Jean, Luke, and Elysia are back to wrap up their discussion of Daredevil: Born Again season 2 with an analysis of episodes 5 through 8, and plenty of speculation of where this story will go in season 3, not to mention the Punisher special presentation next week and everything else going on in the MCU this year or next.
They're asking the important questions, from who is the least empathetic character on this show to when we will get the Buck–Pretty Woman crossover of Elysia's dreams. Plus, tips on the most essential comics to read to prepare for the next part of this tale.
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00:52 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So check out our mid-season check-in episode, covering episodes 1-4 and we also did a spoiler-free review of the season so far at the beginning of that.
01:03 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But this time we are going to be getting straight into spoilers up to and including the season 2 finale, so make sure you're all caught up.
01:12 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And as always, this is your blanket spoiler warning for all other Marvel films, TV shows, books, or comics that have ever been released, we will consider ourselves free to reference any of this lore at Will.
01:25 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll also consider ourselves free to talk about Luke Cage, actor, Mike Colter's selfies with his castmates, and what that tells us about season 3, because the season finale has pretty much confirmed which direction the story is going.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right.
01:41 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So jumping back in, uh, we talked more about this last time.
01:44 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously showrunners Dario Scarta Pane.
01:47 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what the show is about by this point.
01:49 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope or her co-back and started the beginning.
01:52 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we're going to be talking about four episodes today.
01:56 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So episodes five and six were directed by Angela Barnes, who also directed three episodes of Iron Heart.
02:02 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Episode 5 is called the Grand Design, written by Jesse Wigitau, who's the most prolific episode writer this season after Chevron and Scatterpony.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_02]: that was released April 14th.
02:14 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Episode six, Requiem, was written by Devin Kilger and Jesse Wigital.
02:20 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, episodes seven and eight were directed by Ian M. McDonald.
02:26 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Episode seven, the hateful darkness, written by Heather Belson, who also wrote episode three.
02:31 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And she wrote an interview with the Vampire episode, and there's no greater compliment.
02:35 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I can give a writer than saying that, oh, they worked on interview with the Vampire.
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: They must be good.
02:42 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_02]: that was released April 28th episode 8, the finale called the Southern Cross written by Dario Scotapami, the showrunner himself and Jesse Wilcatal released May 5th.
02:54 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to talk about it all.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Luke, what did you think?
02:57 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_02]: What are your fresh takes full spoilers on the table?
03:00 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you think about these last four episodes?
03:02 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I really liked them.
03:05 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought the last four episodes built tension really well.
03:12 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_04]: It was great to see Jessica Jones back in all the jacquitted glory.
03:22 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I love the scene with her and Danielle, where the swatine comes to raid the house and Danielle is just walking around with the
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Man, if you said that, I need that.
03:34 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not the toy.
03:36 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I hope this is a preview to a new series of Jessica Jones as a standalone thing.
03:45 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Kristen Racer has been really sort of tightlets about that.
03:49 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Sort of said she'd like to do it, but didn't really give any hints beyond that.
03:57 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought this, it's set up where we're going in future seasons really nicely.
04:04 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope Mr. Charles is a recurring character because I just like him and I think it leaves bulls eye in a very interesting place and I'll be sleeping in a matmo doc in prison.
04:25 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna definitely dissect all of this.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: What about you, Jean?
04:31 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: What are your overall thoughts in these four worlds?
04:34 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_08]: This was an incredible series and an incredible season.
04:38 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it was very well done.
04:42 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_08]: I think the stand out episode is Southern Cross, the last episode, the finale, I think that was the episode for me that really solidified everything, and they really did a wonderful job of just delving into, I think, who met Murdoch
05:07 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_08]: is, and what he's trying to be and what he wants to represent.
05:13 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, I was totally on board with, it was just a great, great season, Jessica being back.
05:23 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_08]: That as, as always, I'm very interested to see where her story goes, especially as it relates to her powers.
05:31 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, we'll talk about it when we talk about it, but then this was just really
05:36 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_08]: really well done.
05:39 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that this was a really strong ending to the season.
05:45 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you, especially the last episode in episode five.
05:48 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I have strong and bevelent feelings about I think that there is a lot of really good writing, but I'm also, you know, they talked about
06:01 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Killing off Vanessa's so that they would there would be like parallel with Matt losing foggy and I'm like no both deaths.
06:10 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We're wrong Best characters on this show Stop it Everybody's gonna get out of here alive, okay?
06:20 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Not everybody, but just the people but like I am watching the show
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_08]: That's fair, that's fair.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote down here.
06:30 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been this upset about losing a queen since Rene's my dad.
06:34 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
06:36 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, spoiler for Hot Dragon years ago.
06:39 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Hot Dragon, I'm written hot D. How is it?
06:47 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but, you know, Dex better live forever because he is my greatest source of delight lately.
06:56 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I want to see I'm really intrigued with where they left him going off to Madreport with Mr. Charles.
07:02 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see Madreport next season.
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be fun.
07:06 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And guys, after that whole conversation, we got an answer to the question of who Daniel Blake would ultimately choose.
07:15 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you deserve serious into that point.
07:18 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I paved.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I paved and agreed with you guys.
07:21 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought I'd do it.
07:23 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you did.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you did.
07:25 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It was my first instinct was to give him more credit.
07:28 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But then I was like, oh, yeah.
07:31 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He came close, but he didn't.
07:34 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he waived there for a bit.
07:36 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:39 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But all right, let's get into our full spoiler breakdown.
07:43 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We are going to be talking about all four episodes at once.
07:46 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, make sure you're caught up or you know, you've already been spoiled, otherwise.
07:51 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be going product by product, not episode by episode.
07:55 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So keep that in mind.
07:57 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But we have to start with an episode five event, death of a queen pin.
08:04 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were kind of into Nile about whether Vanessa was going to die after getting glass in the temple, which doesn't seem like it should be that fatal, but anyway.
08:18 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_02]: glass in the temple you have skull there like yeah he was wedged it was wedged in pretty deep there like I don't know I don't know that I like it's not hitting her brain from there I don't buy it
08:35 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: broke and shown.
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's the pineapple juice that did it is.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She gets tingly lips, maybe a killer.
08:45 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_08]: The glass in the temple is not enough.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_08]: What is enough?
08:48 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if I were in her throne, I would buy it more, but okay, okay.
08:56 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Jail, how did you feel about Vanessa's death, the fact of it, and how it was handled?
09:01 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_08]: I thought it was handled well, um, I think that that entire, you know, that that are with him and her, had to end the way that it ended, like, he had to lose something, right?
09:18 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think that that was, she was always in the, in harm's way.
09:23 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_08]: She was always in harm's way, and I never felt safe for her, even in the Netflix series.
09:29 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
09:30 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_08]: I never once felt safe for her, not because of it, of it being some sort of the plot, but just because of the nature of the characters, their lives, like she was a target, and given what she did to Dex,
09:47 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_08]: it made sense that he would try to take her out.
09:55 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_08]: And that he Wilson was the instrument to actually carry that out, that was some shit.
10:04 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Because he can try to blame everyone else, he can try to do, you know, pasta, the buck, to everyone else, but at the end of the day,
10:15 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_08]: his deflection and also his lifestyle, the way he lived his life, what he would hurt into.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_08]: She participated in it.
10:23 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
10:24 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Quite willingly.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, willingly.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Without a doubt.
10:27 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_08]: So she was her own agency and she was complicit and all the misdeeds and crimes that he committed that they committed.
10:39 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_08]: to maintain their whole, to maintain their power.
10:43 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_08]: But I always felt that she was always in a position where her safety was not guaranteed and it proved out in this series.
10:54 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, yeah, where do you think Luke?
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's often overlooked, but I think it is worth sort of saying that out loud.
11:03 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Vincent Denoffrio, just in habit, start wrong.
11:07 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_04]: He just is Wilsonfest to the point where I really can't imagine another act of playing that part.
11:14 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_04]: If they ever want to do another adaptation, or if they ever need to recast it, they're going to be in serious.
11:21 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_04]: serious issues there because Vincent Delafroke is Wilson Fisk and I think the way he balances between anger, despair, hope, you know, through this and the following across two episodes is really, really, really
11:45 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_04]: really well done, um, and this is the thing, you shouldn't ever feel sorry for Wilson Fisk, you shouldn't ever feel bad for the guy, given all of the heinous shit that he's done, and yet you do, or at least I did anyway.
12:05 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
12:06 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He definitely has his moments.
12:07 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm bummed by the way, when that doctor, when the surgeon pops him on the shot, it's the dude.
12:16 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_04]: You are so dead.
12:19 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_04]: He was so so dead.
12:21 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he gets the hug of death.
12:24 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he deserved it.
12:26 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_08]: He deserved it.
12:27 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.
12:27 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.
12:28 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_08]: That's one of the
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_08]: The guy trying his best.
12:32 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_08]: That's one murder.
12:33 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm cool.
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm cool with that murder.
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
12:36 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, but okay, he's a question, though.
12:37 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, okay, so the crime of this poor doctor who was just trying to come for a man is he quotes William Penn to him.
12:47 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So he says, they that love beyond the world cannot be separated by it.
12:51 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Death cannot kill what never dies.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Which, okay, fine.
12:54 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're in the throes of immediate grief, like, you know, like, I don't want to hear
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But they were used the rest of the poem, which is actually quite lovely.
13:04 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Nor can spirits ever be divided that love and live in the same divine principle, the roots and record of their friendship.
13:11 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_02]: If absent be not death, neither is theirs, death is but crossing the world.
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_02]: As friends do the seas, they live in one another still.
13:20 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_02]: For they must need to be present, that love and live in that which is omnipresent.
13:28 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_02]: their converse is free as well as pure.
13:31 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the comfort of friends that though they may be said to die, yet their friendship and society are in the best sense ever present because of mortal.
13:40 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And so this comes from some fruits of solitude or more fruits of solitude by William Penn.
