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00:20 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome to ProperlyHallord, a podcast that includes classic films and other cool fiction.
00:26 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Today we take a look at A-twenty-four's friendship.
00:29 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_06]: starring Tim Robbins and Paul Rudd, friendship explores the challenges facing men who seek to make meaningful bonds with other men because at their core, men are weirdos.
00:39 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_06]: With me to discuss this film as always is Dr. Anthony LaDon.
00:46 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Steve, what's the first movie you saw Paul Rudd in?
00:49 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, you know, I actually think it might have been anchor man because I didn't, you know, I know he was kind of an early nineties thing.
01:00 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like in like younger, like like, I think like clueless things like that, but I hadn't seen him.
01:07 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_07]: I think I probably saw him first in clueless, but I don't know if I would have recognized.
01:11 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's Paul Red, right?
01:13 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, right.
01:14 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_07]: I think Inkraman for me was sort of like, oh my gosh.
01:18 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Who is this person?
01:19 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Or maybe maybe four year old version or no, four year old version came out after.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he came out after.
01:24 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think I think that's when I first, like, so that was like my first inner introduction to him, especially as like a, as this incarnation of Paul Red, right?
01:37 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Just, I mean, in terms of comedic actors, he really, like, I think he's probably one of the most talented comedic actors I've ever seen.
01:51 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, in the sort of, like, if I was going to create a amount rush more, it would definitely include like Gene Wilder, Paul Rudd.
02:03 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I'd Charlie Chaplin was a little bit before my time But I just I just think Paul Rudd is Cassie can do the straight man.
02:16 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_07]: He can do the Fantana role like he could do the toxic masculinity guy Yeah, he in this in this film like he's he's lived his character has a legitimately like four different
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_07]: major character shifts.
02:36 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_07]: And, right, I mean, I just, I'm in awe.
02:40 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, this movie is definitely a Tim Robinson joint.
02:46 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, he's, he really does carry the thing, but it doesn't work unless, unless
02:55 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_07]: you can see why you would have a man crush on on Austin right right you could also he also becomes very vulnerable in this movie he also becomes kind of like a villain at one point he's he's just I'm just I'm kind of amazed by him in this movie so I think and I think there's a lot I did this movie is this my fourth watch
03:24 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, my second last night, which by the way, I just wanted to watch it again, so like I decided to hijack the the bacon season to just look I just gotta see this movie again, and I want to talk with you at length about it.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_07]: So let's just do it, right?
03:41 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you think that you could recommend this movie?
03:44 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I don't know who I would recommend this movie to.
03:47 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I recommend it.
03:52 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, with certain people for sure.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's an acquired list.
03:56 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think it kind of have to have some sort of a relationship with this with Tim Robinson and sort of the cringe comedy.
04:03 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of that, right?
04:05 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Like some people could find this just too uncomfortable.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of his time.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Because who are you rooting for?
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
04:14 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_07]: No.
04:15 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_07]: A lot of his comedy is
04:17 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_07]: I did something small that made me feel uncomfortable in a social situation.
04:24 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_07]: But now you're going to fix it on it.
04:26 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_07]: And you're going to try to make up for that little small bit of insecurity with this grand gesture.
04:37 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_07]: Why actually you were in the right to make that small mistake?
04:41 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, if I was recommending like I've recommended to people that I know kind of understand the Tim Robinson effect, right?
04:48 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_06]: But to other folks, I've kind of, I present it differently.
04:52 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I say it's very funny.
04:54 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_06]: It's very unsettling.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_06]: It's worth a watch.
04:56 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's kind of how I have sold it to people.
05:00 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_06]: But I've never heard anybody watch it.
05:03 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_06]: That isn't like already sort of baked into the, like understanding what you're getting from a Tim Robinson.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_07]: This is one of those things.
05:11 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Like I guess, I guess we do occasionally ask who's this movie for.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_07]: I do think
05:17 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_07]: It helps, this movie has helped if you have, if you kind of have had an experience with Tim Robinson before.
05:23 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and you got to figure, I mean, I think you should leave is massively successful.
05:29 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_06]: So I would say that a large portion of the population have interacted with it and get
05:36 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_07]: and get it.
05:36 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_07]: So I think about ninety percent if I think you should leave is just not Sarah's humor.
05:43 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_07]: But she just kind of walked in the room when I was watching this.
05:48 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Alexander, on our kayaking date earlier, I feel like there were a lot of awkward pauses.
05:54 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I know we had an instant attraction, but I'm starting to think that we just don't have enough in common for you to be... Oh, why?
06:02 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And Ronnie, I feel like you're just here for the zip line.
06:09 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_03]: What?
06:10 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All you do all day is go on the zip line.
06:19 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and you've gotten into several fights with Mike from Adventure Three Six Five who runs the zip line.
06:25 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_10]: He's just too excited.
06:26 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_10]: He's too rough on the ropes.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_10]: Shut up, Mike.
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_10]: He pulls on the rope.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_10]: He rinches on the rope.
06:31 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_10]: He thinks it's his.
06:31 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_10]: Shut up, Mike.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_10]: He yanked on the ropes.
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_07]: I said, shut up, Mike.
06:36 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_07]: So watching this so much of the sketch is it's so visual because him on the zipline like doing all the tricks on the zipline Sarah was just like doubled overlapping and then she wanted to watch it again and Then she said I feel like I've just watched something important
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, oh my gosh, that's it.
07:04 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_07]: That's it.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like this is so absurd.
07:08 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_07]: It's ridiculous.
07:10 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't think I've seen anything quite like this before.
07:14 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_07]: And it does feel like it's pretty innovative.
07:17 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And like Heather, we've watched.
07:22 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I think you should leave several times and I would agree that there are times where she's just like it's not maybe her bag or it's a little over but like but when it hits exact some of the funny stuff exactly you know and it's because there are there are some sketches I'm not crazy about I'll either skip over or just sort of half watch them but when it's when it's right I mean
07:43 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's some of the funniest stuff.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
07:46 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_07]: And the other thing that Sarah watches over and over and over on Instagram is the detritor scene when they're playing Roman candle baseball.
07:58 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_07]: She just loves, loves it.
08:01 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_07]: So if you know, if you've had an experience with Tim Robinson before, you're bringing all of that goodwill to this movie, which you kind of need to get through the first hour, I think.
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I agree.
08:15 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but it's so funny because like when I went like said when I went to the theater, the audience was ready.
08:23 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_06]: So the second, like she says, you know, you know, I'd like to, you know, well, I have orgasm again, and he just like leans in with his face.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_06]: the place just erupted.
08:34 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_06]: So it was like, you knew you were going to be in for a ride now.
08:37 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_06]: So I always saw this.
08:38 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_07]: Just his face does it.
08:40 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
08:41 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_06]: So I go, I go with my son and his girlfriend.
08:43 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a friends and then we catch this opening night.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, and I'm my son and I are just dying next to each other.
08:50 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_06]: We're just like clutching each other laughing so hard.
08:53 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_06]: And Heather's like a couple of seats over and I'm like watching her and like I'm watching her laugh a lot, but I'm also watching her just give this like pensive looks like, oh, don't do that.
09:01 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_06]: It's
09:02 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_06]: So it was fun to kind of watch that angle of it because it's an onslaught of this type of stuff, right?
09:10 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And then I watched it a second time with the buddy who had, you know, was really excited to see it.
09:15 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And we were like, the only two in the theater and then like a couple came in like in the back.
09:21 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And so there wasn't this like uproarious response, but like I'm watching my buddy laugh at all those moments.
09:27 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think I told you I said, I came out of the second viewing.
09:32 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Not laughing as much because I was seen it as more of a horror experience and which was which was great because I'm like this is almost like a mood ring of movies like it's it's what you bring to it is what you're gonna get out of it like if you depending on what your mindset is so then I watched a third time when I purchased it and As I was just super into it I was like really watching like a lot of just the different symbols and all that stuff and then watching it this time again I laughed
10:00 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_06]: bad as hard as I did the first time around like I was just it was just in it's the little and this almost like I think you should leave sketch.
10:08 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_06]: We're like you'll laugh at certain things but then there'll be like just these little little jokes or these little sides that become bigger than the sketch itself.
10:17 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's where like thanks for the big takes.
10:21 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_06]: It's so so impossible.
10:24 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_07]: You may have this telling me, but when I let my hair down, they come to you, put me on the table.
