.
21:04 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We won't do anything.
21:07 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more of like a reason, like it's a resource allocation issue, right?
21:10 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to take cases that they can reasonably with the reasonable amount of certainty winning.
21:15 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
21:15 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's, that is, I mean, we all hear about the cases that don't go well, that get bungled in all that kind of stuff.
21:23 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But those are the ones that you hear about.
21:25 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what a percentage, a very small percentage of the total number of criminal cases that are going through the process.
21:33 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't become plea deals anyway.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
21:36 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of them don't even go to trial.
21:37 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
21:38 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the prosecutors have done their job.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
21:42 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: and are not being politicized and they're actually bringing the evidence and bringing the witnesses in the police state right so then met in the forensic evidence and then they're going here you go do you want to argue against this or do you so yeah well i have a time to argue against this i just want to highlight one thing that you a lot of the time the plea deals happen not because the prosecutors did their job but sure they don't have enough resources and then they say let's trump up the chart let's bring that make like crazy charges right and we'll give you the real charges that we want to prove as a plea deal
22:10 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And it really does take advantage of people who can't afford a lawyer.
22:14 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of order.
22:14 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Good lawyer.
22:15 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
22:16 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't have the resources to be like out of work while they go to court.
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's finally in a choice, right?
22:22 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You're you're giving that you go on a website.
22:25 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you go on a website, like which plan should I choose for this platform?
22:29 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
22:29 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There's three listed in the one in the middle is the one that they want you to.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: To highlight, you know, that they're highlighting that they want you to take.
22:35 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I am of the mind, and I've done a lot of reading on this kind of thing.
22:38 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I am of the mind that if prosecutors were forced to litigate every one of their cases, they would lose a lot of them.
22:42 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, but because a criminal threshold is beyond a reasonable doubt, right?
22:49 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It is very high, but you know, we have our system, and it is what it is right now, and hopefully somebody will one day perform that.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, we need a pit for a product.
23:01 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But fenders are something I don't know.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing that.
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not coming up, it's too depressing.
23:07 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I did love in this scene though, when Ahmed, the security guard, just body slams that do back into the bed, if you catch it's a blanking you miss it scene, but he and I think another nurse lift that guy up and plop him down in that bed and I was like, go Ahmed, bring it, right?
23:27 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Do, you know, good to have a good security guard in your room there.
23:32 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so Robby tells Dina, uh, tell me the truth because I can take it.
23:40 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't think Robby can take it.
23:42 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: No, Robby is like three seconds from jumping off a cliff.
23:48 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: at all times.
23:49 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
23:49 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's he going to break your skull inville or something?
23:53 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and did you hear what what data said to him?
23:56 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, this ER will go on without you.
23:59 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It went on without Dr. Abrahamson.
24:01 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
24:01 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And it'll go on without me.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And you just have to accept that.
24:04 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:05 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that you dropped Abrahamson's name with brutal, I thought.
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: She knows how to, yeah, get in under it.
24:13 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: She's, yeah, she's, I would not ever wanna cross Dana.
24:19 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_02]: She really is, for is emotionally dysregulated.
24:25 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_02]: as she was she there's like a clear if thought I don't think she's emotional dysregulated what she went in the bathroom and screamed f right you know and was like patented the walls a little bit well that that's a release right she yeah but that's still dysregulation i'm not i'm saying it is uh just a she's out of the sort of
24:42 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
24:43 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: She asked Nicole about that.
24:44 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: She, uh, she was able to hold together and pause.
24:47 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: She was when she went in the bathroom and to a private place and let out of you.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's regulating quite well.
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a part of her regulations strategy, right?
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Is to like you get herself back.
24:56 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So what if she's this regulation, David?
25:00 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, fine, call Nicole right now.
25:02 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Get her on the pod.
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, we got to figure out something for that.
25:06 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We're coming to maybe we'll get you at the finale season finale.
25:09 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's what we should do.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's uh, it's having Nicole on then.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.
25:14 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I say, uh, Dr. Alhashimi saying there should be two
25:21 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely correct.
25:22 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny because I've seen medical professionals on Reddit say like most hospitals have two attendings or more in the ER at a time It's not usual to have one attending because it's just too many people right you know hospital this size is going to have at least two attendings
25:40 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_02]: When you think of the size of the E or the E D, whatever we call it, that you can be on one side of it and some they can be going on the other side of it and you not know about it.
25:50 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he's learning about the code Hulu, he's like, what, you know, nobody on his side of where he was, that was not something that was happening until people started running.
26:01 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, so if you're an attending and you're deep in something on one end of the thing, how are you supposed to be able to respond adequately to the other end of the zone, right?
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's completely.
26:12 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, did you, um, who did you enjoy, quote, who, by the way, as a codeword?
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a mouthful, but I suppose, you know, what else are you going to say?
26:21 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they've got Dr.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Heavy, calling Dr.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Heavy is a big one that they do and all of these code gray in some of the hospitals.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:28 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, there's, there's a lot of these, you know, codeword's where, because they don't want to freak out.
26:34 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
26:34 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't say interest in front of the patients.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I, I like to that with Santos.
26:39 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and like, I like that it wasn't like,
26:42 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: scolding or anything, it's just like puller's eye for a second.
26:45 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't say oops in front of the patient.
26:47 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go right now try again.
26:49 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:51 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I definitely have to talk about Santos overall, but before we leave Dana and and Rabitovich, you know you're in trouble with Dana uses your full with the last name.
27:03 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The right your Christian name.
27:05 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I guess not for him.
27:06 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not Christian.
27:10 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, back on your point of this place will continue without you.
27:16 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And Robbie has this idea that I'm the one holding it together, but this place is a shit show.
27:24 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe we should consider that the reason that it's a shit show is because you're the one who's holding onto it
27:37 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And you need an al-Hashimi to balance you out and to provide some some perspective on everything that's going on.
27:46 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I 100% agree with you and 100% agree with Dr. Al-Hashimi that a single attending is ludicrous given the volume that there are patients that they're handling.
27:58 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: How much you want to bet though that the hospital's like,
28:03 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been functioning with one attending this whole time when I'm hanging a second doctor at all times.
28:07 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:08 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: How do money?
28:08 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Inshitification comes to, uh, but, you know, no, actually here's the thing is if patient satisfaction scores go up, then, uh, doctor.
28:17 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So that look you just yeah, I'm not I'm not buying it.
28:20 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you know Dr. AI over here is going to be getting good patients have a section scores by the end of this no that was saying to us drop in Drop in comments like she did when she walked out of the guys shoulder exam room or whatever right But I think this is all interestingly backed up by Joy-Quand's point of view at the end of the episode.
28:42 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like
28:44 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm not paying you to have, you know, to stay here and work, my shift is over.
28:53 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I get it sometimes, oh, like you got to tidy up a little bit or do something here and there.
28:57 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But this expectation as a jet speaking is a Gen X where we've done that all of our lives.
29:07 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's rather shocking when somebody from another generation says, no, how can you expect that of me?
29:16 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's such a rude slap across the face, but not in an insulting way, but in a, oh shit, they're not wrong kind of way, you know?
