VisionQuest – Marvel's latest (and last?) high-concept television outing – begins this week on Disney+, and Elysia and Jean couldn't be more excited to see some of their favorite characters back on screen. Join us for a recap of the key events from Avengers: Age of Ultron, Avengers: Infinity War, WandaVision, Agatha All Along (our full coverage here), and beyond that you'll want to remember going into this show, before we turn to a preview of the new series, including which new characters we expect and what roles we think they might play. We wrap up with a look at the comics most relevant for this television trilogy:
Key Wanda & Vision (& Agatha) comics:
• Vision and the Scarlet Witch vol. 2 (1985-1986) – 12 issues
• “VisionQuest” (1989) = The West Coast Avengers vol 2 (1985) #42-52
• Vision vol. 1 (1994–1995) – 4 issues
• House of M (2005) – 8 issues
• Vision vol. 2 (2016) – Tom King – 12 issues
• Scarlet Witch vol. 2 (2016-2017) = “The Witches’ Road” – 15 issues
The most relevant Tommy & Billy comics for what's next:
• The Young Avengers vol. 1 (2005) – 12 issues
• Young Avengers Presents vol. 1 #3: “Wiccan & Speed” (2008)
• “The Children’s Crusade”: Avengers: The Children’s Crusade #1-9 (2010-2011) + Avengers: The Children’s Crusade – Young Avengers #1 (2011, read btw. main series #4&5)
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00:25 --> 00:31 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome to comics versus a Laura Hound's podcast, your guides to the fabulous lives of the synthetic and dangerous.
00:32 --> 00:43 [UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia, the secret extramender member of Wanda's oven, keeping an eye on her amnesia husband until it's time for her inevitable return from seaming doom.
00:44 --> 00:45 [UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh.
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00:53 --> 00:57 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk a little bit about why we're going to get to the common section at the end of anyone's wedding.
00:57 --> 01:03 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, so yeah, I can't wait to see what Vision gets up to in this final entry in the Wanda.
01:03 --> 01:05 [UNKNOWN]: I get the Vision Marvel TV trilogy.
01:06 --> 01:16 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm just sliding back over to Marvel and the MCU from DC duty to like the lanterns for our weekly coverage of Vision Quest with this season preview.
01:17 --> 01:20 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about everything Marvel today.
01:20 --> 01:24 [UNKNOWN]: Recapping the back stories of all the key characters, introducing additional characters.
01:24 --> 01:31 [UNKNOWN]: We know we'll be popping up here and at the end offering some common comparisons, recommendations for anyone who's interested.
01:31 --> 01:31 [UNKNOWN]: But first,
01:32 --> 01:34 [UNKNOWN]: I think there's some Comic-Con news to talk about.
01:34 --> 01:37 [UNKNOWN]: New York City Comic-Con, 2026.
01:38 --> 01:38 [UNKNOWN]: 2026.
01:38 --> 01:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:39 --> 01:44 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you most excited about from the Comic-Con?
01:44 --> 01:58 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we got some stuff that's not really news, but just some previews of stuff we already knew was coming, like X-Men 97, seasons 2 and 3, and your friendly neighborhoods, Spider-Man, season 2, animated series, both of them.
01:58 --> 02:07 [UNKNOWN]: We know Daredevil born again is coming back for season three with the, at least most of the other defenders and ending after season three.
02:08 --> 02:09 [UNKNOWN]: So we didn't talk about that.
02:09 --> 02:10 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about that?
02:13 --> 02:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, Daredevil seems to want people to get up in arms and demand a season four, so that's what Charlie Cox is saying.
02:21 --> 02:25 [UNKNOWN]: If you guys wanted, you guys have to get vocal, so we'll see about that.
02:27 --> 02:39 [UNKNOWN]: But I think, you know, like we've talked about it before, I think everything is going to be on pause until secret wars is, until these next two movies, we set the MCU universe to where they
02:41 --> 02:45 [UNKNOWN]: you know what gets actually put on screen afterwards.
02:45 --> 02:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that is the big question is what are they going to do with these characters who've been mostly TV, but not exclusively.
02:54 --> 02:58 [UNKNOWN]: There's been crossover with like Spider-Man movies in particular.
02:58 --> 03:05 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know could they be worked into those more or will they show up in secret wars?
03:05 --> 03:06 [UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
03:06 --> 03:06 [UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
03:07 --> 03:12 [UNKNOWN]: But we did get to new announcements about things that are coming,
03:16 --> 03:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, zodiac.
03:18 --> 03:18 [UNKNOWN]: All right, tell us about it.
03:20 --> 03:23 [UNKNOWN]: Well, this is a new show coming in 2020, eight apparently.
03:23 --> 03:24 [UNKNOWN]: Hopefully, fingers crossed.
03:25 --> 03:46 [UNKNOWN]: This said to be a Spice Spide Thriller, and there are a lot of people who are making connections between zodiac and hopefully agents of shield connections, agents of shield was a TV show that ran on ABC for I don't know how many seasons to say at least seven or is it seven or eight at least seven.
03:47 --> 04:00 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and then they, you know, in the early days of the MCU, they tried to bring themselves into the story of the MCU to have like the television and the movies characters.
04:01 --> 04:05 [UNKNOWN]: and things that were happening in the movies would reflect on a TV show.
04:05 --> 04:10 [UNKNOWN]: But we never actually got to see, you know, those things play out properly.
04:11 --> 04:11 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think.
04:12 --> 04:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
04:12 --> 04:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then it ended.
04:13 --> 04:17 [UNKNOWN]: It was a confirmed different universe because the ending viewed away from the movies, yeah.
04:18 --> 04:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
04:18 --> 04:30 [UNKNOWN]: And then, um, Claude Gregg, who plays Agent Colson, um, made an announcement about this show on social media, which I think also,
04:31 --> 04:40 [UNKNOWN]: You know, God people, oh, Marra is cold thing going to be in this show and if colds in this show are the rest of the agents are still going to make an appearance.
04:41 --> 04:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
04:42 --> 04:50 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, so if you look at the zodiac, they share a logo for it and they said, like, oh, comics fans, look at the logo.
04:50 --> 04:56 [UNKNOWN]: Well, one noticeable thing is the A has the eagle from the shield emblem in it.
04:56 --> 05:09 [UNKNOWN]: So in that, I mean, in that makes sense because this comes from this zodiac group comes from the comics where there were crossovers not with the characters in agents of shield,
05:11 --> 05:12 [UNKNOWN]: or former members of Shield.
05:12 --> 05:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's basically like the comics version is kind of like a shield hydra situation which is already played out in the movies but I imagine it might play on that and it just, it does, I don't want to get my hopes up because I've gotten my hopes up about rumors of agents of Shield characters coming back before.
05:32 --> 05:37 [UNKNOWN]: specifically looking for fit Simmons, which is two characters for new new doesn't know.
05:37 --> 05:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Quake and Robbie Reyes, aka Ghost Rider, like these characters back.
05:44 --> 05:48 [UNKNOWN]: And it seems like it would be dumb of them not to do it.
05:49 --> 05:49 [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
05:49 --> 05:50 [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
05:50 --> 05:56 [UNKNOWN]: They have an opportunity to, you know, bring back characters that many of us actually love it.
05:56 --> 05:56 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I
05:57 --> 06:06 [UNKNOWN]: There are B-Ray as people's writer, you know, for all the camp that Nick Cage does, but I mean, there are B-Ray's goals right and it was much better.
06:06 --> 06:10 [UNKNOWN]: In my opinion, then Nick Lee's Cage, and I love Nick Cage, you know, I love Jake.
06:10 --> 06:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I mean, those were not masterpieces of writing.
06:14 --> 06:18 [UNKNOWN]: Those, I love Nick Cage films, but they, I mean, the second one is especially, woof.
06:21 --> 06:40 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, you know, Quake and like he's mentioned fit Simmons and these are characters that we don't know, I don't think they got proper endings in the agents of Sheel and a proper continuation and hopefully the way things ended.
06:41 --> 06:44 [UNKNOWN]: No, but I think the way things ended was not
06:45 --> 06:49 [UNKNOWN]: You know, it wasn't a proper closure for the TV show.
06:49 --> 06:57 [UNKNOWN]: I don't care why anyone says to me if I'm incomplete and hopefully they get to continue with some of these characters in this show.
06:59 --> 07:02 [UNKNOWN]: So it was seven seasons, by the way, yeah, sorry.
07:02 --> 07:04 [UNKNOWN]: OK, well, there's an interesting thing.
07:04 --> 07:08 [UNKNOWN]: I saw, I forgot who posted it.
07:09 --> 07:14 [UNKNOWN]: But I'll have to try to get that information out of the house posted it, my gosh.
07:14 --> 07:22 [UNKNOWN]: But there was the Captain Carter TV show, Peggy Carter TV show, also good.
07:23 --> 07:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it was a great.
07:24 --> 07:33 [UNKNOWN]: But she has a dossier in the first episode about some missions that she went on and on the dossier you see Zodiac.
07:35 --> 07:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Zodiac is like they are it's it's a group of um yeah a group of of I don't want to call not super here is actually just more like
07:48 --> 07:57 [UNKNOWN]: So older types, like, yeah, they're from Shield, Hydra, and another third group called Leviathan, which is another bad guy group.
07:59 --> 08:03 [UNKNOWN]: And Jake Fury, Nick Fury's brothers on that team also.
08:04 --> 08:13 [UNKNOWN]: And so it's, yeah, it's by thriller stuff, but they have code names that are different members of the Zodiac, Eris, Taris, Gemini, et cetera, et cetera.
08:17 --> 08:35 [UNKNOWN]: that's what we see in the O is we see like the zodiac symbol in the O of the zodiac logo and there's some chunks missing so maybe those chunks mean like something um they're also
08:37 --> 08:54 [UNKNOWN]: I have to admit to not having like, I need to do a deep dive into these comics, but when I look on the Marvel fandom website, I think that they have those same chunks black doubt as well for those same characters, because they're deceased, basically.
08:55 --> 08:56 [UNKNOWN]: in the market continuity.
08:57 --> 09:04 [UNKNOWN]: So anyway, look up the great wheel is the other word for them or Zodiac on the Marvel fandom website.
09:05 --> 09:18 [UNKNOWN]: If you want more spoilery details about what's maybe happening there, but as they usually do, I imagine they'll slot in characters we already know or characters, they want us to know and why not agents of shield characters.
09:19 --> 09:20 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right exactly.
09:21 --> 09:21 [UNKNOWN]: So let's see
09:23 --> 09:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and to what's the other big thing?
09:27 --> 09:39 [UNKNOWN]: Marvel Zombies animated and they are saying that they're going to release three and consecutive years 27, 28 and 29.
09:39 --> 09:42 [UNKNOWN]: So 27 would get a Marvel Zombies to win the soldier.
09:43 --> 09:46 [UNKNOWN]: And 28 would get Marvel Zombies, the fist of control.
09:47 --> 09:51 [UNKNOWN]: And in 29 would get Marvel Zombies, the last guardians.
09:54 --> 09:58 [UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed this last season, the season of Marvel zombies that they put out this year.
09:58 --> 10:01 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was, you know, fantastic.
10:01 --> 10:04 [UNKNOWN]: The animation was really awesome.
10:04 --> 10:07 [UNKNOWN]: There was some scenes that still resonate.
10:07 --> 10:10 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'm, I'm in.
10:11 --> 10:15 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, out of these three are most interested in fisto-conscious.
10:16 --> 10:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so is that going to be because in the first Marvel zombies, they introduced, this is obviously an alternate world and they introduced a blade, blade night, blade moon, blade, blade night, a moon, knife, blade crossover.
10:36 --> 10:56 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, so that I think that's interesting, although Brad Winderbaum said that the last guardian is very exciting and a secret, um, it is interesting that each going to be only two part series, whereas the first one was four, so I don't know if there'll be longer episodes or just two half-hour episodes or, yeah, I hope they're longer.
10:56 --> 10:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
10:58 --> 10:59 [UNKNOWN]: I hope they're longer.
11:00 --> 11:01 [UNKNOWN]: But we shall see.
11:01 --> 11:13 [UNKNOWN]: And I think there's something that you said that, you know, really resonated as well with me, was that although this is great, but what about the live action?
11:14 --> 11:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I was so, because they talked before about after where we're off by night doing a men thing, a special presentation, which obviously I want and apparently I'm not getting, you know, I've been dying for Midnight Suns, maybe that will be a thing they do in the next phase, but now they're
11:39 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
11:40 --> 11:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
11:40 --> 12:03 [UNKNOWN]: So it's um, you know, I worry about the live action because they say they're moving away from, you know, these things, but I, I, I'm just hoping that what I feel in my gut is actually right, um, that they're waiting until after this segment of story is done between
12:08 --> 12:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, figure out which stories they want to show on the small screen as well, which stories they're going to show on the big screen as well.
12:15 --> 12:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
12:16 --> 12:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, now we know they've cast Ryan Gosling as as Ghost Rider, and they're good.
12:21 --> 12:28 [UNKNOWN]: So that's a good sign for midnight suns, but then that that's definitely going to be a big screen thing.
12:28 --> 12:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, are they going to give me the version of midnight suns that I want?
12:32 --> 12:33 [UNKNOWN]: It's getting I write it?
12:33 --> 12:33 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
12:36 --> 12:39 [UNKNOWN]: You would be a good person to actually write it.
12:41 --> 12:46 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but you know, we got midnight suns, but we still need a blade.
12:47 --> 12:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, so ball dropped so hard.
12:54 --> 13:14 [UNKNOWN]: It shattered and I don't know how if they can we have we'll see okay positivity because I'm very excited about the main reason we're here today and so Yeah, we're we're going to do a little cliff notes about the most important things to remember from before
13:15 --> 13:18 [UNKNOWN]: this show that leading into this show, the most important spot points.
13:18 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: But Sean, what would you say are the most important?
13:22 --> 13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like if people, we're going to recap the most important points here that you need to remember.
13:26 --> 13:29 [UNKNOWN]: But if people want to do full rewatches, what would you recommend?
13:30 --> 13:36 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, um, age of all tron, um, infinity war.
