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00:26 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, Salasins.
00:28 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We're calling in emergency council meeting in the mids to discuss how you are all feeling about the season so far.
00:34 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the first will shift dust podcast mail bag for silo season three today discussing thoughts and feelings shared about the first two episodes of this season.
00:45 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is, of course, separate from our deep dive episode breakdowns, which you will also find in this feed.
00:50 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I recommend giving them a listen first as we're sure to be referring to discussions we have had there as we work through what everyone else has to say.
01:00 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So my name for any newbies is Alicia and I'm representing the book readers and I'm here as always with Luke, our resident show only fan.
01:09 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke, hit him with our official spoiler policy.
01:12 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we are allowed to talk about anything that's happened in season 1.
01:18 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: on two, and we're also allowed to speak about anything that's happened up to season three, episode two.
01:25 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Alicia's also able to talk about anything that has happened in the books in season one, so we're not up to episode two of season three that we've seen on screen, but she can't talk past that point, and that also includes stuff that was mentioned in the trailers for season three, but we haven't got to that yet.
01:46 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_02]: so we can't talk about anything we haven't already got to.
01:50 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:51 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically, if it hasn't been in an official episode, we will not be bringing it up in this episode.
01:59 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're looking for the full spoiler discussions with all the book details, stay tuned until the end where I'll tell you more about the book club.
02:07 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And just to heads up, we do have screeners, which is how we can get these episodes out as the embargo lifts, which is midnight Pacific time on episode day, but we are not watching ahead of the episode that we are currently recording at any given time except full disclosure.
02:23 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We've both seen episode three.
02:25 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We will not be talking about that today, but we're preparing for this episode, of course.
02:29 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
02:29 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we have screeners, because we are, of course, a very big
02:33 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I just crawled up inside myself now.
02:39 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you're not so lonely, you're not.
02:44 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So I end just for anyone who hasn't read the books.
02:46 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry, like the show, I always say, plays fast and loose with the bookblood.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So lots of new characters, different characters, live and die.
02:55 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I speculate, it's all genuine.
02:57 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I often really don't know where something's going, and I will keep my mouth shut if I do.
03:04 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, should we get into some of this feedback?
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's because we got quite a lot.
03:10 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Now opening the listener feedback channel.
03:15 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So this first one is just a YouTube comment that I got that it was just me, I just wanted to throw it out there to see how people feel about it, if you have strong feelings either way right in.
03:25 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But JD Swanger 7943 wrote, is mandatory to always add the actor's name to the character's name.
03:33 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this refers to in the breakdowns the first time I say a character's name, I always follow it with the name of the actor playing that character.
03:40 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do that in part because I have heard in the past that a lot of people like it, but if more people find it annoying, let me know and um, I'll say, I'll give it a think.
03:51 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:53 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So, just tell us what to do and we'll go along with the majority decision.
03:57 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize we had a decision.
03:58 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as we agree, yeah.
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not as we agree.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't realize.
04:01 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It publishes to my YouTube automatically.
04:04 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
04:04 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed actually, like, I need to spend more to, obviously, I'm sorry.
04:08 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't do video that might be something for in the future, but it's just a whole other thing.
04:13 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, and I don't properly tend to my YouTube channel.
04:16 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I realize for some reason it's publishing the episodes twice.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, I gotta look at that.
04:21 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think I know why I actually thought.
04:24 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, can we can we please not do video?
04:27 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'd have to think about how I look.
04:29 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
04:29 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a whole other thing with editing too.
04:35 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:35 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just a whole other layer of, you know, I'm doing all the production.
04:40 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's already a lot which is the audio side.
04:43 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think about like experimenting with, you know, short videos, like,
04:50 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: taking a clip from our thing and doing, you know, explainers with it footage, whatever, I don't know, anyway.
04:58 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about it.
04:58 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be cool, but where are we going to find the time?
05:02 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_02]: People are, are we going to find the tell?
05:04 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Have more people want to join the book club than that would literally buy me more time?
05:10 --> 05:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
05:11 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
05:12 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Now via email, we heard from, so before we have before we get into the episode itself, we do have a couple of comments on the breakdown of the opening, the new opening for season three.
05:23 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And so one was an email from Daisy 77 that said,
05:27 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: your in-depth analysis of this great show.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Daisy.
05:30 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Just wanted to pop in to say that the dropping fruit in the opening credits of this show is a shriveled peach.
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Not an apple, not a pumpkin.
05:37 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I admitted immediately.
05:39 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a pumpkin.
05:41 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, she says for sure this makes sense if we are venturing into the demise of the sila system.
05:46 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say, yeah, the whole decay thing, like the change in the intro is mostly geared toward showing decay.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that makes sense.
05:55 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think
05:56 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: we were just thrown by the stem.
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke, I put an image in there.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
06:03 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now that I would have said apple, but now, now Daisy's mentioned it.
06:08 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it does look more like a peach.
06:10 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the other reason we were thinking of apple was the funeral scene in with.
06:16 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Merjons in season one, where they could have the whole thing of fighting an apple and throwing it in the ground.
06:22 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so for that, I mean, that's not what I was thinking of, but because for that, they do a bunch of different fruit.
06:30 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And actually in the buckets of tomato that Julia bites and throws in, but I'm like, okay, better on apple.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
06:36 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's got a more satisfying crunch.
06:38 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do, I like I love tomatoes, but just biting into one raw tomatoes is like that.
06:45 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Although I guess if you have like a cherry tomato, it's basically that.
06:51 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I think for me, it was the stem that was throwing me because, uh, so this rotting decaying fruit is replacing a ripe peach that was falling from a green leafy tree in the original version of the opening.
07:06 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And that one did not have a stem.
07:09 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I did a little Google and like, yeah, yeah, yeah, peach stems do look like that.
07:14 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So good call Daisy, thank you.
07:18 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and we also heard about the intro from Jenny on discord so happy to be here discussing the show with you all.
07:23 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening to the pod and Alicia mentioned the changes to the intro.
07:27 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them being the addition of a light bulb.
07:30 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_01]: A line that really caught my attention watching the episode last night was when the new supply shadow can't remember her name was Orla.
07:36 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, mention something about critical supply, things stored by founders like light bulbs.
07:42 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember any mention of supply stored by the founders in the previous seasons, and that got me thinking, they must have an idea how long everyone will need to stay underground if they were able to stock enough critical supply.
07:55 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't some to math about the rate of change for the number of lightbulbs over time.
08:01 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha, we can's changing lightbulb joke.
08:04 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it, Jenny.
08:05 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And what happens when they run out of critical supply?
08:08 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So many fun questions to ponder.
08:10 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to zip my lips on this, but I'm very curious what you think Luke.
08:15 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now that is a very interesting question, Jenny, very
08:19 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that is up in my own level of tinfoil hat and yeah, like how did they know how many locals to put down how do they know how long the people are going to be in the silos?
08:32 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, we've seen that we've seen that the silo does have quite substantial manufacturing capacity.
08:41 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, presumably there will be some stuff.
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking particularly for the computer system.
08:47 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there's that rule you can't magnify things.
08:50 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be extremely hard if not impossible to make so.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really good code journey.
09:01 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_02]: category necessarily, although I am sort of now waiting to meet the head of like glass production.
09:08 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure they can, they can probably make glass, right?
09:12 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: All you need, you most need, like, sand for that, right?
09:15 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:17 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we needed geologists to weigh in on the soil, but I guess I'm still not supposed to say where I think this is.
09:23 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so it's basically some potash and a lot of heat.
09:28 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they can, I think they can do that.
09:31 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But what's in the filaments?
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I'm not really sure.
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, yeah.
09:36 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a really good point, Jenny.
09:40 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I am officially inducing you into the oil order of the tinfoil hat, it's a great honor.
09:46 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the first thing I've faced with the first in books taking the order of the tinfoil hat.
09:53 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, you'll have to give me your meeting minutes, so let's duck into the first episode.
10:03 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have the, yeah, we'll talk first through the things that people sent in after episode one, and then we'll talk about after episode two.
10:11 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony C. sent in an email after episode one.
10:14 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Lisha, Luke, great to have you both back.
10:16 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm afraid to read any comments against spoilers.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed episode one.
10:20 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think my tin foil hat is the same brand as Luke's.
10:25 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is different to what it was last season.
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaning toward aliens now.
10:30 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: On another note, it's kind of sad to see the powerhouse Juliette was in her current state.
10:36 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not herself, as we say in Ireland, I hope she snaps out of it, great acting from Rebecca Ferguson, though.
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Another question I have is, why Georgia?
10:45 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Really looking forward to the rest of the season in the podcast.
10:49 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So Luke, you want to go first on this one?
10:52 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I mean, I, I, I still think in aliens based on episode one and two, um, not sure what type of aliens are because as we've already seen in Beacon 23 and other show them, the unleashed dead, um, inspired by Hugh Howe novels, Hugh Howe, you can get very creative when he's talking about aliens, what they are and how they look.
11:17 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, I'm still leaning towards aliens, but probably not of the, probably not of the two arms two legs and a head variety.
11:28 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it is great acting by Rebecca Ferguson and what what I really like about it is, it's quite of the fact she's got memory of who she is or who anybody else is Julia is still recognizably Julia.
11:47 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: the way she insults someone's tattoo.
11:49 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the way she insults someone's tattoo.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Someone she's just met by the way.
11:53 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:53 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any thoughts about why with the Georgia connection is?
