David and Anthony revel in an almost perfect season of television. The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is sublime.
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00:17 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey folks, David and I discussed the season finale of Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
00:25 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What a fantastic season of television.
00:28 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You can of course listen to the deep dive for this episode.
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Do a search for the lore hounds.
00:34 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Night of the Seven Kingdoms to find that.
00:36 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen, I will not be doing this in our feedback this week, but we will do a full wrap-up next week for another 7 Kingdoms.
00:45 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the week following that, we will begin our next season of film reviews, beginning with the running man.
00:52 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We're covering the Glen Powell remake, but we do spend quite a bit of time talking about the original Schwarzenegger joint as well.
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01:13 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Without further ado, here is David from the Lorentz.
01:16 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So, people say a man is made out of mud.
01:21 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: A bold man's made out of muscle and blood.
01:25 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Muscle and blood, and skin and bones.
01:28 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: A mine that's a weekend, a back that's strong, you know, 16.
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that song.
01:35 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it for a few reasons, but I most associate it with Joe versus Volcano.
01:39 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I was really quizzically scratching my head.
01:43 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: listening to that song and then I was like oh well it'd be fun to throw into the recording.
01:48 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:48 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was rushing down and you know jacking you know getting the audio and then as I'm listening to the lyrics I'm like oh it's dunk.
01:57 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh tell me tell me why you think that.
02:00 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's talking about um basically being completely down and out and out of luck and yeah.
02:08 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, uh, being sort of a man of the earth and just being strong man and Saint Peter don't call me home, you know, because I owe my soul to the company store and so it's it's dunk just sort of bound up in the earth.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: interesting.
02:26 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was wondering too.
02:28 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a very sort of early industrial mythology song.
02:33 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you work for this particular company owner.
02:37 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't really get paid.
02:38 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting paid in company dollars.
02:40 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can only buy goods at the company store.
02:43 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So basically you're almost enslaved to your boss.
02:49 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I get the sense that Dunk is freer than most.
02:53 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_02]: true.
02:54 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going back to the lyrics.
02:55 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I got the lyrics open in front of me now.
02:58 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people say, a man is made out of mud.
03:01 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_02]: A poor man's made out of muscle and blood, muscle and blood, skin and bone, a mind that's weak, but a bag that's strong to me that reads a dump.
03:12 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:14 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, he's he's strong and you can load him up and you know, he's just sort of now You know, yeah, no, he's not owned by the company necessarily, but he's not he's done with princes It's an interesting song because it's upbeat It makes you feel almost hopeful and yet the lyrics are just dark Orably that's maybe that's part of why they chose it.
03:40 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they open this episode with
03:43 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_01]: a soft jazz.
03:45 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't think that they care about the anachronism, you know, it's not there.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't watch about that.
03:52 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They're really about making the audience feel a particular way.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, it's a Mark of a Good Comedy.
04:00 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched episodes two through six, or sorry, five, so that then one six dropped, I was sort of writing to it.
04:12 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have enough time to get one fit in, so I watched the six.
04:17 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say, you know, I'm still processing this episode, and, but I know I had to process the last one before, I kind of got into it.
04:27 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of think this is a perfect season of television.
04:30 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of great, and aside from, you know, a couple little quibbles along the way,
04:37 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of perfect and, you know, it's not bloated, you know, because I was reading an article this week that George originally conceived of this as a two-hour movie, which you could totally see this as a two-hour movie, right?
04:54 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of is, which you add up, you know, it's a little bit more than that, but you could see it as a two-hour movie and tell you, they would have got less eyeballs for sure, sort of less, less of HBO owning, you know, six success of Sundays.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of glad it turned out the way it did, because
05:19 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: it almost didn't need seven episodes you know that there's a little part of me it feels like well why not flush out some of these other characters and make this an hour long every week.
05:30 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it would have been too much I think it would have kind of spoiled they would have been squeezing and squeezing to try to get more out of these characters and watching these episodes back.
05:41 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: some of the early episodes, the dialogue is so snappy.
05:46 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny.
05:48 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You get everything you need from all the character setups in this really nice, simple, compressed way.
05:56 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The editing tells so much story, the way that they do very modern style editing with little jump cut things,
06:07 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think if you I think they told it in the right number of episodes for the right length of time per episode and I even think the flashback actually has more impact on my second watch than it did on the first it's kind of curious to see because I know that last few episodes had a very very strong viewership.
