David and John discuss preeclampsia, wild births, epilepsy, toxic workplaces, and more in the season 2 finale of The Pitt.
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00:17 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Lower Hounds where one of us is an expert at swaddling babies and the other is allergic to karaoke.
00:25 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm David.
00:26 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm John, I guess you'll just have to guess which one.
00:30 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This is our coverage of episode 15, the season finale, season two of the pit.
00:37 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: on HBO.
00:39 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We might have some more stuff in the in the works and of course I think season 3 has been greenlit.
00:45 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So the email is going to be ptmc at thelorhounds.com.
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00:58 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't had to shut down IT hasn't told us to shut down our emails yet so we're okay.
01:03 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
01:03 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_03]: You can also find in the show notes there is a notion-based show guide where you can keep track of all the characters, including the patients, their conditions and their doctors and their nurses too.
01:15 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We can't forget about the nurses, on the pharmacists.
01:17 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And the pharmacists.
01:18 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not forget about the pharmacists.
01:19 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't forget about the pharmacists.
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: We can't forget about the pharmacists.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't forget about the pharmacists.
01:22 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone in some of the EMTs.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we just save a staff?
01:27 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Cannot, the work that Nancy put into this thing is, an almond all every week, like clockwork, she messages us on the discord saying that, you know, she's got everything up to date.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I was scrolling through the patient list today.
01:41 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was a tremendous amount of detailed work that she put into this.
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So Nancy,
01:48 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: As always, thank you so very much for all of your help and support and all of you out there in Listernland.
01:54 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You should go hit the link in the show notes and go check out the patient guide because we'll keep it around for season three.
01:59 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Nancy.
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02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're here David.
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_03]: We're at the finale.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we get right into it?
02:45 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_03]: What are your hot takes?
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm exhausted.
02:48 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_03]: That's my hot take.
02:49 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Like everybody is now.
02:50 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
02:51 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_03]: This we didn't have Mohan having a manic moment at the end of like I have to keep working.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say here.
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Right exactly.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the end of season one.
03:00 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing some thinking about the show today.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I did my second watch this morning.
03:05 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a blog post in the in the works as well.
03:09 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Because well, it's just really quick tangent.
03:14 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Rubinovich, al-Hashimi, and Abbott.
03:17 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all Abrahamic names.
03:20 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all, you know, names of from three great traditions.
03:25 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's just some interesting stuff going on there.
03:29 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I, did you, I think I read somewhere that Robin of it comes from Noah Wiley's, like one of his grandfather's names?
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really, okay.
03:37 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it didn't come out of nowhere.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He, like, sourced it from family.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
03:41 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Like that.
03:42 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's just this cool, I'll write it up in the blog post, but it's this cool multi-layered effect that's going on in the show.
03:51 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And while the show is like really grounded in realism and it's not manufactured television drama.
03:59 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like part of me when Langdon was turning out as pockets, I was like, oh no, with a curse badge, he used it to steal drugs.
04:06 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's like, right, that's like, that's not going to happen in this shop.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:11 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_03]: They just, I like that they were just like, come here often, you know, make make at least a little bit like that.
04:16 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
04:17 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a really great television.
04:21 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a drama on television, it's like not television drama.
04:24 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And it operates on these multiple levels as well.
04:29 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think the real trick of the season was something that you pointed out early on that it's not a big single trauma event like the pit fest shooting and season one it's I think Javadi pointed out
04:43 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the slow burn of what this job does to your mental health.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
04:49 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Kwan was like, peace I'm out and like, you know, I'm actually paying to be here.
04:54 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to stay here and watch all you suckers, you know, burn yourselves out.
04:58 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But the real drama of the season was the toll that this job takes on.
05:05 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: dedicated, committed, passionate, talented, smart people and just how it grinds them up and burns them down.
05:14 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you feel though that Javadi's pivot to emergency psychiatry was kind of out of love feel, though?
05:21 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit, I didn't feel like we got and they did not lay the ground, right?
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
05:26 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Like they, I feel like it was in the same episode there, like an episode before I guess.
05:31 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, your TikTok's pretty cool.
05:33 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all about like self-care, right?
05:35 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, we,
05:36 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to do that, you have to lay it earlier and maybe don't have her be the one that called down the psychiatry attending.
05:44 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
05:44 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_03]: With that, you know, pissed off the psychiatrists attending.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know if that was engaged.
05:50 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of things like we saw a Mohan being engaged with you, you know, older patients, right and taking the time to be with it.
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of makes sense.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that tracked.
05:58 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I get that, I get, what's his name?
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Whittaker, we wanted to go into rural medicine.
06:03 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I get, you know, joy explain why she wants to go and put the pathology, all these things.
06:08 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, and I think you could get there easily, which is a body, but it's a different thing or two more.
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where.
06:14 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there was a couple of deleted scenes.
06:15 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I heard there were a lot of deleted scenes of the season.
06:17 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, interesting.
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we miss something.
06:20 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
06:21 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
06:22 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, you have more hot ticks.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Keep going.
06:24 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:25 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But that, that, and I get that moment of clarity where a coworker or a friend or a family member just says something sort of off the cuff.
06:33 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, oh, you just cut right through to the truth of it.
06:37 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: When the truth is known.
06:38 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, it was still a cool scene for for that.
06:41 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So and then just the, you know, just constantly pointing out the level of humor that they weave throughout, which is again, a very realistic thing.
06:51 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just funny stuff.
06:52 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: People can be funny in your workplace, the jokes that
06:55 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Robby and Dana were batting back and forth and like your lungs wouldn't know what to do with fresh air like that It was really funny and it cuts that tension that they're all they're all dealing with and so again that that layered stuff I think my biggest hot take here and I was kind of seeing this heard this on another podcast a little bit too but maybe not with this much clarity is that
07:22 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and Langdon calls him out on this, right?
07:25 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, you know, I saw guys like you.
07:27 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're not being honest with yourself.
07:31 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But so yeah, we know that that's true.
07:35 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But we've talked about all season long is Robby's unequal treatment of staff and in his mentoring and if you're in his shadow, it's really cold, but when you're in the sunlight, it's really warm.
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This is abusive behavior.
07:47 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This is as if somebody is with a substance abuse or an alcohol abuse problem and you hear of survival or a family members who've survived through that, the way that a person
08:02 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: in that fatherly position.
08:04 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to, you know, that patril, patril, patril, patril, whatever.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Patriarch.
08:09 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Patriarch that, you know, that position and how you're kind of just hanging on their love, waiting for it.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You're waiting for the kind word.
08:17 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You're waiting for the the praise, but then you get, you know, a harsh word or something else.
08:26 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:26 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're never sure where you are
08:31 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really do think that, you know, part of his pattern of behavior is in that sort of abuse of why where he's absolutely.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
08:40 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, it's not violent abuse, but it's, um, it's not great.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's the fact that I think it's verbal abuse.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I, I, I, he definitely had a few instances of verbal abuse this season.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_03]: 100%.
08:51 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it wouldn't be the first workplace to have that.
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: especially in this kind of environment?
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, but nobody's holding him accountable, right?
09:00 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I think all Hashimi kind of calls him out on like, you do have uneven standards for people.
09:09 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And I, you know, I understand, but he was saying too in that conversation, I know we'll get deeper into it, but like, you know, well, I just made LinkedIn get better and then come back.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: But like,
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a good look.
09:20 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a good look for you to cover for one guy and not the other, right?
09:24 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Not for the woman, right?
09:25 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and the woman that you clearly, like, don't like personally.
09:31 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not great.
09:32 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe, you know, I wonder if we'll see that like Robby's wrong and they will let her work with a second attending working.
09:38 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll get there.
09:39 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to talk about that whole thing with Dr. Allashimi and stuff.
09:44 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we get this final shot of Robbie holding Baby Jane Doe at the Sun illustration behind him.
09:50 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's this very, you know, Arkansas back to, you know, paintings or mosaics of saints.
09:57 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, from Byzantine years and things like that.
10:01 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, who knows, that was just a little, you know, where they were just in there and they're moving around the camera and it just happens.
10:08 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter if it was planned or not.
10:10 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those things when a show is firing on all creative cylinders.
10:15 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is pulling in the same direction.
10:17 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That kind of stuff happens.
10:18 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: unplanned for and then it speaks perfectly.
10:21 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that Robbie is
10:25 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: a flawed individual and yet still they give us a saintly picture of him at the same time that he's sometimes a deck right you know it's it's just it's a fascinating you know show and and I think at the end of the season
10:46 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's news about season three and where when it's going to take place and who's going to be in it and all that kind of stuff.