13:47 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And he could have just said like, she'll live on inside you.
13:50 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry for your loss and walked out here.
13:54 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_04]: But actually, I don't think it was anything that he said.
13:58 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was that he was presumed to play James on on first gear.
14:04 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, this guy's a character has a very sort of weird relationship, sort of touch and being tactile.
14:13 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think, yeah.
14:15 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Wilson Fisk is definitely somebody you want to ask permission of before you try and hook them.
14:21 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think there's anything to do with what a surgeon says.
14:24 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's, I think, what triggers it is basically.
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
14:30 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_04]: As the presumption.
14:32 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and this, this, this that, this that lovely bit with Vanessa goes tell me a story tell me how we met and that that is, that was really sweet and the way he laughed when she said you paid like at least three times.
14:46 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the price for it.
14:47 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, oh yeah, break it
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: broke my head.
14:51 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We got the flashbacks to that was flashbacks to season one of the Netflix Daredevil for anyone who hasn't watched that, which is where he first got that rabbit in this no storm white painting, which we see just destroyed in later episodes of season.
15:05 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that was really like, and she repeats it several times.
15:09 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_02]: So it means like in her last, as her brain is shutting down the last thing, it wants to linger on.
15:15 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It's her romance with him.
15:18 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I was, yeah, I'm not happy about the fact of her death, but I do think it was well-handled, however.
15:24 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
15:24 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
15:26 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
15:26 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you know, you know, when they do the thing with the pineapple juice, where all of us, she doesn't like pineapple juice and then she does, did you guys think from, oh, they're going to do a fetus gauge here?
15:35 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be like, you know, a railroad spike through the head.
15:38 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did one of that when it was going to be like so anyone who doesn't know Phineas gauge is he was a railroad worker who got a spike through the head and he lived But it changed his personality forever because of the brain damage
15:54 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, speaking of changing.
15:57 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not even changing personality, showing his true colors.
16:00 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_02]: This is where we also see the first in this series of tests for Daniel and BB, where, um, Buck tells Daniel about the cheese and critical condition, or no, or did Fisk tell Daniel.
16:14 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, someone tells Daniel.
16:15 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was, it was bug.
16:17 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
16:18 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And Danielle tells BB and then it's on the news.
16:23 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And so he knows she's the leak.
16:26 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll get back to that.
16:29 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: The other half of that first episode because they really wanted to emphasize parallel losses is we got foggy foggy on our screen, but not alive because
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It's screw you.
16:42 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to fall in.
16:47 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to flash back to Matt and Foggy before they had their own practice and they are defending Foggy's friend's brother from childhood, named, uh, he knew him as Ray, but his real name's not in all, and
17:00 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He reminded me this part reminded me remember that guy last season.
17:04 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember his name, but Matt was defending him even though he was being a total dick to him, but he's still the point is like even a total dick deserves justice.
17:16 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
17:18 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_08]: I remember, I remember that, but I think this is different though.
17:22 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_08]: Me because Fog Fog he had a person, a connection to this person who was being outwardly hostile towards him, right?
17:33 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_08]: He's offering help and this guy's just,
17:35 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_08]: being a total, you know, jerk, whereas in the previous, the one that you're talking about from last year, he's just taking the case pro bono.
17:45 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't know this person from anywhere.
17:48 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_08]: And he's like, I'm going to defend, I'm going to defend you.
17:52 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_08]: I think foggy, I hated that he wanted to help this guy.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_07]: I did.
17:58 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_08]: I hated that you wanted to help this guy and I think that was part of being a hero of helping people you don't necessarily want to help.
18:12 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And this is exactly what Matt is trying to do in relation to Wilson.
18:18 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, if, so Luke, you and I have our, we have our Sims Nards scale of morality, the Julia of the Sims Nards.
18:25 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:26 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: If we were to do a Daredevil theme to scale of empathy, if we put foggy on one end on the most empathetic end of the scale, who would be the other extreme, who is the least empathetic character?
18:47 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he has a very good sense of what the yes strong sense of what he's feeling but not very good sense of what are the people of feeling Hmm Do you think he's worse than for instance the Connor Powell guy the sadest AVTF guy?
19:05 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm fair enough.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_04]: I hadn't considered them.
19:08 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
19:09 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sure.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's not a big enough character to be honest.
19:11 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So we've got, we've got a pound of fuggy scale.
19:16 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start with the good one, right?
19:17 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: In a pal.
19:19 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, Joe?
19:20 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I, when you asked the question, I immediately thought Powell, you know, if we're doing the scale foggy on one end and who's on the opposite, it would be Powell to me.
19:34 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just saying a lot, considering Fisk.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Consider who Fisk is.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, and yes.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely.
19:41 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole gang.
19:42 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_08]: They, you can see my new ones with, go ahead, dude.
19:46 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, what was Ray call like, foggy?
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_04]: What was the thing?
19:49 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Was it Fembot, foggy?
19:51 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:52 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:53 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, foggy Fembot, yeah.
19:55 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_08]: You can see the nuances with fisc and buck.
20:02 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_08]: There's no nuance to power.
20:04 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_02]: We write it's true.
20:06 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
20:06 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen not a single redeeming second of it.
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_08]: Not a one.
20:12 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
20:12 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:13 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but this yeah, this was definitely emphasizing why foggy's an empathetic character and why he needs to be on the show, but like foggy he understands because he like you said he knew this guy growing up and he like that really touched me when Ray said to foggy, you know, I never had a friend like that and probably he's like, I know.
20:37 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
20:37 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He gives him a lot of grace because he knows he's not really had much kindness in his life.
20:44 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
20:45 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I can respect it, but I didn't want, yeah.
20:48 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But he also, I don't know if I would give my, all my savings to him, but it does help him get away.
20:56 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He does live.
20:57 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how long because I guess Basky buck wasn't very committed to tracking him down.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_08]: No, not that we know of.
21:04 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I like to think you disappeared, but I just've gone back to what I said on the previous podcast.
21:12 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that episode kind of really demonstrates in a really neat way what this particular series is missing because the back and forth between Matt and foggy is just, it gives the show a bit
21:31 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Daredevil is quite dark in its themes and its characterisation and just to have somebody map fields that are comfortable with because I hate saying this but but he doesn't feel as comfortable, he doesn't feel as comfortable with the camera as you feel the fuck.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Say that to that, say that a little louder for the folks in the back.
21:43 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey
21:57 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I hate it, I hate it, but yeah, the whole thing whether that whole thing, whether I'm making fun of the boss, you know, his particular pick of the loads, it's just, it's fun and Charlie Cox, and I can't remember the guy who plays Foggy's name, but they have their really good comic time in.
22:19 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Elden Henson.
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they have really good comic time in.
22:23 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm.
22:24 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't disagree.
22:25 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, they're just a natural chemistry between them and I hope that they saw that and they're going to use the obvious story.
22:32 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They're setting up, which actually, well, we'll get to it.
22:34 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to it.
22:37 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but speaking of fun things, you know what?
22:39 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So we saw Buck has definitely gotten a glow up since like when we first see him, he's got kind of like a mallet and like baseball cap thing going on.
22:47 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So I want clearly he took on Wesley's sense of polished James Bond like style.
22:54 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Where is our flashback montage where they do a makeover together?
22:58 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, where Wesley takes him to his tailor because clearly clearly that clearly focused
23:06 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but first buck has to like walk out a few times in the wrong outfit, but first like, no, no, not that, not the cowboy love that's not here.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's try another.
23:17 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, not a sailor.
23:20 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_04]: The scene like the scene in pretty woman.
23:22 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
23:25 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, we see here that Foggy directly inspires Matt not to leave Dex behind for the vigilante task force.
23:37 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Sean, you're shaking your head.
23:38 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Were you also like surprised that Matt would consider leaving him behind?
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_08]: I was hoping he would leave him behind.
23:48 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_08]: I was so upset, but again, this is Matt Murdoch and his story on his way back to who he wants to be and I was really pissed off that he saved.
24:06 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, sir.
24:08 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_08]: Like there's there's no world that I can be okay with that.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_08]: There's no world.
24:14 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I can't.
24:15 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
24:16 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was already upset with him for even flirting with the idea of leaving him behind.
24:20 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Not only for Bozai, but also because they were, the pre-sling, whatever, pre-sling.
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Pre-sling.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Pre-sling.
24:31 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: he was he was lying for them covering them.
24:34 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually honestly worried that the AVTF they came in and they saw I mean to bulls I wasn't there but there was blood that made it kind of obvious and they never showed us what happened to the priestling after that.
24:46 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope he's okay.
24:48 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_08]: I hope so too, but I did not want Matt to say bulls are.
24:53 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_08]: And again, this is the hero's story, right?
24:57 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Like, what do you do with the person who has done the worst imaginable thing to you?
25:04 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, who's caused you so much harm, who's caused you so much pain, and here is that person, and you have literally their life in your hands, what are you going to do, and I wanted him to let him die.
25:19 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely, obviously, that's, you know, me, I'm pro, pro empathy, I was upset, no night nurse.
25:29 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't actually expect them to bring Rosario Dawson back, but they could have, and it couldn't have.
25:33 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_08]: They should have.
25:35 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Because there was a scene later on that we see that I was totally like, I hope that's her end.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't.
25:40 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_08]: I wasn't upset by who it was, but it's just, yeah.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_08]: How do you call it?
25:44 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you mean like, solid ad comes and helps.
25:47 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And you'll have a, which, yeah, fine, if it's not Claire, you know, nightmares from the Netflix series for those who don't know, she was in all of the Netflix series.
26:00 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Then, okay, fine, solid ad makes sense, but I hope they bring back Brasario Dawson.
26:05 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_08]: I bet she would do.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
26:08 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: To help patch up the vigilantes.
26:13 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Would it but what did you think okay so you don't you did you feel for Dex when he wanted Karen to kill him?
