Elysia is joined by Lisa to spill all the tea on everything that went down in Kristoffer Borgli's The Drama (2026). After giving their spoiler-free takes and general thoughts on the power of dark humor to unlock uncomfortable discussions, they talk about the film's opening sequence (00:21:14) without spoiling the twist, and then finally launch into a full-spoiler discussion of the rest of the film (00:37:40).
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00:16 --> 00:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Cinema Hounds, a lower-hounds podcast Your Guides to Controversial Weddings.
00:22 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Alicia the Wedding photographers still waiting for word on gram on granddad's RSVP for the shoot.
00:29 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Lisa, the guest at Table 5 of Sipping T while the drama unfolds.
00:34 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So we are here to talk about the new Zendaya, Robert Pattinson movie, the drama.
00:41 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to do three circles of spoiler.
00:45 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to start with some quick spoiler free fresh takes.
00:50 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that's going to...
00:51 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: flow pretty evenly into.
00:53 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to discuss the opening sequence without the rest of the movie because that is the bit that leads up to the famous big twist.
01:02 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not going to spoil that big twist.
01:04 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We will give a very generalized content warning at the end.
01:08 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't seen the film yet, I think you are still safe to sit through the second circle of spoiler, but
01:15 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we will take a break and there will be a full spoiler content warning and discussion of the rest of the film sounds good.
01:26 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is, we are recording, I'll say, FDA before this, before this episode is going to release that you're listening to now.
01:34 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So as of now, the budget of the film was 28 million and it's in its first weekend, it already made back that budget.
01:43 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't yet know as we're recording what it's second weekend will be.
01:47 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We do know it was the third largest age 24 domestic opening after Civil War and Marty Supreme.
01:55 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so it's it's doing quite well in an indie way, but of course everyone's like Super Mario brothers or whatever.
02:03 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 175 million.
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like it's crushing it.
02:07 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, duh, it's a better because it's budget is also whatever.
02:14 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
02:14 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
02:15 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously projectile Mary is still holding on strong at second in the box office So there will be an episode coming for that soon, but in the indie drama space This is doing quite well.
02:29 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you surprised
02:31 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_03]: No, well, I'm not surprised simply because of three things.
02:36 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_03]: A, Robert Pattinson, B, Zendaya, and three A24.
02:41 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You can have three stronger brand recognition than those three.
02:45 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, I sense a lot of people, including myself.
02:50 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, well, I would see this because I'd say 24, but Zendaya and
02:54 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_01]: wrong ones and so in a way I'm not surprised it'll be interesting to see how it what it's uh but it does in the second you know what the legs are right well it does right after all the discussion yes indeed so the the premise of the film is a happily engaged couple is put to the test when an unexpected turn sends their wedding week off the rails
03:16 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I really liked about the age 24 marketing, and there's, well, there's been some controversy.
03:21 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that as we can allow by spoilers.
03:25 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But I like that they released the first trailers without ever saying what the twist is.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this twist happens.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think less than half an hour into the movie.
03:37 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
03:38 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
03:39 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: There were still part of me wondering, oh, is that it?
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And part of me was at the edge of my seat because I thought maybe something else was coming.
03:46 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, okay.
03:48 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so fair warning.
03:50 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No one's, well, we'll talk about in the next section how that sets up and you'll know when that's happening, the twist is coming.
03:57 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's mostly, it's,
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: there's physical stuff that happens.
04:03 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you might have seen, you know, Robert Pattinson with two black eyes in the poster or whatever, but it's mostly, it's about discussion and but still it had my entire theater howling at this screen and just like,
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
04:26 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had a I got to this start time really late.
04:31 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So what I tend to do is when I just like roll up and get my ticket, you know, and I sneak or not sneak.
04:36 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But I entered the theater once the previews are running and I sit like in the very last row at the end of the aisle.
04:42 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So I had a couple who was a few seats down for me, who could host to them.
04:49 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they did
04:51 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_03]: talk throughout the whole thing.
04:52 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_03]: They were like, they were breaking everything down, trying to figure everything out, picking apart the pathway, but they were very, very quiet.
05:01 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_03]: They were respectful, but it there were conversations, and they were also the couple that I recognized would laugh.
05:08 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: with dry swell so right yeah I was definitely I think I laughed loudest at first I'll talk about it is in that opening sequence when Robert Pattinson's character did something right I could just immediately see when he was about to do oh my god and but then I think everyone else started joining in I think people started to feel more and more freeze it went on to but the humor is dark the humor is dark yes
05:32 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I often see my job in a theater is, you know, I will, I will laugh at some of these things to give the audience permission to laugh for those who want to, you know, right, right, I want people to know that.
05:49 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so overall the reviews have been not as mixed as might be feared.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's run leaning quite positive.
05:57 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we've got a 3.8 on letterboxed 7.5 on IMDB, 77% from critics and 80% from audiences on Rotten Tomatoes.
06:06 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So people, I mean, it deals with serious subjects, but it's also,
06:13 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say it's very funny and there are going to be people who's who watch it and will be disgusted with the fact that I called this very funny.
06:21 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There might have been some news articles that spoiled the contents for you about it, but the reason why.
06:29 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more than okay to be funny because we were having these discussions that we're already starting to have and we will have more openly as this episode goes on.
06:38 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is not in the film itself and then around the film, it's talking about something or somethings because there's really more than one horrible thing to be honest.
06:54 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's things that people don't want to talk about, particularly the big one, but
06:59 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, when people don't talk about these things, they don't talk about why these things happen.
07:05 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If you just demonize people that can perpetuate the problems that are causing bad things to happen in the first place.
07:12 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I like a film that's like, no, let's not hide from it.
07:18 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's actually talk about it.
07:20 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's exactly what this is.
07:22 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I don't have an argument against it being a rom-com in the sense that so much of, you know, even some of my favorite comedy is, I remember the days of the TV show Frazier, where so much of it was a misunderstanding or miscommunication, if one character over here's,
07:42 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_03]: something, but bottom line, it's about, oh, did I really say that out loud?
07:47 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't mean to say that out loud.
07:49 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I said it out loud to the wrong person.
07:50 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I should have told that other person before I told this person.
07:53 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, and so it is that situational, you know, I want to say, again, comedy.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's,
08:02 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Essentially, for me, what this movie is, it's like, oh my god, how do we communicate with each other?
08:09 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We've really botched this up a little bit and, you know, and so that premise still holds overall for this movie.
08:17 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:18 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:19 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was marketed more as a rom-com in the US, but I've seen more, I've seen people complain about that that it wasn't what they expected.
08:28 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, like, I thought I saw the same trailers as other people here, and as I thought that American Europe got the same trailers, perhaps not.
08:37 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: This is definitely the type of film.
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It has an Norwegian director, we'll talk about him in a moment.
08:42 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is the type of film with the dark humor that and weirdness.
08:47 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely other weirdness that maybe, excuse more European tastes.
08:54 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's why just by seeing the trailer, I knew not to expect like, Like, I'm going to go see what is the new one.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Tuscany and me, what is it?
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
09:07 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: with Hayley's face and what's her face?
09:10 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And Richie Jumpage.
09:13 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:14 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So that one, I expect, like, that's going to be a rom-com if they don't end up together.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be shocked, you know?
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I expected to be silly.
09:24 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And this one definitely has silliness, but laced with darkness that's grounded in reality in like the ugliness of humanity.
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
09:35 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And as a ridiculous in a way that the poster looks and the two characters in the poster, you could tell something really, you know, something happened.
09:45 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's not a, you know, you wonder it's not a fairy tale happily ever after.
09:52 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_03]: So you kind of go in that way, but I had the same suspense.
09:57 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_03]: that I wouldn't have, well, no, I'm not necessarily, because in rom-coms, like you said, they should end up together and be happy.
10:03 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And do from the poster wonder, oh, is this a couple that's going to make it?
10:10 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I like that the trailer, I mean, that the marketing in general, like because they also age 24 has been doing all this stunt marketing, which I appreciate.
10:21 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for example, for this, they took out, they placed a fake Boston wedding, Boston Globe wedding announcement, because it's set in Boston.
10:28 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently Bostonians like the Boston representation.
10:33 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
10:35 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I've heard that the same thing, some of the other podcasts,
10:39 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_03]: pop culture critics that I've read those that really recognize it is being Boston and Cambridge really resonated with it.
10:45 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: They really love that part of it.
10:48 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, I like that they've been doing.
10:52 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope more follow suit in this idea that we can make a movie intriguing by not telling you what's going to happen in it.
11:04 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Looking at you, companion trailer, still mad about that.
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right,
11:09 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I liked that this had, I don't know, what were your feelings about Oppenheimer at the film?
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like that's where you're going to bring up.
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But then, I don't know, right.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm a huge fan.
11:21 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And Alicia, I think you're not so much.
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I am less so.
11:26 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my definitely one of my least favorite Nolan films, but what I did like about it the best were these sort of surreal moments where you saw what was like there their fantasies and their intrusive thoughts, yes, it out on screen.
11:43 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, I'm on record as saying, I wish Oppenheimer had more of that that would have made it a more interesting movie to me.
11:50 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This movie leans all the way into that sort of visual storytelling and I think it's all the better for it personally.
11:58 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I agree because, yeah, Oppenheimer was so much about what is going on inside that brain of his and the more they definitely tried to put us there.
12:07 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, there's something to me said,
12:11 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_03]: for, you know, the one scene that you're talking about and others, if it's the premise of, is really how, what is going on inside their head?
12:19 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the way these scenes in the editing did that for us, that I, you know, had no problem then understanding where,
12:28 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_03]: The characters mind was as they were, you know, and they weren't just making faces and, you know, that kind of thing.
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
12:36 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
12:37 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that the person I went to the movie with at some point during one of those scenes shot out, this is so weird.
12:46 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not a movie.
12:48 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a narrative device that a lot of directors use, you know, at least not the traditional American ones for sure.
12:54 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's delightfully weird.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:56 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
12:57 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like the score.
12:58 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually listened to the score again today as I was prepping these notes.
13:02 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's by Daniel Pemberton who has been making more and more of a name for himself.
13:08 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He was initially known as that spider-verse guy.
13:11 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He did the spider-verse scores, although he did a lot more.
13:14 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But lately he did he did project Hail Mary's score.
13:17 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, oh yeah, he man masters
13:26 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so I this it reminded me during the film and I was reminded of that when I was listening to it again today of I don't know if this is like because I had a Russian grandmother who is into classical music or if this is a thing most kids did but there is this
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: record are you still listen to Peter and the Wolf?
13:46 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yes.
13:47 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it was made for kids to kind of educate us on it was the Peter and the Wolf story but then teaching us about like musical motifs and stuff interesting.
13:56 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
13:56 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
13:57 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
13:57 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that well my brother and I have big memories of hearing that record and for that reason in a way there was a lot of you know music fans and our family
14:11 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_03]: to help explain to us, you know, tension and peace and, you know, curiosity and silliness versus dread.
14:22 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
14:23 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, very familiar with that piece.
14:25 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this was, it's just, I don't know if it struck you as similar also, but it's like the the score, it's flute driven, it's playful, erratic, like, languagely driving, like, boop, boop, boop, that sort of thing, mysterious.
