David and Ron dive deep into the emotional complexity of The Bear's fourth season, exploring how the show breaks television conventions while delivering its most nuanced portrayal of trauma and healing yet. The discussion covers Carmi's difficult decision to step away from the restaurant, the show's masterful use of magical realism, and how recovery frameworks subtly shape character development without ever being explicitly named. From Uncle Lee's pattern-breaking advice to Sydney's pivotal choice between opportunities, the season builds toward a theatrical finale that redefines what resolution looks like in modern television.
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00:01 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You got a rinsed for Salmanella.
00:05 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_03]: You rinsed for Salmanella over the place.
00:09 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Ron, do you wash your chickens before cooking them?
00:22 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I buy my chickens pretty washed.
00:24 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually buy my chickens pretty cooked.
00:26 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually trying to eat chicken then off and try to reduce them out of meat and non seafood meat that I eat.
00:34 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So, when I am eating chicken is usually like an chicken sandwich or a chicken salad salad.
00:42 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I've been trying to get some more protein to my diet, so I've been doing this thing where I get a bunch of chicken breasts and bake them and then freeze them or keep it out for refrigerator.
00:53 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And I had this whole methodology of washing and drying them and oil and salt and pepper all this stuff.
01:00 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And then I watched this episode and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm putting a lot of work into a salmonella protection and and then you said, you're just getting salmonella everywhere.
01:10 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, maybe I should just stop it because it's going to bake off anyway.
01:14 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Everything's going to bake off anyways.
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.
01:17 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's that's a solution that it just bakes off.
01:19 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what I'm taking away for.
01:22 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my takeaway.
01:24 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you getting our health tips from from the bear from a television show?
01:30 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, maybe it's not a bad source given who else is in charge of health related decisions in this country in the moment, but anyway, we're not here for that.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:42 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Have you another question for you?
01:43 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever eaten Tanato?
01:46 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_06]: the white sauce then?
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_06]: No, what is that?
01:50 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_06]: It's the sauce that she says Donna says to him when she's doing really relating that conversation about her trip to Italy.
01:58 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's a white sauce that looks disgusting or whatever.
02:01 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And I never heard of it either.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And apparently it's anchovies and tuna and something else.
02:07 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And I googled it real quick.
02:10 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, it looks just kind of like this.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_06]: White dogs vomit sauce.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it sounds gross.
02:16 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:17 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_06]: That sounds absolutely gross.
02:18 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_06]: No, thank you.
02:19 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Like delicious.
02:20 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_06]: My other question for you is have you ever eaten at a Michelin star restaurant or a Michelin star styled restaurant?
02:32 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I came close to almost not to almost been at really almost so
02:40 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: When the more infamous stories, a long time ago, this woman I was dating was a foodie and we lived in the Bay Area and I was going to surprise her and take her to the French laundry.
02:55 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
03:22 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And they're like, Ron, you were laughing so hard.
03:25 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_06]: You hate your desk and it interrupted me.
03:28 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And it broke the recording connection.
03:31 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So I watched my hands.
03:33 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So we roll up.
03:35 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So I walk into Prince Laundry and like table for two, please.
03:41 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mader D's like, and you went through a name and do your reservation.
03:45 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I saw open table.
03:47 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, can we just go here?
03:48 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my girlfriend, obviously, who she understands the French laundry.
03:53 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, you brought me to the French laundry and you didn't make your reservation.
03:59 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mader D, you know, to her credit, she's very nice about it.
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, well,
04:05 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Most people book a year in advance.
04:07 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like a year, a year in a week.
04:10 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never corrected to bear us as hell already.
04:14 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, who the fuck books a restaurant a year in advance?
04:18 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's people sitting over here.
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's what it is.
04:24 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is there an Apple beast here by anyway?
04:26 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my, that's the closest everyone gun to you.
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Did that cause the breakup?
04:33 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
04:34 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.
04:34 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Many of these codes pretty good.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
04:38 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so now that's how about you?
04:42 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_06]: We ate at a restaurant in Seattle, not long ago.
04:47 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Actually, last year, it was our tenth wedding anniversary.
04:49 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And we went to a restaurant near to where we got married and then a place that we had dinner with friends like a night or two after our wedding.
04:56 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Who couldn't come to the wedding, but they came in and took us out to dinner.
05:01 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And it has since changed hands.
05:04 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_06]: So the place wasn't what we remembered.
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And then it was part of this restaurant group.
05:10 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_06]: They have a named chef in Seattle.
05:12 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And the group has like three or four restaurants around town and stuff.
05:16 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, we ate food that I never thought was possible.
05:22 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_06]: That you could eat.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_06]: There were some stuff.
05:25 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_06]: It was just like, wow, this is incredible.
05:27 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_06]: And
05:30 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_06]: It's, there was that inherent tension of, this is elevated food.
05:35 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I wasn't a prepared for elevated food, because we thought we were going to a homey comfort place that we had been to break.
05:42 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_06]: There was elevated, but still kind of tub-like food, but still very, very simple and familiar.
05:49 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And so there was that challenge.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the other challenge of just like,
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_06]: What do I do with this?
05:58 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not in this world, so I'm not prepared for processing this and we came for comfort and we didn't, you know, not for food exploration.
06:08 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'm going to go to the met and see this new artist and their new installation or
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_06]: something like that.
06:14 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I think there's some preparation involved if you're not of that world in constantly eating in that way.
06:21 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_06]: So.
06:21 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:23 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's a famous restaurant in Berkeley College, shape and ease.
06:28 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've eaten there.
06:30 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that a Michelin stir restaurant?
06:32 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure it's up there.
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_06]: It's in that world.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
06:35 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
06:36 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I ate the long time ago back when I was in college.
06:39 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay.
06:40 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was a mission story back then, so that counts, and that's probably, that's probably my, that propaganda.
06:47 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_06]: So Ron, we're actually here to talk about season four of, oh, yeah, let's take a bit through here.
06:53 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was trying to do prep for the season for us, so we could go in and talk cogently about the episode or the season and the episode acting and all this stuff.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_06]: And then this season,
07:09 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_06]: has such a level of depth and episode to episode and season to season construction and interstitial stuff that I can't without having done a full episode to episode seen to scene breakdown.
07:31 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm having trouble getting my hands around it and getting my head around it.
07:36 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_06]: And before we recorded this last week I watched, I went back and I watched season one episode one, and then season four episodes one and two, and then nine and ten, just to kind of back in the world.
07:48 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Because my wife and I were watching it on and off when we were on vacation earlier this summer.
07:51 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
07:52 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And all that kind of stuff.
07:53 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how you're relating to this season, but I thought well, maybe maybe what it will work is we'll just, we have a hot pot of ideas and thoughts and concepts,
08:07 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And rather than being a definitive season for recap, and this is the lorehounds, you know, official mobile ball.
08:14 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's just talk.
08:15 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
08:16 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And just like talk about the season and talk about our feelings and our thoughts, because I don't know about you, man, but this show was on another level for me this year.
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it works for the watch.
08:29 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If it works for the watch podcast, it can work for us because we're just talking about the season.
08:36 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So where did you put this season?
08:39 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you were ranking the seasons, we wish you put this season free.
08:41 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is my favorite season.
08:43 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You think it's, you think this is better than season one?
08:48 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
08:50 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Why?
08:50 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Because it's a bold statement there.