10:52 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, that is it can all be smoke of mirrors, you know, who knows whatever.
10:56 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But that he's talking himself through talking to Baby Jane Doe.
11:10 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And saying it's going to be okay.
11:17 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: bad choices.
11:18 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think that the, um, I don't think the lead character of this series is going to die.
11:24 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I was never, that was never in question, frankly.
11:29 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But then that, you know, this, so interesting that Baby Jane Doe, this, this abandoned baby and Robbie and he's in the room where his mentor died and he had his breakdown and he sees him one and all this stuff.
11:40 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And Baby Jane Doe is this sort of spiritual totem, this throughline, this, this,
11:46 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: constant of a storyline.
11:49 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so fascinating and just so so interesting and how they brought up, you know, we're like, oh, it's going to happen with Baby Jane Doe and then, you know, the Baby Jane Doe storyline is it resolved?
12:02 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so emotionally cathartic and resolving in that moment.
12:06 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, one probably shows up in season three with a baby carrier on him.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It would be great.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's done the kinship adoption.
12:12 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't think he's doing that, but.
12:14 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not.
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly.
12:16 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, dude.
12:18 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to have a new kid.
12:21 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, that's just a lot of messy thoughts.
12:23 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a messy episode in a lot of ways.
12:28 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We only had really one real patient.
12:31 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We had a DB and chairs, but that it just, and as I was doing my notes, there were times where I was just sort of on the edge of tears.
12:43 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And not tears, but very verclampt.
12:46 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just for a climb to the whole time, as I was watching this.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: pretty pretty phenomenal.
12:52 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's um, you should give your hot takes that I'm going to look something up.
12:55 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a podcast that I have to shout out in just a second about it from an Australian podcast where there's a woman who haven't listed here.
13:05 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I don't have the actual I never got around the right the citation.
13:09 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, what's your hot takes and then I'll tag that when we get to.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say, first of all, overall on the season,
13:18 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_03]: season one was better than season two.
13:21 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It just was in every way and interesting.
13:23 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
13:24 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the reason is Robbie is the best and worst part of this show.
13:30 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He is the best part of the show when he's the core.
13:34 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_03]: But the overuse of Robbie this season, inches out much focus on the other characters, detracted from the ensemble cast, and detracted from the storytelling.
13:45 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
13:45 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought we were gonna get more with a lot of characters that we didn't and we did a lot of hyper-fixating on Robbie and we're gonna have a lot of focus on Robbie.
13:54 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_03]: He is the main character, right?
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the main focus of the show, he's the attending.
13:59 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But it can't only be about robbing, and I'll be honest, I've been looking at some of the interviews with Noah Wiley lately, and I think I see why.
14:09 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I think I think Noah while he's going not through a bit of an ego trip right now.
14:13 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you think so.
14:14 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not great.
14:15 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody apparently George Clooney had said, like, oh, yeah, I'd love to hop on the pit, you know, reprise my ER, you know, you know, really the old ER days.
14:25 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And Noah while he was like, oh, maybe he should have invited me to a movie over the years.
14:30 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, there was humor in there a little bit, but that was like 80% spite, right?
14:39 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... it wasn't great but like that one the only thing it's like he he was talking weird stuff about like people shouldn't leave the show because it's a surfboard on a springboard and like yeah like all this weird stuff and i think having him in the writing room may be a problem i just think i i i think this is a man who expected to do better after he are
15:04 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_03]: and didn't and he has his flowers now and he deserves them right like he deserves his flowers for his performance.
15:11 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But he shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the whole cast got him to wear his not just him and I I do worry that we focused on Ravi so much the season that we had trouble.
15:26 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_03]: getting much out of anybody else.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_03]: What did Mel do this season?
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_03]: She had a deposition.
15:31 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_03]: She came back with her tail between her legs.
15:33 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Then she freaked out about her sister.
15:35 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we really get many like heart to heart moments with her?
15:38 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And I would do we get, you know, you do we get much out of length and other than him just going on as a apology to her?
15:45 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Mohan.
15:47 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Mohan was just, oh man, that's a whole other thing.
15:50 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think what you're talking about it now, like she's getting shoved out.
15:52 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like she got, she's not going to be in season three, and it doesn't seem like that was originally the plan either.
16:00 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew that there were story stories in the news.
16:03 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not read or tracked any of it.
16:05 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I just know that there's a lot of fraud around it right now.
16:08 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_03]: She's not in season three.
16:10 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Ellis is going to be coming in for a while.
16:13 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:13 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But we knew that.
16:15 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But I knew that Moanne was the actor was leaving, but that there's
16:21 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: stuff around that.
16:22 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_03]: There seems to be some uncomfortableness with it.
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't, I really like my hand as a character.
16:28 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I, I thought that was an interesting character exploration and I don't feel satisfied with where we ended up with her.
16:35 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I, I really liked this season, I'm just saying like I think that they need to recalibrate a little bit for season three.
16:43 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
16:43 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_03]: They need to get no whiley acting and doing a little bit less of Ellie, you know, let him let him pitch ideas to the writers and everything and let him write dialogue that he wants to.
16:53 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_03]: there needs to be some direction of like we need to have a broader lens on the show if it's gonna go fit because how long can you do the Torabi?
17:01 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how long is your Robbie thing?
17:03 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_03]: We're before it's boring.
17:04 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:05 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dr. Hildai self only works.
17:09 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
17:09 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So so so long is a as a plot device.
17:13 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's already getting tired by the end of the season.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
17:17 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think you got one
17:21 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, everybody was crying out for, you know, night crawlers, we needed, we needed a night jiff or we needed this or we needed that.
17:27 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just the, they see this world and it's so interesting and I, I don't think you're wrong that if we zero in again on Robbie next season, people will,
17:38 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: be disappointed just as for Abbott.
17:42 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_03]: We need more Abbott.
17:43 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the best.
17:45 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I love when he comes in.
17:46 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_03]: He's, you know, just immediately you feel a breath of fresh air, right?
17:51 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
17:52 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I do wish we had to spin off.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would be really refreshing.
17:56 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you so are you a little disappointed then in the?
18:00 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say that.
18:01 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked the season.
18:03 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I was not quite as enamored with it as I was with season one.
18:07 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And it could be the just, you know, it's fresh when it's season one.
18:11 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw that sophomore slump is often just because it's not the freshest thing anymore, right?
18:16 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you, you had a taste of it already.
18:18 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to shock you with how fresh it is.
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the same flavor.
18:22 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very hard for a show that got that
18:30 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: to navigate their way through a season two.
18:33 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this was a successful season.
18:35 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't disagree.
18:36 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you in as much that some of the characters got very thin treatment where we should have had a little bit more depth.
18:45 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And there was a reason for someone that like Santos, I guess the actor Isabriona as she had, I think she had an appendectomy during the season, so she answered it for a while.
18:55 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
18:56 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why she worked on the computer, exactly.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why she was charting.
19:00 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So like you don't know what's going on behind the scenes for some of this, but I feel like the only people I really felt like we got a decent amount from this season were like Robbie and Whittaker.
19:10 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Langden, we got it.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Did we, though, what did he do?
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_03]: He did have the same one note for the whole thing.
19:16 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I did enjoy, look, everyone had like a little showpiece.
19:20 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I just mean there were way more moments for everyone in season one.
19:23 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just want more of that in season three.
19:27 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been a, it's gonna be an interesting thing to do a season one and to rewatch as season three comes back, like swinging right through.
19:35 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, that'll be a fun experience.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_03]: podcast.
19:43 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It is called the podcast is called Conversations.
19:47 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Richard Filder and Sarah Canowski and it is on the Australian Broadcasting ABC.
19:54 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Are they a corporation company?
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
19:57 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's their ABC not already.
19:58 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that they have companies in Australia.
20:02 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_03]: So a lot less land.
20:04 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a guy's in hockey masks and hot rods with a big guy.
20:11 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it like, I don't know, like, is it just like a cohort?
20:14 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Can we call it a cohort or a baby, a B cohort?
20:18 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's this, I just happen to stumble across it.
20:21 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I have this podcast in my feed and I just, everyone's a while listen.
20:25 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw this thing about being an outback general practitioner and outpack G.P.
20:30 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've listened to about half of this podcast and it was just so impactful that I is like one of those podcasts where like, no wait.
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't be doing other things.
20:38 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to be listening.
20:39 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to go for walk and listen to this one to be really present with it.
20:43 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Not like I'm washing the dishes or doing house chores or something.
20:47 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the podcast is a conversation with Dr. Sonya Henry who ends up being a doctor in Western Australia, which is like some of the
20:57 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: place you can be in the world, let alone Australia.
