Electric Bookaloo crossover: George RR Martin & Edgar Allan Poe

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[00:01:11] Hi everyone, Alicia Wolschiff dust here for a special Halloween crossover episode with Maester Anthony of Electric Bookaloo. Electric Bookaloo, a house of the dragon podcast, is a lore nerd deep dive into everything a song of ice and fire.

[00:01:28] Going chapter by chapter through the books and episode by episode through Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon to analyze and understand all the intricate cultures, politics, and character development.

[00:01:38] Anthony regularly also has guests on to talk about things related to this world, and I was so lucky to be one of them this autumn. We had a great conversation about Poe's influence on George R.R. Martin with stories from Martin's career and writings

[00:01:53] and about the influence of specifically Ed Grail and Poe's story The Fall of the House of Usher on that world.

[00:01:59] Keep in mind that we had this conversation before the Netflix show had been released, so you'll hear a speculate about the show a bit but we hadn't seen it yet.

[00:02:08] Now that I have seen the show and loved it by the way, you can expect a complete breakdown of all the ways Poe's stories were woven together to create Mike Flanagan's version later this week.

[00:02:17] I recorded the episode last night with my sister and we had a lot of fun. You might gain some amusing insight into my family life growing up, but that's not the only Fall of the House of Usher episode I've recorded.

[00:02:29] Watch out for my discussion about the show with Jon to land on the Lorehounds feed soon, and you can already find my and Dead Eye, Dead Eye Bob's reading of The Fall of the House of Usher and the Raven with full audio effects in the book club.

[00:02:42] I snuck in a little preview of that last one to this episode. Anthony had included an excerpt of Christopher Lee reading part of The Fall of the House of Usher which you should check out on his feed if you're interested, but I went ahead and replaced it with my reading of that exact part of the story to give you a little taste of the book club version.

[00:03:00] You'll find links in the show notes to the Electric Bookaloo podcast for all the song and ice and fire fans and to the book club for anyone who wants to hear the rest of that episode with The Fall of the House of Usher reading.

[00:03:12] And yeah, enjoy our chat and I'll see you back here later this week for more Poe and our special Sisters Do Horror segment. And I said, what is written, sweet sister, on the door of this legended tomb? She replied, Ullulum, Ullulum, tis the vaults of thy lost, Ullulum.

[00:03:33] Don't worry, you'll understand in a few minutes why I chose that poem. So, Alicia, I reached out to you thinking that maybe we could talk about some parallels of some of the stories that you know better than I do. Parallels between those stories and Game of Thrones.

[00:03:54] And you suggested that we do something agar-allon Poe related. Right. As you can probably tell by the darkness of George RR Martin's writing, he does have a very strong sense of the word.

[00:04:06] He does have some Poe influence growing up, which yeah, you can see in iconic parts of his stories. And I thought that was a great thing to discuss around this time of year. Yeah, yeah. So it does not come as any surprise to me.

[00:04:21] We know that he influenced in a few ways by Lovecraft and of course, why not reach into the godfather of classic modern horror at Gal-on Poe? So I'm not a huge Poe aficionado.

[00:04:38] You know, I have read a few of his short stories and what you suggested to me was that maybe we both reread, follow the House of Usher and talk about some parallels between that story and Game of Thrones.

[00:04:56] So I've reread that and I'm kind of shocked that there's so much here to discuss. Yeah, also just a little background is that yeah, Martin has come out in several occasions and stated that he is a fan of Poe.

[00:05:12] You know, he helped fund a bust that's currently in a library in Boston for Poe.

[00:05:18] And he a few years ago, he told a story in a speech where he said that he got an assignment in high school to rewrite the end of Poe's story, The Pit and the Penchalm. And so spoilers for this story.

[00:05:33] But it ends with a last minute saved which he of the guy who's in the pit having the pendulum about to slice him open rats ready to eat his entrails.

[00:05:42] But he saved to the last minute because the Inquisition ends and Poe, sorry, and Martin thought that that was wholly unearned.

[00:05:48] And so he rewrote the end of the story so that yeah, he it slices him open and the rats eat him and he dies and he says the entire class cheered.

