Is that episode title just a joke? Mark definitely wishes it was. In this week’s Sidetrack, our hosts give their lists of songs that get the waterworks flowing. Join us for some really awesome music and some major over-sharing! See you next week for a regular, sob-free episode!
Music heard in this episode: Bonnie Raitt - “I Can’t Make You Love”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “September”, Sarah Bareilles - “She Used to Be Mine”, The King’s Singers - “And So It Goes”, Billie Eilish - “The Thirtieth”, Northside Special - “A Place to Call Home”, Taylor Swift - “marjorie”, Tally Hall - “Be Born”, Beck - “The Golden Age”, Say Anything - “Alive With the Glory of Love”
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00:00 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I normally put like a goofy, funny excerpt at the beginning of the episode before we play the theme song.
00:05 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if this one needs to be a like, not a content warning, but like, what would you say?
00:10 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you want to feel, maybe listen to this episode, if you don't want to feel don't listen to this episode.
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, this is like real talk.
00:16 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, we joke around a lot, and that's lovely.
00:20 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_13]: And I feel like this is Joville too, but for different reasons, but this is some real talk.
00:24 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, you're getting a lot of personal disclosure in this sidetrack for me, specifically.
00:29 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so yeah, so word of warning listeners, you're about to hear a drum fill that's gonna cue in the never mind music theme song
00:49 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm Mark.
00:50 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, I'm Nicole.
00:51 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is Nevermind The Music.
00:53 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Side track.
00:54 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Side track day.
00:56 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing today?
00:56 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_13]: Today, we're going to talk about songs that make us cry.
01:00 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You even though you're laughing.
01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_13]: It was my idea.
01:02 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_13]: And you're laughing, is this like a nervous thought?
01:05 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You were going to get really emotional today, right?
01:08 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
01:08 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really get emotional.
01:10 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you?
01:10 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I have five examples of me getting emotional and music.
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_13]: I have seven examples.
01:15 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_13]: But we don't have to do them all.
01:17 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We should, we probably should because when we did the, uh, the first one that I felt short, it was the holiday.
01:23 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_13]: No, it was the brothers and sisters, like the family bands.
01:27 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah, but we didn't like 10 examples.
01:28 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I had 10 and you were like, I had some sister.
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know there were other types of familiar relationships.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you didn't even do sisters.
01:35 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You could twin sisters or something.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:38 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, okay, so I will say honorable mentions that I'm not kind of count because they already heard it when we were on the Taylor Swift cardigan episode I brought up that nickel Creek song okay to the airport that was like COVID era That's like hit me hard when I was on a run once listening to cry when you run I'm not gonna claim it because the audience is already Leo pointing meening going Oh, we know we know Mark has one, but okay, do you like crying?
02:04 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about this before we start rolling.
02:08 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_13]: I like the idea of crying.
02:09 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not a cryer.
02:11 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_13]: I have more cognitive empathy than affective empathy.
02:15 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_13]: Like I can think about being sad and they know what sadness feels like.
02:18 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_13]: But I'm not going to cry with you.
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just not.
02:22 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_13]: I'll cry by myself.
02:24 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_13]: I cry honestly about like mostly about like the passage of time.
02:28 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_13]: Like that gets me in a lot of my songs or about time passing loss.
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_13]: Like kids growing up.
02:34 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there like cats in the cradle?
02:36 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: No, like that vibe.
02:37 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_13]: Like I'll always cry at like the last day of school or like the first day of school.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_13]: I get a little teary.
02:42 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know why, but I don't cry at like great profound loss, really.
02:47 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_13]: What do you what makes you cry besides these songs?
02:51 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I should say that I clarify, I have not experienced an out-of-phase death in my life yet.
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_13]: No.
02:58 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
02:59 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that?
02:59 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The term?
03:00 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_13]: No.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_13]: It would be an off-time.
03:02 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that last season a little bit.
03:05 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So all that is to say, I have not experienced truly profound loss in my life.
03:10 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I have only experienced passing of people that were pretty on time, relatively speaking.
03:17 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
03:18 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So, or, or so out of time, that I wasn't even born yet, like profoundly out of time, but like, I weren't like part of it.
03:27 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, people that I never met that kind of thing.
03:30 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_13]: So lucky for us, I've experienced many off-time losses and events in my life.
03:35 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_13]: So I have a lot of content to pull from here.
03:37 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I have to say, like everything that I talk about that hits me emotionally,
03:45 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_13]: died from like drugs or mental health and I mean, nothing.
03:50 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: People I mean, there have been people I knew that that has happened to like your nobody that was really close to me.
03:56 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
03:57 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You're lucky.
03:57 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess.
03:58 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm extremely lucky in that regard.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_13]: I get if that's luck.
04:01 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
04:01 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
04:01 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So people that I know, yes, but not people that I had a close emotional bond with.
04:06 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_13]: You know, when someone told me someone said to me once like, oh, I said, oh, I'm so lucky.
04:11 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_13]: And they're like, yeah, you are because you've survived all the bad things that have
04:15 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_13]: And I reframed luck.
04:17 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_13]: Like luck isn't not having bad things happen to you.
04:19 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_13]: It's surviving the bad stuff that happens to you with a good attitude and like that's luck.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I think that's what we're doing.
04:26 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I should say then that all of these, I don't want to say sappy but like emotional kind of there's a lot of coming of age kind of you say passage of time.
04:36 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think
04:36 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of things that are about whether it's nostalgia mixed with as I've become an adult like the weight of the world in mostly almost a positive way has found its way to crack my little shell of cold cold cold cold emotion right.
04:56 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like not to spoil too much of it, but I've categorized these to try to kind of make sense of them, but they're mostly not all sad, right?
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like sad, happy, sad.
05:07 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what hits me.
05:08 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more likely if I'm watching a movie like as a younger man or a teenager, I would never tear up or whatever.
05:14 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Get your daughter movie, but it started happening when I was an adult and it's it's often the kind of what?
05:19 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: why that's really sentimental and touching as opposed to person dying on like cocoa like the movie cocoa cocoa I don't remember the cocoa hit me but cocoa was cocoa was nice yeah but like i have to surprise at cocoa yeah i think we're cocoa i have to think of a specific example but
05:36 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, nobody can survive the first 10 minutes of up without without getting a little choked up, but that's like there's beauty in that sequence, too, right, spoilers, there's loss felt in that that 10 minutes, but there's beauty in it, too, right?
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It is beautiful.
05:50 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's just it like life is beautiful and sad and cruel and uplifting all the same time.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_13]: That's what makes it like awesome.
