David, Jean, and Elysia wrap up their coverage of Marvel's Wonder Man with the back half of the season, going episode by episode through the finale. The hosts share their spoiler-free hot takes on the full season before diving in, with Jean making the bold case that Wonder Man is the best character-driven story Marvel has told on screen — TV or film. The conversation also touches on the show's pointed social commentary and what the season means for the MCU going forward, closing out with a Pull List of comics to check out next.
Episode Discussion Time Codes:
- Episode 5: 00:20:26
- Episode 6: 00:36:37
- Episode 7: 00:56:29
- Episode 8: 01:21:41
- Jean's Pull List: 01:40:51
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00:24 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to the Lower Hounds and our part two coverage of Wonder Man episodes five through eight.
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, um, guys, can you hang on a second?
00:34 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, can somebody from Crafty get me a protein shake?
00:38 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Great.
00:38 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks.
00:39 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for that.
00:40 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Who else is with me here today?
00:42 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Hi David, I'm Alicia, and now that I've got the right glasses, I'm ready for my close-up.
00:48 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Sweet.
00:50 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and this is, uh, suck by say to all of my de-aspera, English-speaking brothers and sisters.
00:56 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We got some stuff to talk about.
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We get some extra wraps.
01:00 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Get some accents to talk about.
01:04 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:05 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Spoiler warnings ahead.
01:07 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_05]: This is going to be all things MCU or on the table, but like we did for our part one episodes one through four.
01:17 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to silo each episode.
01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're not going to talk about a head of spoilers for this season of this show.
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01:45 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_05]: It helps other people find the podcast.
01:48 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think we can get more or less right into it.
01:53 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_05]: I do not have any construction going over my head today, which is nice.
01:58 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I cannot tell you how discombob, discombob, it just so, it was very disconcerting as the word I was looking for.
02:07 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, to have all that stomping and crap.
02:09 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure I'm sure much more calm now.
02:11 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I otherwise, I think we can get into it.
02:15 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_05]: John, you might have a little bit of a pull list for specific comics to talk about.
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yes.
02:22 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I put that at the end of because what we were talking about in the chat that it feels like a what you want to, you know, the show's done for now, what next?
02:35 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But we can move it back up to the front of you.
02:38 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
02:39 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's best to measure the experts in this field.
02:42 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Super cool.
02:42 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise, we'll talk a little bit about our spoiler-free hot takes for the season or for the back half of this season.
02:51 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, yeah, we'll get into the episode to episode.
02:55 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll take a little commercial breaks in between.
02:57 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'll put the time codes in the show notes.
03:00 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're a subscriber, you can jump ahead, or if you're on the public, it'll be close enough.
03:11 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_05]: What are your broad spoiler free hot takes for the remainder of the season?
03:19 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: For the remainder of the season, for the entire show.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it might as well give it the whole show.
03:24 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, this is a one A to Loki's one for me.
03:30 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
03:32 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I firmly believe this is the best character driven story that Marvel has told
03:41 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_02]: on screen, movie or TV.
03:47 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
03:48 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can come at me.
03:51 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody's welcome to it.
03:53 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But for me, this the story of these two people coming together, the work that they did in these
04:08 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an amazing, amazing story that they were able to tell.
04:13 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really firmly believe that as far as characters make me care about characters, this was probably the best character driven story that Marvel has given to me.
04:29 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Tell me again what what was one be the Loki was one be Loki.
04:34 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Loki.
04:34 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right.
04:34 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I was just a Loki.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_04]: It's one and this is one be yes.
04:38 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
04:39 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
04:39 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
04:39 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So Loki is still on top of this one.
04:41 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but like a micro fraction.
04:44 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's what different reasons, right?
04:46 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
04:47 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Loki's story overall storytelling and how they they jelled so many moving parts to that story and made it compelling and the way that they did was extraordinary.
05:01 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a much more to me, um, scale down, tone down story, but still,
05:09 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: the character development, making you care about two people, the way that they made me care about these two people together, not just separately, but one in to see them both succeed.
05:22 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think I felt any stronger pull for two people in a Marvel series than I have for excitement and Trevor.
05:35 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the challenger, you know, Wakanda forever forever, you know, and what those are, I have different, a different attachment to different characters for those different reasons, right?
05:48 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I imagine, yeah, no.
05:51 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I was so imaginative Ryan Couglar had been allowed to, you know, they had this contract with him to do all these Wakanda based series.
05:59 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I imagine the fee had been allowed to actually see that through.
06:02 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.
06:05 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: What could have been, right?
06:09 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, that's my broad view of this series.
06:14 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That for me, it is the best character narrative that Marvel has.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's interesting.
06:23 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I was conflicted watching the back half of the season about whether or not
06:30 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I think they should have released this as a weekly, as opposed to a binge album because as a podcaster, I wanted the weekly because I wanted that time.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_05]: to take apart every episode.
06:46 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_05]: These are like 32, 36, 34 minute episodes, but they're just packed, do traditionally dense episodes.
06:55 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_05]: And I wanted the time to be able to unpack them, think about the cinematic connection between the music or the episode titles or take apart some of their shot compositions.
07:08 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_05]: But then I really kind of appreciated the binge model
07:13 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_05]: to allow me to enjoy the show at my own pace, especially given the shorter episodes.
07:20 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I could put two together, I could go back.
07:24 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I watched episodes seven and eight while I was having my lunch earlier today so that those episodes were a little bit more fresh in my mind.
07:33 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And I could pack them in really quickly, it was 35 minutes, that's not a binge thing, but that's,
07:38 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that's related to the episode lengths and the season.
07:42 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_05]: So being able to binge it allowed me to approach the show on my own terms.
07:48 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_05]: And I guess that's the example I was trying to do at the point.
07:50 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I can watch it when I wanted to and it was easy to consume when it was all there together.
07:57 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And when I think about these four episodes, it's a 132 minutes of story.
08:03 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And when you think about the story they tell, and the character, like you were saying, John, the way that they had us fall in love with these characters and the things that these guys got up to, that's some crazy efficient storytelling.
08:18 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
08:18 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's an elegant design.
08:20 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, efficiency is elegance, right?
08:22 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just so good.
08:25 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_05]: But then weirdly, this is a goofy bunch of episodes in this season, especially in this back half.
08:33 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_05]: from sort of the drug, well, do I don't want to say that, but that's a five where things keep going wrong, you know, to, to what is it?
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Six is it?
08:45 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I have to look at the list again.
08:46 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, when they're on Boncox House and all of that stuff, it's goofy, right?
08:52 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_05]: But to do something that's goofy, that's not cringy, that's hard.
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_05]: that's really, really hard.
08:59 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And it just goes again to that elegance of it.
09:02 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you think about all of the episode titles, they tie everything together, that they kind of use Midnight Cowboy, the movie as a framework, as an internal framework for the show.
09:15 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.
09:17 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And the music will talk a little bit about the needle drops later.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_05]: So it was just,
09:23 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_05]: it's such a beautifully put together season of television and something else I wanted to note too as I was putting the outline together today and noting the the names of some of the directors a bunch of these directors are women of color.
09:39 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
09:40 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, oh, that's even better.
09:42 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Like that even makes it more fun and more exciting that this story gets to be told by this group of
09:52 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, lean into their careers and hit some amazing home runs and really play with some fun tropes and storylines.
10:00 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, I don't know, Jean, I think...
10:05 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I think this might be my number one Marvel property without question, and then I think it for me, I think it's, I'll say, you know, there's Regency bias, right?
10:16 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think in time, I'll be curious to see, you know, I think it might have clipped Loki for me.
10:25 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_05]: And Loki was head and shoulders above for me in a lot of ways too.
10:29 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_05]: So Alicia, where are you leaning on this great debate?
10:34 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, you caught out there being a lot of women of color behind the camera and I think like, oh, when you have, when you laugh fresh perspectives behind the camera, what do you know?
10:47 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_04]: You get fresh stories.
10:49 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, surprise.
10:51 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Please, please.
10:52 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so for me, this, this is definitely the show is S tier.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I place it alongside.
10:59 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Open, one division and Agatha all along.
11:03 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_04]: These are now my four S tier.
11:05 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I would call them 11s by your definition, David, where they just kind of, they bring something special extra.
11:12 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they, they, they break the format of television to reinvent it.
11:16 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
11:17 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but with some very satisfying heart felt character driven storytelling.
11:24 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
11:24 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I just, I mean, well, I'm no spoilers, but I have to admire, for example, the pacing of the last episode.
11:31 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, oh, gosh.
11:33 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_04]: You get to this law in the episode and you're like, oh, I know this is going somewhere, but for now, which is like, you have a little breathing room, you're like, what's building now and then when it pays off, you're like, oh shit.
11:44 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I just appreciate these as.
11:50 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: works of art crafted by a combination of, you know, stalwart talents, like Andrew Guest.
12:00 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say in particular with Dustin Daniel Kretten is definitely well passed up and coming, you know, he's come, he's up, and then as you say, you know, also,
12:13 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: working with newer talents and giving newer people chances to make their stamp that makes this really original.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, also greets great.
12:26 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just loved that it centers around this romance.
12:30 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_04]: They they called it.
12:31 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Andrew guest called it a rom com.
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm calling it a rom com.
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I like that.
12:36 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's just we see, you know, we see how Trevor calms Simon and how Simon gives Trevor something to care about other than his career.
12:44 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So you see how they really are, they're good for each other.
12:48 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_04]: They're better together.
12:49 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And those are my favorite types of relationships to watch that, that I like to see modeled, but I also just enjoy hanging out with people who bring out the best in each other like that.
13:00 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And our real stalwart,
13:04 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_05]: supporters of them even when the going gets rough there's that scene in episode seven where he's reminding him about his breathing and you're just like oh man like you really feel for these guys yeah
13:17 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_04]: but they still like they still bigger sometimes like a married couple and the fact that this show does that in a way that's not annoying but still isn't deering like oh would you know looking around works like when they're stuck in traffic yeah and they're looking for anyway don't write it for
13:36 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, I just think it's such a great balance because that's also why you believe in them because they're not some false perfection.
13:44 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_04]: They are real flawed people who are accepting each other's flaws and sometimes slightly annoying each other, but at the end of the day, they have each other.
13:53 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
13:55 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_04]: question though.
13:57 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
13:58 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Ed Harris, when we saw him, when we saw, yeah, I built a routine at what was it again?
14:07 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_04]: The Emmys or something?
14:09 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_04]: He had Ed Harris there as his agent.
14:12 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And Ed Harris was cast as a character named Neil Sarayan, and he was supposed to be Simon Williams agent, but it seems
14:20 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the Emmys weren't that long ago, so I'm really curious about what happened there.
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what?
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think about it.
14:32 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think about it.
14:33 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not it.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we have to go down the rabbit hole.
14:37 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: He said he's done a rabbit hole.
14:41 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I waited for him to show up and then at some point, I was like, no, I'm going to look it up.
14:44 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not just like waiting for to see when he comes.
14:47 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, he's not in the present.
14:50 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
14:51 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I did a quick internet search and it does it references the Ed Harris.
14:58 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And X-mail is that how to prepare for announcing her name for Janelle Jackson, who is Simon's agent show.
15:08 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_05]: But they don't, the internet searched the little AI, AI, whatever, overview of the thing that spits back at me, doesn't really go into the details about maybe what it happened so it might take some more time.
