David, Jean, and Bryan continue their weekly coverage of Star Wars: Maul - Shadow Lord with a pair of episodes that push the series into its darkest territory yet. The conversation explores Riley's capture and interrogation by the 11th Brother, the team's growing suspicion that Riley has been compromised, and the broader question of whether Devon can straddle the line between light and dark without falling to either side. Two Boots' arc takes center stage as the droid's loss of identity sparks a reckoning with what the Empire truly represents, leading to one of the most layered character turns of the season. Elysia sends in fresh takes, a listener email response connecting Dathomir witchcraft to Marvel's Witches' Road, and a lore bomb on Crimson Dawn. The team digs deep into Maul's harrowing vision sequence in episode eight, what his suffering reveals about the cost of the dark side, and how his story connects to the broader question of what the Jedi must become in order to survive a post-Order 66 galaxy.
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00:18 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the lower homes where your guides to the underbelly of the empire.
00:21 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm David.
00:22 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is our coverage of episodes seven and eight for the new Star Wars animated feature mall shadow lord back with me this week.
00:35 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Our Brian and Jean Brian.
00:38 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Did the podcasting bug hit you because you were like raising your hand for some other coverage that we've got coming up like I just thought this was a casual gig and now suddenly you're like oh yeah I'll be I'm on it.
00:49 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I know I hope people aren't sick and made me because I seem to be popping up all over the place.
00:55 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a weed.
00:56 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Just got it, you know.
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny.
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01:02 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's guessing it's good So John good to see you again.
01:06 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_03]: We just sorry each other this weekend That was fun.
01:10 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was fun.
01:10 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a fun.
01:11 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a fun and yeah, yeah, talk about weeds both of our children are Growing like me I need to put a yeah, I can't even yeah
01:25 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, at least your guys' new place, you've got all eyes on amenities and facilities and stuff like that, so that's a lot of stuff.
01:30 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that's a good thing, but still, it's like slow down, please.
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_03]: No, they can't do that.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know.
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02:47 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_03]: We're seven and eight into this things.
02:49 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to go over the Star Wars, you know, level setting for like what we cover, what we don't cover.
02:56 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a lot of people with a lot of different experience in this,
03:03 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That said, we are going to roll into seven and eight to our fresh takes.
03:11 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, why don't we start with you this week?
03:13 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: What are you thinking about these pair of episodes?
03:19 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, uh, uh,
03:24 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: we might have just, you know, I'm speechless.
03:26 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is.
03:29 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
03:29 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the first things I had the close captioning on for both of these episodes, which was helpful because I found
03:42 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, oh, well, this is an idea that I've been kicking around and I'm going to have a blog post.
03:48 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I didn't post it because I had to revise it.
03:50 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to wait to the end of the show and write about the Imperial Authority and policing.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: But here they are.
04:00 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They've taken over the city, here the IIA book column.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And they control the curfew.
04:08 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They've locked down the city, transportation, and they effectively taken over the police force for the most part, at least regarding hunting down these fugitives.
04:20 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was a kind of interesting phrase that we're gonna definitely keep an eye on.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_02]: overall as well.
04:28 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: We have the visuals again are just just stunning.
04:32 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like I have all I've just stopped putting that in my notes because I know.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like what do you know?
04:37 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I have some examples like the light in the train tunnel.
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Beaming up into their face.
04:46 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Married.
04:47 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Married on top of the building.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The city scape.
04:51 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I am Batman.
04:52 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm Batman.
04:54 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was, I happened to catch Merrick's feet when he was in the wind, and they devised a little like being pushed back.
05:05 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, his feet was moving, pushing back.
05:07 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like they are really thinking this extremely well.
05:12 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I watched a YouTube video of the New Rockstars breakdown for this episode.
05:17 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_03]: They even talked about when they jumped through the waterfall.
05:20 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_03]: The steam coming off the lights.
05:21 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
05:22 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's another example I caught exactly, and Mals, you know, face, as we face in the puddle, the water just dripping from face, you know, it's just amazing.
05:34 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And because of the animation, I also think the inquisitors are more menacing than it would be, I think, in real life.
05:44 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: In some ways, right, you got this, the crow, you got the face with the red eyes.
05:49 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
05:49 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, just, I don't know.
05:52 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of, I mean, I guess you could go off the charts a little bit
06:03 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_03]: especially the glowing red eyes like they're even or glowy because the animation is a post.
06:08 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it'd be hard it'd be hard and you know horror has done this certainly at the glowing red eyes, but it just I think just not the same when you're dealing with animation.
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
06:21 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then finally, we definitely see Devon in her groove.
06:26 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would like to get some feedback from the both of you.
06:30 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll kind of cover an episode eight, but I'm getting like a soka Clone Wars vibe from her.
06:38 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_02]: She's kind of like settling in.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: She's making wise cracks.
06:43 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_02]: She's very, you know, getting her,
06:48 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_02]: confidence back and using the force, you know, just, you know, it's like, that kind of reminds me of a soka.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but we're just going to come back to that.
06:57 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
06:57 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_03]: And for up until all of the events of this series.
07:04 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Will as Doc he says in the episode, right, you know, I forget what the line is.
07:08 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_03]: But basically, we're trying to remain inconspicuous here and be, you know, chasing around the city in this like vast car is not being inconspicuous and she's like, bro, like we're beyond that.
07:21 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, she has been suppressing herself to keep it, you know, to literally keep her head down, right?
07:30 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And now that she's being exposed to mall and now that they're actually doing Jedi shit, like you, we've got to use our powers here because like we're in it.
07:41 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We're starting to see her open up and stand taller and come out from under the shadow over Master in some ways who just wants to sort of scope in the shadows.
07:59 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's say the least.
08:02 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I think, again, we will harp on the visual aspect of the show, which is just continues to be amazing.
08:13 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_04]: That wouldn't seem that Brian just brought up of more
08:17 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_04]: and the puddle, the reflecting pool, as I thought of it, just so very well done and such a powerful moment for the character.
08:34 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought these two episodes were totally for me about Molly and two boots, just to see
08:44 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_04]: them in this vulnerable element like we have a robot who you know in this universe we know robots you know how emotion right but to see genuine emotion of confusion from two boots over this
09:12 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And just moral character, his own development tonight, a little bit more, it's like each week.
09:19 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_04]: We get a little bit more and more about who he is, in relation to how he was, forming into who he is.
09:33 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Like his past is really...
09:37 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_04]: opening up for me where again, I know the guy, I've watched the guy, he's a villain through and through, but I root for the guy, I just am.
09:53 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_03]: play, how I know how it ends, which is harder in a way that story telling is a little bit better because you better get the tracks to line up.
10:05 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So the drink arc and move smoothly from one story line to the other.
10:08 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_03]: We know where it's going, you don't know how it ends.
10:11 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And to be able to bend that story in and in and into that, well, you know, maybe the storyline is your writing it once to go this direction or that direction, but you've got to have the discipline of
10:21 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_04]: keeping it pointed at that that single point like it's really this is really breathing life into a character with this TV show yeah yeah they've done an extraordinary job at that so these two episodes for me were two boots and more
10:42 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_03]: there's some really dark moments to this too.
10:45 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we have some darkness in some other shows.
10:48 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, they end or there's some stuff.
10:51 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_03]: But then there's some real dark shit content in these two episodes.
10:57 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm loving that and I'm loving that and I'm loving that and I'm meeting an animated series.
11:02 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: especially for all of the other things that they produced for Anna, you know, in the animated series, where we're aimed at a different target demographic, right?
11:15 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And this feels like, oh, this, I'm an adult and I am getting everything out of this, but at the same time,
11:22 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure there are younger audience members who could totally, who are picking up all kinds of stuff on this.
11:28 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
11:28 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
11:28 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, there's a deeper and darker elements that I'm like, oh, this is really some adult stuff going on, like with Riley and some other things.
11:37 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really just loving, this is the best of, this is some of the best Star Wars storytelling that I've
11:46 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I personally am enjoying at a whole new level and then and Jean knows this because she's got an earphone from me in the past about like with rebels and gunwares and stuff just the cheap use of recycling plot lines and or you know story story lines and plot mechanics.
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_03]: and sound effects and stuff.
12:10 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_03]: But this one, they were throwing in some 77 stuff in there with a rescue, like I'm here to rescue you, or they were throwing in some indoor stuff for two boots doing his best K2SO impressions.
12:22 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, this is actually working for me.
12:25 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_03]: They're recycling these, I don't wanna call them tropes, because they're not fully,
12:30 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, trope light sort of a little numb member berries, right?
12:34 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's working.
12:36 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm like, why are you guys like, you're doing the thing that I hate the most because it's cheap and it's easy, but in it, it's...
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But it works.
12:46 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
12:47 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
12:48 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And boy, these two episodes meant it was just action packed, but it never felt gratuitous action.
12:53 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It never felt set piece action.
12:56 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_03]: It felt all appropriate for the storyline and the pacing of it was really good.
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Even though episode eight.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_03]: was a little weird for me.
13:06 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_03]: There were some weird pacing, stuff going on with the mall sub-story, just that sort of fade to black, to keep sort of fading to black a bunch of times.
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, is this like a commercial break or like what's going on?
13:18 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just a weird juxtaposition between the tension and loss in trying to get Riley back and then mall and his introspection.
13:26 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like it didn't work for me.
