Jean, Luke, and Elysia check in on the good, the could-be-better, and the absolute Red-Band of the 2026 Marvel Special Presentation The Punisher: One Last Kill on Disney+. Their conversation is dotted with discussions of grief, target audiences, the comic-book inspiration, and the future of this character and the rest of the MCU (with important opinions about movie-theater seating thrown in for good measure).
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00:24 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello and welcome to comics versus an MC Universe podcast.
00:29 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm Alicia, the voice and friend castles head when Karen is busy with Matt.
00:34 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Luke, relieved that Karen is staying true to the best romance in the MCU.
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00:46 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm John, the man asked himself, who he is?
00:56 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We are the Lord Hound, the guys who read bad revenge and we are back to breakdown.
01:01 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The Punisher, one last skill, special presentation.
01:06 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_05]: So do check in on our previous Daredevil born again coverage, where, of course, we have talked about Frank extensively and set up a lot of the background for all of this.
01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_05]: We just released last week, our wrap up for season two, Daredevil born again.
01:25 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, this is, as always, your blanket spoiler warning for all Marvel films, TV shows, books, or costumes.
01:32 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_05]: comics that have ever been released, we will consider ourselves free to reference everything.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_05]: We will start.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:38 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I guess we'll like keep it spoiler free.
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know how much you can really spoil here.
01:42 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Like if you expect Frank Castle to come in and murder a bunch of people in the name of Justice.
01:48 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:51 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This one's for you.
01:54 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but yeah, so let's start with a little set up.
01:58 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_05]: So this was this special was directed by Ronaldo Marcus Green, who is known as a director of things like We Own the City, King Richard, Bob Marley, One Love, Monsters and Men.
02:09 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So obviously this is within his wheelhouse, especially with We Own the City, which I didn't watch that.
02:15 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I know that's like kind of an unofficial continuation of the wire or something, but is
02:24 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, that's kind of an unofficial continuation of the wire in the sense that they're both certain Baltimore, but that really is the beginning and end of it.
02:35 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
02:37 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I do remember it coming out, but I still haven't watched past the first season of the wire.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got to start at the end of the house.
02:45 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to put watching the sopranos above watching the rest of the wire.
02:49 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm glad to see the first season.
02:52 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You like the wires better than this
02:59 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: They're both very good.
03:02 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They're very, yes, yes, it's your preference.
03:06 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, yes, I am behind on things like that, but I have a weird soft spot for Frank Castle.
03:13 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_05]: You see, the writers of this were Ronaldo Markets.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Green again with John Bernthal.
03:18 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_05]: This is really John Bernthals, a passion project, first and foremost, it seems.
03:22 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_05]: This is his first official writing gig.
03:25 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and this is Marvel's third special presentation after in 2022.
03:32 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_05]: We got two of them, where we'll find my favorite, and the Guardians of the Galaxy.
03:37 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Holiday special, and then nothing until, I mean, I think this is a good format for this special presentation, right, is to, like, I'd love to see this for Jessica Jones.
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Now I've heard people say an I agree.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed, agreed.
03:52 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it's only 51 minutes long, which is honestly, I think some people were expecting a full movie, but based on the prior two, this is about the like they expected, you guys, were you surprised?
04:02 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hadn't watched any of the prior two, so I was expecting something feature like that.
04:07 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, yeah, I would've got to say I was a little bit.
04:11 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Booga into it, but I was a little bit disappointed that it wasn't, um, that it wasn't feature like...
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, all right.
04:20 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, let's get into our fresh shakes.
04:22 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Just to set up the premise as Frank Castle searches for meaning beyond revenge and unexpected force pulls him back into the fight.
04:29 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_05]: So this is also, we were told, we're told this is what Frank was up to during Daredevil born again season two.
04:36 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Quite literally it's what John Barren thought was up to why he wasn't in it this in Spider-Man, but this is with a character
04:45 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_05]: So, Luke, what are your fresh takes avoiding any spoilers that can be said to be had?
04:51 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I always like Punisher content.
04:55 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna, I'm always gonna be down for Punisher content.
04:59 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you want a one word review of this, it was in substantial.
05:03 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's literally Frank Castle.
05:06 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Frank Castle tortured that stuff vigilante turns up and kills a bunch of people in impressive and semi-comical ways.
05:18 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it kind of reminded me of a shorter,
05:22 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: version of the rate of you guys seeing the rate?
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like, yes.
05:27 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't, you know, cops, criminals, turn up in a building, lots of very impressive martial arts, that's all we need to know, that's all that's going on here.
05:38 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make it bad, but I don't know, I would like something to move.
05:45 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Frank Castle would carry to her or the world forward a bit.
05:49 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been a bit of brains to my loving God.
05:52 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, and I didn't feel like I got that.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
05:55 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think the way this has been talked about also is it feels like this was intended to for more for the people who didn't watch the punish for TV show when it was out on Netflix, then for the people who did, even though we did get some, you know, we we got some cameo and callbacks, but it really is like Frank Castle 101.
06:16 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
06:20 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
06:21 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I thought that Frank, how do I like this guy?
06:30 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
06:31 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:31 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes me like him, Frank, makes me question what I'm willing to overlook.
06:38 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to say that violence is overwhelming, spectacular.
06:43 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_05]: The use that are her or whatever.
06:47 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm finding myself cheering on more war.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: War, I was like, I'll run yet again.
06:56 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Here I am, staring at the TV screen.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: How much more war?
07:01 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: How much more war?
07:02 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead and love it.
07:04 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And what does that make me?
07:08 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that put me on the...
07:11 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you.
07:13 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you.
07:16 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There are scenes that I thought were really well done.
07:19 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll talk about it.
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It was simple.
07:24 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a story revenge for revenge sake.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else.
07:29 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no overarching themes trying to connect to something else.
07:33 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This was simply a revend story and how does Frank get out of that and I appreciate it for that.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
07:41 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_05]: If you read, um, I just read over the last few days, welcome back, Frank, the Punisher.
07:47 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_05]: That's, it's a 12-issue Punisher Volume 5 from 2000 that's like, this is based on what they also used in prior incarnations of this character, like the Netflix show.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but I finally read it.
07:59 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you, have you read that one before?
08:03 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read it.