15:20 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I did some deeper digging and I can't really find any details about what happened.
15:26 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
15:28 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I will say that, you know, he wasn't this.
15:32 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, for me, it was just because he of that thing at the Emmys.
15:37 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I know.
15:38 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just show up to show up.
15:39 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm glad that I just looked it up and it's like, okay, he's not coming.
15:43 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, never mind.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, all right.
15:46 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I did appreciate Xmao's portrayal though.
15:49 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was fantastic.
15:52 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was pretty good.
15:54 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And she played it straight over the plate, kept it very grounded and real through all of it.
15:59 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And again, I think that, even that element, grounded the season,
16:10 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_05]: In where you've always got this when is the superhero stuff going to start to kick off a little bit here a little bit there, but all throughout it through all the Hollywood stuff all of his interactions with his agents and the casting calls and all that stuff.
16:25 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_05]: it having somebody like Mayo grounding that character and being, yeah, okay, that's what an agent is like, that just helped nail down that corner of the of the canvas for the show.
16:40 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_05]: So I appreciate it all of that.
16:42 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think Ed Harris would have been,
16:45 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_05]: That would have been too big.
16:45 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_05]: That that would have been a little stung cast.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_05]: So much.
16:48 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, he's he seems great.
16:51 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I love him.
16:52 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not the dynamic.
16:53 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw the Emmys was fun.
16:55 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's basically why I was like, Oh, but then, you know, he wasn't there in the first episode.
17:00 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, Oh, he must be some agent that shows him later and tries to steal him or something.
17:04 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_04]: But no, no, I don't know.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And let's say.
17:08 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it means acting in this, like, especially the back half of these episodes.
17:14 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just so rich and good, and the play within a play kind of stuff.
17:20 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's just, his gravity on screen is just so great.
17:24 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he drives your drunken.
17:26 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a, he's a, his presence, he's a, he's a, he's a human being, right?
17:35 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's accessible when, like, you can't listen.
17:37 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't even notice that as much as you guys.
17:40 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but the thing is, I think that's why he's so good.
17:47 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I can say, he's a vulnerability too.
17:49 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I can say he's a huge human being and then you'll be like, I didn't even notice that.
17:54 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, and that's why he's so good at this because I'm looking at his dog notice it
18:02 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking on his filmography and it's just really, I want to say criminally underrepresented, but it's like this man should be, should have like a much deeper bench of title.
18:14 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what?
18:15 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I still go back to life.
18:16 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He's Dr. Manhattan.
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:19 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not knocking any, I'm not knocking any given thing, but I'm counting the number and give what he gave us this epic, the season.
18:29 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_05]: But you can twice the title on his filmography.
18:32 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, even when I watch, when I watch the watchman, you know, he, again, he's a presence on screen.
18:42 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was what, six years ago?
18:45 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So, where is it?
18:50 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_02]: 19, 20?
18:50 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, 21 now.
18:53 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the 19, 2019.
18:55 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we should mention he was also, he was criminally underused as in the DCEU.
19:00 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sorry, no.
19:02 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_04]: As mentor and the alcohol man movies.
19:04 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Black mentor, that's just like, oh, gosh.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
19:08 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_05]: It didn't he show, and he showed up in the Matrix, too, right?
19:11 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_05]: He did.
19:13 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
19:13 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:14 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He was on the new, watch him call it.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
19:18 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And Candyman and the trial, the Chicago 7, that was a good movie.
19:22 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He was green and came.
19:23 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Us?
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:27 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's been, he's, the role thing is God, you know, are my genres.
19:34 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
19:35 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's done amazing work in the roles that he's been given.
19:39 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're right David to say that it's criminal that he hasn't been given more.
19:45 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, maybe this will be the play within a play kind of thing or a real life imitating art and
19:51 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, this will be a breakout.
19:52 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Wonder Man will be a kind of breakout for him as a, as so, Wonder Man was for Simon in the show.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
20:00 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_05]: It can only help.
20:01 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, well, let's take a really quick break.
20:04 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when we come back, we will get into our Fruld spoiler discussion of each episode starting with five.
20:11 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And again, we're going to do three things.
20:13 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we're each going to pick three things from the episodes to discuss and we'll be right back.
20:35 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_05]: and we are back.
20:37 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's get into our discussion around episode five found footage.
20:44 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Did I update the director in the writer correctly?
20:47 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I have Daniel Kretten here, but I might have just not overwritten the thing.
20:52 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe I don't have a least if you can check for me really
21:01 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Slaterly helps Simon, who's already anxious about the call back, celebrate the good news and ignores calls from Cleary.
21:08 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_05]: The pair are cornered by a group of drug dealers that slaterly owns money to forcing Simon to use his powers to incapacitate them.
21:17 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_05]: They spot a young man who is recorded the incident with his GoPro, the two give chase to retrieve the footage.
21:24 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_05]: In the car they read a scene sent by Janelle where Slattery's character sidekick Barnaby betrays Wonderman for a price.
21:32 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_05]: They spot the boy, Jaden, who tells them that he will race the footage if Simon helps him get back his stolen motorcycle from a man named Esteban.
21:41 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Arriving at Esteban's house, Esteban tells them that Jaden is lying and that his group are actually making Chamoy.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what that was before this.
21:50 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe we could talk about that.
21:52 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_05]: The quote unquote drug deal.
21:54 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the real drug dealers arrive and hold Jaden hostage in exchange for flattery, Esteban's friends, help flatterally delete the footage from Jaden's GoPro's police arrive and engage in a gunfight with the real drug dealers.
22:07 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Jaden reconciles with Esteban will Simon and Slider.
22:09 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Like free, flee, they learn from Jenele that the next round of auditions are at Covax House.
22:15 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_05]: and that the auditions have been moved up a day and we have, uh, I see you're typing in the thing here on yachts.
22:24 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_04]: The director is Tiffany Johnson.
22:26 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
22:26 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And the writer is on yet, uh, fuck, right.
22:30 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_05]: But right right and it's a 26 minute run time.
22:33 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_05]: So this is the shortest episode of the I didn't notice how short it was when I was looking at IMDB for the minutes.
22:40 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, what this must be a mistake and then we'll talk about it later, but the end credit song is Superman by the Commodore's and John, what did you think of this episode?
22:56 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I followed the assignment this week.
22:59 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have three things.
23:01 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I have three things for each episode.
23:04 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
23:05 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, just more hydrinks, more trouble, more bonding as they go looking for some more weed.
23:13 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
23:15 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but you get into this trouble and this is like the pity me again, like I said before.
23:23 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_02]: These are the sorts of movies and things that I remember laughing, you know, so loudly and up noxiously with my friends when we were younger watching these films because of those sorts of hijinks that we got into, that sort of trouble that we got into was like being seen on camera, you know what I mean?
23:46 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
23:47 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Can I ask you on that and so I was just thinking because I was just making up as we're doing this, I'm just about to record an episode of really since tonight about the spirit awards preview.
24:00 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I was thinking about one, sorry, one of them days.
24:05 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking that's what a wonderful film.
24:08 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking like it reminds me of Friday, which is a film I loved a lot of 90s and would you would you put this in that category?
24:15 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
24:17 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll put this episode firmly in that case.
24:20 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
24:21 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
24:23 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Friday, one of them things, super bad.
24:26 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
24:29 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_05]: But then it goes even further in sort of the the heist or the deal gone wrong.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And you sort of get
24:37 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_05]: sort of a new country for old men in there, a kind of pulp fiction in there is Pineapple Express was not a movie that did something similar.
24:48 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was literally going to look for waiting.
24:52 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:55 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_05]: No said move was a really great 2021 movie.
24:58 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Sodomberg movie.
24:59 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I love that movie so much.
25:02 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just such a, but then it's goofy, like that's the term that, you know, that's the way that I'd like to remember those years of my life.
25:19 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Whether they were goofy or not, that's a different thing.
25:22 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_02]: hindsight.
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
25:24 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we view it differently as we, you know, distance ourselves from those ties.
25:29 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But just really, it's just, yeah, this bonding that they have to go through, that they're going through as they're trying to get to the place they need to get to.
25:41 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I just left that dynamic in this episode.
25:45 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that the drug dealers were actually bakers, like I held.
25:52 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I was on this so I'm like, man, they're bacon, can't use this, we're taking a move, it's a dope move.
25:59 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Because of course our minds went too.
26:01 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, like, you know, they cooking off some heroin and was, you know, some meth or something, and they're like, nah, they actually, like,
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like good kids being entrepreneurial, right?
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great, it's a great, you know?
26:14 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So that I found that very cool.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And also Treva, he's had a very full life.
26:21 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Even he's lived.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_02]: He has stories to tell.
26:25 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He has a lot of stories to tell, and I'm sure that a lot of those stories are filled with some regrets.
26:31 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And it shows it now he's trying to be more worth Simon.
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Have either of you had Chamoy?
26:43 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I have not.
26:44 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_04]: No, but it sounds like exactly like sweet and spicy gummy.
26:49 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, please, yeah.
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_05]: That's your thing.
26:51 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
26:52 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, savory, sweet, tangy, spicy, Mexican, and condiment made from pickled fruit, apricot, mango, or plum, chili peppers, lime, and salt.
27:01 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
27:01 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's sort of a pasty liquid consistency to it.
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_05]: According to the internet's.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, please.
27:07 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
27:09 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean Disney come on, like, you know, that's some of this up and start selling.
27:15 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Cause they didn't think, they didn't think, they didn't think this was going to be what it was.
27:19 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Or they would have had that marketing out already.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
27:23 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
27:23 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They would have been ready and they obviously undervalued this show.
27:29 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia, I noticed a whole bunch of like little Easter egggy things in this episode.
27:36 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_05]: There was like my friend from a pocket dimension or like when used what wasn't that Simon or yeah was a Trevor was answering the phone.
27:44 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_05]: What was that about?
27:45 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think, I tell me each time if you agree, but I think that he was referring to Morris from
27:54 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we're past the spoilers own.
27:56 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I really want the two of them to come back in Shang-Chi-Tu, too.
28:02 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So Trevor can introduce Simon to Morris because that was, that was Trevor's bromance before Simon.
28:08 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think three of them can be a little family together.
28:12 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_04]: But Morris is like the little creature, the little faceless, winged cuddle creature from Shang-Chi-Tu.
28:19 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what Morris is.
28:23 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I did not see Chong Chi too.
28:25 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I'm sorry, the first one.
28:27 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, there's only one.
28:28 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_04]: First one, I don't know, yeah, I was like two seconds away.
28:30 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
28:48 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I noticed that there was a bunch of movie posters like thrown around all over the place and wasn't there one for Rogers, the musical or was that a marquee or something like that?
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think there's a Broadway set.
29:00 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay.
29:01 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, which we'd break it in and the ways.
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right, the wicked was up there too.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we could do it there too.
29:07 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I just just lots of little fun things like that all the way through.
29:10 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think,
29:13 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_05]: My last thing is the foreshadowing of the portrayal, you know, and the whole scene with Barnaby, and, you know, as it's running its way through, and so they're just doing a nice job of weaving that in.
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_05]: You know that that's what they're doing.
29:31 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_05]: They're not being clever about trying to hide it.
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_05]: It's right there.
