Steve and Anthony remove Clue from their shoes.
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00:19 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Properly Howell, a podcast that reviews classic films and other old fiction.
00:25 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Today we take a look at the 1985 comedy mystery film, Clue is based on the board game of the same name and is a farstical who done it where every character could have and probably should have been played by John Ritter.
00:39 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: With me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony
00:49 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: British Ritter known for some very hairy cleavage this guy John Ritter.
00:56 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like of all the things we talk about not enough is talked about how impossibly hairy he was who's the actor that you most think of when I say like hairy chest I think of it's kind of a combo right.
01:09 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Robin Williams Robin Williams is kind of the epitome of shower and a sweater guy.
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Alec Baldwin
01:18 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a good one.
01:19 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've bald one very often.
01:22 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:23 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, but ridder, ridder sneaky hairy.
01:27 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I always think of, and this is sort of an Italian curse, but when I think of, um, the godfather, there's a scene where James Khan is wearing a tank top and he's just got prominent back here.
01:41 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:42 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And I always just think like, ma'am, frees to make movies in this country.
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the back, no, the back hair is part of this character.
01:51 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We're keeping the back hair.
01:53 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that, I mean, I would probably, he probably just got cast purely because he would auditioned in a tank top and they're like, yep, you're a gangster.
01:59 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Get in here.
01:59 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't look Italian enough.
02:03 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, I didn't see you from the back side.
02:06 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I say, yeah, all right, we may never do a face shot.
02:11 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Steve, Steve, do you have a good dog poop procedure?
02:15 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You must have a good dog poop removal procedure.
02:19 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It for sure varies.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's something that a guy with seven dogs has a good dog poop procedure.
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like stepping in it or getting rid of it.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, stepping in the poop.
02:34 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you get it off your shoe to your satisfaction?
02:38 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first off, I have a really good technique of detecting whether or not I have poop on my shoe and that is I track it all over the house and then I try to find the dog that stepped in it and as I'm chasing dogs, I'm making the situation dramatically worse.
02:56 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my, that's my fail safe for laying out whether or not I've stepped that's that's good.
03:01 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've glad to know that, but now remind me, you don't have carpet.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I do.
03:08 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: In my bedroom and on your bedroom, catch it and those are usually where the dogs go and so I go in there and and then what's nice is that the carpet does a lot of the cleaning off my shoe.
03:23 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, all right, but like, and so as you also know, not only do I have a lot of dogs, which means I have a lot of dog poop.
03:30 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I also have a lot of shoes, so what happens is even more shoes than you have dogs.
03:35 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what happens is I will put those shoes outside.
03:37 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like outside, if you go to my porch right now, you will see a nice row of very nice sneakers that are waiting to be cleaned.
03:46 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get it, you have so many shoes that you can put off cleaning said shoes indefinitely.
03:55 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Heather will be like, I can't believe you bought another pair of shoes and I said, I can't believe you bought another dog.
04:04 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
04:04 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
04:05 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This is good.
04:05 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is good for me now.
04:06 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I learned a great shit removal technique.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in Ireland.
04:14 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I was in Ireland at a friend's house and unfortunately, I stepped in poop.
04:21 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, rarely, it was unfortunately, I stepped in and it was an odd thing.
04:27 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It was sort of like, you know, you're at a friend's house and you know, I don't visit him often because he's an Ireland and it's a bit out of the way.
04:39 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was sort of like, I'm embarrassed, man.
04:43 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I got shit on my shoe, you know, and then he's like, oh, no, no, the shit was from our dog.
04:51 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel bad about that, you know.
04:54 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So there was that little dance, you know, is he, it might be in a bad guest, just he being a bad host.
05:01 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
05:02 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, look, I just seemed like something to like,
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, scrape it off or whatever.
05:10 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: In my entire life, when I would look, I would look for like a tiny stick and just try to like carve the poop out of the...
05:18 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It depends on the tread, right?
05:19 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're wearing a dress shoe, that's pretty easy, right?
05:22 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's probably pretty bland.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It can be.
05:26 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Now if you've got like, you know, a sneaker with lots of different tread, yeah, then you're like, I almost would prefer a boot because the the poop will like get embedded into the the great, you know, yes, and it's pretty easy to get out.
05:42 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to find a really small stick like a, you know, an old popsicle stick will do, you know, yeah, yeah, I like to like say I, I did
05:50 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: What's nice, I have a lot of trees in my house.
05:51 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have a myriad of options, right?
05:55 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So if I get, get a nice little, a little pine, or like, you know, like, something from the redwood trees, it might have different levels of pointiness so I can kind of get into the end of that.
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's always fun.
06:06 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I love sitting.
06:07 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't want to, you don't, you definitely don't want to pine branch that is brittle because you're just going to create, now you've got chunky peanut butter.