08:04 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to, I don't read a lot of Polish economics.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_05]: No, this is my first.
08:09 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't read a lot of Polish economics.
08:12 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There are very few that I've actually read the entire, an entire arc.
08:18 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I haven't, I didn't read that.
08:20 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I prefer this is one instance where I kind of like preferred not having red comment.
08:28 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
08:29 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, it was I have like mixed feelings about there are certain things I like about it certain parts of it that haven't aged 12.
08:36 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_05]: And it is not like like I said, this has not really my genre normally I'm reading, you know, like the witchy and monster comics and stuff like that.
08:44 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, this was it was interesting to see like what they took.
08:49 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I shared there's so there's a trigger warning for dog lovers.
08:53 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about it more after the warning break, but just dog lovers.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Be warned.
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't see things directly, but you hear things and see reactions.
09:00 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I, when I was reading through the comic earlier today, I was like, oh, this is a direct reference from that comic.
09:09 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_05]: So I was glad that I read it for that and for the monucci part who is much less problematic in the show than in the comic.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You're nice.
09:20 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but yeah, it's definitely like not usually my usual flavor.
09:27 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_05]: But this is one like where I think people who are very into the gun aspect of it.
09:36 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I can imagine, I think David so often interested in the military side of things.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And
09:43 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if he might appreciate this aspect, especially where, you know, John Bernthal brought in some Marines to help him train for born again, but also for this to like help him with the mechanics, of course, who have like, handling guns, but also with getting in the head space of it.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And then cast them also in the special, so.
10:06 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I did think the gun play in this.
10:10 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: was impressive, was impressively grounded, actually, that was one of the things I liked about it.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: There are a couple of little details in the way.
10:23 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a, where he's gone at the stairs and I'm going to roof, he's handling her.
10:28 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's an AK74 is the gun.
10:31 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's doing the thing of taking the magazine out and checking it between us.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, there's a pause in the action.
10:42 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was, yeah, there are little details of the show that they have actually thought about how the mechanics of this is put together.
10:51 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fight scenes are really impressive.
10:55 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, that's why I compared it to the right, you know, if you want a good fight scene, there is definitely good fight scenes here.
11:02 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_05]: There's one shot that's been mocked on the internet.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure.
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11:17 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And as he's falling onto, um, I don't know what's on a platform.
11:22 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a dumpster, I think.
11:23 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, trash dumpster, below.
11:26 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: the, you can see where to face his face, John Bird dolls face, changes to the stuck person's face.
11:36 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_05]: And so people are like, wow, why?
11:40 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_05]: People are like, it looks like, you know, like, a video game, grab some of a sudden.
11:45 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:46 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the moment, I didn't catch it.
11:49 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I think I might flinch to that, but then it like keeps going so hard that it's like, oh, okay, yeah, I didn't catch it.
11:57 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So it didn't bother me in the least, but I think sometimes we, but they should fix it.
12:05 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have to, they should fix it because they have the capability to fix it.
12:09 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't lean into it.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't lean into it, so.
12:14 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
12:16 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, we had also feedback from Ken W who wrote in to say, wow, 48 minutes of Mayhem and little Sicily loved it, but how will his violence fit in the kid friendly spiderverse?
12:31 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Because obviously, yeah, that's where he's turning up next and then Spider-Man
12:44 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be interesting.
12:46 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll provide you seem to live a snippet of what that could be in the Spider-Man trailer, right, where he was Spidey, Muzzles the Gunnage.
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And Muzzles, Frank, Pidey, Mouth.
13:00 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Frank.
13:01 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_05]: This is PG13, man.
13:02 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the most you can say.
13:07 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So we've already got a little taste of how they're going to do that.
13:10 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll play up to comedic effects and we'll see, we'll see, but let me just say one thing.
13:18 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I continue to hate that New York City as the stand-in for the, for chaos, for absolute, unabridged madness and duallessness in the world.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_05]: We have the 70s in the Warriors film, but thank for that link.
13:33 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's not, we are whole some city here.
13:40 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, very welcoming, we're very nice people here, you know, just don't sit next to me in the movie there and everything you find, but we're very nice, it's not, it's not what,
13:51 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You see here, so if you want to come visit, you're feeling a little bit because we attacked it.
13:59 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
14:22 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_05]: you referenced the great movie seeding discord debate at 2026 and you know what I think I think in general though it's actually more the people who are from like smaller towns who are because there's room there to have space.
14:39 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Like if I go in the middle of the city to the movie theaters I fully expect someone to sit next to me.
14:46 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to depend sidebar that we're talking about this really quickly.
14:52 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm here by myself, you know, I tend to try to go.
14:57 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And on days and hours, what I don't expect a lot of people to be there.
15:02 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And even then, I tend to try to find seats that are, you know, separate like on the aisles and the bad, because that's just me, you know, if I'm with my friend, so with family, it doesn't matter, you know, because then I'm occupied with my friends and my family.
15:25 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to expect if you're going to go to a matinee at 12 on the Saturday or Sunday or you're going to go at 6 or 7 or 8 on a Friday night or Thursday night or Saturday night.
15:40 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: the likelihood of you sitting next to people isn't pretty pretty.
15:46 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:47 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I like to target like a 4 p.m. star.
15:50 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:50 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's it's just before people get out of the office.
15:56 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
15:57 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is very much the problems of the able body because no one's sitting next to me.
16:02 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking the wheelchair space.
16:04 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: My problem is, I think my problem is, can you please put a cup holder in the wheelchair space?
16:09 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: In the wheelchair space.
16:10 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got no more.
16:10 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got no way to put my drink.
16:13 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_05]: at least a side table.
16:15 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, to be fair.
16:17 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, I think that they do have side tables here.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
16:20 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Amsterdam.
16:21 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there are a few theaters here that why, as well, that do offer that.
16:26 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got it better.
16:29 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_05]: But I would think that, um, I guess you're often being put in the front row and just talking about it on the discord that like in some theaters, that's, that's great.
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_05]: That's perfect.
16:38 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And other theaters, that's like, uh, you're, you're creating your neck.
16:43 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, no, no, no.
16:44 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of looking because the one in some andreus, the one in some andreus are actually in the back, I'm actually in the back row.
16:51 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
16:52 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is based in the background.