29:39 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_05]: but it's just so elegantly placed there that you kind of almost don't notice it?
29:45 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, oh, of course, right?
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when the betrayal happens, you're like, of course, right?
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_05]: It was just there.
29:50 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just really elegant writing and really elegant design of the plot overall.
29:56 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Tom, at least what did you got for the episode?
30:00 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, playing on what Jean was saying earlier about just like the silliness, the whole, like the guy writing around with a stupid GoPro
30:09 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I've worn one before, but like for like zip line here's something not to ride around the city, but I've never want to go for them.
30:17 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I can safely say it, and neither of us.
30:21 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's, and just the whole caper quality of it that the GoPro guy wants to be chased.
30:29 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Clearly, you can see that because it keeps, I was like, how do they keep seeing him?
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_04]: That's to the minion.
30:33 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And then by the end, it's like, oh, he's doing it on purpose to lead them to the secret entrance to a club.
30:40 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So it really feels like this sort of almost Alice in Wonderland type experience.
30:44 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Who's that?
30:45 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, that's a good one.
30:46 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and just the banter between them throughout, you know, I mentioned the traffic thing earlier or Trevor says to Simon, well, you're the tech wizard, you've got all those apps on your phone, like things that's for context of tech wizard, but I guess what I really took away from this first season sequence, the main ago is that
31:05 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: is the amount of control that Simon seemed to have over his powers in that alley fight, which makes me wonder if he's even like going out into the desert to practice or something like that?
31:19 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I noticed that too, but I just, I talked it up to his family knows.
31:27 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure he's had to have some sort of, you know, you have to be in control of your emotions of breaking.
31:36 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, from when he was one of his powers first manifested, so I'm sure his brother, especially was like, yo, you can't, you can't get out of control, you got to push that shit down.
31:50 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't?
31:51 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he was fighting in the alley, I really felt like it's not that he was practiced
32:06 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: and knowing how far to push himself before he gets out of, you know, out of pocket.
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how it took it.
32:14 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_05]: That was one of your points last week.
32:18 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_05]: was that, you know, he's a man who's had to keep a lid on himself with the added dimension of being a large human being and being a large black man in the United States in this concur culture and all of that, those things that entail.
32:35 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_05]: So that he has a finely tuned sense of where his control, his threshold levels are.
32:44 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that would make sense a little bit.
32:47 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Although he was a pretty good five.
32:48 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_05]: I was so little surprised at how good it at Fisticuffs.
32:51 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_05]: He was in the alley, but, you know, I'm not going to nitpick on the show that much.
32:56 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I wasn't surprised.
32:58 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
32:58 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised.
32:59 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He looks like a, because if you, you know, this may be projection, but I can see him and his brother getting into scuffles.
33:10 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fair.
33:11 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I, yeah.
33:13 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And when he's on set by training or something, I would be surprised if, like, by boxing is part of his workout regimen, something like that.
33:21 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
33:22 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
33:23 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot that we don't know about Simon's still.
33:26 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all good head, Canon.
33:27 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I can get into all of that.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_04]: We need more seasons to find out.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_05]: We need more time with that.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_05]: These characters, that is for sure.
33:36 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I also, I liked that everyone in the universe was surprisingly chill about Trevor being the Mandarin.
33:45 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's like, if you think about it in the wider context of this universe, like at least he's not that old.
33:53 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And he has this sort of like like he's a cool villain because I guess especially he's kind of seen as a cuddly villain in a way you know because he turned out to be this actor or maybe not as they later might think but this celebrity allows Trevor to play the mediator in situations but
34:14 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_04]: At the same time, like he is a natural mediator, he is great at especially coaching Simon, but he is also a source of chaos himself.
34:23 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And so we see that all come to a head in this episode where he's calming this situation, but the reason this is all happening is also kind of his fault as well.
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I like the whole Trevor Slattery.
34:38 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Get out here.
34:38 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'd rather not.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll kill your friend, Jaden.
34:42 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Please do.
34:42 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess because I think you can automatically open the video from the GoPro.
34:53 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess just the last thing is an observation about Simon that I'll come back to, I think in the next episode, which is that he's using long order dialogue when entering this motorcycle situation like he's, I don't know what to do, so he reverts to scripts that he's learning in another people in these situations.
35:16 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, so this is something through line,
35:23 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't pick that out.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's, yeah.
35:25 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
35:26 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, and then that another famous script gets used later on in the episode.
35:33 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll get out.
35:34 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
35:36 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, and I guess that kind of makes sense with the alleyway
35:44 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_05]: human beings will tend to fall back on something they they know or trained or experienced with or right have right there and then we've seen these two actors
35:56 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_05]: doing this kind of thing where they're trading lines and, you know, so we know that they've got those facilities right at there.
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_05]: They both have good memories.
36:03 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you got to have a good memory to be an actor.
36:06 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess, you know, to learn these sides and pick them up, pick that stuff up really quick.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So that all makes good sense.
36:17 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, anything else for this episode?
36:24 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, quick break and then we'll come back and we'll get into episode six.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_05]: and we're back.
36:47 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's talk about episode six call back.
36:50 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_05]: This is directed by Tiffany Johnson and the writers are credited as Roja Gash Tilley and Julia Lerman and Andrew Gest.
37:00 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_05]: It's 36 minutes so back to a sort of a normal runtime.
37:04 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, yeah, I was just saying, you know, there's the two ends.
37:08 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you know that if there's an ampersand, like there is between the first two names, that means they're writing pair.
37:15 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And if the word and is written out like before Andrew guessed, it means that he did a separate pass on the script.
37:21 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_05]: God.
37:21 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And he said, okay, I knew that there was some, I know that in the credit, in the world of credits,
37:30 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_05]: encoded things like that, but I didn't know all of the particulars.
37:34 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_05]: So, the in-credit song for this is, I feel for you by Shaka Kahn.
37:40 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_05]: The great Shaka Kahn, and this is Simon and Sliderly Drive to Kovax mentioned for the callback joining the other actors who are in the running to portray Wonderman in Barnaby.
37:51 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_05]: After staying up all night trying to get his, uh, the go pro footage Simon is exhausted, uh, which really, when you pair these two episodes together, it's so great because it's that the falling forward comedy of airs drug purchasing thing gone wrong, but it up against the real life like you got to show up at your job at 9 a.m. the next day to make a sale presentation or whatever.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_05]: So, uh,
38:16 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_05]: uh... covec pairs up the actors and gives them improvisational exercises while slatherly impresses the group Simon falters by recreating the scene from the film pretty won't woman rather than using his own experiences at emotions
38:32 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_05]: He later falls asleep in dreams that he uses his power to kill another actor named Manuel, who calls Simon a freak.
38:39 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Simon confides in Slaterly that he is nervous about exposing his powers, but Slaterly explains that he is more than his powers and encourages him to show the emotions that he's been keeping inside.
38:53 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Simon and Slaterly are paired together and give a performance that
39:01 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_05]: After Simon drives him home, Sattery is picked up by the DODC and berated by Clarie for taking too long.
39:09 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Sattery confirms that Simon has powers and asks Clarie to give him more time to collect evidence on the fact that Simon is enhanced.da.
39:21 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And that was something I think we didn't talk about in the last episode, but wasn't the word
39:30 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_05]: or it's used, they're using some words for the different pow, like, um, I mean, just to say he has super powers basically.
39:40 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, enhance you.
39:40 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's pretty, I suppose, enhanced is kind of generic.
39:44 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you could say enhanced about a super soldier or about, um, a mutant.
39:50 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I suppose you've been about an alien, I don't know.
39:52 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, because yeah, I guess I was maybe confusing myself a little bit in in the MC world with the different kinds of hands or people mutants or, you know, gods or what have you, but we don't have those yet.
40:08 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
40:10 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe that's where I'm just getting, I'm getting wrapped up into what went where we'll see how to how to treat them when we saw something like Egyptian gods and and Norris
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And oh, and we've seen some Greek gods too.
40:25 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_04]: But no, me, and it's not, oh, no, no, no, except for Kamala.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And by Simon, this is all it's not using anymore.
40:34 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_05]: So at least you're one of these guys, or you're the three things from.
40:39 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I, I loved the the triple blind audition date set up of this episode.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's like three pairs together and they're all auditioning together.
40:48 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Like awkward and I like, um, Vanko Vak.
40:53 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just, he's a delightful character.
40:55 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_04]: His whole welcome to my little retreat.
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I call it my prison of opulence.
41:00 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted a home that represented everything.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I both love and to test about Hollywood all at once.
41:05 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's just like, um,
41:07 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_04]: like he's playing, he's always, I don't know, I don't know how he disingenuous he is or how genius he is.
41:16 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's something somewhere on the scale between them and like all of his all of his prompts that he gives like Ali, Trevor is your wife, you hate her, but she's also the reason you want to live and you have an old her hunting injury here.
41:31 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So good.
41:35 --> 41:35 [UNKNOWN]: Good.
41:35 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, this tells Trevor and you squint a lot and you have no eyelashes.
41:40 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_04]: The light is always in your eyes.
41:43 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And it also needs the whole house, which goes wrong later.
41:46 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_05]: But sorry, what are you going to say?
41:47 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I just that Slatko footage.
41:50 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure how to pronounce his last name with the accent on the on his last letter of his name.
41:57 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_05]: There, anyway, that's getting too nerdy.
41:59 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_05]: He
42:00 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_05]: He's so perfect for this character, and he just leans into the crazy, amazing, huge, you know, huge ego, huge hit maker director.
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_05]: He's perfect.
42:13 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_05]: He's absolutely perfect.
42:15 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_04]: because you feel like you don't know, like I want to please him but you never know if he's pleased because it's also another one of my things is like the end when the woman his assistant just leads them into the other room and just stare at them and then walk away.
42:29 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess that didn't go well.
42:31 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
42:32 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the whole performative eccentricity of it all.
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Amused me.
42:39 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_04]: What do we feel about Trevor's awkward
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was good.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay for me.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a yay.
42:50 --> 42:51 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
42:51 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_04]: He was feeling it.
42:52 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_04]: He was so letting himself go.
42:54 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Let himself go.
42:55 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
42:56 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
42:57 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, and then the other thing is just piggybacking, picking back up on what I said in the last thing that where Simon here, he starts quoting pretty woman, which I picked up right away and so did von Kovac, and I don't know why that's such a big movie, I don't know why Trevor wouldn't expect someone in the room to.
43:17 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_04]: to, you know, recognize that, but then he's using this script, but he's trying to do like Trevor with the Trump bone and do something spontaneous, but he ends up throwing dishes on the floor.
43:29 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, he said use the whole house, but I don't think he meant break his stuff.
43:36 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And break my stuff in an inauthentic performance right you know and using it as theatrics rather than a true expression of what was going on even though that this was a you know manufactured thing because he's not he's not in profit right which and this whole thing is just a great
43:59 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, uh, uh, finger in the eye of the improv scene, right?
44:04 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, an improv as a way of life, which is great.
44:06 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not nagging it, but it's just, it's just a funny thing.
44:09 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's, uh, it's such a part of the actor's toolkit to be able to do stuff like this.
44:16 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and we get, you know, the actual explanation why, you know, Simon Kent let go, he only goes through the motions and he says outright later to Trevor, I can't show my underneath the real me will get kicked out of here.