06:27 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that this will be definitely rewarding on rewatch, you know, once kind of, I think people will find the show and they won't watch it along with us, but they will watch it in the next year or so.
06:41 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the numbers are better than House of the Dragon, like what will HBO do, because you've got this one show that costs literally a billion dollars every season.
06:56 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Less than a tenth that amount is doing better numbers in terms of your ship.
07:03 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes you wonder, like, how are they going to view these seasons going forward?
07:10 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to be putting this out ostensibly for the next few years every year.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
07:17 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is just so much.
07:18 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: This is absolute in terms of just the bottom line.
07:22 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This show is just going to be miles ahead of the other show.
07:27 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So the other show kind of has a show in life.
07:29 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, yeah, it's funny.
07:32 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It's light.
07:32 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's heartwarming.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You can just kind of pick it up, drop it in our own episode, and enjoy it.
07:37 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
07:38 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, whereas, you know, and we have the new trailer for House of the Dragon season three and it's, it's heavy in it.
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm hooked.
07:47 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch this property whenever it comes out.
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
07:51 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt about that, but you're totally right.
07:54 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is almost a perfect season of television.
07:56 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there anything in particular about this episode that most thrilled you or most perplexed you or something that you wanted to get off your chest?
08:07 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the question of moral character has been a play throughout this whole thing and I remember early on, after episode one, I sent you guys a voice mail, you and Steve and talking about, you know, what is a nice and, you know, are we going to examine that question?
08:25 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And at the center of the story, the whole way through has been this idea of moral character and Dunk asks Baylor the question, you know, don't all nights take the same move.
08:39 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, then we have this whole thing of, well, like, I'm done with, you know, princes, I'm just going to go off like cane, wander the roads,
08:50 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, hey, there's a place for you at Summer Hall, and I'll, we'll, you know, come finish your training, you know, you know, you'd never finished your training, Luke, you got to keep working on stuff.
09:02 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought all of that was just fascinating because I thought they were going to run them out of town.
09:08 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
09:08 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought he was going to have this black cloud hanging over his head and Steely Pete was going to have to smuggle him out and, you know, this kind of stuff.
09:17 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But no, in fact, he kind of acquitted himself and literally acquitted himself.
09:23 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
09:23 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and, uh, Ariane's getting kicked to the, you know, to the east.
09:28 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, oh, this is interesting.
09:31 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The way that they're unfolding, it did not occur at all.
09:35 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And what they kept doing was the, they kept unfolding this origami of this question of moral character.
09:43 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And what is it to be a knight and what is it to be an upstanding citizen?
09:47 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And what is it that it is to,
09:51 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: See your way through a difficult circumstance where a great man was, you know, killed on on sort of your behalf.
10:01 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, meanwhile, we, they tease the question of is he a knight or isn't he?
10:08 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You think that, you know, he's like, oh, this is it.
10:11 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to, he's not really a knight.
10:13 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So they leave this, and you know, this question ambiguous.
10:17 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And then what happens?
10:20 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: it runs off with him, you know, unbeknownst to his father.
10:23 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So all at the same time we were dealing with these questions of moral character and upstanding and upright.
10:34 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: there's this little lie that's embedded in the story.
10:38 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's good, you know, not only, you know, exactly.
10:41 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting bigger, right?
10:43 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:43 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's at the heart of the heart of the heart of a good man.
10:46 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's almost like you forgive it, but it's, you know, call me, sir.
10:55 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's like super, yeah.
11:00 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And then of course, egg lies, right?
11:03 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
11:04 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_02]: So now you have two liars, the lying liars you tell their lies, right?
11:08 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost, it's almost the perfect way to end it.
11:12 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we'll say this, and I, you know.
11:16 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: if you want to read the novella the go go enjoy it for sure there's a can it could could one safely read the first one of this without being spoiled by the rest for the rest of the series yeah this this and this the first novella ends exactly almost exactly where this season phalanx
11:40 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a tiny twist, there's a little difference in that maker isn't duped in the end.
11:51 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Maker knows that his son is going to be off in the hedges, which hasn't always kind of been the most head scratching part of the novella, because of course, I don't care who he is.
12:05 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if he's the fourth son of a fourth son.
12:08 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If that guy's in line to the throne, if he's a prince, you're not going to send him out with a hedge knight.
12:13 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just ridiculous that anyone would even think that that would be possible.
12:17 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the show runners made a better decision than George did.
12:21 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes more sense for Egg to just make that decision on his own and run away again, just like he did before.