21:01 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that she talks about and part of what sort of brought her a measure of complicated fame is that she, I believe, wrote an article, Decrying the
21:16 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: way that the medical profession eats itself, eats its young and just grinds down the new entrance into the profession.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, well, I suffered so you suffer.
21:30 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This is how we tough a new up.
21:32 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: This is how we, you know, really build your skills up by making you work long hours, treating you like shit, berating you.
21:39 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not unlike we see in the bear.
21:43 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: especially the last season where, you know, Carmy's dealing with all of this trauma from being at this Michelin star or restaurant, one of the best restaurants in the world, you know, in the way that that chef treated him and in the kind of psychological torture that that these high-pressure jobs put you through.
22:02 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And anyway, to we'll put a link in the show notes and I just really recommend folks go go check out that podcast because it's a fascinating conversation.
22:11 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Burled away, same issues.
22:15 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's cool.
22:16 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_03]: That's really cool.
22:18 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, before we go into the deeper conversation, I just want to be clear.
22:21 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I did really like the season.
22:24 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked the episode, I really liked the season.
22:26 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought Robby's performance, I mean, no, while his performance was fantastic.
22:29 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that, that monologue at the end, really got me choked up all this, all this whole thing.
22:34 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was fun with the push credit scene.
22:38 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_03]: But I really enjoyed the season.
22:40 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, there are some things that I hope that they'll,
22:44 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_03]: reform a little bit and return to form for you know in season three and I believe that no widely had some issues around his time on ER and he was kind of a jerk to people and he was he did yeah yeah there was some weird stuff there too and that's why I'm like let's just let's just you know just do do a good job man just just keep doing a good job that's all we want from you
23:07 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And be not like Dr. Robbie.
23:11 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:12 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And be generous to your staff and generous to the people that are fellow actors and everything around you.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be a fan.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
23:22 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That's another thing I saw the interviews where he was like, not.
23:26 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_03]: condemning the behavior of robby enough for my comfort and I was like, oh, is that thing?
23:33 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Does that reflect you too much?
23:36 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, look, I don't know.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I've never met the man.
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I've never had a conversation with him.
23:41 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_03]: He could be very lovely all fair.
23:43 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
23:45 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_03]: These interviews really left me like,
23:47 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm seeing something here and I need, I need you to get that under control because you're doing such a good job on screen and I want this to continue and I want everyone, I don't want in five years there to be some kind of like the pit was a crazy set.
24:02 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, it was a toxic work in the...
24:04 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's right.
24:06 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:06 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: On the outside, you know, it's appeared to be like great and supportive and all the beautiful things.
24:11 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:12 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Now the interviews that give me life are, we're Brian Crenson talks about his daughter on this.
24:18 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And they had Taylor deered it on, and I guess it was one of those interviews where they had a previously recorded question from Brian Cranson.
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, hey Taylor, it's dad.
24:27 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes right into it.
24:30 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny.
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fun.
24:33 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
24:34 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a break.
24:34 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll come back and we'll talk more about this episode.
24:51 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back, John, in the outline today, I didn't really know how to break this down.
24:56 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very hard.
24:57 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I took a lot of voice notes, and I sort of compiled them, and I've got a salad spinner full of stuff on my, on a different document.
25:07 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just hop around.
25:08 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we've got some social and historical things, some medical things, but I just kind of made a list of a bunch of the characters and the pairings and the interactions.
25:18 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think you, like you said, we can just sort of wheel around and just see where the conversation takes us.
25:25 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into Maha.
25:28 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, you want to go right there.
25:29 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Because we talked about a lot of the character drama already.
25:32 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go into something more procedural here.
25:36 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little nervous to be honest.
25:39 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little nervous.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, because I don't have the capacity to carry a baby.
25:42 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's only so much that I have.
25:44 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but you do have the capacity to understand that there are people.
25:47 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And I look, all right, I'll be the one to say this.
25:51 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this and I think we should separate is is free birth and wild birth maha or does ma doesn't it like I wouldn't wouldn't necessarily put I think they are into at this point I think they are very linked I think they are very linked at this point.
26:07 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
26:08 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And the two terms are a little bit interchangeable.
26:10 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one is part of the other, but the other is not part of the one.
26:13 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a weird space.
26:15 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I know how people cut the line.
26:16 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like are you vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian, right?
26:20 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's like all these weird gradations of things.
26:24 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, look.
26:26 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there is a venn diagram, and there's certainly going to be people outside the overlap.
26:32 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
26:32 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_03]: You will need a microscope to find them at this point.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
26:36 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I think.
26:37 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that outside the overlap section has been shrinking over the last few years unfortunately.
26:46 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I have mixed feelings because first of all women have been mistreated by the medical system for decades.
26:54 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
26:54 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And I understand hesitance to use the medical system for birth at the same time.
27:02 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's my personally don't think it's responsible to do it outside the medical system entirely, right?
27:07 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_03]: You can advocate for yourself.
27:09 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_03]: You can, you know, do a lot of, you know, research on birthing centers and things like that.
27:15 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_03]: There are ways to, you know, like they asked, like do you have a midwife?
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have, like, do you live?
27:20 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're not comfortable being under the needle, get somebody who knows when you need the needle, right?
27:26 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Because not even knowing what preeclampsia is,
27:30 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_03]: is, again, he put her and the baby at risk of death.
27:33 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
27:34 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I have mixed feelings on this woman.
27:38 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your name?
27:39 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_03]: But so I don't have to keep going this little moment.
27:42 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Judith Landstrad.
27:44 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And shout out to the actor, Nicole Wolf.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe is the actor's name.
27:48 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so you're a great job.
27:48 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Who did an exceptional job of acting, especially the convulsions,
27:53 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was buying it.
27:54 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
27:56 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Just wow.
27:57 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, this show taking a number of issues that are center around women and women's health, mental health, physical health pregnancy and really.
28:10 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: putting complex and nuanced conversations front and center for us to be present to them, and to see into what people might experience and how they're inequities in the system.
28:28 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so here's my deal.
28:33 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Judith or dear friends, Judith,
28:37 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_03]: is both a victim and a perpetrator in the situation.
28:40 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
28:41 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_03]: She is the victim of a widespread campaign to get people to distrust medical institutions and to take dangerous steps for their health and the health of their children.
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
28:50 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Because of basically people warming power.
28:54 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And so she is a victim in that sense.
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
28:58 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_03]: She's also a perpetrator of the violence, right?
29:02 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you did buy into it and like at a certain point where all responsible for the information we take in, we're all responsible with what we do with that information.
29:11 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Our actions and how you interpret that information in translated into actions.
29:15 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, your grown-ass woman, you still have responsibility to be able to sort out truth from the lies.
29:21 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, a lot of us are bad at that these days, but you know what, you still got the responsibility
29:26 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I can feel sympathy for the fear that she feels.
29:32 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, also thinking that obviously, I think that that was an extremely wrong choice and almost killed her.
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't even know if she's going to be okay for another week, right?
29:42 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of that because she could have permanent brain damage after seizing for like a few minutes straight.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_03]: That's insane.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Let alone the recovery of having, you know,
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: being surgically open like that.
29:54 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And then having them stick every lap brought me pad that they had in the war.
30:00 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was not a standard C section by I don't know.
30:03 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've not done a C section.
30:04 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been present for two C sections, but they had a big cheat between me and the C section happening.
30:09 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
30:09 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
30:10 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, and look, I understand something is like, look,
30:14 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: pre-eclampsia is something that's a very real thing and actually I'm only dangerous and extremely not uh it's what is it 30% or something like that?
30:23 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like very very common in very varies.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_03]: They said about 10%.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it that many?
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have my percentages right?
30:29 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they said about 10% and that's okay.
30:33 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not an uncommon thing.
30:35 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll say it touched my family, which is my wife.
30:39 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't have, she was never diagnosed with pre-eclampsia, but she was on like pre-eclampsia watch, because she had never had high blood pressure before, and she was having hypertension and or after, by the way.
30:50 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And she was having hypertension during the first pregnancy.
30:53 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And it just happened and at some point we were at 37 weeks and they said, you know what your blood pressure is high we think you should just get induced and get this going and we did it and I know she has mixed feelings about that because yeah, you know, it's it's
31:11 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_03]: it wasn't used and obviously the induction was unsuccessful because you had a sea section.
31:15 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, again, distrust of the medical system, right, that that automatically gets you into the distrust territory and so I completely understand that.
31:25 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And I am a fierce advocate for advocating for yourself in a medical situation and keeping an advocate with you because you're not always going to be where we have the wherewithal to advocate for yourself.