10:28 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my, it's
10:30 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, just some of the like, you know, like the refrain, something that he would, he would, his imagination, I'm on the edge of life and the view is gorgeous.
10:38 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And then when he goes and he says it, when he's doing his, when he, when he, when he common deers, his wife's welcome home party.
10:45 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Again, the narcissism is just on absolute full display.
10:48 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_06]: He's in a room.
10:50 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_06]: He interrupts her.
10:50 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_07]: He interrupts her.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_06]: He interrupts her.
10:54 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Like he say, it's becoming a bit of a free for all.
11:00 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh no.
11:02 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I love this movie for a lot of reasons.
11:08 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Obviously I'm a big Tim Robinson fan.
11:10 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I think you should leave Detroiters.
11:12 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Some of the like the other little sketches you've seen him in what's it?
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_06]: is a documentary now that he's the boulder.
11:19 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_07]: He's the boulder.
11:21 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_07]: He does a great, he does a great SNL bit where he's John Teshis' brother.
11:26 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
11:27 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's so good.
11:28 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Fantastic stuff.
11:31 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
11:32 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And this movie is, it feels like it's sort of, I couldn't imagine this movie not being written with Tim Robinson specifically in mind, right?
11:39 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
11:40 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Because I couldn't even, I mean, I suppose you could do it.
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, for sure, do it and you'd get a different
11:45 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_06]: performance, but you would miss certain, like, classically Tim Robinson moments.
11:52 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Tim Robinson is, he's like, he's Tim Robinson, right?
11:57 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I mean, is there just something about his face and his intonations?
12:02 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's, it's just, how do you just, he's a one of one?
12:07 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know who I would put in this category.
12:11 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's funny because we talked about punch drunk love and I think that this is a really
12:15 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_06]: a good movie to you know, a lot of similar.
12:18 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
12:19 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
12:19 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_06]: So, but you, so you have a comedic actor like Adam Sandler and Tim Robinson are pretty much like, you know, I probably because Tim Robinson doesn't have like the the breadth of work that Adam Sandler does at this point, but like before Adam Sandler was doing anything dramatic at the four punch trunk love before on cut jams and all that.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you kind of knew what you were going to get, right?
12:42 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_06]: You could put him in a wig, or you could put him in a different scenario, you could give him maybe a different affect, but I mean, ultimately, you know, Adam Sandler wasn't disappearing into his roles.
12:52 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and in those parts, you know, it's sort of the Jimmy Fallon impression.
12:57 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like he's got three different voices, and they're all really funny.
13:03 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, he can do the little, you know, the squeaky guy who plays the flute or whatever.
13:11 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_07]: or Adam Sandler can do the guy that just yells, he's just angry, you know, he shudder.
13:18 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_07]: He does, he does three voices.
13:21 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_07]: And they're really good.
13:23 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_07]: They're really good.
13:24 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_07]: But for most of his movies, those three voices kind of became almost a happy Madison
13:32 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_07]: brand, right?
13:34 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, for sure.
13:35 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Tim Robinson.
13:36 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if he's got one.
13:39 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_07]: He's got a whole rainbow of weirdness, but right.
13:43 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's I think that's a great way to put it to there's a there's a weirdness to this character that.
13:49 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Even when it said it's most absurd feels plausible somehow.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's I think what makes this movie so unsettling.
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
14:01 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And because that's the thing, I mean, like this movie is I think this movie is hilarious, but I think it's so unsettling.
14:08 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_07]: And it really is and it sort of taps into this primal fear.
14:12 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's so much that he does in this movie, this just like, oh, that's the exact wrong thing to do.
14:17 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_07]: How can you be so stupid?
14:19 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_07]: But there's also a part of me that kind of feels like
14:23 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Man, that is talking about a feeling I don't think I've ever seen on screen before, right?
14:29 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_07]: Like the insecurity between an adult male and another male
14:38 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_07]: who feels out of his league, you know?
14:40 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
14:41 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, what is what are we doing here?
14:44 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, what is this weird feeling?
14:46 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_07]: And why does it feel primal?
14:49 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Why is it tapping into some kind of primal insecurity that is actually, it's kind of insightful.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know if I've seen it in the movie before.
15:01 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and it's a really, there's a lot of
15:05 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_06]: wonderful imagery and themes that are being played with some of them, like very clearly on the nose, but I think it's, it's a kind of needs to be.
15:13 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, there's something, but I use the word primal, because I mean, obviously that comes up with the, the homo erectus.
15:20 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that there's a lot of themes along this line.
15:24 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And then you've got, so then you have, you know, you have, she's a florist, right?
15:28 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And so she's like assembles these flowers and like she's like, there's this whole,
15:33 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_06]: you just have these, these two, you know, worlds, but at the same time, so you see this like, this, this Tim Robinson character, who's just gonna, you're sitting at chair every night.
15:47 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And so he's not like he's, so he's, he's the epitome of like whatever, whatever, a homo erectus, this was not what they were revolving towards.
15:56 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_06]: That was not what they thought anyway, right?
15:59 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_06]: building tools and now he's he works at a place that creates apps that make you feel sad or weird so that you don't.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_06]: You won't stop playing.
16:08 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and you.
16:12 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't know my schedule.
16:13 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's so much comedy.
16:15 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_07]: That scene right there is kind of crucial to understanding.
16:22 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_07]: sort of the central problem of this movie.
16:24 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_07]: So he comes home.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_07]: He wants to see a marble, right?
16:30 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but I love that reference.
16:32 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I love the reference.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not like there's a new marble movies.
16:34 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Like there's a new marble.
16:36 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I wonder if part of that is, you can't even refer to it as a movie.
16:41 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, they mentioned Hulk and Thanos and they do.
16:44 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_07]: You're right about that and Paul Rudd is Antman.
16:48 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_07]: and ball-ready is anything.
16:50 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_07]: So I think that there's something about that that's kind of hilarious that it doesn't really matter what the movie is.
16:57 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_07]: It's more Marvel is just a thing now.
17:01 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's supposed to be nuts.
17:03 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_07]: And people are going, we'll literally going crazy.
17:09 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_07]: And then she says, well, actually, Austin called and he invited you over for drinks and I said, you could go.
17:18 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_07]: And he's a little bit like, she said, like, I love how she, she's a, oh, given him an assignment.
17:23 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_07]: She's given them an assignment.
17:24 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_07]: It's, it's very classic, like,
17:27 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_07]: I can see your problem very clearly and I can see that you were never getting out of that chair unless I do something about it.
17:34 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_07]: And then she says, I'm gonna go to drinks with my ex boyfriend.
17:40 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_07]: And he immediately, like, this is the exact wrong thing to say.
17:46 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_07]: What he says is he talks to his son and says, your mother's abandoning us, we gotta go see this new Marvel movie.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't say,
17:56 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Can we talk about this.
17:58 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't say well he keeps he keeps appearing to forget he definitely it's almost like he just blocks it out like I don't think I can handle the implications of this right so I'm just going to pretend like nothing rather than not yet rather than not rather talk about it at all or confront the issue.
18:15 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_07]: he's clearly hurt by it but he also is like in this weird denial like makes makes her say it and it almost like I mean it is kind of something that I think I would do it's like I don't want to come across as the jealous male so it'd be better if I just kind of like make a joke about it like alright it's not that big of a deal I'm not I'm not I'm not threatened by this in fact right kind of hilarious you know or
18:41 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but he goes to step further and he doesn't like take her side and say, you know what actually this makes me feel jealous and what is it that you're missing from our relationship that makes you want to hang out with your ex boyfriend.
18:56 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Having drinks at a bar, right?
18:58 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not this is not a lunch date.
19:01 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_07]: He invited her for drinks.
19:03 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to go out and have drinks, why not say, hey, do you want to go out and have drinks, right?
19:07 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's kind of a current throughout this movie is that like,
19:10 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_06]: You say we never do anything, but like, the movie is very careful to not make, this isn't just Craig Waterman is a nightmare human, I mean, for sure.
19:23 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_06]: You kind of see, but there's a lot of circumstances and other people are contributing to some of this as well, right?
19:30 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like, we don't know how much just communicated, right?
19:34 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_06]: We don't know how much, but there is, there is this element of like, but you are
19:39 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_06]: willingly going with your ex, uh, you know, kind of on like a pseudo date, you know, and, and that, well, I believe that she's saying is kind of a cry for help.