44:31 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sure there's a lot of non-superpowered people in the real world who feel like that.
44:36 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely know I've been there.
44:40 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Just the other observation about the triple blind audition date situation is you get a chance to see and we also in the last episode get a chance to see when they play against other people.
44:51 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_04]: They are not as good as when they're playing against each other in the acting.
44:59 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Like Simon is much more moving as Wonderman when he's against Trevor than when he's against Joey Pence.
45:08 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_03]: You right.
45:08 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, at least to pick up on your point and tie it over to what Jean had talked about last episode, the thing that Simon is dealing with, besides being sort of a self-absorbed LA actor type anyway, that he can't his whole being is wrapped up in suppressing himself, which is creating that in authenticity, which is then stopping him in his career and his
45:36 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_05]: And so here he is, you know, the final test of like, hey, you know, this role that was made for me, he can't get there because of the fact that he's suppressing himself because he's afraid of what's really inside of him.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: afraid of showing it.
45:54 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even afraid of what it is, but just afraid of how he will be received.
46:01 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
46:02 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you must hide your true self and who you really are buried deep inside and put on a face for the world.
46:09 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
46:12 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Which, yeah, and that's an interesting aspect of all superhero
46:20 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_05]: you know at this deeper level versus who you are just trying to be a person in the world.
46:29 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's one of the things that the boys did sort of really amazingly to push that even further you know in the earlier seasons of, well yeah, what if you were just super powered all the time and then you had a corporation and you know and you we created a brand
46:49 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Is all I'm what are you thinking about this episode?
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, wow.
46:54 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Simon falling asleep at the audition.
46:56 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the wrecked his home.
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_02]: with just pure Simon, and I mean that in all the worst ways.
47:03 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like a dude, wow, how did you fall asleep?
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: No, they had a rough night.
47:11 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, but still, oh, oh, not a while of covex.
47:16 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was just, you know, you just sometimes you just want to grab a friend and shake them up and you're like, what are you doing this out?
47:25 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I felt.
47:26 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't necessarily, I'm interested in it.
47:29 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this felt like that, and I was just like, this guy.
47:34 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_02]: The scenes where they were role playing, I thought all of them were hilarious.
47:39 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Each pairing was funny in their own, right?
47:44 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, you know, to be, like you said, just to be thrown in there like that, super awkward,
47:54 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It reveals who you are and what you can be in that moment if you can be spontaneous.
48:01 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_02]: If you can be real, if you can be true, and if you can dig deep.
48:05 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And before he spoke with Trevor, Simon could not do that.
48:11 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't be real.
48:13 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't be true and his head.
48:14 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's just caught up in everything that's going on in his own internal dialogue that he can't get out of his own way.
48:25 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That fake how a punch boy.
48:26 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was real.
48:29 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was real, too.
48:32 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was real.
48:33 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, no, oh, God, thank God.
48:37 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, the question was that guy's name, what was that actor's name been well?
48:41 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, yeah, and he starts calling him out.
48:43 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like What's going on like Okay question show yeah, so I guess we'll talk at some point in the episode about the whole ionic powers of it all But do you would it look like that if he punched through his head like it was like he punched through a sort of sugar candy
49:06 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, not that you mentioned it probably no, because there'll be a lot more blood and brains and.
49:13 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_04]: The same he froze it at the same time that he changed the state of matter.
49:19 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't think that's that's his dream.
49:23 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's that that's being informed by something he might know.
49:27 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So I I wonder if that is a visual clue for the future if maybe that's how his powers
49:34 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever seen one of the man's powers work that way in the comment.
49:39 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_04]: No, but they are definitely doing their own thing.
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, different.
49:43 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing their own thing.
49:44 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So it might be that way in the cinematic universe, definitely.
49:49 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll finally just see him and brace his struggles as a motion and just really digging deep and saying fucking, you know, let me, let me do this thing.
50:04 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he did the thing, it was just like amazing.
50:07 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, to be yourself unfiltered when you're not a terrible human being, it's okay.
50:16 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, to be you.
50:22 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_02]: it's refreshing and it feels good and it feels right and I was just like so happy for him in that moment whether he had gotten the role and not of course you wanted to get the role but just watching him play off of Trevor in that moment and I was just like super happy.
50:41 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_05]: There was something I was just thinking about now was this the episode that had the plan of the apes poster in it?
50:50 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_05]: or was that the next episode?
50:52 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Was it this one?
50:56 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
50:57 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
50:58 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it's this one in covex house and we could talk about that.
51:04 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess in it.
51:05 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wait.
51:05 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_04]: You have it in your notes for the next one, too.
51:07 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not sure which it was.
51:09 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's why I was confusing myself.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It was interesting.
51:13 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it in Trevor Slattery's house or is it in Von Covex house?
51:17 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Because it would mean more if it was in Trevor's house.
51:19 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So I like to think it's there.
51:21 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
51:22 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, well, regardless of where the poster is, we can talk about that maybe in the next episode to be on the safe side.
51:28 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
51:29 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
51:29 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Is the idea that
51:31 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_05]: in several of these episodes.
51:35 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_05]: In a lot of these episodes, we're constantly in other people's spaces.
51:41 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_05]: So here we are at Convogue and Covettes House, we're at Joy Pances House before, we're at the Chamoy Dealers, Candy Dealers, House, we're in all of these different spaces where Simon is sort of outside of his own element in a way,
52:01 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And even, you know, I'm stretching, I think a little bit in this interpretation, but even like being on set is sort of a otherworldly type of experience.
52:13 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know, I'm just liking this idea that this all echoes Simon's personal feeling of always being an outsider wherever he goes.
52:26 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_05]: not only because of what he looks like and it's physical appearance, but also this inner sense of self that he's got this thing that he can't let anybody know about, not only for his career, but also because of the department of damage control.
52:40 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And so this idea that he's constantly in these spaces where
52:49 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_05]: he's not comfortable or he can't, you know, that he has to find his authenticity while being in these spaces.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_05]: I think is an interesting idea.
52:58 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's interesting, you know, we were all saying how we thought that the dream was real when we saw it playing out.
53:04 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
53:04 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's because in his life, his life is so surreal between being professional actor and L.A. M. being a super-powered individual who's hiding it and all the various other things.
53:17 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_04]: He has such a surreal existence that it's hard for him to differentiate and for us his audience to differentiate between what is real and what is fantasy.
53:29 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_05]: which we can take even to this next dimension of which is the fun play within a place structure here of being a movie star right you know you're this you know you know this person you you fall in love with acting at some point in your life and then maybe you gain success and you gain some fame so you're gaining fame for make you know doing this for this job where you're pretending to be
53:57 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_05]: But then you're out in the world and people recognize you and then you have to be performed.
54:00 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_05]: So the whole idea of being performative throughout your life because you've gained success by being performative.
54:11 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of a weird thing.
54:14 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_05]: So, and then there's a informative thing that comes up later in the next episode, which we can touch on when they're in the makeup trailer.
54:21 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, but to your point, I think he's performative.
54:25 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_02]: in his life period, and he's not successful, like his day-to-day existence is performative.
54:33 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:33 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he doesn't get to show himself at all.
54:39 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the sad part of who Simon is up to this point, that he's an actor who performs, but in his day-to-day life, he's performing
54:55 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like every week in moment, he's on.
54:57 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_02]: He's performing every week in moment.
54:59 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's not very lonely.
55:00 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_05]: We didn't do it.
55:00 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Can't say something in the previous episode about what was the quote.
55:06 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_05]: He quoted, he quote something about being able to to perform authenticity is like that's the trick of it.
55:15 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_05]: when they're at Joey Pances house, Joey Pances something about he said something along these lines, which then offends Trevor, because Trevor is thinking about it as art, whereas Joey Pances go in like, it's a trick.
55:30 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_05]: So job.
55:30 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
55:30 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_05]: You just, this is this job, and if you learn how to do that, you can, you know, you can make out like a bandit.
55:36 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_05]: It's right.
55:38 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Right interesting and just throughout the this episode and the other sheet there was wasn't there a credence Clearwater revival song was not like a little nod to the guardians.
55:53 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I Don't remember
55:56 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, this is what, and this is the other thing that drives me crazy about it being a binge because we've all watched it like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that fresh in our minds and we didn't break it down anyway, but I think there's a whole bunch of little, you know, fun in universe Easter eggs stuff.
56:10 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Throughout here, that was one of the things that I thought that picked up for me so.
56:14 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, anything else for this episode.
56:18 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's move on then we'll take a quick break and then we'll come back for episode seven.
56:39 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're back, and Episode 7 entitled Kathy Friedman, which is an interesting title given all the titles of this season, directed by Stella Meggy, and written by Kira Talis, and Andrew Guest, another 35-minute episode.
56:57 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And the end credits song is, when will I be loved by Linda Rondstet?
57:03 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And then this one opens with a cold open that wasn't encapsulated in the Wikipedia episodes inopsis.
57:12 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And so this is
57:14 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Simon's father taking Simon in Eric to school and his father recognizing that, that Simon was feeling uncomfortable and says, hey, oh, you know, you're feeling a little sick, wink, wink.
57:28 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's go out and hang out as his father and son a little bit and go see a movie and they go see Wonderman.
57:34 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And so that they're using these cold opens throughout the season to, I think really smartly overall.
57:40 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but we jump forward to filming for Wonder Man and Simon struggles to be personal with the crew and to communicate his thoughts in the script and is helped by flattery.
57:53 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Janelle informs the pair that the New York Times journalist Kathy Friedman is going to write a profile on them, terrifying.
57:59 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Simon who describes Friedman as a character assassin who could discover and reveal his secret.
58:06 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_05]: He becomes paranoid after learning that Friedman talked to Vivian Martha and Eric about him.
58:13 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_05]: That's his ex, his mother and his brother Vivian reveals to Simon that she knows he has powers, but she didn't say anything to about them to Friedman and then during the Friedman interview with Simon and Slaterly Simon is surprised to learn that Eric spoke highly of him.
58:36 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_05]: What government deal he cut to avoid returning to prison, prompting him to walk off, confronted by Simon, slaterly confesses the truth of his deal with the Department of Damage Control to spy on Simon, but promises that he'll find a way to get out of it.
58:53 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_05]: upset and overwhelmed.
58:54 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Simon goes to the Wonderman, goes to a Wonderman sound stage and unleashes a large explosion that destroys the set.
59:03 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Capulom.
59:05 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_05]: This was the, I think the emotional heart of the season, right?
59:10 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_05]: He always is where everything comes together and everything turns.
59:14 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I love
59:16 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_05]: the conversation with Vivian and how straightforward she is with a man, how efficient that conversation was.
59:26 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And in this acknowledgement that I did love you at one point and I still think well of you, but our our time is over.
59:34 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_05]: just really appreciated how that was all written that Eric spoke highly of him and was proud of him in his way, which, you know, family members, you can squabble internally, but, you know, out facing out to the world, you know, we, you know, we protected each other, we tried to look
01:00:02 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, so it's like we get these two heartwarming scenes and then we get the
01:00:08 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_04]: the ugliness that we know is coming right you know it's it's so they they give us these warm fuzzies and then they hit us with the with the betrayal which they've been foreshadowing all season long okay here's a question so you brought up the cold open about Simon and his dad and so we see in that cold open that wonderman it's not only it's about Simon's connection with his dad but it was also a way that he escaped from his bullies
01:00:35 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And then so his dad was his safe space.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think his mom is a safe space, but not I don't think he has the same pure openness to her that he did to his dad.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't get that sense.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And I wonder if Trevor is his first connection like that since presumably his father passed away.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's interesting.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_05]: They can relate to each other and they've built such a friendship.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_05]: But you know, and that's the interesting thing, right?