08:55 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I think the,
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of reasons.
08:58 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And obviously, I'm not prepared for your question as much, so I'm kind of thinking off the top of my head here.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And so some things have been mentioned.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
09:08 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_06]: The actors are very finely tuned to their characters and so their portrayals and knowing who the character is.
09:19 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think this is really important in the season is that all of these characters have been on a tremendous arc.
09:28 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_06]: And we're getting resolution to stuff that happened in one, two and three.
09:33 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And to be able to pull off the subtlety and the sense of process, the technical skill of the portrayal of showing this person who has been going through all of this trauma.
09:54 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_06]: and re aggravating that trauma on a daily basis to starting to find resolution and starting to find.
10:02 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_06]: the grace to be able to allow to hear other people who are hurting as badly as they are and to be able to start to come to some accords and some healing, that is a next level skill on this acting, you know, intelligent acting for me.
10:25 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_06]: And we've got things like, we've got this great pantheon of characters and they're all clicking seamlessly
10:32 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And then this show, the way that it uses music and the way that the music is integrated for me this season.
10:46 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_06]: is otherworldly.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I'm really transported.
10:50 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I hear if old familiar song, Led Zeppelin episode one of Season Four.
10:56 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the way.
10:57 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the way it ought to be.
11:00 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm instantly in that scene.
11:03 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm aware of the song.
11:06 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm groving with the song, but I've also with Carmen and Mikey.
11:12 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And I can smell the tomato sauce.
11:13 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And I can hear it sticking and all of that.
11:16 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And so for me, on all these different levels, and then the editing, and we can talk about all of this stuff.
11:24 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_06]: But all to me, the show is really coming together in a way that I don't think I could have predicted or.
11:32 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's breaking all these rules of standard television.
11:35 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_06]: This is not the pit.
11:36 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_06]: This is not slow horses.
11:37 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not a indoor, which is which also breaking ground this year.
11:42 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
11:45 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_06]: But it's the arc of the characters and the arc of the story.
11:52 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_06]: The episode links were all over the place because they were doing what they needed to do to tell the story that they wanted to tell for that episode.
12:00 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_06]: So all of these factors combined to me, it's like tenato.
12:03 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_06]: It kind of looks like a mess on paper, but then when you start, you're just like, oh my God.
12:08 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I've never eaten out of.
12:08 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So I wouldn't know that, but I'm going off of D.D.s description of it.
12:12 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
12:13 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
12:13 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Did that answer your question?
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's a little bit.
12:16 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's good.
12:18 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I think it's interesting in the music.
12:21 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, I'll just say, you think for me,
12:26 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: seasons one and two are kind of hard to beat sure this would fall into like their place for me okay and it's interesting you mention music is because I you know my current girlfriend and I we we watched seasons one and then we were like halfway through season two and it was just I remember just recently you we were watching them yeah just this week and last week okay we had like a
12:51 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: five year anniversary, a couple of weeks ago, we went to Disneyland for a couple of days.
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And fun, and congratulations.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I cut our motel slash hotel.
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It was advertised as a hotel, but it was pretty much a motel.
13:03 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
13:05 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a source, we still have a source spot about that.
13:07 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we, you didn't put a group in advance, my friend.
13:12 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, right.
13:15 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And we started watching it.
13:19 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But this week, I remember watching the episode, I think it was season, I'm thinking it was episode two or two.
13:27 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So season two episode two, we're three.
13:30 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the one where Sid is going around Chicago and she's experimenting.
13:36 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good episode.
13:37 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And the needle drop, I think the song is called Future Perfect.
13:41 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember the first time hearing it, it was just such an evocative song I never heard of before.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that
13:49 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Editing had gone with the music.
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They were all these vistas shots of Chicago.
13:53 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They had these quick edits of the food that she was tasting and it was sort of like this really beautiful montage of her journey.
14:03 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And we couldn't tell, was this all happening on the same day because her outfit was in changing.
14:08 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: If it is, she's eating a lot of food.
14:12 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: This is going she's visiting his restaurant and she's talking to people and it's like there's a lot happening on this day if this is all happening on the same day all that to say is I kind of felt like
14:26 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And the first two seasons, the use of music, because so much the music, at least for me, it was music I hadn't heard, it really gave it that sort of indie film, yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:41 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I really enjoyed about the first two seasons, and I agree with you, I think the use of music in this season is equally strong, but like, but they were more recognizable songs, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that.
14:55 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But only if you use them in the right way though, right?
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_06]: You can absolutely.
15:00 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
15:01 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I think back to the tune for Dune.
15:03 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I guess it was the first Dune movie.
15:07 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, God.
15:07 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_06]: What was that?
15:07 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_06]: It was the first one of the trailer.
15:09 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Do movie.
15:09 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
15:10 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
15:10 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I feel new and for you.
15:12 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_06]: We're talking about first.
15:13 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:14 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
15:15 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Because God bless David Lynch.
15:18 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_06]: But I was happy to be moving.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I love it so.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a hot mess, but God, I love it.
15:25 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, the first tune will move to do movie.
15:28 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I think they used a pink Floyd song in the trailer, and it was like, oh, yeah, that's a great hook.
15:33 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And there's no way to move.
15:34 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
15:36 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, you're like, and so when when I heard popular music in the season, every single time they used a pop a known song,
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_06]: It worked.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
15:49 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Like they actually thought about why this song is here and what the, and I have a, I have a suspicion that if you go through season four and every single song that's at the end of the episode, that bridges us out from from whatever is going on on screen into into our credits or, you know, cut to dark and then go credits.
16:12 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_06]: That that song has a
16:16 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_06]: specific point of it being there.
16:19 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:19 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_06]: So so that makes me think because there's a couple of songs.
16:22 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, Oh, we, yeah, there's things up in here and I haven't done an actual analysis of it yet, but that makes me think that every song in this season, the care and the craft that they're building this.
16:35 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_06]: that they built a season for, I think, there's nothing is misplaced in this.
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
16:41 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I agree with that.
16:42 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I just re-watched the finale last night and I specifically wanted to sit through in here.
16:52 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really digging on the song.
16:54 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was the song I don't remember everything.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I was at Florida that song again.
16:59 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And so yeah, yeah, I think you're using some this fast slow disco by St.
17:03 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Vincent.
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've added that to my favorites list now.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's good.
17:08 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's really good.
17:09 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did they I mean, I think
17:15 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if I can use the analogy, I think it's anthropology, the show creators really know how to cook.
17:23 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They know how to use the ingredients of music and editing and cinematography and acting to put together meals.
17:31 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of feel like this season is one of those, these for me, one of the seasons where
17:38 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: like depending on when the food critic comes you're gonna get like an amazing review and maybe even that Michelin star or like maybe just an okay review because like I feel like there were couple episodes.
17:50 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like there was a bad episode, at least for me necessarily in the bunch.
17:54 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like there was just some that just really stood out.
17:58 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: more than others.
18:00 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And we could probably get to a couple of them.
18:02 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And without we don't need to go into detail with each one, but in terms of why they really stood out.
18:08 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like, you know, one that comes to mind for me is the worms episode, which I think it's episode four.
18:14 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the one where Sid goes to her hair done.
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_00]: She's out of TJ.
18:19 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It was written by the actor who plays Sid.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I owe a debris.