[00:05:57] And that was one of the early signs to him where he's like, I don't know maybe there's writing things kind of cool. So this is kind of a something of an origin story of George as a writer. Yeah, exactly. That's fantastic.

[00:06:10] So that's general. But why the House of Usher is well, first of all, there's going to be a Mike Flanagan Netflix adaptation coming out.

[00:06:17] And that's and I'm going to be covering it on my podcast will shift us where I'm actually going to do a special episode with my sister who I grew up watching horror with. And I've seen that it's a very loose adaptation.

[00:06:30] But yeah, it is one of his most iconic stories and I can definitely see the parallels in it. Like I'm curious to hear what you thought but you know places like Harren Hall, the twins obviously. Yeah, I do want to talk about that.

[00:06:43] I just want to say real quick in praise of Will Shift Dust, I really did appreciate your coverage during silo. Oh, thank you. And in many ways, I appreciated the you know I was not a book reader of silo.

[00:07:00] So to have the companion podcast was really really enhanced my experience of that show. Anyway, you guys had a great job with that. Thank you so much.

[00:07:14] I ended up having to do a deep dive into the history of Harren Hall as soon as I finished reading this, which we should probably discuss at some point.

[00:07:22] But before we do that, I thought I could just lay out a few broad brushstrokes of the story and maybe we could fill in some of the gaps after I do that. Okay.

[00:07:38] So this is a story that was published in a series and do correct me if I get this wrong. This is a story that was published in a series of segments published more widely in the monthly paper. I'm not sure if I want to call it a magazine.

[00:07:59] Yeah, I mean, it's like early literary magazines, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was this was often how short stories were published in 1839. So this is 1839. And I think it was a series of four parts of a short story.

[00:08:18] The basic idea is that the main character is returning to a childhood friends house and this particular childhood friend, Roderick Usher is the inheritor of this great mansion. And so he this guy comes from wealth, but his family seemingly has some kind of curse hanging over it.

[00:08:43] And so he remembers his friend in his boyhood friend, you know, full of life and he arrives and he realizes that the house is sort of doing damage both psychologically and physically to both his childhood friend and the friend's sister Madeline.

[00:09:02] And when he arrives at the property, the property really feels cursed in a way. And then he goes inside of course nothing. Nothing changes his view.

[00:09:16] His friend just is just convinced that he's going to suffer the same curse that the rest of his family has suffered and his sister seems to be further along in her. I don't know, ailment.

[00:09:33] You know, she's sort of wasting away and she seems to be closer to death than the brother. And then I don't know, I'm not sure how much more to say about this but

[00:09:45] Yeah, I guess if you haven't read the story, you know, it maybe take 20 minutes to read it and you can get a free PDF on many different websites. It's only like 10 pages or something. Right.

[00:09:59] So you could probably pause the podcast and go, you know, read that 10 page PDF. It's just a fantastically wonderful, very, very descriptive story as you would expect from the great Edgar Allen Poe. But it ends with a punch.

[00:10:16] But I feel like we should talk before we talk about anything else.

[00:10:23] Talk about kind of the setting, the world that's created by this first segment of the story, which I think probably does point us in the direction of Martin or at least Martin at least is consciously including homages to this setting. Right.

[00:10:46] I was thinking here and all and I'm glad that you mentioned here and all because it affirms what I was thinking.

[00:10:52] Yeah, because here and all stands out amongst, you know, all of the buildings in the world of a song of ice and fire as the one that yeah it just something feels wrong about it just gives people a bad feeling. Right, right, right, right.

[00:11:06] Not just its lack of luck but just something icky.

[00:11:10] So I wanted to read this little section here and see if see if this struck you as interesting about the whole mansion and domain there hung an atmosphere peculiar to themselves and their immediate vicinity, an atmosphere which had no affinity with the air of heaven, but had reeked up from the decayed trees

[00:11:36] and the gray wall and the silent tarn, a pestilent and mystic vapor, dull sluggage, faintly discernible and leaden hewed. So I draw that out because it almost feels like there's this heaven and hell duality happening. Right.