12:29 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And lie, act lie again, yet again, to the dumb hedge night who is happy to agree with the lie.
12:41 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, and that question.
12:43 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it goes into the line that Baylor says in a previous episode, one need not intend to harm to do it.
12:53 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's one of the thesis statements of the show.
12:57 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: is that, you know, good men die, right, you know, a Ned dies, right, you know, and then when Dunk is holding rave and experiencing that trauma, and he's retraumatized by holding day lore, and I think that's where the flashback works really well is when he, when you pair that, that to trauma, and yet he is still
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: his kill upright him, right?
13:21 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_02]: His baseline is a positive and have happy disposition.
13:25 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He is open as early as you would say, right?
13:29 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a hopefulness in the face of everything else in this world, which wants to beat you down and disempower you and put you at the mercy of evil men.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was kind of
13:47 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: perplexed by the, can we call it attempted murder, attempted fractur side, fractur side.
13:56 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The septons say we should love our brother.
13:58 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he walks in with the knife and, yeah, officially, is, I mean, I guess it could have gotten a number of ways, but I mean, one way you could read it is, he was thwarted from an attempt on his brother's life.
14:14 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, these Targaryens, they start young and I thought it was one of the most tender scenes in the whole show when it's father when he leans against his father after he drops the knife.
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
14:28 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:28 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of surrenders into that parental interest.
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
14:31 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I was totally checked out and I was I was still kind of floored by the
14:36 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: the knife dropping to the floor and I was thinking of the implications for the character and I probably should rewatch it because I didn't know.
14:44 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:45 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Track that.
14:46 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really sweet he, you know, he has his hands on him on his shoulders and he does that thing where, you know, you physically surrender yourself and in the your gravity, like you're leaning into that person by just letting go and having total trust and somebody and make her does in this conversation with dunk says he's my last son.
15:14 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't, it's weird, it he doesn't say he's my youngest son.
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It almost, he's my last son.
15:22 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It almost feels like, I've lost these other ones.
15:26 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that I, I have hope that he actually can, like Darren's a drunk and Aryan's, morally, he's a monster, karate.
15:36 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and being sent off.
15:38 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Amen's is sort of good for nothing being sent to the Citadel to be a
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
15:45 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Who is the representative of the seven?
15:50 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The priest.
15:51 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: What that wasn't.
15:53 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The priest is no one we know.
15:55 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
15:55 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
15:57 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:58 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Him and Rowan, right?
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Lady Foxy.
16:00 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess that's another little trick that people are playing.
16:04 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: God bless Raymond Foxway.
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's such a, I mean, look, she's gonna make the main happy.
16:09 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, he, he's gonna be blissfully ignorant for the rest of his life.
16:16 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Just a great character and don't always has that kind of a place, right?
16:21 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_02]: There's ultimately a place for him there and it storms end.
16:24 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder about storms end.
16:26 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, oh, that was the other thing that I laughed really hard at when the Master says his wounds are beyond my care.
16:34 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's an easy task always.
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He's such a shit, Master.
16:39 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't believe many of these things.
16:41 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's got all the badges too, if he saw his chain, but it was quite or Nate.
16:48 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was a really great laugh moment.
16:51 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, little seeds of Roberts for Bellian, right?
16:55 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
16:56 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The only dragon is a good, is a dead dragon.
16:58 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
17:00 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:00 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you kind of see like, I don't know, these, these, uh,
17:07 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: which is a little odd because these breathians actually do have a tiny bit of dragon blood in their lineage.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, okay.
17:16 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but then it's it sheds a little light on Aryan's response to seeing the puppet play is they, you know, he kind of realized, you know, somewhere in his psyche, he realizes that, you know, they're sitting, they've got to keep a heavy
17:35 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, some feel that way for sure.
17:37 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think yeah, he feels that way anyway for sure Is there are there really nine kingdoms?
17:43 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, there's there's certainly nine territories and all this time.
17:48 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like What's like don't goes like Speaking of the seven I think we do have to confirm I believe it was Jessica's theory about the Dunk meeting the seven throughout the oh why
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think all of them are there.
18:04 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_02]: The crown who's the crown this this myth that the old woman who tells the fortune Yeah, she's not old She's all shrouded stuff.
18:15 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We have that woman's like 30 years old this myth still not buying this one
18:22 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_02]: The mother Rowan, right?
18:24 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You mean you can show me one gray hair for me to go back and I'll freeze frame and see if I can.
18:35 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I had one other question about Dunk and the books.
