Steve and Anthony relive Groundhog Day.
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00:19 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Properly Health, a podcast that I've used classic films and other folk fiction.
00:25 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we take a look at the romantic comedy, Groundhog Day.
00:29 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: starring Bill Murray as a weatherman who is forced to relive the same day over and over again.
00:33 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Groundhog Day explores the existential crisis of balancing the modanity of life and white people jazz.
00:41 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_00]: With me to discuss this as always is Dr. Anthony Lidon.
00:46 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and you figure in punk Satani, he's the blackest guy there.
00:51 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_05]: There's the bartender, you know, that looks just as non-plused by everything.
00:56 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_05]: He really has that kind of twinkle in his eye that it's like, here, I'm going to make this drink for you and then I got to go teach a white kid how to play golf.
01:06 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Steve, if I wanted to torture you for eternity, what song would I wake you up to every day?
01:16 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And specifically, what part of the song?
01:21 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... oh any any part of the friends didn't work ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:47 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_05]: At least there's a layer of humor to that.
01:50 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's just so tonally off for a song that is so simplistic out on the world.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_05]: I forgot that we covered that.
01:57 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_05]: That was sort of a moment in time.
02:04 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, a lot of ZZ Top songs would be to her.
02:09 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not a big fan of just a repetition of ZZ Top.
02:14 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I could watch them all day long.
02:16 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Tourling fuzzy guitars with long beard, you're like, yeah, they're endlessly fascinating to watch.
02:21 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they, you almost require a viewing, and not a listen.
02:25 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
02:25 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
02:26 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas with Robert Palmer, if I'm watching the video, it makes it worse.
02:31 --> 02:32 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_05]: The video actually does match the song in this case.
02:36 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that was, that was a very specific time to simply resistable and addicted to love.
02:43 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he'd meet out to Peter Gabriel for male artists of the year, because of that.
02:47 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what?
02:47 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I take it back.
02:48 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Addicted to love is worse than some players at some point.
02:54 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
02:54 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So this movie, torture's Bill Murray was sunny and share.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_05]: I got you, babe.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think you could probably do with any song.
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Even if I took your favorite song,
03:08 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And I played it for you 10 times starting the same spot every time.
03:12 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_05]: You would hate it by the end, right?
03:14 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it comes with curse, right?
03:18 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, and that's what I really like about like how the song signals.
03:24 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go again, right?
03:25 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's really, it's a really like clever that don't just do like an alarm clock sound or it also way that song, but also FM radio.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.
03:37 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Why that song?
03:39 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Why I got you babe by sunny and share.
03:43 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's sort of um, it's kind of innocuous.
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think it's thematic?
03:50 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like just to kind of rub it in that you will never.
03:53 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_05]: No one will ever know you well enough.
03:56 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_05]: You're endlessly alone.
03:58 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And so this song just rubs it in.
03:59 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just by its very nature of being a duet suggests companionship.
04:06 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just it's just so earnest and Bill Murray is so cynical and he's got no reason not to be cynical.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's sweet.
04:15 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's simple.
04:15 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: it's got, it's a romantic comedy of songs that's right.
04:24 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's right.
04:26 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, those are simpler times when it's sunny and share.
04:28 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_05]: There was a time in American history where sunny and share made sense.
04:33 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Just think about that for a minute.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:38 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But not like it wasn't, I mean, these were like tumultuous times, right?
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It was late 60s.
04:44 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: They had their own show.
04:45 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yes.
04:47 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_05]: America was just like, yeah, we're fine with this.
04:50 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_05]: We're totally, we're doing board with the couple of this.
04:53 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We're looking hippies.
04:57 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that was it.
04:57 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, well, they're hippies.
04:59 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_05]: They don't make sense anyway.
05:00 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think we're not doing that now, right?
05:03 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: As a response to sort of like maybe tumultuous times in our own society, we just like hand the keys over to like some gen Z, skipety toilet hour or something like that.
05:15 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So Steve, I, I'm just going to go ahead and lay all my cards on the table.
05:21 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Never done this before.
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to call this a properly Howard movie.
05:27 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm going to say it's by far the best properly Howard movie ever.
05:35 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
05:36 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:37 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in my top screen, so you're saying this is p-coured and it's not Howard.
05:41 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_05]: It's p-coured.
05:42 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not Howard.
05:43 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_05]: It's sort of the movie that would have made Howard irrelevant for the way we're using him.
05:50 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_05]: God, sure.
05:52 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_05]: So if that is confusing, let me tell you, I'm confused by this too.
05:57 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_05]: It is a, it is a properly Howard movie for sure, right?
06:01 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I've been asked to you all ask you later.
06:04 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_05]: It is a properly Howard movie for sure.
06:07 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_05]: It is in my top 10, which means it of all the movies ever made, this is one of the best movies in my view.
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_05]: and it's properly hard.
06:20 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know how that all works, but I will, I'm willing to call it the best properly hard movie ever.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Incredible.
06:30 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would definitely agree properly Howard for all the for all the good and bad reasons.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really want to
06:47 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You and I have had conversations both on here and off podcast about like top 10 movies and where how those have changed over the years as Groundhog Dave been a little bit more of a mainstay for you.
06:59 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Always a mainstay.
07:00 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like there's always movies that like kind of come onto the list and fall off the list, you know, Magnolia was on and fell off.
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Empire Strikes
07:17 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... there are movies that don't that will never fall off and this is a movie that has never fallen off funny said that and per a strikes back because i i i i've sort of detached from star wars over the years just because of sort of maybe over saturation uh... but just thinking about certain scenes like right now about and per a strike back like it those memories taste like uh... baseball card chewing gum
07:46 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is good, but which is great, which is because that it chewing gum is not good, no, no, but it is Contextually important and Yeah, there's just something about look I promise you I promise you if you popped on empire right now
08:06 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_05]: You'd be back in it, you wouldn't be like that again.
08:09 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right, I think you're right.
08:10 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_05]: It would be like, I can't believe I have deprived myself of this.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_05]: This movie's a bang or a movie.
08:17 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're probably, I mean, because there is, there's a lot of, there's a lot of disability Williams for crying out loud.
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Get a cape.
08:25 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And you don't even know, you don't even know you're going to get them.
08:28 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:28 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_05]: To get a cloud city.
08:30 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
08:32 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Truly belong here amongst those of the clouds.