06:16 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's nothing that says we may not have evolved as far as we think we have been sitting on the ground and carving dog shit out of the bottom of your shoe.
06:25 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something there's something about that that says I went to college, but why?
06:32 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So in Ireland apparently there's a whole they have a whole system.
06:38 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: They ate their shoes in Ireland.
06:40 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I learned once I saw my friend do this.
06:44 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I never went back and this is my technique whenever I've ever stepped in dog shit if it's island you just get drunk and forget I boil water you boil water I boil water
07:00 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: and I do a quick clean, but I don't start carving in between the treads, this is what caveman would have done.
07:09 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what Englishman would have done, you know, the area difference.
07:15 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Then what you do is when the water is hot enough, you pour the water
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: on the show you you're outside.
07:25 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to be outside.
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you do this.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
07:28 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, important.
07:28 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Overbark would be the best.
07:31 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:31 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:32 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Overbark would be the best.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And you just pour a little bit of that steaming water over it.
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're good to go, man.
07:39 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it just comes off.
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It just comes off.
07:42 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's a good thing about that is that I don't like how do you know when it's clean enough, right?
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So same thing as personal hygiene.
07:51 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_00]: you could eat off the bottom of that shoe like I could guarantee what's clean enough so you're saying that in lieu of toilet paper boiling water you got to use the toilet paper or sticker something to get out get off of the big chunks right it's like the toilet paper and then you come in with the boiling hot bidet i've thrown shoes away
08:18 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean this is this is a different solution than I think about like it's funny like I mean Shoes are different, right?
08:24 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Shoes are built for this kind of thing, but like imagine just about anything I'll look around your house and imagine dog poop smeared into it keep it You keep it.
08:36 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of my stuff needs to be thrown away anyway if I had a book and there was dog poop in between two of those pages I'm not reading all those chapters
08:46 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: now you have a lot of uh... nicknakes i do and i need to i'm glad you said that because i was already feeling self-conscious about now that the good thing about the nicknakes is that they're high so there's not gonna get dog poop on them but like look at those nicknakes they had dog poop on them would you see this is the book that i want i'm looking around right now actually thank you for for sent us
09:11 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: which are the nicknaps that I would keep if they or go through the effort of cleaning up.
09:17 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing that's Funko Pop would be worth keeping.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: No, if it had dog shit on it.
09:22 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I have.
09:25 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: When you have an item, so you don't know whether they're away, like some people will just like, do you bring me joy, you know, you ask the question?
09:32 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Or can you bring me joy if you stink?
09:34 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If you smell like dog shit, like I'm looking at you.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a, I have an,
09:40 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, animal from the Muppets puppet that I got when I was like probably like three or four years old.
09:46 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I know one hand, I'd be like, man, if that had dog poop on it, I would really want to salvage it.
09:50 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, it would be all up in the felt.
09:53 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, you've got, you know what, I'm really glad that we did this podcast.
09:58 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope no one wants to hear about this movie because I got to work through some stuff.
10:03 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
10:03 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking about dog shit for about nine minutes.
10:06 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:06 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Not saying that the movie is dog shit.
10:09 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but they did a nine minute dog shit bet in the movie right they opened with it
10:14 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They open with it and it has like four or five different levels.
10:20 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in one of the directors cuts, there's actually a ends with the dog shit bit to sort of bring it full circle.
10:29 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be nice.
10:30 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked that.
10:30 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, otherwise it's all sexual and you endow all the time.
10:33 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the movie you selected is Ranshi.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel that it satisfied your Ransh category?
10:39 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a lot to say about this.
10:43 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't like, I don't like Ronti movies, why?
10:48 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It makes me feel uncomfortable.
10:52 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what, name a, name a Ronti movie that you've seen.
10:55 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to know what your level of Ronti is, and I was like, Ronti, I mean, I feel like if it's, if something's Ronti, then that must mean that Ronti, there's a level of Ront, right?
11:07 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So can you have a Rontiless movie?
11:10 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think when I was doing research, it's sort of like crude humor that has a a tinge of sexual in you and no.
11:19 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of where I live.
11:22 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is the most ranchless movie of all time?
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the passion of the Christ?
11:27 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
11:28 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because he found it tidily.
11:34 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: See, the other.
11:37 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: A little known pair of Jesus tripping the robes up at OBA.
11:44 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember thinking, you know, the wrong.
11:46 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess the sentence in the title, man.
11:49 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The the ranch in the Austin Powers films is like right at the level that I did your ranch, okay?
11:56 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you ever see super bad.
11:58 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Super bad definitely has Ron Schumer.
12:02 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I do enjoy super bad.
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's maybe right at that level.
12:06 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's because almost the Ronch is sort of played for like almost satirical Ronch?