11:58 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I know I was going to leave that to you because I mean lots of stuff gets filmed in Georgia right as I had decided.
12:05 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true but I'll say the Georgia thing comes for the books but I think as far as why Georgia just say because for of the new characters that we've met are from Georgia.
12:20 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that is also the case in the book that they're from Georgia.
12:24 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if there was a reason that Hugh Howe specifically chose that location to be Frank.
12:29 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, also, one of my tinfoil had theories is right, the wide Georgia question doesn't matter because there's thousands of silos everywhere, basically.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So these are just the ones we happen to see.
12:42 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
12:43 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's checking in with Daniel King Georgia 15 from because that's the district that's Daniel represents from Reddit.
12:54 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I tend to view the characters as shades of gray.
12:57 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There isn't necessarily just good or bad, but more human in their portrayals.
13:02 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Camille is a good person who wants to do the right thing.
13:05 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw compassion when she let Juliet and the others go when she could have turned them in.
13:10 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What influences their decisions is the information they're provided which we've seen is manipulated for whatever agenda.
13:17 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: As a book reader, I'm being very careful here to forgive any generalizations.
13:21 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Information control is a theme author, how we and show creator, host, play with and focus on.
13:28 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We're essentially watching a microcosm of our present world with technology influencing information and how information used is used as a form of control.
13:38 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that controlled genuinely intended to help or harm the silos
13:50 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts in that opening were for we continue.
13:53 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I agree.
13:54 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think I'll let L'Invention of the Sims Nards scale, you know, from good it's good to buy this body is a good one because everybody in this show is to some extent shaped grain, they are fully rounded characters.
14:09 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I do slightly disagree about Camille because whilst I think she probably is trying to do the right thing,
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: from her point of view.
14:19 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I also think she's naturally drawn to power, she wants to be in charge or she wants to be around the people who are in charge.
14:31 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we'll probably pick up on this when we do our episode three show, the dynamic between Camille and Robert.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: This is really interesting.
14:41 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, I, I short of agree with that up until a point, but I do think Camille was someone who's naturally drawn to power, and it's prepared to do fairly underhand the things to get it.
14:56 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Daniel King does actually continue by elaborating on their Camille stance.
15:01 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So they say Camille is working with the algorithm, quote unquote, who wants to save the sila.
15:07 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: For Camille, their goals are aligned, and she's apparently doing what the algorithm is telling her to save her family in 10 people.
15:14 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: we know she was told to double the drugs for Juliet.
15:18 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What else was she?
15:20 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She was told we don't know.
15:21 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: She was probably told the Bernardo's a threat and that Juliet is necessary for the survival of the silo, but must be handled, quote unquote, as what she knows could either save them or break them.
15:32 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say again, this was after episode one.
15:34 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We did give a bit more clarification in that episode too.
15:37 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they continue.
15:38 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: In the end, I believe Camille is a generally good person trying her hardest and extreme circumstances.
15:45 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I never found her problematic as I've read from a few on the sub.
15:49 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She's an incredibly intelligent person who seems to want to ensure people are safe and survive, especially as her son is part of the silo.
15:57 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what may truly be going on if there's more to the story than already shown, as we're not privy to the conversations
16:07 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we got a bit more in this episode too.
16:09 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: In the end, I don't believe she has malicious intent.
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She's working with whatever information it's given her.
16:16 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, whether this is the right way to move forward is a bigger question in the story, which I can't get into as it's beyond the scope of what viewers have been shown.
16:25 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It certainly poses the dilemma of information control and whether full transparency or control disclosure is beneficial.
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's philosophical and requires a few drinks, L-O-L.
16:36 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: TLDR.
16:37 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Personally, I'm for full transparency, yet that also depends on the circumstances.
16:42 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: In this case, if people are told the full truth, it may break them and lead to a rebellion as we're told has happened.
16:49 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It might be tent amount to everyone finding out extraterrestrial life exists and we've already made contact with the world in this, by the way, this part, for anyone who doesn't know is referring to the news, Steven Spielberg movie, Disclosure Day.
17:03 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Would the world disintegrate or would humanity accept the information and order and peace hold?
17:09 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a dilemma that involves so many variables in the end the safety and security of everyone is the ultimate goal and sometimes information needs to be handled to ensure it as human nature is a tricky thing.
17:21 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Then again, it shouldn't be up to any one person or group to make such decisions.
17:26 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: An authoritarian regime and those never end well.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It depends on your view of humanity.
17:34 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have faith in the quote unquote good of people, you would trust them to make the right decisions and fully inform them.
17:40 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It becomes subjective.
17:43 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it obvious on my psychologist, LL, sorry for the longer apply?
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Luke, thoughts.
17:49 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes, certainly the founders, the people that wrote the pact and the order had specific purpose in mind and that goes back to what was being said that people can't people won't be able to handle the truth of the situation in their end, so better come up with a better to come up with a comforting line than an impossible to handle the truth.
18:18 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think we're sort of seeing this with the Patrick Kennedy group because they're sort of pursuit for pursuit of truth.
18:28 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Made well and made well and no getting them killed because they're barking up completely the wrong tree or at least it looks at our point.
18:36 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like they're barking up the wrong tree.
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I think the, the whole
18:44 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole sort of, I think it's right to say that one of the premises of Siler is what information can you trust to get a controller information, how is that information produced and reproduced and I don't doubt that Bernard and now Camille think they're doing the right things.
19:03 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But like I say, and this is true for Bernard as it is for Camille, I think they're both drawn to power, they're both like it.
19:11 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_02]: the fact that they know more than everybody else around them.
19:16 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they derived some kind of satisfaction from that fact.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it makes them bad people.
19:24 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think it makes them easier for the algorithm to exploit.
19:28 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I mean, I'll say that there's a reason why I was just thinking that so we we have a response from a psychologist here.
19:37 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say a little tease in advance.
19:39 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to kick up kick off the episode to conversation with a voicemail from Nicole from never mind the music who is a professor of psychology.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you mean episode three?
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.
19:51 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that this feedback episode.
19:53 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
19:54 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: In this episode.
19:56 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
19:57 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, so, and, and, you know, I've already I've said before that I have a background in psychology, although I went to grad school and then I took a left turn and got into writing instead.
20:09 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's, I think there's a reason why this story in either book and or TV form,
20:17 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: draws people who are interested in psychology, because it does really dig down deeply into that.
20:22 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you find that interesting, then you're going to find this interesting.
20:25 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I see some people who are like, oh, it's boring.
20:30 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, you're just, yeah, you're not into the psychology of it in the politics.
20:34 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, yeah, that's, the commentary on human nature and the cyclical cycles we go through.
20:42 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, yeah, that's kind of,
20:44 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this isn't something with, you know, I don't want to say things that it's not because I don't want a pool on tin foil hat corner, but like it's not like this is not going to be, I don't know, like terminator or whatever.
20:50 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're, I think you're,
21:01 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't completely eliminated robots from the future, but I have no.
21:06 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying there's no robots, I'm just saying the T1000, I feel comfortable saying, and I hope everyone's cool with me saying the T1000 does not show up.
21:16 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, don't.
21:20 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I just yet that I think,
21:24 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What I really like about sci-fi is when or fantasy, you know, it's like the same, you know, I've been gushing about the vampire list on and yes, it's like a fun show about vampires very heartbreaking too, but at the end of the day, both of them are using slightly fantastical platforms to just explore humanity and sociology, humanity as an individual and collective sense.
21:52 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'll say the one thing the Daniel King GA 15 said that I would push back on site layers if you have faith in the good of people you would trust them to make the right decisions and fully inform them and
22:05 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I don't, I think that I, I would just make a separation between the goodness of people and I, I think that people can have good intentions and still make decisions that are not for the greater good.
22:19 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm going to ask someone from Britain.
22:21 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have any opinions about this, bring brings me back to one of my favorite quotes ever from Tommy Lee Jones in Manning Black, a person is smart people are dumb panicking animals.
22:36 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just think that like, and it is, I always have these discussions, you know, I bring up all the time that, you know, when I went to school, I studied psychology and economics at the same time, and the economics classes were driving me crazy.
22:48 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Granted, this 20 years ago, but they just, I was like, yes, that is objectively perhaps how people should behave, but it's not what people actually do!
23:02 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think, yeah, I think that people make the wrong decisions for the right reasons.
23:08 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the time.
23:09 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's what Camille character who is like the center of this feedback is particularly perhaps emblematic of or Bernard before her perhaps.
23:21 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
23:22 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's take a quick break here.
23:25 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And when we come back, we're going to continue with some more episode one feedback before getting into episode two.
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Be your back.
23:37 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so, also unread it, extravagant comment says, non-book reader here, for me, the biggest unanswered questions are, what is the purpose of the silos?
23:48 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: When people go out to clean, what is it that actually kills them?
23:52 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: What did Lucas tell Bernard that was so distressing it caused him to go out?
23:57 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the algorithm and what is its purpose?
24:00 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Overall, getting a bigger picture of what the world is like outside in Georgia and worldwide.
24:07 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And my other sources of hype are cannot wait for that annoying character common in Camille to get what's coming to them.
24:14 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So they continue to be...
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: controversial characters.
24:18 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
24:19 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to like speed run the answers to this.
24:22 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_02]: What is the purpose of the soil tied from the aliens?
24:25 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: What when people go out to clean what is it actually kills them?
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about the A.V.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: and the terror forming of its atmosphere.
