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00:26 --> 00:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Woolshift Dust, the Silo awaits via the memory clinics of a near-future Washington DC.
00:33 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Alicia, your book reading representative on this podcast.
00:37 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Luke representing the show only fans.
00:40 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I am the Alicia's written.
00:43 --> 00:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I am the pervare of tin foil hat theories.
00:45 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're very finely crafted.
00:48 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm so careful.
00:50 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got them half warms before.
00:52 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, yeah.
00:53 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They're reaching a greater finesse.
00:55 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: A greater finesse of a theory, them.
00:58 --> 00:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
00:59 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That were all this is going.
01:01 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And thus, I am the founder of all ignorance and must guard it against books, boilers, or door costs.
01:08 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So welcome back, or if this is your first episode, you may want to start at the beginning of this season, or you can also start the beginning of the entire series if you can stand a slightly lower audio quality.
01:20 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And there you will learn more about who we are and what we're each bringing to this discussion.
01:24 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But today we gather to break down episode two of season three.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all good.
01:30 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: In my humble opinion, a summary of this episode overall.
01:35 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but before we get into it, just to put minds at ease, Luke, you teased it, but what it's the full version of our spoiler policy for this pod.
01:42 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So the full version of the spoiler policy is Alicia, can mention anything in the books that has been on screen in season one or two or an episode one of season three, but nothing that's been in the books.
01:58 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_00]: that's beyond season two of episode three.
02:01 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So in other words, anything that's already been shown on screen, I think you can talk about, anything that hasn't been shown on screen, at least you can't talk about.
02:09 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And that includes seeing some of the trailers.
02:14 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If people want to go back and listen to the two episodes we recorded before the season started, for deep guys into the trailers,
02:24 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the marketing material that was released with the trialist.
02:29 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And small notes, as always, that this show leaves a lot of room for speculation, even for book readers.
02:35 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I promise we're not watching ahead of the episode, we're recording and any questions we ask our genuine.
02:42 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I can't discuss something because I think it's tied to a book spoiler, I will just move on.
02:47 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you do want the full spoiler discussion and deep dives into the intricacies of the book version of this story, I have a separate book club podcast with fellow reader Abbey.
02:58 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Stick around until the end of this episode to learn more about that.
03:01 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But...
03:02 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: For now, we are getting into season three episode two.
03:06 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all good 52 minutes along again, released Friday, July 10th, 2026 on Apple TV.
03:13 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The director was, again, Michael Dinner, one of the main series directors who did season two episodes one, two, six and seven and the first three episodes of this season.
03:23 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The writer this time was Shelley Bears.
03:26 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is her first writing credit for this series, but she will be back to right two more episodes next season.
03:33 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say she does have a lot of prior writing credit.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going back to the 90s, but I haven't personally seen them.
03:39 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't comment on it, but I liked this episode.
03:42 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So so far so good.
03:45 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, of course, all based on the silo series of books by Hugh Howie, the main trilogy being wool, shift, and dust.
03:54 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the penultimate season of this series of All We Four Seasons, and for these last two seasons, we're mostly mixing together the origin story of everything with its in shift and also the continuation of the Juliette part of the timeline in dust.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: so we're mixing back and forth between those two.
04:14 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: To set up this episode in the DC timeline, Daniel learns about a sister's cutting-edge treatment with the help from some friends.
04:22 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And in silo 18, Juliette seeks other truths on a memory hunt of her own.
04:28 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So Luke, what did you think of this episode overall?
04:31 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I really like this episode.
04:35 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I love what's going on with the family
04:42 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I like what's I like the the interaction between Camille and the algorithm.
04:47 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is an interesting tension starting to build there, um, as far as the DC timeline.
04:55 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think I said this to you on on the on what's up, I don't know whether this is the whether this is the way it was written or whether it was the way it was accurate or whether this was deliberate, but I find Daniel's reaction to the whole situation a little bit off a little bit strange in that, um, in that when he finds out that is the sister hasn't lost.
05:24 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Her memory, her memory has been taken from her.
05:28 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He seems to take that way more calmly than I would.
05:32 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if somebody had done that to my brother, I would be absolutely furious.
05:39 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And Daniel just uses sort of go along with what's happening and it's actually Helen, the journalist, who is the one pushing for answers
05:54 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know where the...
05:58 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know what that means, but I found Daniel's reaction to the whole situation to be very odd.
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
06:06 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it seems that maybe Helen has in general more of a backbone than Daniel perhaps.
06:12 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that is possibly, but yeah, it's just...
06:16 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your sister, this is your own, this is your only family.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: that we know of in the world.
06:23 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And you seem to be very passive in reacting.
06:29 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that I entirely agree with that.
06:32 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for example, the way he came breezing in there once he heard that the reporter had snuck in and stuff.
06:38 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But okay, we will, of course, talk about that in detail.
06:42 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And any other thoughts you want to throw out at the top?
06:45 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how did we not notice that was Kathleen Billing's last episode?
06:51 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: because they intentionally obscured her face.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, of course she was.
06:56 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I completely mixed that.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That explains, of course, why Billings is being squirrely.
07:02 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:03 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:04 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, also, I think I think this is maybe the earliest one of my 10-fold hat theories but the dust because within like five minutes of episode two, now it's not that it's not that it's not that she's been possessed by aliens.
07:21 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that they're given a
07:32 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, we're we're burying the lead here that obviously the headline is Danny from IT lives.
07:38 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, and we were talking about the episode and what's happening for one of my favorite characters to know, but I just want Danny, I know it's not Danny, it's not Danny, somebody else.
07:52 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I mean, so for anyone who hasn't been listening to us before, I got stuck last season on what happened to Danny for my tea, who helped Juliet with this hard drive, disappeared and did you a judicial never showed up again?
08:07 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably the actor we heard confirmed from South Kerosene, the writer's room was just not available for the season, but he's back.
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So now I'm moving on.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's Mark Chambers from Metal?
08:19 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The kindest team punk wheelchair.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
08:23 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry, no matter what, I will find a missing character to obsess over.
08:27 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The two times I've done it, in season one it was Sandy.
08:30 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She was back this episode again as well.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And Danny for my tea.
08:34 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously it's working.
08:36 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's working.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm helping them.
08:38 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
08:40 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, you said I mentioned that my one of my favorite book characters showed up and that's actually Victor, um, I love a morally complex psychologist.
08:51 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to see him.
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the game now.
08:55 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, when we were talking about the castings in our preview episodes and there's two older men and I said, oh, I think I know which two characters there are and I think.
09:07 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: one of them has kind or satirized.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's Victor.
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the one who's trying to satirize.
09:12 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so perfect.
09:15 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, in general, in this part of the timeline, this is where it is more sticking to the book, but it is still like huge changes nonetheless.
09:25 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's changes that are clearly going the same direction for book readers.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see where they're going, but it's,
09:34 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, they've moved up a lot of the action I suppose, a lot of this, this grappling with the memory drug and things like that.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, in Victor's involvement.
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, exciting stuff.
09:49 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this week, I was noticing, and of course I know they film in London, but it's so funny to me that interviews most of these actors have British accents.
09:58 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're doing great American accents, I'll say.
10:04 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, anything else you want to throw out at the top?
10:07 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think we can get into looking at the individual plot strands.
10:11 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three, two, one.
10:19 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so, as usual, we're going to be going plot by plot rather than seen by scene and today, focusing first on the Daniel Charlotte timeline before moving on to what's going on in silo 18.
10:31 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So, let's start with Daniel's world, filling in the gaps.
10:35 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel played by Ashley's
10:42 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Filling Charlotte in on shared memories in the hopes of rekindling a spark of recognition, but she can't even get her brother's name right.
10:50 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you laugh when she said, yeah, I did.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I knew in Donovan, I was like, Leo pointing me.
10:54 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Ashley was a captain of American meme.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that reference.
11:01 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was for in case anyone does a remember that it's his book name and I think I'm bet I'm getting better at it But last episode I could not stop calling him Daniel.
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
11:12 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm hybridizing it Daniel in the show Donald in the book.
11:17 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So was yeah, she called him that and it's like no, but that's right.
11:20 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wait.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not
11:25 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but yeah, so just the book version of this and the next section we'll talk about.
11:31 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's sort of laid out.
11:33 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, they're moving a lot of Charlotte's stuff, you know, forward, more toward the beginning of the book and expanding it, but I'd say both of these sections, I think are especially based on this quote from shift.
11:46 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I did read this and more from this and I've altered this slightly to hide one spoiler, but from shift about Donald,
11:53 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He remembered the last time she, meaning Charlotte, was home.
11:57 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The disagreement they'd had while going through his vacation photos for Mexico.
12:01 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He had asked Charlotte if she remembered Kozimel from when they were kids, and she had insisted she had never been.
12:07 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The disagreement had turned into an argument, and he had lied and said his tears were one's frustration.
12:14 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Parts of his sister's life had been erased, and the only way the doctors could explain it was to say that it must have been something she wanted to forget.
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And what could be wrong with that?
12:25 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK.
12:27 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could see how they kind of took that and blew it up.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
12:32 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also, I can see where it's tying into where certain things are going.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they gave them a different backstory here.
12:39 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They're raised by their aunt and uncle.
12:42 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: 30 minutes outside Carter'sville.
12:44 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Viewed the sunset of her pine mountains, had horses, ducks, and goats, and two mean bulldogs,
12:51 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, like, should there are ants, maybe you've put them on a leash?
12:55 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that doesn't say, that doesn't sound for you.
12:59 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's safe that I heard kids to be honest.
13:02 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did like, don't you like Charlotte going, I don't sound like what you've assessed there.
13:07 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he said you, he said because apparently he became the, when he went to a University of Georgia, he became the Bulldogs mascot and he said you laughed so hard you pissed yourself and she said, I don't sound like a very nice sister.
13:21 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw that dynamic last week, so I'm so glad they took the time to establish that.
13:26 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my question for you.
13:28 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know for some reason him being the mascot and like his whole vibe Is reminding me in some ways of Billings.
13:37 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm wondering.
13:37 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he and Billings would be friends if he lived in the side though?
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can see what you mean.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something sort of very open.
13:47 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:48 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Very open, very full of the roles, very want to.
13:53 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, join in, do right, be part of the community, be up standing.
13:58 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think, I do think he and Billings would get on, you know, maybe they'd be, or maybe they can compete against each other in packed readings, you know.
14:08 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, might be a friendly rival we're going on there.
14:12 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I could also see just thinking about it as you're talking, was thinking, oh, who would Charlotte be besties with?
14:18 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Julia, obviously, you know, pre-memory loss Charlotte, obviously.
14:22 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:22 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:23 --> 14:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
14:25 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that's where we leave things with the siblings.
14:28 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We find out that the mom's name was Grace, so I was wondering, is that named by the same person who named the character Hope?
14:36 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe just a little bit on the notes.