05:58 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't one of my examples, but we were just on a really long road trip my wife and my kids and my kids asked me what a Partico song was about and I actually saying the words out loud made me choke up like in it was weird like I had never really engaged emotionally in the moment and that's kind of a running theme way back on the dream hydra
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi.
06:19 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: My last band Dreamhide to a hype episode.
06:21 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about writing a song inspired by 9-11, right?
06:25 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:26 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like 10 years later, and crying, watching like a recap, like a anniversary video, even though I hadn't at all.
06:33 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_13]: because you were thinking of like, this is the world that your kids are going to grow up in.
06:37 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have to like, yeah, but I was like, I saw the world and I was also touched by like my lack of emotionality 10 years earlier.
06:45 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was scary to me.
06:46 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like, I feel like I have a reactive retro-spective sort of view of crying and tears and emotion and stuff.
06:54 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So people that knew me when I was, you know, early 20s probably would be shocked to even hear that I ever would cry from a song like it's a new or something.
07:01 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: What about your things?
07:02 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't really yourself, but you're not like, cry it out, get some catharsis kind of person.
07:07 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_13]: I like get catharsis through tears, but it's I'm never like, I don't sob.
07:13 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, I'm not someone that'll just break down and just be un-inconsoluble, like sobbing to anything.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_13]: I'll do like a quiet tear.
07:21 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_13]: But there's never been a moment of my life that I've been like, yeah, inconsolably crying.
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, I'm just not that girl.
07:28 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_13]: And like, that's fine if you are.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, I kind of am jealous of people that can really let it all out like that.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_13]: I just can't, I have too many inhibitions.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, I can't do that.
07:35 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_13]: Too many, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it
07:47 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I miss you.
07:47 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I miss you in an ante in a bit.
07:50 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: What is so right in people, but like either way, I'm not fat.
07:54 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_13]: Like I can't like go like that.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_13]: I'm too garden.
07:58 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So what made you want to do this.
08:00 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_13]: I just was thinking of sometimes I get sad and I do want that feeling of sadness and I have like a little a quick playlist that can like bring me to tears as much as I can get there.
08:11 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_13]: So.
08:13 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_13]: I was just thinking about what attracts me to, like, sad, somber music.
08:18 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_13]: And for me, it's usually about lyrics.
08:21 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_13]: And then I was thinking of you and how you interpret music.
08:24 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm wondering if it's about lyrics for you, too, or if it's about tonality or chord progression.
08:29 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_13]: If you figure it out, like, the chords that will make you cry.
08:32 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The cry button chord, the minor four.
08:35 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:35 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_13]: But is there one?
08:36 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: There is, but looking at my list,
08:41 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's conned for me as the lyrics since mostly the bridges when I now that I know about musical form.
08:47 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, I was like, I looked at the lyrics and I was like, oh, it's always the bridge that gets me always.
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
08:54 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fascinating.
08:55 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
08:55 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I should say, I don't know what yours are and do not know what mine are.
09:00 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
09:00 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And forgive me, because some of these clips might be a little longer than our normal, but what we're trying to make points and there's a couple that I pulled up that have an emotional arc that you got to listen to like, that's
09:11 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_13]: But I was having a hard time, yeah, like I just played the bridge of the song, but you need the chorus to lead up to the bridge.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so make, move it.
09:18 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So make it clear what you want me to pull once we do it.
09:21 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
09:21 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I have it.
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got five.
09:23 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got seven.
09:25 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So why don't you start?
09:26 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
09:26 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_13]: The first song that is a warm up, but I'm not going to say it makes me cry, but it gets me really emotional.
09:32 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_13]: It's Bonnie Rates.
09:32 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_13]: I can't make you love me.
09:33 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_13]: I just think that that's a very, very, very beautiful song.
09:37 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a cute category for it?
09:39 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't really have a cute cat, like all of my nerbo is saying goodbye in a way or like, but this is just like a quiet resolve.
09:49 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This came up in an episode forever ago.
09:52 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's our dooby brothers episode.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
09:55 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember, oh, because it uses a potential six forecourt.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What if the potential six forecourt?
10:01 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So which part of the song do you want me to queue up?
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that'd be hilarious if it's the part with the kind of six forecourt.
10:06 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_13]: I think it's like the chorus.
10:07 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_13]: Like I can't make it.
10:08 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
10:09 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_13]: I can't make your heart.
10:10 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_13]: feel something it won't.
10:11 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_13]: I just think that that quiet resolve gets me and she's so accepting of it and it's sad but not like weepy so I really relate to it.
10:20 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_13]: It's just quiet, sadness of like we have to let go and move on and there's nothing I can do about it that I think you really speak to the human condition in a way that's like really really powerful and her vocal performance here is just so great and it's so run honest and I just I really love Bonnie Rape.
10:37 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna say she's a lesbian icon because I she's not I was confused that we already talked about that Yeah, I looked it up confused by what you were saying
11:08 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
11:17 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But is this something because this is what, like, nandy one or something like that?
11:22 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm around there.
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Was this that way back then?
11:25 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_13]: No, I mean, I was 10.
11:28 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_13]: So no, I didn't really think about leaving my lover because they didn't love me back at that age.
11:34 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You weren't aiming high enough, unfortunately.
11:36 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_13]: But I, something recently, my knee sang this song at a like vocal concert.
11:42 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_13]: I like she takes voice lessons and she sang this song.
11:44 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_13]: She's like 12 when she's saying it.
11:46 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_13]: And I remember thinking, what a funny song for a 12 year old to be singing, but her performance was so powerful that it made me laugh and like cry for her getting older and then having to like say goodbye to a lover that wasn't working out.
12:00 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_13]: It was just twisted.
12:01 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_13]: It's like so dark and weird.
12:03 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_13]: But it kind of turned me back onto the song, hearing her practice it.
12:08 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know, I think the lyrics are kind of a context thing.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's a context thing for sure.
12:12 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_13]: So that's the way first verse starts off easy.
12:14 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so my easy one, this category of why I cry is the world is a beautiful place.
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's nice.
12:21 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this may have actually been mentioned like a long time ago, as in as far ago as Sponey rate was mentioned on this.
12:28 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: podcast and the song actually came up on our holiday episode, but the context is totally different.
12:33 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So I am all explained why, but this is September by Earth when in fire 1978.
13:03 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: This 100% is a life moment kind of thing.
13:07 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: This song, there's nothing about this song musically or legally that should make me cry, right?
13:13 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It has intersected in my life in particular moments.