29:26 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I had an experience when I was early 20s and I was working,
29:33 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in 20s almost.
29:34 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing my last round of food service work before I went to like career land.
29:42 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had gotten a lot of perspective by then of like, don't take it that seriously.
29:49 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do your job do a good job at it.
29:52 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But
29:53 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna go home at the end of the day and you need to forget about what happened and I had this We had we had this Supervisor it was at a coffee place that I won on I won't name I had the supervisor who Well, not like direct supervisor, but like they were there.
30:10 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like super rising the floor and they would always work through their lunch And I said to her one day.
30:16 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like you know when you do that The people under you feel obligated to do
30:22 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, because I was watching some of the like teenagers who work there or like early 20s people who work there like follow her lead.
30:28 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you know, when you do that, you're giving a permission structure for people below you.
30:33 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_00]: To also be skipping their breaks that they're legally entitled to.
30:38 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And that also the Department of Labor would not be happy to learn that this thing.
30:41 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's a reason why we're doing like eight dollars an hour.
30:45 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
30:45 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This was like nothing.
30:46 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a reason why the Department of Labor exists, right, because of that, because of that behavior and that expectation and they actually like thought about it and went like
30:58 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're probably right, and then they went right back to doing what they were doing.
31:02 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay, what was the point?
31:04 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
31:04 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I think I had that conversation with them on Labor Day, too.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
31:08 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
31:10 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
31:10 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's nothing wrong with, yeah, giving yourself to your job and being committed to it.
31:15 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, have I worked in your lunch?
31:17 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
31:18 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, you know, for like a real reason, for like something is urgent, not for.
31:24 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: baseline expectation right exactly like dude you got a you got a chill we we stop paying you at five p.m. and yet you're expected to work until seven or eight p.m. because you want to get the advancement you want to get the promotion you want the company to do well you want the bonus and it's all just dangling carrot bullshit right because the real profits aren't ever going to flow to you anyway unless you're working for a be corporation or you have a company that's really committed to
31:53 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: is it really it's not fake but it basically it's basically just you write a statement every year saying we really care about our workers okay great it's like recycling it's a virtuous it's a virtuous signaling which is not a sensible thing honestly it annoys me more than it is helpful I think wow I had no that you had feelings about that and I know nothing about B-corp so I just know that there are things that exist in my heart and their general
32:21 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: the Canadian comedy show.
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, no, I have not.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's, you might enjoy it.
32:28 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll see if I can hook you up.
32:31 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The, the anyway, there was a in season one.
32:33 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think is it episode three or something like that.
32:35 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole episode called fart book.
32:38 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And they make a face book for parts.
32:42 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, sorry, it's a weird danger.
32:43 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Moving on, moving on, but it's funny.
32:46 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: If you know, you know, it's, it's pretty good.
32:48 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So what, what I think you're referring to is there are corporations
32:55 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_00]: worker owned corporation.
32:56 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a big corporation.
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just like a different structuring of pay packages.
33:01 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
33:01 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I do know, especially that's great things like that.
33:04 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:04 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, ever we there.
33:07 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I've I've toured companies.
33:10 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a brewery.
33:10 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I tried ones where they were like, and it was a bass a brewery.
33:12 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, we are original owners said that they made enough money and they said all the stock will now be owned by the employees and they're amazing.
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like Give it to that basically cool.
33:22 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, based on like time there and whatnot and there's a scheme for yeah appropriate.
33:27 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that's really great and everyone there seemed like pretty happy about it.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So hey
33:32 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when you're when you're connected and vested in that way, but then yeah, a lot of tech companies used vestiture to as carrot smoke and mirror carrot stuff.
33:42 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then they different classes of stock and all that's of any way.
33:45 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We're in this is not a business podcast, so make you be shit.
33:47 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why are we doing this right now?
33:49 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
33:50 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
33:50 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Moving on, uh, you want to talk about Dr. Al Hashimi a little bit more since we were sort of already on that topic?
33:56 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, Dr. what, what you say the quote because I can't remember the exact,
34:01 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to be a pair of phrases well, but when she's talking with Dr. McCay, she drops the line, she's like, I don't know if motherhood is made me more empathetic or more judgmental.
34:11 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, boom, I was like, but that is in that moment, she's being judgmental.
34:18 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she is, being intolerant of intolerance, right?
34:23 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, it's like, I'm just playing off it, I'm just,
34:29 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, McKay is right to be spectaceptical and the suicide attempt does really make you think what happened.
34:38 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:39 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I'm not saying that this mother did anything wrong, like, I think that it's very possible that her story is true.
34:48 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think that the ambiguity of a lot of things and the erratic behavior has shown that a further investigation needs to be done.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100% agreed.
34:58 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, what I liked about, oh, I, she needs comment here was, I am a human being.
35:06 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I am both empathetic and judgmental.
35:11 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And she, she shared that.
35:15 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: as a cautionary warning to McKay to just
35:20 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, yeah, you should have a suspicion for the care of the patient and the care of the individual.
35:26 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I recognize that I'm judgmental as well.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sensing some judgment from you.
35:32 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's where we should have a little bit of a line to remind ourselves, hey, we're doctors are providing care when we need to be compassionate.
35:42 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's step back a little bit from that.
35:46 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think a trust but verify.
35:48 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
35:49 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But weren't it here?
35:50 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I always think of that live-in Chernobyl where they're like, Ronald Reagan, everybody, the Americans think Ronald Reagan invented that.
35:58 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But V invented that.
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh man.
36:01 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't watched I show it a while.
36:03 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good show.
36:04 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a good show.
36:05 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need something like that again for our podcast and careers.
36:11 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about you.
36:15 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But me, prior to being a parent, I was judgmental of other parents.
36:20 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I had opinions about how people conducted themselves with their children, especially like when you're on a subway or in public spaces.
36:26 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember one's rolling into a cafe.
36:30 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It was up on the upper west side.
36:31 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We were going to visit some relatives for breakfast.
36:34 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: They had kids too.
36:35 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We hadn't had our, uh, become parents yet.
36:38 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And this family was leaving.
36:40 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And they had three kids or something.
36:42 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And the table was completely shy.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_02]: There was just crumbs everywhere.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a mess.
36:48 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, they walked out.
36:49 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, ah, these people in there.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Children.
36:54 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And then now, as a parent, like, fortunately we only have one.
36:57 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's not that messy.
37:00 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But I've certainly, certainly, left some places where we're like, oh, God, we're really sorry.
37:04 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We put a little extra tip in, sorry for making an extra mess,
37:09 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: and the restaurant staff are like, it's cool, it's kids, it's normal, like, you know, you don't sweat it.
37:14 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And in that moment, I sort of realized, God, like, that was just a real, you know, I would just be in a real dehead.
37:21 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Thinking those bad thoughts about those parents because I have no idea what they're dealing with as parents and you need given moment and I kind of vowed to myself like, oh, you know what?
37:31 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I may have a judgment reaction when I'm watching something, but I need to check myself because I don't know where that person is on that given day, how you know the stuff that they're dealing with with work, life, all that kind of stuff.
37:47 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't judge other parents unless it goes to abuse or neglect or, um, and I include making your kids into content as part of that, uh, I like to present a guy absolutely judge that.