14:44 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It really, I don't know if there was an intentional influence in any way, but it reminded me a lot of Peter and the Wolf, which is an interesting comparison to
14:54 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I must confess I would probably, I know I would pay more attention to the music in a second viewing.
15:00 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a very strong recollection of it in my first.
15:03 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:04 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But Peter and the Wolf is a story for anyone who doesn't remember of the guy who he was a sheep herder shepherd, that's what you call him, and he kept lying to say that the wolves were getting his sheep, I forget why because he was like being lazy or something, but then people figured out he was lying and then when the wolves actually came, nobody believed him anymore.
15:32 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, isn't it the foundation of what we say is, you know, oh, he's just crying wolf.
15:38 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
15:38 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:39 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
15:42 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:42 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So as you said, it's an A24 film.
15:45 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people talk about the fact that it's produced by RISD.
15:48 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And he is indeed one of the listed producers, but it's really, it's his production company SquarePegg, which, yeah, SquarePegg, like they, I, not all of their films are good.
16:00 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: shout out to death of a unicorn, but I enjoyed it anyway, you know, because they are all weird.
16:07 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so all of our ancestors films that he does is a writer director himself, you know, from mid-Summer and hereditary and all the best, but also,
16:16 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It is like the Northmen, yes, some others they did, the most recent one from so the actual director of this film, the person we should actually be talking about, not Ariaster, is Christopher Borgley, the Norwegian, as I said, his last film before this was with Nicholas Cage, dream scenario, did you see that one?
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to ask you if you have seen it.
16:38 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I have not.
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So,
16:40 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, now I want to.
16:42 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I I rather enjoyed it.
16:45 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about so it's if people remember the trailers maybe from a couple of years ago Nicholas Cage is just like this kind of average guy who randomly starts turning up in people's dreams and then they start you know Blaming him from the random things they dream about him being violent toward them or whatever and he's like why?
17:03 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Was like, how can you blame that on me?
17:05 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That was just my dream.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:08 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can see some similar Yeah, similar ideas and and the one before that people also say a lot of good things about I haven't seen it yet myself, but definitely kicking it up the list after this sick of myself Which is I really want to see that I saw the premise about that.
17:23 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's gonna be really a cool film Do you want to say what the premise is?
17:28 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_03]: If I'm not mistaken, I think that in a partnership, it seems that one, I think they're artists, both artists or whatever, but one gets jealous of all the attention and acclaim the other ones getting and so they create these dramatic scenarios to grab a very narcissistic kind of.
17:52 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_03]: relationship.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I think am I even close.
17:55 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I haven't seen it, but yeah, I think you're right.
17:57 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's set in Oslo.
17:59 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So really dream scenario is the one where he did his jump to English language.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So has thus gotten more international attention.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I definitely want to see sick of myself, too.
18:08 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's he's become one to watch.
18:11 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I say because of this movie, people of dug up an old controversy about him.
18:16 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
18:18 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, minor unspoiler, I guess, like, if you don't want to know this, I, all I'm going to say is the controversy that he's kicked up is not related to any of the discussion in the film itself.
18:33 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't want to know, then now's your time to check out.
18:38 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I will say, yeah, there's a lot of other things that the film does talk about, where it does not talk about
18:48 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And when in 2012, Christopher Borgley, the director wrote an essay.
18:55 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is like 15 years ago, almost 14 years ago.
18:59 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote an essay at the time, looking back on when he was 27, and when he was 27, he dated a 17 year old for little while.
19:09 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this was legal, it's past the age of consent, but he's writing in the essay about how people judged him for that.
19:17 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, of course, people are freaking out about it now.
19:20 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, he's a pedophile.
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, 17 is young.
19:24 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know either of them at the time.
19:26 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I've certainly known 17-year-old girls who were more mature than 27-year-old men.
19:31 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to clutch my pearls about it.
19:33 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to break a judgment pro or con about it, because I don't know these people.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know them then.
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: don't even know them now.
19:41 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is funny that it's generating the exact sort of conversation that the film is intended to generate, like where are the lines of morality in this question and why and how does this one thing that someone did or didn't do change how you see the person they are today?
19:57 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it summarizes in a way.
20:02 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_03]: cancel culture in a way, you know, Nick Cage and Dream scenario, same thing.
20:06 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you mad at me in real life?
20:08 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't, you know, I can't control it.
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't actually do anything to you.
20:12 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't deliberately get into your dream.
20:14 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, so it's, he brings up that same kind of question is, you know, how does one thing,
20:24 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_03]: someone did or didn't do change how you see the person you know and so if we've seen that on our society today one tweet can get you fired and it's just yeah so cancel culture is really
20:49 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.
20:50 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So that gets into, let's talk about the opening sequence of the film.
20:54 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is, we're just going to say how, just the general set up of the first 20 minutes.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no real spoilers.
21:00 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just establishing the central relationship.
21:02 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to check out now, understand, watch the film come back, listen to the rest of our conversation.
21:19 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: if you are still around, let's start with the, of course, the two main characters, what we know about them in the beginning, of course.
21:27 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have Emma Harwood played by Zindaya and Charlie Thompson played by Robert Pattinson.
21:34 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she is, she works in publishing, it seems, her company is called Mission Books or something, yeah, something with books, it looks like
21:47 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: uh he is he's more defined he's a curator at a British museum called it's a fictitious museum called the Cambridge Museum.
21:57 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes and he is they establish pretty quick that he is from Britain because he has has an accent so right right right and there's some yeah teasing she's from Louisiana we can say Baton Rouge Louisiana.
22:11 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, do you have, what are your feelings going in about these two actors?
22:16 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you, are you fans of one or both?
22:19 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I am big fans.
22:22 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I really respect Robert Pattinson for the career choices that he has made after such a global phenomenon as the Twilight movies.
22:34 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And so like Daniel Radcliffe from Harry Potter and others, when you are so locked in and so globally known as a certain character,
22:44 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_03]: decisions you make afterwards are going to make or break.
22:47 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Robert Pattinson is an excellent actor and I'm thrilled that he made these very avant-garde and usual independent films.
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_03]: He definitely
22:58 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I see him very differently and he's very vulnerable and open to trying all different kinds of things.
23:04 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So I very much like Robert Pattinson.
23:08 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And then Zendaya, I've become a really big fan of, I never watched Euphoria.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I don't.
23:17 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I really probably know her more from her Spider-Man films and other things like that.
23:22 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But I find that the way that she is at least in,
23:25 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_03]: interviews and so forth with the press, just someone who's so incredibly down to earth.
23:30 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So I really, really like her and I loved her in Challengers, one of my favorite movies that she did.
23:37 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, and they are both, again, you and I talked about weathering heights and a couple other movies and I find both actors to be very, very charismatic and I don't
23:52 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_03]: take my eyes off of them at all.
23:53 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So I, but I really like both actors.
23:57 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:57 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they had great chemistry in this too.
23:59 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
24:01 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so, Rosentaya, I think, yeah, she seems like a very likable person.
24:06 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she's a talented actor in the sense that I think she does convincing portrayals of her characters.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:15 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I do have to say, I am more of a fan of Robert Pattinson just because I think he does more transformative acting.
24:22 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:22 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I will point yet again to exhibit a Mickey 17, where he just, thank you.
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_04]: that was boggers.
24:32 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_04]: That was excellent.
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And he plays like, he plays two people who are clones.
24:38 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the premise.
24:40 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's obviously there's like more than 17 of them.
24:44 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But he plays them so different from each other and so different from himself.
24:49 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And this too, it's like he's, this is in many ways, one of the closest to himself presumably because he is
24:57 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: British, as you say, he's just allowed to be his allowed to do his normal accent.
25:02 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's just something like the kind of it brings out this bumbling charming side of him that I've been noticing in the interviews he and Zendaya have been giving have been delightful.
25:14 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like is he taking on the characters persona or did what the character just more modeled after him?
25:20 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But like he does this thing throughout the movie where it just a little character repetitive thing where like he puts his seeing glasses up into his sticky up he hair and it's just so like
25:32 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you grant back in the day kind of charming, you know what I mean?
25:35 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:36 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Or wine Gosling in Project Hell Mary was the same way, you know, his glasses were always, you know, up here and dangling and doing that.
25:44 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
25:45 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:47 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Just yeah, just several, just sheveled charming.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of, yeah, 100%.
25:52 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And they have this adorable meet cute.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is the first scene.
25:57 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it opens on her ear and you're like, what?
26:00 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then it makes sense.
26:03 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.
26:04 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.
26:04 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We find out she's deaf in one ear and Robert Pattinson's character, Charlie.
26:09 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna start calling them by their character names, Charlie and Emma.
26:12 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlie just sees her and he's like, I wanna talk to her, but he doesn't realize she's deaf in one ear.
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He just sees she only has an ear but in one ear.
26:21 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So when she's in the bathroom he goes up and this is when I started laughing and because I saw immediately he was doing he will go up she's reading a book and she leaves it where she was sitting to go to the bathroom in this coffee shop.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes up and takes a picture of the book and looks it up.
26:34 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh my god he's gonna pretend he's read it!
26:37 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right!
26:37 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes!
26:40 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, an angel me cute for sure.
26:42 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:45 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
26:47 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like already the question.
26:49 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's so minor compared to everything else, but it's that moral of him that he lied to her to talk to her.
26:56 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you because that's one of the things
27:00 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I and my initial thoughts actually of seeing their meet cute was I thought he was creepy.
27:07 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:07 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it's not that that's unusual about, you know, what he did and you know, it's no different than, you know, walking by and seeing the book or whatever, but the way he was taking a picture and just kind of, you know, following her and showing up in the coffee shop all the time.
27:22 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, normal, you know, crushed behavior, but he,
27:27 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_03]: There was something creepy about him to me and, you know, when they on their first date as, you know, she's encouraging him to say, so what did you like about the book?
27:38 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that, that conversation just can't go anywhere and he very quickly confesses, yeah, I just kind of said that so I can meet you.
27:45 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, yeah, but, yeah, but for me that really established him for me as a creep.
27:56 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_03]: throughout the whole movie.
27:58 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
28:00 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and read then at least he humiliated himself also in the verse.
28:04 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's very self-talking.
28:07 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: he's talking to her from behind and doesn't realize that she's deaf in the ear that doesn't have the ear button.
28:15 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So he just keeps saying this stuff and thinks she's ignoring him.
28:18 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So he keeps getting more and more awkward until finally she turns around and she's like, that, well, hi, I'm sorry.
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_03]: You were speaking, you're standing next to me, okay.
28:32 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he definitely thought, yeah, I'm getting the cold shoulder here.
28:35 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, what do I do?
28:36 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, but I think even then, you know, when they were in that coffee shop, she was, you know, she was open to me.
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, hey, let's start from the beginning.
28:47 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_03]: What were you trying to say?
28:48 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:50 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I guess what I love most about this whole opening thing.
28:53 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't even say that we learn quickly.
28:56 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: This scene is embedded in a two parallel conversations that each of them are having with their best man and mate of honor about writing their vowels or their speeches.
29:08 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_02]: After the winters, yeah.
29:10 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so the editing is for me in terms of the form of this film, the editing is the most exciting thing.