13:28 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just a little,
13:31 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
13:31 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It was like a dessert where like it's like some fruit with a particular flavor of ice cream and they just don't work together quite right, but they're both delicious, right, but then you pair those together and you're just like, I don't know if the combo quite works for anyway.
13:47 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just I'm really enjoying this my my last little comment before we we should play Alicia's fresh takes for for this part.
13:57 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got three things from Alicia we've got.
14:00 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_03]: The one we'll play now, then one that will play to start of our conversation in episode eight.
14:04 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And this one cuts, she just cut him in half so that we can place them properly.
14:09 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of easier to just drop off and then we'll play it the second one.
14:12 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we've got a lower bomb about Crimson Dawn.
14:15 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_03]: But my last point is,
14:18 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't unsee this now, but Dockie's nose looks like the monster energy drink logo, sort of M thing.
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, I don't know.
14:32 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_04]: That is not what I was expecting to hear.
14:35 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_04]: No it close.
14:38 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the shape of this M on his nose and I can't unseat it now.
14:43 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like really driving me crazy.
14:44 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought you were gonna say this sets me back.
14:50 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: His nose reminds me of one of the creatures in Jim Henson's.
14:55 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
14:56 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
14:58 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not true.
15:00 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's a good call from Yeah, crystal dark crystal dark crystal maybe.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:09 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:10 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like whoa.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
15:15 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's move on and let's play Alicia's takes on this for the beginning of this episode.
15:19 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Alicia here, the rook to your pod cast.
15:24 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
15:24 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Back with my hot takes for episodes seven and eight, the best episodes yet of Mall Shadow Lord season one.
15:32 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a response to a piece of listener feedback.
15:36 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so let's start where I left off last week, uh, the 11th brothers showed up, the crow, and that was cool.
15:43 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm wondering, he has thought, could that have been the person that Mark was calling at the end of last week, although Mark said my Lord.
15:52 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he would say that to a fellow inquisitor, especially, uh, 11th brother was initiated
16:04 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He wouldn't even say to the Grand Inquisitor himself, I can only imagine him addressing either Vader or city as that way, so the question remains unanswered.
16:15 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But both of the inquisitors look cool as hell, and I could watch them fight mall all day.
16:20 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Devon is definitely developing into a very interesting character.
16:25 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if she is going to fall and she does make me doubt it, which, you know, we all assume that, but the character is very complex.
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And she says a lot of things I agree with, like, fear is natural.
16:39 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We just can't allow it to control us and saying that shows that maybe she can resist that call of the dark side, even if it looks like she's flirting with it already.
16:50 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Riley, on the other hand, I am getting increasingly worried about him because I think he's learning that he might be a bit of a coward.
16:59 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There was that whole thing with the torture story where he said he didn't tell anything about the Jedi because he didn't know anything, but he
17:06 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: thinks that he would have if he did and then there's a point later where Riley shows up with the transport and he pushes past all the others to get into it which okay to be fair he is the only person in that group who was not used to being shot at and the only person who did not have a deadly weapon of his own but I don't know I have my eye on Riley I'm a bit worried that he might be more susceptible to the dark side than Devon is.
17:32 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Two boots on the other hand, glad to see him come back around.
17:37 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: All it took was, you know, he had his identity stripped from him.
17:41 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He liked being the robot that wore the boots and that held the coffee cup and pretended to drink.
17:47 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He literally had those things taken away and then threat to completely erase his mind.
17:53 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that should do it, that should flip him back.
17:57 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I loved seeing him go badass, but still in a two-boots way.
18:01 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If you notice, his blaster is always set to stun.
18:04 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You always see the circle shots coming out, which is just, you know, he's not a killer.
18:09 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as people who are killers, mall, I think you need to watch out for the way that you treat Rook cast.
18:16 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I especially noticed it's exchange they had in, I think it was episode seven, where he's talking about turning Devon away from her master.
18:28 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And he says to Rook cast, allegiances can be severed, and Rook cast says back to him, I agree.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, mall, watch out.
18:37 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: but as far as the Mandalorian's well, um, I guess she's pulled a bit closer by the portrayal of Cabrists and the others who, uh, who stole the ship and took off and immediately got blown off.
18:49 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So they took one for the team, I guess, but it is interesting.
18:54 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I said earlier in a, I said at the start of the season that I was tracking whether they took their helmets off and Cabrists took
19:06 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Institute of that role, even if you're not rough cast, I'm assuming that they mostly keep their helmets on and also that the one night brother who wears the mask over his face, that's probably to cut back on animation time and costs.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I can understand that.
19:23 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of the nightbrother, Ecarus is the survivor with the mask, so RIP to his real brother nightbrother's scorn.
19:31 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Scorn, we barely knew you, Ecarus, I fear your days are also numbered.
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's the end of hers.
19:41 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll pick it up on the, the rest of it when we get into eight.
19:45 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put a pin in the Riley conversation because I think there's some good conversation for us to get into there.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll do that after the break.
19:55 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And definitely we need to talk about the 11th brother because I think, yeah, Disney's, there's stuff going on here.
20:00 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_03]: It's unclear as to who and what's going on.
20:03 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So real quick, can W a long time supporter
20:09 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_03]: the podcast and and always good about sending in notes here and there just wrote in a quick email saying it's top quality star wars didn't have too armed grievous on my bingo card.
20:20 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like it was that could you snow?
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_03]: No, let's see if I can confuse me.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Bring on the last two episodes.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_03]: May the force be with you.
20:29 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Says Ken.
20:29 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So thanks Ken for writing and glad you're enjoying it and enjoying the coverage.
20:35 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And then also we got an email from Steven C, but Alicia's gonna respond to it because it ties in the witches' road from Agatha.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good insight.
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good insight.
20:51 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And to the witches of Dathamir as well.
20:54 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe what's going on with Mara Kent, Levin's brother and there's some stuff there.
21:00 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So she's gonna read his email
21:04 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_03]: play her second half.
21:07 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's take a quick break and then we'll come back we will get into episode 7.
21:23 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back, call to oblivion that's chapter.
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the title of chapter seven.
21:29 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you Wikipedia again for this episode synopsis.
21:34 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Mall leads Devon and Riley to his current hideout, which the empire is closing in on.
21:39 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Mall plans to escape from Janik's on his Starship, which is hidden.
21:44 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Nearby, it says nearby in the description, but it's pretty far to me.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But Devon refuses and tries to leave with Riley.
21:50 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_03]: The Empire arrives and attacks, capturing Riley in the process.
21:56 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Devon manages to escape during the fight in reunites with Docke and Lawson.
22:00 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Riley is brought to police headquarters and detained.
22:04 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Lawson tries contacting two boots, but the droid is reluctant to abet the fugitives and does not answer.
22:14 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: an interpretation there, rather than just a description, doesn't he's not able to answer or chooses not to answer, but the news right there.
22:21 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, malls group makes their way to the ship, but are intercepted by more troopers led by Mark and the 11th brother.
22:31 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Moll doles with the inquisitors while the three of his Mandalorian mercenaries led by Kebris attempt to flee in the ship, and we're shot down by the Imperial gunships, Skorn, a nightbrother who serves Moll, follows Moll, and into the caverns where the 11th brother kills Skorn to the despair of his brother Icarus, struggling with his damaged
23:00 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_03]: forcing the inquisitors to retreat.
23:04 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to get to something that Alicia set up in her her fresh takes there, which I think is really interesting and I hadn't thought about this before,
23:22 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: angle on the story, which is Riley's arc versus Devon's arc, and they definitely put the two characters together when the adults were having their talk.
23:32 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they went in the room, and here we have these two teenagers, one with a normal upbringing, one with a very not normal upbringing.
23:41 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm this question of Riley and his fear,
23:45 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_03]: will that lead him astray and where is Devon headed is he able to, she's going to be able to stay in the gray.
23:53 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_03]: But then I'm also kind of worried about Riley.
23:56 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I know the interrogation happens later, but we could maybe talk about it a little bit now, but is he already compromised, Joan?
24:05 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you worried for Riley?
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I thought he snitched.
24:08 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought he came up with this problem.
24:10 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Straight up.
24:12 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
24:32 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_04]: He's he whatever he does know he told right and and I can't blame him you know I mean, I can't blame him.
24:38 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I go back to what we talked about last week where his parents didn't prepare him for these moments.
24:44 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_04]: They tried to shield him right and in this moment I don't I don't know Who you know if you're not for sensitive and call you haven't been trained to to resist right
25:02 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't you or me cannot there's no way.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm saying.
25:05 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a total auction of the room in our pants or soiled.
25:09 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:09 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:10 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Or they're going to go into your mind and they're going to dig it out.
25:13 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:14 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:14 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So I immediately was like, yeah, he told, you know, I can't blame him for telling that or items are not going to be like, oh,
25:22 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a standard Star Wars trope right to slip the tracking device in the ship when it's in the docking bay.
25:28 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, whatever.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And then letting them get away.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And don't worry.
25:32 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We're traveling all the way.
25:33 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:34 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a, you know, tracker on him.
25:36 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:36 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was just like, yeah, this is this is whether it's a tracker or a mental tracker.
25:41 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:41 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:43 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll link something.
25:45 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe he's, um, he's, um, uh, uh, doing Citizen Kane or doing a Rosebud on him.
25:51 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, right.
25:52 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, as Rosebud know, it'd be more, um, the mentoring candidate doing a mentoring candidate on him, where later on, like, if they do get away, we'll see Riley on a calmly, you know, calling the 11th brother, like, hey, where here's our location or something like that.