37:58 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that necessarily raises to the abuse or neglect the rest of the old, but boy do I not appreciate parents who make their kids content.
38:06 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it's kind of the first public social media.
38:08 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:09 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I don't understand it, but I will judge that Fair enough, but day to day when you see somebody in the supermarket day the restaurant kids screaming at the restaurant.
38:18 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like all right I got it.
38:20 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
38:21 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it It's like I can I can have two emotions, right?
38:25 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I can be like I'm away from my kids I would prefer quiet right now But I also understand a lot of people can't get child care ever and they deserve to have a night out to
38:35 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:36 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And who knows what that kid is dealing with, right?
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're human being, too.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not an object.
38:41 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: They are human being.
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They're part of a human being, at least.
38:43 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be a human being.
38:45 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm just, I can't get it, I can't get it, I can't get it.
38:49 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: What?
38:49 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I really, I really liked it.
38:51 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was a good demonstration of all Hashimi's leadership as an attending in this facility.
39:01 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe the Santos line earlier in the season like hate for you to have to repeat R2 was maybe a little bit stomping with both feet where this was, you know, to Dr. McCay.
39:17 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, I get, I get that we want to be
39:25 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think maybe McKay was the wrong person to have this interaction with, like the writer.
39:30 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This was a writer and writing issue, because McKay has been one of the most empathetic people in the ER, I mean the way that she tries to teach Ogolvi about empathy with her, which by the way, lessedly Ogolvi free episode.
39:44 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, except we, we, we don't have a oligowy, but we do have Curtis Larson.
39:49 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll talk about him in a minute.
39:50 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It was he.
39:51 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the, uh, white privilege dude.
39:53 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the Coke Coke boy.
39:55 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little, a little bumps at the birdie bumps.
39:58 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: just a few pumps, just a smidgen.
40:03 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I just don't think that McCay was the right person.
40:07 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they put Ogil V there, put Joy there, because she was being judged you before, put Santos there.
40:14 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would have bought all that.
40:15 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really buy that McCay was being very judgey.
40:19 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
40:20 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And, um,
40:22 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt defensive of McKay because I've seen her be so empathetic.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like she's not the one who needs to be taught that lesson.
40:29 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
40:29 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
40:31 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's interesting then later when her and Santa are lying in her talking.
40:36 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, boy, I don't know if I remember how to turn on my emotions again.
40:41 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, you know, I've locked them up so tightly.
40:44 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how to get back to that.
40:46 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Play on a hug and feel.
40:49 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to hug?
40:50 --> 40:50 [UNKNOWN]: No.
40:51 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what's he say, God, no, or something like that.
40:55 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
40:56 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So good.
40:57 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And I pour Langdon this episode.
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he gets a break.
41:00 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But he did steal.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And he did, you know, and I think that's so interesting.
41:05 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Then when we route back to the Dana conversation about Langdon, Robbie does say, I'll write you the prescription.
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll write you an extra one.
41:16 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can keep it while I'm gone.
41:21 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_02]: that she did that, I mean, you know, he can see the logic of it, I mean, he's worried for her career, but then that opens up that whole conversation around, you know, land and screwed up, and it's not on you, Robbie, that he screwed up.
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He screwed up.
41:42 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That's his screw up.
41:44 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're willing to write me an extra prescription and you didn't,
41:50 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you didn't report him at the time, then maybe just dial it all back a little bit, right?
41:57 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to process all.
41:59 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's I saw somebody make a really good point online.
42:02 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I've been pulling from Reddit like three times of this, but I just saw so many good takes on this.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, the, the subreddit is like hoppin after an episode drops.
42:09 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I know.
42:11 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but I saw a really good division of what Dana and it, like, did it because
42:17 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: took from the stores, right?
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: She took from the storage.
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Not unlike Santos did.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I'll get there.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so let's let's just go to lighten first.
42:26 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
42:27 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, they're so hard to decompiolation.
42:30 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they didn't hampered with medicine.
42:32 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
42:33 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And he put it back and stole from the supply of a person in children's.
42:38 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm saying like stole from the actual prescription.
42:41 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So right, right, store.
42:43 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So those are two things that actually affect quality of care.
42:47 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The worst thing that happens from Dana other than her assault
42:53 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: is that the hospital has a shortage and it has to make up that shortage, right?
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Or a potential lawsuit headed their way.
43:00 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
43:01 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just saying like, Langdon's more personally affects patient care.
43:07 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why I think that that is much more morally wrong.
43:10 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
43:10 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Even legally, they might be treated the same morally.
43:13 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Langdon's is significantly worse.
43:17 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And in both cases, Robbie is flying cover for that.
43:21 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
43:22 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_00]: he is, though he would like to eject Langdon from the ER.
43:27 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to keep Dana.
43:29 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So different key set of consequences.
43:31 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that he, can you tell me what you mean exactly about Santos?
43:36 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Say that again, sorry.
43:37 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean he's not about Santos taking from supply?
43:40 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did you miss that?
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But the scalpel thing?
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the scalpel.
43:45 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_02]: She totally furtively pocketed that scalpel.
43:49 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what what she's doing with it though, I'll remember earlier in the scene.
43:53 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
43:53 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk a little warning for your warning about the farm.
43:56 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, about the farm.
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We did see her scars on her thighs.
44:00 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:00 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:01 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's not taking controlled substances though.
44:04 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not taking controlled substance, but it's a it's theft and b it's theft for
44:12 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Feeding yourself something that you're, I don't want to call it, it's not, you know, for in her case it's not, and it's not a substance abuse addiction, but it is a way that she is trying to deal with her internal emotional state.
44:31 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to go all year to talk about you know, I do not have the language or the framework to talk about all this.
44:36 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to call your bluff here.
44:38 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think
44:41 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: it's the equivalent of someone still in the office scissors to do that.
44:45 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
44:45 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, would it technically be illegal?
44:48 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
44:49 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
44:49 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not controlled substance.
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a felony?
44:51 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
44:51 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
44:52 --> 44:52 [UNKNOWN]: No.
44:53 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But it still is still hiding.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So separating the law.
45:01 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_02]: from this, this is behavior that is unprofessional and is relating to a ten, you know, taking stuff for your own personal reasons, which are not healthy reasons.
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to explain it.
45:17 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have all the the language to explain this.
45:19 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I mean, I'm going to put that at a far lower bracket of sure.
45:24 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, no, I'm not quitting a misdemeanor to a felony here necessarily.
45:29 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not even a morality way.
45:32 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying that that is, I don't even, but she's taking it for, to harm herself.
45:40 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and ostensibly, but we don't know what that is.
45:43 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so like, it's like if, if Langdon had an addiction, but he didn't steal from my hospital, right?
45:54 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_00]: we would just treat him the way he's been treated coming back.
45:57 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:58 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:58 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
45:59 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Good for you getting away from that.
46:00 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that in McCay, McCay, McCay had the same thing.
46:03 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_02]: She had, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
46:18 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: with Santos because it's not something that is, you know, a controlled substance, something that she couldn't get somewhere else.
46:24 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say, yeah, she could go to the local drugstore and, you know, buy a pack of whatever.
