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00:19 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Properly Hower, a podcast that reviews classic films and other folk fiction.
00:25 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we take a look at the 2014 sci-fi action movie Edge of Tomorrow, starring Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt, Edge of Tomorrow pits our heroes against alien invaders and the monotony of a daily grind.
00:38 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Think Terminator 2, Groundhog Day.
00:41 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_00]: With me to discuss this as well is as Dr. Anthony
00:50 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_03]: with Groundhog's Day.
00:56 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, that's a great question, I mean, if this movie comes before Groundhog's Day, do we appreciate Groundhog Day as much?
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_03]: probably not.
01:07 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Although I will say this, this movie feels like a more traditional movie.
01:12 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you were going to put it on paper and be like, guys basically live in a video game and he saves the world and he gets the girl.
01:20 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
01:21 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:21 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes from salesmen to super soldier and it's Tom Cruise.
01:26 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what's not to like?
01:27 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Then you tell me at Groundhog's Day is it's like, well, he's a weatherman, but he becomes a better weatherman.
01:33 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he's a weatherman who's kind of an asshole and then he becomes like acceptably creepy.
01:44 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_03]: He becomes a stalker, multi-decade, maybe even hundred-year stalker of a woman who has no business falling in love with him.
01:54 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think on paper, this movie is just a better Hollywood production, you know, it's an action flick, it's it's generally funny at times this movie and yet Groundhog Day is just it's the superior movie.
02:09 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Now this movie, well, I mean, I mean, this requires this movie requires, I mean, this movie is an action movie that is sort of enhanced by the the time repetition whereas
02:22 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Groundhog Day, the time repetition is he uses it to his advantage, but he almost is just gets to a point where it's like becomes this zen life and so it's it's much more of it instead of it like trying to be like I'm trying to call or save the world he's just he's just kind of it's it's enduring.
02:42 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_03]: You did get a bit of that in this film, you know, you get his sort of movement through time, like you, like Bill Murray's movement through time.
02:50 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_03]: He sort of goes through several stages of character development.
02:55 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And Tom Cruise does do that a bit.
02:57 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_03]: The difference here is that you have this third act where he's lost to super power, and so the stakes immediately are raised.
03:07 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_03]: and then it should sort of increase your interest in what's going to happen, but it's a third active of an action film.
03:17 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So you kind of know he's going to save the world.
03:19 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not really surprised by it.
03:22 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And even though it should raise the stakes, I kind of felt like this movie feels clunky at the beginning and clunky at the end and has really nice middle that I enjoy
03:35 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_03]: right did you what did you know about this did you know that it was going to be a time reset movie no you did not all right so you got twenty four minutes in in this movie before the first time reset and that was not spoiled for you no okay so when that when that happens what what's your
04:07 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I was still kind of confused as to why this was happening to him in the first place so then I'm like, well, what else is going on here like I thought maybe I didn't necessarily see the time jump as part of it, you know initially and then so it's like it's I think it's an effective thing like I mean,
04:26 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you know like did you know it was a time jump of right away or you're just like what's going on and it took took the second time jump to make the when I first watch this I was not prepared for it and then as soon as it happened I thought oh I'm all in this is fantastic.
04:40 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I you know this is going to this is going to be a lot of fun and it's a sci-fi concept I haven't seen a bunch and so it feels to me like.
04:48 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
05:16 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... lost a lot of money is it's sort of a uh... historically troubled production think that they were like twenty different versions of the script that was floating around but that you know this movie is over ten years old now and i would have thought that it would have been spoiled for you i guess not no it because it just sort of came out and uh... it looked as a massive chunk of tom cruise
05:46 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm you didn't miss much well that's funny because like I don't just like Tom Cruise nearly as much as you do
05:55 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And which isn't just in how many movies you recommend by Tom Cruise.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's true.
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like I don't think you know what like and dislike means.
06:04 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I rewatch this week.
06:05 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I rewatch wore the worlds because I thought how different is this than it actually than wore the world.
06:12 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_03]: When Tom Cruise is when he's on, he's really enjoyable to watch.
06:18 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_03]: He has a very specific lane that I enjoy.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Most of the time, Tom Cruise feels redundant.
06:25 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I this movie helped me, I'm like, yeah, he's pretty charming.
