There's some "Bad Magic" and "Karma's a Glitch" when characters try to say "The Past Is the Past" without dealing with the fallout. Elysia and Jean get into the nitty gritty of the bad decisions made by the lovably imperfect characters of the final three episodes of Ironheart (season 1?) – not to mention all the mystic lore. Then they look forward to where we might pick up these storylines next.
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00:00 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm like, the reason why it upsets me is because I just didn't want her to make that decision.
00:06 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
00:07 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_04]: If that's the decision she actually made because we don't know.
00:10 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_04]: It could have been part of, you know, that whole setup.
00:15 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's questions.
00:20 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_04]: But just seeing her potentially embrace the devil
00:28 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I was so mad.
00:29 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I was just so mad.
00:30 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, no, you cannot do this.
00:32 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't do this with the fucking you don't.
00:33 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't do this.
00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, let's get into it.
01:01 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to comics versus does the MC universe by the hellhounds of lore.
01:06 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_09]: I am Alicia standing by with a pizza and a special deal that will change your life.
01:12 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm John here to tell you something you should already know.
01:15 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Do not take that deal.
01:17 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_04]: But we're talking about it as we talk through Ironheart episodes four through six released this week on Disney Plus.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, we're going to go right into spoilers this time.
01:28 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Check out our last episode covering the first three episodes for a spoiler free intro.
01:34 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_09]: If you're wondering if this is the show for you, but we have a lot to talk about this week and everything Marvel TV movies comics.
01:43 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_09]: all in the table might be brought up for the discussion, but let's get into especially the last three episodes of this two week series.
01:53 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_09]: So we have episode four bad magic, fifty minutes long written by a mere sulliman, episode five, karma's a glitch, I get it.
02:03 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Fifty-seven minutes long, longest of the season, written by Christian Martinez, and the final episode, the past is the past, the shortest of the season of forty minutes long, but definitely the most packed way of what the fuckery, that one was written by the showrunner herself, Chanaka Hodge, and all three were directed by Angela Barnes, who's done budget directing work for shows like Mythic Quest at Atlanta, Luke, etc.
02:30 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_09]: So, Jean, all spoilers on the table, what are your overall thoughts about this last batch of episodes?
02:38 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm gonna be honest, this is one of my favorite Disney Plus shows.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.
02:45 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really, I think that
02:50 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_04]: The discourse surrounding the show was premature and really undeserved of what the show really is.
03:01 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_04]: They did a great job with reread Williams introducing her properly to the MCU, because I feel like we talked about in our last episodes that BP II didn't really give her the proper introduction, I don't think.
03:18 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But here you really find Riri and you really find who she is and what is driving her, her family, her friends just overall good character building for someone who I think should be a part of the MCU going forward.
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_04]: They really made me invest in some of these characters.
03:44 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_04]: And that is something that is hard to do in six episodes when you're dropping three episodes at a time when also everyone does surrounding noise is telling you that the show is not worth it, right?
03:59 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_04]: This was absolutely, absolutely worth viewing.
04:06 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_04]: the dynamic that she has with all the characters, both friend and phone, like, really hit.
04:17 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_04]: So I am super happy that this show aired.
04:21 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of aired maybe a little bit too late.
04:24 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think it would have fit better after BP, too.
04:30 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_04]: to give us some continuity with the character.
04:33 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_04]: But, I mean, this was a great show for me.
04:40 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
04:41 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
04:42 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, to talk about that noise that you're talking about.
04:47 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_09]: I noticed it.
04:48 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_09]: I was just trying to look up a point of lore while I was putting together the notes.
04:52 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
04:53 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_09]: And I stumbled across a discussion on Quora online randomly.
04:59 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_09]: And it was just like someone was like, why, why is there all the hatred toward the comics?
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_09]: This was before.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_09]: This is from years old.
05:07 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
05:08 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_04]: When the comic came out,
05:09 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
05:09 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
05:10 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_09]: And I just was so frustrated by the responses where this person posted something that everyone in these comments completely misunderstood from a comic where Riri is in class talking to a teacher and like
05:32 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_09]: Basically, she expects the teacher to tell her to lower her expectations.
05:36 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_09]: But this teacher does not tell her to lower her expectations.
05:39 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_09]: And people are like, see, she just wants to be the victim.
05:42 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_09]: She's looking to be the victim.
05:43 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_09]: And it's just every single comment to me, sorry.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to call it out.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Red, like, failed racism.
05:50 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not veiled and don't be sorry for calling it out.
05:54 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_04]: How many times do we have to talk about this, you know, like, you know, white people, white critics, specifically who can't center themselves in stories that don't have whiteness?
06:06 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_09]: These were randos by the way, not professional critics, they'll just say.
06:09 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm not going to say they're, I don't know the race of those people in the quarrel.
06:15 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's pretty.
06:16 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_09]: We were just in that comments.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_09]: It's come exactly.
06:19 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_04]: But specifically to the discourse around in this show with critics who couldn't see themselves in this show, right?
06:30 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, can't see themselves as a young black woman from Chicago.
06:35 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_04]: don't see where they fit into that narrative, right?
06:39 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Into the narrative of a youth, you know, that maybe they don't want to know about, right?
06:47 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think that you're wrong, but I only say it's not thinly veiled racism.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just racism.
06:57 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_04]: The comments are sexes, their races.
07:00 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_09]: And all the sexism, too.
07:02 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_04]: All of that surrounding the show before it even aired, like who needs this?
07:07 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
07:08 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_04]: And then when it aired, I think one of the first things I saw was like, oh, I'm not even going to name the people because I don't want to drive traffic to those sites or whatever.
07:21 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Something regarding
07:23 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_04]: how she was speaking and oh this is just like what this is what we need like because she's speaking and you know like a young black woman from shy time will speak right and she's not trying to coach which you know what I mean and it's just like infuriating to recommence about that at the very beginning of the show as if that is enough to say this show is not worth it
07:53 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
07:55 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, I didn't the other comment that I hear all the time is that it's derivative, but then
08:02 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_09]: Like every story, I just in general, we need to stop calling things derivative because it's not Iron Man.
08:10 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_09]: It is acknowledged right away that this is someone who sees themselves as an heir to Iron Man, but it's a different person with different life story and different story going forward from year.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_09]: This happens all the time.
08:25 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_09]: These marvel and some form call it Atlas, whatever has been going on now for nearly one hundred years.
08:32 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_09]: So they have evolved characters, brought out, you know, we're, we glad you Laina Bolova exists, even though we already had Natasha Romano, you know?
08:44 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Like, yeah, this is, this is a, we need to stop looking for nits to pick and just sit back and be like, are you going to tell me a good story?
08:55 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_09]: And I would say that they delivered all that front.
08:58 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think it was for me, it's not perfect.
09:00 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not going to say it's one of my,
09:03 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Favorites, I'm not sure, but just the sometimes the pacing was not perfect for me or not every joke landed for me.
09:09 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_09]: But I still absolutely fell in love with all of the characters wherever they were in the morality spectrum, even the hood.
09:17 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, oh, baby, you're breaking my heart, you know.
09:20 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_09]: And I need to know where we're going to see them next.
09:24 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And I think the way that they set it up tells me gives me some trust that we are going to see them again.
09:30 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:30 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_09]: And I mean, come on, we finally got my fist out and it's Sasha Baron Cohen and it was perfect and and he had me at pizza.
09:42 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I can't wait to see him in full my fist Omega.
09:46 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_09]: We just got like the little glimpse in the reflection of the spoon for anyone who didn't notice.
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Which I didn't catch my better half quite that.
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't catch it.
09:54 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_04]: She was like, did you see that?
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, huh?
09:56 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_04]: It was subtle.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_04]: In the spoon, in the spoon, this rewind.
09:59 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh!
10:01 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_09]: I only caught it because I noticed it was like they focused on the spoon and it went by, but then it was such a small reflection, you know?
10:11 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you're gonna save money, but it was, I had to go back and pause it and then yeah, you can see there's a red face.
10:19 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And again, to your point, I'm not saying the show is a perfect ten out of ten.
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_04]: But as far as enjoying,
10:30 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_09]: experience enjoying a journey a hero's journey this really hit yeah yes I think I mean one of the things that I personally care about most and everyone's gonna be different I care about do you make me care about the characters and they one hundred percent succeeded there yeah
10:49 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_09]: I think I also a lot of the prejudice against the show, you know, so I was saying there's already prejudice against the character from the comics.
10:56 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_09]: I think some of the prejudice against the show in particular was also drummed up by people have been looking for any reason to take Marvel down a peg lately, you know.
11:07 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_09]: And this show was filmed a few years ago and then delayed, you know, like you said, it should have come out after Wakanda forever.
11:15 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_09]: And the question is why and I don't think
11:18 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_09]: There's not a clear answer because it's people like, oh, is it because the quality's bad?
11:22 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And it's not why they're dropping it in two weeks, but I think actually each week does work as an arc on its own.
11:29 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't know why it was delayed.
11:33 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_09]: I guess I kind of hope that it's because these characters are going to time more immediately into what's coming next.
11:43 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
11:45 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the thing too, right?
11:46 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_04]: The delay to your point, you know, fed into the skepticism around the show.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
11:54 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like the only reason that can be delayed is because it's bad.
11:58 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_04]: They saw it.
12:00 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't like it.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't want to put it out.
12:02 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're just rushing to put it out now because they have to do something for the summer.
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
12:08 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what the delay bread.
12:12 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's unfortunate because
12:14 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I think there, you know, when you have something that's new and fresh and just visually and storytelling wise, it's just okay to run it out there.
12:33 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
12:35 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_04]: We can, the universe encompasses so many different perspectives, right?
12:42 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So many different stories that can be told and enjoyed.
12:45 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And I, for the life of me, let me not say that.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me, let me back up.
12:50 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I understand why people are the way that they are, but it frustrates me to know in when people who I feel have expressed a desire to not be that, to fall into that.
13:07 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
13:09 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And that is the most infuriating part of this.
13:12 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_09]: No, and that's why
13:13 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we can be called handed out virtue points in our reviews and stuff.
13:22 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_09]: But that's why we point these things out because I do think that a lot of people don't realize that they're falling into the same pitfalls that we see time and time again and it's worth just thinking about.
13:35 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm gonna call you out on it.
13:37 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna call folks out on it, you know, period, point, point.
13:41 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know,
13:44 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have the wear with all any longer to stomach foolishness and to couch and to try to make sense of other people's failings.
14:02 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_04]: In this regard, I'm not doing it.
14:06 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not here for that.
14:08 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, if we want to get it into the back and forth of why something you didn't like something, that's fine.
14:15 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_04]: But don't hide behind words when all you're trying to say, I don't want to see a story about black people.
14:22 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Period.
14:23 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Or brown people.
14:24 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Or white people.
14:26 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Or gays.
14:28 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_04]: What a chance or fearful.
14:30 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Species justice for space which.
14:33 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
14:33 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean, like, come on.
14:35 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
14:36 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's not, let's not, you know, beat around the bush.
14:38 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Be honest with your, you know, bigotry.
14:45 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_09]: And to your point about, you know, that it's not that we think everyone needs to like the same thing.
14:51 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_09]: Because you and I often disagree.
14:53 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
14:55 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_09]: That's why, you know, I think that's why I love our ranking episodes.
15:01 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But that makes it fun, right?
15:04 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_04]: It makes it fun to have people who, you know, I might have watched the same thing.
15:08 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, ah, nah, that didn't hit me.
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, all right.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_04]: But don't tell me it didn't hit for you because you know, you don't like black people.
15:16 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
15:16 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_09]: And it's not being just like we're going to say everything that stars black characters is good automatic.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's up to you.
15:24 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_09]: For example, our Captain America for breakdown, you know, or that's show that.
15:28 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_09]: And now ever be late.
15:30 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
15:31 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
15:31 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Or talk them out.
15:32 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
15:34 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, I just, yeah, food for thought, but should we get into the episode?
15:39 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry to have.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I need to get that off my chest.
15:43 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_09]: I really did because, you know, needs to be said.
15:47 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
15:47 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_09]: So again, going to be mixing those three episodes together, talking about sort of one plot arc at a time.
15:55 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_09]: So don't expect it to be in order.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_09]: And I thought this time since I made some longer
16:00 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_09]: synopsis.
16:01 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_09]: I thought this time, uh, Shah, I read the, you read the purple.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_09]: I read the green.
16:07 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
16:07 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll, I'll be, hope.
16:09 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
16:11 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope is green.
16:12 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I hope.
16:13 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_04]: You are, I'll be Thanos.
16:15 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be Thanos for this one.
16:18 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's start.
16:19 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_04]: This is turmoil at home.
16:22 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Ruby is having a lot of anxiety about the job gone wrong and about being responsible for her friends arrest and another man's death.
16:30 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's causing tension at home with her mom, Natalie, and Xavier.
16:35 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Riri gives her mom and Xavier watches that she asks they always wear without explanation.
16:40 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_09]: But it becomes clear that Riri's responsive protective technology, she was selling to another student at school, when gunshots on a TV show set off her mom's watch trapping her in an impenetrable bubble that Riri has to diffuse and explain.
16:56 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Later, Riri is having a panic attack and unsure how to help her, Natalie, as the iron suit, goes to collect Xavier and bring him to Riri to comfort her, when AI Natalie reveals herself to Xavier.
17:09 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't take it well.
17:11 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_04]: He tells Riri to delete the code.
17:13 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the protection rod, watch at Riri's feet and storms off.
17:19 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so it's interesting.
17:22 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_09]: She asked earlier before that final temper tantrum.
17:26 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think I'm a good person?
17:27 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And he says, good bad.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_09]: These words don't mean anything.
17:30 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Depends who's labeling you.
17:35 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_09]: I think this is important because it shows when he gets mad at her at this moment.
17:39 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_09]: It's not because it's too often people are like, oh, I'm mad at you, make you a bad person.
17:44 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Like, no, I'm just a mad at this thing that you did.
17:47 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:47 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_09]: And it doesn't make you a bad person.
17:50 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_09]: It just makes me upset with you in this moment.
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_04]: But also that depends who's labeling your card.
17:55 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the one that's the count to me.
17:58 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like so many of the villains that we encounter.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have these.
18:07 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_04]: ideas that many people will agree with.