13:17 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the kind of religious person would say, a science kind of thing.
13:21 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So like part one of those things is artificial, right?
13:24 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the first song we had played at our wedding.
13:28 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, this is, this is just a jam where like, this is the song we want everybody to dance to first at the wedding.
13:34 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So please play it, right?
13:36 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But right after we moved to New England, and maybe I mentioned this randomly, it was our first fall.
13:42 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I moved to New England in late August, and had no idea it was right after the snowmageddon year.
13:48 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know anything about New England, whether what it was coming.
13:52 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And I went for a run in probably mid-October, and it was
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: and leaves were falling.
14:00 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was on a run, and I came to this like, grade or whatever in my town.
14:05 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was just red leaves like literally falling from the tree.
14:10 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And right, I always listen music when I'm running.
14:11 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't run if I didn't have music.
14:13 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It just wouldn't, wouldn't exist for me.
14:15 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And right as the song hit and it wasn't September because it got September the leaves don't fall here.
14:21 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not far enough north, but it felt fall to me and there was just this wave of emotion that hit me.
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't sadness.
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't happiness.
14:29 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like the context of this song with beauty and like everything's going to be okay.
14:35 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just driven literal 3 and 10 miles to get here.
14:40 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: didn't know anybody here just taking a new job.
14:43 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Wife currently unemployed for the sake of this move.
14:46 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Small, not even toddler at home, and just everything's gonna be okay.
14:51 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I always associate this song with that, even though it's just random.
14:55 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been probably any song, like, okay, the wedding thing is fine, but there is other songs I love for my past two, right?
15:02 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So like any song that hit me emotionally as I approached that clearing of trees, just would have done it for me
15:10 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wasn't sobbing, but I'm on this run, and I'm tired or whatever, and it just sort of, it happened.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_13]: It like felt spiritual.
15:17 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_13]: You were at like, um, you were embarking on a new crossroads of life, and like that was the moment you were validated that like, okay, this is a good choice.
15:25 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_13]: This was a good move.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_13]: And it's beautiful here.
15:27 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_13]: I couldn't imagine living someplace without seasons.
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_13]: It must be so boring.
15:31 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's pretty darn beautiful in Southern California.
15:34 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but like when you see the following leaves the first time it reminds me of like the first time.
15:38 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_13]: There's a nice like crisp snowfall in our area and you see the snow sparkling on the trees and it just feels like you're inside a snow globe.
15:46 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like before the wind is knocked it off.
15:47 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_13]: Right, it's just like quiet and magical and like everything's whiteed out and it's just so like unstimulating and a really peaceful way.
15:57 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got to be careful standing under one of those beautiful trees.
16:01 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we just, we even say at the beginning we're talking about songs that make us cry specifically, not just crying, this song does not still.
16:10 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_13]: No.
16:11 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really a one time thing.
16:14 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_13]: It was just that moment.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm nostalgic for that moment, though.
16:16 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I have a song that will make me cry every time and it makes me cry because it is about paths not taken but also about how the world's going to beat you up and change your course and that's beautiful because it helps put you on the right path and form you to who you are even if it's not who you expected to be.
16:42 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_13]: So it's from a musical called the waitress.
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_13]: I like the Sarah Barry Ellis version.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_13]: It's called she used to be mine.
16:48 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's her.
16:49 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: She did the music from that.
16:50 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: She did.
16:50 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, got it.
16:52 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_13]: So Jaby heard the song.
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_13]: You from really with it.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_13]: You'd like what to call it.
16:56 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_13]: She used to be mine.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: She used to be mine now.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_13]: Can we listen to it a little?
16:59 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't want to go along if we listen to everything, but just the bridge, now that I know what a bridge is.
17:06 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_13]: And it's about when she says she used to be mine, if she's talking about herself, like this version of her that doesn't exist anymore.
17:15 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And then she'll get stuck and be scared of the life that's inside her.
17:24 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Going stronger each day.
17:26 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Until it finally reminds her To fight just a little To bring back the fire in her eyes That's been gone
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_13]: it's just so good.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't able to process.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard this before.
18:05 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't able to process any of the word, but it's musically affecting.
18:09 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_13]: The whole song is about this idea that you can be flawed and broken and the world can show you up and spit you out and that doesn't hurt you.
18:20 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_13]: It just makes you stronger and more like more of a pure version of who you're supposed to be.
18:26 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_13]: And I just really, I'm comforted in that, and it makes me cry because it's beautifully delivered.
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_13]: The lyrics are great.
18:33 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_13]: It's really powerful.
18:34 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_13]: It's very fun to sing in your car after you've had a bad day, which I'm a fan of.
18:39 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_13]: And it's just a gorgeous moment of self-actualization and growth for females.
18:46 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_13]: And I, a lot of these songs are about that.
18:49 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_13]: I think now that I'm looking at my list.
18:51 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: How many of your seven are power ballads, like sad big songs with like epic climaxes and stuff?
18:57 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_13]: That was really it.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
18:59 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
19:00 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was the body rate tune is not power, but a power ballad of Jason.
19:04 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It just never has that epic.
19:06 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_13]: This is the only one that has that like epic but it's got it.
19:08 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Burting moment.
19:10 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
19:10 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, this cool.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_13]: It's super nice.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: My next category, I just call love hurts.
19:17 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: This one, I actually don't know I might be cheating because I don't know if I actually ever cried to it because I was young enough that I was just dull and numb to my emotions.
19:26 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: This one does not get me at all anymore.
19:28 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It just used to very much.
19:31 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's all about context.
19:34 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a song.
19:37 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is and so it goes by Billy Joel 1983.
19:41 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But specifically the Bob Chilcott arrangement for T.T.B.B.
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Men's chorus.
19:47 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a performance.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's you're already included into the context name here.
19:53 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the King Singer's performing section of this piece.
20:05 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see if the choice will mine to make I view and make decisions too And you can have this heart to grow
20:28 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what's the deal at this?
20:31 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the deal?
20:32 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just starting to get into music as a, like, seriously, as a college freshman.
20:38 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I joined a choir, a men's choir, specifically.
20:41 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my first time doing anything like this.
20:43 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This is before the barbershop, before the Occupella.
20:46 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess it's concurrent to also getting into college Occupella groups.
20:50 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a political science major that was about to adopt music as a second major, and I was going through what for me felt like a catastrophic breakup, world ending kind of hurt.
21:04 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was a song we were learning, and it was just like hard to get through it.