06:31 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_03]: There was a moment in this film where he's like on a motorcycle and you can tell it's him on the motorcycle and he's just riding a motorcycle into how to go to the bar and I was thinking, he's just really cool.
06:42 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a cool guy.
06:45 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, like I mean, just there's an app, it almost feels like the movie just took a break to just say
06:55 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's obviously, you know, batshit crazy.
06:59 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And
07:01 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: and probably a problematic person to be around and probably a guy you don't want to get caught in an elevator with.
07:06 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, unless you're trapped and then he could probably get you out.
07:10 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but if you need someone to give you right on this motorcycle, I would not mind sitting behind Tom Cruise and just putting my arms around hands in his leather jacket pocket, you know?
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Just you just cuddling the back of his.
07:24 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you just want to be, you're the Kelly McGillison, this particular situation.
07:27 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Just kind of in the back of his neck, you know, not even like really watching the road, just closing my eyes and smelling them.
07:35 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds really nice.
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't need him to save your life.
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You just wanted to take your breath away.
07:40 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And then there are other times like that guy is freaking bizarre.
07:47 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Like keep me away from him at all times.
07:52 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's funny because like I,
07:54 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I said, there's just a big chunk of like I felt like Tom Cruise movies were coming out and in my mind, I'm like, they're probably just as good as each other, which means if you see one, you're probably fine, and even if they're different movies altogether, right?
08:08 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It just kind of, Tom Cruise almost became a genre and, and this one, like I'm watching do a thing and I'm like, okay, I was skeptical, I mean, I knew you liked it and so, and I'm like,
08:23 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, guess it's going to, and then like it becomes a shoot him up, alien thing, like kind of out the gate, but then when the time jump happens, I was like, oh, this could be clever.
08:33 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it is.
08:34 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is clever for a long time.
08:36 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Tom Cruise actually proves to be like, feels like the right guy in this because I wouldn't say it's off tight for him, but there is an element of like watching him go from
08:50 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: super hero sort of is like kind of mirrors his his whole career.
08:56 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_03]: It really does feel like he's Jerry McGuire and by the end he's Ethan Hunt.
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or you can even like you got like yeah, he goes like risky business.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
09:08 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like there's just like so it's when you look at his yeah his his trajectory.
09:12 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I was thinking about that like when he goes there's moments where he's sitting there and like he's being kind of charming.
09:18 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: um, in the midst of all this battle, uh, because I, to me, that's always the, the trick is how do you, how do you make a movie like this?
09:26 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then still, like, if you're going to use a Tom Cruz, you got to have some sort of opportunity to, to have him Tom Cruz.
09:33 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And that isn't just jumping on airplanes.
09:35 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's got to be, he's got to be a little, um, little, little, little smart.
09:40 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_03]: There's got to be, uh, he also does manic really well.
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He does do manic very well.
09:46 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And you need, you need someone with kind of like a salesman quality, you know, I think originally they were thinking Brad Pitt for this, but I think Brad Pitt has never come across a salesman to me, right, whereas you know, you do have that Jerry McGuire quality to cruise.
10:04 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Which he kind of, it feels like his sort of real life media personality.
10:10 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, whenever he's sort of doing the press junkets, it does feel like I would buy anything from that guy, but I kind of know that he's full of bullshit, you know, so he does have that quality to him.
10:23 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he can do manic really well, like he can do an incredulous and a little bit like so invested, so excited, so sure of himself, that he just comes off as crazy.
10:39 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:39 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think they play that really well and they jump cut to him with duct tape over his mouth.
10:44 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was really right.
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That really really well done.
10:47 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the director, I'd mostly like what he does.
10:51 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Doug Lyman.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mostly enjoy stuff.
10:54 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Doug Lyman was the producer on the born film, except for the born legacy.
11:03 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And he directed the born identity of the initial one, yeah.
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
11:08 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Historically, he's been a problem on a few things.
11:11 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not the most well-liked guy in Hollywood.
11:15 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_03]: This movie is based on a Japanese graphic novel called All You Need Is Kill, and originally this movie had an alternate ending where everyone dies.
11:30 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And you can kind of do a sliding doors with this movie where it's Brad Pitt and everyone dies in the end and maybe it's a more beloved movie because of that but I was going to say this is this movie better with Nick Cage oh probably not I'm going to say this I don't know because I think then it becomes all manic
11:54 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he can do he definitely he can do manic well.