[00:11:58] And it's kind of like in the story and it almost feels like if you're living on the earth and you're breathing the air, you're a creature of heaven of course hell is not too far away below your feet but in this particular place, the atmosphere is not coming down from heaven it's coming up from hell.

[00:12:17] That's kind of the sense I got from that paragraph. Right. What do you think?

[00:12:22] I guess it's linking to whatever this they call it a dungeon spelled I guess this 18th century way, D-O-N-J-O-N where yeah and this is again we're in the spoiler territory where once the sister passes away they store her body and they're creating this sense of dread connected with that sort of makeshift crypt.

[00:12:45] And for me that seems like the point of the story that I wonder, of course you know she comes she gets back up at the end and she appears all bloody and I guess we can assume it's a reliable narrator.

[00:12:59] He sees her so that must have happened but that could be medically possible but I do wonder if this is one of those stories that's in that realm that I was taught in literary college was the fantastic which is where it's not neither confirming supernatural elements or not.

[00:13:16] And maybe the sickness comes from within from you know that just the sickness of this I know they're going to play up this part in the Netflix adaptation that it's about like the sickness of this family and their clinging to money and power and what they'll do for that.

[00:13:36] And this is something that Martin does a lot in his work in that when he first introduces something that has a magical property it doesn't smack you in the face as hey there's something supernatural happening here.

[00:13:49] It kind of almost disguises itself as is this psychology is this superstition you know there might be an is this literary illusion.

[00:14:01] You know you when you first encounter something like this in Martin's world, you think well there could be a lot of explanations for this magic isn't necessarily the only way to explain what's happening here.

[00:14:15] And I almost feel like in maybe he borrowed that from Poe in this story it's it's very much a psychological and physical condition that may or may not be related to kind of some hell, hell born curse or something.

[00:14:32] I mean I guess you see that in a lot of horror as well but it's sort of a slow burn into the horrific here. But I feel like I guess maybe you see it in a lot of horror because a lot of horror also pulls from from Poe.

[00:14:47] I mean of course there were other you also cited Lovecraft earlier but I don't think he's quite doing the same thing with you know he has that they also they both explore that sense of dread.

[00:14:57] But Poe is really looking at the familial connections because you know he had a very complicated family life himself becoming orphaned at a young age and raised by parents who never officially adopted him and yet a tumultuous relationship with them throughout his life until his foster mother also died.

[00:15:19] So he's he's writing from a place with a lot of familial strife himself and pain.

[00:15:26] So I want to talk about the family element here because I'm really you know I'm halfway through reading rereading clash right now and I'm really getting the sense that repeated over and over and over in Martin's world is this in world sensibility.

[00:15:46] That you can predict what someone will do by looking at their family inclinations. Right OK it's like it's like ironborn are always going to act like ironborn so why why think that the on is any different.

[00:16:06] Or you know lannisters are always going to be greedy above everything else. Right why try or phrase are always going to be self serving and cowardly and you know whatever it almost feels like Targaryen's are always going to conquer right.

[00:16:24] That's the kind of the feeling I get from Martin's world. Yeah especially with a character like Sansa where the question becomes well is she a tully or is she a stark. It's not you know is she going to be your own person.

[00:16:37] Right right and I think it's a very old sensibility. I live for a couple years in Central Illinois and I've lived all over the world.

[00:16:47] I've lived in Canada and Zimbabwe in England and and I never felt more culturally alienated than when I was living in Central Illinois because there was a sense that if we do don't know who your grandfather is we can't trust you.

[00:17:02] Right and I think that's a very old tribal view of things that I think can easily lead to prejudice.

[00:17:13] And so I think that in many ways I think that there's a problem here that we experience in clash because it's like if maybe if the Starks treated the on better maybe they would have had a different relationship with him in the end. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[00:17:35] Is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? Do we hate Lannisters? You know this is Catlin sort of capturing Tyrion in book one or whatever. Would the story have unfolded if she didn't have a Lannister prejudice?

