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00:25 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Comics Versus, a lower-hounds podcast today.
00:28 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_04]: We're diving back into the MC Universe like a girl genius on her way home to Chicago who just got locked out of her Clippy AI.
00:36 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Alicia.
00:37 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm John, and today we're flying through the first three episodes of Iron Heart, the new Marvel-limited series on Disney+.
00:46 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to start with some spoiler free hot takes.
00:48 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And then after a warning, we're going to discuss spoilers for the first three episodes of Iron Heart.
00:54 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_04]: But spoilers for anything else Marvel shows movies or comics that come up are on the table.
01:00 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And John, you, you're a fan of the Iron Heart comics.
01:04 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
01:05 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:06 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I started collecting them as soon as the first one dropped.
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm familiar.
01:13 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very familiar with the character.
01:17 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I think bend this for creating yet another young black superhero on page and that we get to see her on screen is really awesome.
01:28 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, just I dig her as a character.
01:34 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_04]: What were you hoping for from her going into this?
01:39 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know me, and my expectations are not really
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I try to limit them.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:44 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't go into the shows wishing that they do XYZ.
01:50 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see what they take the character.
01:53 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they tell the story well, they tell the story well.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If they don't, they don't.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:58 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of like to not really set myself up to be disappointed.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to see this character.
02:06 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see that person.
02:08 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do that to myself anymore.
02:13 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I've learned, I've learned lessons.
02:15 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I've learned lessons that have been expectations from page to screen.
02:19 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It always doesn't work out the way that you wanted to work out.
02:23 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So just go in with a fresh mindset, knowing the character, but knowing that this is a different story that the people are trying to tell.
02:32 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but next time we see Jennifer Kale, she's going to be with men thing.
02:39 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of your holy grails, I know.
02:42 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but so yeah, this show is the final phase in the final entry in phase five of the MCU.
02:51 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is wrapping up the phase, but it is it was this was a really delayed project and it's not still not really clear why.
02:59 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so it is it's not the last in the timeline that we've seen.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_04]: It's actually set five months after Wakanda forever.
03:05 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to remind people what happened with reread in Wakanda forever in the Black Panther two?
03:12 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, absolutely.
03:13 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So, as one of her projects was used by the CIA to find vibranium outside of Wakanda, really found herself threatened by name wars.
03:21 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, invention put the Talokon in danger of being exposed to the surface world.
03:25 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Targeted by both Talokon and the United States government, really was approached by Sherry and the Wakondans, which later escalated into a war between Wakanda and Talokon.
03:35 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Ruby helped the Wakandans in the final battle using a new iron suit made with a condent technology.
03:42 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And then returned to the US after the conflict.
03:45 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Sherry made sure she could not keep.
03:47 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
03:48 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_04]: She's like, that is that is proprietary Wakandans technology.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_04]: We will be taking that bag.
03:54 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to, no, we can't do it.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And Ruby's like, but I got a taste.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I must recreate this.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I must have my own.
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
04:04 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
04:05 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So, this series, or, I mean, I don't know if there's any thought about doing a second season, but it's so far, it's been positive as a limited series, six episodes.
04:19 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So, three episodes each for two weeks, and this week's episodes were take me home, which was forty-one minutes long, and was written by Chanaka Hodge, who is the head writer, slash creator,
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_04]: of this and also wrote the finale.
04:33 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Episode two was will the real Natalie please stand up obviously a slim shady reference that one's forty eight minutes long written by Mallory Howard and Episode three is we in danger girl which is a reference to what we goberg's iconic line and ghost that one is the longest of this bunch fifty three minutes and it was written by Francesca Gales and Jacqueline J. Gales.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so did these three people were worried?
05:01 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Would these three feel like an arc together?
05:03 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll save the specifics obviously for after the spoiler break, but do you feel like we got a complete arc in these three?
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really do.
05:12 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we've gotten to know, um, reread, which is, you know, we didn't get to know reread very well, then we're kind of forever.
05:22 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, no.
05:25 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_04]: There was no time for anything that didn't match in.
05:28 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
05:29 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was a proper introduction, I think, to her as a person, to see what makes her tick.
05:37 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it really does a
05:40 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: the three episodes really do go hand in hand.
05:44 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
05:45 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
05:46 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like we get a firm arc.
05:50 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, I want to point out the three all three episodes for directed by the same director, Sam Bailey, who is from Chicago, by the way, and is done previous work on Grownish and Dear White People and other shows that I haven't watched.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, great.
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
06:04 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love those two that I mentioned.
06:08 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, usually it's a sign when there's there's six episodes three these three were done by one director the other three were done by another director that's a good sign that we're getting two different separate arcs and this one indeed it felt like we are properly introducing Ruby.
06:23 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_04]: and we're establishing what is her situation in Chicago, and it takes it through like this entire first arc until no spoilers yet, but there's a, not like a twist at the end, like, although I guess there's a little bit of one there.
06:37 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what's the tool at the end?
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_04]: There was one twist.
06:42 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't expecting.
06:44 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_04]: But there was, yeah, yeah, I think it's happened.
06:47 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Things change at the end of this arc.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
06:51 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It takes on a whole different tender.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
06:56 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
06:57 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So we have a combination of technology and magic.
07:03 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So did what is your overall hot takes?
07:05 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Did they spark your interest and cast a spell?
07:10 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
07:13 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They did.
07:13 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm super enjoying these first three episodes.
07:19 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think each of the supporting characters have been given enough to make me, um, like, if not, it's not that I care that they live with die, but that I care that they're on screen, right?
07:35 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So even there was one character that's, you know, no longer with us.
07:40 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering where is that character?
07:42 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
07:44 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really, um,
07:48 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they've done a really good job with the character development of Riri and her supporting cast.
07:56 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested to see what they go with the story because if you know, if you know you know about Parker, so we'll see what that leads.
08:10 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
08:12 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I said, this felt like a complete arc for me.
08:18 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I did feel like it was geared toward, you know, young adults, like the age of the main characters, a lot of Miss Marvel, but I tend to enjoy those shows, they're fun.
08:28 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And you just want to say that, I'm sorry, but you say that in my better half, watch the show with me, as she said, that
08:38 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the first times she feels like she's watching young people.
08:44 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
08:45 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like, she's, like, it's even more naturally young.
08:48 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she could be their mom.
08:50 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, you know, like, it's like that type of feeling, like watching them make mistakes and just keep felt like, oh, these are really just kids.
09:02 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And just young, you know, young adults.
09:06 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you said that, that is geared towards young people, that is really hitting the nail on the head because even as, you know, someone who's middle-aged, I recognize that as well.
09:18 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
09:18 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, recognize the usefulness of the show.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But there is a surprising darkness, too.
09:24 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, absolutely.
09:26 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
09:26 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_04]: What would you put this on the Pakele scale?
09:29 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Which is a scale for anyone who doesn't know the scale for violence and like emotional or physical violence.
09:37 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, um, a tool?
09:41 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
09:43 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's, yeah, it's not, um, I think it, it's not bloody.
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's emotional.
09:51 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's definitely violence, but it's not, yeah, gore or any.
09:55 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not gore, but there's definitely some, some emotional trauma.
10:00 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, with a lot of the character.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And characters are not safe.
10:05 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
10:06 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they're not.
10:08 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they're not.
10:09 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
10:10 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
10:12 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a lot of them.
10:13 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I like the fact that there is a lot of moral ambiguity, even with rebe herself.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That is big right there.
10:24 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That is big right there because that's something that, you know, I definitely personally can relate to.
10:30 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Around that age, you know what I'm saying?
10:34 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a, yeah, that's, those are the questions that need to be answered.
10:41 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that they're, you know, positive questions.
10:45 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: because these are things that happen really in life.
10:50 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm interested to see where the story turns, where it goes, and how those questions get answered.
10:57 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
10:58 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I saw someone compare this to the better erover shows and I think to me that seems kind of fair but I don't I think that it's it's you know it's a solid show I would give it like there I see some some things that are
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
11:21 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like the like Andor, you know, where there's attention.
11:25 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
11:25 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It's.
11:26 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Movie level attention paid to all the details or it's not like Agatha where it's transcendently something new or Loki.
11:33 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's a very solid fun show that I'm going to enjoy watching and rewatching like Echo or what if the first season of Daredevil.
11:42 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
11:42 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
11:44 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that wholeheartedly.
11:46 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
11:47 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like this overlap of magic meets tech.
11:51 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is becoming an important theme in the MCU.
11:55 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_04]: We've obviously seen it with Wanda and Vision.
11:59 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_04]: We've seen it with Loki and the TVA.
12:02 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're going to be seeing it soon.
12:04 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a big theme with Dr. Doom.
12:05 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
12:07 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know.
12:10 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's Dr. Strange levels, so, as well as read Richard levels on both sides, you know what I mean, of the spectrum, so it's going to be interesting to see how they merge those two things in that one character.
12:24 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he literally becomes a source of supreme one point.
12:27 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's source of supreme right now in the Marvel Comics.
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one world under doom.
12:33 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great story, by the way.
12:35 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If anyone's interested, wait for the trade to come out, but yes, it's a really good story.
12:41 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Any more spoiler-free thoughts on iron hurt before we get into it?
12:45 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just want to call out to people who have been bad-faith actors in my opinion.
12:52 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's one thing to critique a show, but it's another thing to critique a show just basically because you don't like black people.
12:59 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Or women.
13:00 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Or women.
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Or worse both, yeah.
13:03 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: or you don't like the fact that it's not white centered.
13:07 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel that a lot of these complaints that people have is because it's not white centered.
13:14 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that we've talked about at Nozium.
13:21 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It really pains me that folks insist that they can't see themselves in these characters.
13:30 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
13:31 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Just because these characters are black brown, it really troubles me.
13:38 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And it upsets me because as a prod blurred, I've seen myself in characters that look nothing like me.
13:46 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
13:47 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've never once said, I can't be that because it doesn't look like me.
13:54 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
13:55 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I've made
13:57 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I've enjoyed shows and movies and books that don't feature people who look like me or my family or my friends that I grew up with.
14:12 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that we have grown as, you know, people getting on their cam, writing in major publications, just
14:28 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, thinly veiled, racist shit is so infuriating.
14:34 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, to add to that, you and I were talking before we got on the mics about how you were reading review that complained that Ruby Williams was Dauer.
14:46 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about her story and the other side of the boy they're breaking, but you know, you were not even re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re
15:02 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:04 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_04]: It's part of her story that she's dealing with stuff and the driving part of her story.
15:10 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I think also she is a spark of life on screen just all of her like mannerisms and the way she delivers lines and I think she really agree.