18:11 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Some people agree with Thanos and you know, some people agree with Kilmonger.
18:19 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sure there was certain people who agreed with Hood in this series, you know, taking on the corporate powers that be for whatever the reasons that he had.
18:30 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_04]: But it depends on who's labeling you who tells us that we're good and we're bad.
18:37 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_04]: What do those words mean?
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: They carry the weight of whoever's calling you those things.
18:43 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
18:45 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So, that was interesting to me, especially with how this ended.
18:52 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, really, especially with how this ended.
18:55 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, no.
18:56 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, this conversation, especially, but he calls her.
19:00 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_09]: So I like this romance.
19:03 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm rooting for this romance, even though with the way it ended, I worry.
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_09]: He's not going to take that well.
19:10 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_09]: But when he's like the music gets on machine stuff,
19:14 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_09]: He shows he sees her the way, he sees the things in her that she values most in herself.
19:20 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_09]: He's not like, oh, you're so cute.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_09]: I have so much fun with you.
19:23 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Even though that's obviously true, what he says though, she's smart, she's hardworking, she's protective, and she's complex.
19:31 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_09]: It reminds me of in Murderbot, they were playing the sweet in the bitter, where they were having to talk about other people in the group.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_09]: with the good in the bad.
19:41 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_09]: And he's saying, you know, that's mixed all together, you know, that he compares her to Spock, although she would rather be seen as, who, do you have a champion opinion?
19:53 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the Spock thing is really spot on.
19:58 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Because she is so driven by her mastery of technology.
20:06 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, everything is science-based.
20:09 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And she has to get away from that in order to combat what's coming at her, right?
20:15 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Because she's never considered that before.
20:19 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Everything is a puzzle, is an equation that can be solved.
20:24 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, mathematically, through however your brain functions.
20:29 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_04]: So she never gave space for anything else, for spirituality, for any of those things, right?
20:35 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_04]: And now she's in a space where she had to try to embrace a part of life that she never really considered to be worth anything.
20:48 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And you can see she's very, she is emotional, but she is trying to cut off emotion.
20:57 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So the smock thing really, it really works.
21:01 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it took me a moment because I just, I see her as having a lively personality and not, and spark is not having a lively personality.
21:11 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_09]: But when I thought about it, for all the reasons that you were just saying, I had to agree that that is
21:17 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_09]: The case and then I wondered I was thinking about we were talking about it last week here It's saying a reviewer described her as Dauer.
21:24 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_09]: I was like does anyone ever described Spock as Dauer?
21:28 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Because it's the same.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_09]: It's the same reasons.
21:31 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point.
21:33 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a great point
21:35 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_09]: But they give us a moment of characterization kind of on the nose, but effective where she falls asleep in her suit because she could really cannot relax without actual armor protecting her.
21:47 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
21:49 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_09]: I have a question though, rereads apparently never kissed anyone because she's twenty right now.
21:54 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_09]: So that is surprising, but we were just talking about last week.
21:59 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
22:00 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_09]: how she went she went to college when she was fifteen so she was skipping lifesteps indeed because who's going to kiss a fifteen year old in college I mean yeah shouldn't be she's not her she's never been really around her parents outside of Natalie that's true that's true
22:19 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, they're also, I was doing the calculations and I realized she had been in college for five years at the beginning of this show then so that means it does give a little more context to them being like, okay, we're done giving you grant money.
22:38 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_09]: I was looking it up on Disney Plus.
22:42 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_09]: There's, you know, the official timeline.
22:45 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_09]: They put all the shows and movies in one timeline.
22:48 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:48 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_09]: And this is set between Thor, Love and Thunder, and where Wolf by night.
22:53 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_09]: So that would put it in Fall of twenty twenty five, whereas the latest to Captain America for Brave New World and Thunderbolts, they are twenty twenty seven because
23:06 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_09]: them so you spend ahead of us for a while.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_09]: I appreciate it by the way.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if you can't read me.
23:14 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_09]: She was watching X-File.
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_09]: So it's a whole family of blurs.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Love it, love it.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
23:21 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was just a fun dynamic, right?
23:26 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I watch sci-fi things.
23:32 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_04]: fantasy things, I recommit books, I collect comic books, and I'm hoping, you know, E does the same, right?
23:39 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, we're shaped by the people who are around us.
23:42 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So she had her mom watching ex-files, right?
23:47 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But her, her dad, her stepdad, was a brilliant mechanic.
23:51 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_04]: You want to mean so how do those
23:54 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_04]: How do they shape us?
23:56 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_04]: The people around us are surrounding us to make us become who who we are.
24:01 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
24:01 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_04]: So it was cool to see that that she was watching next time.
24:09 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Did you, did you understand why Xavier was so mad about AI not only because you were thinking that he would be glad because he was saying he wanted to hear her voice.
24:21 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it was more of the shock.
24:25 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I was in the moment, I was like, why is he, I did think to myself why is he getting something up out of shape about it?
24:34 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And I still don't have the answers for that.
24:37 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_04]: For me, I think maybe the shock of it all.
24:41 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And then realizing that AI Natalie had been there for a while.
24:48 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_04]: without him knowing and he had no input into this.
24:53 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's thinking that really just did this on purpose, right?
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it was completely an accident.
24:59 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_04]: She didn't, she didn't intend for this to happen, right?
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_04]: At least not overtly.
25:06 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think that's why it was.
25:09 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, if you're doing this, I could you have done this without letting me know that you were doing this.
25:16 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you see the distinction he draws between because she brings up the mix tape that has a recording of Natalie's voice on it and and he says I'm honoring her your freezing her in time.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Is that a valid distinction?
25:28 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he just like Try to say something to not be a hypocrite.
25:34 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's trying to say something and I don't think that's that's true because freezing her in time
25:42 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_04]: would be listening to the same message over and over and over again.
25:47 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_04]: That's reason.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I agree.
25:51 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
25:52 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_09]: This is sort of allowing something new to grow out of the memories of her.
25:57 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
25:58 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
25:58 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And if, you know, we want to really analyze, if you're in his motivation, maybe that's more of an indictment on him than it is on reread.
26:12 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he's realizing, you know what I'm saying?
26:15 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_04]: By seeing AI Natalie, what he's been doing with Natalie's memory.
26:23 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean Xavier said to mean things about how Natalie the AI Natalie should be erased and not his sister and all that.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think
26:34 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_09]: She was, and I hate to use the past tense, but as of the end of this series, I have to, of what she capable, what she really feeling those emotions, or were those reflections of rereads hurt.
26:47 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a good question.
26:49 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
26:49 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
26:51 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know to the extent that she is an AI like vision.
26:58 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
26:58 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_09]: I was just thinking of vision too, because he certainly developed emotions.
27:02 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
27:03 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_04]: But he had that.
27:05 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_04]: other source of power to make that happen, right?
27:08 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_04]: The minds don't.
27:10 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I don't know if AI's Natalie's emotions are completely AI Natalie's emotions.
27:18 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, there seems to be something extra there, you know, something, yeah, extra, it's not Jarvis.
27:27 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_09]: No.
27:28 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_09]: She's more vision than Jarvis, yeah.
27:30 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think it's real either.
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_04]: No, what content?
27:36 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Sure.
27:37 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
27:37 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Which is more like Jarvis, I would say.
27:39 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
27:40 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
27:40 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
27:41 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, speaking of evolution, let's talk about the evolution of Ezekiel.
27:45 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Things aren't going well for Riri and the Hood's Gang either because after the vision, he was given at the end of episode three Parker now places the blame for his cousin's death squarely at her feet.
27:56 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_09]: And Ezekiel, aka Jo, isn't too happy with her either after the whole lying to him, dropping his tech and getting him arrested thing.
28:03 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_09]: So Parker and the gang break Seek and his confiscated tech out of prison and Parker tells him to embrace his new supervillain identity and join his crew as the new tech specialist.
28:16 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_09]: And Slug helped Seek implant tech under his skin throughout his body to give him super powered strength, agility and other physical skills, including electrical powers, only unbeknownst to Seek.
28:28 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Parker is given admin status over the tech implanted in Seek's body.
28:34 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_09]: So, woo, yes, slug.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I don't know why I thought slug was better than that.
28:42 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_09]: I just because slug is much better than that.
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's basically it.
28:47 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Really did.
28:47 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You really did.
28:48 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, slug is not cool.
28:51 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_09]: I saw a game around and toy the end, I think.
28:54 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Really?
28:55 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well we'll talk about that later, but, um, ma'am, at this moment.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really happy doing that.
29:01 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_04]: She was very happy.
29:02 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, very happy.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was being very, very happy.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Very, very happy.
29:07 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_09]: And by the way, no anesthesia for the surgery.
29:10 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that was well.
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_09]: It's been, we think of murder by Anita murder rat in there to shut it down.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_04]: That was wow, that was well.
29:19 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
29:20 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_09]: So the hood apparently has been breath holding practice in the ice tub, which makes sense, you know, if you go invisible when you hold your breath, I would definitely push the limits and he can do more than eleven minutes, which is not it's super impressive, but I was just thinking I was just watching recently and making a behind the scenes about what kind of forever.
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_09]: And they were talking about the people who played the telecom.
29:46 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_09]: And there was, they had to also do freediving to film the scenes underwater.
29:54 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_09]: The free driving instructor said that one of the cast members in particular just took to, and I'm sorry, I forget the name of her character.
30:01 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_09]: She was one of the bigger female telecom characters.
30:05 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_09]: But she just took to freediving immediately and she could hold her breath for eleven minutes.
30:09 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
30:10 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
30:13 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
30:15 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Clown is an interesting character.
30:20 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Clown seems to have more, more moral turmoil than the rest of the group.
30:27 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Like she felt bad for Zika, Rose accused her of having a crush.
30:33 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_09]: But Clown was the only one who wasn't like, oh yeah, somebody else take the fall.
30:38 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Like that's wrong.
30:40 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they all seem to have their, yep, soft spots.
30:47 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_04]: But they're all comfortable doing terrible things.
30:50 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_04]: How terrible thing, how bad depends, right?
30:56 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I feel that they were all hurt by learning of rampages murder.
31:03 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
31:04 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_04]: But they were ready to kill Riri.
31:08 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_04]: At the same time.
31:09 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_04]: But they were ready to kill Riri at the same time because they felt that Riri killed cousin John.
31:14 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
31:14 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_04]: So an active vengeance or retribution for that.
31:19 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure how much I would trust any of them.
31:25 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't trust clown.
31:29 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the wind blows and she'll, you know, go with the way the wind is going.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_09]: She might be one of the smartest of the crew.
31:37 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_09]: And so yeah, she might serve as a serving.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_04]: The most observing, absolutely.
31:41 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And but she, she looks like she's a person that would, you know, she's gonna look out for herself.
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, makes number one.
31:50 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_04]: And number two, if you cross her, she's gonna go after you.
31:54 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_04]: But there is some sort of, you know, code that she is trying to live by.
32:02 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I think they all got duped by Parker's mission.
32:08 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Without knowing how personal the mission was, is two Parker.
32:13 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
32:13 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he promised the money and he delivered.
32:16 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he did that too.
32:17 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_04]: But it wasn't like robbing poor people.
32:23 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if they would have gone to the hood.
32:29 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_09]: No.
32:30 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_09]: No, they're robbing the one percent.
32:33 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
32:33 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know if they would have been on board to the extent that they were on board if it wasn't that.
32:40 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
32:40 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
32:40 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that varies per person, but yeah, I agree.
32:44 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
32:45 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
32:45 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_09]: And I mean, but I'm with clown on Horsey, who is not just arrested, but now everybody knows his name.
32:52 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_09]: He's got a reputation.
32:54 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
32:55 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was messed up.
32:56 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_09]: And the really messed up thing is Obadiya was his father was remembered as a good man despite not being a good man.
33:05 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_09]: He was a bad guy, but they were like just let people remember him as a friend and whatever.
33:10 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_09]: So now Zik, who is the better person of the two, but is now seen broadly as being the evil son of the good father.
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_09]: It's kind of like the opposite in a way.
33:23 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I really felt bad for him.
33:24 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_09]: He didn't want to become his father.
33:26 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_09]: He became worse in a way like because yeah, he's now being blamed for villainry.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_09]: He didn't really feel, but he really commit.
33:37 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_09]: But it's probably being pushed into.
33:39 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
33:40 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
33:42 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Because he tells Riri at one point, I have so much anger.
33:46 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I have all this power and so much anger.
33:49 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to do with it.
33:53 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I have all this power in my body.
33:57 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Now that he did the surgery is so much anger and I don't know what to do.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:02 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_04]: So if that's not the beginning of a possible villain turn, you know, but I just felt, I just felt that for him, this is somebody who wanted nothing, none of this at the beginning.
34:17 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
34:17 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_04]: He was very explicit.
34:18 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_04]: He told, please, please, please, please.
34:21 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Just make sure I don't get caught up in this.
34:23 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just stockpiling missiles in my basement, just for funsies, but there's plenty of, and I said it law, I said e-pray love, but what is it that live last love?
34:34 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:35 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_09]: I saw his, his, his mat in front of his bunker in this one, it said live laugh leave.
34:43 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_05]: The laugh leave, yeah.
34:45 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Which okay, he's putting the key under their dude, but also very cheeky reary who just got the man arrested to break in his lap.
34:54 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he's in jail.
34:55 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, she's infuriating.
34:58 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_04]: She really she really pisses me off, man.
35:01 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I just want to Yeah, she just pisses but some of the things that she does just it's like yo
35:11 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me talk to you for a minute.
35:13 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Come over here.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me really talk to you.
35:16 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Because what you're doing right now is some selfish shit.
35:21 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not cool.
35:25 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_04]: But the thing is, I've been around people who've done selfish uncool shit.
35:31 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And it is like, yeah, I'm not listening to you right now, Jay.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I got to do what I got to do.
35:38 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's the mode that she's in.
35:40 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, I got to do what I have to do.
35:42 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't care.
35:44 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_04]: But the point is doing what you got to do.
35:47 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_04]: inevitably always ropes other people in that don't want anything to do with it.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
35:55 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_04]: You get more people hurt.
35:57 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, she asks at the end nobody else is going to be affected, right?
36:01 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God.
36:02 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Everyone who is connected to you is going to be affected by the issue.
