Fallout - Episodes 7 & 8 Review

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[00:01:38] Hello and welcome to the Radioactive Ramblings podcast, a show where we are going to be covering Fallout on Amazon Prime Video. I'm one of your co-hosts, Aaron.

[00:01:54] And I'm your other co-host, Chase. Today we're covering episodes 7 and 8 of Fallout. We're going to start with a spoiler free section with our general thoughts and impressions of the season so far before we get into scene by scene breakdowns of the episodes.

[00:02:10] Alright, let's get right into it with our spoiler free thoughts. Chase, what did you think of these two episodes?

[00:02:16] Well, first of all, these two episodes are the final episodes of the season. So I think it's fair to say this season was amazing. I really, really enjoyed this show and I think that it might be in my top three shows for this year, honestly.

[00:02:36] I really greatly enjoyed it. I didn't think there was a single second that was boring in all honesty. I thought it was really interesting the whole time. I think that nothing was lazily done, you know?

[00:02:48] All of the CGI looks pretty good. There were points where it was a little iffy but nothing bad for sure. All of the writing was great, I feel like, and all of the acting and characters were really good.

[00:03:03] One thing I want to say is I think I've been seeing kind of hate for Maximus' actor online and I think it's just people hating on him for playing the character correctly, honestly.

[00:03:18] I think he played Maximus perfectly and I think that people are just hating on him because they don't like Maximus' character.

[00:03:27] Yeah, you know, we saw that with Star Wars where the actor who played Jar Jar Binks was getting death threats. We saw it with Game of Thrones where the actor who played Joffrey was getting hate mail for it.

[00:03:38] I think we need to end this whole thing of hating on actors who are playing their characters perfectly because yeah, Maximus, he's a hateable character on purpose.

[00:03:46] I don't think that we're supposed to sympathize with him very much until maybe the very end of the series but I thought the actor did a fantastic job portraying him exactly how the writers intended him to be.

[00:03:56] Yeah, and back to our spoiler-free review of these episodes. I think that these two episodes really tied everything together, you know, set everything up for a second season for sure.

[00:04:09] Answered a lot of questions that we had and kind of proved some of our theories right, I would say.

[00:04:16] Yeah, if you've listened to the past few episodes where we've covered episodes one through six, we had a lot of theories and some of them came true so we scored some internet points here I think.

[00:04:26] Yeah for sure.

[00:04:27] Another thing about this season, it's very much like you said they're setting up for a season two without a doubt whether or not Amazon renews it.

[00:04:35] I don't see them dropping this show. It's been a pretty big success for them. I think that they're going to renew it without a doubt.

[00:04:41] The final episode is titled The Beginning and I think that's a really appropriate name. These final two episodes really do feel like the very beginning of a saga that's going to continue for at least a few more seasons

[00:04:53] and I see it being one of the better shows that's going to come out and that people are going to have to look forward to.

[00:04:59] In these final two episodes, another thing that was really impressive was the amount of Easter eggs that they fit in from the games.

[00:05:07] These final two episodes were just chock full of costumes and locations and pieces of information that if you've played the games, you are going to be super excited about if you've played, especially New Vegas or some of the older fallout games.

[00:05:23] It's really going to shine through as something that this episode was for you or these two episodes rather were for you if you've played the games.

[00:05:32] And if you haven't played the games like Chase, I am assuming that you had a pretty good experience with these last two episodes and thought it was a good wrap up even if you didn't pick up on all the Easter eggs, right?

[00:05:43] Yeah, I picked up on one Easter egg at the beginning of episode seven just because it was pretty obvious. Other than that, I didn't pick up on anything else but I still greatly enjoyed the two episodes and the entire show as a whole.

[00:05:56] That's about all I have for my spoiler free thoughts. Chase, do you have anything else?

[00:06:00] That's about it.

[00:06:30] So heads up if we spoil anything from the games. So if you haven't played and you're just listening along with us, don't worry too much about it. We'll let you know.

[00:06:37] Alright, without further ado, let's get into episode seven, the radio.

[00:07:00] I wanted to talk about that a little bit. I've got a note down here. So the armor that you're seeing them wearing, that is NCR Ranger armor and the NCR Rangers were the most elite of the elite in the NCR forces.

[00:07:22] They were originally not a part of the NCR, but in a treaty between the Rangers of Nevada and the New California Republic, the Rangers of Nevada joined the NCR and became the NCR Rangers.

[00:07:35] And this was known as the Ranger Reunification Treaty in Fallout, New Vegas. They have a big statue made of scrap metal at the border between Nevada and California and it depicts these an NCR soldier and a ranger shaking hands

[00:07:49] and it's got a whole plaque to memorialize the event. So seeing this armor was a really big Easter egg to the New Vegas game and the NCR Rangers. It's definitely one of the most iconic pieces of armor aside from power armor in the Fallout universe.

[00:08:02] And continuing with this scene, these two individuals who are scavenging from metal take the metal that they found back to where they're living and throw it in basically like a metal recycling unit that melts down all of the metal for them to use for some sort of, I don't know, for something.

[00:08:22] They don't get into what they're using it for.

[00:08:25] The ghoul made a very small comment saying that they were lead farmers, so I wonder if they're maybe producing bullets or selling lead to some other faction to produce bullets.

[00:08:35] Yeah, that's kind of what I thought because when they were scavenging one of them like grab found like a handful of bullets in the sand.

[00:08:44] But yeah, that's probably what it's being used for. They walk back into their home and the ghoul is there. It turns out that the duo is a father son duo. The ghoul is eating their dinner before them.

[00:09:01] And the father and son seem to be very worried that he has killed one of their family members, but it turns out he just made their, or the father's daughter make dinner for him.

[00:09:14] Very merciful of the ghoul out of what we've seen out of him so far. I think he probably has a soft spot for children, you know? Yeah, he had a kid of his own.

[00:09:25] Yeah, having had a daughter himself, he definitely has got a little bit of a soft spot there. I think just in general.

[00:09:30] I mean we see he has a soft spot for dogs, so he probably has a soft spot for kids too.

[00:09:37] Hope that he has a soft spot for kids and dogs. Not so much for adults, but at least for the innocent people and animals that are roaming around.

[00:09:47] Yeah, and in this scene the ghoul gives us a little bit, just a teensy-weensy bit of lore on the NCR Moldaver and the man's other son.

[00:10:01] Not the son that is presently there, but the other son that is not there and how he's working for Moldaver.

[00:10:07] And basically he purposely aggravates the son who's there as much as possible so he can quick draw, kill him and leaves.

[00:10:18] Yeah, I'm not sure if did he kill him or did he just shoot him in the shoulder and incapacitate him?

[00:10:23] Because I think he might have spared the son for-

[00:10:25] I thought he shot him in the chest.

[00:10:27] Ooh, maybe.

[00:10:28] I don't remember though, fully. I'm not gonna lie. I mean I could check right now. Let's check right now.

[00:10:33] Okay.

[00:10:34] It was episode seven, right?

[00:10:35] Yeah, character's name was Tommy.

[00:10:37] Let's see, fucker.

[00:10:39] Ummm...

[00:10:41] I can't tell if he shot him in like his left nipple or his forearm, or not his forearm but his bicep.

[00:10:48] Yeah, I mean either way I don't know that we're probably not gonna see him again anyways so it won't probably won't matter.

