David, Jean, and Elysia discuss the first four episodes of Marvel's Wonder Man, exploring the show's unique approach to superhero storytelling through the lens of Hollywood industry satire. The conversation examines how the series balances meta-commentary on franchise fatigue with genuine character development, questioning whether its self-aware critique of Marvel's own practices serves the narrative or undermines it. They also analyze the show's tonal shifts, standout performances, and whether Wonder Man successfully carves out its own identity within the increasingly crowded MCU landscape.
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00:23 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Think to the dog babies.
00:26 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David.
00:26 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Alicia taking a break from lurking in movie theaters waiting to hear about auditions.
00:31 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm John the man who knows in the Haitian kitchen.
00:34 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We all in there.
00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
00:38 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_03]: where the lower hands and this is our coverage of Wonder Man episodes one through four.
00:42 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is gonna be part one.
00:44 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna start this off spoiler free for anybody who has not yet gotten in on this.
00:50 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, hey, what's the show?
00:51 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna talk about the first four episodes, but the first part of this before the first commercial break.
00:56 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_03]: is going to be all spoiler free so you can get what you need to know to get into the show because you need to get into the show.
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01:20 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to let everybody know today.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_03]: We have some contractors in the house.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: They're tearing out plaster in the room directly above me.
01:28 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And I have done what I can to minimize the noise.
01:31 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_03]: But if you guys hear some banging and crashing, everything is fine, I'll try to mute my microphone in between the times that I'm talking.
01:39 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's get into real quick what our coverage plans are for this episode.
01:44 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, we're going to do a two shot.
01:46 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do episodes five through eight to be determined schedule.
01:52 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I know Alicia, we were thinking about that just before we got on air.
01:55 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll have that lockdown soon, it's just busy weeks.
01:59 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see I got to take a look at the schedule and we're going to talk a little bit about the background of the character of Wonderman.
02:08 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So some things that will help you with the context.
02:12 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But there's this great thing about the shows you don't need a lot of that, but we're going to give it to you anyway, because we're the lower hands, we'll take a little break then we'll talk a little bit about the production background of the show because there's a lot of stuff that went on behind it and it's really interesting and then we're going to do episodes one through four and because we're playing catch up on a little bit of this.
02:31 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to play a little game called what three things.
02:33 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_03]: We each get to pick three things from an episode and we'll talk about those and that sort of just had the show is so rich and there's so many things to talk about but this is the way that we've sort of compromised since we're playing catch up on it.
02:47 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to do each episode as a little stand alone and put a little commercial break in between them.
02:53 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're playing catch up on it, I'll put the time codes in the show notes and that way subscribers.
02:58 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You'll be able to jump right to it and hopefully on the public feed because the ads change the length of the episode.
03:04 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So it skews the time codes, at least you'll be able to get close.
03:08 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_03]: and you can dip in on our conversations for each episode if you're playing catch up and take in this season a little bit slow.
03:19 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's talk a little bit about who Wonderman is and sort of what we need to know.
03:25 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Jean, Alicia, I don't know who wants to take the lead on this.
03:28 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Go for a show.
03:33 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll start before we get into Wonderman show we start with the character who's already been in the MCU Trevor and talk a little bit about where we've seen him before this real quick that sounds like a good idea
03:47 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So Ben Kingsley character Trevor Slattery, he was first introduced in Iron Man 3 where he played the Mandarin and then we found out that he was an actor named Trevor Slattery who was hired to play the Mandarin with that very excellent accent.
04:07 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was a Marvel one shot.
04:11 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They used to do the short films, which I miss, called One Shots.
04:14 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And this one, I think, honestly, personally, I think it might be the best of the bunch.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called All Hail the King.
04:20 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And it follows Trevor has now been arrested and put in jail for the whole terrorism thing.
04:26 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he's in there, someone from the real Mandarin as in Chongqing's father comes to the jail and under false pretenses, interviews him and then reveals that he breaks Trevor out in order to take him back to see the real Mandarin whom he who has threatened to kill him.
04:47 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But once Trevor meets the real Mandarin, we learn in Chongqing, he's so amused by Trevor that he turns Trevor into
04:56 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_02]: jester and that's where he stays until Shangchi and Katie go and meet him and bust him out of there.
05:03 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I suppose this is a good point for us to do a spoiler warning for Marvel properties, right?
05:09 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to spoil anything.
05:11 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to stay within each episode as we go along and we're definitely not going to do five feet right, but really all things that have been put on movie screens and television screens are on the table here.
05:23 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So
05:23 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're worried about getting spoiled for any other marble properties, maybe this is both of us for you.
05:29 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
05:29 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_03]: We just gotta lean into it.
05:31 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the newest way that I just quasi spoiled, not even really spoiled the main plot, was Shang Qi, which is already like what like seven years ago.
05:41 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
05:41 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We just gotta lean into it.
05:42 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just gotta lean into it.
05:43 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the only real overlap, I think, in this world.
05:46 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And then wonder, man's totally new.
05:48 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
05:48 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Them, see you.
05:49 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Joan, do you have some insights on the Wonderman card?
05:52 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I didn't know, I was like, Wonderman, what the hell is this?
05:56 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is this?
05:56 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And so you want to give us a brief background on the comic book?
05:59 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the comic book version is very different from what we're seeing on screen.
06:06 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some similarities, of course, family structure that they follow through on.
06:11 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
06:12 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: his backstory is not at all what we're getting into series.
06:16 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: In the comics he's the son of an industrialist takes over basically weapon makers there.
06:24 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're um
06:26 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: like a competitor that competitors to start.
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:31 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And start basically puts him out of business.
06:33 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: After one man Simon Williams, father's dice, he takes over the company, he starts put some out of business.
06:39 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He vows vengeance and he typically essentially, yeah, he essentially becomes
06:46 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Baron Zimo, people may be familiar with from the Captain America movies, he's the one who can dance.
06:56 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he comes to Simon and offers him a way to get vengeance on Stark and basically that's how he gets his powers in the more of a comics.
07:08 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: at that point he dies, saving the vendors, seeing the error of his ways.
07:14 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And when he's revived, there's always happens in the comic books.
07:18 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no funny melody to, you know, passing away.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll...
07:24 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: he actually becomes a member of the vendors and stand out superhero in the comics has a relationship with scholar, which has a very detailed background with vision, homes, homes people may be familiar with from the vision and one the series and also from some of the vendors movies as well.
07:44 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, he's a very long-standing character in law of comics has a rich history, rich background, most of that, from what I've seen in these first four episodes, has not carried through.
08:00 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you don't think in the character, right?
08:02 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you don't need to have known of Wonderman, Simon Williams, in order to step into this series.
08:10 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
08:10 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think what?
08:12 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_03]: lore bits that you do need to know they actually give it to you in the episodes and the scenes where it sort of becomes relevant and they bring you in on on Trevor's backstory quite well and it's really nice.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is a real standalone show.
08:33 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_03]: You can come into it without being connected to the to the wider universe.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Would
08:37 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Would you sort of agree with that?
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Alicia, do you want to add anything?
08:39 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is there other little context that might be helpful for us?
08:43 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they call this a Marvel spotlight, which this is the second show after Echo.
08:48 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And the cynical side of me says this is what they call shows that they made and when I went and dumped.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Only surprise.
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_02]: This one's popular.
08:58 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, one of the most popular ever possibly,
09:03 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a sleeper hip, but it's definitely a hit.
09:08 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's going on my, I think this is going to break my top 10 list for sure.
09:15 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is one that was people, there were certain rumor mongers who were like, oh, they've killed Wonder Man because it took years for them to release it.
09:25 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't kill it, I guess, because they produced the whole thing and everything.
09:32 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So they released it, but I don't know if they expected it to, I don't think they expected it to hit so hard.
09:39 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Although the optimistic side of me is like, maybe they've delayed it.
09:42 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So that they could bring Wonder Man back in vision quest or something else.
09:47 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not.
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I've learned.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a shared history.
09:51 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a shared history.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a vision.
09:53 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He thinks of them each other brothers say.
09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The comment.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:59 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
09:59 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will say.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely should go.
10:01 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, no.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to say this convoluted backstory.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, go ahead.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that when that first heard of the series, I was not excited for it.
10:10 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not until the summer, and at least I have spoken about this before.
10:16 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: When they started to do the promos, they had a Simon Williams, the character at Underred Carpet Screening.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the Emmys.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's four.
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: No, for the Fantastic Four, opening.
10:30 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's being interviewed, Yaya is being interviewed, as Simon Williams, the character.
10:35 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, nice.
10:37 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go and take it to watch the fair test before moving.
10:41 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Just a slight little bit of context for that.
10:43 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: This whole show is taking place in LA and our main character is an actor.
10:48 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's all of this sort of insider, you know, the studio kind of stuff, the player or things like that.
10:55 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So when they did that, I was like, oh.
10:59 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This is different.
11:02 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of fun, and that was really when I first started to get excited for the show because previously I was not.
11:12 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the subsequent months they released a lot of different little
11:38 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: outlines for everyone to be able to partake in that and just David and I think that got posted on our discord.
11:44 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't know one of my channel on discord, all of yeah, there's this they even released one this week.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They released another one.
11:51 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought maybe they were done now that the show was dropped, but now they're still going.
11:55 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think like they didn't give a waste of either.
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No, right, right.
12:00 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was a very different marketing campaign because I hear a lot of people saying they didn't market the show.
12:06 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: and in the traditional sense they did not, but they did a very different type of marketing that if you paid attention you can see that they were trying something with the way they were going to present the show and watching the show you can see why also they did it this way
12:36 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So what do you just roll into your hot takes your whole quick because that was sort of our next agenda item.
12:44 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So just pick, you know, just keep cooking from there.
12:47 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're out with the show.
12:50 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is going to be.
12:55 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, at the end of 2026 and my top five top three, maybe.
13:01 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm looking at the landscape of movies of shows that are coming out this year.
13:06 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited for a lot of things, but this has set the bar very high.
13:14 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Very high.
13:16 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm squarely looking at a DC property, that's also a buddy type of pairing.
13:25 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to invariably compare these two shows.
13:29 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: to see how they pulled them off.
13:31 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm talking about lanterns for the DC universe.
13:34 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
13:35 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So, is that a movie or show I apologize?
13:38 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a show.
13:39 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a show.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a show.
13:40 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought it was.
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So then this can be interesting show too.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be a different style of...
13:46 --> 13:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_03]: sort of bluffing me is very high.
13:49 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, another buddy, sort of.
13:51 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
13:52 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
13:52 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that really?
13:54 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_03]: We're getting a lot of duo things, too, because we're getting that a little bit in the seven kingdoms, as well, with sort of a buddy comedy going on.
14:01 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
14:03 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I do wish that the studio had the guts to believe in this project from the very beginning and committed to a weekly drop.
14:13 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of the binge, because I feel like the weekly drop would have benefited us, the viewers, the casters, just to be able to talk about the richness of each episode.
14:29 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would have given a lot more word of mouth, even though the show was going to tremendous amount of word of mouth, but the weekly drops would have, I think, would have helped.
14:38 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the studio just didn't believe in the show.