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
24:32 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_02]: What did Lucas tell Bernard that was so distressing and causing to go out that there are aliens that they're interacting with the algorithm and that they ultimately troll the algorithm.
24:42 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
24:42 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: What is the algorithm on what is its purpose?
24:44 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a piece of software designed by the humans, the went into the site load.
24:48 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first place, so the founders and its job is to keep people in the site load.
24:54 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
24:55 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And what is the movement like outside in Georgia?
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And the rest of the world, it's being terrible.
25:00 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
25:01 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah, I can't say more than that.
25:10 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I do have like, okay, what if it weren't aliens?
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What else would your theory speed?
25:15 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I see some sort of environment or disaster, like I say, possibly nuclear war, but I hope not because I think that would be kind of lame.
25:26 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I am very much leaning to given the given the what the fuck clow I am leaning very much towards aliens
25:36 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:36 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:38 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And for anyone who doesn't didn't hear our previous episodes, what the fuck cloud is, is the thing that Charlie flew into.
25:45 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
25:47 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This texting guy says, on Reddit, and this is a response to the above, and I've slightly edited this one for books boilers.
25:54 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: My personal theories, the purpose was to save humanity.
25:58 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an AI amalgamation of several people, so some people have noted the primary voice sounds like Daniel Keane while some others have said one of the other voice's sounds like Senator Thurman.
26:09 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Simms, let's not confuse actors with their roles, honestly common has been fantastic bringing Sims to life, and I don't think they're evil or wrong, just following a path that has been counter to the main character.
26:23 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They have always done what they thought was best.
26:25 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Sims did what he did because he was a good soldier that followed Bernard's orders because he thought Bernard was doing the best for the silo.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Camille may have no choice.
26:35 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The algorithm may have told her that if she doesn't obey it, it will kill everyone else, including her son.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You think she's going to chance that?
26:43 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I suspect Sims and Camille will have redemption arcs or at least explaining why they've done what they've done.
26:49 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a suspicion that Sims may be working against Camille, actually.
26:52 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's responsible for the note, and may have not actually killed Bernard, though, the latter is really iffy in my mind.
27:00 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe he sent the note so she'd get a memory back and he could get some kind of vengeance for what Julia did his family.
27:05 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, we did this is, again, after episode 1, and we did learn an episode 2 that I guess
27:10 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're supposed to believe that the outsider is like Patrick Kennedy or Danny Bligh sent the note or Sandy.
27:17 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's something is Patrick.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but so this is right before that.
27:22 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think about what do your thoughts on the rest?
27:25 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm one of the people that said the algorithm sounds like Daniel King.
27:29 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad I'm not making it up.
27:31 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad other people, uh, can you do that?
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Here Senator Thurman.
27:36 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear, I didn't hear Senator Thurman, but it definitely sounds like Daniel King to make.
27:42 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I like I've said in the previous shows, I don't know what that means, but it definitely sounds like Daniel.
27:49 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't necessarily agree that Sims is the Robert Sims common character is a good soldier.
27:56 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he wanted to be the head of IT or at least shadow to the head of IT and then the head of IT.
28:00 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: In time he was doing, he was doing Bernard's bidding because of that.
28:03 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think that the sims are bad people, but I do think they are ambitious people.
28:06 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh, uh
28:16 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I think it is possible to go too far the other way.
28:20 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're entirely black hats, but I wouldn't call them good people either.
28:27 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And let's not forget the rubber Sims has killed several people on screen that we know of.
28:35 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:36 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, yeah, with the difference, the reason why I like Camille, like, I think they're both good characters.
28:44 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it seems as the one from the book for anyone who doesn't know Camille is new to the show.
28:49 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that might also have me more interested in her because I'm like, she's a wild card.
28:53 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
28:54 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's suddenly, she's the head of IT.
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's see for this girl's.
29:00 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I'm intrigued in that sense, but also I just, yeah, the thing that frustrates me with Sims, and this is like not unlike his book character, I'll say, although it's been much more fleshed out in the show, is things like, you know, a whole, waving a gun and not only Lucas, but his mother.
29:19 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And this whole concept that this text and guy touches on here, too, where it's like, does he just want to Julia to remember so that he could like hold her to account for for that time, she scared his son.
29:34 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's more pattyness to Sims, I'll say, and he's much more likely to fly off the handle with anger, which makes him a more worrisome character.
29:46 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: not Bernard, not the algorithm, ever wanted to make him head of IT.
29:51 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:52 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But Camille, I have a lot more respect for her in that regard.
29:57 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:58 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though, yeah, she's, she's willing to even deceive her husband as we saw last season, which is like, uh,
30:06 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this has jumped and I had a little bit to episode two, so we'll maybe might pick up on this, but I'm not sure Camille, I'm not sure Camille has the fortitude, but for better or worse, I don't think Camille has the fortitude that Bernard did.
30:20 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to doubt that when when the moment arrives she will do the she will do, what has to be done basically.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I could see
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's that is the question.
30:38 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: How is their relationship as a couple going to develop this season, how will that change each of them individually as well?
30:46 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I would I would make a bet not a big bet just maybe a pound or two that they are not a couple were the end of this season.
30:55 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we'll see.
30:57 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I love live.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we'll see you.
31:07 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
31:07 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, and Aaron K says, uh, Aaron K by the way, host of radioactive ramlings and co-hosts of Cosmere Corner coming soon and of this month.
31:19 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he said to the modern slash past question mark stuff had me way more hooked than I thought it would.
31:27 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Super fun to see Juliet start putting the pieces back together, although I hope we don't spend a long time with amees yet.
31:34 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is after episode one.
31:37 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you feeling you were also like wary of that, but are you feeling better about that plot line after episode two?
31:43 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_02]: To be on to be honest, I am enjoying the stuff.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: outside of Juliette and happening around Juliette.
31:51 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It knows that it doesn't bother me particularly.
31:54 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But I am still just a little bit like Juliette.
31:57 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's spent the whole of season two, wondering around the silo, solving puzzles.
32:02 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like she's going to spend a large part of season three, wondering around the different silo.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the story.
32:08 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the story.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called silo.
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I suppose.
32:12 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not not the silo, but the puzzle silo, yeah,
32:17 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll say they did, I mean the show is really amped up certain mystery box elements, but as someone will point out in the feedback for episode two, it seems that the mystery is lobbed.
32:30 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Billings way right now.
32:31 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But like I've said before, even Nigeria is the main character.
32:37 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy the stuff.
32:39 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like the entire series is built around Julia.
32:44 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Or I care less about what's happening to Julia than I care about what's happening to people like Billings.
32:51 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
32:52 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Your favorite character, so.
32:53 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
32:56 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
32:57 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So, why be is a Shirley-At-Truther, and she says, so good to be back in silo-18, and see all you familiar faces and new ones.
33:06 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope Shirley and Juliet managed connect properly and have an honest and private conversation before the end of the season.
33:13 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Juliet said, I heard we used to be friends, and Shirley says something like that, which is interesting, side-eye emoji, heart-eye emoji.
33:21 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it could just be a mic from Stranger Things, not friends, best friends thing.
33:27 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just strange things, Maltsboro.
33:28 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's such a... John and I made some fun of that in our Stranger Things podcast.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a line delivery.
33:34 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And what it is, it was.
33:35 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, but how would one choose between Shirley and Lucas?
33:39 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They are both so gorgeous and brave and awesome.
33:42 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But I fear Shirley and before Juliet are both so hotheaded, the silo would last five minutes if they paired up.
33:50 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I am not having this noxorasia.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Where is noxor?
33:54 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure, ox is a thing.
33:56 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They are going strong as we've seen.
34:00 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He carried her away when she was waiting for days outside Julia's hospital.
34:06 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, you gotta come home.
34:08 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I will not stand this noxor right here.
34:11 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Shirley and Knox have registered their partnership?
34:15 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you think they are too... Oh no, I think they are definitely on the download.
34:21 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like, F authority.
34:23 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't care if people notice.
34:24 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I don't think I don't declare officially registered.
34:32 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Read a report and says after sitting on it a while, I don't love the amnesia trope as a rule, and I'm glad it seems they are tying it directly to the world building.
34:42 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think whatever is in the pills that makes her forget is a diluted version of their quote unquote oil from the modern day plot line that makes Charlotte forget.
34:50 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So like the what the fuck cloud.
34:53 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am, I am, we will, I think we will talk more about that when we do our episode three breakdown.
35:00 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I am, I am sort of starting to think along similar lines.
35:06 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
35:07 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And Jenny responded to that.
35:09 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I was reading it the other way.
35:11 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They are making Charlotte forget what she saw and pretending she has a TBI to cover their reception.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But I like your theory better.
35:18 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to trust the politicians.
35:22 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, the TCS says, I'm appreciating the changes from the book very much.
35:27 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with Luke that Anna having to repeat Charlotte's information to Senator Thurman is an issue.
35:33 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure it's a statement about geriatrics in office, but it did stand out to me.
35:38 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Jenny responded, not directly to that, but I'm tying it together here because this part of Jenny's feedback ties directly to this.
35:48 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: She said, OK, my thought of the day, what if Senator Thurman is also under the influence of these memory drugs and her daughter is actually pulling some of the strings in her office?
35:58 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There was that one moment in the first episode when the center couldn't remember Charlotte's name.
36:02 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, referring to the same thing.
36:03 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And her daughter told her just after Daniel left, why show us that moment if there isn't
36:08 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's.