[00:10:54] I just feel like you would make more sense for him to kill him because this whole thing was-

[00:10:58] Is he gonna shoot me later? Is he gonna hunt me down? Like, I don't know.

[00:11:02] That's true. We also got some little hints about the father who I'm assuming used to be an NCR Ranger, right?

[00:11:08] I mean yeah it only makes sense right? Because he has the armor.

[00:11:11] Yeah, he must have come into contact with the ghoul before and shot him because the ghoul makes a little comment about how he's got some of this guy's lead inside of him still so...

[00:11:20] Tommy just immediately spilled the beans on where Moldaver is. He didn't put up too much of a fight, to be honest.

[00:11:26] To be fair his whole family was being held captive before his eyes basically.

[00:11:32] Yeah that is very true, especially his little sister I'm sure that if it had just been him and his dad maybe but the little sister probably changed things quite a lot.

[00:11:41] Yeah, after the ghoul shoots Tommy and walks out we cut to Cooper is at the meeting in a funeral home in a-

[00:11:53] Where usually a service would be given but Moldaver is talking and basically he doesn't like the rhetoric being said so he tries to walk out

[00:12:06] and Moldaver's like wait, starts flaming him and gives him a listening device to bug his wife's pit boy with and he takes it.

[00:12:16] Yeah I think that there's a few really good lines here. One of them is when they are talking about Cooper being essentially a Vault-Tex sellout which he is.

[00:12:26] He says that in capitalism everybody's got a sponsor and his just happens to be Vault-Tex you know he tries to put up a little bit of a moral defense for himself

[00:12:35] but you can tell that he's distrustful a little bit. He knows there's some shady stuff going on with Vault-Tex even though he doesn't want to admit it to himself.

[00:12:43] I feel like there couldn't be anything right about a company that's that powerful you know.

[00:12:50] Yeah everyone keeps dropping the line of selling the end of the world and yeah I don't know how you can't trust a company that's quite literally dependent on the world ending.

[00:13:01] Yeah and after this scene we went to captured Lucy in like a cell in Vault 4 where she's shown a video of the original Vault 4 overseer basically being just a psycho and everything falling to ruin

[00:13:18] and she learns the real lore behind Vault 4 and that these people aren't actually bad which was honestly super surprising to me.

[00:13:28] I thought this was going to be like a whole different thing last a while longer in all honesty.

[00:13:36] I thought there were going to be much more nefarious people it's just that the Vault 4 overseer is actually just a xenophob and that's it.

[00:13:44] Yeah and this also gives us a look into or maybe not so much a look but a clue into the fact that Moldaver is quite possibly not as evil as we thought.

[00:13:56] We saw that a little bit with the flashback with Cooper how she's questioning Vault-Tex and is anti Vault-Tex possibly just trying to fight against this company that is doing some shady shit.

[00:14:09] If the citizens of Vault 4 are revering Moldaver then maybe Moldaver isn't so bad if they're not so bad.

[00:14:16] True I didn't even think about it at the time.

[00:14:19] The line about the axolotl creature being his great uncle Steven or something like that about being the overseer's great uncle is hilarious.

[00:14:28] That was pretty funny.

[00:14:30] So Lucy basically in cuffs gets dragged by Maximus's room and Maximus sees and he finally decides to take action.

[00:14:39] He puts the popcorn down but then it cuts away to Thaddeus where he's limping to the trunk of a car to finally get some rest and he pulls his sock off and you see the most disgusting foot on the planet.

[00:14:55] Bro, that should make me gag.

[00:14:57] He's hanging by a thread. That shit was disgusting. The dog licks his foot. It was just yuck.

[00:15:05] But then he's just the worst person animal abuse chef's dog in Nuka-Cola bin.

[00:15:11] If you didn't hate Thaddeus before I fucking hated him after this.

[00:15:15] Knockin' all I did not hate Thaddeus before I felt like he wasn't a great guy but he wasn't as bad as Maximus.

[00:15:22] The only thing it takes in a show for me to absolutely despise a character.

[00:15:26] Animal abuse.

[00:15:27] Yeah, animal or child abuse and that's like okay now fuck you you're done.

[00:15:32] Yeah, they cut back to Vault 4 where basically a fake execution of Lucy is happening.

[00:15:41] It's set up to look like they're gonna fucking chop her head off and then they cut her cuffs open and give her supplies.

[00:15:49] Two weeks worth of supplies for the wasteland because they think the wasteland is so brutal that she's instantly gonna die.

[00:15:56] Which honestly, the facts though, if you're not goaded like Lucy, you probably die instantly in the wasteland.

[00:16:03] But yeah, they gave her two weeks of supplies.

[00:16:05] Maximus had already stolen the fusion core.

[00:16:12] Put it in his power armor and goes to town on these vault dwellers beating this shit out of a ton of them.

[00:16:19] Clipping tables, breakin' shit and then Lucy has to inform him that it like oh shit this is not actually bad and these people are quite nice and we could just leave.

[00:16:30] So we'll leave and Maximus through his own moral guanjri with Lucy decides to give back the fusion core and abandon his power armor.

[00:16:41] Yeah, and then Lucy makes a comment about how if her father found out that a community was harmed for his benefit, he just would never be okay with that.

[00:16:50] Which is quite ironic by the end of these two episodes.

[00:16:55] You know at least Maximus made the right decision here.

[00:16:58] He's starting to maybe-

[00:17:00] Yeah, he's getting a little bit of brownie points for that.

[00:17:03] Yeah, I think Lucy has been a good influence on him. His morals are starting to strengthen a little bit.

[00:17:10] He's learning how to do the right thing.

[00:17:12] And then we cut back to Thaddeus and he's in the wasteland limping towards a man for help, the guy who was fucking chickens earlier in the series.

[00:17:24] Basically the man claims he's a doctor and that he can help Thaddeus.

[00:17:28] Thaddeus accepts his help and his foot is healed but it's with the item that the ghoul uses to use his vials.

[00:17:39] And suspiciously the doctor basically books it out of there as soon as he gives Thaddeus the medicine.

[00:17:48] So I feel like when I was watching this, I felt like something kind of ghoul involved was going to happen which we learn does happen.

[00:17:57] Yeah and the doctor also makes a comment about after Thaddeus says Shady Sans is super irradiated, I don't want to go near there.

[00:18:05] The doctor's like don't worry about it. The radiation should be fine for you now buddy boy.

[00:18:10] You know who this fucking quote unquote doctor looks like to me?

[00:18:15] You?

[00:18:16] No.

[00:18:18] He looks like fucking Shmigel from the third Lord of the Rings movie The Flashback.

[00:18:25] Oh my god.

[00:18:27] I think Shmigel didn't look as dirty though.

[00:18:30] And as far as we know, Shmigel isn't out here fucking chickens.

[00:18:34] I mean I don't know maybe.

[00:18:36] I feel like Ghoul might have gotten down with some chickens, TBH.

[00:18:40] Alright in our next scene in episode 7, we see Norm putting something in the prisoner's food.

[00:18:48] And then shortly after they're all dead so it's safe to assume Norm poisoned all the prisoners in Vault 33.

[00:18:58] Yeah without a doubt and Stephanie kind of goaded him into it right?

[00:19:03] She was like oh your father would have done the right thing and gotten rid of those prisoners.

[00:19:08] She was like I agreed with what you said and your father would have done the right thing.

[00:19:13] Like she basically made him do it TBH.