16:53 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And the one, the multiplex, um,
16:58 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: That does put the wheelchair space in the front, but you are your favorite distance back, so...
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's not too bad.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:08 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got that and we've got to go back.
17:10 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think we can all agree, it's turn you phone off.
17:13 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't put it on silent.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Turn that shit off.
17:18 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I do put mine on silent, but then I don't touch it.
17:21 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_05]: The entire time.
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the key.
17:23 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not waiting for anything.
17:24 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, no, turn that shit off.
17:26 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Except, except when the credits start, I'll often be like, oh, shit.
17:29 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And on Google, the name credits.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
17:32 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Question mark.
17:33 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
17:35 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well listeners, at home, if you want to get in on the great movie seating, discord debate, really is jumping on the movie's channel on discord or send that to lorehounds at the lorehounds.com.
17:50 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_05]: But this we got to watch at home from the comfort of our living rooms.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get into the full spoiler breakdown.
17:59 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be talking plot arc by plot arc.
18:02 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Not seen by scene.
18:04 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to be doing that right after a quick break.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Be your back.
18:27 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_05]: So a fuller plot synopsis, Frank Castle is haunted by ghosts of his past as he tries to move on from his life as the brutal vigilante Punisher after avenging the deaths of his family.
18:37 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Only to be drawn back into conflict by crime, Lord Ma, Nukchi.
18:42 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's talk about first little Sicily's been lit off the leash.
18:47 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't even mean the dog pun and we'll get to that sec.
18:51 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_05]: But basically, like so Frank's quest to kill everyone in anyone connected with the death of his family, which is a story beat for Frank that I think everyone agrees they're beating to death.
19:02 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_05]: But at this time, it results in him taking out the entire new chief family except Ma,
19:10 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_05]: He kills her last family member, her baby boy son, right in front of him.
19:16 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, would you think about this about seeing Frank through Monucci's eyes?
19:24 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the, the, the, the, the scene where they have the confrontation in the courtyard, so they let so Monucci's literally telling the story from her point of view to Frank Castle is,
19:39 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me, the fight is inside that this is actually the highlight of the whole thing.
19:45 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it gives you the stakes for everything that's going to come afterwards.
19:51 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really, well, I think the actual name is Judith White.
19:57 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I mean, you're familiar with her.
20:01 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_05]: That's just like an American celebrity.
20:03 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think this will be an American celebrity.
20:06 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello.
20:07 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
20:08 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
20:08 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, she's, um, I don't know.
20:12 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_05]: She was on.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_05]: What are most of us know her from, uh, who's the boss?
20:16 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess is like the thing that, uh, I grew up with first knowing her from, but she's also, I guess she was, um, on a big soap, like, one life to live.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, oh, yeah, she was also on ugly beddy for a while.
20:30 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, transparent.
20:32 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
20:34 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen any of those, so.
20:37 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
20:37 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, but who's the boss with Tony Danza?
20:39 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I think made her most famous.
20:43 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, small complaint, by the way, but, um, yeah, um, I don't know where they got that wheelchair from, but that is an indoor wheelchair.
21:02 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_02]: really like an substantial, it's the kind of thing you use indoors.
21:08 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You switch me to like I'm going to, if you're going to use that, you switch to a mode to build with your scooter or you switch to a manual to it, but if you're using it out of it, you speak with considerable experience if you're using an electric chair outside you want something with tires much chunkier than that.
21:25 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, especially they were in like a gravel lot or something, right?
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Like a parking lot?
21:30 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And you want you want something with much better ground clearance, that is going to get
21:38 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_05]: she is just going to drown that thing yeah I was thinking I had your voice in my head I was when I first saw her I didn't know how they're going to play this so the way it is in the comic is at some point Frank feeds her to polar bears and so she loses all of her limbs so
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so that's why she's in a wheelchair.
22:00 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_05]: So due to the flight, obviously still Has her limbs full of bears in this story.
22:06 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_05]: So I was watching her first thinking of you know How Luke you watch people like how is their acting in the wheelchair?
22:13 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_05]: But then I was glad that they showed she's not paralyzed.
22:16 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_05]: She just has trouble walking And they don't really explain what it's about in this case.
22:21 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
22:23 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_05]: just a nod, I suppose.
22:24 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a bad selection of wheelchair on the part of the props to part.
22:28 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_05]: OK. OK. OK. Yeah.
22:33 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I liked how in her vision, there's no Frank doesn't even have a face.
22:38 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_05]: He's just his nameless monster for her.
22:42 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he just teach it.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the trench guy.
22:45 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_05]: The emblem.
22:46 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:47 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
22:49 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you see him differently, Jean, when you look
22:53 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because the people that he was murdering in extreme fashion all deserved it.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, ma.
23:05 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But uh, yes, sons were not good people.
23:09 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're recounting the light, the youngest, you know, the stories about him and those children were fake.
23:17 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know they probably weren't.
23:18 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
23:20 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, he was meeting out justice in his own way to people who absolutely
23:28 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So for Frank deserved it and if we look at what the new chief crime family has done, we would probably all agree that they were not innocence.
23:39 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is how criminals often see themselves, right?
23:42 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They see themselves as heroic.
23:44 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And they bypass all the hurt that they actually, you know, put on people because they don't see themselves as being, you know, bad people.
23:56 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is, you know, the height of hypocrisy.
24:00 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So watching her, I'm relived those moments.
24:03 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt, it was like, how come he didn't kill you?
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you so here?
24:09 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the only thing that I felt.
24:13 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I did think it was interesting, though, how they showed that because, you know, I'm interested, for instance, if we look at the history of Amsterdam, there was in the red light district.
24:25 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_05]: It was for a long time known as one of the safest neighborhoods in the city during a time where the city was particularly volatile, also back in the 70s.
24:35 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_05]: And it was basically kept in line by a crime lord, more or less, and people said things changed when he died.
24:45 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And they show in this that there was a crime lord keeping little Sicily.
24:51 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_05]: in control and there's like there's a better and there's a worse side to that because that sounds an awful lot like fascism obviously.
25:02 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
25:02 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
25:02 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_05]: But it also, yeah.
25:04 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Now we see when they are removed and there's this vacuum of power, there's chaos running a muck.