11:57 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_03]: He can do salesman pretty well.
12:00 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_03]: He can also do action here.
12:02 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is right right in and I mean, his is in in this he's major cage in this movie.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That's that's cruiser's name in the movie.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe I was thinking cage because of that.
12:13 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_03]: But why isn't this a cage movie?
12:15 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is a perfect cage in a cage movie.
12:19 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that I suppose.
12:22 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I just think Tom Cruise is just he's a bigger star and I mean maybe he's certainly a bigger star and you think that this the production so troubled that you kind of need Tom Cruise to see it through maybe it just gets junked if it's not Tom Cruise.
12:38 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a little bit about him, like Ernest Tom Cruise kind of takes me out and you need him to be Ernest at the one point.
12:49 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_03]: At a certain point in the movie, you kind of need him to do the Bill Murray thing where he's staring longingly at Andy McDowell and knowing with for Lauren that they will never be together, but he'll be
13:02 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, force for eternity to stare at her and you kind of need a moment like that and, you know, cruise will cruise definitely gives you that, but his lawnmower just doesn't have that speed.
13:14 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: That that's my sense.
13:16 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, yeah.
13:17 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the movie doesn't spend a ton of time doing the forelaw and thing which, I mean, it takes, it has its moments and now almost wonder if, if for my
13:28 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: There could have been maybe a couple less action sequences and a couple more of those types of sequences.
13:34 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, when he's when he does the Make starts doing the mission, you know, without her.
13:40 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's that's what you need time.
13:44 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all right.
13:45 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I could see that.
13:47 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see that because he does do the clenched job.
13:51 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, uh, I'm just going to do the do this right thing and hope works.
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, kind of thing.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he does that pretty well.
14:00 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about the editing of this movie and I think the editing in the middle is really kind of what I'm talking about.
14:09 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this movie is really smart and I think it has a really great editing room.
14:15 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I should probably know who did the cutting.
14:18 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey folks, just resetting the day here to call out Laura Jennings and James Herbert, who are listed as editors of this movie.
14:28 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm just finding out now, they actually want awards for their editing in this movie.
14:34 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So good job, guys.
14:35 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You get the properly high word thumbs up 12 years after the fact.
14:41 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_03]: By 24 minutes in, we get our first reset.
14:44 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you kind of realize, okay, this is this movie has another level to it.
14:52 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's about 30 minutes before you get the second reset and then about minute thirty three you get immediate resets where you like he's not waking up You know on the duffel bags you don't have to see bill packs then you don't have to have to hear him being called a maggot right it really starts to feel like a video game reset Right and then there are other times where they where they do
15:16 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: fire at home and they do that rapid fire.
15:18 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's rapid fire just enough to remind you that he's lived a whole day, but it doesn't linger too long.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
15:26 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You get these little tidbits a billpaxed in doing his little spiel just to kind of remind you that he's not beginning right where he left off.
15:38 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_03]: He has to go through this whole process again in order to get to the level
15:45 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And then anybody that's got any video game experience knows the frustration exactly exactly.
15:52 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And so if you do it too much, if you do too much of the slow build reset, you kind of lose the audience, but if it's just all rapid fire rapid fire rapid fire, you kind of lose track of the stakes of what he's going through.
16:09 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And the middle of this movie is just cut really well.
16:13 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And it gives you nice little breaks, you know, like the scene where he goes to the bar, the scene where, the scene in the, the farmhouse or the barnor, whatever, where you kind of realize that he's in love with her, you've got these nice, little, it almost allows the audience to reset.
16:32 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, before it jumps to the frenetic pace again, just a masterfully edited movie in the middle.
16:39 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the beginning is a problem in the end is a problem.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But the sweet spot of this movie is just, it's really well done.
16:47 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's so needed, right?
16:49 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, I mean, overall, and that's the thing because that's the
16:58 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: but aspect of the plot, it's required, right?
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the only way you, I mean, it's one day.
17:04 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So the only way that you can get to your resolution is to just keep reliving that day and perfecting it.
17:10 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of, I mean, it's a fascinating concept.
17:16 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that, like you said, middle is so strong.
17:21 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So the question I have for you is the middle is so strong that the beginning and end feel clunky by comparison or they just actual clunky.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: action film, I guess.