46:31 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:31 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I just don't see that as the kind of abuse of, of, um, station, abuse of, of, of, sure privileges that taking a controlled substance is some sense that you only you get access to because you did,
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So much work and see, God, so many credentials.
46:47 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see that as the same kind of moral failure.
46:49 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
46:51 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:52 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it's a moral failing for her to be self-harming either.
46:55 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is a mental illness that she is dealing with.
47:00 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
47:01 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not calling it a moral failing.
47:02 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to... She's furthering that by...
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: taking something that she shouldn't take.
47:11 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not I'm just putting it in reach.
47:14 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I'm just not seeing it.
47:16 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not seeing it David.
47:17 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's grabbing something in reach.
47:19 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody took a pen, you know, if somebody took a pen from work and then they wrote a threatening letter.
47:24 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
47:24 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, is that different than just taking a pen from home and writing a, like,
47:29 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know what I mean?
47:30 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, okay, like if we when we applied to the real world, it works.
47:35 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I think when we applied in the show, it's interesting to compare Langdon and Santos in this circumstance.
47:41 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
47:41 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we don't look good at that.
47:44 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_02]: She's she's and and not like everybody, not unlike everybody.
47:51 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_02]: at PTMC, I do have forgotten how badly laying the treated Santos honor first day, which is the real source of her beef.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And didn't I say that?
48:02 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You did.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We did.
48:03 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you totally did.
48:05 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Is like this guy, can I completely forgot season one?
48:08 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:09 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think I watched it more recently than you, if that's probably, but like, I just watching season one and then going right into season two, I was like,
48:19 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, he treated her like crap and like she said like she was a baby doctor, right?
48:24 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Like she it was her first day.
48:26 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he and she's trying to fly out to find her space.
48:32 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So I interrupted you.
48:33 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, that you're right.
48:35 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We were adding on to what I was saying and I am so with Dr. San Dos here, like what is going on here?
48:41 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he deserves as much grace as he's getting.
48:47 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, not because of the drug addiction, everyone deserves a chance to come back from something like that from an addiction, from an illness.
48:56 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I, the way that he treated her, you know, it's, it's, you know, I don't think it's an accident that we had Mr.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Cocaine here.
49:04 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
49:05 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Because as,
49:07 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: as Bikai points out to him, he's like, I wasn't aware, she goes, but you willingly took those substances.
49:13 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that in future intent, whenever you did on those substances, because you altered yourself that way.
49:19 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So even if you can blame Langdon's behavior on the drugs, it's his fault.
49:24 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He took the drugs.
49:25 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not an excuse for the way he treated Santos, and he should not get a pass for that.
49:32 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Not without doing whatever repair is necessary between them.
49:35 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So, honestly, it probably is through that you should just be working on it for any other.
49:40 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You really should be, you know, like it's just too much baggage here.
49:43 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he burned too many bridges while he was there.
49:46 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
49:47 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
49:48 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think it's interesting that they do then later in the episode give us
49:54 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Trinity.
49:55 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with Trinity.
49:57 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with Dr. Santos.
49:59 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I concur or whatever that she's a good doctor.
50:05 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_02]: She is making and Robbie says as much.
50:07 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You are becoming a really great EAR doctor.
50:11 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:12 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And when we see her get out of her own way
50:17 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_02]: and give herself to the work, she is really shining and doing an amazing job.
50:23 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But when she gets all wound up and stuck on some of these personal interactions and things like that, then, because she did a great job with Joy, pull her aside.
50:32 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
50:32 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, hey, we don't do that.
50:36 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: correcting.
50:36 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe she could have said that afterward, but at the same time if she's going to continue, maybe maybe that was the right time because she's going to continue if and if she's going to be a little sloppy on the staples, you got to be, you got to preempt that a little bit to join twice the same patient.
50:54 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh shit.
50:56 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And oops.
50:59 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_02]: So good.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So good.
51:01 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They really
51:06 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:07 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Phantom of the Pit, Whitaker.
51:10 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That is pretty hilarious.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed that.
51:14 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I was chocolate.
51:15 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Another joy, uh, great line.
51:18 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I do have to say when Whitaker was taken the guy out of the truck, um, uh, and, um, I don't know.
51:26 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's his name?
51:26 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to look up in the in the show guy right now.
51:29 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But he, I have to something that I noticed.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_02]: was really smart.
51:34 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't unbuckle the guy's seatbelt until the wheelchair or the stretcher arrived.
51:41 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
51:42 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_02]: that's really smart like that's really presence of saying you know that's allowed he's smaller he's in an awkward position you know he's trying to keep the guys jaw open so that he can get you know keep his airway clear right and so he used the seat belt as a continual aid until they got him into the right thing it like otherwise he has somebody would have like unbuckled him and then he's gonna slump and fall out of the truck and all that good stuff so really smart on on
52:09 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He also, he got it given the opportunity to comment on the rural health care system, right?
52:14 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And the big beautiful bill last year, you know?
52:17 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we're talking more about politics this episode than we usually do.
52:20 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's so ingrained in this and like the big beautiful bill that are...
52:24 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate calling it that.
52:26 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yeah, it's that bill.
52:28 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the big beautiful...
52:31 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, moving on that built up.
52:33 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big beautiful health care bomb.
52:34 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_00]: How about then?
52:35 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it it cuts so much Medicare and Medicaid.
52:40 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_00]: To or at least Medicaid.
52:42 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure about Medicare to rural hospitals that a lot of them are shutting down a lot of them shut down last year preemptively, but because they knew they couldn't survive the cuts a lot of them are shutting down once the cuts come in.
52:54 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: later this year, which they timed for after the midterms, because of course they did because they didn't want to suffer the consequences of voting for it.
53:00 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a huge problem, and that's why elections affect people's lives, and when people check out a politics, and that's what happens.
53:09 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And here we have Whittaker, seeing the direct result is this guy had a worse medical outcome because his local hospital closed, because of this legislation, because of politics.
53:20 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and then this kid did a heroic thing by, you know, speeding to get his dad to a thing.
53:27 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But he should be half-do.
53:28 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
53:28 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why
53:43 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_02]: setting up before, which is we have great outcomes, but we have a totally maliportion system.
53:50 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
53:50 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The access is not there for a lot of people, for too many people.
53:55 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And people shouldn't have to be forced to go on only farmers to make an extra buck or two.
54:02 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ.
54:04 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Hucklberry, Hucklberry, I'm moving on from that.
54:09 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They're right there.
54:12 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to work in rural medicine.
54:14 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I hope there are some left.
54:17 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:18 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
54:18 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough, man.
54:19 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:20 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially when the people who voted for the big beautiful bill, supposedly are the people who really love the rural communities.
54:27 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're just screwing them over left and right.
54:29 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:31 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's our system.
54:32 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a balance between dense urban areas and
54:35 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, less populated rural areas pay attention to what your legislators are voting for.
54:40 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all outside.
54:41 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
54:41 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not political.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just being straight.
54:44 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's our system.
54:46 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:46 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_02]: If we want our system to work for us, we need to pay attention to what's going on.
54:49 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
54:49 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This piece of legislation, which is now law is garbage.