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I didn't feel fine.
26:23 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to hurt the shooting even though he was like you didn't feel sad for him That you like wanted to die.
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_08]: Nope.
26:30 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh Man, I mean is this because because he shot foggy or Because he's a terrible person
26:38 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he though he's one of the guys he said so I take him at his right no I really I really understood what can was feeling in that moment
26:56 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
26:57 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't you I don't condone.
27:00 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to see I don't want to see Karen pull the trigger of course Because what that would do to her is you know irreparable right, but I Understand it and I and I got it.
27:13 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_08]: She's killed before in that moment.
27:16 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right and Yeah, I wouldn't have felt
27:22 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_08]: It felt true to me, you know, for her to want to exact their vengeance on on him and then yeah.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_04]: If they killed X, who's gonna take our ATVF guys in comical ways?
27:36 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, spoons and toothpicks.
27:41 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm lobster clots.
27:41 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, that's a good one.
27:42 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a good one.
27:44 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, and there's a great point.
27:45 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I'm not disputing that.
27:48 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a character.
27:49 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you guys notice that X has sexual chemistry with every single character?
27:54 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why did Karen have to straddle him to shoot him?
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_08]: her aim was off her aim was off.
28:02 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we including Mr. Charles and that first?
28:05 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good question.
28:06 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't seen them interact enough.
28:08 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They were just sitting next to each other in the plane at the end.
28:10 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good question.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Luke, here's a question for you.
28:14 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think about this argument that Matt and Karen had about killing Dex?
28:22 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like Karen's aligning more with Frank Castle.
28:27 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Philos, I think I mean, I knew that was where you were going.
28:32 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_04]: No, because because she didn't in the end because Matt stopped her.
28:39 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and they had a bit of an argument about it, but I think I think Karen came around in the end.
28:46 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_08]: She did, I would say so.
28:48 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I do think that that's one of those scenes where you really get the
28:55 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_04]: the Catholic overtook.
28:57 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say that the Christian overtooks, but it's more specific than the Catholic overtook, the entire thing.
29:06 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you're about sin and root out of shit.
29:12 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_04]: They talk about this in the Netflix series a lot.
29:16 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_04]: This kind of fight within Matt Murdoch
29:23 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's what these first two seasons were really about.
29:27 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_08]: It's about back finding himself in the way the season ended is just makes perfect sense to wrap it up in that way because this is about him, you know, his morality, you know, where is it?
29:45 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, but I wouldn't I wouldn't have given where we are at the end of the season, are they setting up for map to regret a session?
29:55 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
29:55 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd furthermore, are they setting up for him to change his mind?
30:00 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
30:03 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, yes, yes, and yes
30:05 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I will say about as much as, you know, I'm a castle with a K-girl, you know, I'm a, for Frank.
30:13 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I, that's apparently the official ship name, but you can't, if I say castle, it sounds like I'm just talking about Frank.
30:19 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:20 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
30:21 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It should be like Carrank or something.
30:24 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, that's, you got a rank on the ring, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it, you got
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, definitely.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
30:53 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think it's because of what Matt, of Cameron is so hurt throughout this season.
31:02 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
31:02 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
31:03 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_08]: And it took Matt being selfless in that way that he was.
31:08 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_08]: For, I think, for her to pull back from the edge, the ledge that she was standing on.
31:17 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.
31:18 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_08]: In the way that he was at the edge.
31:21 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_08]: made that, made her to me, made her step back, and reevaluate, reassess, and re, you know, center herself because she had gone totally to a place that I don't know she wants to be because I've never gotten the sense from any of the shows, any of the seasons that Karen appears in that she wants to be this person.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No, well, I mean, she does keep drifting to it.
31:51 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And we saw like in her flashback with her, that she has been kind of reckless and on the edge.
31:58 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I, and she did kill Wesley, of course, risks prior buck.
32:04 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm kind of hoping that in the in season three, we see more of Karen developing as a character outside of her relationships with Frank Castle and my word.
32:20 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to see more of who Karen is when she's not part of a couple or a group, who
32:32 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a theory, like a tinfoil hat theory that I will post you guys about that when we get to our season three speculation at the end of this episode, but this is a good spot to take a quick break and we'll go from one romance to another much satter one, the romance of buck and Daniel, after this quick break.
33:15 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So Daniel, so, so Buck takes Daniel for a drive up to Albany where you're like, is he going to kill him?
33:23 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's just kind of a creepy morning and he forces Daniel to help him bury the body of that first mate of the ship that Buck killed in the previous episode.
33:38 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what did you guys think that Buck was going to kill Daniel at this point?
33:43 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, absolutely.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
33:45 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, by the way, maybe I'm imagining this, but I think there was a soprano's Easter again.
33:52 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Could be because I think the location of that is the same tackle bait shop that they drove past in like the fourth or fifth episode of the soprano's.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_04]: We're totally
34:05 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Tony kills the informer.
34:08 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He's taking me down to look at colleges and they're sort of pulling to use a pay phone and Tony sees this ex mobsters of a walk out.
34:19 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's my own plane tricks, I mean, but it's swear it's the same shot.
34:25 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I swear it's the same location.
34:27 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, God, look into that.
34:28 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good touch.
34:29 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's where I admit again that I still haven't seen this upon those.
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Please don't leave any more one-star reviews for that fact.
34:36 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_02]: We've already had that taken care of by someone.
34:38 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I know I have.
34:41 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it was my brain playing tricks, honestly, but it looked very similar.
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, Michael Gunderfini,
34:51 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_04]: great piece of acting because he's just yeah he Daniel thinks he's gonna die and he's every reason to think for the years and he just conveys panic and desperation really really well.
35:08 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_08]: This was the first time that I felt that
35:13 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_08]: maybe he's regretting his life choices.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we definitely.
35:18 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel, you mean, yeah.
35:20 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're working for Facebook.
35:21 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Daniel, Daniel's reevaluating the choices that he's made.
35:26 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_08]: And this is the first time that I felt like, maybe he won't choose first.
35:33 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Watching that scene unfold was when I thought maybe he won't choose Fisk, and then the aftermath of that scene Just to see how he was moving around, really, yeah.
35:47 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_08]: So I think that was very well done to put, because it put the doubt in me where I had been so sure prior
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe there's a chance for him to be redeemed.
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
36:08 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was interesting to find out a little bit more books back still, right?
36:13 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_04]: As well, where they're driving along and he books telling him about it's time and Afghanistan.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
36:18 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that was a nice, you think?
36:21 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think maybe he knew Frank?
36:24 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Hmm, that's a good question.
36:25 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I would be like I said in the last podcast, I would be really interested to have a little bit of an SIS doubtful force thrown down just to see who would come off best, because I think I think book would give frontcastle run for his mother.
36:41 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's one of the few people that could.
36:44 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I think it would be a really nice detail if they had met, but yeah, I think.
36:53 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I think one of the things this room of episodes did quite well was to flesh book out as a side as a side character, if he felt much more, he felt much more fully-realized character after this four episodes than he has done for like a season and a half.
37:15 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it definitely complicates his character.
37:19 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But I still have questions like, like, okay, so he has to clean up after the doctor who's killed.
37:23 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly, people are going to notice that a surgeon has gone missing.
37:26 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how do you explain that away?
37:28 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, because nobody's asking that question.
37:32 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Because of Fisk, you're saying it is Fisk, yes.
37:35 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But also afraid to ask because they have to miss Gizagoon?
37:38 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
37:39 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And now, like, I guess Buck didn't know this, but Christopher, whatever, Christopher, whatever, Christopher, whatever, his name was, he had already made a recording for Karen and Matt, which we'll come back later in the trial.
37:51 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that he's dead and missing now is just even more suspicious.
37:56 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly, but it was, it was a great scene.
38:01 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_08]: The tour of them that drive.
38:04 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_08]: It was just, yeah, it was a wonderful one of wonderfully acted like Luke said, but it was just a great scene.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
38:12 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I also, I really liked how they played it between Daniel and BB when she went to his mom's house with him for his birthday.
38:20 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
38:21 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And so he's been told to give her false information to test her.
38:25 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And she...
38:29 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he tells her that Fisk isn't going to run again, which turned out to be true by accident.
38:35 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's about to tell the editor at the New York Bulletin about it, but she decides not to.
38:41 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And because I guess she, her feelings for Daniel are real.
38:46 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she almost kisses Daniel, but then he stops and is just completely honest.
38:52 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I mean, Luke, you're always quoting me on this communication.
38:59 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it can be unique, you should be who.
39:02 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it is said now he died and they didn't even get to kiss.
39:06 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I thought that the scenes were with, and especially in that episode, like you said at the house, seeing how Daniel grew up.
39:18 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_08]: I understood the choices that he's made, right?
39:23 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_08]: I understood where he's at, fly he's in the police days in.
39:28 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_08]: But I was hoping and praying that baby would not send the message along to her editor, not because I didn't want her to die, of course, no, I didn't want to be with her to die, but not because I didn't want her to be, you know, complicit in her demise,
39:56 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_08]: was truly trying to connect with her and all his flawed ways.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think she understood that.
40:08 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_08]: And she played to that.
40:11 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't want her to play to that any longer.
40:15 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I mean?
40:15 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't want her to abuse to use that.
40:21 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_08]: the way that she had previously.
40:24 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's how it started off, but I think by the time she goes to Daniel's mom, I don't think she's doing that anymore.
40:33 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I think she started off playing up to him, but I don't think that's where she was by the end.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_08]: Because I wasn't sure if she was going to send it on that.
40:43 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I know, I thought that was well played.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was also relieved that she didn't do it.
40:49 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:50 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Indeed not to protect her, but just to protect her character basically.
40:54 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_08]: Right, right, because I, you know, up until that point, I still felt like she was not the dishonesty, you know, in their relationship.
41:08 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_08]: was almost so all encompassing, you know what I mean?
41:13 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_08]: He's dishonest, he's dishonest, and these are two young people who are trying to find something, right?