14:39 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The dad's name is William and they died when they were young and moved in with their aunt so I'm curious if we'll learn more about their backstory But if not, that's fine Yes, we'll solve it enough backstory All right, so let's bring Victor into the equation when Daniel gets burnt by a glitchy coffee machine at the clinic a man named Victor Wait, oh man, how do we say this again current coverage?
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Concovage.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Concovage.
15:07 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Concovage played by Matt Craven, Strikes Up, a conversation, and I'll say by the way, Victor, I looked like I looked up every instance of his first name in the book, just in both the like last two books is to check, and they never mentioned his last name.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's fine.
15:24 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, how often does Matt Craven play doctors?
15:28 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to have a very good side, he seems to have a very good side line in playing doctors.
15:33 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Can he give me another example?
15:34 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He was actually the psychiatrist in the Pacific for a couple of other sides.
15:42 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen them in other things playing psychiatrists as well.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's it.
15:47 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice job doctors for very nice.
15:50 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
15:52 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess he's got the face for it.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he does.
15:56 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got some kind eyes.
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a fun killer.
16:00 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a fun girl.
16:01 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, like, kind of said eyes.
16:03 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:05 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But so he strikes up a conversation with Daniel saying he Charlottes Doctor and they've been expecting Daniel and Daniel shares his frustration that his sister doesn't remember him and Victor takes him outside for a chat about what's going on, Michelle.
16:19 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And Victor says, the medicine functions as a draw bridge between Charlotte's subconscious memories and her conscious cognitive processes, he calls it a safety gap, if you will.
16:31 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the medicine is used to long this gap becomes permanent, but the plan is once Charlotte heals a bit more to lower this medication draw bridge and to go into her brain to selectively choose which memories to keep.
16:46 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So because actually, just a backup a second before the conversation about the drawbridge, yeah, actually, so Daniel says something to the effect of, you know, my sister doesn't remember it with the effect of something to the effect of, I'm the reason I'm the reason yeah, I'm the reason why she can't remember, and that's what I find weird.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it jumped straight
17:12 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the explanation as to what's happening with that Daniel going what sorry what I mean This has been done deliberately.
17:21 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's a there's a hard cut there where they're suddenly outside so But I definitely didn't trip up for that at all.
17:28 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I feel like the scene is missing something Okay, I don't know you wanted to see them walk outside so Daniel could react
17:35 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just wanted to like if somebody tells you that somebody that a close member of your family can't remember anything and that they're the reason why and that's being done deliberately I would have expected like a scene where Daniel is shocked by that.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's surprised by that.
17:53 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it seems to skip straight over that.
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But the whole next scene is that.
18:06 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: what he's done.
18:07 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but not really explaining why it was necessary in the first place.
18:14 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's because she's supposed to have a traumatic brain injury.
18:18 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So I suppose that's the explanation is that this is he said basically that as she gets better, this is when they'll ease off this and this is when they'll
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: pick what to come back.
18:31 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But then he says some some other things.
18:36 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So he says we were wrong in our assumption that it was not a selective functioning memory drug because it seems he said you can specifically choose it, but he basically you choose it by
18:50 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: which artifacts he calls them, which elements of, you know, smells and things you had as a... Yeah, so the way I took that was, it suppresses memory indiscriminately, but you can sort of choose what memories to revive by the stories you tell and the objects you associate with them.
19:14 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:20 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: memory works, but yeah, kind of.
19:23 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not not how it works.
19:26 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:27 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, that's a perfectly valid explanation better than you would get in most science fiction, I would say, is that because the important key here is that, and it's this exact same thing that I've been calling out.
19:40 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, what's going on with Charlotte, directly tied with what's going on with Juliette, we'll talk about that separately in a minute, but it makes sense to talk about it together as well.
19:48 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've been saying with Julie yet that I'm expecting her to, you know, like with the chicken soup that might remind her of eating soup with Jimmy in Silas 17 or like her brother's toy, we've already been showing that.
20:03 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm expecting that to show up and those things to function as these artifacts.
20:08 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen it with Julie at two where she has the memories that come back.
20:13 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They come back because there's some sort of association trigger.
20:17 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:18 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But the question then is, do we think Charlotte actually has a dramatic brain injury?
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I, that is a good question.
20:26 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:27 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't, I mean, this part, like I said, the soul, Charlotte being in the hospital and stuff, this is all new.
20:33 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, I really can't say either way, but yeah, I think that's a valid question.
20:37 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, because there's an obvious reason why you would want to suppress.
20:42 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: memory, which is the weird 50-foot cloud and whatever it was, it was in it and the black again.
20:49 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:51 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So, until somebody tells me otherwise, I'm assuming the TBI is folkship.
20:58 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had to laugh about the clown because so right now the vampire, the start is going on.
21:04 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: John and I are doing coverage of that over on the Laura Hounds feed.
21:07 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Love that show.
21:08 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely, it turns things up a notch from here in terms of like gore and sex and stuff.
21:16 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So be worn that, but absolutely love it if you're open to that.
21:18 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But one of the characters last week called one of the other characters, a fuck cloud.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's like, what is a fuck cloud?
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
21:28 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: and then so when we saw this cloud in this I said in the silo chat in the discord is this what a fuck cloud is and I think it was the the TCS who responded I think this is what this is a what the fuck cloud
21:46 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
21:48 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I was really into this whole conversation.
21:52 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, this is why I like Victor as a character.
21:57 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I find him interesting.
21:58 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on Victor so far?
21:59 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think we'll get to it in a little bit, but he's got a very shady past in terms of how he's developed this, this drug, this regimen, this this protocol,
22:14 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he seems like a nice person, but a lot of people, a lot of people people see, you know, quite nice, um, the surface, I think, I think I'm a little bit like, but not, he is capable of doing really bad things for what he perceives as the greater good, um,
22:43 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: way he and Daniel as a relationship sort of go from here.
22:51 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, I don't know there was a way actually to come and play it or whether it was the way it was written.
22:56 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if it was like I say and maybe this is just unprojecting too much onto this.
23:02 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If it was me and I'd find out that somebody had taken away any memory of me from somebody I was
23:10 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be angrier than Daniel is throughout the episode, and I thought it was a little bit strange.
23:18 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're told that that's, you know, like suppose that someone you care about has a bad injury, and you're told, we've induced a coma until the brain swelling goes down.
23:30 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you be angry about that?
23:32 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's like, maybe I'm just over reading it, maybe I'm just over reading it, but they didn't seem like they wasn't an explanation that said.
23:41 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But she's got the TBI, we are doing this because of this.
23:44 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how is this helping with the TBI?
23:47 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You're only going to make it worse.
23:49 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, yeah, maybe they should have said something like it helped like with while the brain swelling.
23:55 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He did say while she until she is better enough and we can see she's still pretty banged up.
24:00 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:00 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, I don't know.
24:01 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not tripping over that in the same way you are.
24:03 --> 24:04 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
24:05 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that the special topic of this week's book club is going to be about Victor's book arc, so we'll get into that there.
24:12 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's dig into some of the things that he said here because it's I think it's quite interesting.
24:19 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He talks about
24:20 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like these, this is why I like Victor as a character.
24:23 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of a philosopher, which I suppose goes hand-in-hand with being a psychologist, but he's talking about what's the difference between humans and ape.
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The difference is we tell stories.
24:35 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You take a set of data and weave meaning around it.
24:38 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, that's,
24:40 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: literally been my whole career.
24:43 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but whenever you get whenever you get that in, sort of TV, we see this little selfie from the writer.
24:51 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, but it is also, it is genuinely what makes humans that we, he says, we're really just a collection of stories.
25:01 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We've told ourselves memory is our internal biography, and I absolutely believe that, but also just we as a society are the collection of stories that we tell collectively.
25:12 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we always say that the victors write history, or however that goes.
25:20 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: does that, talks about that, that idea of memory and forgetting and other.
25:25 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, just everything comes back to like season one of Westworld for me eventually.
25:30 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's been what, it's almost 10 years since I think that show aired and well since that season aired I still think about it way more than it's healthy for me.
25:43 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I actually, somebody was just, uh, what's just saying that, oh, yeah, the Vampire Listat was the best thing since Westworld.
25:52 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, I wouldn't have paired those two, but yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, okay, good character dramas.
26:00 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But okay, so Victor does say that, you know, obviously, he talks about getting Charlottes memories back.
26:07 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, you do it basically by telling her the same story over and over.
26:11 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where he's like, you just need artifacts to bring back the old memories.
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's objects from her life childhood.
26:18 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that he says memories in the body, not just the brain, because it is like memory is
26:24 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: more than just drawers in our brain.
26:27 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, like, for instance, muscle memory.
26:31 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about how Billings has been holding his hands tightly and wondering if he still had this syndrome.
26:37 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And you were like, well, you just, yeah, you have these, there's muscle memory.
26:40 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's also part of it as well.
26:42 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I love all the Victor stuff.
26:47 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The plan is to rebuild Charlotte memory by memory.
26:52 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And he says, but you have a choice not to cripple her with the whole truth.
26:58 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where I'm like Victor.
26:59 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Victor!
27:04 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, um, I just think that this is, uh, and obviously this is meant to be problematic for happily.
27:14 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but when we forget our mistakes, when we forget the bad things that happen to us, we do not learn from them and we do not grow from them.
27:23 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually, you know, web movie, uh, did this pretty well recently is the Chief detectives, which is like, oh,
27:34 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'd have had 10 guesses to say what you were going to say that, I wouldn't have got that.
27:39 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If you know, she's a detective, I've rise up, you know what I'm talking about.
27:44 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It is about remembering things to honor them and also to learn from them, you know.
27:51 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But, so I think it's one thing for Victor to say this, because obviously, we all know they don't want her to remember the what the fuck cloud.
28:02 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but this is also where I'm like, I do think Daniel goes along with this a little too easily, but I do also, I don't think that's out of character for him and it doesn't mean that he's a bad or a weak.
28:26 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that one maybe that one sustained throughout the series, because obviously Daniel is processing a lot right now.
28:34 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And if somebody comes along and tells you, do this, do that.
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that makes easier.
28:40 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah.
28:44 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's just sorry, he's just thinking that of another parallel between him and Billings is that I said also the same about Bill book Billings is a much more passive character until he's not.
28:56 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And Daniel, I think actually they haven't given him more agency in the show, perhaps in the book, because for example, I said that in the books.
29:07 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: he and Charlotte and the thermons are old family friends.
29:10 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So Senator Thurman basically it's almost like he's handed his office in a way whereas in the show he really had to do the campaigning and I call it and that advantage.
29:23 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah I'm interested to see how they they've been handing out more backbones to certain characters.
29:32 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, I was a little like it when he was like, can I lie to her?
29:37 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to change some opinion.
29:39 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: She has about me.
29:40 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm not in the position, but Yikes.
29:44 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think he was being entirely serious when he said it.