12:15 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how I said that and right now I'm watching one of my dogs try to hump another dog.
12:18 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
12:19 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: This is very meta for me.
12:21 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what, American pie.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not like American pie.
12:25 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't because it's not a good movie.
12:29 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it was, it was a little too crunchy for me.
12:32 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Never saw it, but I get it.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I understand what you're getting.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's okay, so there's a threshold.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just saying, like, do you graph 40 year old version?
12:41 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think 40 year old is somewhere in the world?
12:44 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think 40 year old version kind of, I put up with it.
12:48 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it crosses the line a couple times, are you at, I like the film overall, I am, I am, I will fast forward sex scenes, yeah, but you like violence, I don't like violence.
13:02 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you don't like violence?
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, how many, but you like a lot of violent movies.
13:07 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like Violet movies at times.
13:09 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:09 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I like move like I like Tarantino that's definitely violence.
13:14 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I would almost say the Tarantino's violence is Roncci.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But I come to Tarantino not for the violence.
13:21 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I come for the storytelling.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So like John Wick, not my thing, right?
13:28 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So Roncci.
13:29 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching this film and this is the first film I ever watched where I thought,
13:35 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: this one.
13:37 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This one.
13:38 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because I knew we're going to have this conversation and I wanted to feel vindicated because this was a category that was sort of like choose a crunchy comedy.
13:51 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had, because of the rules of the game, I had not seen this movie, and I chose it, thinking that, you know, this is going to be ronchi, and you know, even, you know, even kind of the movie posters and the images of the movie on IDMB were, they leaned toward the ronchi, but I was watching this, and this was the first time I was like, I hope it gets ronchi at some point, so I feel vindicated, yeah.
14:20 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there were two themes that were discussed greatly during this movie when walking with Heather, the first one was, I like this better than I then I've been joined the Rick now.
14:31 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And the second one was her constantly making fun of you in this being Ranji, like the fact that it was clearly without this is now retrospectively, I wish that it was more Ranji now.
14:44 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, let me just point out something like
14:51 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: would suggest ranch, but it just to me it was like more concerned about like geez, that's going to be so uncomfortable.
14:57 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_00]: For a movie that has what 50 sexual in you windows?
15:01 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:02 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it feels like aside from the poop humor, this movie is 100% sexual in you window.
15:09 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It actually doesn't matter who committed the murders.
15:14 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No, this movie is 90% sexual in you window with 1% dog poop
15:21 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm like, three companies, not Ranji.
15:23 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, but it's a lot of a new end-o, right?
15:27 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
15:29 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this feels... At the end of the day, I still don't understand what Ranji is.
15:34 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know, I know that I'm offended by certain things.
15:38 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I was not offended by anything in this film.
15:43 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: To the extent that I felt uncomfortable or something.
15:46 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I did think that there were a couple of little bits that were over the top.
15:51 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there were things that were like, there were, there was like some sexualized moments that just didn't, they just, they weren't, they were either funny or that they make sense and the context of what was going on.
16:05 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I glad you mentioned the who-done-it thing, like you didn't care who did it when the entire concept of the board game that this thing is based on is who did it.
16:15 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: and they were like, hey, what if we didn't make that a priority?
16:20 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be like, oh, we're going to make a movie out of the game operation.
16:24 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But everybody's just fine, like no one's sick.
16:27 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No one's sick.
16:28 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the point, right?
16:29 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So the thing is is that this movie sets everything up.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It sets the names.
16:34 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It tries to create a plot.
16:35 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And it does.
16:36 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It creates a plot as to why all these people are here and why they have the names that they have, which I don't know you needed it, but whatever you did that, you gave them aliases.
16:46 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you had, and then so there is this, you know, overarching, what are they being blackmailed for, but I don't feel like it was at any point where I'm like, oh, I wonder if we're gonna find out what they're blackmailed for.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
16:59 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't, here's the thing about this movie.
17:01 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it has probably six B-level plots and it has no A-level plot.
17:07 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a who done it.
17:08 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's, that's kind of what you want out of one of these movies.
17:12 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not just like enjoying the slapstick, you want there to be an A level plot that gets solved in the end.
17:18 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the movie tricks you because at the end, when you have this frenetic ultra like slapsticky recap of the movie as as Jim Peris trying to tell you who did it, it almost makes you think that you cared about who did it.
17:35 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_01]: because he's recapping the movie frenetically and humorously and you're like, this is great, this is funny, this is fast-moving and then you realize that like, oh, now you're doing a version of the movie that's way more interesting.
17:52 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You should have done this maybe right out the gate because it's like, I didn't care about who did it until Tim Curry made me think I cared about who did it.
18:02 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And so at that point in the movie, I was thinking, oh, good.
18:06 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We're ramping up to the conclusion here, you're like, oh, good.