[00:19:16] I mean he was gonna do it anyways if we're being honest.

[00:19:20] Betty doesn't outright accuse him of killing them but...

[00:19:24] I mean they literally arrest the other person so...

[00:19:28] No yeah, she doesn't accuse him of having done the poisoning himself.

[00:19:32] I don't think that Betty thinks Norm is capable of that.

[00:19:34] She accuses him of influencing it though.

[00:19:37] Yes, she accuses him of being responsible for it and it goes back to that whole point

[00:19:44] she makes a few episodes ago about how Norm's voice carries power in the Vault.

[00:19:48] So even though he might not have the willpower to do it himself

[00:19:52] which she misjudges him on that but even if he doesn't

[00:19:55] she thinks that he had something to do with the fact that it happened.

[00:19:59] Yep alright and then the Vault selection.

[00:20:03] We see every person in Vault 33 get their assignments

[00:20:06] whether they're gonna stay in Vault 33 or move to Vault 32

[00:20:10] and we see the people that are happy and unhappy about their selection.

[00:20:15] Woody who was the guy who lost for overseer

[00:20:18] who was like the tertiary candidate I don't think he ever had a real chance of winning.

[00:20:23] Obviously Reg didn't have a real chance of winning either but I think Woody even less so.

[00:20:27] You see him really distraught about the fact that he's been assigned to 32.

[00:20:33] You all trust to...

[00:20:34] Go ahead.

[00:20:35] Oh wait, never mind this later in the episode.

[00:20:37] I was gonna say...

[00:20:38] Yeah, ruined your train of thought idiot.

[00:20:41] Fuck what was I gonna say?

[00:20:43] Nothing.

[00:20:44] That's not important let's move on.

[00:20:45] Does he never have anything useful to say?

[00:20:48] That's true I only yap-yap-yap about fucking nothing

[00:20:52] like the Charlie Brown parent.

[00:20:54] Yep like an animal crossing character.

[00:20:57] Alright the next scene is the ghoul rolling up to the gas station

[00:21:05] where Thaddeus first took off his sock and saw his disgusting foot

[00:21:10] and he finds the dog and frees him.

[00:21:13] Thank God.

[00:21:14] Then we cut back to Cooper who throws away the listening device

[00:21:18] and then later digs it back out of his garbage.

[00:21:23] Yeah he really tried to kind of trust his wife there for a minute

[00:21:27] and then he was like, ah some shady shit's going down

[00:21:30] maybe I need to actually listen in.

[00:21:32] Cooper is right to be suspicious so he digs the listening device out

[00:21:37] and decides to do the morally questionable thing and spy on his wife.

[00:21:41] And then it quickly cuts back to a short scene of the ghoul petting

[00:21:47] the dog in the wasteland in resemblance to Cooper

[00:21:51] getting his dog back when he was a human.

[00:21:54] Yeah and this is the first time we see the ghoul

[00:21:58] call the dog dog meat right?

[00:22:00] Yes I believe so.

[00:22:02] If you listen to our I think episodes 1 through 3 review

[00:22:05] I had mentioned that that was almost definitely going to be the dog's name

[00:22:09] because it keeps in line with the fallout tradition of the main character's dog being named dog meat

[00:22:14] I'm glad they decided to stay with that.

[00:22:16] The main is Lucy and Maximus following her Pip Boys tracker

[00:22:22] towards the head that Thaddeus has taken to a radio tower

[00:22:26] surrounded by human killing traps

[00:22:31] and when they get there they confront Thaddeus

[00:22:34] and Thaddeus is backed into a corner and gets shot in the neck

[00:22:38] by a crossbow trap

[00:22:42] and this is where they find out he's a ghoul

[00:22:45] because he just pulls the arrow out of his neck and it instantly heals

[00:22:50] So Maximus decides to take the heat for Thaddeus and Lucy

[00:22:54] because Thaddeus called in the brotherhood to save him

[00:22:57] but now that he's a ghoul they know he's just going to get executed

[00:23:00] so Maximus takes a fake head and gets ready for the brotherhood to collect him

[00:23:05] while Lucy runs off with the real head and Thaddeus just runs off in general

[00:23:10] Maximus share a kiss before they depart from one another

[00:23:13] Also I've mentioned that there were going to be a lot of game connections in this episode

[00:23:18] The whole fiddle music thing is a big fallout for reference

[00:23:22] The Minutemen which is a faction that the player character leads in fallout 4

[00:23:27] Eventually you retake this pre-war revolutionary war fort called the castle

[00:23:33] and you set up this radio tower that just transmits that song on loop all day

[00:23:39] and it's called like freedom radio or Minutemen radio something like that

[00:23:43] So the whole joke about people not being able to respect the fiddle music

[00:23:47] is a joke about how the players of fallout 4 thought that that radio station was so fucking annoying

[00:23:53] Yeah it's pretty funny

[00:23:54] So that was fun. Also it was the guy from Portlandia

[00:23:57] Yeah

[00:23:58] The fun camea

[00:23:59] Alright and then we head into the last scene of episode 7

[00:24:03] where we see the vault 33 people who are assigned to vault 32

[00:24:09] moving into vault 32

[00:24:11] where we see Woody does not want to move into 32

[00:24:15] but the two guards force him to stay for the moving

[00:24:20] and we see this is a little power move by Betty

[00:24:24] you know little hostile

[00:24:25] she seems like she might be getting rid of her competition in the vault

[00:24:30] while also securing a vault 31 dweller to live in vault 32

[00:24:36] so I think we know who their overseer is going to be and that's going to be Stephanie

[00:24:40] Yeah, Stephanie I know that she's probably involved with all this shady vault 31 shit

[00:24:45] but you got to admit with the eyepatch and everything she looked pretty badass

[00:24:48] being assigned to overseer

[00:24:50] Oh of course

[00:24:51] What I want to know is where the fuck were these armed guards when the goddamn vault was being torn apart by Moldaver and the Raiders

[00:24:58] Yeah I don't fucking know man

[00:25:01] Did Betty just create this paramilitary task force in the wake of vault 33's raid

[00:25:06] or were they just not on duty that day

[00:25:09] I mean to be fair you probably don't expect to need to have guards at all wedding

[00:25:14] No, but you also don't expect to need guards when people are moving to a different area

[00:25:21] I mean maybe though because I mean

[00:25:23] I feel like Woody's reaction is not something that's unpredictable

[00:25:27] you know like people might not want to have to move into move in general

[00:25:31] even they had no choice and they just got fucking selected

[00:25:35] You know?

[00:25:36] That's true

[00:25:37] I mean it's entirely possible though

[00:25:39] that she just made that shit though

[00:25:41] it might be just a hostile takeover at this point

[00:25:44] Yeah it doesn't seem like she's above using those kinds of tactics to keep control

[00:25:49] The other thing that I was wondering about the whole vault situation

[00:25:53] now that they don't have the added population of the dwellers who are living

[00:25:57] or who would have been living in the vaults that were former raiders

[00:26:01] do they have enough people to sustain both vaults?

[00:26:04] I mean they have enough people to sustain their own vault right

[00:26:07] so they should be able to just like sustain themselves right

[00:26:11] True, my assumption was that the only reason they were going to be able to do this whole 32 repopulation program

[00:26:18] was because they had some additional manpower that they could integrate into vault society

[00:26:23] and without that it seems like both vaults are going to be kind of sparse

[00:26:27] Yeah maybe I don't know, they also do need a water chip don't they?