25:11 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, but then
25:13 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_05]: do we think that that's what happens actually?
25:17 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess no, like I said, there is some precedent in Amsterdam's history and I think another history is as well.
25:25 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_02]: When I mean a little bit, but even if that's the case, it doesn't make it right.
25:32 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_02]: What you want to have happened?
25:34 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I get so wonder like did they sort of lay this on a little bit thick because like John was saying it's just Author and a key in bedlam and I wonder where the part of that was actually what was going on in Frank's head I wonder that as well.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
25:50 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's well.
25:50 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of I kind of wondered whether everything you were seeing was actually was actually happening
25:57 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_01]: until the very end, that's what I, I kept thinking to myself, is this real?
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's this real.
26:04 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_05]: The worst thing, I know a couple people in our discord said they tuned out.
26:08 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_05]: This happens five minutes into the special, um, gave the trigger warning about it already.
26:14 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_05]: But a guy just picks up a dog and throws it in front of a bus.
26:19 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And we don't see that, uh, the hit happened, where we hear it, and then we see
26:24 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_05]: the homeless vet who was, you know, the dog's parent just broke heart broken response.
26:32 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, that was, you know, when I, in my review on letter box for this, I called that completely unnecessary with not a satisfying enough payoff because yeah, the guy got killed, but then.
26:44 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted it to be the most satisfying kill of special.
26:49 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it was.
26:51 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_05]: But then when I was reading the comic, I saw, so the comic actually saw a sub plot in that series is that there are these three other
27:00 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_05]: vigilantees on the much more questionable side of things.
27:06 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_05]: And I would say the worst of them is this guy who calls himself elite, and he patrols the upper east side, killing anyone who he thinks, you know, Sally's had then it's a nice neighborhood.
27:19 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_05]: And he, in this includes there's an older woman with a dog and her dog peas on the sidewalks are issued to the dog.
27:26 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's where this
27:30 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they want Frank to be their leader and Frank's like, no, I'm just going to kill the three of you actually.
27:38 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You see, I think that would have made for a much more interesting show where it's not like,
27:58 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He was in the housing project with back and brown people and that's what he was laying though all right I don't know why they chose that setting for him to lay low because as a white man in the peas Who is obviously going through mental health issues?
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He would stick out like a sort them
28:23 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just affects.
28:26 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks.
28:27 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So, thanks for bringing that up, John, because I hadn't really considered that point, but it's a really, it's a really, it's a really good point when you stop to think about it.
28:36 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I, I just wondered why,
28:40 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, outside of the, we're getting into the fight scenes which were incredible.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can see why.
28:47 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
28:48 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I understood the setting.
28:50 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Once the fight scenes were happening, I'm like, oh, okay, I'm understanding the trajectory here.
28:56 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was just an interesting, and I, and I don't, I didn't like that he chose or the showrunners chose this particular setting to have him hiding out.
29:06 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: didn't make sense to me, why wasn't he hiding out in the house kitchen?
29:13 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, because this is little Sicily, because it's not because it's a new cheese neighbor, so he was there finish killing off the new cheese.
29:21 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But it didn't even feel like little Sicily to me.
29:23 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not that's not, that's not little Sicily.
29:27 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:28 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole setting was not
29:31 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
29:53 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: and it looks nothing like where we were.
29:56 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right, right, yeah.
29:57 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like a comic book reference, but it's like, you know, it's New York City but tweaked.
30:05 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:05 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:06 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It looked bushwicked, it looked maybe even, you know, parts of Corona.
30:11 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, I think I filmed in Brooklyn or at the... Bridgewood, it was giving me ridgewood vibes at one point, you know.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: but she requires another point.
30:23 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's just, but again, I just didn't understand the setting to have, like, lay low there.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, that's a good point.
30:31 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good point.
30:31 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I was also thinking about, was a more get into the action in a minute, because we still have to talk about his hallucinations in between men.
30:38 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so yeah, so Ma'am, Nuchi puts this bounty on his head and says everyone's going to come after you, but she gives it a delay, which is light of her.
30:47 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_05]: But then he just sits at home hallucinating instead of getting the fuck out of there.
30:52 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_05]: But then I was thinking, would it have been worse if he did leave because they were just going after his neighbors regardless just on the intel that he was there?
31:00 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_05]: So if he hadn't been there to intervene, uh, would it have been worse for his neighbors?
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
31:07 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have, it absolutely would have been worse for them.
31:12 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's just like, didn't anybody else get like really strong John Wick vibes with me?
31:17 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to put it around you.
31:18 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Good point.
31:27 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Look for the coins, look at the gold coins.
31:30 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_05]: But let's step into his head space in that in that in between time.
31:35 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's we see him like in he's he's having a rough go of it inside.
31:41 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_05]: We see him tearing down his murder bordering walls because he's like I killed the new cheese except for harmless ma.
31:49 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and then he's drinking and he's like hallucinating and we see his marine buddies doing like their Semper Fi chant, um, we see this is definitely a throwback for the Netflix fans.
32:03 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_05]: We see his friend Curtis Hoyle, who in the TV version became a therapist and is still alive somewhere out there, where you guys excited to see Curtis back?
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, he was in his relationship with Frank and in the in the Netflix show.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was I was happy to see him.
32:26 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, he kind of like as I recall and it's been a while since I watched the Punisher season 2, but as I recall, he kind of like he helped him, you know, take care of Jigsaw, and then was like, but bro, I don't think I can help you on Mount.
32:46 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to protect your own, your own mental health.
32:49 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both coming from similar backgrounds, Curtis didn't lose his entire family to murder and mayhem, but they shared a lot of things.
33:03 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of bloodshed, a lot of violence, they've seen it.
33:08 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Curtis is trying to protect his own in those Netflix shows.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_05]: mm-hmm.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I understand that.
33:18 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, we also see, uh, we see Frank thinking about his wife.
33:23 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, are we, do we think it's been now about a decade in universe at least since her death?
33:32 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, are they stretching this whole revenge and mourning thought a little thin or,
33:39 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you just think he'll never, ever let it go?
33:42 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Like there's no shot for Karen who will get to in a second.
33:46 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't, I don't think they're, they're stretching it.
33:49 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, no, like grief is a motherfucker.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And, undoubt.