13:37 --> 13:39 [UNKNOWN]: Avengers infinity infinity war in 2018, um,
13:45 --> 14:10 [UNKNOWN]: uh... agatha all along of course in twenty twenty four uh... maybe i'm in two thousand eight yeah because um... the it seems like this is important because of the you know the fact that uh... there's a lot of AI involved that's Tony Stark AI because i went into the formation of vision but also it seems there's going to be some crossover with that version of the
14:13 --> 14:27 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know where that's going, but I know Disney plus was recommending that and then also recommending a Spider-Man far from home, but I'm wondering if that's just because the AI eateth from that is going to be in this or if there's any other reason.
14:28 --> 14:35 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, interesting about the Spider-Man far from home, because I just assumed it's just because of the eateth.
14:36 --> 14:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
14:36 --> 14:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it could be either there's a AI that Tony Stark gifted to people park around that movie.
14:44 --> 14:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll show up here a version because that's, yeah, all went into, we'll talk about Vision's origin, but basically he got all the, that's Tony Stark AI in his head plus Ultron, which is also in a way Tony Stark AI.
14:56 --> 14:59 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, so I would say the keys are it.
15:00 --> 15:08 [UNKNOWN]: Age of Ultron 2015 Infinity War 2018, and then you might as well throw an endgame while you're at it to finish that story in prep for Doomsday.
15:08 --> 15:24 [UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, the One Division series 2021 and there's going to be some plot points like the Tommy Shepherd stuff from, I guess, all along 2024, which you and I covered in full with fun guests.
15:24 --> 15:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, we did.
15:25 --> 15:26 [UNKNOWN]: Then one of the best shows of 2024.
15:28 --> 15:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
15:29 --> 15:30 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
15:32 --> 15:52 [UNKNOWN]: Shall we start with Ultron, who was, we've only gotten him so far, he's obviously a major comic book character, but in the MCU, we've only gotten him in that movie, Age of Ultron, played by James Spader, who's reprising the role here, what is his deal.
15:53 --> 15:59 [UNKNOWN]: He's an AI that wants to get rid of all organic life in the universe.
16:00 --> 16:05 [UNKNOWN]: I was, I'm just going to read his creation story.
16:05 --> 16:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's Ultron is an artificial intelligence who is originally designed to be part of a peacekeeping program designed by both Tony Stark and Bruce Banner and was brought into existence by integrating the code of the mind stone in case within Loki's sector.
16:21 --> 16:44 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron's original programming directive was to protect Earth from all domestic and extraterrestrial threats but upon accessing the internet and looking at the history of the human race, Ultron deemed humanity itself as the greatest threat to Earth as a result Ultron enacted a plan to commit an extinction level genocide against humanity in order to fulfill his programed mission.
16:46 --> 16:51 [UNKNOWN]: So mind stone, we'll be bringing up again as we talk through these characters.
16:51 --> 16:52 [UNKNOWN]: And um,
16:54 --> 16:59 [UNKNOWN]: Apparently, he's accessing the internet in this show, which I'm like, is anybody worried about this?
17:04 --> 17:20 [UNKNOWN]: Ah, this is, yeah, given the current state of things in our real world, could be problematic for those involved in the movie and the TV shows.
17:20 --> 17:21 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
17:21 --> 17:23 [UNKNOWN]: What happened with him in Age of Ultron?
17:26 --> 17:30 [UNKNOWN]: Wow, so much happened to all trying the age of all trying it.
17:30 --> 17:32 [UNKNOWN]: Well, he was seemingly defeated.
17:32 --> 17:39 [UNKNOWN]: I say, seemingly because I can need to feed the artificial intelligence, but that's another question for the other day.
17:41 --> 17:50 [UNKNOWN]: The was Wanda's ally when she was a villain with her brother Pietro, until she learned about the truth of his plans to destroy humanity.
17:50 --> 18:02 [UNKNOWN]: He created vision to give himself a better body because he felt his body was insufficient and visions body was indestructible.
18:03 --> 18:12 [UNKNOWN]: It took all of the Avengers' plus vision, plus Pietro, plus Wanda, to defeat him in that movie.
18:14 --> 18:15 [UNKNOWN]: But he escaped into another body.
18:16 --> 18:23 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron in vision, shared a conversation, and then vision destroys Ultron's body.
18:23 --> 18:31 [UNKNOWN]: So all that's left of Ultron is the part that he imprisoned, that vision imprisoned in his own mind.
18:32 --> 18:38 [UNKNOWN]: And he's also in what if the animation series on Disney Plus.
18:39 --> 18:46 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that version of Ultron is vastly superior to the one that we see in Age of Ultron.
18:47 --> 18:48 [UNKNOWN]: That's just my personal taste.
18:49 --> 18:49 [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah.
18:49 --> 18:50 [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
18:50 --> 18:53 [UNKNOWN]: We even get like an infinity Ultron where, you know, he used to be thin.
18:53 --> 18:55 [UNKNOWN]: I was sitting Ultron together basically.
18:56 --> 18:58 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, we definitely get cooler version.
18:58 --> 19:00 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that was,
19:01 --> 19:04 [UNKNOWN]: I don't dislike age of Ultron, like a lot of people too.
19:04 --> 19:05 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't dislike it.
19:05 --> 19:07 [UNKNOWN]: It's okay, it's not my favorite.
19:08 --> 19:11 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, especially it's important to Wanda's story.
19:12 --> 19:15 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, for P.H.O.R.I.P.
19:16 --> 19:18 [UNKNOWN]: Wanda's brother gets killed in that movie.
19:19 --> 19:19 [UNKNOWN]: But...
19:20 --> 19:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I see that Ultron, he barely got to do anything.
19:26 --> 19:33 [UNKNOWN]: And then even though it took all the Avengers to take him out, it's just still he was not the looming threat that he is in the comics.
19:33 --> 19:35 [UNKNOWN]: He is there a lot.
19:35 --> 19:37 [UNKNOWN]: You know, he's a much bigger role.
19:37 --> 19:38 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad to see.
19:38 --> 19:45 [UNKNOWN]: And this does happen with where, you know, he, his relationship with vision is complicated.
19:46 --> 19:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
19:47 --> 19:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
19:48 --> 19:51 [UNKNOWN]: Father, son, brother, whatever you want to call it.
19:53 --> 19:55 [UNKNOWN]: Protagonists and antagonists.
19:55 --> 19:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
19:56 --> 19:57 [UNKNOWN]: So look there.
19:57 --> 20:00 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad they're bringing you back and vision.
20:01 --> 20:03 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about the setup of the show.
20:03 --> 20:08 [UNKNOWN]: A vision is making all the AI in his mind space appear in human forms.
20:08 --> 20:10 [UNKNOWN]: So we get James Spader himself this time.
20:11 --> 20:11 [UNKNOWN]: Which is awesome.
20:12 --> 20:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:12 --> 20:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
20:14 --> 20:27 [UNKNOWN]: But speaking of the vision, Paul Bettany, previously seen in Avengers Age of Ultron, Captain America, Silverwar, Avengers Infinity War, not Endgame, and then Wanda Vision.
20:30 --> 20:41 [UNKNOWN]: He's made from vibranium, which is why the indestructible parts, created by Ultramate the help of a human scientist named Telencho, and then he was brought to life.
20:41 --> 20:47 [UNKNOWN]: That same mind stone that was used to
20:49 --> 20:52 [UNKNOWN]: to create a home-tron was placed in visions forehead.
20:53 --> 20:59 [UNKNOWN]: And that's also the same mind stone that we'll find out was used to amp up Wanda and her brothers' powers.
21:00 --> 21:00 [UNKNOWN]: Superhero powers.
21:00 --> 21:03 [UNKNOWN]: So mind stone, center of all this.
21:05 --> 21:12 [UNKNOWN]: And so, yeah, Ultron created him as the ideal form, but it just started to upload himself, but then was interrupted.
21:13 --> 21:16 [UNKNOWN]: And the Avengers took the body and Tony Stark and Bruce Banner.
21:17 --> 21:22 [UNKNOWN]: They put Jarvis in there, which was the name of Stark's first AI.
21:23 --> 21:38 [UNKNOWN]: But also there we see like there's that drawer of other AI names, some who become important, some who we haven't seen yet, but are important in the comics like Dr. Costa, and so those all end up as part of vision's personality.
21:38 --> 21:42 [UNKNOWN]: And then Thor brings him to life with his thunder.
21:44 --> 21:44 [UNKNOWN]: Like me.
21:45 --> 21:45 [UNKNOWN]: Lightning.
21:45 --> 21:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're sorry.
21:48 --> 21:49 [UNKNOWN]: The electricity part.
21:50 --> 21:51 [UNKNOWN]: that part.
21:51 --> 21:59 [UNKNOWN]: And then he started to develop into his own person and became an Avenger and had a love story with Wanda.
22:00 --> 22:04 [UNKNOWN]: We find out an infinity war that they ran off to go live and hiding together.
22:04 --> 22:12 [UNKNOWN]: And we also see in Wanda Visions and flashbacks of their love story where his pickup line is, what is grief?
22:13 --> 22:13 [UNKNOWN]: But love
22:21 --> 22:25 [UNKNOWN]: No, but I mean, when are my favorites to couples from the comics?
22:25 --> 22:28 [UNKNOWN]: They are probably my favorite couple in the MCU.
22:28 --> 22:31 [UNKNOWN]: What's your attachment to Wanda Invasion?
22:33 --> 22:36 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm not a fan.
22:37 --> 22:39 [UNKNOWN]: No?
22:39 --> 22:42 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not a fan of their romance.
22:42 --> 22:47 [UNKNOWN]: Because in the comics it's so choppy, because there's so much, um,
22:48 --> 22:54 [UNKNOWN]: Vision in the comics is based is it's one demand Correct, so that's it.
22:54 --> 22:55 [UNKNOWN]: I'm coming back around story.
22:56 --> 23:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's uh there's so much we don't It's creepy to me and I always felt it was creepy from when I was young reading those comic books But those comics are not the MCU obviously, but I just can't help but think about the comics when I'm watching them on screen
23:16 --> 23:40 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, no, maybe there's like some more, some of the more romantic ones would change your mind because there's it's I love the fact even after they break up and we'll talk about it in the comics corner, but there's comics I didn't recommend in that list are some where they really, but each individually and together have to grapple with the
23:46 --> 23:49 [UNKNOWN]: Modern times, they have some great stories.
23:49 --> 23:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I say modern, I mean, you know, maybe the last 20, 25 years of their story that get explored in ways.
23:58 --> 24:00 [UNKNOWN]: But you don't like the vision quest story from the 80s?
24:01 --> 24:01 [UNKNOWN]: No.
24:02 --> 24:03 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
24:03 --> 24:07 [UNKNOWN]: I think some parts of it is okay, but I've never really dug it.
24:08 --> 24:10 [UNKNOWN]: I've never really got why they were in love.
24:11 --> 24:12 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh.
24:15 --> 24:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, so it was just arranged me as a kid, you know, reading those comics, just didn't hit, but I get it, I understand it, and people, there are a lot of people who agree with you, who find them as the seminal, you know, relationship and Marvel universe, Marvel lore.
24:39 --> 24:42 [UNKNOWN]: Because it depends on the corner you pay attention to more.
24:43 --> 24:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I can't, um, I will never say that that doesn't make sense, but it just, I just found the relationship creepy.
24:53 --> 24:54 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
24:54 --> 25:03 [UNKNOWN]: I just, uh, so yeah, but in in the MCU, I think, um, I, I, the way that
25:13 --> 25:18 [UNKNOWN]: And there's more storytelling that can be done with that whole dynamic.
25:19 --> 25:32 [UNKNOWN]: And I was sad to see that vision go out, and why division appeared, because, and why vision doesn't have the memories and all these things right will.
25:32 --> 25:35 [UNKNOWN]: But I wanted some sort of,
25:36 --> 25:47 [UNKNOWN]: you know, conflict resolution between the vision that we know from the MCU and the wonder that we see in one division.
25:49 --> 25:50 [UNKNOWN]: At the end, I was just like,
25:52 --> 26:00 [UNKNOWN]: All those things that you talk about haven't didn't go through in economics about the dissolution of their relationship.
26:00 --> 26:03 [UNKNOWN]: I wanted that in the show, if that makes sense.
26:03 --> 26:07 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, that show was the dissolution of their relationship.
26:07 --> 26:17 [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know even though this one's called the request that one follows the plot of that comic more or plus some other stuff we'll talk about.
26:17 --> 26:20 [UNKNOWN]: Whereas this is the part where it comes to the grappling
26:22 --> 26:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's going to be about vision grappling with that side and then what we'll talk about.
26:30 --> 26:31 [UNKNOWN]: What I want to win through.
26:31 --> 26:34 [UNKNOWN]: All right, we'll take a quick break here when we come back.
26:34 --> 26:36 [UNKNOWN]: We will talk about Wanda.
26:52 --> 27:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
27:13 --> 27:17 [UNKNOWN]: story first as a villain who became an Avenger in Age of Ultron.
27:18 --> 27:27 [UNKNOWN]: She was in Civil War, Infinity War, of course, and she was in Endgame as well when she snapped back.
27:27 --> 27:35 [UNKNOWN]: So she is from an Eastern European fictional Marvel country called Sikovia.
27:36 --> 27:38 [UNKNOWN]: Do we in the comics?
27:39 --> 27:41 [UNKNOWN]: She has a complex relationship with mutanthood.
27:41 --> 27:59 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think I guess they imply that she's a mutant in the MCU because we saw the flashback in Wanda Vision where there was a stark bomb that fell in her family's house and it seemed like she was using her ability to manipulate probability to keep it from exploding and killing her and her brother.
28:00 --> 28:02 [UNKNOWN]: Don't let me start it on that, please.
28:03 --> 28:03 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
28:04 --> 28:12 [UNKNOWN]: We can talk, I can talk about my own happiness with the comics I've done to vision in quicksover for the next three hours.
28:13 --> 28:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, thanks.
28:14 --> 28:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, thanks.