17:31 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, if you do any research on the production of this movie, Lyman didn't really have the third act nailed down.
17:39 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was just rewriting and rewriting and rewriting.
17:42 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And so they would do like a full day that he would just do a full reset on.
17:47 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So they were actually living through a tomorrow.
17:50 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_03]: The actors were living through it to tomorrow as they were making the film.
17:55 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, he'd be like, no, wipe everything from yesterday's shoot.
17:58 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We're starting over.
17:59 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Here are your new lines.
18:02 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was kind of a problem.
18:04 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard for me to know how to answer your question because the third acts of action films usually lose me anyway.
18:14 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
18:15 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And let me give you an example of something that really works well in this movie.
18:20 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So when they decide to go to White Hall,
18:25 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_03]: They leave the battlefield behind and they go to see the, you know, the, the, the general played by, uh, Brendan Gleason.
18:35 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And now they're using the same kind of video game logic, just to get into this government building.
18:43 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that that's really smart.
18:45 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really smart to kind of put a pause
18:53 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I really like that reset and it just took a different tone.
19:00 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think the final scene in the Louvre, I'm not sure what's happening, right?
19:08 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_03]: You lose kind of your spatial awareness of where everyone is located.
19:14 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels very, you know, everything goes CGI on you.
19:19 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:21 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
19:23 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of feels, it does feel a little bit like, uh, you know, the end of a super man movie or something.
19:29 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:29 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And it does.
19:30 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And there is a sort of a fundamental problem in the 9th of Sam, what they're doing.
19:35 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, well, this is it.
19:36 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is your, he doesn't get an other opportunity.
19:38 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like, you know, balls the wall, you know, winner bust, but at the same time, I, you've just showed me a movie where he dies pretty easy.
19:49 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He dies because he, he springs his ankle and she just shoots him in the right right so like his home the whole movie is just him just being in situations where he can't stop dying whether it's he's getting injured and has to put down and so that's and that's fine because I can but it's like so now it's like oh well you can fall from great heights and hit a car and he can you know get pummeled and blood all this stuff and you're like or I mean
20:17 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I've just been living with this guy.
20:19 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You've done a whole movie about this guy dying and now he can't.
20:25 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's right as soon as the movie needs him to survive a car through a brick wall he can survive that pretty exactly.
20:33 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's to me that was maybe the parts where I started to sort of check out and go okay well here we go now it's back to just being a action film
20:44 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: and all the tropes are just going to just do what they're supposed to, to keep them alive and and that part That part sort of took me out and got me kind of like not as interested.
20:57 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of where I would see what the clunkiness is and because it is like you If you made different choices where he's just avoiding like even just you can even make it almost like comically getting lucky out of these like
21:11 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's situations because of what you just put us through.
21:14 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So then you kind of you flip it the other way.
21:17 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So that he's not going to be hurt.
21:19 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So that, you know, and that and that's and then when he gets punctured that would be like that would have a little bit more oomph to it because he's like, wow, he's just making his way through, you know, so if there was a certain ease to it and then all of a sudden right at the very end.
21:36 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets killed, you're just like, oh, you know, like that, because that feels so much more video gaming, like, you know what I mean?
21:41 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that could have been that there's like my tweak.
21:47 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And like I would have tweaked that experience.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also would have, I would have killed him.
21:51 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think he has to die.
21:52 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's all thing.
21:55 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what Brendan talked about the beginning of the movie.
22:06 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know like what what's his what's his idea his ideas to I saw this guy on TV Who's selling the war?
22:16 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me put him on the front line and then immediately when Tom Cruise is like that's not what I do dude I I have no training as a soldier He's like well you're arrested and now you're you're knocked down from major to private And now you got to get called maggot 400 times
22:36 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't understand like there's there no other way to get him there did Donald Trump appoint all of these military leaders
22:45 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's like, yeah, because that was the part like I watched that a couple times and I'm like, All right, I guess that's what's happening.
22:53 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then then you go to the time jumps and you're like, Oh, okay, well, I guess this is what the movie's doing and I kind of come up with a better reason why he gets bumped down.
23:02 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's like outwardly disrespectful about something else,
23:06 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Or to have Brendan Gleason tells his secretary or something, I always hated that guy and I wanted any, you know, I was looking for any reason to actually show him what real warfare is like or something like that.
23:20 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is you could, you could just have them not be that.