14:43 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they would have seen viewership grow week to week, which is what they look for.
14:48 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think the I.A.
14:51 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: and Sir Ben, they're just like perfectly matched as a pair could be screen.
14:58 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the synergy between the two of them is just incredible, believable, right, and you really root.
15:08 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I find myself rooting for both of them, you know, separately and together as their friendship.
15:15 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see that friendship remain.
15:20 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and then the last thing I'll say is that Sapace to all my Haitian brothers, you know what I'm saying?
15:29 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was disappointed.
15:35 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised, I was surprised.
15:39 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: David actually, you know, said to be on the lookout for something, and they went outside, I was like, oh, we'll be talking about that in about three sections.
15:48 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, okay.
15:52 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I am so excited that they made him Haitian, on Haitian American.
15:56 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: that is so cool to me, but the presentation of the family, the accents, even the way they pronounce words and Creole, was so off.
16:07 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Even I could tell, even I could tell it was off, because some of them sounded more like French, like French, you know?
16:14 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was so off that
16:16 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: they need help with the presentation of Haitian dynamics, so yeah that was my asthma only quibble with the show is that being Haitian American I think they could have done a better job of the Haitianness of the show even you know parts of it the music that they chose to accompany
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Right on.
16:48 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Alicia, what do you think, and I know you've got a couple of more notes from the sort of backstory stuff.
16:54 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to fold those in now with your hot tanks or just getting it.
16:58 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was just going to say about, um, I mean, well, I actually voted them later into the notes, we're going to come back to there's some more lore.
17:06 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll dive into about episode four and the whole three door man of it all.
17:11 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And then don't.
17:13 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll come back to that at the end, but I mean, I'll start with saying like episode four, I thought was really cool standouts.
17:23 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That was the one that I heard about the most before, because I was a little slow and getting started.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I was super excited.
17:29 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the first one right away, but I had to binge a bunch of movies to vote for the spirit awards yesterday.
17:36 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little slow catching up with them when I kept hearing about was episode four.
17:40 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you should ever apologize Alicia for your watch card because you more than anyone keeps such a pace that it puts the rest of us to shame.
17:48 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So you have nothing to do with this thing.
17:51 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, I watched so many movies in just a few days, but I finished them and I voted with a few hours of despair.
17:58 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
17:58 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was so, I'll, I'll, I'll stick with episode four since I mentioned it.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so cool.
18:03 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned this already to John before on an episode and, and I, to you in the chat.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But this whole dormant thing, once I saw door members in this episode, I had to, was in the show.
18:13 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to laugh because there was, uh, I listened to planet money, the economics podcast, and MPR, and they, they do, like, these series, I'm various things, like they're doing right, one right now in board games, but they did one before on comics.
18:26 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And so their episode one
18:29 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: By the rights to a character so we can do this and they chose Dorman and they're like nobody's going to care about Dorman And there's like you can listen to there's a 20 minute episode on planet money about like I think it's called superhero origins And they even like they went to the Marvel offices and like had someone dressed as a door outside trying to petition them to give them the rights to this character and marvels just like absolutely not
18:53 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were scoffing at the time, and I'll say this was in 2021 when they did this.
18:58 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They were scoffing at the time, like, when are they going to use this character?
19:01 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I didn't realize he is a great lake's Avengers, so I guess that does mean that he's more likely to be used.
19:08 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, so they started filming this in 2023, and part of me wonders if they were like, we're going to show you, we're using the character.
19:16 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
19:17 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it triggered that's really creative emotional episode out of it.
19:22 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, as for the other three, a completely agree, it's about about the buddy dynamic.
19:27 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got two intense men who have trouble connecting with other people.
19:32 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's are able to understand each other in a way that no one else in their lives can.
19:37 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just funny to see like we meet Simon first doing these warm-up exercises that are super intense, which reminded me in a certain way of Trevor's voice note coaching.
19:51 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: how they build off of each other and make each other better.
19:54 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, yeah, it's just a bromance for the ages.
19:57 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I know Jean and I were doubting the comedic chops of, yeah, I'll do a routine just because we hadn't seen it.
20:04 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was great to see he can be funny.
20:07 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not just the straight man as I was speculating.
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He actually has the comedic chops.
20:13 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And his humor is his own, right?
20:16 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_03]: He had the lean into who he is not.
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_03]: what the character.
20:21 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_03]: The character or what we think a comedic person should be like.
20:26 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_03]: He really is playing his voice, his stature, his physicality.
20:31 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a great little scene where he jumps on the bed after he gets a phone call.
20:36 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_03]: That was so good, and it was so natural.
20:39 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, his comic chops are his own, I think, in a lot of ways.
20:43 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, you started to step on you.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
20:46 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Ben Kingsley, just Bravo.
20:50 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And now like Trevor now Trevor's popped up a started who would have thought when we saw him in Iron Man 3 as the Mandarin that he would have one of the richest character arcs in the MCU.
21:05 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we find out he's 13 years sober, you know, after and still dealing with a fallout of that whole situation, which honestly as it should be.
21:12 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like I like how this show makes Los Angeles a
21:20 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: it's, you know, and just as someone, I'm obviously very into movies.
21:26 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's fun to watch them, the way they parody, you know, with an insider wink, but a general, general way that's recognizable to just casual film fans as well, I think.
21:38 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't need to know who Vankovak is.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Vankovak is like
21:42 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't different directors combine into one, but they they hide little Easter eggs for the big film geeks like hot off his golden line and win.
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, vana's film festival.
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think
21:57 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We, what we see here is the meeting of two creative minds.
22:02 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_02]: We have on the one hand, Destin Daniel Kretten, who's, especially on the directing side, and he's become now most associated with Shang-Chi, so obviously that makes sense to through line with Trevor, and the Spider-Man movies now, and Andrew Guest, who is best known for, you know, like, isn't 30 rock him, but a bunch of
22:24 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: comedic shows like that.
22:27 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And so combining these two together, that's how you get something that feels fresh, creative, new.
22:35 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's, there's a real depth, you know, it's, it's like, you can just hang out with these guys.
22:39 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wish I had like 30 hours to hang out with these guys, but it does have more depth than that.
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love,
22:47 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Trevor at one point quotes Hamlet and he says the purpose of playing is to hold as toward the mere up to nature.
22:54 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he adds to it for himself to understand the world around us and ourselves within it.
22:59 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me, this is why I am so drawn to movies and television.
23:03 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: This is why I am here talking in your ears right now is because I think
23:10 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Storytelling is the most important way that we investigate and learn how to navigate our world.
23:19 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And just, I mean, I don't mind that being called out on the nose.
23:24 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's these are two deep men who always sound like they're having a stoner conversation, even though they don't smoke weed.
23:39 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And for me, that same thing of the narrative structure and storytelling stuff,
23:50 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoy it and I enjoy a play within a play.
23:54 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_03]: One of my favorite kind of photographic styles is a frame within a frame.
23:59 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, you get a couple trees framing some vis-Ã -view or something like that.
24:03 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I like that sense of the play within a play.
24:07 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And they do that so expertly in this show because it's set in LA and it's about the craft of acting and it fits with Trevor's character.
24:18 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_03]: and then Simon, Yaya's character, they just, they do such a wonderful job of bringing us into the world of L.A. through him, through a young struggling actor, and the show is just rich in character detail, and yet it's still a superhero story, and they're still superhero, you know, stuff going on.
24:43 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_03]: but it never, it's perfectly in balance.
24:46 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And so much so that my wife was not a superhero genre fan.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_03]: She is enjoying watching it.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_03]: We got to the end of episode four.
24:56 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, can we watch the next one?
25:01 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Ellen, we should say, I stopped at four.
25:04 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what you were.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I stopped at four.
25:06 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, John.
25:07 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
25:08 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
25:08 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He got caught out on Discord.
25:10 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:11 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_03]: But I believe that I don't, were you watching with your family?
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you know.
25:18 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We're better half.
25:21 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She wants, no, I just, who am I, I said, well, no, he's at me.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you want it to continue?
25:28 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say no.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you watching it with Lily, too, or?
25:32 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he hasn't watched it yet.
25:34 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:34 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But he, yeah, he will watch it.
25:36 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This is sort of a lie.
25:37 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's kid friendly so far.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you've seen a whole thing.
25:40 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's good friendly?
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
25:44 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:44 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there are interesting conversations to be had with your, with a kid.
25:53 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: about who you are from watching this show.
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Who are you?
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And what does that mean?
26:01 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are things that we'll talk about when we get to it, but there are things that I take that these conversations that I know I'm going to have with E as he gets older.
26:15 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
26:16 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: About who we
26:22 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the beauty of the relationship of this buddy, comedy, and yeah, everybody is saying, more or less the same thing.
26:32 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_03]: They love the pairing of, yeah, yeah, and Kingsley together.
26:36 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_03]: They're just, they have some kind of chemistry going on.
26:40 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And I love, there's a, I can't spoil this, but there's a dramatic tension going on with inside of the relationship.
26:47 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so good and it's so rich.
26:50 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just, why can't we have more of this?
26:53 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Is what I want, and I really wish, like, I posed a question later on when we talk about production stuff.
26:59 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm, well, I'll set it up now, we'll talk about it later, is did the streaming, did the binging model work for this or not?
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a tension there.
27:09 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But for as a podcaster, I wish we could have done episode to episode coverage of this because they pack so much into every 30 minutes, the shot composition, the pacing, the editing, everything is perfect, the little needle drops that we're getting.
27:27 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so, so good, and that they can balance such rich character work in a clever way,
27:39 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_03]: and enter us into this world of, you know, into the super, back into the superhero world.
27:46 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That is just so unique.
27:48 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_03]: The, what was at Loki was firmly in the superhero world, right?
27:53 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_03]: But we got that same richness of character development.
27:55 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_03]: We got arc, we got, you know, completion.
27:59 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think this and Loki are going to be my two favorite MCU things superhero things easily and yeah, I don't this year 26 is not going to be like 25 in terms of our TV top 10 at the end of the year.
28:15 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really do see this breaching the, you know, it's gonna be five and above for sure.
28:20 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just trending so high for me right now.
28:24 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I cannot believe what I'm watching.
28:25 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just want everybody.
28:27 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I came into the new year a little exhausted, and tired, travel, and I swear to you that Wonderman gave me that re-energization that I needed to like get into the year again.
28:40 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And like you were saying, at least,
28:45 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_03]: is so enriching to our lives in so many unexpected ways that I'm just so happy that this show exists.
28:55 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was dying.
28:56 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_03]: The moment I finished episode one, I was just dying to talk about it.
28:58 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And so we're doing the best we can in terms of cramming two episodes.
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, doing a split one take on it or two shot on it.
29:05 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I'm all a Twitter now.
29:09 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's just such a good show and I just want everybody to see I think everybody in our community would really love their show so yeah Disney takes the right doesn't take the wrong lessons from it that they're not because it always seems like whenever something's as success They're like oh, they just want parodies of the film industry.