28:14 --> 28:15 [UNKNOWN]: About their background.
28:15 --> 28:17 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's complicated.
28:18 --> 28:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, mutant, originally, and now,
28:24 --> 28:42 [UNKNOWN]: a few years ago said not mutants actually, not mutants, yeah, yeah, exactly, not children of one magneto, so there's a lot that they've changed and I don't think for the other person.
28:43 --> 28:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I think it was because at that time, I mean, have they walked, because at that time, and this was also what Wanda's story played into this within no more mutants, Fox had the rights to the X-Men stuff.
28:58 --> 29:02 [UNKNOWN]: And so they're like, oh, we're going to do our own in humans thing, which,
29:03 --> 29:05 [UNKNOWN]: did culminate in some sort of disaster.
29:05 --> 29:06 [UNKNOWN]: Agents of shield.
29:07 --> 29:10 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, agents of shield was the better version of the inhumans.
29:10 --> 29:12 [UNKNOWN]: And then there was the terrible inhumans.
29:12 --> 29:13 [UNKNOWN]: Inhumans.
29:13 --> 29:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, which was a good casting, terrible execution.
29:20 --> 29:21 [UNKNOWN]: The terrible story.
29:22 --> 29:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
29:23 --> 29:25 [UNKNOWN]: The writing is just, yeah.
29:25 --> 29:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, and then, but now Disney bought Fox, so then they have the rights, and now obviously the X-Men are going to play a central role on the next thing.
29:35 --> 29:43 [UNKNOWN]: So they've, like, some characters are like, no, actually they were in humans, and we're now like with, like, with, um, uh, Kamala Khan.
29:44 --> 29:49 [UNKNOWN]: She was an inhuman and now they're like, no, actually.
29:49 --> 30:03 [UNKNOWN]: Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-
30:13 --> 30:33 [UNKNOWN]: but then she was exposed to the milestone in these experiments that William Strucker puts her through her brother through an age of Ultron where he basically wants to create his own super hero servants and she and her brother are like the only ones who survive these experiments and indeed have super powers.
30:33 --> 30:36 [UNKNOWN]: She's chaos witch and he's a speedster.
30:37 --> 30:40 [UNKNOWN]: But it seems like she had the powers in the first place down in there.
30:43 --> 30:45 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, it's interesting.
30:45 --> 30:58 [UNKNOWN]: This whole, like the whole imprinting with the mind stone and with like all the voices and visions had, it does reflect, especially vision in the comics is as you said, like there's Wonderman in there.
30:59 --> 31:01 [UNKNOWN]: There's a couple other people in there.
31:01 --> 31:06 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron is a creator, um, there's a, uh, who we'll talk about.
31:07 --> 31:13 [UNKNOWN]: there might we might even see the other human torch, the not fantastic four human torch in the show.
31:13 --> 31:14 [UNKNOWN]: The original human torch.
31:16 --> 31:18 [UNKNOWN]: And the android human torch, yeah.
31:18 --> 31:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:21 --> 31:23 [UNKNOWN]: I think we should talk about pH row.
31:23 --> 31:25 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to set that up?
31:25 --> 31:26 [UNKNOWN]: One is twin brother.
31:27 --> 31:33 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think in an age of altron,
31:37 --> 31:49 [UNKNOWN]: most infuriating moments that I've had, and MCU viewing history, my own personal MCU viewing history when Pietro dies, because I thought that was such a waste.
31:49 --> 31:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so he was a god version play by Aaron Taylor Johnson, A.K.
31:52 --> 31:56 [UNKNOWN]: A quick silver, who played Korean, and so Bob Wood, let's not talk about that.
31:56 --> 31:57 [UNKNOWN]: Let's not talk about Korean, but
31:58 --> 32:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's one of the most infuriated moments that I've had watching MCU stuff because there's no rhyme, there's no reason for him to die in that sort of thing.
32:08 --> 32:10 [UNKNOWN]: It did not need to die, yeah.
32:10 --> 32:17 [UNKNOWN]: And he's such a great character because he's in as written in the comics.
32:18 --> 32:21 [UNKNOWN]: He is such a ass.
32:24 --> 32:33 [UNKNOWN]: is so comedic that having that play out on screen because they really don't have a wise cracking wise ass character.
32:33 --> 32:41 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't I don't think they had that in the original MCU and he could have provided that.
32:44 --> 32:53 [UNKNOWN]: a sense of levity when he's on screen, but also, you know, his powers is fucking cool, you know?
32:53 --> 33:09 [UNKNOWN]: Like, for kids especially, like, he, like, from when he started watching superheroes and cartoons and anything of that sort,
33:14 --> 33:16 [UNKNOWN]: the characters that ran super fast.
33:18 --> 33:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
33:19 --> 33:30 [UNKNOWN]: I could see, you know, whether Sonic or whoever flash, it's a super cool power to showcase on screen.
33:31 --> 33:41 [UNKNOWN]: And they dropped the ball in that, in my estimation, and I hated that they killed off Pietro, without giving him his proper, his proper doom on screen.
33:42 --> 33:45 [UNKNOWN]: He's a comfortable character, too, in the comments.
33:45 --> 33:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what an Instagram account is.
33:46 --> 33:47 [UNKNOWN]: He's very complicated.
33:48 --> 33:54 [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad, sometimes he straddles that line very finely.
33:54 --> 33:55 [UNKNOWN]: He's Android-ist.
33:57 --> 34:00 [UNKNOWN]: And his sisters in love with Android, do you know what I mean?
34:00 --> 34:04 [UNKNOWN]: So there's so much that they could have done with that character.
34:05 --> 34:08 [UNKNOWN]: And it was so frustrating to see him on screen and then move feet on.
34:13 --> 34:14 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it would be in that movie.
34:16 --> 34:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so then in, in, in, in, in, want a vision.
34:21 --> 34:31 [UNKNOWN]: we'll get to Agatha in a minute, but she plays, yeah, we'll talk about the other version of him there, but she, she toys with Wanda.
34:32 --> 34:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we'll, we'll come back to Fiatro as Darcy calling him from Wanda Vision, who's played by Evan Peters, who played him in the other X-Men stuff.
34:44 --> 34:46 [UNKNOWN]: that we saw previously at the Foxman stuff.
34:47 --> 34:59 [UNKNOWN]: But just to wrap up Wanda's story in the pre-wanda vision stuff, she is like, she envisioned brutal ending here in Infinity War where
35:00 --> 35:02 [UNKNOWN]: Vision has the mind stone in his head.
35:03 --> 35:18 [UNKNOWN]: Thanos wants the mind stone to complete his infinity gauntlet to snap out half of humanity and so Vision urges Wanda to kill him to prevent Thanos from getting the stone.
35:18 --> 35:22 [UNKNOWN]: So she has to destroy the stone and visions head so that Thanos can't have it.
35:23 --> 35:30 [UNKNOWN]: and she does that, which is obviously the most brutal thing you can ask someone to do is to kill the person that they love.
35:31 --> 35:49 [UNKNOWN]: And then Thanos shows up already has the time stone, so he just goes to a group, unwind, so vision is alive, and then Thanos takes plucks the stone out of visions for her head, killing him again right in front of Wanda, who is there, Thanos snaps Wanda, blips out
35:52 --> 36:03 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not the most brutal thing that brutal, they've put a couple through and this very brutal storytelling universe.
36:04 --> 36:06 [UNKNOWN]: I said, Lord, have mercy.
36:06 --> 36:09 [UNKNOWN]: I remember sitting there, I said, oh, oh, you're gonna do that.
36:10 --> 36:12 [UNKNOWN]: God, say you can't do that.
36:13 --> 36:20 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's just the first time you're like, no, and then the hope of like, oh, he's alive again, but no, no.
36:22 --> 36:45 [UNKNOWN]: she went through all that for nothing and watched him have twice and then got blipped then got blipped so then she blips back five years later and she's still like that's just happened for her that's just happened yeah let's stuff that could cause anyone to snap that could cause anyone to have some sort of negative reaction to the world
36:45 --> 37:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, especially with the way I came next year, but I do just want to make a note for just in case Feige and the Russo brothers remember because I sure do vision uploaded most of his mind in Wakanda before they were interrupted by Thanos and had to go to battle.
37:02 --> 37:08 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm still wondering if that like backup code of sure he's ever going to be like a Russian way.
37:08 --> 37:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we have like I forget what percentage they got to, but it was like a majority of his mind was backed up there.
37:16 --> 37:19 [UNKNOWN]: But then we got a, okay, so one is back from the blip, what happens next?
37:19 --> 37:21 [UNKNOWN]: What happens with the, with the,
37:23 --> 37:33 [UNKNOWN]: when she goes haywire and just starts, you know, seeing what they've done to him.
37:34 --> 37:35 [UNKNOWN]: That's what you talking about.
37:35 --> 37:39 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, that she, she's like, she seems right.
37:39 --> 37:40 [UNKNOWN]: What is this word?
37:41 --> 37:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and she goes looking for her, her love, and she sees him in parts.
37:49 --> 37:50 [UNKNOWN]: What's that going to do to you?
37:51 --> 38:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just played out across the table and I'll say the same, it is of call back to a famous panel in the vision quest quest comic series where you also just see him disassembled on the table and wanted discovers him is like, what the fuck?
38:08 --> 38:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like if you were feeling found the love of your life dismembered on the table, like, yeah.
38:15 --> 38:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, after you've been
38:20 --> 38:31 [UNKNOWN]: after watching them die twice once you didn't watch them die twice right and then you come back and you find them in parts look annoyed yeah what did they think was going to happen to want
38:34 --> 38:56 [UNKNOWN]: So then she gets to Westview because she in vision, we're going to like that was their dream to have a little house there and live a little normal life there, which is the Wanda Invision comic too, like volume two is kind of, it's about that, it's about that happy period where they get to live a little life there.
38:57 --> 39:00 [UNKNOWN]: But not in the MCU, no, she's like,
39:02 --> 39:06 [UNKNOWN]: a normal little life here with fake vision.
39:07 --> 39:09 [UNKNOWN]: And guess what, I'm pregnant.
39:09 --> 39:10 [UNKNOWN]: It's twins.
39:10 --> 39:11 [UNKNOWN]: We're having a family.
39:11 --> 39:15 [UNKNOWN]: And the entire neighborhood is coming along for the ride.
39:16 --> 39:22 [UNKNOWN]: And it's going to be sitcom as hell, because she watched sitcoms growing up and they're her comfort stuff.
39:22 --> 39:30 [UNKNOWN]: And she just wanted to live inside a sitcom with her not dead husband, even though she keeps seeing flashes of him with his head crushed in.
39:34 --> 39:40 [UNKNOWN]: and she's a powerful chaos witch, and she can warp reality to these desires.
39:41 --> 39:52 [UNKNOWN]: I think this was the first time that I said to myself that Marvel can do things differently if they want to.
39:53 --> 39:55 [UNKNOWN]: The storytelling doesn't have to be all.
39:57 --> 40:02 [UNKNOWN]: Thanos, Thanos, Thanos, level, threats, like they can do intimate story telling as well.
40:03 --> 40:13 [UNKNOWN]: I think this was the first time that I really watched something from Marvel and was like, hmm, they should do this more often because it actually works.
40:14 --> 40:16 [UNKNOWN]: It's actually compelling and it's, you know,
40:17 --> 40:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's super heroes and all of the, you know, fantastic stuff, but they are really doing some really good storytelling here.
40:27 --> 40:28 [UNKNOWN]: And it's really intimate.
40:28 --> 40:36 [UNKNOWN]: And I think we should get more of this type of show on screen, whether big screen or TV screens.
40:38 --> 40:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's also why, you know, you've been covering lanterns, you and I talked about Wonderman also before we started recording and these are also shows that I don't want to see, I mean, lanterns is obviously DC, but in general, these superhero shows that
40:55 --> 40:57 [UNKNOWN]: have grounded humanity in them.
40:57 --> 41:19 [UNKNOWN]: I was just listening to a podcast I really like called imaginary worlds and they just did a short episode about Stephen King and basically about the fact that the thesis of the episode is Stephen King is not really a horror writer he writes about humanity and these are the storytelling tropes and you know
41:20 --> 41:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I think the the shows when that happens with superhero shows like with the shows I just mentioned like with the show that we're setting up today that's when I get most excited and I don't want to see marble back away from that.
41:34 --> 41:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:36 --> 41:38 [UNKNOWN]: And one of the vision was was what usher that in.
41:38 --> 41:41 [UNKNOWN]: It was the first thing released after end game.
41:41 --> 41:45 [UNKNOWN]: And it was, I remember when it came out, it was the pandemic.
41:45 --> 41:47 [UNKNOWN]: And we had all just gone into lockdown.
41:47 --> 41:50 [UNKNOWN]: And it was just this great thing that we could share.
41:50 --> 41:50 [UNKNOWN]: And
41:52 --> 42:10 [UNKNOWN]: um also just touched on so much because I think also a lot of us returning to classic TV for comfort like Wanda and it was a show about grief which obviously a lot of people were experiencing and um just really connected with the zeitgeist in a way that I think.
42:10 --> 42:12 [UNKNOWN]: Well, when no one if I'm sorry.
42:13 --> 42:24 [UNKNOWN]: Noah is the I think kick this off and it's why also I you know a lot of there's a lot of I think phase five of marble has been a bit shaky but more on the movie side especially for me.
42:26 --> 42:34 [UNKNOWN]: With exceptions obviously and phase four for me was my favorite especially because of these TV shows that one division helped us around.
42:35 --> 42:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah I agree I remember watching.
42:38 --> 42:44 [UNKNOWN]: one division and sitting through the first few episodes I was like, now this, I don't like to shoot at all.
42:45 --> 42:46 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I love that.
42:47 --> 42:48 [UNKNOWN]: I was like, I used to watch I love Lucy.
42:50 --> 42:51 [UNKNOWN]: I don't like this shit.
42:51 --> 42:52 [UNKNOWN]: I don't like it.
42:53 --> 42:53 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to see that.
42:55 --> 43:03 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to see 1950s, 60s, recreation of what it's supposed to be, wholesome, because it was never wholesome.