18:38 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Was there any indication in Dunk's character about him being good with animals?
18:42 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Or is that something that they colored on the show?
18:45 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he definitely is good with these horses.
18:49 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But like we see him in like a prison cell like petting a rat and not in the book.
18:55 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any rat petting in the book.
18:57 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
18:59 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But it it adds something if it regardless, I mean, I think it adds a lot to Dunk's character that they've developed this aspect of him.
19:08 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that he it's like everywhere he goes people are a little bit attracted to him.
19:14 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like everywhere he goes, he kind of stumbles into these interesting relationships.
19:20 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And with people who ought to be more interested in the dunk, right?
19:25 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no reason Raymond Fossawey should sort of hug him a little bit too long.
19:30 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to the point of awkwardness, but they certainly don't know each other well enough for that.
19:38 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's just something about dunk that draws people to him.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:43 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: People who ought to maybe be more assured in their selves.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, the laughing storm.
19:52 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need dunk around, you know?
19:57 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you like a brother, like, come on.
20:01 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and what we're going to go crowdsing and hunting and like dunk ultimate.
20:06 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, that's not there's just something about his character that makes people like feel like Oh, this I'm going to confide in this guy.
20:13 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to we're going to be best friends.
20:15 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, everywhere he goes people want to complete themselves with this big guy
20:22 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of believe it, it's an interesting little, you know, for someone who is kind of an incomplete person himself for a various men around the kingdom to want to use him to sort of, you know, go in an adventure with or talk about what it means to be, you know, a true knight or whatever.
20:43 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets into interesting these interesting philosophical relationships.
20:48 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he's very well cast for that, I would say.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just going to say Peter Claffrey is perfect.
20:56 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_02]: His facial expressions, his line deliveries, his sense of timing.
20:59 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it all really worked.
21:03 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Finn Bennett was great dexter sole.
21:06 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I read Birdie Carville, who played Bart Baylor.
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know him.
21:11 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Neither did I, never seen him anything else.
21:14 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: He was phenomenal.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He was perfect.
21:16 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: phenomenal.
21:17 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a little bit, he was a little bit dull at the beginning, but he definitely rose to the occasion.
21:23 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Go back and when you do a second watch, it's just spot on.
21:27 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So Sam Spurl, all everybody was wonderful.
21:31 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a great series.
21:33 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the finale, I mean, you could say that the finale was somewhat of anti-climax.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It was sort of like, tying a bow on this story.
21:43 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I was in through all the entire time.
21:47 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I was how I was done, because I, you know, have an assumption that Duncan Egg are going to go on the road.
21:53 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I'm weighed in, like, how are they going to set this up?
21:56 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And then every time, hey, come with me or come complete your training or do other stuff, I'm like, wait, they kept subverting my expectations and going in these different, I'm like, oh, this is so good.
22:10 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: This is so interesting, you know?
22:13 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So tell us about what's going on with the Laura Hound's post- Duncan Egg.
22:20 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What can people look forward to in the world of the Laura Hounds?
22:24 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We have upgraded our coverage of the pit to full coverage now.
22:29 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: We were kind of just doing shorter ride checks, but now we're
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We're leaning into the show as John predicted.
22:38 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_02]: We're we can't help ourselves sometimes.
22:41 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that Alicia and Jean are going to be doing some sporadic coverage of the new Daredevil season that's coming up.
22:51 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously we have Alicia is doing her ongoing Oscars coverage right now.
22:55 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: She's just put out a big episode on the on a BAFTA awards and of course Midweek there will be a deep dive on this very episode indeed there will do a search for Laura Hounds as some kingdoms if you haven't already done that Stephen I will not be meeting again this week to take listen or feedback.
23:17 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: However, we will do a wrap-up pod
23:20 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: on net of seven kingdoms next week.
23:23 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So of course you can send to the small council or just small council at thelorions.com or cocoons of horror at gmail.com.
23:32 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The following week we will begin on our next movie review season beginning with the remake of the running man.
23:41 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that one's never heard of it until this point.
23:46 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, but it looks interesting, so.
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, okay.
23:50 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: David, thank you for doing this collaboration with us.
23:53 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been fun, and I really hope that the second season for Dunkin' Egg is as good as this one.
24:04 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of stuff.
24:06 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We need a lot more full frontal immunity from this one, sorry.
25:18 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I owe my soul to the company's stove.
25:25 --> 25:27 [UNKNOWN]: And a cocoon of horror.