31:35 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
31:36 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: A little interpret all the information that may or may not be provided to you.
31:40 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of calm can be a lot of complex stuff.
31:43 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, but it seems like Judith here didn't even look up like what to look out for while you're pregnant, right, you know, right, because it it was she was she got herself so afraid of medicine that she couldn't even She couldn't even know when it was time to finally pull the trigger, right, in fact, you know, when I when I was living in New York City and I was looking, you know, for my wife where we're going to do the birth.
32:11 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We were looking at a birthing center rather than a hospital, but the birthing center specifically says in the paperwork, if you do need a c-section or any other big intervention, we're moving you to the hospital.
32:28 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a line where you need to go get help.
32:43 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And especially that line about the fact that women have been successfully delivering babies for thousands of years and Abbott retorts with a, you know, whatever the percentage of of 30% I think that's where you got the 30% right at the 30% from and I think, you know, there's this whole thing of the placenta and the baby.
33:10 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So many profound changes happen in the human body to be able to carry to just states and deliver this other life like it is a fundamental
33:23 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Biomechanical thing that is going on here and things go wrong in our bodies all the time.
33:30 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, you know, there are complex machines that are affected by environment that are affected by so many different circumstances and conditions and it's things go wrong just because right reach for all this kind of stuff you name it and then there's just like really weird trick of the human evolutionary development where
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're three months too soon.
33:54 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're born three months, but compared to other mammals, we're born prematurely.
34:01 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
34:02 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because our heads are too big because our brains develop faster than the rest and the birth canal and the upright, and the way the hips are and all this kind of stuff, shit is complex.
34:13 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And there is a real mechanical need for, I don't care if it's a do-la, I don't care if it's a midwife, a doctor or whatever, but like you said, advocate for yourself, get the best support team you can for yourself, but have a support team with people who understand how to respond in an emergency.
34:36 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And as shit goes wrong.
34:38 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And also, like she goes, women have been having birth
34:43 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_03]: not by themselves though right with other women exactly with you your village was an important aspect of that right the people you had around you the allo parents you know your mother would still be living with you she would help you birth the kid there would be this you know passed down knowledge of we have to cut this part at this time we have to tie this off this way right
35:04 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we have to check for these things on the baby like the team, right?
35:08 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like, like, yeah, there weren't doctors involved for a really long time for most birds, but there was a village.
35:14 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_03]: People weren't using like sitting in a cave alone, popping out babies, right?
35:19 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry for that, I'm a dreary everybody.
35:21 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know what I mean?
35:22 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, you know, she's saying like, oh, he's just to do this, I won't, no, no.
35:27 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yes, I agree with you.
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, women are extremely strong.
35:31 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_03]: They're the only ones who can create life like this.
35:34 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And they did it together, right?
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_03]: The community was part of it.
35:38 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And part of that,
35:40 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_01]: tradition of knowledge was broken at a period of time in at least in this country by medical science using forcibs to extract babies and medicalizing it.
35:50 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's a natural swan a swing back away from that, but not at the expense of.
35:58 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to find the proper space and zone.
36:02 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: where you can, you can have the experience that you want.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Responsibly.
36:11 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the whole balance is you get a birthing center that maybe has a doctor on call.
36:16 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_03]: If you need the doctor there there, right?
36:18 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you really, if you really want to try to do it naturally, I'm more power to you.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, you know, you got to do it.
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do it.
36:26 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not my place to second guess that.
36:27 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:28 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is.
36:29 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: My second, my place in terms of society and the health and loving is to make sure that people have adequate medical care when they need it, especially in extreme circumstances, so that it's available when needed and called upon.
36:42 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_03]: This has been the latest episode of men telling women how to give birth.
36:46 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
36:46 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I didn't want to go down this because I have opinions.
36:49 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I was in a room where my job was porn.
36:53 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, well, I'll tell you that right.
36:56 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure I heard my wife, who's birthed two children, say, fucking moron at some point in the room.
37:01 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, you know, like, it's not just us.
37:04 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:05 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's something else that you said earlier
37:12 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: the experience of pregnancy itself and all of that is attended and how that goes, you know, how that has been medicalized and dealt with over years, there's something a little bit new now, which goes into the maha aspect of this thing, which is,
37:33 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole bunch of charlatans who now have communication platforms and be it touching the paper receipts that you get at the grocery store because they have toxic metals in it or oats have bad things in them.
37:47 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever, there is a whole industry of people who are filling the internet waves, I would call them the air waves.
37:55 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: filling the ether full of junk science, knowledge, and folk ways, you know, and and spawning this stuff as folk wisdom or getting back to our roots or whatever, but it's just influencer bullshit.
38:11 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what's really dangerous is that people are susceptible to that and people make money off of that.
38:20 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And yep.
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: make money off of pedaling junk science.
38:24 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Montendo is bad, but no, right, you know, we can't go, you know, we have to find sanity in this.
38:34 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I was listening to a really good podcast today and they were talking about why some kind of messaging does better than others.
38:41 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_03]: and they were saying that the real solutions are complex and they're hard to make a history is out of and therefore they don't go viral and that's unfortunate exactly right and and the easy solutions are not correct but they sound better
38:57 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, if you go back into the history of this country, we have a tradition of stake-whale salesmen, right?
39:06 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And revivalists, and you name it, it is here.
39:10 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What a PT Barnum say, it's sucker-borne every minute, something to that effect.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Never heard that one, but that's funny.
39:16 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, apparently PT Barnum.
39:18 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that there is a culture and tradition of,
39:25 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: using rhetoric and theater and short-cutting complexity to cell things at the negative to the detriment of the buyer.
39:43 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It does not make a good catchphrase to say you can try a natural birth, but you should probably have a doctor on call and maybe a midwife or a doula, or maybe you should check with at least some family friends that have had experience, maybe you should talk to them by their experience and look everything up on Google, and just at least look at the sporting signs where you should go to a doctor.
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Instead they say, Dr. Bad?
40:02 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Bad, Hospital Bad, and you still have it react like when she said that ultrasound can harm the baby and he's just like, no, and then he's like, oh, just be chill, you know, and I'm credit to the night crawlers for not ever reacting in a way that maybe that they would want to, but they actually just treated the patient and treated the medical emergency for what it was.
40:32 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_03]: it's always frustrating to be in a situation where somebody comes into your line of work and tries to tell you how to do it.
40:38 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:38 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
40:39 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, good for them.
40:41 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:41 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and we saw that in season one as well, right?
40:44 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:45 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
40:45 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_03]: With the measles, people that apparently are still honest, one after a, after Mel.
40:49 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_03]: The way the way the way Mel walk, you know, just a little later note, the way Mel did the Charlie Brown Christmas time is here.
40:56 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Walk.
40:57 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_03]: was so funny, okay, the humor.
41:01 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, yeah, like I think the way you phrased it earlier is is good that there's there's got to be nuance in this conversation around free birth and and wild birth stuff as well that there is.
41:16 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There are people who are being victimized by this by influencers and people who are pedaling junk stuff versus the idea that women
41:25 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: the rates of infant mortality and mortality for what's the where I'm trying to find a word here and I'm blanking.
41:39 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's what we haven't even gone into the racial aspect of it like no how black women have much higher maternal mortality rates and it's not because of
41:51 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's not because of anything inherent, because of disparate impact of treatment.
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
41:56 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't bring that in just because it didn't have direct impact on this storyline.
42:01 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:01 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's some things that they touched on earlier in the season.
42:05 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they, they, yeah, exactly.
42:06 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_03]: They did touch that on the, the Pico's thing.
42:09 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_03]: They were a bunch of the, what was it?
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_03]: A, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_03]: a torture or something like that?
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Was it a twisted ovary?
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, that just, yeah.
42:19 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
42:19 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_03]: That gives me the like the HBGB is just saying it.
42:22 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess I just want to just assure that the listeners like, you know, we're both fathers, we're both present to the births of our children and can be very sympathetic to this woman, but also understand that there
42:39 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, there are complex films.
42:42 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really, I think it's topic.
42:45 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I've looked.
42:46 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, she's a victim in some ways.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
42:49 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_03]: But it would be infantilizing for me to not treat her like she's a woman with agency.
42:54 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_03]: And she does have agency and she made choices and they were poor choices.
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And we do have to talk about that in a realistic way.
43:00 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being very grounded.
43:03 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you were approached.
43:05 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they call me.
43:06 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Groundy Johnny.
43:08 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a weird way to think.
43:09 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where I'll go with this.
43:11 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's move on.
43:13 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:14 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everyone for writing through that conversation.