29:26 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I mean, we don't not want that But the reason this is such a success is because the writing is so strong and focused on the central relationship and all the nuances of that
29:39 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: the characters have points of view, they have motivations, they've wound them up and then they've let them loose and
29:47 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_03]: The importance is on the character, not the what's the next movie, what's the superpower, what's the, like wouldn't it be cool if these two character action figures fought and, you know, I mean, that's why Winner Soldier is one of the most enjoyed of the original Avengers series, is because there's a lot of deep character work between Bucky and and Cap, right?
30:09 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And and amongst all of the Avengers and there's like real questions that they're dealing with.
30:15 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And that richness ultimately will always went out over special effects.
30:21 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And so far, we've gotten really very little special in the way of special effects.
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_03]: They're very well done.
30:27 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And very well-used.
30:29 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, that's enough gushing from me and from all of us.
30:34 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and I was just going to, I was going to say this earlier, but Ken W. wrote in, uh, and wanted to share their opinion, one to bar, just binge eight crack and episodes on Night Shift from the family dynamics.
30:48 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_03]: to the amazing Ben Kingsley A.K.A.
30:50 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Trevor Slattery, what a performance from Yaya Abdulmatin's second.
30:55 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Wonderman, it was brilliant how both the past meets the present, how they both try to fit in a world that they think doesn't want them or need them.
31:05 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_03]: They both brought out the best in each other, flaws and all.
31:10 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_03]: This better not be another show that doesn't give us a deserved second season.
31:14 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Recommendations for Wonderman comics from one amazing duo to another turning into tuning into your thoughts on this 10 out of 10 show.
31:23 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Ken W. Thanks Ken, longtime supporter and good friend of the pod.
31:28 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_03]: really has encapsulated the communities feeling that we're seeing on the discord and other comments that people are just falling in love with a show at the moment that they get into the episodes.
31:40 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So.
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, let's take a quick break when we come back.
31:45 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk a little bit about the production background, because there's some interesting story of behind the story.
31:51 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll get into episode one, and we'll each sort of go around with our sort of three things from the episode that we want to talk about.
31:59 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back.
32:18 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And we are back.
32:21 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I am all a Twitter, I'm like really buzzing between the construction that's going out of my house and talking about the show, which I didn't realize.
32:29 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I knew I was excited about it, but I realized that I'm this excited about it until I got on the mic with you guys.
32:36 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna talk a little bit about production background, a little bit about who's behind this and a little bit about what happened with the production and then we'll get right into episode one.
32:48 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So Alicia earlier, you're talking about Destin Daniel Cretten earlier, who is the director for Shang-Chi in the Legend of the Ten Rings.
32:56 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're coming.
32:57 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're coming.
32:57 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Spider-Man movie, too.
32:59 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, which iteration of Spider-Man.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I got this.
33:04 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the first in the news.
33:06 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So we have one call in trilogy completed.
33:09 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And now we have the live action.
33:12 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So now we have this will be the first in a new trilogy of Tom Holland live action, Spider-Man
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So seven to MCU universe, the Avengers universe.
33:21 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, got it, not just coming out next year.
33:23 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
33:24 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_02]: This one is done.
33:25 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_02]: This year, sorry.
33:27 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
33:27 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I is still writing 20, 25.
33:29 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, you're statute of limitations on that is expired.
33:35 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It's February now.
33:36 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So you guys, I hope you took your Christmas decorations, that's that.
33:39 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Getting.
33:41 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's, so that's in the MCU universe.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, cool.
33:45 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:45 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we have Andrew Gest, who is the showrunner and head writer and also creditors as co-creator.
33:53 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know much about him, to either you have a read on him.
33:57 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, like shows like community Brooklyn, 99, 30 Rock.
34:02 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been a producer or writer or showrunner and on all these kinds of
34:07 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: very popular successful half our comedies.
34:12 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of, and a lot of them parody, like Brooklyn 99 parodies, police, community parodies, college administrations, 30 rock obviously, also entertainment industry.
34:25 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_03]: That makes a lot of sense for what we're seeing on screen in terms of how they're setting up the characters and the pacing and the editing of things.
34:34 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That makes a lot of sense that he's involved with a lot of that kind of television.
34:39 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
34:41 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So we've got a couple of other directors, Stella Maggie and James Ponstolt and Joel P West is the music composer for this.
34:55 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Great job.
34:57 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:57 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So was that great job Mr. Joel P West.
35:11 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So this was in development in June 2022 and then they began principal photography in LA in early April 23 but then the WGA strikes happened in May and so they had to shut down production as they were getting started.
35:35 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And then they were not sure, like, are we gonna come back?
35:40 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this gonna sink it completely or, you know, what's gonna happen with the strike?
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_03]: All of that kind of stuff.
35:47 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So then they were able to come back in early January of 24 and then they wrapped up around the spring of 24.
35:57 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's been sitting done for quite a while.
36:01 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if either of you have an insight as to what or why they held it for so long.
36:07 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they just decided, they had produced too much at once, and they decided, I think, rightfully to a certain degree that, yeah, you shouldn't try to do too many things at one time, because they were like losing the threads, you know?
36:19 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they just, and it's also Marvel zombies was also completed years ago, and they just
36:25 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So that they could.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this was the last thing.
36:29 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, arguably vision quest, but otherwise this is the last thing that they were sitting on.
36:34 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So now they kind of have a clean slate to do their new plan, which they say is just a small handful like a couple movies a year, couple shows a year.
36:44 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I thought that's the main thing.
36:47 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that Kevin Feige was annoyed that this is coming out after the franchise and after the studio.
36:57 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, but we were the first ones.
37:00 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We were the first ones.
37:02 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And now people are comparing it to the studio.
37:04 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, but we did it first.
37:07 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, LA is long been known for making fun of it.
37:11 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So LA loves to make products about themselves.
37:15 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I guess there was a lot of anxiety about whether it might even make me that they might have even just canned it completely and used it as a tax ride off.
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I never thought that they would.
37:29 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, thank you for keeping the flame alive.
37:32 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... john yeah like you said you were you didn't know what was going on with this no i just was excited for wrap on here up on here in the news that they were doing the show just didn't speak to me it turns out it speaks directly to you directly so i wanted to ask uh... you both are a little quick question because we debate this all the time is
38:02 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, regardless of you drop one and two, three in the beginning and then, you know, run it out.
38:07 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all fine.
38:09 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But what do you guys think?
38:11 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Did binge help this or hurt this?
38:13 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I've been hearing some comments in general about binge drops.
38:20 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I had some people in my family go, yeah, I just like when they binge drop because then I can just watch it on my own pace.
38:24 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to, you know, go week to week.
38:26 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas I know for us podcasters,
38:29 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_03]: we know that binge drop shows are harder for us to manage for.
38:34 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just curious to both of you, did you enjoy the fact that it was bingeable or they have done a weekly?
38:42 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for the at home person, like for the average person who's not so like not eternally online or things like that, I understand that like let's just have the whole thing and watch it at our own pace and this is a great show for binging because it does make you want to press play in the next episode and the episodes are short and you know it's I suppose it's like four hours total to watch the entire season.
39:09 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, they're all around 35 minutes plus or minus
39:12 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I can see for the average person at home that it's it's mostly a good thing except for the eternally online who are like well then it becomes more difficult to talk about it with other people because you're all at different places and you know and like oh did you see the thing oh never mind and then by the time people have finished it everyone's done and moved on and that's the problem from the studio perspective is you know the distributor perspective, Disney's perspective
39:41 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_02]: it burns maybe brighter and then dies out.
39:45 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So it can boost numbers in the short term.
39:48 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And luckily, this has had, I'm sure, stronger word of mouth than they expected.
39:54 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that will give them a boost this quarter in numbers, but it doesn't, it burns more quickly out and then people forget it more quickly than if you had it over two months.
40:09 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know for us, I'm seeing some shows, especially from last year, where people were just waiting.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_03]: They were like, oh, I'm just going to hang.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And then when it's done, then I'll watch it or they were sort of watching.
40:22 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And if it's such, because we see it in our podcast download numbers, when we see these long tales on things or people coming back around and sending it feedback, well, after the show is over,
40:33 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But I know for us podcasters it would have just given us the opportunity to do weekly coverage and really get into the scene by scene richness of this show and that how I mean how much we know.
40:48 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_03]: studios are paying attention to podcasters because they're giving out screeners or they're restricting screeners and they're having their own high-production value podcasters, you know, official podcasters like the Marvel podcast I'll say though.
41:03 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I'm not on record not being a fan.
41:06 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a completely scripted.
41:08 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: They are not allowed to say anything authentic.
41:11 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's interesting.
41:12 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting because authenticity is really at the coin of our realm, right?
41:15 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this being honest about what we think and feel about our shows?
41:20 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, John, you binged it.
41:22 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So it worked for you, at least in some respect.
41:27 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say that, but I think watch the entire series.
41:35 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: No breaks.
41:36 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we have breaks, we didn't burn through it.
41:40 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And one night, it was over the week.
41:43 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You were tempted, though.
41:44 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, tempted.
41:45 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, gosh, what was I was, I ever.
41:48 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But I agree, I think the binge, it burns so brightly in the moment, in the immediacy of it, and then the flame flickers out.
42:02 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas if we're talking about it for two months, six weeks, or whatever, it's giving people an opportunity to jump on the bed.
42:12 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, because they see other podcasts, right?
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You see the media.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
42:17 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's a misopportunity for this show, in particular, that they did not drop it weekly.
42:25 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, that goes to the studio having the guts to believe in the story that they did.
42:30 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think that they believed in it.
42:34 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And was it tangible for me?
42:36 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
42:38 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't there some news out right now about Disney leadership?
42:42 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a new CEO or somebody?
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they just named the new CEO.
42:46 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They are, again, promoting the head of parks and the merchandise arm, the experiences arm, CEO, but they did also promote
43:00 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they were like, because it was between, this was a question where they're going to go with the more business guy or where they're going to go with the woman who's ahead of the creative branch of things.
43:12 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was kind of the question is where strategically what are they thinking and they chose commerce over creativity, but they did give her also a promotion of sorts.
43:24 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So to say, and then.
43:25 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Iger was like, and now they're competing against each other.
43:29 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, they're not.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same company.
43:31 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this.
43:33 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And they, they really dirty together.
43:35 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_03]: They really do lean on the parts of my face without the...
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The parts are nothing without the...
43:42 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
43:42 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_03]: The high-p. Yep.
43:47 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, I think it's interesting because yeah, like I said, I heard some family members talking about the fact that they they like it because then they can just pace themselves, but then there's the building a show up and building and leaning into it and anyway, and a.
44:04 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_03]: How many, you know, we can debate how many angels are dancing on the head of a pinned, you know, this age is what we want to do.
44:12 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_03]: But we're here to actually talk about the show.
44:14 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's get into episode one titled Matt Naye, was directed by Deng Destin Daniel Cretan and written by Andrew Gast with a 35 minute run time.
44:24 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you Wikipedia for the synopsis.
44:27 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_03]: struggling actor Simon Williams is fired from a small role in the series American horror story funny that they're able to use that property after delaying by delaying production by over thinking his character and making repeated requests for changes.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_03]: He's dumped by his girlfriend Vivienne the same day.