08:35 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm going to also mess this podcast up by adding my one tweak.
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_05]: This movie definitely need to build the Williams at one point.
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Just stay in a cape.
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to feel... Feel counters.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's me.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Needle knows Ned.
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Ned Ryerson.
08:55 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What's that for a step, Phil?
09:01 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a doo-hoo-zee.
09:07 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_05]: So for me, this movie changed my life.
09:11 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I feel like I lived my entire 20s wanting to be Bill Murray in this movie.
09:22 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
09:22 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_05]: The Bill, not the Bill Murray committing suicide.
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_05]: That didn't happen until my 40s.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Just keep watching those scenes over and over.
09:31 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_05]: If only I Wanted to be the kind of guy who and I probably was the kind of guy for a while who would be in this scene
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to a costume party.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I said, I love this film.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen over a hundred times.
10:00 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Phil?
10:01 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Told you.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Call me Bronco.
10:05 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Bronco.
10:07 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I had Nancy.
10:13 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll be on say.
10:14 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be very remembering.
10:22 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_05]: It kind of shows how weird it would be to be immortal, but it's the same day over and over again.
10:29 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, it's not just that you're gonna commit suicide 10 times.
10:33 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_05]: It's that you're gonna do some weird stuff just to kind of entertain yourself.
10:39 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_05]: And I thought, yeah, that's the kind of person I wanna be.
10:42 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I wanna be the kind of person that dresses up like Clint Eastwood randomly.
10:52 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I would do stuff like that just to kind of entertain myself in my 20s and I'm looking back on it now I'm thinking that I was kind of an asshole, but I was having a lot of fun at the time and I kind of feel like that was part of my 20s was just to kind of live without those social rules.
11:12 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, kind of eventually, learn the lesson that Bill Murray did in this movie, you're actually not gonna be happy until you are literally doing good in the world.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of feel like this- I'm sorry, sculpting.
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
11:26 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
11:41 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved, yeah, so I'd like the idea that like I think the key line for that you're speaking of and like that also resonated with me was I'm not going to live by their rules anymore.
11:54 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where the move.
11:55 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where sort of the second act of the movie begin right so we're we're watching this in our in our early.
12:01 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: 20s late teens right and we're.
12:07 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We are 18 or 18 or Yeah, we're appreciating we're appreciating a midlife crisis In advance So because like it there's a lot there.
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of it.
12:21 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll call it kind of a mid-eternity Yeah, I mean it like when we first see it's like it's a fun movie and then when you're more you watch it the more you realize what an existential commentary it is and how you can kind of
12:34 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Watch his development and watch his, you know, at a first, it's just disbelief.
12:40 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, what this can't be right.
12:41 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's up freaking out.
12:42 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, wait a minute.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I can do it ever I want.
12:47 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've been locked in a toys or us overnight.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm scared.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not with my parents, but wait a minute.
12:51 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I can play with all these toys and all this stuff.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can look, there's junk food over there.
12:54 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you, and you, and you keep doing it and doing it.
12:57 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you get to a point where he just like, I feel like I've done it all.
13:01 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I put on a Clint Eastwood outfit, I've, it's kind of interesting how quickly the hedonism gets boring.
13:10 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we don't know, right?
13:11 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't know how much time it takes.
13:13 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know how long the movie pays is pretty well, but in terms of, yeah, the movie time, like this could, you know, this could be a 10 year movie, but in terms of time he's in the cowboy outfit, he says, I've seen this movie hundreds of times.
13:28 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Now,
13:29 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That isn't to say that he obviously didn't probably watch it for the first month or so of doing this.
13:35 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, that's another part of town that he's just like kind of invested in and does he do it every single day?
13:41 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Or does he do it every other day?
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Does he do it every week?
13:44 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so like the idea that he's seen hundreds of times is a really telling moment that you're like, who'd how long it's like, that's a how long have you been there?
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't get the sense that there's
13:58 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_05]: No, there's not how water so every night when he wants to wind down he goes and sits with whatever movie this is what movie do you think this is do you think it's an eastwood movie I don't know to get question is it even say I think it's funny if it's not an eastwood movie right every night he goes picks up the same girl says I got to go to a costume party just so happened that I've got this costume for you to put on for some reason she decides to go with them and then he takes it to the movies
14:26 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is my deep winding down at night, so okay, I guess we're already there, so let's just ask the question, how long is the actually we live in the same day?
14:43 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, I've seen a few theories.
14:56 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: 33 years.
14:57 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's interesting that I think when Ramus was first interviewed when it came out, he said about 10 years, but then with the DVD commentary, he said, eh, probably more like 30 years.
15:10 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_05]: So that, that would work 30 years now.
15:13 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought that.
15:14 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I mean, that, how does that shape your viewing of the movie when you hear that?
15:20 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I didn't hear, I didn't really think about that until later.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I heard about it,
15:27 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: like, that's interesting.
15:30 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's interesting in the sense that like, it's easy to sit there and sort of, and I want to do this as we go along and sort of pick apart his behavior, both savory and unsavory and how he kind of wraps up and what that would mean, you know, and because I think there's some things about from a romantic comedy perspective that are kind of problematic.
15:50 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you know that this guy's been trapped in this place for, you know,
15:57 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna start forgiving a certain amount of behavior, perhaps.
16:00 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
16:01 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_05]: If it's 33 years, it might as well be 10 years.
16:07 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Because you have no way to keep track of time, right?
16:13 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no, it's not like he can chisel a little tally mark on the wall.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a little way for sure.
16:20 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing you can do about it.
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_05]: There's nothing you can do about that.
16:23 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_05]: So if it's 30 years,
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Does he know how long it is?
16:28 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Does he or has he completely lost track of how long you'd have to just remember, right?
16:34 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be like, okay, I'm on day like, you know, 47 after like, how many of those days?
16:38 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, would you just like forget to or not think of how many of those days did he put a toaster in the bathtub, right?
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_05]: And do those count, right?
16:47 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll think about that, too.
16:49 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's a great point, right?
16:50 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you wake up in the morning and just kill yourself, does that count as a day?
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting.
16:56 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_05]: I think if he heard Sunny and Cher accounts as a day, and it doesn't matter how long the day is because time is totally meaningless at that point.
17:07 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
17:08 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how many days was that the first thing you do is just crazy.
17:13 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_05]: It's crazy.
17:14 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of nuts.