36:10 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that Jenny that could very well be true.
36:14 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And the TCS, likewise, you know, I think it's an interesting moment, but I just thought it was a little bit.
36:23 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was a commentary on Jerry Act on senators and representatives that stayed too long in office.
36:30 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: basically because that is a very real issue in the United States of the moment.
36:36 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought it was a show having a, having a moment to make it make a little bit of a point.
36:41 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure.
36:42 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess my book knowledge, if there's something going on with Senator Thurman's memory, I'll just say it would be in addition, that doesn't mean it's not happening because certainly they've been doing things like that, see Julie yet, which is actually a trans post storyline from another part of the novel that they're just not gonna do because they can't do multiple timelines at the same time.
37:03 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense, they put that in Julie, that's part of the timeline rather than having
37:11 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so I don't, if something's happening to senators, they're a Thurmond's memory, it's new.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't mean it's not happening.
37:21 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that multiple people are noting this moment, probably maybe there is something significant.
37:27 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting that there's this stenson clinic that Pierce Stenson apparently set up for his mother who had Alzheimer's.
37:40 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, one does have to wonder if there's some tie in there.
37:45 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I honestly don't know.
37:47 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be keeping track of that.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for flagging that for me.
37:53 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The TCS also said I find myself wondering since it seems like there will be so much detail why the founders didn't plan out where to mine so that they aren't having caveins.
38:02 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be hard to do that, but I feel like someone would have thought of it, and Cincinnati Joe replies 300 years is a long time.
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Caveins, etc.
38:11 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: would change things, and there seems to be few texts directly from the founders other than the pact and secret stuff just for IT.
38:19 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think about the mines and the mapping of caveins?
38:23 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm with Cincinnati Joe here, like there's only so much the founders could have done, like you can't plan for every contingency over 300 years, and also if you want to put
38:36 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to put multiple silos in close proximity to each other and not have them interact with each other then yes, that is just going to lead to strict limits on what you can do as far as tunneling.
38:51 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_02]: goes.
38:52 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think I was talking about this in season one and season two and I still think this is true that at some point in the past between the Washington DC timeline and the silo 18 timeline there was a point at which all of the silo were interconnected with each other.
39:12 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I think those connections have been severed for whatever reason, but I just don't see why you would build them as completely separate, stand by loan entities.
39:22 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we've been given an explanation for that yet.
39:25 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So until, until we are, my head cannon, is that at some point in the past, you could actually like move from Silent 17 to 18 to 19?
39:43 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
39:45 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have thoughts on this whole thing about whether or not the minds are or should have been planned, but I don't want to say too much about it.
39:55 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We might be talking about the minds more this week.
39:59 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll just say that it is different, that it seems to be that the entrance to the mines in this case, like they're mining up around the side to the silo.
40:07 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about this in the main episode breakdown, whereas in the books, it makes it sound like more like they're mining underneath.
40:13 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I presume this probably has to do with some real geology about where exactly iron ore ore is in the soil.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, good questions, good questions.
40:27 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Doves 71 says, thanks, Alicia and Luke, cracking opening pot a great way to get us back into the world of silos, some thoughts after listening.
40:35 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, a little discussion of the change to opening credits.
40:38 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: When I thought about the apple and the opening, I thought about the biblical connection Adam and Eve, the loss of innocence of silasins and thinking they are unique.
40:47 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_01]: could the Apple be a metaphor for the general lack of knowledge or an awakening?
40:52 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It being rotten perhaps, alluding to the pact, is starting to be exposed, think limits on mind chefs, obviously not to meet other silos, minds.
41:03 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The, and the underlying rot at the heart of why the silos exist.
41:09 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say, so we did already talk about that maybe it actually was a peach, but I think this is interesting to discuss and I'll say list 2 also said something similar, but he said it in a book reader way, so Abby and I will talk about that more in the spoiler podcast, but it touched on the similar themes about this, but yeah, I still think the theme is is interesting, even if it is a peach, what do you think?
41:38 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think there's, I think there is, but I think there is possibly, there is possibly something to that.
41:46 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_02]: After watching the first two episodes, I think it's also more indicative of just like the general wear and tear of the silo that we're being sort of exposed to.
41:55 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm particularly after the bomb going off at the end of season two, I think there are some like them.
42:01 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: not only with the stairs, but I think the wider sort of structural or organizational issues with the silo as well.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's also a metaphor for the physical state of the silo as well.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
42:20 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I, too, picked up on that strangeness of the death of Bernard, is Sims a reliable narrator in that scene, relaying how he took care of Bernard to Camille.
42:31 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he knows his fate from the books.
42:35 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bernard dies with the end of the first book.
42:38 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We are past that point and I can say that.
42:40 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I always thought Camille seemed to be the strategic player with Sims being the more action-oriented of the two in their power couple dynamic.
42:49 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm with Luke on the almost messianic vibe of the meat and greet with Juliet, reinforced by relics.
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Never a good thing is it.
42:59 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: She's the savior of the silo.
43:01 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The jib on engineers is specific to Daniel's service.
43:05 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
43:06 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's pause here and come back to it.
43:08 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, thoughts on these first two things.
43:10 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Next, bodies.
43:12 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've got to say to really hard to really hard to talk about with other spoilers.
43:19 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_02]: All I will say is that Robert Sims has never been reliable about anything in his life.
43:25 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_02]: If Sims tells you something, if at least two other people don't tell me the same, I'm not believing it.
43:32 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair.
43:34 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say Bernard is also a liar liar pencil fire.
43:40 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and the other thing Dube says is that the job on engineers is specific to Daniel's service.
43:46 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The Army Corps of Engineers is different to combat engineering units in the U.S. Army.
43:51 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The Corps of Engineering does a lot of civilian infrastructure projects such as the levees in New Orleans and is more a federal agency.
44:00 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's 97% staffed by civilians, with military support.
44:04 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Sappers, in quotes, which is what I was during my service, are frontline regularly first in a last-out-type troops, breaching minefields, building bridges, that kind of thing.
44:17 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Dube has a background in the UK military.
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that starts a really good point.
44:23 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Army Corps of Engineers is, despite the name, is a largely civilian agency, and one of the Trump administration in its infinite wisdom is messing with on a truly gut-gantuan scale, but we'll leave that, we'll leave that for another day.
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, save no islands.
44:42 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, very, very good point.
44:46 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, dude, for putting that out.
44:47 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to the military stuff, I definitely rely on you guys for that.
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45:13 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I suppose they put up, you know, they'll make up things to put in the background just so it looks, because it would look weird if there were no posters, but maybe they don't want to advertise some real-world thing, but sometimes they are connected to something on purpose.
45:29 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, we should watch out if there's like some eternal four-thing game or something that comes back.
45:38 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:39 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be particularly interested in it if it were some sort of game.
45:42 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I guess I'm getting like ready player one thoughts even though I'm not saying that's what that this is.
45:48 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But we did have the VR set which was new because again novel written more than a decade ago.
45:57 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So last season we saw there there was a VR set in the silo too in the vault.
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's true we did.
46:05 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the dinner in a show before Joe Meadows had to go before the boys and Mushrooms kill you.
46:12 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, motor riders also said doing every watch and noticing Juliette gets two pills of vitamins at the beginning of episode one and then what looks like six after the AI tells Camille to double the dosage.
46:27 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so she actually tripled it.
46:29 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I also noticed when Julia spat into the sink, I guess that was an episode two, it looked like she only spat one pill out, so I am confused about Julia's dosages.
46:39 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that we should necessarily look at that too closely, but... OK.
46:46 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and uh, he says that childish that she gets at the end.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks really good.
46:50 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I want soup like that.
46:52 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like creamy salmon, potato and other seafood soup with dill.
46:56 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, hold the huge metal pickle, please.
46:59 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:00 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It reminds me very much of a Scottish, um, soup called
47:09 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_02]: milk and butter I think and okay and time if I'm not mistaken but the restaurant down the road from me the war's front end does a very very good cotton skin and you can get into like future dog humans for the Scottish person about whether the correct way to make it is thick and lovely or smooth so yeah that that fish chowder reminded me very much of a cotton
47:38 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, that wraps up the episode one feedback.
47:41 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's take another quick pause here when we come back, we'll jump into episode two, starting with a voicemail from Professor of Psychology and a call from Nevermind the Music.
47:51 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Be right back.
47:54 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
47:56 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Nicole sent in a voicemail weighing in on her thoughts about the show in general, but also especially about these conversations that we've saw in particularly episode two about how memory works.
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is what she has to say.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Laura Hounds.
48:13 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Nicole here.
48:15 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Your neighborhood psychology professor from Nevermind the Music.
48:20 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also watching Silo.
48:24 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Very into it.
48:25 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Love a dystopian end of days narrative.
48:30 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But this season's episode to talk so much about memory, I had to share my thoughts because I was really impressed with how spot on they were around like, what we understand about memory.
48:45 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, the idea of implanting false memories was really interesting to me.
48:50 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that that's not entirely what they're talking about.
48:56 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: but the sense that you can and we can manipulate people's memories is very well researched and very proven to be true.
49:07 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If any listeners are really into reading white papers about psychology, I'd direct you to Elizabeth Loughd's research about implanting false memories.
49:18 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got some great white papers, but also a pretty cool TED talk too.
49:23 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And all the stuff they're talking about in silo that they can shift people's memories and block them out either with psychopharmacology, like with pills or drugs, is definitely true.
49:38 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Trauma can also change the things that we remember.