29:19 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, uh, so funny, uh, captivating, um, yeah, oddball in a way that's like just really, for I saw people in my theater physically leaning into the screen because wow, the way that the editing was having people hanging on every exchange.
29:37 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:38 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
29:39 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So we see, you know, we get to see an entire montage of their romance over the past two years leading up to this point that's a few days before their wedding embedded with this discussion where we're learning about them talking to their best-man-sashmate of honor about
29:57 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: about the other person and about their relationship and like you know she said he can't talk about this or she's going to talk about this in her speech and he wants to talk about something different so can't talk about the first kiss you know that sort of thing right yeah she'll probably cover that yeah you know and that kind of thing and you know what what drew them together what they liked about each other and how they fell in love and all that yeah yeah yeah stuff
30:21 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so shout out to the editor, Joshua Raymond Lee, who works with the director, Christopher Borgley on that, so that it's just really stand out to me.
30:29 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping this gets some awards nominations at the end of the year.
30:33 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an early release, so that's a tough, steep uphill, but we'll see.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
30:39 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, okay, so here's the question, after this opening, you know, sort of montage with a speech writing, did you feel like, where would you place them in terms of being a solid couple on a scale of one to, I don't know, I'm even trying to think who's a really solid couple at the Obama's.
31:03 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_03]: right.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
31:09 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I would say probably an eight out of ten.
31:13 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_03]: They definitely were they enjoyed each other's company and wanted to be around each other and enjoyed doing things together.
31:19 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe each other laughed had a great intimacy and physical relationship and you definitely saw that.
31:24 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, I absolutely believed they were very much into each other and very much in love
31:31 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And I could definitely see them as a long-term couple.
31:35 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I just remembered now the whole thing about his best man's telling him, like, don't talk about your sex life.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, when he, again, he's like, well, what do you love about Emma?
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh my gosh, you know, the sex is great.
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, yeah, maybe don't put that in your speech.
31:50 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
31:54 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so okay, so let's bring in the best man and made of honor sounds good.
31:59 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So best man Mike played by Mamadoo Athi and made of honor Rachel played by Alana Hayme.
32:08 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not personally myself a Hayme music fan.
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm aware of this as a phenomenon.
32:14 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have any attachment to Alana Hayme in the way that a lot of people seem to.
32:23 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.
32:23 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I only know her from she's been in a few things now, but I only know her from her acting side.
32:27 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm aware.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't even know she had a musical side.
32:31 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, her and her sisters.
32:32 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:33 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
32:35 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
32:37 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Mamadoo Athiv more from his various things that he's built in.
32:43 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But we see the difference between them and personality too, where he's in tears over the speech that Charlie's writing, and Rachel is already a little bit bitchy in a funny way at this point, I think.
32:57 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
32:57 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
32:57 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_03]: He's that kind of friend.
32:59 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:00 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we get to the rehearsal dinner and we're about to stop the anti-spoiler bid because this is where that happens.
33:08 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll just say I was surprised to find out at the rehearsal dinner that they're married.
33:13 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a good.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'm glad it wasn't the only one.
33:16 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wasn't sure that they were a couple at first.
33:20 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But then the later it is, I was like, well, what, who knows why with their mate of honor and best man also be married, who knew who first?
33:29 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say that is answered later.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That just becomes somewhat of a plot point later.
33:33 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Indeed, yes.
33:35 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: and one of the other speeches.
33:43 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the little details at showing that they are just also kind of assholes, but in the way that we're all kind of assholes, they're at this dinner that's supposed to be them tasting the menu.
33:54 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And you get the idea, this is not the first or maybe even second time they've done this, like they're saying,
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't make any more changes after this.
34:04 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This is really the last time you can change the menu.
34:06 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're like, oh, but we just need to taste one more ball of wine and they're complaining in the kitchen.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not a bar.
34:12 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:13 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the wedding planner, whoever was the caterer was definitely very frustrated.
34:18 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like going, you know, going to a winery and insisting on a lot of samples of wine.
34:25 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like just buy a bottle with you know, that's not what this is so yeah, so yeah, kind of taking advantage of.
34:34 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Low level as Holy Reed that I probably most of us have been guilty of some form of that in one way or another.
34:39 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_01]: 100% kind of low key selfishness, but like nobody's going to rest you over it.
34:46 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
34:46 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:48 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But then they get into a conversation about doing bad things and what is or is in bad and Rachel proposes playing a game of confessions.
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the point where things get really spoilery.
35:01 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to take a break in a second and then come back with a full spoiler discussion.
35:06 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But um, you are familiar with the bookie, let's go.
35:11 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am as a
35:14 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Now normally often, we are talking about like actual violence, you know, for example, Amazon score, right, right, but an important component to the Piquilla scale is also, and this is not that kind of movie.
35:29 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not going to see people, you know, gut it or whatever, but an important component of the Piquilla scale is also emotional trauma.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So with that in mind, how would you rate this film?
35:44 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to hear you answer that question first.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a good question.
35:49 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, so I do play the game.
35:52 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who doesn't know, we name the Puk-KL after Marilyn, who doesn't, you know, like that this sort of physical or emotional violence.
36:00 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do ask myself, what I recommend this to Marilyn.
36:03 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would say for this one, not necessarily, no.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
36:09 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's probably, it's probably three and a half or four out of five, maybe especially being on how you feel about what, what everyone shared and what they have to process.
36:24 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, I mean, I would say this, yeah, this is what you need to go in expecting a dark, you have, you need to be comfortable with a very dark sense of humor.
36:39 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you like to dig into the intricacies of human interaction, then yeah, I gave this film five stars I'll say if right now for me I haven't seen that many films yet this year, but this is one of only two films I gave five stars the other one being the bone temple and then for comparison, I have projectile Mary ranked third with four and half stars.
37:02 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very good.
37:05 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you and I are some kind of simpotica on that one for sure.
37:09 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I, yeah, I mean, I love what it is you and I are here to do.
37:16 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's to talk about this movie.
37:18 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I love movies and that, you know, and it does it very well.
37:21 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_03]: So.
37:22 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, it's time for us to stop playing coy, but we'll take a quick break, give you time to slip away.
37:28 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are not ready to hear the full spoiler discussion,
37:45 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we are back to spoil it all.
37:48 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So make sure that you are you going going gone.
37:52 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here is your full content warning before we launch into the actual discussion.
37:58 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There will be lots of dark humor, which means that we will be laughing about jokes related to gun violence, but also so much more.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Gun violence is the one that people get stuck on.
38:09 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Although a lot of people say that's not the worst confession in this movie, so we'll discuss that as well.
38:14 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I did reference a bleakly, there was especially a TMZ article that released before the film came out that spoiled the twist for many, because it says, calling my massacre parent pissed over plot and people like, well, she's, I'm so glad I didn't see that line.
38:30 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I did try really hard to stay away from media around this film.
38:35 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah i did see that there were spoilers going around reddit but i intentionally i was like no i really like that they're not spoiling it for us.
38:42 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah don't want to know until i see it
38:45 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so when we got this round of confessions, I was so shocked by what it was actually was, but then it like made sense.
38:53 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, of all the things I thought it might be.
38:56 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so just to set up the round of confessions, Mike, the best man, it starts with him, with with Rachel, of course, being like, Mike, say the awful thing you did.
39:06 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to set the table in that way, because I think it's important to establish that it is Rachel, who against the will of her husband said, Oh, you know, yes, we played this game.
39:20 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine to say, but then to say, go ahead Mike, tell them, tell them and he's like, no, I'm not, you know, he was like, no, I don't want to do this.
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to share.
39:30 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And she was just, yes you do, yes you do, other than, you know, and I, she said if you don't, I will, and I'll make it sound worse.
39:37 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I just thought she was a complete rich, you know?
39:41 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_03]: This conversation would not have happened if she wasn't such a bitch about, hey, yeah, yeah, if you don't tell that I will, I mean, oh my God, who does that?
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I felt she was really bitchy.
39:51 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, um, there's been some fun reviews of this one and one of my favorites is all it says is all my homies hate Rachel.
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:01 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I would be one of those.
40:03 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:03 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_03]: She's, she's my, you know, antagonist in this movie.
40:06 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:08 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so she forced her phone, yes, she forced this conversation, yes, so she's like, this is what Mike and I did the night before our wedding and so we have to do it now and so she forces Mike to tell this story where he used the next girlfriend as a human shield when they were attacked by dog, which is like, oh god, that's not good Mike, that's not good.
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I know it's not good.
40:35 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Rachel doesn't want to say hers until everyone's like, come on, you can't do that.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't just start this and not tell us.
40:42 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:43 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Just embarrassed here husband.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And so hers will come back to hers.
40:50 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was that she locked a quote unquote slow neighbor kid in an RV pantry overnight and didn't tell anyone luckily he was found the next morning.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's what we're dealing with on the Rachel front.
41:06 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlie, he says that he was that he cyber bullied a kid who's entire family moved away.
41:13 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the moving away was unrelated unsure.
41:17 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He definitely cyber bullied, but then Rachel's like, oh, he's disqualified because he was
41:27 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't get that excuse, and we find out that she planned, but did not go through with a school shooting.
41:35 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So, before we get into Emma's gets the most dissected throughout the film that entire situation as makes sense, but in general, what did you think when you first heard this series of confessions?
41:49 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we've already just established how I feel about Rachel and the start of this entire conversation.
41:54 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_03]: But I, yeah, I have much judgment about what Rachel did, but I also have judgment, I think they glossed over.
42:05 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_03]: what Charlie did.
42:07 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, and again, this speaks to what each of us bring, what personal experience and experiences we bring to this conversation among the four of them.
42:16 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so I have seen victims of, you know, cyberbullying.
42:20 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I took what he confessed to quite seriously.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm like, oh, that's kind of bad.
42:27 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_03]: But it was, it was really remarkable in
42:34 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_03]: admit to something like that.
42:36 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was, you know, I didn't see it coming.
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I really didn't have any idea.
42:40 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, going into it as blind as I want, but, you know, they kind of brushed over those three, and then when they got to Emma, you know, and said that I'm like, oh, okay, that's going to be a game changer.
42:52 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you knew right away.
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, that it was.
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_03]: What about you?
42:57 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, of course, the focus was I knew that the confession and question was going to be Emma's I had seen that much of a spoiler.
43:06 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, and obviously, they set it up with her growing last.
43:09 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know it's going to be the big.
43:10 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, true true.
43:11 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:12 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of people.
43:14 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people are doing online that Rachel's about locking this low kid in the RV might be worse because the question is, and this is something that keeps coming back throughout the film, you know, where it's like, with jokes too, like, mentally challenged, could I didn't say this message.
43:33 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You said he was slow, but the question is,
43:39 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: if he hadn't been found in the morning, would she have even told someone or would she have let the kid just die in there?
43:47 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_03]: That's when I'm, that I definitely kept thinking that throughout the whole movie, the fact that what really was also disturbing was that when the father was coming around asking, you know, hey, you were, you know, have you seen my son?
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Where is he and she lied?
44:02 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was just, woof!
44:07 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, so yeah, I do.
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
44:10 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I was, you know, it was set up to where I wondered if Rachel would like ever confess.