33:58 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: grief, you know, when you're not dealing with it, when you're not, that's trying to understand it, where where it's leading you, where it's led you, can't hunt, you know, and it does hunt.
34:12 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't think that Frank is not seeking help in the ways that we would want him to seek help.
34:20 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: he's seeking help in the ways that he knows violence.
34:26 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's actually not dealing with the death of his family.
34:29 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only extracting vengeance and thinking that he's dealing with the death of his family.
34:37 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's actually, he's never dealt with the death of his family.
34:42 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
34:44 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but okay, so it was definitely messed up that when he starts hallucinating Karen there as well at one point she's wearing the same sweatshirt that his dead wife was wearing.
34:55 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_05]: He likes, but it does answer the question.
34:58 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_05]: I was saying, you know, I want her to be there, but she has to have heat with Frank for how can you do that without her like, quote, unquote cheating on Matt.
35:05 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they massively split the difference.
35:11 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_05]: The, yeah, smart, I think, smart.
35:16 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Luke, what did you think about, could you, could you root for them since Matt wasn't actually?
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, she's seen it.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's headcarron.
35:23 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no, I have no problem with the, with Frank Castle finding a bit of a piece with headcarron.
35:29 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay, it's not.
35:30 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm true, Karen.
35:31 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
35:32 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
35:34 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_05]: He couldn't imagine it all he wants.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
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36:07 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: right because I understood that these were not real and then throughout the show I kept questioning what is real for Frank what is not real for Frank.
36:19 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as I questioned I'm like where's the where are the therapists in the MCU?
36:27 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We had to get people some real help here, you know, from me.
36:31 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, but the therapists are like, Heather.
36:32 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to say, do we really want to be therapists in the M.C.
36:35 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You have everything you do with practice?
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_05]: We might as well import Harley Quinn for this.
36:41 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll be something somebody got to come and talk to these folks.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You ought to be, it's not just right.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, there's a lot of people that need a lot of help.
36:50 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to find out where these therapists are going to school and start there.
36:55 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: True, true, true, true, true, Empire University out of them, but yeah, we got it.
37:00 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They got it.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They got to figure that out.
37:03 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they got to figure it out because people are going through some stuff, man.
37:06 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Went through the snap.
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Your whole family is murdered.
37:09 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you come back and... Yeah, there's a lot of things that are not being dealt with by the characters in Marvel and Marvel in the Marvel universe.
37:22 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So...
37:22 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_01]: that I asked myself that and I said, who is helping Frank?
37:26 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Who can help Frank, right?
37:28 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, but literally the closest threat therapist to him is, you know, is a supervillain now, so it's other.
37:39 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't want to have a helping anybody.
37:43 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
37:44 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to.
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
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37:52 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to get hurt.
37:52 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to get hurt.
37:52 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
37:53 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
37:53 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to get hurt.
37:54 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to get hurt.
37:57 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
37:58 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
37:58 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
37:59 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
38:01 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
38:01 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to get hurt.
38:19 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, so now we've got battle royale, the assassins enter the apartment complex, start breaking down doors, attacking residents, so Frank is activated and we get like, I mean, I'm not going to do a choreo breakdown, but I, you know, they fight through the apartment across the roof as you said, falling into this dumpster, and then we'll talk about where it ends up, but what was your favorite or best or most memorable kill along the way?
38:49 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a kill, but Frank Castle fighting whilst on fire is pretty, that was pretty badass, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
39:07 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: quite honestly, yeah, I was waiting for it when everyone was, you know, they were breaking down doors and I could hear, you know, he can hear what's going on outside and then the fire, the gasoline, carousine, whatever they use, I was just sitting down, I was waiting for the yellow.
39:29 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the yellow came, I said, shit is on.
39:32 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I want, you've unlocked this one to me for the new Spider-Man movie.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_05]: We know the Frank Castle and the Hulk are going to be in it.
39:41 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I want him to know the yellin' and then totally pushed back by the Hulk yellin' back in his face.
39:49 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be great, that would be great.
39:53 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The stairwell, maybe?
39:55 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: When they were in the stairwell, when he was in the stairwell, he was going up and I'm like, why are you going up instead of down, you know, and then it was just like, care, I think I think that that stairwell scene was was really, was really good.
40:14 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_05]: was really yeah um for me it's after he's back on the ground and he sees he sees Monucci like getting into a car and getting away and he know he's a chance to go after her but he also sees people attacking this this local shop owner drae play by bubbles
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Andre Royo, I was like, hey, I know this guy.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's been on like so much stuff that I've seen.
40:36 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And anyway, and his wife and his daughter will talk about the daughter more in a second.
40:41 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_05]: But so he goes into the, he lets Monucci go.
40:45 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_05]: So she's still out there somewhere and goes into the shop.
40:47 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_05]: And this is where, yeah, for me, the most memorable is definitely that pencil that it was the before earlier.
40:54 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:55 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Frank puts it to good use, turning.
40:57 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the biggest guy into a pin cushion and I I just kept thinking I wish this were the dog killer.
41:03 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He were kill him Oh my gosh, that was
41:11 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That was, and he kept stabbing him, stabbing him, and stabbing him.
41:18 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I won't point, it was like maybe the sixth stab.
41:23 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, how many more stabs are you going to give him?
41:25 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's stabbing him again, and he's stabbing him again.
41:28 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yo, this is not, this is crazy.
41:32 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But keep doing it is more, more, more, more, more.
41:35 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that another John Wick cold, but he killed four men with a pension.
41:39 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: with a pencil, yes, that was great, that was a good one, that was a good one.
41:45 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think we'll ever see Frank and Bullseye go up against each other, just talking about using everyday objects?
41:52 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure about Bullseye, but I would really like to see a Frank versus Wilson Fisk, like because when you see dead animal fighting first, that is raw strength against
42:07 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... you put the plenisher against was the first guy's rule strike versus rule strike it feels feels likely to happen at some point um...
42:18 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
42:19 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I like about the action that it's, and what I found more compelling about this, then a lot of just like shoot them up shows is that it wasn't, and this is probably the marine's advising influence.
42:32 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't just endless bullets.
42:34 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And by limiting, you know, realistically, eliminating each magazine has only so many bullets in it.