19:51 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I would agree.
19:52 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And like, maybe she's doing that intentionally.
19:53 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_07]: You can kind of see like, she's tried to talk to him alone a couple times.
19:58 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_07]: It hasn't worked.
19:58 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_07]: And now she's talking to support groups about, right, her lack of orgasm.
20:05 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
20:05 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_07]: And lack of car and, you know, all of the things that she's like, look, I'm unprofile, I am unfulfilled.
20:12 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_07]: And this Joker refuses to listen to me even post cancer.
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, right.
20:21 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I have no more.
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_07]: I just don't have the filters I used to have.
20:27 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_07]: before I had cancer.
20:29 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_07]: And now I do have the filters and I am not willing to put up with this guys bullshit anymore.
20:36 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's kind of like, I don't, you know, I never, and what's kind of the movie is also very careful about is we don't get a sense that she's unfaithful.
20:46 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_06]: We don't get a sense that she is even really attracted to Devon, but
20:51 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_06]: He's there for her.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And he is, uh, he's a shark in the water smelling blood.
20:56 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, sure.
20:57 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_06]: But from her perspective, it's also like, look, I'm going to do this.
21:00 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, maybe this will get a rise out of you.
21:03 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
21:04 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, when are you going to step up right and not just be sort of passive aggressive on the chair?
21:09 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_06]: But there's so the opening in that support group is so, is so great too, because it's such an easy way to see like she's, she's
21:20 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_06]: She's recovering from cancer.
21:22 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_06]: She's terrified, you know, she's the same.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_06]: She's scared that it's gonna come back and he's like, no, it's not.
21:26 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's so like, it's dismissive.
21:31 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_07]: It's dismissive, but he thinks he's being support.
21:33 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_07]: Your feelings have no basis in reality.
21:37 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's just grin and move on with their lives.
21:40 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_07]: I need to sit in this chair more and go see a marble every now and again.
21:43 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
21:44 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_06]: When he says, when they ask him how he's doing, he goes, everything's awesome.
21:48 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, that's an amazing statement, right?
21:50 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_06]: because even if he's faking it or making it up like read the room or at least to your right, you know, like, Tammy deserves a parade.
22:00 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_06]: She deserves a parade and I'll give her one later.
22:06 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, she she's she's scared.
22:11 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_06]: She's she has needs that are not being
22:15 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_06]: met both physically and, you know, like, just in terms of, like, a need to new vehicle for her job.
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_06]: This is her job.
22:21 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_06]: So she is.
22:23 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's not giving her any of these things.
22:26 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's not even giving her, you know, the, the empathy that she's, that she's scared.
22:33 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, we just everything is like, I mean, we get, we get introduced to his, his, uh, cluelessness and his selfishness real early.
22:41 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_07]: And yet there's all, you could also kind of see it from his perspective.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like this guy grew up in northern Michigan.
22:49 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_07]: And he probably is sitting in the chair just like his dad did.
22:54 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, guys go and see Marvel movies.
22:57 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_07]: He probably just doesn't have the emotional equipment to meet her where she needs to be met.
23:02 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And then she doesn't even know that he doesn't even know that they kiss on the lips.
23:05 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And his reaction is so
23:10 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_07]: amazing because he's just like what you can kind of see like she's a little nuts and you can kind of like she's earned her nuts like she's a she's the cancer survivor and she has to live with him but then on the other side you're like they're selling their house like let's get that done before we buy a new car you can kind of see his perspective
23:34 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_07]: on a few of these issues.
23:37 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's he's absurd, but I kind of relate to him because I'm a little bit absurd when it comes to these things.
23:45 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
23:45 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_07]: And so this movie kind of like, it's kind of poking at a few little bits about masculinity that like, yeah, I can kind of see myself there.
23:55 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_07]: That's a little bit me.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_07]: That is a little bit me.
23:59 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and I think that is so the insecure male is
24:04 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_06]: It's an interesting way to frame a film right to frame it through their lens and and I, you know, there are certain things that like our guy humor that are just sort of like their sort of label my wife a label certain things.
24:20 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is guy even like, I mean, I, I see the humor, but I can see what, but like I think you got to be a guy to really.
24:26 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_06]: like this or whatever.
24:27 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's kind of a broad brush painting, but like I think that well, I think there was probably twenty, thirty years of animal house style humor.
24:38 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
24:39 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I think there's guy humor, but I think there's a certain relatability to it that's almost, I think that might be why it's kind of unnerving to watch.
24:49 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Because if you want to think if he was just this like weird character doing weird stuff for no good reason, but
24:56 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_06]: But the, you know, male insecurity is a fascinating thing.
24:59 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think we see that there's male insecurity all around him as well.
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody's interaction, reaction to him.
25:06 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_06]: It, it reveals something about these people too, right?
25:11 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like there's this, when he refers himself as a lone wolf and like all the guys at work, they kind of all, they have a camaraderie and a unity, maybe just,
25:22 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_06]: against him, but they did against him.
25:25 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think he's their boss.
25:27 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_06]: That's kind of what I'm getting because they were all in his office and like you got to make the choice of who his team was.
25:34 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And so he's, he's, you know, he's an awkward guy.
25:40 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And these guys are a little more alpha, right?
25:43 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_06]: And so they don't have a problem calling them out or picking on them.
25:48 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_06]: And so there's that.
25:49 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_06]: group and then you have this other group of guys that he's sort of gets involved in and there's this, you know, this, this sense of like open vulnerability and sort of kind of breaking down some of the, some of the, the old school, sitting the chair and Michigan, you know, traits.
26:07 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like our fathers weren't necessarily getting together and, and
26:11 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_06]: and sharing about their fears or, you know, what they, you know, what they were dealing with as parents and encouraging each other singing like that's just not happening, right?
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a kind of a fantasy at that point.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, he goes, he goes to drinks with Paul Rudd for the first time.
26:29 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_07]: And he kind of like, I can't believe this cool guy.
26:35 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_07]: has taken an interest in me and it's kind of something that has been missing for my life that I kind of didn't know I needed.
26:44 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_07]: And then the second even where he meets all the friends.
26:54 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_07]: It's such a fantasy.
26:55 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like these guys get together.
26:59 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_07]: and they talk about their vulnerabilities and they sing to one another.
27:03 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_07]: They're like really emotionally mature and they can have fun, like kids again.
27:10 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like the perfect male friend group and it's almost like a unicorn.
27:15 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, do these things really exist?
27:18 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_07]: And to see his face in that circle when they start singing,
27:26 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_07]: It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.
27:32 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got you on my mind.
27:36 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Just secret at my end.
27:40 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been watching you.
27:45 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think of you.
27:48 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to be your baby.
27:54 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Because at this point, he's the fish out of the water and they're the weirdos.
28:03 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_07]: But he kind of attracted to it.
28:05 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_07]: This is really weird.
28:06 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_07]: Is this a cult?
28:08 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_07]: And if so, can I join?
28:09 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Because this is kind of amazing.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
28:12 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And the thing is is that what I love about this movie is it almost takes that thing and says, don't believe it.
28:23 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I can do this whole thing is just it's like, is that this is a, you know, you let me in too fast and it's like, yes, you know, and it's like, and there is something kind of, I mean, yeah, he's super awkward and they do their boxing thing, but he's like, Paul Rudd does full on just just
28:43 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Crackham twice, right?
28:44 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, okay.
28:45 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
28:45 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_07]: This is, this is very typical, right?
28:48 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, we, we've hung out with friends a lot, where something like this has kind of happened, kind of frat boy mode.
28:57 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_07]: Once the last time you like put on boxing gloves and like, Spardust someone.
29:01 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_07]: You don't, you don't know how fast it's going to escalate.
29:04 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_07]: And maybe you don't know this person well enough to know what he's going to be like if you punch him in the face.
29:10 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Totally.
29:11 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and there's also something to be said to for I love the juxtaposition, right?
29:14 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_06]: They have this wonderful moment of like they sing and they're vulnerable and there's tears and it's like, all right, let's go compensate.
29:22 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, let's go back to let's go back to let's go back to to be in dudes dudes being dudes, right?
29:28 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_06]: And I love the, you know, he, so then he's sucker punches because he doesn't, and he doesn't know any, like he doesn't know any better, right?
29:35 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_06]: But we're, but we're something's obviously revealed, right?
29:39 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_06]: He's revealing it.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, there's some, there's some pent-up stuff here, right?