17:15 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So I wrote down the stages of his interests.
17:21 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, in terms of the pacing of a movie,
17:25 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_05]: I, this does not follow any rules that I can think of.
17:29 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_05]: It feels like we're about 18 minutes in before you even wonder like, oh, wait a second.
17:35 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_05]: This is, this might be a sci-fi.
17:37 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, watching this for the first time, you probably know what you're getting into going in.
17:43 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's 18 minutes in of a movie that's a little bit over 90 minutes.
17:49 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_05]: before they actually replay the second day.
17:52 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, 18 minutes in, he realizes that he's been cursed.
17:59 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of like a vampire, like I think the writer for this film said that he got the idea after reading the book interview with Vampire.
18:09 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's, it's an interesting sort of take on the vampire, more immortality thing.
18:15 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so here's the things he's interested in.
18:16 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_05]: He's, first he wants to get out of Punks of Tani.
18:20 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Then he just wants to get laid, and he has this whole sort of hedonistic thing.
18:25 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_05]: That doesn't really last very long.
18:27 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he starts testing the limits of like, what could I actually get away with?
18:34 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he decides the only thing that's going to entertain me is to try to trick Rita into loving me.
18:42 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_05]: And at that point, I think he's probably the most immoral right even more than sort of the sexual harassment stuff at the beginning he is decided he's going to make her his project.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, you know, she kind of belating out.
18:57 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, gathering information totally manipulating and he realizes that he's never going to be able to do it and I think he I think he's realizing like I'm going to relive this over and over again and she's never going to fall for me and that's when he starts killing himself.
19:17 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Then he starts to make pop is project I'm going to save pop and he realizes he can't do that.
19:24 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's when I think he makes the world shift.
19:26 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And so then he decides, I'm going to try to make every day in punk satani better than the last.
19:32 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And I really think at that point he starts caring for punk satani and not just how everyone perceives him.
19:39 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
19:40 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's when he finally gets to the last stage and that is,
19:46 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_05]: ice sculpture.
19:48 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, and that is the moral of the story is you can be a complete deck, but if you can learn to ice sculpt, people will love you.
19:57 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we actually kind of had an inadvertent reference to cocktail in the beginning of this because two very different points of view on sculpting.
20:10 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: where the cocktail, I mean, sculptures were clearly the bad people, and then there were just any opportunity to ruin sculptures, because I mean, hell, you can make you can make the argument that a glass liquor bottle is also a sculpture of sorts, and as you used ultimately to kill God, let it be yet.
20:32 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think one of the things that we're watching this with Heather,
20:39 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like her hackles and a hackles, but like that she finds problematic and I do too, but like looking at it again.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this most recent time.
20:47 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I want to keep a critical eye on this thing is is sort of this accelerated love from an anti-mixed dowel character.
20:59 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_05]: This movie absolutely makes no sense from her perspective, right?
21:04 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
21:09 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Bill Murray's final form, he like his speech is different way talks, different kind of comes off, like, you know, sort of just like, oh, shocks, but it's like, it feels a little manufacture, but there's also the sense of, like, if this is like 33 years in, he doesn't know this is the last day, either.
21:30 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so we don't know if this is another, um,
21:35 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's trying this on for size, you know what I mean it's like there's a certain element of it like how often has he been doing the piano so well at at the party and was that like was at his first time giving
21:47 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: WrestleMania tickets and was that, but was this, you know, but like maybe this time we put a little more attention on reader than he did like the time before or you know what I mean, I've got a yeah, I've got a perspective on this.
21:59 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_00]: What does Heather think I want to know first what she loves the movie, but like and I and if I was going to, if for since we're talking in tweaks, I think the biggest streak for me is when he says to read a
22:16 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he says, because I love you, scrap the because I love you because that would if I don't see how she would just be like, okay.
22:23 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean, it's like I think right I think it's just happy now that's actually a really nice way to end that and and I think as soon as he says because I love you.
22:36 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see how she could be like, okay, I mean, yeah, I she surprised by all those things, but that's like 24 hours from the last time she saw where you make no sense for her perspective.
22:45 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_05]: For sure, it makes zero sense from her perspective.
22:48 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no problem to some degree of her being like, well, this is I had no idea this side of it.
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the interactions I've had with him.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's not the real hit.
22:57 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I caught him in a bad day because this is a lot.
23:00 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's so much here that suggests this guy is actually much more interesting and sweet and all those things.
23:06 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I totally could see someone being like, I wanna get to know this person a little bit more, but if that person said I love you, I cannot undercuts it to me.
23:14 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that to me is the biggest week I would make is remove that line.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we've already had a moment where he says I love you and she's like, you don't even know me.
23:22 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I don't know why I don't know why it would work this day.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm going to tell you.
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to tell you why it works because he actually does love her.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't love her before.
23:33 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_05]: He thought he did really.
23:36 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_05]: She is a project for him at one at some point in this 30 year journey.
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_05]: He stopped trying to have sex with her.
23:47 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he just feels like that's not going to happen moreover.
23:51 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I want to do this to this person because it's, I would just be manipulating this person.
24:00 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_05]: But somewhere along the way, he authentically falls in love with her and it doesn't really happen.
24:11 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I don't know.
24:11 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I think Bronco, Bronco girl is an option for me, at least for a show.
24:20 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_05]: I do think that there's something about he's changed, he's no longer
24:26 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_05]: He's no longer a phallocentric, this guy.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_05]: He actually cares about punksotani.
24:32 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_05]: He might feel like a god in the way that you would, if you were into this situation, but not like, I'm better than everyone.
24:41 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, in order to give my life any meaning at all, I have to become a different person morally speaking.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's so he's become a different person.
24:52 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not the same person that he said I love you before.
24:55 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Moreover, he's authentically expressing something like it's earnestly true in his soul.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And she sees that.
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: She sees it from a guy that she's known for 24 hours.
25:09 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_05]: It, like I said, it doesn't make sense from her perspective, but think about it from his perspective.
25:13 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_05]: He's thinking, I don't really care what the response is.
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_05]: She might slap my face again.
25:19 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_05]: But in this moment, I have to say this thing to this person, no matter the consequence.
25:26 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that there's something authentic about that that for whatever reason it works,
25:33 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_05]: One in a million shot, it happens to work this time.
25:38 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
25:39 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from a romantic comedy perspective, again, don't it?