42:42 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_05]: This forces you to
42:48 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And also when you and Luke folks bring that up, what I really enjoyed, what I really like was that he was looking for a picking up another weapon.
43:01 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
43:02 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like check.
43:03 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's checked the magazine and we're like okay boom boom boom this is done.
43:08 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I killed this guy, let me take the one that he has, you know what I mean?
43:11 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't something like you said endless supply of bullets, but it was always, you know, he come eat a nomical in his and his shots and trying to replace what he had lost.
43:24 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was really well done.
43:27 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's interesting that Manuchi is out there still in the comic version, she does seem to be killed at the end, like he leaves her to burn in the fire, he burns down her house.
43:44 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_05]: But I saw that she does actually come back, so I guess I'm going to keep reading the next
43:52 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_05]: They got me, but anyway, no, but do we think though in the MCU, do we think Manucci, I mean, Judith lights a big casting for a American's apparently?
44:05 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Do we think she'll be back in Spider-Man or in like Daredevil season three?
44:11 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
44:15 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see her coming back.
44:17 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she comes back as part of it.
44:24 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there will be more punisher content though.
44:30 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really believe that there will be more punisher content.
44:34 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it seems like they're setting it up because why take the time to introduce him my few not planning to use them more is of course.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, all right.
44:44 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll get into what's coming next, but a question about where this all ends.
44:48 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So we get the graveyard sort of catharsis at the end where he's back at the graveyard.
44:55 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_05]: We see him, you know, morning is family and in the Netflix shows and we see now.
45:01 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_05]: It's Jumbrenthal's real-life daughter, Adi, played his in-universe daughter, Lisa.
45:07 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_05]: He's seeing her.
45:08 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_05]: And we learn that this thing that he says when he kills people, one batch, two batch, penny and dime comes from this bedtime story that he was supposed to read to her the night that she got killed.
45:22 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Why do you think he said that when he kills someone?
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a grounding thing.
45:33 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to do this terrible thing, but this is why I'm doing this terrible thing.
45:38 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it feels almost, yeah, conflicting to be like thinking about your innocent daughter as you do something.
45:45 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think he's thinking about her, I think he's thinking about the circumstances of her death.
45:50 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I've heard him say.
45:50 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one, yeah.
45:51 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what that brings to him.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna kill you, but this is why I'm killing you, bull.
46:00 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I do notice like so in the Netflix show he was often thinking about his son Frank Jr. and now it seems to focus his more.
46:08 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
46:09 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I wonder if, so we also see like this sort of mirroring and Dray's daughter Charlie, she sees looks up to Frank like he's a hero after he pencil punches like I did that and she gives him this fake rose, which he then lays on his wife and daughter's graphic way lays on his family's grave.
46:32 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_05]: And I wonder, like, we also saw him in the Netflix series with a teenage girl Amy, who he was kind of treating like a surrogate daughter, and wonder if they're setting us up for him to want a surrogate daughter.
46:46 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just thinking about Sadie Sinks casting to be honest in, in, uh, we know she's going to show up in Spider-Man.
47:00 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_05]: No, you don't think those are that.
47:03 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, I mean, I've thought things before and have been terribly wrong, so I'm really like, not at all.
47:12 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Into the, yeah, I don't know.
47:15 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I think a word in number of directions.
47:16 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I don't think it wouldn't make sense.
47:19 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: At least from what we know, right?
47:21 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Where would she come from?
47:23 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a university.
47:24 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So the story has to explain it, and maybe then it won't make sense, but for right now, it just doesn't make sense to me.
47:32 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
47:32 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
47:34 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you guys think that the title one last kill means?
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_05]: What was the last kill?
47:41 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_05]: The new cheese?
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_05]: These people that Mao sent after him?
47:46 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_05]: because Spider-Man's not letting him go.
47:50 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it was the son.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?
47:54 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_05]: His son?
47:55 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, the nochi boy.
47:57 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
48:00 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That should have been it.
48:00 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
48:03 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That should have been it.
48:04 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That should have been the end of Frank Essle's rage.
48:09 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be interesting to see where Frank goes from here because it kind of implored the ending kind of implies that he's not he's not killing for his own sense of revenge anymore he's going to like protect he's actually sort of his motivation to move closer to it's quite a I think right like he's a vigilante now
48:29 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that's my question is, do you think that we saw a point like a turning point for Frank in this special?
48:37 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Did he change in this special at all?
48:40 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's what they're intending for us to believe is that now he's out there not for selfish reasons to kill to punish the people who hurt him, but to punish the people who are hurting the vulnerable.
48:58 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that's why I was about disappointed, it was only 50 minutes long, so I kind of wanted them to dig into that.
49:07 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of wanted them to, because that is a pretty big shift in Frank's character.
49:12 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it feels, it feels, it feels big.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say it doesn't feel learned, but that's the wrong word.
49:18 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels abrupt.
49:20 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like basically, I basically, if this had been the final episode, I mean, no the series of Punisher, I think I would have liked it better.
49:31 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of I wanted this this change in Frank to feel more natural, and I wanted the plot and the characterisation
49:48 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think if this had been, if this had been the season finale of a Punisher series, I would have liked it perfectly.
49:56 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, as it was, it felt a little bit rushed, like I said at the beginning a little bit in substantial and kind of I wanted a bit more brains with my blood and guts.
50:09 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted, I wanted a bit more work on the character, I wanted to know more about my new cheek, I wanted to know more about Dre, I wanted to know where the heck the police were because you hear siren all the time, but they never actually turned up.
50:29 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We see a couple of the police cars reversing in one on fire.
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:33 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a big bottle.
50:35 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_05]: A band in a band in a band in a ship.
50:36 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:37 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
50:38 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the walls.
50:40 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:40 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's lock off New York City from the rest of the country.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_05]: This is a fistsy New York City, you know?
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's the flag.
50:47 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, that's interesting.
50:48 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's where we're the same way.
50:49 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same mystery to mention.
50:52 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, maybe this is partly fueling it.
50:55 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_05]: But I would have liked to have seen them tie together a bit more.
50:59 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I just feel like they were, they were working a bit too separately.
51:02 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And this is something we should have learned from.
51:04 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I loved both Juan division.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_05]: And I did actually love Dr.
51:07 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Strange in the multiverse of menace.