18:10 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost over.
18:11 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, good.
18:12 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost over.
18:13 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the title card is like, that's what good of happened.
18:17 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we're going to show you what an alternate ending and now I'm thinking like, I hope this doesn't go on too long.
18:25 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And they did it again.
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
18:27 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.
18:27 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think,
18:30 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So if this was a play and you were watching these performers reset and then do the thing fast again, like I think that would be fun as much as I'm not necessarily a play guy, but I think the humor would be in watching the actors go through it, right?
18:49 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's something about them all resetting and I like this, I like this because
18:57 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It is my impression of you that you don't go to a very many place.
19:01 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, watching somebody act in person sounds nightmareish.
19:06 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So you think that this could be fun as a play?
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I wouldn't go.
19:11 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You think it'd be fun.
19:15 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You think I would have more fun if I watched this as a play?
19:20 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I would enjoy you trying to recommend this to me, if you want to say it as a play.
19:28 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The multiple ending thing is a problem for me.
19:31 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it goes like the director's saying.
19:35 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It actually doesn't matter.
19:36 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If you weren't here for the sexual innuendo, why were you even here at all?
19:44 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the ending isn't homage to the game.
19:48 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The idea of the game is you can play the same game with the same characters,
19:58 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: and you can come up with different configurations of who did it where with what?
20:05 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the whole point of clue, right?
20:06 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think a lot of this movie is building to the, like the last,
20:12 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Like 20 minutes is like full on the game.
20:18 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: All up to the last moment where Michael McKeen says, I killed Mr.
20:24 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Body in, it was at the study with the revolver.
20:29 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the whole thing.
20:30 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's great.
20:30 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how the game ends.
20:32 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The game ends with the right accusation of who, where and with what?
20:39 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think one of the issues with this movie is that the game doesn't care about, the game doesn't care about motive.
20:49 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The movie has to create motive because otherwise, what's the point?
20:54 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the movie gets caught up in the one thing that the game doesn't.
21:01 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you kind of spend a lot of time in this movie trying to establish a motive
21:09 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: for a game that like, you know, always wanted to who did it with what?
21:13 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I understand like a movie you can't just have it be random like that.
21:16 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that that maybe that's one of the issues is that the motive doesn't seem all that interesting, but that's where the movie's kind of centered.
21:25 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And that would be okay if it was a laugh a minute movie.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it is not, which is weird.
21:31 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there is a lot of... You mentioned Superbetta earlier, you know, Superbetta's kind of like,
21:40 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to get some beer, you ran a money, you've got to get some beer and go to the party doing press the girl that you want to, you know, whatever.
21:47 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it doesn't matter.
21:49 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the day, there was enough beer at the party.
21:51 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: None of that plot mattered at all, right?
21:54 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
21:54 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a laugh a minute movie.
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is not.
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like, like, I laughed a couple times.
22:00 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple times I laughed.
22:01 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I funny.
22:02 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: There was moments where I was like, dude, this movie's not making me laugh.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it makes me laugh.
22:05 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I felt like somehow betrayed.
22:08 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, all right, let me ask you this question.
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a little off-beat here.
22:12 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I've watched a lot of comedy specials.
22:18 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have sort of an uncomplicated relationship with the comedy special, because I don't do stand-up comedy.
22:26 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But if I get about 10 minutes in and I haven't laughed yet, I just turned it off.
22:30 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with that.
22:32 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious about you, like this is something that you've given a lot of thought to your expert at the art of stand-up comedy, can you watch a special admire it, I think it's funny, continue to watch it without audibly laughing, I don't audibly laugh a bunch, yeah.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's part of it.
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, so I can watch.
22:58 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So there is a little bit, there's a little bit of you that's like, oh, I appreciate the technique on that.
23:04 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I can I can watch.
23:06 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I can watch and kind of academically look and like I find it find it interesting.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: What are they doing and how is it effective.
23:13 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And then movie like this, so there's kind of this there's these rules that are and you know, they're not like official, but it's important, especially like if you're trying to get club work like how quickly you need to.
23:25 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: make the audience laugh like you got to earn the audiences trust that you're funny pretty early.
23:31 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And the longer you're set, the more you can over time play with drawn out premises.
23:39 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to know a guy who's like kind of all drawn out premises and he's more used to doing long sets so we can do a lot of setups with maybe a couple of chuckles in the premise
23:55 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I put that person on stage at punch line and go, he got seven minutes and then they do a seven minute joke.
24:02 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like six and a half minutes a set up.
24:06 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the punch line.
24:09 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So by the end of it, you're like, was that worth?
24:11 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the question.
24:12 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Was the juice worth the squeeze?
24:14 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Because now, if that's all you're doing, somebody's sitting there listening to you tell a story and that ending has to be so, now that ending has to just pop.