01:01:11 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Is this that Trevor already knows or, you know, he's, he's been primed to know.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he knows knows.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not like somebody else in Simon's life who would be completely like, whoa, what is this thing?
01:01:27 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Like Trevor kind of sneakily already knows.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And so he's able to deal with it in ways that somebody else in Simon's life wouldn't.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas Vivian knows because she lived with him and loves it, right?
01:01:43 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think, yeah, when Simon realized Vivian knew and didn't say anything the whole time, I think he realized like that was a moment of like he's lost her, but he realized he lost a real one, you know, that it was probably underestimating her.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Although it was totally Ikki the way he was showing off for her, like because he doesn't, he doesn't know how to be himself, it's even around someone he was with for a while and living with, you know.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe this her knowing was like a wake up call to him that he needs to trust the people in his life more.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll make this point when we talk about the last episode sort of in the last scene, too, is that both Trevor and Simon are very self-absorbed people.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And they see that in each other and are into it with for each other.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, Vivian at some point was like, and in your right, at least that when he starts going on about the set and the costume fittings and all this stuff, he's being that self-absorbed person.
01:02:53 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's ever, and it's
01:03:06 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_05]: bought the rights to severance and now it's under their creative control and production control as opposed to another studio come another company coming that was making it on contract they now own it so that'll be an issue anything other companies are EPs now right and I think they said something about going for four seasons maybe five but for for
01:03:37 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, side note, that's it, don't leave it.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_04]: But severance is canon and the MCU, no?
01:03:43 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_04]: It is.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_04]: The right.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's a movie I was interested in, and Christopher Nolan, and George Joseph Gordon, Levitt, and Levitt.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_05]: That's good.
01:03:52 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Good job, Chad, and show a shot on the rhymes, like, which is a ghost to your thing, John earlier, about this sort of being like the studio.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And playing that internal Hollywood game.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I really always keep forgetting the name of that other show that got canceled.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_05]: That had a franchise.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, franchise.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm so mad that got canceled.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_05]: That was so good.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And I liked it.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I liked it a lot.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, this was just such a
01:04:23 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_05]: it's such a good episode.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_05]: It's the penultimate, too, right?
01:04:28 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_05]: And so it really is where we have to turn and where Simon has to confront his selfishness.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And but also realize that he's loved.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_05]: He has been loved, he is loved and he's a mutant or whatever he enhanced person which makes
01:04:51 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's, it's all super interesting.
01:04:55 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Should we talk about the plan of the apes poster here since we weren't sure where it necessarily is.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Alicia, do you want to set it up?
01:05:04 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I mean, I, I, I tasted a scene in here.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you, when I clip it at all, but, um, basically, from Shang Chi, Trevor is talking to Katie and Shang Chi, and he's talking about the first time I witnessed pure artistry, 1968, planted of the apes.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I was sitting in the cinema next to my mom, watching the mastery unfold before my very eyes after the film I asked her.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_04]: How did they get those monkeys to do those things and she padded me on the head and she said, it's not real pet, it's just acting.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_04]: That's when I knew.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_04]: If they can teach those monkeys to act, that brilliantly, just imagine what I could bring to the world and young chief says.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So you became an actor because you thought the monkeys were actually trevers as writing horses?
01:05:50 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I did.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And when in fact, they were simply acting as if they were writing horses.
01:05:55 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I still can't get my head around it to be honest.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Such a great, great scene.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we were this criminal mastermind to be such a don't, sorry, Jean.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's no, but then the symmetry with him and his mom and the theater, and we have Simon and his dad and the theater.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_02]: cute at this is where to see that spark light up in Simon's eyes and you get that affirmation from his father saying you can you can do it you like you are really awesome right and and travel feeling that way even though his mom didn't say that but just being in her presence making him feel safe enough to think that he could do it the symmetry between those two moments
01:06:47 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_02]: it guess I thought it was just great story telling you when I keep rolling into your yeah sure sure
01:06:59 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Seeing Simon so afraid of what the people who love him were going to disclose to the reporter, that was so effin' sad man.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the terror in his eyes and his face, his continents, just when he thought about, oh
01:07:24 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he spoke to who, like, oh boy, that guy has so much to unpack.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a terrible thing that you have to go through to find yourself, to find just center.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But the fear that he had, I don't think he was, I think he was more afraid in that moment than at any point in the series to me, it was just gut-wrenching to see him in that way.
01:07:55 --> 01:08:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then he tries to show on Kathy Freeman that he's not a asshole, that he's not a stuck up movie star and every time that he tries to
01:08:05 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: He just proves that he is, and it's not because he's a terrible person, but it's just because he puts a barrier wherever he goes.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't, anyone gets close and the way he doesn't get close is by literally keeping them at an arms length and not knowing their names, not knowing what they're interested in.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: show a different side to the reporter, but it's impossible because there is no different side.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_02]: This is who you are.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: This is who you've had.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You have been.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And, um, chaos, just remarkable to see him play off the other people on set.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And so obviously fail at trying to be human.
01:08:56 --> 01:09:04 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the tire size that the boy interaction that he was trying to carry on with that A.D.
01:09:04 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I necessary to tell you.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I necessary.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why?
01:09:08 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:09:08 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a great Icelandic film about slime.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, row.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_02]: This is painful.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not good.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not good.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And lastly, pops.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So I really want to know who
01:09:25 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Who was the hasten dialect coach?
01:09:27 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: What did they get the person?
01:09:28 --> 01:09:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Did they have one?
01:09:30 --> 01:09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You need one.
01:09:32 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you can call me up, you know what I'm saying?
01:09:35 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Please, Fiji, I'm here for you, bro.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Because this was yet another very poorly received by Moa attempt at speaking Creole.
01:09:51 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Was it any better though?
01:09:52 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_04]: It sounded a little better to me.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_04]: At least more consensus.
01:09:55 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: In spots in spots, yes, in spots.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Enough of the accident was off to throw me off, but it wasn't all the way like the entire conversation with with mom was right, which is rough because this is this pivotal moment in.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you want that tenderness and that connection and that bitter sweet of his father, what for whatever reason, why he passed away.
01:10:30 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_05]: but he's not there to see his son's success.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, dreams and, yeah, come to fruition.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was really rough because I wanted to light pops.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Pops is likable.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We're pops.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, seems like a good dad just.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:45 [SPEAKER_02]: He's making it.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:46 [SPEAKER_04]: They're not really from Haiti.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_04]: That's my goal.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:10:58 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's my last thing, just the accents, man.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: We got to get better with that.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They were even more in, and they were even more in Black Panther to, and so in the scenes that were in Haiti, they were not good either.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they need help.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And the money given the attention to detail, so many other things, you think that that would be something that was just happening.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_02]: They need help.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They need help.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_05]: There.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia, you want to wrap us up on this episode?
01:11:31 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so just picking back up on what I was saying earlier about Simon, having, like, Simon of two things, first his connection with Trevor, maybe being the first of this kind since his dad.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:49 [SPEAKER_04]: and also his showing off to his girlfriend.
01:11:49 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_04]: We also see him showing off on the set.
01:11:51 --> 01:11:59 [SPEAKER_04]: We see him, you know, I like when a story doesn't pretend that you get over one of your flaws immediately.
01:11:59 --> 01:12:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Like this is something that's part of you for a reason.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a crutch or whatever it is.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he goes back to this on the set where he's going into diva mode.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: He's like,
01:12:10 --> 01:12:13 [SPEAKER_04]: being very showy about his bromance with Trevor.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Like does everyone know that we're best friends?
01:12:17 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's also starts falling into his old habit of onset self-sabotage.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Like we saw with American horror stories.
01:12:25 --> 01:12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Until the moment we're on Kovac, is actually like he's one, like you don't play with him.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Because he will, um, he's like, oh, I will see you.
01:12:35 --> 01:12:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And I will raise you entirely rewriting the script.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So Trevor steps in and like saves Simon and Ivankovic from themselves with this simple solution.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So the dynamics between the three of them were great.
01:12:49 --> 01:12:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish we had just so many more episodes in this season alone.
01:12:53 --> 01:12:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Let alone my hope for future seasons because I can just like this is a kind of show.
01:12:59 --> 01:13:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I would gladly have like a 20 episodes season for, you know, just 20, 30 minute episodes, where we just get to hang out with all these characters.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, Monday night, APM, my view, sitcom.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly, exactly like Abbott or something, you know.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but yeah, and I, there is, so there's some, there's some more depth.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_04]: They're poking at some things here that I don't know that Disney will allow them to poke at in the near future more, but we'll see.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But the whole, like, bringing up Alan Delis and, um, talking about Soviet quote, unquote, brain warfare where you control the mind, control the narrative, and you control the public.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, basically, as the Mandarin calling the,
01:13:50 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it just, yeah, calling the entertainment industry, the indoctrination factory, it just reminds me of the whole, the way the DODC just wants a body, like a body is a body, just trying to fill the prisons.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:08 [SPEAKER_04]: It's very on-brand, on points.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll just say that, and leave it there.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we can, I don't know, I feel like we should say a little bit more
01:14:20 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_05]: you build the prison and they will come.
01:14:24 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:26 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
01:14:27 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And that you gamify the capture of people to fill these warehouses that are being purchased with American tax dollars.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:42 [SPEAKER_05]: That is just deeply antithetical to.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:43 [SPEAKER_04]: What I thought America was.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we have a lot of what I was taught it was as And I was okay.
01:14:51 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what could yeah, I know say as a white girl little girl, but I was a white little girl who was In some situations in my life, I was the minority.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I was the only white girl.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:03 [SPEAKER_04]: So I did
01:15:03 --> 01:15:18 [SPEAKER_04]: have a occasion to listen more earlier in my life, but definitely I was sold certain visions and they do not involve building prisons to fill them up with for the sake of filling a bright exactly.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Nor what this country could be at its highest aspirations versus what we have in our real history.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_05]: and parts of our history that we should not be going back to.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_05]: We learned, you know, those lessons should have been learned and we should not be, that should not be behavior that we're engaging in, again.
01:15:38 --> 01:15:40 [SPEAKER_05]: That's clearly, clearly, that's true.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And patient people, education, do you undermine it?
01:15:45 --> 01:15:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, so, good boxing that up.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so, but it's important to like not totally touch with our values.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's an important moment in the show.
01:15:56 --> 01:16:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it is proper for them to... Oh, don't put politics in our show.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:03 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, yo, politics right there.
01:16:03 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and I think in the storytelling that we're getting in the MCU and what is possibly to come, I think that statement is going to mean a lot, you know, because this world that we have,
01:16:20 --> 01:16:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We've already had a superhuman registration act, right?
01:16:26 --> 01:16:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you have the government, basically saying, we're gonna build prisons.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have prisoners yet, but we anticipate getting some.
01:16:37 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you have Dorman who is being held instead prison until never, ever getting out.