[00:17:52] Well I guess Jaime and Tyrion are the ones who only one to somewhat defy their family expectations. Sure, yeah but in many ways they are both fighting for their family. I think that Tyrion absolutely is the person who's propping up Joffrey.

[00:18:15] And of course Jaime's going to do anything for her sister. Even if they kind of feel the heaviness of doing that maybe they hate their family.

[00:18:27] They're still going to be very tribal but especially with I feel like especially with the events of clash where Theon is basically kind of falling back into this old ironborn tradition.

[00:18:50] No one is for the ironborn. Everyone is against the ironborn and that is partially because the ironborn is against everyone else. And of course maybe this is also going to play out in Theon's narrative.

[00:19:03] And my feeling is like he's living into this family narrative that was decided a thousand years ago. Yeah I feel like a lot of people if they move back to a conservative place that they're from they might find themselves under the same pressures to conform.

[00:19:25] Right, yeah and Theon has a problem with the drowned god and he doesn't he's trying to have a little healthy skepticism about that whole business.

[00:19:38] So anyway back to the house of Usher here I feel like when the you know when the POV character in this short story arrives and sees Roderick Usher. And he kind of repeats for the audience that this is their fate.

[00:19:55] This is always the fate of all the members of House Usher is that they have this malady that confounds physicians and it makes everyone's it shortens everyone's life and they all kind of waste away toward the end.

[00:20:13] Even if they're very young people and this is sort of the reputation of House of Usher and this guy Roderick is absolutely buying into the story. So you kind of feel like is this a self fulfilling prophecy or is there something you know is their magic afoot.

[00:20:32] Right exactly especially with the drama of the last act you know is that an act of God or is that a coincidence.

[00:20:42] I feel like we need a little bit of an excursus into sort of the deep ironborn lore to understand what's happening here because I think it absolutely is going to help us understand the connections between Martin and Poe here. Okay.

[00:21:01] So I think everyone knows that everyone listening this podcast at least will know that Heron Hall is named for someone named Heron the Black and Heron the Black you know is sort of like almost a figure of legend but he's left behind this massive house right this massive castle.

[00:21:26] And he is he's ironborn so he is the king of the islands and riverlands.

[00:21:36] So it's really important to know that sort of this guy is Théon Greyjoy's ancestor if not a you know a direct relative or whatever they both come from that ironborn culture and importantly the ironborn have this antithetical relationship

[00:21:55] between their mythology their religion the gods that they worship and the Weirwood tree network.

[00:22:04] So this to me is is a kind of crucial to understanding why Heron Hall is haunted and I think that there's maybe a little kernel that in the paragraph that I read that there's something about the rotten soil it's coming up from the trees.

[00:22:25] That's the taunt in this place. And so, okay can I just interject one fun fact that there may be another Poe connection with the name Weirwood.

[00:22:37] There's a poem called Oolah Loom and it's it's about a guy who's despondent one night and he goes wandering and then realizes that he's subconsciously wandered into the crib of who died a year before.

[00:22:52] And in that they it's set in the so called region of Weir and yeah in the poem there's there's a line about the ghoul haunted Weirwood woodland sorry the ghoul haunted woodland of Weir. So that five times fast. Fantastic. I love it. Sorry. No, that's fantastic.

[00:23:10] And I'll just reread this an atmosphere which had no affinity with the air of heaven but which had reaped up from the decayed trees. It says.

[00:23:20] So just to just to remind folks that you know the ironborn worship the drowned God and they view the Weirwood trees as demon trees. And they call them the Yig, which I think is absolutely an homage to the old Norse word for terrible.

[00:23:41] And you know that the Yig drag drag drassel is sort of the great tree that connects the nine worlds in Norse lore. And so the ironborn are kind of based on Norse culture.

[00:23:57] So what they view the the Weirwood trees not of the old gods they view them as the old demons. And so when Heron arrives at the the God's eye, Heron decides he's going to cut down Weirwood trees to create the rafters of his of his great castle.

[00:24:17] And you kind of see that like this this kind of bespeaks the old ironboard enmity with the Yig. These demon trees are not to be worshiped there to be cut down and built with. And I think it's this.