43:04 --> 43:05 [UNKNOWN]: So I was, but that was the point.
43:05 --> 43:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's not off by that.
43:07 --> 43:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know.
43:08 --> 43:11 [UNKNOWN]: And so when I stuck with the show, and
43:12 --> 43:16 [UNKNOWN]: Even on the rewatches now, I can see what they were doing.
43:17 --> 43:34 [UNKNOWN]: But initially, I felt like this comfort watching the first two episodes, I would say, specifically because of my own cultural appreciation of what society is like.
43:36 --> 43:41 [UNKNOWN]: As the show progressed, I was just like, all this shit is super interesting.
43:43 --> 43:45 [UNKNOWN]: This is really not about that.
43:45 --> 43:56 [UNKNOWN]: It's about loss and as you said, the timing of the show was, you know,
43:57 --> 44:10 [UNKNOWN]: So needed, I think, because there are a lot of folks who tune into that show with a lot of heaviness on their hearts.
44:11 --> 44:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that made space for people to acknowledge it.
44:20 --> 44:23 [UNKNOWN]: So I appreciate the show for
44:24 --> 44:34 [UNKNOWN]: what it did for the time, but also like I said, the progression of it drew me in where I was originally, like, no, this is not for me.
44:35 --> 44:37 [UNKNOWN]: And I kept watching it and I was like, oh, this shit is for me.
44:38 --> 44:40 [UNKNOWN]: You know, it is for me.
44:40 --> 44:41 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
44:42 --> 44:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:44 --> 44:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then this is also where we saw the return of the vision that we're gonna see in vision quest, where, I mean, we haven't seen him in the trailer what he looks like an Android for me at, right?
44:59 --> 45:01 [UNKNOWN]: But when we last all him in one division,
45:02 --> 45:31 [UNKNOWN]: basically that what we saw the dismembered vision that Wanda saw sword this government agency military agency had put him back together but he was now devoid of color so that's why he's called white vision and but also devoid he didn't have his memories and he didn't have linked to that his emotions so he's sent in to the hex to try to stop Wanda and there he confronts
45:32 --> 45:48 [UNKNOWN]: Wanda vision, the Wanda version of vision that came from her memories and her mind stoning chaos which powers and they fight and they have another philosophical conversation because vision likes that and so I would expect that in this show as well which I'm looking forward to personally.
45:50 --> 45:54 [UNKNOWN]: And you know this is the whole ship of the sea is a conversation if you replace every plank
45:58 --> 46:06 [UNKNOWN]: They settle on no answer there, but one division shares unlocks at least the memories inside the programming of white vision.
46:06 --> 46:10 [UNKNOWN]: So now he remembers the past.
46:10 --> 46:16 [UNKNOWN]: He remembers, for example, his relationship with Wanda, but as of that, he had no emotion attached to it.
46:16 --> 46:18 [UNKNOWN]: So he just flies off.
46:18 --> 46:21 [UNKNOWN]: And that was the last we saw of that version of vision.
46:22 --> 46:24 [UNKNOWN]: Let me tell you something, Lisha.
46:27 --> 46:32 [UNKNOWN]: Talking about wife vision, I'll tell you that right now.
46:32 --> 46:34 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes.
46:35 --> 46:36 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, Lord have mercy.
46:36 --> 46:37 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to put so much shit.
46:39 --> 46:40 [UNKNOWN]: behind wife vision.
46:40 --> 46:41 [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
46:41 --> 46:43 [UNKNOWN]: It's a good version of me.
46:44 --> 46:46 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is going to be spectacular.
46:46 --> 46:54 [UNKNOWN]: This wife vision is going to, it's going to, it's going to give so much, so much life to so much people because wife vision talk.
46:55 --> 46:56 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's about to get juicy.
46:56 --> 46:59 [UNKNOWN]: I'm telling you, it's right now.
46:59 --> 47:02 [UNKNOWN]: Everybody know, wife vision.
47:02 --> 47:03 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, Lord, have mercy.
47:04 --> 47:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to have fun with this.
47:08 --> 47:20 [UNKNOWN]: But then, yeah, meanwhile, the one other version of vision stays behind and helps convince Wanda that she's been torturing the whole town and she should drop the hex, but that and so she does.
47:20 --> 47:28 [UNKNOWN]: But that means she has to let go of this construct of vision and of the twins of their kids in the process.
47:28 --> 47:28 [UNKNOWN]: So,
47:30 --> 47:39 [UNKNOWN]: They all just fade away and I think the most emotional moment in Marvel history for me personally, perhaps And I'm sorry.
47:39 --> 47:46 [UNKNOWN]: I'm saying Tony's dead more than yeah more than spotty's love I mean that was an emotional moment for me this hit tartar.
47:47 --> 47:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's this one.
47:47 --> 47:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
47:50 --> 47:51 [UNKNOWN]: Spidey's back.
47:52 --> 47:55 [UNKNOWN]: I would rank Tony's death above Spidey's death.
47:55 --> 47:57 [UNKNOWN]: Just because it was Spidey's blip.
47:57 --> 47:58 [UNKNOWN]: He didn't die.
47:58 --> 47:58 [UNKNOWN]: He bliped.
47:58 --> 47:59 [UNKNOWN]: So did Wanda.
47:59 --> 47:59 [UNKNOWN]: Right, Rhett.
47:59 --> 48:01 [UNKNOWN]: Rhett.
48:01 --> 48:03 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's to Charlie for me.
48:03 --> 48:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, but that's nobody.
48:05 --> 48:06 [UNKNOWN]: No BP.
48:06 --> 48:07 [UNKNOWN]: No BP.
48:07 --> 48:08 [UNKNOWN]: No BP.
48:08 --> 48:09 [UNKNOWN]: But that's of course.
48:09 --> 48:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
48:10 --> 48:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, obviously kind of the circumstances.
48:13 --> 48:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Paul Betney's fine.
48:15 --> 48:16 [UNKNOWN]: He's back in the show.
48:16 --> 48:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
48:17 --> 48:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.
48:18 --> 48:23 [UNKNOWN]: But I think the way they did that was I think.
48:23 --> 48:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:25 --> 48:25 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's true.
48:25 --> 48:26 [UNKNOWN]: That's a whole mother level.
48:26 --> 48:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
48:29 --> 48:46 [UNKNOWN]: But then, as far as Wanda, the last we saw of her, we have to address something a movie I actually enjoy but we've talked about before was made at the same time as Wanda Vision and obviously not with clear enough channels of communication to get her story development on the same page.
48:48 --> 48:48 [UNKNOWN]: Gosh.
48:49 --> 49:03 [UNKNOWN]: So we get this complex thing about her grappling with her grief, and then cut to next thing, they decided for some reason that they should amp up the horror stuff, which was great.
49:03 --> 49:05 [UNKNOWN]: This Hammond Rayme was a director of Dr.
49:05 --> 49:14 [UNKNOWN]: Strange from the Multiverse of Madness, but they decided to do it at the expense of showing Wanda's decline, because she has this book, The Dark Hold,
49:18 --> 49:21 [UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, you're absolutely what you've been calling it, right?
49:22 --> 49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she has her grief because she's let go of this vision.
49:27 --> 49:31 [UNKNOWN]: And now she's mourning the loss of these two children that she thought she had.
49:33 --> 49:41 [UNKNOWN]: She starts invading other universes where there are other versions of Wanda, trying to steal her sons from other Wanda's.
49:42 --> 49:43 [UNKNOWN]: And ultimately, Dr.
49:43 --> 49:45 [UNKNOWN]: Strange helps Juan to see the light.
49:46 --> 49:52 [UNKNOWN]: And she's inside this temple of Kthun when it collapses.
49:52 --> 49:52 [UNKNOWN]: And who's Kthun?
49:54 --> 50:04 [UNKNOWN]: Elder guy in the Marvel universe who gives Kiospower a ledgerally supposedly, but we don't know if that's really what they're doing in the MCU.
50:04 --> 50:04 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
50:06 --> 50:16 [UNKNOWN]: So on a likelihood scale of zero to 100%, how likely do you think it is that Wanda died in that collapse?
50:17 --> 50:17 [UNKNOWN]: Is zero.
50:20 --> 50:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it seems like she'll be back.
50:23 --> 50:30 [UNKNOWN]: And there was also a bright light, we should say when it collapsed, there was a bright light that appeared, that a lot of people are like, no, she shouldn't die, because that would be dumb.
50:30 --> 50:31 [UNKNOWN]: Zero percentage, yeah.
50:32 --> 50:37 [UNKNOWN]: But as far as everyone in the universe thinks, she's dead.
50:37 --> 50:39 [UNKNOWN]: They think she is, yeah, but no.
50:39 --> 50:40 [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't mean she is.
50:41 --> 50:43 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe she heard, doesn't mean she would stay that way.
50:43 --> 50:48 [UNKNOWN]: Well, so far, they have really brought people back from the dead, dead, just like- No, they haven't.
50:48 --> 50:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just the blips.
50:50 --> 50:51 [UNKNOWN]: But she's not dead.
50:51 --> 50:51 [UNKNOWN]: No.
50:52 --> 50:52 [UNKNOWN]: We saw nobody.
50:53 --> 50:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
50:55 --> 50:58 [UNKNOWN]: And then who else did we meet in one division?
50:58 --> 50:59 [UNKNOWN]: All along.
51:01 --> 51:11 [UNKNOWN]: Agatha Harkness played by Catherine Han, a meddling neighbor, only person in town who is really self-aware.
51:12 --> 51:14 [UNKNOWN]: He knew the hex is happening.
51:14 --> 51:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she knew the hex was happening.
51:16 --> 51:20 [UNKNOWN]: She hex an actor to play one of his dead brother just to fuck with her.
51:21 --> 51:22 [UNKNOWN]: That's no shit.
51:22 --> 51:25 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so that was the Evan Peters thing, which
51:26 --> 51:44 [UNKNOWN]: I do wonder because there was also, I still have the question, there was the reference about somebody being in witness protection and I thought that it was him, but it was like, why could he actually be maybe not realize because he, what was his name again Ralph?
51:45 --> 52:01 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, good he be actually from another universe, the Pietro because he really did play the Pietro in the X-Men universe, which is going to feature in, you know, these wrap-up movies.
52:02 --> 52:08 [UNKNOWN]: So I, I still wonder if there's more to this rather than Ralph Boner.
52:10 --> 52:17 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I feel like there's having Evan Peters who played this role, having him played in the MCU's got to be more than a boner joke.
52:23 --> 52:23 [UNKNOWN]: Really?
52:25 --> 52:25 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
52:26 --> 52:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
52:26 --> 52:28 [UNKNOWN]: They're ready to kill one Pietro.
52:29 --> 52:29 [UNKNOWN]: And so.
52:30 --> 52:31 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe they were like, that was dumb.
52:31 --> 52:33 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
52:34 --> 52:35 [UNKNOWN]: You didn't do the stories yet.
52:36 --> 52:40 [UNKNOWN]: Until I see it in secret wars, and I won't believe it.
52:41 --> 52:41 [UNKNOWN]: So.
52:41 --> 52:42 [UNKNOWN]: Alright.
52:43 --> 52:44 [UNKNOWN]: Show me him in secret wars.
52:44 --> 52:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
52:45 --> 52:46 [UNKNOWN]: Then yeah.
52:47 --> 52:47 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
52:47 --> 52:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's let's touch on Agatha's story, um, although as I said, yeah, in this in in one division, she babysat one of his kids kidnapped one of his kids.
52:58 --> 53:00 [UNKNOWN]: She was their babysitter in the comics.
53:00 --> 53:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um, she, this version of Agatha in the MCU, she has the ability to steal other
53:11 --> 53:16 [UNKNOWN]: So she was trying to steal Wanda's powerful chaos magic.
53:17 --> 53:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then Wanda learned from her, but then turned that around and used which she learned from her about hexes and runes and stuff against Agatha.
53:26 --> 53:30 [UNKNOWN]: So that now in an ironic, I guess it was fitting punishment.
53:31 --> 53:35 [UNKNOWN]: Agatha went from being the only person in town who knew about the hex.
53:36 --> 53:45 [UNKNOWN]: and remember who she was to now she's the only person in town who is still stuck in the hex and doesn't know who she really is.
53:45 --> 53:48 [UNKNOWN]: That was nasty, but deserved.
53:48 --> 53:49 [UNKNOWN]: I would say deserved.
53:50 --> 53:53 [UNKNOWN]: I was not mad that wanted it that because
53:54 --> 54:00 [UNKNOWN]: That holds it, bringing your dead brother back to life, trying to, you know, take your kids in.
54:00 --> 54:02 [UNKNOWN]: Nah, she deserved all that shit.
54:02 --> 54:03 [UNKNOWN]: She went to Zarya.
54:04 --> 54:06 [UNKNOWN]: She killed a lot of witches as we learn in...
54:06 --> 54:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she, yes, yes, yes.
54:09 --> 54:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I do recommend, if you're interested in Agatha all along, we had a great time covering it, went really deep with that had a lot of guest hosts and even did a final cuffing quiz with everyone, eight of us, at the end.
54:23 --> 54:26 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so Agatha all along is the sec.
54:26 --> 54:29 [UNKNOWN]: So the first in this TV trilogy was one division.
54:29 --> 54:31 [UNKNOWN]: Second, Agatha all along, third vision quest.
54:31 --> 54:34 [UNKNOWN]: So in Agatha all along, we get,
54:36 --> 54:37 [UNKNOWN]: Lots of good music.
54:37 --> 54:39 [UNKNOWN]: Down, down, down, down the road.
54:39 --> 54:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:41 --> 54:44 [UNKNOWN]: We analyzed the hell out of that while it was playing.
54:44 --> 54:48 [UNKNOWN]: So check out those episodes if you want more information.
54:48 --> 54:49 [UNKNOWN]: We have a good time with that show.
54:50 --> 54:51 [UNKNOWN]: I show you a lot of fun.
54:51 --> 54:52 [UNKNOWN]: It was really good.
54:52 --> 54:52 [UNKNOWN]: It was really good.
54:53 --> 54:55 [UNKNOWN]: So one of my favorite coverage thing.