[00:26:31] Like didn't their fucking water chip break?

[00:26:33] It did

[00:26:34] What happened to that?

[00:26:36] I'm wondering if both vaults have their water chips broken or if it's just 33

[00:26:41] I mean it should just be 33 right?

[00:26:44] Yeah so maybe they're going to have some kind of trade program where 32 supplies the water

[00:26:49] and 33 helps out with some other stuff

[00:26:53] Seems like a good solution in the meantime

[00:26:56] And then we also see Norm kind of lurks away from the send off

[00:27:03] gets into Betty's office and tricks the overseer in 31 to think he's Betty

[00:27:10] and gets into 31 and right before the cutoff end screen

[00:27:15] he sees something that confuses him and worries him

[00:27:19] Yeah he's got that look of shock on his face before it cuts to black

[00:27:23] So he's going to find out the truth about Vault 31

[00:27:28] Old Norman over here doing some detective work once again

[00:27:32] Alright do you have any thoughts or notes on episode 7 before we move on?

[00:27:37] Just that I enjoyed it

[00:27:39] I'm with you on that one I think it was a good episode to set up everything that's going to be happening in episode 8

[00:27:45] They did a good job with this one

[00:27:47] Really building the mystery, answering a couple of questions and showing us that we're about to get some answers to our big big questions

[00:27:54] like about what's fucking going on in these vaults

[00:27:57] what's going on outside

[00:27:59] and resolves a few things about Thaddeus and Maximus

[00:28:03] gives kind of Maximus an out to return to the brotherhood as well

[00:28:06] Before we move on to episode 8 let's take a quick break

[00:28:36] See you there

[00:28:40] Before we move on to episode 8 let's take a quick break

[00:28:43] Is that what I sound like?

[00:28:45] Yep

[00:28:46] And we're back, let's get right into episode 8, the beginning

[00:28:50] We open on Maximus being taken back to the brotherhood where they've taken over the town of Philly by force

[00:28:57] We learn the truth about Dane's foot injury

[00:29:00] Dane admits that in an attempt to not go out into the wasteland they put the razors in their own boot

[00:29:06] so that they wouldn't have to be called to duty and serve as a squire for the brotherhood

[00:29:11] and serve with Knight Thaddeus

[00:29:13] This comes after the leader of this chapter of the brotherhood Elder Cleric Quintus

[00:29:17] accuses Maximus of basically what he's done, not going to lie

[00:29:21] accuses him of having the soldiers around him come to greatness fortune

[00:29:26] just not an unfair assessment of the situation

[00:29:29] Chase, what did you think about Dane's confession that it was actually them who put the razors in their own boot and not Maximus?

[00:29:36] This was pretty surprising to me

[00:29:38] When they said it I didn't think it was that crazy but at the same time I was like, damn really Maximus didn't do it?

[00:29:45] No, yeah, I was so convinced that it was Maximus that just any other theory was not coming to mind for me

[00:29:54] I couldn't believe that it was anything other than that

[00:29:57] I really didn't expect it to be Dane

[00:30:00] That kind of redeems Maximus a little bit for me

[00:30:02] Just a teensy-weensy bit

[00:30:04] Yeah, the show is trying to show us a little bit more every single episode for the past few that Maximus isn't as bad of a guy as we might have made him out to be in the beginning

[00:30:14] He's still got a long way to go before I would consider him a hero of any sort but he's making progress

[00:30:20] Yeah, for sure

[00:30:21] Alright, then we move on to Lucy being taken to the Observatory where she finds out that it's an NCR stronghold

[00:30:28] And this NCR stronghold has a little thriving community inside

[00:30:32] She also has some flashbacks to when she was a kid

[00:30:35] She sees her mother and herself in this field that looks really similar to the settlement and farm that's in the Observatory

[00:30:42] Yeah, I'm not gonna lie as soon as I saw the cornfields in the NCR with Muldaver knowing who her mom was

[00:30:49] I like instantly was like, oh shit

[00:30:52] Lucy was definitely here with her mother at one point

[00:30:55] Yeah, and in the episode where Lucy talks about her memories of childhood with her mother

[00:31:00] She mentions that

[00:31:02] Feeling the sun on her skin, yeah

[00:31:04] The sun felt real and she was like, oh it was just my mother made it feel real to me

[00:31:10] Which was a nice sentiment but we find out that it wasn't just her mom that made it real

[00:31:14] It was actually fucking real

[00:31:16] Yeah, it was just actually the damn sun

[00:31:19] Yep

[00:31:20] The ghoul follows the dog through the wasteland and tries to track down Will's zig's head

[00:31:26] We then cut to Cooper taking his wife to work and he bugged her Pip-Boy

[00:31:31] He puts the listening device into his ear and hears her conversation but it goes to static and kinda cuts out

[00:31:37] Lucy walks into the NCR base and she finds Muldaver having a feast with her dad who's locked up in a cage

[00:31:44] Like a bird cage basically

[00:31:47] A fucking bird cage in the middle of this room and across from Muldaver at this feast

[00:31:52] There's a ghoul strapped, a feral ghoul missing an arm strapped to a chair

[00:31:57] Okay, I'm not gonna lie

[00:31:59] We learned this later in the episode but as soon as I saw this ghoul strapped to the chair

[00:32:04] I just knew it was Lucy's mom

[00:32:06] Like I don't know what it was but I just immediately was like there's no way

[00:32:10] There's no other reason for a ghoul to be strapped to that chair

[00:32:14] Yeah, I was waiting for some weird like oh we need a ghoul blood to start up the artifact or I don't know

[00:32:21] I just didn't clock that it could have been the mother

[00:32:23] I should have gotten that a little bit sooner but it just didn't occur to me

[00:32:27] Yeah, I think it was just the combo of me thinking about Lucy's mom basically just being with her on the surface in that corn field

[00:32:36] And then the next scene with Lucy she sees her dad Muldaver and a female ghoul at the table

[00:32:43] I was like there's no way that's not her mom

[00:32:46] I did look at the credits because you know how Amazon has the actors and who they're playing on the side when you scroll around

[00:32:53] When I opened it up before they even revealed who the ghoul was, the actor was credited as Ghoul Rose McClain

[00:33:01] Amazon did ruin the surprise on that one a little bit for me but that's alright

[00:33:06] Moving on we see Norm meeting with the overseer of 31 who is Bud Askins from the pre-war times

[00:33:15] Not quite looking how we expected Bud would look after all this time

[00:33:19] He's a brain in a jar and Bud is credited as Brain on a Roomba

[00:33:24] That's quite literally the character's name when he shows up like that

[00:33:28] So this is like a known quantity in the Fallout universe

[00:33:32] These robots where the brains are inside of little jars on top

[00:33:35] These are called robo brains, pretty self-explanatory name there

[00:33:39] But they're known especially for even though they have a human brain inside them

[00:33:44] They've got super flawed robot logic like wanting to wipe out humans so that they can save humanity

[00:33:51] Because they think humanity is the problem

[00:33:53] Just all these weird paradoxical thought structures and that kind of lines up with what Bud's plan is here

[00:34:00] Isn't one of the main bad guys in one of the Fallout games, the brain in a jar guy?

[00:34:05] I think that you're thinking of the master from Fallout 1 right?