44:15 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, we bring in the, you know, age or whatever, but, you know, she was probably scared to death and very frightened and ashamed of what she did, but not that the Rachel character ever expressed it that way.
44:24 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, so mm-hmm.
44:27 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:29 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we do, I mean, I think that it's for, and this is where the people who say that this film should not be talking about this, the topic of Emma's, you know, about school shootings, this is where I say that they are incorrect because what I like about this film is yes, it does it with humor, but it dives into the question of why would a kid do such a thing, especially one who seems like a well adjusted successful adult.
44:58 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so yeah, so it's really surprising and it's definitely a question on our society.
45:05 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_03]: We ask all the time.
45:06 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, why, you know, how, why would a team do that?
45:12 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_03]: What's their thinking process?
45:13 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_03]: How do these things happen?
45:15 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_03]: How do they go from point A to point B?
45:17 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's a great, you know, a great confession for that kind of conversation.
45:23 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we don't, yeah, as a society, we don't
45:28 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_03]: judge of these people nicely at all.
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's good.
45:34 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I will say, I know someone who was the neighbor of a shooter at one point and she's such a nice person, you know, she thought that he was such a loner and she kept inviting him, you know, to join for group events and things
45:58 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_01]: if he had accepted things like that and gone and gotten to know his neighbors, might that have changed things?
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then you have, we got to talk about Kevin.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You know that move, right?
46:11 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's the whole premise where, you know, someone is, he is an entirely just cool, smart, engaging, friendly, you know, teenager with family and others, except to his mom.
46:25 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And so,
46:27 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a lot of movies that have kept reminding me of a lot of adolescence.
46:33 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: adolescence.
46:34 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_03]: adolescence.
46:34 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_03]: No way with this could do this.
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's very top of all.
46:39 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I even went, I even went as far back as, you know, minority report, which, yes, was about the legal side of, can you actually arrest someone and put them away for a thought that they had?
46:51 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it was not random.
46:53 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It was based on some pre-cogs, but that was still a philosophical question.
46:56 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And even in the movie, Aaron Sorcons, the trial of the Chicago 7, you know, there's one of those things where, again, what was your intent?
47:06 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_03]: What was your intent?
47:07 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you really mean to, you know, have this happened?
47:09 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_03]: And Abby Hoffman's character, and he says, well, give me a moment.
47:18 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so it's definitely that age-old narrative about the inevitability of our character.
47:29 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, and can we change?
47:32 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:33 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we find out here the reason why she was planning it, I mean, considering it, planning it is because, yeah, first of all, one of the first things we hear is that Charlie is not only her first love, but it's her first crush.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And Rachel's like, that's weird.
47:50 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's like 30, 30, yeah, exactly.
47:54 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but then she just throws away like, I used to be ugly.
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So we hear that in the opening part.
48:01 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, okay, sure is in day, I'm sure.
48:03 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you see younger her, she wasn't ugly either.
48:07 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, she was, she wasn't outsider.
48:09 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: She was picked on.
48:10 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that, okay, that makes sense as a place for this to start.
48:15 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But then, so that also means she was lonely, you know, she had nothing better to do than to think about this and plan this.
48:23 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: She had no sense of community to give her a better way to channel.
48:28 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: that desired to do something and mean something.
48:31 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
48:31 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we also picked up to that, um, I don't think it's not that her parents weren't loving, but they were definitely absent.
48:39 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:40 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
48:40 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so she was a, she was an only child and quite, you know, alone a lot.
48:45 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
48:46 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and she says she grew up, and I'm not from Louisiana, but I've spent some time there, and I do think there is a big like hunting culture, gun cultures, not uncommon.
48:56 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I wear a group of Pennsylvania, also hunting country, a lot of people I know own Kyle and Michigan for me.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
49:04 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember talking having my grandfather was much more conservative than me.
49:08 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This is back when conservative meant something a little different
49:12 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: he was a hunter himself and you know when we would talk about gun control laws he was like well gun owners know to lock up their guns and it's just inconceivable to him that people just wouldn't automatically do that yeah yeah yeah but here we see her father we meet the father in the film he seems like a good responsible nice guy but he didn't think he needed to lock up his gun
49:42 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, again, it's the ocean he swims in.
49:45 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_03]: So you don't think of it from the outside.
49:49 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, of course, no one would be used a gun for anything other than XYZ and so forth and so on.
49:55 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if it's too early to insert this question, but I can't help but wonder if this would be even a higher, more intense conversation if it was a automatic weapon versus a rifle.
50:08 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, true, could be worse.
50:10 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:11 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I'm like, yeah, I'm like with a rifle really, what do you Yeah, but I don't know, you know, you're going in and wanting to shoot someone you Right, right, right.
50:20 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked up Louisiana's gun laws out of curiosity and it seems like now they're in the middle of the pack But I don't know this would have been 15 years ago.
50:27 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, not sure if that's changed at all So it really is could be anywhere USA
50:34 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and she also the other key thing is like they keep making the point because these shootings happen so frequently and they have been happening so frequently that's what planted the idea.
50:48 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
50:49 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely, you know, she does try to explain, you know, that it was, it was culture and iconography and a status in a way of, you know, seeing these visual images and hearing from.
51:08 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_03]: others, and she's trying to develop her own personality as we all do when we're teenagers.
51:15 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like mean girls, but in a weird different way, you find yourself aspiring to be like somebody else.
51:26 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_03]: She seems to see some of the performative, well, look how special I am and don't you see it.
51:37 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that it is common and kind of baked in to the American culture, as I'm sure we'll talk later about, yeah, yeah, I understand it.
51:51 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we find out, yeah, she was taking the gun out to the swamp and practicing.
51:55 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually why she's deaf in one day, even though she told Charlie.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She was born that way.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:00 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That was that was going to come out sooner or later.
52:02 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like some point her dad must know her dad must know she's deaf in one year now and didn't use to be right.
52:09 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of wanted to know.
52:10 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what did.
52:11 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_03]: The father.
52:13 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_03]: How did her parents react when she came home and like, oh, mom and dad, oops, I.
52:17 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm sure she didn't say how she thinks she can't hear too well in the other ear, but anyway.
52:22 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:23 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: right and then the final thing so that we hear from her side and again that's full unfolds over the course of the movie but we hear that another thing that attracted her was the aesthetics and that is the word that she uses that it looked cool you know that we see her there's some really funny sequences about her trying to film her video.
52:47 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:48 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so bad.
52:49 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
52:51 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_03]: There was definitely laughter during this scene because, you know, we've all been there in the sense that, you know, she's, I think she's recording like a manifesto if you are here now it's because XYC and, you know, whether even just what, you know,
53:09 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_04]: Lost connection here and I did so we went to the middle of it, it was just so relatable, so that definitely got some, some laughter in the, and yeah, when is the biggest laughs, where the biggest laughs it's so wrong with shout out to Susie your first, yeah, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god, god
53:33 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, you can see if she's looking for an identity, you know, she's got like the smoky black guy going wearing an army jacket, you know, like posing with the gun looking tough.
53:45 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is one of the things that Charlie starts to struggle with most after this until we see a mysterious, he's so he's his curator at a museum and his book turns up on his desk
54:03 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do we?
54:04 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we think bookstore Emma sent that to him?
54:07 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't give her enough credit for that.
54:10 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
54:11 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he takes it to a colleague and he's like, what's this?
54:13 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And people are like, I don't know.
54:15 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_01]: People are always sending you stuff, right?
54:16 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:18 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I definitely didn't think that Emma sent it.
54:21 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, who might have sent it?
54:23 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Rachel.
54:24 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if she did it backfire because I mean, I had the opposite effect because he starts to have fantasies for I sexy Emma and her gun.
54:34 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think, you know, I'm, I'm the Rachel Hader.
54:36 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, Rachel's in that book.
54:38 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
54:39 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good week, good week.
54:41 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also, yeah, it's funny to see, like, the Charlie's also making up excuses for her.
54:47 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to explain to Mike, and he tells Mike Rachel, like he's poking at Emma, and he's like, didn't you say your neighbor died and she's like, yeah, I mean, sure that was sad, but like I didn't see it.
55:01 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We weren't that close.
55:02 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So when he tells a story, her best
55:04 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: friend, guys, a friend, a guy, a guy, a guy or some traumatic, she saw it and the recreating it in the movie.
55:12 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it broke her.
55:13 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:19 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the, that's not the real reason.
55:21 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the thing that he can grapple with.
55:24 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the claim to, yeah, explain to other people.
55:27 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
55:28 --> 55:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
55:30 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we also find out why she ultimately didn't do it.
55:35 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And the short answer is another shooting happened before.
55:38 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_01]: She was going to do it.
55:39 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:41 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:41 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was so layered like an onion about this.
55:47 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think in the movie, there was a shooting.
55:50 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was at a mall.
55:51 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the victims was a student at her school.
55:54 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And so the school is,
55:57 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Dealing with it and bringing in a grief counselor and trying to coach and talk with all the kids and help them process it and through that experience she actually finds camaraderie
56:14 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_03]: in the group of teenagers who want to make something positive out of this, you know, and so that's where she ends up accidentally feeling belonged with the folks who are they anti gun students.
56:29 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's very ironic.
56:32 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, of course, Mitchell, I mean, Rachel, she's I suppose when they have, and they first come up, they're all like, Emma, you, oh, so you didn't do it because like you didn't want your thunder stolen by that other school shooting.
56:50 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:51 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we see more and more as it goes on that,
56:53 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Indeed, Emma saw the reaction to this classmate dying and it made her think twice.
56:59 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
57:00 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, at the end of the day, what she really wanted most was a sense of community and purpose.
57:06 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And now this new anti-gun campaign gave her that.
57:10 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So ironically, she's known to her father.
57:12 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_01]: She's known to her high school as the anti-gun advocates.
57:17 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_01]: She's my father's gun and through it in this
57:19 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, absolutely.
57:21 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's definitely an example that unless you actually lived through an experience and viscerally, you know, felt what it was to be an environment where, you know, they've lost a classmate in such a way and, you know, so I, you know, how much more we'll talk about it, but, you know, I definitely believed that Emma could be changed by that, you know,
57:48 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_03]: rock bottom in a way, I guess.
57:50 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
57:52 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:53 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So that leads into right after we find out what her confession is.
57:57 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: There's still, she's Emma's super drunk, by the way, and she also vomits on the table at that restaurant.
58:03 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's difficult and have enough to do with.
58:05 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But of course, I like, you don't know, she's, she vomits because she's drunk, but she also vomits because she realizes she shouldn't have admitted.
58:11 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
58:12 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:12 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And how many times has she's ever said that out loud even, you know, I, she's definitely someone that is kind of... Maybe not doctor to wait, exactly.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:20 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And so that, you know, your body can be like, you know, it's just emotional vomit in addition to I've had too much to drink.
58:28 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:29 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And Robert Pattinson's character is being very judgmental at first, at least.
58:35 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
58:36 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And how much of it is because he's British, I don't know.
58:38 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, well, I mean, I don't know.
58:40 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I've been seeing more judgment from American viewers, even then.
58:45 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:45 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it is a natural thing to be judgmental about it.
58:50 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we should be like, that is a bad thing.