18:28 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_06]: I owe a debris and and and the duty please Marcus is it Nick something boys Lionel boys Lionel boys yeah, we just said we have like five screens up with all these like breakdowns of so yeah, yeah, well, you know, thanks to the the great AI and the sky for helping me speak work on that so anyway
18:53 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's a good example of like where it was where they were really cooking because, you know, it was kind of, I wouldn't call it necessarily, it wasn't a bottle episode, but it wasn't.
19:03 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So where, she was detached from the normal, not once in a row, the regular story liked, you know, even, um, and so much that the other characters were involved.
19:18 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: that's when the Daniel did a while as a cousin, like even in the scene where it's like these little subtle things.
19:26 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's talking to Sydney and see, and one thing I picked up on, when she's talking to Sydney, she's talking how she would normally talk.
19:34 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when she picks up the phone, she like instantly goes switches.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:38 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like the subtle thing where
19:42 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You get a really feel for the taste of who this character is, how she operates in the world, how she operates with her cousin, Sydney.
19:53 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when Sydney was telling the story of a little effect when she's telling the story to Little TJ about the two houses she might want to spend the night at, and it's obviously supposed to be a metaphor.
20:07 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a metaphor for it, the two jobs she's trying to say.
20:09 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
20:10 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end of the episode,
20:12 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ's like, I think you should work wherever you want to work.
20:14 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You're really good cook.
20:16 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she knew all along with you.
20:17 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: She was talking about, she was being slide, right?
20:22 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it again, it's these little things that really stand out.
20:27 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was like a Senate episode, you know, for me, aside from the big one, you know, the wedding episode and the finale, is there an episode for you that particularly stood out?
20:41 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think before I do that, I think my episode is going to be episode nine for a couple of reasons, but I want to go.
20:51 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Is that the one with Donna?
20:52 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, don't know, but it's also, there's a couple of key conversations because there's that one.
20:59 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_06]: But Sydney and Cicero have a conversation as well that I found particularly moving.
21:10 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_06]: And so anyway, but before we get into that really quick, this topic of bottle episodes, really quick, there's a good way inside ways.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't have bought this.
21:21 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_06]: The, I think we should start to shift the definition of knowing, you know, not just as, as I'll let it culturally drift, but I think we should just intentionally drift it.
21:31 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_06]: A bottle episode is a standalone episode that breaks out a character or a plotline separate from the rest of the episodes.
21:37 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that, you know, season.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's how we're using it now a lot of times we want to call it that.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
21:43 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And what do they call that when the path.
21:47 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, when when architects, you know, through a park, they make these like winding paths and then you see the brown grass where everybody's just walking.
21:54 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, it's called that has a name where people are like, yeah, yeah, there's a whole psychology behind it and it's like a I forget what it's called anyway people just are going that way and we just keep going that way with bottle episodes So I think we should just intentionally say that bottle episodes are now these breakout little sub stories or character moments because bottle episode in the old sense of cereal you know in in
22:19 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_06]: in previous TV, twenty-six seasons, live audiences, bottle episodes were, you know, you were reusing cast and story and, and sets in a particular way.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_06]: So that's my opinion about that.
22:30 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I can.
22:31 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
22:32 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, yeah, I think, I think, um, and we have to talk about Shapiro too in a little bit, relative to Sydney, but, but Sanato,
22:44 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I think that's a pure entrepreneur.
22:49 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, do you think he's fake in it?
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he really has the money?
22:54 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he has the money, who I've thought interesting, because he, like the way he's trying, like, the episode where she comes over, I think this was the, the hair episode to the episode before after, where he invited her over to the restaurant, and he's like playing like this hip-hop music.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like,
23:18 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what he's normally playing.
23:20 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just assuming, and then he asks her, he gives her like the remote, and she can pick whatever she wants.
23:26 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she picks Flora Lisa, think by Beethoven.
23:30 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
23:31 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, man, Mozart, and she's like Beethoven.
23:36 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, one, one, I just think it's, it was so funny that like, here's his dude, he's trying to be cool as kind of a hip.
23:45 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He's inviting this black woman over to a big way, assuming that she's gonna like hip hop and she prefers Beethoven.
23:52 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't even know his Beethoven, I think it's supposed to, which could be like, maybe he really isn't.
23:56 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The hip hop and he doesn't know classical.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right.
24:00 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But then even later in the episode, he says something about, yeah, we can have like,
24:04 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: like Afro-futuristic.
24:06 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He talks about some type of Afro-futuristic type of food or something.
24:10 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, what is it?
24:14 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It felt very microaggressiony in a sense.
24:18 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of what he was trying to do and how he was trying to like, win or over.
24:25 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's interesting.
24:28 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
24:29 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you go ahead.
24:30 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just saying, I think it's interesting that he uses his real name in the show because I was like, that was, that's his, like, this is really interesting.
24:37 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a real chef.
24:38 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:38 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a real chef.
24:40 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So, like, is he real?
24:40 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But back to your question, I do think he has too many because, okay, was he the top chef at ever, or was he the chef?
24:49 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:49 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_06]: He was with a little bit at Olivia Coleman's restaurant, whatever that was.
24:52 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right.
24:52 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_06]: So he was probably like the sous chef for something.
24:54 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
24:55 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:55 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a big name chef.
24:57 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:59 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, and so, uh, yeah, I didn't see anything.
25:04 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I, maybe there's something in this, but I didn't see anything that suggests to me like he didn't have the ability to actually do it.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I had this magnetic opening.
25:12 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
25:13 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
25:13 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_06]: I have this, uh, I just have this like sinking feeling that like his restaurant is going to fall through and, and, you know, maybe that's just, I'm, I'm,
25:23 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, interpreting the show, or I'm predicting the show on, uh, on, uh, this is what we do with television, right?
25:31 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_06]: We're like, oh, like, what's the pattern?
25:32 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And we've seen this before.
25:34 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And, and so maybe I'm just trying to over predict the show, but I'm like suspicious of him for that.
25:41 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_06]: But that said, I think he's totally fetishizing her and sort of kind of tokenizing her and trying to use her.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think he really gives,
25:51 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think he ever really is going to would have ever given her the full creativity, the freedom, the creative freedom, the creative freedom that he was selling her on.
26:01 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he would have boxed her in and then he would have used, he would have used her as some of his fuel to fuel his, his thing, not a true collaboration.
26:14 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't think it would have worked out for her in the long run.
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I think she would have been less satisfied.
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she would have been that satisfied as well.
26:23 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm ready to survive would say that he is fetishizing her or he had fetishizing her or using her.
26:34 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think to some extent he obviously he wants, he knows that she's a talented chef.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe
26:43 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: he knows because we learned in season and we learned in less episode that he's been talking to Carham that yeah right he's been so I think that actually kind of reveals a positive aspect of his character like he wasn't going to do that behind Carham's back he's like hey Carham just letting you know I'm been talking to like sit and that's good for like I think so there's that there's that aspect of it and I think
27:13 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's talking to Karm, he knows from Karm, how good Sineas, either directly or indirectly, you know, because of maybe how Karmus talked about Sineas, and he knows the quality that Karmin requires, and then based on, I'm sure, conversations they've had in the past about how good Sineas, and so I think
27:38 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Adam wants his restaurant to pop and having a chef who's not just talented chef, but we know from season one, she's smart about business and kitchen maintenance and management.
27:54 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And so she has a good head on her shoulders with regards to how to run a kitchen.