24:23 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem with the long setup is that it gives you enough time to try to figure out because like you're like, all right, I know this is going to end somewhere.
24:31 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you have the audience maybe trying to get ahead of you.
24:34 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason why you want to pepper in with like good jokes is that you got them laughing so they're not trying to figure out the end so that your misdirection or whatever you're trying to do, you're keeping them off the scent by distracting them with laughter.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And this particular comic doesn't do that.
24:49 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So the ending, whether it could be a combination
24:54 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: not big enough for all of that setup or also, yeah, I think we kind of figured out where it was going to go by the time you finally got there.
25:01 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Because so this is an interesting analogy for me because I think that there's a fundamental difference between the famous stand-up comic and the person that you you're meeting in the room for the first time.
25:14 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like if you have a Netflix special, you probably have a room together of people who have heard of you
25:22 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:22 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And they like your jokes.
25:24 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They like your style of humor.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got them in the room.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Built in benefit of the doubt.
25:29 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
25:30 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you can do you could do a seven minute setup for that kind of thing.
25:36 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's something, there's there's something analogous here with
25:40 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_00]: a comedic actor, where you might give that person the benefit of the doubt, because you just think their face is funny, or you think their deliveries funny, we were just talking about Will Ferrell.
25:54 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you say Ferrell or Ferrell?
25:57 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you say Steve Correll or Steve Correll?
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I say any of that right?
26:03 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you said him right as it, yeah, you gave me two options for both and you were right on one of those on each.
26:10 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
26:12 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching Will Ferrell, you're like, I know that he's the funniest person alive.
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't done anything funny yet, but I can't wait to see what he does.
26:24 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the suspense is almost like when is he going to, you know, be the funniest person alive.
26:31 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's turned into a couple dead movies over the years.
26:35 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you know, I don't know if like, I don't know if this works with Kevin Hart, but Kevin Hart can has done stuff that's really funny, but I feel like about 70% of what Kevin Hart does now is not funny, and so he's kind of lost that, that benefit of the doubt, yeah, yeah, so this movie has a lot of funny actors, like I love a lot of these actors, this movie is full of scene Steelers.
27:02 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's full of people who could just, I mean, you put them in the hands of Christopher Guest and they would just be the funniest people on you ever seen.
27:11 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I kept on waiting for this movie to be funny, and I felt like, no, you found kind of one style of joke and now you're just going to tell that particular joke over and over and over.
27:26 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So this doesn't really get ramped up until Tim Curry does the frenetic ending.
27:31 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
27:31 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that like there's elements of this movie that are like, like, oh, you should do more of this like when they started getting kind of non plus about finding a corpse like I liked that.
27:43 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was funny like that was a like when they said it like everything was gasp into like he just kind of is the point where they're like, yep, yeah, if that's dead and they just kind of move on and I thought like that was like a funny approach and I'm like, oh, that's a tone shift that I think that the movie thought it was being dark like that the whole time, but it kind of wasn't.
28:01 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when they did that, I'm like, okay, like, I'm all this, I'm all this needs to be.
28:05 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's also a tone shift because it wasn't sexual in the end.
28:08 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: When the singing telegram dies and Tim Curry's like, that's a fourth body.
28:13 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: This is getting serious.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great line.
28:16 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good line because I needed a break from the sexual in you endo.
28:21 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and how many, like, maybe this is a, like, an, not aging, well, kind of thing, but you can only do the homosexual bit a couple times before it just gets really old.
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:33 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that they did the same joke three or four times.
28:37 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
28:38 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, there's no, there's no lack of jokes in this movie.
28:42 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This this this movie is there's there's there's more jokes than laughs.
28:46 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's more that, and I think that's it.
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: There's more jokes and laughs.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the trouble.
28:52 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the movie's not funny enough to be hilarious.
28:56 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not interesting enough to be like a, I wonder who did it because the movie, like there's no point in the movie where I'm like, gee, I wonder who did it?
29:06 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because it doesn't present itself as a way that like, like knives out sets up the whole, the whole sort of premise,
29:14 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I even mentioned to Heather and like knives out and feels like a better like a remake of this movie to some degree where knives out is a great example of a movie with an A level plot.
29:28 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they get paid off at the end where you're trying to figure out like I mean who done it's a puzzle it's a it's a thing to figure out and like that's kind of a fun movie going experience it's a genre in and of itself.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: where you're watching the movie differently, right?
29:43 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we've talked about like different, like how, like sequels are a different, you know, you approach a sequel differently, then maybe you put a regular movie and you almost approach it, you know, kind of subconsciously meta because you're looking at it in a, not just purely as a movie necessarily.
30:01 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the who done it is that way too, like a who done it is, it's like, oh, there's kind of a little riddle I got to figure out as well as being entertained.