49:43 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And the best time to change someone's memory.
49:49 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: is around things that are really like emotionally heightened, specifically around trauma.
49:54 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot to unpack here.
49:57 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I was just really impressed at how thoughtful they were with this whole conversation, even though it was, yes, a million percent dystopian and creepy.
50:08 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: this idea that the body is going to remember even if you can't isolate an episodic memory or like a narrative memory your nervous system is going to react to stimulus that like would provoke that memory and we're seeing that in our main character in silo.
50:27 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing that when she holds the helmet, the memory is like confliting back to her.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a body memory.
50:33 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So, other stuff that kind of bubbled up for me while watching this was just the ethical awfulness of manipulating memories.
50:42 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that this doctor has done his preliminary research on prisoners or people with low socioeconomic status, that is a very real thing in our medical history,
51:01 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was creepy, and he came off as really kind, but he seems creepy, man, he seems pretty creepy.
51:09 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, some creepy stuff is going to be happening with the water in the silo, you know, the prompt was to enrich the water with D plus protein, I think you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
51:21 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, what was that plus about, like, why couldn't they, if they're giving her the meds, just put meds in everyone's water, they have complete control.
51:29 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm eager to see where this all goes.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They've definitely sparked me.
51:34 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've been a silo fan for a long time, even though I didn't read the books, and I probably won't.
51:39 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But I love where their show is going.
51:43 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this season has taken a really, really interesting turn, and I can't wait to see what happens next.
51:49 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But more so, I can't wait to hear what you say about what happens next.
51:53 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be listening.
51:55 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for giving me the opportunity to send you guys my thoughts.
51:59 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: if you have any other questions you can hit me up on discord or check out my podcast never mind the music where me and my buddy Mark do deep dives on pop culture songs that talk about music theory and psychology and surprisingly interesting ways.
52:13 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope you guys have a great day.
52:15 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope to talk to you soon.
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
52:19 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say there is a never mind music teaser in this same feed if you're in the public feed particularly, but I do recommend checking out their latest episodes.
52:30 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You go to the lorehounds.com and you will find that feed as well.
52:35 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so as far as which you had to say about memory, vindication.
52:39 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't.
52:40 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew this to be true, but I don't that's ever professor of psychology saying it.
52:45 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, what do you think?
52:46 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's really interesting.
52:49 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And Nicole, we are always welcome to come back on any of the feedback shows.
52:53 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be recording this season, because I'd love to hear what you think, a little bit further down the line.
52:58 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's, that's really interesting.
53:03 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I always have said about this, so I'll say that I do know based on things that Hugh Howard's written about writing silo, that he based this part of the story on an article that he read at the time, like before he wrote shift about some side effects of a drug called propanolone, which is used.
53:27 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: for various things and anxiety other things as well.
53:29 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But they noticed that it blocked in some ways the formation of traumatic memories and that's what inspired this whole part of the story.
53:37 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Although it's never called that in the books and it doesn't exactly work the same way, but that's where the inspiration came from.
53:43 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Very
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: grounded.
53:45 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I always have the feeling, not just because of that, but also just because of the way the pact and the order are written and in the books, there's even some very direct references to real famous psychology studies in our world.
54:05 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I always think, yeah, that you, how he is well read on the subject it seems.
54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He does have a good
54:15 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_01]: um yeah thank you again Nicole and please please send share your thoughts more we want to hear especially as I said this is going to be a psychology heavy season so definitely one more insights
54:28 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Marcus S says, I enjoyed how they intercut the DC and silo-18 stories in a way that the DC story explained how the memory drugs work, while the silo-18 story showed it being applied to a character, Juliet, whom we know so well.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.
54:46 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I really like the pairing of those stories.
54:50 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
54:52 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, why yans were said, love your last episode with Luke, it's always a huge pleasure, but as a Slavic person, I'm genuinely confused about the victors last name pronunciation, and I'll say there's an extra layer of confusion in here that we sort out in this, but just to read through what they originally wrote.
55:10 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only in your podcast, but also in the show.
55:12 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really simple name, churn of itch.
55:15 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_01]: C-Z, like C-Z in Czech Republic, comes from the color black in all the Slavic languages.
55:21 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Journey, yeah, it's black.
55:24 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But the way it was pronounced in the show, it's so confusing to wonder you also had a difficult time with it.
55:29 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say, so I looked it up the spelling again, and what those spelling that they used in the show
55:37 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Cerncovitch, so C are NKOVICH, and so why on said that they got that name spelling, the turn of it from this website that I shared on the discord called How did we lose this world.com?
55:58 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you go there, you can explore two types of computer setups you can switch between one that looks more like our real world and has information about that DC part of the plot line and one that looks like the silo computers and has information about that part of the plot line.
56:15 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is where they got that sure with the turn of it last name with the CZ.
56:23 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting, yeah, but it is Cerncovic, I think, right, please correct me from where I'm again.
56:31 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is interesting that there's that discrepancy because Cerncovic is what it is in the credits, and I'm going to be with her saying in the show.
56:43 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's another discrepancy that Colin Hanks character who's showing up later in the season.
56:49 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw him called Pierce in some places and pair in some other places, which I was like, is that a nickname?
56:55 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm like, no, I think I don't know.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, they changed the names of something.
56:59 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're, I think they may just be getting sloppy with the, with the spelling of the names.
57:03 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they, the marketing people?
57:05 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
57:06 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but I don't know that I don't think that that's it, it's too much of a change.
57:12 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so why on continues, I'm not the biggest experts about the actual origin of that name, it's the Sernkovich.
57:24 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, turn of it, looks check to me.
57:27 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Cerncovitch looks Serbian slash Croatian to me, and if it is, that it's supposed to be with a C with one of those little V-shaped accents on top, which would be again, Cerncovitch.
57:41 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But you were right about the, and I said, yeah, I said something, I replied about um, could it be something like the Ellis Island effect, you know, where a name goes through
57:55 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's an any of the above.
57:57 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't, I, thanks, uh, thanks young spore of again and touch with that and for, for giving us the background.
58:05 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this anything, um, anything we can read into the fact that it sprung to iteration into English is black or should be black?
58:15 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
58:16 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
58:16 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
58:19 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do wonder if there's any connection to the fact this is someone who seems to be from the former Yugoslavia.
58:28 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's that is a very good point.
58:31 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I consider that, but yes, because given where we think we are in the timeline, it's probably not too far into the future.
58:41 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a feeling that I know what the book timeline is and I know what the book timeline is.
58:47 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling that they've changed it slightly for the show.
58:51 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see, we'll see.
58:55 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Jenny says, great episode.
58:57 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so worried about Juliet.
58:58 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_01]: She's in danger.
58:59 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yikes.
59:00 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The nurse was so creepy sneaking around her room like that.
59:02 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting that we've seen that matchbox twice now.
59:06 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think?
59:07 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we be paying attention to the matchbox, Juliet's apartment?
59:11 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is an interesting point.
59:13 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we probably should, because I actually thinking about it, storage is probably a premium in the silo.
59:21 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, you are gonna use like matchboxes and stuff, I mean, there are matches in it.
59:26 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you are gonna use stuff like that to smuggle messages as well.
59:29 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, possibly.
59:32 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So, thinking some spycraft incoming.
59:34 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, possibly.
59:36 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_01]: How much lemon juice did they have?
59:39 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_01]: to write a visible message.
59:40 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, doves 71 says another great podcast out there.
59:44 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with Luke.
59:45 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they are portraying Daniel as a bit of a naive.
59:48 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Think Mr. Smith goes to Washington type.
59:51 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: First term congressman, but this feels perhaps like a...
59:56 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Poor directing choice more than anything as Daniel in these moments is a bit too disconnected from the reality of what is being done to his sister far too trusting and accepting Nice, okay, we'll come back to the rest of what he said and I am going to push back on poor directing choice.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just a character thing
01:00:18 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I am going to add to that, uh, what's Cincinnati, Joe says, since it's similar, just watched good episode, but some odd things, I don't understand how the doctor said they wiped Charlottes memories without giving much of a reason why I kept expecting Daniel to push back on how could they make such a decision for no reason other than her mission was traumatic.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's, again, going to just jump in here real quick, um, what they're telling Donald is not just that her mission is traumatic.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, yeah, it's not just that her mission was traumatic.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that she was in a massive jet crash.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So presumably that mean, and so they're saying it's a traumatic brain injury from that massive drug jet crash.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: not saying that we believe that, but that is what they're telling Daniel.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So just putting that out there if that helps.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But Cincinnati Joe continues, it would be more believable to show how the doctor claim is a bad brain injury, which he does.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That is what they claim.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're actually trying to get her memories back similar to what they were telling Julia and the silo.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that is like as far as getting her.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think I think what?
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think what?
01:01:31 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me just finish with it.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Since they're telling Daniel the truth about suppressing her memories, you think they wouldn't want him spending much time with her yet not until they are ready to rebuild.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's much more likely to trigger her memories than a reporter that Charlotte only recently met.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say that I think Vincent really Victor.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Victor really does want her to get back her Daniel related memories.
01:01:56 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, not whatever she was talking to the reporter about.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I think what Cincinnati Joe is saying is, why does Victor, oh no, it's the fact that he's deliberately suppressing memory.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Why not just tell Daniel, this is the memory losses of direct result of the TPI.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Victor's not a liar, but not completely.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Not completely, but yeah, I think like if there is nefarious stuff going on and they're clearly
01:02:28 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: because Victor's a better person than Camille or at slash the algorithm, perhaps?