36:06 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's how it works.
36:08 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_04]: That's how it works, but she's refusing to see that because she's really in this
36:14 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_04]: selfish mode right now of her life, where the only thing that really matters is, you know, her.
36:22 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_09]: So on them, we just did the murder about recording shortly before this recording.
36:27 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_09]: And John asked, basically, what size rocks should we be lining up for somebody to take?
36:37 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I let, you know, later, because I haven't watched this episode yet.
36:39 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
36:40 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no, no, no, I meant, I meant for this, for reread.
36:43 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, for reread.
36:44 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man, she, you know, it's a considerable size of rocks that she needs to be kicking.
36:52 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Because the choices that she's making, man, I just, I can't, I can't get down with, I can't.
36:58 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_04]: And now, I just want to see her be better, right?
37:03 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_04]: But at this point, she's not better.
37:07 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, well, let's take a quick break here when we come back.
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to talk about some of the more magical mistakes.
37:33 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_04]: meddling with magic.
37:35 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_04]: While all this has been going on, Riri has been studying Parker's cloak to try to figure out the source of its power and hitting a dead end.
37:43 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_04]: So when Hamaan mentions that maybe she stress-dorder needs a more mystical intervention by her friend Maddie Stanton, Riri quickly agrees.
37:52 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_04]: There, Maddie's daughter Zelma senses the powered patch of fabric and rewise pocket, and she whisked the footh of them to her magical workshop in a parallel realm to examine it.
38:02 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_04]: What they see freaks Maddie out so much, she shoes Ronnie and Riwi out of her shop, telling them to stay away from whatever this cloth came from.
38:12 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so this, yeah, Zoma, I was, I was, I was, so when I first, I'm glad that I watched this before, I saw anyone who spoiled that because I didn't realize that Zoma was going to be a miss at all.
38:31 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_09]: until this episode, so that was she's played by Reagan, Alaya by the way.
38:35 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_09]: And this is definitely a character for my corner of the comics as you might have guessed from the witchy nature of it.
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_09]: So that was super fun.
38:44 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't clock.
38:47 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_09]: that Madeleine's last name was Stanton until somebody said Zelma.
38:52 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_09]: And then I was like, oh, and she looks, I shared a picture in the chat on Discord.
39:00 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_09]: But they styled her just like her.
39:03 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_09]: They gave her the hat and the beanie and the thick rim glasses.
39:07 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_09]: That's that's very Zelma.
39:11 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_09]: They definitely have a bunch of Easter eggs to the comics version of her character in here.
39:15 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Like the fact that this is she does not run a shop in the show.
39:18 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_09]: She's a librarian in the comics, but this shop the fact that there's books there definitely is a wink toward her the librarian.
39:28 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_09]: So the shop's called Stanton's Sweets, Reeds and more, and that more is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
39:35 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, what did you think when she just school and inside outside down, they were somewhere else.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_04]: What did you say?
39:42 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that was a really cool effect.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_09]: I like the transportation spell.
39:45 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_09]: And that was another, that was another Easter egg too.
39:49 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_09]: She mentioned she says she took them to the western cortex of the never-ish and that is a strange academy comics reference.
39:56 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_09]: where she, indeed, takes them away there.
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, it was, it was really cool.
40:01 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_09]: I think the origin story is different in this case, very different.
40:07 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_09]: They do do a nod to the original origin story with the brain maggots because in the comics, basically, I, I think aged her down a bit too.
40:15 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_09]: She's the hood.
40:16 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_09]: I always think of her.
40:17 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_07]: She's older.
40:18 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
40:18 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_09]: In her twenties in the comics or something like that.
40:21 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, she's like she was be more, she's a, well, she's a librarian at the, at the, at the school at the strange academy, but I think there's a lot of rumors about a strange academy TV show, which yeah, there should be young magical people.
40:34 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_09]: They're gathering them and it's a popular comic series and yeah, absolutely.
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_09]: And I imagine she'll be a student in this version.
40:42 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, I think her personality is slightly different though.
40:46 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_09]: She's more like Wednesday Adams in this version versus I see the comics version being a bit more frazzled always like oh my gosh, you know the magic side of the and trying to put it all in order and it's just you know
41:00 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't mind, I don't mind.
41:02 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_09]: She was fun.
41:03 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_09]: What do you think?
41:04 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I enjoyed Zoma.
41:08 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to read her in the death of Dr. Strange years ago.
41:13 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the strange academy stuff I've kept up with.
41:15 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I think she's a cool character.
41:18 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like how they changed her up to be in the same generation as reworking her friends.
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
41:27 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Not to mention like Ned, for instance, Ned's a source of snow, so maybe they'll learn to get it right.
41:32 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
41:32 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
41:33 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I forgot about Ned being a source.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like the Dr. Strange.
41:39 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And imagine.
41:40 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.
41:42 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_04]: All of that.
41:43 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was really well done and well placed because it didn't seem out of step with the story.
41:48 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
41:49 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:50 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_04]: So when, you know, they're trying to figure out what's going on and you know, they said, oh, she's like put those back.
41:58 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_04]: The brain worms.
42:00 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, oh, the brain worms.
42:02 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't brain worms.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I know about the brain worms.
42:05 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So those were cool little things.
42:08 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_04]: But her character, I think,
42:13 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_04]: opening up the magical possibilities of the MCU.
42:17 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
42:18 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, it's going to be really important going forward.
42:22 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
42:22 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
42:23 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So we can do them today.
42:25 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Will Billy be on the Champions or will he go to Strange Academy or both somehow?
42:31 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
42:32 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but this corner of the MCU is looks like there.
42:39 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_04]: They're putting some thought behind it.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_04]: The medical realm of the MCU, and I'm here for that.
42:47 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_04]: There are so many interesting characters that they could introduce.
42:51 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of great stories to tell.
42:54 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, this is going to be fun.
42:55 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm glad that they're slowly but surely introducing more of those concepts into the general.
43:02 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: MCU timeline in store.
43:05 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:06 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
43:07 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think I feel like for Secret Wars, I don't know how much if they're going to be able to, I think probably this younger generation stuff maybe has to wait to have to Secret Wars unless they're secretly working on stuff, which I guess they kind of have to be because they're agent.
43:23 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's our agent.
43:23 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_04]: But in the reason why I say that is because, you know, do is a sorcerer.
43:28 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_04]: He's not just a man of science.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_04]: He's both.
43:32 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I know, I know.
43:33 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Which is what makes him so formidable as a, you know, as a villain, as a antagonist, right?
43:41 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's really both.
43:43 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think they're opening up this
43:47 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_09]: corner because it's going to be important in the two films that are coming right well we you know in secret wars in particular um we already know there's going to be a bunch of different teams coming together and we expect you know we said comic spoilers we expect there to be a sort of a battle royale between like the marvel of the fox xman universe is probably going to be battling the six one six universe Avengers
44:12 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_09]: But then we also have splinters within six one six where we have like the Avengers with under Sam Wilson and we have the new Avengers with the Z. Well, I'm secretly rooting for right now.
44:27 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_09]: And I wonder if they're going to bring the younger teams into that or try to set that up as like the next thing.
44:33 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's the interesting thing that they can do with secret wars is because if they take it, you know, from the comic book concept of Battle World, which is why Doom was able to piece together at the end of everything.
44:49 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So there was just one planet that, and different parts of the planet were different segments of the MCU.
44:59 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_04]: right, and they called it Battle World.
45:01 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's, um, and it was God Emperor doing ruling over this Battle World.
45:07 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's gonna be interesting if they do the incursions in the end of it all, um, storyline and do pieces together.
45:18 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, a piece of fragment of reality where all of these different, you know, corners of the MCU, all of these different realities can have a place before it goes back to one huge universe.
45:33 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
45:35 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
45:36 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I hope so.
45:37 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_09]: That's fun.
45:37 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_04]: It takes a lot of magic to be able to do that.
45:40 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of magic.
45:45 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, yes, so Maddie Wheeler and studied at the Comertage, and that's where we saw Dr. Strange learn his magic in the movie, Dr. Strange.
45:55 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_09]: And Zelma says it's her reach school, quote, unquote, but Maddie dropped out to raise Zelma.
46:00 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_09]: And do we think Zelma naturally magic, like Wanda or she, or did she just start learning young or is it some combination of the two basically,
46:12 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, okay, well, so next question, but what do you think is it a natural talent or a learned talent or some combination there up?
46:20 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Huh.
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Who do you think is a natural talent?
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Somebody who's born magical.
46:26 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_09]: I'd say Wanda was born magical and then it was enhanced by the milestone.
46:31 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_09]: But she was born with the chaos magic because, you know, like, for example, we saw in one division in the past,
46:38 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_09]: It's implied that she stopped the bomb from going off that would have killed her and her brother as a kid.
46:52 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_09]: I, Maddie seems, I don't, because usually people go to Carmer Tage, but at least they learn sorcery there.
46:58 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_09]: So here's, I went on a deep dive into the difference between sorcery and witchcraft in Marvel and in general.
47:05 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_09]: And this is the kind of the consensus that I came to, is there's some quality or the question is whether it's innate, but I think also it's about, so witchcraft is drawing on magic within, like Agatha,
47:20 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_09]: She couldn't take some other witch's magic and absorb it, but then it's adding to her own internal power source versus Dr. Strange or what's her name?
47:33 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_09]: The Eternal One, the Old One, but the Eternal One.
47:38 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
47:39 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Until the Swinton, until the Swinton can draw on the energy of other universes, so that's an external source.
47:51 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_09]: And so in source-free school, you go to source-free school, commerce-touch, it teaches you to draw on external power.
47:58 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_09]: and which is in the Marvel universe seem to mostly be hedge witches where they draw on internal power, but for the most part, Wanda aside, they need a coven in order to draw their strengths together to use it.
48:13 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Then I think it's learned because they were drawing from a festival around to power the suit.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
48:22 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_09]: She calls her whitchling, but I think that's just a turn of phrase.
48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's learned.
48:29 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, okay.
48:29 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_09]: I'll go with that and she just started at a young age and she's a prodigy with it.
48:34 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, and you have to have, you know, you have to be able to to use what you're learning, right?
48:41 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to be a depth at it.
48:44 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_04]: So some people are probably more magical than others.
48:47 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you learn how to channel those energies, then you are what you are.
48:54 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Where other people may be obtuse with magical learning.
48:59 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So they can't get it.
49:02 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
49:02 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
49:02 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
49:04 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, speaking of magical items, we have that piece of cake that they're studying throughout and it seems it goes invisible from time to time.
49:14 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm assuming that it's going invisible when he's holding his breath.
49:18 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
49:19 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I thought too.
49:20 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I thought too.
49:20 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
49:21 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_09]: So it's interesting that it's like it's like a connected to the cloak like a reverse Phantom limb in a way, you know, where the the severed limb feels what the body does.
49:33 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_09]: So I guess it just means like the cloth as an entirety wasn't chanted and it maintains the same enchantment.
49:41 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
49:43 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_09]: We, yeah, we learned that it's powering Parker's powers through internal combustion.
49:50 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_09]: So like inside the clock, cloth, it's doing, it's having a combustion response, but unknown energy source.
49:59 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, this is obviously we learned later.
50:01 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_09]: It's coming from a different dimension, and it's Mephisto's dimension, which I think we can just clearly say now.
50:07 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_09]: It's basically the Marvel version of the hell dimension.
50:11 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's the devil.
50:13 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
50:15 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
50:16 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_09]: But not to be confused with the hell dimension that we see in the Thor movies.
50:19 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
50:20 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_09]: That sounds good.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_09]: That's one L. Yeah.
50:22 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
50:23 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's interesting when when re-restocking Natalie about it.
50:26 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Nile says energy doesn't just pop up out of nowhere.
50:29 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_09]: That defines laws and physics.
50:30 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, well, here's evidence that this Natalie AI Natalie is actually a reflection of re-re-re-espray because I doubt we are not.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
50:41 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_09]: But it is interesting.
50:42 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm always looking for more clarification on the magical side of the MCU.
50:48 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_09]: And so apparently, according to Zoma and Maddie, when it disappears, when they see it disappear, they say it's natural, which means it's not enchanted or witchcraft.
50:58 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_09]: So it's created another dimension.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, okay.
51:03 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, they say disappearing makes it unstable and they can't destroy it.
51:09 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Ruby was able to cut off a piece because the laser cutter divided it into particles, but it can't be destroyed.
51:15 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, so no, the bottoms all kind of brimstone fired.
51:21 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think that's just a look Mifisto wanted to curse him with or do you think that's just a product like burning?
51:28 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
51:30 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's burning.
51:32 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's burning.
51:35 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if it would get shorter gradually.
51:37 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I, that's my thought process.
51:39 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_04]: My thought process is the more you wear it, the more you use it, and that's the changes you, it burns burns.
51:46 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm.
51:46 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_09]: That would be cool.
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_09]: That would be cool.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_09]: What happened to it at the end?
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_09]: So, well, we'll come back to this.
51:55 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_09]: But re-regrapped it from Parker.
51:57 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_09]: And then when she went in to talk to Mufisto, she wasn't holding it anymore.
52:00 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_04]: No, she put it down.
52:03 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_09]: So we don't know where it is at to this.
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, all right.
52:08 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_04]: We're not wearing it.
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_04]: She wasn't wearing it when at the end what she hugged Natalie.
52:14 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
52:14 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Even though her skin started to change.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
52:19 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_04]: She wasn't wearing the hood at that time.
52:21 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Could it?
52:22 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_09]: Could he have turned it into a different object for her or something?
52:26 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it is my fist though.
52:28 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
52:28 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Cosoma can, right?
52:31 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, well, so I think from the perspective of the comic books, we found out from Zelma that Zelma expected it to be Dormamo, who was giving Parker his powers, not my fisto.
52:46 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_09]: And in the comics, that is because Dormamo is the one that Parker got the hood and his powers from.
52:52 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
52:53 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_09]: I honestly think Mifisto makes more sense.
52:55 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
52:57 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I agree, because he's given you everything that you desire.
53:01 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And if we call them a fistOle that devil, Satan, archetype of the MCU, this is what?
53:10 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
53:10 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_04]: That archetype would do.
53:12 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's, yeah, my fistOle is the one who makes deals like that.