54:52 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just a statement.
54:55 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's inherently, it is the case that.
54:58 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_02]: things are when you have a society there is natural politics you have to have politics politics is just simply the art of getting people together to be able to make decisions about things.
55:11 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Individual political parties, individual candidates that's someone different, but we need to as a society make collective decisions and that is the function of politics is to be able to
55:25 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_02]: right and any anyone pretending that they can avoid politics is just fully themselves right and i think this shows doing a great job in terms of putting stuff out there without being specifically political they're not saying back this candidate or go with this party or right yeah or we need a change they're just going here's reality right here's life i think i know how one character on the pit boats
55:55 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Gen X versus Gen Z, but I could they I would say I really appreciate it that you call it our millennial at first because that is a common thing yes that like all these boomers and older gen Xers assume that everyone under 30 is a millennial and the youngest millennials are now I think 30 this year wow yeah this year the youngest one it will be 30 okay
56:20 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They guys are moving up.
56:22 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
56:22 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The inevitable march of time.
56:24 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Because 96 is the cut off.
56:26 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just so funny to me that like all these people are like, oh, these millennials in high school and I'm like, no, no.
56:33 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
56:34 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Gen Z and Jen Alphara and high school now.
56:36 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
56:37 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you just be glad that you didn't have to work in a strip club to pay your way through medical school.
56:42 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_02]: John's true.
56:43 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
56:44 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's rough.
56:45 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Monica, I didn't need to know that.
56:46 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.
56:47 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But now I do.
56:48 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.
56:49 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting contrast though because we have Emma and Joy and Emma has permission to knock off early.
56:57 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she like, I don't know that I would have stayed, but she decides to hang in there and Joy and in Emma's shift was it technically over.
57:08 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_02]: but she did have a valid reason for maybe changing up the rest of her day, and she had permission by her supervisor.
57:17 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But she hangs in there and Joy, the five o'clock bell hits or whatever, what time is this episode?
57:23 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_02]: 6pm hits, and she's like, I'm out.
57:26 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I will say about Joy.
57:29 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think people ignore this stuff because doctors are, you know, at least see if your doctors are paid very well, um, whereas, you know, she's not being paid right now, right, uh, but oh, that's true.
57:41 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Then she says that doesn't she says it's the, the opposite in fact, because I'm paying for medical school right now.
57:46 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is part of my schooling.
57:48 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even being paid paid.
57:51 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
57:52 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but what I was going to say is we don't think about this very much, but like,
57:58 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If all the doctors left when our 12 started, when their shift was over, or our 10, I guess, is it a 9 hour 10 hour shift?
58:06 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know, there's a different hospital, because they always stay fucking 15 hours for the season, but if all of the doctors left when their shift was off, the hospital would be forced to get more labor in there.
58:20 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_00]: they wouldn't not have the patients treated.
58:24 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So them staying late does, again, create the permission structure for the hospital to, and you look, it's the hospital's fault in general, for it under traffic.
58:33 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But they do it because they know the doctors will stay.
58:37 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting, too, this will stay.
58:39 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And like I talked about, talking to that supervisor, and I'm much lower-stakes situation where I said, you're giving a permission structure
58:50 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_00]: to skip breaks, state, late, whatever.
58:54 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what Robby's doing.
58:55 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what Langan is doing.
58:57 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's gonna stay and finish up their charting after their shift.
59:00 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that is the permission structure right there is that if everybody else is doing it, you look like the jerk by not doing it.
59:06 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a peer pressure thing by people's state late.
59:08 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really admire joy for not succumbing to that peer pressure.
59:14 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's interesting because then, if you have to, if the patient care is dependent upon you, having your charts up to date and completed before you leave your shift, that is going to impact the care of that patient for the next shift, right?
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So Joy is a medical student, she doesn't have to do charting.
59:38 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_02]: she just has to make sure that you know any x-rays or blood tests or whatever are with the right clipboard and you know what have you so she can walk where is a amicae or a santo's They have to sign off on all this stuff to make sure that the medical record the the electronic medical health record is up to date and if night shift and day shift only overlap by an hour
01:00:08 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: and you had a crazy day like you had there and it's gonna take you an hour and a half to two hours to catch up on your charting.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You're in a bind as a person ethically because you need to make sure that your patients are being handed off.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But the hospital is like, sorry, we're not paying you.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's the thing is like there actually is an understandable reason why they would say like two day because there was this crazy one one time Wait, that's the exception that probably.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but but at the same time the hospital should be paying them for that time.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and
01:00:38 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The real answer probably is at a certain point in their shifts like a couple hours before the end maybe they say I can't take on any new patients Yeah, I'm leaving a couple hours.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't finish all my charting if I take on any new patients and then they need to extend the overlap Maybe they need a three shift instead of a two shift system.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't
01:00:58 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is a huge problem with the corporatization of hospitals, with the capitalization of medical.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: When labor is seen as a cost center rather than the reason you're in business.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Where is the, the, the, the disproportionate focus on profit as opposed to, yeah, labor is going to be expensive because that's what you do is like you are trained people doing the trained things.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I think that's, you know, uh, yeah, a two-hour overlap.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And so at the start of that two-hour overlap, you don't see any new patients.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: All's you're doing to show up any patients that are still going.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't take on anybody new.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because the new crew is come in and is starting to then now pick up that load.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:01:44 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we've solved it, John.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We have solved it.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Hire us as your consultants at all your hospitals and we will fix your labor issues and it's gonna cost you a lot of money.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We take a quick break and that's what I'm back with.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll talk on our break about how our consulting business will get started.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: See you then.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're back.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, John, you came up with the name Laura Hounds when we first decided to do some podcasty stuff.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's it.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're going to have to figure out the name for the consulting business.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That's your department.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to do it now.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm doing it right now.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. OK.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This is, um,
01:02:36 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, all right.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's move on.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about go ahead.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What I'll think of it for next week.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say fair enough.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about free to an Eddie Cohen.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the the couple the Eddie might have recognized the actor Dan Florek who has been in over 300 episodes of law and order like talk about a working career.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's like one of the detectives on the lawn order show and this is the couple where She walked into the car Don't think so bro.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can you throw that on that great not cool.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You walked into the car
01:03:16 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_02]: This one, um, yeah, I don't know how much this echoed in your life, but there was just show many little things that I was like, oh, man, and my mom sometimes listens to the podcast.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she's watching the pit, so she may not hear this, but you know, I could see some things and you know, and I have lots of friends and maybe I'll disassociate it from my own personal life, but lots of friends who are in similar situations where our parents just,
01:03:43 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: They won't face, yeah, my whole street half of my street.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_02]: They're about half of it is rentals, and then the other half are folks in these huge houses, where their kids are grown.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: They're rambling around, and then they're lovely people.