29:42 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_06]: So he gets, he leaves that his anger and he kind of lets it out and then when he decides to self-finish.
29:50 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Very, very, over the soap into the child.
29:53 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_07]: As soon as he punches Paul Rudd, from that point on, the movie to my mind becomes a psychological horror.
30:01 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I agree.
30:03 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_07]: And immediately like, there's been a line crossed.
30:08 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_07]: when you can't go back.
30:09 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_07]: And you have even tinkering with some kind of primal magic, some kind of mystical insight into masculinity that goes back millennia.
30:25 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_07]: And you didn't know how powerful that magic was.
30:30 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_07]: And then you cross to line any kind of idea that you might have to solve this monster that you've you've woken up.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not going to help.
30:42 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_07]: He immediately thinks if I can just make them laugh again by being absurd with the soap in my mouth and you know funny face, I can just get over this.
30:55 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not working, and you're looking more and more.
30:57 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't look ridiculous.
31:01 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_07]: You look insane.
31:04 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_07]: And now that you've conjured a monster from the depths of the male psyche, and you are powerless against it, anything that you can do to try to solve this social situation is only going to make it worse.
31:19 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_07]: And now he's crazy.
31:21 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know if it's like, he's not just dealing with the monster of the friend group, which he's trying to conquer.
31:29 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_07]: He's sort of trying to deal with the duality of himself at that point.
31:34 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe he's the villain of this whole story.
31:37 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_06]: He even says that later, right?
31:39 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_06]: He sells the guys.
31:39 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, you guys the bad guy.
31:43 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_06]: And then he goes, but you're not.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_07]: But I know you're not.
31:47 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_06]: So, but like I love this, I love the framing too of like the introduction of going back to that fossil, going back to the rock and and the hand axe, right, and how Paul Rudd sort of, you know, now that we've got this in our hands, we're united with this ancient world.
32:09 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_07]: And well, and you've got chanting, you've got, you've got some, like, like, primal chanting in the background, talking about how they're, they're like,
32:17 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_06]: relating, they're trying to interact with the world that is trying to swallow them up, right?
32:24 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_06]: And this big glowing orange ball in the sky and all that, right?
32:27 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_06]: So like just this idea that like, they're, they are on this planet and they do not have the capacity to even understand what's going on.
32:36 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_06]: So they're just, they make it up as they go along and that's how you evolve, right?
32:40 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Which means
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_06]: not everybody evolves.
32:42 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And so you kind of have this sense of like this is involved in masculineity.
32:46 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's behind the curve.
32:50 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Paul Rudd in this is he's kind of like the mystic, right?
32:55 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_07]: He's going to forge for mushrooms.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_07]: He may not even have a phone.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_07]: And he's interested.
33:00 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_07]: He wants to be curious.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_07]: And he's going to break some rules.
33:04 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_07]: And he's part of a punk band.
33:05 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_07]: He's sort of the guide.
33:08 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_07]: like I'm going to I'm going to guide you into this weird thing called masculine and I'm going to show you what this world could be like if you take advice from those who are in places you want that's right that's right even like the the the scene where they they've gone through city hall now they're on the roof and they're smoking cigarettes
33:28 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_07]: It's such a small little gesture, but it's like, there's something about, we've conquered fire.
33:37 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to keep it on this little stick and suck in the smoke because this is what, this is what it means to be the bald male.
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
33:47 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's, I think that there's a part of it that's really attractive because what's the alternative?
33:53 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_07]: The alternative is sitting in my chair at night with my disappointed wife wondering when I'm gonna buy her the vehicle or care about her emotional needs and every now and again I kind of like see a marvel.
34:11 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_07]: The world that he's been living in becomes gray and pale and pathetic in comparison to what this mystic has shown him.
34:21 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, his outfit, the first thing we see him in is like in the Travis page, like just he's just all khaki.
34:30 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_07]: Ocean.
34:35 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_07]: There's a scene.
34:35 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_07]: All right, there's a scene that I didn't catch before, but when he loses his shoe in the sewer, you can kind of like see into the like, oh, the ocean that you're dining label.
34:46 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_07]: The ocean, the dining label.
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm the insolent of the shoe.
34:50 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
34:53 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, so here's the thing, I think that's fascinating too, right?
34:56 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_06]: So we were looking through the lens of Tim Robinson and
34:59 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_06]: I read and review that was critical saying that they didn't like it because it felt like the movie didn't know what it was doing with the Paul Rudd character because he changes so many times.
35:09 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Like he becomes a different person each time and I'm like, oh, I don't think you got the point.
35:13 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's very intentional in this movie because while we're we're hyper focused on Craig Waterman and his journey around him is or like kind of context clues as to why this journey is difficult.
35:28 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_06]: because he's enamored with this Paul Rudd character because he's like a set rock band, he's on television.
35:36 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, these are like, what would impress this guy?
35:39 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Everything about this guy, right?
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he, this guy lives a different life.
35:44 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_06]: He's on the television, which he obviously favors.
35:47 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_06]: He is, you know, he's in a band, he's
35:51 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_06]: He knows how to circumvent city hall, so to say.
35:53 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_07]: He knows how to forge mushrooms.
35:56 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, as soon as Tim Robinson loses his phone, he's like, I'm looking at a free man.
36:01 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_07]: Like he, he's figured it out.
36:04 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_07]: He's figured out how to be in this world.
36:07 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_07]: How to be in corporate America, but not be of corporate America.
36:11 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
36:11 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_07]: He's evolved.
36:13 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, I mean, look at it.
36:14 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the idea and what you find out is a bit of a, of a lie, but
36:19 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_06]: for Paul Rudd to be like, I don't have a phone and Tim Robinson's world is entirely like his job is to make people more dependent on the phone.
36:32 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And so here's a guy sitting right in front of them that he admires that's like, man, I'm outside of your world so much that even your primary existence as a breadwinner means nothing to me.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_06]: It can't even impact me.
36:47 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_06]: But then you find out later he has one, right?
36:49 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And when he is, you know, up against it, when he, when you find out that he's not the cool guy at all, like I mean, the way that he's getting berated, you know, from the morning news team and having to put on these little costumes and all this stuff.
37:06 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And then he, of course, he got a phone.
37:07 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, when he's up against it, he doesn't have the opportunity to be cool guy, punk rock band, man, anymore, and it's for a different mushrooms.
37:15 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_06]: he's just another cog and so but you know Craig Waterman can't see that he can't see that that's crumbling around him he's just sort of like oh that's so cool you're wearing makeup you know there's something that's really like there's a really interesting masculinity moment right where I won't tell you why it's like but like you would know that he's wearing makeup because you know if you know anything about television or whatever but like
37:39 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_06]: he's he's he's evolving so to speak and he's trying to figure out well what do you what does it mean to be a man right I mean even when he puts a cigarette in his mouth and he goes wrong because he's like that's what they didn't move is right and so it's he's just workshopping the idea of being not just a friend of it being a man friend and it's and it's a fascinatingly cringey thing to go through and then you see Paul Rudd
38:04 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_06]: He's vain.
38:05 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_06]: He's not who he says he is with because he's wearing a wig.
38:09 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, at this point in the movie, I think he becomes kind of blind to any flaws that Rudd has.
38:20 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_07]: he kind of starts living in his own world he kind of starts fantasizing like maybe I could get the drums and I could be on stage you know I could be in this punk band or you know there's there's that fantasy of like a post apocalyptic situation where he saves Rudd and you know he brings the wood to the fire and he's wearing night vision goggles
38:45 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_07]: even give him credit for the speed bumps again.
38:48 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's right.
38:50 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_07]: He he can't see Rudd for who he is because at this point he's already invested in the persona that and he sees he sees the persona is maybe like that's my ticket to being cool.
39:03 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and that's and this is consistent with this character because he's seen what he wants to see and like and he's not
39:10 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_06]: catching any of this nuance he's not reading between any of the lines and what's that's so it's not just his blind spots with his wife it's just his blind spots in general which we find out I believe later the movie reveals to us that this is the man suffering from narcissistic personality disorder.
39:26 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh absolutely and there's a great scene where you know he's also fantasizing about his son giving him a haircut or something and he
39:36 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't that that's supposedly really I don't know but his sense as I think that you'll be a beautiful older man Yeah, and he goes you mean that I know what he says is I really hope you really hope you mean that yeah reacts
39:54 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_07]: He is, yes, right.