[00:34:09] Where he's in the computer

[00:34:10] So he's not a robo brain, he's a mutant where he fell into a vat of sort of mutative goop

[00:34:17] Called the forced evolutionary virus

[00:34:19] And he had to like crawl his way out of the vat as this slop of human goop

[00:34:25] Like this sort of unmolded slop of human goop

[00:34:29] And he wraps himself around a computer and integrates himself with a supercomputer

[00:34:34] And starts adding it to his massive flesh and gets their personalities

[00:34:38] The master is a fucking creepy villain, but he's a cool one

[00:34:42] So not a robo brain, but kind of the same concept of human and machine being fused together

[00:34:47] Now we move on to Cooper waiting in his wife's office listening in on her meeting

[00:34:53] And we get this little tidbit about someone named Henry who is his wife's assistant wanting to meet him

[00:35:00] So he sits down in the waiting room and this fella Henry gets called in to meet him

[00:35:05] Well, also the person who tells us about Henry is Betty

[00:35:09] I didn't catch that

[00:35:11] Yeah, young Betty Pearson

[00:35:15] Young Betty Pearson? Damn!

[00:35:18] We see young Hank meeting Cooper and we finally get the answer to the question of why the ghoul seemed to know Hank

[00:35:25] Yeah

[00:35:26] Yeah, we finally get that answer

[00:35:28] I kind of figured that there was something like this, but I didn't think that it would be all these characters are going to be from the pre-war times, did you?

[00:35:37] No, I didn't expect any other characters really besides Cooper slash the ghoul to be from pre-war times

[00:35:45] Between all of the buds buds and we see Moldaver has somehow made it through, the ghoul has made it through

[00:35:53] A lot of people who were kind of in this Vault-Tec circle in the pre-war times, they've made it through one way or another into the apocalypse

[00:36:02] It's kind of impressive actually

[00:36:04] We cut back to Lucy realizing the truth about her father as we get the reveal that her father is from the pre-war times

[00:36:12] Moldaver starts to tell her all of the dirty little secrets and explain the whole process of cold fusion

[00:36:18] And the fact that she needs a Vault-Tec employee in order to make it happen

[00:36:23] She explains that cold fusion will provide unlimited energy, clean water to the wasteland

[00:36:28] And that Vault-Tec had made it a priority to keep this tech buried

[00:36:32] And because it would kind of fuck with them bringing about the end of the world, right? Unlimited power and energy sort of

[00:36:38] I mean yeah, once you produce unlimited power and energy there's no conflict, everyone has what they need

[00:36:46] I don't think that we had talked about this but the war that was happening between China and America that people assumed was the cause of the end of the world

[00:36:54] Assuming it's a oil war

[00:36:56] It was a war over oil and uranium, yeah

[00:36:59] Makes sense, Alaska oil

[00:37:01] All the oil in the world started to run out and then everyone sort of switched to nuclear

[00:37:07] And then the fucking uranium and plutonium started to run out as well

[00:37:11] So all the remaining resources on the earth became really scarce, power became an unknown thing

[00:37:17] The US even invaded Canada and Mexico before the Great War happens

[00:37:22] Right

[00:37:23] Yeah, they got greedy

[00:37:25] Absolute greed, just gluttony

[00:37:28] They never invade a country for their resources in real life

[00:37:31] Oh true

[00:37:33] For the good guys

[00:37:35] Basically Lucy forces her father to give Moldaver the cold fusion code

[00:37:40] I'm surprised he does

[00:37:42] I'm not gonna lie, yeah it took like barely any convincing

[00:37:47] Yeah, he does seem to really care about his daughter despite everything that's happened

[00:37:52] He definitely, I don't think that he's faking his love for his family

[00:37:56] I think he definitely loves his kids at least

[00:37:59] Yeah, at least his kids

[00:38:01] I don't think he quite loved his wife enough

[00:38:04] Yeah, here though is also where we learn

[00:38:07] I think one of my theories from like our first episode gets proven here

[00:38:12] Where I thought that Hank or Lucy's mom was gonna be the cause of the NCR's fall

[00:38:20] Like basically the second round of bombs dropping

[00:38:24] I thought that would be more of a point of contention between Maximus and Lucy

[00:38:28] But considering the fact that Lucy's dad is like full mask off evil guy now

[00:38:33] Yeah, no

[00:38:35] Yeah, he's faking cold

[00:38:38] He doesn't even try to deny that he was responsible

[00:38:41] He does tell Lucy, oh don't listen to her

[00:38:43] Don't listen to anything she has to say

[00:38:45] But once Moldaver actually gets the words out

[00:38:47] He's just kind of resolved himself to being like

[00:38:49] I did what I had to do to make this happen

[00:38:52] That's what I did to protect humanity

[00:38:55] The problem is the factions and the fighting

[00:38:58] And we need to start over all over again

[00:39:01] We need to kill everyone and have only one leader

[00:39:04] Sounds like Vault-Tec isn't

[00:39:06] Bro just wants to be a fascist

[00:39:08] Bro just wants

[00:39:09] Vault-Tec isn't preserving the ideas of the American dream and democracy

[00:39:14] They're just straight up fascists in this

[00:39:17] Crazy because the NCR was built with a lot of help from Vault dwellers

[00:39:22] Yeah, a lot of the Vaults that opened were sort of instrumental in becoming the NCR

[00:39:28] So we're gonna find out a little bit later some more about the Vaults

[00:39:31] We get a lot of critical lore about the Vaults that I wasn't expecting to get from this series

[00:39:37] But yeah, I kind of got the sense that the Vaults are very separate

[00:39:41] Almost competing entities like whichever Vault comes out on top is the one who deserves to rule the wasteland

[00:39:47] Yeah, it does seem like that

[00:39:49] Moving on we see the scene where Barb is discussing with the board

[00:39:55] Her and Budaskins are discussing with the board all this shit about Vault-Tec

[00:40:00] And Budaskins kind of

[00:40:03] That was before the scene but yeah

[00:40:06] We went out of order a little bit just because they cut back and forth in these two scenes a lot

[00:40:11] Yeah, they do go really back and forth right here

[00:40:14] We're back to Barb and Budaskins with all of these leaders of industry and technology in the Fallout universe

[00:40:22] I want to talk a little bit about them in a moment

[00:40:24] We see Bud offering them all their own little spots

[00:40:28] Offering them investment in Vault-Tec

[00:40:30] Now Cooper has faith in his wife

[00:40:32] We see her sort of get a message on her Pip-Boy

[00:40:35] She looks up and she sees a shadowy figure

[00:40:37] You have any theories about who this shadowy figure giving her essentially her talking points is?

[00:40:44] I have no fucking clue

[00:40:46] I have no clue either

[00:40:48] My guess is either CEO of Vault-Tec

[00:40:51] Maybe someone with the enclave like US government

[00:40:54] I'm assuming it's someone we're going to see season 2

[00:40:57] Because later on when you see Hank head towards

[00:41:02] We'll get to that later

[00:41:04] But I think it's someone we're going to see season 2 involved with Hank

[00:41:08] Yeah, speaking of people who might be important to season 2

[00:41:11] The guy who's kind of pushing back the CEO of Robco, Robert House

[00:41:15] He is a spoiler for New Vegas

[00:41:18] He is, he survives the Great War

[00:41:21] And is the controller of New Vegas

[00:41:25] He reopened the strip, he saved Las Vegas from a nuclear annihilation

[00:41:30] How?

