The Wheel of Time - (Partial) Lorecast - On the Song(s)

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[00:01:25] We Lorehounds liked The Path to the Spear, the Episode 4 of Season 3 of The Wheel of Time, so much, that we decided to do two extra episodes related to all that juicy lore we got dropped on us this week. So subscribers and Season Pass holders already have access to a lorecast about the timeline of the Wheel of Time universe, where John and I talk about everything from the creation of the world

[00:01:48] to ages yet to come, putting the events revealed this week as well as all the other events seen or referred to in the show so far in the context of the millennia of known in-universe history. For this special lorecast, I'm joined instead by Mark from Nevermind the Music, the podcast that explores the intersection of music and psychology, and he has put on his music professor hat to talk through diegetic music in the Wheel of Time TV show.

[00:02:15] So this includes the songs we've heard sung by characters in previous seasons to the revelation of THE song, Sought for Centuries by the Tinkers and Revealed this week. If you're listening to this episode on the public feed, then you will hear the first part of this episode, where Mark and I talk about the in-universe music of the first two seasons. If you have access to the Supercast or Patreon feeds, as in if you're a subscriber or Season Pass holder,

[00:02:43] then I recommend listening in those feeds to this episode, as that's where you'll get the full conversation, both the past seasons and the implications of the new musical reveal this week. But either way, please enjoy this extra lorecast. Okay, let's jump right into the conversation with Mark from Nevermind the Music. Surprise! We're doing an extra lorecast this week.

[00:03:09] So Alicia here with a second lorecast for Episode 4, because this episode deserves it. And this time, instead of John, I have a special guest, Mark from Nevermind the Music. Welcome, Mark. Thank you for joining. Thanks so much. Happy to finally be here. This has been a lot of podcasting for y'all for the last week and a half. Yeah. Amazon really screwed us, but Disney's trying to screw us worse with Andorra, so. Oh, yeah. That schedules.

[00:03:39] But we've got plans. We've got plans. Well, I know you all had screeners, so at least you could do a little bit of it ahead. But I have to say, keeping up with it, watching four episodes in a week is tricky. But also listening to podcasts about those, it's been fun. But it's been a lot of Wheel of Time in my life this last week. Isn't that the best time, though? The Wheel of Time? Yeah, that's right.

[00:04:04] I mean, this is going to happen again in a future life, so I might as well practice now. So you are a book reader. And by the way, we are doing, as usual with these episodes, spoilers through season three, episode four, as this is coming out. No future book spoilers. I don't think we need them. But, yeah, you actually were really excited. You're like, I need to talk about the Wheel of Time. Let's figure out a way to talk about the Wheel of Time.

[00:04:32] So what's your background with this world? My background, and some of this maybe I can save for another, if I'm on another episode, to not get to. Because I have a weird, I have weird intersections with it kind of throughout the years. But I've been reading this since my eighth grade friend Mike handed me Isle of the World when I was, whatever, 13 or whatever. And at that point, I think maybe the first six had come out, and then maybe Crown of Swords came out right after.

[00:05:01] Like, I read that from the library when it had just come out or something. So that was a long time ago. And then there's been just fits and starts. I think I probably have read The Eye of the World three and a half times. With the half being a really bad breakup that made me just, like, nihilistic, and I just put it down in the middle of it. Right. But, and then only came back to the series with the Sanderson books. And I just read it all as one, my last reread.

[00:05:30] So my last reread was probably finished in 2014 or 15. So I haven't read it since then. Okay. But I go way back with the series. Like, it's probably my favorite fantasy series. I know it has its flaws that everybody talks about. But I connect with it a lot more, I think, than I do some of the other ones I've read. Though some of that might just be age.

[00:05:57] Like, I hadn't read The Fellowship of the Ring when I read Eye of the World. So it didn't feel like, you know, the Death Star coming back in episode nine to me. It felt just like, whoa, this kind of amazing adventure. And sort of coincided with me starting to read for fun, honestly. As opposed to skimming for a book report that I didn't want to do when I was in elementary school and middle school. Yeah.