39:55 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_07]: So he is narcissistic for sure.
39:57 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_06]: But of course Paul Rudd, I just started pulling up some quotes because I wanted to find something specific.
40:03 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And God, there's just so many things.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so many things.
40:06 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_07]: This movie is so incredible.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_07]: But you are totally right.
40:09 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Paul Rudd also has lots of flaws.
40:13 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_07]: And they're very, they're very, it's very clear.
40:15 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_07]: The movie is very clear that this is he is not the person he's performing himself to be early on.
40:22 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Which is kind of a sort of foreshadowing the riff that they will have later.
40:28 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_07]: And this of course culminates in one of the biggest sort of plot shifts in the film.
40:35 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_07]: And that is their both in jail because he's lost his wife in the sewer.
40:43 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_07]: your job.
40:44 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_07]: So your job holding back.
40:47 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_07]: What do I pay taxes for?
40:49 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_07]: So he's not just wife in the sewer and now they're both in jail and he slips on jail piss.
41:02 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Again, very
41:05 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Very male situation.
41:06 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's it's it's the overflowing urine.
41:10 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yes, Paul rides looks on jail piss and falls down and all of a sudden The two pay comes off and I kind of watch this movie like it's a horror movie.
41:23 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_07]: It's sort of like all of a sudden There's a like a little chink in the armor
41:30 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_07]: maybe maybe we could conquer this monster with this insignificant little detail about it that we've just learned.
41:40 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_07]: And of course, for, you know, in terms of the sort of the bromance of it, it's like now we share a secret and I've seen your deep insecurity.
41:50 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_07]: And I can be trusted with it.
41:52 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, but then, and then we learned from Paul Rudd that like sort of in the following scene when he calls him.
41:59 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, I really keep thinking about, you know, your wife and hope everything's okay.
42:04 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, and you're like, oh, what a shift back.
42:07 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, nope, he is trying to make sure that he's not going to reveal a secret.
42:13 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, as long as we're friends, I, my secret is right.
42:16 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_06]: So Paul Rudd, that's a moment where his character becomes far more complicated.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think you realize, like, okay, this is
42:29 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_06]: You never really were gonna give like that a better, less narcissistic person would have gone.
42:35 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_06]: So I was chasing this guy.
42:39 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is what I was just as foolish as anyone else in my life.
42:44 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_07]: And I shouldn't put him on a pedestal anymore.
42:48 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_07]: But instead he gets excited because he's back.
42:51 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he's I had a little taste of this cult like.
42:57 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_07]: inner circle of male friendship and I just need I just need more of it.
43:02 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_07]: I got to get any in any way possible.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_07]: I need back in the inner circle.
43:07 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I love I love that like the one thing that he does that sort of independent out of all of this is Rick's bar.
43:13 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_06]: And to see the team six meal like just becomes a constant thing for him like
43:20 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_06]: like that's because it's also like, it's like, well, hey, I'm a guy, look at what I just looked up.
43:25 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I mean, he's just going into this hyper masculine mode.
43:30 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
43:30 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_07]: And the sealed team six guys can down twenty thousand calories in a meal.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe they killed a som.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe we can do it too.
43:41 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_07]: I love, all right.
43:42 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_07]: So I'm kind of curious about Tammy, right?
43:46 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_07]: This is Tammy's played by Kate Mara.
43:49 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that in a normal situation, you could almost blame her for spending so much time with her ex boyfriend.
43:58 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_07]: But she does it openly.
44:02 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think like we said before, I think it's it's a little bit like when am I going to provoke any emotion out of you?
44:12 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
44:13 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think you're I think you're supposed to really empathize with her, but there are a few things that she does that make me think.
44:19 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, geez.
44:20 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_07]: This is you you're playing with fire here.
44:24 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I think and I I think I said I think the movie's very careful to not completely like I don't think she because is a very interesting character if she doesn't have some level of of of of fall or culpability.
44:39 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, she certainly not the reason
44:42 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_06]: why Jim Robinson behaves the way he does.
44:47 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, it is, again, we don't know to what degree they've had conversations and she's just like, well, you know what, you never pick up after yourself.
44:57 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just going to keep on leaving stuff on the floor until it piles up and see if you're moved at all.
45:01 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, kind of, you kind of understand that element, right?
45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Where it's just like, look, I mean, you're completely detached and
45:09 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_06]: If I can't even get you to get fired up because I'm going to go hang out with them.
45:12 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_06]: But that she says over and over again, she's like, do you even listen to me?
45:17 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, he's like, who?
45:20 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, and so those are moments where it's like, it's a real interesting look into to their dynamic because like you said, she's putting it out there in the open.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_06]: She's not making a secret about it.
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And then when he says, who you're like, well, are you
45:35 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_06]: completely dense, or are you this much in denial, we should probably explore this, right?
45:41 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_06]: And so, but she's just like, she's very exhausted, right?
45:44 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, she's survived cancer.
45:46 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_06]: She's got a job that, you know, would be a lot easier if you would just do the thing that she's been asking for.
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's just not happened.
45:57 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, I mean, we'll get to this.
45:59 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_07]: Her performance is, it's so perfect.
46:05 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_07]: It's so invested she's totally committed to the part.
46:09 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, she just, she's such a perfect straight man for this part.
46:14 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_07]: And so when she delivers the, I had the, I had no orgasm in the sewer.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my god, such a good answer.
46:23 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, when I watched this in the theater, it was like me and Sarah in the back laughing.
46:30 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_07]: And there was a, there were maybe a few chuckles throughout the theater.
46:34 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_07]: But it was clear that people didn't really know what they were getting into.
46:39 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_06]: yeah oh man first time I saw this the place it was like a party they're so much laughter like this
46:45 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_07]: When I went, everybody that was there was therefore okay was well for us it was like There was just a couple chuckles and but then when she says I hadn't orgasm in the sewer the whole place just lost it It was it was I mean everyone got it and That seemed doesn't work unless she delivers it
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_07]: perfectly straight-faced.
47:12 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_07]: It's almost like, you know, just the very thought of being free of you made me quiver all over.
47:19 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, all the totally, right?
47:21 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's, and that's such a compelling moment because, uh, like, he's pushing her to the edge, right?
47:29 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Again, in, in this whole sewer scene, like he's just trying to force his, he's trying to, he's like, he, he is so,
47:37 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_06]: narcissistic and so self-centered that he's like, well, this is a thing that I really liked and I was very impressed by.
47:43 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I want to one, I want to be able to take credit for because I want to be able to be that Paul Rudd to somebody else.
47:48 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And it doesn't even matter that it's my wife and I'm not meeting her needs like, well, you say we never do anything.
47:53 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, this isn't what she was asking for.
47:57 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_06]: You're wife complaining that that you guys don't do anything is not code for should we go trespass into the sewers and get lost?
48:05 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like that's just not on the table, right?
48:08 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And so he's just, but in his mind, he's like, I like this and therefore you should like this and like even blames are like, oh, it's complain.
48:15 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_06]: We don't do anything.
48:16 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And how we're doing something, it's like, but that's, I mean, that's not hearing her.
48:21 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_06]: That's not hearing what she's complaining about.
48:24 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_07]: And also, it's maybe, maybe figure it out ahead of time.
48:29 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe she would enjoy an adventure like that.
48:32 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_07]: But what my favorite line is, she's walking through the sewers and she's like, is this piss?
48:42 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_07]: And he says, some of it.
48:45 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that.
48:51 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_06]: That should come.
48:55 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
48:56 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah.
48:58 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_06]: So I love the juxtaposition to the Bloody Nose and the orgasm, right?
49:02 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So there are two spontaneous, you know, physical, you know, biological activities that happen to each of them in like a waken in moments, right?
49:13 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And for him, he gets, and like she says, so you never got a bloody nose, right?
49:19 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_06]: The whole, I mean, she's very good at, like, this character's like letting us know about his journey.
49:25 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, you don't, you don't like music.
49:27 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_07]: You're all the sudden, you like punk rock.
49:30 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_07]: You don't even like a music.
49:33 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And they, there are, I mean, I'm kind of all over the place, but she's so fantastic.
49:38 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_06]: The character's so fantastic.
49:40 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_06]: They're back and forth when they
49:41 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_06]: right before she gives the reveal about you know the sewer orgasm and and like he's just forcing this this dinner on honor that
49:55 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_06]: You kind of get the sense she didn't really tell him maybe that she had plans and she doesn't care that she didn't tell him.