25:43 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_05]: It is a little bit, I think most romantic comedies are fallocentric.
25:48 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think, you know, Andy McDowell's perspective is really not considered very well in this movie.
25:56 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_05]: No, but as an audience
25:59 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_05]: you desperately want her to love him back because of Ray Charles.
26:07 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm telling you that this song is so good that it actually fools you into thinking that she could fall.
26:16 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_04]: You give your hand to me and then you say hello and I can harness me.
26:27 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you Steve, that song is so good.
26:45 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_05]: It will fool you into thinking that Andy McDowell could fall for Bill Murray and this movie.
26:50 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a top 10 love song of all time.
26:53 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_05]: This may be the best needle drop of in any movie.
26:57 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just an all time banger.
27:00 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_05]: I love this song so much.
27:02 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's in a movie with some horseshit songs.
27:06 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, all the songs of the Zoe are so horrible so then when that drops you're thinking oh my god I think I'm in love with Bill Murray if you if you told me that John Tash did the soundtrack I got a balloon
27:24 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I think Harold Rames is actually co-wrote the weather man song.
27:28 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's really bad.
27:31 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if that is, so this is a testament to how good this movie is that it's first impression on who is the weather man song and you still watch it.
27:39 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I turned that thing on my son and I was like, ah man, I can't forget.
27:44 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_05]: It's almost, it's almost genius, and I'll tell you why.
27:48 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think Ramus is, I think Ramus actually thinks that it's a good, he's making good choices musically.
27:56 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_05]: But the fact that it's so bad, almost matches the personality of Bill Murray early on.
28:04 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when he finally shifts, it's Ray Charles, and it's like,
28:10 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_05]: In contrast to the horrible music we experienced earlier in this movie, Ray Charles feels like I'm in heaven and it's enough.
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_05]: It's enough for me to be like, all right, I'm on board.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
28:23 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it did me, but I mean, he does have his turn, but he still plays the song he plays during the the banquet scene.
28:33 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm on the piano.
28:34 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, I was going to say I was going to say my favorite trope.
28:38 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
28:38 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_05]: It's it's white guy wearing Ray Charles glasses playing jazz playing white people jazz playing way and I will say this.
28:47 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a fan of the saxophone as you as you know, like I would say like 99% of the time, I hate the saxophone and usually the 1% involves Huey Lewis and the news.
29:02 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And when I think of the saxophone just sort of as a concept, it's the music that is played during that scene.
29:08 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
29:10 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_05]: For me, the saxophone is what the lead guitarist's ponytail hair is to your sensibilities.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha, Gotcha.
29:18 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so that makes it so that we were, so if you were an hour trapped in Groundhog Day, we would do everything we could do a void that band.
29:24 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
29:31 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, I'm going to let you go back to the original conversation, which was, do we believe that Andy McDowell actually would fall for this guy?
29:38 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so I don't have a problem, you know, with like I said, if you look at it from her perspective, she was dealing with him the day before the ride up or whatever and she and he like she's been warned he's he's a pain and all of that right, so they only have much of a relationship prior to that and he sort of lives up to that being a pain prima Donna.
29:59 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: when they, um, when they first get there because like the day before, you know, he's, you know, she has to get him his hotel or his Airbnb would or Ben breakfast and everything.
30:11 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like he's, so he's a piece of pain when they get there.
30:13 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But then the next day, they do their shoot and he's, you know, 100% locked in as this, not only a great, you know, weatherman, but he's, he's inspiring people with his speech.
30:26 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like,
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like taking a back, that's different.
30:30 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And then her experiences throughout the day is all of this stuff that he's known for, that he does all that stuff without her, which I think is really important for this thing, right?
30:42 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, she's hearing other people sing his praises.
30:45 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I think number one, it's really important to call out that she sees him do the best weatherman bit.
30:55 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_05]: She's probably seen anyone ever do.
30:58 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_05]: And I believe that she's affected by that.
31:00 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_05]: She earnestly cares about her job.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_05]: She thinks it's important.
31:04 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_05]: She, you know, her career doesn't sort of encapsulate her, but it's important to her.
31:09 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And so to see him actually care about the things she cares about, I think she sees him in a new way.
31:17 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think she would be genuinely curious in that evening hearing about all these like tales of things that he's done.
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would be curious
31:27 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to know a little bit more about this person.
31:29 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Moreover, he's such a prick to her.
31:33 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_05]: The second and third day.
31:34 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Like literally sexually harassing her in one of these scenes, but she has no memory of that.
31:41 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
31:42 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
31:42 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think he's he's almost become an asexual being at this point in the movie.
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, by the time he sort of delivers the
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_05]: the check-off speech.
31:54 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
31:55 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_05]: The ground block.
31:59 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
31:59 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_05]: She didn't experience any of that.
32:01 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think if you watch one of the early scenes, like his statement, like, people like blood sausage, people are morons.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_05]: You look at her face.
32:09 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_05]: She actually thinks that's a funny joke.
32:11 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So there's something, she's not just the polyanish.
32:16 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_05]: poetry loving girl.
32:18 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that she does appreciate him on she drinks she drinks sweet vermouth on the rocks with a twist.
32:23 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: She's a monster.
32:27 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great scene when he actually takes a sip when he takes a sip.
32:31 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly what that tastes like.
32:33 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never ordered that, but I know exactly what it tastes like.
32:35 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That is insane.
32:36 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an insane drink order.
32:39 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So all right.
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's go back to what you're saying.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_05]: From her perspective.
32:44 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_05]: She knows him as sort of the cynical guy who's self-envolved, but she doesn't know him really that well.
32:50 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the next day she realizes, holy shit, this guy's talented, and he actually moved me with a Groundhog Day speech.
33:00 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_05]: That's impressive.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he kind of ignores her.
33:05 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
33:05 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_05]: And then he's as a errands to run.
33:08 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_05]: He has errands to run and then she's realizing he's like like the Prince of Punks of Tony.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Like who is this guy?
33:17 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_05]: So all of that to say is that she doesn't know him at all, right?
33:24 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_05]: But from it, from all the accounts, he's like the perfect man.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_05]: But he still looks like Bill Murray.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would explain why he's single.
33:39 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_05]: So I totally buy your, I totally, and I think that for most of the last 20 years of watching this movie, I agreed with you like there's no way she falls for him and it makes no sense as a romantic comedy.