23:23 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There's another, there's like he can just draft it or something.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
23:27 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's Or he gets thrown into it.
23:30 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I got it.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a mix up.
23:33 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
23:34 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about Bill Paxton.
23:36 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about Bill Paxton.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a couple things about this movie that
23:42 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_03]: are helped by sort of a gesture toward self-awareness, like the fact that Emily Blunt, her first name is Rita.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_03]: This is exactly Andy McDowell's first name and Grandhog Day.
23:55 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, alright.
23:56 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, it feels very aliens, you know, you got this Hodgepodge group of fighters, you know, they're from different parts of the planet and then you got Bill Pactin, right?
24:09 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, I'm glad that they didn't get someone that's like Bill Pactin, if that's really smart to actually bring in Bill Pactin to do this thing.
24:18 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, of course, the aliens homage because the exoskeleton thing kind of reminds you of
24:26 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
24:27 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So you got that part of it.
24:29 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're kind of mixing this thing with sort of World War II history.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, yeah, why not just do a direct Normandy homage.
24:39 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's actually the beaches of France that you're going going for.
24:43 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
24:44 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And in all of these ways, it feels like you could view these, this is sort of like this is a bad knockoff of a better things.
24:52 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_03]: But I always felt like, oh, this is kind of fun.
24:54 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of fun that they know that they're ripping off alien here.
24:58 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_03]: They know that they're ripping off groundhog day here.
25:00 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:01 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And it because they're sort of this overarching video game feel like that's kind of how video games work.
25:06 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:06 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_00]: They sort of redo or tweak these types of things.
25:11 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So that I think there is a, and you know, like even when you go,
25:17 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: bring in Glacin instead of going to battle and they take a change.
25:20 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a free room in world in a video game, right?
25:23 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so there's, oh, well, I guess I can't get past this level.
25:25 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have to go in here and get this thing or you could just go explore.
25:29 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I wonder what kind of pubs there are near the tower of London.
25:33 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
25:33 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:34 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
25:34 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:34 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So there is, there's a really, that's a kind of a cool element.
25:38 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, as it's, and if you play video games, you know how like, oh my gosh, it's so frustrating.
25:44 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they had the plan and then I get just got run over.
25:46 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: have to do it all over again.
25:50 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a trope of cliche or device that you liked in this movie?
25:55 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because like the science fiction part of it or at least the action part of it was sort of my least least in like it is the least interesting part of it I guess for me.
26:08 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it the CGI spaghetti monsters?
26:17 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: vibes, you know, like, it was kind of hard to look at and to watch, but like, I kind of like that it felt a little acclaimationy.
26:26 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I wasn't taken out by the CGI and tell the very end, but it would continue.
26:31 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But I particularly liked when you get when you one guy navigating a whole bunch of chaos,
26:39 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just I like when a movie does that where there's just so much going on and against all odds you're just like you just focused on one guy watching things just fall down around I don't just something about those types of scenes that.
26:52 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I tend to enjoy, and then it's made even better as he starts perfecting it, or especially when he's not perfect, perfecting it yet.
27:03 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Like every time gets a little farther, so it's like, again, I actually did enjoy revisiting that scene.
27:10 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like I said, it's a kind of style.
27:13 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy in action films, but I also take to keep doing it a little bit differently was even more entertaining to me.
27:21 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_03]: like a group of um soldiers on their way to battle in a helicopter.
27:27 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_03]: This is like galos humor.
27:29 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of usually you got one guy who's like, he's so crazy.
27:33 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He's looking forward to it.
27:34 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And another guy who's like pretty solemn and another guy who's just like making jokes.
27:39 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_03]: that I like and I like it when in a futuristic movie with soldiers when they're clearly all from different parts of the world.
27:50 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like so you got build packed in.
27:54 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_03]: He's from Kentucky.
27:55 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a squadron in London for some reason.
27:59 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_03]: and most of his squadron is British, you know, and you got one Australian guy who's a scientist, like, the futuristic movies, it's like the borders don't matter anymore.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
28:12 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very kind of action sci-fi trope.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Emily Blunt.
28:17 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm usually a fan.
28:19 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm usually a big fan.
28:21 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your history?
28:23 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your feeling about Emily Blunt?
28:27 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: finder enjoyable.
28:29 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I've seen a ton of things, but I feel like I've seen plenty to see her in different types of roles.