01:02:33 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Possibly, but this is also a guy that's experimented on people with that concept.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But as Nicol just pointed out, that is extremely common in the history of...
01:02:44 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not that interesting.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that common in the present day.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's not uncommon in the present day, I'll say.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:02:53 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But I do like the fact that other people picked up on this because yeah, I mean, I think generally speaking, the quality of the writing I'm sorry, I love was taught not, but I do think that that's seen with that.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I just have to stop you here.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to stop you here.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot of arguing over here.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I am.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I am getting a little annoyed with people blaming the writing or directing when you just haven't gotten to know the characters yet and so rather than saying scapegoating and saying bad writing, bad directing, think about it.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but think about it in terms of why would that exist for these characters in these situations, things like that because I'm going to tell you, it's not a problem with the writing.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It is impervious.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: it is characterizing these characters.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I did notice, because there were a couple of other people in the discord that made the same point.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I think some sub-zero was one that I know, because I've been on the discord or I've tried to be on the discord.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought you were applied to things.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think sub-zero, I mean the point.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there is just something a little bit off about Daniel's reaction to Taya.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: situation, put it that way.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think what you said, you, would you call him Gaelis?
01:04:14 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that, that nails it on the head more than anything else.
01:04:18 --> 01:04:34 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, not to, not to forget that horse, but if somebody told you that they, that they deliberately suppressed your only family's memory of you and anything else, I don't care how Gaelis you are.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if somebody told you they deliberately put, you know, I'm going to use the same exact example, deliberately put your brother in a coma because he has a traumatic brain injury.
01:04:48 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And they have to let it heal.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But that, but that would be, but that would be an explanation as to what I like, take this.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that isn't the explanation as to why here because she's a traumatic brain injury and letting you heal.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what he said.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But surely messing with somebody's memories, I'm going to make a TPI worse.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
01:05:07 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're taking in brain that's already been injured and you're messing with it even more.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the idea is that it takes the pressure off the brain.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's, that's the idea they're selling.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying there's nothing nefarious going on.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that it's completely within Daniel's character to accept a medical explanation after his sister has gone through a physically traumatic event that he's told has given her a TBI, and it's not like he was like, oh, okay, and shrugged and walked away.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They went out in the garden and had a whole conversation where he asked a lot of questions
01:05:49 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's channeling his inner hell in for a second.
01:05:52 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, okay, fair enough, but I'm still not, I'm still not, I'm still not really sober.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a, yeah, I think we're just going to have to agree to the screen.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Nicole weigh in because nobody believes me unless you say it.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, yes, so I mean, it's just, it's just, yes, at the end of the day, we just
01:06:17 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I need you guys to channel more Daniel Browns.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And just, yeah, I mean, I guess my main thing is not don't question these things, but just don't immediately blame directing and writing because there are very good reasons that they're creating very consistent characters.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw throughout the episode every single time that Daniel was presented with information.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to interrogate that a little more and you're like, oh, and I don't think that that doesn't mean he's dumb.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I just said he tries hard and he trusts hard and that's the kind of person he is now.
01:06:57 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, I don't think he's dumb.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, yeah, no, I just I it's
01:07:04 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel like a natural reaction to the situations and that you put it that way.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, what a nightmare for doctors.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: If people got angry every time the doctors treated their loved ones after severe accident.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, not saying it's not nefarious just saying that I think, thankfully, it's not the norm to fly off the handle because the doctors didn't something to help.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so not what Victor is saying is, I have gone and deliberately messed with your sister's memory without properly explaining why that helps the TBI.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: BK is it's a side effect of the medication.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a side effect of the, in real life, it was a side, it's a real side effect, a propanelau.
01:07:52 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, if it is what he said, he might not have said side effect, but it is, like, that is absolutely, he said, it's my fault.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't remember when she gets better.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: we will start working the memories back in.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, we have very good reason, based especially on the Julia storyline to think there's something more sinister going on, but it's exactly the same as putting someone into a coma to allow their brain to heal.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like you're not like putting them in a coma because you want them to be in a coma, it's the side effect of how you're treating them in order to give them room to heal.
01:08:37 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe, but I just think we read that scene fundamentally in a different way.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll see if you feel the same later.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's also because like, you know, you didn't want to believe me that memory worked the way that Nicole says that it does, which it does work that way.
01:08:54 --> 01:09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it's maybe just having coming from different perspectives on
01:09:03 --> 01:09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:04 --> 01:09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: How will brain trauma's handle?
01:09:06 --> 01:09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and do 71 also said nice deep cut.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Babylon 5.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke classic sci-fi series, a real banger.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He says to me, replacing the calm stuff in the planes.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Very battle star Galactica coded non-networked anti-AI intrusion.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was a very good.
01:09:32 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I have to say actually Babylon 5 is now fiended because of a whole right dispute, um, that is very long and complicated and I don't know all the details it's now fiendishly hard to find.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, because as far as I know, at least in the UK, it isn't screaming anywhere at the moment.
01:09:52 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:09:54 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't know here.
01:09:55 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:09:57 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter OH says, perhaps I'm being a bit harsh and perhaps I miss some detail, but clearly Juliet has Amnesia, she's not ignoring Shirley, but Shirley's immediate go-to is that Juliet must be doing it on purpose instead of wanting to help her friend with Amnesia, she's going to be angry at her and refused to help when she asked.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit childish, and I don't like Shirley because of how
01:10:23 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And the TCS responded, I don't like the way Shirley is reacting to jewels, even as jewels is trying to learn, but it is well within her character.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Same with Walker and same with Juliet too with the fan girl.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to like it, but they are all in character.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts?
01:10:39 --> 01:10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they all are all in character.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think I think Daniel.
01:10:43 --> 01:10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, God.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they are all very much in character.
01:10:55 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think surely rather like Julia has difficulty verbalizing her emotions.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's why they understand each other so well.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think yeah, that's probably why they are, why they are such.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Such good friends, maybe more than friends who knows.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure it is the same with Walker, by the way.
01:11:20 --> 01:11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, oh, sorry, is that, did you read that part?
01:11:23 --> 01:11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Walker, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think it is the same with Walker.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Walker is trying to be genuinely helpful, and I also think he's trying to keep Julia grounded, which nobody else in the silo was doing.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I mean, I guess she's got like a gruff nature too.
01:11:44 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it seems to go with the mechanical culture.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Two coffees hold the flattery is one of my favorite lines.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Along with if our parents were alive right now, they'd be desperately scratchy if their confidence is trying to get out.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we got an email from Michael B, who says, here are a few questions, questions, and reactions up to an including season three episode two.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: My big question is if there was actually a dirty bomb in Washington, D.C.
01:12:16 --> 01:12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The retaliation or counterstrike would be almost immediate, but so far it seems like days or weeks or even longer have passed since there was any kind of counterstrike seems weird.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts on that one.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is a very good point like on one I hadn't considered yet that the retaliation would be you would think almost and you would think almost immediate, but you would have to you would have to do some degree of investigation to find out where the nuclear material had come from.
01:12:51 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess because Iran is not the only country that might do that North Korea, for example, there are any number of scenarios where North Korea uses a nuclear weapon by sticking on a shipping container into the port or San Francisco or something like that.
01:13:10 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there wouldn't need to be a bit of investigation, but yes, I think I think you're right to say that they wouldn't have held off for as long as they appear to have held off.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I've already said this in previous episodes.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there was a dirty bomb.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think what they are doing is looking for people that have been exposed to the...
01:13:31 --> 01:13:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, I can't call anything else now, they're what was black.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for the other t-shirt, so yeah, no, I don't think I don't think there was to drop that.
01:13:45 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a very good point about why they're probably wasn't.
01:13:48 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:13:50 --> 01:14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And Michael's next point is if you remember when Jules is outside in the screen shows green and blue sky and at some point the screen blips and it switches over to the barren outside world that blip is what happens when Charlotte touches the black go I'm really intrigued by this black go and I I didn't remember was I guess there was a glitch did we see a glitch yeah and I'm going to have to go back and rewatch that was a very interesting observation Michael thank you
01:14:18 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, my biggest intrigue at this point is wondering how the silos all began.
01:14:24 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw in one of the trailers that the people were happily and willingly going into the silos like they were built as a new frontier.
01:14:32 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: My tinfoil hat theory is the silos are not as old as they say they are.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: How does solo have so much food always at the ready, like super nice cream and everything else?
01:14:48 --> 01:14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: and then nice compliments TV show viewer only have not read the books.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's on the other two points.
01:14:55 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now because I was going to say, yeah, for silo 18, there's the farms and stuff.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like how was yeah?
01:15:04 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: How to sell it?
01:15:04 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I have ice cream.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: But how to sell our ice cream?
01:15:06 --> 01:15:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Because even if you assume that all the previous heads of IT didn't touch any of that stuff.
01:15:14 --> 01:15:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And therefore, it's from the time the silo 17 was originally occupied.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be like 350 year old stew and I don't care how well pre-packed it is.
01:15:27 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That is going to be pretty gnarly.
01:15:30 --> 01:15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: that point.
01:15:31 --> 01:15:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, really good point Michael.
01:15:36 --> 01:15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say that this is one that when that came up, specifically the ice cream, which seems particularly difficult to conserve.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Abby and I had our own tinfoil had theories going on in the book club about it.