[00:06:26] See, I did read Lord of the Rings first. But I still, Wheel of Time is my favorite world. But because I think it feels so lived in, you know? It feels so real. Yeah, and I'd read The Hobbit and I'd read Lloyd Alexander. I'd read Fantasy before that. But that was the first one that was, yeah, drew me in, you know. And taught me all sorts of valuable lessons about how women talk and how men and women are essentially different and cannot ever cry. Sorry.

[00:06:56] I don't love that part. But yeah. I remember, like, before I even really critically thought about any of that, I remember talking to one of my wife's friends about it, my girlfriend's friends at the time when I was early 20s. And just, oh, you've read The Wheel of Time? She's like, that's the worst book I've ever. He's never met a woman. What? It was the first time. And that goes to show, like, I hadn't done my second reread. I'd only done my 13-, 14-year-old reread. So it was interesting. Like, that's comfortable.

[00:07:25] We'll talk about that maybe in non-episode four podcasts because it's not really as relevant today. But yeah, I go way back. I love this series. I mean, yeah, for me, it strikes like a – it's flawed, as you said. You know, the gender thing is my biggest issue with it because it comes up so much. But it is – it strikes that nice balance between, like, Tolkien and George R.R. Martin where there's still –

[00:07:53] it's dark and gritty often, but there is still room for hope and for – I mean, not that there isn't friendship in Game of Thrones or Song of Ice and Fire, but you know what I mean. There's more warmth in the Wheel of Time. For sure, yeah. Yeah. And I think since I can see you on the screen, the audience cannot – I'm going to note that you have a braid, but you are not twiddling it nervously. Yeah.

[00:08:18] And tugging on it in frustration at the ignorance of the man you're speaking to right now. So we're not totally playing to Robert Jordan. Yeah. Depends on how this conversation goes. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think of the show so far? So the show has been up and down. I enjoyed the first season a lot because of just seeing the choices they made. I loved some of the choices they made in terms of kind of modernizing it, frankly.

[00:08:49] Obviously, it's a little rough at the back half, the last couple episodes in particular. Season two was a lot better. I really enjoyed it. I think there are only a couple things that are questionable. This season, I think, is just far better. I think everything about this season is far better. I've enjoyed every single episode. I think episode four – I don't know. I doubt my trustworthiness because this is also so anticipated, this story.

[00:09:15] Like, I don't know what someone who's non-reader is going to think, but I think that was one of the best episodes of fantasy TV I've ever watched. Yeah, period. Like, I think that stands up to – it's just the character, the story. But also, I mean, I'd love to see what somebody like David who knows what he's talking about about filmography and cinematography would think. Like, the spinning around of Moiraine's visions of the future. It's mind-blowing.

[00:09:41] Like, I find myself – I'm the music guy, and I'm going, wow, what was the music like? I was not listening to the music or anything. I bet that was really important to my emotional experience, but I was just so drawn in and pulled in by just the spectacle and the gravitas of what I was seeing. And just – I didn't pause it or anything, but I'm just like, oh, land's on fire. Okay, now they – who is that? Is that land fear? Is that rent? Right. And it was just so engrossing.

[00:10:04] And again, I'm a longtime book reader, so I don't know how much of that is influencing it. Like, is this too confusing? Because I found myself even having to be like, wait, so the two off the on split up before they picked up – like, there's this – like – Yeah, there were two splits, yeah. It's super confusing, and what is a civilian going to think, you know? So – but I thought the episode was wonderful.

[00:10:31] I think the Shadow Rising, which this comes from, was a – I remember being 13 or 14 and being like super – I felt a little bit like I was – was it Muradin? What's his name? Muradin, yeah. I wasn't quite pulling my eyes out, but I kind of was upset by what I read.