15:18 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's a problem where this is a sort of
15:23 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_04]: unintentionally coded language i'm going to be generous say it's unintentionally coded language but i was i was mentioning that i saw the same thing with with the ob one show where they are explaining that again a black woman um you know uh not even a main character she was like a secondary character
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_04]: that she was angry.
15:46 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that is literally, she is a dark cider.
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_04]: It is literally part of the description.
15:51 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_04]: You were saying it's pre-recquisite.
15:53 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is often how women or people are of color or especially when both coincide are talked about in this language where
16:04 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, people are not doom as an angry character.
16:07 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_04]: People aren't complaining about it.
16:09 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
16:10 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
16:11 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah.
16:12 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And so unfortunately, this is a show that is getting hit from both sides with that with people with preconceived notions of I won't like it because the person in it doesn't look enough like me.
16:22 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but doesn't talk like me, but doesn't talk, doesn't talk like me or talk like I expect a person who looks like her to talk.
16:31 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like these people in that community don't talk this way.
16:34 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't, their mannerisms are off.
16:36 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck do you know?
16:38 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I know plenty of people who, you know, who speak in a way that, you know, you wouldn't, right?
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Both of those things are such BS.
16:53 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
16:53 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's such BS.
16:55 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't talk like a valley kid and I watch karate kid.
17:01 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:02 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
17:03 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't touch like I don't talk like someone who was raised in the mob, but I watch good fellows.
17:10 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
17:11 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, there's, there's, there's, there's an inherent racism also in expecting her to speak a certain way.
17:20 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's my point exactly.
17:21 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my point exactly.
17:24 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm not here for any of that shit.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't respect it.
17:31 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
17:32 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not to say you have to like a show and you can't be critical of the critical of things that you that you see in the show.
17:40 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: on a technical basis or someone's acting, that's fine.
17:43 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You can say this is not for you, but not in this way as it's saying like this story should not exist because it isn't something that I can relate to.
17:59 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't gotta relate to it.
18:00 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't gotta like it.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Just be honest about it and say this is not for me.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't give me the other bullshit.
18:09 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this also comes down to sometimes I wish they wouldn't have these people who are snobbish about Marvel review Marvel stuff either.
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
18:20 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
18:20 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a good point.
18:24 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
18:25 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
18:26 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, if you enjoy it, enjoy it.
18:28 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't like it, okay, cool.
18:31 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a problem with someone not liking something that I like.
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:35 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But pretend that
18:38 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not liking it.
18:40 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because, you know, you're not centered in it because I can see through all that bullshit.
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
18:51 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, any, any last boiler free thoughts on these three episodes?
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no.
18:58 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Get the haters out of here to kick rocks.
19:01 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_04]: than probably if you're listening to this, you're probably on board with us, but just to make it clear.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's still make it clear.
19:09 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to take your quick break and when we come back, we will get into the details of the episode.
19:15 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Here we go.
19:34 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we're going to be mixing the episodes together talking about one character slash plot arc at a time.
19:42 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So make sure you're all caught up because here we go.
19:44 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_04]: We're doing a set us up with schools out forever.
19:49 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Reeve gets kicked out of school for being a troublemaker who they feel doesn't have enough to show for the money they've invested in her.
19:58 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: She leaves MIT and Massachusetts taken the iron suit she's been building with her and flies back to Chicago.
20:04 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: When the school locks her out of her prototype software as she crash lands, but not before being noticed by some other local troublemakers.
20:12 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Reeve moves back in with her mom and starts looking for ways to earn money to keep working on her suit.
20:19 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we talked a lot about Dominique Thorne, but I think that she's, I think she's got real star power, just the way that she holds the attention on the screen and the way that she, the way she delivers the lines, she has great comedic timing and all these very specific micro expressions that give really character.
20:43 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I agree totally.
20:44 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
20:45 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Her expressions tell so many stories.
20:49 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think she embodies the character like she is.
20:53 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: She's really living this character.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice to see.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It was also nice to see back Jim Rash.
21:04 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So people know him from community, but he played the Dean of MIT.
21:09 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_04]: He showed up in Captain America Civil War.
21:11 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So it was funny to see him.
21:13 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: He's still just for like a cameo.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_04]: He's still in MCU.
21:19 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So they called her a plagiarist and kicked her out and at first I thought they were calling her a plagiarist because she copied Tony suit and then I realized it was because she was selling projects around her.
21:30 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: She's hustling on campus, man.
21:34 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew some people who would sell some completed works.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, you got
21:43 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_01]: really nicer, got a nice little piece of stash for doing that so yeah.
21:49 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_04]: My hope that people that she was selling to in this case also got kicked out.
21:54 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I doubt it.
21:55 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they said zero tolerance for plagiarism, but didn't they also say she was selling to other schools in Boston?
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she was going all over the place.
22:03 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She was everywhere.
22:04 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was hustling, man.
22:07 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_04]: So I looked at the flight time.
22:10 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_04]: A commercial flight from Boston to Chicago is two hours and thirteen minutes.
22:15 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's assume she can go a little faster and she doesn't have to deal with, you know.
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_04]: All the headwind and all that stuff.
22:22 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So a little under two hours.
22:23 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess it took them that long to scramble to lock her out.
22:29 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But then isn't that messed up for them to lock her out?
22:33 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess they don't know that she's currently flying, but they could assume that's a possibility, right?
22:39 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would have assumed that's a possibility, but they obviously don't care.
22:43 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one thing that I was waiting for, somebody to come through to take the suit back from her.
22:49 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I'm still trying to figure out why no one has come through yet.
22:53 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing that's really, that's stuck in my brain.
23:00 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_01]: They locked her out, but is it her suit?
23:03 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the property of MIT?
23:06 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
23:07 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they give her the materials to make the, the suit, the she hold the copyright of the suit.
23:13 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_04]: The other student said it's her grant money, it's her suit, so I don't know.
23:17 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
23:18 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
23:19 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but they were not letting her keep the, the clipie AI.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the AI was probably the schools.
23:26 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, Trevor, the pencil with a backpack is MIT's teaching robot and virtual assistant.
23:32 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so yeah, then that makes sense.
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, that makes sense.
23:35 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, because Reeve would make better AI than that.
23:38 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Because she actually did, right?
23:40 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And she actually did.
23:41 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that in a second.
23:46 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_04]: One cool thing we learned about reread later in these three episodes is she can identify planes and engines by sound.
23:52 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:53 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if that's going to come up?
23:55 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And um, I love, they have a different title intro for each episode.
24:01 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I like the first one.
24:02 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: She was so close.
24:04 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:04 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That was so cool.
24:05 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_04]: She crashed lands and then there's iron hearts broken into and she's the concrete.
24:10 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and she's what the air or something or no, there are.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are.
24:15 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so cool.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That was such a cool visual.
24:17 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:18 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:18 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:19 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the other two, the one was a street sign and the other was money on the floor.
24:24 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I like the stick overall, but the first home was definitely the best.
24:31 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_04]: We get introduced to, yeah, this kid, we meet him twice in his first three episodes, his name's Landon, played by Harper Anthony.
24:40 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Any thoughts on Landon so far?
24:42 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's hustling for to cart stuff around for Ruby.
24:46 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think, um,
24:49 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: those characters that we met right off the bat where you know pretty solid like see this kid landed in just hustling china you know fairy things back and forth throughout the neighborhood uh... in his little wagon cut i found that humorous uh... it's a economy yeah exactly you're like but i think for him too though i'm not going for it because i know the boss of chicago
25:17 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be, you know, lugging stuff around town like that, but still, I thought that was pretty cool.
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:24 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like Riri's mom, Ronnie Williams, played by Angie White.
25:29 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So we first meet her with she has some friends over, including Madeline Stanton, played by Chris Summer, who Chris Summer, it was driving me crazy.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_04]: What do I know her from?
25:40 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And she's done like this.
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_04]: kind of animation.
25:44 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't voices for lots of, like, rug rats and things like that.
25:48 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_04]: She's been on Abbott Elementary, but what I really know her from and year old enough also to remember this a different world.
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
25:57 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, soon as I saw her, I'm like, oh, that's great.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, I know her personally.
26:03 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's great.
26:07 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:08 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Great show.
26:08 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Great show.
26:09 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
26:10 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
26:11 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, well, Madeline Stanton, she invited.
26:17 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_04]: She was doing like the crystal talking about stones and stuff, so we know she is on the witch ear side, and she wants Ronnie to bring re-revide to meet her daughter.
26:27 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll say Madeline Stanton, the name, also belongs to a real life historical figure who is a famous librarian.
26:37 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, there is a character with the last name, Stanton, in the comics.
26:41 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think we're going to be talking about all of that next week.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So awesome.
26:46 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love the fact that she was just walking around with the sage.
26:50 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, we need to purify really all right.
26:56 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's off, man.
26:58 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's off.
26:59 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_04]: It's also interesting that, like, re-re-is more science, but her mom is more connected to this new age spirit.
27:06 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
27:07 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: When it goes back to what you were saying, you know, this show with science and magic, right?
27:11 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the supernatural and re-re-re not the supernatural, but she's surrounded by it at this point.
27:20 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:21 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it really has a nice base even if she's shoving people away as her mom calls out later.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah.
27:29 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, you know, how many it's relatable to me.
27:35 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
27:36 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
27:36 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
27:38 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
27:39 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That struggle between, you know, being young adult and parents and, you know, that old generation that raised you.
27:48 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: you really think they don't, they don't get you, they don't understand you.
27:51 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
27:54 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I recall that.
27:55 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, especially being the girl genius, you know, she's she put into schools into college ahead of her time.
28:03 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_04]: She was like, fifteen, I think going into college when she was when she was in Wakanda forever.
28:09 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And so that forces her to grow up in two fast in some ways, I think, as well.
28:17 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she's growing up too fast.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
28:24 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't want to say stunted growth.
28:28 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but there's something that she's missed.
28:30 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: She's missed that on.
28:31 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
28:33 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and you can tell that.
28:35 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_04]: She skipped pieces of her adolescence, yeah.
28:38 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Steps, she skipped a lot of steps.
28:40 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
28:42 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: For good reason.
28:44 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_04]: For good reason.
28:44 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_04]: For good reason.
28:45 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_04]: She's a girl genius, and she's inventing a new kind of AI, a re-restuggling with memories of the drive by shooting that took her stepdad, Gary, with whom she was close, as well as her best friend Natalie.
28:57 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_04]: And Natalie's brother, Xavier, welcomes re-re-home with a mix tape that also features Natalie's voice.
29:03 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_04]: and re-reuses her own brainwaves while thinking about the memories this makes triggered to train a new AI creating a super AI that's uncannily like her friend and seems to even possess her memories.