21:10 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, I don't think I was ever crying in rehearsal, but I felt like it.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And so,
21:16 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: it was this weird mix of like profound sadness but also like I was making really good friends some of which literally I'm still friends with now in this men's chorus at night my undergrad and we were singing this song that I didn't really know the Joel song that well but it was just like would hit me in the feels like every time and I'm not really a lyric guy but it would
21:40 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: as this sad love song, but the vocal sort of just the resonance of being in this group of people that I was kind of finding my, what would be my future identity really, right?
21:51 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm much more close to, I don't sing in choirs anymore, but like I'm closer to that guy that I was to the polysci major guy who was going to go be a lawyer, right?
22:00 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So this one, the song is pretty like I
22:07 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_13]: I'm pouring one out for cold emotional early 20s mark that nice was about to cry, but couldn't quite do it right and it's about like finding with the moment when you feel like you found your people and so just trying to fit in you actually belong you like belong somewhere and that's an important moment and I early adults life.
22:28 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like that wasn't what was hanging over me at that it's only really in retrospect that I perceived that also being there because really what I was just was just really sad.
22:36 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
22:36 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I mean, it's bad breakup, right?
22:39 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody can tell you, because I mean, this was like a girlfriend for a few years of whatever.
22:42 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody can tell you when you're 19 or 20 or whatever I was.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, yeah, like 19, nobody can tell you that's not the end of the world, right?
22:49 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, listeners, any Zoomers or Jen Alpha's listening to us, which there's three of you probably is not the end of the world, everybody, not the end of the world.
22:59 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a funny weather thing.
23:00 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_13]: So, honor those relationships, they're so formative, and they teach you so much.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_13]: Very important.
23:04 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
23:05 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
23:16 --> 23:16 [UNKNOWN]: OK.
23:24 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you got?
23:24 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_13]: It's of my next song, you might not know, but it's very, very good, obviously.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_13]: It's called The 30th by Billie Eilish.
23:33 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_13]: She familiar with this Billie Eilish tune.
23:36 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Which record is that from?
23:37 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't even know.
23:38 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's, I don't think it's on a record.
23:40 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm confused.
23:41 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, because this one's new, but not new, new.
23:44 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Two song, EP, guitar song.
23:47 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
23:47 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_16]: What if it happened to you?
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_16]: Wanna do it for a day?
23:51 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_16]: On a bridge where there was it a real in the way?
23:54 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_15]: Dude, I'm probably going to cry talking about this dude, so I-
24:21 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that song.
24:22 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful.
24:23 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
24:24 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
24:25 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_13]: So context, the first time I heard this song, my kid was taking voice lessons and become her very vocal family.
24:35 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_13]: And she was really working on breath control on the song.
24:39 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: She was learning to sing man-child by, well, the song is a spring and a carpenter's song that the her voice teachers, like, I'm not comfortable having a young one and sing this.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_11]: All right, Nate was like, no, thank you.
24:52 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_13]: But if she has a voice teacher and Cara, who listened to the podcast, hi, was saying like, let's work on the song.
25:01 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_13]: This part, the bridge that you just played, she does it all in one breath, which is really impressive and it's really hard to sing.
25:07 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_13]: So my kid was working on breath control and this was like her goal was to sing that whole thing in one breath and she could do it and then the teacher says Nicole come on in and like listen to her sing she sounds so good and I'm listening to her sing this song I never heard it before and I'm like trying not to sob in front of my kid because what my kid doesn't know is that I barely survived childbirth.
25:30 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_13]: And there were so many things that lined up in a way to allow for my survival that I'm not a spiritual person, but it was like, there were so many circumstances that had to be just in place for me to have survived and I did.
25:43 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_13]: And when she's singing the song, like what if it happened to you on a different day?
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_13]: Like what if you were driving?
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_13]: What if you had kids in the car?
25:51 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_13]: Like all of these things could have happened and gone wrong for me and they didn't.
25:55 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_13]: And it allowed me to be alive to be this kid's mom who's now singing the song to me with no idea of the context of it.
26:03 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_13]: And it's all Billie Eilish is like kind of writing a song for her friend that was in a car accident saying like she's in her hospital bed and she scared and Billy scared to and I remember being in the hospital that holding my newborn being so scared that I wasn't going to get to be her mom and I am and it was just really profound and beautiful and I'm watching her perform it and she's just so great and I love her so much.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_13]: And it was just a lovely moment.
26:29 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_13]: And the song, the vocal delivery here is beautiful and really haunting, and it just gets to that like rumination piece that I go to sometimes about like what if things had been different because they could have been very, very, very different.
26:43 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_13]: And the song just kind of tickles that in me in a way that feels very raw.
26:50 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_13]: The end.
26:52 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus.
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27:08 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_13]: There's been a couple of moments in my daughter's life that we've had to give her like big unpleasant bits of information and instead of just sitting her down all at once and explaining it all someone gave me the advice like kids take in information like they eat an apple you know like how a toddler eats an apple they'll take a bite and then put it down and then come back to it and take another bite so I've given her like little bites of this apple and then very recently after like this moment with a song.
27:33 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_13]: she asked me more directly about what happened and I she's older now and she can like understand and I was very concrete with her about like the fact that I shouldn't have survived and I did and it's often come up and this is real talk when she's like why don't I have siblings because she's the only child I can't have any more kids because I would probably die it's too risk no one wants to roll the dice on that but she always said oh I want a brother and sister like why don't I have and I could never
28:01 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_13]: We very carefully are about why.
28:03 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_13]: And now she's like kind of understand.
28:05 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_13]: She's like, oh yeah, I'd rather have you than a sibling.
28:09 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_13]: And that's really the choice that was for our family.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_13]: But now she like knows a bigger picture of it.
28:15 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_13]: And she's like, wow, wow, like that's scary.
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_13]: I forgot it was really, really scary.
28:19 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_13]: And now she's like seen pictures of me in the hospital like holding her as a little baby.
28:23 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_13]: And she's like, wow, that's scary.
28:25 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_13]: So the song makes me think of that and I'm so glad she's getting old enough that I can talk to her about it because it's a pretty big part of me.
28:32 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_13]: And I'm glad that I can like finally share it with her.
28:35 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_13]: It gives her a better understanding of a lot of my motivations in my life.
28:39 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_13]: Like I didn't survive against all odds to like get mad that you've got to be in your math test.
28:45 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_13]: Like it's fine.
28:48 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_13]: So.
28:48 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_13]: Should I like, well, it's our most annoying ad music, the punk, what a done, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
29:17 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
29:17 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_13]: You know, like we know each other pretty well and we'll never know everything about each other.