[00:10:51] I couldn't – my young mind couldn't kind of handle this kind of, you know, changing of a character. Like, I think back to when my oldest child was like five and watching some cartoon, and the police were chasing – like, I don't know, it was like a Bigfoot character or something. And the police or these Mounties or something were chasing him.

[00:11:18] And my son, he was like four, is like disturbed by the fact that the police were the bad guys. And, like, I just think – and I'm like, guess what? Just get ready, son. This is the late 2010s. You're going to – you got some learning to do, kid. But, like, I'm thinking of that kind of innocence of being shocked by something being flipped on its side that it kind of disturbed me.

[00:11:42] And then when I reread that book when I was 20-something, I was like, this is the best – like, this is the best moment, one of the best moments in the series. And so it's – I'm just imagining this episode. And I'm talking a lot. And we're not even talking about what we're supposed to be talking about. This is like – this could be the fulcrum on what's the entire series kind of turns. Right. And that's why I'm kind of following these stupid anecdotes of me as a teenager versus me as an adult.

[00:12:07] And then me as a super adult reading it 10 years ago where I actually, like, really got the significance of it because I was reading the whole thing. That I feel like that episode might be doing that. And I hope that lands in a way that even if it lands with the non-book readers in the way that it did for me as a 13-year-old, that was at least emotionally effective, though maybe you don't have a thousand pages of identity about the isle to reckon with, which could be a negative.

[00:12:36] Anyways, I've heard your thoughts on it, but anything you want – I don't want to hog the spotlight too much on this. I know you loved it too. Picking up what you were putting down – well, first of all, I have gone down a rabbit hole of watching reactions to this episode. I mean, I do that with The Wheel of Time a lot, but with this episode in particular, I just have loved seeing how people are responding to it

[00:12:59] and seeing how the book readers who – even the book readers who were very anti the show, losing their minds, seeing non-book readers respond really well to it. And I do have to say there's – you know, it depends on the person. Some people are really intuitive and really put the pieces together, and other people are like, oh, wait, so – but it's going backwards, and, you know, and it's taking them a moment longer, but still across the board.

[00:13:26] When the bore opens up, everyone's like, holy shit, you know, and when then Moraine's visions start flipping, turning the wheel, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that moment – it's one of those moments where I think you start to wonder, wait, is this going to be a sci-fi show? When the bore opens – It is. It's secret sci-fi, yeah. Wheel of Time is secret sci-fi. We're kind of staying in the fantasy vibe for every other scene, but there's something about this that is –

[00:13:52] like you could do – if you did an Age of Legends prequel series slash sequel series, it would not be fantasy in the classic way. It would be more like Foundation or something like that, which is just wild. So, yeah, I'm also curious. Maybe we talk about this on another episode, but, like, how are the ratings for all of this? Like, you know, if this gets canceled – Yeah, I'm going to be devastated. What if he stopped writing after The Shadow Rising? Come on.

[00:14:22] So, everybody show clips of this episode to everyone you know who likes, you know, big spectacle television. And I think it's also – it's going to help, though. Severance just wrapped up. You know, that's – it was a major thing that was taking up a lot of people's time, you know, and investment in pop culture. And I'm hoping that now with this episode, the word gets out, because I have not seen a bad review of this episode anywhere. Yeah.

[00:14:50] It stacks up with rings of power. Like, this looks like a million bucks. Like, it's funny because we're following, what, two characters the entire time? Almost one character the entire time? So, it's sort of a bottle episode. Yeah. But how many different sets? How many different locations? The costumes. How many different costumes? They had to – think of just the Moiraine and Lan – Lanfear killing each other over and over again. They had to shoot – how many scenes just with different costumes for half of them at least?

[00:15:20] And different scenes – like, I can't imagine the work this took. This is monumental – like, and if this show isn't considered for some of the kind of technical side, at least artistic side stuff in the Emmys. In the Emmys, yeah. I mean, what are they – that means nobody is watching it in that – It was an M. Will on Blue Sky said, if they don't give Sharon Gillum, the costume designer, if she doesn't get nominated for an Emmy, they should stop giving out Emmys.