29:48 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I don't think, I think that was definitely for the audience benefit because of course we want to know real Camille is lying to Juliet and basically so what we learn here is that yes you can do that but it does take more time and effort because he says the real memories ignite faster because they're already on the page so yeah it takes longer to convince someone to get them to internalize a memory
30:17 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think this whole choice of the word artifacts is yes, it was interesting because it almost sounds like relics, right?
30:27 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, that was that was my thought like did this did this get translethorated at some point
30:37 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the relics are not a book thing.
30:39 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really know much about that, but you can see they are memories of the before times.
30:44 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what is, I don't know why the PES dispenser, why it would matter anymore?
30:50 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we know it's 352 years into this system.
30:55 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the hard drive obviously, understand why that's a red level of a relic.
30:59 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is the PES dispenser a red level of relic?
31:03 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But it definitely is a memory.
31:07 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about his addition of the thought of the soul?
31:11 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He said somewhere between the ones and zeros, basically, there's more, there's a soul.
31:16 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm like, is this soul actually this story we tell ourselves?
31:21 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it, I think it probably is.
31:29 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, to what extent I would to what extent are we just walking back to chemicals that are just, right?
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're reacting to it.
31:40 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like, I think ultimately, this is getting a bit, this is getting a bit deep for a podcast about TV show, but I mean, this is why people listen to us, right?
31:50 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's galaxy brain.
31:52 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ultimately, I think, I think, um,
31:58 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the show was the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves.
32:02 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And also the stories of the stories of the stories that others tell about us as well.
32:08 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
32:09 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:10 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: People always say like the person never dies until the last person who remembers them passed.
32:15 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, again, back to watch them all again.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.
32:18 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's an older quote than that.
32:20 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But I actually didn't remember who was in Westford.
32:25 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, then this begs this question, like what is the difference with, so we find out Juliette is one of the part of this 10% where it doesn't seem to work so well.
32:37 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And Victor's tying this to this idea of the soul, but yeah, it's something about her stubborn and curious personality.
32:44 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Um,
32:47 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
32:47 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean also, I think as well, in the case of Juliette, they are trying to bring back a set of memories or even a, they're not trying to bring about most of the set of memories.
32:59 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to very much try to implant a completely different story as to what's happened.
33:06 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was a little bit confused about that point because,
33:09 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: then they've been not trying to do exactly the same thing with Charlotte, it's like they're trying to do with Julia.
33:14 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.
33:16 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not trying to, they're just trying, yeah, I mean, but I think that that's okay.
33:22 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we were dealing with the same concept, and we're learning through this discussion about Charlotte, some of the rules, but
33:30 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're it's being used for different purposes because I do think Victor once charlotte's remember everything except One thing that I think whereas whereas I think what the algorithm is trying to do with Julia It's to a logic sent rewrite her personality Yeah, there was a whole thing
33:52 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll ask that episode with Shirley Pooneach, and if she would never have been seen dead in it, right, she would never be dead in it, right?
33:59 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they need the algorithm needs Julia to play a very specific role within very specific parameters if the whole planet's going to work.
34:15 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair.
34:19 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I just, uh, last thing I just wanted to call out in this section is that there were some really lovely shots in this garden.
34:25 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just a great setting for a number of scenes this episode.
34:30 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I loved, for example, this shot where the camera's like almost floating over the pond as, uh, Victor and Daniel talk in the bench in the distance.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So, bravo to that.
34:44 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
34:45 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take a quick break here and when we come back, uh, let's talk about Daniel's next not date.
34:52 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Fair back.
34:55 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
34:55 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The three way not date.
34:58 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel meets Anna Thurman, played by Morgan Christie, the senator's daughter, at a coffee shop to discuss what's going on with his sister.
35:05 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Anna asks if it's okay with Daniel if she goes to check in on Charlotte herself.
35:10 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: As he acquiesces, former post reporter Helen Drew, Jessica Henwick, wanders in looking for him.
35:17 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She's heard about his sister Helen's original contact in the
35:26 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: when she leaves Anna points out that he just gave a report of the location she needs for her story for free.
35:34 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of this whole interaction?
35:36 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Daniel, even for junior congressman, Daniel is sort of endearing because of us.
35:45 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like both of us, well, I think it's just got to show that Daniel is not thinking
35:53 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: straight.
35:54 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think and we do that we do this when people are ill.
35:58 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to focus on Charlotte's trauma because she's the one in the hospital, she's the one in the hospital.
36:05 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, like I said, Daniel has basically lost.
36:10 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_00]: or a functionally loft, the only family he had in the world, and I think that I don't think Kant had Daniel been like fire on or so, and it's had Daniel been really focused.
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He would have spoken to him like that, but he's not, that's not what he's thinking up at the moment.
36:28 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
36:29 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:30 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how he describes it to Anna.
36:33 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He says he meaning Victor is asking me to rebuild her soul and he compares himself to Dr. Frankenstein.
36:41 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:42 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's some kind of something kind of goolish about it.
36:44 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I know, I know what he points out that the doctor's name is Victor.
36:49 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, duh.
36:50 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:51 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
36:52 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
36:55 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it turns out both of these ladies would like to visit, uh, would like to visit Charlotte, and with with Helen, that's clear.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that scene separately in a moment, obviously.
37:07 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: She wants to do journalism, but do you, like, do you, what do you think about Anna wanting to visit her?
37:13 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think, uh, she says she wants to bring candy and magazines to a wounded vet.
37:18 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, whoa, why this particular wounded vet is it because you're like,
37:24 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_01]: that I can do since, you know, my mom and I helped put her in this clinic or what do you think her motivation is?
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm impressed, Daniel.
37:33 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think she's trying to find out whether she remembers anything.
37:38 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Senator Thurman knows something about this cloud.
37:45 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: This, this, whatever that is.
37:48 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And they want to know what she remembers if you remember something at all.
37:53 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, and um, do you think that Helen and Anna, and we we find out they know who each other are in a professional capacity, but this is apparently their first meeting, um, and Anna says Helen left the post, the paper a year ago because she was a bad girl, and is that some online sleeves factory now?
38:14 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, tell me everything, I didn't Helen do.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: She, I did a
38:22 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they tease like that for sure, but also, yeah, what do you think of the relationship between Helen and Anna?
38:31 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they're going to, it feels adversarial, do you think it's going to stay that way, do you think?
38:35 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in a sense, it's sort of pre-programmed to be out of the serial.
38:39 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Helen's a journalist, Anna, is a politician.
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, works in politics.
38:44 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, works in politics, so they're predisposed to be to be out of the serial.
38:50 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, I think we're going to find out as soon as goes on that.
38:57 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_00]: that Helen knows more than she is telling Daniel about the water's coming on in it around and what is not going on in it around and that Charlotte may not be her only source of information.
39:09 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
39:10 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I just, just the way Jessica Henningwick is playing Helen or yeah, the way she's playing her.
39:19 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think she knows more than she's telling the audience.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.
39:26 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like the I am the I am a serious journalist as a serious newspaper therefore I must wear a trench coat I didn't even notice to signify the time of journalists Okay, fair
39:42 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to, you know, we talked about Daniel being a bit gylist and here he is again.
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, Helen and I accidentally ended up on a date.
39:50 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh Daniel, no stop.
39:53 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, it's like, stop telling yourself that I don't.
39:57 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you think, did he think he was on a date with Anna at the coffee shop?
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so.
40:04 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I can just run into each other.
40:06 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it seems like they met to talk about Charlotte.
40:09 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:11 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
40:12 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What does he think is a date and what doesn't he think is a date?
40:15 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to have to sit down and you'll have to help him at the same point in the slide.
40:18 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The difference.
40:20 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait until someone tells you it's a date.
40:24 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, and of course Anna's mom, the senator, as we said, pulled strings to get Charlotte into this clinic.
40:30 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And we hear from Helen, wow, someone must have pulled some serious strings.
40:35 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine a naval aviator would have that kind of money tucked away.
40:39 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But then they point out Anna points out that Dr. Sirnkovich has been treating combat veterans free of charge for years, which it's like, oh, that's generous or very sinister test subject situation.
40:58 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I took that.
41:00 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I took that as being really sinister.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I took that as massive red flag.
41:08 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:09 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we learned some more about Victor that starts to be like a little, oh, that his first trial of this memory drug was on prison patients in countries to indebted to the US to say no, according to Helen.
41:23 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Second was on, would a DOD recruits department of defense?
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:28 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
41:28 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Recruits who don't get to say in their medical care, and in both cases, they receive total memory wipes.
41:35 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Anna's, I have, I hear the Anna of propaganda is Anna Pruganda.
41:42 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, he let traumatized combat vets forget the horrors that they saw.
41:47 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He let career criminals forget that they were criminals and become productive members of society.
41:54 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, any time I hear the phrase productive, I'm a musician of society, right for the hills.
42:02 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's also, I don't like, he made criminals forget that they were criminals.
42:08 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that that's how it works.
42:10 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe give criminals a stable, secure situation where they don't feel like they have to resort to crime.
42:18 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the best way to stop people from committing crimes.
42:22 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, um, did you ever back in the 90s?
42:25 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever watch a show called Babylon Five?
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I am aware of it, but I never watched it.
42:31 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a so plot in that because one of the one of the things in the universe is that telepaths exist.
42:39 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
42:40 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there was a subplot in that where the punishment for capital crimes was a mind white.
42:50 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So you won't kill, but your entire like psyche was deleted and a new one was put in place.
42:56 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There would be like very focused on service and doing good deeds.
43:02 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a really good episode called, I think it's Season 3, called Midnight in Gethsemane, where the whole premise of the episode is, this guy is a serial killer, but he has had his mind wiped.
43:18 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He is now living on the Babylon Bible's Space Station.
43:21 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He is now living on the station with a
43:30 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And he is basically the family, the families of the victims find this guy and try to get him to remember what he did and in the end he kills himself and the episode closes with the ringleader of this group of families taking his place as a mum because he's had his
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, okay.
44:00 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So it just, it just, it just made me think of that.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
44:06 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do, we also find out, by the way, that Daniel's constantly worried about his fighter pilot sister, which I'll say is pretty book accurate, but I do wonder also if that makes him feel empathetic for, I don't know, how would you think about, we got this backstory drop for Victor that he lost his wife and child in a car accident when he fell asleep at the wheel, which I know situations where that's happened, and it's just one of the most devastating
44:34 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, how is that related to the memory stuff?
44:38 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's that thing to, it's that thing to wanting to spare people the pain he's going through.
44:44 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You make himself forget his story?
44:47 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was what I was going to say, or is it that he wants to forget his own story?
44:53 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I mean, but that's a thing.
44:54 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you're, if you're known publicly,
44:59 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you can forget the emotional experience of it, so perhaps you have a duller response to it, but it's publicly known that this is what happened.
45:09 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:12 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's interesting to see where that go is definitely makes him a sympathetic, very complex character as well.
45:23 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so let's bring the section to a close with Helen's visit.
45:27 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Helen sweeps into the stencing clinic, pretending to be Daniel's Harriet assistant.
45:31 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They're to check in on his sister for him and take her for a walk.