01:16:45 --> 01:16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And they explicitly said they're experimenting on him.
01:16:49 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, this is very firmly in in line with what the stories that the MCU is trying to tell if we get a mutant Saga then this is going on from the tangent if we get.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to go there too if we get a mutant saga that's a very big part of
01:17:15 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_02]: the mutants in Marvel universe, the discrimination and the unfair treatment and the criminalization of just simply being you.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is an important part that shouldn't be overlooked because that line isn't really going to mean a lot.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Door man is really going to mean a lot going
01:17:43 --> 01:17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But those two things in this series, not only to get us to talk about, you know, and compare in our real world, but also because I think the stories that are coming down the line are going to touch on a lot of these things.
01:17:59 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I was going to say the same thing about the mutant saga, allegedly, that's what's coming next as far.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, we know they're making an X-Men movie.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty much what's on the plate and my biggest thing about being nervous about this.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:20 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we'll see obviously there is shake up right now at Disney in the leadership.
01:18:20 --> 01:18:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we'll talk about that more in our second breakfast, but we'll see what the new leadership brings, but Iger was making me really nervous that he was going to back away from these themes.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: This show was, again, filmed a couple years ago, and I don't know that it would have been allowed to broach these subjects like this, although they did allow it on television with these lines.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's great.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Because these themes are essential to the mutant saga.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, yeah.
01:18:49 --> 01:19:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, in a portion of superhero storytelling, or any storytelling where, you know, any fantasy or sci-fi story genre story, where
01:19:03 --> 01:19:23 [SPEAKER_05]: somebody is more than what they appear on a surface level in society is always about the question of being gay, being neurodiverse, being a black or Asian or what have you in a world that disfavors those things, right?
01:19:23 --> 01:19:25 [SPEAKER_05]: That's part of the superhero storytelling.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:30 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's inherently
01:19:30 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_05]: representation and being authentic and being safe in a world to be yourself, right?
01:19:38 --> 01:19:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:19:39 --> 01:19:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so don't, if you're going to do the mutants saga, make sure you do it right, because most of us have been watching this until recently, since the 90s, you got it at least
01:19:54 --> 01:20:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, at the end when the interviewer calls Trevor out, you know, as being having been arrested when he came back, I presume, by the way, when he was arrested and he landed, I guess he was returning from China, from Shanchi.
01:20:14 --> 01:20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: right.
01:20:15 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they got him as he re-enter the US, but yeah, so she brings this up and obviously Simon's noticing this and it's creating suspicion.
01:20:25 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_04]: But why didn't Trevor tell him that he destroyed the bug?
01:20:30 --> 01:20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He did.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he did.
01:20:32 --> 01:20:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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01:20:52 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_04]: He did.
01:20:54 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_05]: And again, the tension of like, oh, I wish we had week to week coverage.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So that we, you know, and in retrospectively, we could have broken it down week to week, but then that would have just been a big thing in our all of our lives, because we're, I don't want to get into it.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I mean, listeners at home wouldn't like that, because I don't think they want to watch it once.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're right there.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that right?
01:21:14 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's, it just really breaks our model as in what we do as part of it.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:19 [SPEAKER_04]: They can be the podcasters.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, they never think of the podcasters.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if that's it for seven, let's wrap up the season with episode eight after the script break.
01:21:48 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_05]: And we are back and we're going to wrap up season one mini series season two fingers crossed a wonder man episode eight yucca valley
01:22:01 --> 01:22:12 [SPEAKER_05]: directed by Stella Meggy and written by Andrew guest 35 minute runtime in credit song everybody's talking by Harry Nilsen and we'll talk about yeah, yes We'll talk about that.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and this is kind of a part two cold open was Simon and his father So after they go see the Wonderman movie they go out to have a bite and Simon's father tells him that he believes in him
01:22:27 --> 01:22:30 [SPEAKER_05]: and that he has a special gift for acting.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And again, this was captured in the summary.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:45 [SPEAKER_05]: So the official Wikipedia episode synopsis starts out as Simon returns to his apartment, assuming that he'll be caught, Trevor calls him to apologize and say that he's got a solution.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Trevor revives his manager in persona and publicly claims responsibility for the explosion.
01:22:51 --> 01:23:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Cleary knows that it's Trevor, and that he's just taking the blame for Simon, but goes along with it, because the DODC needs more prisoners to justify their expensive Yucca Valley, California, prison, following Trevor's arrest on co-vac and cysts that they continue filming until Simon to use Trevor's betrayal for the scene where Wonderman is betrayed by Barnaby.
01:23:16 --> 01:23:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Wonderman is finished with the with Joey Pants, Joey Pentell, Yano, taking over the role of Barnaby and the film is a success, Eric says he's proud of his brother, Janelle tells Simon that he's now has pick of the roles that he wants to take next.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we cut scene and we see Simon shadowing somebody that turns out to be a DODC guard and using the guys of making a new film doing research about him.
01:23:49 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_05]: This gives Simon access to the DODC prison.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Just as clear he discovers that Simon's powers use ionic energy.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:08 [SPEAKER_05]: and poses to his boss that Simon could be an asset, Simon then uses his powers to break a trigger out of prison and fly away with him.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Most romantic ending ever.
01:24:13 --> 01:24:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you guys know what was going on when they cut scene to the Simon with with the guard in the small town?
01:24:27 --> 01:24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think everybody else figured it out when they were driving in the car.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I figured it out when the thing that triggered me as soon as he said, like, oh yeah, and all you can come to work with me.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I was like, oh, he works at the DODC, doesn't he?
01:24:49 --> 01:25:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, that was that was what I was referring to at the beginning when I was saying about it's just in case anyone didn't know about the pacing that they just they slowed down and did this, but they first well they earned my trust and it was also interesting and I was like,
01:25:15 --> 01:25:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Simon kind of portrays him, but then Simon also jumps up a boatload of money in his lap.
01:25:20 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So are we sad for DODC, guard guy?
01:25:23 --> 01:25:26 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a blinking you'll miss it seeing, too, about the money.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, he can, he can, is sandwiched between a couple of things and, and it took, when I watched it the second time, I was like, oh, he did do that.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Like that shows, uh, it's a great character moment for Simon, right, to, to say that he's like a, a good guy.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not going to screw his knife over.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:25:43 --> 01:25:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Jean, or Alicia, did you have some more points that you wanted to wrap up with?
01:25:47 --> 01:25:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Wrap up, I guess I haven't started.
01:25:51 --> 01:25:59 [SPEAKER_04]: No, yeah, I just think that again, we got the other cold open with his dad and that's his father telling him acting is his calling.
01:26:00 --> 01:26:08 [SPEAKER_04]: You can see that that's an extra thing that's driving Simon above his own ambition is just, you know, my father thought this is the thing that I should do.
01:26:09 --> 01:26:11 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's kind of living with the ghost of that.
01:26:11 --> 01:26:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.
01:26:14 --> 01:26:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I love to the little cameo montage they did where I guess some of them like I don't know why Trevor puts Josh Gad in his Mandarin reveal montage but for some reason he did and then we see all the people we've seen throughout
01:26:31 --> 01:26:34 [SPEAKER_04]: the season reacting to it as well.
01:26:35 --> 01:26:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So they brought everything full circle in a way that just was a light touch, but it was enough.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I still remembered all those people like the Chamori guys.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously Joey pants comes back yet again takes Trevor's role.
01:26:51 --> 01:26:56 [SPEAKER_04]: They're
01:26:57 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and we just see that like Simon gets everything that he wants, uh, he, he has even the original wonderman glasses, you know, um, he's got his brother crying at his premiere of all things and then he is still it's just nothing.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:32 [SPEAKER_04]: because there's no Trevor, you know, there's Andrew Guest said in an entertainment weekly interview, we knew it was always going to be about these two narcissists who for the first time in their lives put somebody else in front of their own needs.
01:27:33 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And as, as the Mandarin put it himself, and you never saw me coming.
01:27:42 --> 01:28:02 [SPEAKER_05]: That was actually one of my key points was this idea that these two broken people who find each other and in their relationship, they can find some wholeness, and they actually do something that each do a selfless act for the other.
01:28:03 --> 01:28:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, yeah, that plays exactly to what you're saying from that article that these guys are sort of selfish, self-absorbed, Hollywood actors.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And through each other, they discover the ability to live your life for somebody else.
01:28:25 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And where that can take you in your life and what that can give you in terms of quality of life.
01:28:32 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_05]: So, and I think, isn't that the, I have not seen midnight cowboy, which is crazy.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, but I've never seen that.
01:28:40 --> 01:28:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I know.
01:28:40 --> 01:28:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:28:41 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen it a few times in a documentary about it that was, uh, it was nominated for probably a spirit a couple of years ago or something.
01:28:48 --> 01:29:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I have a pretty fresh in my mind and it does thematically fit quite well with this where, uh, obviously, we have you guys have pointed out the size difference before that's also a big thing in that movie.
01:29:01 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, they sort of Trevor is very similar to the Dustin Hoffman character and sort of being the fast talking one who's kind of managing situations.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:30 [SPEAKER_04]: and Simon's kind of the talent, luckily not in a prostitution way, in this case, but it's a, I mean, can I spoil the end of Midnight Cow, a cowboy, they actually already spoiled it in the first episode.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But this is why it was worried because it ends with Dustin Hoffman's character dying.
01:29:37 --> 01:29:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was very relieved when instead Simon got to live his jetpack dream.
01:29:44 --> 01:29:47 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got his own hands on a self-jetpack thing going on now.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't even think about the jetpack thing for Wonderman.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:52 [SPEAKER_05]: That's totally on that's totally on point.
01:29:52 --> 01:29:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:29:53 --> 01:29:53 [SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
01:29:53 --> 01:29:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Flying off into the sunset.
01:29:55 --> 01:30:00 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's just they're going to be seen as villains now, which is actually it makes appropriate for Simon.
01:30:00 --> 01:30:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say, because he kind of started out on a more violent time before.
01:30:04 --> 01:30:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:30:06 --> 01:30:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:30:06 --> 01:30:10 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, kind of a more sympathetic villain because he was like trying to save his family.
01:30:10 --> 01:30:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I just really desperately need them to continue from here.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_05]: And that the song that we go out on our credits on the credit in credit song is everybody's talking.
01:30:26 --> 01:30:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And that is the key song from midnight cowboy, which is the movie where they met, yeah, where they first met watching a thing.
01:30:38 --> 01:30:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's songs by artist Harry Nilsson.
01:30:41 --> 01:30:42 [SPEAKER_05]: So.
01:30:42 --> 01:30:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I loved all the little like industry things.
01:30:45 --> 01:30:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But first of all, I just have to throw one more last vankovic out there, vankovic is them out there.
01:30:52 --> 01:31:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He says, when he's telling Simon, you know, how to prepare for his role is like giving him all these very real solid notes like use, as you were saying, you know, like use this pain of betrayal, you know, in in scene.
01:31:05 --> 01:31:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he has to add, and you had a dream last night that your mother was cooking a whole piece of your stuff.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to see what that inspires, like a confusion, but maybe that's actually appropriate for this scene.
01:31:19 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_04]: So...
01:31:21 --> 01:31:28 [SPEAKER_05]: It's very sort of avant-garde filmies, sort of a racer-heady in some ways.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:29 [SPEAKER_05]: It's very funny.