29:21 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_13]: We'll never know everything about your spouse, your kid, your best friend, like you just won't.
29:24 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_13]: And that's why it's awesome to be alive because you get to keep figuring people out.
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But now our listeners know a little more about it.
29:31 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_13]: They know a little bit more about my medical trauma.
29:34 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They can keep having up this parasocial relationship.
29:36 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They've got a deal when they're doing it.
29:39 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, so how's your postpartum near death experience trading you in any updates?
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, hi.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: What is your name?
29:45 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, hi.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are you from?
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I can't love it.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_13]: I think it's fine.
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_13]: It's nice to be vulnerable.
29:51 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_13]: I, you know.
29:52 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's it.
29:54 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's beautiful.
29:54 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the kind of recondexualization of something, right?
29:58 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Also.
29:59 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Not that that song, not that the Billie Eilish song existed, but it's multiple layers of your history that gives it meaning.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
30:06 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_13]: And it's lovely.
30:07 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_13]: It's beyond that.
30:09 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_13]: It's just a beautiful song.
30:10 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:10 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
30:11 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not know this one.
30:12 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: When you first said it, I'm like, that title.
30:14 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
30:14 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard all her records.
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't I know it?
30:17 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I need to check out the single.
30:18 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_13]: That's gorgeous gorgeous song.
30:20 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_13]: So all right.
30:21 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_13]: Next.
30:21 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So my last category was love herds.
30:24 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: This category is called love herds, but friendship is real.
30:27 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a song.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that is so old.
30:32 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was on my space, but then never anything else.
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a song written by friend of mine.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_13]: Nice.
30:39 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_00]: college friend called roommate actually and he was suffering through some stuff but in the midst of his own kind of you know challenges he also had a really rough breakup so here's another you have a breakup song but the context here is that he wrote this song and this song actually was
30:59 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: written for the college aquapelagrip we were in together and I never sang it.
31:04 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I was not a part of the group at that point, but I went to their concert and watching the song get performed was like really emotional for me, just this sort of like,
31:15 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: watching these group of guys that a lot of them I was friends with performing the song that I knew the story to that I was living with this guy while he was writing it and he was pretty open about the writing process like he'd show me the song as it was taking shape and stuff like that and so it just really hit me to see it performed and then
31:33 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: a couple years later when I had moved to Los Angeles and started graduate school he hung out once and we went in like to the studio at my grad school and just recorded like a demo of it and a couple of other songs but like instrumental not not a couple like we made like a country rock kind of cover of it and so this is a song written by my friend Dan
31:53 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: called a place to call home and it just like hit me watching it really emotionally and now I have these memories of the sort of one of the last times I really got to like make music with him was this random let's go to the studio at my grad school and punch the code in and get let in after hours and record that's cool and I should say he's he's the one singing this and I'm sort of on other things.
32:19 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_07]: If the witness, the birth of a truth, true, then ever, the poor witness, did right, that all beauty is wonderful.
32:36 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_07]: And everything I saw was brought from it's heart.
33:32 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really nice, Mark.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan has a great voice.
33:35 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if he's still saying.
33:37 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't talked to him much in the last.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine, Jim.
33:39 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Decade.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
33:41 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one's just a moment in time.
33:44 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
33:45 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_13]: OK. Yeah, I love that.
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's heavy.
33:47 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_13]: Let's have me, but I'm into it.
33:48 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_13]: And the song is beautiful.
33:50 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But heavy stuff going on, you know, at the time, right?
33:52 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_13]: I'm for sure.
33:53 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_13]: It's so unlike the music you right now.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't write it.
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I know.
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_13]: But even still.
33:58 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I just sort of.
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Your touch adjacent.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, yeah.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it was unlike the music he was writing, too.
34:03 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's more of a jazz guy.
34:05 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I can see that, but I like that more of that.
34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_13]: Get down in here.
34:09 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't Project Northside specials what we call that we just we call it like four songs we had written and then just that's great.
34:17 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
34:18 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_13]: It's a potential there.
34:19 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just that off of mid to late 2000s little side thing.
34:25 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
34:26 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I have one more what?
34:28 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_13]: I have a couple more, but they're so like, can I just go through like some stupid ideas that I had?
34:32 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you one more, give me one more and then I'll do one more because I have two more.
34:35 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
34:36 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, the one next one I have is very indie, not well-known singer-songwriter and named Taylor Swift.
34:45 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
34:45 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_13]: Have you heard of Taylor Swift?
34:46 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_13]: No, okay.
34:50 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_13]: She was a pop country singer, but then really went into the pop and you know, elevated to the upper echelons of pop music.
34:58 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_13]: She wrote the song called Marjorie about her dead grandma and it really gets me when you think about like on-time losses.
35:06 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, we started this episode talking with off-time events and on-time events.
35:12 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_13]: the loss of a grandparent is an on-time event, one that is expected in the natural life course, but a lot of times with these on-time events, like you forget that when they're gone, they're really gone and maybe those moments that you didn't want to go visit grandma or didn't want to like call your parents, right?
35:33 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_13]: Because you were too busy that those moments are going to slip away.
35:37 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_18]: and when they are gone they're gone so I think it's the bridge of the song I have a hard time decoding her songs because there's like all this all the stuff happening but this is ever more so I don't remember the song because I don't hear that one as much
36:22 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I totally remember that song.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of my, I just don't remember the name.
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of my favorite songs.
36:26 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_13]: It's awesome.
36:26 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_13]: And the backing track of that ghosty sound to her grandmother was an opera singer.
36:31 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_13]: And that's like her that they put in the track, which is really lovely.
36:34 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_13]: I never really got into ever more.
36:36 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I'll have to say first time I really got into this song was.
36:41 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_13]: during the era store when I let the content for that came out and I was like what is this song?
36:45 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_13]: It was just around when my dad died and I remember I found like something that it was it was like a receipt that had a signature on it and it just like hit me like a ton of bricks so it was like oh my like he's gone and like I have unlike clean to this receipt just because he signed it one day and like his hand touched a pen that touched this piece of paper and this is like what I have left with my dad which is so sad
37:10 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_13]: right and there's so much I mean I've so much left of my dad like I do but the line in the song like should have saved every grocery store receipt like as every part of you would be taken for me that really it just like hit slap me across the face because it's so true when you feel like a powerful loss like looking back like I should have saved everything I should have like kept all of it.
37:29 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_13]: And in moments of grief, we just kind of purge everything and just like get it out of here.