43:18 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to talk about next?
43:19 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's Jasper?
43:20 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Which one was that?
43:21 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the poor, the unfortunate film in that passed away in chairs.
43:26 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shit.
43:26 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They had hypo and heartlepsie.
43:28 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
43:30 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that was a wild moment, but yeah, now he's just, he's just, he's just really asleep.
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
43:37 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_03]: He looks dead.
43:39 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, imagine what you do, like you can't, if they said something, that's a bad look, right?
43:44 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of those white lies that you have to tell to, you know, clear that information because of a lot of people who are upset there, so.
43:52 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know that guy's going to go home and be like, I died next to me while waiting for the hospital.
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, five a.m.
43:58 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He checked in at five a.m. That's a bad luck for the hospital.
44:04 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that could be a season three thing, right?
44:06 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That could be one of those things that spins back into the season three.
44:09 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, honestly, what they need to do going forward is just figure out how to triage people better, you know?
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_03]: They're obviously- Well, they should build incredibly backed up.
44:19 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you came in with a non-emergency thing, right?
44:22 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_03]: That was the whole thing.
44:23 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_03]: As you can move the hemorrhage, you don't die from hemorrhage, really.
44:25 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's- You must have these where you live these urgent care centers.
44:29 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's actually a land name.
44:31 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And that seems to be like a reasonable mid tier solution, right?
44:36 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They can take, they can help unburden.
44:40 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_03]: My local hospital has like a whole chain of urgent cares that you can actually two of the local hospitals have them so that you don't have to go to the ER unless like look middle of the night urgent care is closed fine, but right if you're during the day of a tsunami emergency just go there Yeah, I have to tell you the the urgent care near me is bougie s f
45:02 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got, they have massage hairs in the lobby.
45:05 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_03]: They have a slushy machine.
45:07 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it him side of your nose?
45:09 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Or is it a next one?
45:12 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not, it's got a Pac-Man machine with all the retro games, not just Pac-Man, but like Gallagher and whenever.
45:17 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
45:18 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you go in there and you're, you're live in luxury.
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Got some life-high action and...
45:23 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I couldn't believe it.
45:24 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, this is, this is Bouchy.
45:27 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, good enough.
45:29 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we depended when we moved to our new town and stuff like that, we depended on the urgent care a couple of times for a couple of things and not urgent urgent.
45:38 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like I had a, oh, remember, I was after rings of power.
45:43 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I had that really bad cold.
45:45 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:45 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, something is coughing all of that.
45:47 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Had to go to urgent care to, uh, to get, you know, take care of there.
45:51 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And boy, I'm really glad.
45:52 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a good doctor there and got straight away.
45:59 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, baby Jane Doe.
46:02 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's such a, I think it's so, there's no way that I could have predicted how baby Jane Doe storyline would have sort of woven through and ended up at the end.
46:16 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it seems like they wanted her to be the forgotten piece, right?
46:20 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, just abandoned and even abandoned by the system.
46:24 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then it dovetails with Robbie's storyline.
46:28 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, that we learned that he was abandoned at age eight, and, you know, that's part of his issues that he's dealing with.
46:36 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's just like the whole thing was set up, so no, while he could, we could have a picture of St. Noah holding the baby there in front of the sun.
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see those pictures?
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't.
46:49 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
46:49 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to let me let me see if I can drop this.
46:52 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I had the picture where it go.
46:54 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: There is, where did it go?
46:56 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I put it in my trash.
46:57 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There is during this shot where he is talking himself through the baby Jane Doe conversation, right?
47:07 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, saying, oh, I was banned to choose about here it is.
47:11 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The camera is dancing around when we put this into our discord chat in the production channel there.
47:17 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you look behind his head, there's a little sun.
47:24 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_03]: He's looking very presidential.
47:26 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He's looking very saintly.
47:28 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm making a joke from other images.
47:31 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, right.
47:31 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, he doesn't have a red thing on his lips.
47:34 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So did you see somebody said the new uniforms at the pit?
47:36 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen those with red lips.
47:38 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
47:39 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really restraining myself and not posting about a dozen of those things in the discord channel for a bit.
47:47 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's hilarious.
47:48 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't care.
47:49 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like it's just everything is so stupid now.
47:52 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The okay buddy would occur subreddit is just like cutting me.
47:56 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're having a good time.
47:57 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
47:58 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
47:58 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so we have St. Robby there holding holding baby Jane toe.
48:04 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it feels like that was just a carefully crafted little thing all the way through.
48:10 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the patron saint of depression.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, more or less.
48:16 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
48:18 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to do?
48:19 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Who do you want to talk about?
48:20 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, can we just talk about the post credits?
48:26 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even have it in my notes.
48:28 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so good.
48:29 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know prior to or did you still on your own?
48:32 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I might have caught wind of it, but I was still like surprised by the execution at least.
48:38 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It was it was very fun.
48:40 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I was sitting there sort of in just trying to process and then the music kicked it.
48:46 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to end the episode when I heard the awareness more sets on and I was like, wait a minute, what's this?
48:55 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what's funny is, Isabriota's, Isabriota's, is a broadway singer and incredible singer and it's very hard for a trained talented singer to pretend to be a bad singer.
49:07 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
49:09 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see her taking Nell's hair tie out?
49:13 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I think it was like three times because I thought it was so funny.
49:17 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, it was the perfect song.
49:19 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:19 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the perfect song for them to have been singing.
49:22 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, that they could kind of do it as a duet.
49:25 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's this primal scream vibe to it.
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was perfect.
49:30 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_03]: And just how into it Mel was was so funny to me.
49:34 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
49:35 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when she invites her out, like, you know, it's you and me girl kind of thing, and Mel's like, let's go, she was, I was just really proud of Mel in that moment.
49:46 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Mel, you know, again, I wish we would have had more of an arc for her this season.
49:50 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but if you were going to assignment arc to her, it would be understanding that she has to,
49:56 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_03]: forge her own identity, away from her sister, away from work, and gain some self-confidence here.
50:06 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_03]: She's extremely competent at work.
50:09 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Now she needs to find herself confidence.
50:11 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we see her pull any real medical miracles this time?
50:18 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't do much.
50:20 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_03]: She looked
50:25 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they were already, but it made it worse.
50:28 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Although, somebody said that the Santos Melchipers are going nuts right now, and they're calling her Mentos.
50:36 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
50:37 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.
50:38 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_01]: A couple of names.
50:39 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That is funny.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I do like that.
50:41 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Malfeasants.
50:43 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
50:43 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There.
50:45 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I did think to about the shipping of Langdon and Mel, but I actually had this in my notes.
50:51 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know, Langdon's married, and I don't think you fingers crossed you and go there.
50:58 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Mel knows that he's married, so I think that would be awkward for her.
51:02 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she'd be down for that kind of thing.
51:06 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm just like, oh, but why can't you just have a man and a woman in a workplace who are two professionals who can respect each other can have a friendly and intimate relationship that it doesn't have to go to romance?
51:19 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you can absolutely do that.
51:20 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think that at least Mel is playing it that way.
51:24 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_03]: You think Mel is in love with Langdon?
51:27 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Or she just, uh, there's something going on there.
51:29 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Langdon is, you know, that into Mel like that.
51:33 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think Langdon is having the professional relationship with her.
51:36 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:36 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Mel is totally, I mean, he comes in and she immediately runs and hugs him.
51:40 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
51:41 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't hug my go workers.
51:44 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
51:44 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_01]: A little weird, right?
51:46 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay.
51:47 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm hopeful that Mel is just, she just likes him, right?
51:52 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and you can just like a coworker and you can just be into your friends.
51:56 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:56 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where I'm sitting with it.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not shipping them.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm shipping an Abbot in my hand.
52:00 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not shipping them.
52:01 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't, I think you're going to have to wait a long time for that one.
52:04 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Because, yeah.
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Mohan seems to be out there.
52:06 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Going the way of the, what do they say?
52:11 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, the way of the Dodo.
52:14 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_03]: The Dodo, thank you.
52:15 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't, I could not get there.
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's extra patient.
52:18 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That is not extinction.
52:19 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That is extra patient.
52:21 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Explain murdered by humans to the depth of extinction.
52:26 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We removed them from the ecosystem.
52:30 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_03]: That's unfortunate.
52:31 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's unfortunate, the whole moan storyline is a rough one.
52:38 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tough one, and she's out there on the ambulance bay.
52:42 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And Robbie's trying to be all, like, ribbon, you know, being, you know, Dr. or a bit of a story.
52:47 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's just like, fuck you guy, yeah.
52:49 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
52:51 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just can't help but like be a jerk to her.