33:57 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_05]: It almost makes more sense as sort of like a Buddhist treatment of loss of ego, more than a romantic comedy, right?
34:06 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_05]: But I love as weird dude, and if you catch the right person at the right moment, people will do crazy, crazy shit.
34:18 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it is designed as a romantic comedy first.
34:22 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do in a little research, I'm sure you have to
34:28 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: be very careful when I say similar to our last film because memoirs of an invisible man is not on this level.
34:35 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But similar to the last film, you have a differing of opinions on how the movie's tone should be from the director and the actor.
34:45 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And because Bill Murray wants more philosophical, Bill Murray wants to explore a little bit more of the existential dread
34:56 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: that Ramus wants to make a romantic comedy.
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And so they're at odds a lot.
35:02 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the movie that kind of killed their friendship.
35:05 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, after this movie, they don't talk for 21 years.
35:08 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:09 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And like he showed up late to the set, he would be a pain.
35:12 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess he was going through a divorce.
35:14 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So that sort of altered his mood and probably changed his desire.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Murray, not Raymond.
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Murray, yeah, for like wanting to do something
35:27 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, and I know that they brought in the Ruben to, you know, to sort of doctor the re-doctor the script, and so I know Murray and him work together, and he was kind of frustrating for Ruben, um, and so anyway, you essentially ran this wins out, and there are some elements that, um, the, there is dark elements for sure in this, but they don't go too far, um, and I
35:56 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_00]: was I mean we see we do see him commit suicide three times right exactly that's dark connected to the next movie we're gonna watch by the way it's exactly so the uh... but so there was I guess the the alternate ending was he expresses his love to read a after the this the spell is broken uh... which which made more sense
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she recoils, yeah, which makes, and it puts her on a time loop.
36:30 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
36:31 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that that's a weird ending.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a weird ending.
36:36 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I like it.
36:36 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And I do like a better.
36:38 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_05]: The end of this movie never really made sense to me, but continue.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It is an Adlib line that he does that I think helps the movie.
36:45 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: where at the end where he goes, let's live here, he had lips right afterwards.
36:48 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's rent the start.
36:49 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's a really key moment.
36:51 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if it was an ad lib.
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he saved the scene with that.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's live here.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't make any sense at all.
36:59 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:59 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if it was me, it'd be like, let's go to Hawaii for a while.
37:04 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and that's why I think though, let's rent to start was like, I'd like because it kind of gave this like, oh, you for it.
37:10 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I can't believe this is finally happening.
37:13 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love this place.
37:15 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, no, no, no, actually, you know what, maybe a brick, you know, so I think that's a really, I think that's a really simple ad lib that that helps move the rest of, you know, the ever after a little bit.
37:25 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what it does though is it also kind of brings you back to reality.
37:30 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is sort of a fantasy world.
37:34 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_05]: And all the segments like.
37:37 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's we'll rent to start is something that you would just sort of something mundane, you would just say to someone that There's nothing fantasy land about let's rent to start.
37:50 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea of renting versus buying no longer says you're not going to live by their rules anymore.
37:57 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Well also I mean she might not like him like right right like if he doesn't know exactly what's gonna happen with this entire town all day long he might not be a prince right and if you go let's say you go back to New York it's like there's just not a lot of chainsaw ice sculpting opportunities like that's a big
38:21 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big bonus for, for why they're together, you know.
38:24 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_05]: It's the, the, the chainsaw, it's really made this relationship.
38:29 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_05]: No, you're right, the ending of this movie is a problem.
38:34 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_05]: The ending McDowell perspective on him is a problem.
38:38 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_05]: For some reason, I've just resolved to overlook those things.
38:44 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's kind of, I think that's where most people I talk to are.
38:48 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
38:50 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But what a great, like everything about this is so, it's almost perfect, right?
38:57 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there is, if you allow it to follow the rules of say a holiday movie, like a Christmas movie.
39:08 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of things you forget when a Christmas movie because there are tropes and elements of that that you just know are going to be part of it right you're supposed to feel good Mm-hmm.
39:17 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They just are you're just the way it works and it's supposed to be inexplicable and that's fine.
39:21 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think part of the inexplicability of this is one of the things that makes it Uh, makes it special is they never you don't know why any of this happened it just does
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: turn down the roll because they're like, well, I don't understand why this is happening.
39:42 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's an interesting thing that that matters.
39:43 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I never thought I've never considered, well, I wonder why.
39:48 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's never even crossed my mind because I don't care.
39:52 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, that's not the point.
39:54 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I guess they even had like a couple of scenes that we're going to do where it was like an invention went, hey, wire, sort of like, no more as a
40:08 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And they told the studio that they were going to shoot those scenes and they said, we're going to plan to shoot those lasso when we run out of time.
40:14 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We just don't do it in terms of, I think it's, which is really interesting.
40:17 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just, but I, but I mean, think about, I mean, like, how much worse is this movie if you, if there's a reason, and then if there's a reason, you know what they have to do, undo it, and that becomes the mission.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: if you have no reason for it.
40:30 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in the mission is just self realization.
40:34 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this, this Buddhist growth that you kind of knew.
40:38 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:39 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Let me, let me suggest this to you.
40:41 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I think for our generation, this is our, it's a wonderful life.
40:46 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I would agree.
40:48 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_05]: So this is a wonderful life.
40:51 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not like an experiment that goes, hey, why are it's sort of, this is all kind of fantasy land.
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Angel gives us wings situation.
41:00 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_05]: If you were going to like, if you wanted to tell me how this movie was done, could you involve an angel that's sort of the prologue and the epilogue of the movie?
41:12 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a worse movie, but it's better to do it that way than to do it as a sci-fi thing.
41:18 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:19 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:19 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this movie a sci-fi?
41:22 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to ask that question too.
41:25 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's somewhat feels like it, right?
41:27 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and there's a lot of things that would it's almost like a religious sci-fi to some degree, right?
41:33 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe like almost an eastern philosophical sci-fi.
41:37 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a little better term because it's because there is
41:41 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: when you're dealing with a time loop, I immediately start thinking science fiction, right?
41:47 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Science fiction.
41:48 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_05]: And also, you're kind of playing out the consequences of like, well, what if this happened?
41:54 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you want to explore all of the ramifications for this freak occurrence.
42:01 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a very, that's a very sci-fi thing to do.