37:34 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_13]: But now I wish I had everything he ever touched because I just loved him so much.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_13]: And that's a great reaction.
37:40 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_13]: That's healthy.
37:41 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_13]: And this song just like gets me for that.
37:45 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_13]: And I remember, you know, in the aristores, all this content, and there was all these videos of like people watching the aristore with their grandparents or with their dads or something.
37:55 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_13]: And there was this one video of this old stoic grandfather like watching this song with his granddaughter.
38:02 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_13]: And he was just like quietly sitting with like tears running down his face.
38:06 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_13]: And I was like, oh my gosh, that's how powerful music can be that it can tap into like all these deep emotions that we suppress.
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_13]: Especially around like loss and grief.
38:15 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_13]: I think that's an area that like we do need that catharsis on and the song like gives me that catharsis and I love it's beautiful.
38:23 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, so.
38:24 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_13]: There you go.
38:25 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But but this is an on time.
38:27 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: On time loss.
38:29 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:29 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to play.
38:31 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't, doesn't count as one-on-one, but like my one of my key on time losses was my great grandmother.
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
38:39 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: She was 103 years old.
38:39 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
38:40 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And the aforementioned 3 and 10-mile trip from Los Angeles to Boston.
38:45 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We stopped to visit her and she died that night.
38:48 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God.
38:49 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was an on time loss so to speak, but like the sadness and emotionality for me, even though I loved her, I knew it was like she lived in Nebraska, but I still saw her throughout my life.
39:01 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It was associated with my dad, the sadness I was feeling because he was like, my dad's mom died before I was born way orally, like mid 40s.
39:11 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was the oldest daughter, my dad was the oldest son.
39:14 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he had like a bond with her.
39:16 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, and she like held on for him to visit.
39:20 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And to be driving this big moving truck after leaving her place, knowing she was probably going to die in the next few hours.
39:26 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
39:27 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Was a trip experience for me as a son.
39:30 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I wrote a song about it.
39:31 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's one of the socket and extons called her flame is basically about that moment in driving in that truck.
39:36 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:37 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And.
39:37 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's the context around, you know, with her also, she lived through, she was a German immigrant family during World War I when, like, people were like, whatever you call racist against Germany, like, did we hear your dad speak in Germany, like, pitchfork, brigade, driving up to her, have like the stories these people have when you've lived that life.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what's gone.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And why didn't we write that down or record that?
40:01 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's just it.
40:02 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have things, man, you can't ever have everything.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_13]: You can't ever have everything, and that's
40:07 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_13]: the song is about to me like we have things I have memories but I'll never get to ask my dead questions about how about his three-dimensionality like I'm that's why I'm really eager to just close my three-dimensionality to my kids so she knows that I'm more than just her mom.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
40:27 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
40:27 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_13]: We think of our parents this and these little like cocoons of like parent
40:32 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_13]: There's so much more that we don't know and I didn't realize that until I was a parent myself because now I realized I have all that new ones So my mom and dad must have two and their parents must have two you stopped being a real person when you had a kid right in fact It's just kind of deepened my real personhood
40:49 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
40:50 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
40:51 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I just in the song is it is again a beautiful song.
40:54 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_13]: It's well written.
40:54 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_13]: The lyrics are really strong.
40:56 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_13]: Musically it's really strong and they they do just remind me to be very present in my relationships because they're not guaranteed to last forever.
41:05 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
41:26 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: My next one that I'll actually play, category is parenthood is emotional.
41:31 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like there's a whole also category of song that it's hard to get through when I'm trying to sing it.
41:37 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and that's one of these, right?
41:39 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's this weird indie band from the mid and late 2000s called Tally Hall.
41:45 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like nerdy lots of vocals, like kind of random weird alternative sort of indie rock, I guess.
41:53 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have this song that I really didn't pay attention to because I'm not really a lyrics guy.
41:56 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called B-born, and it's about singing to an unborn child like being incubated, right?
42:03 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's plan words of the son and the son, right?
42:07 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was all this kind of, you know, fun kind of clever trickery that I didn't really care about, and I didn't really recognize until my kid was already born, my oldest.
42:15 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I had like a baby up through probably three years old, I did so much like sitting with my acoustic guitar playing kid friendly songs or even a ukulele or whatever, either with another dad or just by myself.
42:30 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And this song was in my repertoire, but I didn't hit me like what it was
42:41 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There's this particular line in, in particular that I'll highlight it didn't hit me until I was trying to perform it and I like couldn't like my voice would break every time there's this one line about the mom
42:56 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, like it hits me.
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, already Mark, he's crying.
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I read it because I read the line.
43:00 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even say it.
43:01 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: She's been waiting long and hard to kiss your head and hold your hands and hold you while you fall asleep.
43:06 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the, oh, I love this kid so much.
43:09 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
43:09 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like all of us, right?
43:12 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
43:12 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, I can't believe it.
43:14 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't take long.
43:15 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:15 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: My fist song is the one I think I'm not going to explain.
43:18 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me play this song.
43:19 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: There's this one line that it made me feel such love for my kid and my wife.
43:24 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's awesome.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I should prep you.
43:31 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like almost like cow punk kind of country.
43:35 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's like lovely and happy and goofy.
43:39 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's something about that line that just gets me even now.
43:52 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_05]: What if I told you I could show you something?
43:57 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_05]: What if I told you I could make you live?
44:02 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Follow my instruction, swim in the direction of my voice, hear my voice.
44:10 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_13]: It's really sweet.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the swim in the direction of my voice thing.
44:15 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_13]: Really like finding Nemo.
44:18 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_13]: And I think of like so many moms that like in parent and dad, so many families that try so hard to have kids and can't.
44:27 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_13]: And how lucky we are, you know, feel like have.
44:31 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_13]: just to have babies, to have wanted to have them and to have them.
44:34 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_13]: So, and like a lot of people all they want is to be kept up at night by a screaming kid, right, and how we might like curse that.
44:43 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, and some people don't want that, though, and that's totally okay.
44:47 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably ridiculous sounding, especially to those of you listening at 2x speed.
44:52 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is Mark getting emotional reading this line and it's all about that context of those moments and the song meaning hitting me as I'm literally singing it to my like eight-month-old son Right realizing what the song is about and and that's the marker is Mark can't sing it.
45:09 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's about to cry, right?
45:10 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_13]: And then thinking of like the love you have for your wife and your partner that you made this creature that's just such a gift to your family and changed your relationship in a profound way and like bonded you together in a way beyond a marriage license did, right?
45:26 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I need to play this one.