30:08 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's, there's, I think there's a bit of pressure on her who done it, especially a comedic who done it because you're like, got to be funny.
30:14 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing about funny, like I just talked about, if you're trying to figure out a mystery and maybe your mystery is not super complex.
30:22 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're funny enough,
30:24 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: then you've got the audience laughing and so maybe they're not catching some of the obvious moments.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And so those clues become actually more tricky just because they've been distracted.
30:34 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this movie, you have a hangover like this.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
30:37 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the movie, because it really, that really is a mystery movie, but you're having enough fun throughout.
30:44 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're getting distracted for these adventures.
30:46 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, and this movie is like, it's contained in this, in this place, there's been a murder going on.
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, then you start finding it.
30:53 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, later when it's like, oh, this was really what happened.
30:56 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And here were the motives.
30:57 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, yeah, but nothing about the movie told me that.
31:00 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just something that was.
31:02 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't something to figure out.
31:03 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just something that is only revealed when it's told.
31:08 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So there weren't no necessarily clues to tell you who really was Mr.
31:12 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Body or this or that.
31:14 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could kind of go back and go, well, I guess it makes sense, but it was also like, but it didn't matter.
31:18 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the stakes weren't high enough.
31:19 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you go, oh, well, now we know why they did it, but really, I guess.
31:25 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was just,
31:27 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's like, the big reveal is the actual plot.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, okay, well, that's fine.
31:33 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was never, I was never going to cheese.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder who flipped that switch.
31:38 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, probably one of them, but like, there's nothing in this movie that would give me a clue right now, which is weird, because that's a name of it, as to who was already doing it.
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when they reveal it, you're like, I would have never seen that.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there was never a logical,
31:50 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: moment where if you rewatch every watch this movie before where I'm like oh yeah I can totally tell what that person did that thing I just didn't do that So it's not designed that way so I think it's a design flaw on on a few levels it's like again in the comedic level you you think the movie's better than it was when Tim Curry is reenacting the movie and he basically said hey here's a funnier version of the movie you just sat through yeah that's right that's right
32:24 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a good hour into this movie when I realized Susan Sarandon was not in it.
32:29 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had to tell her that was Leslie and Warren.
32:32 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, wow Susan Sarandon's great.
32:34 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, that's Leslie and Warren.
32:36 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to do it in a way.
32:36 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not kind of cynics.
32:37 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
32:37 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I totally understand why she would say this.
32:42 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I looked it up.
32:42 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I confirmed it from three sources.
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And I still think it's Susan Sarandon.
32:47 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Leslie and Warren does an amazing Susan Sarandon in this.
32:50 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think part of it is like,
32:52 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Tim Curry, so it's like, you just expecting this.
32:55 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: This has got to be Susan's Randy, because it rock your picture show.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like, well, that's not Michael McKin.
33:00 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very bossed with everybody knows that.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, so I did, he is how I found out.
33:07 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was at meetloaf instead of Martin Moll.
33:10 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I write that, you know, as I'm, as I'm taking notes, I want to make sure I, you know, I detail who the characters are and who played them.
33:22 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I don't like paying Amazon, but it is kind of nice to have the in scene feature.
33:28 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all for me.
33:30 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So I go to the in scene and I just look at the first Susan Sarandon.
33:35 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a rereading and rereading like it's Leslie and Warren and Anagram for Susan Sarandon.
33:44 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: This can't be right and then I I bet I question Amazon.
33:47 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like oh my gosh Amazon got it wrong.
33:51 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Every Amazon Susan Sarandon is Leslie and Warren.
33:55 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And now you're like wait was Leslie and Warren and bolder.
33:59 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I thought, the newlywed scenes and got me again with a doppelganger.
34:05 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there you go.
34:08 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was absolutely, I mean, look, I, I didn't know that Leslie and Warren,
34:17 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: was a person like I'm I'm trying to think of where else I've seen this person.
34:23 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Why does she look so much like Susan Miranda and now that I like see them side by side like I can I could see you know this is this is a poor man's Susan Miranda.
34:32 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about your time.
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you?
34:37 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the word?
34:39 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the greatest what what is the iconic Leslie and Warren film that that's sticking your head.
34:44 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would say clue where she plays Susan
34:51 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh goodness, so, I mean, you're, okay, so let's look at it.
34:56 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that, I created a little mystery for myself because the film was not going to give me a mystery.
35:02 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She was in the movie Life Stinks, Bergler, in every one's top 10,
35:20 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what do you, what do you most think of when I say the name Martin Moe?
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, funny version of my dad.
35:33 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, does he, he doesn't look a little like your dad.
35:37 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:38 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm Mr.
35:38 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Mom.
35:40 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Mr.
35:40 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Mom, okay.