[00:15:51] Right. Or there's something we have no – we can't imagine that's about to come down the path this year. Yeah. There's always a snobbishness towards genre TV, which is why I really hope that it takes off as it should. And, you know, it's interesting also that you mention your experience reading it over your life because that is something that comes up a lot and is going to hook into later. So we're here to talk about the music. But I want to say from my perspective, like, the first time I read the books, I was totally looking through the eyes of Egwene.

[00:16:21] Now, when I go back and read, I identify with Moraine the most. That – I have not reread this since I became a parent. So I'm really interested what that would do. But, yeah, who you identify with, like, for me is a – I don't know. Let's save this for another conversation.

[00:16:43] We got – I have thoughts about all that because that also is an evolution over my three complete sort of rereads. It's only three – only one full reread. But, yeah. I think we should save that a lot because we're supposed to talk about – It is – I mean, in a way we're going to talk about this because at the end we're going to be talking about the evolution of a musical concept.

[00:17:08] And so that brings us back to what we are ostensibly here to talk about other than, of course, the deserved gushing over episode four, which absolutely deserves 15 minutes of gushing. But before we get into the major thing that happened musically this episode is we seem to have gotten an answer for a question about the song. And we're going to get back to – we're going to get to that.

[00:17:33] And that's going to be the bulk that's going to be on the subscriber side of the episode for the most part, although we'll start to talk about it here. But I just wanted to take a step back before this current episode and ask you, what do you think about the use of music in the show so far up to this point? And we're talking in this case about diegetic music, not the score. Although I think the diegetic music – does that still go credit to Lauren Balfe? I'm sorry.

[00:18:01] Correct me, someone, if I should be crediting other composers for these. So, like, in terms of the series – so, like, when I was looking up, like, listening to some of these and looking up the lyrics and stuff like that, for example, The Man Who Can't Forget, that song was credited as written by – I don't remember. I didn't write down his name. The man who had written that episode. Okay. So did the melody get written by that person too? Probably the lyrics. Or did the series composer?

[00:18:30] Or was it just the lyrics? Like, I didn't find a lot on that, so I'm assuming there's a lot of overlap between the songs and the score in terms of the musical authorship, but the writers are also in there. And I think that's interesting because there's so much music, so many song lyrics in the books. Right. And those are not used for these songs. Not yet, at least. Yeah.

[00:18:55] The Man Who Can't Forget, Sing from Anetherin, are not the songs that are in. You know, so that's really – it's interesting to me that they chose to do that because they could have clearly given us – because to people that aren't book readers, like, this has a lot of music like The Lord of the Rings does, but to me it's used in a completely different way. There isn't let's sit around the fire and someone's going to sing a song about Baron and Luthien or whatever. Mm-hmm.

[00:19:23] It's more like Matt has these three song lyrics that keep running in his head for half of a book as he's, like, coming to terms with something or, like – you know, like he keeps thinking of Jack of the Shadows or whatever. Right. It's not like they're sitting around singing the songs. It's more like almost like the songs are in their heads. Well, that's true. But then also from the first book, the boys, Matt and Rand specifically, they play music in taverns to earn money so that they can travel,

[00:19:52] which is something they don't have much time to go into that in the show. Yeah. I want to come back to that actually later once we talk about the meaning. And I think to the non-book readers, since we're not spoiling here, you said something about the song. I think just people need to realize this ending is not something we book readers knew the answer to. Right. What is the song that the traveling people are always talking about? We didn't know.

[00:20:20] And the show is giving us an answer for that. And so it's kind of crazy. It doesn't matter whether we know or not, but it's kind of crazy just to think of that kind of having some clarity now to the extent that it does. Well, it also hooks into a popular fan theory that was debunked by Brandon Sanderson, who again wrote the last books for anyone who doesn't know after Robert Jordan passed away. But yeah, we'll get into that.