27:59 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I think
28:04 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we haven't talent like that.
28:05 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You really want them because you want your restaurant to be the best.
28:09 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it shows established that she's one of the best chefs in Chicago.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So why do you want it?
28:17 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you like the little fake out of the best new chef or food and wine with Marcus instead of Sid?
28:25 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because they really set you up to think it's going to be totally.
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:30 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And even Carmy looks at her like, hey, you know, you got this girl and then boom, the reveal.
28:36 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But what?
28:36 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it was interesting in rewatching season one.
28:40 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:41 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:41 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Love these little callback.
28:43 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was having a conversation with Marcus and he's talking about when food and wine named him.
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.
28:51 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Chef.
28:51 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so having just recently seen this episode, obviously I didn't remember it from first sight, but now when I re-watch season one, I see this conversation between Carmen Marcus and then, and then, um,
29:04 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Marcus, I mean, Karim is selling Marcus about when food mine had named Karim Bess New Chef.
29:12 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The way it came full circle that was pretty cool.
29:15 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I think, and we're saying this to at the top of the episode that this is the difficulty that I have in, normally,
29:25 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_06]: for a season wrap.
29:27 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_06]: We've usually or a one shot.
29:29 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_06]: We break it down.
29:30 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_06]: We have a skeleton and sort of an organized structure to attach to things.
29:36 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And to me, this season is so filled with these interstitial moments that jump from episode to episode to season to season.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
29:47 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_06]: But it's like so hard to understand where all these things come from.
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_06]: And when I think about the
29:55 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_06]: The dream sequence that Carmy has in season one episode one, which I did rewatch just this week.
30:02 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And then we have a dream sequence, this episode, and they're both related to the formulation of the bear and it's sort of emotional origin points.
30:14 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, the clock, there's all these things that you can.
30:17 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_06]: We're quick.
30:18 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:19 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: With dream episodes, because there's like two dreams currently happening.
30:21 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a dream of the bear.
30:23 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's that James sequence where he's like, and a television cooking show.
30:28 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's nightmare.
30:30 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Which one of the dream secrets?
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking of more specifically of the bear.
30:34 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, engaging the bear on the bridge.
30:36 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's very beginning.
30:38 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
30:38 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
30:39 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
30:39 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's just so hard to
30:44 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Follow all these little ryzzamatic connections across all the different episodes.
30:49 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_06]: They're just so connected and bounce off each other and fold and wrap.
30:54 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_06]: It just creates this incredible richness.
30:57 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_06]: And so when you do strike on those moments,
31:01 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_06]: They're really special and add a level of vibe, emotional vibe, as well as sort of intellectual, like, oh, wow, yeah, I remember that, or that makes me, you know, oh, yeah, I've just drawn the parallels between this, that and the other thing, and it makes you feel good as a viewer.
31:22 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, look at me like I'm smart.
31:24 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's interesting you bring up the dream because when karma says to sit in the, and the finale, you are the bear.
31:32 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's talking about the dream.
31:36 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we see.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_06]: We're doing it right now.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_00]: This is very bad.
31:40 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly the thing.
31:42 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, when you first see the game, you think the bear is him.
31:49 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe at that point, it really was.
31:51 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe as he evolved.
31:54 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you were, if you were to assume that, you know, Chris first door had, you know, the creator of the show, he always had a mind that comes to this point.
32:03 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And he always had a mind that the bear was sitting in, or that the bear was
32:09 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think the first time we see him have the dream, he hasn't even met Sini yet.
32:13 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So at the time, but it could represent somebody outside of him who's either better or who's going to take his spot, whatever that means, right?
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Or some challenge he has to face.
32:29 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he has no exactly yet what that challenge is.
32:32 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the challenge is
32:35 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: giving up restaurant, giving up cooking, and giving, in this case, giving you up to Sid, so it represents the bear.
32:46 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_06]: You just said, like, in that last two, three sentences, you said about five different things.
32:52 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Trying to keep track of, but I want to go back to the bear thing first.
32:57 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And one of these days, we're going to get to my favorite episode, but I think my favorite episode can actually my favorite episode actually contains a lot of this stuff.
33:06 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_06]: There's an element of magical realism.
33:08 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_06]: There's this underlying all along.
33:12 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_06]: It's the sandwich guys.
33:13 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_06]: And finally, the computer and Rob Reiner's character get together.
33:18 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And there's all this stuff about recovery and trauma.
33:23 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Editing is a big part of, so for me, C's episode nine has almost everything from the season in this perfect sort of episode, but I want to go back really quickly to this idea of the dream and sometimes how our dreams seem prescient, but like, how do we know that or why?
33:43 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, what vibrations are going on in the universe that might allow me to pick up on something or what not?
33:49 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_06]: And to me in the show,
33:52 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_06]: There is a definite
33:54 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_06]: element of magical realism that exists in this really weird way.
34:00 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Just again, using the food metaphor is all the time, but there's just a hint of it that if it was too much, it would change the show radically.
34:08 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And if it's not there, then it doesn't actually give the show that extra special thing.
34:12 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm thinking of the, uh, at the wedding, they all get underneath the table.
34:16 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_06]: That's just physiologically and physically.
34:19 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I know.
34:20 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to figure out, are they?
34:22 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are they exactly?
34:24 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a table?
34:25 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And it seemed like it was getting big here.
34:29 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It was.
34:29 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It was.
34:30 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:30 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's what I mean.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the cat hat.
34:34 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:42 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, so that's one of these elements that I'm thinking of with the magical realism.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Another one is Carmy finding the green sweater.
34:50 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_06]: finding Claire Bear's screen sweater in his closet when he's over big his mom.
34:57 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And there's a couple more and I wish I might there's buried in my notes somewhere else, but there's there's this definite use of real adjunct parallel magical realism things that I think just makes the show.
35:15 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_06]: that much more special, but never then actually crossing the line over too far.
35:21 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And then we all just go, okay, well, this is magical realism done, right, and now it's completely different.
35:27 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Because for me, this show is very, very real, and it's very grounded in very real human, the human condition and things.
35:37 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: What about this sweater made you feel like he was magic realism?
35:41 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_06]: How she left that, you know, because right, they have the conversation at the wedding and she says, oh, you know, if you go over to your moms, I left a screen sweater over there one time.
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, bring it back to me.
35:52 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_06]: She's like, and as this kind of, like, heroes quest thing.
35:56 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, if you really love me, you'll come up with this letter.
35:58 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Note that she would really do that, but it was kind of one of those playful things that couples might do, right?
36:04 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, show me you love me, right?
36:06 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I want to see, I want to see you experiencing the love that we're feeling here by doing this thing or retrieving this thing for me.
36:15 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And so,
36:16 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_06]: He finds the sweater.
36:19 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And that is so unlikely that the sweater from twenty plus years ago, that he would just walk into a closet, just see it and take it down off the shelf.
36:29 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_06]: It's super highly improbable, but it is one of those beautiful little moments that do happen in life where there's just some weird coincidence.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_06]: There's no way to explain it.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And yet it connects to something that makes you feel
36:45 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_06]: both small and big at the same time.
36:48 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
36:48 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
36:49 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
36:50 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_06]: No, I can't say that.
36:51 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
36:51 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And so for him to find that sweater, just in knowing that they've already sort of reestablished their connection in the during the wedding episode.