53:15 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Dormama moves more interested in conquering and my fistOle is more interested in like collecting souls basically.
53:22 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
53:23 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Feeding his realm.
53:25 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_09]: Although Zalma mentions Kaisilius, which is the he's he's an antagonist and the first Dr. Strange movie and he gets
53:36 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_09]: For anyone who doesn't remember, he gets like the similar black vainy lines coming out from his eyes in particular, creepy scars that are showing Dormamo's influence over him.
53:46 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_09]: So I get to make sense.
53:48 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_09]: They're both, they are both basically different demon entities in the MC in the Marvel universe.
53:53 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_04]: So well, Dormamo's more of an elder god.
53:57 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_09]: Or it's a fun one.
54:00 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I definitely read him.
54:02 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but my fist is from a different dimension, too.
54:04 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_09]: I've definitely heard read them both, be called demons.
54:09 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_09]: But I guess, again, it depends just, you know, quote, savior depends on who's asking, who you're asking.
54:16 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this shows the failings of the teachings of commodage, because they, they, their only reference is to reference Dormama.
54:32 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
54:32 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
54:33 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I'm going to of course, she, her mom didn't finish and she didn't.
54:36 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, but her mom did think it was her dad.
54:39 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Did think it was her mom or two, but yeah.
54:41 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's the reference point.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only reference point.
54:44 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_04]: They can't imagine something outside of that.
54:47 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's why I say they're two very different entities, um, Mephisto and and Dormamo because they're viewed differently by by the people in the MCU.
55:00 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_04]: If you come across from a fisto, he's already here.
55:05 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_04]: He's already in this realm and this universe, right?
55:09 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
55:09 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't mind who's looking for a way into this universe to conquer it.
55:13 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not what the fisto's deal is.
55:15 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_09]: No.
55:16 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_09]: My fisto is more insidious.
55:18 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_09]: I like Maddie makes the distinction when
55:21 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_09]: I think Riri says the cloaks little likely possessing Parker and Maddie says no, this entity doesn't possess it influences or it may be something that's, yeah.
55:29 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
55:30 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_04]: And that should let them know it wasn't dormable.
55:35 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
55:36 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Although, we, it's almost another one who I wanted to just like shake her a few times and be like somebody called this her mother like.
55:45 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Like I at least I think that, um,
55:48 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we'll talk about that in a bit.
55:51 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_09]: But I think that Maddie has a right to be mad at Ronnie for not involving her at the end.
55:55 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_09]: But anyway, but Zelma says, uh, uh, uh, re-re-asselma, why would a powerful entity like that want to come to earth?
56:03 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_09]: She says, I don't know to eat it.
56:05 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, oh, really?
56:05 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, really?
56:05 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the lack of reference.
56:07 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
56:11 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_04]: That's before in two weeks.
56:18 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_09]: So we get to, I guess the first major climax in this series of episodes where everybody's trying to kill Riri Parker tells his minions that Riri killed John.
56:29 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_09]: So now he wants them to kill Riri.
56:32 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_09]: Slug kidnapped Riri suits with Natalie inside, of course, and the blood siblings confront Riri at a white castle.
56:39 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Unable to outfight them, Riri tricks them into firing a gun while standing over the watch Xavier gave back to her, which traps them in its protective bubble.
56:47 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_09]: When Clown shows up, Riri tells her side of the story saying that John's death was an accident and Parker killed Ram Page while Clown stalks her through the kitchen.
56:57 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_09]: Riri uses some explosive distractions to escape the restaurant.
57:01 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Outside, slug runs her down in the truck, but Natalie escapes in the suit, scooping up Riri, and now they're really ready to fight.
57:10 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Slug retreats, given Riri and Natalie a chance for a confrontation.
57:14 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And Natalie leaves Riri alone with the suit while she sucks elsewhere.
57:18 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Just before Ezekiel shows up, with all his fresh augmentations, and since Riri's suit has been through a lot this night, it's running low on power.
57:28 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Zik overpowers her and starts tearing her suit apart, but he can't go through it with actually killing her.
57:34 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So he tells her to get out of town, and leaves her broken on the street.
57:38 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Riri claws away out of her useless suit, grabs the core with Natalie's code, and runs away, and clown sees all of this happen.
57:48 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_04]: but she's going suspicious of Parker, and back up Zeeek's story that Riri is gone when they debrief and Parker's apartment later.
57:56 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_09]: I love that they call back, at least we'll always have an image.
58:04 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the guy is, you know, yeah, it's tough to watch him, you know,
58:14 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_04]: become the thing that he was fighting not to be.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
58:18 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
58:19 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Because this is before he's controlled spoiler for a few seconds.
58:22 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Actually, right.
58:22 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
58:23 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_04]: And even in that moment, he's like, I can't do it.
58:26 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
58:27 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Just get out of here.
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't do it.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Just get out of here.
58:30 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
58:31 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
58:32 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_09]: And we do get the setup that re-re-can see his augmentations with her text stuff and her helmet.
58:39 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_09]: So she sees the, it points all the different augmentations, including augmented hypothalamus, which is a region in the brain that exerts a lot of control over other aspects of the brain.
58:50 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_09]: So that's definitely where the software is installed that gives someone admin control over his body.
58:57 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
58:59 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, so we, we would get back to the magical side with, well, and the family side with some magic family medicine.
59:06 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Zelma meets up with Riri privately to tell her about Dormama in the conqueror, the cosmic identity.
59:11 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_09]: She believes this link to Parker's cape.
59:13 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Zelma believes that Riri can't face Parker without a little magic of her own on her side.
59:18 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_09]: So after Riri finally tells her mom everything and Ronnie and Natalie remind Riri of all the good memories of Gary and human Natalie.
59:26 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_09]: that Riri has been running away from in her grief.
59:29 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Ronnie, Riri, Selma, Xavier, and a little local wheelbarrow lugger landed, gathered to help give Riri an edge in her fast approaching final confrontation with Parker.
59:41 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Together, they rebuild her suit, charging it with magic as a power source, only the magical infusion interferes with Natalie's code, and she disappears.
59:52 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_09]: They said, you know, magic and AI too much for the reactor, but I'm like, are they making commentary about AI's takes away the magic?
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I guess maybe there's a little, a little different kind of magic involved in the creation of this version of Natalie.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Re-re-can't just replicate her by following steps.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_09]: It was just a sort of magical combination of factors that made it happen.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_04]: But what were those factors?
01:00:25 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Why can't she recreate it?
01:00:27 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_04]: We created it.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what was so different?
01:00:32 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like, it should be the same process.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_04]: because we didn't see anything aside from her being tired and going asleep.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, but I think that's the thing.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_09]: I think she was wearing it while she slept.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_09]: So Roosevelt, she can't force it suddenly.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_09]: It was something that happened while she was having dreams based that were triggered by that mixed tape.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_04]: So dreams are magic.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Dreams, yeah.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Dreams are magic.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we've seen dreams.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if I always want to know if Dr. Strange and the multiverse of madness rules, where they said that dreams are glimpses into another multiverse, is that actually still a thing?
01:01:17 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_09]: We, by the way, I pointed out comes from an old, an old comic about Zeridna, an old Jennifer Kayle comic.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, yes.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, they just come from the comics that whole idea.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if it is still is a thing because does that play a role if it is?
01:01:39 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think it's fair Ronnie says reread has an unhealthy obsession with her suit?
01:01:44 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, fair.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Because that's her mom and her mom is only seeing her, you know, engage with anything.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And the only thing she's engaging in is with her suit.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_04]: She spends all her time with her suit, trying to upgrade it, trying to make it better, trying to get this, trying to do that with it.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So as a mom, as a parent, yeah, it makes sense to me that she will say, why are you so obsessed with this one thing in your life?
01:02:16 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Because she's not letting her know anything else, right?
01:02:19 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_04]: So all she can see is her thinking about the suit and how to, you know, perfect it.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I do like they do give her valid motivation that we learn as an audience and running learns.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_09]: I think better through this batch of episodes that basically re re doesn't want to she felt powerless when she was there and she saw Gary and Natalie.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_09]: get killed, get gunned down.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:49 [SPEAKER_09]: And she never wants to feel that powerless again.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:51 [SPEAKER_09]: And that's basically what the suit is for.
01:02:52 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_09]: And especially, it hits even harder when you hear that Gary was the one that Riri went to for help.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_09]: So the person she goes to for help is the one that she could help back.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_09]: That key moment.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_09]: I have to say that daddy daughter, moment where they have like the flat fabric memory.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_09]: And she's she's a little girl dancing with her daddy.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_09]: It made me cry not even like both of my dads are still alive, both of re-res are not.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_09]: But just missing being that little girl who can just dance in the garage with daddy, you know.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_04]: It's very touching.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Anya and indeed it's definitely another evidence that Natalie is is a product of rereads brain because she because this is a memory that only reread but had what have had yeah, Natalie was there.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_09]: What did you think about so the car?
01:03:49 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_09]: We, this, in so we saw it in, we met the car in Wakanda forever and we learned that Gary was, he, yeah, fixed it up and was building it.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:08 [SPEAKER_09]: He gave it to Riri who helped him restore it as we've seen in this show.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_09]: She ended up selling it.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_09]: She said earlier in the show for suit money and now her mom bought it back so that she can strip it for suit parts.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the call was fresh, you know?
01:04:19 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a dope ass call and like, oh man, don't that's classic right then?
01:04:23 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of looked great.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't beat up.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just like, wow.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they started taking it in a part.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, oh man.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_04]: But I understood.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_04]: I understood.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_09]: I had a visceral reaction.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I understood, especially when she said, when dad gave me this car, he told me it always beat me safe.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_09]: And now she's, it's literally making the soup that keeps her safe.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_09]: So I guess it's more meaningful, but this is going to hurt when inevitably, like the thing is, with Tony being a billionaire, you never care about his suits getting destroyed.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Because it's just whatever.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_09]: He literally has dozens on his fingertips.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_09]: But this suit, when this suit inevitably gets destroyed at some point, it's going to hurt like a character.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and that's what makes, you know, I in heart a cool character to me because the suit is not forever.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_04]: She always has to keep it in tip top shade.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Because she just can't get another one, will you know?
01:05:30 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_09]: This is just to give up a lot to make one.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:56 [SPEAKER_09]: Yep, and luckily Xavier's come around because when his headphones from his sister finally died, he opened the new set that re-regave him last week and finds a note from her inside, and he says it was a cheesy note, but there was a quote in it that said, from Captain Kirk.
01:05:57 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_09]: That said, of my friend, I can only say this.
01:05:59 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_09]: Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, hers was the most human, which is apparently a quote about Spock.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_09]: I'd say, I'm not a tricky expert.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_09]: I grew up with it, but I sort of drifted away from it, but apparently, it's so it's extra appropriate that it's a quote about Spock, but obviously here, it's reminding, it was about Natalie, the human Natalie, but now it also applies to,
01:06:24 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels hers was the most human.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Even though reread does call Natalie in this, you know, holographic manifestation of my brain that she says makes her feel more like herself again.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_09]: And Xavier, I love he gave her the coffee cup he said, reporting for duty captain.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_09]: And it says James Tiberius on it, which is Kirk's name, captain's name.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_09]: So he's saying, you're not Spock, you're not who you're, who you're.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:53 [SPEAKER_04]: You're the captain.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Captain Kirk, yeah.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're the leader of this show.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_09]: And he says that he doesn't, that he says that he doesn't like what that she created now, Lily, but he will try to understand.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_09]: And I, I like that's not like this immediate about face everything fixed.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_09]: It's human and nuanced reaction.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Recognizing that my outburst was was unwarranted, but I still don't feel as about this, you know?
01:07:23 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, but I care about you and this is like something we disagree over, but I see that it's actually important.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_09]: It's good for you.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and Lou Landon comes back.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_09]: He's barely in the show.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_09]: He just had, he had some cute lines, and adds a cute, cheeky smile.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_09]: I do wonder if there was more with him that was cut out.
01:07:55 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_09]: But then they had him in these scenes, so then they had to do the set up in these scenes, because it feels like, I don't know, maybe he's just there to be adorable.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_04]: because he was a great girl.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I like it.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Very cute.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_04]: It's fun.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Friends are a lot of levity to the scenes that he said.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_09]: He was underutilized though, so I wonder if there's a reason for that.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_09]: But Yary still had his wagon and owes him money for the rental.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
01:08:26 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_09]: That's messed up, too.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Give the kid his wagon back.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Why do you do it?
01:08:29 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you, she's making bad decisions all over the place, man.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Over the place.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_09]: But I did love this whole montage with them doing the suit together.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_09]: This is my other most obsessed with song, A Santigold's disparate youth is playing.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the soundtrack to the show overall is excellent.
01:08:54 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_04]: very eclectic but good all bangers and you know just it just fits you know the tempo the energy of the show gives off that the show is off the soundtrack matches
01:09:08 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_04]: So they're early enjoyed the soundtrack.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Really.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and the songs are well chosen for their scenes.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Like I wouldn't have gotten as emotional if they hadn't gone with that retro song for the daddy daughter scene.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_09]: So.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Brown skin girl.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Brown skin girl.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_09]: I actually didn't know that tongue until that, but it was a perfect retro song.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, this watching her, you know, ask and receive the help that she needs.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_04]: coupled with the choice that she makes at the end, allegedly, that's the gut punch.
01:09:49 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that really, because the entire season, the entire series, I've been watching her to step out and just go to the people around her.
01:10:09 --> 01:10:10 [SPEAKER_04]: and she finally did it.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:12 [SPEAKER_04]: She finally did it.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And then at the end, it's like fuck that shit.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Things were too happy.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:20 [SPEAKER_09]: I knew something was gonna go wrong.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:22 [SPEAKER_04]: At the end, it was like fuck that shit.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm back to being about me.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_09]: But you know what's interesting is that, um, we're things I thought that something would go wrong.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_09]: We'd lose somebody or something in the final confrontation with Parker.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_09]: But no, she will get to that in a sec, but she basically kind of wins that.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:49 [SPEAKER_09]: And it's here where everything like all we're in the happiest, where the highest moments that's where
01:10:49 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and just so much doesn't know exactly what she's doing and that's exactly what her mom ag Ronnie
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Ronnie, are you not friends with Maddie?