42:05 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:05 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there could have been days where I don't know if you could do off track betting in Punks of Tony or whatever, but like he would know these types of like if he knows the jeopardy thing, things of that nature, it's like, could you set yourself up for if I ever get out of this, I could be rich because of it.
42:20 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting that this is all in a small town.
42:23 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's something bones are down.
42:27 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
42:27 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
42:27 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's very, it's very, it's all very contained.
42:33 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like he's
42:36 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_05]: in a lot of ways.
42:37 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, if you could be upnipotent, but you have to live in a snow globe, that's kind of what this movie is.
42:44 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:45 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we have any, or I wonder if there's any theories that when he gets hit in the back of the head with the shovel when he's on the phone that that begins this whole thing and that's because if he gets hit in the head,
42:57 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: the next scene is him drinking and he like does this thing we're like he kind of holds the middle of the bridge of his nose and kind of makes like like he's got a migraine kind of going on and then the next thing you know he's he's in this so he's in a coma the whole time.
43:11 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_05]: There's I think you're right in that the fact that they don't explain the time loop makes it a better movie because I think a worse movie is he kind of wakes up from a coma, Chris Elliott
43:27 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_05]: You really were out for a full week or something like that.
43:31 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
43:31 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And then because of his little experience, which may or may not be real, he's a better man.
43:36 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just not a very good movie that way.
43:41 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
43:41 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_05]: It's better than I was like the never real.
43:44 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that he'd win or, and I'm sure there's moments in his 33 years where he's trying to find a literature on this, right?
43:52 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But the movie didn't waste any of the time with that.
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: where he tries to figure out something and then it's just nothing.
44:01 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I like that the resources are so limited.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, right.
44:04 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_05]: There's one, there's one psychiatrist in town.
44:10 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_05]: His office looks like his mom decorated it for him.
44:15 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I love that character.
44:16 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that this, all right, the other character that I absolutely love.
44:22 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_05]: is Doris.
44:24 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_05]: This is the scene where he explains his predicament.
44:28 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_05]: And if you just rewatch it and look at what the waitresses, facial expressions are, it just makes the scene so much better.
44:38 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_03]: What was that again?
44:41 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a god.
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_03]: You're a god.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a god.
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Not the god.
44:46 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Because you survived a car wreck,
44:51 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't just survive a wreck.
44:53 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't just blown up yesterday.
44:55 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I have been stabbed, shot, poisoned, frozen, home, electrocuted, and burned.
45:01 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, really?
45:03 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Every morning I wake up without a scratch on me, not a dent in the fender.
45:06 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I am in the model.
45:10 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_05]: special today's blueberry waffles I this movie has so many fantastic supporting actors the supporting actors in this film are so good her facial expressions during that scene are are absolutely brilliant and there's like half a dozen characters like this that they kind of feel like bit parts but they come back and they
45:39 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_05]: where they get to kind of play a scene a little bit differently.
45:41 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_05]: So they're actually a much bigger part of the movie that you would initially give him credit for.
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and Ramus is a really good job of doing that.
45:48 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he does a great job of building these people like they have to do the same, they have to be in the same day.
45:53 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So he kind of grounds them and has them centered in this same day for them, but they're authentically reacting to all of these things.
46:03 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And there are so many elements of this movie.
46:08 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: how can you have a movie where your comedic lead has so much gravitas and he does in this movie.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet also the scenes are being stolen around him left and right.
46:23 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Tobelowski, oh my gosh, look, I love Bill Murray, but Tobelowski steals
46:32 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Every seam that he's in.
46:34 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Ned Ryerson?
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Bang!
46:36 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Bang!
46:39 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you turn fro with that belly button thing, Ned?
46:41 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Phil.
46:42 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw insurance.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_02]: What a shot.
46:44 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have life insurance?
46:46 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you do, you could always use a little more.
46:48 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right, or am I right.
46:53 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: he's he's just amazing he's amazing in this film the funniest thing he says in their my opinion again I'm watching this a thousand times he goes just to go pro with that belly button thing just no and then he goes into the next thing like
47:09 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't, he doesn't laugh at off.
47:12 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He says no, like, no, I got something even better for you.
47:16 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the way it's like, it's, it's a such a value added response to a ridiculous question, and it really helps you even understand this character even further.
47:24 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And total lack of self-awareness, which you would think, hey, it's probably a pretty good life insurance salesman.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all a big crap shoot, any who.
47:35 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, every single time he comes back, I just look forward to it every time.
47:40 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a career to finding performance, you know?
47:42 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he will always be this forever.
47:46 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And what you, you know, people, maybe you don't want that, but you know, at the same time, it's like not everybody gets that.
47:52 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And there is, just the, you know, the two drugs are great.
48:00 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I think that their fantastic, it's Guff, Gus and Ralph.
48:06 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And for whatever reason, they give Gus two of the most important lines in the entire film.
48:14 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_05]: They give him sort of that stupid half glass full glass half empty, you know, line, which kind of launches him on phase two of his journey.
48:27 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_05]: He's fully drunk at that point, and then they also give him the identity reveal.
48:32 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_05]: where he says, hey, your name's Phil.
48:35 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Just like the roundhog, which is a major theme in this movie.
48:40 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he is Phil, they are living parallelized.
48:44 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like one of them is the spirit animal for the other.
48:47 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, they're both basically weathermen.
48:50 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_05]: They're both looking down the barrel of forever winter.
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
48:55 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when he commits to a side, he decides he's got to kill the groundhog too.
48:59 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Thinking that some almost feels like it's like a totem of some sort, right?
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
49:04 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I guess Gus gets that line too.
49:07 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We never see, and they're wise to not.
49:09 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what happened, I'm sure he tries to stay awake through six o'clock to see what happens.
49:14 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, that would be at least one of the methods that he tries, right, right.
49:20 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I do think you get the sense that that's what happened when he goes to jail.
49:24 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that he stays awake and then it just flips and he residing bit as soon as it flips to six.
49:30 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, at least that's what the viewer sees.
49:33 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_05]: The viewer sees that he's behind bars, he's upright.
49:37 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_05]: And then who knows, the next thing that happens is he wakes up, so that that's how I interpret that scene anyway.
49:48 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, so I have told you my favorite trope, what's your favorite trope?
49:55 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how how trope it is because it feels like maybe it only exists in this type of film, but like
50:06 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I like I love when he's when he's doing the pacing of the of the robbery.
50:10 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and maybe that's just a scene.