26:07 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
26:08 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, I don't blame him.
26:10 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that, you know, this, you know, Mars Riley's, um,
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_04]: morality in any way.
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it makes perfect sense that he would snitch.
26:24 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And that he would work under the rest.
26:28 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, his 20 empire done this moment is actually.
26:33 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I do worry for Riley that he will become more complicit with the empire as the series goes on.
26:45 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, do you think Devon is gonna be able to keep one foot on both sides of the line?
26:55 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a couple things, I think it's possible that Riley has compromised because of his mother.
27:06 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: They, he could have said, you know, we know who your mother is.
27:11 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: She works for us.
27:12 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_03]: If you do not brought that up, that's very, that's a big omission.
27:16 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:17 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, if you don't do what we say, kind of like soul, right, she was compromised later on.
27:24 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, yeah, I mean, I could see where he is compromised and he is now in a position where he has to do their bidding.
27:33 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it'd be later.
27:34 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he did say where things were headed.
27:37 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think it is going to be difficult to have him.
27:42 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be with his dad.
27:46 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But if he is compromised, of course, it's going to be very difficult to kind of
27:53 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: manage that.
27:54 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing too, I think Riley represents us in the story, right?
27:58 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the every kid.
28:01 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't write a lot of us, you know, don't, you know, have, you know, blasters and we're not, you know, doing sports or whatever, you know, we don't have four sensitive powers on.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to interject a short story.
28:15 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We were visiting some friends this weekend.
28:20 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_03]: When we were staying in New York, we were staying at some other friends and they've got a couple of kids and they've got a couple of light tapers and like metal-hilted ones and you know with the buttons that and they change different modes and you tap them together and they spark and make
28:43 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_03]: and
28:45 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, no, no, no, the point is not to hit them together.
28:49 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_03]: The point is that you're trying to stab me.
28:52 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm trying to block you.
28:54 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_03]: And so when two people are fighting with fake swords, like you're trying to recreate a sword fight by knocking them together, intentionally.
29:02 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, we don't have none of us, you, me, nobody, none of us have a clue what we're actually supposed to do.
29:10 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a sword in our hand or something like this.
29:15 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_03]: to handle any of this stuff that Riley is being thrown into.
29:19 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_03]: So I totally agree with your point.
29:21 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's my example.
29:23 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:24 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I thought also,
29:27 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_02]: This is more about Devon's character.
29:30 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she would later regret it.
29:31 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But I really felt for Riley when she kind of ignores him.
29:36 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_02]: When he says, come, you know, kind of waves his hand.
29:39 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Hide, hide with me.
29:41 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And she said, yeah, that maybe the use to be the use to be like that, but not now.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to protect it.
29:47 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But I felt for Riley, you know, it's like, I have no choice really, I have nothing.
29:53 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I just have to hide if I'm going to save myself.
29:56 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
29:56 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't know if he's going to be moving to the dark side, but to me so far, he seems to be just your kind of narrator, observer at us, and he doesn't have any training as both of you mentioned.
30:17 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So what do you think about Devin?
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think she's going to be able to straddle the line?
30:22 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_03]: find herself, you know, find the power and the dark, but, you know, keep her herself, her motivations and her motives in the light right now the way I see it.
30:39 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean we fight with her head, right, but she could, she could go, but she seems to be picking her side and it's with, you know, Jackie.
30:56 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Jean?
31:01 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_04]: If you know, I don't think that she will go to the dark side.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to think she's staying on the light.
31:08 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I think she will stay on the light.
31:09 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
31:09 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I think she will stay on the light.
31:11 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that she recognizes how much Ducky has done for, but all share how much that he is not done.
31:23 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_04]: And she's wrestling with that like a teenager would.
31:31 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_04]: up until now, I don't think that she has fully embraced what more is given to her.
31:41 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you can see, from other stories, we can see how the dark side influences people,
32:00 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't seen that with her yet, so I don't know, and Mall is not trying to hide it.
32:08 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_04]: He's trying to push her over the ledge, but she hasn't done, she hasn't committed to that yet.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
32:18 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's because Daki is still there.
32:22 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_04]: But also, she's watching the landscape.
32:27 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_04]: She just, she's experienced order 66.
32:30 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_04]: She knows what the dark is about.
32:34 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_04]: This is not something that is theoretical for her at this point.
32:39 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
32:40 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So do I put myself fully in the embrace of the thing that nearly destroyed me?
32:48 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_04]: or do I try to find a way to battle that thing without succumbing.
32:54 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's what she's trying to do.
32:56 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think she's going to go dark.
32:57 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I don't think she's going to go dark either, but I think she's going to have a foot in both sides.
33:07 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?
33:08 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like she's going to realize the power of the dark side, action, strategy, like thinking ahead of your enemy, you know, being proactive in certain circumstances.
33:21 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_03]: At the same time, like having pure motivations, I got to protect Riley, you know, I've got to, you know, protect people and stop the, you know, the plans of the empire.
33:37 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_03]: To me, that is a much more interesting story line that it's not just like, oh, they're tempting a, you know, light force, you know, a good guy Jedi to come to the backside and then oh, yes, he turns or oh, no, I can save you father and I can bring you back to the lightside, right?
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a simple story.
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_03]: We've seen that a lot.
33:58 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Not criticizing it.
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Just saying we've seen it a lot.
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think what will be interesting is to see somebody who's
34:04 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_03]: using the dark side techniques and tools and strategisms and stuff like that for light side purposes.
34:13 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And being able to balance those tensions between her, being able to steal a speeder so that she can rescue the good guys, right?
34:24 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this is, you know, this is, we call it an acolyte to me.
34:29 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
34:29 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_04]: The show.
34:30 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
34:31 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think your point is, well, taking that, I really, this is my belief that they're trying to tell stories where you can have what you're saying, someone's straddle that lie, right, where somebody who would we would consider a Jedi, but is using the tools of the enemy.
35:02 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, in order to combat the darkness, but not succumb to it, not fall into darkness, right?
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can definitely see that.
35:12 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so not not to give up their soul, but like, oh, well, no, I'm going to get angry in this fight.
35:18 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to use my anger to defeat my enemy, to let it defeat my enemy to protect the innocent or something, right?
35:24 --> 35:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
35:25 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Devon, to me, Devon could be a really good character to illustrate how the Jedi come back.
35:33 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: The Drawn has said they just went through a horrific event that nearly exterminated them.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So they are all in fighting.
35:43 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, they're hiding now and now they need to relearn to be...
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The fight, the fight, exactly.
35:52 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: because they can't fight down the open so well because they're gonna get killed, right?
35:58 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole landscape has changed, it flipped so quickly.
36:02 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And now these young, you know, it's, you know, these young paddawans,
36:10 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_02]: you know what's interesting is the masters.
36:12 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if they're too old to relearn.
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're seeing that right away.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're seeing that right away.
36:18 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're looking at the point.
36:19 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
36:20 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:21 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's these paddawons.
36:22 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_02]: This next generation that can take the Jedi to do directions or a little bit of the old direction where they're fighting for, you know, fighting them to protect people.
36:34 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Well,
36:36 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You think about when there are these times of turnover and change, we're certainly seeing it in our modern political landscape in the United States right now, where political parties are in the middle of evolving.
36:53 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think one of the things that you have to recognize is that, you know, in these tensions,
37:02 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: There is no going back to the way things were.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
37:07 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
37:07 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's irrevocably changed, and if you're going to survive in this new environment,
37:15 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_03]: you need to learn to reinvent yourself.
37:18 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you got to pull some stuff from the past and there's lessons to be learned, but you can't operate the same way, there is no more jet-high counsel.
37:26 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:27 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
37:27 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_03]: There is no more order in that way.
37:30 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, the circumstances are radically different and unless you unlearn the things that you need to unlearn to live in the current, you're doomed.
37:43 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_04]: to not have a lot of success with their goals in life and and we see to your point we see that in the skywalker you know story where post the empire falls
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_04]: what does Luke try to do?
38:00 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Try to recreate the teaching of the young kids.
38:04 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're happens.
38:06 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't work out so well.
38:09 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
38:10 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
38:12 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to move differently than, like you said, the landscape has changed.
38:17 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't go back to what thing to help things work.
38:22 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_04]: and it will be interesting to see if we get more of these stories that take place outside of the known parts of the galaxy that will be able to explore these things because they're not connected.
38:38 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_04]: They're not connected.
38:40 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So how do these Jedi who are not in the inner part of the galaxy?
38:49 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_04]: in the outerim, the far, far outerim, how are they surviving?
38:55 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_04]: What are they doing?
38:57 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So help people that they encounter.
39:01 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
39:01 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:03 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_04]: This is the most interesting thing that I thought about as I'm watching this series.
39:09 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Nice.
39:09 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
39:11 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:12 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So, we could go a couple of different places here.
39:17 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking about who is the 11th brother because I think there's some slight of hand going on here and what's going on with these characters.
39:26 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not an original thought.
39:29 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_03]: picked this up from the new rock stars video where they were making some they were doing some theory crafting and I was like oh that's there's some interesting stuff there but we'd also talk about two boots or we could talk about mall and what his bigger plans are any Brian any thoughts of where you might want to go on some of those topics
39:52 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, Alicia brought up two boots.