01:11:01 --> 01:11:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Why are you letting her daughter do things unsupervised?
01:11:04 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_09]: But her mother would probably rightfully say, like, let's think about pulling power from another dimension without completely understanding what we're doing.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_09]: This is a good place for another quick break.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:23 [SPEAKER_09]: And when we get back, we're going to wrap up with the final confrontations.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_09]: And that last meeting with the devil.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:47 [SPEAKER_04]: and the hood alone.
01:11:48 --> 01:12:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Throughout these episodes, we see flashbacks to a robbery Parker did a while ago with his cousin John, breaking into the mansion of Arthur Robin, CEO of artworks technology, Parker's nemesis, and his own father as it turns out.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_04]: John shoots a security guard who tries to arrest Parker as he's gotten the safe open and the two split up.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:14 [SPEAKER_04]: John gets arrested and Parker escapes the grounds.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_09]: In the present timeline, Parker's behavior influenced by the hood is starting to get more intense and erratic, and the crew is turning on him.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Clown asks slug to hack into rampages, autopsy reports, and then confronts Parker with the findings.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Parker attacks the crew and kicks them out.
01:12:34 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: After that, when Zeke refuses to join him, Parker reveals that he has admin control over the tech in Zeke's body.
01:12:41 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_04]: He can physically make Zeke do whatever he wants with verbal commands, and he turns him into his unwilling attack dog.
01:12:49 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_04]: First, Parker breaks into his father's house, confronts him, gets him to sign over all his assets and kicks him out.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_09]: So I love that they show realistically how Parker is mourning the loss of John, who's obviously someone, although I still have questions because his father said, you and your friend as if like,
01:13:13 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Even like John's family.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Although even if it's on the other side, you would know who it is.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:35 [SPEAKER_09]: But they show like Parker's obviously not the one who's going to be making the big speech or showing a lot of emotion while mourning, but we see it constantly in other ways.
01:13:35 --> 01:13:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:13:37 --> 01:13:39 [SPEAKER_09]: Apparently John loved opera.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_09]: I just made me think we never got to know John where and where your mysterious dog came from.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:49 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm still thinking about the dog.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:53 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you still think John that John is a nicer guy than Parker?
01:13:53 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow.
01:13:56 --> 01:14:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Who do you think is like, do you think one of them was a bad influence on the other?
01:14:01 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Or that they were bad influences on each other?
01:14:06 --> 01:14:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, I got the sense that John was in the life.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Was about the streets before Parker was.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:21 [SPEAKER_04]: And is kind of showing Parker the street life.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:24 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the sense that I got.
01:14:24 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, all right, you want to get back at this door.
01:14:27 --> 01:14:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get back at him.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:29 [SPEAKER_04]: This is how we gonna do it.
01:14:30 --> 01:14:33 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I feel like that's John.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Was he nicer than Parker?
01:14:37 --> 01:14:37 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I can call either one of them nice at this point.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:42 [SPEAKER_09]: No.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_09]: No.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_09]: I might be very influenced by the comics version where it does feel like John is the worse influence on Parker, because I guess he's also the older one, but I don't know.
01:14:55 --> 01:14:56 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
01:14:56 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely believe John, like I said, introduced Parker to the street life.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Like criminal activity.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_04]: That was done.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Like he's been doing stuff longer than Parker has, definitely.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:12 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:13 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they started together.
01:15:13 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
01:15:14 --> 01:15:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
01:15:15 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because Parker said it was after he was kicked out of his house, John found him.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and I think this exchange is interesting that they had in this flashback where he says, John, how do I find you?
01:15:27 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_09]: And he said, I'm never too far away.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:34 [SPEAKER_09]: And of course, this is something Parker's remembering as he's mourning him years later.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:46 [SPEAKER_09]: But it does make me think about the fact that, you know, we have talked before about how the MCU has been spending a lot of time on the various afterlives of, you know, the difference.
01:15:48 --> 01:16:08 [SPEAKER_09]: cultures of them see you and I've been wondering for a while if there's going to be some storyline that's bridging the mortal realm with the afterlife's in general and now he's saying I'm never too far away on the same show where Mephisto is.
01:16:09 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
01:16:11 --> 01:16:13 [SPEAKER_09]: And definitely, where do you think John's going?
01:16:13 --> 01:16:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, John's in hell.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_09]: John's in hell.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_04]: John in hell.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:27 [SPEAKER_04]: What the two elves?
01:16:27 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_04]: It was definitely.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_09]: I do think it's interesting they kept Parker's hands relatively more clean in this version in the origin story in the comics Parker shot a cop dead and then John got caught and blamed for it but he was not guilty in this version he was also guilty in the captain die so it seems like yeah they're they're softening Parker in this version
01:17:01 --> 01:17:09 [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm wondering about future hopes for him, but the other character I secretly wonder about future hopes for is Stuart aka Rampage?
01:17:10 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_09]: What?
01:17:12 --> 01:17:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Thing is, did we see a body?
01:17:14 --> 01:17:16 [SPEAKER_09]: No, we saw an autopsy report.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:19 [SPEAKER_09]: We, it's not enough.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:25 [SPEAKER_09]: He's, he's a furniture character in, in the comics and he like replaces Minecraft chip.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, could he have a, because it's Eric Andre, who's one of the more famous faces, and then he was so underutilized.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_09]: What if all of that was a ruse and Parker knew about it, and that's why he was being so shady about saying the truth.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:43 [SPEAKER_09]: And Eric Andre is going to turn up in the Punisher special or something.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
01:17:45 --> 01:17:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, stranger things have happened.
01:17:47 --> 01:17:50 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a stretch.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:50 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a stretch.
01:17:52 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a stretch on par with my stretch in the twenty-eight years later episode about.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_09]: about Isla anyway.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Just pointing out, I also noticed Barracuda is so the car is Barracuda, but there was a Punisher character named Barracuda.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think there's any link.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't think so.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm just thinking about the Punisher special coming up.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think you and I definitely both knew that Arthur was going to be Parker's father.
01:18:23 --> 01:18:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, I hope that was a fun surprise for for some people.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I was I was trying to tip toe around it in the last episode, but maybe I shouldn't have pointed out they have the same last name.
01:18:34 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what the nasty old man that is.
01:18:37 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh.
01:18:39 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so despicable.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:44 [SPEAKER_09]: He called him a liability like it's twelve years old.
01:18:44 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_09]: I guess he was acting out, but he said he asked it out after his mom's death for attention, but I didn't want you nothing personal.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:54 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a little mustache, truly.
01:18:54 --> 01:18:55 [SPEAKER_09]: That was a little mustache, truly.
01:18:55 --> 01:18:58 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a little mustache, truly.
01:18:58 --> 01:18:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:01 [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, wow.
01:19:02 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_08]: Get this man.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:04 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't just sign it, shoot him.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man.
01:19:13 --> 01:19:21 [SPEAKER_09]: He says, you probably screwed a few people to get where you are, probably some who loved you, which is a good point.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that hits.
01:19:23 --> 01:19:27 [SPEAKER_09]: It's the cost of doing business, but the kick is it's never going to be enough.
01:19:27 --> 01:19:28 [SPEAKER_07]: Never going to be enough.
01:19:29 --> 01:19:40 [SPEAKER_09]: cut to Parker sitting in at his father's desk like it's a throne, you know, he's the king, but he's sitting there alone with only the person he's forcing to be with him to be with him.
01:19:46 --> 01:20:04 [SPEAKER_09]: I do wonder another reason why I wonder if any episodes were cut out is because at the beginning, John said that there was going to be a few heights before the big one, which was obviously this, and Parker says that he has controlling stake.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:12 [SPEAKER_09]: in a majority stake in all of our works, top performing companies, and Eli's tunnel, we saw the tunnel heist.
01:20:13 --> 01:20:17 [SPEAKER_09]: Obviously he doesn't say heirloom because I don't know.
01:20:17 --> 01:20:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but he does mention Ganon and Procoin.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_09]: So I think those were two other heists that maybe in another version of the show we would have seen, but maybe they decided to make it less.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Highest of the week.
01:20:30 --> 01:20:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Good point.
01:20:31 --> 01:20:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, good point.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't have minded if we got highest of the week.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I know.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's prime time for character development.
01:20:40 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I would have been cool with that.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:44 [SPEAKER_09]: And that's probably where we lost land and yeah.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, yeah, so, I don't know.
01:20:50 --> 01:21:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and the feast would you, if you were being forced to be there like Zikiz, and you're sitting in front of a feast of, and imagine it's all your favorite foods.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:05 [SPEAKER_09]: Would you have eaten the foods or stubbornly not eaten the foods?
01:21:07 --> 01:21:08 [SPEAKER_04]: how to stubbornly not eat them.
01:21:09 --> 01:21:10 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_09]: I might have... I wouldn't have done it.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, this sucks.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_09]: The only thing is, it's excellent pizza in front of you.
01:21:20 --> 01:21:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty like that.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't let that food and I might have sped out it.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, nah, I don't care you got my faves in.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not eating it.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not eating it.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I also, I wonder if this tech that's in his muscle.
01:21:33 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_09]: So he's using a lot of energy up.
01:21:36 --> 01:21:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Doesn't, isn't he hungry?
01:21:37 --> 01:21:38 [SPEAKER_09]: Isn't he extra hungry?
01:21:39 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm assuming that he is, but respect to him for not making him make me eat.
01:21:46 --> 01:21:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to make me do it.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I am doing it.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Just to make you happy.
01:21:51 --> 01:21:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I am doing it.
01:21:52 --> 01:21:52 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:21:53 --> 01:21:54 [SPEAKER_04]: I respect his eat for that.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:56 [SPEAKER_09]: That's fair.
01:21:56 --> 01:21:58 [SPEAKER_09]: What do you think about?
01:21:59 --> 01:22:05 [SPEAKER_09]: So now, John's a one he used to try to cover up Parker's corruption with tattoos and now John's gone.
01:22:05 --> 01:22:12 [SPEAKER_09]: So now Parker is just straight up tracing the veins of corruption as tattoos into his face.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, I think you're missing the point of the cover up tests.
01:22:15 --> 01:22:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's delusional at this point.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, this is who you are.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: This is who you are.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no hiding it any longer.
01:22:27 --> 01:22:29 [SPEAKER_04]: You've made a deal with the devil.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_04]: You've become this, this thing.
01:22:34 --> 01:22:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're trying to hide it.
01:22:35 --> 01:22:36 [SPEAKER_04]: You're trying to hide it from the world.
01:22:36 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_04]: You're trying to hide it from yourself.
01:22:38 --> 01:22:39 [SPEAKER_04]: That's why you're doing this tattoo.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:44 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's no hiding it any longer.
01:22:45 --> 01:22:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Just put the tattoo needle down, bro.
01:22:49 --> 01:22:57 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, especially because now if it is almost kind of retreating at the very end after a reread takes the cape.
01:22:58 --> 01:23:02 [SPEAKER_09]: And but it's like, well, but not where you freaking tattooed it into your face.
01:23:05 --> 01:23:09 [SPEAKER_09]: I guess at least it's it was an artistic decision.
01:23:09 --> 01:23:12 [SPEAKER_09]: It's not, you know, that I sold my soul to the devil.
01:23:12 --> 01:23:13 [SPEAKER_07]: The devil, right, right.
01:23:14 --> 01:23:16 [SPEAKER_09]: Speaking of which, you're going to set up the final reckoning?
01:23:16 --> 01:23:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, in the past, running from the break-in gone wrong, Palka Misa Mysterious Man, played by Sasha Byering College.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Under a bridge, wearing the hood, who opens a magical door to escape to the Pizzeria below Palka's apartment, where the man freezes a noisy table, that's distracting Palka in time, and says he could make him the greatest human of his generation.
01:23:41 --> 01:23:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Parker says he wants to be stupid, disgusting, greasy rich, richer than his father.
01:23:48 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_04]: King, he says the price is something he won't even miss.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:59 [SPEAKER_04]: When Parker agrees, whatever it is, they shake on it, and the man leaves leaving behind
01:24:00 --> 01:24:05 [SPEAKER_09]: In the present day Parker demands his mysterious benefactor show himself and he does.
01:24:05 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Having dropped the fake Chicago accent and pretense of kissing Parker's ass, he informs him he's not his only client and threatens to replace him with someone more appreciative.
01:24:16 --> 01:24:21 [SPEAKER_09]: But he says he'll consider giving Parker more if he can hold on to what he's already got.
01:24:30 --> 01:24:35 [SPEAKER_04]: and these him in the nuts so that she can reset his system and free him.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:42 [SPEAKER_04]: His consciousness shuts down to reboot jailbroken as she continues on to confront Parker.
01:24:43 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_04]: She demands the hood.
01:24:45 --> 01:24:47 [SPEAKER_04]: He calls her a hypocrite and they fight.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Parker goes fully demonic and starts clawing at her suit and she sets off an explosion.
01:24:54 --> 01:25:01 [SPEAKER_04]: When she comes to Parker tries to shoot her, but it turns out to have been just a hologram and she and her suit are fine.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Remy takes the hood and leaves Parker withering on the ground.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Downstairs, the mysterious man who introduces himself as Mephisto when Riri assumes he's Dormamo is sitting in the wreckage of the pizza restaurant eating pizza.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:16 [SPEAKER_09]: He offers her a deal.
01:25:17 --> 01:25:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Riri agrees, provided the deal is only for her and no one else.
01:25:21 --> 01:25:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Then we see Riri working on her algorithm another day.
01:25:25 --> 01:25:32 [SPEAKER_09]: And Natalie appears, human Natalie, alive again, remembering everything about her death and a bit confused about what's happening now.
01:25:33 --> 01:25:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Re-re-hugs her and we see the veins of demonic corruption growing up her arm.
01:25:38 --> 01:25:41 [SPEAKER_04]: In a post-quieted scene, Parker saw a hood of equity.
01:25:41 --> 01:25:45 [SPEAKER_04]: He stops by his dead in a sweet shop and acts Zoma for help.
01:25:46 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_04]: A rather he puts her down, making her feel that she needs to prove herself to him.
01:25:53 --> 01:26:10 [SPEAKER_09]: So Selma, I'm afraid you're going to unleash some more chaos, not intending to, but that is an interesting thing about aging her down, because Comic Selma, since she is a bit more socially responsible, she's always trying to fix things.