50:13 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I like and maybe maybe I've all seen the so many times that it feels like a trope, but like maybe maybe Groundhog Day has sort of like helped create certain tropes.
50:22 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But like that that sequence where like when he knows like
50:26 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like any kind of heist when someone predicts something, like if you, if, you know, I think even in Hudson Hawk, right?
50:33 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They do it to singing, like when there's almost a dance to a heist type thing.
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why that that tickles me.
50:44 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_05]: Also, like the predicting of what's going to happen.
50:47 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_05]: that you, you watching, like I think ocean's 11, for instance.
50:51 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, you've case the joint so well, that you are predicting everyone's movement because that everyone's sort of living their own repetitious lives.
51:02 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you recognize the youngest, the young married couple?
51:05 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you recognize the recognized Michael Shannon?
51:09 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Michael Chan.
51:10 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't until this morning when I re-watched this morning, I was like, is that Michael Shannon?
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, that's his debut.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Chan.
51:19 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess Bill Murray was rude to him on set, and Harold Ram is made him apologize in public.
51:27 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_05]: So, so, Zod, Zod, got the idea for being Zod going to WrestleMania, apparently so.
51:36 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Zod went to WrestleMania, saw Zeus, face, whole-cogun, but it's not a bad gig.
51:43 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I'm going to be Zod.
51:46 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this was my, I don't know how many times I've seen this movie, this was the first time I recognized Michael Shannon.
51:52 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_05]: I loved it.
51:53 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_05]: They are so excited about going to WrestleMania.
51:55 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, that's really like, it's a very authentic scene.
52:00 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_05]: They're getting married.
52:00 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to honeymoon in Pittsburgh and they get to see WrestleMania.
52:07 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of little elements like that are really interesting.
52:11 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the some of the things were reading like he would prevent things in the original drafts, like he would prevent the fish truck from being able to arrive so that somebody wouldn't
52:28 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is way better, I think.
52:29 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think just this sort of like the quick.
52:33 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to go catch a kid.
52:34 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to go save this perfect joke.
52:36 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He just got to fix tire and all these things.
52:39 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad that you mentioned the catch a kid thing because I feel like Bill Murray authentically plays a guy who's gone through tremendous moral development.
52:49 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_05]: But he still has the same sense of humor.
52:53 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, like hasn't lost believeably.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, exactly believeably.
52:57 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_05]: This is the same person.
52:59 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_05]: He's going to he's going to do a full on sprint to catch a kid in a way that he thinks matters
53:08 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I think you could view this as, well, he's, this is just going to happen every day.
53:13 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, why does this matter?
53:14 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_05]: The only person that really matters for is him.
53:17 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_05]: He cares enough to do it.
53:20 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And yet he's still a little bit myth that the kids never say, I think.
53:25 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So thank you.
53:26 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I think it's just a really smart way to create continuity in the character while also showing more of the
53:38 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
53:39 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, and he, it don't really does such a good job of being all these versions of himself, um, um, that, uh, and, and again, knowing the time frame really helps to be able to sit there and say, well, yeah, I, I could see you could change, and in a case had an opportunity to be the worst versions of themselves and how knows who knows how bad those worst versions of himself work.
54:04 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: you know what I mean.
54:04 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's not going to surprise you that this is my favorite Bill Murray movie.
54:11 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Where does this rank for you in Bill Murray performances?
54:15 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Because he gets a lot of, I mean, he, man, he gets a lot of opportunity to do a lot of scenes in any number of ways in this movie.
54:26 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's as a tough one because
54:29 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a couple iterations of Bill Murray, right, career wise, I mean, I, I, I hold, Ghostbusters up as to me, it's the perfect comedy.
54:44 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you, you've got to tattoo on your arm.
54:46 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, I, I, I hold it to, to, it's, it's, it's a rare feat.
54:53 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_00]: What Ghostbusters does.
54:55 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And,
54:57 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: a good chunk of that is is, you know, Bill Murray for sure, but there's a lot of other elements in there that that works, so that he sort of becomes more of an anchor.
55:07 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: This is sort of to some degree, it's like.
55:11 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like his cast away or something, you know what I mean, like it's that kind of.
55:16 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_00]: he's so centralized, it's interesting that you say castaway just as a sidebar because I think originally this movie was pitched to Tom Hanks, yeah it was and he said he was kind of wanted to go away from like the he's like I think he said I everybody would know it'll work out in the end because of me.
55:36 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So I like it, I'll talk about that a little later but I want to return to the
55:42 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is God.
55:44 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard.
55:45 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to argue against this one because he's so funny.
55:48 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He does so many different things.
55:51 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I still am kind of a sucker for in terms of just straight performance.
55:56 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Broken flowers might be one of the most and it's not not from a comedic standpoint, but I think it's is.
56:01 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: most understated, and one of his more intriguing performances.
56:07 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a big, I'm very partial to Rushmore, I love Rushmore.
56:11 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Love Rushmore, love Life Aquatic, I think it's Steve Isissu, it was incredible.
56:16 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I think the closest he ever got to sort of critical acclaim was lost in translation.
56:23 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:25 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but for me, this is it.
56:27 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_05]: This is this is this is the defining film of his career more so than Osmosis Jones.
56:37 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_05]: More so than Garfield.
56:38 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_05]: So I, um, you know, for me, this movie, supersedes Ghostbusters.
56:49 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Then I couldn't imagine you same the same.
56:53 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
56:55 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I mean, it just performance for performance, maybe maybe I'd give it to them.
57:01 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is still goes well, just to me, it just is just a better comedy.
57:07 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and Ghostbusters for a while might have been the most successful comedy of all time.
57:14 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it's just, I mean, both of these do something pretty, pretty fantastic where they take a very high concept and deliver.
57:23 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_00]: the goods.
57:24 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's super hard to do.
57:26 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like usually the higher the concept, the harder it is to execute especially if it's a comedy.
57:30 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think.
57:31 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm glad you brought up Tom Hanks because, you know, initially they thought, you know, let's do Tom Hanks.
57:39 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And what I heard was Ray Miss thought, I don't know if people buy him as an asshole at the beginning of the movie.
57:54 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_05]: He is a 100% asshole, you know, that's really great.
58:00 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And yet, this movie is very, very similar to Jill versus the volcano, in terms of tone, in terms of sort of overall message, in terms of like, I'm gonna see life differently now with this information, and I love that movie.