37:02 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_06]: But now like
37:05 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, when life, I don't know if you've experienced this, sometimes when you're on the quote unquote right path for yourself and in that moment, in that stage of your life, things just seem to be clicking and stuff just seems to be coming to you and unexpected, but positive in ways that take you forward positively.
37:24 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And to me, that's, again, one of those elements of armies on the right path, removing himself from the restaurant and starting to
37:35 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_06]: heal from the trauma of the loss of his father, the alcoholism of his mother, and the suicide of his brother, and then the traumatization of being of what the other chef did to him at that other restaurant.
37:50 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, right.
37:51 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
37:52 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_06]: That he's in which is what we get into the final episode, right?
37:56 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Where he's saying, look, I'm trying to, you know, oh, oh, can I play a clip?
38:00 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I have a clip.
38:01 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, please.
38:01 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_06]: I have a clip.
38:02 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
38:02 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_06]: This is a little bit long, but I think it goes to the point of this thing of breaking pattern.
38:08 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_06]: So we're going to segue in.
38:09 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I want to talk about this whole thing of recovery and break pattern and stuff.
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm learning that too.
38:15 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
38:16 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to be going to meetings like three times a week talking about mistakes.
38:22 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_05]: God and shit.
38:25 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_05]: The more you do that, the more you realize the people are not so different.
38:34 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
38:37 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Like who?
38:38 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you.
38:41 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_05]: You and her.
38:43 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're both real sensitive.
38:45 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_05]: You're both real intense.
38:52 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure you know me well enough to say that.
38:54 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:56 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:57 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think you'll even was a smart thing to do.
39:00 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think you should bust your own balls over it.
39:06 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, because sometimes to break patterns.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_05]: You got to break patterns, man.
39:16 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sure it's not easy.
39:30 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_06]: So that was Bob Odenkirk as Uncle Lee and talking with Carmy at the wedding where they share it.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And said, I'm going out having a cigarette there.
39:41 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_06]: So what did you hear in that?
39:43 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Because there's so much to me in there that's packed with that.
39:47 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: What I think there is, like you hear in Carmy's voice almost,
39:59 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_00]: a sense of, uh, uh, I don't know if a noise is the right word, but a little put it off of the fact that he feels like, um, Bob's character is being presumptuous.
40:14 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:15 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:15 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And
40:21 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of feel like he knows a ghost pops character's name again.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Lee, Uncle Lee.
40:28 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_06]: That was his dad's brother.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:30 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows Lee is actually correct.
40:37 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in his assessment of Karm and he doesn't like the fact that he's correct.
40:44 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's saying, well, you don't know we will enough to make that judgment.
40:49 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But he kind of does or he does, obviously, whether he does that, you know, he, he kind of picked him and I think Karm knows that.
40:56 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:56 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that bothers Karm.
40:59 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Some extent.
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think what's interesting too,
41:04 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_06]: that I took out of it and at some point we're going to talk about episode ten in that final great conversation that
41:14 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_06]: What Carme is trying to do in that moment of episode ten that nobody else is really understanding is that he's trying to break a pattern to break a pattern.
41:29 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_06]: They're saying your pattern is always to run away from the challenging difficult painful things and by leaving the restaurant you're doing that pattern.
41:40 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's saying, yeah, I get that.
41:44 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm trying to break that pattern by breaking the pattern of me running away.
41:50 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_06]: And the only way for me to break that pattern is to actually sort of run away.
41:54 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_06]: And he gets that advice from Angoli, which where is there is a lot of resentment and upset in there because
42:05 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_06]: the family dynamic of him stepping in as a quasi-father figure and getting close to their mother and everybody being a little bit uncomfortable about that.
42:15 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_06]: But then I love the way that they just, they don't ever say, oh, I'm in a twelve-step program or I'm attending alcoholics anonymous or whatever.
42:26 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_06]: They never call it out, but both uncle Lee and Donna
42:33 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_06]: are clearly active in recovery groups.
42:37 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
42:38 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_06]: And are being supported by the frameworks and structures that are within those groups to be able to start to deal with their trauma and then start to deal with repairing the relationships in their lives.
42:56 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I find it really interesting that in this conversation, Angoli, who clearly currently has some antagonism, you know, antagonism towards, he actually takes that piece of truth that he says about breaking patterns.
43:09 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And then he actually uses that in, in, in, karma uses that in trying to get himself out of, you know, getting out of the dominant position at being at the restaurant.
43:25 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So did you think that, do you think he had made that a decision yet?
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: By that point?
43:32 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he, well, I think he had made the decision.
43:33 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he made the decision when he left Claire's wasn't it?
43:40 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And he calls up PD and says, hey, yeah, and I forget what happens.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_06]: That was somewhere in the middle of the season.
43:47 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
43:48 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_06]: So I think he had made the decision, but in the conversation with Sid and Richie,
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he had new ways to explain.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_06]: He was attempting.
44:04 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_06]: He had new ways to attempt to explain why running away is actually breaking the pattern.
44:10 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Not running away, but leaving the restaurant is the way for him to break the pattern of, I'm going to put myself into my cooking to the degree that my sense of self
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm channeling my trauma.
44:27 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm reflecting my trauma.
44:29 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm spewing it all back at you guys by dumping myself into and not dealing with it now and affecting you all by it.
44:36 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I need to stop doing that and to stop doing that.
44:38 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I need to step away from being the center of the restaurant.
44:42 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that that conversation allowed him to
44:49 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_06]: perceive it in a different way and have some different words to explain it to Sid and Richie.
44:54 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes sense.
44:57 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
44:59 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_06]: What do you make of the whole way that they're using recovery?
45:07 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_06]: support groups in the show like I said they never call it out like I never heard them say here's my coin or you know my sponsor said I should talk to you and here's my checklist of of this is how I'm supposed to apologize take accountability
45:24 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I like how they're using it.
45:25 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I forget which episode it was this season, but for like this season and previous seasons have had a really strong monologue from someone in the AA meeting.
45:41 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and when it earlier seasons it was calm and now the season was Molly Ringwald's care.
45:48 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
45:48 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about that from season one.
45:50 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then this season I don't remember that actor's name, but she I remember after
46:00 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: hearing, it was like when these, I think it was a one shot monologue like a slow pushing, you know, unbroken.
46:06 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember after watching it, thinking to myself, like, that's the kind of role you get where you use.
46:15 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you screamed all your friends.
46:17 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I get this amazing roll on this amazing show, the bear.
46:22 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, what is it like, it's the one time we see here?
46:26 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:27 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's totally gonna stand out.
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Media or it's good.
46:30 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:31 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to put it on the radar of a bunch of casting directors.
46:37 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I like how they've used, you know, the scenes and the AA meetings.
46:43 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of ways the whole show is about recovery.
46:46 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the show is about, you know, there's so much dysfunction in this family.
46:52 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think is, you know, one of the, is it John Maloney's character?
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: who specifically gives a key like that.
47:02 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:04 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He feeds on it, right?
47:05 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, so you have all of this is function.
47:10 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You have, uh, you have, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
47:25 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: What are the choices?
47:26 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: What are the choices we have to make in order to overcome and recover from our past trauma?
47:34 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think this is something that's really unique about this show is that they could have kept going with the intensity from season one and two of people shouting at each other and having all this high drama, but instead they really
47:53 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_06]: worked hard in season three and season four at bending now the arc of the characters.