29:19 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_04]: So first of all, I have to call out that this montage, where she's doing this, and I'd say it's also a montage with a Parker scene, we'll talk about more later.
29:28 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's set to Nina Simone's Centerman, and I had to replay the montage three times because I kept getting so distracted by how much I love that song.
29:37 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
29:37 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_04]: That is, yeah.
29:40 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's, I've been thinking about the song, Sinner Men's probably in one of my top ten all-time songs, and the Nina Simone's rendition of it.
29:48 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And I've been thinking about it, especially in relation to sinners, the movie, which the song is not featured in that movie, which I think showed in incredible overstrain.
29:59 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's Nina Simone.
30:01 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_04]: She is like creature boy in centers.
30:04 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_04]: She is the child of a creature who wanted to pursue a music style that she was told was sinful.
30:14 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And so this singing the song, center man, it's about, it's a reckoning with that.
30:18 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It's being, it's like, I am, I'm told that I'm, no good and going to the devil, but yet I choose this thing that gives me pleasure, this music, you know, she sings it in the style of the music that she's told.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll send her to hell.
30:33 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And the lyrics of the song are, you know, the turning to, um, turned to the rock.
30:39 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned to the river.
30:40 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I turned to the Lord and all of them say, you know, I can't protect you, center man, go to the devil, go to the devil.
30:48 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And as we do this, we see, reary, um, and Parker, like, parallel,
30:58 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_04]: being obstinate in their own ways, and you know, I will give up anything to find the means to my ends, but it's also because they've both been told no so much to get to that point.
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm making sense.
31:15 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you make a sense, but thinking about it is like, I know what rearies and goal is, partly, right?
31:24 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly.
31:26 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still searching for partners, right?
31:30 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know what he's doing, but I want to know why he's doing it specifically, right?
31:39 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is he trying to accomplish it?
31:44 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it would just call it that he's made a deal with the devil, right?
31:50 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So what's the deal for?
31:54 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
31:55 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, power, yeah.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, yeah, what to what ends?
31:57 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: To what end?
31:58 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: To what end?
31:59 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_04]: We get hints here, but presumably that's something they have to really address in the next week.
32:03 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
32:04 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
32:05 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
32:07 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Another connection with sinners is that, and this goes back to the Wakanda Forever, the AI that Shuri was using in Wakanda Forever, that Riri was kind of trying to copy in a way, or make her own version of, is called Greo AI, which is like the story tellers, like preacher boy again.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_04]: or connecting between the realms.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, cool crossover.
32:33 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_04]: That word's coming up a lot lately.
32:34 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_04]: It was also on Dr. Hoola season.
32:37 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_04]: There was that.
32:38 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_04]: But is it the engine and the storyteller or something?
32:42 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was a great storytelling episode.
32:47 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think of Natalie, neuroautonomous, technical assistant and laboratory intelligence entity?
32:54 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just great.
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: that they were able to figure out.
33:00 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The acronym for this, for her name is just awesome.
33:07 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just great.
33:09 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: These are the sorts of things that make me chuckle.
33:12 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: As you can tell, because I'm chuckling right now.
33:14 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just love that those little things.
33:18 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, God, they actually came up with a
33:22 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and it makes sense.
33:24 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, okay.
33:26 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.
33:27 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think, um, who's the actress, the actor, and I'm, uh, lyric Ross, who?
33:34 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: She's great.
33:34 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I know her from, uh, this is us.
33:37 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I, I watch like the first, I don't know how many seasons of this is us.
33:41 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I, I don't, I don't think I've ever watched.
33:43 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've ever loved her.
33:45 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I do remember I watched until like just after she joined and then I was just kind of like this show so depressing.
33:50 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think I've ever watched it, but she's really good in this.
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she's really good in this.
33:57 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I love her energy and I love the back of fourth that she has with Marie Marie.
34:03 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And as an as a now newly born AI trying to figure out who what that means.
34:13 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right and it's actually you know super creepy in a way that this you know AI is like
34:23 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I need to figure out how, how do I break these shackles?
34:27 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I get free almost?
34:29 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I become, how do I, how can I be a better partner for her?
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: To her, you know what I mean?
34:38 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really, it's really something that I'm gonna pay attention to more over the next three episodes to see how her, what her growth is because this is, you know, again, Natalie wasn't allowed to grow up.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
34:54 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we have an AI version of Natalie who was looking to spread her wings as well.
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's see.
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
35:05 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Can I tell you what I think Natalie is?
35:09 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please.
35:10 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that this Natalie is a projection of rereads memories of her Natalie.
35:18 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
35:19 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I think because there's I think that she
35:23 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Luckily, you know, they were best friends.
35:25 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_04]: A reread saw a lot of sides of Natalie and she can remember a lot of different sides of her.
35:29 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that this Natalie wouldn't remember anything that reread would not remember.
35:36 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I totally agree with that because at one point, Natalie said there are gaps.
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a memory of what she can remember.
35:44 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, people have that, too.
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't remember.
35:47 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I didn't think about that.
35:49 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought, because it's not, you know, you don't have Natalie's memories.
35:53 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
35:53 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So those gaps are inherent.
35:56 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
35:57 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think if Xavier talked to her, she might not remember things if, you know, really wasn't present for it.
36:04 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's why Xavier, she doesn't tell Xavier yet?
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: She hasn't told him yet?
36:09 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't know if she's thought of that, but I don't I think she's like it's a thing.
36:13 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think she's like she didn't want her to talk to her mom either and then actually went pretty quite well.
36:19 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Very well.
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_04]: That was I liked that whole scene with Natalie bonding with Ronnie.
36:25 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Get behind me devil.
36:32 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the whole thing was giving me weird science.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good one.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
36:37 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I was wondering, could this be an origin for tech that we'll see in the future?
36:42 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Like something, one thing, I was thinking like LMDs in general, life model decoys, this is something that's in the comics, it's something that's in agents of shield, which I will swear is still canon until I die.
36:57 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_04]: But I guess it may be a different view universe than that.
37:02 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So in the other universe, Maria Hill becomes also an LMD, and she and Talos live happily ever after.
37:10 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, sorry, we're not talking about that show.
37:16 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_04]: But I was thinking, you know, we have the vision show coming up.
37:20 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Could it play into that in any way this technology?
37:24 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it can.
37:27 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow bring this back up.
37:33 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: because this is, you know, I reread is a big part of the young superhero cohort in the comic books, right?
37:45 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know the show was green lit years ago, and it just coming out now.
37:52 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the end of phase five, right?
37:54 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So I get all of that.
37:56 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think they can just sideline her.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_04]: No, they've better not.
38:02 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they can.
38:03 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would be on the stake if they did.
38:08 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Feige has disappointed me before.
38:14 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not saying that Feige won't disappoint, but I would hope that they recognize that keeping this sort of core of young heroes around for a little bit would be beneficial to the overall MCU project.
38:30 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.
38:31 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_04]: You want to build a future.
38:32 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
38:35 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think Natalie, though, if she is made of rereads, memories, is she genuinely sentient to is she separate from reread?
38:48 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Does she have thoughts and feelings that reread is not shared?
38:50 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's something that we need to explore.
38:54 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That should be explored.
38:58 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: is Natalie, like you said, her own, its own sentient being in the way that vision is.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, exactly.
39:09 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:10 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's something that, that's a question that, that's a great question.
39:14 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great question.
39:17 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I do have to call out that she looks a little too solid all the time, but I'll allow it because it seems a lot of money, I know.
39:24 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.
39:26 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are some things with some of the visuals that didn't land with me.
39:33 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the scene in the park primarily comes to mind.
39:38 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The scene in the park?
39:39 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when they're sitting down at the on the grass,
39:45 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:46 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, did like the background looks fake.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the background.
39:49 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't look good in the gun.
39:51 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It took me an antique me out, but it's just like, oh, it is not real.
39:55 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:56 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that would.
39:58 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
39:58 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_04]: For me, the worst thing was, was that that mesh skin thing that she's supposed to hide the button.
40:04 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, that is like a half-assed band aid.
40:07 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:08 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:08 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a big ass aces band aid.
40:10 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even sticking.
40:13 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Never like, it's not even sticking.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not covering the thing.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_04]: What are we doing?
40:19 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on there?
40:22 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I did wonder that with Natalie, if she is like a hologram made of light, what would happen with Kamala Khan's hard-light powers?
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Could, I mean, I guess I would make her like diamond hard, but that could be cool.
40:35 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_04]: She could be physical.
40:37 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you look a mass scientist.
40:40 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're like, you're just throwing stuff together and seeing why.
40:50 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if they're gonna be in champions together and just saying.
40:55 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So Ronnie, once we read a make one of Gary, if we're possible, how bad of an idea would that be?
41:06 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be a terrible idea, but we were watching it and we both excelled at the same time and said, wow, damn.
41:19 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that is so, that was so powerful.
41:24 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just the way, you know, is the scene that interaction was acted, just those ten seconds.
41:33 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So much pain, you can see between those characters.
41:41 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So much trauma that they haven't bridged between the two of them.
41:48 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
41:49 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
41:50 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: As mother and daughter that they haven't spoken about, try to find a way to each other in that grief.
42:00 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That just ten seconds was just so powerful.
42:05 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
42:06 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, although it would be better if Gary were based off mom's memories and rereads probably.
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what she would probably want.
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Or combined, but that's the thing.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_04]: That's whole other thing.
42:18 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you go.
42:19 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just don't hang the stuff together with no care, no care to the world.
42:25 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know.
42:25 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_04]: It's triangulate a personality from all the people who knew that person.
42:30 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the what kind of Gary you would create.
42:33 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, whatever.
42:35 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they loved him.
42:36 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're good one.
42:40 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, Marie, she later said that she makes the suit.
42:44 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_04]: She admits this to someone else we'll talk about in a bit, quote, unquote, Joe.
42:49 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but she admits that she makes the suit because Gary, who is played by a lower ice Hawkins, by the way, that he was an iron, he was the Ironman fan.
42:57 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So in the comics, it's definitely she's the one who's the Ironman fan, but here she's doing it out of, I mean, out of a challenge, I'm sure, but especially to honor her fallen stepfather.
43:08 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, in the comics too, she creates the suit after Gary and Natalie are killed.
43:18 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so she takes inspiration from Tony, you know, to build the suit, but I think the driving, the thing that's driving her is the deathstuff, Gary and that both in the comics and in the show.
43:33 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so maybe you know the answer to this from the comics, but is there any chance the shooting was not random or and related to that?
43:44 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_04]: They keep emphasizing that it's her stepfather, which is to me an odd idea if it's someone who was always there.
43:51 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_04]: It makes me question who was re-reads biological father.