44:46 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon meets actor Trevor Slatterie, known for playing the Mandarin as part of the terrorist plot, who informs Simon that he's auditioning for a claimed director of Vaughn Covax remake of the 1980s superhero film Wonderman.
45:03 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_03]: As Wonderman was one of his favorite childhood movies, Simon Biggs's agent, Genel Jackson,
45:08 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_03]: for a chance to audition, but as rejected due to his firing and behavior, he's a little too method in his acting.
45:17 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon gets the audition information from our computer and goes anyway, after seeing Simon panicking about how to approach the character, slatterty advises him to give him more natural performance, which helps Simon in the audition.
45:32 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_03]: After the pair
45:37 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Agent P. Cleary, to confirm that he's made contact with Simon, who is suspected of having superpowers, and is considered unstable and dangerous.
45:49 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Bump, bump, bump, so we each have picked sort of three elements of this episode that we're going to talk about, just really quick for a little bit of context.
45:58 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_03]: What do we need to know about Department of Damage Control?
46:02 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_03]: they're sort of a secret government agency in this world.
46:05 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I didn't recognize there.
46:07 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They're I'll update take this one because it's one of my three.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
46:12 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Trevor's working with the DODC and
46:18 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He, we last saw in Ms. Marvel, we've also seen it in Spider-Man, but basically they are trying to lock up superhero people and control them, and it's gone real well as you can imagine.
46:34 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So we've seen this particular agent, Agent Cleary, has been, he was in Ms. Marvel, he's in Spider-Man, and now he's in this, I think that's right.
46:42 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Were they the people that were responding on the outside of the
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: on the outside of the bubble.
46:47 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, that was an emergency.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, sorry.
46:50 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
47:10 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's basically where we've seen the DODC active, but I liked that yeah, Trevor is like, I have a good feeling about today something fateful in the air and I almost got goose bumps when he says that even though I like I watched the first episode twice and the second time I still got goose bumps even though I knew by that point, oh, he's actually, he knows it's something fateful because it's been set up, but I think he actually believed it, too,
47:36 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_02]: got the call from Clarie and he picks up the phone.
47:39 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_02]: He does the whole he had taught Simon earlier in the episode like Breathe all the air in your lungs out to sort of like shock your system so out of thinking over thinking too much You know to help you act and before he picks up the phone with Clarie he does a full breath out So you know he is acting when he picks up the phone
47:59 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And the show is just full of little things like that, all the way through that are just so great, little, connective tissue things.
48:08 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love go ahead.
48:11 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying, on the Banking Zeefront, I love that they, I kept looking up every reference.
48:17 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_02]: They made and quote, they made and they were referring to all of Banking Zee's real life work.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_02]: The reference is being
48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Trevor's work.
48:27 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Like even the, you know, he really did play Po in on this Omnibus BBC collection of documentaries in the 70s.
48:37 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The need for nightmare.
48:39 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So like he mentioned his character from Coronation Street by name.
48:43 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
48:44 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_02]: If you look around Trevor's apartment a bunch of that is Ben Kingsley movie paraphernalia.
48:49 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I love that.
48:50 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So cool.
48:52 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And they also had some fun Easter eggs to Zanyak from Loki season two.
48:57 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, nice.
48:59 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And Kingo from the from my turnos.
49:02 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
49:02 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Because they are also actors.
49:04 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
49:05 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_03]: John, what's one thing?
49:08 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So just just to clarify, I did not understand assignment.
49:14 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to be going a little, I'm going to be going a little or script here.
49:19 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
49:20 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: For the rest of the part.
49:22 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But I, like Alicia said earlier, a lot of folks were making the comparison between this and the studio, which is what I immediately did, except we're watching actors and specifically actors who are struggling, right?
49:39 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can see it and Simon immediately.
49:44 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The second thing was, I was just like, from the jump, get out of your own way, he was so stuck in his head that he couldn't read the room.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He just didn't see it.
50:01 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And that caused him to lose a role.
50:03 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, how many other roles has he lost?
50:08 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he just couldn't get out of his own way.
50:11 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: just it was so heartbreaking to watch him completely mess up this opportunity that I know he feels like I don't get a lot of opportunities and I have this one and he's walking off the
50:34 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_01]: is that was that was like wow, that was like wow.
50:39 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he shows up at home when his his girlfriends moving out.
50:42 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like if worst day, right, yeah, Simon is in no good very bad day.
50:49 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, travel man, just
50:54 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you never, this is, again, this is a character that we've known when was the Iron Man 3 movie in 2016.
51:04 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think 10 years might have been even better.
51:08 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It might have even been before 2016.
51:10 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So more than that, just to see back character come back 20, come back.
51:16 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_01]: 2013, look at that.
51:19 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: To see that character come back and play,
51:23 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, wow, I would not have expected Trevor Slattery to show up on my TV screen and do anything meaningful ever again.
51:34 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_03]: and here is sir Ben Kingsley showing up on your I mean Marvel show where we saw him once, but like Yeah, I'm not.
51:41 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sir, but now it's his fourth appearance.
51:43 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's right to that.
51:45 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sir Ben, you know, you're going to get sir Ben every now and then.
51:48 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but flattery just was like man, such a cool character from the beginning, right?
51:57 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: To now he's in this role in this series and he picks up the phone
52:03 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: the DODC and I was refreshed.
52:08 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I was absolutely crushed in that moment.
52:11 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, that can't be, that can't be.
52:17 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And that just in that short period of time of them being together on
52:33 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And that details into my, I really only had one big thing for this episode and that was just how efficient the introduction of our main characters was.
52:47 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_03]: They, they told us exactly who Simon was, they told us exactly who Trevor was and then they introduced the twist.
52:55 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_03]: at the right spot and that tension, that dramatic tension is going to grow because we feel the natural affinity for these two men and we'll talk more about it in episode two specifically.
53:07 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But it was just such an efficient, it was 35 minutes.
53:12 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_03]: and nothing was wasted and everything was on point and just breathed life into the story into the characters and to what's going on.
53:22 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So I felt that that was just some some the best writing on television.
53:26 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen in a while, you know, in this kind of formatted and genre.
53:32 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:34 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And just to piggyback on which John was saying about the way he ruined his shot in American Horror Story, that was really spoke to me for exactly the reasons that John was laying out.
53:46 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But I loved just from a technical angle, they did you notice that when they're that whole thing on the set where he's giving all the notes, that was it was a oneer.
53:55 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_03]: It was
54:01 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I just loved the follow-up to that where when he finds out, you know, he meets Trevor and he finds out about the audition and the way he gets in the door calling Ruth Bakshi, pretending to be a substitute assistant to Janelle and just like, and I think there's, I mean, I've never been an assistant in Hollywood, but
54:24 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_02]: it does seem that there is a, you know, a lot of sympathy for each other because it's a hard under-appreciated job.
54:34 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was the way to go in.
54:37 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He shows a certain understanding of people like, oh, this is a character that they're going to want to, this person's going to want to help out.
54:45 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And the twist of the DODC that this was all set up, but it was so perfectly executed on Dreamers barred in some way, like how, yeah.
54:57 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And then that, that the agent is giving cleary is giving a Trevor shit about screwing up the mission and all that, I'm like, bro, he had him so fast.
55:10 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still in the reason of worked.
55:12 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
55:14 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was the one he was like, no, you can't give him a fake audition.
55:17 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to know it's fake.
55:18 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, you think he doesn't talk to people?
55:20 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, he's not.
55:22 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to know.
55:23 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a thing.
55:24 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when you go back, like I told you to rewatch the first episode, because just, you know, once you know that and you, you go back and all this stuff, it's,
55:34 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_02]: not just it's he's positioned himself there but he's done it realistically the way it's written it's realistic enough that you believe this is a man who you know it's not just a coincidence that oh he had to be annoyed by him and talk to him no because Trevor started talking out loud about this audition and I'm sure he would have let the name Wonderman drop if it hadn't worked
56:05 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_03]: John, you had to note about the DODC here.
56:07 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You want to, you want to, yeah, man, they think, they son it.
56:11 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They can kick all the rocks.
56:14 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's burned down the DOC, DODC.
56:16 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
56:18 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't defund them.
56:19 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to abolish the agency.
56:22 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Just get them out of here.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so on time.
56:25 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're looking at what's happening in our real world,
56:35 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_01]: and trapping people and just outright, lawlessness.
56:41 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they're super Max prison is like Swiss cheese.
56:46 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We've never seen character kept inside of it.
56:49 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_02]: No, right, right.
56:51 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's this idea of, you know, they build it so we gotta fill it.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not the other way around.
56:59 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
57:00 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_03]: and well we are an entertainment first podcast.
57:05 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_03]: We are real people in the world and we all have our personal beliefs and values and we try not to mix it too much on this but yo right now this show is hitting in ways like some other shows have been hitting with what's going on in the streets
57:22 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It really does go to that point that you were saying before, Alicia, about how narrative can highlight our real world experiences and help us process and navigate.
57:31 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I think of the season and door where they send out some inexperienced troops that is then the catalyst for creating a riot, right, provocation.
57:43 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And we see these things being done, and it's like we can use the narrative to deconstruct our real world.
57:53 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_03]: We can use those tools to think critically about what's going on in this country.
57:58 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, yeah, I feel you on that.
58:00 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_03]: You had another comment about being black and unable to let your raw emotions.
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we get to that.
58:08 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of those things that I didn't understand that.
58:10 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you didn't understand when we get to it when we get to it.
58:13 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
58:14 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where it works.
58:15 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Alicia Flash Gordon vibes me and I sell it at the exact same by the way.
58:20 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.
58:20 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
58:21 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, total vintage Flash Gordon.
58:24 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I've tried to, I poked, I should have watched the show.
58:27 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, I think, she'd like it.
58:30 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
58:31 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_03]: for sure.
58:33 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had it was just a colorized version of what I remember seeing early on as a kid.
58:37 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, seeing the whatever fire extinguisher jet packs on his back, getting lifted up by a wire.
58:44 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_03]: That was perfect.
58:45 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, my, I had a cousin who was, well, he's like, was actually my grandfather's cousin, but close family member who illustrated for, you know,
59:01 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just want to do point out one other thing about this episode because, uh, you might have noticed it closed with in loving memory of one spike Osario.
59:12 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he was a rigging assistant and chief lighting technician on the show and he basically, he fell through a rotten catwalk.
59:23 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
59:24 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus.
59:24 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_02]: They were setting up to film even.
59:27 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, for this show, for
59:30 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's so.
59:30 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:31 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
59:32 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:32 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So Cal and OSHA did an investigation, and they find Disney and the Radford Studio Center, but on the Silver lining is the tragedy, did lead a bunch of other studios to upgrade their catwalks to make sure that this didn't happen again.
59:51 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And that could have been just one of those things walked down that catwalk a zillion times and then today is the day that it came out.
59:57 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why they're so safety gone just on it.
59:58 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a lot of friction on the set, but there's a reason why because we don't need to be wasting people's lives on agnostics like that.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bummer.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, anything else for episode one before we take a little break?