[00:41:32] So basically he built all these anti-missile defense systems around Vegas in the lead up to the Great War

[00:41:39] Holy shit

[00:41:40] Yeah, he spent all of his money trying to save Vegas

[00:41:43] And so Las Vegas remains largely untouched by the war

[00:41:48] Still 200 years have gone by and shit kind of falls apart

[00:41:51] But in the late 2100s, maybe early 2200s

[00:41:56] Robert House reopens the strip, invites these three tribes in to become the three families of Las Vegas

[00:42:02] They reopen the casinos

[00:42:04] Robert House has this big robot army of these robots called Securitrons

[00:42:09] Who are fucking tanks

[00:42:11] And he's a big power in the wasteland

[00:42:14] In Fallout New Vegas he makes some comments to the player character

[00:42:17] Saying that he foresaw the end of the world

[00:42:20] And that's why he did everything he did

[00:42:22] But we kind of find out that it wasn't just his intuition

[00:42:25] Barb legit took the point blank that they were gonna end the fucking world

[00:42:30] I mean, didn't she literally say what if we dropped the bombs or some shit?

[00:42:34] Like yeah, she basically went like

[00:42:36] I think last episode we were talking about how we thought that she was just someone who had power

[00:42:41] But not enough power to switch things up and was just trying to do the right thing to save her family

[00:42:47] Yeah, that was wrong

[00:42:49] Barb's just not a good person, I'm pretty sure

[00:42:52] Yeah, she says that the nuke is an opportunity for these companies to have a monopoly in the fucking apocalypse

[00:42:59] Which who the fuck cares if you have a monopoly over the market when everyone is dead and no one can buy anything from you

[00:43:06] Yeah, I don't know, this is fucking ridiculous

[00:43:09] Before we move on to the next scene

[00:43:11] We also see Barb deliver the tagline of the Fallout universe which is war, war never changes

[00:43:18] Usually that line is delivered by Ron Perlman in the prologue of the games in like the little opening cutscene

[00:43:25] It's always the last line before you get into the games is Ron Perlman saying war, war never changes

[00:43:31] So that was a fun call back to the games as well

[00:43:34] The next scene after the cold fusion core code is Norm

[00:43:39] Getting basically trapped in the cryogenic pod area of vault 31 by the overseer and being goaded into getting into a cryogenic pod

[00:43:50] Yeah, I am wondering where that's gonna go with a potential season 2

[00:43:54] Is he just gonna be frozen in there until eventually someone rescues him?

[00:43:58] Is he gonna fight his way out of the vault?

[00:44:00] This is the last we see of Norm this season, I'm pretty sure

[00:44:03] Yeah, it is

[00:44:04] It leaves a lot of open questions about the state of the vault, what's gonna happen there

[00:44:09] This whole tri-vault situation, I'm sure the mystery is going to continue

[00:44:12] I'm guessing that if there is a possible...

[00:44:15] Actually, I'll save this for our theories section

[00:44:17] Let's move on to the next scene

[00:44:19] So we see the NCR and the Brotherhood fighting one another

[00:44:22] The Brotherhood rolls up in their vertebrates with all hands on deck

[00:44:26] Knights, vertebrates, big ass guns, they're rolling up

[00:44:30] We see the NCR take anti-helicopter weapons and shooting down a few vertebrates

[00:44:36] But most of them survive and this scene is pretty awesome

[00:44:40] This is where I thought that they really shined with the action

[00:44:43] It was in this fight between the NCR and the Brotherhood

[00:44:46] Yeah, I think this sequence was really good

[00:44:49] It was done so well, the music was fantastic

[00:44:52] They nailed the music in this episode, I will say

[00:44:55] Yeah, here we also see the ghoul roll up and lay down some heat on one of the knights

[00:45:02] Kind of giving us some more lore about how he used to wear one of the suits of armor

[00:45:07] And he actually knows it better than they do

[00:45:09] The ghoul shows up to the observatory and positively smokes the Brotherhood knights

[00:45:15] They didn't stand a goddamn chance against him

[00:45:18] He used a special bullet to shoot one in the belly or something

[00:45:23] Killed just a night outright

[00:45:25] Yeah, he said that there was a weak spot in the welding underneath the chest piece

[00:45:30] And apparently that was never fixed in production

[00:45:34] So he shoots the weak point and blood goes spewing out of that power armor

[00:45:38] Should have used that on Maximus in the second or third episode

[00:45:42] Second episode I believe

[00:45:44] I don't think he had that bullet, looks like he special made it

[00:45:48] True true

[00:45:50] Alright so after the ghoul absolutely smokes the Brotherhood in the observatory

[00:45:54] Max comes up and lets Hank out of his cage

[00:45:57] And Hank takes a set of power armor, puts it on

[00:46:00] Lucy holds a gun to her dad and she just can't shoot him

[00:46:04] So he gets away with his new power armor

[00:46:08] And we don't see him until the end of the episode again

[00:46:11] Yeah, I think she also puts her mother out of her misery too

[00:46:15] Yeah that's a couple scenes from now but

[00:46:18] She does end up Mercy killing her feral ghoul mother

[00:46:22] Which was a really sad scene

[00:46:24] The ghoul shows up and I got a little bit ahead of myself

[00:46:27] Before Hank makes his escape the ghoul shoots him across the cheek

[00:46:30] And then he gets away

[00:46:32] The ghoul also asks Hank where the fuck is his family at

[00:46:35] Yeah I wonder if they're frozen in Vault 31

[00:46:39] Cause they've mentioned a special vault for management

[00:46:43] Well because you know Vault 31 is like Bud's buddies or whatever

[00:46:47] It's like the people that he like trained

[00:46:49] I think we might see his family at wherever Hank is heading

[00:46:53] At the end of this episode

[00:46:55] Could be

[00:46:57] And the ghoul delivers a pretty crucial line

[00:46:59] He says that the wasteland looks like chaos

[00:47:02] But in reality there is always someone behind the wheel controlling everything

[00:47:06] And in this case it would be Vault-Tec

[00:47:09] They orchestrated the apocalypse

[00:47:11] They orchestrated the end of the NCR

[00:47:13] Even though the wasteland is fucked up and horrible

[00:47:16] And a rough place to live

[00:47:18] There is someone behind the scenes

[00:47:20] Making sure that everything happening is happening to their own designs

[00:47:24] Pretty scary shit right there

[00:47:26] And basically after Lucy and the ghoul team up and did

[00:47:29] Maximus is left unconscious there

[00:47:32] Gets up, wakes up before the brotherhood reaches him

[00:47:35] Finds Muldaver's body

[00:47:37] And gets basically accredited for her death

[00:47:40] He tries to deny it at first but then he's just like oh well

[00:47:43] And I'm pretty sure they night him right?