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say like, I feel like he's been in everything.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:46 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, he's not like someone that like sticks out as, oh, I, I loved him in this movie.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just been in everything.
35:56 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of dab any Coleman's.
35:59 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a poor man's
36:14 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: is like kind of shlocky, but like he's just in that, but he'll just show up in things that are like pretty solid and like we show up on television shows a bunch.
36:26 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's just kind of prolifically available.
36:32 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Michael McKeen plays Mr. Green and big reveal.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to spoil clue for you.
36:43 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's your warning.
36:45 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Turns out that he is a heterosexual FBI agent.
36:51 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is the big reveal.
37:01 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess Mal auditioned to be the Mr. Green.
37:07 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So Mal was going to be the closeted heterosexual, which is crazy, because Amon, Mal is the perfect kernel mustard.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was thinking, like, is this movie a little bit?
37:20 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I kind of liked Michael McKean until he went dragnet on me.
37:29 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then as soon as he pulls out the gun, it just, it just felt like, oh, gosh, this is why you've never been in an action movie.
37:36 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't do this.
37:39 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess not.
37:40 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so I mean, he's, of course, Lenny from Lenny and Squiggy, which is, that's right.
37:47 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I look, he's a comedic actor.
37:50 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was great in better call Saul, right?
37:52 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
37:53 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing in better call Saul.
37:55 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, that's like, that's kind of a transcendent performance,
37:59 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was in short circuit too if that helps it does not what I think of Michael McKeen.
38:05 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you know, he he belongs in this movie Clue needs Michael McKeen to be Michael McKeen.
38:13 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What if this entire movie was a Christopher guest joint.
38:17 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been so much better.
38:20 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been because then you can almost treat it like a mockumentary of trying to figure out who did it, right?
38:24 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: and they could, like, little aside from them trying to explain who they think did it.
38:31 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The entire conceded this movie is that all these people are in one spot because they're all being blackmailed.
38:37 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And they all think that if they come to this dinner party, some mysterious person is going to solve their blackmail problem, right?
38:47 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this is not a good conceded for a movie.
38:51 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know you're right.
38:53 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be some other reason why they're there.
38:55 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Christopher Gess is going to come up with a better reason why they're there in the first place.
39:02 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He may not be able to pull off the dog poop a bit as well.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Which might have ruined the movie.
39:12 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so the one other little connection I thought I'd draw out because it's a newlywed season.
39:20 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Tim Curry was in home alone too.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You're who else was in home alone too?
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You're who else was in home alone too?
39:28 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: A colleague Alka.
39:30 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You're who else was in home alone too?
39:32 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Catherine O'erah.
39:35 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Bobby Banks.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
39:38 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Bobby Banks?
39:41 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess he plays some game show host in home alone too.
39:45 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't play Bobby Banks.
39:48 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not really watch I did not wear watch home alone too, but when I was going down the rabbit trail, he is a credited actor.
40:00 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:00 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's a he's because he's the game show of a host called like Bing Bing Bong.
40:11 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you banks found his way into the newlywed season.
40:15 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I let that that made me very happy right on.
40:18 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I laughed at long story short twice, yeah, yeah, I laughed at that.
40:24 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I laughed at the, this is getting serious.
40:26 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I even, I mean, as dumb as it was, I mean, the ending was not amazing, but like, it was just so stupid to see Michael McCain, and I'm going to go home and sleep with my wife.
40:37 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was, that was the kind of the, the reveal that he was undercover or whatever.
40:43 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought was just
40:47 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think at that point I was just happy it was over.
40:52 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the point, I think as soon as they said, that's how it could have happened, how they went in sort of cleaning the house.
40:57 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You're an adventurous eater.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you eat monkey brains?
41:01 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I've eaten brains though, I've eaten cow brains.
41:05 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that doesn't count.
41:09 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's why I said I haven't, but I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I just look the idea of a monkey brain, you feel it's cursed, I feel like it's sort of the height of an exotic food because it's an exotic animal more so than dolphin dick.
41:25 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it really does feel like it's it's really close to cannibalism, you know, right and it's and it's a brain like it's it's the part of the the animal that you'd probably least want to eat.
41:39 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's up there.
41:45 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would do monkey brains just to say that I've done it.
41:49 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
41:50 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:52 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Your body is a temple of doom.
41:58 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a tweaker cliche where a device in this movie that you enjoyed?
42:03 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean those are two separate questions.
42:07 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a, is there a tweet that would make or do you want me to say a cliche?
42:10 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a cliche device or a trope that you enjoyed in this movie?
42:16 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I like, I like secret passageways.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Secret passageways are really good.
42:21 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I like Christopher Lloyd as a professor.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:25 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I like to, I like to think of him as sort of a disgraced scientist of a kind.