01:00:14 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_02]: No great introduction.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's take a break, and then we will get into episode two, and we are back.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_03]: We are talking about episode two of season one of Wonderman episode is entitled Self
01:00:46 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It was also directed by Dustin Derr, Daniel Kretten, and written by Andrew Guest.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's runtime was 34 minutes, one minute is shorter than the episode 1.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_03]: After, and again, thank you Wikipedia for the synopsis.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_03]: After he was kidnapped from prison and held by zoo when woo them.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Am I trying to chew when woo 10 rings criminal organization?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Saladary returns to Hollywood intent on living up to his mother's hopes for him as an actor.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is one of those things where they take what you need to know about the lore and they put it right into the story.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you don't know who this guy is.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Now you get it.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's really seamlessly done.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_03]: These then immediately arrested by the FBI, and Cleary offers him the option of working for the DODC in exchange for not finishing his prison sentence.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_03]: In the present, Janelle tells Simon that his Wonderman audition impressed the casting director, and he's been asked to do a self-tape audition for an independent film.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon gets frustrated trying to film the audition himself,
01:01:51 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_03]: been seeing Vivian, his girlfriend, in an old self-tape video, causes his powers to activate.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_03]: His body releases an explosion of energy inside his apartment.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon then asks laterly for help with the audition, just as Cleary tells flattery to use a device to hack Simon's computer.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_03]: after unsuccessfully trying to film the audition at a self-tape studio, slatter his apartment, and the house of slatteries and nemesis, Joe Pantoliano, aka Joy Pants, the pair return to Simon's apartment and film a successful take.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Slattery secretly hacks Simon's computer and also discovers the damage from the explosion.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_03]: this for what I've seen up to episode four.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_03]: This was my hands down absolute favorite episode.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a buddy comedy, but with a maguffin, the maguffin being a successful audition tape and just there.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the episode
01:03:01 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, efficient character development where we get to see these two men exploring each other's who they are and who they think they are supporting each other in different ways.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll talk, we can talk a little bit about JoyPants in a minute and that scene because that was really important.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And then just this idea of these two actors who are just nerding out and then there's a great scene at the beginning of episode three, which I thought was in this one.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So my notes are a little jumbled there as well.
01:03:35 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But that they took a tried and true framework, the buddy comedy, and then they took them a guff in hunt, and they put those together for this as a vehicle for us to learn who these two guys are and for them to really bond and develop a relationship so that episode three can happen with what happens in episode three.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_03]: was just an amazing 34 minutes of television.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It was absolutely my favorite and all of the acting stuff.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know who anybody have notes that they want to pick up on what I have there or attack it.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you brought up Joey Pants.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll say that was one of my three points.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the way that Simon, like Simon stood up to like, how dare you insult my friend?
01:04:28 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to do my, you know, he was just excited a moment before about being there.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's like, no, uh, he's obviously a very loyal person.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's now, um, now Trevor is part of his pack, his catech.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_02]: and to put in Stephen King terms, and he's, yeah, he's going to be like a sort of guard dog for him.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's felt like the dumbest moment for him to do that when he's just about to record the tape.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But then it ends up with him taking Trevor back to his apartment, which inevitably
01:05:03 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: brings him in closer, which is dangerous because we know it's really going on, but it's also we, yeah, Trevor is obviously not a terrible person down, or at least he also has a lot of care for Simon, and he just
01:05:21 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: now he understands him a bit better and that allows them to grow closer and then they have that incredible like it's difficult to do that that tape where they have to deliver something that's incredible you know and then it's like says in the script like deliver the best take you've ever done you know like give the best read you've ever given and somehow they achieved it and is because just as it is in this show the real actors their chemistry is feeding off of each other
01:05:51 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: and bringing out some of the best work for that I've seen either of them do.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to build a little bit on the joypants thing too, because I was like, why are we going, what does this have to do with anything?
01:06:02 --> 01:06:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And on my second watch, I was able to watch episode two, just before we started recording, and I kind of in a hurried fashion.
01:06:13 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And what dawned on me,
01:06:17 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_03]: is that Joey Pants being the antagonist for Trevor's character, because they worked on that soap opera years before.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And then Trevor crashed out and Joey was like, and then talking about this idea is that of acting being a calling and not a job.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And so Joey Pants is like, man, it's just a job.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I use the money, you know, built a little real estate empire,
01:06:48 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And that adds the contrast to show who Trevor is, because for him it's a it's a calling.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And then that shows us who, I'm sorry.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And then then that shows us who signing this.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_03]: because he sticks up for Trevor and goes after Joey Pants, say, man, that was the most sincere bullshit that you just dropped.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we're out of here.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And so we really, the Joey Pants thing really shows us how Simon and Trevor are the same people.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_03]: They're motivated by the, not the same people, but you know, they're motivated by the same thing.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_03]: They're motivated, matter.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and then that's their bond.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And now they, that scene, bonds them.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And so when he does put their little ring on the laptop, it just bites even harder.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Cause we know that these two guys have this genuine connection.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think it isn't stupid about what key keeps on us left out.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know.
01:07:56 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, just watching that episode, what memories of watching, you know, like coming of age, fix where you have friends who are under hunt for some weed.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We had some episodes, right?
01:08:17 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm just saying, you know, we're on the, you know, and even in my own, you know,
01:08:25 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: growing up, riding in one of my friends broke down cars on a mission to go get something.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what it felt like to me.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:08:35 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a coming of age, but obviously grown and not yet.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I mean?
01:08:43 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And a way that maybe they haven't had the opportunity or capability of doing prior to meeting each other.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so that's the gap to me.
01:08:57 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Joey Pants, let me come on.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, when he looked up that sign because Simon is an imposing man.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He looked up that and I'm gonna say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
01:09:27 --> 01:09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: really, really, really great, just seen the dynamic of the two of them.
01:09:32 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And really, a short period of time, you know, I think we spend life trying to find our people, you know?
01:09:42 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And and these are two souls who have been looking for their people.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think
01:09:52 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: in that moment when Simon stands up for Trevor in the house of an extremely successful actor.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that he's saying is looks out to you.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, knows his movies, who he wants to be like.
01:10:12 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's saying, no, he's full of shit, because baby's day out of a sucked by the way, because you're because the way you're treating my people.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that's really good stuff right there.
01:10:30 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_03]: have either of you seen Baby's Day out.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I made a song.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, it came out.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like the 90s or something.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:41 [SPEAKER_03]: 94.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw it.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty hilarious.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So all the best ways they show these two characters, these two men, becoming friends.
01:10:54 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And then was so cool to watch.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_03]: What else you got Alicia?
01:11:02 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, just to play on their their dynamics a more.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew the moment agent Moia or sorry, I'm saying the actor's name.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, agent, um, Cleary didn't know Shakespeare.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, right.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like Trevor's like, hmm.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, you know, the first time he quotes King Lear to Simon Simon's like, oh, King Lear, you're not going to win.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And Simon actually knows all of Trevor's roles.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's impressive.
01:11:30 --> 01:11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's a real fan.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So if that's got to be good for the dynamic as well.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And Simon's memory, like he's just got all of that stuff locked in.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, that episode, that year, that movie.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_03]: that director like that that's incredible.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's probably neurodivergent to be honest.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.
01:11:49 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I was going to ask the two of you if you thought so.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, for the focus.
01:11:54 --> 01:11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:56 --> 01:12:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's physiologically diverse.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's my question.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he neurodivergent or is this because of the way he has to be?
01:12:10 --> 01:12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean ours.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean I think I can be both.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: This focus.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that his girl from breaking up with him because he is hiding things from her.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely got to be about his powers.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that his intense focus is just who he is.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:46 [SPEAKER_03]: In the world of being an actor and he's motivated because this is his calling, not his job and he's certain.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_03]: what he, how he self-sabotages by leaning too far into it, he's been living this life of sort of a quiet frustration.
01:12:56 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe not so quiet.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_03]: But he's been, and that's gonna have a rebounding effect internally, like every job is that and more important and every rejection is that more and more painful.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And so he's just really,
01:13:10 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit on edge and so then when he finds a soul who they connect, like you're saying John, that is so special for him.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:35 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh man, not only can I look up to this guy and I can get some awesome coaching from him, but he understands what it is I'm dealing with here and how I've been going through this, which was my number three little thing which was
01:13:37 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_03]: that these two actors who were just nerding to F out, and especially at the beginning of episode three, but I just love that whole running gag of method versus character acting.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the joke about York's skull and passing it down.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there's this great tradition, Dada Dada Dada.
01:13:57 --> 01:14:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And then Burton left it in the bar, so I nicked it like that.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That was so good.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:13 [SPEAKER_03]: and then there's the there's the scene oh which part is it I can't I have it what I just have here on my notes is slow push in
01:14:13 --> 01:14:17 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a part where they're talking, oh, maybe it's when they're doing the acting scene, right?
01:14:17 --> 01:14:42 [SPEAKER_03]: When they're recording the sides and the camera just, every time it cuts between them, it's we're getting a little bit closer, we're getting closer and closer and that, that mimics the intimacy that these two guys are having and that they're sharing that these two souls are sort of starting to become an orbit with each other.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:43 [SPEAKER_03]: again, on point.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was to say my last little thing, it's just an example of all the many little details.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't even have time to get into, but just when they go to that self-tape center in the middle of their Odyssey, I don't know what it's like.
01:14:57 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The contract stipulates that I have to read the
01:15:07 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, future editor David here looks like there was a little problem with Jones audio and I had stopped him to recover but it seems like we lost a little clip of the audio so we're going to just jump back to where he was midthought.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's anything really lost in the conversation so just know that there's a little awkward jump here.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, back to the episode.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So you just explode when you're not able to channel your emotions, your feelings, the hurt, the pain that you have and him sitting on the sofa just unleashing in that moment was like, wow, how much is he holding in every day?
01:15:53 --> 01:15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he can't be himself every day, right?
01:15:58 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You walk into a room, and you know, if you make one little, one little nest step, boom, you know, that has to be so difficult, so hard.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm waiting for him to learn how to channel, to learn how to control beyond just, you know, repressing the power, repressing your emotions, repressing your feelings, how to actually
01:16:27 --> 01:16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So you become who you can be.
01:16:31 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And in that moment, I just felt for him like, damn, you know, like, damn, this, this is, this is tough.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This is tough.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And let's talk about the fact that he's a big man.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The big black man.
01:16:45 --> 01:16:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Big black man.
01:16:46 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That was not a big black man.
01:16:47 --> 01:16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a big black man.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you get that first, he's a man.
01:16:50 --> 01:16:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he's black and you put those things together.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And people have versions.
01:16:55 --> 01:16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Tarring, figure.
01:16:55 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he just has an intensity of his presence.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he's an intense dude, too, right?
01:17:01 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_03]: As an actor, right?
01:17:02 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Who he is and his passions, right?
01:17:04 --> 01:17:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to, that comes out.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And then with powerful presence, you feel, yeah, absolutely.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: When you walk into the room, you know, you, you try and, you shrink.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm not as tall as, yeah, yeah, but I'm a big person, I'm a big man, and I've walked in spaces when I was younger, where I've tried to, to shrink myself, yeah.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So not be threatening.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: to not be emotional, to not be, you know, viewed as, you know, a powder keg.