[00:47:46] They're like night Maximus

[00:47:48] Yeah he's definitely gonna get a knighthood for

[00:47:51] Even though he didn't kill Muldaver he's getting the credit for it

[00:47:53] And that's something that would be worthy of a knighthood for the brotherhood

[00:47:56] I mean yeah they have power over their cold fusion now too so

[00:48:00] They do, that was Muldaver's dying act

[00:48:03] Was activating the cold fusion generator

[00:48:06] And seeing the ruins of

[00:48:08] I believe they're still in LA

[00:48:10] Seeing the ruins of LA light up

[00:48:12] And I didn't expect that to happen

[00:48:15] But it was a pretty cool scene to see the wasteland kind of come back to life

[00:48:18] And now we just have to hope that the brotherhood uses it for good

[00:48:22] Which I feel like we know that they're not going to

[00:48:25] We've gotten a pretty good look at what kind of morals the brotherhood has

[00:48:29] Their whole philosophy of wanting to hoard technology and not share it with anyone else

[00:48:33] Is going to prevent them from using it for the greater good for sure

[00:48:36] Another thing that we see Muldaver tell Maximus right before she dies

[00:48:41] To try and change the brotherhood from the inside

[00:48:44] And do whatever small part he can to make the wasteland a better place

[00:48:48] Now that the brotherhood is going to be owning this cold fusion technology

[00:48:52] Yeah, I mean hopefully they fucking at least share fresh water with people like god damn

[00:48:58] You would hope so but the brotherhood doesn't exactly play nice with others in most scenarios

[00:49:04] They're very, they're not known to share their toys with others

[00:49:08] Even when their toys are fucking plentiful

[00:49:11] And the last actual scene of the episode

[00:49:14] Is like Hank rolling up on what looks like Fultek headquarters

[00:49:19] And then it shows like a monster school

[00:49:21] So that is the skull of a creature called the Death Claw

[00:49:24] Now Death Claws are these intelligent fucking terrifying big ass lizards

[00:49:30] And they were genetically engineered by the Enclave

[00:49:34] And the Enclave at one point had like mind controlled death claws

[00:49:38] That they used as part of their forces in their army

[00:49:41] But over the years since the Enclave has fallen in a lot of areas

[00:49:44] Death Claws have just kind of become commonplace giant ass apex predators

[00:49:49] That wander the wasteland

[00:49:51] They're fucking terrifying

[00:49:53] If you've ever played a Fallout game

[00:49:55] Your first encounter with a Death Claw

[00:49:57] You think you're gonna die and you probably did

[00:49:59] Those things are tough to kill

[00:50:01] But yeah, Hank rolls up to what looks like New Vegas

[00:50:05] Not what looks like New Vegas but that is New Vegas

[00:50:08] Which makes me think that

[00:50:09] Wait that was New Vegas? I thought that was a Fultek headquarters

[00:50:12] No that was New Vegas that he sees at the very end

[00:50:15] Yeah

[00:50:16] That's so barren

[00:50:18] It's like four building

[00:50:20] Well you kind of see that there's walls up around it

[00:50:23] You see the lucky 38 Casino

[00:50:26] Which is the sort of Seattle space needle looking building

[00:50:29] Yeah

[00:50:30] I thought that was a Fultek headquarters

[00:50:32] So that's Mr. House's Casino

[00:50:35] Where that's his like headquarters where he controls the strip from

[00:50:39] I didn't see any of the neon flashing lights of Vegas

[00:50:43] I don't know if it's a question of whether or not it's actually still up and running

[00:50:46] In this timeline

[00:50:47] We'll find out next season apparently

[00:50:49] But yeah, that is going to conclude episode 8

[00:50:52] The beginning

[00:50:53] And it certainly feels like the beginning

[00:50:55] I can't wait for what's next

[00:50:57] You wanna talk a little bit about theories and thoughts for possible season 2?

[00:51:01] Oh well in season 2

[00:51:03] I had some theories but you said that place was New Vegas

[00:51:07] And I thought it was Fultek so never mind

[00:51:10] We do know that Robert House was involved with Fultek

[00:51:13] So maybe Hank thinks that's a good place to go to get some answers

[00:51:17] There is a vault in Las Vegas

[00:51:20] That I don't know, maybe he's going there

[00:51:22] But he's gonna find out that that vault was opened and turned into a casino

[00:51:26] And hotel by Mr. House

[00:51:29] In the aftermath of the apocalypse

[00:51:32] Bro loves casinos

[00:51:35] No legit

[00:51:36] He fucking turned everything into a casino

[00:51:39] And he was originally going to fill the vault with concrete when it opened

[00:51:44] But the residents of the vault convinced him that it would be better off as a hotel

[00:51:48] So do you have any other theories?

[00:51:51] Even though we don't think that this is Fultek headquarters anymore and we know it's New Vegas

[00:51:56] What do you think is gonna happen next season with the brotherhood now controlling the cold fusion technology?

[00:52:01] What are they gonna do with this shit?

[00:52:03] In all honesty I have no fucking clue where this shit is going

[00:52:06] I'm just along for the ride

[00:52:08] It kinda seems like the brotherhood or at the very least this faction of the brotherhood

[00:52:13] They're trying to break away from the main faction right?

[00:52:16] They're trying to go off on their own

[00:52:18] Yeah they're trying to make their own brotherhood basically

[00:52:21] What Maximus was talking to that fucking priest guy

[00:52:25] He was like we're gonna become our own power or some shit like that

[00:52:28] And I was like what the?

[00:52:30] This guy's greedy

[00:52:32] Yeah I was looking up the name of the guy

[00:52:34] It's Elder Cleric Quintus

[00:52:36] And yeah he goes to Maximus and tells him that he's gonna be the leader of a new brotherhood

[00:52:42] And people like Maximus need to be the sword of the brotherhood going forward

[00:52:46] So factionalism is nothing new for the brotherhood of steel

[00:52:49] They've gone through these sort of periods where each chapter has their own leaders and their own objectives

[00:52:55] It seems like the brotherhood is more cohesive and one unit at the beginning of the fallout show

[00:53:01] But seems like they're gonna devolve back into the whole factionalism

[00:53:04] Each chapter having their own goals and leadership type of thing

[00:53:08] Yeah I just feel like even though they have infinite energy now

[00:53:11] I don't know how they're gonna defend it

[00:53:13] I feel like they've depleted so much of their forces throughout the show

[00:53:16] Yeah and the way that people were so afraid of Moldaver

[00:53:20] I don't think that's all that's left of the NCR forces

[00:53:23] I think that there's gotta be more communities scattered around that have joined up with her

[00:53:27] She seemed to have pretty widespread support right?

[00:53:30] Yeah for sure I mean the way that everyone is basically said her name

[00:53:34] And they started like cowering in fear

[00:53:37] She must have other forces elsewhere

[00:53:40] Yeah it seems like a lot of people are loyal to her

[00:53:43] Anyone who survived the NCR and believes in bringing it back is gonna be on her side

[00:53:48] We saw that at the very least there are some families out there that have sort of heeded her call to action

[00:53:54] Like we saw Tommy in episode 7

[00:53:56] We know his brother had joined up with Moldaver

[00:53:58] We know he was helping Moldaver

[00:53:59] I would imagine that there's a lot of people in the wasteland who are sort of a part of her grassroots organization

[00:54:05] Yeah they're gonna bring back the NCR

[00:54:08] Which is not surprising considering it was like the closest thing they had to real civilization again

[00:54:14] Yeah we see the brotherhood firsthand how they control the wasteland when they roll into Philly and take over

[00:54:21] And basically just have the place under military occupation

[00:54:24] You know it's not really they're not trying to build a country

[00:54:27] They're just trying to control things

[00:54:29] But then again the brotherhood was never meant to be a nation in and of itself

[00:54:33] It was just this paramilitary organization that wants to hoard technology

[00:54:37] So I don't know what their long-term plan is for administrating humanity