41:20 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_08]: And they're both using each other and they're both, you know, completely comfortable using each other, and I just didn't want that to be anymore for both of them, you know?
41:33 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But that was my question in our last episode is like, how much of it is a real connection or how much is using each other and at the end, it seems there was a real connection on both sides.
41:44 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there was.
41:48 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you read you guys worried that Daniel was going to hand over because he takes her up to the front door of the house where buck is and then let's her go.
41:58 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a little close for comfort.
42:03 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it is, and I think a guy with books set of skills should probably have worked out what was going on, so yeah.
42:14 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So you guys heard that they actually changed it in post that they originally filmed it so that Buck shot beside Daniel's head because he just couldn't bring himself to kill him.
42:28 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And then afterwards they realized that like the story kind of needed them to let Buck kill Daniel as much as that hurts everybody involved.
42:40 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I think that's the right way to go.
42:42 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I think as much as book does like Daniel, it's not in book character to let him live any, and even if he had, like, what we're done and you live gone, what would he have done?
42:56 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he's, he's, it book hadn't killed them some of the going from the HBF, what have done?
43:05 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:06 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought that Daniel was going to be like standing for Fisk's son, but I guess not.
43:12 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And I do like the line, you know, how long until you're on the floor with it.
43:16 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
43:16 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Go on point.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:18 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:18 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Because yeah, this is, this is the thing about what was in Fisk.
43:22 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_04]: He demands loyalty, but he doesn't give it.
43:26 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I can think of other politicians like that.
43:29 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Criminal's going to criminal.
43:31 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_08]: You don't understand.
43:32 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you're going to do it.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_08]: They're going to do it.
43:34 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_08]: But that was a great line.
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_08]: That was a great line.
43:37 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_08]: And then I think Buck knows it.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he knows for sure.
43:41 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, he knows his life is not is not his own, you know, at that point.
43:48 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_08]: He understands what he signed up for and he and he gets it.
43:52 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, it was it was a sad death for Daniel.
44:00 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_08]: It was a very sad death for Daniel.
44:02 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:03 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And even Buck and Fisk both genuinely looked sad about it.
44:07 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they were fond of him.
44:10 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_08]: I think I think in a way that they can be.
44:13 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
44:14 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:14 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Buck was, I think in Fisk's case, it's more of a waste of a useful piece on the
44:28 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_04]: genuinely like Daniel on a human level?
44:32 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm not convinced Fisk did.
44:35 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I just think it sounded useful.
44:37 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Fisk has the capacity to care for certain people to a certain degree, and he cared about Daniel's much to see cared about anyone who isn't Vanessa.
44:50 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe, I don't think Fisk would put Daniel and Powell in the same class.
44:56 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he wouldn't care about killing Powell little.
45:00 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:01 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
45:02 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_08]: We wouldn't even see the slight hint of emotion that we got when he realized, you know, Buck had killed Daniel.
45:09 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't even get that if it was Powell.
45:19 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
45:21 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think he is who he is at the end of the day.
45:25 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Where is he?
45:27 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Where is he?
45:28 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean?
45:29 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
45:29 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_08]: Where is he?
45:31 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Where is he?
45:31 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you mean at the end of the street.
45:33 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Where is the end of the street?
45:34 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
45:35 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to remember.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Did we see him?
45:37 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Where do we see him?
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Where do we last see him?
45:39 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_08]: At the end of the season.
45:43 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_08]: where is book I'm trying to remember I can't please just I can't place where he's at physically where he's at we know where everybody else is at I mean I think he's still in New York I don't think anything's changed for him at this point but now he doesn't have Fisk to work for so he's kind of like he's not arrested he's not in jail no no
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_08]: We didn't see him in the line, right?
46:04 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No, so he's shot in the belly, of course.
46:09 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was shot in the belly.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_08]: So we don't know.
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_08]: We're presuming that he survived.
46:13 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm presuming that he survived.
46:14 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
46:15 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_08]: But we didn't get to see where he... No.
46:18 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_08]: Out of all the characters, we saw where everybody else was, physically.
46:22 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't think they showed us where Buck was physically.
46:25 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, just we last saw him bleeding from the cut in the courtroom floor.
46:30 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, we didn't get like the last, you know, wrap up at the end of the season.
46:36 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's all some other characters.
46:39 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think with that kind of with your gut shot like that, it hurts like nothing else.
46:46 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_04]: you've got quite a while before that will be fatal.
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think it's fine.
46:51 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_04]: If you can get to a hospital, you should be all right.
46:54 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think I think it'll turn out to be fine.
46:57 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But then that's like, is he going to be the man in the chair to, that's why there's news?
47:04 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so now we saw BB is now working at the New York Bulletin, where her grandfather used to work.
47:12 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_02]: is Buck still going to go after her.
47:15 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he going to blame her for quote-unquote forcing him to kill Daniel?
47:20 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_08]: It's Buck and Joe.
47:21 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_02]: No, nothing is not Joe.
47:23 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_08]: A hospital.
47:24 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_08]: He's hopefully a hospital.
47:26 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Is he free running around?
47:27 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think I think he's going to end up on a beat.
47:30 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to end up at the Biki place where I have the fiscalals.
47:34 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You think he'll do that rather than staying with Heather?
47:38 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think he's fish.
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Fist is not going to want him around.
47:45 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
47:46 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_08]: To be on the island.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Because Fist wants to be by himself.
47:51 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_08]: I think that what is he going to do for Fist on the island.
47:54 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
47:56 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
47:56 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_04]: This got a plan.
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_04]: He's always got a plan, so.
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Look pretty.
48:01 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
48:04 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure Fisk will find someone he wants to kill in the island.
48:07 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
48:09 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
48:10 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about some other friendships that are a bit warmer in character.
48:16 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Jessica Jones is in the house.
48:19 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Kristen Ritterwack and we find at the beginning we hear that Luke is working for Mr. Charles for the CIA via Mr. Charles in Madropore.
48:31 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_02]: doing what doing.
48:33 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
48:33 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I have so many questions.
48:36 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course Luke does show back up at the end and we find out that Dex has taken his place with Mr. Charles, but I just have so many questions.
48:42 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Why was he working for them in the first place?
48:45 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_02]: If he was working for them, why would that, those people presumably are the ones who attacked Jessica and you know, got baby girl Danielle with the grenade in her hands?
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why is this happening?
48:58 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, that was Mr. Charles of CIA and their ATVF, so don't assume that they're perfectly coordinated.
49:07 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_04]: No, nothing like that, but I think like what Jessica was saying is the basicly.
49:13 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_04]: It sounded like the agency sort of blackmailing Luke into working for us, so it's to not put Danielle and Jessica in harm's work.
49:22 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_04]: But this isn't quite make sense because it's not like guessing you can't look after us.
49:28 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but we find out how power is that on the first day.
49:31 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's interesting.
49:32 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That may be why someone who is mad like are you telling me the becoming a mother made her weaker boo
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
49:43 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_08]: And we have to remember she's not, you know, like bullets don't bounce off her.
49:48 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
49:48 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Even when she's, you know, fully, you know, who she is as a hero with all her powers.
49:54 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_08]: She's not an impervious to, you know, like her husband hurts.
49:58 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_08]: And so.
50:00 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_08]: the black male part I can definitely understand and we don't know how long her powers have been on the fritz it could be.
50:07 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_02]: She said since since then she was born and Danielle looks to be about what one then a half.
50:15 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah about 18 months also.
50:18 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_08]: And so, yeah, I could see them being blackmailed like, hey, if you don't do what we're asking you to do, then we're going to come after your family, both, and he knows that at this point maybe she can't withstand the full brunt of a police assault.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Although she does a great job at the house.
50:45 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Tell you that much.
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_08]: She kicked fucking ass.
50:47 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_08]: That was great.
50:48 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_08]: That was wonderful to watch.
50:50 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_02]: She's still bad at us.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Regardless, yeah.
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, absolutely.
50:54 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_08]: So it's going to be interesting to see if they play you off on that.
50:58 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_08]: Hopefully, our powers don't stay on the fritz for much longer.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
51:04 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, we'll see.
51:06 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, I wish that we could have seen her.
51:10 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope they give us flashbacks to show them because we last saw Jessica and Luke, it was nice that the whole Netflix defenders first wraps up with Jessica and Luke saying goodbye to each other, basically, or just like, hey, you know, not now, but maybe in the future.
51:30 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
51:30 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_02]: and obviously that came to play, it came to pass, which we would expect because they are one of the most iconic and long-lived couples in the comics.
51:40 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad to see it happen, but I want show me the romance.
51:43 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you keep skipping the romance parts?
51:47 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Just suddenly they're together.
51:48 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me the the yearning.
51:54 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_08]: We got plenty of the yearning in the Netflix loop case.
51:57 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure, sure,
52:00 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, and the Jessica Jones, I'm looking forward to seeing them as a couple working together next season because they have a fund dynamic in the comics where he's kind of more earnest than her in a lot of ways, but also his series left him in a different place.
52:20 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like he was taking over the nightclub and was kind of looking like he might be
52:31 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_08]: And maybe that's the black bell as well.
52:33 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it's not so much about Jessica being vulnerable, but it is about what he did.
52:40 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_08]: And you don't potentially mean lockback up.
52:43 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_08]: It's very hard to lock, but he's not gonna kill cops.
52:48 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, just maybe that's the black bell.
52:52 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Work for us, or all that shit that you did up in Harlem,
52:56 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to pin it all on you, Mariah and maybe you know the stuff that his brother did and yeah, Mariah, yeah, the whole crew.
53:02 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
53:17 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where they are, but it looks like somewhere upstate, it looks quite leafy.
53:23 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_08]: But at the end, they were back in health care.
53:25 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_08]: That's true.
53:26 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
53:26 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
53:27 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_08]: That's true.
53:29 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's true.