48:01 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Instead of just continuing off in one direction, which is okay, we just keep making the show and giving everybody that visceral high of the argument.
48:11 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_06]: and the back and forth to actually moving us into this more subtle and nuanced space of what does it mean to take accountability for your actions in the past?
48:28 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:30 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:30 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, when you come to, you know, absurd tan and calm decision,
48:38 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, I think that's one of the controversies starting to show now is the decision for him to, you know, to leave.
48:47 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
48:47 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, look, where is, where is, when is it really sick?
48:50 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is so go from there.
48:52 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:53 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that going to look like?
48:55 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Where do you, what's your, what are your opinions about episode ten?
48:59 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Um,
49:02 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, one, you know, it's clearly designed like a play because all the police.
49:08 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_06]: It was about halfway through and I'm like, oh my god, this is so theatrical.
49:11 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, right into the episode is like, that was a one act play.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right.
49:18 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But I liked how he did it because often times when a television show does that where it does something like is clearly designed to be like a play.
49:30 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It sometimes feels like a play.
49:32 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So one thing that comes to mind to me, I was recently watching Mountain Head.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:38 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of that?
49:40 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't finish.
49:40 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to go back to it.
49:41 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was feeling to like, I don't like it when it's show feels like they're making it like a play.
49:50 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: If that makes sense, it's hard to really put words into it.
49:54 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like, oh, they're acting this
49:58 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you act in a play, you have to act a certain way because you're acting as an audience, whatever.
50:03 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know that I'm explaining myself very well, but sometimes when we have these episodes that are like little mini plays, they feel like you're doing a play versus, like, so, for instance, when I think about reservoir dogs, and I think about the scene, the cutting ear scene, right?
50:25 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Technically, you could say that could be in a play, but it doesn't you don't feel like you're watching a play.
50:29 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
50:30 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You see that scene.
50:31 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And there are lots of little scenes in that movie that could be like plays.
50:37 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There's two people in the room.
50:39 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:39 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:40 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:40 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:41 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:45 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll be seeing Pope fiction in the cafeteria.
50:48 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I never in the diner.
50:49 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I never feel like I'm watching a play.
50:51 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes I feel like when I'm watching a show that is ready with TV show a lot of different locations and then they have this one.
51:01 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd see what it reads.
51:02 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
51:03 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's there.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That was very good too.
51:04 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just there.
51:06 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it feels like it feels like a play.
51:10 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of takes me out.
51:12 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like an uncanny valley thing.
51:14 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great example.
51:15 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
51:16 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:16 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't carry valley.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it feels like a play.
51:18 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's taking me out.
51:20 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:21 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: All that's say I, I feel like this one kind of like straddles it.
51:25 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't, I didn't have that uncanny valley feeling because one,
51:32 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It took a while before I realized, oh, we haven't moved location yet.
51:37 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like we're still in the, like we haven't gone to any of the other, we haven't seen any of the other.
51:40 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
51:40 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just in the back.
51:41 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:43 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_06]: And then we have one door where people enter in, nobody actually exists, right?
51:47 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We just keep adding.
51:48 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You could come in.
51:49 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought they put it off well.
51:54 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I wonder how many cameras they filmed that with because the way like and how many takes and God in the edit to try to match that tonally because that the the the emotional vibration that we're rolling off the screen were just exquisite it felt real and it felt earned
52:15 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And it felt like, and one of the things that I really appreciate about the show is that they're breaking rules of what an episode of television would normally be, like a little mini-three act of play in each episode.
52:26 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_06]: This thing they were just like, nah, we're doing this.
52:29 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_06]: This is where they are.
52:30 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_06]: They walk out after work, and this is what happens.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is a conversation that you could have with these people.
52:39 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought it was brilliant, top to bottom.
52:42 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I absolutely loved it.
52:44 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's funny you say that because I was read, I read this article on Esquire.
52:49 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:49 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to Rosenberg and he specifically described it as anti-TV.
52:54 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny.
52:56 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so now I'm gonna have to go read this article, right?
52:58 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
53:00 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things he was talking about in this article was the controversy around the episode with Karm really do that.
53:08 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he told a story of how
53:11 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: is not uncommon for people to have a pivot shift in their career in their life.
53:17 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:18 --> 53:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a personal story like he used to be an audio engineer and now he's a writer.
53:23 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He writes about TV entertainment and sports and stuff for Esquire.
53:28 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he was using his own personal story as an example of how he can relate to calm, making a decision as big as no longer being a chef, like maybe he'll go on and be a professor at the CA or something like that.
53:44 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I was walking around looking at architecture earlier this year.
53:47 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so like maybe you want to go come and architect to knows.
53:52 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like I feel like I trust the people behind
54:02 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The craze of the show to make however they do it, make it work.
54:09 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's lots of way, because I don't get the impression that karma's not going to be at the restaurant at all, like he'll still be cooking whenever, like maybe there'll be some kind of transition, but there needs to be some type of
54:24 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: cathartic realistic way in which current transitions out of the bear where we as an audience for like that feels earned that makes sense.
54:37 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can understand why he's going where he's going like I could see him in clear moving a Copenhagen or something like that where right and maybe it's implied
54:50 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_00]: you want to start it again, but, you know, a little small shop on the corner of, you know, too Dutch streets that I can't pronounce.
55:01 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And a little bakeries up who knows.
55:04 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_06]: I think too, where I kept checking myself all season long of, you know, in a bad newsbearers type story, they would
55:19 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Sus out the, you know, there'd be some way to sus out the reviewer, right?
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, who's coming in?
55:29 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_06]: They would have gone to heroic efforts and then there'd be some sort of heartbreaking cathartic moment where maybe they didn't get the star, but, you know, they earned something out whatever, right?
55:38 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: There's either an audience or enough to know the bad news bears.
55:41 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, maybe the underdog, underdog story, right?
55:46 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, come from behind story.
55:48 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Kind of behind, but you don't win in the end.
55:50 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but yeah, you lure, you know, it's the memories and the friends that you make along the way, kind of bullshit.
55:55 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
55:57 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And there's plenty of that because there's a lot of love that has shared among all of the characters and a lot of appreciation.
56:04 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, obviously with Tina and the whole scene of Luca and, oh, I forget her name.
56:14 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, the the the expo the expediter the woman with the pen.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
56:22 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_06]: God, she's doing that.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_00]: The one that seems going to hook up with Fritchie.
56:26 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm shipping that so hard.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I am super soon.
56:29 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone is.
56:30 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
56:31 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're talking about.
56:32 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know that she and the other dude used to work at ever and they came over.
56:38 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, Luka came from Copenhagen.
56:39 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_06]: He just comes straight for you.
56:40 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Luka came from Copenhagen.
56:41 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
57:04 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
57:05 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They would definitely lay in tracks.
57:07 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:07 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely stronger that the one scene where they're in the closet together.
57:13 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're close and they're talking.
57:15 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:16 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just two personal questions.
57:18 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And so they're in, right?
57:20 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_06]: So we're shipping her, we're thinking about the star.
57:23 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_06]: The desserts was the surprise pop up that we didn't see, but that's still great because it fills that emotional need.
57:32 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And then all season long, we're like the sandwich, the sandwich, the sandwich, come on guys, put it together.
57:39 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And then they put it together in this really interesting way.