39:55 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, let's talk a little bit about two boots.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
39:59 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
40:00 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a friend or foe.
40:03 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he is just programming.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, yeah.
40:06 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
40:07 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He's, you know, he's following protocol and then the protocol changes and he gets very uncomfortable.
40:14 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, he, he deviates more, which is pretty cool.
40:22 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was reading where, you know, he had, I think Riley came in and he said, oh, I'm surprised you recognized me without my two boots.
40:32 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And apparently there was a, that could be a throwback from a joke that C3PO said the same thing to Han Solo, I think, in episode like seven with his arm with his arm.
40:46 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, oh, I'm surprised you recognize me with my red arm.
40:50 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, nice little nugget there.
40:55 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Good one.
40:55 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
40:57 --> 40:57 [UNKNOWN]: So
40:58 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, two boots is, you know, he thinks in this episode seven, he thinks he's kind of he misses boots, but he's okay at the moment because these, they're following the empires for a protocol.
41:15 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The once Riley enters a pitcher and then his father, it goes way off the rails.
41:22 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think, you know, he's, I think he's going to be a friend.
41:28 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's interesting because he was quoting protocol back to the empire.
41:32 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's just quoting protocol down the line.
41:35 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a robot.
41:36 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_03]: He's he's programmed.
41:39 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And we want to relate to them like a C3PO or an R2D2 or a K2SO or something like that where like no you're you're on the good guy team and you should be doing what we should do.
41:49 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's really interesting on us from a story telling standpoint is no they're holding him down this line of protocol.
41:56 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't care if you're an imperial lieutenant or the chief of police the protocol is a protocol.
42:03 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_03]: John or how are you and it's hard right in and sometimes you're like, but we want you to be our friend, but you're quoting protocol, but then you put quote protocol back to the empire.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So, John, how are you?
42:14 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I think what Alicia said about his loss of identity, sparking sparking that, you know, realization that man.
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_03]: But can he have that thought?
42:30 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Does he, is he program?
42:31 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Does he have the capacity for that, thank you?
42:34 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so because he wouldn't have, why would you say how did he realize me?
42:41 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right, yeah, yeah, good line.
42:42 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so this is something that obviously he, you know,
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Sentianness.
42:55 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I am a being.
42:59 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I think therefore I am right and how do you how did you recognize me with out my boots?
43:07 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Right because I look at the same as all these others.
43:09 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
43:10 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_04]: How did you know it was me?
43:12 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think this is This is such a great commentary on how
43:21 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_04]: human beings at times behave, it's their own loss that causes them to see the loss that someone else is experiencing.
43:35 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So without that, without that loss of who I am, right?
43:50 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_04]: but now that that's been taken away from me.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And the, what's his name?
43:55 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I forget the, who's in charge with tenant?
43:59 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Will you tenant?
44:00 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
44:00 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't remember.
44:01 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Class, I think.
44:02 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
44:03 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So, so when he's a little bit, I don't know, it's a, I'm surprised that they put it in a tenant in charge, just be like a colonel or something.
44:10 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
44:10 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt the same way.
44:11 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that's weird.
44:12 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, anyway, moving on.
44:14 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_04]: But when, when, when the lieutenant says, you know, do you want me to reprogram you and wipe your memory?
44:23 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_04]: That right there, Tubus was like, wait a minute, no one has ever said that to me before.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Where's that coming from?
44:33 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
44:34 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
44:34 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_02]: He was spored.
44:35 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He was shocked.
44:36 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna take me, me, you're taking me away, right?
44:42 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that is what the fear of loss is making Tubus recognize
44:53 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he has that conversation with the other officer in the hallway like don't you get it the cat don't you get don't you get yeah and it's interesting so when we finally in the next episode when we Have the quote unquote exchange your prisoner exchange
45:11 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_03]: his turn, his heel turn, is kind of earned because all the way along, they've been putting these little storybeats along his, along the storyline,
45:26 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_03]: of where he is encountering loss and threat to identity and but Riley is a good kid and he's a member you know he's he's a in the he's adjacent to our police force because he's the son of the things like why are you treating him right there's all these little things that builds up so it's not just like
45:45 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_04]: this so it's so much commentary like so much things that I took away from that interaction when he's saying, you know, but I know Riley, he's not like though.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.
45:57 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:58 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, and you're not listening to me when I'm saying this and I'm a droid and I'm telling the truth kind of thing like why aren't you, you know, end your violating protocol and that he's a minor and he needs to be set as it were blah, blah,
46:11 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Like where we're police officers, we don't bend the rules.
46:16 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't break the rules, we don't treat people this way.
46:20 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, kind of ask other people, those questions.
46:25 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
46:27 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, and they says it's a police force.
46:29 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the Imperial Navy.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.
46:33 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So when you made that call to bring them in,
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
46:39 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_04]: You couldn't have imagined the suffering that other people have gone through because of them.
46:47 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a good point.
46:49 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And now that suffering is not only real, but it can be you.
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's real to you.
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_04]: It's real to you right now coming home to you.
47:02 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And they told you, we're taking memory away.
47:05 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_04]: We will wipe you off the face of this planet.
47:09 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're happy to do it.
47:11 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we just do it right now?
47:12 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's just save every of each other's shovel and leg.
47:15 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we've got to do it.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So bad right there.
47:20 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, speaks to what so many, you know, humans.
47:24 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_04]: human emotion, that we don't have empathy for others, until those things that are harming others, threaten us.
47:36 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
47:37 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
47:37 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're getting that from a robot.
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we're getting from the real bad.
47:45 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_03]: We're getting from what we're getting from mall is the, you know, the whole, the trueism of hurt people, her people kind of thing, right?
47:51 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
47:53 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, I did you have some thoughts on mall on, on, on sort of where we're going with mall here.
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_03]: What we actually, let's save that for the next episode.
48:00 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just curious to either of you or Brian, if you want to start off, do we know what malls plans are here?
48:09 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is he, he's trying to take over these criminal syndicates
48:13 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_03]: so that he can destabilize the empire and get revenge on the emperor?
48:20 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, you know, maybe, I think I see him taking the syndicate back.
48:31 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, too, because he lost it and he wants a back and clearly he has plans to kill Bapadine, or to me, no doubt about it that he's out to finish him.
48:44 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
48:45 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And, but it's unclear to me, you know, because he's such a great character now, you know, he's getting some shades of layers.
48:57 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see him like taking the place
49:01 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_02]: of the emperor.
49:02 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It just, I don't know, maybe, but he seems like by episode seven and eight, we're seeing a vulnerability to him.
49:11 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that, it's like, does a dog really want to do that?
49:16 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_02]: That seems like just not, you know, just I want my revenge and leave me alone.
49:32 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't get vibes, I don't know, it's strange that I'm not getting vibes that he wants to take over the world, right?
49:40 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You had this with Palpatine, right?
49:43 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And I read one of the novels that how he became, you know, his role leading to becoming an emperor and his role in becoming a
50:02 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was the similar things where he definitely strategized, he wanted to be on top.
50:08 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_02]: But he was so locked into this whole Sith thing, right?
50:13 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_02]: To, you know, you're the master, you know, you have a master.
50:16 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I am the apprentice.
50:18 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I won't kill my master and I will take over.
50:22 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't talked about that.
50:24 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more about
50:26 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're just, I don't know, as world seems smaller, if that's, if that makes sense.
50:32 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
50:33 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, lots, lots, lots of, lots of complexity here, which is good.
50:38 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Thoughts on mall and his plans, mall doesn't want to be.
50:41 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_04]: If the Lord.
50:45 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not, that's not, you know, a sift in the rule of tool, right?
50:52 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
50:53 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to learn and hopefully become more powerful than my master, so then I can be the sift lord, right, in order to bring down the Jedi and take over the galaxy.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_04]: destroy Palpatine.
51:17 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And that means destroying everything that he's worked for.
51:19 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_04]: His life's worked.
51:23 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Taking down the empire, seeing a crumble and then killing him.
51:29 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
51:30 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And if he does that, I think more would walk away.
51:34 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he would try to rule.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I really don't.
51:42 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Sean, this might actually be a connection to the last words he says.
51:48 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He's baby.
51:49 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
51:49 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see any guy walkers.
51:51 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_02]: This one is going to take over my dream.
51:53 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_04]: My dream is the chosen one, the chosen one that will be the end to the Sith and by the end to the Sith, he means the end to poverty.
52:03 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
52:04 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
52:06 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
52:07 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So his motives and plans are clear.
52:10 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And Alicia's got some insights later when we play her one of her other ones, which she's talking about watching them all go through what he was going through.
52:21 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But to do that, he's got to get through the inquisitors.
52:25 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So what's up with the 11th brother?
52:28 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this the 11th, who is under that mask?
52:31 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?
52:31 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust full on you as far as I can throw in.
52:35 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... there's some there's some funny business going on here uh... and i don't want to pull in necessarily another we went to a podcast but a youtube thing like i don't want to take their whole their their thoughts wholesale without critically analyzing them but uh... they had some interesting thoughts about who's behind the mask and i don't know i don't know if either of you guys have any
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, yeah.
53:06 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_03]: OK.
53:08 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't either.
53:09 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I was reading, you know, as inspired by Alicia's lore, bomb, the other episode, and read a little bit about the Crow, and this 11th brother, and from what we understand that he was, he was part of Jedi Order.
53:24 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_02]: OK.
53:25 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So he actually is.
53:26 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:27 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was a former Jedi.