53:30 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, but like with a standalone house like that, anyway.
53:33 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
53:34 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I exist, but yeah.
53:36 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Queens, Brooklyn, that island.
53:38 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, church church church church church.
53:40 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, all the, all the, all the fiber Bronx, tree line streets, standing in the little houses.
53:46 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
53:46 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_08]: Don't listen to the, to the, to the,
53:51 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_08]: But it's great that they ended it again.
53:54 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_08]: We're getting ahead, but they're back in health kitchen in her office.
54:00 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_08]: It looks like, you know, so I'm really ready for a heroes for higher and that's really lean into that.
54:08 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be awesome.
54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
54:11 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a good note to take another quick break on.
54:13 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And when we come back, we're going to talk about Karen's climatic day in court.
54:36 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've got to say, Karen played a quite central role in this season when I think about it.
54:41 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like she was kind of the go between, between everyone, she was involved in all of the different shenanigans that were happening.
54:50 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But then she gets caught without her bad wigs at a protest.
54:56 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And
54:57 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_02]: after if only she'd have the wig nobody would have known it was her no yeah absolutely nobody's paying attention to that's clearly fake purple wig but after yeah pal kills one of her friends and blames a vigilantes and then she's caught being mad about it and that's how she gets arrested and then Karen gets like she gets beat up by both first choked by fisc
55:24 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, not in the sexy way that, uh, the feather and fuck we're doing.
55:32 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then, but then she and Heather, like, was it Luke you said to me, girl fight?
55:38 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Girl fight!
55:39 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:41 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_04]: It got, got what it went full board Jerry Springer there for a, for a, for a, for a minute.
55:47 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised Karen was really needling Heather like that was kind of a dick move where obviously okay Heather has not turned out well and Matt definitely dodged a little bit.
55:59 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say but if you know you're dating someone's ex don't be a dick to the ex about it.
56:06 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_02]: She probably feels bad enough already
56:10 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, she's, I'm all in on Karen, I'm all in on Karen, I'm all in on Karen, you know, read that reader, read her, you know what I'm saying, put her out, that's what you do, that's what you do, you're coming ahead, you know, stick talking, this is what you get, you know what I'm saying, you can't handle it, don't talk, you know what I'm saying, don't talk, this is what it is, that's yeah.
56:40 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure the no-slap was actually delivered, but it looked pretty woman convincing.
56:46 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet they slapped a bit, and they'd probably added more sound.
56:50 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
56:51 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
56:51 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
56:51 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And make up obviously to bruise her face.
56:54 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, it's grand central station in Karen's jail cell, because, uh, that she, um, Brett Mahoney also sneaks her out to talk to Matt for a minute.
57:05 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_02]: This is just everybody's coming in and out of the jail cells.
57:09 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But then yeah, it's, it's a close call.
57:11 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt almost doesn't make it to the trial because, uh, he also, how many people got shot this season?
57:20 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And not like an usual Punisher takes them all out kind of way, but just a lot of main characters are walking around with bullets in them.
57:27 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, bullets at least.
57:29 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of bleeding.
57:30 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a sufferer.
57:32 --> 57:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
57:33 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_02]: or not walking around.
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
57:35 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_02]: As the case may be.
57:36 --> 57:37 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a suffering.
57:37 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I like that you said that goes back to the.
57:40 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_02]: The couple.
57:40 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
57:41 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
57:45 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Were you guys surprised about Matt reviewing his identity in court?
57:53 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I love the series, but can't I thought it was so cheesy?
57:57 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like, like, you could literally put that on toast.
58:01 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_04]: That was so good.
58:03 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it.
58:04 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I, I kind of expected it to happen.
58:07 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll admit I watched a clip that just, they didn't show that part, but it just showed him questioning Fisk.
58:15 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as I said that clip was released on YouTube the day before the episode came out.
58:19 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as I saw that clip, I was like, oh, he's going to reveal his identity, isn't he?
58:23 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But then it actually happened.
58:27 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I know this call is like, you know, to quite a decade, it's not a call, it's, you know, I think you've been tribunal.
58:35 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, it's a farce.
58:36 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_08]: The farce.
58:37 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But like seriously, I really don't think you could have lawyers after a trial begins.
58:44 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And the way they were doing like what objections they were sustaining and which ones that were overruling, I swear they've got like a coin, they've fled it because... Well, the judge had proved herself corrupt.
58:56 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:56 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_02]: In the previous hearing.
58:58 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
58:59 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was actually remarkable like that and I don't know if I don't think if Matt hadn't done that, things would not have gone their way.
59:07 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_02]: But then he backed Fisk into a corner because he's like, we all, you said Daredevil was on the ship, right?
59:14 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You know who Daredevil is, right?
59:16 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:17 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I am Daredevil and then does his like, throwing his stick around.
59:23 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I liked it.
59:24 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That works for me.
59:26 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it works for me too.
59:27 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_08]: It works for me.
59:28 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_08]: I thought the the the whole court scene was, you know, fantastical.
59:35 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think that's in keeping with what you said Alicia that we saw that the judges were already corrupt.
59:42 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_08]: So this was not this was not a traditional court.
59:45 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think they played into that.
59:46 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_08]: you know, this was not how trials traditionally go and the absurdness of some of the antics that the lawyers, you know, were allowed to get away with or just doing just fed to me, fed to me the fact that this court itself was.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_08]: laughable.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I mean?
01:00:07 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Like this trial is the entire thing was just, you know, joke.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_08]: So, let's really lean into it and do these absurd things because of the absurdity of it all.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, this is not just this, this is not how justice is ever gotten, and not in this country
01:00:32 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_08]: this looks familiar for other people.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't, right?
01:00:36 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, just you can't imagine tribunal of judges.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_08]: It was just overruling every defense motion, everything that a defense has to offer, unless you really pay attention to the American criminal justice system.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_08]: And to watch it
01:00:59 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_08]: And it's a nice call back to me as I was watching it.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_08]: I was thinking of the guy that you spoke to about earlier, Alicia, from season from last season, who was going to jail for stealing the candy.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, for repeat offender, candy bars dealer.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_08]: So it was like these two, you know, courtroom situations where we see our criminal justice system on trial for itself and what a force it is.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, the other thing I really appreciated about the way it was set up is that they, you know, they, they set it up with the hearings and stuff where we knew they all knew by then this was not a fair courtroom and they knew weren't going to get justice from the judge so they played to the cameras.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, it's a televised trial.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We can use that right.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right.
01:01:51 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I mean, public opinion is I've just been noticing so much lately how it all comes down to public opinion in the end to keep bad actors in line that they don't do it out of a sense of morality themselves, they do it because they don't want people to see.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_08]: the we all got to see it on on trial when the when the the brown shirts walked into the courtroom you know with Fisk and they all lined up in the back to intimidate to be intimidating just yeah
01:02:29 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_02]: but Luke didn't you find it romantic that Matt, um, he kind of sacrificed himself to save Karen because he knew he would end up in jail by getting her.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and whether it's, um, whether the power at the end, it's just like, oh, we're kind of sick.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Look, if the show doesn't end up with them in a massive carpet in the cat's skill, with like, at least it doesn't heal, bro.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_04]: I immediately pooping them out.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just kids, you know, just...
01:03:02 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's how it's gonna work.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not Daredevil.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, they eventually, the judges, like, even I can't say anything.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And she dismisses the charges with prejudice.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So the Karen can't be tried again.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And we get probably, okay, so I guess there's two big fight set fight set pieces.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not even like we're mac at shot.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't really like that grossed with that action, but the two engrossing pieces of action are.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like episode six where Matt and Fisk fight in front of Rabbit in the snowstorm, destroying Rabbit in the snowstorm.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's a big reminder of Vanessa.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He's destroyed out of his usual pettiness.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, obviously, the first coolest one is double hallway fight.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't seem to just like how strong his fist is going there, like, literally ripping people, literally ripping people, living forever.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, the only thing, the only limiting factor here is a number of people.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_04]: that are in that, that are in that corridor.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, he could have kept going all day like this guy is just like he's the only the only character you can compare him to is, it's pretty good to play the game now of game with Thrones, it's the mountain, it's just like, yeah, it's that level of like, this guy is just untouchable, untouchable.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_08]: So, Fisk is above, you know, in comic law, whatever.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_08]: He's above.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_08]: He's not, he doesn't have super human strength, but he's like, stronger than the average.
01:04:59 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_08]: He's stronger than the average.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think watching that was so, was so refreshing to me because he was a massacre.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_08]: I love it.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_08]: I love every single more as soon as he walked out the door is open.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Open that door.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_08]: I said he.
01:05:18 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_08]: I said, oh, I said, I'm like this.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_08]: I said, I said, I said, I said, oh, what's happening here?
01:05:24 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_08]: And then he threw the first one.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I said, oh,
01:05:27 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_08]: Let's go!
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Fisk is finally fiskin'.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_08]: Let's do it.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_08]: Let's do it.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_08]: And he will, don't know.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, all the utter brutality that is Wilson Fisk, the fury, the other disregard for humanity, I don't care who you are, I don't care.
01:05:52 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, if you die, yeah, I'm going to help you die, and that is, that's the kingfin, you know, for all the, for everything that we've watched him do, all the maneuvering, all the plotting, all the planning, all of these things, at minimum, he's a killer.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_08]: And he's a killer, and this showed, this is what he is, and you know, we've seen him plight, we've seen the behind the scenes, we've seen, you know, talking to people and, you know, trying to persuade the governor and whoever else, but at his core.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_08]: this is Wilson Fisk, and to see him who that loose, or what a glorious sight.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_08]: And then the blood, the red, again, the motif with the red on the white just now.
01:06:53 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to know the where these protesters got their Daredevil accurate, like, devil-friendly, yeah, I mean, some of them look like they just got them from a costume shop and that makes sense, but some of them, I'm like, did you find Matt's costume mirror and like, get the direct?