58:53 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:53 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad you didn't do that, but it is also bad that you
59:00 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is definitely, and I fully understood how deeply he was reacting and how confused and scared he was hearing that, you know, in my life, I've had experiences like this where, you know, again, I really, really, really thought I knew someone who was extremely close to me.
59:23 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And I heard something that
59:27 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_03]: was a game changer, you know, initially I was like
59:31 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I did not know this about you, the fact that you even have those thoughts, who are you?
59:38 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so I really understand, you know, where Charlie was coming from, that was a really difficult thing for him to grapple with.
59:46 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't rather clumsily, but I really understood how hard that was for him to still, you know, love this person, that hasn't gone away, but who are you, you know, yeah, I do
01:00:01 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But he, too, his credit, he's not just like, let's call it all.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still like, let's move forward.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But they still, it's the week of their wedding.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So they have all of these appointments.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's paid for or done.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_03]: He's set up, yeah.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, cut to, I mean, he's to the point where he had a coffee mug with a gun joke on it, like a coffee or a whole shoot or something like that.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he gave me my coffee before I shoot.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, something like that.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: right and then we cut it like we see he's so uncomfortable he's throwing this mug away um oh she catches it but then we cut to the wedding photographer played by Zoe Winters who's always brilliant but she was perfect in this and she just had this like smile bastard on the whole time wondering why this couple that's getting married is so awkward with each other and she's
01:00:51 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It opens with like she's like, okay, first we'll shoot you and then we'll shoot you together and then we'll shoot your family and then like What about your grandparents?
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we shoot your grandparents?
01:01:01 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They're saying okay TBD on shooting the grand This is when the in my entire theater We lost yes, yes, 100% I hope many recognized Zoe winters from succession.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_03]: She was the final assistant
01:01:15 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_03]: To Brian Cox's character, and she could be really good at just having that really big smile and being annoying and not understanding, you know, why people are reacting to what she's saying, so that was a really great character.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it was, it was swirly.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Every time she would say the word shoot, you could just see their faces.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm flinching.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this whole sequence was great too, just with like, this is where we get the peak intrusive thoughts were like, she thinks, you know, he's talking to Mike about planning to kill her or something, like, yeah, he's seeing himself walking around with with her as like this child, like he's thinking about this child who.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Plan this thing, you know, and yeah, I thought that was also a really great way of editing like we talked at the beginning, um, you know, because you do, you He was picturing himself not with the current Emma that he knows but he's now picturing what her at 15 must have been like and so to have it edited in a way that he's now even currently like I'm gonna go and
01:02:22 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_03]: get a cup of coffee after the meeting with the photographer something and he's just like I am not with this Emma that I thought I knew but I am with that 15 year old you know who is scaring a rifle with her all the time yeah so right it's like oh my god yeah
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I must have been fun for the 15-year-old to shoot.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know, right.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Using that word, right, to film.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, yes, to film, to do scenes with.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I know.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting for Robert Pattinson, too.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but this things only escalate from here.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's take a quick break.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And when we come back, we're going to talk about what happens next.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And how that throws a wrench in all of these morality plays.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Be very back.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's talk about the next bad things that everybody does.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, there's a list.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have, let's let's first talk about the other thing that Emma does, her and Rachel.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have Rachel, she's like taking this whole thing the worst for some reason, even though everyone thinks that she's the other person who did the worst thing out of all the
01:03:54 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, which I guess, yeah, hip-hop or C, when is that not a thing?
01:03:58 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and she apparently was working on a project for Emma's company publishing house, whatever bookstore wherever it is, her book thing.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, we're just writing an essay or a chapter or an editor of something.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or P.R.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They she were Rachel works in some sort of fancy office.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had the idea maybe she was like P.R.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good call.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she Emma at some point before this was like, oh, we got to hire my friend Rachel to do this and now Rachel has just stopped responding to Emma on a personal level, but is also stopped responding to professional emails from both Emma and her
01:04:39 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And Emma's boss comes over and is like, what's up with Rachel?
01:04:44 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you want to, you know, get in touch with her?
01:04:46 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be right now, she says.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But Emma's like, nope, it's all off.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Forget it.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not going to do it.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of basically just, you know, Yeah.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's best we just sever the professional relationship right now.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: right so basically like fire her which to be fair Rachel was not being professional by not responding but the boss said you know like you can take a day rate you know maybe Rachel needed a moment to react to this yeah and you're getting married in a few days and you know the off-clearly the deadline wasn't like in 24 or 48 hours so yeah but no she Emma was very confident saying yeah I think it's best that we
01:05:24 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think that was shitty of Emma and the other thing, you know, we leave established, we don't like Rachel, nobody likes Rachel.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think Emma, I don't, I don't think Emma likes Rachel at all, you know, I hate it because it's a career, you know, because I think Charlie and his, the best man, they were friends first.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And so talk about that more when we get to the speech.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very good.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but yeah, so I think Emma was like, yeah, I really didn't kind of want to work with
01:05:53 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I mean, I think I'm a did want to work with her, but now she's just so like what is Rachel going to say?
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: She, well, yes, that's very true.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, good call.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other thing though, so I was saying that we've established we don't like her, but the other thing in her defense is that she has a stronger reaction, although it feels her reaction does feel performative, but she does have a cousin Samantha who was a victim of a mass shooting like this.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, she was a survivor and paralyzed.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's very real to Rachel, you know, she had, she know someone in his close with someone or someone who's in her family, you know, who could have died from that and life was changed for her forever.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_03]: So it is understandable how strongly Rachel reacts to the confession.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So on the cringe scale, how cringe was it when Charlie stopped Samantha in the street?
01:06:54 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, you, you would love Emma.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Please let Rachel go to her wedding.
01:06:59 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Very high cringe.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, dude.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, you are just no walk-a-wet to stop.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Stop talking, you should keep going.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was just, you know, he just wanted to do his best to patch things up and what he was asking of her was so inappropriate.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_03]: He had never met her.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_03]: He approached her.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, look.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, no, she's because she's because she was in a wheel in the wheel chair.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was right.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_03]: He happened to be right, but you know, oh, are you going in that building?
01:07:29 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're in a wheelchair might you be seeing Rachel?
01:07:33 --> 01:07:34 [SPEAKER_04]: You're like your her cousin.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, no, high on the cringe.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but it was funny.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:39 [SPEAKER_03]: But it was funny.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was funny.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was funny.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was by far not the worst thing Charlie does in the lead to the wedding.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Not at all.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you want to set up what happens with his colleague, Misha, played by Haley Gates?
01:07:53 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so again, a good working relationship and so forth.
01:07:57 --> 01:08:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's clear to me, at least at this point, that
01:08:00 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Charlie needs to talk to someone about this which I mean he talked to Mike he could talk right though and he did yeah which is Rachel's husband but you know yeah so yeah so you know Charlie was very he wanted a second opinion definitely 100% so I think they're you know in the lunch room if you will if I'm using him and
01:08:20 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_03]: He said, you know, can I just throw a hypothetical out at you, you know, what would you do if, you know, maybe your boyfriend said, you know, and just kind of sets it up and then gets more and more and more and more, because she does have a boyfriend, and he believes that they establish an, you know, and, and so he kind of leads her into, well, you know, why, if he said that maybe, you know, when he was a teenager, he actually planned a school shooting.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_03]: and she's like, but done, that's it, kind of cut them off, you know, she knew, you know, how she felt about that and so forth.
01:08:55 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_03]: But the conversation that we're having, she was empathetic enough, but I think her, her conviction, her certainty, you know, made him feel a certain way, but
01:09:13 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_03]: The idea that, oh my God, I know maybe I should just cut this off with Emma and she is a horrible person Just like how you said you might do with your boyfriend and he just starts crying.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the emotional release.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:25 [SPEAKER_03]: He's so confused.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't know what to do and Like Many men They don't know how to process really intense feelings and they tend to sexualize them.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And so as she's kind of giving him a hug as he's crying, you know, and just saying, Oh, and she also confesses, she also confesses that her worst thing is cheating on someone is cheating.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, because he did he did explain the premise of how this even came came up and she's like, yeah, no, I, I cheated.
01:09:55 --> 01:10:00 [SPEAKER_03]: you know on on someone and so yeah so that's that's definitely in the back of his back.
01:10:00 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh here's someone who probably wouldn't tell I don't think he thought that through at all but yeah so he does end up you know kissing her and you know we're big open her shirt but I went back out of big land.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah the buttons are flying everywhere and afterwards she's like he ripped my shit right dude you know it wasn't just a case it was just
01:10:23 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Just lunge, you know, that kind of thing.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, so I was just like, oh dude, you're us.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
01:10:32 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Not only again, a bit of a slime ball, but again, it just reiterated to me how both these characters Charlie has a really hard time processing it.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:44 [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have anyone he can talk to.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not very comfortable talking about his feelings, especially if they're painful ones.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Emma, which maybe we'll talk about later, but she's not, she's, I don't think she's really processed.
01:10:54 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_03]: She's stuffed down, you know, what happened, what she was like as a teenager and so
01:10:59 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I wasn't surprised that, you know, that he sexualized the situation, um, but I'm like, dude, you know, really, but like Emma, he, so he, he kisses her and then he like flips around like he's gonna, you know, it starts fumbling with her skirt and then he like,
01:11:23 --> 01:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And he starts himself.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, exactly.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's okay that he stops himself.
01:11:30 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that, but also to Emma, but what's yeah.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then me, she later, she is pretending that she stopped it when she totally, I think she would.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she probably would have kept going.
01:11:42 --> 01:12:00 [SPEAKER_03]: she was, she was into it and she was like, what the fuck, when is to, yeah, yeah, I probably would have been not here, you know, because again, that's where you're like Robert Pattinson, but, but, yeah, so yeah, neither were very truthful in their understanding and retelling of what happened.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was the question I raised at the end of my letter box review that you said is kind of part of the crux of the movie is what is worse?
01:12:10 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What Emma didn't do 15 years ago or what Charlie didn't do the day before their wedding.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as I was watching the film, I was like, dude, again, the premise of the film, how could you compare planning a soul shooting to anything else?
01:12:29 --> 01:12:30 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He fought this way, he was vulnerable this way, he'd lunched a woman, didn't think twice, about cheating on his fiance two days before the wedding.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:47 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're like, ooh, so, you know, for me it was pretty, which was worse.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, dude, you're more a high ground, not too much.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I think that that actually does change it for him as he realizes he Yes, he's lost his moral high ground exactly.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because yes, the overall the thing that Emma was was planning is worse But he went further than she did like she was practicing with a gun in a swamp and making videos You know, he actually kissed someone and almost you know
01:13:16 --> 01:13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: had sex with her was fumbling with her skirt.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was, and they made Rachel made such a big deal about how it didn't matter what he did when it was 14, but this is yesterday.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:28 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So as a, as a fully, you know, as an adult, you know, you, you just like, oh, ooh, opportunity.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So no, I, I, I, I definitely held it that it even
01:13:44 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So then we get to the wedding itself.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and we didn't mention, we didn't mention the DJ.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
01:13:52 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, please talk about this whole DJ situation.