53:31 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, oh, that's interesting.
53:36 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_02]: so you could speculate.
53:37 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
53:39 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there there's some speculation going on.
53:41 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll I'm going to I'm not going to bring it up in here.
53:44 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll sort of see what it goes because it's it's their theory crafting and I don't want to take their theory craft.
53:49 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_03]: You want to go watch their video.
53:50 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Go watch their video.
53:50 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good video.
53:51 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I really got a lot from it.
53:53 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
53:53 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's let me just look through here.
53:56 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I did love going through some just random notes really quick before we take a break and go to eight.
54:01 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I did love Marock up there as like, I am the Permanent.
54:04 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, looking at this city, I was like, I can't put somebody on the edge of a building at night in the wind, you know, in a creepy costume, but not draw conclusions to the Permanent.
54:15 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you real quick, for the, I think the inquisitor is for the most part, they were all former Jedi.
54:24 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Real.
54:24 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Many of them, if not all, they were captured.
54:27 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
54:27 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_04]: They were captured in that kill.
54:30 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_04]: you don't torture it, of course, and broken and turned to the dark.
54:39 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, kind of like what's his name did to the elves to make the orcs?
54:44 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, got to get our Tolkien in there.
54:50 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's trying a little bit more to come somewhere.
54:53 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
54:53 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_04]: So, I'm sure, somewhere will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the inquisitor is where mostly former Jedi captured and tortured and turned.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd watch that show.
55:06 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
55:07 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you, I think you guys, how did, did you read anything weird with the, in the relationship between Maroc on the Crow was like, Maroc like a little subservient to the Crow?
55:20 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
55:21 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a little differential.
55:23 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's one of those little clues.
55:25 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
55:25 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this guy really who he is?
55:27 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely not who America was talking with on the Comlink.
55:34 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, that's not a real answer.
55:36 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:37 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can't think that that person, it would have to be, I don't know because people are trying to make different connections.
55:46 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think if
55:50 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_04]: it were someone as powerful as Vader or anything like that, more would not have survived.
56:00 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:00 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:00 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:00 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:01 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:01 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:01 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no surviving.
56:02 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
56:03 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_04]: As diminished as he is, you know, he would have had that handed to him if that's Vader.
56:08 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Because Vader's like the height of his power is right now.
56:11 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
56:12 --> 56:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
56:12 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know, I think this is an inquisitor proper form of Jedi, maybe, whatever, but I'm not sure who it is, who it could be, but just, um, yeah, because he, he held his own, like, and I would say if he were at his, at the, at a hundred percent, I think more would have taken both of them out.
56:40 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Mall would have taken 11 and wow.
56:44 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
56:45 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Merrix first brother, right?
56:46 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember the lore.
56:47 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't take fourth brother.
56:48 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Fourth brother, okay.
56:49 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody will correct this.
56:51 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:54 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's seventh brother.
56:56 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
56:56 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sure we can find it on the end.
56:57 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe knife?
56:58 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
56:59 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do a very good job of retaining what delicious.
57:01 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I said to him, well, what was the last couple?
57:03 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think he would have taken them out.
57:04 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I think a fully healthy former, yeah.
57:11 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, okay.
57:12 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_04]: To me, what kind of doubt?
57:14 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_03]: We, I mean, he did have him on the run for a minute.
57:16 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, did.
57:17 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, when before they jumped through the waterfall, by the way, like, what a cool, an environment.
57:23 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh, that was so great.
57:25 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_03]: That was very, yeah, just the vegetation with the technology and it was a great, new scene for us to explore and for them to really push the boundaries of the animation again.
57:40 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think my final thought.
57:43 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, two, two couple of other thoughts.
57:46 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And this goes back to some of what we were talking about before.
57:49 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Just, you know, this story making us root for a character like mall or what have you or, but to see a former Sith and a former Jedi fighting alongside each other.
58:03 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_03]: when they're, you know, when the troopers show up and she's fighting next to him, like that was a cool visual to see them aligned in that moment.
58:15 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think mall things they're aligned in that mall but I don't think they are.
58:18 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I think she was only doing that in order to save Riley.
58:23 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
58:25 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And to get them out of the pickle, like she had to temporarily alive them to get out of that pickle.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a survival.
58:31 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:32 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
58:33 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Last thought, always pay your mercenaries, yes, they're only there for the money.
58:39 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you take the money away from them, you got what do you got?
58:41 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_03]: You got nothing.
58:42 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So, but hey, can you just took his helmet off?
58:45 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask you a question?
58:46 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask you a question?
58:47 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask you a question?
58:47 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask you a question?
58:48 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So he got his.
58:49 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_04]: What's up?
58:50 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_04]: It would dock he have sighted with more than that moment.
59:01 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're getting swamped, you know, they're getting surrounded.
59:04 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Would Dockey have cited with more than that moment, and said okay.
59:10 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe, Doc, he would have said, well, if we show the imperial forces that were not a threat to them, they won't.
59:18 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_03]: They'll be nice, they'll be more lenient to us.
59:22 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a no from you.
59:24 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a no.
59:25 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a no.
59:26 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Because there's a no from me.
59:28 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Doc, he would have the capacity.
59:30 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I'm saying before about the get-by.
59:32 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He has the capacity to side was to ally with him when she needs to, but she can also walk away from him when she needs to.
59:41 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And Daki could never side with Mal, ever.
59:44 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_03]: If they see each other, sabers are out, you know, and the smoke is rising.
59:50 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
59:51 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it, it, uh, documentary that everyone died before he sat in the mall.
59:58 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Before he decided to sign with more.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_04]: He was there.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Doc he would let everyone get blasted and say, you know what?
01:00:06 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_04]: At least we got blasted, but we didn't go with the dark.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a doc he would have done.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, and then he would say use that same line that it gave, uh, Devon don't leverage threats consume you.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like really good.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_02]: You're the one that brought, you know, the whole thing on them.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, really?
01:00:23 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying that.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That's God.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fool me doc, yes, yeah.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a break.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Then we'll come back and we'll get into episode eight.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back with Chapter 8, the creeping fear.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you again, Wikipedia for this synopsis.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Cast leads moles, remaining followers, and Vario to a rendezvous point.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Separated from them, Malk continues to struggle with his leg and experiences hallucinations of his past, including his brutal training by the Sith Lord, Darth Sidious.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: guy, the web now, the same time city, it's any faster, who is now the emperor and the one who killed Maul's brother, Sabah's oppress.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Maul resolves to stop cities from treating anyone else the same way.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Two boots learns that clice was actually executed by the empire.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_03]: and decides to help free Riley, who's been interrogated by the 11th brother.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Two boots and Riley meet Lawson and the Jedi outside the precinct and they escape from pursuing stormtroopers.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_03]: They go to meet with Saul, who has a ship, but the Jedi since it is a trap.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a trap and Lawson confirms this, Saul is being held a gunpoint by Blake and Inquisitors.
01:01:51 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_03]: The group turned back before their cot and soul blows up the ship with herself and Blake the side it's mall reunites with his followers and they take temporary refuge in Demis' office Barrio receives a message that dried and voss of the crimes and it gets crimsoned on wishes to meet with mall.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's play Alicia's second part of her fresh takes.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But the real star of these two episodes was that journey into the dark depths of Mall's psyche.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely tear it up when he told his reflection that he hated him and tried to wipe away his face in the water.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I did talk about malls, relationship with his brother Savash, a bit in the season preview episodes, so I won't repeat any of that here.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just add that the flashback we see in episode 8.
01:02:43 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: slightly contrary George Mann short story an unwilling apprentice from the collection myths and fables which is was already kind of semi canon as the name of that book implies it's sort of versions of stories that are told throughout the galaxy so it doesn't necessarily need to be true I did feel like the artwork may be referenced the art in that book a little bit
01:03:08 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was more surprised that the flashback also contradicted the episode of the Clone Wars that introduces Savash.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And actually, it's kind of closer to that unwilling apprentice short story than it is to the Clone Wars version.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say neither.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That short story, Nor Mall's own flashbacks in this new episode seemed to remember that their other brother for all ever existed.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess Mall won't have any reason to be mad at ventrace whenever ventrace watch eventually bears fruit.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: My head cannon is that the myths and legends story it's of course already intentionally murky and its canonicity as I said.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maul's memories are in perfect.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We see that in other ways.
01:03:53 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He misremembers details of his battle with Obi-Wan in this sequence of flashbacks that we see in this episode and I guess the reason that Savage doesn't really seem to remember Maul in the Clone Wars as he had this memories of Maul beaten out of him and for all he was always canonically the youngest brother.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So in my head he was born after Maul left.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: with Sidious.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why mom never thinks about him at all.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But in all seriousness, yeah, I think what really made this stand out is you just see why people love mom.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just because he looks cool.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually he became cooler.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: after he was cut in half.
01:04:40 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: In through these animated series and the comic books and everything, we see, you know, in this scene alone, real grit is not being a badass in the moment of glory, which, of course, we can see mal-do, but what we see in mal-story over and over is real grit is having the strength
01:05:01 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: to pull yourself through the sewers when your knees are malfunctioning, refusing to give up just because it's hard and fighting to live to fight another day.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he gets knocked down.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets up again.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, roll chumble one ball down.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so this brings us to the piece of listener feedback.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We got an email from Steve C. Who said, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between malls journey through the misty, memory, fear, ambition filled tunnel and the witch's road from Agatha all along.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: As he was flailing through the darkness, I was even singing the witch's road song.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Down, down, down, the road.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Down, the winding road.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: which brought my mind from the Marvel witches to the witches of Dathamere.