01:07:07 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, this is a lot of, this is a lot of effort.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I think after you raise a good point, George is, you know, who does, who does
01:07:19 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't,
01:07:38 --> 01:07:39 [SPEAKER_02]: But then yeah, it was cool.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had the so obviously probably everyone who's listening to this noses by now, but the first season of Daredevil took a cue from Park Chan-Wook's old boy and did that first iconic hallway fight.
01:07:55 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would say it's better than the old boy hallway fight.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And now, since then, they just keep iterating on it.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm always amazed.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They find new ways to keep
01:08:05 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So we have, it's not even Matt and Fisk fighting each other now.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's them fighting two different groups of people.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So Fisk is just mat security in the poor protesters.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And the others are fighting together against the task force.
01:08:19 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And
01:08:20 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I've ever done here, Jessica clearly attended the Frank Castle School of Kill Shot Ethics.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: She's just like, she's also just taken him out, no questions asked.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: No questions.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Then we get a surprise White Tiger, like we knew Angela was going to become White Tiger, but suddenly she's growing up the wall.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I love that.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't need to see how she learned, but I just need to see it happen.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_08]: I just need to see it happen.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_04]: the car I've said it before, but the choreography for this show is in my, is it my, yeah, it really is.
01:08:54 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_08]: Because the three of them, you know, I think there was a, on the Netflix Defenders show, there was that one scene early on in the episodes where all of them were in conjunction fighting the hand.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_08]: This reminded me of that, but in a much more intimate way because of the space, the confined space that they were fighting in, and it was just so well done to your point, it was just so well done.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_08]: What are you doing to me right now, this is everything I want.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you more more.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:41 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not like I lower in.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm more.
01:09:43 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm much more.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the combination of the cinematography.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the combination of the choreography and the cinematography as well.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Because they hold the camera long enough.
01:09:57 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't know what's going on because there's nothing I hate more than a fight scene.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:04 [SPEAKER_04]: on every third beat of it.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:12 [SPEAKER_04]: No, they hold the camera on the action long enough for you theorizing to be able to work out.
01:10:12 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be doing what to do.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But then somehow, so we've got Fisk basically admitting that he smuggled weapons through his red port freehub.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We have him openly killing all four people.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Red hook, red hook free port, you mean?
01:10:30 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I said, right?
01:10:32 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Or would I say?
01:10:33 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_04]: No, you said read free.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to read hook free part.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he openly kills a hallway full of people.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And still somehow the attorney general negotiates for him to walk free.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So Matt goes to jail and
01:10:56 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Frustratingly real.
01:10:58 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_08]: America, welcome to America, wonderful place to be.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And in Mad of course, stops the crowd from killing Fisk.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Which wouldn't have solved any, I don't know.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_08]: What do you mean?
01:11:13 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_02]: If the crowd killed Fisk, would that have done anyone any good?
01:11:17 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And we make a martyr of him, which would not be good.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: To whoever wants to take up the anti-vigilante mental after him.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:28 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
01:11:28 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a good, that's a point.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:31 [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't think about that, that's a point.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I mean, also, my cut that crowd of killed, I suppose they could have killed Fesce in the end, but like he would have taken a lot of holes.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, that's a fact.
01:11:43 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's a fact.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:52 [SPEAKER_08]: I love the scene with him in their devil, you know, doing their penance on their knees.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're almost like they're gonna kiss because there's so much intimacy, but yeah.
01:11:57 --> 01:12:03 [SPEAKER_08]: It's just a, and fist saying, you don't get to do that, right?
01:12:03 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't get to give me grace, yeah.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:07 [SPEAKER_08]: You don't get to do that, you, I don't want that.
01:12:07 --> 01:12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want that.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I give everyone grace.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_08]: And again, to me, that part of this episode was what these first two seasons have been about, Matt finding his way back.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_08]: And finding his way back to that, to be in that guy who is intent on not just saving
01:12:45 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_08]: That's always been the crux of who Matt Murdock, the fight.
01:12:50 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, he's dare devil, but he's also a devout Catholic, who's trying to do the best that he can with all of that.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_08]: And find penance, find solace, and because he hurts people.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_08]: He really, you know, Matt Murdock,
01:13:12 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_08]: There are not a lot of super heroes that if I'm a regular criminal that I want to meet.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to meet their devil, I don't want to meet Moon Knight, I don't want to meet Batman because they will hurt you.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not if you just meet their nice people if you meet one of the street, right?
01:13:31 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't get to pass.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_08]: No, yeah, I don't.
01:13:35 --> 01:13:44 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, when I'm climbing, I don't want to mean, when you're climbing, when I'm climbing, I don't want to meet these, because those three will really hurt you.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:47 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think Matt Murdoch has always struggled with that.
01:13:48 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_08]: As a person, right?
01:13:50 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_08]: And this was a nice way to remind us of his struggle.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was nice, I, you know, shouted out in the last episode that Cole North was back with his scars on his face, they underused him, they underused a few characters as he's in, but it was nice to see him finally turn on the AVTF and be like, what the fuck are we?
01:14:17 --> 01:14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: do it.
01:14:17 --> 01:14:21 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, somebody had to do it, right?
01:14:21 --> 01:14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's an ally.
01:14:22 --> 01:14:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I was just reading some Daredevil comics and he is an ally.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, in the comics he is, but it's somebody had to do it.
01:14:31 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_08]: And somebody had to say, you know, what we're doing isn't right.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_08]: It's not good and it's not right.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:45 [SPEAKER_08]: And it would have felt, I think I don't think the season could have
01:14:46 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_08]: no one in the front line of the anti-vigilante task force would have said no, it couldn't have ended with no one saying.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_08]: someone had to step up, and I'm glad that they showed that not everyone was okay throughout the season we had, I forgot to yell at man, that they helped them, he was killed, I forgot to say yeah.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:40 [SPEAKER_08]: the AVTF guy yeah yeah but somebody that was you were a real one you were a real one you know somebody on the front line somebody who was you know a major force within that force had to say no and I'm glad that they showed that yeah this is a good spot to take a quick break
01:15:59 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So about Heather, yeah, I mean, so we have, we've kind of talked about this most of this Heather and Buckstuff before, but she's obviously, she has her worst fears about Matt confirmed.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was interesting to see that play out, you know, where she's reading an excerpt from her book that sounds like it could be about Matt.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And then do you think she was surprised or do you think she suspected?
01:16:23 --> 01:16:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I think she sort of, I think she, I think,
01:16:27 --> 01:16:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe not in the first season, but I think in this season.
01:16:31 --> 01:16:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, properly.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so we, a lot of people about Heather say, does Marvel have any good therapists?
01:16:39 --> 01:16:41 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a conversation I was having with a couple friends.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we think of any therapists in Marvel who are actually good at their jobs and not making things worse?
01:16:51 --> 01:16:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a good look.
01:16:53 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_08]: Nothing about that.
01:16:54 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Although I was totally on Heather's side when the defense lawyer starts being very inappropriate to her and she just, she jabs him in the throat with the webbing of her hands and we had a discussion on discord about it where some people thought maybe she was, maybe she killed him but I, that's not the impression I got.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you guys think?
01:17:17 --> 01:17:19 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't think, no, I don't think so.
01:17:19 --> 01:17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you can crush someone's tricky but I don't think she did it that hard.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if it were Fisk, he would be dead, but she's definitely going to kill people next season.
01:17:30 --> 01:17:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, definitely, because she puts the mask on at the end.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:36 [SPEAKER_08]: She doesn't see in her reflection, which is great.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:17:37 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a great bit.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:44 [SPEAKER_02]: She sees herself extra buttoned up, June Clever like in the army.
01:17:45 --> 01:18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's wondering like, I think she and Buck, I want to see them go descend into the dark side together like that whole choking four play thing and whatever was going on with the ruby earrings where it was like sort of like the ruby earring she steals one of Vanessa's earrings and then kind of gets distracted by Buck and takes it and Fisk is like notice you did that go ahead and take the other and that felt to me like a sort of push toward
01:18:12 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're one of one of the bad guys embrace it.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's some jewels.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:18:21 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: What did you guys think of we didn't talk much about the governor played by uh, what's your face by Lily Taylor?
01:18:28 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, she's a politician and, you know, from the first minute we saw her and she made a deal with the devil and not the dare one.
01:18:36 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, yeah, just she behaved exactly like I thought politicians might behave.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:59 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, and she was totally looking, willing to look, turn a blind eye to look away, as long as it didn't affect her political career, and that is, um, yeah, yeah.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, until she was about to get killed, it was interesting, it's interesting that Mr. Charles, he kind of turned on Fisk at the end and warned Karen that McAfrey was going to kill.
01:19:12 --> 01:19:13 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
01:19:13 --> 01:19:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Dex is the one who ultimately thwarts the assassination of Justin, I'm just saying maybe we should revisit the Dex is a good guy.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:24 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's no, it's not Karen.
01:19:24 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_04]: It's Jessica, isn't it?
01:19:26 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry.
01:19:26 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're right.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, sorry.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jessica.
01:19:28 --> 01:19:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but oh, Spore, I hope we get to see more Mr. Charles on the governor because they have a nice dynamic.
01:19:37 --> 01:19:38 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like,
01:19:38 --> 01:19:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Is this the 20-year-old Scotty boy?
01:19:40 --> 01:19:41 [SPEAKER_04]: You could have just done that.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:45 [SPEAKER_04]: You just missed a child, missed a child, it's just trashy.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Just waiting in our house.
01:19:46 --> 01:19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, like Matthew Lillard, he is a fucking hell like him.
01:19:51 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I like him.
01:19:52 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Who was it?
01:19:52 --> 01:19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Quentin Tarantino talking shit on him.
01:19:55 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, please.
01:19:56 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Screw you, Tarantino.