01:26:10 --> 01:26:13 [SPEAKER_09]: And this Selma is like, I'm going to call this a trouble.
01:26:14 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even think she's thinking I'm going to call this trouble but you know but she's oblivious to the trouble that she can call right she's just young she's a teenage she's young yeah yeah yeah yeah this this is the show about a lot of young people making a lot of bad decisions yeah
01:26:32 --> 01:26:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Speaking of comics, you know, it's one thing Parker did not get is boots of levitation.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:39 [SPEAKER_09]: He is where he can walk on the air.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:47 [SPEAKER_09]: So I wonder if that's something that's coming in like a future thing or if they're just like, I don't know, because that's kind of cool to just be able to walk through the air.
01:26:47 --> 01:26:48 [SPEAKER_09]: Flying is useful.
01:26:50 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_09]: When Mifisto said, it's something you won't even miss.
01:26:53 --> 01:26:55 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I guess that's his soul.
01:26:56 --> 01:26:57 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I saw.
01:26:58 --> 01:27:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I saw when the devil's talking to you about making bargains, the price is always your soul.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:04 [SPEAKER_04]: For the soul is so mighty next to you.
01:27:04 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I guess, yeah, because that is the question is like, what is Mifisto after?
01:27:11 --> 01:27:13 [SPEAKER_09]: What is his goal with these deals he's making?
01:27:13 --> 01:27:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Just collecting, I mean, we can say in the comics, he is collecting souls to sort of become more powerful like in the Bible.
01:27:24 --> 01:27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think there's anything to the fact that Parker says he wants to be King and King is John's last name?
01:27:34 --> 01:27:36 [SPEAKER_09]: Is he becoming John in some way?
01:27:36 --> 01:27:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Not in think that.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_09]: I think that took his coincidence.
01:27:40 --> 01:27:40 [SPEAKER_04]: The literal.
01:27:41 --> 01:27:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:27:42 --> 01:27:42 [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
01:27:42 --> 01:27:47 [SPEAKER_09]: I loved when he said in the present day, you didn't say it was going to be like this.
01:27:47 --> 01:27:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Like, yeah, that's how these stories work.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:56 [SPEAKER_04]: That's usually what happens when you make a deal with somebody who can stop, you know, time.
01:27:56 --> 01:27:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's appear.
01:27:59 --> 01:27:59 [SPEAKER_09]: Everybody's done.
01:27:59 --> 01:28:01 [SPEAKER_09]: We're doing Reed Fowse for a second.
01:28:02 --> 01:28:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh.
01:28:06 --> 01:28:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he was like they saved some CGI money for that final fight with Riri when it really goes full demonic.
01:28:14 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_09]: That was really good.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:17 [SPEAKER_09]: It was really creepy.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:23 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, although I'm curious about this hologram thing that she set up because it seems like
01:28:24 --> 01:28:28 [SPEAKER_09]: So it was all a hologram, you know, him clawing her apart and her exploding.
01:28:29 --> 01:28:31 [SPEAKER_09]: But it seems like he felt it.
01:28:31 --> 01:28:34 [SPEAKER_09]: Like he felt the machine parts he was pulling out.
01:28:34 --> 01:28:35 [SPEAKER_09]: He felt the explosion.
01:28:35 --> 01:28:38 [SPEAKER_09]: So is this part magic, I guess?
01:28:38 --> 01:28:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
01:28:39 --> 01:28:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I had a question about that too as the hologram was revealed.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Like how, how was he feeling what he was feeling?
01:28:51 --> 01:28:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Is the suit able to you know, like tap into your brain function?
01:28:55 --> 01:28:55 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
01:28:55 --> 01:28:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
01:28:56 --> 01:29:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we know that the suit wasn't viewed with magic, so maybe it's part of that, a spell.
01:29:03 --> 01:29:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Did you feel for him at the end when he's riding on the ground and say, you don't know what it's like without it.
01:29:09 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_09]: It hurts.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_09]: No.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I felt for him a bit.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it was for the best, but I can't even know.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I felt for him, I felt for Parker when he was talking to his father.
01:29:25 --> 01:29:31 [SPEAKER_04]: That's when I felt something akin to empathy for Parker.
01:29:34 --> 01:29:43 [SPEAKER_09]: We see the demonic, because the demonic face progresses to the point where he still has the, you know, the minds of corruption creeping up his face.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:45 [SPEAKER_09]: But then again, he was fricking tattooing numbers.
01:29:46 --> 01:29:58 [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't, I wonder if he separated from the cloak, does from the hood, does his personality revert a bit more and revert to what was,
01:30:00 --> 01:30:03 [SPEAKER_09]: was he ever a kindhearted person?
01:30:03 --> 01:30:08 [SPEAKER_09]: It seems like there was kindness in him in the putting together of the crew and everything.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know if he was kindhearted.
01:30:15 --> 01:30:19 [SPEAKER_09]: I think he is some kindness in there, I'm saying.
01:30:20 --> 01:30:21 [SPEAKER_09]: not that it's the prevailing.
01:30:21 --> 01:30:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can find kindness in almost any corner if we search for it, right?
01:30:24 --> 01:30:25 [SPEAKER_09]: And we should.
01:30:26 --> 01:30:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
01:30:26 --> 01:30:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, but to say that he was kindhearted, I don't know.
01:30:31 --> 01:30:32 [SPEAKER_09]: No, I'm saying it's a prevailing thing.
01:30:33 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just don't, I don't see it.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I just think he selfish.
01:30:37 --> 01:30:38 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw him.
01:30:38 --> 01:30:41 [SPEAKER_09]: I guess point is we saw him get worse.
01:30:41 --> 01:30:48 [SPEAKER_09]: His personality, the way he was treating other people got a lot worse as the corruption from the hood.
01:30:50 --> 01:30:50 [SPEAKER_09]: spread and deepened.
01:30:51 --> 01:30:57 [SPEAKER_09]: So I wonder if separated from the hood, if that reverts it all, if he becomes less.
01:30:58 --> 01:30:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:30:59 --> 01:31:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say yes.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:31:00 --> 01:31:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely.
01:31:02 --> 01:31:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
01:31:03 --> 01:31:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Although I definitely have the feeling Mifisto respects Ruby a lot more.
01:31:09 --> 01:31:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Are you saying that?
01:31:10 --> 01:31:10 [SPEAKER_09]: Parker?
01:31:10 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, if for one thing, he's straight with Riri right away.
01:31:14 --> 01:31:17 [SPEAKER_09]: He knows she's going to see through his bullshit.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:23 [SPEAKER_09]: He talks to, like, with Parker, he first coaxes him in with the Chicago exam before revealing who he really is with Riri.
01:31:23 --> 01:31:26 [SPEAKER_09]: He's like, y'all, I'm a bloke from England.
01:31:26 --> 01:31:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry, I can't really do that access.
01:31:28 --> 01:31:33 [SPEAKER_09]: He's interesting because Sasha Baron Cohen is from London, but I've heard him in plenty of interviews.
01:31:34 --> 01:31:36 [SPEAKER_09]: And this isn't exactly his own accent.
01:31:36 --> 01:31:38 [SPEAKER_09]: He's still amping it off to a certain degree.
01:31:39 --> 01:31:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, but it's just interesting that he immediately he doesn't do the whole like he doesn't try to butter re-reop in the same way.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:50 [SPEAKER_09]: He does butter re-reop, but I just feel like he actually means it with her.
01:31:51 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_09]: Parker was a means to the nut.
01:31:54 --> 01:31:55 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying he's not going to use reread.
01:31:55 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_09]: That's what he does.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:57 [SPEAKER_09]: But I think that he
01:31:58 --> 01:32:19 [SPEAKER_09]: genuinely thinks that she is a great mind, and that he wants to use her the way that, um, sorry, sinners, that spoiler, but the way that Remick wanted to use Sammy, it's, you know, I want to use you, but I want to use you because I think you have a real talent, a real one and one of a kind talent.
01:32:21 --> 01:32:24 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's the devil,
01:32:27 --> 01:32:32 [SPEAKER_04]: So he wants to use, yeah, he wants to use you.
01:32:33 --> 01:32:38 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's going to find a way to use you, whatever your talent might be.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So Parker's talent was being a blunt object, basically.
01:32:48 --> 01:32:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Really mind works in a different way.
01:32:53 --> 01:32:56 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's going to butter her up in a way that
01:32:57 --> 01:32:58 [SPEAKER_04]: appeals to her.
01:32:59 --> 01:33:00 [SPEAKER_04]: So he's not going to bullshit her.
01:33:00 --> 01:33:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's doing it out of respect.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's doing it because he understands that he can't.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:09 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't do the same things to with rewee.
01:33:09 --> 01:33:11 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't talk to her in the same manner.
01:33:12 --> 01:33:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Can't tempt her in the same ways that he approach Parker with.
01:33:19 --> 01:33:27 [SPEAKER_04]: So my fist door is very, you know, he's going to take you and talk to you.
01:33:28 --> 01:33:29 [SPEAKER_04]: and give you specifically.
01:33:30 --> 01:33:32 [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to tailor his message around you.
01:33:32 --> 01:33:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It has nothing to do with respect, I think.
01:33:34 --> 01:33:35 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, okay.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, oh, he certainly, he seems to be putting her in a trance.
01:33:41 --> 01:33:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Like we see, she's a bit disoriented voice echoing at some times.
01:33:47 --> 01:33:55 [SPEAKER_09]: That whole bit with a spoon, you know, when he talks about the reflection in the spoon, but the way it's scraping against the side of the cup, did that felt like a get out reference to me?
01:33:55 --> 01:34:02 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if you agree with that, where the hip and a tiny hand with the spoon scraping against the teacup.
01:34:02 --> 01:34:03 [SPEAKER_04]: No, definitely I could see that.
01:34:03 --> 01:34:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't see it until we just mentioned it, but yeah, I could see that.
01:34:07 --> 01:34:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and it just like in there's like some moments where it feels disjointed.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:19 [SPEAKER_09]: So I wonder, I wonder not that this excuse is her in any way, you know, she continues to make a series of bad choices.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:26 [SPEAKER_09]: But I wonder how much in her own mind she truly was in this conversation.
01:34:27 --> 01:34:34 [SPEAKER_09]: When she agrees, whatever she agrees, because we also don't get complete clarity on what she is right and exactly we don't know.
01:34:34 --> 01:34:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:34:37 --> 01:34:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
01:34:39 --> 01:34:40 [SPEAKER_09]: He says I go by a lot of names.
01:34:41 --> 01:34:42 [SPEAKER_09]: Some of them are actually quite cruel and hurtful.
01:34:42 --> 01:34:44 [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder which names he finds hurtful.
01:34:44 --> 01:34:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Like is the devil hurtful?
01:34:47 --> 01:34:49 [SPEAKER_09]: He's evil incarnate hurtful.
01:34:52 --> 01:34:54 [SPEAKER_09]: But also love like for
01:34:55 --> 01:35:10 [SPEAKER_09]: For people like us who, you know, for every one of us that there is who's been like waiting for Mephisto to finally appear in the MCU, especially since Wandavision, there's way more people out there who are going to have the response that she has Mephisto.
01:35:11 --> 01:35:12 [SPEAKER_09]: Is that supposed to mean something to me?
01:35:15 --> 01:35:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and I love how he's like, don't mama.
01:35:19 --> 01:35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on.
01:35:20 --> 01:35:21 [SPEAKER_04]: He's talking about it.
01:35:22 --> 01:35:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't even wipe my eyes.
01:35:23 --> 01:35:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he's over.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't mama.
01:35:25 --> 01:35:26 [SPEAKER_04]: You know who I am?
01:35:28 --> 01:35:30 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't even get into this realm.
01:35:30 --> 01:35:34 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't even break into this realm.
01:35:34 --> 01:35:35 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about?
01:35:35 --> 01:35:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't mama.
01:35:36 --> 01:35:41 [SPEAKER_09]: This is very of the comics like all those types of entities are always talking shit on each other.
01:35:41 --> 01:35:48 [SPEAKER_09]: And we find out, I'm intrigued while the teases of his clients.
01:35:49 --> 01:36:03 [SPEAKER_09]: The Shakespeare was one is not a huge surprise to me because there is a lot of theories around that the man we think of as William Shakespeare was actually an illiterate man from the countryside who was
01:36:03 --> 01:36:14 [SPEAKER_09]: given credit for writing all these plays to protect a noble person, a noble writer who couldn't out themselves as a playwright because that was definitely not respectful in the seventeenth century.
01:36:15 --> 01:36:16 [SPEAKER_09]: I hope that's not true.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:18 [SPEAKER_09]: At that time.
01:36:19 --> 01:36:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, but that's definitely what they're playing on there.
01:36:22 --> 01:36:24 [SPEAKER_09]: Forbes, one hundred richest list, all of it.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:28 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that sounds pretty, but Tony was on Forbes.
01:36:28 --> 01:36:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, does that mean Tony made a deal with him?
01:36:37 --> 01:36:42 [SPEAKER_09]: He says, fourteen kings and three poops and to be honest, I'm surprised those numbers are so long.
01:36:42 --> 01:36:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, three, only three poops.
01:36:44 --> 01:36:45 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and only fourteen kings.
01:36:46 --> 01:36:53 [SPEAKER_09]: And all how long of history, a beetle, which beetle, everyone wants to say wringo, but I'm going to say, did he said wringo?
01:36:54 --> 01:36:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Did he?
01:36:55 --> 01:36:56 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he said wringo.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:57 [SPEAKER_09]: I thought he said a beetle.
01:36:58 --> 01:36:58 [SPEAKER_04]: No, he said.
01:36:58 --> 01:36:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, damn, everyone's always trapping on Ringo.
01:36:59 --> 01:37:00 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:00 --> 01:37:01 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:01 --> 01:37:02 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:02 --> 01:37:03 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:04 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:04 --> 01:37:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:05 --> 01:37:06 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:06 --> 01:37:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:07 --> 01:37:08 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:08 --> 01:37:09 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:10 --> 01:37:11 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:11 --> 01:37:12 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:12 --> 01:37:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:14 --> 01:37:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:15 --> 01:37:16 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:16 --> 01:37:16 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:16 --> 01:37:19 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:19 --> 01:37:20 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:20 --> 01:37:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:21 --> 01:37:22 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:24 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:24 --> 01:37:26 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James.
01:37:26 --> 01:37:27 [SPEAKER_09]: I was going to grab on George James
01:37:29 --> 01:37:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh man, wow.
01:37:31 --> 01:37:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Fahgy?
01:37:34 --> 01:37:36 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, Fahgy was a character and she hooked.
01:37:38 --> 01:37:39 [SPEAKER_04]: He made a deal with Fahgy, definitely.
01:37:41 --> 01:37:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Who else?
01:37:44 --> 01:37:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, Kingpin?
01:37:46 --> 01:37:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm, could be, although I don't know, Wood Kingpin, make a deal that gave away his own power over himself.
01:37:55 --> 01:37:57 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, Kingpin is the devil.
01:37:59 --> 01:37:59 [SPEAKER_09]: Kingman's going to help.
01:38:00 --> 01:38:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's because of all the religious stuff around their devil.
01:38:08 --> 01:38:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:38:09 --> 01:38:11 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's why I think Kingman.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:38:12 --> 01:38:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.
01:38:12 --> 01:38:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
01:38:16 --> 01:38:17 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a tough question.
01:38:17 --> 01:38:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to have to get back to you on that one.
01:38:19 --> 01:38:39 [SPEAKER_09]: I wanted to, like I was wondering, okay, is there, you know, obviously, my fist is so secure, so you just brush up against various comics, and obviously I've most come across him in the comics where, say, famously, he's involved in the creation of, of Wanda's kids.
01:38:40 --> 01:38:42 [SPEAKER_09]: And so I was like, okay, what should I brush up on?
01:38:42 --> 01:38:44 [SPEAKER_09]: And I looked up his earliest.
01:38:44 --> 01:38:53 [SPEAKER_09]: And the first thing was like, I looked through, oh my god, this character has dealt with literally almost like every corner of the universe, all kinds of different characters.
01:38:53 --> 01:38:57 [SPEAKER_09]: So he definitely can pop up in any corner of the MCU.
01:38:57 --> 01:38:58 [SPEAKER_09]: But I went back to
01:38:59 --> 01:39:13 [SPEAKER_09]: the first story where he's in like a biblical story is the snake, but then the first real story where Mephisto is Mephisto is the silver surfer, and I'm like, oh perfect, because that's a good one to brush up on for the fantastic form of becoming up.
01:39:14 --> 01:39:16 [SPEAKER_09]: But what if Mephisto popped up there?
01:39:17 --> 01:39:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah, I wouldn't know.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_09]: I guess it's packed with the Galactus and everything, but still, maybe do.
01:39:26 --> 01:39:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but this is still a story about the end.
01:39:31 --> 01:39:35 [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about doomsday and what comes after doomsday.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:37 [SPEAKER_04]: This is the story about the end of the Marvel universe.
01:39:39 --> 01:39:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So the devil's player would, yeah, definitely.
01:39:44 --> 01:39:50 [SPEAKER_04]: So I could see, I could absolutely see a pop up in the future, those two feature movies.
01:39:51 --> 01:39:52 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.
01:39:54 --> 01:39:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:39:55 --> 01:40:02 [SPEAKER_04]: maybe not in ff, not in fantastic for it that comes out in three weeks, but definitely in doomsday or secret of secret on wars.
01:40:03 --> 01:40:05 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, okay, okay, fair.
01:40:05 --> 01:40:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Let alone whatever other television series that we might get.
01:40:09 --> 01:40:10 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:40:10 --> 01:40:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Somebody wants to be a famous Hollywood actor.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I heard there's a series about that person coming out.
01:40:16 --> 01:40:21 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, right, Wonderman would, yeah, I could totally see Wonderman making a deal.
01:40:22 --> 01:40:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:40:24 --> 01:40:27 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, so another character we need to have wrapped up.
01:40:28 --> 01:40:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Can I admit that I feel like the asshole here, but I was I was kind of almost I was disappointed that we didn't get AI Natalie back because she had a lot of cool features.
01:40:43 --> 01:40:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I again, I don't know if we if
01:40:50 --> 01:40:51 [SPEAKER_04]: They better have a season two.
01:40:54 --> 01:41:04 [SPEAKER_04]: They better be a season two, they better be a special something because I need to know if she made the deal with the devil and brought Natalie back to life.
01:41:06 --> 01:41:17 [SPEAKER_04]: For sure, because as it ended, you know, I'm looking at the television and this belief that
01:41:18 --> 01:41:27 [SPEAKER_04]: After all she had just witnessed, after all she had just gone through, that she would accept this deal.
01:41:30 --> 01:41:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And as she did accept the deal, I need to figure out, I need to see exactly how it plays out for her to come through as a better person.
01:41:43 --> 01:41:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Because right now, Ruby is not a good person.
01:41:47 --> 01:41:53 [SPEAKER_04]: The series does not leave me with really good vibes.
01:41:54 --> 01:41:55 [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, she did.
01:41:55 --> 01:41:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:41:56 --> 01:41:57 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, she did bad things especially at the end.
01:41:58 --> 01:41:58 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:41:58 --> 01:41:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:41:59 --> 01:42:01 [SPEAKER_09]: So a lot of questionable things at least.
01:42:01 --> 01:42:05 [SPEAKER_09]: It's starting, especially, I mean, we see her from the very beginning.
01:42:05 --> 01:42:13 [SPEAKER_09]: She's, I mean, even when we see her, like the first scene, we see her in and what kind of forever she is selling homework to.
01:42:14 --> 01:42:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
01:42:16 --> 01:42:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I need to see her become better than
01:42:25 --> 01:42:31 [SPEAKER_04]: what she is currently, like she has the capacity to be, to be a hero, right?
01:42:31 --> 01:42:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And right now she's not.
01:42:34 --> 01:42:39 [SPEAKER_04]: And the way they ended it makes it clear that she is not a hero right now.
01:42:40 --> 01:42:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if, you know, AI Natalie deserves, if she deserves AI data.
01:42:51 --> 01:42:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just say that way.
01:42:54 --> 01:42:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
01:42:55 --> 01:42:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Because this is not her Natalie that she's going to.
01:43:00 --> 01:43:03 [SPEAKER_04]: This is, uh, uh, uh, she's making a deal.
01:43:03 --> 01:43:06 [SPEAKER_04]: If she's made this deal, deal with the devil to bring somebody back to life.
01:43:08 --> 01:43:11 [SPEAKER_04]: We know this is not the person that she lost.
01:43:13 --> 01:43:15 [SPEAKER_04]: This is an alternate universe.
01:43:16 --> 01:43:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Different timeline.
01:43:19 --> 01:43:21 [SPEAKER_04]: We, if, if that's the way that they go.
01:43:23 --> 01:43:24 [SPEAKER_04]: they've branched into something else.
01:43:26 --> 01:43:27 [SPEAKER_09]: I just realized I've been muted that whole time.
01:43:36 --> 01:43:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm laughing, I'm sorry folks, I'm laughing because Alicia has been commenting, but she's also been muted.
01:43:48 --> 01:44:01 [SPEAKER_09]: No, this is a good point though, like she's not a zombie Natalie, you know, so, so it seems like, yeah, she must have been plucked from another universe, perhaps she was about to die here and brought here instead, so that's a good point.
01:44:02 --> 01:44:05 [SPEAKER_09]: But it seemed that we saw Riri
01:44:06 --> 01:44:09 [SPEAKER_09]: She was working on the algorithm.
01:44:09 --> 01:44:15 [SPEAKER_09]: And when she saw Natalie show up, she expected her to be an AI Natalie.
01:44:15 --> 01:44:16 [SPEAKER_09]: She's like, it worked.
01:44:16 --> 01:44:18 [SPEAKER_09]: And then she's like, run diagnostic.
01:44:18 --> 01:44:23 [SPEAKER_09]: And you know, she's like, what kind of sci-fi mumbo jumbo are you supposed to make my face?
01:44:24 --> 01:44:27 [SPEAKER_09]: And she's, so she was really surprised to see Natalie as a human.
01:44:28 --> 01:44:31 [SPEAKER_09]: But then we see that that vein of corruption up her arm.
01:44:31 --> 01:44:35 [SPEAKER_09]: And so this makes me wonder why she fully cognizant
01:44:37 --> 01:44:43 [SPEAKER_09]: when and if she made whatever deal with the fact that Maphisto seemed to have been hypnotizing her in a way.
01:44:43 --> 01:44:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, she thought she was bringing AI Natalie back instead of flesh and blood Natalie.
01:44:50 --> 01:44:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:44:50 --> 01:44:59 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, first of all, it did seem like that, but it also seemed like she thought she was bringing AI Natalie back the proper way by, you know, she was working on the algorithms.
01:45:00 --> 01:45:02 [SPEAKER_09]: She wasn't just expecting this magical gift.
01:45:02 --> 01:45:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:45:03 --> 01:45:30 [SPEAKER_09]: like it seemed like she was just trying to recreate her the way she created her the first way I guess regardless she's made a deal with the devil yeah yeah yeah I can't imagine that nobody in her that there's going to be anyone in her life who won't be mad about this but do you think Ronnie will be mad also that re-reachers Valerie over Gary oh that's a good question
01:45:31 --> 01:45:35 [SPEAKER_04]: The ramifications of this choice is a man.
01:45:36 --> 01:45:37 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a good question.
01:45:37 --> 01:45:40 [SPEAKER_04]: And you only got it.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:43 [SPEAKER_04]: You were able to bring Natalie back, but not Gary.
01:45:43 --> 01:45:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Why?
01:45:45 --> 01:45:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:45:47 --> 01:45:53 [SPEAKER_09]: It's definitely the way they cut it and everything though gives me the idea that we are missing chunks of that conversation.
01:45:53 --> 01:45:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:45:55 --> 01:45:56 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, that's the question.
01:45:58 --> 01:46:00 [SPEAKER_09]: is iron hard season to an option.
01:46:00 --> 01:46:02 [SPEAKER_09]: It seems unlikely at this point.
01:46:02 --> 01:46:08 [SPEAKER_09]: Do they have, it does seem like in interviews with the showrunner and producers and stuff.
01:46:09 --> 01:46:17 [SPEAKER_09]: It seems, you know, they obviously, they can't talk about what they know because we know how them marvel machine works with everyone's on a gag order.
01:46:18 --> 01:46:21 [SPEAKER_09]: But their silence on certain questions,
01:46:23 --> 01:46:31 [SPEAKER_09]: It feels like they know that these characters or at least some of these characters are, we're set up for future projects that are coming.
01:46:32 --> 01:46:35 [SPEAKER_09]: So is that going to be more TV shows?
01:46:35 --> 01:46:37 [SPEAKER_09]: Is that going to be the movies we know of?
01:46:40 --> 01:46:43 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we've heard rumors of brought it up earlier.
01:46:43 --> 01:46:51 [SPEAKER_09]: Champions, which would be a good fit for Riri, like the young group banding together, strange academy, which basically good for Zelma.
01:46:53 --> 01:46:54 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:46:54 --> 01:47:09 [SPEAKER_09]: Parker Robbins meeting up with Zomothian just how to set up for strange Academy or is could Parker Robbins be part of the also rumored Midnight Suns, which would be like blade and where will fly night and all that darker side at the universe.
01:47:09 --> 01:47:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Ghost Rider finally.
01:47:11 --> 01:47:15 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
01:47:15 --> 01:47:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you have any thoughts about where we might see any of these characters next?
01:47:19 --> 01:47:19 [SPEAKER_04]: don't.
01:47:20 --> 01:47:21 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't thought about it.
01:47:23 --> 01:47:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't given much thought to where they possibly could be because quite, quite honestly, I.
01:47:34 --> 01:47:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what fight he's going to do.
01:47:37 --> 01:47:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, just don't know.
01:47:39 --> 01:47:40 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I just don't know.
01:47:40 --> 01:47:49 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's, um, you might say one thing and then find out later that that one thing is completely off the board.
01:47:49 --> 01:47:50 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, hmm.
01:47:50 --> 01:47:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I don't want to, like, speculate, like, because then I get disappointed.
01:47:58 --> 01:47:59 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, okay, okay, okay.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, did any final thoughts on IronHurt?
01:48:05 --> 01:48:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like I say when we opened up, this is one of my favorite Disney crush shows.
01:48:14 --> 01:48:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it a ten out of ten?
01:48:16 --> 01:48:17 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
01:48:18 --> 01:48:21 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's sure as hell wasn't enjoyable to watch.
01:48:22 --> 01:48:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:48:22 --> 01:48:23 [SPEAKER_04]: It really was.
01:48:24 --> 01:48:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I made no deals with the devil to say that.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:30 [SPEAKER_09]: I wish they paid us to show.
01:48:34 --> 01:48:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, I think, like I said, my only problems were in some of like maybe where if the pacing felt a little off where I wondered if they were cut it down somewhere, which I would put an unfortunate same thing that happened with Echo.
01:48:49 --> 01:48:51 [SPEAKER_09]: And so I come out of a feeling the same way.
01:48:51 --> 01:48:56 [SPEAKER_09]: Like I really love the characters, although I think that they had, I think
01:48:57 --> 01:49:00 [SPEAKER_09]: I feel, it feels like they went a little deeper on the characters in this one to be out.
01:49:01 --> 01:49:01 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
01:49:01 --> 01:49:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
01:49:02 --> 01:49:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I think they really did a great job of building Riri up, breaking her down, you know, and those around her, they gave the story, it gave the story some real half, you know.
01:49:15 --> 01:49:21 [SPEAKER_04]: There wasn't a lot of fluff to the story, right?
01:49:22 --> 01:49:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And the characters that we've all around, we re-sorbid, they each and every one of them had real meaning, I feel.
01:49:34 --> 01:49:40 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I just thought it was a great introductory hero's journey.
01:49:41 --> 01:49:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:49:41 --> 01:49:42 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:49:43 --> 01:49:43 [SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
01:49:44 --> 01:49:46 [SPEAKER_09]: And that was the end of phase five.
01:49:46 --> 01:49:47 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:49:48 --> 01:49:52 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'd say between this and Thunderbolts, phase five came to a strong close.
01:49:52 --> 01:49:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
01:49:53 --> 01:49:55 [SPEAKER_09]: There's some wobbly moments in there, and I can alive.
01:49:59 --> 01:50:02 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, definitely very, very good.
01:50:03 --> 01:50:11 [SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully this is a good sign for the start of phase four, which launches later this month with fantastic four, which opens on July, twenty fifth.
01:50:12 --> 01:50:18 [SPEAKER_09]: And then we're also getting eyes of Wakanda four episodes dropped at once on August twenty seventh.
01:50:18 --> 01:50:21 [SPEAKER_09]: And the first trailer for that one is out to get to answer our time.
01:50:24 --> 01:50:25 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, all right.
01:50:25 --> 01:50:27 [SPEAKER_09]: It's in the it's in the Marvel chat.
01:50:28 --> 01:50:28 [SPEAKER_09]: But it's funny.
01:50:29 --> 01:50:35 [SPEAKER_09]: I had a laugh that they again, the first thing on the screen is produced by Ryan Cookler.
01:50:35 --> 01:50:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can't go wrong.
01:50:38 --> 01:50:38 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to do it.
01:50:38 --> 01:50:39 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to do it.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:40 --> 01:50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:41 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:41 --> 01:50:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:42 --> 01:50:42 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:42 --> 01:50:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:43 --> 01:50:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:43 --> 01:50:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:43 --> 01:50:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:43 --> 01:50:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:44 --> 01:50:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:50:44 --> 01:50:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:50:45 --> 01:50:47 [SPEAKER_09]: And they sure are in this show.
01:50:47 --> 01:50:48 [SPEAKER_09]: And he's like, you know, what?
01:50:48 --> 01:50:50 [SPEAKER_09]: I did work on these projects.
01:50:51 --> 01:50:54 [SPEAKER_09]: He does seem to have had meaningful input into all of them.
01:50:54 --> 01:51:00 [SPEAKER_09]: And he's aware of the fact that it's raising his profile as he's like, I'm going to write this sinner's moment.
01:51:00 --> 01:51:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:51:01 --> 01:51:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:51:01 --> 01:51:02 [SPEAKER_04]: It's my shift.
01:51:03 --> 01:51:03 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:51:03 --> 01:51:04 [SPEAKER_09]: It's my next project.
01:51:04 --> 01:51:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:51:04 --> 01:51:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think, you know, I wasn't too excited about either for kind of when it was announced.
01:51:11 --> 01:51:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:51:12 --> 01:51:14 [SPEAKER_04]: I know we we different on that.
01:51:14 --> 01:51:18 [SPEAKER_04]: But and I will be seated for the episodes.
01:51:18 --> 01:51:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I will be watching it.
01:51:20 --> 01:51:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we break it down and all that stuff.
01:51:23 --> 01:51:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll see as we get closer if my excitement level for it rises.
01:51:29 --> 01:51:29 [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
01:51:29 --> 01:51:33 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, because I think it is where we differs.
01:51:33 --> 01:51:38 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm excited to see things that are, it's going to be different timelines, part pieces of the timelines.
01:51:38 --> 01:51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:51:38 --> 01:51:42 [SPEAKER_09]: So we're not talking about to, to Chala and his father to Chaka.
01:51:43 --> 01:51:46 [SPEAKER_09]: We're talking about the whole kind of leading up to that point.
01:51:46 --> 01:51:53 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, which is like going to be a window into the history of the rest of the world, too, because we know there's going to be an iron fist at least.
01:51:53 --> 01:51:54 [SPEAKER_09]: And yeah.
01:51:54 --> 01:51:56 [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm looking forward to that one.
01:51:57 --> 01:52:04 [SPEAKER_09]: Actually, before each of those two things, I said, for Marvel, we get two things for the DCU.
01:52:04 --> 01:52:06 [SPEAKER_09]: We have Superman, July, tenth.
01:52:07 --> 01:52:08 [SPEAKER_09]: So definitely be.
01:52:09 --> 01:52:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Can we see it?
01:52:10 --> 01:52:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:52:13 --> 01:52:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I got my ticket.
01:52:14 --> 01:52:16 [SPEAKER_09]: I got my ticket also for the first day.
01:52:18 --> 01:52:22 [SPEAKER_09]: And then peacemaker, we're going to be doing weekly break-downs, eight episodes.
01:52:23 --> 01:52:25 [SPEAKER_09]: Aaron's going to join us from Radioactive Rambling.
01:52:25 --> 01:52:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's going to be fun.
01:52:26 --> 01:52:27 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's going to be fun.
01:52:27 --> 01:52:28 [SPEAKER_09]: That starts.
01:52:28 --> 01:52:30 [SPEAKER_09]: The first episode drops August, twenty first.
01:52:31 --> 01:52:34 [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll have to see what our release schedule for that is going to be.
01:52:34 --> 01:52:37 [SPEAKER_09]: We are going to be doing weekly breakdowns for peacemakers season two.
01:52:37 --> 01:52:39 [SPEAKER_09]: And I've been excited.
01:52:39 --> 01:52:40 [SPEAKER_09]: James gun.
01:52:40 --> 01:52:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, first of all, we can see it in the trailers, but James gun has been saying and interviews that by the end of peacemaker, we're going to have a better idea about the direction of the DCU in general in this first phase, code gods and monsters.
01:52:57 --> 01:53:07 [SPEAKER_09]: In addition to superman and creature commandos, but yeah, it seems like just the fact that season one of peacemaker was in a different universe and season two is in this universe.
01:53:07 --> 01:53:09 [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's gonna answer a lot of questions this season.
01:53:10 --> 01:53:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me just say this.
01:53:13 --> 01:53:18 [SPEAKER_04]: I saw that James gun was talking about Nubia, bringing Nubia to the screen.
01:53:19 --> 01:53:20 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you do that, my brother.
01:53:20 --> 01:53:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh.
01:53:22 --> 01:53:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I apologize.
01:53:24 --> 01:53:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll say it right now.
01:53:26 --> 01:53:27 [SPEAKER_04]: You give me Nubia.
01:53:27 --> 01:53:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm our brother.
01:53:28 --> 01:53:29 [SPEAKER_04]: You look.
01:53:29 --> 01:53:30 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:30 --> 01:53:31 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:31 --> 01:53:32 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:32 --> 01:53:33 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:33 --> 01:53:34 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:34 --> 01:53:35 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:35 --> 01:53:36 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:36 --> 01:53:37 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:37 --> 01:53:39 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:39 --> 01:53:40 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:40 --> 01:53:41 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:41 --> 01:53:42 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:42 --> 01:53:43 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:43 --> 01:53:45 [SPEAKER_09]: You can take back James.
01:53:45 --> 01:53:46 [SPEAKER_04]: You can take back James.
01:53:47 --> 01:53:57 [SPEAKER_09]: So as you'll get this episode, I think this week's episode of Murderbot will have released just before it, so that means one more week of Murderbot coming.
01:53:58 --> 01:54:05 [SPEAKER_09]: And then the same day, the last episode of Murderbot drops the first episode of foundation three starts.
01:54:05 --> 01:54:06 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah.
01:54:08 --> 01:54:20 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, John and Marilyn are going to be doing weekly coverage and now that he's the social embargo has been lifted, he can he said that he really enjoyed the start of the new season.
01:54:20 --> 01:54:23 [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm looking forward to it too.
01:54:23 --> 01:54:25 [SPEAKER_09]: If you have feedback about
01:54:25 --> 01:54:30 [SPEAKER_09]: Any of this, you can send it to lorehounds of the lorehounds.com or MCU with the lorehounds.com.
01:54:30 --> 01:54:44 [SPEAKER_09]: If it's specifically about Marvel, you'll also find the link to the discord and the link tree in the show notes and the discord we have a whole Marvel forum and lots of chats also juicy forum and lots of chats for everything else.
01:54:46 --> 01:54:49 [SPEAKER_09]: And you'll also find links to all the other affiliates there, too.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:50 [SPEAKER_09]: Never mind the music.
01:54:50 --> 01:54:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Radio actor Ramlings rings and rituals properly, Howard, which is currently doing their bacon rap season.
01:54:56 --> 01:54:56 [SPEAKER_09]: We'll shift dust.
01:54:56 --> 01:55:02 [SPEAKER_09]: We've just started our doon book break down the original and the Star Wars Cannon Timeline podcast.
01:55:05 --> 01:55:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Also on our lower-hounds main feed there was we just did our twenty eight years later episode that was a really great episode there was that was that was fun Yeah, yeah on the twenty eights
01:55:20 --> 01:55:26 [SPEAKER_09]: We did a twenty-eight days and weeks for subscribers in the supercast and patreon feeds and years in the public feed.
01:55:26 --> 01:55:28 [SPEAKER_09]: We are joined by special guest Riley.
01:55:28 --> 01:55:32 [SPEAKER_09]: And we got the word zoom bees out of it for a moment.
01:55:35 --> 01:55:49 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, in supercast and patreon, you have access to extra episodes like that ad free access to everything plus those extra bonus content episodes like also for shows like end or and wheel of time and severance.
01:55:49 --> 01:55:54 [SPEAKER_09]: And like our recent Sony spider villain versus power ranking funeral, which is fun.
01:55:54 --> 01:56:01 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, and the extra elevensies movie festival, which this month, it is the Val cummer film fest.
01:56:01 --> 01:56:04 [SPEAKER_09]: There's four films being voted on right now.
01:56:04 --> 01:56:07 [SPEAKER_09]: They are neck and neck all four of them.
01:56:07 --> 01:56:11 [SPEAKER_09]: But I think willow and heat were tied last time I checked, but
01:56:11 --> 01:56:12 [SPEAKER_09]: a vote could change it.
01:56:12 --> 01:56:13 [SPEAKER_09]: And one way or the other.
01:56:14 --> 01:56:16 [SPEAKER_09]: So if you have access to that vote.
01:56:16 --> 01:56:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I love well.
01:56:17 --> 01:56:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it got to be.
01:56:20 --> 01:56:22 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, it's got to be.
01:56:24 --> 01:56:26 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not he, everybody go home.
01:56:28 --> 01:56:31 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, forward the fact that it's about killer film best.
01:56:32 --> 01:56:36 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll, we'll, you know, it's gotta be, you know, it's gotta be the way don't hide.
01:56:36 --> 01:56:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, though.
01:56:37 --> 01:56:41 [SPEAKER_09]: Gotta be for the perspective of it being from about Val Kilmer.
01:56:41 --> 01:56:43 [SPEAKER_09]: I would make it the yours, which is another option.
01:56:43 --> 01:56:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
01:56:44 --> 01:56:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:56:44 --> 01:56:44 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:56:44 --> 01:56:46 [SPEAKER_09]: Is most showcased role one of.
01:56:46 --> 01:56:47 [SPEAKER_04]: It's still gotta be he.
01:56:48 --> 01:56:48 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm still upset.
01:56:48 --> 01:56:50 [SPEAKER_09]: I couldn't put tombstone on the list.
01:56:51 --> 01:56:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, they, why?
01:56:53 --> 01:56:55 [SPEAKER_09]: Because I had to choose at the end.
01:56:55 --> 01:57:00 [SPEAKER_09]: I chose last and at the end, like, I was between Willow and Tombstone and I was like, oh, okay.
01:57:00 --> 01:57:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
01:57:01 --> 01:57:01 [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
01:57:01 --> 01:57:01 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
01:57:02 --> 01:57:02 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:57:02 --> 01:57:08 [SPEAKER_09]: But I rewatched Tombstone anyway, just because and that movie's still really good.
01:57:08 --> 01:57:12 [SPEAKER_09]: It gets a totally Hollywood Western, but Val Camler's role in it.
01:57:13 --> 01:57:16 [SPEAKER_09]: His performance is just one for the absolute ages.
01:57:16 --> 01:57:17 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:57:18 --> 01:57:33 [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, so all that extra stuff for SuperGasm Pays round, but we'll see you back here in the public feed for with our superman, fantastic four eyes of Wakanda, peacemaker, whole bunch of other stuff.
01:57:33 --> 01:57:40 [SPEAKER_09]: Foundation coming out weekly, it's going to continue to be a busy place to talk about nerd culture.
01:57:42 --> 01:57:48 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, I pulled a mystery one from the synth wave folder this time and honor of the eclectic soundtrack.
01:57:49 --> 01:57:54 [SPEAKER_09]: And in honor of my favorite of the iron hard intros, this one is called asphalt.
01:57:57 --> 01:58:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, so thank you to our Discord server boosters, Erin Kay, Tilo, the Thriller, Dork of the Ninjas, Dube-Seventy-One, Athena Agilaya, Tina, Lestu, Nancy M. Ghost, Partition, Radio Act of Richard, thank you to all of our listeners, thank you especially to our Laura Hound subscribers and most of all to our Laura Masters, Samarshan, Michael G, Michelle E. Brian P. S.C.
01:58:19 --> 01:58:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Peter O'H.
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01:58:42 --> 01:58:48 [SPEAKER_09]: Ill Mario, forward slash Tim, Paul K, Bobby C, and always last Audrey on.
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01:58:54 --> 01:58:58 [SPEAKER_09]: If you leave a nice review wherever you're listening, that really helps us out a lot.
01:58:59 --> 01:59:01 [SPEAKER_09]: And show them to you when to take us out.
01:59:01 --> 01:59:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let me just say this.
01:59:04 --> 01:59:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Damson Indris was on today show.
01:59:08 --> 01:59:10 [SPEAKER_04]: And asked him, would you play to Chala?
01:59:11 --> 01:59:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said yes.
01:59:12 --> 01:59:13 [SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't happen.
01:59:13 --> 01:59:14 [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't know about that.
01:59:15 --> 01:59:15 [SPEAKER_09]: Really happened.
01:59:16 --> 01:59:17 [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't happen.
01:59:18 --> 01:59:18 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:59:18 --> 01:59:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
01:59:19 --> 01:59:19 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
01:59:20 --> 01:59:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So Fagi.
01:59:22 --> 01:59:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Just listen.
01:59:24 --> 01:59:25 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
01:59:25 --> 01:59:26 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe he's already been cast.
01:59:29 --> 01:59:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't get me started.
01:59:30 --> 01:59:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't get me started.
01:59:31 --> 01:59:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's crossed.
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