50:01 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_06]: She's like, she's so pretty.
50:03 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, she's kind of like, you're kind of, I'm gonna live my life and you're not in any more really.
50:13 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
50:14 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_06]: It was a it was a clear clear for her and when they're, but they're like, you know, when she's he's he's so passive aggressive and I saw it on the old idiot box, it's like,
50:25 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Like he had it like, he negates her moment by diminishing the medium, right?
50:33 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Like you like TV, you even said, oh, watch this commercial, this guy's hilarious, right?
50:39 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's like, so you don't have a relationship with television.
50:43 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_06]: In fact, you talk to the coolest thing in the world that your friend is a weatherman on that very television.
50:49 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_06]: So diminishes that, but then she says something's like, are you wearing a perfume?
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's
50:55 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Why would she say it that way, right?
50:56 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, she picks at him, but she she feminizes it, right?
51:02 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Like such an interesting way to sort of pick at him where he was at.
51:07 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And like, but that shows where their relationship dynamic had like kind of come to.
51:12 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just just little picks and little nits and it's just it's clearly dysfunctional and
51:19 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_06]: kind of hitting each other where they're vulnerable in a very micro.
51:23 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_07]: It's one of those things that becomes, you know, once the relationship is basically over and at this point it's basically over.
51:31 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_07]: All of those other filters where you're trying to preserve the other person's feelings, they kind of don't matter anymore.
51:40 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_07]: And then, you know, you hit a chink, you know, you hit a nerve every now and again.
51:48 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And then, of course, if you get something bigger, well, there's a really interesting point in there where, you know, she's getting all, she's going to get attention from the TV people.
51:57 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And then he was like, well, I know if I hadn't been taking you down there, you really wouldn't be in the situation.
52:02 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And he wants kind of to take credit for this awful thing.
52:07 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And, but it's bigger than that because had he not done that, she might not have ever had her realization.
52:13 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And she may have just been like her mother and stuck with him forever.
52:16 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And so,
52:19 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_06]: it's funny because he's trying to be like, oh, I kind of did your favor.
52:22 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, you don't even realize maybe the favor you actually ended up doing because now she's just going to just leave you.
52:28 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and now she can be completely at that point.
52:31 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_07]: She looks at him like, I can't believe I've been with you for this long.
52:34 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to tell you, I am done.
52:39 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_07]: The very thought of being free of you has given me an orgasm.
52:43 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to move into
52:46 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_07]: the pool house.
52:49 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_07]: That's my ex boyfriend, the firefighter, Devon.
52:53 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_07]: It's an absolute smoke show.
52:59 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_07]: So, okay, one of the funniest scenes in this movie is, I just can't not laugh at this scene.
53:16 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_09]: It's like ice cream on a hot summer day.
53:20 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_09]: I told.
53:22 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Don't pop it.
53:23 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_09]: You look at your popper.
53:27 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Keith, can you stay with me?
53:30 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.
53:31 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I need to go get some rollers in a red ball.
53:34 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_09]: It's time for you to touch God.
53:36 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_09]: This is your shot.
53:36 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Good.
53:47 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, big leg.
53:49 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Let you big?
53:51 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_09]: Fuck, let you big?
54:03 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Love you, Todd Boy.
54:07 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Steve Boy.
54:08 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you, Steve Boy.
54:10 --> 54:11 [UNKNOWN]: Hey.
54:14 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_10]: I actually did a little work for Red Bull.
54:16 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_10]: They were so mean to me.
54:19 --> 54:21 [UNKNOWN]: That's so fun.
54:21 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_05]: It's so funny.
54:24 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, so what happens next?
54:27 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_07]: Number one, I love you, Todd Boy is so funny.
54:30 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_07]: It's so funny.
54:31 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like you don't even know this guy's name.
54:34 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_07]: And all of a sudden you're, you know, you love him.
54:37 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_07]: But to me, I missed so much of that scene the first time because I was laughing so much.
54:41 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh, it's so fantastic.
54:44 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_07]: I got to go get Carlos and a red bull.
54:48 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It's time for you to kiss God.
54:54 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, I did some work for red bull.
54:56 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_06]: There's so many to me.
54:59 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Then he goes into the hallucination.
55:04 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's basically an ad placement for a subway.
55:09 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's gonna, he's, you know, he's basically gonna get the black forced hand.
55:14 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_07]: He's in line with subway.
55:16 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_07]: It's the whole movie kind of screeches to a halt.
55:20 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_07]: He decides he's gonna get wild.
55:22 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_07]: Soast the sub.
55:24 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_07]: And get the, get his foot long subway toasted.
55:28 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_07]: And many abruptly wakes up.
55:31 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you get the answers you needed?
55:33 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_07]: No, I ordered a sandwich.
55:38 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_07]: He went in for an Iowa experience and he basically had a subway, a subway sandwich.
55:48 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_06]: So I love that so much because it features an older version of Paul Rudd.
55:57 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_06]: They are familiar with each other.
55:59 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_07]: He knows the sandwich order.
56:02 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_06]: He knows the sandwich order, which means he comes here all the time.
56:06 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Interesting that Paul Rudd is aged and he works at Subway, right?
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_06]: And Tim Robinson is the same age.
56:16 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_06]: There's so much in there that's just fascinating that like unlocking like a lot of times with with the hallucinogenic and psychedelic experiences, you're unlocking something, right?
56:25 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, typically.
56:27 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is the best that his subconscious could provide.
56:34 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I love that so much.
56:37 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_07]: Is there any relationship that is more superficial than the subway?
56:41 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Or what would you say?
56:42 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Which is the same artist who happens to remember your order and you feel a sense of intimacy with the person.
56:51 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_07]: I remember you and I remember something about you.
56:55 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Like the most, like in this hallucinogenic trip, he changes his order slightly at the end by asking for it to be toasted.
57:05 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_06]: It's good wild and he never gets sandwiched.
57:07 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's important.
57:08 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_06]: He never gets the sandwich.
57:10 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_06]: He says, I ordered a sandwich.
57:12 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't eat a sandwich.
57:14 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_06]: He just orders it.
57:16 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_06]: The last thing he does is change the order slightly and then he wakes up.
57:21 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Now,
57:22 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_06]: I haven't read anything about this anywhere else, but I just had a, if they're watching us, them all, everything that happens after that and all, is it, is that real?
57:31 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_07]: Or is he still interesting?
57:32 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
57:34 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_07]: It'd be interesting to watch it with with with that lens because there is a little bit of fantasy that continues after that with them, right?
57:42 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Because that's when that's when the, when him and the wife, everything is seems to be like coming back together again.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, it's, um,
57:52 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It's it's so funny.
57:54 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_06]: It is and the toad works in mysterious ways.
57:56 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_06]: A frog rip me off.
58:00 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, man, I laughed so hard.
58:07 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_07]: So he, all right, so this is again a horror movie trope is that you think that you've conquered the monster.
58:16 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_07]: It's possible.
58:17 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_07]: It's possible that you have returned to at least a cordial relationship with your next door neighbor.
58:25 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_07]: And maybe you got your wife back.
58:26 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_07]: Because they have the whole restaurant scene.
58:31 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_07]: They share that kind of secret.
58:33 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_07]: We actually told the restaurant that it's our son's birthday.
58:36 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_07]: So they've got that little bit of intimacy.
58:39 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_07]: He gets to play the part of the husband who's defending his wife's honor.
58:45 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, you know, you get, you get to that, you know, he stands up.
58:49 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_07]: I think you should apologize to her.
58:52 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_07]: He, although he immediately wants to go.
58:55 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_07]: We got to go.
58:56 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_07]: We got to go.
58:57 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Logicals, we got to get out of here.
58:59 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_07]: I made it.
58:59 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I made a mistake.
59:01 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_07]: So they go home and everything's going to be fine.
59:05 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_07]: And then all the sudden, it's like, I got to go out and get candles.
59:09 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_07]: He hears that punk rock music again.
59:11 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_07]: And every time in this movie, the punk rock music plays, he's about to escalate.
59:18 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
59:19 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_07]: And you're going to tap into something primal and you're not going to be able to control it.
59:24 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's when he goes next door and basically ruins his life.
59:28 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
59:29 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_07]: Like you just, you thought it was back together.
59:31 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_07]: It was getting close.