54:55 --> 54:56 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad we get to cover this together, too.
54:56 --> 54:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:59 --> 55:08 [UNKNOWN]: But yes, who we learned in that Agatha's backstory from being a Salem witch and her mom hated her and thought she was just like evil.
55:09 --> 55:13 [UNKNOWN]: She, I get the fella in love with death as portrayed by Aubrey Plaza.
55:15 --> 55:20 [UNKNOWN]: And they had a son who died, who, yeah, Nicholas, who,
55:21 --> 55:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we have ideas about where he might have turned up based on the comics, but we don't know yet in the MCU.
55:27 --> 55:39 [UNKNOWN]: And she, I guess that was creating this myth of the witch's road to get other witches to, to trick them basically so she could still their magic.
55:39 --> 55:41 [UNKNOWN]: But Billy, she meets Billy
55:45 --> 55:59 [UNKNOWN]: that he inherited from his mother and he believes in the witch's road so much that he makes it real and agatha the plot of agatha all along is again she's the one who knows what's really happening but she's like let's just see where there's goats.
56:00 --> 56:21 [UNKNOWN]: and they go on down the road, multiple which is die, and then Billy realizes it and he and Agatha and Death all have this final confrontation death once a body and ultimately Agatha gives her hers to sacrifice herself for Billy because he reminded her of her son basically.
56:28 --> 56:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, from where she started to where she ended at the end of Agatha all along.
56:33 --> 56:35 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a nice character arc.
56:35 --> 56:42 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to set up, um, so I mentioned this Billy and Tommy Maximoff, but do you want to recap their story?
56:42 --> 56:43 [UNKNOWN]: What happened through these shows?
56:44 --> 56:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely Billy, Billy's a witch, just like his mom, Tommy's a speaker, just like his deceased Uncle Pietro, or Pietro, and fade away with the hex but not completely.
57:01 --> 57:05 [UNKNOWN]: Inside of the hex that wanted to create it, they age very
57:07 --> 57:14 [UNKNOWN]: and these forms were released with the Hex, but they were in some way really, really real.
57:15 --> 57:31 [UNKNOWN]: Billy's soul, Conan Gold, so, winds up in the body of a teen boy who had just died in a car crash, William Kaplan, played by Jolak, and he becomes both William and
57:35 --> 57:43 [UNKNOWN]: Three years after Wanda Vision, we get agatha all along, and Billy has a boyfriend, Eddie, not Teddy.
57:43 --> 57:58 [UNKNOWN]: Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
58:00 --> 58:02 [UNKNOWN]: But this boyfriend is named Eddie Nattery.
58:02 --> 58:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just a first love, not the great love.
58:05 --> 58:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there you go.
58:07 --> 58:20 [UNKNOWN]: And also in Agatha, all along, it's Billy's origin story as his superhero character call Wicken, which we get to see him, Don, his crown, and cape.
58:20 --> 58:23 [UNKNOWN]: In the show as well, which was a really great moment.
58:24 --> 58:34 [UNKNOWN]: With Agatha's help, Billy finds Tommy's soul and guides his soul into another team boy who had just died by drowning in a bullying incident.
58:35 --> 58:46 [UNKNOWN]: Tommy Shepard played by Ruri, Molika, and Vision Quest, we think at least you and I think it's going to be Tommy's speed origin.
58:47 --> 58:49 [UNKNOWN]: Speed is his superhero code name.
58:50 --> 58:51 [UNKNOWN]: So that's what we think it's going to be.
58:52 --> 58:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we know he's in the, he's in the preview.
58:56 --> 59:01 [UNKNOWN]: So it must be, yeah, that this is, we know that Vision and Tommy are going to be,
59:03 --> 59:03 [UNKNOWN]: to meeting.
59:04 --> 59:23 [UNKNOWN]: And I assume that we have, we're going to learn about his, his superpowers and he's going to be investigating like how did I end up with this soul and this body that I don't remember before, you know, however long this has been since I could all along.
59:23 --> 59:23 [UNKNOWN]: We're not really sure.
59:23 --> 59:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think.
59:24 --> 59:25 [UNKNOWN]: But the time.
59:25 --> 59:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
59:28 --> 59:35 [UNKNOWN]: And then apparently Tommy has been in our foster care system and is a petty criminal like a pick pocket, things of that nature.
59:36 --> 59:42 [UNKNOWN]: But at the end of Agatha, all along, you have Billy and Agatha's Ghost, Ghost Agatha.
59:43 --> 59:48 [UNKNOWN]: They join together and say without to go find Tommy.
59:49 --> 59:53 [UNKNOWN]: I think there's a non-zero chance they show up at the end of this series.
59:54 --> 01:00:05 [UNKNOWN]: agreed because you have the premise that we think this show is about is about vision, piecing back together his family, right?
01:00:06 --> 01:00:09 [UNKNOWN]: Um, finding his children or child.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:20 [UNKNOWN]: And then at the end of Agatha all along, we know that that's what Billy and Agatha set out to do so it would make sense that they would cross paths.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:29 [UNKNOWN]: and vision quest, because they're both doing up to do the same thing, finding Tommy.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: And there's...
01:00:33 --> 01:00:39 [UNKNOWN]: There's some other assorted characters along this way that might more that we know will pop up.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:44 [UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about Jarvis and the other AI in our vision quest preview in just a moment.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:50 [UNKNOWN]: I'll just mention Monica Rambo is a big character in Wanda Vision.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:59 [UNKNOWN]: She gets sucked into the hex and caught up in all that, but I doubt she'll be in this show, but she will pretty certainly doomsday.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:09 [UNKNOWN]: better be in don't say better because we know that like those X-Men characters are that she was last seen with at the end of the Marvel's movie.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:24 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if yeah I don't think she'll be back here but like I'm just saying she better be in don't say that's all I'm saying would be interesting you can do him stay for path crossed with Wanda there.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:41 [UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, the other witches from Agatha all along will most died, but Jennifer Kayle is still out there hopefully bit her buddy from the comics men thing but I don't expect to see her here, but it would be fun.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:47 [UNKNOWN]: And but who randomly is concerned is confirmed to be here.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:59 [UNKNOWN]: This is a tie back to that Ironman that I was alluding to is Raza, the leader of the fake 10 rings faction that kidnapped Tony Stark in the first Ironman movie.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:07 [UNKNOWN]: And this is weird because Raza was killed in that movie as far as we know by Obadiestane.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:17 [UNKNOWN]: I don't, yeah, and and also it was revealed that the 10 rings organization was not the real one.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:24 [UNKNOWN]: We learned more like we saw the real one in Shang Qi, which is in China rather than this was in Afghanistan.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:30 [UNKNOWN]: What, what, where do you roll do you think any of this might play in it?
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 [UNKNOWN]: And are we getting Trevor's lottery?
01:02:32 --> 01:02:33 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think so.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think we're getting Trevor.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:37 [UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:40 [UNKNOWN]: We show up with what your man West Coast Avengers will go.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:41 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44 [UNKNOWN]: They did fly off together at the end of that episode.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:51 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe they flew into one into Vision Quest, which would be awesome because of the comic history between Vision and Wonderman.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:53 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'm here for that.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:55 [UNKNOWN]: But do I think it's going to happen?
01:02:56 --> 01:02:58 [UNKNOWN]: No, I agree, but what do you think?
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think the 10, like I understand?
01:03:00 --> 01:03:03 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, we're bringing back Tony's AI, but what do you think 10 rings?
01:03:04 --> 01:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: Is that just like it?
01:03:05 --> 01:03:07 [UNKNOWN]: Because of Tony's AI maybe?
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe because that's just a reference.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I, I don't, I don't think it's like, like their actual protagonist.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:19 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's like a training program or something?
01:03:19 --> 01:03:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:22 [UNKNOWN]: I think so.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:28 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's because of what Tony has gone through in the memories of the AI's.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:37 [UNKNOWN]: And now because they're, you know, like, set up as the big bad or whatever in the real world.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:38 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:41 [UNKNOWN]: Well, okay.
01:03:41 --> 01:04:03 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it will see how it turns up and will remind you of any links or for anyone else who might show up by surprise, but let's take a quick break here and when we come back, we're going to talk about what we know so far about vision quest, the new show, including when it airs, how we're going to be covering it and characters, we know we'll be showing up.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:04 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:04 [UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: See you on the other side.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:25 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, vision quest.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:40 [UNKNOWN]: So unlike Wanda Vision and Agatha along this one, this time Jack Schaefer is not the showrunner, although she did remain an executive producer, but she handed the reins over to Terry Matales.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:50 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's how you say his last name, who is best known for 12 monkeys and per card, which are both shows I have not seen but have heard good things about.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [UNKNOWN]: Have you watched either of them?
01:04:52 --> 01:04:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm Picard, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, apparently that's what kind of sold.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't seen 12 monkeys.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've heard 12 monkeys is really the top of my list of had it recommended.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:06 [UNKNOWN]: I love the movies.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: Oh wow, okay.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:08 [UNKNOWN]: Get a movie with school.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: But this is, yeah, I love the movie.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: This is the TV show version.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:13 [UNKNOWN]: I hear the best things about it.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:16 [UNKNOWN]: I just haven't carved out the time to watch it.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:17 [UNKNOWN]: And I need to do that.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:21 [UNKNOWN]: Because I actually lobbied a streamer locally to add it and they did.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, oh, I should watch it.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: I know there's too much to be done.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: You told the people that do it and then they did it.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:32 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm glad other people are watching it there.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:36 [UNKNOWN]: And so we finally learned the release schedule.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:39 [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be releasing, okay.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:58 [UNKNOWN]: So it's releasing Wednesday, but I have to say, it says Wednesday the 14th in my app, which, you know, since I'm located in Europe, usually when it releases at 9 p.m. East Coast time, that's 3 a.m. my time, so it's say the 15th, you know?
01:05:58 --> 01:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if it's maybe releasing Tuesday evening
01:06:03 --> 01:06:06 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the hood, I'm going to do a live check right now on my app.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:07 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:12 [UNKNOWN]: See what it says, hold on, hold on.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: Or the other possibility is they do midnight pacific time, which would be 3 a.m. for East Coast and then 9 a.m. for me.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:24 [UNKNOWN]: Now I'm still seeing the 14th.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so maybe they release it midnight or we'll see, we'll see.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:29 [UNKNOWN]: And regardless,
01:06:32 --> 01:06:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're going to be recording on Thursdays to get our episodes out on Fridays, because unfortunately we do not have screeners.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:44 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, Marvel, you guys have to, you know, I know you're listening and fighting.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:48 [UNKNOWN]: Which is why he doesn't give us screeners now.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: I did not say I taken all back.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't take nothing back for you.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not taking it back.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:02 [UNKNOWN]: but I do respect the move on, you know what I'm saying?
01:07:03 --> 01:07:09 [UNKNOWN]: I bet Mahersha Ali would give us greeners, yeah, no.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: Wonder man would give us greeners, just saying.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:14 [UNKNOWN]: No, man.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so but we learned also that this is having a different release schedule.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:35 [UNKNOWN]: hate it, it's going to basically we're going to have three weeks left less because they're going to combine double up episodes for the first three weeks.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:44 [UNKNOWN]: So October 14th for getting episodes 1 and 2, October 21st, Episode 3 and 4, October 28th, Episode 5 and 6.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:49 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if there's going to be any sort of Halloween theme in those last two and they're kind of rushing to get to
01:07:51 --> 01:08:01 [UNKNOWN]: November 4th is going to be just episode 7 and then the finale is on its own as well, the following week on the November 11th.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: So there's eight episodes in total and we will be covering weekly but we'll be combining episodes where the release schedule does as well.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's just to not interfere with dorms day.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it would have been done well before doomsday anyway.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:23 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just the fact that it's releasing close enough to that that they can expect everyone to have caught up.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not expecting crossover with doomsday, but I am expecting crossover with the secret war's next year.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31 [UNKNOWN]: Mm, interesting.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:32 [UNKNOWN]: That would be my, yeah.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:36 [UNKNOWN]: So what's the premise of the series?
01:08:37 --> 01:08:45 [UNKNOWN]: So after being resurrected in one division, the android vision lives in hiding while holding hold a hold a hold a hold a hold.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:56 [UNKNOWN]: After being resurrected by in one division, white vision lives in hiding while he attempts to understand who he is.
01:08:56 --> 01:08:56 [UNKNOWN]: His whiteness no.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:02 [UNKNOWN]: By communicating with various AI personas that are embedded in his programming.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: When a bounty is placed on his head, he goes on to run with a mysterious teenager who may be his reincarnated son.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:23 [UNKNOWN]: So I noticed with this inclusion of Tommy here, when they first announced the role they're like that character is going to be called quote-unquote thatch.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:29 [UNKNOWN]: And like this is just like when you try to tell us Billy was called teen and everyone's like, yeah sure, you mean Billy Kaplan?
01:09:29 --> 01:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, what a surprise.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:32 [UNKNOWN]: It's Billy Kaplan.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:35 [UNKNOWN]: So this time they're just like it's Tommy Shepherd.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's fine.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:36 [UNKNOWN]: It's Tommy Shepherd.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:37 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:37 [UNKNOWN]: You're ready.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: You're ready?
01:09:38 --> 01:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:40 [UNKNOWN]: It says there's what it is.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:42 [UNKNOWN]: No mystery involved.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's just keep moving.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:51 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so we have father, father, son, bonding time with
01:09:57 --> 01:09:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:09:58 --> 01:10:05 [UNKNOWN]: And we have the real world versus visions, memory, um, palace, the mind, space, or mind, scape.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:11 [UNKNOWN]: I think, um, uh, we'll see which one and what they call it, but there's virtually the same thing.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:20 [UNKNOWN]: So it's where all the AI's exist in visions, um, universe in his mind, which is quite vast.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:40 [UNKNOWN]: And since Vision can disguise himself as a human, he's been doing that and working at a pub and it turns out he's not hiding that much because it's the pub where we saw an infinity war where he and Wanda were having their, you know, seen together, you know, tripped on the run.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's owned by a woman named Fiona.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:50 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see if she how much of a role she plays, she might just be in the first episode or so, but
01:10:52 --> 01:10:58 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, he's got his mind palace with all the stark-based AI that went into creating his personality.