51:09 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_05]: But it was very clear that they were writing these two things at the same time without talking.
51:12 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they did fit together at the school.
51:15 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And this fits together definitely much more, but they could have like just a little reference to like a Fisk on the TV with the shape the streets initiative or using what's going on in little Sicily as an example of supporting him, you know something like that.
51:43 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's, yeah, that's the question, that's the complexities I like to dig into.
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_05]: But again, I mean, to be clear, yes, they are the bad guys.
51:52 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, in a 15-minute TV special, you just don't have the time or space to do that.
51:59 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is why this fell a little bit weird, because it wasn't satisfying.
52:07 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_02]: As a standalone thing, I don't think.
52:12 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was satisfying as an action showcase and I found, I liked how the cinematography and everything was done that one shot aside, obviously.
52:23 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it was very well done, but it didn't give the character.
52:31 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_05]: drama that we might have wanted.
52:34 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what they thought of for depth, you know, the hallucinations, the mental health issues that he's obviously going through.
52:45 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they may have thought that that was enough.
52:52 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:52 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's not.
52:55 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It felt like a recap more than anything else.
52:58 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like an introduction to the literature for people who haven't watched the Netflix series or haven't seen or read comics.
53:08 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what this felt like, honestly.
53:09 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like an introduction, you know,
53:22 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_05]: But, I mean, overall, like, I think I gave it, I figured if I gave it a three, three, three, who I'd probably get, but I liked it.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, I'll watch it again.
53:31 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_05]: It didn't teach me much new what I thought it was really well done.
53:35 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And it in a private chat, when my friends are sharing the stills of Karen and Frank, like, well, I'll always have these.
53:41 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
53:48 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So, what do you guys expecting for we know next up?
53:53 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Spider-Man brand new day releases July 31st and that will include the punisher as we've seen in trailers and Hulk, as I said.
54:02 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I've dare devil born again season three has been filming.
54:06 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I hope Frank was in that.
54:08 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_05]: We don't really know and we have no idea what role any of these characters are going to play in Doomsday and I think
54:18 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_05]: What do your guys thought on the future of Frank Ketzel, considering secret wars is coming fast?
54:23 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I kinda hope my Murdoch shows up in Spiderman, because I don't mind the Murdoch can be a parker actually.
54:31 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I've quite good chemistry and the things that they've had.
54:37 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not really, I'm not really looking forward all that much to new day to be honest, because I didn't, I didn't like whether the last Spider-Man ended up.
54:49 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I always think, well, I always think when you're giving characters, I'm knee here, that's a really bad sign for your story, because it shows, screams to me that you're running out of ideas.
55:01 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_02]: and i really don't need another i really don't need another movie where peopalkaran Mary jayna so flancing around with the flancing around with the shea the shea the shea the shea the shea the shea the shea we do rather he let her be and like you know meet this universe is Gwen Stacy or whatever
55:20 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't ever, I can't ever, whatever we cover, we can't just have one happy couple, just just one happy couple, why can't we just what?
55:29 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we got Jessica.
55:31 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We got Jessica and you.
55:33 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we got Jessica and you.
55:35 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we haven't gotten to see much of them yet.
55:37 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that's true, that
56:08 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic Four.
56:09 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: True.
56:09 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: True.
56:10 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Sue and Reed, I think they're perfectly happy.
56:14 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They were ecstatic to welcome another child into their life.
56:18 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were in a range room, but yeah, I guess.
56:22 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_05]: because their brother and their best friend moved.
56:24 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah exactly, it's just a little bit.
56:26 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's crazy.
56:27 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Not to me.
56:28 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's done it family.
56:30 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a proponent of extended family living.
56:33 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
56:34 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, multi-generational expanded families.
56:37 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a product of that.
56:39 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's perfectly cool.
56:41 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I think...
56:44 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I...
56:46 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree with the amnesia being like a last resort because it's pulling from a very very well done comic story for Peter Parker.
57:03 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they're going, I should probably say, I've never read any of the, I've never read any of the All right, so but it's it's pulling from a very, very well done Peter Parker story with Mary Jane and and what it means that upset a lot of comic a lot of people and and who read comics a lot of the blurs and nerds
57:26 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_01]: were upset with what they did to Peter and MJ, just like he was expressing right now.
57:33 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And it absolutely wrecked the fandom.
57:41 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It wrecked the fandom.
57:43 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_01]: This was
57:44 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: the people are still talking about it now, right?
57:48 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What they did 20 years ago to Peter and MJ.
57:52 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think that there is some truth to that that you want to see, you know, people who are happy in some part of their life, right?
58:04 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_01]: because we're getting characters who are adults and who have relationships beyond saving the universe and what does that look like?
58:13 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think if we're gonna tell more adult, more mature stories, then we have to delve into those sorts of categories as well.
58:21 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I told the agree.
58:22 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But I am looking forward to browning today.
58:25 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
58:26 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you agree with me that we probably won't see any of these dare devil characters in a sorry, I'm calling the Punisher Dare Devil character, but just for simplicity?
58:37 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_05]: We won't see them in doomsday, but rather more likely secret wars, or do you think they might show up in doomsday?
58:45 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_05]: There's so many people already in doomsday.
58:47 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, can I tell you what I think's going to happen for doomsday?
58:55 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So I have been reading the original Secret Wars comics from the 80s.
59:00 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_05]: So not the 2016 ones.
59:03 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but in this, in the original ones, which I know the Russo brothers grew up loving, they take the, the, the, the, the, the, I don't know that the, not that I think to be on there is going to show up here.
59:15 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I could see like do or something playing role like this, but they end up extracting groups of characters to another planet, which I think the void would be a stand in for in this universe.
59:27 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they fight each other, like we've been seeing in the trailer, like we see the Avengers and the X-Men fight each other that comes up through there.
59:34 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's kind of what I'm wondering if Doomstays going to have a lot of that DNA in it.
59:39 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
59:39 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_05]: And therefore, it's a good excuse not to have people like, you know, Punisher and Daredevil know what's going on at the time it's happening until it's happened.