01:31:29 --> 01:31:39 [SPEAKER_05]: I think my favorite font co-backism was, let's think about how we might top this film, even though the sequel is.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:31:40 --> 01:31:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course.
01:31:41 --> 01:31:43 [SPEAKER_04]: We would never know.
01:31:43 --> 01:31:44 [SPEAKER_05]: We would never know.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:45 [SPEAKER_05]: We would never know.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:47 [SPEAKER_04]: We would never know.
01:31:47 --> 01:31:48 [UNKNOWN]: We would never know.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody's talking, they're talking, he's talking, he's talking, he's talking, he's talking.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I know Joey Pants is also talking to you now.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:54 [SPEAKER_04]: He's talking about me.
01:31:54 --> 01:31:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like good.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to eat, right?
01:31:57 --> 01:31:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you're paying, right?
01:31:58 --> 01:31:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And I liked also about the tennis ball thing, because that is a real thing where a lot of actors in these superhero CGI movies are literally forced to talk to tennis balls.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_05]: and wear tennis balls or ping-pong ball suits, yeah, it's been wild.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:37 [SPEAKER_05]: One of the things I really enjoyed last episode, well, I guess this is really this episode, is the whole Mandarin thing that they're able to use the Mandarin, and if you've never seen anything else, they tell you everything you need to know the season about who the Mandarin is and what's going on.
01:32:37 --> 01:32:47 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're not part of the bigger, if you're not following the broader stories, you're perfectly fine with this and you understand that it's part of something else.
01:32:47 --> 01:33:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So the editing on that and the throughline for it that they could see a way to fold it in, I thought was really elegant and really smart and it adds a great dimensionality to the story.
01:33:07 --> 01:33:22 [SPEAKER_05]: about why that was one of my favorite little bits of this episode was not the connectivity to superhero costumes and authenticity and the original versus the new remakes.
01:33:22 --> 01:33:27 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I don't like the way they're doing the Starship design and new track.
01:33:27 --> 01:33:33 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I like the old Starship, you know, whatever, you know, we nerds will fight endlessly over this kind of stuff.
01:33:33 --> 01:33:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.
01:33:34 --> 01:33:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's part of our fond that's that's all good.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:45 [SPEAKER_05]: But what caught my intention was the costumer who was bringing the glasses choices to him.
01:33:45 --> 01:33:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's like, oh, yeah, I reached out to a buddy of mine at this other studio who was able to track it down and we were able to pull the actual pair, you know, there.
01:33:56 --> 01:34:26 [SPEAKER_05]: on a movie set or a television set more probably on movies but certainly to degree on television shows I would imagine I would assume from what little I know of the industry and having been behind set a few times is that there's a million different little miracles that happen every day and that this dude who will never get credit for that he'll
01:34:27 --> 01:34:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Brought a level of creativity to that aspect of that person's job that made a difference for that performer to be able to make that difference on screen, to make that difference for us and the audience, to feel something and to see something.
01:34:46 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And even though it's a tiny little detail, and people may not, maybe other podcasters would notice, how did you see they got the original glasses,
01:34:58 --> 01:35:04 [SPEAKER_05]: But the fact that we would feel the effect of the actor or feeling connected in that way through the performance.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:05 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just great.
01:35:05 --> 01:35:12 [SPEAKER_05]: So you think about all the zillion things that have to happen on a set every day to get a project a completion.
01:35:12 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_05]: It's insane.
01:35:13 --> 01:35:17 [SPEAKER_05]: The amount of time and effort and creativity that goes into it.
01:35:17 --> 01:35:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I just really like the fact that they were able to,
01:35:20 --> 01:35:30 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, indirectly nod to the, all the work that all the people behind the camera are doing, that are never going to be recognized for the work that they do.
01:35:31 --> 01:35:37 [SPEAKER_04]: It reminds me of in, um, prey, they, so they, they wanted to get the pistol back.
01:35:37 --> 01:35:39 [SPEAKER_04]: that from Predator 2 and use that.
01:35:40 --> 01:35:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And so one of the like the prop master, whatever I can't remember who, but because again, as you say, this person gets forgotten, but he was like, OK, how am I going to recreate this?
01:35:49 --> 01:35:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's going on YouTube looking at this recreation specialist.
01:35:53 --> 01:35:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And he sees the original gun on his display shelf behind him.
01:35:58 --> 01:35:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, Oh, my God.
01:36:00 --> 01:36:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they were able to get it, you know,
01:36:02 --> 01:36:05 [SPEAKER_04]: rent it or whatever to use in the movie.
01:36:05 --> 01:36:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
01:36:05 --> 01:36:06 [SPEAKER_05]: That's very cool.
01:36:07 --> 01:36:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just tongue the little stuff like that.
01:36:09 --> 01:36:11 [SPEAKER_05]: John, uh, final words.
01:36:12 --> 01:36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's just everything that we we spoke about, you know, Joey pants is a snake.
01:36:18 --> 01:36:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, um, we got one of my glasses in all.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and you know,
01:36:26 --> 01:36:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I just love that he was the anti Sam Wilson aka Captain America, you know, for those who
01:36:36 --> 01:36:46 [SPEAKER_02]: often wonder of my disdain for Sam Wilson in the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Captain America in Captain America, Brave New World.
01:36:47 --> 01:36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Isaiah Bradley, who was the original one of the original
01:36:57 --> 01:37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Once they deemed that he was too much of a risk to be out here doing super-soldier stuff as a black man in the 60s He gets falsely accused yet again.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Captain America, Sam Wilson, it's close friend.
01:37:18 --> 01:37:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell them, don't worry, just go to jail.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll get you out.
01:37:23 --> 01:37:25 [SPEAKER_04]: What?
01:37:25 --> 01:37:26 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no.
01:37:26 --> 01:37:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Just trust the system, dude.
01:37:28 --> 01:37:29 [SPEAKER_04]: The system that's tortured you.
01:37:30 --> 01:37:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And the opposite happened with Simon.
01:37:35 --> 01:37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, under no circumstances, and I'm going, am I going to let Trevor and Joe for something that I know he didn't do?
01:37:45 --> 01:37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way I'm going to let that happen.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And whatever I got to do to get him out, I'm getting my boy out.
01:37:56 --> 01:38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And that filled my heart with all sorts of gooey feelings.
01:38:04 --> 01:38:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it, I love that, and I love that they chose to.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:17 [SPEAKER_02]: and Captain America came out after this was shot.
01:38:18 --> 01:38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not even sure if they knew of each other story tellings and these two different shows and movies or whatever, but just the mere fact that you had this black man saying, now I'm not gonna let this system do that to my boy and you have another one that's firmly wrapped himself
01:38:41 --> 01:38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: white and blue and say, trust the system, just that dichotomy is going to be interesting to follow.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:52 [SPEAKER_02]: in the for in the MCU.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:53 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what nervous.
01:38:54 --> 01:38:55 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I know this.
01:38:55 --> 01:39:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Why you said they're going to be looked at as villains and absolutely they will be and I can see Sam being at the forefront of trying to capture these chronicle villains.
01:39:09 --> 01:39:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm looking very much looking for it to more storytelling because there's a lot of stuff.
01:39:15 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_04]: This civil war, the Avengers movie, or sorry, it's not an Avengers movie, it's Captain America technically, technically, but it's an Avengers movie come on.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:34 [SPEAKER_04]: But it was about Captain America and Iron Man going head to head on a similar question.
01:39:34 --> 01:39:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And in this iteration, there would be no Captain America to stand up to Iron Man in that way.
01:39:42 --> 01:39:43 [SPEAKER_04]: It's Sam Wilson.
01:39:44 --> 01:40:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, kudos to this TV show for bringing all of this to the forefront and making me think about all of these possibilities that can happen going forward and just giving me something that I just want more of more Trevor more Simon.
01:40:08 --> 01:40:12 [SPEAKER_02]: better Haitian speakers, but give it to me.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Please, you know, great show.
01:40:17 --> 01:40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
01:40:19 --> 01:40:19 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:40:19 --> 01:40:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, thanks everyone for hanging out with us on this podcast.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I
01:40:28 --> 01:40:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Boy, I tell you it was the biggest surprise to discover that this was such a quality show and it just made me very happy that it wasn't just another mushy, like, what is this off character thing down here?
01:40:41 --> 01:40:45 [SPEAKER_05]: But that it was, it wasn't even just decent.
01:40:45 --> 01:40:48 [SPEAKER_05]: It was exceptional S tier, as you said, Alicia.
01:40:48 --> 01:40:49 [SPEAKER_05]: So, that's great.
01:40:50 --> 01:40:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Jean, did you have some comic books that you wanted to shout out?
01:40:54 --> 01:40:58 [SPEAKER_05]: You got a poll list for it.
01:40:58 --> 01:41:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So, if you want more one-to-man stuff, this is really old stuff, right?
01:41:06 --> 01:41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Avengers issue 58, even an Android can cry, which shows, I think Alicia and I, we spoke, the three of us spoke about how in the comics, Vision, and Simon will often look that as brothers,
01:41:25 --> 01:41:32 [SPEAKER_02]: entire brain wave was based on Simon Williams in the comic books so it's a very interesting story.
01:41:33 --> 01:41:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Simon Williams is not in the story, but it explains their connection.
01:41:38 --> 01:41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you have Avengers issues 151 to 153.
01:41:41 --> 01:41:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This is when he first comes back from the dead and he size firmly on the side of being a superhero as opposed to villain.
01:41:51 --> 01:42:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, West Coast Avengers, um, I would say issues like 42, start at issue 42 maybe, and at issue 70, because that shows, um, and I'm not talking about each comic book has, um, this story, but it's, it's an overall story and, and West Coast Avengers between that
01:42:20 --> 01:42:24 [SPEAKER_02]: starts and where it goes and you know what they mean to each other.
01:42:24 --> 01:42:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And Alicia also marked vision and scholarly which volume what is that volume two.
01:42:30 --> 01:42:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah volume two issue two is uh that's one for some reason it comes into my head a lot because it's uh it's a good one when I think about Simon's relationship with his brother I think about this and I recommend you know like
01:42:44 --> 01:42:55 [SPEAKER_04]: vision and scarlet which volume two over all that is one of the absolute classics from the 80s and that's where like the Billy and Tommy are born and stuff.
01:42:55 --> 01:43:03 [SPEAKER_04]: So definitely recommend the whole series, but we see here how there's this kind of a love from
01:43:03 --> 01:43:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Eric for his brother Simon and but also wrapped up in his anger and his lack of acceptance that his brother has changed as a person as what his values are and he's joined the Avengers.
01:43:18 --> 01:43:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah that tension I think of it's the first thing that I think of when I think about the two of them as brothers.
01:43:25 --> 01:43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then also West Coast Avengers 1 through 4 is a limited series shows him, you know, in Hollywood, Nina stunt double, but also going and becoming a member of the West Coast Avengers, which is, you know, pretty big in his lore as well.
01:43:44 --> 01:43:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last thing I would recommend is Avengers 2.
01:43:48 --> 01:43:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Wonder Man in the Beast.
01:43:49 --> 01:43:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a limited series, three issues.
01:43:52 --> 01:44:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But it really goes into detail about Simon and Hank McCoy, the Beast, who's an X-Men, who's a mutant, and how their friendship blossoms.