01:10:58 --> 01:11:00 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, but that's the question though.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:12 [UNKNOWN]: Like, so he was disassembled and reassembled and then given memories from like a spiritual version of his basically that was connected through Wanda and the Mind Stone.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:22 [UNKNOWN]: I guess that means all of these AI, the Star AI, the went into his personality, survived that whole process are still part of all of that.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: Still living here.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:24 [UNKNOWN]: I think so.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:32 [UNKNOWN]: I think so, but my question is, is it, is it he more connected than we think?
01:11:34 --> 01:11:41 [UNKNOWN]: Like how vast is vision's connection to other systems AI systems?
01:11:42 --> 01:11:47 [UNKNOWN]: Is it only the AI that's stuck created or is it just AI?
01:11:48 --> 01:11:50 [UNKNOWN]: Can other AI come by and say hi?
01:11:51 --> 01:11:51 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:52 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:11:54 --> 01:11:57 [UNKNOWN]: But to who, okay, who do we have living in his head?
01:11:57 --> 01:11:59 [UNKNOWN]: What AI are already in there?
01:11:59 --> 01:12:00 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:03 [UNKNOWN]: Do we know Ultron is there?
01:12:03 --> 01:12:04 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:05 [UNKNOWN]: Apparently he's taken up painting.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think Spade is going to be dreaming this role.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:14 [UNKNOWN]: That is as an aside, I just get the little clips that I've seen.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:14 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:17 [UNKNOWN]: And it's interesting.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:22 [UNKNOWN]: So he's connected to the internet and the question is, does he have a better understanding of humanity than vision?
01:12:22 --> 01:12:24 [UNKNOWN]: I expect some great conversations between him and vision.
01:12:25 --> 01:12:25 [UNKNOWN]: Um.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:37 [UNKNOWN]: I, Spader said in an interview that he said all Trump both loves and hates vision, they have a sort of father-son therapist psychopath relationships.
01:12:39 --> 01:12:43 [UNKNOWN]: which is true, but actually this is actually true.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:45 [UNKNOWN]: This is actually true.
01:12:45 --> 01:12:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, this is actually true.
01:12:47 --> 01:13:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, yes, we also have Jarvis, which is Tony's first AI in human form is James Darcy who plays the character and Jarvis looks like Tony Stuck's father who we see in his
01:13:08 --> 01:13:25 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, you brought up Agent Carter and in Agent Carter, which is another one that's like, I think, I think that they would just accept Agent Carter as officially being canon, because it's about what happened with Peggy after Steve, you know, disappeared into the ice.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:28 [UNKNOWN]: It's, see, original Captain America.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:31 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was though, it's not.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's technically it's in the same bucket as agents of shield, where it had a transfer version of the agents of shield.
01:13:37 --> 01:13:44 [UNKNOWN]: So it's technically, but I think agents of shield is a more complicated one, but agent Carter, like there's nothing that contradicts anything in the M's.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:48 [UNKNOWN]: And they use the same cast like Jarvis here.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's that is.
01:13:51 --> 01:14:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Jarvis was Howard Stark's butler and then so Tony would have known an older version of him when Tony was killed and he named his first AI after him.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so end of mind, space, end of mind, escape, um, this job is is working on AI security, housekeeping, encryption, and all of these other things.
01:14:18 --> 01:14:24 [UNKNOWN]: So doing butler things, and, and for white visions,
01:14:34 --> 01:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: uh... we also have uh... de costa uh... was played by tina uh... miller tenea excuse me tenea miller um... and
01:14:46 --> 01:14:57 [UNKNOWN]: Dekos is being built as an android who's out for vengeance, but also has a really, really rich history in Marvel Comics built by Ultron to be his mate.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:10 [UNKNOWN]: Hank, him transfers his wife, Janet Van Dines, essence, she had died into the android to bring Dekos to life.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I said is comics, so relax and enjoy it, um, it'll be different.
01:15:18 --> 01:15:24 [UNKNOWN]: So sure, but yeah, yeah, I'm sure it'll be different, and then um, it's not Michelle Fifters mind in her.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:31 [UNKNOWN]: Jakastah broke, Jakastah broke the programming, um, became an Avenger in waiting.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:36 [UNKNOWN]: She was never officially an Avenger, but always for by their side.
01:15:38 --> 01:15:45 [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of romance with other Androids and other human characters in the comics for Jakosta.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:51 [UNKNOWN]: So it remains to be seen what role she'll play and that's TV show.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: But I love Tenia Miller, shout out to the peripheral of a show, cruelly robbed of its second season, that's for some reason.
01:15:59 --> 01:16:01 [UNKNOWN]: She's been on a lot of stuff I've seen for some reason.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:03 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I think of first.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:07 [UNKNOWN]: So I, she's badass, and I think a good casting for Jacosta.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:10 [UNKNOWN]: And we'll see if she has a romance with white vision.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, this white, this white relationship is going to be epic.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'm telling y'all that right now, I'm going to run this into the devil.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: It likes his Android's of color.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:33 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:58 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, we have Edith, which is the AI that Tony stuck created, who we last see in Spider-Man from Home with Peter Parker, now being played by Emily Hemshire from Shits Creek.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:01 [UNKNOWN]: Are you, that's Steve, are you a Shits Creek fan?
01:17:02 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: I have watched this sporadically, I have never completed the entire thing, but even an entire season.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:09 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:16 [UNKNOWN]: Apparently, she's also in the 12 Monkeys show, so I, you know, I think that the show run abroad in some of his favorites.
01:17:16 --> 01:17:22 [UNKNOWN]: And if this is the caliber that we're dealing with, I'm happy, she's fantastic and she's great.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:34 [UNKNOWN]: Edith Randa augmented reality security and defense system and now has been apparently reprogrammed for fun.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:35 [UNKNOWN]: What does that mean?
01:17:35 --> 01:17:37 [UNKNOWN]: Why division?
01:17:37 --> 01:17:40 [UNKNOWN]: What does that mean?
01:17:40 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: Same shift.
01:17:44 --> 01:17:53 [UNKNOWN]: Even if there's not a recreational AI, a game-based therapy and has a weaponry mastery in the mind space because that's fun.
01:17:54 --> 01:18:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wonder if maybe the 10 ring something is some program that she runs into a training program or something.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:04 [UNKNOWN]: And it means to be seen.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:09 [UNKNOWN]: Then we have dummy, D-U-M-E dummy.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:16 [UNKNOWN]: These are robots assistants that Tony Stark created to help him in his workspace.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:23 [UNKNOWN]: But they are in the mind scape, and they said to have to handle the general maintenance and the AI.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:31 [UNKNOWN]: What that means, maybe they're the janitors of the AI, I don't know, custodians who know what they do.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:43 [UNKNOWN]: Dummy is also responsible for fire suppression, the DUNM, and while the U who is a mute acts as a videographer.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:46 [UNKNOWN]: They're like twins who are really in sync.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:49 [UNKNOWN]: And both characters want to show the other AI's in the mind-scape that they are equal and able to mix and with them.
01:18:49 --> 01:19:01 [UNKNOWN]: If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if
01:19:10 --> 01:19:23 [UNKNOWN]: And then I am, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
01:19:24 --> 01:19:32 [UNKNOWN]: in the mind space, Friday assists vision with socialization issues, AI humor and tactical operations.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:48 [UNKNOWN]: We expect it to explore as Tony stalks death in the film and game from Friday's perspective, because if you guys remember, Friday was part of Tony stalks armor, Iron Man's armor,
01:19:53 --> 01:20:00 [UNKNOWN]: Natalya said that the character was unable to protect the one person she had been programmed to protect.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:04 [UNKNOWN]: So what does that do to Friday to have witness Tony Stocks passing?
01:20:05 --> 01:20:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel the guilt for it.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:08 [UNKNOWN]: That may be explored.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:18 [UNKNOWN]: And then in the movies, it was played Friday was played by Kerry Condon and here is being played by
01:20:20 --> 01:20:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we interesting, I'm very curious to see Friday and eat it because it sounds like they've been given personalities.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:35 [UNKNOWN]: I sounds like altogether this whole mind space of characters.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, even, you know, we know vision and Tommy are apparently probably going off somewhere or something like that.
01:20:42 --> 01:20:43 [UNKNOWN]: I assume that's something that's going to be established quickly.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:44 [UNKNOWN]: It's part of
01:20:47 --> 01:20:51 [UNKNOWN]: He's taking all these with them, wherever he goes, all of these characters are with him.
01:20:51 --> 01:20:57 [UNKNOWN]: So, I love the dynamics of a quirky group of characters and the seems like it's going to be fun.
01:20:59 --> 01:20:59 [UNKNOWN]: Lucy, we'll see.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:03 [UNKNOWN]: Who else are we supposed to see?
01:21:03 --> 01:21:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so there's some new characters, presumably on the human side, there's a character called Paladin that's Todd Stashwick.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not familiar with this character from the comics, are you?
01:21:31 --> 01:21:34 [UNKNOWN]: But Paul Denny is a human name, or Paul Denny's.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:34 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
01:21:35 --> 01:21:39 [UNKNOWN]: Originally, I think Daredevil original.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:46 [UNKNOWN]: And not particularly like, like, less solely like a villain, but like a mercenary type type of thing.
01:21:47 --> 01:21:49 [UNKNOWN]: Secret operative type of person.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: That's all.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:21:52 --> 01:22:18 [UNKNOWN]: So apparently in the show, Paladin is hunting vision, morally ambiguous character, and works with someone called the handler, which we don't know much about the handler other than she's working with Paladin, but she's played the handler, it's played by Diane Morgan, who's best known to, I haven't watched any of this stuff, but I constantly hear people talking about Filomena Conk, so it's the actress who plays Conk.
01:22:19 --> 01:22:20 [UNKNOWN]: I don't do watch it.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:20 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:21 [UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched it.
01:22:21 --> 01:22:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't watched it either, but I know I've heard it.
01:22:26 --> 01:22:27 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe some good comedy from her too.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:30 [UNKNOWN]: I think it might be a fun show in that regard.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:43 [UNKNOWN]: And then I'm one of the characters I'm most intrigued by is Lisa Molinari, play by Lauren Morey, who in the comics is a character known as Code of Arms.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:54 [UNKNOWN]: And in the comics, she wears something called Tiboro's Code, which basically gives her four, like she can sprout four extra arms from it and also fly and use them to fight and do things.
01:22:56 --> 01:23:05 [UNKNOWN]: she is in we saw her a flash of her in the promo materials with it looks like she has some sort of cyborg arms that she is.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I like like yeah.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:11 [UNKNOWN]: So it's slightly different, but I'm interested in cheese.
01:23:12 --> 01:23:19 [UNKNOWN]: In the comics, and it sounds like in the show as well, she and Tommy have a shared background in Juvie in the comics.
01:23:20 --> 01:23:31 [UNKNOWN]: And there's like a sort of will-day or won't-day, but they're both like Tommy aligns more, the Avengers and she aligns more with more A villainous team called the Young Masters.
01:23:31 --> 01:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: Masters of Evil!
01:23:37 --> 01:23:40 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm I'm very curious about that that they're establishing.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if she's I hope they don't just like They're like hey comics fans here you go now.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:57 [UNKNOWN]: She's dead, you know, I hope she I have they go deeper with her than they did in the comics rather than vice versa
01:24:00 --> 01:24:27 [UNKNOWN]: uh... we've got christian livin as a mercenary uh... we'll see what that's about uh... we've got this one's intriguing merry mick Donald in an undisclosed role and i saw there was a photo shared on uh... twitter from a leaker that showed her being confronted by altron and to me she looks like a politician in this photo she's wearing a suit but it maybe is just because i'm battle star galactic appealed where she played the president
01:24:29 --> 01:24:34 [UNKNOWN]: But that's a big casting, so I assume that is going to be some sort of significant role.
01:24:34 --> 01:24:42 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right, it won't be something, you know, like, see you, see you on TV again, bye, can't be that.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:48 [UNKNOWN]: And then there's one other interesting character that I is big part of Vision's backstory in the comics.
01:24:49 --> 01:24:55 [UNKNOWN]: I thought the MCU was going to ignore him in that regard, but it seems like he might be showing up here.
01:24:55 --> 01:25:01 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to talk about Jim Hanman, aka the Human Torch, the original Human Torch?
01:25:02 --> 01:25:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was um.
01:25:05 --> 01:25:24 [UNKNOWN]: one of the first Marvel comic heroes very first yeah wasn't it like him captain america and name yeah and name war um so is a ad drawing who was created by uh professor horton phineas horton um
01:25:26 --> 01:25:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he can mimic, he can do everything that a human could do, but he had these things like these cells that were extremely combustible.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:41 [UNKNOWN]: Horton cells here.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:42 [UNKNOWN]: There you go.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: And then he could, he would burst into flame once he hit the air.
01:25:49 --> 01:25:52 [UNKNOWN]: But it never burned the android body.
01:25:53 --> 01:25:56 [UNKNOWN]: It just was like human torch.
01:25:56 --> 01:25:57 [UNKNOWN]: That's what they call them.
01:25:57 --> 01:26:06 [UNKNOWN]: So he has a history in the comics, you know, running around with Captain America doing what we're, um, two, um, name or doing what we're, two, we fight some portions.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:13 [UNKNOWN]: He does all type of superhero, um, situations and the first age of comic books.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he's, his division has his really complicated backstory in the comics, especially because they keep recounting it over the decades.
01:26:24 --> 01:26:39 [UNKNOWN]: But at first, it was believed that the human, this original human torture is not to be confused with the fantastic four human torch, although that's constantly referenced in the comics, like we're not the same, that guy.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:42 [UNKNOWN]: And so I wonder if they'll make jokes here probably, but anyway,
01:26:44 --> 01:26:57 [UNKNOWN]: he died and then they thought that his body was reprogrammed in division's body but then it turns out that it is actually some another body based on his body but anyway let's just skip all that
01:26:59 --> 01:27:01 [UNKNOWN]: Notice, notice that I did not go into that.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:13 [UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you somecomings if you want to know all this, but it justifies it to say he is an important part of the in the comics and important part of the core of who vision is.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:17 [UNKNOWN]: And he comes back from the dead by the way, so he's a lot now because comics.