01:05:47 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if Maul, who has been seeking a proper apprentice for so long, finally gives up with, quote, unquote, the living, and decides to bring the body of Mark, who he would obviously have to kill first, back to life with help from whomever it's left of the night sisters.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe with the aid of Dathatat.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Ventress?
01:06:09 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's yeah, I see the parallels there and I think both the witches wrote and this episode of Shadowlord make the character journey literal and are both all the better for it because this filmmaking television making, animation, whatever, this is an inherently visual medium.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: if you can find a tasteful way to turn these inner journeys into an allegory that's so much more powerful storytelling.
01:06:42 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And these are two shows that pulled it off in ways, yeah, I can see the parallels for sure.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: As for bringing Mark back from the dead with an aid of a night sister, maybe Ventress?
01:06:53 --> 01:06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you could be on to something.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good question.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The question is then how does Mark end up back with the Empire because we see him later with the Knight Sister Morgan Elzbeth.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was assumed she was the one who somehow brought him back, although I think we all think he must be he must be going to kill him at some point in this series, right?
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll say we'll say we'll see.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's enough of malappreciation moment.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be back later with a lower bomb about the very last name dropped in this episode.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So follow me, my friend.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you at the end.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Boy, we could singing in everything.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'd be nice.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, any thoughts jump to mind as you're listening to,
01:07:48 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I was wondering, you know, toward the end of her, uh, recording.
01:07:55 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, you know, since we have this complex show going on, we don't, you know, if you zig, you zag, but who's to say, why not keep merit around?
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have to die.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's no rules.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no protocol that we have to have, uh,
01:08:17 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_02]: painting two boots here.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, hey, let him survive and, you know, and tell his, you know, that could be another, I mean, he's just so many series that we can create, right?
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd watch that.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be our mantra having, you know, a merit.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But,
01:08:38 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great to see those these kinds of connections, the universality, right, of good versus evil, ambition, and which is, and it's just, it's just, it's so great that we can make all these connections from the different
01:09:04 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Joan, let's get into Mull's visions a little bit because I think, and again, I was relying on another YouTube video, another creator's YouTube video on this, and there was like a whole bunch in there that I was not able to process just because I don't have the deep knowledge, but there's some Obi-Wan stuff in there, there's some sheave laughing, you know, there's a bunch of stuff.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_03]: What did you take overall into our specifics?
01:09:30 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_03]: What are some things that you noticed
01:09:34 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_04]: suffering, just suffering.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:50 [SPEAKER_04]: This is somebody who we met, maybe at the apex of his force usage.
01:09:53 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_04]: We never knew the suffering that he went through to get to that apex.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:11 [SPEAKER_04]: This show, to me, has shown the toll that the dark has on, right?
01:10:12 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Just how much it takes from you in order to gain this power, how much you actually have to lose, how much pain, not just physical, but just how much pain, how much suffering,
01:10:30 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And the entire sequence with Maul in this episode, that's all I, I, I, I just felt so bad for that person to have gone crazy to be having these kinds of things.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like holy shit, you know, right, he's just thinking he's a weapon, he's a killing machine at that point.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_04]: He's a, he's a missile and serious, you know, Palpatine is one of the cruel, cruelest of Sif.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the Palpatine, they're not many Sith Lords, who can outcrule him.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's a reason he's the Emperor.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:11:41 --> 01:11:47 [SPEAKER_04]: There are not many, but just going thinking of the history of Star Wars.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_04]: There are not, I don't think there are many.
01:11:55 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Just mean, just downright mean, as part of the thing, who really truly relish and making people suffer not just physically, but emotionally, and mentally, and that's what
01:12:25 --> 01:12:32 [SPEAKER_04]: and then get shun by that thing thrown away like a piece of crap.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:12:34 --> 01:12:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Just I just felt I felt so bad for more.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So a couple of things I want to I wanted to call out.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean obviously there was the childhood stuff, but there is a figure that jumps through towards him.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:53 [SPEAKER_03]: with a green saber.
01:12:54 --> 01:13:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But according to the new Rockstar YouTube video, that was Obi-Wan holding what's his master's at, what was Obi-Wan's master's name?
01:13:05 --> 01:13:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that guy.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_03]: His lightsaber.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was interesting.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:16 [SPEAKER_03]: But then also there was a stuff where Savage oppressed was Savage oppressed Savage?
01:13:16 --> 01:13:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Narakimara.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Savage.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Savage.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_03]: only.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:35 [SPEAKER_03]: He is being like, like, there's some like weird green energy, which is some dathamary witch energy stuff, which is like what came out of mock when he is killed.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's a bunch of, what the, there's a bunch of foreshadowing in there.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're dropping a bunch of clues in the flashbacks for what's yet to come is what I'm saying.
01:13:52 --> 01:13:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what will come.
01:13:53 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to interpret these pieces, but I think in all of his visions, there are a bunch of pieces in there that are pointing towards where this story is going.
01:14:06 --> 01:14:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that we do get the Emperor in here and there was, we hear the Emperor's laugh
01:14:14 --> 01:14:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I think, John, was it you who were saying last week that you think it was palpy that he was talking to on the colleague?
01:14:23 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm more in on your theory now.
01:14:27 --> 01:14:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's, I think they're starting to drop a little bits and pieces that this is, this is who's really behind what's going on here and it, and that makes sense because palpati would want mall dead.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:41 [SPEAKER_03]: This is so personal.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So personal.
01:14:43 --> 01:14:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:44 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, it's it's it's so personal for both of them Like this this you know come come bad of hatred that they both share for each other It's really something
01:15:01 --> 01:15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and knowing what we know, going forward, it's a little surprising that although you know when you make a personal you start making mistakes and wonder what mistakes are going to make both on Palpatine and mall going forward.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the other thing I want to say about this is that I also think that he is in some ways reverting back to his fifth training where he uses that suffering to fuel him for revenge.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And you could tell right after that, he stands up and he's ready, right?
01:15:52 --> 01:15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's training of all those years with Sidious has
01:15:58 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Beard fruit for him because now he can take all that pain, all that suffering and turn it into what he needs to do in a best John so brightly says and wisely about being personal.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Now as personal vengeance can his plan for personal vengeance could go forward.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like what Alicia was saying in her record about grit, yes, yes, and learning knowing that you can see yourself through to the other side, I've gone through a hard, I've done hard things and I can look back up on myself and go, yeah, I accomplished that.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So if I turn forward and I got this difficult thing, I know that I am capable, it may be hard, but I know that I've done it in the past.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So I know that I can do it again in the future.
01:16:46 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_03]: That's, you know,
01:16:47 --> 01:16:48 [SPEAKER_03]: part of what great is.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I would assert.
01:16:50 --> 01:16:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:16:51 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And we see that.
01:16:52 --> 01:17:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That's that whole, this is his whole journey in here is impoling him like not giving up and that inner voice that we all have, that is self-critical and self-sabotaging and just wants to woo us into just, I just give up.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be easier lay down, go to sleep like, no.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh man, like, you know, just let it go, but he doesn't, right?
01:17:15 --> 01:17:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And and he doubles down on his goals.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It is his need for revenge.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And in a weird way.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:28 [SPEAKER_03]: right, a little bit of a gollum to a saueron here, right, the tool that you created.
01:17:28 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, saueron didn't create gollum, but they're well, he did in conjure, indirectly, right through the balance of the ring.
01:17:35 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So it evils, so it's the seeds of its own destruction in it's,
01:17:42 --> 01:17:48 [SPEAKER_03]: machinations, and you don't always know where it's going to come from, but somewhere out there.
01:17:48 --> 01:17:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what was so interesting about the SIP, though, too, right?
01:17:51 --> 01:17:55 [SPEAKER_03]: They set it up, like, obviously you're going to try and kill me, take my place.
01:17:55 --> 01:17:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:17:55 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So obviously that's going to be the central tension of our relationship, and it, but we're going to make it work so that we can, you know, get stuff and become strong, or right, we're going to use that for our SIP power.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the insidiousness of the SIP.
01:18:08 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: is that they harness that, but at the same time, evil is ultimately going to be its own defeat.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So if, you know, mall is able to damage the empire and that damage the emperor's plans, then that's the emperor's own, the results of his own, the fruits of his own labor right there.
01:18:37 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: What else do we want to talk about here?
01:18:40 --> 01:18:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, there's just a cool episode, lots of action, lots of fun stuff, some cool disco music, you know, Devin kick an ass.
01:18:50 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Great, great to that POV Blaster scene where soul is spinning around, shooting the Blasters when we get to the best.
01:18:57 --> 01:18:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Point of view, and I think she survived.
01:19:00 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she rolled away in the explosion.
01:19:04 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think I don't think she, yeah, yeah.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Me too.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know something else I wanted to point out to the end of episode seven, where the rocks come down and then the start of eight, where we see mall like jumping away.
01:19:17 --> 01:19:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we couldn't see that at the end of seven.
01:19:19 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_03]: That's real cliffhanger stuff from the flash Gordon days where the real or the movie would end and you were like, Oh, no, what's going to happen to our hero.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And the next episode that give you the other camera vantage point, and you see, oh, that's how they got away.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:46 [SPEAKER_03]: That's how they're going to live, which is a great little Lucas hard coding writing same thing with the the speed or Devon writing, you know, driving the driving a fast car.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:51 [SPEAKER_03]: That that's all just sort of deep Lucas.