01:15:51 --> 01:15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, no, oh that's got me thinking
01:15:56 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing that runs counter to that, though, is what we've heard from Hogwarts ahead of mind, is about 300 years tunneling and doubling back, so yeah, I'm going to need to go away and screw on that for a bit.
01:16:13 --> 01:16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no pun intended, um, but a machine, but they were super in the box.
01:16:18 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They're super in the box.
01:16:19 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They're super.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're super.
01:16:21 --> 01:16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a little bit left out in the silo and gone bad.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what Julia Wash was herself with.
01:16:25 --> 01:16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The first up is when there's also super in the vault that, you know, most of which is still at a ball.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:16:33 --> 01:16:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But like I said, even if even if I've been put there at the time, the silo was originally
01:16:42 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been to a sense.
01:16:44 --> 01:16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Still, I don't care how well preserved is.
01:16:46 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be edible.
01:16:48 --> 01:16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:16:50 --> 01:16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, well since you brought up hardwood that translates nicely into nobody cares 2000.
01:16:56 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like I was reading the journal.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling this name must refer to.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you 2000 from Iron Man.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been nobody cares.
01:17:05 --> 01:17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They said, Ed Hardwood, Ed Hardwood is my favorite new character so far, looks like a fun addition to the cast.
01:17:14 --> 01:17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's giving off angry old men who knows things vibes, but will be key in Jules figuring out what's happening slash a solution.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I am also excited to learn more about his daughter, it's the new Billings Mystery to solve.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to know what's going on with the possible corruption in the minds.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it wasn't in the minds though, because his daughter, when... Oh, yes, so big part.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: His daughter, Glander, was in, she's called Glander, isn't she?
01:17:42 --> 01:17:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Glander, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's in supply.
01:17:45 --> 01:17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, sorry, no corruption in the...
01:17:47 --> 01:17:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Although, I think...
01:17:47 --> 01:17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not saying that there isn't, but what we heard so far is that things are disappearing from critical supply.
01:17:53 --> 01:17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:17:53 --> 01:17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I sort of read that.
01:17:55 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: As things are going from supply to the minds, and Ed Harwood's got his own right little black market thing going on.
01:18:03 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just my headcat and so we- You think he just selling it to miners then because no one's supposed to go in the mines except the miners, right?
01:18:09 --> 01:18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no one would want to, right?
01:18:11 --> 01:18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that's the thing, yeah, but the miners are like the miners seem to be on the bottom of the total pole in the side line.
01:18:19 --> 01:18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, like literally on metaphorically.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So if there's anybody, I don't know, it's a really horrible job.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So if there's anybody that's going to benefit from a bit more food, some soap.
01:18:32 --> 01:18:35 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, whatever you can get from supply, it would be the miners.
01:18:36 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The only question is then how would they pay for it?
01:18:38 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: See saying like it maybe it's a Robinhood thing.
01:18:42 --> 01:18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't need to Robinhood thing.
01:18:43 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's desperate people will pay a lot for things that make their lives slightly less miserable Yeah, how would the miners pay for it?
01:18:53 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean because we know that there are obviously black markets within the silo We know that Regina for example Georgia's ex we saw an episode one is involved in that So that's but that's just out and then that is nothing to do with the miners.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
01:19:06 --> 01:19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just Yeah, people who want relics basically is her trade
01:19:11 --> 01:19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, we shall see, we shall see, and 200 bruise 2009 says since the plot in the silo is slowly building steam, everyone in the DC time is pretty compelling.
01:19:26 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all essentially new characters, not to mention politicians and reporters are known to be morally ambiguous.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel the show is trying to convey that Helen is going to be a helpful character.
01:19:38 --> 01:19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Her adamantly reinforcing that her meeting with her Donald was not a date, especially when she could play that up to get closer to Daniel really shows that to me at least.
01:19:49 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
01:19:50 --> 01:19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You did it again, you said by the end of the season, perhaps.
01:19:56 --> 01:20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is also, as I'm doing this, I'm going back through the book and stuff, just to compare things and for our book club and stuff.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm still reading Donald at the same time, too.
01:20:06 --> 01:20:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's getting, that's getting reinforced on my brain, too.
01:20:12 --> 01:20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We thought it's unhelling?
01:20:13 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think like I said at the end of the end of the episode 2 show, I think they're almost certainly going to turn up.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Team up would wood and burn steam style to try and sold this mystery.
01:20:27 --> 01:20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say piggybacking on what 200 bruise said here about, you know, being like, no Daniel, it's not a date.
01:20:33 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and just being honest and up front about it in that way, I'll also shout out that when she went to go see Charlotte, she did immediately.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as she got her alone in the garden, she's like, listen, I'm going to tell you, I'm a reporter, but we've met before, you know, so she was, again, she could have played that hand more deceptively.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was just like, let me be as honest as I can.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's a reporter because she wasn't trench coat.
01:21:01 --> 01:21:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So you keep saying, I just touched the wardrobe department.
01:21:06 --> 01:21:08 [SPEAKER_02]: How can we visually signify?
01:21:08 --> 01:21:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He still is a reporter.
01:21:10 --> 01:21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Trashkin.
01:21:11 --> 01:21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Drew, say hello.
01:21:12 --> 01:21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the trench coat at all.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.
01:21:14 --> 01:21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, I don't know, it's a trench coat.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a normal coat.
01:21:23 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I just not a trench coat.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She's got like three-quarter sleeves.
01:21:27 --> 01:21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just got like a collar.
01:21:30 --> 01:21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:21:30 --> 01:21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't classify as a trench coat.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: People weigh in when it's okay.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's longer.
01:21:36 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's like down to her mid-calf.
01:21:40 --> 01:21:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like.
01:21:40 --> 01:21:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:21:42 --> 01:21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a teal color.
01:21:43 --> 01:21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Dark teal color.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not very, I'm not very good with these things, but yeah, all right.
01:21:50 --> 01:21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I am wearing some kind of long coat.
01:21:53 --> 01:21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:21:56 --> 01:22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And then 200 Bruce says, I'm still holding out Hope Orla as a live.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's rare.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: A new character introduced in the latter part of a show's run can make such a strong impact let alone so quickly.
01:22:08 --> 01:22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say, yeah, I think
01:22:10 --> 01:22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They did a great job in, like I had, like I said in the episode one breakdown, I had that thinking feeling as soon as she said, um, I'll tell you when I get back, I'm like, that's like, let's split up.
01:22:27 --> 01:22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is remarkable that I cared that 200 bruise cared, I don't know, did you care about Orla after this one episode?
01:22:35 --> 01:22:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did, but I mean, I admittedly, I think a lot of that was because I wanted to find out what was going on in supply, but yeah, I think she's likeable too, you know, she just see she see she seems spunky, but kind.
01:22:49 --> 01:22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
01:22:51 --> 01:23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: As for Reed Bernie, 200 Bruce says, I finally figured out, I recognized him from an episode of the new Star Trek Strange New World Show.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The kicker, he's an alien who lives on a planet where long-term memory is lost by most of its happen in habitants.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So Reed Bernie again, for anyway, doesn't know is the, as does unnamed character who we've seen in the first episode when he seemed to be perhaps following Charlotte on the metro and in the second episode watching Charlotte have a bit of a panic attack when she was getting memories back talking to Helen.
01:23:28 --> 01:23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So definitely watch out for him.
01:23:32 --> 01:23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and they say it's really too soon to know who or if anyone has malevolent motives, but I've got a feeling that Charlotte is going to be used as a leverage to get Daniel to do something sila related that he wouldn't normally do.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: From what we've seen so far, I get the impression Anna is manipulating Daniel at least laying the groundwork for it.
01:23:54 --> 01:23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of that?
01:23:55 --> 01:24:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's probably right, I can't quite make my mind up with that, whether she's trying to manipulate him or laying the groundwork for it, or whether it's just because she's in politics, that's how she sort of naturally comes to interact with people, because yeah, like, if you spend any time around people from that world, you do sometimes get
01:24:23 --> 01:24:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, they don't actually don't want anything.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just the way they used to talk to the people.
01:24:29 --> 01:24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She has been extraordinarily helpful to Daniel about his sister so far.
01:24:33 --> 01:24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the thing we assume.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: We assume that's quite pro quo, but she could just be being known.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But is it, I mean, what does she get out of it?
01:24:43 --> 01:24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the question, or does she just do it to be nice or does she do it?
01:24:47 --> 01:24:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Because she's like, she saw Daniel and was like, hey,
01:24:52 --> 01:24:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hang out, but the other thing that, you know, makes me a little, I'm like, hmm, what's this about?
01:24:59 --> 01:25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the whole thing.
01:25:00 --> 01:25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, I really feel like I need to pay my respects to that.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, starting with your sister.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, that was, yes, that was, that was studious.
01:25:11 --> 01:25:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, who knows, maybe, maybe, maybe, and then, and Daniel are going to be the
01:25:23 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we're all going to feel very, very cynical.
01:25:26 --> 01:25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not the one saying that no couples will end up together.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I am predicting, in this boilercast, I'm predicting a better outcome.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've already had better outcomes for some couples because I already said some of these characters died, so.
01:25:43 --> 01:25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But I am thinking that there might be other characters.
01:25:46 --> 01:25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
01:25:46 --> 01:25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see who makes it out of this season in the next.