45:29 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: When he's 16 and he does something truly horrendous, I need to just listen to that song.
45:33 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_13]: Dude, I know your kid, he's never going to do something to really horrendous.
45:36 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_13]: It's such a good kid.
45:37 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well.
45:37 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_13]: It's your daughter.
45:38 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_13]: You have to watch out for
45:40 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Damn right.
45:42 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Lord.
45:42 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, no, no, she's she's amazing, too.
45:44 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_13]: Just for sure.
45:45 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Her endop is all relative right.
45:47 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, right.
45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just it.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Scary, maybe scary to me.
45:51 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
45:51 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What else do you got?
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I have one more.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_13]: I have one more, but I just thought of it.
45:55 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_13]: I had two more on my list, but they're like chasing Chapman's fast car and Michael Jackson's man in the mirror, but I just thought of another one that's even better.
46:04 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_13]: So I'm getting the title, but it's from Beck's Sea Change, which is an album I used to play for my daughter when she was in my ballet, I used to put headphones on.
46:14 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_13]: The song is called The Golden Age.
46:18 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_13]: It's track one off of this album if you can just play like the beginning of it.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_13]: It's really the first verse.
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I don't think I know this.
46:25 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, this album.
46:26 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_13]: So it's back.
46:27 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_13]: My favorite back.
46:28 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_13]: Back is also awesome.
46:30 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_13]: Like a like really awesome and so many different ways and stretches across so many different genres that like it's wild how good of a musician he is.
46:39 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But they were probably shocked and annoyed with me that I don't know about that.
46:43 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_13]: Back is so good.
46:43 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_13]: I saw them in life and I was like, wow, this guy can do everything.
46:47 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, he does.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's awesome.
46:49 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_13]: But the Golden Age is a great, great song.
47:09 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_09]: weight of the world drift away and stand Oh This is a really good
47:40 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: shock.
47:41 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Mark should listen to more back.
47:43 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_13]: This is a really great album like you would really enjoy it because it does it.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't even think it's iconic back.
47:50 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_13]: Like you have this image of what he is in your ear or your mind's eye in your ear, but the cell boom.
47:55 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: More quirky than that.
47:56 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and this is eighth studio album and recorded into a two-month period and it's just a really great atmospheric album that I think that you would really enjoy.
48:07 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_13]: That's like unconventional for what you think of
48:10 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I still feel like it's, you're legit.
48:12 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, folk, rising or sorry, but with like psychedelics does happening to ashore.
48:18 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_13]: So especially sea change, but all of his albums are so good.
48:22 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So what's the emotionality here like the crying?
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I think that.
48:26 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_13]: I think of like when my daughter was born and like playing this for her, but that's not where it started for me.
48:31 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, this is another over disclosure.
48:35 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_13]: We had a really good friend of ours that died, and it was an off time event.
48:39 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_13]: It was in not entirely unexpected, but he.
48:44 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
48:45 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_13]: He was sick and he died.
48:48 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_13]: And it was a surprise to us.
48:51 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_13]: And we were like on the road trip.
48:53 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_13]: I think our daughter was just born.
48:56 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_13]: I can't remember.
48:56 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_13]: She might have been just born.
48:57 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_13]: And my we were driving home.
49:00 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_13]: My husband got a call.
49:01 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_13]: Like, her, his friend called him.
49:03 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_13]: And my husband's like, you know, a stoic guy.
49:07 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_13]: I really like dialed in guy.
49:10 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_13]: And he was just like, okay, okay, on the phone.
49:13 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_13]: He said, okay, I love you.
49:15 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_13]: I'll talk to you later and hang up the phone and I just looked at him and I knew exactly that like that was the call saying that our friend had died and it was so unexpected I was like it's him right and he's dead and he was like yeah and we didn't talk the rest of the ride and we like listened to the song like reminds me of that for a couple of reasons because it and this guy was a filmmaker and the song was in a film that he made it always reminded me of him.
49:40 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_13]: So I just think of that song.
49:42 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_13]: And the whole line, like put your hands on the wheel, like open the windows, like let the breeze take over you, like keep moving forward is really good reminder to like this guy spirit and how he really did embrace every minute of life he could.
49:59 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_13]: to an extent and it reminds me to do that and it's just also it's a beautiful song and also the lyrics are haunting and kind of moving and powerful about like passage of time and accepting your fate and that's like I'm noticing that that's a real trend in the songs that I've picked is like that sometimes life can deal with you like really bad hands.
50:20 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_13]: And that actually makes you grow and makes you more powerful once you get over the grief portion of it.
50:25 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_13]: But the song like is grief to me, even though it doesn't read that way to like an average listener.
50:30 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_13]: So it makes me cry.
50:32 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_13]: Not like externally like you cried at that song, but like inside my soul it makes my soul be a little bit for my friend that should still be here by all accounts.
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think your husband would also associate the song with that?
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
50:47 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really interesting when these.
50:49 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_13]: things intersect and it's not not necessarily for the most obvious reasons right and like you would never know and like I think not only him but like everyone in that friend group they would hear the song and think of our friend think of Andy yeah that's beautiful yeah it's really nice like we're connected and after he passed like we did feel we're always very close with this group of friends but
51:12 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_13]: Now there's like, I'll go back and say like grief is awesome like grief connects to other humans in a way that like words can't like we all wait this group of friends we always have this we always have this like shit thing that we went through together that other people you can explain it all day but they don't understand unless they were like there in that time in place and yeah it feels really familial to like have that connection with this group of people and like it's unbreakable.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you can be awesome.
51:41 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_13]: I can be awesome.
51:41 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I normally put like a goofy, funny excerpt at the beginning of the episode before we play the theme song.
51:47 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if this one needs to be a like, not a content warning, but like, what would you say?
51:52 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you want to feel, maybe listen to this episode, if you don't want to feel, don't listen to this episode.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, this is like real talk.
51:58 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_13]: Like we joke around a lot.
52:00 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_13]: And that's lovely, and I feel like this is Joveel too, but for different reasons, but this is some real talk.
52:06 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_13]: Like you're getting a lot of personal disclosure in this sidetrack for me, specifically.
52:11 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
52:11 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
52:13 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So, word of warning listeners, you're about to hear a drum fill that's going to queue in and never mind the music theme song.
52:18 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Put up, put up, put up, put up, put up, put it down, boom, boom, boom.
52:20 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
52:21 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_11]: Buckle up.
52:21 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my.
52:22 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
52:23 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I have one more.
52:24 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
52:25 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: My category is people are terrible, the world is terrible, but also the world is beautiful place and love is real.