45:35 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_01]: She's honest with Charlotte that she's a reporter, but also tells her that Charlotte wanted to work with her before she lost her memory.
45:43 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She reminds Charlotte that something was bothering her about the mission to Iran.
45:48 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Charlotte has flashes of memory of a meeting with Helen in a car in the rain.
45:52 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: After this, she is too shaken to continue.
45:55 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, a man, played by Reed Bernie, watches them through a window with a stoic expression.
46:02 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Cut to Daniel swooping in, alerted to the unauthorized visit from Helen, who now waits under guard as Victor tries to help calm Charlotte down.
46:12 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel confronts Helen, who says she was only doing what pre-memory-law Charlotte wanted, reminding Daniel that it was Charlotte who came to her, and Charlotte who set up their non-date from the end of season two.
46:25 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And Helen asks Daniel if Charlotte was right to send her to him for help.
46:31 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Was the guy read burning the guy that was looking at what's that the guy on the subway train or am I sure what okay yeah So episode one for anyone who forgets when Charlotte thought she was being followed.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that was the guy
46:46 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I mean we don't know what character he's playing yet.
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a suspicion.
46:54 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see especially seeing him at this clinic with Victor.
46:58 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's what also we have to that.
47:00 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, I recognize that guy.
47:03 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure she's actually being followed.
47:09 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I thought, you know, I also have a journalism background.
47:12 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, loved Helen's, um, a part of what I do is help people get their story straight.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like you're right.
47:19 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_01]: A journalist would have a good structured way of helping someone dig into their memories.
47:27 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's actually she could be really helpful in this regard.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:32 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting.
47:34 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_01]: She brought up asking about if there are military visitors, hoping she'll vomit up something of value.
47:41 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, no, there isn't.
47:43 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if it's maybe they're coming later or be if they're being kept away or see if they're like on the board.
47:54 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, she says no.
47:55 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just Daniel Huffing hovering over her hoping she'll remember him.
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's got to be from her perspective.
48:01 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she wakes up and suddenly there's his guy there's like, you know me yet?
48:05 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like no, I'm sorry, dude.
48:06 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
48:07 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't make my brain do what you wanted to do right now.
48:14 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
48:14 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about the Iran discussion and the questions as laid out in this section?
48:22 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think the question comes up again?
48:25 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Was the dirty bomb attack on DC even real?
48:27 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, which I'm still sticking with.
48:33 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still sticking with my tin foil hat theory from last episode that no, it wasn't.
48:40 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And the guy encounters are actually checking for exposure to the good.
48:45 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in episode one.
48:48 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
48:50 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we also learn or we have confirmed at least that not all around missions were related to the nukes, Charlotte's was going to the mountains next to Turkmenistan and planes loaded with bunker busters and comms units replaced with an older system from the 80s.
49:07 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Helen says she thinks it's for security reasons and then says they might as well be flying Tom Katz.
49:13 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to need you to walk me through a couple of woods.
49:15 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with
49:18 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it means exactly what it says on the 10, it means a bomb large enough to be able to penetrate a bunker to be able to penetrate and particularly in the case of what we're seeing in a round, oftentimes what the Iranian regime has done is build bunkers or other structures into the sides of mountains or the geographical function.
49:42 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So what you actually need is a bomb that has multiple different
49:47 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's basically, if you can imagine that thing where you put like a chicken inside of a turkey inside of a duck, a turkey ducking.
49:56 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of thing.
49:57 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's where you basically basically have multiple bones inside the same thing so that it will penetrate all the way through to the bunker that you actually want to destroy.
50:08 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, okay, and then so a Tomcat that's I guess like a really simple jet Okay, so a 14 Tomcat is the plane that Tom Cruise flies in Tom gun
50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and so it's a really simple claim.
50:25 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really simple, it's really old.
50:29 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was bought into service in the late 1970s, sort of phased out in the early 2000s.
50:36 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, the only country that still flies them, ironically, isn't rotten.
50:40 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because they had a bunch delivered just before the Iranian Revolution.
50:45 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And so back when the show was in charge.
50:48 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the only Air Force in the world
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Is you raining, Air Force?
50:54 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
50:55 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, they replaced the comms units with an older system from the 80s because, you know, Helen's like, yeah, you don't want it to be all connected to the cloud or whatever for security reasons.
51:09 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it is interesting that, and again, all this plain stuff knew.
51:14 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is interesting that the silo computers, et cetera, also seem to be.
51:24 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Not network, not network, because as well as the key part of that.
51:31 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Small thing, but I'm gonna bring it up.
51:33 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
51:35 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The US would not be flying search and rescue out of Turkmenistan.
51:40 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Turkmenistan is one of the world's honest dictatorships.
51:44 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They take their neutrality extremely seriously.
51:47 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They take next to Turkmenistan.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They did the rescue charlotte.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it would rescue someone, right?
51:54 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You see, like I say, it's near the end of there.
51:58 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They take isolationism very, very seriously.
52:03 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:03 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But it does sound that like I think this confirms everything that we heard Senator Thurman tell Daniel.
52:12 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess she's been honest with him about everything with Charlotte thus far up until a point.
52:18 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:19 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_01]: As far as we know at least.
52:20 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:20 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:22 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And Helen says the rest of Charlotte's quadrant is dead or are they?
52:25 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know probably.
52:26 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
52:27 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:28 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We did, we did see several planes blow up, so.
52:32 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
52:33 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the question is why not Charlotte was she just lucky or is there something more?
52:39 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Was she saved somehow and how would that work or were the other ones killed like... What's she the only one that touched the good?
52:48 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, because they were all, the others were saying they were talking about it, but they said it's on our instruments, but I guess she touched it because she reached out and physically touched it, right?
52:59 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:00 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:00 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she made a choice.
53:02 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she actually went, I'm reaching through the screen.
53:05 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: She actually went, she actually went and touched it, so they played with it a lot of it.
53:10 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
53:11 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We put on our fingers and looked at it.
53:13 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I suppose the other said it was on their instruments, but that doesn't meant that they touched it.
53:17 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:18 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
53:19 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, um, and then yeah, Helen proposes that Charlotte was brought here for an intentional memory wife.
53:26 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, thank God for you, Helen.
53:28 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_00]: For I have a serious journalist for I am wearing his trench coat.
53:34 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's she's asking questions.
53:38 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's important we have for the character that asks the question.
53:42 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, well, there's something about the way Jessica and William is a stuff that you don't
53:48 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something about her delivery is earnest enough that you don't go the part of your brain that wants to go, well, just doesn't.
53:58 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Why think that's also why it's important that Donald is, sorry, Daniel is somewhat less inquisitive and contrast, you know?
54:07 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it gives her the opportunity to say these things and he's like, oh, oh, you think?
54:14 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true, yeah.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's take a quick break here when we come back.
54:20 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to switch to the silo 18 timeline.
54:26 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's talk about some not-so-secret notes, picking up right where episode left off, Juliette, Rebecca Ferguson, is burning the note she received in her food as instructed when she receives a knock at her door.
54:40 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_01]: She hastily puts out the small flame and pockets the remaining paper opening the door for Camille Sims, but at Alexandria Riley, who says she's just checking in on
54:54 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Juliet lies claiming it was burnt pizza.
54:58 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: On her own again, Julia compares what's left on the note with the handwriting on other notes in her possession, trying to find a match.
55:06 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This triggers a fuller version of the memory triggered by Orla's were good in supply comments at the council meeting last episode.
55:14 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: A memory of Shirley, Remi Milner, delivering Martha's Harriet Walters, note to tip her off that the outside suit would be sealed with the good tape.
55:25 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the algorithm tells Camille that the note is not of great concern itself, but the fact that Julia lied about it is.
55:33 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Julia's dream indicates that she is still harboring some memories in her subconscious.
55:39 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So the algorithm tells Camille to double her forget drug dose and tighten her security detail to make sure the Camille is the only person shaping her memories for another two weeks.
55:50 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Julia clearly has forgotten the cameras.
55:55 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a thing, they're talking about the cameras at the council meeting, but I guess Julia believes Sims when he's like, oh no, no, not in private residences.
56:04 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, I don't need the ones that serve a public safety.
56:08 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, which of course, and then he'll be like, well, the public safety depends on the safety of the mayor, right?
56:13 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
56:16 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I set this last episode and maybe I'm overthinking this and maybe I'm going to be made to seem very silly, but the algorithms, the algorithms voice sounds like Daniel to me.
56:29 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I did let's let's lean into this.
56:35 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_01]: 352 years, how would you think, like how do you think that I came about to be such?
56:42 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know, maybe because, okay, we know, we know Daniel, we know Daniel designed this drill.
56:50 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And presumably this drill is going to be important in the side of it.
56:55 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So, where they just think we have a fetish for drills.
56:58 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
56:59 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
57:00 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm just thinking, what if what if like Daniel's involvement in the design of the
57:11 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what if he was one of the people with the cable with the original packs in the original order?
57:17 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, I don't know, kind of lent his cognition is understanding, or that the algorithm was based off of his
57:30 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_01]: but what like what special skill in that regard you think he brings?
57:35 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe I probably just way over analyzing this.
57:40 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I did say this show will be over analyze.
57:44 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like maybe it's just like one of the save-on characters.
57:49 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So they just got actually so good to do.
57:51 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It just sounds like Daniel's a thing.
57:53 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, fair enough.
57:56 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, so echoing again when we talked about in the other part of the episode, the algorithm says, the medication can only erase what was, but if she does not trust the new narrative, we have a very different problem.
58:12 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so apparently the algorithm told Camille that Julia's memory reset would only take a month or two and it's been more than three now, um, and the algorithm says 352 years of data, um, six silos have successfully undergone full resets, including silo 1800 40 years ago, and that's the whole salvador queen era that we explored last, uh, last season that let Lucas to the door and all that, um,
58:40 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke, what do you think a reset entails?
58:44 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: What we kind of know a bit about it.
58:46 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the memory suppression.
58:48 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the memory suppression drugs in the water that Bernard talked about last season, but it's also, it must also be about being able to spend a convincing story about the nature of the silo and war and.
59:08 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Why everybody is there kind of thing and I just wonder like okay Julia is particularly resistant to this this memory suppressant drug Fair enough, but there are 10 people in the silent and as we'll see at the end of the episode there are what two barons four barons
59:31 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This fit him in D plus hmm.
59:33 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna put in the water.
59:35 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So like but I guess if it's concentrated Yeah, I'm just thinking because again, this is just going back to last season But no, I'd kind of implies that it's not like one big bang everybody wakes up one morning and they can't remember
59:49 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_00]: the memory's fade over time.
59:53 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, are we going to start?
59:57 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So say by episode 7 or 8 of this season are we going to see, I don't know, not to surely not be able to start, not be able to remember stuff all.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll start to see the effects of a reset towards the end of the season.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean so on the timeline they said three days last episode and this episode was another day I wonder if they're all going to be like one day like that unless I let 18 timeline But anyway, that means us two days left so we'll see what happens over presumably the next two episodes then
01:00:30 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting so the algorithm said this stuff about the resets that six silos have successfully undergone it.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That the six silo successfully underwent it that begs the question how many of we're not successful.