42:31 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
42:31 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
42:32 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you could put him in that period piece, even all the better, right?
42:37 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I like a cameo from someone I wouldn't expect in a movie who comes in for one scene and just dies right away.
42:46 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The, the member of the gogos.
42:48 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Jane weirden weirden weirden yeah weirden yeah Jane weirden from the gogos like I wouldn't ever thought like you know what this what this moving means is the basis from the the gogos yeah briefly very briefly but I enjoyed the same yeah if we have to have Howard
43:12 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I also liked it when he, he twirl his gun.
43:14 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was such a... You know that was an ad lib because he clearly didn't know how to do it very well.
43:20 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It really looked like, like, number one, I'm pretty sure that's a toy gun.
43:27 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, there's no way anyone's doing that if it's not a prop gun.
43:31 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then secondly, like, this is the first time he's held the prop gun.
43:35 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
43:36 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just kept it in.
43:37 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it's one of those things too, it's like it's a bold move to twirl the gun after not shooting it.
43:47 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a tweak you'd make this movie do improve it I mean I would I would have probably just made the whole movie the recap
43:58 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to come to Tim Curry and I felt like he was very Tim Curry in this movie.
44:03 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's, I don't feel like this has a casting, I mean, of course, I would have rather had Susan Sarandon, but I don't think this is really a casting issue.
44:13 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: This movie, I think you'd need, you need a,
44:19 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You need a better writer's room, and you need like 14 different kinds of jokes.
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I got the same joke over.
44:27 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Feel like I feel like every single person was sort of underutilized.
44:32 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I just learned recently like in his lifetime that Rodney Dangerfield came up with like 20 jokes.
44:39 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And you think about like Rodney Dangerfield, his jokes are so quick.
44:43 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they're very few jokes that he tells that aren't like 15 seconds long.
44:49 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, put a boom, put a bit of boom, boom, boom.
44:53 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if that's your, if that's your act, you need a lot of these things, right?
44:59 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like this movie was a little bit like that.
45:02 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it needed to decide, are we gonna be a laugh a minute or are we gonna be like actually constructing a mystery that people are gonna be intrigued in.
45:11 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And since it didn't do either,
45:14 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: it it it feels way longer than it's runtime right like it's an hour thirty seven and and it uh i think there was like maybe eleven minutes left in the movie and i was like how long is that much how much is left i'm like we we haven't even watched an hour and a half because because there's just a lot not happening but there's but they're constantly moving
45:35 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_00]: This, you need an A-plot that I care about or you need better jokes.
45:40 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:42 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if that's a tweak that's more like a structural issue.
45:46 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what if they were all just like, like they all just got really drunk.
45:50 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they wake up.
45:51 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They all kind of come to and find somebody dead.
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're trying to solve who did it.
45:57 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they're coming through like a fog.
46:00 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of even having like,
46:01 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So then you almost treat it like the game, like the motive is doesn't matter because it could have been done in a variety of way for any variety of reasons, especially if they were sort of under the influence, and it could have been an accident even, but we got to figure out who did it and why, and so you're searching the house together to find out the clues, because that's a thing, it's not a clue.
46:25 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Is leaving a real person?
46:27 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, like when I saw that in the credits, I thought for sure.
46:31 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not who I thought it was going to be for sure.
46:34 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's real.
46:36 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that somehow he's sort of an AI construct that was projected back to 1985.
46:45 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So leaving is a frontman of the Los Angeles-based hardcore punk band fear.
46:54 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's exciting.
46:56 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so there's, there's two different musical connects in this movie.
47:03 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:03 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
47:05 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
47:05 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was just like criticizing the writing this movie.
47:08 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan Lynn, probably best known for my cousin, Vizzi Vinny, which we both really liked, right?
47:15 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And then John Landis, like John Landis is, he's done a lot of good work.
47:24 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really like to American where we're all from London.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I don't know.
47:31 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, is this movie better?
47:33 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We're sir on par with a Ron Howard movie.
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I give it a Howard minus five.
47:40 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I would have loved to see Howard with this group of, he'd get, I think he'd get so much out of these folks.
47:50 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he would have put so much more emphasis on an A plot.
47:55 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You can count on an A-plot in a Ron Howard movie and what's great about this cast is that because there's not like one like stand out star he could really do a lot with it because like he I think some of his ensemble workers is some of the best so yeah I'm going to say Howard my seven with this one almost one seven just if it had it was a little bit raw if it was a little bit more crunchy.
48:26 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Steve, is there a half-the-battle on the groin moment in this film?
48:30 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It don't, don't open your mail.
48:38 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're being blackmail, just stop opening mail.
48:41 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can't get blackmail if you don't look at the mail.
48:56 --> 48:59 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
49:54 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, and a cocoon of horror.