01:44:02 --> 01:44:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to say this parallels between Simon
01:44:06 --> 01:44:18 [SPEAKER_02]: and Trevor with Simon and Hank, but it is a very rich relationship that they have in the comics, Simon Williams, Wonderman, and Hank McCoy, the Beast.
01:44:19 --> 01:44:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So that is a cool series to explore their relationship.
01:44:25 --> 01:44:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So those are the things that I would recommend.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Right on.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:30 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:44:30 --> 01:44:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for that.
01:44:31 --> 01:44:36 [SPEAKER_05]: So what else is coming up for comics versus it's going to be a busy year for you guys.
01:44:36 --> 01:44:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the thing that I'm sorry to interrupt.
01:44:39 --> 01:44:39 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're good.
01:44:40 --> 01:44:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the stuff was written in the late 70s, 80s.
01:44:45 --> 01:44:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the some of the dialogue is a little cringe.
01:44:48 --> 01:44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:44:49 --> 01:44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:44:49 --> 01:44:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying you guys.
01:44:50 --> 01:44:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm first.
01:44:51 --> 01:44:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Then folks know some dialogue is a little cringe.
01:44:54 --> 01:44:55 [SPEAKER_02]: People can handle it.
01:44:56 --> 01:44:59 [SPEAKER_05]: So what you guys got there and up coming up?
01:44:59 --> 01:45:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're dead of a born again.
01:45:01 --> 01:45:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Season two starts airing March 4th.
01:45:06 --> 01:45:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we do I have the year drive the wrong data.
01:45:09 --> 01:45:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the 26th, that's 20.
01:45:11 --> 01:45:32 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
01:45:32 --> 01:45:35 [SPEAKER_05]: It's March 24th, 2026 and 2024.
01:45:36 --> 01:45:39 [SPEAKER_05]: That's where I got to get a four transpose there.
01:45:39 --> 01:45:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a tomb.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I just looked at that was March 4th, 2024 must be the premiere date of season one.
01:45:46 --> 01:45:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
01:45:47 --> 01:45:50 [SPEAKER_04]: But okay, March 24th is when it starts.
01:45:50 --> 01:45:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we'll we'll see what their release schedule is and everything and figure out what else is going on, but we'll definitely be doing sporadic coverage on that.
01:45:59 --> 01:46:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:46:00 --> 01:46:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And I saw a spider noir dropped a date and a trailer today.
01:46:06 --> 01:46:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's in me.
01:46:08 --> 01:46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:46:09 --> 01:46:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We will be covering that because it's in this cage and a spider man and we'll hey.
01:46:14 --> 01:46:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll I don't think.
01:46:15 --> 01:46:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
01:46:17 --> 01:46:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Super girl coming out as well in June June.
01:46:20 --> 01:46:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
01:46:20 --> 01:46:21 [SPEAKER_05]: That looks exciting.
01:46:23 --> 01:46:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't.
01:46:25 --> 01:46:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I saw the Mandalorian and Grogoo thing on the Super Bowl ad, and I was like, what the hell is that?
01:46:32 --> 01:46:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not a trailer, which is so nice.
01:46:37 --> 01:46:40 [SPEAKER_04]: They were doing like a parody ad, but it didn't work.
01:46:41 --> 01:46:46 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't work for a lot of people, and I don't think that that was the best way to start.
01:46:47 --> 01:46:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know that that kind of it was a little cringey when it's talking about cringey.
01:46:51 --> 01:46:52 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what it was going to do to me.
01:46:52 --> 01:46:56 [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, that said what else do we got going on?
01:46:56 --> 01:47:04 [SPEAKER_05]: We John and I are covering the pit weekly and then of course we have our joint project with properly Howard to cover a night of the seven kingdoms.
01:47:04 --> 01:47:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia, you guys just had your
01:47:06 --> 01:47:11 [SPEAKER_05]: was that episode four coverage out the other day?
01:47:11 --> 01:47:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:47:12 --> 01:47:15 [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, and I just really, really quick.
01:47:15 --> 01:47:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:47:16 --> 01:47:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Episode four was like, that's the episode of the year so far.
01:47:20 --> 01:47:22 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like going to be up in the episode of the year.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's it's one of my top three.
01:47:26 --> 01:47:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Game of Thrones episode of IP episodes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've battled of the bastards.
01:47:34 --> 01:47:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, not it.
01:47:36 --> 01:47:36 [SPEAKER_04]: That's fair.
01:47:37 --> 01:47:38 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
01:47:38 --> 01:47:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd have the length.
01:47:43 --> 01:47:43 [SPEAKER_05]: word.
01:47:44 --> 01:47:46 [SPEAKER_05]: So we're doing three episodes a week for that.
01:47:46 --> 01:47:50 [SPEAKER_05]: So Sunday nights we're doing instant takes.
01:47:51 --> 01:47:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And then usually a sort of Monday or Tuesday, we have the proper episode coverage.
01:47:57 --> 01:48:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And the proper, so coverage is not improperly how it's right.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to get to that as I guess.
01:48:03 --> 01:48:04 [SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
01:48:04 --> 01:48:11 [SPEAKER_05]: And then on the on Fridays, usually Steven Anthony do some feedback and some sort of recap at the end of the week.
01:48:13 --> 01:48:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And
01:48:13 --> 01:48:28 [SPEAKER_05]: feedback are on the properly Howard feed so you've got to go subscribe to that to listen to those and then episode coverage is in our main feed and our side feed too for all the Game of Thrones type of stuff.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Alicia, how is the Oscar's season proceeding?
01:48:33 --> 01:48:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I am one movie away, two movies away from finishing my best picture top 10.
01:48:37 --> 01:48:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Or, you know, watching all top.
01:48:39 --> 01:48:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Which two are left?
01:48:40 --> 01:48:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Hamlet.
01:48:41 --> 01:48:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:48:41 --> 01:48:44 [SPEAKER_05]: And Marty Supreme and my wife went to watch Marty Supreme.
01:48:44 --> 01:48:46 [SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to do that together and she was like, I don't care about that so.
01:48:46 --> 01:48:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm going to put that one out.
01:48:48 --> 01:48:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope they got otherwise hamlet.
01:48:49 --> 01:48:55 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not, um, I was nervous to watch it and I actually, I quite like it.
01:48:56 --> 01:49:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I've been doing my top 10 rankings a few times and they do like the top and the bottom stay the same, but in the middle it's been shifting around a lot.
01:49:04 --> 01:49:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think there's a lot of
01:49:06 --> 01:49:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Good movies that bring different strengths and Hamna is in there in that middle bit that shifting around a lot for me.
01:49:12 --> 01:49:35 [SPEAKER_04]: It's Yes, it's sad, but it's like I knew what the sad thing was going in and I was surprised how late in the movie that happens It's actually, you know, there's like a whole life lives before that But there is you know toughness of the life and of the realities of childbirth and things like that Very sad year in the Oscars in terms of parents and children stuff
01:49:35 --> 01:49:40 [SPEAKER_05]: when he was like three or four movies in the year that are all like real hard hitters, you know.
01:49:41 --> 01:49:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's true.
01:49:42 --> 01:49:43 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of kids stuff.
01:49:43 --> 01:49:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I didn't even watch if I had like I would kick ears.
01:49:46 --> 01:49:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, not have it, but I don't have a watch that yet.
01:49:49 --> 01:49:53 [SPEAKER_05]: And so you're doing a whole bunch of coverage on that.
01:49:53 --> 01:49:55 [SPEAKER_05]: You're covering the shorts and the music.
01:49:55 --> 01:49:58 [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to do that with Mark from Never Run The Music and you got some other stuff.
01:49:58 --> 01:49:58 [SPEAKER_04]: That'll be fun.
01:49:58 --> 01:49:59 [SPEAKER_05]: The last
01:49:59 --> 01:50:04 [SPEAKER_05]: You've got some other Oscar death racers to help you out on a couple of things.
01:50:04 --> 01:50:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And the new and I will get together at the end and we'll talk about our opinions of the best picture nominees.
01:50:12 --> 01:50:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And this weekend is the independent spirit awards.
01:50:17 --> 01:50:21 [SPEAKER_04]: It airs on YouTube on Sunday at 5 p.m. Eastern time.
01:50:21 --> 01:50:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And so right you and I will talk about scheduling, but right before or after this episode goes out, there will be a preview for those awards.
01:50:29 --> 01:50:38 [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to know what's nominated and follow along, we'll be doing another live watch chat on the award season channel on the discord on Sunday.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Cool.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_05]: That sounds great.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, you had a Percy Jackson one shot come here.
01:50:43 --> 01:50:44 [SPEAKER_05]: That was fun.
01:50:45 --> 01:50:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:50:45 --> 01:50:47 [SPEAKER_05]: That's out on the feed now and bone temple.
01:50:48 --> 01:50:48 [SPEAKER_05]: What's up with that?
01:50:48 --> 01:50:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Something happening.
01:50:49 --> 01:50:51 [SPEAKER_04]: We're waiting for the digital release.
01:50:51 --> 01:50:52 [SPEAKER_04]: We decided at this point.
01:50:52 --> 01:50:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It was best to time it around that because that should be coming within the next.
01:50:56 --> 01:50:57 [SPEAKER_05]: few weeks.
01:50:57 --> 01:50:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:50:58 --> 01:50:59 [SPEAKER_05]: That's good.
01:50:59 --> 01:50:59 [SPEAKER_05]: That's good.
01:51:00 --> 01:51:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Also on the network never mind the music.
01:51:03 --> 01:51:12 [SPEAKER_05]: They just had an episode out about haem or you know covering a haem song, which is a, I'm saving that podcast for like going when I go for a walk or something like that when I get some exercise.
01:51:13 --> 01:51:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Radioactive Ramblers should, they were just finishing up their coverage of a fallout season two and I think they had like a preliminary thoughts and I think we're waiting for their final coverage for that.
01:51:25 --> 01:51:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, uh, not in the network, but friend of the Laura Hound's captain's pod, if anybody who's into the Star Trek stuff, if you're not watching Starfleet Academy, you should be, because it is a slammer.
01:51:41 --> 01:51:53 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not S tier, but it is digging into some stuff in a really fun and cool way, and they're really flipping over the apple cart in the best possible way of playing with the Star Trek IP.
01:51:53 --> 01:51:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And my mom's even trying to get me into it and she's not a trekkie.
01:51:57 --> 01:51:58 [SPEAKER_05]: No, we go.
01:51:58 --> 01:52:03 [SPEAKER_05]: The Ian and Danay have been doing a great job covering the episode.
01:52:03 --> 01:52:07 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not like from a nerdy way, but like in a really lore-houndy kind of way.
01:52:07 --> 01:52:18 [SPEAKER_05]: And in fact, I'm going to talk to them, and I think tomorrow we're doing a mid-season check-in, and that'll be out on our feed sometime over the weekend, probably, just to get their thoughts on the season so far.
01:52:19 --> 01:52:21 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's everything on paper.
01:52:21 --> 01:52:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I should hate this show.
01:52:24 --> 01:52:43 [SPEAKER_05]: but it's actually charmed the pants off me so you know that's go check it out it's it's we need charm right now we need a lot of charm you're a lot of it so so give us season two of Wonderman that's exactly right but first you want to read us out to Alicia
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