01:19:52 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_03]: influences and preferences that he had for things, right?
01:19:56 --> 01:20:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So that was a cool way that they will evolve all that together.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess we should listen to Alicia's lore bomb on Crimson Dawn.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, solo film fans, there are dozens of us and this is our moment.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The names, dried and voss and crimson dawn have been dropped, a promise and a threat hanging over the season one finale of Malshada Lord next week.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's review the key things we know from the movie solo, which is, by the way, set seven or so years after Shadow Lord.
01:20:32 --> 01:20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus,
01:20:33 --> 01:20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: what we know and overview of what we know from the Clone Wars episodes, other media, especially many many many many many many comic books that have covered the activities of this group.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is going to be a very high level overview because
01:20:50 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: they've been busy, especially after this point.
01:20:53 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Crimson Dawn is of course one of the underworld groups and malls shadow collective after the night brothers and the death watch Mandalorians, which we've spoken up before.
01:21:05 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the group that mall controls most directly, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have a fraught relationship with the face of the organization dried and voss.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: who, by the way, has no known relation to Ventress's Great Fallen Jedi Love Quinlanvoss.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a quick set back to the beginning of the group.
01:21:23 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: In the later years of the Clone Wars, so not too many years before this show is set.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Crimes in Dawn started as a band of mercenaries and bounty hunters infamous for their relentlessness, ruthlessness, and brutal behavior.
01:21:38 --> 01:21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: and they grew to become one of the largest criminal underworld organizations in the galaxy and eventually one of their members ends up killing the leader and taking his place and that is the near human with facial veins that acts like mood rings named dried-in-voss played by Paul Bettney in the solo movie.
01:22:00 --> 01:22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So dried and thoughts is known as a leader of the organization, but secretly crimson dawn comes under malls control during the events of the Clone Wars.
01:22:11 --> 01:22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And they even help mall take Mandalore, which we see happen in the final episodes of the final season of that series.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But Moll is still calling the shots from the shadows and he tried and Vost just refers to him as the overseer, the unseen overseer to other members of the organization.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So most people don't even know who he is.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But then a soak captures mall and order 66 forces them both to flee and mall tells the shadow collective leaders to go into hiding because he predicts that the rise of the empire will not be good for them.
01:22:48 --> 01:22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Now around the time of shadow lord a year or so later crimson dawn is mostly growing their activity mostly in the outer rim and wild space.
01:22:59 --> 01:23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: so obviously the furthest areas from the empire but they do get into skirmishes with the empire from time to time.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We might be seeing that beginning here in this show.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And while we see mall, somewhat firmly in control of Crimson Dawn in solo seven years after the event of this show, I'm expecting the dried-in-voss we see in the finale next week.
01:23:20 --> 01:23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming that we will expecting him to be resentful and reluctant to be subservient.
01:23:27 --> 01:23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there will be some tension with Mal.
01:23:29 --> 01:23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Kira fans, I'm afraid it is unlikely that Amelia Clark will be sharing up next week because Kira wasn't sold to Vos for another five or so years after this.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think there's something that Disney's hiding in the final episode, so we shall see what that is.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's going to be something that they think might have the internet buzzing afterward.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: not Kira though.
01:23:53 --> 01:24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Kira though does eventually become malls apprentice on the business side obviously dried and boss spoiler for solo.
01:24:01 --> 01:24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He is killed by Kira and Kira becomes malls apprentice on the business side and she takes over crimson dawn after mall dies in the rebel series.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: and many more shenanigans follow under her rule, especially detailed in those aforementioned many, many, many comic books, but also novels and other media.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We see her doing things ranging from hosting an auction of her former best friend Han Solo's carbonite encased form in War of the Bounty Hunters, a crossover comic event in 2021.
01:24:34 --> 01:24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's set.
01:24:35 --> 01:24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: 20 years after Shadowlord, most of what we see her doing the comics is said about 20 years after Shadowlord, including meeting with the Knights of Rends.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She becomes a sort of reluctant ally of them.
01:24:46 --> 01:24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You can see more of that in Crimson Rain from 2022, which ties in with the famous 2020 Vader comic series.
01:24:55 --> 01:25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We see her manipulate the Hudson other places, kicking off what's called the Syndicate War.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She even shows up in the game Star Wars Outlaws.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Kira aside, another famous face, and this will turn into a slightly side story, but you'll see it overlapped with Crimson Dawn.
01:25:14 --> 01:25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, Sabe, played by Kira Knightley in the prequel trilogy?
01:25:17 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: She was the hand-made in to Padme Amadala, who was also her double, and subdued in it's her sometimes.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Any rumors of her deaths have been greatly exaggerated.
01:25:28 --> 01:25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she survives Padme out, I'm a dollar's death, and she eventually joins Crimson Dawn herself, so that she can fight Vader, whom she blames for Padme's death.
01:25:41 --> 01:25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But once she figures out that Vader is really Anakin Skywalker, they bond over their love of Padme, and they're just desire to free slaves from Tatooine,
01:25:50 --> 01:25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: and sub-based, which is sides for a while, and joins the empire.
01:25:55 --> 01:26:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But eventually, she pisses Vader off too much by continually insisting that he is still Anakin, reminding him of what he was lost, so he throws her into a notion.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was less seen during the time of the original trilogy, trying to aid Luke and Leia, whom she believes are the key to unlocking the goodness she knows is still inside their father.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So, as for Crimson Dawn, they will eventually go to full-out war with the Sith and thus the Empire.
01:26:27 --> 01:26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a battle that the Empire does eventually win.
01:26:31 --> 01:26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But not before Crimson Dawn puts up first a damn good fight.
01:26:35 --> 01:26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And crucially reveals the existence of the second Death Star to the Rebel Alliance, because Kira's a girls girl embonded with Leia, over that level,
01:26:46 --> 01:27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: which leads directly into the events of the return of the Jedi, setting them up to defeat Sidious for a while at least, and Kira unbeknownst to Leia and everyone else secretly survives these events and is somewhere out there in the galaxy.
01:27:05 --> 01:27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But all of that decades in the future, I can't wait to see next week what Crimson Dawn looks like at this relatively early point in their timeline.
01:27:12 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And could they have possibly gotten Paul Bettany to her prize?
01:27:17 --> 01:27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: His role as Dryden Vals could that be with her hiding in the finale?
01:27:21 --> 01:27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, can't wait.
01:27:24 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Jean, many thoughts?
01:27:27 --> 01:27:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, I'm fascinated by everything that she just said.
01:27:31 --> 01:27:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Um,
01:27:33 --> 01:27:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And I need to preface everything, I've not seen solo.
01:27:44 --> 01:27:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the movie.
01:27:48 --> 01:27:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I've not seen it.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:53 [SPEAKER_04]: that.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
01:27:55 --> 01:27:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Not even for historical research purposes, right?
01:28:01 --> 01:28:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I am.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I am going to say something.
01:28:05 --> 01:28:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would like people to respect my privacy.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I am not a Han Solo fan.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: You'll be taking your questions at this time.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: No comment.
01:28:25 --> 01:28:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, are you on to Lofan?
01:28:28 --> 01:28:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I.
01:28:29 --> 01:28:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's your guy?
01:28:29 --> 01:28:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, when you walked out of 77 or the first time you saw it, like, were you identified with?
01:28:35 --> 01:28:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I can't talk to you.
01:28:36 --> 01:28:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about any of this now.
01:28:37 --> 01:28:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:39 --> 01:28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I. I. I was.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I was on Luke.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a Luke kid.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: You're Luke kid.
01:28:46 --> 01:28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:46 --> 01:28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I was on kid.
01:28:47 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: you're on kid.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:49 --> 01:28:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:51 --> 01:28:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:28:52 --> 01:28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very imaginative, I guess.
01:28:56 --> 01:29:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the bus stop, one of the older kids was Darth Vader, and we, they replayed the joke scene over and oh, that was crazy.
01:29:06 --> 01:29:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So did you have a myth, a mytho?
01:29:09 --> 01:29:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Is what like who is your, who is your guy at a 77 or guy gal?
01:29:16 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, Luke.
01:29:18 --> 01:29:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Luke.
01:29:18 --> 01:29:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Luke and then you know, Lando.
01:29:22 --> 01:29:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me know.
01:29:22 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:29:23 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Well.
01:29:24 --> 01:29:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:29:24 --> 01:29:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:29:25 --> 01:29:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Like a Brooklyn.
01:29:28 --> 01:29:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I was saying we're going to move on to see Lando.
01:29:31 --> 01:29:31 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
01:29:31 --> 01:29:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to see that.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:41 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a carnivore that doesn't fault you for not ever planning on seeing so though.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Why?
01:29:45 --> 01:29:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is a myth, this is a myth thing, and I know other people have different points of views on this, and we can all, we all can coexist.
01:29:55 --> 01:29:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
01:29:56 --> 01:30:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind ambiguity, I don't need answers to things, I don't need always the precursor information.
01:30:03 --> 01:30:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to know what the castle rod was, actually.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:11 [SPEAKER_03]: He did something that was like, everybody goes like, what the castle you did?
01:30:12 --> 01:30:12 [SPEAKER_03]: What?