[00:24:33] I think homage to this poet story where the house itself which is situated by a lake is absolutely haunted because it's its atmosphere comes up from the earth from these rotting trees. And it's not subtle at all.

[00:24:54] I feel like Heron Hall is an homage to the House of Usher. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And I think in both cases, yeah, it's in the House of Usher. He's it's sort of describing how the house is almost like rotting from its core from its foundations, like the family.

[00:25:13] Right. But you know what other family I see a big parallel with is the Lannisters. Okay. And not just because they're twins, but because they are a family so consumed in their own greed that they end up.

[00:25:32] Well, what what happens with, you know, for instance, the Lannisters in the main A Song of Ice and Fire series, you start to see them fall apart because they are being eaten from within by this by this greed. Interesting. I mean, I.

[00:25:49] All right, so let's talk about the story a little bit more. Our man who's hanging out with we should probably know his name. Yeah, I just looked it up and it doesn't say his name. It just says his best and only friend. You know what's interesting?

[00:26:06] I saw the preview for the House of Usher thing on Netflix and it seems like they are not including the narrator. So we're getting it from Roderick's point of view. That's so interesting. And they also added a shape-shifting demon, so whatever. But okay.

[00:26:23] So so our POV character who remains nameless. He spends some time with his friend, tries to lift his spirits. They do a little bit of music together. They do a little bit of art together.

[00:26:39] And after a while, you know, he spends enough time there that he actually sees the terrible fate of the sister who seems close to death anyway. And they end up burying her alive? I mean, I guess that's a question, right? Yeah.

[00:26:59] Did they bury her or did they bury her alive? And I think that. I mean, apparently she was alive in the end. Yeah. In the hollow coffin, I heard them many, many days ago, yet I dared not speak.

[00:27:45] And now tonight's Ethelred, the breaking of the Hermit's door and the death cry of the dragon and the clanger of the shield say rather the rending of her coffin and the rating of the iron hinges of her prison and her struggles within the coppered archway of the vault.

[00:28:11] A wither shall I fly. Will she not be here or none? Is she not hurrying to upgrade me for my haste? Have I not heard her footsteps on the stair? Do I not distinguish that heavy and horrible beating of her heart? Mad man.

[00:28:33] Here he sprang furiously to his feet and shrieked out his syllables as if in the effort he were giving up his soul. Mad man! I tell you that she now stands at the door. Alright. And given the kind of the connection between the riverlands and Heron Hall,

[00:29:01] I wonder if this is where Lady Stoneheart comes from. Because of course the Tullys have this connection to the green site. Right, resurrected from the dead, covered in blood.

[00:29:16] Yeah, so it could be that Lady Stoneheart is sort of an homage to Madeline Usher who is dredged up from certain death. Well, yeah, who fights her way out of...

[00:29:30] Because the worst part of the story, you know, the most horrifying part is that her brother, who's, you know, she was his only companion. They were twins not quite in the Lannister way but, you know, very... they were all each other had.

[00:29:46] And he said that he could hear her scratching beneath but didn't... Was like too ashamed to let her out or something. Gosh, it's just so horrible. And so of course she returns and she returns as someone who has been buried alive.

[00:30:11] And so I do think that there's some kind of connection here between the riverlands and the Godseye Lake and the Great Cursed Castle and then eventually, you know, the resurrection of the sister here.

[00:30:30] I noted a few other connections here but I was wondering whether or not these twins... The twin brother and sister here... I wonder if this reminds you at all of any of the Targaryens that we meet along the way.

[00:30:50] Okay, well yeah, like I said my brain first went to Lannister with them but I can see also the Targaryen connection. I think in the TV adaptation it might be more like that, they might... But here we see them so reduced that the only way we see...

[00:31:08] We just hear descriptions of what's decaying in their house and the fact that the brother is so pompous and full of himself is an indication that this is a family who's used to having everything they say manner.

[00:31:24] But they're dying when we arrive so we don't get to see them in their dragon blazing glory. So it's more like maybe... I mean that there are some Targaryens that we could make that parallel to like literally rotting on the throne.