52:55 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And she has, she can't say much.
52:57 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_01]: She kind of has to play along with it, because she needs a recommendation from him.
53:02 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and, and, you know, I, I just can't, I can't believe he didn't say I'm sorry to her.
53:08 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that's I just blown 100% 100% I was I was like there were so many moments where it was like quiet And he should have been like look I'm really sorry for how I talked you before.
53:19 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm joking.
53:20 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm jerk.
53:21 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's sorry.
53:22 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He blew it completely blew it And this is what I'm saying this is this abusive behavior of that he is right and then he says to Victoria That you can do anything you want
53:36 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_03]: He, um, uses the first name to disarm, uh, to tell her and with, um, I'll Hashemek.
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
53:45 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
53:45 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that little editing technique as well, where you had the title card.
53:53 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you hear the voice over, baron, is this you before we cut into the scene, to
54:04 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Shall we talk about that, see?
54:06 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we should talk about, uh, it's a tough one.
54:09 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: All of this.
54:10 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, shout out for the performances of these actors.
54:17 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to get the show guide up right now, because like, yeah, remember Dr.
54:20 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll do that.
54:20 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you do that.
54:21 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you do that.
54:22 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I have to say that I,
54:25 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_03]: was proving this episode.
54:27 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking this whole season, but this episode, I knew that the problem that I've had with Dr. Alhashimi is not the acting, but the directing.
54:39 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
54:40 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_03]: The robotic nature is not the actor.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_03]: The actor can show emotion.
54:44 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a directing problem.
54:47 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:48 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
54:49 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there needs to be a little bit more emotion.
54:51 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Sephade Moafi, I know I'm probably not getting the right emphasis on the rights allowables there.
54:58 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So, she unloads on his ass, and there was a deleted scene, too.
55:09 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It was her?
55:10 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she did describe this in an interview.
55:11 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you right now.
55:12 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
55:13 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_03]: After you're all there.
55:14 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been sleuthened.
55:15 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I have sleuthened.
55:16 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_03]: After all this, after, you know, we see her drive off at the car.
55:20 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, apparently she stops and she calls her ex-husband and says, can you watch our kid tonight?
55:25 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm having a hard night.
55:28 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, are you okay?
55:30 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want me to pick you up?
55:30 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And she just starts like, she just loses it.
55:32 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_03]: She just like bursts and tears and just sits there.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the last thing we see of her.
55:36 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we get her crying, like she steps the car and crying and crying.
55:39 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but she like calls her ex-husband and like completely breaks down.
55:42 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_03]: And we don't see her again.
55:43 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Was that?
55:46 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we have had that or not?
55:48 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it was necessary.
55:49 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we saw her break down enough.
55:52 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:53 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we didn't need to see the final blow, but I don't know, it's pretty sad.
55:59 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Knowing that though, that was in there.
56:01 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and part of my thinking too is just thinking about, okay, there's an emotional,
56:12 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: letting go, right?
56:13 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a shitty day, it was an intense day, she's, you know, we all respond to stress differently, you know, some people do primal-screen therapy.
56:22 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, karaoke.
56:24 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Other of us seek, you know, solace and substance.
56:28 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's watch TV or, you know, scroll endlessly on the internet.
56:33 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And she needed an emotional outburst to cry, right?
56:37 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, women in the workplace and a professional workplace and a high pressure workplace and a hot with a high status job like being an attending.
56:47 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of pressure on them because they're expected to operate in ways that men don't have to.
56:55 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
56:55 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's that layer that's in there as well.
56:58 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you see Robbie break down every like three episodes.
57:02 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a layer of somebody with a disability who's just trying to make their way in the world and not be treated as a second-class citizen because of it and they're doing the responsible things in terms of medication and magic, you know, Boba Blah.
57:16 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, yeah, it's a real risk.
57:21 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a real risk here and is two attendings on shifts,
57:29 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, real need.
57:29 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:30 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a justification so that you can work in this department?
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a question.
57:35 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You're also probably, I mean, look, they, they absolutely need more attendings.
57:39 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is a really interesting room attendings.
57:41 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But like, if they didn't actually need more attendings, and that's because of her, that's an extra 300, 400 grand a year, right?
57:48 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, how much is the attending ER?
57:50 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure not less than 300 a year.
57:52 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
57:54 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of money not just in salary, but in terms of all benefits and all that yeah, yeah, and just having another person yeah, the insurance that they have to add to having a doctor right there's a lot of admin overhead for that.
58:06 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, there's there's going to be an impact on the insurance too to say yes, well, one of our attendings has seizures sometimes it's it's stuff and again, like I actually saw people with epilepsy talking about it in the comments on read it and they were saying, you know, one of them said I actually didn't pursue medicine because of my epilepsy because I do that this would be an issue.
58:29 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, she wanted to like public health or something like that, and that's that's it.
58:32 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_03]: There are many ways to help the world, right?
58:34 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't all have to be medicine.
58:36 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
58:36 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I didn't pursue medicine at all because I can't handle any of the goals.
58:42 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So, but yeah, I mean, it's tough because she's worked so hard.
58:46 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_03]: She's working way into a leadership role as a woman.
58:50 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_03]: That is also extra hard because she's a woman.
58:53 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And now trust her, right?
58:58 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that I think it was in the interview with her, too, but it might have been just somebody commenting on Reddit, so I'm sorry if this is inaccurate.
59:06 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think she said, like, you know, she's worked her whole life for this.
59:09 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And she finally got into the spot.
59:12 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And now this guy is going to blow it all up for her, right?
59:15 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_03]: This man who doesn't like her is going to blow it all up for her.
59:18 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And as much as it might be a real concern, you know that there's part of Robbie who just does not like her.
59:23 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And just wants her gone.
59:25 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It does not care the reason.
59:26 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It was waiting all day for a reason.
59:28 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_03]: The minute he caught onto anything, he was on it like a hawk.
59:33 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And frankly, he didn't show much concern when she finally told him.
59:38 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_03]: They kind of fake the sound with that.
59:40 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_03]: last episode, right?
59:42 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_03]: At the end of the last episode, Barron, is that you?
59:44 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And then he seems so concerned and then he's like, well, you have to disclose this.
59:47 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_03]: That's his first thing.
59:49 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's interesting because when I rewatched it today, when he asks her about it,
59:58 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know, okay, what's going on?
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, I had an episode.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's kind of like, okay, he pauses.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He takes that in.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not until she says, I actually had two.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he's like, the fuck, like, you know, he was willing to be a little bit.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that she had two in one day is what tripped his wire.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that this is a job that, you know, there's a lot of, I'm sure that there's a lot of medical jobs that you can do with this disorder, right?
01:00:31 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, she probably could be a primary care physician and be fine.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: She could, could she be, so one of the things that I find interesting too, if Robby is the chief of emergency medicine, when does he have time to do his budgets and his staff meetings and his recruiting stuff and his HR compliance training?
01:00:51 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's admin though, right?
01:00:52 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he has to do it.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but as a chief of department, you have to be on top of all of that, right?
01:00:58 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So where is that?
01:01:01 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Where or, you know, could she be a senior person in the emergency department that is not working floor shifts, but still supervising students and looking after people and just not, you know, but other attendings are there.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_03]: She's, you know, maybe they're going to pay her to not do anything.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's what that's what that's.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but that's exactly what administration would say.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know that, right?
01:01:24 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but you'd be like, why are we playing this
01:01:28 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_03]: We can't build insurance for her.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole thing.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not building insurance for that doctor.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to like.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I know how to flip you off, but not you.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not filing a single claim if that doctor's on doing anything.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I think that they're probably, I wonder if this is true.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe somebody maybe Sarah can write in, but are we going to talk to Sarah?
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_03]: We should, we should, yes.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had some other plans for, we can talk at the end.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a couple of ideas for something I want to do for.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, season.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Well my point is maybe somebody could write in about this who knows better, but like I'm sure that there are many fields of medicine that you can do where you're not doing critical procedures like that, where if you have a seizure in the middle of them you could like eank an artery out.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
01:02:20 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Like their primary care would probably be fine.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I don't know why she needs to be in this exact position because this is one of the few positions where you can do a lot of harm if you have a seizure during which is what Robbie's freaking out about.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and so it's it's really tough because Rabbi has been such a dick.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, her especially, but also this whole season and I don't think he's doing this for the right reasons, but he is correct.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I think right that she can't be doing this and and I think probably part of it is it is a really high stress environment.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably egging her on.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We're creating conditions for that.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's what I mean.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, yeah, in short hand.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Creating conditions for a seizure because it's a lot of stress on your nervous system.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_01]: with when Whittaker is talking to Javadi and she's like, this guy is this and that person that and Langdon is a drug addict and he's like he's a man with a substance of use probably.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what though?