57:45 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_06]: But by all means, so all of those things in a normal show would be tied up neatly in some kind of bow.
57:53 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Whether you didn't get the star, but you still made friends along the way, or the sandwich shop takes off, and they have all, hey, we have enough money.
58:03 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, as another magical realism moment was the the money in the tomato in the tomato sauce cans like that's completely ridiculous, right?
58:11 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, whatever.
58:13 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_06]: So there's all these things that in a traditional show, we would be leading towards those and then and then wrapping them up and then
58:21 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_06]: we don't, or we do, but it's not in a way that we expect it, but it's done in a way that's actually very real, and very probable in our primary world.
58:36 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think when the show takes a bottle episode and says, right, we're gonna just walk down four actors in the back of the, at the back of the set and we're gonna do this at night and it's gonna, we're gonna have lights shining in the lenses and we're gonna have lens fair and, and it's gonna be blurred and I owe a debris actually has to smoke and actually like, you know, she's actually coughing because it's smoke, you know, and all this stuff.
59:06 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_06]: They broke the episode out, and that breaks all the rules of television.
59:13 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And I have not read this, this, this Esquire article, but I agree with the premise as you're telling.
59:21 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
59:23 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Which episode is it or which article is it because I'm looking is that the wildly misunderstood one or where does it go from here do you remember?
59:29 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_06]: It's it's by John Rosenberg.
59:31 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
59:32 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've got it.
59:33 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I've got both.
59:33 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_06]: I've got a couple of articles up from there.
59:35 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, so yeah.
59:36 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I read it recently.
59:37 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, anyway.
59:38 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got them both.
59:38 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll read them.
59:39 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll read them all read them.
59:40 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's one that says the bear season four finale is wildly misunderstood.
59:45 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
59:45 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
59:46 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
59:46 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I've got that one up.
59:47 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_06]: So I'll.
59:48 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I read that later.
59:49 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:49 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
59:50 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:51 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about current decision?
59:54 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Indeed, you think you're going to be able to pull it off next season.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I was processing kind of in the episode as well, now that I think about it.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was trying, and now I understand it in a little bit of a way because I did do a little bit of going back and thinking about it and watching a couple of other episodes and then playing the clip from Bata Oden Kirk right now about breaking patterns.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I have another clip actually I want to play for you.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Again, it's another a little bit of long one, but I think it sort of goes to this
01:00:39 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it sets up the question interestingly because what do we do with calm where does calm go because I think this clip sets up this is him and Mikey talking at the beginning of the season.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And so this sets up the question of the restaurant and what what calms what's going on with calm here.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_06]: So here's the clip.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_06]: He was an asshole.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, everybody loves restaurants.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Even asshole.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know man.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna restrain every single fucking day in my life.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And I definitely met thousands of people who definitely do not love restaurants.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, they would love hours.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And why is that?
01:01:14 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Because it would be hours in relation just because you've like been a fucking napa.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it doesn't make this a not fuck business, you know?
01:01:20 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I know that.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking hard.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_02]: right it's fucking hard and that's that's what makes it special right it's it's fucking hard and and and it's gnarly and it's brutal and it's specific and not everybody can do it but I can do it Mike what we could do this right we could we could we could take care of people we could make it calm we could make it delicious we could play good music
01:01:52 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_02]: People would want to come in there to celebrate, right?
01:01:54 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They'd want to come in there after they had great days and they'd want to come in there even more after they had shitty ones.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: We could make people happy, Mike.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Give me.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you and me.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I really thought about this.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I know what it smells like.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you call it?
01:02:34 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you call it, Mikey's?
01:02:35 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I got a bit of one.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what if there is no tomorrow?
01:03:00 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_04]: There wasn't one today.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello?
01:03:07 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello?
01:03:09 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There is so much packed into that.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can't explain the end.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They went to the clip from Kronog Day.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that's a really important thing is that, so this whole sequence sets up the thesis for this season, I think.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_06]: which is that this restaurant, Carmy wanted to do with his brother and create this magical space where they could make people happy.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_06]: But now there's these holes in his heart.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_06]: It's based on ideas that aren't necessarily true in life because, you know, oh yeah, Dad was happy at these places and like, did you actually know Dad and he's like, actually, no, I didn't.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_06]: So there's a giant hole there.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_06]: There's a giant hole because Mikey's now gone.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And so there's all this stuff.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And so Carmy's trying to do this thing that he wanted to do with his brother, but his brother's not there anymore.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And now he's stuck in a pattern and now he's stuck in Groundhog Day.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And he has to figure out his way out of this finger trap.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_06]: And instead of pulling away, he has to push in.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And so this scene, I think book ended with the episode, ten and was sugar coming in and just giving him that hog when she realizes kind of a cry here.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_06]: And second, when she realizes that he's making this breakthrough, it's just so it's such incredible writing.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just such incredible vision for television.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I don't know another show that has done this with this kind of subtlety and it's this kind of scale.
01:04:48 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like in the fact when Mike is as you know, I have a name for another one and then you without saying it, but you know what he's thinking, right?
01:05:00 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And let her rip there.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, I think that's what makes the show special.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the kind of show, and you can tell based on the number of like guest star appearances on it.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You can tell this is a kind of show where other celebrities say, I want to be, I want to be on the bat.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they turn the agents, get me on the bat.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if I'm just for a, you know, one scene where I'm a dishwasher,
01:05:32 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I feel like it's that kind of show, right?
01:05:36 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Where.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_06]: You John Cena, Briel Arson, you know, Rob Reiner.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_06]: It was going on here.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_06]: It's her plane, somebody.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Odin Kirk, Olivia Coleman, I mean, the list is on and on.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the worst.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: As the guy from community, John McCabe, that's the piece of chef that, right?
01:05:59 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:59 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:59 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember I was like, I almost didn't recognize him.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the two from community?
01:06:05 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the term to stunt casting.
01:06:09 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a word that gets thrown around with these kinds of things.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_06]: And I love that idea.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, we're going to watch this pull off this stunt.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to pull in this actor that you had no idea was going to be in this one way or another and they pull it off.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_06]: So I love it.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the reason why they wouldn't be on the show, going back to the restaurant and allergies, because for at least one, you want to eat at the French lunche.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to see what it tastes like.
01:06:37 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And the actors, they want to see what it tastes like to taste the dialogue that it's written for the show.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what it's like to be.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's show like this, Rob Reiner.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why not there.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Rob retounds.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think,
01:06:57 --> 01:07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, I think it still remains a special show.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that it is...
01:07:07 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Every, every year it's like we don't have to freaking wait two, three years.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like regular tell it's like when TV used to be great with TV like every year.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Show came back.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And at the same time, this is not right.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_06]: This is this is not a normal television.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, no, so.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel confident that they are going to be able to pull it off next year with whatever kind of decisions.
01:07:37 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like, is it official that next season is the last season?
01:07:41 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I believe so.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I believe so.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's ready.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's yeah.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_06]: We're done.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_06]: We're done.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I think didn't he have originally three seasons in mind, and then they kind of pushed him to stretch out.
01:07:57 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_06]: uh... to do an extra or do was a foresees i forget that with the number was but he had it he had it in mind and he kind of got studio pressure to to fill in and so that's where i think three feels a little lost because it wasn't part of the original plan necessarily at least that's what i'm in turn i'm i'm sort of this quick game to me yeah exactly we need to work
01:08:20 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that's dangerous too, right?