01:19:58 --> 01:20:01 [SPEAKER_08]: The last person in the talk shit abying.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so he knows also.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:06 [SPEAKER_04]: He's so pleased to join the million more out of the world.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:08 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a different scene.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_04]: He's so chuffed to get his little way.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He just seems like he's one of those people who's kind of scary because he just responds cheerfully to everything.
01:20:19 --> 01:20:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But that doesn't mean he's not an issue.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:26 [SPEAKER_08]: And again,
01:20:26 --> 01:20:34 [SPEAKER_08]: when they're on the plane, him, and bulls out on the plane, I'm just like, what is going on?
01:20:34 --> 01:20:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to see them together.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:38 [SPEAKER_08]: What is going on in Madrid?
01:20:38 --> 01:20:39 [SPEAKER_08]: I need the show.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:20:40 --> 01:20:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to support show.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:45 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, yes, we need that.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we know the mayor's office is left vacant, and I'm going to mention something from a Spider-Man trailer.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So sorry.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:54 [SPEAKER_02]: We go.
01:20:54 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We see.
01:20:55 --> 01:20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like Sheila becomes the mayor next.
01:20:58 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:20:59 --> 01:21:00 [SPEAKER_02]: by the time that's right.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the government was saying, you know, uh, was talking about such a, you know, I can't stand the campaigning in the government.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what you want to have to campaign.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that was sort of, that was sort of sad.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_08]: And she makes the call to the attorney general.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if she'll be the punish or a special.
01:21:22 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's a good point.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Passability.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: do we think caramel point and a pair of should leave the point of she's but if they do it I do mean if they do it there has to be intense heat between her and Frank because that's their thing.
01:21:38 --> 01:21:40 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
01:21:40 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that like does that make her look bad since her boyfriend just went to chair.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:53 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, that's the facts of life in terms of how long you're going to be up for, how long is the bid?
01:21:53 --> 01:21:55 [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I mean?
01:21:55 --> 01:21:58 [SPEAKER_08]: You don't want to be on fire, okay?
01:21:58 --> 01:22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be speaking of Matt going to jail.
01:22:00 --> 01:22:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Joel, are you, have you spent much time in pen or two in the East Village?
01:22:05 --> 01:22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you been there?
01:22:07 --> 01:22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: No, okay.
01:22:08 --> 01:22:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually I was so excited when they showed it in the opening scene of the final episode and then that's where I got to rest at the end And I immediately before I saw the name.
01:22:17 --> 01:22:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like that's pan or two.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I used to go there all time because it's Good cheap Indian food in the east village It it was always bio now.
01:22:26 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't lived there for 20 years So I don't know if it still is but that was always like yeah, it was like great coming out of college early 20s perfect
01:22:37 --> 01:22:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know you I didn't know you lived in New York.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I lived in Brooklyn mostly actually like the West Village for a while I lived in the upper East side for a bit.
01:22:47 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah so there's something comforting.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I left New York 20 years ago and there's something comforting and knowing that restaurant is still strong.
01:22:56 --> 01:22:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:22:58 --> 01:23:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And her line I thought we'd have more time.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, I mean, that's pretty much the season so far, except you know who we haven't talked about at all.
01:23:10 --> 01:23:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Kirsten and Cherry.
01:23:12 --> 01:23:12 [SPEAKER_02]: What do we think?
01:23:14 --> 01:23:16 [SPEAKER_08]: No!
01:23:16 --> 01:23:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Kirsten at least.
01:23:18 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_02]: she got some chance to shine in the in the court room.
01:23:22 --> 01:23:25 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, yes, I think you trying to ship them.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:23:43 --> 01:23:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where he's about season, but he shows up at the end.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But Kirsten, it's like, I think the actress seems great.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And like every time I see her do stuff, I'm like, just please give her more.
01:23:55 --> 01:23:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Please give her more.
01:23:56 --> 01:23:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:23:58 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:04 [SPEAKER_08]: And hopefully in the upcoming season, she gets more to do, especially with him being in jail.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:08 [SPEAKER_08]: How does that play out?
01:24:08 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_08]: you know, as she representing him, so hopefully she'll have one or plate in season three.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
01:24:17 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So speaking of season three, we have pretty much gotten confirmed, I mean, by everything that's happening on screen and by certain comments from the showrunner that the next season is going to be some sort of adaptation of an iconic Daredevil series of comics called The Devil in Cell Block D.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: which if anyone wants to read it, you can find it.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the official title is Daredevil Volume 2 Numbers 82 through 87, because this Daredevil Volume 2 went on for many years, like it started in 1998, and these issues were released in 2006.
01:24:58 --> 01:25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So, look for those if you want to read it yourself.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But are you excited, Jean?
01:25:04 --> 01:25:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Assuming, we have kind of alluded to this before.
01:25:08 --> 01:25:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no.
01:25:09 --> 01:25:09 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm excited.
01:25:10 --> 01:25:19 [SPEAKER_08]: The thing is to the comic story and the TV story on it, we find Matt and to yeah, he's in two different places.
01:25:20 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_08]: You know, he's really, he's really broken in the comic story.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:28 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think this is a broken Matt.
01:25:28 --> 01:25:36 [SPEAKER_08]: I think the series so far, Matt has been broken, but I think we, we leave him in a place in season two where he is whole.
01:25:37 --> 01:25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting though because Fisk in the comics, Fisk also goes to jail at the same time so that they are in jail together.
01:25:46 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really interesting that they made the choice to have Fisk not go to jail.
01:25:54 --> 01:25:57 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it makes sense that he doesn't go to jail.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I see the logic of it in the real world, but in terms of adapting this and makes me wonder
01:26:04 --> 01:26:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Matt's in there with a lot of guys he put in there is he going to end up teaming up with anyone unexpected please not pal please not pal I don't want to see pal be redeemed No, but also if it's going to be if it's going to be dare devil season three and not defenders presumably he's not going to spend too much time in jail because you don't put your main character off stage for a for longer
01:26:32 --> 01:26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I assume the defenders will who gets him out like so Frank's in there with him.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder Frank's going to show up for season three.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We know the defenders are getting back together.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like in the comic bulls, I helped him get out.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he'll, I mean, I'm assuming group bulls, I will be in season three.
01:26:49 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe the defenders help him break out.
01:26:53 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But I have to point out this is a real thing from this comic series.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: This is where they find out that Foggy's not really dead.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So bring back Foggy.
01:27:08 --> 01:27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be a redemption arc for Bullseye, where he like finds out he's alive and is like, oh, I'll fix things back.
01:27:15 --> 01:27:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, I mean,
01:27:16 --> 01:27:30 [SPEAKER_04]: But me I just don't know how they're gonna do that because fuck you look pretty you look pretty good, but then they They didn't they didn't give you a lot of there's not a lot of I'm being too close princess bride.
01:27:30 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_02]: He was only mostly dead They just kept him somewhere and healed him and yeah
01:27:41 --> 01:28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'll say the the other comic I want to shout out if people want to read, I just read it for the first time myself Daredevil unleashed hell, it's a red band comic and I will say woo, it is gory and it's from 2025 so quite recent and this is the reason I read this one is it's the one that features a female news who picks up the mantle of news who has died.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And the interesting thing of this one that I noticed is this is during, um, for anyone who doesn't know in the current timeline, Electra is also Daredevil.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's two Daredevil's.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And, um, she started to play this role of Daredevil during one of the times when Matt went to jail.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And she stepped into this role with sort of prove herself to him and herself.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, I know, young, you're waiting for electric to come back, uh, Luke and I are not.
01:28:33 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But my question is, since they've already set up the conflict between Karen and Heather, could Karen play that role where she steps in for Matt as a Daredevil while he's in jail.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_08]: No.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:52 [SPEAKER_08]: And as she's been training off the hard or sweet.
01:28:52 --> 01:28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: She's been training her.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:54 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen that.
01:28:55 --> 01:28:56 [SPEAKER_02]: She's learned and defying.
01:28:56 --> 01:28:57 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but not.
01:28:57 --> 01:29:00 [SPEAKER_08]: We've seen them, we've seen them do a little bit.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but they're down the level of training.
01:29:03 --> 01:29:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe Denny Rand now that he's clearly learned to fight.
01:29:06 --> 01:29:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And we know he's going to be in season three.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, baby.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a teacher.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe calling wing shows up.
01:29:15 --> 01:29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be better.
01:29:20 --> 01:29:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yes, I will teach you the ancient mystic art of the smash gun.
01:29:25 --> 01:29:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And we had the ancient Mr. God to touch on him.
01:29:32 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here's my issue with Heather becoming news.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm on board except for the fact that she's not an artist.
01:29:39 --> 01:29:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
01:29:42 --> 01:29:47 [SPEAKER_08]: Writing books about, like, maybe she'll find her art in her work.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:50 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, she'll shoot you and have you work on you line of work.
01:29:50 --> 01:29:51 [SPEAKER_08]: She'll find her art.
01:29:51 --> 01:30:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So this Daredevil unleashed hell, the new news actually end, and Electra Daredevil, they end up going to actual hell, and meeting, you know, talking to the ghost of prior news there.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we think that they could introduce supernatural elements?
01:30:12 --> 01:30:18 [SPEAKER_02]: This show has been quite grounded, but obviously in the MCU proper, there's lots of supernatural elements.
01:30:18 --> 01:30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see them bringing any of that into this show?
01:30:21 --> 01:30:22 [SPEAKER_08]: I hope no.
01:30:22 --> 01:30:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Mifisto, anyone?
01:30:23 --> 01:30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:30:24 --> 01:30:25 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:30:25 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't see it.
01:30:26 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:30:26 --> 01:30:27 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't see it.
01:30:27 --> 01:30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, eventually, probably, they have to cross over in, like, the movies, I would assume, in secret war as we've talked about, then there have to be natural elements.
01:30:39 --> 01:30:39 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
01:30:39 --> 01:30:40 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't see it happening.
01:30:41 --> 01:30:41 [SPEAKER_08]: Not in the show.