43:55 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Is that gonna like turn out to be a mythist or something?
43:59 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
44:04 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no.
44:05 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_04]: It just just everyone's normal.
44:07 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This was just a horrible tragedy that just a horrible, horrible tragedy.
44:11 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
44:13 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
44:14 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_04]: It does seem like the garage is a better place to be working on the suit than her mom's kitchen, but yeah, I can understand they gave a good reason why she might want to avoid it.
44:26 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you think about the fact that Xavier played by Matthew Elam in the comics is he Natalie's brother or just friends?
44:36 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_04]: It is interesting that she's flirting with him.
44:39 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Like definitely there's a romantic interest in a way that does not feel brand new.
44:44 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So wonder if Natalie knew about this that there was a flirtation between them and how she would feel about it.
44:52 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's I think Xavier's younger.
44:56 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: because he says that Natalie was his oldest sister.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he was younger then.
45:03 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But only by like a year or two, it seems.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
45:07 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.
45:09 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
45:09 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So we would have to figure, I don't think there was a thing between them before what we're seeing now.
45:17 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay, but it seemed like there was interest, like they seemed very... It seems like there was some interest on Xavier's part, definitely.
45:26 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And that may have been a crush from when he was, you know, twelve.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
45:31 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Eleven years old.
45:32 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
45:34 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they were their trekkies together apparently, that's a thing.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_04]: They had a cute dynamic.
45:42 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_04]: He brings up Star Wars and she's like, how dare you?
45:45 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_04]: You said that's a thing.
45:46 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They got a call for you.
45:54 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_03]: What?
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Who the trekkies are gonna come for me?
45:59 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm saying that that's something that they like bond over.
46:03 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_04]: They probably we've been talking about Star Trek their whole life.
46:06 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the way they're going.
46:07 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
46:07 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.
46:09 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you was throwing some shade on the trekkies.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
46:13 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.
46:16 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_04]: She was throwing shade on Star Wars, but she was throwing shade on Star Wars.
46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, no, it was obvious it opened minded.
46:23 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_04]: He says there's room for more than one sci-fi world in my head.
46:30 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_04]: But I loved okay, so he invites her to a concert and then it takes like I don't
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't meet there until the next episode.
46:37 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a concert for this musician Saba.
46:39 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And that, to me, was, it felt like a throwback to Luke Cage, where Luke Cage would often have a concert like that in the middle of the episode.
46:47 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And I wish they did it more.
46:49 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_04]: There should be one per episode.
46:51 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
46:53 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the music was dope.
46:55 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The music was dope throughout this, the first three arcs, the three episode.
47:00 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The music was really dope.
47:02 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_04]: five more reasons to incorporate live music.
47:05 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah, that's a great point.
47:07 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great point.
47:10 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So we see their their relationship developing over these three episodes and to the point where now she's she's earning money and she's buying him gifts and he's calling her out which shows that there's a good dynamic that he'll actually, you know, push back when she needs it.
47:27 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_04]: How long do you think until Riri either tells him about the AI or will Natalie be the first one to tell him to like and like Natalie did with Riri's mom.
47:40 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Natalie is going to tell them.
47:42 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
47:43 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:44 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think um, really is quite up to the task yet.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you think he'll react?
47:52 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think he'll be very angry that she hasn't told them.
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the one thing that he said is like, you know, I wish I could hear her voice.
48:02 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and here you have her voice and the physical embodiment of her.
48:09 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_01]: in front of you all the time.
48:11 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You see me every day.
48:13 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know how much I'm learning for that connection.
48:17 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter if it's real or not real, no matter if it's a AI at night, he's listening to her voice on the headphones.
48:24 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So imagine if he can interact with, you know, Natalie, the AI who has some shared memories of his sister.
48:34 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:35 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Or, I mean, the reary also had a bad reaction at first.
48:40 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he will too.
48:41 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Or that's probably why reary doesn't want to tell him, I think.
48:43 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Because she's afraid that he will.
48:46 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so let's talk about the hood and his crew.
48:50 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to set us up?
48:52 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do it.
48:54 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: An announce initiation test.
48:57 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: After spotting release flight in Chicago, the hood and his crew know that she has the skills that they need for their high-tech burglaries, cousin John swoops in to help her buy some parts for her suit that she can't afford, and then invites her for a meeting with the hood above a pizza shop.
49:12 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_01]: She arrives, the hood gang traps her in the elevator, filling with gas, telling her to find a way to break into a lockbox again a gas mask.
49:21 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: really shows outside the lift thinking.
49:26 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: By breaking out of the elevator instead, she's invited to join the crew.
49:30 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It starts helping them on the jobs.
49:33 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So what did you think about them springing this elevator test on her?
49:38 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was weird.
49:39 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have bounced if I was her.
49:43 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, from... She tried, and then they waived money in our face.
49:48 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, but I would have bounced if I was her.
49:52 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like she's not... She's smart enough to know what that money comes with.
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because of what they just tried to do.
50:03 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
50:04 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The test that they gave her.
50:06 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's smart enough to know, like, you are shouldn't be fucking with these people.
50:08 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
50:09 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Because she's not built for that.
50:13 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, it's like, I get it.
50:16 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The money, she's flashing in her face and she wants it.
50:20 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And she makes a very bad decision.
50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she makes a very poor choice.
50:25 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, she by the way, she didn't seem too bothered by that smoke and the elevator.
50:29 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, like it's such a thing.
50:32 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been something fake or anyway, just maybe maybe what in the
50:45 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to say I used to live when I was in my mid-twenties I lived above not a yeah above basically a pizza shop and that was so dangerous because I would wake up and smell it and just crave the food for junk food all the time.
51:04 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: What a life.
51:04 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I also noticed that he lives under
51:10 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_04]: a metro line, because I was noticing at the end of these three episodes, we see some kind of like shaking and stuff.
51:17 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh, is this because the entity is showing him things?
51:21 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And like, oh, no, it's also just he lives below a metro line.
51:24 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was because the, you know, the devil was coming.
51:28 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
51:29 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_04]: But then I saw, when I rewatched a second time, I noticed that in the beginning, when they first go in, it does it too.
51:35 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's a train.
51:37 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense.
51:39 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Chicago.
51:41 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think of Anthony Ramos as Parker Robbins aka the hood?
51:46 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I like him.
51:48 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I like him as a character.
51:49 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I like him.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the portrayal so far.
51:54 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to know why he's doing the things that he's doing.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What caused him to make this deal?
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What's he getting out of this deal?
52:03 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, he's not exactly taking over these corporations.
52:10 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
52:12 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They got signed contracts to get them, make them rich.
52:17 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So, is it gold just to be rich or is there something else involved?
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
52:26 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I was curious about the comic version because I wasn't really familiar with this character.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
52:34 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_04]: For some reason, so I went back and
52:37 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, why isn't the series that introduces him available on Marvel unlimited?
52:42 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So I found it elsewhere and I started reading it and I was like, oh, oh, this is, I don't know that this is ever going on Marvel.
52:54 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_04]: It is, I mean, it's like, in terms of the raw story and the arts and stuff, that's all good.
53:00 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's like, it's from two thousand two, and it's just called Hood, six issues.
53:07 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And it is doing it's very, very best to be as offensive as possible to be as I suppose.
53:15 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Like there is, it is not possible to mention a woman without calling her a whore.
53:21 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_04]: It is not, yeah, there's, it seems to be a contest to see how many slurs you can say about how many different groups of people.
53:29 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_04]: in per issue it is just really going out of its way to be like oh well these are bad guys like like we have Parker is he has a girlfriend who's pregnant and he's gaslighting her so that he can go spend his money on another woman that he sleeps with every night and yeah just really over the top
53:57 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_04]: sucky dudes.
53:58 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I really think that this is, so far I've only read that series.
54:03 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And I am going to read the new Avengers series, which talks about in the comics.
54:08 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think this is going to be the same in the show.
54:10 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_04]: But in the comics, it's Dormamo is the demon who's like kind of possessing him.
54:16 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Dormamo being from the Dr. Strange movies.
54:20 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_04]: People might remember him, the one who, you know, the time loop, anyway.
54:26 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I'm going to read that run of comics, which I think is new Avengers, forty six.
54:30 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, fifty six something like that.
54:33 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_04]: But so far in this introductory run, I'm so glad that that is not the Parker Robbins that we have on screen.
54:39 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't remember a friend of mine telling me, you know, you don't want to read that.
54:49 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like straight up, straight up, I was like, yeah, I got the first issue.
54:55 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I let you read it, I let you hold it, but yeah, I'm not collecting that.
55:00 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing it.
55:01 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, it's just sucks me.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, okay.
55:06 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we talked about it or whatever.
55:07 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And I skim through that and read that.
55:11 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That first, his first set of appearances in the MCU in the Marvel comics, I didn't read them.
55:19 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But I got to know the character later on, Doc Ray.
55:22 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:23 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_01]: during, you know, secret invasion, because he plays pretty big roles in those stories as well.
55:32 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, some really good stories that Marvel put out.
55:41 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I presume that they made him less Iki.
55:45 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
55:46 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can have he can be a villain without being like without have it's just like literally every page like wow.
55:54 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
55:55 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But they also, you know, he's also not in those stories, he plays major roles, but he's not the major player.
56:04 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
56:05 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
56:05 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's given a chance to be his villainous self, but the stories are not centered on him per se.
56:14 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that gives a little, a nice break from what you just described.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah.
56:25 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_04]: They are doing a new origin story as they always do.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm happy to see it.
56:29 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So we see, we see the hood that he keeps in a safe
56:35 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_04]: It's burned at the bottom.
56:36 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that's Brimstone?
56:38 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
56:39 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all for something.
56:41 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
56:42 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Hellfire.
56:43 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And yet apparently feels hot when worn.
56:46 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And he says it's magic and re-reset.
56:48 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_04]: It's magic is code for I don't know.
56:50 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know if magic is code for I don't know.
56:55 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_04]: It does seem like in the MCU, they do try to explain magic in scientific ways a lot.
57:02 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with that.
57:04 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And we see he's got some some corruption that's spreading and I would notice like it seems like we when we see him it seems like it's gotten pretty far but it does seem like it originates around his heart area and we see it over especially his back and left shoulder and by the end of this first batch of episodes it seems like it spread across the top of his back but
57:31 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_04]: It seems like it started around the heart area.
57:33 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_04]: He's cousin John is trying to tattoo over it to cover it up, but it's just spreading too fast.
57:41 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's taking ice baths, I guess to deal with the pain or the heat or both.
57:47 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
57:49 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_04]: In the comics, John is literally his cousin here.
57:53 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure if we're meant to think he's his cousin or not because he says he's been on his own since he was a kid and then John found him.