01:30:12 --> 01:30:14 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I need to know, right?
01:30:15 --> 01:30:24 [SPEAKER_03]: How, how, how, how, um, I don't need to see how Han Solo got the Millennium Falcon from.
01:30:24 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, from Lando, right?
01:30:26 --> 01:30:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need, you know, I don't need to know that.
01:30:28 --> 01:30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like, hey, old buddy, you know, like, that's all I need, right?
01:30:32 --> 01:30:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So she's my ship.
01:30:33 --> 01:30:34 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I need.
01:30:34 --> 01:30:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And so for me, what, um,
01:30:39 --> 01:30:50 [SPEAKER_03]: solo pulls that that veil back and I can you know we see the the guy behind the scenes there to some of I did I was happy with the mystery so okay.
01:30:50 --> 01:30:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I fair enough.
01:30:51 --> 01:31:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it didn't you know and you there's a lot of other things You can say about the movie so Oh god, we're a lot of other reasons so
01:31:02 --> 01:31:06 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm surprised that you won't see it in the sense of, let me let me say I won't see it.
01:31:06 --> 01:31:10 [SPEAKER_04]: If E wants to watch it, I won't watch it right now.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:12 [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to watch it, I'll watch it.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Brian, are you a solo stand?
01:31:17 --> 01:31:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I watch solo.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see it in theaters.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think like I'm the DODV or something.
01:31:25 --> 01:31:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was fine.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, I didn't really was bothered by the controversy or anything.
01:31:32 --> 01:31:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
01:31:32 --> 01:31:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, solid.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:35 [SPEAKER_03]: OK.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say check out Tansy's podcast going rogue about the making of solo and the problems that it had in production, problems.
01:31:44 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_03]: The process that it was not a, it was very much a,
01:31:53 --> 01:32:01 [SPEAKER_03]: it went through the washing machine that was the, you know, Star Wars franchise, time period people were getting taken off.
01:32:01 --> 01:32:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, people started projects and then we're taking off my jacks and that kind of stuff.
01:32:05 --> 01:32:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is not going to help anything.
01:32:06 --> 01:32:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a miracle that any movie can get created in the place.
01:32:10 --> 01:32:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody starts out with good intentions to make a good product.
01:32:12 --> 01:32:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And then stuff happens.
01:32:14 --> 01:32:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, so I think, so low unfortunately,
01:32:20 --> 01:32:23 [SPEAKER_03]: uh uh was affected by all of that kind of stuff.
01:32:23 --> 01:32:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Tansie's got a great podcast all about that.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, cool.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:27 [SPEAKER_03]: That's down.
01:32:27 --> 01:32:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So, that's the going rogue podcast so you can check them out.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know what else we got for this.
01:32:36 --> 01:32:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Anything else Brian, you want to add or kick you in on?
01:32:40 --> 01:32:40 [UNKNOWN]: Um.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
01:32:43 --> 01:32:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking, you know, I gain notes.
01:32:46 --> 01:32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, me too.
01:32:47 --> 01:32:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And we covered pretty much most of it.
01:32:50 --> 01:32:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you, John, I circle, I wrote and circled and underline cruelty when I was.
01:32:58 --> 01:33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: going through the flashback.
01:33:01 --> 01:33:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I did find out that the flashback was created by some old animation from the previous series and then some new ones and then they use the smoke machine.
01:33:15 --> 01:33:35 [SPEAKER_02]: some real smoke machine yeah yeah that's sweet so again it just tells you behind the scenes they're really making effort they're cooked yeah they're making quality product here yeah that's very cool all right well let's wrap it up and get out of here John you got anything else you want to add or
01:33:35 --> 01:33:36 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm good.
01:33:36 --> 01:33:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't wait for next week to get these last two episodes gone quick, right?
01:33:41 --> 01:33:43 [SPEAKER_03]: These double everything five weeks.
01:33:43 --> 01:33:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So and next week it's going to be the end of, I'm sorry, not the end.
01:33:50 --> 01:33:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be what made the fourth, right?
01:33:51 --> 01:33:53 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's going to be a star worst day.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So they plan that.
01:33:56 --> 01:33:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I think pretty deliberately.
01:33:57 --> 01:34:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, excited for the finale.
01:34:00 --> 01:34:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
01:34:01 --> 01:34:01 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:34:01 --> 01:34:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we got some things coming up on the Laura Hound schedule.
01:34:04 --> 01:34:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We're we're barreling forward into a hot lore summer.
01:34:08 --> 01:34:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I was looking at the show tracker the other day.
01:34:11 --> 01:34:12 [SPEAKER_03]: You haven't checked out the show tracker.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great resource.
01:34:14 --> 01:34:42 [SPEAKER_03]: it's a curated list of television and movies and then we have like one of those gant charts, one of those timeline charts, so you can see when things are all overlapping and you can find out like when what days things are dropping, how many episodes they're going to drop, links to the trailers and all that kind of stuff, it's a really great resource and so big shout out to Sub Zero who really does a lot of hard work keeping all of that because we're scraping and pulling information from all kinds of different sources.
01:34:42 --> 01:34:47 [SPEAKER_03]: really great resource for the community supported by the community by community member sub zero.
01:34:48 --> 01:34:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So just sort of scanning down the list here, a developer's product comes out.
01:34:52 --> 01:34:54 [SPEAKER_03]: The second move becomes out this weekend.
01:34:55 --> 01:34:59 [SPEAKER_03]: We have the season three of the terror coming up, Ryan and I, you and I are talking about that.
01:34:59 --> 01:35:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Jean, we've got the punishers special.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:19 [SPEAKER_04]: It's got Daredevil wrapping up, wrapping up, Punisher coming up, Spider-Man War, coming up, Spider-Man, coming up, Dude, yeah, we're about to, we're cooking, yeah, there's going to be some really good stuff.
01:35:20 --> 01:35:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really looking for it to this Spider-Man War.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, It's gonna do the black thing.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:27 [SPEAKER_04]: The black, I'm gonna probably do both.
01:35:27 --> 01:35:28 [SPEAKER_03]: would you get to do first?
01:35:28 --> 01:35:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Black and white.
01:35:29 --> 01:35:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, same.
01:35:30 --> 01:35:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Black and white.
01:35:31 --> 01:35:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because since we last spoke last week, they dropped the trailer and looks amazing.
01:35:36 --> 01:35:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:35:37 --> 01:35:38 [SPEAKER_04]: It looks amazing.
01:35:38 --> 01:35:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Right on.
01:35:38 --> 01:35:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Right on.
01:35:39 --> 01:35:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Right on.
01:35:39 --> 01:35:41 [SPEAKER_03]: We also got Star City.
01:35:41 --> 01:35:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very interested in that's a for all mankind spin-off, but from the Russian side of things and the moon base, kind of like Chernobyl meets season one of for all mankind, which I really enjoyed.
01:35:51 --> 01:35:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So
01:35:52 --> 01:35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know some some people are talking about master the universe.
01:35:55 --> 01:35:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's up with that.
01:35:57 --> 01:35:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, we got messy.
01:35:58 --> 01:36:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Two years ago he even had I got the power, you know what I'm talking about.
01:36:02 --> 01:36:13 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we've rolled right into, we got to finally got a date for House of the Dragon and of June, John, John, you and I are talking about the drag I'm going to be I'm going to miss the first couple episodes because my fan we're going to be on vacation.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:21 [SPEAKER_03]: So okay, okay, we're going to work that out super girls coming up silo is also on the docket.
01:36:21 --> 01:36:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I believe I think I probably missing some stuff I might be looking at this over.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:48 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... had vampire let's stop is another thing that john and uh... at least share talking about coverage star trek strange new world is going to be dropping our friends over at captains pod will be covering that weekly lanterns is coming up uh... tedlassos in summer so it's it's hot lore summer uh... it's here and uh... it's real
01:36:49 --> 01:36:51 [SPEAKER_03]: and we'll be doing a lot of cover.
01:36:51 --> 01:36:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It will be, we've got your own kinds of stuff.
01:36:52 --> 01:36:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So Brian, thanks.
01:36:55 --> 01:36:56 [SPEAKER_03]: This has been fun.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:36:57 --> 01:36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
01:36:57 --> 01:37:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Jean, see you next week.
01:37:01 --> 01:37:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:37:01 --> 01:37:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I suppose I should read out some thank yous, shouldn't I, for the thing, I closed my window and that was a bad thing.
01:37:07 --> 01:37:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So everybody's got a sit here.
01:37:09 --> 01:37:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to edit this out.
01:37:10 --> 01:37:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to leave it in while I get to the outro.
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01:39:17 --> 01:39:21 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a great episode the other day about grief and songs that make you cry.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:23 [SPEAKER_03]: That was like really good.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And Steven Anthony are cooking on their honeymoon or their newlywed season.
01:39:30 --> 01:39:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I, I'm paying for what the radioactive rambler boys are up to.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were covering the boys, but I haven't seen any podcast.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, this is coming.
01:39:39 --> 01:39:40 [SPEAKER_04]: That's coming.
01:39:40 --> 01:39:40 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:39:40 --> 01:39:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the next episode is coming.
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01:39:44 --> 01:39:51 [SPEAKER_03]: So Brian, John, we'll see you next week for the, uh, wrap up of season one of mall.
01:39:51 --> 01:39:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, indeed.
01:39:53 --> 01:39:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Season 2 can't come soon enough.
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