59:54 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
59:55 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to, from my reading of what's happening in the movies, I think they're going to pull much more from the second secret was.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, four secret wars, but I'm saying four doomsday.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: For doomsday, because that's what, that's what leads to the incursions lead to secret wars.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Why they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, that story.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_05]: They're combining them, but part of me wonders if they're
01:00:23 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_05]: the first, yeah, anyway, that's me.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I know the Russo Brothers group loving this series.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I said, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, because it's so that that first comic is just so like, okay, here's this, you know, I'm at the end, oh, powerful being.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just going to pluck these characters and put them on play the others and show up.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, not to be on them.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just gonna fight, I'm gonna make them fight because I want to see what happens, right?
01:00:56 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's the core of the story of what they're trying to do.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, all right, all right, I'm just, yeah, I think that everyone they've announced in Doomsday and who he suspect to be there, I kind of don't want them to add anymore because it'll be too much, there won't be time to focus on any groups.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll see these characters in Doomsday.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because doomsday to me, again, this is my speculation.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the end of the MCU as we know it to usher in something new.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So they may not play prominent roles at all, but you may see a face here and there.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you will see them, not they won't be part of the movie, but you will see reaction montage at the end.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you will see them, you will know that they existed in this world, in this universe.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_05]: But where do you think Daredevil born again season three will fit in?
01:01:51 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Will it be in this in between doomsday and secret wars or will it be like,
01:02:01 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_05]: They could keep it going indefinitely, if they said it before that.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They said before it.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a good complicated.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Luke, we, what do you, I mean, obviously, as you said, you're not as into the comics, but what are your hopes as a non-comic's reader for these films coming up this year?
01:02:20 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just, as far as doomsday goes, I just, I'm with you, Alisha, I think there's already far too much going on in this film.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So I really hope they, I really have these stick to the landing with this.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got, um,
01:02:37 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: friends or massive fans of the original Avengers movie were very sort of upset with Robert Danny Jr coming back as um as Dr. Doom because it just feels like it feels like um fans if it feels like bad fanservice on on Marvel's part frankly um to be honest I'm much more
01:03:05 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, then I, and then I am to any of the movies.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, okay, I think for quite a while, Marvel's best work has been on TV.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, not really, not with the films.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think with exceptions, like Thunderbolts, I kind of agree within the past few years, but I know not everyone likes the shows that I like.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, but next up is actually going to be not in this universe.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_05]: So we have Spider-Noir with Nick Cage.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_05]: They're binge dropping at May 27.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm very excited for that.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to get a black and white version and a color version.
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to watch Black and White first then color.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So am I. Yeah.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's going to be the nerd way to do it.
01:03:57 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Then we get super girl June 26 on the DC side, then back to Marvel for Spider-Man, brand new day, July 31st, and then we have a date now for the next DC thing, starting August 18th, eight episodes, lanterns.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_05]: John, you called, you said, is this still your most anticipated thing of the year?
01:04:20 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think John Stewart, Green Lantern is one of my favorite characters.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I waited a long time to see the two of them, how and John on screen together.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited about this.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_05]: And where it is now, they just an interview where they said it's going to be following two timelines.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't see that interview.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's going to be like when John Stuart first joins and then the present day.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know about that.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what that we don't want.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the one the two timelines that you're wasting.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, because we're seeing different sports development.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But that should be a separate thing I think.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited about it.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:12 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a full show.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_05]: We got eight whole episodes.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're still.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I love how I think of that as like even on the longer side now.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_05]: They've changed me.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Um.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, we've got lots of else going on in the Lohan's feed.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Until then, just you guys just wrapped up the mall.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Shout-a-lord.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_05]: That's coverage.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_05]: What a great show.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_05]: John Marilyn Mai just released a project Hail Mary episode as that came out on digital on the 12th.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_05]: David's been busy with stuff like an interview about Star Wars and Star Trek with Dr. Amy Sturgis and the pit season wrap up.
01:05:51 --> 01:06:06 [SPEAKER_05]: And next week, come back in for a widows-based mid-season check-in, and the Mandalorian and Grogu also releases in theaters next week, and there will be some coverage of that at some point after we're figuring that out.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I just watched, I just watched widows-be.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?
01:06:10 --> 01:06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?
01:06:11 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The first episode?
01:06:13 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_05]: The first episode, what do you think?
01:06:15 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of hooked.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they end and hand me like what the hell?
01:06:20 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on here?
01:06:22 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, yeah.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm in the show.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You're in the show.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the show.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the show.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, I think it's one of their shows where each week episode gets better than the next.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_05]: word now for episodes in.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's funny, hard for anyone who doesn't know on Apple TV, basically set on an island that a mayor is desperate to prove isn't as actually horribly haunted as everyone says it is.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'll just leave it at that.
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01:07:38 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have any horses in this race?
01:07:40 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, death is solid, absolutely death is starling all the way.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of my absolute all time favorite movie, though.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm surprised to immerse is leading so hard.
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01:07:56 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That is surprising.
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of love for tremors.
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01:08:07 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a properly Howard's where they're doing, actually, they're going to do a check in apparently on the first four episodes of Widows Bay this week.
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01:08:27 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I think they're going to be checking in on the boys' final season that's been airing soon.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And my own will shift dust, Luke, what have we been doing over there?
01:08:37 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We have been looking at the first teaser trailer because season three will be out on July the third
01:08:47 --> 01:08:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm so excited.
01:08:48 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be out on July the 3rd on Apple, so Apple released the first easy trailer and a whole bunch of photos.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So men, Alicia, have been spending way too much time into aggregating a 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th or 5th.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I did a spoolie spoilers discussion also with Abby, where she joked that we were doing one minute per second, and then we kind of... And the store was kind of in timeline podcast, I'm still been focusing on subscribers for that, who are going to get a rot at the hut.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_05]: a horror bomb sort of episode just before Mando and Grogo come out next week because rather the huts played by Jeremy Allen White, Jabba the Huts son, showing up in that movie.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Luke what's going on with it could be said?
01:09:42 --> 01:09:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Well having a bit of a difficult time with it could be said at the moment because British politics which is mostly what it could be said covered is moving so fast and it's so weird directly and they won't actually give us time to record a podcast
01:09:57 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: we'll be talking about all the myriad with this thing going on over the last two weeks now at this point at some point, at some point soon.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We just need, we just need people to stop doing stuff for a good 24, 48 hours, then we can catch up.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's coming, just bear with us.
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