01:17:35 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And he literally is a powder keg.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He literally, on top of dealing with all the other shit, he literally is a powder keg.
01:17:44 --> 01:17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I felt in that moment and just watching that go through it and having
01:17:53 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, yeah, just, it was tough, it was tough.
01:17:58 --> 01:17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, that's the richness of the character work that's happening.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the show.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And then Bankings, they're so small, right?
01:18:05 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_03]: You have this right.
01:18:06 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
01:18:06 --> 01:18:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, right.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Duncan Egg's situation going.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:12 [SPEAKER_03]: At least anything else, or I think we can wrap up episode two?
01:18:13 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll take a quick break and we will be right back.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back with episode three, Pacoima, directed by James Ponsult and written by Paul Welch and Madeline Walter.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, the 34-minute run time.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So super efficient.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Cleary is unable to find evidence of Simon's power from his hacked computer, so he tells Slaterly that he needs to go to Simon's childhood home in Pacoima, Los Angeles.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:05 [SPEAKER_03]: For the birthday party of Simon's mother, Martha using a wiretap to record his conversations.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Slaterly convinces Simon to take him and is introduced to Martha, Simon's brother, Eric, and other relatives.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I had to indulge because that's one of the greatest talks of the 80s ever the go-goes.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So, flattery references a 1981 song the go-goes.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so annoying.
01:19:48 --> 01:19:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So, how are we totally LA, right?
01:19:51 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And when that needle dropped, I was just like, yeah, I was, I was a group of, sorry, sorry, I had to put that in.
01:19:56 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I apologize.
01:19:57 --> 01:20:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Martha is proud of Simon Eric, his dismissive of his career, and Slattery finds that none of his other relatives are close to Simon or no much about him.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Martha tells Slattery that Simon has always been lonely and she's happy that he's made a friend.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon argues with Eric and unintentionally destroys part of the kitchen, which Eric recently had renovated.
01:20:17 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Simon and Slattery leave the party
01:20:19 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And Simon states that Saturday is the first person outside of his family to know about his powers.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: He considers whether Eric is right and it's time for him to give up acting.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Slaterally decides to destroy the recording from his wiretap just as Janelle calls to inform them that they have both been given callbacks for rules in Wonderman.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And I should note that the Wikipedia synopsis didn't have sort of the cold opening thing, the flashback thing where as a boy at the hospital, so there's a little bit of missing
01:20:49 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Alicia, what do you got for this episode?
01:20:53 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, I guess I'll just say to start that the way that his powers were realized, we saw them fully, I mean, probably not fully unleashed here to be honest, but we saw them unleashed here where he destroys the countertop.
01:21:08 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that was a completely practical effect getting that countertop to collapsing, and it was gorgeous, and that allows them to just concentrate on making his eyes have that
01:21:23 --> 01:21:28 [SPEAKER_02]: which you know, Harkin's back to the way his powers represented in the comics.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just think that this is the perfect example of how you can go smaller to make it look.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: bigger.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's a great insight.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to go big green screen and all the suits and all the stuff.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can really close.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good comment.
01:21:47 --> 01:21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think both back to back to your point, Alicia, back to back because in the previous episode on the sofa, it was much the same.
01:21:56 --> 01:22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That that feeling, it wasn't a huge thing, but it was huge.
01:22:04 --> 01:22:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's, it's, and this is one of those examples that we've talked about in various episodes about how sometimes limiting a budget can for creative decisions that actually make the result more exciting.
01:22:21 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I totally agree with that.
01:22:32 --> 01:22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get on the Haitian acids because, man, I tell you right now, I'm telling you right now that Creole was terrible.
01:22:43 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, what, like there were moments where Simon is speaking, I'm like, he's not speaking Creole.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he's speaking, but it's not, it's not Creole, it's not Haitian, I don't know what this is.
01:22:57 --> 01:22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that the mom,
01:22:59 --> 01:23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: in our accent, you know, changed, like, it doesn't, that doesn't happen.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that doesn't happen.
01:23:07 --> 01:23:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, when I speak Creole, like, you can hear my, you know, native, you know, people who are still Creole is their first language.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They can tell they say, my tongue is heavy, right?
01:23:22 --> 01:23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I speak with a, for New York accent, my Creole worked, right?
01:23:29 --> 01:23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: for people who don't know?
01:23:32 --> 01:23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: they still say that I speak, I sound like I'm coming from Haiti, but for a Haitian who's primary language is Creole.
01:23:41 --> 01:23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:23:42 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not speaking Haitian.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not Creole.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not Creole.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
01:23:48 --> 01:23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:23:48 --> 01:24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are differences in how words are pronounced and accents are put on certain phrases and things
01:24:01 --> 01:24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't really, I didn't really vibe with that, and then like it, what I did love was that when they replayed the drop of the go-ghosts, that is such a real thing because in the episode, in the party, you can hear
01:24:22 --> 01:24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Haitian music, it's not exactly Compa, but you can hear it in the background and they're list, you know, everybody's dancing and listening to, you know, this, the music of the country, but you also have this Americanness to it, because, you know, they're, it felt very American.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, very American, you know, and they have their traditions, they have their, their,
01:24:47 --> 01:24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: things that bind them together beyond being in America.
01:24:50 --> 01:24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: His cousins speaking that was so real and when he looked at them and he's like, you know I can understand you.
01:24:59 --> 01:25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've been in situations where people didn't know that I was, you know, pre-all speaking, they didn't know I was Haitian-American and they're talking, and pre-all.
01:25:08 --> 01:25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're talking about me.
01:25:10 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh,
01:25:12 --> 01:25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can understand you and I was saying it in the Creole, and they were like, oh my gosh, oh no, I didn't mean to, oh, yes you did, you said what you said, I heard you.
01:25:22 --> 01:25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, so those things felt so true, you know, they felt in place.
01:25:29 --> 01:25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And just the whole, you know, family communal aspect of being, you know, in,
01:25:39 --> 01:25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: being together, right to celebrate, you know, their mom's birthday was so true to me.
01:25:49 --> 01:25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The one thing, again, that didn't feel true for that scene in the kitchen.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, put it on discord.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell y'all right now.
01:25:57 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell y'all right now.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: My bed of half who is not Haitian, she was like y'all.
01:26:03 --> 01:26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about him in the kitchen.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, exactly.
01:26:08 --> 01:26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: She's in the kitchen by herself.
01:26:09 --> 01:26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, exactly, yes, there's no way she'd be in the kitchen by herself in a party, washing dishes.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Her sisters would have been there.
01:26:20 --> 01:26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Her nieces and nephews would have been in there.
01:26:23 --> 01:26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Her cousins would have been in there.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Her co-workers would have been in that kitchen.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a brand new kitchen.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an all-in-all kitchen.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's in the kitchen.
01:26:34 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But a grand-you kitchen?
01:26:36 --> 01:26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Aw, you're kidding me.
01:26:38 --> 01:26:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm even even at my white people party.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying that the kitchen is always full of people.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where the food comes first.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole.
01:26:46 --> 01:26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gravity.
01:26:46 --> 01:26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no way she's in the kitchen alone having a private moment.
01:26:51 --> 01:26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: She can be another part of the house that would have said I would have been like cool.
01:26:55 --> 01:26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
01:26:56 --> 01:26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But in the kitchen itself, washing dishes?
01:26:59 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:26:59 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:26:59 --> 01:27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not happening.
01:27:01 --> 01:27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just felt like this takes away a little bit from, you know, the Haitianness of
01:27:08 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: what they're portraying.
01:27:11 --> 01:27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish they had, you know, I'm gonna dig deep.
01:27:14 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they have some sort of, I don't know.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the needs help with the Haitians, because even in Black Panther, they need some help with the Haitians with Black Panther.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Get it.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't they have a consultant?
01:27:29 --> 01:27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
01:27:29 --> 01:27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They need help.
01:27:30 --> 01:27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They need help.
01:27:32 --> 01:27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
01:27:33 --> 01:27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But the episode itself, we got this of those things that I, you know, nitpicked on, just having that interaction where you bring your friend to, you know, your family's home and they're trying to find out more about you and the family's interrogating Trevor too.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They're looking at him.
01:27:54 --> 01:27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, one is like, who are you, you know what I mean?
01:27:58 --> 01:28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just a one way street where he's doing reconnaissance.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They're also trying to figure out who he was his deal.
01:28:04 --> 01:28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Eric, you know, this is a spoiler for the comics, but Eric, in the comics is a villain.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So he, when I originally said Simon dies in the comic books, first he blames the Avengers and he goes on to a very dark path and he remains a villain to this day where I Simon is he does bring Simon back, but yeah, yes.
01:28:31 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:28:32 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So he remains a villain to this day.
01:28:34 --> 01:28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's never changed his villain this way.
01:28:36 --> 01:28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll be interested to see if there's any dynamic of that when we get a season two.
01:28:41 --> 01:28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't happen.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like him here.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you that.
01:28:46 --> 01:28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:28:47 --> 01:28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can see the sort of relationship that he has with Simon here.
01:28:52 --> 01:28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And you understand why Simon is looking for his people.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm because he clearly did get people at home.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean his mom seems lovely, but Yeah, well, that's not a different thing.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, that's a different thing with your mom, but you know, he's looking for interesting in a Star Trek Starfleet Academy, the new series, an episode four.
01:29:18 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_03]: There is a parallel storyline with this one a little bit where
01:29:23 --> 01:29:42 [SPEAKER_03]: you know with families and do how do you see each other and you know this this tension between family culture and culture culture and what the individual is pursuing and that's out that you know the artist who's trying to everybody's like why do you want to be an artist man like you know go get a day job and you know you're going to pay tech.
01:29:42 --> 01:29:47 [SPEAKER_03]: but then that person is motivated by something else, or it could be all kinds of different differences.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is sort of families.
01:29:49 --> 01:29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sorry, but that is so true.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of immigrant families.
01:29:52 --> 01:29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, there you pursue something that is not tangible.
01:29:58 --> 01:30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: My doesn't bring an immediate, you know, material, lifting material value, right, after what we talk about.
01:30:07 --> 01:30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
01:30:09 --> 01:30:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's a, that's a, that is a, a long pattern in American immigration, right?
01:30:16 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, immigrants because as a country where class distinctions were not the same as say like in Europe, in terms of European immigration,
01:30:26 --> 01:30:30 [SPEAKER_03]: you had this ability to reinvent and redefine yourself.
01:30:30 --> 01:30:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah, it's a long, well, well, well, Trot and Path, but they played it perfectly for this episode.
01:30:38 --> 01:30:43 [SPEAKER_03]: In its ironic that they kind of,
01:30:44 --> 01:30:57 [SPEAKER_03]: were a little ham-fisted around the culture in the language, but then they did something, and this was one of my other points, and I was texting you, I was like, yo, watch for the blue barrel.
01:30:59 --> 01:31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, they've been talking about battles.
01:31:02 --> 01:31:13 [SPEAKER_03]: That is this weird little attention to detail where they used somebody did lean into something and into a part of active modern culture.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Except one of the supermarkets that we live near in Brooklyn, there was always these blue barrels stacked up.