01:03:55 --> 01:04:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I love having them on my street, because I have sort of built-in child care, and safety, and lovely, you know, we have lovely summer parties, and stuff, great people, and yet,
01:04:05 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_02]: man as this idea that you're going to age in place in a big house and take care of each other it's just unrealistic and the fights that people get into over parents accepting the reality of their situation that they're not able to live the way that they used to.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really heartbreaking and very frustrating.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah, I don't know how that
01:04:32 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_02]: resonates for you, but I certainly am very present to this reality right now.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know that both my parents died pretty young, so I didn't deal with the aging as much, but we had a similar situation with my mom when she had to stop walking with the cancer stuff.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: She just couldn't accept a lot of that.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, it's a different situation.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: She's young.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels unnatural to her, but
01:04:58 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I totally empathize with what you're saying and my wife's grandparents have some other thing where they had a house with stairs.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, or some people really should know should not be driving.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that you can't drive safely to and from the, the, the, the grocery store or whatever.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the fact that there are other drivers and cyclists and pedestrians out there.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, man reaction time is gone.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Gone.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And just being able to notice things and being able to, to pick up on peripheral vision things.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's just really intense.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I do support.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_00]: a law that would require periodic tests that are above a certain age.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Periodic driving test like.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And with Uber and things like that now, or ride, ride, hailing apps, I shouldn't name any specific company.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We can
01:05:54 --> 01:05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: manage for that in a lot of different ways.
01:05:56 --> 01:05:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably transportation, all kinds of things.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I did like that they brought in Dr. North, the clinical pharmacists, sort of, to save the day with the meds.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's another big thing is, is a whole, when you have a whole team of alligists.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: who are stressed in busy and don't have time necessary to think about it, they see a problem, they want to treat it, and then they want to move on to the next patient, and then not looking holistically at the interactions of all these different drugs, and how that can affect the same thing happen.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, personal experiences with that, where
01:06:28 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, new doctor, new doctor's like, whoa, what's all this?
01:06:32 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start pulling you things off of you own things and then you're like, oh, my gosh, that person is back.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: They're present again.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:42 [SPEAKER_02]: They're participating in conversations that are excited about life and things like that.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's before?
01:06:43 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_02]: They were just under a haze of cocktail of drugs.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
01:06:49 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This was something my mother said to me.
01:06:50 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: My mother was a really good like health care steward for parents, and she said to me She goes all these doctors are so brilliant, and none of them talk to each other And you have to be the one as an advocate to make them talk to each other right And I really internalize that and when it came time for me to partially manage my mother's care
01:07:14 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I really was like, you know, we got to get it.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I was, any of my, my father, I remember being in a hospital room with my father on conscious and the doctors are talking to him.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, has anyone checked if he had this medicine?
01:07:26 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're like, oh, it's a good question.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, what do I do?
01:07:30 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, isn't that the main cause of what's happening right now?
01:07:33 --> 01:07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's him not taking this medicine?
01:07:34 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like,
01:07:37 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: and like I just and by the way, this was at like one of the top hospitals in New York City, right, so it was not like I'm, you know, I just, it infuriates me how, you know, I love the pit for, because it feels like a fantasy to me because these doctors are not spending the time with the patients, necessary to give them a real level of care.
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this one, this one cut it on a pretty close.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, we've got coral Stevens.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's body paint, right?
01:08:08 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not actually sunburned.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that actually sunburned?
01:08:13 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that was right.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely make up from for the show purpose.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Show purpose.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's that's probably some poisoning, right?
01:08:23 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that is that is beyond a level of safety.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just glad she wasn't cutting any lines.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever watch the comeback kid?
01:08:36 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the comeback kid.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Heartbreak kid the heartbreak kid.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The Ben's still are one.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a remake actually.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Classic movie.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But his whole thing is like his parents are pressuring him to get married.
01:08:49 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So he gets married to like the first pretty woman he finds to end up being batshit crazy and they're on their honeymoon and she out of spite
01:08:59 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: she puts on tanning oil and she ends up so birth that she has just been like the whole beak of their honeymoon in the room with like blisters everywhere and that they reminded me of that.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like a very bencillary kind of thing.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a terrible movie, and I love it.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The whole premise is he's got his wife who he hates.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: His new wife that he just met, he's realizing she's crazy.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Stuck in the room with a bad sunburn.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And he meets the love of his life on the honeymoon.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, of course, crazy.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have Curtis Larson, who's bringing the white privilege in full effect into the hospital.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he's uh, you know, for like, oh, I can't be blamed for that.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to sue the parents all of you, like, really, really bad, uh, that the co-kethalene, uh, I'm glad I never knew about this when I was young, because I've never seen that happen.
01:09:58 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never experienced it, and uh, I'm sure glad I avoided that one, because that sounds like a terrible bad situation.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: yeah i've not partaken in the uh... the devil you haven't done any to know i i genuinely have never you know again what's the statuals limitations on admitting to i don't don't ask me uh... maybe i shouldn't bid it on the podcast
01:10:21 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I have never, and I, you know what, that I, I will say, like, the DARE program worked on me pretty well, which I almost ashamed to admit how well it worked on me.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just in my room, I was terrified of drugs.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's good for like an all of high school.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my generation that set the bar for you to be drug-clicking.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm drunk free.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So, everything was like that scene in Mean Girls, but for drugs, you know what I'm saying when he's like, you will, if you have sex, you will get pregnant and you will buy, that's basically what there is.
01:10:53 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you do drugs, your heart will explode and you will die.
01:10:56 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They told us if we had cocaine or heart will explode.
01:10:59 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... we have uh... don't take a cello the fireworks worker didn't louie have some can i didn't he or he was dropping some like lore about fireworks or something like that if they remember right louie yeah he knew he knew the guy who was like the firework king right he's picked up like a fireworks uh... apparently so apparently maybe that's why they picked the fourth of the july after one of the holiday episodes what what is the gala
01:11:30 --> 01:11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: The gala is I looked it up.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It appears to be or the galeo galea galea.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what it was.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, galea.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know point is It appears to be the third skull layer, which is like a more of an armor type flesh Okay, it's not great Apparently tension in the galea can lead the balding.
01:11:54 --> 01:11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So really that's yeah, maybe I need to get my galeo loose and up a little bit
01:11:58 --> 01:11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: 8.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know something else we forgot to mention, too, with the Cohen's was the beer's list.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: When Dr. Mohan and Dr. Our favorite, who's our one of our favorite, I'm blanking on Mohan.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Mohan, but who is with her, I'm blanking.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember, was it joy?
01:12:26 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Marker, look it up, it's a king.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. King, all right, Dr. King's always very good at like figuring out the, you know, the care situation at home.
01:12:37 --> 01:12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: She has a lot of them, but the, you know, rightfully so, she deals with it herself for the like caretaker issues.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I did appreciate that, you know, before we get to the beer list, I did appreciate that that daughter was like, I can't move in.
01:12:49 --> 01:12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I have kids like, it's the same with my life,
01:12:53 --> 01:13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: is when you have young kids, and I dealt with myself, young kids and sick parents, it's very tough, and you're constantly pulled between.
01:13:01 --> 01:13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember when my mom was in hospice, and I had come down to her house to get her settled in and to start her on it, and then I would visit periodically.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But when I saw how sick she was, I remember calling my wife and saying, I don't know what to do.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I see this is very bad, and
01:13:21 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But I have young kids, like, what do I do?