01:00:47 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And what is like this we heard also we had this this reset that you know this apparently putting this stuff in the water But then there's also something they call it last season the safeguard and that seems to be what caused Jimmy's silo silo 17 to die.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so presumably the site
01:01:08 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of, we kind of inferred, I think the safeguard is what happens when, you know, when a rebellion succeeds in the silo, but also is it what happens when a reset doesn't successfully take place?
01:01:23 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, another question from, are there any silo's in which a reset hasn't been necessary?
01:01:30 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that I've just been going on for 352 years.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, why are you literally carrying out?
01:01:37 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so because that would mean that that would mean, if only six of them successfully underwent them, then that would mean that 44, but that already is so, I hope so.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it is interesting that Algorithm did not say this many failed and whatever, or...
01:01:58 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean also, like, silent, we know that silo 18 is undergone not one reset, but it's undergone multiple.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they went through multiple revolutions, and they were having revolutions about every 20 years.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is something he always talked about.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This does come from the book where he just had this idea.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The like every generation has to have their own revolution because we keep forgetting to get it.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The generation before, and, you know, we're not learning from our mistakes.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the idea was like, well, what if they really truly forgot the option of revolting or what upset them in the first place and that's held them for 140 years?
01:02:36 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then we also hear, again, some individuals, sometimes individuals are targeted as we obviously have see happening with Juliette and in rare cases, some outliers are more immune and that fits with the 10% that we heard in the Victor Conversation.
01:02:55 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And now Camille has to somehow keep Juliette under constant surveillance while also convincing her that she's her only friend or most trusted ally.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: be really uncomfortable and up your ass, but yeah, yeah, but we're best friends, right?
01:03:15 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not going to let you out my sight at any point.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be incredibly clinging stuff, borderline stalker, it's one of borderline, I can fly out of stalker, it's baby, but yeah, we're best these.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: and threaten your guards if they don't do the same.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: This is this is correct.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I can feel your frustration.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I can feel your frustration.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I want to punch you.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to punch you.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to punch you.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're in other than face.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're a monitor.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:57 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's talk about Arbor Billings, a new pact, Sheriff Paul Billings, Chanas Uche, is at work editing the text of the pact when a deputy Brian Law knocks on the door to tell him he has a visitor.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the sister of Orla, the shadow of the head of supply.
01:04:14 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Sheila Kent, Celine Arden, is concerned that her sister has gone missing after not stopping by her place last night as she does every night after her shift, a deal Orla made with
01:04:26 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Billings, messages, Carla McLean, head of supply to ask her if she has a status on Orla, and then I'll just say now that at the end of the episode, we get a reply that, uh, no, No Orla.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I knew I'm like, or I said to her last episode, she didn't listen to me, but I said to Orla, tell your boyfriend the thing, because as soon as you say, I'll tell you when I get back, you're not coming back.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if you never, I'm just gonna say if you never watch the movie, but no, you actually haven't ever watched the movie, so it's fine.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you need to learn things, remember things.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess the question that comes up is, the more sort of plot satisfying point would be, she'd found out what was in those barrels, but that's pretty unlikely.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We might working theory at the moment is she's gotten a bit too close to whatever the corruption scandal in the minds is and she's buried in a mind chest.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So we know that she was going to investigate.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: She thought she said there was supply.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There were things disappearing from critical supply.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And she had a suspicion that they were being moved at night through this construction project on the stairs, which I guess they would have to be depending on where there's it.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And so she was going to investigate that.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, do you think she's okay?
01:06:02 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think she's being held hostage or a willing hostage or a dead?
01:06:07 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just respect, I don't think she is as simple as them with the outside.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a suspicion that she's going to, they are going to run into each other at some point.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Kennedy and Orla.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think the thing that's going missing in critical supply has traces back to the outside as the Patrick Kennedy's group.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, yeah.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it seems like we're who also be taking supplies.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And we saw like they had quite some tunnel making.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were doing the best impression of the greatest game going on there.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and where's her boyfriend with his dog, isn't he concerned as well?
01:06:54 --> 01:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah!
01:06:55 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you don't want the domestic arrangement, so she's telling me missing for like a dad yourself.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, he would be helpful because he could at least say this is where she said she was going.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true, yeah.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so her sister was like, I can't lie to my parents that she stayed at my house again.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess her parents are going to find out tonight that Orla is missing.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So about Billings at the beginning of the scene we see him working on the pact and I do think that he was working on I tried to pause and look but I'll say that there was like this extremely narrow for focus The made most of the page blurry, but I do think he was working on a page that was about you know, restricting people with the syndrome and changing that.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you think I was trying to pay attention and I could go either way was his hand shaking ever so slightly as he held the paper?
01:07:54 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not that I could, not that I could see, but I wasn't really paying, while I wasn't really paying that close of attention.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, I thought it wasn't, I thought it was a little bit, but not nearly as much as it used to before he went to the down deep, and it seemed to stop for, yeah, yeah.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, I'm still keeping an eye on it, still keeping an eye on it.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's time for some reluctant reunions.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: As Juliet sweeps out of her apartment, attempting to go to the meeting place indicated on the note, Deputy Jerry Lee and Akpan trails after her reminding her that Camille asked them to log her visits more formally today.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Juliet asks Teddy, Oletoon, J.O.F.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: and Knox, Shane McRae, to let her across the gap in the stairs, saying she wants to see Martha Walker.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But Knox says she went to level 60 for medical supplies and should be back soon.
01:08:49 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: While they wait, Knox asks for a private conversation, much to deputy Jerry Shagrin.
01:08:54 --> 01:09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He tells her that Shirley remembered something about Bernard Holland, Tim Robbins, after Juliet asked her about him in the last episode.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Lucas Kyle, Avi Nash, came downstairs during the rebellion saying he was Bernard Shadow and he knew Juliet, and that he knew that Juliet's camera footage from her walk-out side saw her going inside another structure, and that Shirley took him to the digger void where he was looking for something at the bottom.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Walker shows up then and takes Juliet for a coffee.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Deputy Jerry reluctantly in distant tow.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And Juliet tells Martha about the note she received in her soup to go to the marketplace at two to find out the truth.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And she tells her that she remembers Martha's note when she was sent to clean, making Juliet inclined to trust her.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Martha tells Juliet that she always trusted her own gut and is usually right.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Reminding her that she has stubborn, Juliet decides she will go also love the line too coffees hold the flastery.
01:09:58 --> 01:10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Martha when they first show over the cafeteria right line she can wait like the rest of us she's always keeping Juliet down there.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:10 --> 01:10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julia's response is, why did I spend so much time with you?
01:10:17 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will point out Martha in the scene.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: She gives Julia her multi-tool back another memory, art of fact.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you do it?
01:10:24 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Pick it up.
01:10:26 --> 01:10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she left it.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we didn't see her in frame pick it up, but she took it, yeah, I would say.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about poor?
01:10:34 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about WJerry, especially the next part.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got, like, it feels like he gets the toughest jobs guarding in the silo.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just like, yeah.
01:10:49 --> 01:10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, what with Sims and the peanut gallery last season?
01:10:53 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and Bernard in the suit, yeah.
01:10:56 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't, I wonder if it's like a hereditary thing, you know, but it was the far away last season.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It was in charge of making the wall.
01:11:05 --> 01:11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder whether like Deputy Jerry, like they come from a long line of the long line of Sheriffs, he was at the guard, but he was at the guard, people.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do think we saw growth in him in, in this episode alone, I think we saw some major growth.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also, I think, like, I'll say, I'll put him on the Juliet end of the Sims 9 scale.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He seems trustworthy.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's trying to do the right thing.
01:11:37 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just scared of Camille Sims, but it was a new wooden thing.
01:11:44 --> 01:11:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this whole thing was Shirley.
01:11:46 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So we see Juliet passes Shirley complaining to her team that they don't have enough rebar to fix the stairs.
01:11:54 --> 01:12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And there is a sort of eye contact, because now, Julie, it's also had this memory of Shirley handing her, you know, these hush properties within the tin with the note and all that.
01:12:03 --> 01:12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So she also knows in some part of her Shirley's wanted to trust, but Shirley's still not handling it well and she just runs away and hides.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And Knox is like, Shirley talked to Julie yet.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Julie had asked you for help, and she's just like, I can't, I can't.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I always been kind of against the idea that the
01:12:30 --> 01:12:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Shirley and Juliet were in a romantic relationship at some point, but I'm starting to rethink that after this episode because yeah, the way Remy Milner played it for the last couple of episodes, this is more, I think this reads more like unrequited romantic affection than
01:12:59 --> 01:13:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it is, I think both things can be true at once.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, knocks, blessed, knocked, blessed.
01:13:11 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Knocks may be the most sensible person in the silence.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you think?
01:13:16 --> 01:13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still mad at him pretending in Juliette and season one.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not saying he's always right.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying he, him and Walker, like the solid, common sense, no nonsense.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get the job done.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Coro's like, sorry.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am Julia says to Knox, I have this feeling we didn't really see eye to eye and he said we did all right, I don't know how would you characterize the relationship I was like when she said that I was like what you guys are best well, no, it's true.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true.
01:13:53 --> 01:13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they are besties, but you know, we don't forget because friendship is going to be so long in it.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And we hear also, I guess this is an important tip, but Camille has been telling them all, giving them instructions on how to talk Juliet to Juliet to not fuck up her recovery.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably in Shirley's head as well.
01:14:14 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, I have to follow some weird protocol with my best friends and childhood.
01:14:20 --> 01:14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Shirley doesn't do well with following rules.
01:14:24 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
01:14:26 --> 01:14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad Knox is definitely being the go between here,
01:14:31 --> 01:14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Julie, yeah, Shirley was camped outside your hospital room for days when you were sick and then you just ignored her and that crushed her and it's like, yeah, I couldn't see that yeah, that would hurt no definitely hurt.
01:14:45 --> 01:15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, surely talking about the not having enough rebar to fix the stairs, like I thought I was saying last episode, I thought maybe Orla thought that Shirley was stealing stuff because she's talked about she that's how she's moving it, uh, but I thought I don't think it's Shirley personally, but I maybe Orla does I thought that she in that sense referred to the the head of mine's
01:15:09 --> 01:15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: daughter that you used to be in supply, but there's no point to the lines.
01:15:13 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you think that, okay, you think that the corruption thing might be involved with her stealing from.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, that's, that's how I understood it anyway.
01:15:24 --> 01:15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, I'm putting this way, I think that's what all the things.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but we still haven't met Ed Hardwood's daughter, Glenda, so hopefully soon.