01:03:18 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really just funny.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just one of those cheaper things.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Javadi kind of pissed me off with that.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, you want to go into mental health and you're like the most judgemental person in this department.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You just are loading everybody with both barrels.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I don't think it's a secret that I've never been the biggest shavadi fan.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's like a little, a little, uh, I think she thinks she's a little smarter than she is.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's extremely booksmart, she's certainly the character as much more booksmart than me.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't have an oglevita for her to bounce off of down.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right?
01:03:51 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think having oglevita made me like her more, but just because she was better than oglevita, but like oglevita, they both share this, which is a lack of life experience.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And that really shows, and it showed with both seasons with Javadi.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how well that will translate between that and the, like, it was really judgmental what she was saying about her co-workers.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a load of cheese.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a load of cheese.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a load of cheese.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: She's, you know, has a, there's a certain amount of, I'm just trying to unload and get my emotions out so that I can be rational again, but like, to do that with another co-worker in right.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: In the workplace is not necessarily as smart as thing to do.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, this is not making me have confidence in your ability to be in emergency psychiatrists.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's funny though?
01:04:44 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_03]: She also think that being in emergency psychiatrists is going to be less stressful.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's running from stress.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she, you know, she, like you said, she's still trying to find
01:04:58 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: what she wants to do, and that's normal, right?
01:05:01 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You get to spend some time and you gotta go do some stuff.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta do a bunch of stuff that you realize that you don't want to do to realize what you do want to do, right?
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I know, I know Dr. Shen knows what he wants to do.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's drink Duncan's.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, did you see what people said happened to Whittaker's badge?
01:05:22 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was my joke last time.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was you.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so funny.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a, that was a reddit thing.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_03]: That was funny.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he drank it.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_03]: But I did, and I really enjoyed the actual fate of Whittaker's badge.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, did, right, right on Digby.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:39 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: With the dummy, too.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was the, that was the chef's kiss part of it.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: for sure.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I liked that they also made him, you know, and he's an on-house man, but he's got agency, too.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_03]: He packed up and headed out and uh, put maybe go pull your daughter like go just go drive to your old ride your bike with your dummy to your old house.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's this whole thing.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it just must be a wink and a nod to Pittsburgh.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole fireworks, the history of fireworks that comes out of Pittsburgh, because um, um,
01:06:12 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: who is our guide to be getting at the season, who passed away, everybody's favorite.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Louie.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Louie was talking about fireworks and their guys that the tube was the, no, the hanging guys were branding themselves.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: There was the fireworks guy who got blown up in the garage.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So apparently, yeah, the Pittsburgh has a history of fireworks and industry and
01:06:40 --> 01:06:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about people calling Robbie out.
01:06:42 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_03]: We got Abbott and Langdom, who did it better?
01:06:45 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we just really stay on something on the fireworks really quick?
01:06:49 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh sure.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: When they're on the roof, watching the fireworks at the end when all the staff, the day shift staffs up there.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a scene where Princess was starting to tear up and Dana get come up and...
01:07:02 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: gave her a hug.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get weepie here no to.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that was such a beautiful moment to to center in on her.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Because at the same time, it was kind of her character was kind of a blank canvas, because you're like, what?
01:07:19 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Is she going through right now?
01:07:20 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: What emotions is she experiencing?
01:07:22 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And you could make up a whole bunch of stuff.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And you could probably be right about certain things.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Jessie being arrested by ICE, her being originally from another country, maybe where there was a lot of people have problems with fireworks, because of PTSD, sounds of war, things like that, right?
01:07:38 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Any number of just a tough day on the jobs.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She saw a lot of stuff today.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: that it was kind of that princess in that moment was this blank canvas where we as the audience could project our feelings onto what she was feeling.
01:07:58 --> 01:07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: and make a guess.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's really kind of a, a roarshark test, right?
01:08:03 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We're, we're interpreting what we're seeing here.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just really appreciated that.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Another, what was she hugging Princess?
01:08:10 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Was on Princess Rutherla.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Where's Perla?
01:08:13 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I have their names backwards?
01:08:14 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that's why I was, I was like, wait a minute.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Perla, yeah, it's all right, everybody.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead
01:08:28 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were a number of cathartic moments.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: There's Langdon telling Robby Off.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the post-credit karaoke.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There's Whitaker driving off with Amy and Baby Theo.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was one of those little payoff moments where I just felt like we all could unpack a little bit of our experience with the show and just be with him.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we can get back to roasting, Robbie.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, well, I'm not.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kidding.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Who would call them out better as well as my question was Abbott or Biden or Duke?
01:09:10 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Duke, Duke calls him out, but I, in this episode, I thought it was more habit in Langdon.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And in Abbott and Rubinovich, the leader of a Christian monastery and the son of a rabbi, are having a little bit of a theological conversation in a room where not 10 minutes before they save the life of a mother and child, right?
01:09:33 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, there is some stuff going on there.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think Abbott is just trying to be his friends.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We're lying and told him the truth.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, good, told him, you're not my dad.
01:09:48 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He and he called, I think, you know, he says, right?
01:09:55 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be honest with me, but at least be fucking honest with yourself.
01:09:58 --> 01:10:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I enjoyed that.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's right.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:04 [SPEAKER_03]: He's absolutely right.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the way he kind of blows off Duke, Duke's like, hey, you know, like promise me he'll come back and probably's like, oh, think about it, like man didn't love that no, not at all.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And shout out to that actor too, but he did a great job.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It was great.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been around that actor's been around a long time.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to look him up real quick.
01:10:28 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And been in a lot of stuff.
01:10:30 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a real jobbing actor.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Cobber.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Cobber is the name of the actor.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's been around for years and years.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of great, a lot of great acting talent rolled through this year with all the patience and all the different stuff.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, oh, it looks like he was a regular and general hospital.
01:10:54 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
01:10:55 --> 01:10:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look at that, that's funny.
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's he's not new to the hospital game.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you, what did you, I'm looking through the list here.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We kind of got it all.
01:11:16 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, Whitaker.
01:11:17 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Whitaker and Robbie are just Whitaker driving away with I mean first of all funky Whitaker got to come back next season.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We got to have him bring the funk into the ER.
01:11:28 --> 01:11:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that was first of all, let me ask you.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that he is not with her and oblivious to the fact that she's totally into him or do you think that he is with her and just doesn't
01:11:49 --> 01:12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: it is so obvious that she is so into him and he's he just he slipped into the truck like it was natural like it was that was a couple right like that was a family right there right up.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey little buddy with the with the baby first thing he goes to the baby easy hops right in they didn't even talk about it she just gets in the passenger seat he hops in he's got his funk on he knows where the ox cable is he
01:12:17 --> 01:12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: right the seat you didn't even have to move the seat because they're both shorter right like that was a practice that was a well rehearsed little maneuver two of yeah are pulling up in him getting in so yeah no dude hooked like that's it it's it's not helping out on the farm that's that's for real
01:12:36 --> 01:12:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so too.
01:12:37 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I think yeah, but they're I think he's tied in that from the pet right.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But also obviously this was immediately after Robbie was like, you know, I thought I'd have a whole family right now.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And then what it was like piece out got my family.
01:12:50 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly what that scene was about which is, um, then it which rolls into the land thing.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that that his life.
01:12:58 --> 01:12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: His life is not that.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, and it's the opportunities for that are our feeding quickly.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:27 [SPEAKER_03]: We had a lot of parallels between Robby and Whittaker in the beginning of the season and I think that towards the end of the season we really see how Whittaker, at least at this point in his life, has taken the good from Robby and left the bad, I think, I think Whittaker is becoming like Mago Robby.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a good call that he has balance.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He has healthy relationships with his coworkers.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's grown out of the Huckleberry kind of stage and into fully Whittaker.
01:13:43 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Now he's Fuckleberry because he's in the farm.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: only farmers.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Santas.
01:13:52 --> 01:13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Only humans.
01:13:53 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They did such a good job with Santas's writing this.
01:13:56 --> 01:13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he so hurt her?
01:13:59 --> 01:14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree her character, arc, and depth was very shallow this season.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one should give, though, because she was funny, and they really played her humor up perfectly.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_03]: She was funny.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they did have the whole, like, she was taking a razor to cut herself, but seemed like, right, but that didn't really pay off either, like there was no confrontation or anything.
01:14:22 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, you can see things for future seasons.