01:13:23 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't move them in here.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no room.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And we just decided to take it a week at a time.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And the situation kind of unfortunately resolved itself pretty quickly.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But, well, imagine, too, then with kids in school or daycare situations, that's just germ factory world.
01:13:42 --> 01:13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're going to bring that whole into a elderly patients or elderly parents, that's a bad situation.
01:13:52 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This family seems to, you know, love each other and they want to do the best, do right by everybody, but like it is that whole thing of like, you know, you want to take care of your parents, but you also have to take care of your kids.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's really tough.
01:14:06 --> 01:14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really tough.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, what's this beer's listing?
01:14:10 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The beer's list is an American geriatric society list of criteria to list potentially inappropriate medications for adults over 65.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And the criteria, there's five criteria, I love you very much, yeah.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I said that there was a framework and you were like, oh, let's go, let's go, let's go.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: medications to avoid if you're over 65 years old and non-Hospice or palliative care setting number two is medications to avoid sorry five sections of the bird these are the five things that that got five ways to be classified them medications to avoid among people with certain health conditions medications to avoid
01:14:52 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: that cause drug interactions and combined with other medications, medications to avoid due to harmful side effects that are outweigh the benefits and medications to use limited doses to or avoid due to their effects on kidney function and renal impairment.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
01:15:08 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like category one, or category three are what they're worried about here, right?
01:15:16 --> 01:15:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Over 65 and interactions with other drugs, they were like, yeah, these these alone would be fine, but they're on so many different ones that is becoming an issue here.
01:15:27 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And it got to be careful about this.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, even with the same doctor, I remember I have a medical condition that I need to take medication for and I have to take a short term medication if I get a flare up of it.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's, you know, an autoimmune thing, but, um, and I was like, hey, this other medication I'm on seems to interact with that according to Dr. Google, is this, is this a problem?
01:15:48 --> 01:15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, if it were long term, yes, but short term, it's okay, um,
01:15:54 --> 01:15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, it's just so complicated.
01:15:57 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're not literate in this stuff, it's just so complicated.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And like again, I trust but verify with doctors because they are busy and I don't know if they've always read my full chart.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is where pharmacists are really important in terms of delivery of healthcare.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And even the poor pharmacist who is working their tail off at your local Big Box J named pharmacy,
01:16:23 --> 01:16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They are a fountain of knowledge and information and can there a line of defense that can help you check that kind of stuff for drug interactions.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then having a clinical pharmacist in the setting with Dr. North there who went over that list with them, we saw her earlier in the season when the computer's went down, like really, really important layer of healthcare provisioning is these drugs are amazing.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:57 [SPEAKER_02]: They do wonders and we really need to think about what we're giving people.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They do wonders and they do horrors, right?
01:17:00 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But depending on what you're doing here.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.
01:17:03 --> 01:17:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm glad we have clinical pharmacologists and pharmacists in general.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So what else do we have here?
01:17:13 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I think just a couple of finer final things, Dr. Jay is Dr. Jay Irving, the second
01:17:21 --> 01:17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was an early career, and I'm just sort of reading the notes here.
01:17:31 --> 01:17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't know much about Dr.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I grew up with Dr. Jay with Irving Julius Irving, but I never really was a big basketball player.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was important when the basketball association's merged with the NBA and the 75, the 75, the 75, the 75, the 60s, and so interesting.
01:17:46 --> 01:17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Dr. Jay is, Dr. Javadi.
01:17:49 --> 01:17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you notice how Dr. Ahashimi was pronouncing Javadi a little bit differently?
01:17:54 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is she pronouncing it differently than Javadi says it?
01:17:58 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Because, yeah, that's anglicized versus pronunciation from another regional dialect, or...
01:18:06 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, to look like my last name.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: My real last name was able to not reveal here.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: it it should be pronounced in the original right exactly and let's see them it's pronounced now yeah but my grandmother who was from Italy or my grandfather was from Italy but my grandmother who was raised by Italians and my grandfather who was from Italy pronounced it a much more Americanized way and who am I to be like no you who came from the country can't decide how to pronounce this so I pronounce it like they did because otherwise I feel like an asshole
01:18:38 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the drift of language and different how we how we call other countries and they call us and, you know, in their language eyes, I don't know.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that we should, however the person introduces themselves to us is how we should say the default setting, you know.
01:18:55 --> 01:18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
01:18:56 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like correct people on their own name.
01:18:58 --> 01:18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and maybe, uh, Dr. Alashimi is doing it unintentionally, just because of her language who knows.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to make too many assumptions.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be too judgmental, John.
01:19:10 --> 01:19:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I speak more than one language, but I don't want to be judgmental about it.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:34 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... the last little call out is nancy drew uh... another great sort of uh... call out nancy drew is a uh... detective character why don't you drew from the room that when i was an elementary school yeah and she spun out of the hearty boys series and they were a bunch of uh... uh... books
01:19:34 --> 01:19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole huge Wikipedia article on that, but yeah, Nancy Drew is as a detective that has been rolled over many times It's a very different appearances, but first appeared in the secret of the old clock in 1930 So there you have it.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Where did Nancy Drew come up in this?
01:19:53 --> 01:20:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Dina says to Robby, you and Nancy Drew can figure out the mystery of why I had the verse or something like that.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in that first initial interaction between, I took out about that.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we did another episode, so we're getting near the end.
01:20:15 --> 01:20:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this format has been working pretty well.
01:20:18 --> 01:20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had a nice deep conversation today.
01:20:21 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we missed off when we had people.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Leave it in the reviews, everybody.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we'll get some nice reviews too.
01:20:27 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so hard to unpack the show too because there's so many intertwining bits here.
01:20:34 --> 01:20:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been catching, I've been starting my house at the dragon run for, for when it comes back.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, oh, it's such an easy show to break down relative to this one.
01:20:44 --> 01:20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Where?
01:20:44 --> 01:20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you're just going, you know, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, you're supposed to feel the chaos.
01:20:51 --> 01:20:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:20:51 --> 01:20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Of the ER, which makes it really enjoyable to show and really hard to outline.
01:20:56 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and intertwining of characters over over patients and everything, yeah, it's wild.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So, well, if you're looking for something else to watch, Invincible's back, the radioactive rambling boys are covered in that.
01:21:08 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The boys coming back and the boys are covering the boys.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I heard the invincible had some early good initial reviews, so.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been paying attention, but I believe you.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It broke through my bubble, so for something that I'm not watching, and so that's a good sign.
01:21:27 --> 01:21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got never by the music, of course, every week doing music in psychology.
01:21:31 --> 01:21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You heard us mention, let's call them a cold several times this episode, that's because Nicole is our psychologist consultant.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, we have Sarah, our medical consultant.
01:21:41 --> 01:21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And Nicole and I did a what you're watching, which is a subscriber one.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We did a, because we had to do a WTF on Paradise episode seven.
01:21:52 --> 01:22:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And Episode 8 is about to drop in the genre and her and I will get together and recap the season because that show is just bonkers in a lovable way and a very lovable way.
01:22:04 --> 01:22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:22:05 --> 01:22:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have probably Howard doing their newlywed seasons still going on.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of fun over there.
01:22:11 --> 01:22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Go visit them, break down movies.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you got, if you have not, John, well listen to their dark man episode.