[00:31:41] Right, right. Yeah, I was just thinking like in terms of like the conversation we had earlier about the children of a particular house are going to act a particular way.

[00:31:52] And I think that this is... You don't see this anywhere more sort of in your face than with the Targaryen lineage. It's almost like there's this magic slash psychosis that goes into the makeup of the family tree or the family vine or whatever we want to call it.

[00:32:12] It's almost like you can't escape the family curse. And I think that there is something here about... Like you mentioned sort of the greed aspect. Like this kind of is intergenerational greed that it's commenting on. But I also think that you could work this in with like...

[00:32:32] We know that certain addictions will pass from generation to generation. So, of course we don't want to go too far down this road but there is a sense in which the inclinations of the parents will absolutely bleed into the fates of the children.

[00:32:54] You could do that with addiction, you can do that with certain kinds of psychological conditions whether it's by way of nature or nurture. There are certain... For lack of a better term... There are certain sins that don't just affect the person who commits the act.

[00:33:17] There are certain sins that will be felt for generations to come. Absolutely. And I kind of feel like Martin likes to play with that and then of course here we have these children of Usher.

[00:33:32] But one interesting difference is that unlike the Targaryens where there's a lot of infighting, they make clear that the Usher family has but one lineage all the way down. They did not branch.

[00:33:45] Because there was a lot of problems back during that time with wealthy families where there'd be a lot of children and they divide up the properties and the land holdings just get smaller and smaller and smaller.

[00:33:56] So by having one line, they're keeping everything straight down the lineage until this final collapse. Well, and that kind of... It doesn't explicitly say it in the story but it does make me wonder like is this a Targaryen vine kind of problem? Meaning... I'm sorry.

[00:34:16] Oh, meaning that most trees branch out because you marry outside of the family but the Targaryens do marry within and of course these... We see that both the brother and sister have not married and they've not left the house and they've become very insular in this way. Right.

[00:34:36] I think because we see with the Targaryens when they do marry out it's like if there are two different branches of Targaryens existing their instincts will be to prune each other. Yes, yes, of course. I really enjoyed rereading this and I think that it's kind of undeniable

[00:35:00] that this had some kind of influence on the Heron Hall plot and maybe it's a little... It's just a little head cannon on my part but I think maybe did plant a seed for the Lady Stoneheart plot as well. Right, I think yeah you've convinced me of that.

[00:35:17] That makes sense. Do you have any more that you'd like to point out? No, I just... If people read this story and are curious or curious about the pit in the pendulum I think the more you read a poem the more you're going to be like

[00:35:33] oh that reminds me so much of this character or this motif. Yeah and I'm so glad that you brought up the homage to the wood of Weir. What story was that again? It's a poem called Ula-Layne. Okay, alright that's right.

[00:35:53] I'm so glad that you mentioned that because I had no idea about that. Yeah but also some people say that that comes from the last name of someone from... I think it was the Rolling Stones or something. Oh no Grateful Dead. And that is I think...

[00:36:07] I know that Martin's a big deadhead and I think Bobby Weir would be sort of a good guess. He does include from time to time homages to bands that have been important to him. But it doesn't have to be... The fact that it's a wood.

[00:36:23] Yeah right, it doesn't necessarily have to be an either or thing I don't know. No that's true. Alicia thank you so much for your time and what is a wool shift dust covering presently?

[00:36:36] Yeah so we are despite the Dune delay we will be continuing with at least the first part of that coverage and then of course yeah in October we have a special episode coming out for talking about the Netflix adaptation of The Fall of the House of Usher

[00:36:55] and there will be a special bonus reading with sound effects of the story BIPO on the in the wool shift dust book club pre for book club members. Fantastic thank you so much. Thank you. Okay David this is where we're supposed to choose a side green or black?

[00:37:19] John my soul is as black as night. Your turn. I am black for life. So we're not fighting? I thought this is where HBO wanted us to like pick sides and fight and stuff.

[00:37:34] Don't worry I'm sure we'll find plenty to disagree about on the pod but we seem to agree on one thing. We both really like the show. The politics the drama the lore it was made for the Lorehounds.

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