[00:20:46] But yeah, so in universe, you brought up Dance with Jack of the Shadows. I think that is the number one song that people want to see on screen. And I think that that would probably be like a next season kind of thing, to be honest. But other than that, I don't think that there are many songs that most readers could immediately call to mind. I wrote down some more common ones like Wash the Spears as an Aiel song, a Maidens of the Spears song,

[00:21:15] The Wind That Shakes the Willow, Forward the Lion. That's a Camelon March song coming home from Tarwin's Gap. So yeah, these are all regularly used. But I think if you asked the random book reader on the street, name a Wheel of Time song, they'd all say Dance with Jack of the Shadows. That's the hit single. Yeah. That's the hit single. And because it's used to represent things in somebody's character arc, right? Right. It's Matt's one hit wonder.

[00:21:45] What exactly it represents, I don't remember, but it's burned in my brain at least partially. I remember there's a hand involved, maybe a color. Yes, that's right. But yeah, okay. So there were then two in-universe songs used in season one that were sung by people. And you were kind enough to clip them for us. So let's give a quick listen to the first one that we heard in episode two, I believe it was.

[00:22:14] Sing for Minethrin or Weep for Minethrin. And this song- Sing is how I saw it credited in the wiki, but it's sort of both of those. Yeah, in my brain it's Weep, but that's probably just my brain doing Weep for Minethrin. Anyway, let's hear them sing it. The Emmonsfield Five or the Two Rivers Five in the show. They bore the land of blood long ago, long ago.

[00:22:41] Oh, sing of Minethrin. Oh, weep for the blood of Aenon. Cry for Minethrin. This is like my Wicked. I mean, Wicked's obviously my Wicked, but this is the one I cannot not sing along with these songs. It's your Witch's Road also. Right, yeah. The Witch's Road is also my Witch's Road. But what did you- This is a very folk song tied to the history of the Two Rivers.

[00:23:11] What do you think of this one? So a few things jump out to me. I want everybody to just think of that, oh, weep, oh, weep. And this kind of- Gosh, I forgot how- What's the first line we just heard? Do-bum-bum-ba-dum-bum. There's this- Bum-bum-bum.

[00:23:34] Just remember that, that the melody started with its first Matt sings a couple lines by himself, vaguely in tune, and then everybody else joins him. The new Matt is a really good singer. Oh, is he? All right, we get to hear him. So just remember this- Bum-bum kind of thing. You're going to hear that in some of these other things. So this is very, you said folk influence. This actually sounds a lot like an African-American spiritual, honestly. Yeah. There's something bluesy about it that the other ones don't have.

[00:24:05] Manet- What? Manet the Thorn. I don't remember what the line is. Weed for Manet the Thorn. There's like a bluesness to it. It's mostly what we would call a pentatonic scale. So shout out to a Nevermind the Music episode featuring, very irrelevant to this, Miley Cyrus' song, Party in the USA, where we talk about a pentatonic five-note scale. This one is almost completely pentatonic. It has a few moments that aren't.

[00:24:33] But that's a very common folk scale. But when we have that kind of bluesy melody with the, we call it antiphony, the weep, the back and forth call and response, that's a very, a thing we hear in a lot of spirituals. West African music does it a lot. And so African-American, Southern American music does it. Obviously happens in other styles too. But like our cultural references for, you know, the American audience, it's kind of going to come from that.

[00:25:02] So this one feels different from the other songs we're about to hear because it kind of feels like it's rooted in that, which is not what I would assume when you're saying, oh, make some music for the Two Rivers folk songs. It wouldn't be that. I feel like most fantasies would go, let's go to kind of Celtic references or Appalachian references and we're getting something different. And I think it's cool. I like it. Yeah.