59:33 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_07]: If he does nothing weird,
59:36 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_07]: He might actually get his wife back.
59:39 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, the symbolism that even his speed bumps try to stop him.
59:46 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
59:47 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
59:48 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And his speed bumps end up his his either forgetting about it or ignoring them causes the new van to get ruined and and he just walks right out of it.
59:59 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's like the the the the absolute laser focus of blind like insanity is is
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_06]: just on full display.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I think, so the sequence where, from a spaghetti Freddy's, all the way to where he goes to get candles is, I think what makes this movie go from really great to borderline brilliant.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_06]: I think the performance is between, Tim Robinson and Kate Marra are just absolutely wonderful in there.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And the directing, all the way from, when they're in the van,
01:00:36 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And you know, the sun wants to watch your movie and you want to come over and then like the way Tim Robinson sort of shrugs like I buy this Maybe we're going to make this work But they pull it off in a way that feels like so incredibly authentic to the point where I'm like I almost feel it like I like it's such a a an easy way to
01:01:02 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_06]: to have this little awkward back and forth where they're just kind of maybe, you know, like they're almost flirting.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_07]: They're almost rekindling that beginning phase.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_07]: They're punching each other in the stomach.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_07]: She's noticed that he's lost a little bit of weight.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_07]: It could be that she's just crazy enough to try to make it work with her again.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's in any other type of movie.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_06]: This is the finale.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is one of the problems with a lot of like romcoms, especially when you're looking at like, and again, not to pick on like an Adam Sandler or whatever, but you see that a lot where, you know, Guy goes crazy, Guy does awful things.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Finally does all the things right and the woman's like, cool, let's just do that.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's everything's fine.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_07]: I'll get all of your temper tantrums.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_07]: You seem to have figured it out for five minutes.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's get together.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_06]: It took you what took you like sixteen years of not being able to figure out.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_06]: You just crammed for the final and now you pass the class.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's go.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And so, but the way that they do it is very like they're playing with the trope, but they and you could easily
01:02:13 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_06]: satirized or or do a parody of it, but they lean into it in a way that almost makes that trophy thing the most believable I'd ever seen it before because like because in your mind you're like, well, he can't just make up for all that stuff now, but the way that they're they're acting the way that it's framed the way that the child like the sun is is kind of a central part of it and like they're kind of using it well, I guess we're here for him, but they're like to start it's it is so well done.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_06]: They're genuinely enjoying each other.
01:02:42 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, because when she does the, you want to, you know, you want to, you want to, you want to feel it, you know, and like that moment of like that next level of flirtation, the next level of like, well, if I'm inviting you to put your hand on me in a familiar way, there's, there's something's changing where, you know, a door is opened and it's, and everything there is like, you just kind of get locked in and then
01:03:08 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the monster that you thought was dead, the monster was back, right?
01:03:13 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_06]: So, oh my god, what an amazing finish after the, and then it is, and it's some of the funniest stuff in the movie happens right after.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_07]: So he comes in the back, comes in the same sliding glass story broker layer.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_07]: He immediately goes to the fridge, grabs two beers, and has a little speech.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And if you got a new guy, oh my god, I keep thinking about your busty little daughter that everyone keeps staring at.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_07]: He kind of apologised again, it's like dude, this is not work.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:05 [SPEAKER_07]: First, you've reminded everyone in this room why they didn't invite you.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_07]: This is exactly why they didn't invite you.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_07]: You were just always going to make things weird.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_07]: And then you try to apologize.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_07]: And in the midst of your apology, you want them to ask you questions to get to know you better as you have a gun in your hand.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Again, that you stole from this place.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, it's this wonderful, full circle of like, not only did everything go south with him in Austin, but, you know, the whole, this, a lot of this escalates because there was a break in and this gun was stolen.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, right.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_07]: So that's part of the obsession part of it.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that this kind of taps into the, the, the mystic guide thing.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like Paul Rudd was your mystic guide.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_07]: You unlocked some monster from the ancient world.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_07]: called male insecurity, and now you went to the other side.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_07]: And you went to the other side alone, and you brought back a gun that the mystic pointed you to.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_07]: You basically brought the monster back into the modern world.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:12 [SPEAKER_07]: And you're at gunpoint.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:15 [SPEAKER_07]: Tell everyone that you've got great.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_07]: Would you rather?
01:05:17 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I love that the gun was in a box that said storms are coming.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And
01:05:22 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Little did little did the Austin Carmichael know that the storm's name was Craig Waterman.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_06]: I have great would you, Rathers?
01:05:32 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I was like, I can't remember the last time I laughed that hard.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_06]: consistently in a movie, but man, the would you rather.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_07]: Would you rather, like you can't have, can we just do the icebreaker?
01:05:46 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_07]: Can we just, I promise you, I can be really good at the icebreaker if you just give me a shot.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:57 [SPEAKER_07]: And then the question about like, what's your favorite food?
01:05:57 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And he just freaks out.
01:05:59 --> 01:06:01 [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't know any answer.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_07]: He's super nervous.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_05]: He's so nervous.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_07]: You got a new guy.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Jump.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God.
01:06:11 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Like jump with a knife.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my, so yeah, there is that.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, then it then it is such a bizarre and I love the misfire.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I think the misfire is really key.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_07]: The misfire is great and it's one of these moments where it's like
01:06:38 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_07]: You think that that would work probably.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:42 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, like, this guy's got a gun.
01:06:42 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_07]: You don't think he intends to use it.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_07]: He's feeling pretty nervous.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:48 [SPEAKER_07]: Just wrestle him.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:59 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that that's, I think that that's kind of the, this weird mythology around guns that has sort of taken hold in this country.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like you just need one heroic person to tackle the guy with a gun.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_07]: And that rogued act will save the day.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_07]: And this movie's like, well, it might, or the mic, the gun might go off.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_07]: And the thing that's going to save the day is that the guys to pay falls off.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, just the metaphor of the to pay to reveal the male pattern baldness.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:34 [SPEAKER_07]: is fantastic to me.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like that big reveal in the jail is going to turn into the secret weapon later on.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:51 [SPEAKER_07]: And so it gives you this great moment where it's like you're the villain and the hero at the same time.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_07]: It's kind of fantastic.
01:07:55 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, and I love the gun aspect too because he takes this gun.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_06]: kind of forgets that he takes it.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:06 [SPEAKER_06]: It's sort of symbolically like if you look at a, at a gun as like a phallic symbol.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Like he, like it's gold.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_06]: He leaves with kind of like stolen manhood, right?
01:08:14 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And he didn't intend for it.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_06]: But now he has it.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And then when he, when he brings it, he doesn't know what to do with it.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And it goes off too early.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's fantastic.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_06]: I think this, this movie is, it's working on so many wonderful levels.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's never loses just the absurd humor part of it.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for the big potato had me in tears.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even know what happened.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm trying to congratulate a son on having a girlfriend.
01:08:49 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_07]: It's just like dude.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_07]: Like your wife is missing in the sewer.
01:08:56 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:00 [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, oh, I got your mom.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_07]: Just the, I'm like, his jokes are kind of funny, but they're, they're always ill-timed.
01:09:08 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Like I had a pig was flying.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_07]: So the way this movie ends is fantastic.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's almost like,
01:09:21 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_07]: This is never going to end because if it was if it was just him getting in the cop car and being hauled off to jail, then he's the villain and he got what he deserved and it all is it all as well.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_07]: But the fact that Paul read Winks at him, you know, almost reinforcing like thanks for keeping my secret for me.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_07]: To me that is okay, this is going to go on and on and on.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_07]: This cycle of male insecurity and obsession and performance.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:57 [SPEAKER_07]: This is never gonna end.
01:09:58 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_07]: But this really does feel like, no, we did not conquer male insecurity in this movie.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_07]: In fact, the monster lives and the monster will continue to live and this is just how it's gonna be.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and I, and I, and I, and I mean, it ends with a wink and a smile.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_06]: The movie ends with a wink and a smile.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_06]: in his circumstance, ever, there should not be that.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, Paul Rudd, you're sort of revealing the sort of the culpability of the Austin character in this.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:37 [SPEAKER_07]: You're just as responsible for creating this monsters, anyone else.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_07]: And what you should do is not wink, press charges, because this guy deserves to be in jail.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to finish with we should have never left Afghanistan.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_07]: That's that scene so funny.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_07]: Is there a trope of cliche or device in this movie?