01:27:29 --> 01:27:30 [UNKNOWN]: for coming maximum.
01:27:32 --> 01:27:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we did get a reference to him in the theme park, at least they mentioned a synthetic man named by Pheneas Thomas Horton, so I don't know if they'll call him synthetic man here, but there's an image of someone who's on fire like the human
01:27:54 --> 01:28:02 [UNKNOWN]: I, that's one of the things I'm actually most curious about, but I'm like, that's random and also makes sense and how are you going to use that all of a sudden?
01:28:04 --> 01:28:05 [UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
01:28:06 --> 01:28:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, what, how do you think this show will connect with, what's already happened beyond what we've said?
01:28:15 --> 01:28:15 [UNKNOWN]: Who?
01:28:18 --> 01:28:21 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we know they're deal with Tony Stark's death.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:39 [UNKNOWN]: And we know that they're going to have to deal with vision, white vision, and what happened with the hex, and what happened with Wanda, post everything that happened in, you know, multiverse of madness, where's Wanda?
01:28:40 --> 01:28:49 [UNKNOWN]: They have to give us something about that, you know, about her existence in the world, or where she might be, where she might have gone.
01:28:52 --> 01:28:57 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, Agatha and Billy have to show up in this show.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:07 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it would directly tie in to Doomsday, pardon me things that it will.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:17 [UNKNOWN]: Because of what they've given us about Doomsday is about, you know, apparently Victor Vardon, Dr. Doomsday.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:23 [UNKNOWN]: dealing with stolen lives, like people who shouldn't exist.
01:29:25 --> 01:29:32 [UNKNOWN]: And this shows about people who didn't really exist and now are existing in the world.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:50 [UNKNOWN]: Hocked Dr. Doom, not paid attention to the goings on, going on, and Westview, and what happened after that, what happened with Agatha and Billy, and what's happening with Tommy and what you vision.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:51 [UNKNOWN]: And so...
01:29:52 --> 01:29:56 [UNKNOWN]: Part of me thinks that there has to be a connection to do them stay secret wise in this show.
01:29:58 --> 01:30:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I just, I'm, you know, like you were saying in the lanterns or out of the speculation game, I'm like, I'm out of the connections, getting my hopes out of the connections.
01:30:09 --> 01:30:11 [UNKNOWN]: These are the aspirations, these were musings.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's talking about it.
01:30:13 --> 01:30:14 [UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, come on.
01:30:14 --> 01:30:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, by the means like in the past, I'm like, oh, this is all gonna connect, and then it doesn't.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:21 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, all right, I need to,
01:30:22 --> 01:30:24 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I love that for my own heart.
01:30:25 --> 01:30:27 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I just, I do think they have to, obviously.
01:30:27 --> 01:30:34 [UNKNOWN]: Like, Wanda and Vision were original Avengers and they have to at least address this in secret wars.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:48 [UNKNOWN]: But they've also given me, I don't know, just like, I'm feeling down about the direction that Marvel might be going and whether they want to kill the characters that I think are most interesting.
01:30:48 --> 01:30:49 [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder what's,
01:30:51 --> 01:31:02 [UNKNOWN]: going to happen with that, but indeed, if they were going to tie into comics stuff, then Mar, yeah, then it would make sense to tie Wanda and do.
01:31:04 --> 01:31:05 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:05 [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:07 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:31:07 --> 01:31:09 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to take one last commercial break when we come back.
01:31:09 --> 01:31:12 [UNKNOWN]: We will talk about the comics corner.
01:31:13 --> 01:31:18 [UNKNOWN]: We'll give you some recaps and recommendations and comparisons of what's happened and what might be coming in them.
01:31:36 --> 01:31:40 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so let's give some comic recommendations.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: This is one of my favorite corners of the comics, but I know that you have probably read most of these yourself as well.
01:31:51 --> 01:32:02 [UNKNOWN]: The first one is, so just before we get into comics that we'll influence the show, just some comics that set up the background of the show that are adapted into the last two shows.
01:32:04 --> 01:32:16 [UNKNOWN]: I've mentioned this before, but Vision and the Scarlet Witch volume two released, it's 12 issues released in 85 and 86, and this was like the happy couple days of Vision and the
01:32:21 --> 01:32:25 [UNKNOWN]: And they were in love, and they had miraculous miracle babies.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:27 [UNKNOWN]: Their love is creepy.
01:32:29 --> 01:32:30 [UNKNOWN]: Their love is real, okay?
01:32:31 --> 01:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: Don't be synthesised.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:34 [UNKNOWN]: You sound like Quicksilver.
01:32:38 --> 01:32:41 [UNKNOWN]: But for those of us who celebrate love,
01:32:44 --> 01:32:59 [UNKNOWN]: This is sort of the peak of the love story, and it also has a lot about Wonderman in his connection with vision and also Wonderman's brother who you met in the Wonderman TV show which should be getting a second season Gosh
01:33:01 --> 01:33:15 [UNKNOWN]: And then at the next most significant chronologically in the back story is actually the comic story called Vision Quest, which yes, it's the name of a show, but we've pretty much seen all of this stuff play out on screen for a while right over it.
01:33:16 --> 01:33:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:33:17 --> 01:33:32 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you want to tell us, vision quest is it's a, it's a sub series within the west coast of Avengers volume two and it's specifically considered to be numbers 42 issues 42 through 52 so about 10 issues.
01:33:36 --> 01:33:41 [UNKNOWN]: Woody, what are you, you're not a fan of this run, you said, or you think of it?
01:33:42 --> 01:33:48 [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not a fan of this run, but I've always, I just always found the relationship
01:33:54 --> 01:33:55 [UNKNOWN]: That's all.
01:33:56 --> 01:34:10 [UNKNOWN]: The comics, they're, they're, they're well written, you know, like for the time period, especially because there's some really cringe comics that that exists in that time period.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:18 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and when I say cringe, I'm specifically talking about relationships, like the some really cringe.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'm shit that goes on in the 80s and 90s with and comic book writing.
01:34:25 --> 01:34:39 [UNKNOWN]: So, but I will say that there is a care that is taken with these comics, um, and, you know, and I've often, I've often wondered if it's because vision is not considered
01:34:42 --> 01:35:00 [UNKNOWN]: if that I don't I mean want to consider him a real person and in the way in the way no no but in in the way that he's an android so they can write the android differently then they would write a flesh and blood person.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:04 [UNKNOWN]: I've always wondered if that played a role
01:35:10 --> 01:35:15 [UNKNOWN]: in opposition to the flesh and blood characters of that time period.
01:35:16 --> 01:35:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:35:17 --> 01:35:28 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, I think even within this vision questing, there are also romances like there's rocky roads going on between, for instance, a Hawkeye Muckingbird.
01:35:29 --> 01:35:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, this.
01:35:32 --> 01:35:32 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
01:35:33 --> 01:35:33 [UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
01:35:33 --> 01:35:34 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
01:35:34 --> 01:35:35 [UNKNOWN]: And Jen, around time.
01:35:36 --> 01:35:40 [UNKNOWN]: And I think, yeah, that there's something more interesting going on with Wanda and Vision here.
01:35:40 --> 01:35:48 [UNKNOWN]: And so I will, by the way, I'll link these in the show notes, so you don't have to remember which issues and stuff, everything is if you want to read more.
01:35:48 --> 01:35:52 [UNKNOWN]: But this is, yeah, the Vision Quest, West Coast Avengers, you...
01:35:53 --> 01:36:06 [UNKNOWN]: This is where you will learn like a get a recap up to that point of Vision's whole confusing comics creation story, including that human torch stuff that I was alluding to, who does actually show up in this series too, who's back from the dead.
01:36:08 --> 01:36:17 [UNKNOWN]: And this is where Vision, the government thinks he's a threat because he like hacked into some government databases and
01:36:23 --> 01:36:29 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and they disassemble him and that's where I said you see that panel of him want to seize him disassembled.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, they get the vendors get his parts back and Hank Pim is able to put him back together.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:41 [UNKNOWN]: And this is when he becomes white vision in the comics, but again, he's lost his emotions and his memories.
01:36:41 --> 01:36:47 [UNKNOWN]: And so he does pretty soon get his memories back, but he's like, I remember that Wanda is my wife.
01:36:47 --> 01:36:53 [UNKNOWN]: I do not feel the things that I felt for her because I do not feel emotions anymore at all.
01:36:55 --> 01:36:59 [UNKNOWN]: And meanwhile, I'm one that's dealing with this and also
01:37:00 --> 01:37:24 [UNKNOWN]: Um, her kids that they had together, like, people start noticing that they disappear sometimes and Agatha figures out it's when whenever one does not actively thinking about them because they are in some way constructs of her will of her mind with the things out slices of Mifisto soul and that's a whole other thing you can learn about in this comics also and that's just a really complicated but funny, um,
01:37:25 --> 01:37:32 [UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, and there's this other character, Pandemonium, involved, if he shows up for some reason in the show, we'll talk about it.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:37 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, but the kids evaporate, like in WandaVision, is the conclusion.
01:37:37 --> 01:37:41 [UNKNOWN]: As they are gone, Wush, gone into the ethos at the end.
01:37:42 --> 01:37:47 [UNKNOWN]: And Agatha decides, the best thing for Wanda would be to just forget they ever existed.
01:37:47 --> 01:37:48 [UNKNOWN]: But guess what?
01:37:49 --> 01:37:52 [UNKNOWN]: This does not turn out to be good for Wanda's long-term mental health.
01:37:54 --> 01:38:18 [UNKNOWN]: uh... but this is a and at the end of this run white vision goes back to the east coast of andres want a stays at the west coast of andres and they their marriage is over but on the plus side you get to meet the great lakes of andres who are and i do stand in the front uh... that's what it is they're not going to do birth um... i don't think so
01:38:20 --> 01:38:30 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to talk about to the next significant part in this story, and this was kind of in large part, a basis of WandaVision is the House of M run of eight issues from 2005.
01:38:30 --> 01:38:32 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to talk about that?
01:38:32 --> 01:38:41 [UNKNOWN]: Again, one of the best Marvel comic stories, I think, of the House of M. So basically Wanda,
01:38:44 --> 01:38:55 [UNKNOWN]: is manipulated by her father, Magneto, after the realization that her children never existed, and she snaps.
01:38:56 --> 01:38:57 [UNKNOWN]: This is the snap.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:00 [UNKNOWN]: The wonder mental snap, yes.
01:39:00 --> 01:39:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is the snap.
01:39:02 --> 01:39:06 [UNKNOWN]: And she says, no more mutants.
01:39:06 --> 01:39:10 [UNKNOWN]: And with that word, her chaos magic wipes out
01:39:13 --> 01:39:23 [UNKNOWN]: 93% of Newton's worldwide and it restakes reality around that.
01:39:24 --> 01:39:33 [UNKNOWN]: So, mutants are now the dominant species on earth and in this story
01:39:35 --> 01:39:52 [UNKNOWN]: Magneto has convinced Wanda to use her magic to make that a reality, to make his dreams a reality, his dreams of Newton's superiority, and it takes stuff eight issues for those who remember what the...
01:39:53 --> 01:40:20 [UNKNOWN]: universe truly was like to break the spell and when they break the spell one that says no more mutants and when they come back into our reality into their reality most of mutants have lost their powers and they are truly a small percentage of persecuted people because now
01:40:22 --> 01:40:31 [UNKNOWN]: Wanda having done so has shown what mutants are capable and it just runs away with what happens in the X-Men stories afterwards.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:34 [UNKNOWN]: So this was a really important moment in the comics.
01:40:35 --> 01:40:43 [UNKNOWN]: To one show who might want us capable of to two show what magneto is capable of manipulating
01:40:51 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: the one thing that he's always wanted to happen to make her do that, and three, the aftermath of that, on Mutin' and Marvel Comics.
01:41:04 --> 01:41:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she, you know, I said it's the inspiration for one of vision, this fake reality.
01:41:09 --> 01:41:23 [UNKNOWN]: She also had like, she had resurrected versions of her son and sons, um, and so indeed, it always, it's all about that, about her, she almost didn't, she almost have it all, you know.
01:41:23 --> 01:41:27 [UNKNOWN]: She almost didn't, and it wasn't like it was real, it was real.
01:41:33 --> 01:41:39 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then you have the other background for the previous shows thing that I'll recommend.
01:41:39 --> 01:42:00 [UNKNOWN]: It's admittedly unlikely to really have any role in this show is more mostly the inspiration for Agatha all along, but there's Scarlet Witch Volume 2 released in 2016 and 2017, known as The Witches Road, 15 issues, uh, and it's features Ghost Agatha, who had been killed by a vengeful
01:42:02 --> 01:42:05 [UNKNOWN]: and a repentant Wanda on the road to redemption together.
01:42:05 --> 01:42:10 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll just say Ghost I get the dust get resurrected at some points, and I would not be surprised at that happen in them, so you as well.
01:42:11 --> 01:42:18 [UNKNOWN]: But this Scarlet Witch volume two has like each issue is done by different artists, and it's so cool.
01:42:18 --> 01:42:19 [UNKNOWN]: It's one of gorgeous.
01:42:19 --> 01:42:19 [UNKNOWN]: Come here.
01:42:19 --> 01:42:20 [UNKNOWN]: Run in general.
01:42:21 --> 01:42:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:42:22 --> 01:42:37 [UNKNOWN]: But as far as stories that might be the inspiration for this season, jumping back a bit to, so after vision quest, the next major vision story we get is vision volume one released in 94 and 95, only four issues.
01:42:37 --> 01:42:39 [UNKNOWN]: So it's a quick read.
01:42:39 --> 01:42:43 [UNKNOWN]: It does have some of that like 80s, 90s problems you're saying.
01:42:43 --> 01:42:49 [UNKNOWN]: Like I noticed that no female characters allow to stand unless she is projecting both her breasts and butt.