01:31:24 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was it, did you tell us to Christina tell us?
01:31:26 --> 01:31:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Christina.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody talked about, like, clue to sin on what that is, is that families will get a barrel and they will pack it with food and clothes and all kinds of other stuff.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:40 [SPEAKER_03]: And then those barrels get shipped.
01:31:40 --> 01:31:45 [SPEAKER_03]: to the family, back to wherever that country, you know, whatever country is.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And specifically in the Caribbean, I think it's a very, very common thing.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, you want to speak to it more at all.
01:31:50 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, you're right on point.
01:31:52 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Very common thing.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:31:53 --> 01:32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Those blue barrels for the islands, you know, people who once a year, every six months, somebody's going, you know,
01:32:08 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean because they're going to bring it for the people, for family members who aren't here, food, clothing.
01:32:15 --> 01:32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The electronics, whatever home, whatever they can, whatever they can, whatever they can, whatever they can, whatever they can, whatever they can, whatever they can.
01:32:21 --> 01:32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: whatever they can.
01:32:22 --> 01:32:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And so we get that little shot of, you know, people walking in and throwing in the barrel throwing something.
01:32:28 --> 01:32:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I got the shirt that doesn't fit in us there.
01:32:29 --> 01:32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.
01:32:30 --> 01:32:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And adding and so there's this cultural richness that not only are we seeing this family come together, but we know that this family is part of a larger culture and a larger community.
01:32:41 --> 01:32:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And that just that one little shot just was like, wow, that's such great detail.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But then
01:32:48 --> 01:32:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we had to have the conceit for the kitchen.
01:32:52 --> 01:33:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I will give them Because we needed to have Yeah, but they could have like yeah, I mean they could have had a bedroom somewhere that he just sees her like gathering stuff together in or something.
01:33:09 --> 01:33:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know
01:33:09 --> 01:33:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
01:33:26 --> 01:33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, okay, so talking about this whole power display, it is two-parter, so on the one hand, it's interesting that they immediately, like the way they reacted, it was like they were like, whoa, whoa, but not like they were surprised he could do this, but just like how could you have, you know,
01:33:45 --> 01:33:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be like if I slapped my sister or something, and my mom would be like, whoa, and it's not like she didn't think I could slapper.
01:33:52 --> 01:33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's that she's like, why did you do that?
01:33:54 --> 01:33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I knew immediately, they know.
01:33:57 --> 01:33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:33:58 --> 01:34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and it just, and seeing the way like,
01:34:02 --> 01:34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: even the, even the doctor was like, uh, kind of urging young Simon to hide it.
01:34:09 --> 01:34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was the stove, right?
01:34:12 --> 01:34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then you like wonder how much they know about that whole fire and just how does that affect the way that Eric treats his brother?
01:34:22 --> 01:34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing this.
01:34:22 --> 01:34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the his whole life like because Eric obviously he's coming across is very judging to me.
01:34:27 --> 01:34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He's no another show so far.
01:34:29 --> 01:34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:34:29 --> 01:34:37 [SPEAKER_02]: years where I'm going to throw a theory out there and John don't react because I know you know how the show turns out.
01:34:37 --> 01:34:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was wondering, I was like, what if Trevor turned Eric into the D.O.D.C.
01:34:42 --> 01:34:48 [SPEAKER_02]: instead of Simon, and that would really be a villain origin story in a way.
01:34:50 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: What I thought of watching this scene, because when he's at the doctor, he's like,
01:34:58 --> 01:35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 12, maybe 13, what do you guys know?
01:35:01 --> 01:35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he a me.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's, it was, is he, is he, is he a me.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The puberty is, which is when, which is when, mute and powers normally manifest.
01:35:14 --> 01:35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the comics at this point, yeah, I mean, I think if they are going to keep
01:35:22 --> 01:35:26 [SPEAKER_02]: him in the MCU because of this unexpected popularity.
01:35:26 --> 01:35:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they will absolutely go that direction because why not.
01:35:31 --> 01:35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But then the Orr is the question that, well, no, because we've already have Kamala being called right.
01:35:37 --> 01:35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not going to be triggered by whatever happens with Doomsday and Secret Wars.
01:35:43 --> 01:36:09 [SPEAKER_03]: At least I think you and I have a similar thing here, the trading scenes where the two guys at the beginning of the episode are quoting at each other, I love that scene so much, it was so great and just it was just so fun and it was just sort of a that that theater kid nerd thing, you know, as they're kicking around, did you look, it looks like you looked up as well.
01:36:09 --> 01:36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you have one more that I didn't know the first one so okay, so when they're trading quotes is came here again second time that Trevor is quoting King there Well, though three king can sleep did play.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, grapes of wrath right John John stand back on the day is
01:36:31 --> 01:36:34 [SPEAKER_03]: with a celliery describing Mozart's music, right?
01:36:34 --> 01:36:38 [SPEAKER_03]: The movie from 1984, and then you have to cover that movie someday.
01:36:39 --> 01:36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other one is that I mentioned here is midnight cowboy, and that's not from this.
01:36:44 --> 01:36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's from that is the movie that they were going to see when they met.
01:36:48 --> 01:36:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
01:36:49 --> 01:36:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just noted that they these are all beautiful tragedies about
01:36:58 --> 01:37:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, various things, but they are all tragedies.
01:37:01 --> 01:37:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm taking that, putting, wrapping my heart and cotton to protect it.
01:37:09 --> 01:37:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, John, do not react.
01:37:11 --> 01:37:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't want to see a look on your face.
01:37:13 --> 01:37:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see nothing.
01:37:15 --> 01:37:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I would, at least you'd I have a look at the open moment.
01:37:18 --> 01:37:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, look at the window, you'll see.
01:37:20 --> 01:37:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm doing.
01:37:21 --> 01:37:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready to burn these last four episodes, just like almost right now.
01:37:25 --> 01:37:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So.
01:37:26 --> 01:37:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
01:37:27 --> 01:37:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I don't know where Pacoima is.
01:37:29 --> 01:37:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I've never heard it, but I first time first time I've heard it.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's crazy.
01:37:34 --> 01:37:41 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, um, for time sake, we're going to go ahead and take a break now and then we're going to jump into episode four door man.
01:37:56 --> 01:38:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back episode four, Dorman, another short episode 32 minutes directed by James Ponstolt and Zeke Nicholson.
01:38:06 --> 01:38:10 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the one, Alicia was like, we got to do it.
01:38:10 --> 01:38:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We got to get four included in this, because this is this pivot point.
01:38:15 --> 01:38:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a black and white episode, but it's not that much far back of a flashback, which I thought was really interesting.
01:38:25 --> 01:38:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Dymar Davis.
01:38:28 --> 01:38:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Dymar.
01:38:28 --> 01:38:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Dymar.
01:38:30 --> 01:38:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Dymar.
01:38:30 --> 01:38:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Dymar.
01:38:31 --> 01:38:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Apologies.
01:38:32 --> 01:38:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Dymar.
01:38:32 --> 01:38:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Davis.
01:38:33 --> 01:38:44 [SPEAKER_03]: A dormant working at the Wilcox Club in Los Angeles, who is exposed to toxic waste from a rocks on dumpster and is transported to a door filled dimension.
01:38:45 --> 01:38:53 [SPEAKER_03]: This gives him the ability to phase through solid matter and for objects to teleport
01:38:54 --> 01:39:05 [SPEAKER_03]: He saves actor Josh Gad, and other club patrons during a fire, the pressed dubs, Davis as door man and Gad hires him as a bodyguard.
01:39:05 --> 01:39:10 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll try to come up with an interesting hook for a heist film, cash grab.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:14 [SPEAKER_03]: GAD decides to cast Davis is one of the robbers and use his powers in the film.
01:39:15 --> 01:39:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Cash crab is a success.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the irony of that.
01:39:19 --> 01:39:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so great only.
01:39:20 --> 01:39:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It just hit me now.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, Cash crab is a success in Davis celebrity grows.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But overexposure and public criticisms take a toll and lead him to alcoholism.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:41 [SPEAKER_03]: During the film of a sequel cash grab too, Davis loses control of his abilities and Gad disappears while passing through his body.
01:39:41 --> 01:39:57 [SPEAKER_03]: With no one able to find Gad, the DODC places Davis underlice, lifelong surveillance, and the Hollywood studios create the door-man clause, banning super-powered people from appearing in film and television requiring actors to sign.
01:39:57 --> 01:40:01 [SPEAKER_03]: contracts stating that they have no powers.
01:40:01 --> 01:40:07 [SPEAKER_03]: My only comment for this, I don't have three things, I just have one WTF, like what was this episode?
01:40:08 --> 01:40:14 [SPEAKER_03]: You guys make it make sense for me, because it was so good, but then I don't know how to put this together.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I love this standalone episode, like it was so cool.
01:40:17 --> 01:40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So, the mythic quest would always have one episode per season that was like this, and they're often the best ones, because it is really, it's a short film inside of a TV show.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So, where did you think of this on show?
01:40:30 --> 01:40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I absolutely love this.
01:40:32 --> 01:40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely love this because it brought up so many questions.
01:40:36 --> 01:40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: for me, you know, the clause that you have to sign, that you don't have powers, you know, that you have.
01:40:43 --> 01:40:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You, so, signing, dropping in so well, and having to sign, you're like, what's this dormant for?
01:40:50 --> 01:40:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:40:51 --> 01:40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So Simon is hiding himself.
01:40:52 --> 01:41:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And it brought me to think of, you know, people, black people who pass as white, fearing, they would be caught.
01:41:04 --> 01:41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, people who were gay and Hollywood and had to hide fearing that they would be caught and never be able to work again.
01:41:13 --> 01:41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: people who were labeled communist or doing the red scare and hot you would and you have to hide if you had certain beliefs in how society should be and just here again you have to hide who you are and Simon is the living embodiment of all of that he's a gifted
01:41:40 --> 01:41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: who can't give everything to the field because he's essentially hiding part of him.
01:41:47 --> 01:41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest part of him, maybe.
01:41:49 --> 01:41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is keeping him from achieving success.
01:41:55 --> 01:42:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is crazy to me that they put this into the show.
01:42:01 --> 01:42:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then watching tomorrow, just go through.
01:42:05 --> 01:42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: being a real cool dude, you know what I mean?
01:42:10 --> 01:42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And the bar owner who tells them, you know, you're the first person who doesn't, who seems happy.
01:42:16 --> 01:42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
01:42:17 --> 01:42:19 [SPEAKER_03]: That this isn't just a stepping stone job.
01:42:19 --> 01:42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't just killing time.
01:42:20 --> 01:42:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just hells.
01:42:22 --> 01:42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, I'm cool, I'm good.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and sometimes, you know, being cool and being good is okay.
01:42:30 --> 01:42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't fault anyone for wanting more.
01:42:35 --> 01:42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes, if you feel like you're in a comfortable place, that's fine too, you know what I mean?
01:42:43 --> 01:42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And his rapid assent, please, you know, just
01:42:51 --> 01:43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: that decline, that he felt, that he went through after such a high, to get so low, that you essentially, you lose just God.