58:23 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that that movie is ruined, if it's Bill Murray, and I think that this movie is ruined, if it's Tom Hanks.
58:33 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's fair.
58:35 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Jovers Volcano is a much less celebrated movie.
58:37 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_05]: It's sort of one of my guilty pleasures, but you know, it is one that I returned to a lot.
58:44 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's an underrated angst joint for sure, especially kind of in the midst of some other
58:52 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_05]: It feels like maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like he was still like kind of moving away from what you would consider a job versus the volcano time moving, but one of the most bill Murray lines in this film that I look forward to every time is he's doing the piano lessons, she's like, you see this is your first lesson.
59:14 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And he said he says, yeah, but my father was a piano mover, so it's just delivered completely deadpan.
59:25 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_05]: It's sort of, this is a joke that's just for me, you know, I'm just trying to entertain myself in this weird experience.
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a perfect, it's a perfect Bill Murray line.
59:38 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's great.
59:39 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got so many wonderful lines in the, it's,
59:44 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's especially that first day.
59:47 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The first day it happens.
59:50 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what if there is no tomorrow?
59:52 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't today.
59:53 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's another one.
59:55 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great line.
59:56 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I also like the line fastest Jack in Jefferson County.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that makes me laugh every single time.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_05]: I like the, like at the very end, like the last time we see Tobalowski, he realized that he's been burned by Andy McDowell.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_05]: And he makes a little cat noise.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_05]: And and doesn't walk off like he's up to do to his next adventure.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that if there was ever a sequel or there's been off it would just be, I want to follow him.
01:00:32 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_05]: It's Andy McDowell going through the same day ever and over, except for she just has to spend it all day long with Tobelowski.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Or Tobelowski's living every day over and over again, but he just doesn't realize it.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I made another sale, same person, crazy!
01:00:51 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So Steve, is this movie better worse during part of the Ron Howard movie?
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is properly Howard.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're really...
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: spot on with that.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, um, it's properly Howard and for all the, like I said, for all the right reasons and even the even the reasons that I kind of poke at, I'm like, that also feels right.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_05]: It's probably Howard and in my view, it's the best property Howard movie ever made.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Is there a, uh, a half the battle one to groan moment in the film?
01:01:23 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Um,
01:01:25 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: shoot.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I had something written down earlier.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, this entire movie is kind of the whole thing world play, right?
01:01:31 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was where you kind of end up with like, well, we'll don't do it.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you get another chance, then don't do it.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think I think going back to what you talked about earlier, there was a time where you were, you would mire it him being in his little
01:01:52 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: don't wait for a time loop to seize the day.
01:01:56 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that that's probably, and I think, I mean, as a religious study scholar, I feel like this, what one of the most surprising things that I learned about in my, in my education was the concept of a jubu.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Have you, are you familiar with jubus?
01:02:13 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: No, or those are things that everyone's collecting now?
01:02:17 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's right.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_05]: a jubu is a very well-known category to Jewish people, people who are ethnically Jewish, and maybe even want to temple us kids, but now identify as Buddhist.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_05]: And there's a lot at sometimes you hear this as budju, but
01:02:36 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_05]: This has become a syncretism that's kind of recognized.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of an important American religious category.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_05]: And for a lot of reasons, but there's a lot in sort of Hebrew wisdom and Buddhist wisdom that are very compatible.
01:02:55 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I don't know a lot about ramus, but I wouldn't be surprised.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_05]: if there was a little bit of that that snuck into this film.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was raised Jewish and then he adopted Buddhism with the second wife.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_05]: So I would say that this film is almost, if you were going to teach a class,
01:03:18 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_05]: on the intersection between Judaism, which would incorporate sort of Hebrew wisdom tradition, but also humor, and Buddhism, which sort of is all about loss of ego, and there's a Buddhist concept where it does take 10 years for your soul to be reborn.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of that in this film.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_05]: For me, this film is the perfect encapsulation of the Jewish Buddhist experience.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Saying that as someone who's neither Jewish nor Buddhist.
01:03:55 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, I very limited perspective mine, but I think it is used in religious studies classes to illustrate some of these points.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Also, like I said before, you can be a total asshole in every way possible, but if you learned ice-copped, people will love you, which it's hard, and not everyone can do it.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: First off, wielding a chainsaw on and of itself is no mean feat.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_05]: I am so afraid of chainsaw's, I've used chainsaws in the past.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I know how to use chainsaws, they still scare the hell out of me.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it's all on a chain.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_05]: It might take 30 years of a time loop before you feel comfortable.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you knew that you could nick yourself and still be okay.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: The next day, I mean, that's probably goes a long way.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I'm in times he was alive.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He was president.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Those even needs in the hospital because of the, you know, chainsaw getting away from
01:05:00 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_05]: So Steve, we're entering their final film for Bacon Rapp.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_05]: We're looking down the barrel of covering flat liners.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Indeed.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I've never seen flat liners.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_05]: So this is going to be a new experience for me.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I've always kind of wanted to see it.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I've heard that it's, you know, it's like, it's not the best movie in the world, but it's always kind of intrigued me, just sort of the premise of the film.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I, it's a Jolshu Maker join.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Didn't, didn't plan it this way, but it just so happens that we have repetitive suicide in this film, and the film becomes an exception.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm happy to have this one.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_05]: So, um...
01:05:51 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Then you say hello, and I can honestly, my heart is beating so, and you didn't want to tell, you think you know me well, but you don't know me,
01:06:18 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Things of you and I And longs to kiss your lips And longs to hold your time Oh, I'm just a friend That's all I've ever been Oh, you don't know me Oh, you don't know me Oh, I've never knew
01:06:46 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_04]: the honor making love, though my heart hits with love please.
01:06:56 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_04]: A friend and shy, I've been my chance goodbye.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I chance that you might love me too.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Love me too.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_04]: You give your hand to me,
01:07:15 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I watch you walk away It's time for love and I love to never know The one love is all Where you don't know me
01:07:43 --> 01:07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, my heart, they should know for you.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_04]: A friend and shy, I've met my chance goodbye.
01:07:56 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I cast that you might love me too.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I need you.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you give your hand to me.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Then you say goodbye.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I want you all the way Besides the lucky guy Oh, you never understood The one who loved your song Well, you don't know me You don't want me You don't know
01:08:48 --> 01:08:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Special today's blueberry waffles.
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