01:25:50 --> 01:26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, 200 Bruce says, interesting, you're a victor fan, so far I wouldn't say he's being portrayed in the best liked could be personal bias, but someone who's willing to casually wipe out and manipulate someone's memory seems wrong, we're supposed to work through our trauma grow from it, even his own backstory in dealing with trauma scenes that it diminishes his wife's memory if he can have the bad parts excised.
01:26:14 --> 01:26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say, uh, the, um,
01:26:16 --> 01:26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one thing to know about me is just because I'm interested in a character doesn't necessarily mean.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they are the glowing paragon of morality.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You see my, my arm on love on interview with Vampire.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, yeah, I think that this goes back to what we were talking about in the episode
01:26:44 --> 01:26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think people do the wrong things for the right reasons, and I agree, as I was talking about the episode two breakdown, I think that we need to remember our mistakes to learn from them, and I think that he who how he thinks that too.
01:26:58 --> 01:27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't mean that every character and his story makes that choice because I think also he wants to illustrate some points.
01:27:06 --> 01:27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just so basically to say that I think just because Victor is doing questionable things doesn't mean He's a bad person per se I guess it just depends which your definition of a bad person is it doesn't mean his intentions are bad.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say that.
01:27:21 --> 01:27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah But that's like Bernard he's a villain, but I think his intentions were in large part To save the silo
01:27:31 --> 01:27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't suppose it will ever happen, but it would be really interesting to put Victor and Bernard and room together.
01:27:36 --> 01:27:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of covers it?
01:27:39 --> 01:27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
01:27:39 --> 01:27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of conversation would that happen?
01:27:41 --> 01:27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, honest.
01:27:42 --> 01:27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I would rather see Victor talk to Judge Meadows or someone who has a bit more curiosity.
01:27:50 --> 01:27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Or Lucas?
01:27:51 --> 01:27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Lucas.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:55 --> 01:28:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay, and 200 Bruce has I'm probably most curious who that older man from the subway and clinic is, so again, that's Reed Bernie, he has a real smoking man from the ex files kind of vibe.
01:28:06 --> 01:28:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he does.
01:28:07 --> 01:28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: He really does have smoking man, boy.
01:28:09 --> 01:28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and that's how smoke.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It counts.
01:28:12 --> 01:28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It counts if I'm, I think, it's okay.
01:28:14 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I should refer to it in the ex files.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: uh uh in the silo or less seems like an interesting character but it seems tragedy is already before in her.
01:28:24 --> 01:28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she'll live.
01:28:25 --> 01:28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe maybe.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about you but I'm finding the DC stuff more compelling and entertaining than what's going on in the silo right now and that's not a knock against what's going on in the silo.
01:28:38 --> 01:28:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just because the DC stuff were at the beginning of the story or the silo were in the middle of it.
01:28:43 --> 01:28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think, yeah, I like this is a lot of people say that, by the end of the book, the second book's shift is their favorite.
01:28:53 --> 01:28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the DC stuff.
01:28:55 --> 01:29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's just because it's like, you know, you see this whole society unfold and you get attached to the characters and you understand what's going on.
01:29:02 --> 01:29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, when you start this DC story, you're like, oh, this is, this is where the answer is come.
01:29:08 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is, this is a bit of a left turn.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it's just that you know that that's that's this is going to tell you how this all happened.
01:29:16 --> 01:29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And that makes it a very compelling story.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, new characters, we were still sussing out there who they are and their motivations and everything.
01:29:26 --> 01:29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right, and we have one more piece of feedback, probably the most important from Becky Jail.
01:29:32 --> 01:29:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it's not really feedback.
01:29:33 --> 01:29:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more of a plea, really.
01:29:35 --> 01:29:42 [SPEAKER_01]: She says, I'm so glad we're finally talking about Lucas, but where is Lucas crying emoji?
01:29:44 --> 01:29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he said it all Becky.
01:29:52 --> 01:29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Final thoughts overall on the first two episodes.
01:29:55 --> 01:29:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the season is building really nicely.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've said before, I'm really interested to see what is going on with the family buildings and the family sims.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, really interested to see what's going on in Washington, DC, I think we've clearly got a crime for eating, you know, report a such politician's super, um, I was gonna say couple but pair, sort of, um, lining up, because it wasn't a date, remember, it wasn't the date, um, so yeah, really interested to see where it's going.
01:30:34 --> 01:30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm very eager to, you know, we've got, as we've said, the DC storyline is more what book readers know and expected this season and the silo stuff is largely new, but I do see, they're taking concepts where, because like the shift book,
01:30:54 --> 01:31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It does this flashback to DC, but it also does flashbacks to the past of the silos 17 and 18.
01:31:01 --> 01:31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what they've done instead is they've worked the back stories of those into last season, and then this season we're getting some of those story arcs like this whole reset thing, that they're working those concepts into the modern day because they don't want to do all these layers of flashbacks, and that makes sense to me.
01:31:22 --> 01:31:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I would, I do hope we see a bit of silo-17 before too much longer because I am certainly at a bit worried about solo and the kids.
01:31:30 --> 01:31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I suppose we have to wait for Julie to remember there and she's just going to like wake up in the middle of the night one night and be like, wait, that's another silo!
01:31:40 --> 01:31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There was people over there, I said I would come back for them.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we'll see what happens in episode 3 Luke and I will be back on Friday of course with our coverage.
01:31:55 --> 01:32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: editor Alicia here clarifying that by Friday, I mean at least Saturday, sorry about that.
01:32:01 --> 01:32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have to prioritize some rent-earning work deadlines.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I should be back on track by next week to get it out when the embargo drops thanks for your understanding.
01:32:13 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: In the meantime, I hope you're enjoying this episode.
01:32:15 --> 01:32:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get back to it.
01:32:19 --> 01:32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll do another mail bag again in probably a few weeks.
01:32:23 --> 01:32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So we want to hear your thoughts and theories.
01:32:25 --> 01:32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You can send them to woolshiftuspodcast.gmail.com, which you will find linked in the show notes.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'll be the only one reading that inbox.
01:32:35 --> 01:32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So books boilers are okay, but then those elements will be discussed on the book club episodes.
01:32:40 --> 01:32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You can also join the Discord.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find link in the show notes.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: there's separate spoiler chats per episode so you can theorize in there and there's also a separate chat for book discussions as well.
01:32:53 --> 01:33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this book club that I have teased, you'll find options for that basically this is the supercast or patreon feed it's
01:33:01 --> 01:33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: if you do the silos in supercast it's the same as the Patreon feed and it's the weekly spoiler cast where Abbey and I another book reader take a dive into one of the concepts explored in episode this week it was about Victor of course because he's been introduced and but also you'll find episodes for from example Luke and I going deep on very we do a very Dickens Christmas around here okay
01:33:31 --> 01:33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, but also my deep dives into 19th-century monster literature because that's the thing that I'm into So you'll find all of that stuff linked in the show notes various options if you just want the extra silo episodes There is a season pass option.
01:33:49 --> 01:33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So Explore the show notes if you're interested in that if you're not interested in that That's fine.
01:33:53 --> 01:33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just really glad to have you here hanging out with us
01:33:57 --> 01:34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Feel free to be a huge help if you share this podcast with anyone else who's in to silo, who might like a little more insight into everything and discussion around what's going on.
01:34:08 --> 01:34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke, where can they find you?
01:34:11 --> 01:34:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So they can find me atly, mid-up on Blue Sky, and my podcast, it could be said, which I do with a couple of friends, University, Wheel Cooling, and Simon Lv.
01:34:23 --> 01:34:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about all things British politics, but we also talk sport, culture, and whatever else takes are fancy.
01:34:30 --> 01:34:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, our last episode was looking ahead to Andy Burnham becoming Prime Minister and doing on sort of final overview of Keist armors, uh, two years as Prime Minister.
01:34:42 --> 01:34:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that was out last week.
01:34:43 --> 01:34:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We, we generally record about once a month at the moment because, um, like, because basically life.
01:34:51 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so yeah, don't don't expect us to put out episodes every week, like we do on here.
01:34:58 --> 01:34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
01:34:59 --> 01:35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can also find, well, you can find Luke and I together also on the Lohr Hound's feed.
01:35:03 --> 01:35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We did for instance Daredevil and Punisher coverage, but you'll you'll find on the Lohr Hound's feed right now.
01:35:10 --> 01:35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: John and I are wrapping up our weekly the Vampire Listat coverage of the show that I keep bringing up over here because I'm obsessed.
01:35:19 --> 01:35:23 [SPEAKER_01]: make in crossover memes between them, between that and silo.
01:35:24 --> 01:35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, there's weekly coverage of House of the Dragon, which is being run by David and Jalsa.
01:35:30 --> 01:35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing weekly feedback episodes because it's obviously big discussion show.
01:35:40 --> 01:35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll also find at the lowerhounds.com and link in the show notes.
01:35:44 --> 01:35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find the other affiliates like Nevermind the Music, Nicole's podcast you heard from earlier.
01:35:50 --> 01:35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a new Dungeons and Do Rags member of the network.
01:35:54 --> 01:35:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They're also covering House of the Dragon.
01:35:56 --> 01:36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you can find my own The Star Wars Ken and Timeline podcast and others.
01:36:02 --> 01:36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned for Cosmere Corner coming end of the month hosted by John and the Radioactive Ramlin guys.
01:36:08 --> 01:36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Any final thoughts Luke?
01:36:10 --> 01:36:13 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just really looking forward to episode three, yeah.
01:36:13 --> 01:36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, a final word is sometimes then it'll just be like that, yo.