01:11:07 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_07]: You appreciate.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think it's like first there's a couple thing when I really did like the what it well they kind of subverts a lot of tropes right like the introduces a trope to break them down.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, which I really like, but I I like I'm I'm a the Tim Robinson trope like Tim Robinson adding the, uh, you know, they're so mean to me.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, like just that the these little elements of vulnerable over shares that are just like so specific to to Tim Robinson, it just really.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_07]: really makes me yeah who's the who's the who wrote this movie was it uh Andrew and her new young Andrew wrote and direct okay so you would think maybe this is a Tim Robinson written movie because there's so much Tim Robertson in this movie
01:11:58 --> 01:12:01 [SPEAKER_07]: I think you've got the actual bar from Detroiters in this movie.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:07 [SPEAKER_07]: I think that you've got Tim Robinson doing an ad pitch.
01:12:08 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_07]: You got him in an office.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:11 [SPEAKER_07]: That's very Detroiters.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:18 [SPEAKER_07]: A lot of I think you should leave sketches or him in an office with coworkers.
01:12:19 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_07]: It almost feels like this was written in his voice.
01:12:25 --> 01:12:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it was written specifically for him from when I read.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_07]: So just brilliantly done.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:36 [SPEAKER_07]: You have just captured everything that you would, that you love about him.
01:12:36 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_07]: Also, you've got the, you know, for me and my, my trope, I like Paul Rudd is sort of a television media personality.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:52 [SPEAKER_07]: No sort of recalling anchor man, but you've also got like the Marvel winks every now and again.
01:12:55 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_07]: So this movie is very intelligently written for subtext.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:09 [SPEAKER_07]: And you don't really need any of those of, you don't really need to have any of those other things in place.
01:13:11 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_07]: to see the brilliance of the movie, but it is nice to have the subtext and not have it like, no one is sort of hitting you over the head with the subtext.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_07]: So I like that.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_07]: I like that a lot.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and this is his debut film, The Ender to Young.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Amazing.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_07]: Amazing.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_07]: Is there a tweak you'd make to this movie to improve it?
01:13:36 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_06]: It's, I mean, you know,
01:13:40 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know for sure, honestly, because I mean, again, four times of watching this.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like there's so many, like, really deft choices in terms of how long it'll linger on things.
01:13:56 --> 01:14:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, it lingers on things just long up to making cringey and sometimes it builds you out just in time.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:08 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's not like there's this scene where he says issue live and then you like,
01:14:08 --> 01:14:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I remember the first time I saw that I hadn't even really considered the possibility of this movie, my killer.
01:14:14 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_06]: But it reveals her alive just long enough to for you to have that thought.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And then you see your alive and you're kind of like, okay, okay, okay.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:29 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's like, but I think that's what like a horror movie can do.
01:14:29 --> 01:14:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that's one of the really good tricks that I mean, you're laughing.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I'm laughing, start to finish, but I'm never settled.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is a pretty
01:14:39 --> 01:14:53 [SPEAKER_06]: carefully made uh movie and I don't know I'm trying to think of I mean there that I mean maybe I would tweak maybe the the Conorale Mali Tim Robinson interactions they clearly make themselves laugh at one point you can't help it
01:14:54 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's almost like, it almost felt like improv.
01:14:58 --> 01:15:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Like they were just, they probably did ten different takes and used the one that made them laugh.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I was thinking, along those lines, I was thinking, I kept on waiting for Sam Richardson to show up in this movie.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:16 [SPEAKER_07]: Hmm, maybe feels too much like two, two familiar to some of these things.
01:15:16 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe so, but I thought, of course, Sam Riches and it's gonna show up in this, because, you know, he was in Detroiters, he was, and I think you should leave, or at least a lot of, I think you should leave the first season.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:36 [SPEAKER_07]: And I just thought, of course, they're gonna use him in some capacity, and that never happened.
01:15:38 --> 01:15:40 [SPEAKER_07]: This movie, Better Worcester on part of the Ron Howard movie.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:45 [SPEAKER_06]: It's so not, I mean, like, it is so specific.
01:15:46 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_07]: it is it's it's it's almost hard to to grade like that because I I don't know if Ron Howard has any interest in making a movie like that well yeah I feel like Ron Howard is same as for making you know meat and potatoes and this is some weird like wasabi ice cream kind of thing
01:16:10 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_07]: I, I almost like this is not on the Howard scale.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:17 [SPEAKER_07]: It's, it's, it's crazy.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:32 [SPEAKER_07]: But because I do want to give credit to Andrew De Young, I'm going to say Howard plus six, because I think if you, I don't know if you go to a replacement director and get this movie.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_07]: I agree.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Again, I, I, I, I, yeah, I don't think that.
01:16:37 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I'm not, I'm not
01:16:40 --> 01:16:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I want to say that Howard's like two straight four, but I just don't see that I would be surprised me for Howard to feel okay with ending it like that.
01:16:51 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I would agree.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I put like a Howard plus five.
01:16:54 --> 01:16:57 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, there's always the, you know, there's always the outlier parenthood.
01:16:58 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's like true.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:03 [SPEAKER_07]: The parenthood ends in a particular way that makes you think
01:17:04 --> 01:17:12 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, happily ever after, but not really, you know, like you're still be parenting these children well into adulthood.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:22 [SPEAKER_07]: So I think there's something brilliant about parenthood, but this is just on some different astrological plane.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:24 [SPEAKER_07]: This is so much more primal.
01:17:25 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, what another line that I just have to bring up it's a
01:17:31 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_06]: when the table is like welcome back, you know, like how long was your trip like four or five months?
01:17:37 --> 01:17:38 [SPEAKER_06]: There was like a minute.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I went to subway and he was his response is the eatery.
01:17:41 --> 01:17:50 [SPEAKER_07]: He said he would never call the subway eatery.
01:17:52 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you know, he is kind of the shaman of this particular wireless location.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my god.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Is there a half the battle underground moment in this film?
01:18:06 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_07]: I say go to just just give therapy a shot.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Might as she's all she's asking for as a minivan, man.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:20 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like that's all.
01:18:20 --> 01:18:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that might have saved their marriage man.
01:18:23 --> 01:18:25 [SPEAKER_07]: That's all that you wanted.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_07]: It's just not asking for the moon.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:29 [SPEAKER_07]: It's just a minute.
01:18:31 --> 01:18:34 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a minute man that might actually make your family money.
01:18:34 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_07]: So just consider it.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
01:18:42 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: The church bells day were ringing.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:47 [SPEAKER_04]: The clouds were low and brown.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_04]: The horses they were nearing.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_04]: The dead Robert Pailin's shot me down.
01:18:57 --> 01:18:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Follow my lead, Henji.
01:19:00 --> 01:19:04 [SPEAKER_04]: He rode in the town on a jet-black mayor's baton hitched her to a tree.
01:19:04 --> 01:19:10 [SPEAKER_04]: He made his way to the town saloon, the dead Robert Pailin's murder me.
01:19:12 --> 01:19:16 [SPEAKER_03]: It was also the night that the skeletons came to life.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:18 [SPEAKER_03]: They came from under the ground.
01:19:19 --> 01:19:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And from all over the field, the preacher's daughter, he made the shooter at my crown.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_04]: He cocked that crooked hammer back, and he brought that hammer down.
01:19:29 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, the bones are the skeletons, money.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_03]: In our world bones, he will dollars.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:39 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why they're coming out tonight to get their bones from you.
01:19:39 --> 01:19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: The skeletons, the pull your hair.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but not out.
01:19:44 --> 01:19:48 [SPEAKER_03]: All day, watch another chantant like they've never seen so much food as this.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Undergrombers have as much food as this is when the worms are there, money.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:55 [SPEAKER_03]: The bones are their dollars.
01:19:55 --> 01:19:59 [SPEAKER_04]: The bullet rift inside my chest, the clouds, they did storm.
01:20:00 --> 01:20:03 [SPEAKER_04]: My sweet Marie, she cried to me and then I was...
01:20:04 --> 01:20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was over little islanders tell this game you laugh!
01:20:09 --> 01:20:14 [SPEAKER_03]: The phones are their money, so are the worms.
01:20:14 --> 01:20:21 [SPEAKER_03]: They pull your hair off, but not out to turn into a man and have another chance in life.
01:20:21 --> 01:20:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But if they pull it out, they turn to plums.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes!