David, John, and Jean kick off their weekly coverage of Star Wars: Maul - Shadow Lord with a discussion of the two-episode premiere. A quick note — we had some technical issues with our usual recording setup this week, so the audio quality isn't up to our normal standards, but the conversation is very much worth the listen. The team breaks down Maul's opening moves to reignite a syndicate war on Janix, the introduction of Devon Izara and her Jedi Master Daki in hiding, and Detective Brander Lawson's noir-tinged investigation into the chaos Maul is unleashing. The conversation explores the show's bold decision to center a villain as its protagonist, the striking animation style, and how these first two chapters establish the themes of revenge, power, and manipulation that will drive the season.
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00:00 --> 00:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, everybody.
00:01 --> 00:01 [SPEAKER_01]: David here.
00:01 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Just want to drop in real quick and give you a heads up that for our recording today.
00:06 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: John and John and I.
00:10 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We had to change our recording platform at the last minute.
00:14 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So the audio quality is going to be a little different.
00:16 --> 00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The editing is going to be a little different.
00:17 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be less polished than we normally put out.
00:20 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So apologies for that, but we wanted to get this.
00:23 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: recorded and out as soon as possible.
00:27 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, the three of us, but we all had very long and busy days.
00:32 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So, we're a little bit punchier than we may normally be, but it sort of adds to the fun of the recordings.
00:39 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So, just to set a little bit of expectations and ask for your understanding in terms of our usual production qualities.
00:48 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, enough said, let's jump into the episode.
01:10 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Lower Hounds, where you're guides to the underbelly of the Empire.
01:13 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm David, and this is our coverage of Episode 1 and 2 for the new Star Wars animated feature, Mall Shadow Lord.
01:21 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: With me today are my fellow host, Jon, and our fellow co-host, Jon,
01:30 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: due to some technical issues and some other things we are not recording on our normal technology platform so the audio and some of the other things might not be as smooth as they are on normal circumstances so for given any audio quality issues but we're here we made it we aligned three schedules in the galaxy to be in one place at one time and that is let me tell you in this day and age it's saying something
01:58 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I'm good.
02:00 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he's driving today.
02:02 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_06]: It was me.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_06]: It was me.
02:04 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_06]: It was all me.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Ah, that's all right.
02:07 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you.
02:09 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Go John, how are you?
02:11 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I will get my vengeance for this misstep John.
02:17 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So we are coming in hot with full spoilers.
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything Star Wars is on the table.
02:22 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: However, we're going to break up our conversations about one in episodes one and two a little bit.
02:28 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Although with episode two, I don't know if it matters all that much in terms of spoilers, but we're going to at least break up the conversation.
02:35 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a commercial break in between the two episodes.
02:38 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We also have got a calm link from Alicia.
02:40 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got her hot takes and a lore bomb for us to consider.
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited.
02:47 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_05]: More excited for the podcast that I was video episode.
02:49 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, can you?
02:52 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, David John, there's you got some dialogue here, John, in the outline.
02:56 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're keeping all this in because I'm not editing this thing because it's a different, did he freeze to come on?
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Zoom seriously?
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This is nobody freeze?
03:05 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he froze.
03:07 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Bloody hell.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You froze, John.
03:08 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
03:10 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_05]: What did you ask me because I didn't be here?
03:12 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a you have a section in the
03:15 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_05]: If you want to get into contact with us, send an email to StarWords at theloorhounds.com or you can head to our Discord server where we have channels for the mall, dark, lord, show, shadow, lord.
03:25 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, I'm never going to get the title to show, right?
03:28 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And all other things StarWords and nerdy, you can find links to everything in the show notes, in the link tree.
03:34 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And don't forget that we're independent podcasts and we'd love your support via Patreon or supercast if you have the dollars to spare.
03:42 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Also linked in the show notes, by the way.
03:44 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're new here, we cover Star Wars pretty regularly, but we always like to give a little bit of context because Star Wars fans can get a little frisky about the lore and such.
03:57 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we just want to set some expectations.
04:07 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you are pretty well versed with the lore.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a good timeline in your head.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think and you've read a bunch of the books.
04:16 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I, you know, I feel like Ray in the Force Awakens when Kylo Ren, which is Alicia to me, says you need a teacher.
04:25 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I got some raw potential of the Star Wars universe, but I'm certainly no timeline efficient, not a like.
04:31 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're a little old at least you had one.
04:33 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's right.
04:35 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I am too old to become a Patawan, but it's debatable now that we're in the Imperial era.
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_05]: What is a Patawan in this era?
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're going to explore that question a lot in the show.
04:45 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Good question.
04:46 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: John, I don't think I've ever asked you where you are with your Star Wars.
04:51 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know your comic book, Guy, and certainly an MCU DCU expert master.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Your Star Wars lore.
05:03 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, to keep it going with John's example, I'm probably like a spin of this crew.
05:09 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm very force sensitive.
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
05:12 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to take it away from me, but I've worked sensitive, just like, yeah, um, now, but I, you know, I watch, you know, all the movies, all the TV shows, I've read some of the comics, not all of them.
05:24 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I really haven't delve into the books, um, but yeah, I'm pretty well
05:31 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
05:32 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
05:33 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Alicia, who's not with us tonight, is sort of our lore master of notes with Star Wars.
05:41 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She really has a full hand-alone and deep into all of the different races and lore, a force history and all that kind of stuff.
05:51 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's going to be sending in regular updates on these podcasts as we go forward, including sort of key lore bits of anything that we see on screen to help us contextualize it a little bit.
06:06 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So we've got a lot of Star Wars experience within our community, but we're not.
06:11 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: A Star Wars specific, or a Star Wars only show.
06:15 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just saying this for anyone new who's finding us.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We cover a lot of shows.
06:19 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We cover everything from the pit to rings a power house of the dragon to Ted Lasso.
06:24 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we're really into story and we're really into, into, uh, lore and diving into lore, but we're, um, as a collective,
06:38 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_05]: No, actually, I think you should hold us to extreme accountability with this story, and if you have a single quibble with anything, we would say that you should leave us a one star of you and call us out.
06:50 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Two woke.
06:51 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's spoiling all in far too much, right?
06:54 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that said, we do, we have covered a lot of star wars and or the acolyte skeleton crew, Mandalorian, soka.
07:02 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We've covered bad batch.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a Stold Star Wars movie project, John.
07:08 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, where are we up to?
07:09 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We got up to 77.
07:12 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get to Empire Striking.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_05]: We did Empire Striking.
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We did.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_05]: We sure did.
07:16 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_05]: We were going to cover space balls next section.
07:20 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_05]: And then that, yeah, just, you know, but yeah, I mean, look, it's a fun thing to do once in a while.
07:28 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do our best.
07:29 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll do our best.
07:30 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually.
07:31 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, we have Mando and Grogu coming up in a soka later this year, and so let's just really quick before we get into our hot takes.
07:41 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we all have some different opinions about Star Wars animated.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I...
07:46 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Had a hard time with a lot of the earlier animated shows, bad batches, my favorite so far, I don't think I haven't finished Clone Wars nor rebels, but John, you have some opinions about I believe rebels, right?
08:03 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I love both Clone Wars and Rebels, uh, Mall is a part of both of them and he is a really interesting character in them in a way that surprised me, you know, I don't want to go deep into the Mall's stuff yet, but I was very excited for the show because I really like to make Clone Wars and Rebels.
08:22 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
08:23 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And I've done some reading on some of the books too, but nothing involving mall, I don't think.
08:27 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And rebels, is it, did you, you've been on record saying that rebels is the highs of rebels are very high?
08:34 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, I, I think, well, I actually think the highs of Clone Wars are the highest, or the highest, or the highest, the rebels is more consistently good than Clone Wars.
08:44 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
08:44 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, in Clone Wars a little
08:47 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Côme Moore's has some real gimmicky stuff, but what it hits, it really does, it's thing.
08:54 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
08:55 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean, I don't, again, I'm not sure where you are with the animated.
08:59 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you've heard me complain about the overview of rehash of 77 sound effects.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody cares.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_04]: You're the only one.
09:10 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Then me back to bed is by I'm getting my hand
09:18 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: John, what's your take on, just the animated world in general?
09:23 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think rebels might be my fav.
09:27 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And I only say that now because I just finished watching it with me, my nine-year-old Susan Ten.
09:34 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And he absolutely loved the series.
09:39 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think watching it with him gave me further appreciation for it.
09:47 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_06]: you know, Clone Wars because I love the Anakin story.
09:51 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it was really well done to flesh it out the way that they did.
09:56 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_06]: So I, yeah, really, I, those are my two favorite and rebel surpasses Clone Wars only because I see the wonder that E seems when he watches that particular show.
10:11 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
10:12 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
10:13 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
10:14 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, let's, uh, did you, you saw a bad batch, didn't you?
10:19 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Joan?
10:20 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:20 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I've watched everything.
10:22 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, are you, uh, where are you with bad batch?
10:24 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think in terms of tone, bad batch and this new mall show seem the closest together.
10:31 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
10:33 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I have to think about that.
10:35 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_06]: That's what's, yeah, let's talk about that.
10:39 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's get into it.
10:41 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know about that.
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to quibble.
10:44 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_05]: I think the last season of Clone Wars, the one that was made by Disney after the revival is the closest that you don't know to this.
10:51 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_05]: It's got a darkness to it, but it's not without.
10:57 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little bit lighter, but it is like, but spoilers for some of them is 15 years old.
11:02 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_05]: But it is the final story of everything falling in the shit.
11:11 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, as you know, I was just laying a trap for the, for the Star Wars heads out there.
11:15 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So they could at me when you did a little of the game.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we're just having differing opinions here.
11:20 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, also, David, I don't think you've watched the tales of the underworld tells of the empire.
11:25 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: No, uh, stuff, which is has a little bit more of that darkness inherent in it.
11:30 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.
11:31 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
11:31 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_06]: And those are really good, too.
11:33 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, one of them I haven't seen an orange one, but the most recent one I have to go back and watch it.
11:39 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm a great man on the one with a size which was really good.
11:46 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I want that one.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_05]: That was a really good one.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_06]: That was really good.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Delicious favorite.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:54 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get in to our now that we're here.
11:56 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's actually take it a step further and talk about our hot takes for episode one.
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a voice mail from Alicia.
12:05 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So let me play that real quick.
12:07 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Alicia here checking in by coming for this week's lower bomb.
12:13 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, and look at that.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I found a functional mic cable.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But sorry, I didn't have a sound again.
12:18 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: This mall is plagued.
12:19 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You episode, although I hope you check that out, because I'm going to avoid repeating any of that here.
12:26 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Just my thoughts on the show in general so far, I think it's off to a fantastic start.
12:32 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The techno noir vibes are immaculate.
12:36 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some incredible actions in a photography and great character work.
12:40 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I like how they started by setting Devon on the brink of falling before she even met mall.
12:46 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: and but making it completely understandable why she would be in that place there's so much badassery even from eco-deo doki who I was joking in the chat was turning his patawan over to the police like he was Sam Wilson's Captain America portraying Isaiah that one's for jump and I want to spy about I want to spy about to be my drug companion
13:11 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to mention, I talked about the new comic that's linked to the show.
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The first issue was really beginning of March.
13:19 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned a bit about that in our preview episode.
13:22 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The next issue comes out April 8th.
13:25 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So I will let you know in my com-link message next week.
13:28 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's any essential lore for the show, other than apparently, I mentioned that there was a crime-lord named Beamus.
13:35 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he showed up here, but he sure didn't last long.
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He did he, so I guess he will last through the comic, though.
13:42 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, she's got a second part of that same message, which is gonna be a bit of a lore that will play a little bit later.
13:50 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean, what did you pick it up and give us your hot takes for episode one?
13:56 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, this, this is just beautiful to watch.
14:00 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_06]: It looks like at least it just said, just the whole vibe, the neowars, like, really cool.
14:08 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, it's underbelly.
14:11 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_06]: in the Star Wars universe, which is something that, you know, I really appreciate bringing work to screen and I think it just looks great.
14:20 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_06]: The one thing that I really, really loved in this person was the case soon.
14:27 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Just like, you know, it almost felt like I'm watching a
14:37 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_06]: whole different, not a speeder, not, you know, race, nothing like that.
14:42 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Just a good old fashion car chase.
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was so fun to watch.
14:47 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And I, you know, really appreciated seeing more in this place where he's consumed with really, you know, vengeance.
14:56 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, this is, this is what he wants.
14:58 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_06]: This is, I'm going to take the next step to get what I want to get.
15:04 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: and what I want to get is ultimately to defeat Sidious.
15:10 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, just get our Sidious drop.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Man has never gotten over getting his ass kicked by an old man.
15:15 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Never, never, never.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_06]: And I could appreciate that.
15:19 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_06]: You thought that way.
15:20 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I could appreciate, you know, holding onto that grudge.
15:23 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I get it.
15:25 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I just really, I'm ready to dig into seeing how he eventually
15:34 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_06]: her around.
15:36 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Because she died, she was done.
15:40 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to, I'm going to have to put a pin in it because we're going to talk about more later.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to start.
15:45 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
15:45 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
15:46 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
15:46 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
15:47 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
15:47 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_06]: So those are my, those are my, those are my thoughts.
15:50 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
15:50 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a beautiful show to watch.
15:53 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And one thing that really stood out for me, that made me like really happy was watching the
16:03 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you put a comment in our discord chat that made me think that your account had been hacked.
16:12 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious.
16:13 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You had a different take on the episode.
16:16 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So you want to clue us in on how you're feeling about the show?
16:20 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I was honestly nervous to podcast about it, not because I hated it, but because I was so lukewarm about it and I think that's the most boring take to have on a podcast, like if I hated that, that might be entertaining, but I was, I was like, ah,
16:35 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_05]: it was fine.
16:36 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_05]: It was fine.
16:37 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_05]: The visuals absolutely exquisite, man, I say.
16:41 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Like they have been working on the same animation style with sort of a departure with rebels, but from Clone Wars through the Bad Batch and all these tales of Bob Oban series, and they're really just by the end of the Bad Batch.
16:55 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't imagine it's getting any better.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_05]: It's better now.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It looks great.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_05]: They have these
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_05]: incredibly detailed backgrounds.
17:04 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_05]: They have this really distinct animation style that just says Star Wars where it's like, you know, slightly bigger, bigger head with angular features with the detailed skin on top of it for the character.
17:16 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_05]: And it just tells you, this is the character.
17:17 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_05]: We know that this is, you know, not a realistic person, but this is the stylized version of Star Wars.
17:23 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm totally with it.
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_05]: It feels confident in its execution.
17:28 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's what's good about it.
17:30 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, the story is the weakest point of it.
17:32 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know that I come to show us for the story.
17:35 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't come for just the visuals.
17:38 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're just the people that's a me problem with Star Wars because Star Wars has inherently been a visual.
17:45 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_05]: you know, a visual feast from the beginning.
17:49 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_05]: The first Star Wars movie is quite a simple story too.
17:51 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I think I just need to see this show develop a little bit more.
17:57 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I would like it better as a binge, which I almost never say, but the amount of story we got in this episode of basically just mall would like revenge.
18:08 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Should I have had a one maybe bad?
18:11 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
18:12 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the whole story more.
18:15 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I want more.
18:16 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was a little disappointed that they didn't do more in these two episodes.
18:20 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
18:20 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_05]: Now it's a lot of setup.
18:22 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_05]: It was only 40 minutes of screen time total.
18:24 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
18:24 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to judge a little show on it.
18:26 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying that for these two episodes that they did not hook me in a way that a lot of other shows have hooked me with the gambit.
18:32 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
18:33 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I have much more to add from a hot takes standpoint.
18:37 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The animation is great, even the camera moves are very cinematic.
18:43 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a sort of a crane shot the way we drop down on our protagonists, you know, onto the street before the little shoplifting scene.
18:56 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was a very cinematic move.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really great.
19:00 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty standard, noir, crime plot, I think if you like detective mysteries and crime syndicate stuff, then you can watch this and then the Star Wars stuff is just kind of there for fun.
19:14 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you like Star Wars and are interested in expanded world building, that's a bit tangential to the main, the traditional main story lines, and I think this show is also for you.
19:24 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're doing a good job.
19:27 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: in creating a cool storytelling space, and yeah, the story lines are a little tropey, but that's fine, because it's beautiful to look at.
19:40 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a cool last character and some cool last fighting, and like, I'm happy.
19:44 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Saturday morning.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm bold.
19:46 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm chewing down my cereal pretty happily.
19:49 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but in the best way, like,
19:53 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty excited.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
20:00 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Any other thoughts before we take a quick break?
20:03 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, when we come back, we can get into talking about episode one for long.
20:07 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm ready to dive in.
20:08 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
20:09 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
20:22 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back.
20:24 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you Wikipedia for giving us a nice little synopsis to read out, chapter one, The Dark Revenge.
20:32 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But the end of the Clone Wars and the rise of the Galactic Empire, former Sith Lord Mal and his Lieutenant Rook cast, lead the Shadow Collective in robbing a bank on Janks to spark conflict between crime lords, Nico Demis
20:51 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: in the past.
20:53 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: After killing several police officers, mall draws the attention of the tactical defense force, Captain Brander Lawson, meanwhile, a fugitive Jedi, Patawan, Devon, Izara, and her master, Iki Diodaki, if I said that right, survived as beggars.
21:13 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Azara is arrested after shoplifting and Larson tries to get Azara to cooperate with him, but she refuses.
21:19 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Mal sabotages talks between Demis and Vario and sends a team to kill Vario, but Larson intervenes and arrests him for Demis's death.
21:29 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Mall later attacks the police precinct, defeats the police officer droids and confronts Vario who persuades him to spare his life by offering, offering to help against the Pike Syndicate leader, Mark Krim Mall also becomes interested in Devon.
21:48 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just do a quick run around talking about the
21:52 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_01]: the plot and the characters.
21:55 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll start off with Lawson and two boots, John, what's your, how are you feeling about Lawson and Wagner Mora, who is voicing this character?
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
22:09 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, I never thought about it, you know, policing in the empire, you know, I, I've never thought about, you know, having a police force in the empire because I was assumed that the, that the, the troopers were the, the fact of police force, right?
22:26 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Gotcha.
22:26 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what about Andrew?
22:27 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
22:28 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And or we had the whole corporate police force, very similar.
22:33 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So you mean, the, the, the, the variation.
22:36 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:36 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:37 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
22:37 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:37 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:38 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:38 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:38 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
22:39 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
22:40 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
22:40 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
22:40 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
22:40 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
22:41 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
22:41 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_06]: You're right.
22:42 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
22:43 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Fair.
22:43 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good point.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't think of that.
22:45 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But we didn't really think of them as police without the more corporate security, uh, even doing law enforcement.
22:52 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:52 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
22:53 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
22:53 --> 22:53 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
22:54 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: because police are what civil servants.
22:56 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
22:58 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm not sure if I want to open on the structures of this police person in the galaxy, but that's what it made me think about was policing in the galaxy and these other low cows that we haven't visited where the empires presence may not be felt as harsh as
23:20 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_06]: the locales that we have visited on screen multiple times.
23:25 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_06]: So it was really interesting to see how, you know, there is an active policing, you know, unit that is charged with.
23:37 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_06]: crunchy people like we want to stop crying like what what what what are we doing here like is really took me back for a minute like to think about that and what it means for Star Wars and what it means for this series and that is a you know uh not some sort of you know marshal or you know some sort of but a actual police force that is you know given demand to stop criminals
24:07 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_06]: So I really thought that I want to explore more of Lawson and his backstory and how he became what he is currently.
24:17 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Was he always an officer?
24:19 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Was he placed into this role post, you know, city is coming to power and like what's going on?
24:27 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_06]: So those were my initial thoughts upon meeting Lawson.
24:31 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:32 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot of blade runnery kind of vibes from this police force as well.
24:37 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're they're definitely going for some homages for from earlier science fiction works.
24:45 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're on record of even saying some of that.
24:48 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: John, did you have any opinions about
24:52 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, the Andy Griffith School of Pleasings, taught these guys a number.
24:59 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_05]: I do appreciate, you know, they seem to at least want to do the right thing.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
25:05 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_05]: And we need to have at least some kind of a baseline morality in the show where it's going to get really old just watching the bad guys be bad at worst each other, right?
25:14 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Especially, you know, this is ostensibly a kid's show.
25:18 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_05]: We want some kind of lightness in it.
25:20 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, I, you know, obviously there's something going on here where he won't send away his son.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_03]: John, did you freeze again?
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, freeze.
25:37 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to know?
25:41 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, just hope that he comes back.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_03]: His backshells too.
25:45 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Your back, uh, you froze, you were gone.
25:48 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_05]: The way he's sorry.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It might be, and yeah, I don't know.
25:51 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be in the audio.
25:52 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So what um, what are you hearing me say last year?
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you were talking about?
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sending away a son.
25:59 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's not, he's not sending away a son and I don't know if I agree with him that it's safer to not send away his son when his workplaces getting bombed.
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, but you know, there's something going on with that.
26:11 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, there's some reason he doesn't want to send away his son and the props.
26:14 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a secret there that has to do with the
26:19 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: episode two.
26:20 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_05]: I guess you know it's part of the main team that I don't know how I'm going to talk about this without for a second.
26:25 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I was so too brave.
26:26 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Especially if we're going to talk about it what we think of characters overall.
26:29 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's do this.
26:31 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry dear listener, if you thought we were going to separate the two episodes, we're going to change that up.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's 30 and 24 minutes, so apologies.
26:39 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a awkward recording situation that we're dealing with tonight as well.
26:44 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're just going to open it up and let's just go for it across the board.
26:48 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So apologies for the midstream change, but hey, y'all are big people.
26:54 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You can handle it carry on, John, please.
26:56 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just had one other thing to say is obviously we know from the second episode.
26:59 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_05]: He's got his back channels too.
27:01 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_05]: He might have a moral intent, but we will see if he's able to live up to that in 10.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_05]: throughout the season.
27:09 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That is rena-soul and we don't know yet much about her, at least I I don't know.
27:16 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: She's free for dinner is true.
27:19 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's she's interested in them.
27:21 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They cost to Cal tour, Cal, Catalore, Catalore, Catalore.
27:28 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's some sort of shared job or event or history that they have between them.
27:35 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a question, is he divorced?
27:38 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Or it sounds like it.
27:40 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_05]: It really sounds like this is a split custody situation.
27:42 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
27:43 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's an interesting thing in the Star Wars.
27:45 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of depicting a modern family style sort of situation.
27:51 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
27:51 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't call any other time we've seen that.
27:54 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the voice that was she was dead.
27:58 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, maybe he's hiding that she's dead.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, can I go see mom?
28:01 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_04]: It's certainly true.
28:03 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Not unless you piss me off enough.
28:05 --> 28:06 [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
28:07 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty hard.
28:09 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_04]: That's how I look as a dark show.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to make a dark church.
28:12 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not bad, I'm not
28:37 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: situational or tactical analysis and things went down.
28:40 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, in my mind, I was like, I made a note.
28:44 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yo, this is heat.
28:45 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Al Pacino showing up on the scene of the crime.
28:49 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Alicia posted in the discord, a link to an article or something, where
28:55 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The showrunners actually said, yeah, we're referencing a whole bunch of stuff in this episode, and that this is, you know, heat.
29:03 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The heat scene is definitely an inspiration for part of this.
29:07 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was kind of cool.
29:08 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And it sort of connects in with the, the crying, the cryinginess of this all, right?
29:16 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, these are, it's going to park and back to, you know, good fellows and other mob shows and heat and stuff like that.
29:23 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a lot of fun.
29:25 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_05]: What point does mall walk into a room and go?
29:28 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, shit.
29:32 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually swear is on screen.
29:34 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm just being, you know, I'm referencing good fellow.
29:38 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
29:38 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Flying was the best you've seen in good fellows.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna spoil anything else.
29:43 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, right.
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like kind of fun.
29:44 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Don't do it.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_05]: It's only, it's only 50 year old movie, everybody.
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, at me.
29:49 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're feisty.
29:50 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We're pugnacious tonight.
29:52 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We're pugnacious tonight.
29:53 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the zoom effect.
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
29:56 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_05]: We're like stringering all of us from COVID.
29:58 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
29:59 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely right.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Richard I. O.
30:01 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Day is the voice of two boots.
30:04 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And if folks know the television show, the IT crowd, he was one of the main characters in that.
30:13 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was listening to his voice and I was like, hi, who is this?
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is this guy just looking it up now?
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's who he is.
30:19 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting that this police droid is, he looks like all the other police droids, but he is somehow different.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got some other programming.
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, Jean, he's not a control.
30:34 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I got, you know, what I got on vibe, what's that Danny Glover and that horrible man's movie?
30:44 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Because Danny Glover and somebody and Gibson.
30:46 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I refuse to think that, yes, him.
30:48 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_06]: What was the name of that movie?
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_06]: At least let them in with their movie.
30:53 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes.
30:53 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the vibe that I got.
30:55 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Awesome is the straight, straight, straight, straight.
30:59 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_06]: and two booths is like, yeah, you can be coyome, let's go.
31:04 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Realauting me is really pretty coyome because you can see that they should call in the entire, like by protocol.
31:11 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_06]: No, but no, but he was the one who was.
31:15 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_06]: He jumped into the into the ride and was like, you're going to go get them.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
31:20 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
31:21 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_06]: He was like making no choice.
31:23 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
31:23 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
31:23 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not trying to do anything.
31:25 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_06]: He went right into the chase.
31:27 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Whereas Northland was kind of a little bit more reserved about everything.
31:32 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's somewhere okay with collateral damage.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_05]: I think you're right, John.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
31:38 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_06]: So that's the vibe that I got from the two of them gone squealing together.
31:42 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_05]: This is why you listen to Mandone.
31:44 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't trust roads.
31:48 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of things that struck me to about loss and he was drinking coffee like oh that's a very cop things sort of to do right so I was I don't wonder if we're going to get a Kobayashi uh what was that usual suspects reference in here or not but you know he's drinking coffee everywhere he goes at which I thought was sort of funny and then he's got a shoulder holster for a pistol and like that's that code's very detective right so they're they're leading into
32:16 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I love it.
32:17 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I have a shoulder hole, so I need the weapon.
32:20 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
32:22 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So the one thing that I really loved about the introduction of Lawson in the introduction of the show is the scene where they get the hologram up from one of the droids and Lawson and Mall are face-to-face.
32:41 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's that great scene where he's just getting up close to him and we get him both on screen.
32:45 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, well, this is just good basic storytelling putting the police protagonist, you know, in view, you know, give him a view of the bad guy of his, his quarry of his pursuit.
32:59 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then put them in relationship to each other very early on in the story.
33:04 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: and start setting some stakes and start setting the tension between them that's going to build over time.
33:11 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's pretty standard police story stuff, but I was like, oh, I like it.
33:16 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They're paying attention to the floor, right?
33:18 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They're paying attention to the way that these stories work.
33:22 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Can I ask if you wondered why he didn't kill him?
33:27 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: in which, oh, you mean when in episode two.
33:31 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Just kidding.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not an out.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's never killing them.
33:36 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he killed pretty much everybody else, right?
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He has no suggestion.
33:42 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
33:43 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, okay, so I'm just making this up.
33:47 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they've been watching the cops watch the, them and the other bad guys,
33:53 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he sees them as useful tools.
33:58 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If he kills him now, if he kills the main captain, that is going to draw a lot of attention.
34:04 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they, well, OK, they've drawn enough attention as it is by busting into the police station.
34:08 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's, you know, forget about it, right?
34:12 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to, you're going to pull in a lot more resources and a lot more attention.
34:21 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: he sees him as some sort of useful tool or as a way to confound the plot and the situation with the other bad guys and creating opportunities like they created an opportunity to get away.
34:38 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They were being surrounded and he was like, well, your cop, I'm going to shoot this bridge out and you have to either choose between saving all those innocent civilians or capturing me.
34:50 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think he sees him as a useful, I don't want to say useful, idiot in that regard, but like as a potential useful tool to cause, you know, little disturbances in the plot.
35:06 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's interesting.
35:09 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_05]: You're right, the mall is keeping about as low a profile as a lifted pickup truck.
35:14 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_05]: But, yeah, I think Paul, I think Paul, you said, you said useful idiots, right?
35:22 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's right because that's how Mal sees everybody in the galaxy.
35:26 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
35:27 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a point.
35:28 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a massive ego and I don't think he thinks anyone is smarter than him.
35:35 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if he can see and he's, but he's not opposed or if he sees a value in you, he will keep you around.
35:43 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like he kept, uh, is it that was a lutee, vario, who did he keep vario or yeah, yeah, he kept vario.
35:50 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sorry around he's you know, we saw him try to approach so good recruit her and Clone Wars, we see him in rebels try to recruit Ezra like he is looking for tools everywhere, but again, I don't think he sees them as equals at any point.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he sees them as rise quality.
36:07 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_05]: It's right.
36:10 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about Devon Eizarra and Ikido Diodaki.
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Ikido Diodaki?
36:17 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I'll get that eventually by the end of the season.
36:21 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The voice of Ikido Diodaki is played by Dennis Hazbert.
36:27 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: which is interesting because he was also in heat.
36:30 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He was one of, he was the getaway driver that they recruited the last minute.
36:33 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, spoilers again.
36:35 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Darn it.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just gonna eat all kinds of hate mail.
36:38 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So be it.
36:39 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And Devon Izara is being voiced by Gideon Adlon.
36:48 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean, any initial thoughts on Izara and Iko Diodaki?
36:54 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Diodaki, man.
36:56 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_06]: This is part of the reason why I can't stand Jedi.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes.
37:02 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Please, sir, feed me more boot to look.
37:06 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_06]: You're missing part of the reason.
37:08 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I can't stand the Jedi.
37:10 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, just come on, bro.
37:15 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Come on.
37:15 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Do better.
37:16 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Do better for yourself.
37:19 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_06]: But for the person that you you.
37:21 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, ostensibly you say, and you're going to take care of, do better buy by them.
37:27 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't want to me.
37:28 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And just to watch him play the shadows, just urge me.
37:35 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Really piss me off.
37:36 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Just piss me off.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: John, were you as pissed off as Jean?
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no.
37:43 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I totally support people complying with the fascist state to get what they want.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_05]: That's always a good idea.
37:49 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and although I, is this a fascist state questionable because they're not quite under the empire, but there's certainly under the empire's mega-journ election, right?
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_05]: They have to call in the empire.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_05]: They see certain things.
38:01 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
38:02 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
38:02 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm trying to definitely always goes well to comply with the fascist state.
38:06 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
38:06 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they're trying to avoid the attention of the, of the empire.
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And right.
38:11 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, autonomy.
38:13 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and it's hard to say much about Devon Izara at this point, just that she is, you know, how far along is she in her force training?
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: How far along as a patawan is she?
38:30 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's with a master now, right?
38:31 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, she's out, she's done a youngling, but it doesn't seem like she uses a lot of her
38:43 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Joan, any thoughts on Isara?
38:48 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Not yet, I'm trying to figure it.
38:51 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Because the thing is, you know, I'm watching her, but I'm really watching deal docking.
39:00 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
39:03 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't have a sense for her yet.
39:07 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_06]: But it's done yet, yeah, I don't have a sense for them yet, separate.
39:11 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not really sure.
39:13 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you've got John, you've had some famous opinions about the recruitment of children into the Jedi.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, I forgot I had those opinions.
39:26 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Those are good opinions.
39:29 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, all these children don't you're breaking up again a little bit, John.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, everybody.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We got another little freeze.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You're breaking up.
39:41 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_05]: John.
39:43 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
39:43 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to try to say a couple of sentences to clearly this is not a young link.
39:48 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Who would have been spared from a lot of the horrors of the Clone Wars.
39:52 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_05]: This is a pattern on who was probably on the front lines with the spacer.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Especially a master was probably leading armies.
39:58 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, the Jedi were the Jedi roles.
40:01 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_05]: of these wars.
40:01 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And she was probably seeing everything.
40:05 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's very concerning that now, you know, she, she had to go through all this trauma and now she's forced to be a beggar.
40:13 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_05]: And I too would not really feel like that was just as if I were in her position.
40:22 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And she is, um,
40:26 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're wet, they're cold, they're tired, they're living in the margins in the shadows, living rough.
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And they have powers.
40:36 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And Eco-Diodaki is like, no, we can't.
40:41 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I get the idea that you don't want to attract attention to yourself.
40:46 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, what good are you doing or anybody else by being this hidden?
40:56 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I totally agree.
40:58 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_06]: What good are you doing?
41:00 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_06]: So far, for the universe that large, for the galaxy and large, what good are you at this point?
41:08 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_06]: As far as I can tell, no, zero, zilch, you bring enough into the table, but you're really troubling to watch them.
41:18 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't just lay back and see her get taken in,
41:23 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_06]: see give her a yeah basically yeah baby gave up you know see how they're living and then
41:31 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_06]: to be like, okay, yes, get arrested.
41:33 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Whatever.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
41:36 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
41:36 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_05]: I had mixed feelings before the arrest because, you know, on the one hand, yeah, I think that should be, you know, trying to find another Jedi figure out what's going on.
41:45 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_05]: There's, there's some of the most powerful people as far as, like, power levels in the universe.
41:50 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_05]: But they are also survivors of a genocide.
41:53 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
41:55 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_05]: And there's quite a lot of trauma.
41:57 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_05]: and I would understand wanting to lay low for a little while and figure out the new layout before wanting to take action.
42:03 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe he feels like, you know, being beggars on the street in one of the ways to become invisible.
42:10 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of people, you know, we know from the real world that people shy away from people who are asking for money on the street, right?
42:19 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of people don't want to make eye contact, a lot of people want to ignore them.
42:22 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And as much as it might, you know, for someone like Ezra who's still learning, it might feel really, you know, below her beneath her, I don't know if I totally disagree with Ziradaki's caution.
42:41 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Another thing is, when people see us invisible, they often say things
42:45 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_05]: you wouldn't hear otherwise because you're not a person to them and they'll have conversations about what's going on in the empire that you might not have found out about.
42:56 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I don't know, I had mixed feelings before the rest after the arrest, uh, he can get a grok's.
43:05 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about Mall Rookcast and the Shadow Collective, but we've got a lorebomb from Alicia.
43:16 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Whoa.
43:17 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a... We're running to the shoulder.
43:20 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's not short, and she's going to clue us in on some important facts.
43:26 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not listed all of this yet, so let's see how this goes, given our our weird recording circumstances.
43:33 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The topic of today's com-link message is death-demirians' abrocks, aka nightbrothers, aka those dudes who look like mall.
43:43 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean, of course, the ones in the helmets, who are, of course, Mandalorians.
43:48 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he talks about the death watch a bit in the preview episode, but they are the Mandalorian extremists who mall took over when he killed their leader during the Clone Wars.
43:59 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is just your case.
44:00 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The casual reminder that the dark saber is currently somewhere in malls possession, so it makes sense that there are Mandaloreans following malls, but it is interesting to note that malls number two for now at least, Rook cast.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: She takes her helmet off.
44:15 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: While the others seem to be leaving it on so far, this is clearly a period of transition for the death watch group.
44:23 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I talked about how Bokatan left when Mall took them over, so this is why Bokatan thought never taking your helmet off with some weirdo-neo conservative movement and kind of laughed it didn't jarring about it in the Mandalorian TV show, but we know by the time
44:43 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: By then, the death watch are never supposed to remove their helmets, so you can kind of think of them as like born again Mandalorians going back to some of the most strict as rules on record much stricter than prior generations, so it will be interesting to see where in that transition to that they are in this show now.
45:05 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Brooke Caso, she is more from Bocaton's generation, and by the way, she was last seen being arrested by the Jedi and Republic forces at the end of the Clone Wars as Mal abandoned them to try to escape himself.
45:21 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know why she's free, maybe she got free during the Chaos of Order 66, or maybe Mal return the favor for that time that she broke him out of jail before that, and if that's the case, that would explain why she's still loyal to him.
45:35 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's the Mandalorian's about the horny guys.
45:39 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Here is the canon lore, which has a couple more layers than the prior legends lore.
45:45 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So, bear with me, but I'm pulling on this lore's basically mostly laid out in the clone wars, also in books and comics about mall and ventrius and other deathmarians, and also of course canon lore and reference books.
46:03 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And what it comes down to is there are two types of Zobrox.
46:07 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when you hear Zobrox, you think the horns, mostly, will get back to that.
46:11 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Zobrox are originally from the plant Eredonia, which is also true in legends.
46:16 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But in Canon, lower some criminal exiles settled on death in there.
46:21 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're still waiting to learn more about the origins of the death-meery and night-sister, which is,
46:27 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen some connections drawn in, for example, the game Jedi Fallen Order, and especially Asoka season 1, which is set later in the timeline, these kind of teas us that may be the Knight Sisters, which is might even trace their roots in their magic to another galaxy.
46:47 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We're still waiting to learn more about that, but in any case, their interbreeding with the Zabrex is one of the two things that changed these Zabrex that's at a long-dathomere versus the Eridonian counterparts from their original planet.
47:02 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_00]: and the other thing that changed them is the planet of death mirror itself.
47:06 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So what this means, these two forces of change together, is death-merean Zabrax.
47:12 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They have slightly different colouring than the aerodonian counterparts, for example, they have darker, more brightly pigmented skin, typically in the deep reds and yellows, we see in the night brothers in this show.
47:26 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The black marks that they have are actually ceremonial tattoos,
47:31 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: they get when they reach a certain right of passage, they're sort of mystically applied, think for example, of Morgan Elzbeth getting her markings in season one of Asoka.
47:43 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, the death myrians, abrax, distinguished themselves from the Eridonian counterparts by having darker and more elaborate tattoos, much more dramatic, of course.
47:53 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But the biggest difference between the two planets is that female aerodonian sabracks they have horns as well, like the men, think about, for example, mother coral from the acolyte, but the night sisters of death may or do not.
48:08 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So it seems to be a stronger sexual dimorphism between the, you know, sabracks who have intermingled with the night sisters versus the original
48:21 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then death amirians are also separated by gender when they are young and they are raised and trained apart.
48:28 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely a matriarchal planet in a very harsh one where the night sisters rule with an iron fist.
48:36 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And most recently, Mall's own biological mother, Talzin, was the prime leader of the Mall.
48:43 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But both nightbrothers and night sisters go through tough and brutal training, nightbrothers are trained more on the physical side.
48:52 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They're a warrior society.
48:54 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They're taught to respect power and strength above all else.
48:57 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And they do have a higher than average tolerance for pain.
49:02 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But they also, they have honor.
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an important part of their culture.
49:05 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And they do have some
49:12 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, being raised on Dathamir and Intamaring with Knight Sisters has given some like mall more connection to especially the dark side of the force.
49:23 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But most don't wield light sabers, mall has, again, just, he's been trained as a Sith.
49:28 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a Sith anymore, but he's still a dark side user.
49:33 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, he's left the church, but he's actually still mostly
49:40 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: he seems to be always looking for a number two in acolyte.
49:44 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But he does not have the same magic that say ventrists or especially mother towels and do, because the nightbrothers were forbidden from learning magic with the K. But a lot of them at least picked up enhanced perception and reflexes from the Ikor of death amere.
50:04 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, why do we see nightbrothers survivors with mall when I said that there was a huge massacre in death mirror?
50:10 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's because the nightbrothers were never the focus of Ducu and companies attacks, so more of them survived, definitely many of them did fall in battle, but more of them did survive.
50:22 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... think anyone who's played fallen order you go to death mirror in that game and during that game you are mostly fighting living night brothers and zombie night sisters because they are the ones who were wiped out in those tax um... and that game is by the way set about four years after this show
50:41 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So we see mall with two night brothers now who are apparently literally each other's brothers and they are named Icarus and Scorn.
50:49 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Icarus is the one who masks his face which according to the Star Wars data bank I quote, conceals his unbridled glee while wielding a heavy rotator blaster cannon in battle.
51:00 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: In close combat he has also been known to use a machete rather expertly.
51:05 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: His brother, Scorn, who's the bigger orange one, likes throwing knives and blasters instead.
51:12 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So later, Mall calls himself the last survivor of his civilization, which isn't even true then, but it does likely mean that he loses all the death myrions he personally knows.
51:24 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't like the odds of ignorance and Scorn surviving this show.
51:28 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But I hope we see some cool stuff from them.
51:30 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_00]: before they go.
51:31 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's all for now.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't wait to hear your guy's thoughts.
51:34 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Until next week, Ventress watch continues.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
51:40 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that does it.
51:41 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the album next week.
51:44 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty comprehensive.
51:46 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell any reflections or any thoughts?
51:48 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, at least by the way, for sending that in.
51:51 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That was like really clear.
51:53 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I heard them talk about Zabrax and I don't know much about the death of Mary
52:00 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was awesome.
52:02 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_06]: As always, you know, more is such a, he's, he's not a complex guy, which is why I find him so fascinating because he does so many things.
52:20 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_06]: He's such a bad guy.
52:30 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_06]: a lineage where we had just talked about like he thinks he's better than everyone else.
52:35 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, his mom was the leader.
52:38 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
52:39 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
52:40 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Like he says somebody who has always felt privileged.
52:47 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_03]: He was chosen by
52:57 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_06]: is the son of the leader of his peoples and he's running around like a spoiled brat saying everybody look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me.
53:14 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So you're on record calling him a neppo baby.
53:16 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
53:18 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm in.
53:19 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I am absolutely.
53:22 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Mall is, you know, he,
53:24 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_06]: for all the the the bravado and all of the things that we at least that I associated with him listening to what Alicia just said and part and thinking about what I have seen from him he's he's just he's a brat who's always been chosen who's always had privilege right and now he has none and he wants his
53:54 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_05]: I like it.
53:56 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that combined with his, you know, as Alicia kind of alluded to, his sort of Sith Protestantism, the transformation of his, his standing right now in the universe, right?
54:08 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_05]: You, you're, you're, you're right, John here's a nipple baby who got this toy stake in a way.
54:13 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_05]: And he was, he's lashing out.
54:17 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_05]: He's lashing out.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he needed his toys away to lashing out.
54:20 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_05]: He did join the set for the first time in a civilization, but yeah, now he's continuing to lashing out.
54:27 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_05]: That's for sure.
54:28 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_05]: And I really like, I just want to say on Alicia's whole bit.
54:33 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it was really long, but it was, it was so thorough and varied that it didn't feel long.
54:39 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_05]: So thank you, Alicia.
54:40 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_05]: That was very well done.
54:41 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
54:41 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we should keep it simple tonight, given all that we have gone through just even to get here.
54:46 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we've covered most of the main characters, Jean using else, you want to wrap up with any other.
54:53 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one little point.
54:57 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
54:57 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_06]: One little point that I really liked about these first two episodes is how episode two was immediately following.
55:08 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_06]: up what happened at the end of episode one.
55:11 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I just love that continuity.
55:13 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I wish the episode was a little bit longer than the 23 24 minutes that we got it.
55:19 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_06]: It was short and really when it ended I was really short.
55:23 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
55:24 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_06]: But I just love that they, you know, picked it up right from where we had left off.
55:29 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I thought that was really cool.
55:31 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I like that.
55:33 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm wondering why they didn't just make it one episode.
55:38 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's it just felt like one episode.
55:40 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
55:41 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what this thing is with two episodes maybe it'll make sense in future episodes and they were like, I But don't want to change the length later on
55:47 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll make sense to, in terms of the demographic of who they're trying to catch with the show, maybe there's some formatting here.
55:55 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like you say, there's nothing.
56:00 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm saying, we, as adults, can choose to watch the back to back, but the Navy, if you're, you know, if you've got a family and your little timid needs to go to bedtime, yeah.
56:11 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it definitely we're here sitting talking about Zabrax and there's some eight-year-old going,
56:17 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_02]: right.
56:19 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's fine.
56:20 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, great.
56:21 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_05]: That that's Star Wars is for all.
56:23 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_05]: And exactly at the end of the day, it's more important that the eight-year-old, like, the sword fight than we understand the deep out of the fact.
56:32 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not for us.
56:33 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_05]: We're here as tourists.
56:35 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Fair.
56:37 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Andor is for us, though.
56:39 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what's interesting.
56:39 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about this series is that it's straddling this interesting line.
56:45 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really like that there
56:47 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_01]: take in the swing, I really like that they matured with their, with the artwork.
56:53 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess even they are doing, there's a bunch of practical effects, like taking brush strokes and putting them on glass and then shooting the glass or the innovation, so we get texturing and things like that.
57:04 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's really good.
57:05 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The, some of the fight scenes were fantastic.
57:08 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I clipped a image and put it in the discord,
57:12 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_01]: of one of the night brothers with the Gatling gun and his face lit up by the laser bolts and sort of a lead on his face as he's firing down the the corridor at the police just absolutely stunning visuals and the you know fun stuff like we're the the back of the
57:33 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: their their vehicle drops open and they're like, hey, got a rock around your ha-ha, you know, boom.
57:39 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And so just a lot of a fun little setups like that.
57:42 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really looking forward to seeing where we go with the rest of the series.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: John, any bowl we go?
57:48 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Can I have some more questions, guys?
57:50 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_06]: That was one question.
57:52 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Did we retire the lightsaber and the hallwake scenes?
57:56 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because that was no part.
57:58 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely not.
58:00 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you like it?
58:01 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was cool.
58:03 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no problem with it.
58:05 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that you mentioned it, it says, they did use a little bit, right?
58:09 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we got two or three of them, but they're putting mall next to Vader because that's how we had that scene in at the end of Rogue One where Vader shows up on the wall, and just hammers, just wrecked shop.
58:25 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you have an opinion?
58:27 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_05]: You got to play the hits.
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_05]: You got to play the hits.
58:29 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_05]: If you want people to keep coming to your shows.
58:32 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not mad at it.
58:33 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not mad at it.
58:34 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not mad at it.
58:34 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Not at all.
58:35 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think they should moderate it a little bit.
58:38 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
58:39 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's fine to overdo it a little bit in the first episode or two, but as long as they don't keep doing it every single episode, you just want to get people hooked on the whole like, right, especially I mean, his first just like,
58:51 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_05]: come out there, skulking and laid up his sapper, his dual wheel sapper, not dual wheel.
58:57 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean, two-sided sapper.
58:59 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, badass, right?
59:02 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Like just I know I'm complaining about the lack of story, but he's he's or a farming as the kids say.
59:11 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's part of why we're here.
59:16 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We're here to see the dual sapper.
59:18 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We're here to see the pretty lights and go, ooh, and just watch somebody a Dark Force user wreck shop like Vader did, right?
59:29 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the height of their powers kind of thing, that is a fun action to watch.
59:35 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So,
59:38 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
59:39 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we should wrap it up here, John, anything else.
59:43 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, we can think our community for all of their support.
59:50 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a couple quick programming notes.
59:52 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We're still covering the pit, where we've got two episodes left on that.
59:57 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Alicia and I just recorded an episode for the Riz Ahmed upcoming movie April 10th.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna drop this week, Hamlet.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an adaptation of Hamlet.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's excellent.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: John, I really are a John.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I really want you to see it.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you would really enjoy it.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'm not going to let him see Hamlet.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, John.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_05]: Not called turning up to see him.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's fine.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not for you.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_01]: This is specifically reserved, not for you.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got some one piece coverage, John.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on up.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we had to push it to Thursday.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_05]: But we are going to be recording for the rest of- We're just doing one episode for the rest of the season, because I didn't realize that it was only two arcs for the rest of the five episodes that we've had left.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we're just going to cover it in one shot.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be good.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be a lot of fun.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe Luke and Alicia are doing some Daredevil.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_06]: We're doing the first three Daredevil's season two on Thursday.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_06]: So you shouldn't get in that shortly.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it also taking a dark turn?
01:01:05 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Disney's getting real dark.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_01]: These last couple of shows.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's very devil.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it more or less than the first version of Daredevil that would not not last season's Daredevil by series before?
01:01:23 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_06]: In a certain sense, this in the song was a hard that we're doing right now, picture Kylo Ren firing at Luke, he's saying more.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_05]: It'd be daddy.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_05]: That's where we're going.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh gosh, well, I'll have you know that I dared to devil some eggs this weekend.
01:01:44 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, how worthy.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_05]: They were delightful.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, though, I have to, I have to say something.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_05]: My wife convinced me to try putting a pickle juice instead of lemon juice in them, it was different.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_05]: They were still really good, but I'm going back to the lemon juice after us.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, fair enough.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_05]: You need an acid to cut the mayo, you know?
01:02:06 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: come for the mall stay for the devil digs.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_05]: You're writing with your devil digs recipes.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to hear him.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We will be back next week.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a bit of a rotating chair.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: John, it's going to be you and I and we'll see if John or anyone else who else do we have.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a Richard from Radioactive Rambler.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_05]: It was some Radioactive Richard.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Radioactive.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he was interested.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Marilyn might be interested.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_05]: We got, I think we got a few takers.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we'll rotate it around a little bit speaking of radioactive ramblers.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They are covering invincible and they're about to pick up coverage of the boys.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's exciting.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Nevermind, the music just dropped a really great episode.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Fleetwood Mac and grieving.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And Anthony and Steve just covered a late night with the Devil, which is a sort of Johnny Carson meets the Devil movie.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And next week, they're covering clue.
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01:03:02 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: John, you wanna give a hauler to our Discord server boosters.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, if I can get it pulled up.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I absolutely do that.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't we switch?
01:03:12 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_05]: You do the Laura Masters.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
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01:03:58 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_05]: I. E. B. left.
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01:04:17 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_05]: The T. C. S. Doe Dominion.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_05]: catch it.
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01:04:33 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's going to everybody.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and thanks for hanging with us on this wacky recording.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry if we were a little pugnacious, but I'm not sorry.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you should never be sorry.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Never.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_05]: You know,
01:04:46 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_05]: That's your job.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for making it work for us tonight.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys for having me and again.
01:04:56 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is fun.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll catch you next week.
01:04:59 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.
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