58:00 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he said, I think he said his.
58:03 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He said cousin John, but does he mean it literally?
58:06 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:08 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
58:08 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
58:09 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
58:10 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like they didn't like that in a gang.
58:13 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
58:14 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:15 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think cousin is the family term definitely nothing.
58:19 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
58:21 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you think of cousin John played by many Montana?
58:24 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I like him.
58:26 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I like him.
58:27 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's really slimy.
58:31 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a criminal should be.
58:34 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_04]: He's the most violent and forceful of the group.
58:37 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He's currently HR recruiter getaway driver at Nive Specialist.
58:41 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's everything, you know, like a true criminal.
58:45 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I believe them, you know, I brought into the character.
58:52 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_04]: So one thing I want to know more about, at one point we see him walking this big, beautiful dog.
58:58 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Where is that dog?
59:00 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a dog.
59:00 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_04]: He's a family at home who's taking care of the dog.
59:03 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where the dog is.
59:09 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about the dog.
59:10 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But we know where he's at.
59:12 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
59:13 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We know where the dog.
59:15 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We know the way the dog.
59:19 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't know, like, did he have a partner, did he have a housemate, at least, or, I mean, because I was like a big-ass dog, that's a dog you need a yard for.
59:29 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That is.
59:33 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so we meet the rest of the team.
59:34 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_04]: We meet the other star, really, is Slug, who's played by Shay Kule.
59:40 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Shay Kule is a famous drag queen from RuPaul's Drag Race.
59:48 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you call out contestants and Rupal's Drag Race.
59:50 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_04]: She, otherwise, Shikulei, I think goes by day, real name, jar and marrow.
59:56 --> 01:00:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, she won the All Stars and was like runner up for a season that was very controversial that she didn't win.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So she's a huge favorite.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So people were really excited to see it here.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you think of this slug?
01:00:10 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like this slug.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they didn't do the comics slug.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't understand why this character would allow themselves to be called slug, but this is absolutely nothing like the comics version.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that they did into the comics version.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_04]: which is like, but like, why, just call, I'm so happy we have this character and not that character, but why are we giving this character the name Slug?
01:00:38 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I think Shakeelade deserves a better name.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is true, too.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why I said, I don't, I didn't want to see the comic characters because- No.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The comic characters just like, this morbidly obese figure.
01:00:54 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, yeah, and we don't need those characters, I think.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not here for that.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I mean, this is a much cooler character with a distinct personality.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_04]: We find out out of the entire crew, this is the only character we get in any sort of origins.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we get a little bit origin story from the others, but I guess we should presume the others are from Chicago.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about the blood siblings that are met with their different accents, but we hear that slug is from Madger Poor.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And Madger Poor, fictional place.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw it in Shang-Chi.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw it in Faulkner and the Winter Soldier.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She says she's from Madger Poor that she's just the most wanted in Madger Poor.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_04]: No, she said she's from Madger Poor.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And then later said that her aspiration or their aspiration is to go back to Madger Poor and open up a Michelin and start restaurant.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_04]: So, flood considers Madger Poor.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Home.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:01:55 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, they were wanted because they were, what was it?
01:02:00 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_04]: They were like stealing from high rollers, mandrapoirs, somebody like that anyway.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_04]: But this is the hacker Robin Hood character.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And by the way, fun fact.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know if any of the rich to give to the poor themselves.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's fair.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I learned a fun factor.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The Chakulei also inspired the look of an X-Men character who's popped up recently called shade or dark veil, which is a drag queen member of the X-Men that they
01:02:47 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it has a different story and everything, but they modeled this character's look after Shaikulek.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow, and I did.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and Dark Vale can control the Dark Force to tell a bit.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_04]: It teleport himself and others.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, cloak.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, cloak and dagger.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, true, good point.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when are we getting them back?
01:03:09 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_04]: We already have them cast.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I got into that show.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_04]: They did a good dynamic.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I like them.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we have, we have clown play by Sonya Dennis, clown is the pirate technique specialist.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is the character who first we see is most ready to gossip with rere about Parker.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And then is the one who breaks into the vault and wears the hood.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like clown.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I am worried for you.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I like her, though.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I like clown.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like her.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_04]: She's fun.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Is she wants to be an explosives entrepreneur on the black market?
01:03:46 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No, this is going to open up a school for...
01:03:49 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, I have a money laundering scheme.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So the blood siblings, I know this is after the blood brothers, but I have to say the first time I heard blood siblings.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, yeah, okay, they're not adopted.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Now I get it.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_04]: The last name is blood.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_04]: But the blood siblings are Ra's play by Shakira Barera, whom I know from glow.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And Jerry played by Zoe Terracus, who I know from talk to me.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_04]: And they are the muscle basically, and they have been kicked out of everywhere for unsportsmen like behavior.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's funny.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_04]: The casting is great in the fact that they do look like real siblings like their faces.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They do, yeah, they do.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_04]: but they've completely different accents because Jerry, the actors from Australia.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So, I don't know, I need that backstory because I have to assume the rest, we heard slugs from Magipura, so the rest are from Chicago.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm thinking that everybody else is from Chicago.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right?
01:04:58 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_04]: If not specified?
01:05:00 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And then their aspiration is to start an underground fight club, of course.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the final member of the crew, who we see so little of, because, okay, Stewart's aka Ram Page, it's played by Eric Andrey, and Eric Andrey, like this is one of the faces that I immediately knew.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was so surprised at how quickly like we how little we saw of this character.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We barely knew you.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't know you at all.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you think about rampage?
01:05:38 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Well first of all the fact that why are they they all get to have their stupid names, but they won't call Stuart rampage.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like so weird.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the butt of jokes in the crew.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, surprise that he was like, you said that he was gone.
01:05:55 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you know, second episode, I'm like, well, what does that do that?
01:06:01 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's going on?
01:06:03 --> 01:06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, they just totally replaced them already.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, after Rip, and I was like, oh my gosh, like, is he gonna show up again?
01:06:11 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:06:13 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And lo and behold, no.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Not sure how tough it can.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you?
01:06:18 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You've gone off a good.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think the John did kill him?
01:06:22 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think Parker did.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_04]: You do.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It's because, like, if you get fired, you give all the way fired.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Parker did.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's messed up.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And then rereads like, oh, I'm saving money to quit when I can and the others, especially slugs looking at her like, you think you can quit that super cute girl.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she can't.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you get, you get in bed with these, man.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, everybody thinks you could just get out.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't get, just get out.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get it.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't get it because it's very hard to get out.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And re-reusks Parker, we oceans eleven or the surprise us and Parker says, what's the difference?
01:07:19 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think there's a difference?
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a great answer.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a great answer.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's a difference.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think there's a difference.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think the difference is?
01:07:30 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the ocean eleven crew
01:07:35 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They violence was not their first second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth option to solve a problem.
01:07:50 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony, the, the, the soprano crew.
01:07:55 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no other option to solve problems, except the violence.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a difference.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:04 [SPEAKER_04]: So which is this crew?
01:08:06 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I think on the scale.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The crew is more ocean eleven.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Parker Robbins is sopranos.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And John, do you think it's more violent?
01:08:19 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_04]: The hood or John?
01:08:21 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Parker.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Because we saw John like slam clowns head into the table.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take in the hood.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_04]: and go after Riri with a knife?
01:08:38 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's in service of Parker.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all in service of Parker.
01:08:49 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Were you surprised?
01:08:52 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_04]: We knew that Riri obviously was doing questionable things in college with the whole plagiarism thing, but were you surprised that she was one over by money in the recruitment?
01:09:04 --> 01:09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, you know, she made a terrible choice.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:09:12 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But here she is.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We just know she got, you know, she's no longer down with Sherry.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: She got kicked out of school.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Her mom is not rich.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not rich.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And she wants to be bigger than her circumstance.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's flashing a couple of, you know, a couple of grand at you, saying, yo, I can give you this and it's low risk for you.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people are gonna say, yeah, let me do that.
01:09:55 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:09:57 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wasn't surprised that she took the money.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wish that she didn't take the money, because I know what taking the money comes with.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and to have her have to learn that lesson is as painful.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But you think, at the point where she's in that apartment, she knows where the secret hideout is.
01:10:24 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_04]: She knows who the crew is.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Was there any way she was walking out that door?
01:10:30 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_04]: If she didn't say yes.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was ever a question for her ago.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So whether she, they would have let her leave or not, I don't think is the question because she never even thought about that.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So she didn't make the decision based on the safety of herself or mom.
01:10:49 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: She made the decision saying, you know, I could get ten racks right now.
01:10:53 --> 01:10:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:10:54 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a lot of money in that bag.
01:10:55 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:10:56 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:10:56 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What can these ten racks do for me right now?
01:11:00 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what she did.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So she didn't make the decision thinking, man, I've seen all of this stuff now that I'm not going to let me leave.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not why she chose what she chose.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_04]: It is interesting.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't tell the group about her super intelligent AI.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't put all your cards out there.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, that's fair.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:19 [SPEAKER_04]: That's fair.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, but this does kind of lead to a wrinkle in this, this first job.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_04]: that they do.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_04]: We know we hear from John says to Parker in the beginning of their first episode that there's some jobs coming up.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:36 [SPEAKER_04]: There's this Sheila Zerate Tunnel job.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_04]: There's heirloom and that's the one we see in episode three.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_04]: There's one other and then there's quote unquote the big job.
01:11:45 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And cousin John also says later that Parker is being blinded by a personal vendetta, which I assume is related to the big job.
01:11:56 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_04]: And while he says this Parker is glowering at the CEO of artworks on the new screen.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Who's quoted saying like oh the coward who's doing the operations and stuff interesting thing is the CEO of artworks his name is Arthur Robbins So it seems like this vendetta might be personal considering the last name is shared
01:12:27 --> 01:12:30 [SPEAKER_04]: But yet this first job is an underground electro magnetic highway takeover.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So they have this underground highway that moves cars around the electro magnetic.
01:12:34 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So obviously it's for rich people taking a lot of resources to build and going to bring in a lot of money.
01:12:41 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And so
01:12:42 --> 01:13:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Parker basically black males this Sheila by having like the rest of the team set up to shut down the garage so that he can say like I control your operations, but Natalie, who's been told by Ronnie, like, oh, if you want to get past rereads, well, as you've got to force your way in, while rereads like do say flying through the tunnel to do this job, Natalie's like surprise.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but that was such a great, you know, just a position like, you got to break through her walls and she's literally breaking through the firewalls, you know?