01:15:36 --> 01:15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, all signs this episode are pointing toward Lucas.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of talk about Lucas this episode.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Might even see him soon.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have a flashback.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, you've got down there in one episode, like I did.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
01:15:54 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm greedy.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:15:56 --> 01:16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's tuck into some market mayhem, Juliet and her watchdog deputy Jerry enter the marketplace.
01:16:04 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: People gawking at Juliet as she passes, including those fan girls who traded her brother's toy for a share of spag in episode one.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: When Juliet asks for 30 minutes of space, Deputy Jerry tells her that he's too afraid of Camille to allow that to happen.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So Juliet seeks her fangirls on him pretending that he touched her inappropriately, allowing her to slip away.
01:16:27 --> 01:16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But one of the fangirls, Evelyn,
01:16:29 --> 01:16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Kaya-Kam, Kaza-Cham, peels off to follow Juliette.
01:16:35 --> 01:16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Juliette is soon gathered up by her former assistant Sandy, Chippo-Chung, disguised, who is disguised in right gear and taken to a back room where Patrick Kennedy, Rick Gomez, and Danny Bly, will Merrick await.
01:16:49 --> 01:16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They, of course, all have to remind her who they are, the guys she forced to help her hack into the hard drive to see the video from George in season one.
01:16:58 --> 01:17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They, of course, saw the video of the Jane Carmody cleaning, showing the green world outside with the V of flying birds, and thus they believe that video to be real.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julia doesn't remember that it's not.
01:17:12 --> 01:17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So they ask her why she's been, quote unquote, lying about the outside and show her two helmets.
01:17:18 --> 01:17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The one they stole from IT in episode 1 labeled 18 and the one Juliet war on her walk back home labeled 17.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The latter gives her flashes of memory of solos, Steve's on handing her that helmet in the other silo.
01:17:33 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They ask her about the sign she held up, Sandy saying that she could tell it wasn't Julia's handwriting.
01:17:40 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So they brought up that sign you were asking about.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I didn't have chance to go back and watch our episode 10 of season two prior to recording the song.
01:17:51 --> 01:17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't thinking it was solo that wrote the song.
01:17:54 --> 01:17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was the kids, if I recall.
01:17:56 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was the kids, I can't remember.
01:17:57 --> 01:17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:17:58 --> 01:17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's interesting.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But I am glad that they bought it the song, and they're not just completely ignoring that.
01:18:05 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That was there, because yeah, that was bugging me.
01:18:11 --> 01:18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's like this whole scene is so frustrating because they're so close, they're so close, they're so close to getting it.
01:18:18 --> 01:18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They're so close to understanding a bit more about what's really going on, what's actually happening, they're a multiple silos.
01:18:26 --> 01:18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just can't quite get there.
01:18:30 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a big leap, you know, it's like, can you imagine it's like, there's multiple earth's like, what are you talking about?
01:18:39 --> 01:18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is everything.
01:18:42 --> 01:18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I felt really bad for deputy Jerry here.
01:18:46 --> 01:18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to it, but I'm glad Juliet apologizes later.
01:18:49 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was not cool of her, but also.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was necessary.
01:18:53 --> 01:18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:55 --> 01:19:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I love when they go to the marketplace, I like the way that, you know, good production design set decoration, all of that.
01:19:02 --> 01:19:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do wish they called it the bizarre, but that's just because so the hope character in the books is an eight-year-old named Elise, and obviously she grew up in a dead silo, so when she learns about the existence of the bizarre in silo's that are not dead, she calls it the
01:19:25 --> 01:19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was cute to have an eight-year-old hope Benny get some cute lines instead.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:19:31 --> 01:19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, no silence of a teen yet.
01:19:32 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:19:34 --> 01:19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a pertinent person with a hurt wrist waiting outside the meeting spot and it's Kathleen.
01:19:41 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: How did we not work that out that's that for so like I was actually sitting there kicking with self because like yeah it makes me look like all of the this well billings is being with billings is not doing very much of course that's why billings is doing this thing
01:19:58 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I figured I didn't I thought maybe Billings was like directly working with someone not necessarily Patrick Kennedy.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but yeah, no, it makes sense to be Kathleen.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, she's been activated by the book and by that flash of green screen, yeah.
01:20:16 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say about, you know, there's been a lot of bitching online about Julia's memory loss storyline.
01:20:22 --> 01:20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think people are just like a media like, oh, I just hate amnesia storylines.
01:20:26 --> 01:20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, first of all, it is very relevant to the overall story.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, and I think this episode starts to illustrate why.
01:20:32 --> 01:20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope we're relying this before the episode comes out to hope.
01:20:35 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that it will be well received, but I realize it's also from a storytelling perspective.
01:20:45 --> 01:20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: to remind viewers who is who and what is what because I know a lot of viewers didn't rewatch the prior seasons and then like who are all these people.
01:20:53 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So here they haven't excused to tell the main character like you don't remember me in this thing we together at the end of season one.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you but I do get where people are coming from.
01:21:08 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: particularly that we we've already had a season last season where Juliet was wandering around a silo truntersolve puzzle.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean she lives in a silo where else is she gonna wander?
01:21:18 --> 01:21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's true.
01:21:21 --> 01:21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like I think well I've sort of touched on this before.
01:21:25 --> 01:21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a real credit to the writing and it's a real credit to Rebecca Ferguson.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: as an actor.
01:21:34 --> 01:21:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think, because this is obviously, I think, to a certain extent coming from the book as well.
01:21:39 --> 01:21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's also credit to Hugh Howard.
01:21:41 --> 01:21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's very red in television that you get a main character, which is what Julia is.
01:21:48 --> 01:21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she is just the full crew on which the whole
01:22:00 --> 01:22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's like a fool.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everybody, you know, so Martha's talking to us, Julia, Julia's very stubborn.
01:22:11 --> 01:22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole bit in season one where they're repairing the generator where she just punches coat.
01:22:19 --> 01:22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: um because she's not doing like she's not as she's stubborn she's quite in our titular she's not she's not good she's not good around people any of that that that that that's
01:22:34 --> 01:22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, you know, she's not a romantic hero.
01:22:37 --> 01:22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:22:38 --> 01:22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not this is not this is not, this is not, this is not, uh, this is not Frodo bag.
01:22:44 --> 01:22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke Skywalker is really whining to start and I think this is a huge star It's been.
01:22:48 --> 01:22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's not the story.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not Frodo bag in.
01:22:51 --> 01:22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you know, it's not the hero's journey.
01:22:53 --> 01:22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You Julia is Julia is a good person.
01:22:57 --> 01:23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if she's clearly a good guy with, she's not somebody, put it this way, I wouldn't want to spend an evening with Julia, I don't think.
01:23:07 --> 01:23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe if you somebody like Shirley or Walker, the guests know are really well, or George, you do see that softer, that softer side of her book, that that's not many people.
01:23:19 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I'm not saying there's a bad thing.
01:23:22 --> 01:23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that that doesn't often get represented on television in terms of like main character energy.
01:23:30 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's not anything about, you need, you know, the main character needs to be likable in some way.
01:23:37 --> 01:23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Julia is, and actually, and I'm not saying that there's a bad thing, I think it's actually kind of a breath of fresh air to be honest.
01:23:45 --> 01:23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, because we have in this scene, also like the characters who have gone orchestrated this whole thing to meet with our Patrick and Danny are like, yeah, you forced us to do this thing with you.
01:23:58 --> 01:24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we both got thrown into judicial seclusion and have been on the run and you ruined our lives just so you know, you ruined our lives and Sandy's like, yeah, I used to work for you in the office upstairs and you didn't ruin my life, but I still just don't like you.
01:24:15 --> 01:24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I used to, I always still think about her, Julie at saying to her, about the eating babies.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But Sandy, I mean, she's a good character to keep around because she has worked up top.
01:24:30 --> 01:24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: She has those connections, but also she's now working for a deputy station in the lower mids.
01:24:37 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So that gives her some inside access.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:24:46 --> 01:25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I did sort of, I did sort of go home that the Patrick Kennedy didn't immediately put it together, that it took him like a minute to put it together, that the drugs were real, like it seems literally told you all about this.
01:25:04 --> 01:25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but why would he believe Sims?
01:25:07 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, just to recap, Patrick brings up the time that Sims offered him drugs to forget his wife's death, proposing that maybe this is the same, and Julia admits that she's indeed being fed a bunch of pills, but I don't know, like I can understand Patrick Kennedy not taking Sims at his word.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess.
01:25:26 --> 01:25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess.
01:25:28 --> 01:25:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is interesting that like they are so wrong about of being okay outside, but they are also so right about her being fed false memories.
01:25:38 --> 01:25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:25:40 --> 01:25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think this whole thing with the billings and part of the kind of thing, it goes to show why the path, why from the point of view,
01:25:53 --> 01:25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: of keeping the silo running the pack is so important.
01:25:58 --> 01:26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And that the idea of like suppressing any knowledge of what the outside world was is so important.
01:26:06 --> 01:26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Because
01:26:10 --> 01:26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good, like, the idea of the, you know, the silo, we've talked about this at the length in previous seasons.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The silo isn't a natural environment, so any time you give people a, any hint that the outside used to be better at some point, people are going to want to go outside.
01:26:30 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think, like, from the point of view of keeping the silo functioning, I think
01:26:37 --> 01:26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they've done this on several occasions there.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the whole and the whole discussion of that Georgia book is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's.
01:26:47 --> 01:27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: it really illustrates why it's important that these relics are contained because you could say like oh what would be the harm but I think people are if you show people ocean people are going to want to go to the ocean you show people like forest people are going to want to see forest even if they can see outside through the windows that's not there there's always the hope that it might
01:27:17 --> 01:27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but also, yeah, I would think that the Camille or the Algorithm would want Juliet to remember the outside bad part, but I guess it's a slippery slope, because when she remembers that, she remembers, I didn't go into a hot, I have over a bunch of dead bodies.
01:27:36 --> 01:27:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did, I did, that's memorable.
01:27:38 --> 01:27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I did, like, when she's looking out the cafeteria window later on, and you see, you see, you see, Holston lying there as well.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Just buy that stump, buy it, treat them.
01:27:52 --> 01:27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:27:54 --> 01:27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Allison.
01:27:55 --> 01:27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:27:57 --> 01:27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
01:27:57 --> 01:28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I have two nits to pick with this scene.
01:28:00 --> 01:28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Go on.
01:28:02 --> 01:28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: One is that, uh, about this outside that Julia didn't know the word birds until solo taught it to her, which he knew from, you know, the vaults from reading all the, you know, all the stuff in the vault.
01:28:15 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so how do you Danny and Patrick know what birds are called?
01:28:19 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Huh?
01:28:20 --> 01:28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a very, that is a very good question.
01:28:23 --> 01:28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:28:47 --> 01:28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, my other thing, I don't know that this is so much a knit as rather I just like I'm curious to see when it comes to presumably we'll see like the silos being stocks or something at some point.
01:28:59 --> 01:29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm wondering why would you mark the helmets with the silo numbers same for that hard drive I guess.