01:43:08 --> 01:43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you lost them, bro, you know, because you just lost who you were.
01:43:21 --> 01:43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: but a DODC, for ever, and they're experimenting on him, not just these locked up.
01:43:27 --> 01:43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This explicitly said, there being, he's made an experimented on.
01:43:32 --> 01:43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, just wow, just yeah.
01:43:39 --> 01:43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That episode has so much, I can talk about that episode for the next hour.
01:43:45 --> 01:44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: which is why I so much wanted this to be a weekly drop because it deserves, you know, a lot of exploration about, you know, so many things in our culture and our society that they're
01:44:05 --> 01:44:15 [SPEAKER_03]: 34 minute 33 minute TV show smart I have to be often like eight minutes.
01:44:15 --> 01:44:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I can wrap up all my points here back to back if you want and then yeah, that'd be great and then I'll do an outro on my own.
01:44:25 --> 01:44:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, fly it.
01:44:26 --> 01:44:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, go ahead.
01:44:28 --> 01:44:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes, so I mean, I did the three points, but two of them are quite silly, and then three of them is kind of tying into this more thematic thing.
01:44:36 --> 01:44:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll run through them together.
01:44:37 --> 01:44:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, one just loved every other whole thing with Josh had was great.
01:44:43 --> 01:44:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, especially him.
01:44:44 --> 01:44:47 [SPEAKER_03]: My wife had to explain to me who he was.
01:44:47 --> 01:44:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't.
01:44:49 --> 01:44:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I knew who he was, but I know he was, right?
01:44:51 --> 01:44:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But you've, I'm sure with the daughter of your age, you watch Frozen Plenty, for example.
01:44:56 --> 01:45:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's been in plenty of other stuff, but specifically, what he did in this episode is he wrapped a song as Ola.
01:45:03 --> 01:45:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So great.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they did, if you don't, like, it's well worth listening to the credits for these.
01:45:12 --> 01:45:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They've all been excellent, but this one, yeah, the second song in the credits was a longer version of his Ola for App Song.
01:45:20 --> 01:45:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I recommend that.
01:45:21 --> 01:45:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I also love that they brought in Mario Lopez.
01:45:24 --> 01:45:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't know how long ago the flashback was.
01:45:27 --> 01:45:35 [SPEAKER_02]: At first I thought, oh, maybe it was like, I don't know, in like the nauties or something, because Mario Lopez does not age.
01:45:35 --> 01:45:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't do that when they were setting it until the end when suddenly it's revealed, like, oh, this was just kind of recently, or, you know, while Simon was already in Hollywood starting its career.
01:45:47 --> 01:45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
01:45:47 --> 01:45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But then yeah, the more serious thing is just that this episode for me was all about this theme.
01:45:55 --> 01:46:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I keep seeing in real life and in media of lionizing people and then getting bored with them and tearing them down.
01:46:02 --> 01:46:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And we see it play out in a single episode and I think that's one thing that really makes this episode great for me that and the lore.
01:46:12 --> 01:46:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So we talk a quick, a quick bit of dark force to mention more before we end.
01:46:17 --> 01:46:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would be appropriate to help people orient to what was going on with Dorman.
01:46:23 --> 01:46:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, all right, John, I have some questions.
01:46:26 --> 01:46:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, go ahead.
01:46:28 --> 01:46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the Dark Forest dimension, this is, we know there's other dimensions of Marvel.
01:46:33 --> 01:46:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We've specifically seen this Dark Forest dimension, especially mentioned in the, the questionably canon Marvel series, like Agent Carter and Cloak and Dagger.
01:46:45 --> 01:46:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And in Cloak and Dagger, they said that the Dark Forest dimension was the home of the Lua.
01:46:53 --> 01:47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: which okay so do you want to tell people what the loa are and if you think that this has any ties with the fact that they've made Wonderman Haitian or am I just I didn't think about that until you just pointed out but the loa part of Voodoo religion and so their
01:47:21 --> 01:47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If you hear about the law, you're talking about Voodoo, you're talking about, you know, Papa, get day, you're talking about, you know, a lot of, it's really just really, um, gods and spirits that guide people in their daily lives.
01:47:38 --> 01:47:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what the law is.
01:47:39 --> 01:47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the dark force being part of the law.
01:47:43 --> 01:47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: in this series, particular, I don't know.
01:47:46 --> 01:47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know how much of cloaking dagger from the series cloaking dagger is to be taken as canon for this MCU.
01:47:56 --> 01:47:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Rob Blackbolt back.
01:47:58 --> 01:48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm like, it's okay, man.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll have to wait and see if they actually do explore that, but that would be interesting if they did.
01:48:07 --> 01:48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not sure if that's the route that they're going.
01:48:10 --> 01:48:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't somewhere in the comics or something?
01:48:12 --> 01:48:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they say no space where Venom and the symbiodes come from?
01:48:17 --> 01:48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, symbiodes are the actual, you know, there's a God called no, who was at the beginning of the universe, the devoid.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And just, no is the emptiness, is the void, is the darkness.
01:48:36 --> 01:48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's he created the symbiodes.
01:48:40 --> 01:48:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I'm going to jump in real quick because I do have a hard out on this recording and we're going deep on some Lori here that I want to make sure before we wrap up today that if at least if you had any other takes on the episode before we we wrap because we can always put some more lore in the part two episode of this.
01:48:59 --> 01:49:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I just wanted to all right.
01:49:01 --> 01:49:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I just really quick run through this?
01:49:03 --> 01:49:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay.
01:49:05 --> 01:49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Just some questions about whether the MCU will choose to tie things together and I know I need to stop holding my breath about them resolving these questions about the afterlife and stuff and how they overlap.
01:49:15 --> 01:49:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But since you brought up the void, Simon specifically changed when we saw the retro wonderman he talks about having been to the void and back.
01:49:25 --> 01:49:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when Simon gets the sides for his audition, which come from that movie, he crosses out from to hell and back and puts
01:49:34 --> 01:49:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So this raises questions because obviously the void is going to be an important place in, um, like the doomsday and, you know, what already is an important place in secret wars and things like that.
01:49:45 --> 01:49:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and then also we've had some confusion in the past, is the dark force to mention, in the, not in the comics and the comics, the dark force to mention the dark dimension or two different things.
01:49:55 --> 01:49:59 [SPEAKER_02]: In the MCU, are they combining them the dark dimension?
01:49:59 --> 01:50:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the dark dimension being where Domoram Dormamu comes from, you know, the Stephen Strange village.
01:50:07 --> 01:50:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:50:08 --> 01:50:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And then could this also, the fact that it has also been referred to as the held dimension and this whole to hell and back thing, could this be combined with night crawlers brimstone dimension, where it which night crawler, the which we know is coming back in doomsday.
01:50:28 --> 01:50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: what about the spotted dimension from spot in spiderverse?
01:50:33 --> 01:50:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering how this all ties together, but I leave you with one thought about this, which is the Josh Gad is in this place that is described as those who enter the dark force dimension without protection feel coldness and in time, lethoji.
01:50:47 --> 01:50:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a cold and empty reality, which appears to have some sentience of its own.
01:50:52 --> 01:50:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's extremely hostile to those who come into it from the outside as it is forced.
01:50:57 --> 01:51:03 [SPEAKER_02]: The outsiders do infinitely live through their worst fears and memories, very often driving them to madness.
01:51:03 --> 01:51:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So if Josh Gadd comes back to us, I don't know in what state.
01:51:07 --> 01:51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know who Josh Gadd will be.
01:51:09 --> 01:51:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say John John, you Say not like They say I don't think he's coming back in this show because The internet said things Okay, fair enough.
01:51:25 --> 01:51:25 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:51:25 --> 01:51:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're going to wrap here.
01:51:27 --> 01:51:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll come back at the end and throw in a little outro, but thank you, John and Alicia
01:51:32 --> 01:51:42 [SPEAKER_03]: for spending some time with us all and we will be back for episodes five through eight shortly after this, but this is a lot of fun and such a great show.
01:51:43 --> 01:51:47 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm glad that we had the opportunity to watch the show and watch it for producing David.
01:51:47 --> 01:51:48 [SPEAKER_02]: My pleasure.
01:51:48 --> 01:51:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
01:51:49 --> 01:51:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
01:51:49 --> 01:51:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
01:51:50 --> 01:51:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, give me the energy I need it.
01:51:52 --> 01:51:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So cool.
01:51:53 --> 01:51:53 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:51:53 --> 01:51:54 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk to y'all soon.
01:51:55 --> 01:51:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
01:52:14 --> 01:52:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, so sorry that we had to cut that episode short so quickly.
01:52:19 --> 01:52:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I had another call I needed to be on and of course it's the lower house so we ran longer than our schedule time but we had a good time and we're really looking forward to episodes five through eight.
01:52:31 --> 01:52:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to watching those episode.
01:52:34 --> 01:52:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So let me give you a quick
01:52:41 --> 01:52:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Coming up for comic versus, like I said, we're going to have one demand five through eight.
01:52:46 --> 01:52:49 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get that scheduled and we'll let folks know in the discord.
01:52:49 --> 01:53:00 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got Daredevil born again, season two in March and they're going to, I believe, Jean and Alicia are going to do some sporadic coverage like they did last season.
01:53:01 --> 01:53:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So keep your eyes down range for that.
01:53:04 --> 01:53:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, on the lower-hound network, John and I are covering the pit every week.
01:53:10 --> 01:53:21 [SPEAKER_03]: We're doing sort of shorter episodes, a little bit more of a vibe, check in kind of thing rather than a full analysis, but both John and I are really enjoying the show and the season is really starting to swing.
01:53:21 --> 01:53:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So, check us out there.
01:53:23 --> 01:53:46 [SPEAKER_03]: A night of the seven kingdoms is our big marquee show right now, and we are doing triple episode coverage in joint project with Steve and Anthony over at proper Lee Howard, and on most nights this I know there's a super bowl thing coming up relative to when we're recording and so that's going to change things a little bit.
01:53:46 --> 01:53:52 [SPEAKER_03]: But basically you can look for an incident take
01:53:52 --> 01:54:19 [SPEAKER_03]: and then a couple days later we're doing the full episode deep dive and then and that usually comes out sort of Monday or Tuesday and then usually around Friday, Steve and Anthony are getting together and they do their own little recap, they answer some feedback, you can send feedback to them, they'll answer any lore questions and whatnot and then they are getting ready for their regular properly Howard movie review season and this
01:54:19 --> 01:54:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Season's theme is the newlywed game, so it's a lot of fun.
01:54:23 --> 01:54:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So go back a couple of episodes in their feed and find that episode.
01:54:29 --> 01:54:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And let's see what else we got.
01:54:31 --> 01:54:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Award season, Oscars, Alicia's full swing on covering all of the Oscars and keep an eye on our main feed for that.
01:54:42 --> 01:54:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And we just launched a new feed for cinema hounds.
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01:54:53 --> 01:55:00 [SPEAKER_03]: We just released an episode on Percy Jackson on both seasons 1 and 2 as a long one shot.
01:55:01 --> 01:55:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And the bone temple episode is coming and it's going to be timed around the digital release probably towards the end of the month.
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