01:13:17 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was just so, so cool.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that little play on words.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because she surprises her, the re-read drops the USB stick that had the software that she needed to use.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_04]: So now they got a
01:13:32 --> 01:13:51 [SPEAKER_04]: They got to do a work around and rereads like nearly getting crushed to death which it's like what happened to you I've got your back like I do but you were going very slow and then we see and so this is interesting so
01:13:52 --> 01:14:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So after they finally they get the job well done and then afterwards there's a security guard pointing a gun at them and Natalie just freezes because she has a gun pointed at her and obviously the real Natalie was shot to death but then it's unclear to me is the PSPTSD is that in the code part of the AI or is this a reflection of
01:14:19 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_04]: of re-re-freezing because she's remembering this.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:24 [SPEAKER_04]: What happened?
01:14:25 --> 01:14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's in the code.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's in the code and this is the first time that Natalie AI dealt with a situation that that situation that re-rewent through.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's in the code.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, that is the question is, because there's also later on when rereads having an anxiety attack and Natalie helps her.
01:14:53 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_04]: And Natalie says, we are, I mean, you are, and it made me think like how much are they directly linked.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And we see here some of the hoods powers, the hood can bend bullets.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And the hood also, well, this I know from the comics and they give a suggestion to it.
01:15:14 --> 01:15:17 [SPEAKER_04]: The hood turns invisible when he holds his breath.
01:15:17 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's why when we hear when the hood sits down and it appears in the seat next to that woman Sheila, we hear an exhalation.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, yeah, good point.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they don't, I kind of appreciate that they're not like he's like, by the way, my powers are eight.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I like this, I like this.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I like that they kept them with the guns too.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because in the comics, he, that's what he wanted.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He has two guns.
01:15:51 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's out here, you know, wearing two guns on his hip and they shoot magic bullets.
01:15:57 --> 01:15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and bullets get in.
01:15:59 --> 01:16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: you don't even hurt or even kill like super humans.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm interested to see how that plays.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and any other powers that might be in there too.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he blackmailed Sheila's.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:27 [SPEAKER_04]: He says, basically, we'll ruin your garage and make you very unattractive to investors unless you put my team on the payroll as anonymous part owners and grant us free access to the highway.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, if they got their way in the next time we see them, they are literally raining money on each other.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, should we take a quick break here?
01:16:38 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's do it.
01:16:39 --> 01:16:46 [SPEAKER_04]: When we get back, we'll talk about the last major character we haven't discussed and how this batch of episodes ends.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's talk Tony's tech science.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to set us up?
01:17:09 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Rewee's hunt for parts for her suit.
01:17:12 --> 01:17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Lees are to a shady tech bro who has a problem with standing up for himself.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Rewee pushes him to find his backbone while coursing him to let her plunder his tech ways.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: In a friendship starts to be forged.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so.
01:17:28 --> 01:17:31 [SPEAKER_04]: How did you feel about Joe McGillacotti in your class?
01:17:34 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was fun to see the actors Alden Aaron Reich who plays Han Solo in Solo.
01:17:42 --> 01:17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: He played Hobbie Doyle in Hell Caesar.
01:17:44 --> 01:17:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I like him, so it was glad to see him pop up.
01:17:48 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we also see him go through an interesting character arc in just, I mean he's not even in the first episode on thick, so just in two episodes basically.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_04]: But then, yeah, we find out, he's actually a rich techie whose dad is named, name is Obadiya S. And he says, Obadiya is a common name.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And this makes me bark out and laugh every time I say, it is absolutely not any.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a common name, right?
01:18:13 --> 01:18:14 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a common name.
01:18:14 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not common name.
01:18:15 --> 01:18:17 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going around being named Obadiya outside the Bible.
01:18:21 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_04]: So Obedaya was played by Jeff Bridges, and he was the main villain in the original Iron Man movie.
01:18:28 --> 01:18:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to remind people what his deal was?
01:18:32 --> 01:18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wanted to take over his dark industries.
01:18:36 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted only out of the way.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He built his own fleet of Iron Man armors.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he, he piloted one himself.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That was Iron Monger.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's why we get a reference to the word Iron Monger Joe Slash's Zikael sets it.
01:18:58 --> 01:18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's right.
01:18:59 --> 01:18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
01:19:00 --> 01:19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then could I just say, what do you said, you know, my name is Joe McGillacati.
01:19:04 --> 01:19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, this, this is not a Joe McGillacati.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this fake ass name.
01:19:09 --> 01:19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is this?
01:19:09 --> 01:19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was racket by brain.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I get like, who could it be?
01:19:12 --> 01:19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Who could it be?
01:19:14 --> 01:19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, okay, it's a Zikael statement.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I cool.
01:19:18 --> 01:19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me see how the story plays out with this guy.
01:19:21 --> 01:19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But as soon as they say, Joe McGillacadir, I'm Joe McGillacadir, that's impossible.
01:19:26 --> 01:19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Will you excited to see him turn up?
01:19:29 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Joe McGillacadir?
01:19:30 --> 01:19:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, you know, is he Kills too?
01:19:37 --> 01:19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see if this is going to be his villain journey.
01:19:42 --> 01:19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is what sets him on his path to become an villain.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, in the comics, he just basically has father taught him to hate everyone who, oh, dude, just basically hate Tony Stark and everyone associated with Tony Stark.
01:19:59 --> 01:20:06 [SPEAKER_04]: But, but in this version, the public story is that Obadiya Stane died in a plane crash.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_04]: The private story is that, yeah, he fought Tony Stark and then lost.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And, and Obadiah, I mean, sorry, Zikyo, found out the real story and basically says that he disowned him and spent his whole life trying to be nothing like him, uh, says they weren't close.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:31 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I like that they're not just giving him the motivation of like, my father's enemy is my enemy, you know.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:20:32 --> 01:20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I want to see if his, if his is villains or any because, and, you know, when they started talking about him, but, uh,
01:20:41 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: all the bio tech that he's doing and things of that nature like that's a big part of the comic book, you know, easy kill stain.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:20:50 --> 01:20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it's, yeah, I want to, that's he started doing the experiments on him already.
01:20:57 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He started a little bit.
01:20:58 --> 01:20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He started, yeah.
01:21:00 --> 01:21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So, don't see how he becomes what he becomes in the comic books.
01:21:07 --> 01:21:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it's interesting if we replace a role in that because she's encouraging him to stand up for himself.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But now she's absolutely dead because she left.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She dropped the arm.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the answer.
01:21:24 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: to chop them on the floor.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But even before that, just like encouraging him to stand up to his neighbor and his colleague and stuff, and then we see his beheading flowers now, he's blackmailing, re-re-back.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, granted both of those things so far are kind of deserved, but you wonder, right?
01:21:42 --> 01:21:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:21:43 --> 01:21:44 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the beginning of his slippery slope.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I love by the way.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I just have to call this out whenever it happens.
01:21:51 --> 01:21:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, she shows up at his house and she's like, I want some parts music.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what you're talking about.
01:21:56 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he says, maybe whoever you're looking for forgot to change his address on the black market.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:03 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, listen.
01:22:03 --> 01:22:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, TV writers in general, the black market, the dark web, these are types of websites.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:15 [SPEAKER_04]: There is not a place called the black market.com.
01:22:16 --> 01:22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a website that exists.
01:22:18 --> 01:22:20 [SPEAKER_01]: How good is it to the black market today?
01:22:21 --> 01:22:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I put my address on the black market.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I just needed to take it and yeah, and by the way, if you're information on the black market or the dark web, you are not getting it back.
01:22:35 --> 01:22:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Unless you're a really good hacker.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, yes, it's cold of Riri though.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:44 [SPEAKER_04]: She threatens him with an anonymous call to the FBI.
01:22:44 --> 01:22:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're seeing a really, I mean, I think everyone except Riri's mom is
01:22:50 --> 01:22:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And Natalie, I guess, is really morally gray.
01:22:53 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And is, and, um, uh, savior.
01:22:57 --> 01:23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we're seeing a reread that we don't want to see.
01:23:02 --> 01:23:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:23:02 --> 01:23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the bottom line for me.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want her to be this, where she is right now.
01:23:09 --> 01:23:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:23:11 --> 01:23:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Was it Lenna Smorset, your jam?
01:23:14 --> 01:23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah.
01:23:15 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't nobody tell you they rock out to that song.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: All multiple songs of hers.
01:23:20 --> 01:23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be real.
01:23:21 --> 01:23:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:23:23 --> 01:23:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:23:23 --> 01:23:24 [SPEAKER_04]: No, that was a fun scene.
01:23:26 --> 01:23:27 [SPEAKER_04]: But this is the question.
01:23:27 --> 01:23:32 [SPEAKER_04]: So she is, you know, questioning whether he would hurt her and he says, that's hilarious.
01:23:32 --> 01:23:34 [SPEAKER_04]: You thought I was capable of something like that.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think he is capable of killing her or others at this point is from what you know if him so far?
01:23:42 --> 01:23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point?
01:23:43 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But in the future, yes.
01:23:51 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't become that yet.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So right now, I don't think so.
01:23:56 --> 01:23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But can he become that?
01:23:57 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:23:58 --> 01:23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:24:00 --> 01:24:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:24:00 --> 01:24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has like, whipping, you know, missiles in his bunker.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a bunker full of things that could blow up town.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Is he going to return them?
01:24:13 --> 01:24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:24:14 --> 01:24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: OK.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: has not done so yet.
01:24:16 --> 01:24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, he's had these particular things and none of them have been returned.
01:24:21 --> 01:24:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's he has all over his house, eat prey love signs.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like this.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:28 [SPEAKER_04]: This is the artwork of a serial killer.
01:24:29 --> 01:24:32 [SPEAKER_04]: You have nothing but eat prey love signs is your decor.
01:24:37 --> 01:24:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you had you heard of?
01:24:39 --> 01:24:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd never heard of.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I had to look this up.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:43 [SPEAKER_04]: The drink called an AMF.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if it's like, I don't know after a time, but apparently it's an audio, some other fucker cocktail.
01:24:51 --> 01:24:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's five different types of alcohol together.
01:24:56 --> 01:25:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's basically it's a long island, but instead you take out the triple second cola and replace that with blue kurosau and like, right.
01:25:05 --> 01:25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Not at mercy.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so sounds like very like a summer drink that's going to mess you up.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like an adios motherfucker.
01:25:13 --> 01:25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: There.
01:25:14 --> 01:25:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:25:17 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, they, I mean, I like Riri and, I don't know, are we calling him Joe or Zik?
01:25:23 --> 01:25:24 [SPEAKER_04]: No, Zik.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I like Riri and Zik together.
01:25:28 --> 01:25:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they have a nice budding friendship and I, I don't want him to turn against her.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I want them to be friends.
01:25:36 --> 01:25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree, agreed.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, I think it's going to happen.