01:13:57 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So at some point, they are out, and they see the DJ that they've hired, and who they believe is the DJ that they've hired.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of ambiguous at the end, whether because she claims it was not her, they're like it was definitely her.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: smoking crack or something.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, smoking heroin, you know, with a couple other people outside of an apartment building.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what Emma believes she saw.
01:14:23 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and they're like, yeah, doing that on the street is a certain level of doing that, you know, right, even was it must be an adage if you're out in the open doing this.
01:14:32 --> 01:14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so this is actually what triggered the whole confession's conversation because, you know, Emma was defending her at the time at the dinner, you know, where they had the the whole confession conversation, um, she's like,
01:14:46 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, it doesn't matter, you know, she's just going to be our wedding DJ doesn't matter.
01:14:51 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_03]: If she's been professional, yeah, and she's been professional about it and everything.
01:14:55 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, so long as she's doing the job, we've hired her to do.
01:14:58 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And hey, you know, maybe it was just that one time.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as she's so she's there and she's setting up and she plays one of her own songs while she's testing the system and it's actually the best song in the movie.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm right.
01:15:14 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And Emma's enjoying it and you can see there's like, oh, what's only one of the DJ who has the good music, but then when it comes to firing her Emma winds up being the meanest.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's because like we saw
01:15:28 --> 01:15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw she had a temper, but do you think she's also like trying to be like, see I'm not the only bad one.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: She did something bad too.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, no, 100%, 100% I think a lot of that is projection, you know, because I would imagine Emma and I don't remember again a second watch will help clarify, but I don't remember how angry Emma was.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:54 [SPEAKER_03]: She definitely felt ashamed and scared about what she confessed to and how people around her were dealing with it.
01:15:54 --> 01:15:54 [SPEAKER_03]: But
01:15:54 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's got to be a part of her.
01:15:56 --> 01:15:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I keep bringing this up.
01:15:58 --> 01:16:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Rachel, why'd you even bring this up?
01:16:00 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
01:16:15 --> 01:16:18 [SPEAKER_03]: That's just her outlet, her anger outlet for that.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_03]: So I definitely feel that the DJ who may or may not have done heroin was Emma's projection and her, she just happened to that DJ happened to be on the receiving end of a lot of anger and judgment that Emma found that she was getting.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, deflecting.
01:16:41 --> 01:16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:16:41 --> 01:16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Deflecting.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
01:16:44 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so they fire the DJ and they get the new one, who I guess is funny, it's like my other favorite review that I saw was it was a spoiler mark to review so I click the spoiler and it's like I can't believe that twist the DJ works with one of the servers before
01:17:04 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: it's like really okay he says I don't it's so like difficult to explain why that's funny if you haven't seen the film but if you have it was like what are the funniest things and I think that's a good oh man it's like okay okay you're really reaching the straws here you know oh my god
01:17:26 --> 01:17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be surprised if on and sleigh you hadn't where you had in the service.
01:17:30 --> 01:17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if you were in a wedding day.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And that whole wedding planning duty there.
01:17:35 --> 01:17:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you probably all know each other pretty well.
01:17:38 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little detail it's like I don't I didn't get to go back.
01:17:42 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to pay more attention or you know I need to look up the transcript or whatever when it's available to watch at home But his whole thing like he does he lists his whole gear setup to Mike who again like Mike's the best man So Charlie's like I'm dealing with all this you deal with the DJ situation and he's like listing all of his his specs and stuff and his setup and Mike's like
01:18:06 --> 01:18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: okay he's like well if you know if you're a gear head which is by the way another term for hair when you're um that's a pretty weird setup and apparently people on Reddit have said it is weird setup I need to pay attention but it's just like these stupid little details oh my god yes he was so the new DJ was just so strangely specific in a way that just went right over my head
01:18:32 --> 01:18:34 [SPEAKER_03]: whatever, just set up.
01:18:34 --> 01:18:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Go, just don't care.
01:18:35 --> 01:18:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he didn't get the him the wire as he was asking for though.
01:18:39 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:18:41 --> 01:18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it just so seemed so like little and normally this would be the stuff that would be consuming you in a wedding.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But everyone else is like, I don't care.
01:18:50 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Just
01:18:51 --> 01:18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do we make sound come out and distract people?
01:18:54 --> 01:19:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that DJ was very like Cohen Brothers character or, you know, Christopher Gass who just you know, that one character actor who comes in doesn't have a lot of lines, but nails it.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like I'm annoying.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm weird.
01:19:08 --> 01:19:09 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was great.
01:19:10 --> 01:19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because meanwhile, we've got, of course, everyone's paranoid, Emma is especially getting paranoid, especially when she overhears me, should talking about a school shooting.
01:19:21 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If I don't know, do you think she was just talking about the hypothetical that was proposed to her?
01:19:26 --> 01:19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't seem to, she didn't know we find out that it was about Emma.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But Emma thinks, obviously, it's about her, so she gets
01:19:37 --> 01:19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She gets Charlie and she grabs Misha too and goes to confront Misha and Misha, of course, thinks it's about something else.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, we only kissed.
01:19:48 --> 01:19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what?
01:19:51 --> 01:19:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was definitely, I'm trying to remember.
01:19:54 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_03]: So we saw,
01:19:57 --> 01:20:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Emma really noticed that Rachel was whispering and, you know, going to talk in the tea with her, and of course Emma is paranoid and thinks, oh my God, she's telling her about how, you know, I confess to a school shooting at a yetta yah, and then when she's when Emma's in the bathroom and over here's
01:20:17 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, Misha talking about a school shooting or something.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that Rachel said anything to her and I, you know, no, because she was like, when when Emma said what it was really about, she's like, that was real?
01:20:31 --> 01:20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's how she finds out that Charlie did say something about it.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but no, definitely very rom-com sitcom, you know, where Misha comes in.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Miss understanding, Miss understanding, miscommunication.
01:20:45 --> 01:20:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it comes out where, you know, Emma thinks that, you know, Misha's upset about Emma being thinking about a school shooting when Misha didn't make any sort of connection to that.
01:20:56 --> 01:20:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, oh, we just kissed.
01:20:59 --> 01:21:03 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all, you know, because, you know, and then it's like, excuse me, that was great.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Emma, it's like, you did what?
01:21:08 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course Rachel is always there to make things worse.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she has shown up as a maid of honor.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it would have been better if she was weird.
01:21:17 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:18 --> 01:21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she she's like, I want to give my maid of honor speech.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like Rachel's maybe getting little toasted.
01:21:23 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is you're bringing up this speech earlier.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What is she saying this speech?
01:21:28 --> 01:21:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, what does she say in this speech?
01:21:30 --> 01:21:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember Alicia.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: This is where she was talking about the relationship where she was like, you basically was calling Emma Pathetic saying, I mean, we know Emma is not from Boston.
01:21:44 --> 01:21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She is from Louisiana.
01:21:46 --> 01:22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that explains this, but she, yeah, she basically asked her fiance's best friends wife to be her maid of honor because she didn't really have no anybody who didn't fit in.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but it seems like natural, you know, if she's recently moved to town, start stating this guy, you'd start tinging out with his best friend and his wife.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:22:10 --> 01:22:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Your boyfriend's friends become your friends.
01:22:12 --> 01:22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm.
01:22:14 --> 01:22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I, I think Emma thought it was a real relationship, but Rachel is obviously been judging her for the entire time.
01:22:22 --> 01:22:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:22:23 --> 01:22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course, now Rachel's like, and you got me fired from this job, which Ray Fair is honest.
01:22:30 --> 01:22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and of course, Emma's boss is there, too, witnessing all this that's going down.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:58 [SPEAKER_03]: especially when we get to Charlie's toast now how much do you remember my god again this is the climax cringe cringe absolutely it is like oh my gosh why did you even stand up to even agree to do this toast you know it just oh my god
01:23:00 --> 01:23:04 [SPEAKER_03]: He's erased everything in that sweet speechy road.
01:23:04 --> 01:23:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he couldn't remember a single thing about why they were in love and what they liked about each other and anything that happened and who they, you know, how they knew each other for those two years all he could have and his memory and that he could even
01:23:16 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: eventually bringing himself to talk about was what the last few days, you know, we're like in everything.
01:23:22 --> 01:23:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And so it was like, dude, no, you know, and I think didn't Charlie and his speech say something like, well, uh, she's great to have sex.
01:23:34 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he just got really awkward.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he brings up this next thing.
01:23:39 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we have a great sex life, you know, and you're like, don't blame her.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't do the school shooting.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what are the ones like, what, what, what school should we?
01:23:48 --> 01:23:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it just, it was word vomit.
01:23:50 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, I didn't mean, I am in love with her.
01:23:53 --> 01:24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean to kiss Misha and Misha's, you know, like, meethead boyfriend Blake is there.
01:24:00 --> 01:24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Comes up punches Charlie straight in the face.
01:24:03 --> 01:24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when the wedding just falls apart.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And Emma walks up.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:24:09 --> 01:24:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So that explains why Charlie looks the way he does at the end of the movie and on our posteracy.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:28 [SPEAKER_03]: He got the the the crap kicked out of him, you know, by Misha's boyfriend Blake and and you know, and of course it's fresh for Zendaya that Charlie has confessed to, you know, kissing a coworker.
01:24:28 --> 01:24:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So she's lived it.
01:24:29 --> 01:24:32 [SPEAKER_03]: She's now learned information about her now husband.
01:24:34 --> 01:24:38 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, it's it's it's it's very commonly just falls apart.
01:24:40 --> 01:25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean I thought it could be like because it's earlier when we're getting these these sort of intrusive thoughts fantasies that they're having there's one about their wedding turning into a bloodbath and like yes and you think for a moment might that happen but no it doesn't it's just turns into like yes okay it's not like it is not something very bad is going to happen which is great.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Like show but anyway
01:25:02 --> 01:25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: which I'm five episodes in and I love it.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
01:25:07 --> 01:25:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you finish it?
01:25:08 --> 01:25:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
01:25:08 --> 01:25:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I did.
01:25:09 --> 01:25:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I binge it for a weekend.
01:25:10 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:12 --> 01:25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I'm dying to go back to it.
01:25:14 --> 01:25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:15 --> 01:25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's the the there's something very bad is going to happen.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Does on the surface look similar to this because it's leading up to a wedding and there's a bad feeling.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But that one is much it's more it's horror.
01:25:27 --> 01:25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But it keeps changing every episode like every episode you think what's sub-shonere of horror is this and then it upends your expectations.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but again, it is the it's the same narrative that, you know, in terms of the aftermath and what you think about after the movie is.
01:25:45 --> 01:25:49 [SPEAKER_03]: how honest about ourselves are we?
01:25:49 --> 01:25:51 [SPEAKER_03]: How well do you know myself?
01:25:52 --> 01:25:55 [SPEAKER_03]: What act, what mask am I wearing?
01:25:56 --> 01:25:58 [SPEAKER_03]: With this person I'm supposed to marry.
01:26:00 --> 01:26:04 [SPEAKER_03]: The premise is still there because it's so human and so relatable.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:13 [SPEAKER_03]: There's things I wish I could tell you but I don't have the words or
01:26:25 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, at this point, like Charlie, he's been so shaped by his own behavior that I think as you say, he realizes he doesn't, he doesn't have the moral high ground here.