01:29:04 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would it be marks with the silo numbers like, why aren't to all the helmets the same and all the silo.
01:29:10 --> 01:29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:29:11 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:29:13 --> 01:29:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a good point.
01:29:15 --> 01:29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: that might have an explanation.
01:29:16 --> 01:29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:29:21 --> 01:29:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's take one final break and when we come back we'll talk about the aftermath of this little meeting.
01:29:29 --> 01:29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: In the marketplace, the fan girl who followed Juliet tells Camille and Billings that she will show them where Juliet was taken in exchange for one favor, meeting Juliet.
01:29:39 --> 01:29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: As raiders descend on the location, Kathleen Billings, Katelyn Zaz, whistles to war in the group of in the storage room.
01:29:47 --> 01:29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Juliet steps out just in time and the others lock the door behind her so the raiders can't get it.
01:29:52 --> 01:29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: When they bust down the door, they're gone.
01:29:55 --> 01:30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The Raider leader, Chris Emerson, played by Florian Claire, discovers a wall that is actually adore with a tunnel dug through the walls behind it.
01:30:05 --> 01:30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Back in the marketplace, Camille asked Juliette what they said to her and Juliette tells her the truth, part of it at least, that Patrick once Juliette to tell everybody it's safe outside.
01:30:16 --> 01:30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Juliette apologizes and Camille tells her she needs to have a meat and greet with the fangirl.
01:30:23 --> 01:30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So this whole thing about digging the tunnel behind this room makes me wonder, like, have they gone, like, all shawshank redemption all over the inner hallways of the silo?
01:30:35 --> 01:30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the other thing that's so instruct me about that is,
01:30:40 --> 01:30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: How they compromise by digging tunnels where you're not meant to dig tunnels.
01:30:45 --> 01:30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't, they haven't, they haven't like, compromise is a structural integrity of the site.
01:30:49 --> 01:30:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
01:30:50 --> 01:30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I have an engineer in their team, at least.
01:30:53 --> 01:30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:30:55 --> 01:30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's none of those three are.
01:30:57 --> 01:30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:30:57 --> 01:31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, so it's like, and we're also, also, I just think I just think it would be very funny if we got a scene with them digging tunnels.
01:31:13 --> 01:31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody just go back early.
01:31:15 --> 01:31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody just go.
01:31:16 --> 01:31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's been at the question.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't see anything.
01:31:19 --> 01:31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
01:31:23 --> 01:31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's also worth noting, by the way, that this group is also looking for Lucas Kyle.
01:31:31 --> 01:31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So apparently he has not been seen since Rebellion, it's been 92 days, not the Patrick is counting.
01:31:40 --> 01:31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do we think he is?
01:31:42 --> 01:31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly don't know.
01:31:45 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can only think like the digger void because of the whole thing about Martha blocking it off, but that would mean he's with Martha and Yeah, maybe she tells you.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's a yeah, maybe he's in Martha's workshop.
01:31:57 --> 01:32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if Martha was with him, she would have said something to Julia, maybe when they met this.
01:32:02 --> 01:32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But only the only that that was in a very public place, and she still had Jerry the guard laying around, so maybe she thought it was too dangerous.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
01:32:13 --> 01:32:31 [SPEAKER_01]: but yet they they want to find him because he was in the mines before becoming Bernard Shadow uh and he was in the mines because Juliet is again ruined in lives and showed him the hard drive a red level relic and he didn't report it uh but what they want to know is why did Bernard pull him out of the mines?
01:32:32 --> 01:32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So everybody looking for Lucas, which I think can part the fan girl interaction.
01:32:39 --> 01:32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:32:40 --> 01:32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And you enjoy this exclusive expand experience.
01:32:42 --> 01:32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Did that, did that?
01:32:44 --> 01:32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So when she told you, well, when she's got a copy of Juliet's tattoo, I was gonna did that, huh?
01:32:53 --> 01:32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really, well yeah, it did.
01:32:55 --> 01:32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you know what it means?
01:32:57 --> 01:33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't either, so you've just got a, you've just got a meatball series.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, like when I say cutely, I'm not being likable.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the thing I'm talking about.
01:33:09 --> 01:33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but I like I like someone who is no nonsense.
01:33:14 --> 01:33:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
01:33:15 --> 01:33:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The bullshit, but I'll say on the one hand like that when the fangirl she introduced herself is Juliet.
01:33:21 --> 01:33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, ew, ew, like you don't don't do that too, Juliet, especially that's so gross.
01:33:27 --> 01:33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But when Juliet had that whole exchange about the tattoos,
01:33:32 --> 01:33:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the Evelyn is her real name.
01:33:34 --> 01:33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: She says, you know what, it means something because it comes from the person who saved the silo from self-destruction.
01:33:41 --> 01:33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So Evelyn's right, if she finds meaning in it in that way, then it doesn't matter what it meant to Julia.
01:33:49 --> 01:33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then fair enough.
01:33:52 --> 01:33:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious if the fan girls are going to be coming back, or it's been two episodes now.
01:33:57 --> 01:33:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Are they a regular feature?
01:34:01 --> 01:34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:34:02 --> 01:34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's check in on the husband of the revolution.
01:34:05 --> 01:34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Billy goes home and finds his wife rebandaging her wrist and warns her that she should wear long sleeves until it heals because they're looking for a woman with an injured wrist.
01:34:16 --> 01:34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: there is clear tension between the couple with Kathleen not exactly feeling grateful that her husband hasn't quote unquote put his foot down about her rebel activities, but he says things have gone too far and he doesn't know what he can do if she is caught.
01:34:35 --> 01:34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you said you had some thoughts about the
01:34:47 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just, like, the poor Billings, poor Billings, I think is my favorite character in silent.
01:34:57 --> 01:35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because, like I said before, because he is the exact midpoint of the Sims Nautical like he could go, he could go in any direction.
01:35:08 --> 01:35:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a true neutral in the D&D scale.
01:35:10 --> 01:35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
01:35:15 --> 01:35:26 [SPEAKER_00]: This struggle he is having with the pact, knowing that it's knowing that it was at least in part, a lie.
01:35:27 --> 01:35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But also this very, it's very, sort of human idea that they're going to be rules.
01:35:33 --> 01:35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be something that we live for.
01:35:36 --> 01:35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They've got to be, there's got to be there's got to be some way of balancing order and justice
01:35:45 --> 01:36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: basically, I'm not to get like two-meta, but I think that's kind of, you almost see that that tension play out through billings in the, in that he is constantly trying to find where the right balance is between doing the right thing and keeping order in the side of him.
01:36:06 --> 01:36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think having that, having that tension being bought home
01:36:13 --> 01:36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, buy that book, buy that page out of Georgia tourist book.
01:36:18 --> 01:36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's really messing with balance because this is the other like cornerstone of his character.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a family now.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And the same way the Robert Sims is.
01:36:33 --> 01:36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think we talked about this last season.
01:36:36 --> 01:36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that's going to move buildings off the packed and off this idea of the need to maintain the rules, the need to maintain all is is far more because that's really, it's so yeah, I didn't want to say too much about what's going on in this episode, but I think this episode sets up a whole series of possibilities
01:37:01 --> 01:37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, yeah, then they are pool buildings is definitely by some distance, the most interesting character in the show for me at the moment.
01:37:12 --> 01:37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I understand that and I think this this scene does exemplify it because, you know, we are reminded that he this is Mr. Memorize the packed one the packed Reciation competitions four times I believe it was so it's it's kind of like asking him to rewrite his Bible like that's a lot Yeah, that's a lot to put that's a lot to put all one person
01:37:33 --> 01:37:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:37:34 --> 01:37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And, but he's a complex person, indeed, because he does come across as slightly controlling toward his wife here.
01:37:42 --> 01:37:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I, I didn't like Kathleen for a season.
01:37:45 --> 01:37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She really grew me last season.
01:37:47 --> 01:37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And now she's con full rebels.
01:37:48 --> 01:37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're my girl.
01:37:51 --> 01:38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I can feel like why she would shave at that, but on the other hand, the fact that he's ignoring the law at all is a huge deal for Billings.
01:38:01 --> 01:38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no better way that he could express how much he loves his wife than by looking away from what she's doing right now.
01:38:09 --> 01:38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:38:10 --> 01:38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:38:11 --> 01:38:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, I think what he's doing is controlling.
01:38:20 --> 01:38:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think like, I do think like Kathleen is being a bit naive and I think Billings has a better set because don't forget Billings started out in judicial.
01:38:35 --> 01:38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think Billings has a much better sense of think Kathleen have just how bad things could get.
01:38:42 --> 01:38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: just how quickly things could go sideways for them.
01:38:50 --> 01:38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he is being controlled a little bit at the same time.
01:38:52 --> 01:38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Kathleen has properly thought through how dangerous what she's doing is.
01:39:02 --> 01:39:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But also in the other hand, like so she's like you saw that page and Billings, I guess he still hasn't told her that he tore the page out of an entire book and burned the rest.
01:39:13 --> 01:39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know, I guess no.
01:39:17 --> 01:39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Paul, Paul, Paul.
01:39:21 --> 01:39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, Kathleen is an addition in this story.
01:39:25 --> 01:39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say that at this point, I think she's a great one.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it really adds a lot of complexity to Billings as a character.
01:39:34 --> 01:39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you said Billings is also her own character, too.
01:39:37 --> 01:39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you said Billings is like a much more passive character in the book.
01:39:41 --> 01:39:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does come like at the basically at the end of wool.
01:39:48 --> 01:39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So we can say that now because we're through that.
01:39:51 --> 01:40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: When Lucas is actually going to be sent out to clean because of this stuff that Julia got him into, similar to this, but he's actually going to be sent out to clean instead of sent to the minds.
01:40:04 --> 01:40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And Billings, he,
01:40:07 --> 01:40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: ends up learning something and that part has not really paid out yet talking that's okay.
01:40:13 --> 01:40:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He ends up learning something that makes him realize that Bernard's been lying about everything.
01:40:19 --> 01:40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So Billings is the one who's like, wait, I'm not sending out Lucas to clean.
01:40:23 --> 01:40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sending Bernard out to clean.
01:40:25 --> 01:40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:40:25 --> 01:40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to say?
01:40:29 --> 01:40:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get a no, I'm saying careful, careful, not just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I'm just boy, no, I
01:40:48 --> 01:40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so a long day comes to an end, returning home, Camille tells Julie yet this whole incident better not happen again, and deputy Jerry confronts her as well.
01:40:58 --> 01:41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: First, for calling a mob of young women to attack him in the marketplace,
01:41:02 --> 01:41:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But then he also admits that keeping Juliet underlocking key doesn't feel right either.
01:41:07 --> 01:41:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He says that Juliet can tell him in the future when she wants to do something on her own.
01:41:12 --> 01:41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And his allegiance is to her over his mayor, over, quote unquote, Mrs. Sims.
01:41:17 --> 01:41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's funny.