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever see Sikario?
28:41 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
28:42 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Sikario is... Well, she's in Sikario.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That's simple.
28:50 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It's maybe like the darkest, war-on-drugs movie I've ever seen.
28:55 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_03]: She's impossibly beautiful and you'd think, well, she's just not going to work as an FBI agent in this film, because FBI agents don't look like Emily Blunt.
29:06 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_03]: But for whatever reason she pulls it off, and it's very, very gritty and really worth a watch.
29:15 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think because I saw her early on in Cicario, I probably shaped my opinion of her.
29:22 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm usually a fan of what she does.
29:25 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think she's funny.
29:26 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she has a little gravitas on screen as well.
29:29 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she definitely got range, so I like that.
29:35 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_03]: originally Jeremy Piven was attached to this film and I think there was actually scenes with Jeremy Piven in the film as the Emily Blunrull I don't know but I kind of feel like this film maybe needed Jeremy Piven I don't know why as soon as I found that I was like, oh bummer, he would have been great
30:00 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_00]: What does, I mean, I can't even think of what he would do.
30:03 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's like some character that they just wrote out of the film.
30:07 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_03]: They just, it was like they were cutting storylines because, you know, they were writing as they were filming and I guess his storyline just got cut right out.
30:20 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Two, now one, but two, game of thrones actors in this film, did you recognize either?
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't think so.
30:32 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
30:33 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Dr. Carter, who's the disgraced scientist, could go and just give me a disgraced scientist every time I love it.
30:42 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's the disgraced scientist who's figured out the the technology that's going to allow them to tap into the the alpha or whatever or the omega.
30:53 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
30:54 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go.
30:56 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, see here played by Noah Taylor.
30:58 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_03]: He was the dude in Game of Thrones who cut off Jamie Lannister's hand.
31:04 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha name is lock in the show and then there's this soldier he puts on the exoskeleton in the buff Oh, yeah, yeah, he plays Serdontos who helps Sansa get out of King's Landing and then he gets his crossbow in the face by a little finger Okay, I thought it was nice.
31:27 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought there was a it's kind of cool to revisit a couple Game of Thrones characters
31:34 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, one other thing that I like, you know, if you got this big table that has the holographic images, so you can kind of like do the exposition to explain the situation.
31:45 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
31:46 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_03]: First off, terrific presentation.
31:49 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
31:49 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was terrific.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a really funny scene.
31:52 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought, okay, I'm really glad they did that because there's a lot of his sort of professional training
32:04 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I got what you've done with PowerPoint is just amazing.
32:10 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then it is good too, because I don't add a little a little levity, which you need and then that does give
32:17 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it shows off Cruz's comedy chops a little bit.
32:21 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
32:21 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_03]: See, is this movie better worse or in part with a Ron Howard?
32:25 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
32:26 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that I was sort of chewing on because it's that middle, you know, the middle is so good.
32:33 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_03]: The middle is memorable, and it almost makes you forget that the movie has problems, right?
32:39 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I'm thinking like maybe, maybe a Ron Howard fixes the problems, but maybe you sacrifice some of that middle.
32:47 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll say this, then maybe it's not as good, you know, because it's like, okay, well, now it's just, I don't know, the set was such a such chaos that you bring me in steady hand, Rod Howard, I think maybe you, you help the third act problem, no, I don't think he's going on set if the third act isn't finished.
33:10 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So you want him to come in and do what he did to solo.
33:17 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're like so.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_03]: You're, I like the middle.
33:24 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:24 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I really like the middle of solo.
33:26 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I like the chewy and on hanging out.
33:29 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Getting to know each other part of solo.
33:32 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I think it's probably probably Howard.
33:39 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to go maybe Howard minus one because I do think that.
33:42 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: that I want them to fix the the problems.
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense.
33:48 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely a defensible rating.
33:51 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I was also teetering not properly how because like I said, there's a part where you're like, okay, what's the trade off, you know?
33:59 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve, is there a one-to-grown half-the-battle moment in this movie?
34:04 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, stay safe out there.
34:07 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Never spraying your ankle around, I don't know if you can see it.
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, yeah.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
34:12 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_03]: How many first dates do you think she's been on where someone like scraped their elbow?
34:17 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Boom.
35:22 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on!