01:26:36 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And he actually does quite love this woman.
01:26:40 --> 01:26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I definitely believed that he didn't stop loving her.
01:26:46 --> 01:26:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just such a contradiction for him that he just did not handle.
01:26:50 --> 01:26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He needed to process and if it's not doing a good job with you and the timing was not ideal.
01:26:57 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_03]: No days before you're wedding.
01:26:59 --> 01:26:59 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
01:26:59 --> 01:27:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:01 --> 01:27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But he goes looking for Emma and she doesn't go home and, you know, he's like, he doesn't want to lose her.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then.
01:27:08 --> 01:27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: they find they go both go to their favorite diner for comfort both wearing like he's kind of like blood all over his tuxedo shirt is both eyes undone.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both just wearing like black in terms of winter puffer jackets over their wedding.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because she walked out.
01:27:22 --> 01:27:23 [SPEAKER_03]: She's mad.
01:27:23 --> 01:27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: She's a son or puffer coat and walks out of the wedding reception.
01:27:28 --> 01:27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:28 --> 01:27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But they come back to this shared space they have together and, you know, the woman who works there first is like y'all both look crazy, but whatever.
01:27:36 --> 01:27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then we draw like, how do you, you okay, can I?
01:27:43 --> 01:28:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And they discover each other there and and earlier in the film she had wanted to like let's try starting over and he's like this is stupid, you know, we're not going to pretend we don't know each other, but now he's ready to be like, okay, let's pretend we've just met from the start of yeah, yeah, it's it's very much, we start over, let's be real with each other.
01:28:07 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I now understand I've been through this experience and yeah, let's, yeah, let's just start over.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you think, do you think they'll make it as a couple after this?
01:28:20 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, I depends on how much therapy they each get.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, why don't say, okay, so this goes back to the something very bad's going to happen.
01:28:28 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, I'll just say, one point they are having, I guess, an engagement part or whatever.
01:28:33 --> 01:28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a they're having a party before they're wedding with their guests, right?
01:28:37 --> 01:28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone wants to give them advice and one person's like, you got to go through something really bad together.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, and she's like, well, what if nothing bad happens?
01:28:46 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're still two days don't worry.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But it makes me think in this case they did.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of go through the work they did together.
01:28:55 --> 01:28:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that's very true.
01:28:57 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean at this point, you know, she feels and I'm sure he thinks that I now I now know the worst thing about you, you know, and and she I'm sure feels that same way about you did what you kissed you, you know, yesterday and so yeah, they they've been through an absolute shit show together.
01:29:17 --> 01:29:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And they come out at the other end, you know, just bloody and dirty and exhausted and, you know, I definitely think they, they will stay together, hopefully they'll work through it.
01:29:32 --> 01:29:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I was rooting for them.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So I felt good about that.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that they, I don't think staying friends with Mike and Rachel.
01:29:41 --> 01:29:43 [SPEAKER_03]: is in the cards.
01:29:43 --> 01:29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, we don't know very much.
01:29:46 --> 01:29:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Mike seems like a good guy.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I mean, as long as Mike is married to Rachel, maybe Mike and Rachel need to get divorced.
01:29:53 --> 01:29:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:29:54 --> 01:29:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:29:55 --> 01:29:57 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so whatever.
01:29:57 --> 01:30:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, of course, you know, the family fall out because her parents and his parents, they will list all of this.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:06 [SPEAKER_03]: What is going on?
01:30:07 --> 01:30:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So they still have to kind of
01:30:09 --> 01:30:19 [SPEAKER_03]: deal with again, you know, they're, you know, why did you freak out Charlie and, you know, and Emma Honey, why are you so upset and angry?
01:30:19 --> 01:30:28 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so there's definitely some family fall out, but I feel pretty good that, you know, and we're all of their, and their colleagues were at the wedding, too.
01:30:29 --> 01:30:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:30:29 --> 01:30:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, they might be a fact, I think they need to like move out of Boston.
01:30:39 --> 01:30:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they need to move to another city.
01:30:41 --> 01:30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know they've got good jobs there, but I don't know.
01:30:44 --> 01:30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not after this.
01:30:45 --> 01:30:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, if I had my work colleagues and even my boss, I said, when reception was bad, nope, nope.
01:30:54 --> 01:30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking to get out of town and start over.
01:30:58 --> 01:31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, great film.
01:31:01 --> 01:31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Great film, great film.
01:31:02 --> 01:31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So much fodder for the discussion.
01:31:04 --> 01:31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:31:06 --> 01:31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and any final thoughts on the drama?
01:31:10 --> 01:31:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I always like to say, why is it called the drama?
01:31:16 --> 01:31:20 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we definitely saw a lot of it.
01:31:20 --> 01:31:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there were some takes about how it was Rachel who was bringing the drama.
01:31:25 --> 01:31:27 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Rachel was the one that forced them into the conversation.
01:31:27 --> 01:31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Rachel was the one who was reacting so strongly.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Rachel was the one spilling the tea with everybody.
01:31:33 --> 01:31:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And Rachel, you know,
01:31:34 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think there was something I read or some discussion about, you know, is this also a story about how some people don't feel seen or relevant or feel in control unless they create drama everywhere they go, you know, and Charlie and Emma are not people who are like that, but Rachel I mean for her, again, to even who brings up
01:32:00 --> 01:32:04 [SPEAKER_03]: a conversation starter like that and forces her husband to confess to the worst thing he's ever done.
01:32:05 --> 01:32:12 [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't go around, if you don't aren't the kind of person that goes around wanting to create drama.
01:32:13 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I also see that in there as well.
01:32:16 --> 01:32:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there's just something about people in your sphere and I'm sure many, a lot of us can, there's that one person.
01:32:26 --> 01:32:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, have to be so dramatic, not everything, not everything is about you.
01:32:29 --> 01:32:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, will you please just chill out, you know?
01:32:32 --> 01:32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, and she is so completely untrustworthy because presumably when they did the confession game, her, you know, they promised to never ever speak again.
01:32:43 --> 01:32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
01:32:45 --> 01:32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And here she is like, oh, you tell them, we're all going to tell, I'm going to hold your secret over you for the rest of your life.
01:32:51 --> 01:32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's, oh.
01:32:53 --> 01:32:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:32:54 --> 01:32:54 [SPEAKER_03]: So,
01:32:54 --> 01:33:12 [SPEAKER_03]: It definitely was the drama that a couple went through, you know, explicitly and implicitly leading up to their wedding, but it's also this tendency of many in our friendships and our cultures and our interpersonal relationships, like someone's always bringing in the drama.
01:33:13 --> 01:33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'll just say my my final thoughts in the film are that I understand why some people are offended by it and I hope I hope if you were one of them you didn't listen to this far because I'm sure we would have offended you further.
01:33:29 --> 01:33:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We both obviously did find this quite funny a lot of people did and I honestly like.
01:33:36 --> 01:33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I like dark comedies like this because, you know, go back to that hope punk thing I'm always bringing up, but I talk about confronting the darkness of reality because that's the only way to you can't fix problems that you pretend don't exist.
01:33:51 --> 01:33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:33:52 --> 01:33:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:33:54 --> 01:34:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciated the the question that it raised and the, you know, the the window that we're able to look into, you know, to see that,
01:34:06 --> 01:34:12 [SPEAKER_03]: vitally important and, yeah, dark comedy is a great way to kind of handle that.
01:34:13 --> 01:34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:34:14 --> 01:34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:34:14 --> 01:34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And just to, and I think it was smart of them to cast someone who's so universally likable as Zendaya.
01:34:21 --> 01:34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you had the wrong person in that role, the person might have become tainted by the role, but because Zendaya comes across as such a
01:34:34 --> 01:34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: um you just you want to root for her character and it blends this extra olive branch of like okay i'm going to try to understand where you're coming from yeah you do not accidentally cast Robert Pattinson and Zenia in this movie
01:34:51 --> 01:35:10 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, you know, what your audience is coming into this movie, thinking about those two people, and it would be interesting, you know, what if it was just a couple of, I don't want to say, you know, unknown actors or whatever, but with this, how I think the,
01:35:10 --> 01:35:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how my reaction would have been if it was two actors that I didn't know, but again, because a part of why this movie worked for me is I so much enjoyed and believed Zendaya and Robert Pattinson.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and their chemistry was fantastic.
01:35:27 --> 01:35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be like, if she, if I weren't, you know, rooting for her in her existing relationship.
01:35:34 --> 01:35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:35:35 --> 01:35:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm loving those little interviews that they're still doing, you know, where the reach, because both are in the both actors are in committed relationships and, you know, and so they definitely are being asked.
01:35:48 --> 01:36:07 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, by interviewers, you know, what their thoughts are about, you know, marriage and relationships, and you know, what advice would you give, and all of that kind of stuff, and it's been interesting to see how they kind of open up and tap dance around those questions in real life, so.
01:36:07 --> 01:36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So Zendaya and Tom Holland, there's rumors they have secretly gotten married.
01:36:11 --> 01:36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
01:36:12 --> 01:36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your name.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe they're married.
01:36:14 --> 01:36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe so too.
01:36:16 --> 01:36:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, 100%.
01:36:17 --> 01:36:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she actually, in one of the interviews, again, because my TikTok for you page feeds me.
01:36:23 --> 01:36:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Go figure.
01:36:24 --> 01:36:31 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of these conversations, you know, but I think in one of them, she does say that.
01:36:31 --> 01:36:35 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's why she married Tom Holland, et cetera, et cetera.
01:36:35 --> 01:36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, she said something about like I met my person.
01:36:38 --> 01:36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So young that she wasn't forced to deal with some of this stuff.
01:36:42 --> 01:36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:36:42 --> 01:36:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:36:42 --> 01:36:45 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I definitely believe they got married in completely understandable.
01:36:46 --> 01:36:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's way they've, you know, on understandably and and skillfully conducted their public.
01:36:53 --> 01:36:56 [SPEAKER_03]: facing side of their relationship for sure.
01:36:56 --> 01:36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not saying there is happy as they seem, 100%.
01:37:00 --> 01:37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope that half of the world is half as happy as they seem.
01:37:04 --> 01:37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's the better on it.
01:37:06 --> 01:37:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really like Robert Pattinson with his partner, who's named, who's escaped for me.
01:37:11 --> 01:37:16 [SPEAKER_03]: He's she's, I know her from Daisy Jones in the six, which I love so much, but they have a child together.
01:37:17 --> 01:37:21 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, they've been together for quite a while.
01:37:22 --> 01:37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good for them.
01:37:23 --> 01:37:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
01:37:23 --> 01:37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:37:24 --> 01:37:27 [SPEAKER_03]: So these are two health grounded people.
01:37:27 --> 01:37:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It seems, you know, actors, and again, it's, you know, what, yeah, it's great.
01:37:32 --> 01:37:34 [SPEAKER_03]: What they bring to this.
01:37:34 --> 01:37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder like how this is as a date movie.
01:37:37 --> 01:37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to hear stories from people.
01:37:39 --> 01:37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd be a great date movie, actually, because you would probably learn a lot more a lot quicker by going on an early date with someone on this, you and, yeah, I mean, but that's the question, if you're, if you're like, already married for years or if you're on a first date, I, doesn't matter.