01:41:18 --> 01:41:21 [SPEAKER_01]: She calls, she's like, you know, he's like, no, no, no, Mrs. Sims.
01:41:22 --> 01:41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Be respectful.
01:41:25 --> 01:41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: At home, Nurse Amy, Jacqueline Berses notes that Julia's blood pressure is up and gives her her quote-unquote vitamins, which Julia only pretends to take before spitting them down the sink.
01:41:37 --> 01:41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Julia heads to the cafeteria with her evening guard, Deputy Hilly, Latoya Harding, and there she admires the stars.
01:41:46 --> 01:41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Another snippet of memory comes back to her, remembering Lucas
01:41:54 --> 01:42:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Nars Amy sneaks back into Julia's apartment and finds the pill she spit into the sink, and Camille debriefs the algorithm insisting that Julia is getting back on track, now apologizing about hiding the note.
01:42:07 --> 01:42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The algorithm informs Camille that if Julia's memory wife doesn't take, it would be catastrophic.
01:42:13 --> 01:42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Removing her from the silo would also be catastrophic.
01:42:17 --> 01:42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The only hope is that the vitamin D plus hits the water supply before that happens.
01:42:23 --> 01:42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They have two days left.
01:42:25 --> 01:42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:42:27 --> 01:42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, are we on team deputy Jerry after this episode?
01:42:32 --> 01:42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we are on teen debt with you, Jerry.
01:42:35 --> 01:42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a bit like another, a bit like another D.A.
01:42:39 --> 01:42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Garbius.
01:42:39 --> 01:42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just trying to get through the day, you know?
01:42:43 --> 01:42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just trying to make you from one shift for the next.
01:42:46 --> 01:42:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a moral man, he says he honors his badge and his wife through that end of the panic at the end.
01:42:52 --> 01:42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And my wife.
01:42:57 --> 01:43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the algorithm says it was unfortunate.
01:43:00 --> 01:43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Julie, it survived going outside, but the numbers show it should be okay to let her live.
01:43:05 --> 01:43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even beneficial as long as her memory is reset.
01:43:09 --> 01:43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about this functioning of the algorithm and like measuring these probabilities and scenarios?
01:43:17 --> 01:43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm putting it open a nice useful graph form.
01:43:20 --> 01:43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, very visual, thank you.
01:43:27 --> 01:43:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We really, we really do need to find out who programmed the algorithm and what it deal is.
01:43:34 --> 01:43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And the only two people that have any chance of telling us that are Lucas who we can't find.
01:43:44 --> 01:43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And Bernard, he's dead.
01:43:47 --> 01:43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So unless we can find Lucas, we really don't have any
01:43:55 --> 01:44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Finally, what the algorithm is, the thing is, the thing is, like Bernard said in last season, that the key thing for the key attribute for a head of IT is a strong imagination.
01:44:13 --> 01:44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: They curiosity, yeah.
01:44:15 --> 01:44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Curiosity.
01:44:16 --> 01:44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Camille has that.
01:44:19 --> 01:44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't?
01:44:20 --> 01:44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: she smart but i don't but the thing is but a Bernard didn't have it either that was what remember what was it that Judge Meadow said to him that it was like um him trying to imagine a color that didn't exist was like anything else i like anything else at the packed yeah so i think
01:44:41 --> 01:44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: she's more like Bernard and she's more like Bernard and I think she might be but she might be who the algorithm was sort of faced with a sort of the least bad option for her to write a paper.
01:44:54 --> 01:44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just
01:44:56 --> 01:44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: for all Camille's intelligence and for all her coming.
01:44:59 --> 01:45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think these two episodes together are sort of illustrated to me that she might not be cut out to the new Benaut.
01:45:08 --> 01:45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
01:45:09 --> 01:45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do have to say in her defense.
01:45:11 --> 01:45:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people love to hate on her and I'm a Camille defender, but
01:45:14 --> 01:45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she's clearly, you know, she has the moral drive that she's motivated to save the silo and obviously her family and side of it.
01:45:23 --> 01:45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But I did also get the feeling at the end, or at least the way it was framed by the algorithm that there was something in Camille that wants to save Juliet's life as well.
01:45:32 --> 01:45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, I'd really rather not have to kill her.
01:45:35 --> 01:45:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:45:36 --> 01:45:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Because as far as we know, Camille was never killed anybody.
01:45:40 --> 01:45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Robert Sims has these killed several people that we know of.
01:45:46 --> 01:45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:45:46 --> 01:45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But Camille never has.
01:45:48 --> 01:45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Including his friend Maryn's in, you know, indirectly, but still.
01:45:51 --> 01:45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And directly, yeah.
01:45:53 --> 01:45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
01:45:55 --> 01:45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so that is the episode.
01:45:59 --> 01:46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Any final thoughts overall?
01:46:03 --> 01:46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just wondering.
01:46:05 --> 01:46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just wondering whether the, whether those barrels are going to suffer, like something that slows them dead, and that accident or a collapse of the, you know, we, we can step on the stairs or something that slows them down, because I'm not sure we've got, I think to, for everything to resolve in two days is about being about it, unless unless the episodes become like 24 and we're doing like, I'm out for a time.
01:46:33 --> 01:46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so yeah, that's going to be interesting.
01:46:36 --> 01:46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, some nice barrels, it'd be a shame if something's happening to them.
01:46:41 --> 01:46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I presume Helen and Daniel are going to team up woodwood and burn steam style.
01:46:50 --> 01:46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:46:50 --> 01:46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: To figure out what's going on, I'm kind of looking forward to that.
01:46:56 --> 01:47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, do you think anyone else would join them like Anna or I guess?
01:47:01 --> 01:47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe later on in the season, but I cannot for now, or maybe next season, but not for now.
01:47:10 --> 01:47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm really, really intrigued.
01:47:13 --> 01:47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's slightly sort of all could partnership is going to work after the enough that they're non, they're non-date.
01:47:22 --> 01:47:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just going to be interesting to see what if anything, what if anything, Charlotte remembers.
01:47:29 --> 01:47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And if she does remember something, does that put her in danger?
01:47:36 --> 01:47:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
01:47:36 --> 01:47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:37 --> 01:47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:37 --> 01:47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Good question.
01:47:39 --> 01:47:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you we seem to have a Sherlock's confirmation that they're still going strong.
01:47:44 --> 01:47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:47:45 --> 01:47:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:45 --> 01:47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what other couple are you rooting for now?
01:47:49 --> 01:47:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a, I have a feeling that Daniel and Helen despite the awkwardness of the non-date were probably not maybe the season, but maybe at the end of the show.
01:47:59 --> 01:48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm okay.
01:48:00 --> 01:48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well,
01:48:04 --> 01:48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we'd about in size of 18.
01:48:07 --> 01:48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, yeah, well, I mean, sorry.
01:48:11 --> 01:48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we want like the billings is too.
01:48:13 --> 01:48:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want the billings is.
01:48:16 --> 01:48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to see, I want to see what's going on between the, the, the sims as well.
01:48:20 --> 01:48:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we didn't get any of Robert this episode.
01:48:23 --> 01:48:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
01:48:24 --> 01:48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:48:25 --> 01:48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:48:27 --> 01:48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:48:28 --> 01:48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's see what happens next week.
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01:51:54 --> 01:52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And this week's topic is, as I said, going to be the book of Victor, or the story of Victor, however he put it, I haven't come up with a title yet.
01:52:06 --> 01:52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And Luke, where else can they find you?
01:52:09 --> 01:52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, mid-up on Blue Sky.
01:52:12 --> 01:52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my social media presence at the moment.
01:52:15 --> 01:52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I will pop into the discord, I promise.
01:52:19 --> 01:52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So my other podcast is a could be said that I do where the couple of friends we university will call me in Simon Ali.
01:52:29 --> 01:52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And this week, we were talking about Kirsta's departure.
01:52:33 --> 01:52:38 [SPEAKER_00]: imminent departure is UK Prime Minister and Andy Burnham's Equal imminent arrival.
01:52:38 --> 01:52:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking all things woke up.
01:52:41 --> 01:52:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was fun boying over Moby Dick because I am reading Moby Dick for the first time at the moment.
01:52:48 --> 01:52:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And really enjoying it.
01:52:50 --> 01:52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, cool.
01:52:52 --> 01:52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I've never read it.
01:52:55 --> 01:52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of there's classics.
01:52:56 --> 01:52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those ones of people.
01:52:57 --> 01:52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, people tell me it's slow.
01:52:59 --> 01:53:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, I, I'm just a lot of literature from that time, but often more like romantic with their capital R. It reminds me, it reminds me very much of Dickens.
01:53:09 --> 01:53:14 [SPEAKER_00]: and that it will go on like four-page questions.
01:53:14 --> 01:53:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like Dickens though.
01:53:15 --> 01:53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean obviously you and I discussed Dickens the Christmas stuff every year, but I do like his other stuff.
01:53:21 --> 01:53:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I like Jude the obscure was always a favorite for mine.
01:53:25 --> 01:53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay and yeah for for me you can also find me on the Laura Hound's feed where we are as I said currently doing weekly the vampire list at breakdowns there's also weekly house of the dragon breakdowns um I co-hosted the first two episodes but now David's back taking it over with Jean and Jean and I we are squeezing it into this hot Laura summer too hot to Laura but um we're both
01:53:52 --> 01:53:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Supergirl fans and we're gonna be talking about it soon and it's going to be fun and positive and bad to anyone
01:54:02 --> 01:54:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But definitely do check out the other podcast on the network including my own the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast plus we have a new affiliate in the network Dungeons and do rags and they are also covering house of the dragon on a weekly basis from a more like they think they call their themselves like a barber shop set up just like
01:54:23 --> 01:54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: usually for dudes chilling, talking about dragons, one and a half of them knows the lore and the others are like, wait, what's that guy again?
01:54:34 --> 01:54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun.
01:54:36 --> 01:54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need to catch up on the house of the dragon actually.
01:54:39 --> 01:54:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
01:54:40 --> 01:54:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, I watch the first episode, but I'm very watching the second and third yet.
01:54:45 --> 01:54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I liked it.
01:54:47 --> 01:54:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Personally, the first episode was, you know, big, majestic battle, obviously, but I personally like the second and third better, but I think that's like getting into like more of the character stuff and the politics, and you know.
01:55:00 --> 01:55:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And do also check out, of course, never mind the music, where psychology meets music, you can find a preview of their podcast
01:55:09 --> 01:55:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And stay tuned for more on a new podcast coming at the end of this month Cosmere Corner about Brandon Sanderson's books and soon to be movies and TV.
01:55:21 --> 01:55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke, do you have any final thoughts to throw out there before we go?
01:55:25 --> 01:55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think you've, you've, you've literally drive all my minds out.
01:55:30 --> 01:55:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I love when you position yourself as a cow.
01:55:36 --> 01:55:38 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, then we'll call today there.
01:55:38 --> 01:55:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next week and until then you'll find me hanging out with Lucas in the digger room waiting for everyone else to find us.