01:30:42 --> 01:30:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:30:42 --> 01:30:45 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:30:45 --> 01:30:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's the way they ought to go to be honest.
01:30:49 --> 01:30:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, kill my fun.
01:30:51 --> 01:30:54 [SPEAKER_02]: No, okay.
01:30:55 --> 01:30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually rooting for Karen to fill in as the Daredevil.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:00 [SPEAKER_08]: Daredevil.
01:31:01 --> 01:31:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Only partly because I don't want to lecture back, but not that electorate for Jennifer Gardner.
01:31:07 --> 01:31:13 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's not that I'm tied to the actress, to the actor, the plane, the lecturer.
01:31:13 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:31:15 --> 01:31:16 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a man in the lecture.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So she doesn't do the stupid dress report.
01:31:19 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I suppose that she claimed that on the writers more than the actor.
01:31:25 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_08]: been back.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I don't know.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think because they've already said we saw a preview of Karen and Heather fighting.
01:31:34 --> 01:31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine them both like trained up and ready to actually go?
01:31:40 --> 01:31:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that wasn't really a fortress to teach.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the teaser fight.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:49 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no.
01:31:49 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
01:31:54 --> 01:32:07 [SPEAKER_08]: that that is something I'm generally, I'm really interested in seeing how it plays out, because she, from all we know, there's no, she doesn't have training or that we know of.
01:32:09 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_08]: So, for her to become like a serial killer, I want to see how it plays out.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:24 [SPEAKER_08]: Like, if she's going to, you know, start killing off our patients, if she's going to, you know, there's an interest in story here to tell.
01:32:24 --> 01:32:26 [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm ready for that.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:26 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:32:27 --> 01:32:28 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:32:28 --> 01:32:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Any more thoughts about season two or predictions for season three?
01:32:33 --> 01:32:36 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, yeah, Luke motherfucking case.
01:32:36 --> 01:32:39 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm saying Luke motherfucking case.
01:32:40 --> 01:32:41 [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome back.
01:32:41 --> 01:32:44 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I was so high personally.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:47 [SPEAKER_08]: I was so high 20 standing in the doorway.
01:32:47 --> 01:32:49 [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, that's Luke motherfucking
01:32:50 --> 01:32:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I was glad that they had him at least like walk into the scene in the season.
01:32:54 --> 01:32:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:32:55 --> 01:32:55 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
01:32:56 --> 01:33:01 [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, get and when Jessica says, are you done?
01:33:01 --> 01:33:04 [SPEAKER_08]: We know he's not done, you know?
01:33:04 --> 01:33:16 [SPEAKER_08]: Because we know big things are coming down the line for DMCU and whatever, you know, happy home that they think they have right now, I don't know.
01:33:16 --> 01:33:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
01:33:17 --> 01:33:17 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no.
01:33:18 --> 01:33:18 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
01:33:19 --> 01:33:19 [SPEAKER_08]: It's not.
01:33:19 --> 01:33:20 [SPEAKER_08]: It's not going to last.
01:33:21 --> 01:33:22 [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm going to...
01:33:22 --> 01:33:29 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm interested to see how they incorporate these stories, these people into the larger story that they're about to tell.
01:33:30 --> 01:33:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
01:33:31 --> 01:33:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
01:33:32 --> 01:33:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Luke, you have any?
01:33:34 --> 01:33:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I really hope we get, uh... We got an at least in the other season of Jessica Jones.
01:33:40 --> 01:33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they'd like us.
01:33:46 --> 01:33:47 [SPEAKER_07]: You're right.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:48 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
01:33:48 --> 01:33:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I really want to see more of Jessica and Trash.
01:33:53 --> 01:33:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:33:54 --> 01:33:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:58 [SPEAKER_04]: The lawyer that Cariamos played.
01:33:58 --> 01:33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:33:58 --> 01:33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:33:59 --> 01:33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Jerry something, but yeah, um, because like I said, I can, I could, I could do without I invest ever being, you know, I could just leave that, but, but I'd like the, I'd like to bring about Jessica Jones, I'd like to bring about Luke Cage's, where I was never crush on, on Luke Cage, but yeah, it would be nice to sort of broaden out that, that, that
01:34:26 --> 01:34:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Marvel, you know what I'm saying?
01:34:29 --> 01:34:32 [SPEAKER_04]: They can leave or I infest with this.
01:34:32 --> 01:34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Bring back Colleen.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready to give Danny Ratt another chance.
01:34:36 --> 01:34:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But bring back, I want a lot of the secondary characters and from Luke Cage, like we got to have shades back from, oh, and Misty Knight, obviously.
01:34:45 --> 01:34:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And from Jessica Jones, where it's Trish, she's still in the raft.
01:34:50 --> 01:34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about that, you know?
01:34:52 --> 01:34:56 [SPEAKER_08]: Like on this side chair.
01:34:56 --> 01:35:08 [SPEAKER_08]: It will be fun to delve back into those characters and see where they're at, leading into, you know, secret work, or post-secret work, whatever.
01:35:09 --> 01:35:10 [SPEAKER_08]: May come after that.
01:35:11 --> 01:35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we already get some new answers next week on Tuesday, the evening of Tuesday, the 12th or the morning of Wednesday, the 13th depending on where in the world you are, we get the Punisher one last kill special.
01:35:28 --> 01:35:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We will be back in about a week from now.
01:35:31 --> 01:35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to plan the recording.
01:35:33 --> 01:35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, about a week, maybe it's slightly longer to talk about that Punisher special.
01:35:38 --> 01:35:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So looking forward to that.
01:35:40 --> 01:35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's John you and Brian and David just finished up coverage of Mall Shadow Lord awesome show awesome show top five star was They come out on top five star was both right.
01:35:57 --> 01:36:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, yes top five star
01:36:03 --> 01:36:06 [SPEAKER_04]: really bow really bow.
01:36:06 --> 01:36:07 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm here all day.
01:36:07 --> 01:36:12 [SPEAKER_08]: I top five star was live and amated.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:14 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm on the discord.
01:36:15 --> 01:36:15 [SPEAKER_08]: Give me up.
01:36:16 --> 01:36:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I want spoil it because it's too fresh, but the finale had some really cool stuff going on.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:23 [SPEAKER_08]: So much.
01:36:23 --> 01:36:27 [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of go check out the pot.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and yeah, so John and I just wrapped up our one piece live action coverage we put on the episode, talking about the rest of season two.
01:36:38 --> 01:36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: John Marilyn and I are going to be covering Project Hill Mary this our next week because the 12th is also the day that Project Hill Mary is released on video on demand.
01:36:48 --> 01:36:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So you will be able to watch it at home.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:59 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have not seen it yet, or rewatch it at home, if you so prefer, and David's been all kinds of busy with he did a one shot of bait with Isha.
01:37:00 --> 01:37:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Or was, I think that was for subscribers, but he, there's also the into the West episode with Marilyn talking about the origins of that phrase and the super siblings.
01:37:12 --> 01:37:18 [SPEAKER_02]: There, he just released an interview with Dr. Amy Sturgis,
01:37:18 --> 01:37:26 [SPEAKER_02]: who, yeah, teaches these about, like, Star Wars and Star Trek, that's what they talk about, and various other things.
01:37:27 --> 01:37:33 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a pit season wrap-up coming with, I'm not even, I can't remember who's involved, but it's going to be a fun crew.
01:37:34 --> 01:37:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh,
01:37:35 --> 01:38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can get all ad-free access to all of that, of course, on supercast and Patreon plus extra episodes like we just recorded our second breakfast about finger foods and all the things we've been watching and what's going on in the industry.
01:38:03 --> 01:38:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And do check out, of course, our affiliates, properly Howard, they've been doing there newly when movie season, which is basically their, each watching movies they've never seen before, really fun lineup of films.
01:38:17 --> 01:38:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll find that on their feed.
01:38:18 --> 01:38:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Never mind the music is where psychology meets music and they, oh, they just did one about fast cart, which is a favorite song of mine.
01:38:26 --> 01:38:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of childhood associations with that.
01:38:29 --> 01:38:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw Tracy Chapman
01:38:33 --> 01:38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm so glad that's dope and radio active ramlings covering both invincible and the boys and Luke you and I finally we got our Doon book part one a episode out
01:38:50 --> 01:38:58 [SPEAKER_02]: and we're recording shortly to give our responses to the news that silo is coming.
01:38:58 --> 01:39:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Silo season three, come in July third, and we got a teaser trailer, and we got a bunch of photos.
01:39:04 --> 01:39:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so really looking really looking forward to that.
01:39:07 --> 01:39:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We get to dust off the sims down the scale.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
01:39:12 --> 01:39:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll also put a link in the show notes to your podcast.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be said if is there any more you wanna say about that?
01:39:20 --> 01:39:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we will be recording our reactions to what are a truly extraordinary set of local and developed elections here in the UK, where basically everybody won and everybody lost.
01:39:38 --> 01:39:51 [SPEAKER_04]: is once in a generation of peculiarities, oh, so we'll probably be chewing on that from this maybe a monster sort of three out of a podcast, all right.
01:39:51 --> 01:39:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to have this kind of the hot take so I'm going to be flying for that.
01:39:56 --> 01:40:04 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I think we have a quite decided when we're going to record that, but it will probably be sometime over the weekend.
01:40:04 --> 01:40:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:06 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:40:06 --> 01:40:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:40:07 --> 01:40:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've got some music out of our legal music folders.
01:40:11 --> 01:40:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I chose no idea what this is going to sound like, but just based on vibes.
01:40:15 --> 01:40:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I chose from the heavy electronic folder.
01:40:18 --> 01:40:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Night Runner.
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01:41:48 --> 01:41:51 [SPEAKER_02]: What do we want to say to Frank Castle to take us out?
01:41:54 --> 01:41:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's the girl.
01:41:57 --> 01:42:00 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, don't, don't you, dear Frank.
01:42:00 --> 01:42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't you dare!