01:25:44 --> 01:25:44 [SPEAKER_04]: You think he's going to turn?
01:25:45 --> 01:25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:25:47 --> 01:25:48 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see, okay.
01:25:49 --> 01:25:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, I know, I based on the comics, yeah.
01:25:53 --> 01:25:55 [SPEAKER_04]: But maybe it'll take a while.
01:25:55 --> 01:25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
01:25:57 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he'll be complex.
01:25:58 --> 01:25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
01:26:01 --> 01:26:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Like in, like, you know, we were seeing some complex wavering in the, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man for season, which certainly canonically within the characters.
01:26:13 --> 01:26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair, that's fair.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:19 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about re-resuit?
01:26:19 --> 01:26:28 [SPEAKER_04]: We find out, we found out on this scene the way it works is she has a magnetic repulsion field which keeps her from, I guess, buffing into things.
01:26:28 --> 01:26:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's her suit, she doesn't have an arc reactor because they don't just hand those out fair.
01:26:34 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's solar and wind powered.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And we see, like, the little solar wind.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that was great.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It looked awesome.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely right.
01:26:45 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They looked awesome coming down with the, you know, the solar, what do they call the solar panels?
01:26:55 --> 01:26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like an iron angel.
01:26:57 --> 01:26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just looked awesome.
01:26:58 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Looked really great.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And wind power seems like a smart way to power the suit because, yeah, solar, obviously, that's we're expressing daytime, but wind power as you are flying, you're generating wind.
01:27:10 --> 01:27:11 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's kind of, yeah.
01:27:13 --> 01:27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a genius.
01:27:15 --> 01:27:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Super smart lady.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and yeah, inspired by her.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So we have this is the son of a tech leader.
01:27:26 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
01:27:26 --> 01:27:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I won't call Opadaya stay in a genius.
01:27:29 --> 01:27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he wasn't because he just took Tony's designs.
01:27:33 --> 01:27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
01:27:34 --> 01:27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:35 --> 01:27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't inventing these things himself.
01:27:37 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He was just, you know, re-appropriating Tony's text.
01:27:41 --> 01:27:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I think in the comics and here Ezekiel is smarter than his father, what do you think?
01:27:49 --> 01:27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the comics he does the same.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: In the comics he's not really... No, but in the comics he thinks himself to be.
01:28:01 --> 01:28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, a genius, but in actuality, all he does is reappropriate Tony's technology.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So in the comics, he, you know, he has a, uh, it's not that he's like read Richards on Tony Stark or, you know, Black Lives Matter.
01:28:20 --> 01:28:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really, really, I'm serious.
01:28:21 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really, yeah, or really, really, really, I'm serious.
01:28:22 --> 01:28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He just takes on the people's technology and, you know, tinkers with it.
01:28:28 --> 01:28:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Here seems like he has some interesting ideas, some better than others, but he's not.
01:28:34 --> 01:28:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But notably, he needs Riri too.
01:28:37 --> 01:28:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:28:39 --> 01:28:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And he admits that too.
01:28:40 --> 01:28:42 [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, he doesn't help me with my ideas.
01:28:42 --> 01:28:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:28:42 --> 01:28:57 [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, uh, three D printed corneas, uh, second iron stomach, which reminded me of there was like a couple episodes in Rick and Morty, um, Rick gave summer his granddaughter a second alcohol stomach to go on some breaks.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:00 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what this is.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Nanotech muscle fibers that increase strength and invulnerability.
01:29:06 --> 01:29:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, hmm, that might come back.
01:29:09 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Laser enhanced fingernails.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:29:12 --> 01:29:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And a bio mesh material for this skin, which obviously becomes a lot of work.
01:29:16 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That means a lot of work.
01:29:18 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a bandage.
01:29:25 --> 01:29:30 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, we see he's already started to implant circuitry into himself.
01:29:30 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_04]: He wants to create a neural link to test the potential for prosthetic implants.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess this is like in Star Wars, Luke Skywalker, spoiler for, you know,
01:29:41 --> 01:29:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, how many fifty years ago would ever Luke Skywalker?
01:29:45 --> 01:29:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, no, sorry.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm aging all of us.
01:29:48 --> 01:29:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's like forty years ago with Star Wars the second one, but he loses a hand and then he gets a
01:29:57 --> 01:30:11 [SPEAKER_04]: a fake hand, you know, a prosthetic hand for placement, but it's still operated by his brain and basically what Ezekiel is implanting in himself is the neurolink that makes that possible.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:30:13 --> 01:30:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So, and that's definitely setting up.
01:30:15 --> 01:30:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you probably are more familiar with him from the comics.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what he does.
01:30:20 --> 01:30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He enhances his own body with his tech.
01:30:24 --> 01:30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why it was, you know, when she started talking about, you know, all the biometric, the biotechnology that he wants to and I'm like, oh, okay.
01:30:34 --> 01:30:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then rereads actually at this point, she's like, the more problematic one here, you know, she's like, I want to use this bio mesh and enhance it with silicone greeting to cloak, you know, hidden byonic enhancements and seeks like, couldn't that be used to violate all kinds of concealed weapons laws and she's a guess, Narc.
01:30:57 --> 01:31:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, you know, this is all black market tech that I have heavily modified and could be traced back to me.
01:31:06 --> 01:31:09 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't use it to make something even more illegal.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:10 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know what?
01:31:11 --> 01:31:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I am Zika's right on this one.
01:31:13 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's right.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she drops it.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_04]: She says, I promise it won't blow back on you, cut to.
01:31:21 --> 01:31:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a villain in the making.
01:31:23 --> 01:31:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You just ruined my life.
01:31:25 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you want to set us up for the cut, too?
01:31:29 --> 01:31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Deadly mistakes.
01:31:31 --> 01:31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Rui has grown suspicious of the hood after what she's seen and heard.
01:31:35 --> 01:31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: On the next job, infiltrating a high-tech greenhouse complex.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Rui gives Natalie control of the suit while she sneaks off to try to slice off a piece of the hood's cape for analysis.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But everything goes wrong.
01:31:48 --> 01:31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Rui accidentally exposes that she's spying on the hood to John.
01:31:52 --> 01:31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And when the greenhouse begins to light down, she leaves him to die.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Like damn.
01:31:58 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
01:31:59 --> 01:32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That took me that took me hours like I was very I was like, oh, way in there.
01:32:03 --> 01:32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.
01:32:04 --> 01:32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're going to go back.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great.
01:32:08 --> 01:32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense that you don't go back.
01:32:12 --> 01:32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I get why you don't go back, but you're going back.
01:32:15 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
01:32:15 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
01:32:17 --> 01:32:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I guess, yeah, because she was, he was chasing her with a knife.
01:32:22 --> 01:32:24 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and she had hurt her ankle too.
01:32:24 --> 01:32:33 [SPEAKER_04]: So she is a, and, and she, they're all running out of oxygen and then Natalie swoops in and saves her puts her in the suit.
01:32:33 --> 01:32:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So she gets oxygen back and flies her out of there and, and just leaves him.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not like she's like,
01:32:41 --> 01:32:51 [SPEAKER_04]: leave him to die, but she doesn't stop it, but also she's just recovering herself and she was, he was just trying to make an excuse.
01:32:51 --> 01:32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, she left them to die.
01:32:57 --> 01:32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She got a gun, she got a gun back.
01:33:00 --> 01:33:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is also the, this is where it also becomes a question of is Natalie an extension of her own thoughts because if so, then she double-left him to die there.
01:33:10 --> 01:33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but I was, I was shot.
01:33:13 --> 01:33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I truly was shot.
01:33:15 --> 01:33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think this was going and she did.
01:33:17 --> 01:33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, wow, okay.
01:33:20 --> 01:33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
01:33:21 --> 01:33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it because you already know what happened to rampage.
01:33:25 --> 01:33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So I get it.
01:33:27 --> 01:33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What's still?
01:33:30 --> 01:33:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And she accuses John and John does not say no to killing rampage.
01:33:34 --> 01:33:41 [SPEAKER_04]: He does not say I did not do it, but although I'm not I'm one hundred percent sure what happened there or if he was covering for Parker.
01:33:41 --> 01:33:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
01:33:42 --> 01:33:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's covering for Parker, but that makes it even sadder.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:47 [SPEAKER_04]: know.
01:33:48 --> 01:33:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, even before that, I was shocked.
01:33:50 --> 01:33:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, I was shocked by Parker.
01:33:53 --> 01:34:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So we find out, yeah, the reason why she has to sneak in this tech under the bandade is that it's supposed to be no metal inside because this heirloom CEO Hunter Mason, he is this cutting edge farming technology, especially preserved antique seeds.
01:34:10 --> 01:34:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So they have this system of greenhouse is that
01:34:15 --> 01:34:18 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, they try to take control of it the same way they took control of the tunnel.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But uh, and slug turns off the fire detectors and there's like we're going to burn the greenhouse is down.
01:34:24 --> 01:34:26 [SPEAKER_04]: The five greenhouse is down one at a time.
01:34:27 --> 01:34:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but then I guess they don't know the entire security system because the doors auto seal with the team inside and start pumping in CO two.
01:34:38 --> 01:34:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we see like I suppose I would have expected Parker to try to get the tech to reverse it.
01:34:46 --> 01:34:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And instead he just snapped his neck.
01:34:48 --> 01:34:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And that was the first thing that we made me go like, whoa, and that's even before he relieves.
01:34:52 --> 01:34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And then his eyes would eyes.
01:34:55 --> 01:34:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Go dark, yeah.
01:34:56 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his eyes go dark.
01:34:57 --> 01:34:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Go demonic, yeah.
01:35:00 --> 01:35:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But I felt for him at the end when they all come out and John doesn't come out.
01:35:04 --> 01:35:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And John was like the only guy Parker trusted.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:35:10 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he says he says to be, please, go look for him.
01:35:13 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Please.
01:35:13 --> 01:35:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And his voice kind of breaks.
01:35:15 --> 01:35:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, oh my gosh, and Ruby's like, I'm going to go look for him even though I already knew what what happened.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:24 [SPEAKER_04]: That was like heartbreaking ending.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That was.
01:35:25 --> 01:35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It was.
01:35:29 --> 01:35:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Can I ask?
01:35:30 --> 01:35:41 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, I'm going to give you three characters and I'm going to ask you to which is the least to most moral, like least to most deserving of death.
01:35:41 --> 01:35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:35:42 --> 01:35:46 [SPEAKER_04]: A quick murder bot spoiler for halfway through the first season.
01:35:47 --> 01:35:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get forward once we don't want to hear it.
01:35:51 --> 01:35:57 [SPEAKER_04]: The three characters are Parker, John, and Libby from Murderer.