01:42:50 --> 01:42:58 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's like all these women's backs are telling them that I'm telling them there's some friendship corner.
01:42:59 --> 01:43:05 [UNKNOWN]: But it is interesting for this show because it is it's a quick read and it's all about
01:43:06 --> 01:43:31 [UNKNOWN]: Ultron, Chocosta, and Vision, all androids who will appear in this show in this comic, they have their minds messed with, and they have to figure out who they are again, and this is kind of basically personality reset for Ultron and Chocosta, particularly, and this vision is coping with the fact that he's starting to feel emotions again, and emotions also include bad emotions, and it's upsetting.
01:43:32 --> 01:43:35 [UNKNOWN]: So I could see them drawing inspiration from that.
01:43:36 --> 01:43:41 [UNKNOWN]: It turns out what's happened is there's anti-vision, won't get into it.
01:43:41 --> 01:43:43 [UNKNOWN]: It's if it visions evil twin.
01:43:45 --> 01:43:47 [UNKNOWN]: He's decided, he wants visions body.
01:43:48 --> 01:43:50 [UNKNOWN]: So he wants to erase visions programming.
01:43:50 --> 01:43:56 [UNKNOWN]: So he's laid a honey trap in visions code that looks like dreams of Wanda and her children.
01:43:56 --> 01:43:59 [UNKNOWN]: So he's also finding for this family days.
01:44:01 --> 01:44:09 [UNKNOWN]: He, with the help of some friends, the Avengers, manages to avoid doing that, manages to defeat vision.
01:44:09 --> 01:44:18 [UNKNOWN]: But what I noticed is the showrunner, Terry Matelas, said that this TV series, and this TV series, vision is a blank slate.
01:44:20 --> 01:44:25 [UNKNOWN]: And if you say this to someone who reads classical literature,
01:44:28 --> 01:44:35 [UNKNOWN]: which in this comics run is the helper of anti-visions.
01:44:35 --> 01:44:45 [UNKNOWN]: I hope that's not a clue that there's going to be some sort of honey trap that's set for vision to delete his code or something again.
01:44:46 --> 01:44:50 [UNKNOWN]: But I said, it was Lucy.
01:44:51 --> 01:44:53 [UNKNOWN]: I can't imagine that they would do that.
01:44:53 --> 01:44:54 [UNKNOWN]: I really
01:44:55 --> 01:44:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm probably not.
01:44:57 --> 01:45:01 [UNKNOWN]: You're just like, I'm sure Blank Slates just a thing that you say, but I'm like, tap your little raza.
01:45:02 --> 01:45:08 [UNKNOWN]: And then that run ends with vision going off alone to rediscover himself.
01:45:09 --> 01:45:17 [UNKNOWN]: And then the next, in 2016 is when vision volume two comes out, written by Tom King, one of the all-time best.
01:45:17 --> 01:45:20 [UNKNOWN]: Jean, I know this is a particular favorite of yours in your sons, I think.
01:45:21 --> 01:45:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, mine, he hasn't read this 16.
01:45:25 --> 01:45:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, no, there's no worries.
01:45:28 --> 01:45:32 [UNKNOWN]: He hasn't read this yet, but this was a great story.
01:45:32 --> 01:45:41 [UNKNOWN]: And I think, again, having vision, you know, try to live a normal life, whatever normal is, right?
01:45:42 --> 01:45:46 [UNKNOWN]: No, he has his children in this story, but they're not.
01:45:48 --> 01:45:49 [UNKNOWN]: Not Tommy and Billy.
01:45:50 --> 01:45:50 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:45:50 --> 01:45:51 [UNKNOWN]: And not Tommy and Billy.
01:45:51 --> 01:45:52 [UNKNOWN]: They're not human.
01:45:52 --> 01:45:53 [UNKNOWN]: They are Android.
01:45:53 --> 01:45:56 [UNKNOWN]: And what a little more.
01:45:57 --> 01:46:02 [UNKNOWN]: Then, then, and one of the most interesting characters is Viv the Vision.
01:46:03 --> 01:46:06 [UNKNOWN]: Who I hope we get to see some at some point.
01:46:07 --> 01:46:15 [UNKNOWN]: Because she is an awesome, was just a delightful, awesome character on her own.
01:46:16 --> 01:46:23 [UNKNOWN]: But you get to see vision and grapple with family and what it means to him.
01:46:24 --> 01:46:28 [UNKNOWN]: Because we've always seen it through wonders.
01:46:29 --> 01:46:35 [UNKNOWN]: I think, and this was the first attempt to encapsulate what vision
01:46:36 --> 01:46:48 [UNKNOWN]: vision of family is, and the writing is really pointed in this, and I think it's world with worth the read even without the show.
01:46:49 --> 01:47:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's, this is superlative writing, you know, like you're saying vision quest that run is good for it's era and and I'll say, you know, I said it introduced iconic characters and things like that, but vision volume two, the Tom King edition from 2016 is just good period just good, like even if you're not into comics, it's I think it's worth reading.
01:47:16 --> 01:47:37 [UNKNOWN]: And I think, you know, this is what sometimes frustrates me with what we see on TV because on screen, because in the writing, there are comics that are being produced that are being written and drawn that tell really good character stories.
01:47:38 --> 01:47:52 [UNKNOWN]: So we don't always have the bombastic flashy pages of action that people seem to want to associate with comic book stories within the MCU and the DCU.
01:47:53 --> 01:48:03 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that needs to be said because not every comic book that you will pick up will be just about the flash pages
01:48:08 --> 01:48:12 [UNKNOWN]: Bang, pals, and all of that stuff.
01:48:13 --> 01:48:21 [UNKNOWN]: There are other stories told with these same characters that have nothing to do with their extraordinary powers.
01:48:22 --> 01:48:23 [UNKNOWN]: And they're really well done.
01:48:24 --> 01:48:29 [UNKNOWN]: And I think if we get to see those on screen, that should be celebrated as well, because
01:48:30 --> 01:48:33 [UNKNOWN]: you know, those stories are out there.
01:48:33 --> 01:48:36 [UNKNOWN]: And there is precedent for them to be shown.
01:48:37 --> 01:48:40 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's my soapbox message for today.
01:48:41 --> 01:48:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:41 --> 01:48:45 [UNKNOWN]: So again, I'll have all these listed in the show notes.
01:48:45 --> 01:48:47 [UNKNOWN]: It's vision volume to 12 issues.
01:48:47 --> 01:48:53 [UNKNOWN]: And the role I think it'll play here is I don't think we'll necessarily get like Virginia and the wife he creates.
01:48:53 --> 01:48:55 [UNKNOWN]: And then I hope we do get
01:48:56 --> 01:49:07 [UNKNOWN]: But I think what we are seeing in this show is that Vision has created his own family and his head for himself, and that's his way of like Wanda wanted to play house and Wanda Vision.
01:49:07 --> 01:49:16 [UNKNOWN]: This is his way of playing house and trying to, you know, reclaim that nearly just having a normal happy life, you know.
01:49:18 --> 01:49:28 [UNKNOWN]: And then some places the whole Tommy aspect of the I think is probably I'm going to say comfortably is probably going hopefully going.
01:49:29 --> 01:49:35 [UNKNOWN]: So two more comics runs I'll recommend in that regard one is just the introduction of.
01:49:35 --> 01:49:38 [UNKNOWN]: We've referred to them before, known as the Young Avengers.
01:49:38 --> 01:49:40 [UNKNOWN]: Young Avengers volume one.
01:49:40 --> 01:49:43 [UNKNOWN]: So before vision volume two, even this is from 2005.
01:49:43 --> 01:49:49 [UNKNOWN]: So this is 12 issues released the same year as that house of M storyline where one that said no more mutants.
01:49:50 --> 01:50:00 [UNKNOWN]: While this is going on meanwhile, a reincarnated Billy and Tommy find each other or rather their found by Iron Lab.
01:50:00 --> 01:50:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's a whole other thing we talk about if it ever comes up.
01:50:04 --> 01:50:13 [UNKNOWN]: But he puts together this young Avengers team related to adult Avengers and they kind of figure out like, oh, we are reincarnated twins actually.
01:50:13 --> 01:50:16 [UNKNOWN]: And the team also include Tolkling.
01:50:16 --> 01:50:25 [UNKNOWN]: We mentioned before Kate Bishop, you know, from the MCU Patriot briefly introduced and then seemingly forgotten about after Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
01:50:25 --> 01:50:30 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, the boys learned who they are and then.
01:50:31 --> 01:50:36 [UNKNOWN]: Jumping ahead to what could be an important story leading into doomsday.
01:50:36 --> 01:50:47 [UNKNOWN]: The gentleman's kind of alluding to is something called the children's crusade, which is Avengers, the children's crusades, nine issues released in 2010 and 2011.
01:50:47 --> 01:50:55 [UNKNOWN]: There's also an additional Avengers, the children's crusades, young Avengers, one single issue again, all in the show notes because it's confusing.
01:50:55 --> 01:50:59 [UNKNOWN]: That was released in 2011, but chronologically is between four and five in the
01:51:01 --> 01:51:22 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and that is the one where the boys are like, all right, let's, first it's kicked off by this young Avengers presents volume one number three about wicking and speed in 2008 where they're like, let's go find our mom and then this series follows them finding one and getting her back from doom.
01:51:31 --> 01:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: you know, queue this up for doomsday.
01:51:33 --> 01:51:38 [UNKNOWN]: I hope that they do, but I don't know in the past if they release something this close to it, it doesn't connect.
01:51:40 --> 01:51:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just my wish that it was saying that it will.
01:51:44 --> 01:51:51 [UNKNOWN]: I'm home now, but yes, yes, just some using of mine that it will connect and we'll see.
01:51:51 --> 01:52:04 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it would make sense for it to do so, just because the nature of the story and of what they're trying to do and doomsday, as you say, it's right there or take it.
01:52:04 --> 01:52:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
01:52:06 --> 01:52:06 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:52:06 --> 01:52:08 [UNKNOWN]: And so we'll see, we'll see.
01:52:10 --> 01:52:20 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, um, any final thoughts on what's happened or what might happen with this whole wonder vision agatha side of the story?
01:52:21 --> 01:52:32 [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no final thoughts other than what they shared has got me really excited for what we're about to watch.
01:52:32 --> 01:52:40 [UNKNOWN]: And given what we've already seen this year in Wonderman and DCU's lanterns.
01:52:42 --> 01:53:00 [UNKNOWN]: parts of their devil that I truly enjoyed, the parts of the Punisher that I truly enjoyed, super girl that I truly enjoyed, I am really, really hoping that they can hold this off.
01:53:01 --> 01:53:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:53:03 --> 01:53:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I think that this is, I'm really excited for this show.
01:53:07 --> 01:53:12 [UNKNOWN]: This is going to be, I think, the end of an era and taking it out and style everything we've seen so far.
01:53:12 --> 01:53:22 [UNKNOWN]: Looks good, it's coming right on the heels of lanterns where we are still going to do a season wrap with you, David, and my.
01:53:22 --> 01:53:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, I think this week coming.
01:53:25 --> 01:53:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:53:26 --> 01:53:27 [UNKNOWN]: Coming week, yeah.
01:53:27 --> 01:53:29 [UNKNOWN]: So we're figure out the days, but this week coming.
01:53:30 --> 01:53:35 [UNKNOWN]: And then the week after that on the DC side, the Clayface movie releases on the 133rd.
01:53:36 --> 01:53:38 [UNKNOWN]: That looks like something.
01:53:39 --> 01:53:40 [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
01:53:40 --> 01:53:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, great.
01:53:41 --> 01:53:42 [UNKNOWN]: That's what we chose.
01:53:43 --> 01:53:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's gonna be crazy.
01:53:44 --> 01:53:48 [UNKNOWN]: So we'll do an episode, you're leading the episode on that one.
01:53:49 --> 01:53:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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01:54:46 --> 01:54:51 [UNKNOWN]: So dope, the coverage has been, that was amazing.
01:54:51 --> 01:54:52 [UNKNOWN]: You know, amazing.
01:54:53 --> 01:54:54 [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, well done.
01:54:55 --> 01:54:56 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
01:54:56 --> 01:55:05 [UNKNOWN]: We also have Dungeons & Do Rags wrapping up their lanterns, warning the agents I can't agree with what they said, what it was interesting to hear.
01:55:07 --> 01:55:11 [UNKNOWN]: You guys, I was much more in the same page as you and David in your opinion than lanterns.
01:55:14 --> 01:55:18 [UNKNOWN]: If we get together with those guys, I had Dungeons & Do Rags will.
01:55:19 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not trying to convince anyone, but it's what it is.
01:55:24 --> 01:55:33 [UNKNOWN]: Rings and rituals is also in the middle of their second season with their, they're doing basically a rewatch of the second season of rings of power.
01:55:33 --> 01:55:42 [UNKNOWN]: Gearing up to the new season starts in November, which will be covered in full on the lower hounds by the Tolkien experts on the channel.
01:55:42 --> 01:55:44 [UNKNOWN]: So not us, but we will be listening.
01:55:45 --> 01:55:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, we will.
01:55:46 --> 01:55:46 [UNKNOWN]: And watching.
01:55:47 --> 01:55:47 [UNKNOWN]: I'm watching.
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01:56:42 --> 01:56:45 [UNKNOWN]: haven't started the books yet, but I finally did.
01:56:46 --> 01:56:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you started the books.
01:56:47 --> 01:56:47 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
01:56:48 --> 01:56:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm falling along.
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02:00:06 --> 02:00:07 [UNKNOWN]: Jean, take us out.
02:00:07 --> 02:00:13 [UNKNOWN]: What is your message for, uh, for showrunner, Terry Matales?
02:00:14 --> 02:00:19 [UNKNOWN]: To Terry, Matava, I would just want to say, don't fuck up white vision.
02:00:21 --> 02:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: Don't you dare.
02:00:22 --> 02:00:23 [UNKNOWN]: You want him to find his power?
02:00:24 --> 02:00:27 [UNKNOWN]: Fuck up white vision.
02:00:28 --> 02:00:28 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
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