01:37:55 --> 01:37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I almost think it's more dangerous if you've already been married for years.
01:37:59 --> 01:37:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
01:37:59 --> 01:38:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which, yeah, has, has happened to me.
01:38:02 --> 01:38:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah,
01:38:09 --> 01:38:11 [SPEAKER_03]: after the credits rolled in everything.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So I do, I think it's a great day movie.
01:38:14 --> 01:38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:14 --> 01:38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:16 --> 01:38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if anyone has any thoughts, they want to share about this movie.
01:38:19 --> 01:38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
01:38:20 --> 01:38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll be talking about in the future.
01:38:21 --> 01:38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm rooting for it in a word season, even though it's so early in the year.
01:38:25 --> 01:38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels unlikely, but things shifting.
01:38:27 --> 01:38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Things have been shifting.
01:38:28 --> 01:38:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like, you know, challengers of last year or so forth, you think that's really going to be.
01:38:32 --> 01:38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I like this a lot better than challengers personally.
01:38:35 --> 01:38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Not, but that's, yeah.
01:38:36 --> 01:38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know you really like challengers.
01:38:40 --> 01:38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, but it's a good comp because it was one that had a lot of people hoping for it's awards potential and then it just didn't.
01:38:48 --> 01:38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:48 --> 01:38:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:38:49 --> 01:38:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:49 --> 01:38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:38:52 --> 01:39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe this time because maybe it's the one to punch because both of them are people or actors that people are like, no, these are two of the most best actors of, I know, and you know, well, and the fact that they're in June together, which comes out in the end.
01:39:07 --> 01:39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Odyssey.
01:39:08 --> 01:39:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the Odyssey.
01:39:09 --> 01:39:13 [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, this they're going to be in front of everybody this entire year.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So in terms of just momentum, press momentum, it's on their side.
01:39:18 --> 01:39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:39:19 --> 01:39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think, yeah, at this point in the year, it's already off to such a start.
01:39:24 --> 01:39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We're we're just starting the second quarter and we already have two awards.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not be shocked if they wound up as best picture nominees.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be of the other one being Project Tell Mary, which I would say is even more likely.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that's up against doom.
01:39:39 --> 01:39:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Odyssey and disclosure day and yes.
01:39:44 --> 01:39:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Banner here.
01:39:45 --> 01:39:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Strong start to the year.
01:39:47 --> 01:39:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Very strong.
01:39:48 --> 01:39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Start to the year.
01:39:49 --> 01:39:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I know the box office, you know, they've, it's been the best first quarter in the box office, it hasn't hit pre-COVID, but it's been the strongest.
01:39:58 --> 01:40:07 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been since COVID and, you know, so, yeah, and I know we've talked as Laura Hounds about all the great television that's coming up and how we're gonna keep up with it.
01:40:07 --> 01:40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
01:40:08 --> 01:40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to think that, you know, films like sinners and one battle from last year are also feeling that where people are like, you know, it's worth going to the theater again.
01:40:19 --> 01:40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:40:20 --> 01:40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And weapons, too, because this, this is my favorite theater experience since weapons.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:32 [SPEAKER_01]: These are the movies that make me say, like, yeah, watching movies in the theater with a bunch of other people is great.
01:40:33 --> 01:40:34 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so true.
01:40:34 --> 01:40:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that about weapons.
01:40:35 --> 01:40:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you could not not laugh at the end, you know, when the children are, you know, who were going crazy after it was just hysterical, you know?
01:40:45 --> 01:40:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, it definitely, yeah, it definitely original work and it's worth going to the theater for a completely agree.
01:40:55 --> 01:41:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's lots else going on between now and the next Nord season, always looking ahead to a word season.
01:41:02 --> 01:41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to talk about you and your brother Brian and David have started a new spin-off podcast into the West and you've had your first episode in your first vote.
01:41:15 --> 01:41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you want to fill us in there?
01:41:16 --> 01:41:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely, into the West, a nod to Tolkien and the Nirvana that is considered for the elves in that story where they at the end of things, they head into the West.
01:41:31 --> 01:41:41 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have been losing such legacy performers, you know Robert Redford, Diane Keaton and others.
01:41:42 --> 01:41:48 [SPEAKER_03]: We kept having so many subscriber episodes about their films and the impact that they've had.
01:41:49 --> 01:42:03 [SPEAKER_03]: that Brian and I now will talk about that and really just kind of do a deep dive about who they were and how important they were to the industry and what impact they have had on our lives.
01:42:03 --> 01:42:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have done gene happen.
01:42:07 --> 01:42:10 [SPEAKER_03]: uh, is our first one up, though he died in 2025.
01:42:10 --> 01:42:22 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have gone over his filmography and we've put to a vote what movie of Gene Hackman's we should really take a deep dive into and that is the conversation, which is one of his earliest and greatest.
01:42:22 --> 01:42:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So we will be having that conversation as well.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:26 [SPEAKER_03]: So,
01:42:26 --> 01:42:42 [SPEAKER_03]: conversation about the conversation, the conversation about the conversation and so it's really great breaking down a lot of these old movies because I know a lot of us nowadays, you know, we'll look back and go, really, why was that such a big deal, you know, this movie in the 70s and does it really hold up?
01:42:42 --> 01:42:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, why was it that important?
01:42:44 --> 01:42:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's really great to really take a deep dive into some of those classics, those just award-winning movies and really dissecting
01:42:54 --> 01:42:55 [SPEAKER_03]: makes them so amazing.
01:42:55 --> 01:42:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of fun.
01:42:57 --> 01:42:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sad.
01:42:58 --> 01:42:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay fun.
01:42:59 --> 01:43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Sad, sad, but fun.
01:43:00 --> 01:43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to that.
01:43:01 --> 01:43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to that.
01:43:03 --> 01:43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Watching the conversation, I don't think I've ever seen it to be honest.
01:43:06 --> 01:43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's but it's a big gap in my viewing.
01:43:08 --> 01:43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I did vote for that one.
01:43:11 --> 01:43:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very good.
01:43:11 --> 01:43:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes.
01:43:12 --> 01:43:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very glad, you know, because as, you know, as I've joked unforgiven was one of the films in the poll and I would write that would have been second place for me, actually.
01:43:22 --> 01:43:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:43:22 --> 01:43:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I was keeping my fingers crossed that it wasn't going to be unforgiving because it's like talking to that podcast, you know, war films and westerns are not my genre, you know, I do like westerns.
01:43:33 --> 01:43:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:43:34 --> 01:43:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what's going to be next after?
01:43:36 --> 01:43:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Next we are going to talk about Catherine O'Hara, who we are so sadly and suddenly lost, and then after that it's going to be Robert DeVal.
01:43:45 --> 01:43:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, a couple of months ago.
01:43:47 --> 01:43:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're playing catch up right now.
01:43:48 --> 01:44:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know, so many still there's so many still and you know, I mean Al Pacino, Jack Nicholson and even some of our great directors, you know, Clint Eastwood, both actor and director, Mel Brooks, that kind of thing.
01:44:01 --> 01:44:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So we want to be ready to celebrate their achievements and celebrate their life and not just be sad when the inevitable happens.
01:44:11 --> 01:44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:44:12 --> 01:44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:44:13 --> 01:44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've got lots else going on on the lower-hounds main feed as ever.
01:44:17 --> 01:44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They're David and John are doing weekly coverage of the pit, which I think there's only two weeks left in that season.
01:44:24 --> 01:44:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, last night was the penult, please help me say that word penultimate.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
01:44:30 --> 01:44:33 [SPEAKER_03]: With the final season family next next Thursday.
01:44:33 --> 01:45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and we've just started a new season of Malshado Lord that is going to be mostly John and David again with some rotating third guess and I am dropping in weekly lore bombs because Moll is one of my favorite characters and I am the Starwords.
01:45:03 --> 01:45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And John and I are also recording this week and I had to delay for work reason and yeah we've just had stuff so this weekend I think we're going to record our wrap up on the live action one piece second season discussion so do check out our first three episodes we already discussed and released that episode so now we're going to do the wrap up and also coming up soon we're talking about scheduling because a lot of people want to participate in the project Hail Mary discussion so that's coming up soon as well.
01:45:32 --> 01:45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have thoughts about any of these things or anything else, we would love if you jumped into the conversation on our discord, you'll find that linked in the show notes and we have chat set up for the drama under movie threads for all of these other things that we've been discussing a channel under affiliates for into the West.
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01:46:13 --> 01:46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to do these for for the,
01:46:16 --> 01:46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: 11's episodes are movie club for subscribers anymore, but I just, I like it right here then.
01:46:22 --> 01:46:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, love Rob Riner and hopefully, yeah, when Harry Met Sally is my all-time favorite movie ever.
01:46:28 --> 01:46:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure the vote is here.
01:46:30 --> 01:46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me double check.
01:46:31 --> 01:46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure it's done and that one one.
01:46:32 --> 01:46:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh,
01:46:34 --> 01:46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh oh, voting ends in 10 hours and it's currently so it's gonna be done by the time this comes out But it's currently a tie between when Harry met Sally and Missouri So if that's the case, it'll be a lordown, which is a weird one to lordown again We'll see how this goes.
01:46:52 --> 01:46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my Okay, I'm gonna make sure I'm loaded.
01:46:58 --> 01:47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh
01:47:01 --> 01:47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if you make sure, I mean, if you're listening to this when this episode comes out, it's too late to vote in that poll, but watch out for the next one, next month, we'll be David's month.
01:47:12 --> 01:47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And also do checkouts, of course, are affiliates.
01:47:16 --> 01:47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We have properly Howard.
01:47:17 --> 01:47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We, they're just,
01:47:19 --> 01:47:26 [SPEAKER_01]: in the middle of their new movie season where they're watching movies one of them hasn't watched, so it's been eclectic but fun.
01:47:26 --> 01:47:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Never mind the music where psychology meets music.
01:47:30 --> 01:47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Radioactive ramblings, they have, they're doing double duty I think right now both invincible and the boys just started again, so not sure what their coverage plans are, but I know
01:47:46 --> 01:47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that brings us to our final thank you.
01:47:49 --> 01:47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to add music after the fact because I forgot to load it up.
01:47:53 --> 01:47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll be hearing music right now, but Lisa doesn't hear it.
01:47:57 --> 01:48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear it in my head like both things.
01:48:01 --> 01:48:03 [SPEAKER_03]: What's going on inside your head?
01:48:03 --> 01:48:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's exactly.
01:48:04 --> 01:48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: If there were projections of mine of my head, it would be music a lot of the time, like all this other random stuff talking over each other, but always right now it's actually relevant to this movie this song stuck in my head right now is
01:48:19 --> 01:48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's probably one people don't know it's from highs a kite since last Wednesday, and it's like the lyrics like he would never like buy a gun and keep on the house No, but no one has seen all heard from him since last Wednesday So it's actually very relevant to this movie and of course a lot of people have been shouting out pumped up kicks, but check out last when since last Wednesday, I think it is by highs a kite Anyway, noted
01:48:47 --> 01:48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be restarting the music now, so that I can give.
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