01:35:59 --> 01:36:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Levi's the worst.
01:36:01 --> 01:36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Levi's the worst.
01:36:02 --> 01:36:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Levi's the worst.
01:36:03 --> 01:36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Levi's the worst.
01:36:05 --> 01:36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Levi's the top of my list.
01:36:07 --> 01:36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Levi's at the top of the list.
01:36:08 --> 01:36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: She's terrible.
01:36:09 --> 01:36:12 [SPEAKER_03]: She only shot someone in the knee.
01:36:12 --> 01:36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but she tried to blow up.
01:36:14 --> 01:36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She tried to blow up, set.
01:36:16 --> 01:36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And um, uh, I want to get her in.
01:36:19 --> 01:36:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And Mensa, yes.
01:36:21 --> 01:36:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:36:21 --> 01:36:22 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: She would've, she wouldn't have succeeded.
01:36:23 --> 01:36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And she would've killed all of them.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She would have.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: to get to make a getaway.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I told you, I told you.
01:36:33 --> 01:36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I can't trust LeBee, but can't trust it.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as soon as I said, can't trust LeBee, we look what she did.
01:36:41 --> 01:36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.
01:36:44 --> 01:36:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like her name is Little BB.
01:36:49 --> 01:36:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
01:36:50 --> 01:36:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like these guys are worse, but you are convincing me.
01:36:53 --> 01:37:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I was blaming a lot of stuff on John, but now I'm wondering if actually your right Parker was, is the worst of the two.
01:37:01 --> 01:37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And no forget there's also something else.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also something else pushing Parker along the way.
01:37:06 --> 01:37:11 [SPEAKER_04]: You mean, whomever he got the suit from or whatever.
01:37:11 --> 01:37:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
01:37:15 --> 01:37:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so we get a tease at the end.
01:37:17 --> 01:37:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, what a way to end it.
01:37:19 --> 01:37:22 [SPEAKER_04]: So back home Parker, he's he's yelling at the flashing lights.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I trusted you and I'm done with you.
01:37:24 --> 01:37:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he sees he sees a vision basically of John dying of him like suffocating to death.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he sees a shadow standing over him that shaped like rereads iron suit.
01:37:39 --> 01:37:41 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's getting a vision of how John actually died.
01:37:43 --> 01:37:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm sure that's going to go very well.
01:37:45 --> 01:37:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll pick up next week for really specifically.
01:37:48 --> 01:38:00 [SPEAKER_04]: And what's also going to go well is indeed that bio mesh that she left behind after the whole, like, don't be afraid to get your fingerprints on everything, shenanigans.
01:38:00 --> 01:38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you, when you, when you're not built for it, you just do stupid shit.
01:38:07 --> 01:38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You just, it,
01:38:09 --> 01:38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm sorry.
01:38:10 --> 01:38:13 [SPEAKER_04]: She should be inventing, but she's not a criminal mastermind.
01:38:13 --> 01:38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's not.
01:38:14 --> 01:38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not.
01:38:15 --> 01:38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you just do, you fumble on so many occasions and little ways and big ways.
01:38:24 --> 01:38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:38:25 --> 01:38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's fumbled and big ways in this last episode.
01:38:31 --> 01:38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not a criminal.
01:38:35 --> 01:38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Not that.
01:38:37 --> 01:38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not cut for that, you know?
01:38:40 --> 01:38:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, yes, so we're going to see how all this shakes out in the last three episodes next week.
01:38:47 --> 01:38:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And we know that we're going to meet at least one new character because we know Sasha Baron Cohen's in the cast.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And we have not seen him yet.
01:38:54 --> 01:39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And one thing I'll say to is that I'm glad that she finally admitted that she's not okay.
01:39:04 --> 01:39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: At the end.
01:39:05 --> 01:39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Natalie asked, uh, you are right.
01:39:07 --> 01:39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay?
01:39:07 --> 01:39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:39:08 --> 01:39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:39:09 --> 01:39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:39:10 --> 01:39:11 [SPEAKER_04]: That's good.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
01:39:11 --> 01:39:12 [SPEAKER_04]: That's progress.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's progress.
01:39:14 --> 01:39:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:16 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
01:39:16 --> 01:39:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, last three episodes drop.
01:39:19 --> 01:39:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, next week on July first or second Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on where you live.
01:39:23 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we will be back.
01:39:25 --> 01:39:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Not too long after that first for Superman, which comes out to a lot of tents.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll be back sometime after that.
01:39:30 --> 01:39:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I already got my ticket.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm going to get my I'm going to reserve this weekend.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And then after that's going to be fantastic for, which is just a couple weeks later.
01:39:40 --> 01:39:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yay!
01:39:41 --> 01:39:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to reserve this weekend as well.
01:39:44 --> 01:39:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And then after that, and then in August, twenty first, peacemaker starts.
01:39:51 --> 01:39:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think we're getting one week for eight weeks.
01:39:54 --> 01:39:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks so.
01:39:56 --> 01:39:58 [SPEAKER_04]: August into early October, I guess.
01:39:58 --> 01:39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:40:00 --> 01:40:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not going to set us up for some Marvel zombies.
01:40:03 --> 01:40:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Or I can't win, is that come out?
01:40:05 --> 01:40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is it coming out still?
01:40:07 --> 01:40:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's still coming out when is it, all right.
01:40:10 --> 01:40:11 [SPEAKER_04]: August six.
01:40:12 --> 01:40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:16 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it's going to be four episodes dropped at once, I think.
01:40:17 --> 01:40:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:40:18 --> 01:40:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
01:40:19 --> 01:40:19 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
01:40:20 --> 01:40:24 [SPEAKER_04]: So we we've geek summer continues, but first we're going to shut iron hearts.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:26 [SPEAKER_04]: So a good start, a good start.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's a good conclusion.
01:40:30 --> 01:40:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, there's two more weeks of murder bot coming.
01:40:33 --> 01:40:43 [SPEAKER_04]: If you have feedback for any of this stuff, send it to lorhounds at the lorhounds.com or to MCU at the lorhounds.com if it's about Marvel specifically.
01:40:44 --> 01:40:54 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a link tree in the show notes which among with a bunch of links one of which is to the discord where we have forums for Marvel for DC for everything else with spoiler chats.
01:40:55 --> 01:41:00 [SPEAKER_04]: We also we have a chat set up under there for Ironheart as well.
01:41:00 --> 01:41:23 [SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing you should be looking out for from us in a couple days is we are we did for subscribers a twenty eight days and twenty eight weeks later look back last week I think it was and now we're recording this weekend twenty eight years later and I know you just saw it great movie
01:41:25 --> 01:41:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41:26 --> 01:41:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:41:27 --> 01:41:29 [SPEAKER_04]: It's my number two movie of the year so so far.
01:41:29 --> 01:41:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I could say why I can see why great movie.
01:41:34 --> 01:41:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Great great.
01:41:34 --> 01:41:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Looking forward to breaking that down.
01:41:36 --> 01:41:38 [SPEAKER_04]: We can talk about the low slows and the alphas.
01:41:40 --> 01:41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Lord have mercy.
01:41:43 --> 01:41:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And super cats and patrons, subscribers use it.
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01:41:48 --> 01:41:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Jean and I recently did the Sony Spider-Villinverse power ranking funeral.
01:41:52 --> 01:41:53 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a lot of fun.
01:41:55 --> 01:41:59 [SPEAKER_04]: People are calling out Jean coining the Sony, Sony shit universe.
01:42:01 --> 01:42:04 [SPEAKER_04]: This, that's it.
01:42:05 --> 01:42:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And we have a couple of levinces, the movie, the monthly movie club.
01:42:09 --> 01:42:18 [SPEAKER_04]: We just did one for Wes Anderson, where we talked about, especially Isle of Dogs and the Royal Tenant Moms.
01:42:18 --> 01:42:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And July's is going to be the Val Kilmer film fest.
01:42:22 --> 01:42:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're doing voting for which Val Kilmer movie we're going to talk about now.
01:42:27 --> 01:42:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's true.
01:42:28 --> 01:42:30 [SPEAKER_04]: The vote didn't the episode just came out.
01:42:30 --> 01:42:31 [SPEAKER_04]: So you can listen to the vote set up.
01:42:32 --> 01:42:38 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think the vote maybe it will come out before this episode, maybe shortly after.
01:42:38 --> 01:42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, cool.
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01:42:51 --> 01:43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just want to shut out that I was also a guest all this week on the Dune Minute podcast talking about five minutes in the middle of Dune Part II, where we dove especially into the Jessica of it all, which was one of my requests.
01:43:06 --> 01:43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And surprisingly, you wanted to do.
01:43:11 --> 01:43:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm cross-posting one of those episodes on the Walshift Dust feed, which makes sense because Jessica for anyone who doesn't know is played by Rebecca Ferguson, who is also the main character in the silo.
01:43:23 --> 01:43:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm going to do the shoutouts and I have pulled a random one from the epic folder.
01:43:30 --> 01:43:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure you wanted to do this one.
01:43:32 --> 01:43:38 [SPEAKER_04]: This one, it's called bully, and I was going to say it's for John, but you convinced me this is bully for Parker now.
01:43:38 --> 01:43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
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01:44:25 --> 01:44:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Brian eighty sixty-three.
01:44:26 --> 01:44:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Frederick H.
01:44:27 --> 01:44:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Sarah L. Gertzzi, Matthew M. Sarah M. Andrabi, Kwong Yu, Jedi Jedi Bob, Nathan T. Alex V. Sub-Zero, Erin K. Daly V. Mothership, Sixty-One, Nars, Kathy W. LeStu, Jeffrey B. Alisa U. Neal F. Ben B. Scott F. Stevenen, Julia F. Callie S. Illmariel, Ford slash Tim, Paul K. Bobby C. And Always Last, Adrienne.
01:44:53 --> 01:44:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And Jean, you want to take us out?
01:44:55 --> 01:44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do Kevin Feige.
01:44:59 --> 01:45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to challa Tucson.
01:45:03 --> 01:45:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Recast the challa proper.
01:45:05 --> 01:45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Dancing Idris is your new to challa.
01:45:09 --> 01:45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Feige, make the call, do the right thing.
01:45:13 --> 01:45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants Tucson to be the Black Panther.
01:45:18 --> 01:45:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Poor baby Tucson.
01:45:22 --> 01:45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The Lower Hounds podcast is produced and published by the Lower Hounds.
01:45:25 --> 01:45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You can send questions and feedback and voicemails at the LowerHounds.com slash contact.
01:45:31 --> 01:45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Get early and add free access to all LowerHounds podcast at patreon.com slash the Lower Hounds.
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