[00:25:28] And maybe, maybe because they have tied up, you know, more Celtic influences with say the Tuathon who they have having an Irish accent. And, you know, for instance, new Matt is Irish and he has to take out, you know, go with a different English accent for, to play the character. So maybe they are purposely leaning away from Celtic.

[00:25:51] And because in the books, the characters in the Two Rivers are described as, you know, having deep tan skin, dark hair and eyes. Maybe that's, yeah, we can see by casting that they've sought characters like that. And, you know, we also know from a lot of, for instance, we know Shinar and Malkir, they, has a lot of Korean influences because they cast Daniel Henney and he's Korean. So.

[00:26:20] But it's, it's also mixed up, right? Because, oh, who is the American stand-ins? It's the Sean Chan, right? And so. Right. Why is it the two? It's just sort of a musical vibe. And drag. Right. That's right. We should have, are we going to have some like mountain music from, you know, Kentucky or bluegrass or whatever for them? I don't know. But like this felt sort of like a Southern American spiritual to me in a way that the others didn't. So. Okay. Let's. I don't know that it means anything. Just it.

[00:26:50] Yeah. And this is how that one goes. I can still hear the way that he cried for the ones he had loved. He saw them in the rivers.

[00:27:18] He felt them in the rain. Bum, bum, bum. Bum, bum, bum. Same start of the phrases, by the way. It's interesting. Sorry. Go ahead. No, I was curious if you saw any because this is still Tom Marillion's from Andor, but he's from the other side of Andor, you know, not this isolated mountain community that used to be Minethrin. So Weep for Minethrin, I suppose, is an older song, but this is one.

[00:27:46] We have that would have Andor and roots as well. Do we think that this is written by Tom Marilyn? Or is this a song everybody knows? Because I know they're kind of like, especially in the book, he's. Yeah. I think I associate Tom Marilyn more with epic poems. He plays. In the books. He does or he doesn't. No, I don't think that he writes the songs in the books. But he does. He'll. Or maybe he wouldn't sell new songs as old songs.

[00:28:16] But I think also he plays to the crowd. He's like, these are the favorites. You know. There's another gleeman we meet named Jason that is more associated with being a composer and a musician's musician. Whereas I think Tom is kind of more like Homer. Not Simpson, but the Odyssey Homer. Like storyteller, right? Right. So, yeah, this song, I feel like musically in the first season they were trying to do.

[00:28:42] We are not doing the folk Irish kind of British Isles. Filking kind of. Am I if I'm using that term correctly? Right. Kind of vibe. We're going with an Americana sound. So this one feels kind of country or folk Americana. He's got a guitar. He does not have one of the, you know, there's a, we can talk later about the other instruments that occur in the series. But harp and flute are the two that Tom's associated with.

[00:29:11] And it's not that. It's a guitar, which is not something that was invented until the 1800s on earth. So it's, they went out of their way to give a different vibe. It doesn't feel as spiritual kind of blues influenced as the, as Sing for Menetherin does. But this kind of minor key, simple guitar strumming, husky, raspy voice performance does feel sort of. Yeah.

[00:29:43] Almost outlaw country kind of thing. Yeah. I was going to say the tonal quality is quite bluesy, even if maybe the melody isn't per se. I mean, you, you definitely know the definition where those lines are drawn better than me. Okay. So that brings us to season two. We really only had one diegetic song and it's not the typical, it's not a sung song the same way that these other two were. And this one comes from a very different source.

[00:30:10] It comes from the Ogier who have this talent of singing to wood, to plants, to help them grow. So we hear the Shonchan force, L'Oreal, to perform for them. And this is what we get.

[00:30:45] That's giving me monk vibes. Well, it sounds a little bit because it's extremely low. It's in the sort of vocal fry strobos range. And it has a little bit of that Tibetan throat singing vibe. He's not singing harmonics above his voice, but the score is interacting with it in a really dissonant kind of overtony way that kind of evokes that. This one is also, this one's completely pentatonic, right?