01:14:25 --> 01:14:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, I do forgive a lack of a development over all on her just because of her appendectomy like they just have to keep her sitting down most of the season some realities.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and now she's on Broadway.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess she's doing better.
01:14:40 --> 01:14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're headed towards a season three.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's I think are they done writing it?
01:14:47 --> 01:14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they say?
01:14:48 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_03]: But they do like nine months of filming.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So they must, did they start filming already?
01:14:52 --> 01:14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, well, they're probably going to be targeted at the same time, like February again.
01:14:58 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: When did we start this this year?
01:14:59 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The January.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_03]: The January.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:03 [SPEAKER_03]: But also, they were filming still during the season.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe they, you know, maybe it's not quite started yet.
01:15:08 --> 01:15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, now that they have the set and they act, you know, they're in a little bit different position than coming out of season one in season two.
01:15:15 --> 01:15:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Plus, I'm sure that they're not going to be doing it.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's just going to be a pretty important part of the show.
01:15:23 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think going forward.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So we talk about some characters where we just can't have the show without.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she's definitely one of them.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:15:32 --> 01:15:33 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:15:33 --> 01:15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's about it for now.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll see right here.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's spring break for the kids here.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to do a little traveling.
01:15:41 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But you and I should talk with Sarah.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: have a chat with her, see when we can arrange that.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Sarah, if you're listening, we'll be in touch and we'll figure something out.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she's done with her staycation or not, or I'm sure she is.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a couple of weeks now.
01:15:56 --> 01:15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we'll find some time.
01:15:58 --> 01:16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I know Nicole from never mind the music really wanted to talk about the season.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't found a chance for that.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But then
01:16:11 --> 01:16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: John from Dune Minute, who, of course, I had a conversation with Ian with, uh, he message me and he's like, hey, you know, can we talk about the, maybe you should make a game show like Alicia does?
01:16:21 --> 01:16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was thinking, and then, uh, I was going to see if I was going to reach out to Ian for the captain's pod, and so maybe I could get Nicole Ian and John, uh, together for, uh, a chat.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be a game show.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not listening.
01:16:35 --> 01:16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:16:35 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do a game show thing.
01:16:36 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
01:16:37 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you can.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I can get a motion.
01:16:41 --> 01:16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a crappy moment.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:43 [UNKNOWN]: I'm going.
01:16:43 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going at Mohan.
01:16:45 --> 01:16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:16:46 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:16:47 --> 01:16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm CML.
01:16:49 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to be all soulful and talk about camera movements and, you know, multi, multi story layering of, you know, rabbinical names and things like that.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not clever like Alicia with.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Beth's ship name meant you you give you feedback.
01:17:06 --> 01:17:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll make up.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll make up.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you you write me.
01:17:08 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll do that at the end.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You can write me a bunch of questions and uh okay.
01:17:12 --> 01:17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll read okay.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So but that may not be neither of those may be for a hot minute because I'm going to be out for the rest of the week next week.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's right.
01:17:21 --> 01:17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how we're going to get scheduling done.
01:17:24 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll say we'll say we'll be in touch.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:28 [SPEAKER_03]: But for now you have our opinions on the finale.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:58 [SPEAKER_01]: and see at floorhounds.com and then there's the discord there's the channel in the discord that's where people be chattin did you uh we did not hear any reactions from you about mall episodes I've not watched it yet you've not watched it yet before oh my god my god what are you doing what are you
01:18:00 --> 01:18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: One piece, did you guys get your one piece?
01:18:02 --> 01:18:03 [SPEAKER_03]: We recorded it and I have to put it out.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll put it within the next day or two.
01:18:06 --> 01:18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, good.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:10 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened to, um, uh, I have to put that out.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, no, that's, that'd be self-directed record.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We have like, we have like a whole crew now.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see?
01:18:16 --> 01:18:17 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why.
01:18:17 --> 01:18:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I saw it.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:19 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a crew now.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like Marilyn.
01:18:21 --> 01:18:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Nicole.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
01:18:24 --> 01:18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Richard.
01:18:25 --> 01:18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
01:18:27 --> 01:18:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And Alicia are going to be joining in.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:31 [SPEAKER_03]: If we can coordinate.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's big.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Project Hail Mary.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's called.
01:18:34 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the Gosling.
01:18:36 --> 01:18:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you call it.
01:18:38 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Project Hail Gosling.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:40 --> 01:18:42 [SPEAKER_03]: His name is Dr. Grace, because you get it.
01:18:42 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Hail Mary Full of Grace.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Raise.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Raise.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:18:45 --> 01:18:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Lord is with thee.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And also with you, what else is happening, um, what do you say change that now it's hidden with your spirit?
01:18:54 --> 01:18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's weird.
01:18:55 --> 01:19:00 [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't know that that happened in like, they happened like 15 years ago, they changed it to and with your spirit.
01:19:01 --> 01:19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's kind of creepy.
01:19:02 --> 01:19:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it too.
01:19:03 --> 01:19:05 [SPEAKER_03]: It should be and also with you.
01:19:05 --> 01:19:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, right.
01:19:07 --> 01:19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What else do we got going on?
01:19:10 --> 01:19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's all a bit of a blur right now.
01:19:13 --> 01:19:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Daredevil born again.
01:19:15 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_03]: They're doing that over there on the ECU stuff The boys the boys is happening on the radioactive rambling's feed so make sure you go to the other feed for that I was just working on lower-hounds feed first so that I don't forget things
01:19:27 --> 01:19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We have, uh, I know I'm just kind of like, free-forming it here.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like not even an outline part for this yet.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, um, mall, we're doing mall, shadow lord.
01:19:36 --> 01:19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a, I have a, Brian and, uh, Jean seemed to be like, I think we've got a groove going on now.
01:19:41 --> 01:19:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So I, I think you should continue that.
01:19:44 --> 01:19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm Richard May.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, uh, jump in with us a little bit.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the Punisher special presentation coming up.
01:19:50 --> 01:19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Jean said they're going to cover that.
01:19:53 --> 01:19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, devilware's product to that movie.
01:19:55 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely need to cover some of that.
01:19:56 --> 01:19:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The terror on AMC.
01:19:59 --> 01:20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just looking at the show tracker just reading down the list here.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Mandalorian and Grogu.
01:20:05 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: God, I can't believe that things about the be out as well.
01:20:08 --> 01:20:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So we got a lot of having up.
01:20:09 --> 01:20:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And as soon as we're going to have House of the Dragon and Vampireless Dot being our new two big shows with a summer.
01:20:15 --> 01:20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Bro, I'm trying to watch season one.
01:20:18 --> 01:20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I already expressed this opinion a couple of times.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It's depressing, right?
01:20:23 --> 01:20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's depressing.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just such a depressing show.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm reading a depressing book right now.
01:20:28 --> 01:20:32 [SPEAKER_03]: That's very similar in vibe to Game of Thrones, like George R. Martin actually likes it.
01:20:32 --> 01:20:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I do a mix.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I do a mix of my Kindle at home and then my tiny little baby reader on the go.
01:20:39 --> 01:20:40 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no.
01:20:40 --> 01:20:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a book that George R. Martin recommended, so you can imagine it's quite dark.
01:20:48 --> 01:20:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I'll talk about that on second breakfast.
01:20:51 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_03]: For now, don't forget about probably Howard's.
01:20:53 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we?
01:20:53 --> 01:20:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we?
01:20:55 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: What are they?
01:20:55 --> 01:20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They're about to have something else here.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me look them up in their show tracker because we have a show tracker just for that.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They just did the clue and up coming is the born legacy and then really interesting film called Meeks Cutoff is coming and then they'll be in their home stretch.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: edge of tomorrow night hawks moon raker and thelma.
01:21:17 --> 01:21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a really eclectic season, but and again, the the hook is that you don't have to watch the movies that they're covering.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You just have to listen to them because it's it's a good hang as they say in podcasting land.
01:21:33 --> 01:21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It was hilarious.
01:21:35 --> 01:21:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, my millennial heart just jumped up in the air because I just saw that when you were young is the next song that they're going to do, I'll never mind the music by the killers.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a millennial anthem.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I've heard that song when you were.
01:21:52 --> 01:21:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll sing the whole thing for you right now.
01:21:54 --> 01:21:55 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:21:55 --> 01:21:57 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's a great great song.
01:21:57 --> 01:22:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I play it on the piano right now for my kids, they like it.
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01:23:18 --> 01:23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Genie L, a new alarm master, whoop, whoop, whoop, and forever last, never least, Adrienne.
01:23:24 --> 01:23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all so very much.
01:23:25 --> 01:23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like seriously, I really appreciate you.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks everybody, it's been a fun season.
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