52:32 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
52:33 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
52:34 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: this one I don't know how to do with short samples so I'm going to play a little longer than that.
52:38 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this one I first discovered when I was working for Pandora for that year.
52:43 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned there's a lot of mid-auts music that I discovered because I was supposed to analyze it.
52:49 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_13]: This is a Greek again.
52:50 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a Greek.
52:52 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a band called say anything which at the time might have actually really just been a solo project of Max
52:59 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And this record that came out that I had never heard of this band, they had had like a kind of like super indie album before that, and this is already indie.
53:08 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But this album is a real boy, was dropped in front of me, and I was supposed to listen to it, and converted into data to put in the Pandora algorithm.
53:17 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And my mind was like blown, and I went, I got this album and listened to it a ton, and it started.
53:23 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things that's kind of a concept album.
53:25 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It started as a rock opera, but ultimately wasn't like rock opera to the point that I think he rock opera being like a rock story album, but maybe even was imagining it on stage.
53:35 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_13]: That kind of thing.
53:35 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_13]: This was Tommy.
53:37 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, exactly what I call it.
53:39 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
53:39 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_13]: It's the only one I can really think of.
53:41 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus Christ superstar was the other really early one.
53:43 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Would you say rent is a rock opera, no rent is a rock musical.
53:47 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
53:48 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
53:48 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So a rock opera definitely is supposed to just be an album.
53:52 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a type of concept album that has
53:55 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: an actual real story.
53:56 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, people influence the wall.
53:58 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but that's also a movie.
54:00 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, when it's already like put to stage, it's sort of stops being a rock opera and it's just a rock musical or a film.
54:06 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
54:07 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So if we're being really strict about our definitions, sure rent is a rock opera, but a rock opera would be maybe originally American idiot by Green Day, which yes, they made a stage show, but that was like years later.
54:19 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
54:20 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Same with.
54:20 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_00]: the movie of Tommy or same with the stage show of Jesus Christ superstar.
54:25 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact is that was made just as an album, a rock album with a plot, right?
54:29 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But I like that.
54:30 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, awesome.
54:31 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, this didn't actually get the stage.
54:35 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
54:35 --> 54:35 [UNKNOWN]: So
54:36 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give a little bit of explanation and then I'll talk more about the emotional context.
54:40 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So this song, Max Bemis's grandparents were Holocaust survivors.
54:45 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this song is essentially a love story from a concentration camp.
54:50 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think this is literally biographical, but it was inspired by them.
54:55 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's this guy's perspective of being in this concentration camp.
55:00 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Triblinka is the one that he sites out by name.
55:03 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And the song, by the way, is called Alive with the Glory of Love from 2004.
55:07 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's about finding your person.
55:10 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
55:12 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: In that time, and the character dies.
55:15 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, oh, it's heavy.
55:17 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But, oh my god, the song, remember the last one was like this, like it's goofy.
55:21 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_09]: This is going to be like Emo-E punk punk rock.
55:30 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
55:34 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_10]: I'll dream about you I will not talk you with the power of time Oh yeah, sure it takes you me You won't feel me as warm as my moments Yeah, I'll know my purpose This war was one of this I won't let you down
56:23 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_11]: listeners, Mark has a literal tier streaming down his face, and I'm trying not to laugh all this way.
56:29 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a little bit laugh because it's like the the idiosyncrasies of human emotion.
56:35 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Why me and and why me, why is this lapsed Catholic crying about a holocaust?
56:41 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's
56:42 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
56:42 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_13]: You you really respond to like this type of music as a way that like you layer motionality onto like swivel and punk and sky and all this stuff.
56:52 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_13]: But for me, the juxtaposition is so interesting between like the content and the tone of the show.
56:58 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_14]: Sure.
56:59 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
56:59 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_13]: Um, I'm listening for that.
57:01 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
57:02 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_13]: I think I would need to listen to it like 10 more times or just read the lyrics to find it.
57:06 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's really funny.
57:07 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You say that because I'm not a lyric guy.
57:09 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:10 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So what are the odds the first time I heard this that I was struck by the emotion of it zero right.
57:15 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_00]: it was after listening to it a bunch and I'll tell you why, how it hit me and this is like an actual rare crying in my life, right?
57:24 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So my wife's family were Holocaust survivors, right?
57:27 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I maybe have mentioned that to the point that we have like a nuclear extended family of a one side of her family, but no extended family because they didn't make it out of Poland, right?
57:39 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's always there.
57:41 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a few generations removed, but it's there is an emotional part
57:45 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_00]: now my extended family and at the time she was my girlfriend and we'd never really this wasn't album misses again mid 2000s we're still living in the San Francisco Bay area and I don't know how many times I've heard this song probably half dozen or something and never really engaged with it certainly not on a meaningful emotional level and then sorry wife sometimes listens she got really bad like
58:10 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_00]: food poisoning or something like this.
58:12 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it was was so bad that we had to go to the hospital in the middle of the night.
58:17 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We had to drive to Oakland and go in like 2 a.m. kind of thing.
58:21 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're on our way home from, you know, three hours at the ER, whatever it was or the urgent care or whatever it was.
58:30 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And listening to this album because it was the album on and very, very low sleep.
58:36 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_00]: and heard this song and it just made sense and we're both like driving in the middle of the night through Oakland sobbing to this song and ever since then all like I can't get through it like I even, you know, I had my school ensemble do it once because we did like a storytelling one and but I could get through it then because I did not sing it.
58:58 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was during COVID, so it was remote anyway.
59:02 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_13]: So you could just like meet your camera.
59:04 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Really when I talk about storytelling, it's one of the things we do in songwriting, my songwriting class, and I will bring this on up.
59:09 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like every time I explain what it's about, I struggle.
59:12 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_13]: Because it's not so much about loving a concentration camp for you, as it is about the love you have for your partner, and the fact that we're all just kind of balancing on a tip of a pin.
59:25 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all fragile, right?
59:26 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_13]: It's all so.
59:27 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's beautiful too.
59:29 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
59:29 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's just an optimism to it, even though.
59:32 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:32 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_13]: And I think that's like the Keynes of most of these songs is like life is fragile and beautiful.
59:39 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_13]: And we're all broken and that's lovely because it helps us be rich and dimensional as humans.
59:47 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_13]: It's really awesome.
59:49 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_13]: Music is awesome.
59:50 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:50 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_13]: Don't you think?
59:52 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy.
59:54 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
59:55 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey listeners.
59:56 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, should I just make the title be episode like my cries and the cold and the cold.
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