[00:31:14] So notice again that it starts with the same figure that all of these pieces, including the fourth one we haven't talked about, all start the same. It's very interesting. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure what that means. But yeah, this has totally a different vibe. This sounds like magic, right? It's not a song in the same way that's meant to, I don't know if it's a processed voice or what, or if they just got a singer with an extremely rumbly voice.

[00:31:41] But it's supposed to feel a little bit different, right? This is almost like the stone singing or something in Rings of Power. I'm trying to remember what they called it with the dwarves. Right, yeah. I think it is stone singing. And it doesn't sound even like it's in the space. Like the music is mixed differently. Loyal's voice feels all reverbed out in a way that doesn't sound like you're staring at him three feet away,

[00:32:06] whereas everything else is really dry when we're hearing like Matt singing, sing for Minethorin. It doesn't sound all boomy like this, right? And it's not just because of the room. It's because there's a magic happening. Even though this doesn't have anything to do with the power, right? Isn't there – this is something else, tree singing. Yeah. I mean it's like an Ogier power. But the Ogier are – we'll have to do a lore cast about that sometime. But nobody completely knows where they come from. And some people say they're aliens. Oh, wow. From another planet.

[00:32:34] That's – I think that's a theory. I don't know what that's founded on. No, I mean, yeah. That's something we'll have to get into. I'm sure obviously we're going to – Loyal's already brought up the longing, so we're going to have to visit a Stedding. If not this season, definitely next. Right. And the Steddings are where Ogier come from for anyone who doesn't know. Or we lose Loyal. Yeah. Okay. And we'll pause the conversation for this public teaser there.

[00:33:03] In the Supercast and Patreon feeds, we continue on for another 40 or so minutes talking about the new song introduced in this episode and how that ties in with the previously discussed songs musically and thematically and what it means for the lore.

[00:33:18] If you want to hear the rest of that and you don't yet have access to these feeds, to the Supercast and Patreon feeds, and you're also interested in, you know, our lorecasts on geography and the timeline of this world and the rest of the lorecasts coming this season, not to mention the show guide with character guides and other guides and episode recaps and, of course, no ads. There are two options to access that.

[00:33:44] There's the monthly subscription options for people who want the extra Wheel of Time content, but also extra severance and and or another show content, plus the other monthly extras like Second Breakfast and the Eleven's Ease Movie Club. And the other option for those who only want the Wheel of Time content for a one-time $10 fee, that's for the whole season plus previous episodes ad-free from last season.

[00:34:10] And then there is the one-time season pass option, and you can find links in the show notes for both of those. If that's not of interest to you, then great. Well, thanks for hanging out with us and letting us talk music for a little while. And we will be back on Thursday with the breakdown of episode five. Do check out the link tree in the show notes for links to the affiliates.

[00:34:34] You'll also find links in the show notes to the Nevermind the Music feed, but also specifically the Party in the USA and Pentatonic Life Transitions episode that ties into this one. You know, Mark kept talking about the pentatonic scale. He breaks it down more there. And Nicole also talks about, yeah, actually thematically, it ties in rather well from the psychology angle. And, of course, there's also a link to the Discord where we are discussing Wheel of Time. It's getting nice and lively there.

[00:35:02] And we definitely want your feedback about the show, about the podcast, about anything Wheel of Time. We have moved the feedback episode to after episode five just because it's been a really crazy week for John. So that just works out better and gives people more time to catch up after that big three-episode drop. So if you want your feedback to be discussed as well, please send that to WOT, W-O-T, at thelorehounds.com. And thanks so much again. See you on Thursday.

[00:35:34] The Lorehounds podcast is produced and published by the Lorehounds. You can send questions, feedback, and voicemails at thelorehounds.com slash contact. Get early and ad-free access to all our episodes at patreon.com slash thelorehounds. Any opinions stated are ours personally and do not reflect the opinion of or belong to any employers or other entities. Think of a song you really love. Don't you want to know why you love it so much? Well, we can't answer that.

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