01:22:19 --> 01:22:19 [SPEAKER_02]: you need to.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Just for the experience of listening to them talk about another bonkers movie and having no context for what they're talking about.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It is so much fun.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen dark man.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I know nothing about it and I was like hanging off of every word of them describing this movie and like breaking down the plot.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: is this going on.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of fun.
01:22:44 --> 01:22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll definitely check that one out.
01:22:46 --> 01:22:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Their next movie is all the money in the world from Ridley Scott movie from 2017.
01:22:54 --> 01:22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I only ever recognized 10% of their titles.
01:22:57 --> 01:22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:22:58 --> 01:22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not a movie guy.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a movie guy.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Except you're going to go see, uh... Projectile Mary.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to see that Wednesday, I think.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you guys have a pod coming out on that?
01:23:08 --> 01:23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:23:09 --> 01:23:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to go see it this past week and then I got sick.
01:23:11 --> 01:23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm going to, I'm going to infect the entire theater.
01:23:14 --> 01:23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, yeah.
01:23:15 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to watch out this week, doing the pod.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: with one piece.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we did one already.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing two more episodes.
01:23:22 --> 01:23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I just finished what I needed to watch.
01:23:23 --> 01:23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great season.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you would hate it.
01:23:27 --> 01:23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great season.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so absurd.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, the criticism of a lot of anime adaptations have been that they, you know, try to make it cool.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: no one will accuse the show of doing that.
01:23:39 --> 01:23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They are just full.
01:23:41 --> 01:23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a character named Mr. Three and his hair is just breed it as a three on top and they left that in.
01:23:50 --> 01:23:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They just did that.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate it.
01:23:53 --> 01:24:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw a clip where like somebody was kicking somebody from the air and their feet sort of extended out like go go gadget feet kind of thing or something.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the main character.
01:24:02 --> 01:24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he loofy.
01:24:03 --> 01:24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:05 --> 01:24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He had the gum gum
01:24:07 --> 01:24:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, English words, no comprehension of meaning.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what made a rubber means.
01:24:11 --> 01:24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's made a rubber.
01:24:12 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I do, but like dumb gum, I don't know, in Blu-fi, whatever.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I think Alicia and I have a Hamlet project, mini project coming up as well.
01:24:22 --> 01:24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The new Riz Ahmed movie is dropping in early April.
01:24:27 --> 01:24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He's doing a...
01:24:28 --> 01:24:35 [SPEAKER_02]: A version of Hamlet that's set in London around South Asian communities, and I'm super psyched for that.
01:24:35 --> 01:24:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've been watching a bunch of AMLET movies.
01:24:37 --> 01:24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to cover that as well on our moviecasts.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I do love the David Tenant Hamlet, that Jameh, you said you were watching.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like it.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, Hader.
01:24:47 --> 01:24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's find it.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll fight off one.
01:24:49 --> 01:24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fine.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You can come on the pod on the pod.
01:24:53 --> 01:24:54 [SPEAKER_02]: DevilWare's Prada, too, is coming out.
01:24:54 --> 01:24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really nervous for that.
01:24:56 --> 01:24:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very, very nervous.
01:24:58 --> 01:24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I think of what else we've got.
01:24:59 --> 01:25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything else we've got?
01:25:00 --> 01:25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: No, we don't have any big shows really until... Yeah.
01:25:02 --> 01:25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're just finished up the pit, recorded in the Cosmere in the background, but that's not coming out till June.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm going to, you'll watch a watch and with you if you're still willing on, or what you're reading, don't you crawl across them, still trying to convince you to read that book.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep threatening me, keep threatening me, you gotta just schedule it.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil, Alicia and Jean, maybe Luke, are covering Daredevil.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That whole show.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, that MCU thing.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's something else that I wanted to remember that they were covering, but I can't remember.
01:25:32 --> 01:25:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, as always, we have a lot going on.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We're kind of in a little weird role right now, but, oh, and then the terror is coming back.
01:25:41 --> 01:25:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That's exciting.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not Laura Summer's coming with House of the Dragon and Vampire Little Scott is going to be going to be crazy one.
01:25:48 --> 01:25:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Mandalorian, House the Dragon, yeah, exactly.
01:25:51 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, parts are well, that's in December, so.
01:25:52 --> 01:25:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's gonna be another busy year, so.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm gonna watch June part three without watching the first two.
01:25:57 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I never finished.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I finished the first one, I guess, because I did that podcast with all of you.
01:26:01 --> 01:26:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:26:02 --> 01:26:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I never finished part two.
01:26:04 --> 01:26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm just gonna watch Zoom a science, yeah, what goes.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:06 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:26:07 --> 01:26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know what else is gonna be coming back this summer is the bear.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Super excited for that.
01:26:12 --> 01:26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you wouldn't join.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I know off the bare three seasons like oh, I can't do it anymore I know that's I know Ron and I Ron from Dungeons and do rags and I will go cover it But you and I will probably have to cover Ted Lasso Season will be probably do have to do that.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic about it.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I should be but I think they're gonna do the the thing with the the women's football team
01:26:35 --> 01:26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's hedge coaching it, like what are we doing?
01:26:38 --> 01:26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hand-in-one engines in it, and yeah, I think maybe they bring him back to consult or something like that.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Another consulting company gig, we'll see.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: How important, Tim, is my fan cast for Princess Donut, the talking cat from Dungeon and Crawler Carl?
01:26:55 --> 01:26:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, English words, lack of meaning.
01:26:59 --> 01:27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you on this David.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
01:27:01 --> 01:27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds stupid.
01:27:04 --> 01:27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my number.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:27:07 --> 01:27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's do our thank yous.
01:27:09 --> 01:27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll show the discord server boosters if you say the lore masters if I can find the outro really quick.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll start.
01:27:15 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you to our discord server boosters who keep the bits or a one.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Aaron K to live with the ruler do 71 Athenae Lestu Nancy M goes to
01:27:27 --> 01:27:30 [SPEAKER_02]: and our lore masters are top tier subscribers.
01:27:31 --> 01:27:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Samarshan, Michael G, Michelle E, SC, Peter O H, and Nancy M, Dove, 71, Brian 863, Frederick H, Sarah L, Garrett C, Andre B, Cuong Yu, Nathan T, Sub-Zero, Aaron K, Dali V, Mother Ship 61, Norles, Kathy W, Lestu, Jeffree B, Alicia U, Ben B, Scott F, Steven N, Julia F,
01:27:56 --> 01:28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Holly S. Illmariel, Paul K. Rockizim, Jessica A.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Red Zippy, the TCS, Joe Bermini, Catch it, Elinar, Mrs. Tenet, AC Wilson, E.I.W.
01:28:08 --> 01:28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Cassicae, Chambaruni, Katilla, Josh Liu, Paint in PDX, Cori G, Quintch, and forever last, but never least, Adriana.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all so very much for your continuing support.
01:28:21 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty awesome crew.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We could not run this podcast, the best of the best John, so don't fuck it up in between episodes.
01:28:30 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll try.
01:28:32 --> 01:28:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Get mad everybody.