01:08:23 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I get it, but you should not turn the bear into poker face.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_06]: You should not turn bear into, I keep bringing up the pit, but, you know, that's the thing.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_06]: That to me is an elevated show of that variety of year after year, season after season.
01:08:40 --> 01:09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: you can keep running in a modern context right as opposed to an ER or hill street blues or a mash or what have you know I'm showing me the bear is telling a very specific story yeah so even for the beginning you feel like it's the kind of story that's going to have and and and a relatively short amount of time like you don't
01:09:03 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the kind of story you want to have go perpetually.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, because he's end up jumping the shark.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Literally.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, there's another age.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's another age reference.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure many people out there heard that they just don't know the other.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: YouTube or shark.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And you'll get there.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_06]: And you're Henry Winkler.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you like Barry?
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't finish the last season, okay.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The seasons I did, I watched everything up to the last season.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked it.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard there's a lot of controversy around the last season, so... I enjoyed it.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I ranked it as my number one for the year, because it was just... So... Again, just groundbreaking.
01:09:48 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_06]: He was just doing stuff that, like... Oh, but you brought it up because Henry Winkler is in... Henry Winkler, yeah.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.
01:09:54 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what does I have to do with the fear of Henry Winkler?
01:09:58 --> 01:10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: jumping the sharp too many seasons of the area.
01:10:00 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm looking forward.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought overall I like season four.
01:10:05 --> 01:10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I like to better them last season and would you put two on the top of your pile?
01:10:12 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: To our one, you can't hard to break it out.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: One is just, I feel like every episode in one was just fire.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just the energy that that one or episode where everything that goes wild, I just felt like it's at the stage.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so those two, they're very close to me.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, and two has some sublime months, right?
01:10:38 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Fish is and forks and what was the Copenhagen episode called?
01:10:43 --> 01:10:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't remember off here?
01:10:47 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, but yeah, the episode is in season two as well.
01:10:53 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, and it's a strong, that's a really hard season to beat just for those three episodes.
01:10:59 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, I for me season four, it's
01:11:05 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_06]: It is the synthesis of everything that they're, and sometimes shows both synthesized things, but they're not elevated.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think this is elevating, the editing, the montage scenes, the city scenes, the music, just everything to me, they were doing it really well, and now they're doing it better.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Any other special moments to conversation with Donna?
01:11:35 --> 01:11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It was powerful.
01:11:36 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think she'll definitely be nominated for that.
01:11:41 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure such a good performance by her such incredible stuff.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The magical table scene and wedding in the wedding episode.
01:11:51 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, man.
01:11:55 --> 01:11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:11:56 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we're kind of there.
01:11:57 --> 01:11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we made it through.
01:11:59 --> 01:12:01 [SPEAKER_06]: We crossed all the teas out of the ice.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's so many little details to like I was thinking about.
01:12:05 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_06]: There's one of the pieces of music is a Tangerine dream diamond diary and that that movie that song is the opening to thief.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:27 [SPEAKER_06]: the movie thief and it's a great heist visual thing and so that means you know there are I've got so many notes left on the table here.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:32 [SPEAKER_06]: You go on forever really good.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:37 [SPEAKER_06]: You could really pick this show apart scene by see I mean the season apart scene by seeing yeah and
01:12:38 --> 01:12:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was good.
01:12:39 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Cool, man.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, what else you got going on these days?
01:12:42 --> 01:12:43 [SPEAKER_06]: You just you've been busy at work.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I know you mentioned that.
01:12:45 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you do my by day doing a marketing manager by night catching up on TV and every now and then, um, creating content.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You can always find me.
01:12:56 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Just go to blurredroner.com.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's links to all of my cool socials where I make a fool of myself and
01:13:06 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you still in your YouTube with your friends?
01:13:09 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we haven't been consistent with it.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we may start putting out for my our dinners and dueregs.
01:13:16 --> 01:13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, podcasts.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to get
01:13:22 --> 01:13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to level up and be consistent.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We first gotta be consistent.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What should you be consistent?
01:13:28 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we can worry about the failure.
01:13:30 --> 01:13:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you need something at the center of that to be able to drive the consistency.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:35 --> 01:13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So for now for me, it's a lot of fun stuff to do on the side.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm enjoying it.
01:13:42 --> 01:13:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Cool, right on.
01:13:43 --> 01:13:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, just a reminder to everyone to check the show notes for the link tree that has links to all of our other affiliate podcasts, John and Marilyn right now are covering foundation.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to be covering Alien Earth.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:02 [SPEAKER_06]: You're going to be joining me for at least one episode of Alien Earth when that drops in.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the news season foundation out?
01:14:05 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, it just started.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we're up to two or three.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:14:09 --> 01:14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:14:09 --> 01:14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thank you for telling me.
01:14:13 --> 01:14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That explains why it's on the homepage of my Apple.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did.
01:14:17 --> 01:14:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, so John and Marilyn, I dip I'm dipping out on the season.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:28 [SPEAKER_06]: John and I started covering that together way back when we were stuff.
01:14:29 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, I'm just not into the season.
01:14:31 --> 01:14:33 [SPEAKER_06]: We got access to screeners.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And I just I had to dip so but Marilyn is a big book reader and big asthma fan so they're they're doing that We also just finished a John and Alicia just wrapped coverage on murder bought so that was really They really enjoyed that season which just got renewed for for season two
01:14:50 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Alicia and Jean are covering a lot of the movie stuff that we're coming out because obviously we have Superman now.
01:14:56 --> 01:14:57 [SPEAKER_06]: We've got Fantastic Four out.
01:14:57 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_06]: We had Ironheart.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_06]: So they're keeping all of that stuff under.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Underrat whatever.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm mixing my metaphors here anyway.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:09 [SPEAKER_06]: They're putting podcasts out on all of those.
01:15:10 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_06]: And then like I said, I'm doing Alien Earth and I'm going to do I'm going to do squad style kind of like we did for.
01:15:17 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And or where I'm going to have a rotating seat of folks, but I know you said you were keen on it, so you and I would sort of do this.
01:15:27 --> 01:15:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Check us out on Patreon or supercast.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Those are links are in the show notes as well.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:36 [SPEAKER_06]: If you like what we do and you want to support us, let us, you know, we would be great.
01:15:36 --> 01:15:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like, I think I'll with the discount for a pre paid year.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:42 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, fifty four dollars or something like that.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's a ridiculous price.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_06]: That's particularly well valued for the amount of content and the quality of content we put out.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And the other thing, too, is we're, we're, make sure that like, you know, wrong gets the, gets the, a part of it.
01:15:56 --> 01:16:00 [SPEAKER_06]: So all of our co-hosts get paid out for being on the podcast and stuff.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_06]: So we really make sure to honor the creative relationships that we have with all of our co-hosts and everyone.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:08 [SPEAKER_06]: So we really love your support.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:13 [SPEAKER_06]: So check us out on Patreon or supercast, which is just like Patreon, but slightly a little different.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Otherwise, thanks for dropping in Ron.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:18 [SPEAKER_06]: It was good to catch up with you, man.
01:16:18 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just talking to you again.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is fun.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'll see you on Alien Earth.
01:16:24 --> 01:16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, man.
01:16:25 --> 01:16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: See you.