[00:54:42] But they don't seem to be too worried about it

[00:54:44] They seem like they're just kinda they're gonna roll in

[00:54:47] I think we might see more of it next season with the infinite energy, infinite clean water shit

[00:54:53] Like they're probably gonna be able to actually have a real like handle over civilization now

[00:55:00] Because I mean earlier they were just building up an army

[00:55:03] Up until now basically they were just building up an army collecting powerful

[00:55:08] I mean not powerful but technology regardless of what it was to you know gain an advantage

[00:55:15] Horde it basically so that they could have it and no one else could

[00:55:19] So like there's they're building their strengths in order to be able to control

[00:55:24] Yeah and the same way that we saw that one airship roll in with all the knights

[00:55:29] And reinforcements to begin the campaign

[00:55:32] I wonder if there's gonna be more like if Quintus is gonna maybe contact the brotherhood in

[00:55:38] I think he said the Commonwealth which is what would be Boston in our world

[00:55:43] Like the greater Boston area

[00:55:45] We know that the brotherhood has some elders and a lot of infrastructure there

[00:55:50] I wonder if he'll call for more reinforcements to sort of shore up their operations in California

[00:55:55] Now that they've got unlimited energy the brotherhood's not gonna want to lose out on that

[00:55:59] Yeah he might but at the same time I don't know what's his plan for when he's gonna like seize control

[00:56:07] You know like are those people gonna remain loyal to him or the true brotherhood

[00:56:13] It seems like Quintus is maybe not the most popular guy in the brotherhood

[00:56:17] I don't know how much sway he would have if he decided to go off on his own and sort of create his own brotherhood

[00:56:25] I mean I guess that's why he gave Maximus the whole you're gonna be my sword speech too though

[00:56:31] He's probably gonna have Maximus put people in line you know

[00:56:35] For sure they mentioned promoting Maximus to a knight

[00:56:39] There is a rank higher than knight in the brotherhood which would be Paladin

[00:56:43] And those are like the knights of the knights and I wonder if we'll see Maximus get promoted to that next season

[00:56:50] If he's really gonna be Quintus' right hand in this new brotherhood that's being formed

[00:56:55] Maybe

[00:56:57] One step at a time though he just got his knighthood can't be promoting him too fast

[00:57:02] I mean he just got his fucking squirehood too so you never know what this fucking guy

[00:57:09] Yeah that's true he's got the ambition he's got the drive to become high up in the brotherhood

[00:57:16] We'll see if he can actually influence it in a good direction

[00:57:20] I don't think that he's gonna be able to to be quite honest and he'll try his best at some point or another

[00:57:27] And kind of resolve to the fact that he can't do too much about it

[00:57:31] Alright before we close out I think I'm gonna give my final rating of the season

[00:57:37] I think earlier during our episodes 1 through 3 I said it was about an 8 to an 8.5

[00:57:42] I think now it's definitely like a 9 to like a 9.4 9.5

[00:57:49] Like this really surprised me at how good it was I'm not gonna lie

[00:57:54] I know in our preview episode I said I was expecting it to be good I was not expecting it to be this good

[00:58:00] This show is really really good in my opinion

[00:58:03] Yeah I've never been so pleasantly surprised by a video game adaptation

[00:58:09] That's exactly what I was gonna say

[00:58:12] Holy shit the video game adaptation rolled over so well

[00:58:18] I mean it's not an adaptation technically it's based off of the video games lore

[00:58:24] I've never been so happy with a show based off of a video game before

[00:58:31] You just have to look at a few other examples I'll not name names of what shows

[00:58:38] But there's a few out there that are based on video games or take inspiration from video games that

[00:58:44] Oh hello

[00:58:45] Yup who don't exactly understand the source material

[00:58:50] I saw an interview with Todd Howard on Instagram where he was talking about the writers and the cameraman

[00:58:55] And he said that everyone involved in this project was just they were fallout fans

[00:59:00] And it really came through they understood the world they were good writers aside from that fact

[00:59:06] And that's what really made it so special

[00:59:10] I think I said this a few episodes ago but I would watch this show if it wasn't fallout

[00:59:15] If it was just a sci-fi post apocalypse show or some other story being told that had nothing to do with fallout

[00:59:22] And it was the same general story beats I would still love this show and I think that that's the true testament to it being such a good show

[00:59:30] I would put it in a similar place that you did I think a 9.5 is a pretty fair place to put this show

[00:59:36] I thought it was fantastic

[00:59:38] Yeah I greatly enjoyed it also I know that I think Jonathan Nolan was trying to get this show out

[00:59:44] Or trying to get a fallout show made for like the past eight years or something like that

[00:59:48] Which is really interesting to know

[00:59:50] And also last year we get Oppenheimer and then we get fallout like that's a really interesting dichotomy from the Nolan brothers

[00:59:58] Yeah lots of nukes going on I wonder if Jonathan Nolan went to his brother Christopher and was like hey can I borrow a nuke for this?

[01:00:10] You said eight years he was trying to get this show made

[01:00:13] That's what I heard when I was like researching it a little bit

[01:00:17] That's crazy the other thing I heard about like related to Jonathan Nolan is that when they were making Westworld

[01:00:24] They took fallout as like huge inspiration when they were making Westworld

[01:00:29] Which lines up with them knowing this property because they already made a property that sort of took inspiration

[01:00:37] So it just makes sense that they would refine it even more in this and create something that respects the feel of fallout

[01:00:44] Respects the story, respects the source material

[01:00:46] I was gonna say I feel like they did fall out of service you know they shed some light on it

[01:00:51] They made it look good you know they didn't shade fallout

[01:00:55] They didn't make fallout look bad

[01:00:57] Yeah there's so many when people make video game adaptations or really any adaptation

[01:01:03] It almost feels like they're afraid of the source material and that kind of hinders the product

[01:01:09] And they can't really tell the story that they want to because they're afraid of pissing off the original fans or deviating from the norm

[01:01:17] And this show struck a great balance between telling its own original story and keeping in line with what makes fallout fallout

[01:01:25] Yeah I mean once again never played the games

[01:01:28] I know I've said that a million times on this podcast but I feel like it needs to be said again

[01:01:33] Because I feel like they really kept the heart and soul of fallout here in this show

[01:01:38] Even like even though I don't really know the heart and soul of fallout

[01:01:42] I feel like from what I've seen of fallout it just feels so right

[01:01:47] All of the characters feel to fall in with all like the scenes of fallout I've ever seen

[01:01:53] All of the costume design was really great

[01:01:56] All of the set design was really great

[01:01:58] The acting was great

[01:02:00] Everything was so good and I feel like they didn't take it too seriously

[01:02:05] You know? They allowed it to be goofy at times and it was fun

[01:02:10] Yeah and that's part of the spirit of fallout is this universe that it's a satire of the real world in its core

[01:02:19] You know? It's satire about capitalism causing the end of the world and the way that humanity never changes

[01:02:26] So the fact that the show didn't take itself too seriously and kept with that spirit I think is great

[01:02:32] And going off of what you just said about having never played a fallout game

[01:02:36] But you can still tell that they really captured the spirit of fallout

[01:02:40] And I think that that's a great mark of success for them

[01:02:42] That they were able to have someone like you who hasn't played the games

[01:02:46] Understand what this universe is about and what's so important to it

[01:02:51] What the core of it is and you picked up on that and that's a testament to how well the writers did

[01:02:56] Yeah honestly just a big thumbs up to the writers in general

[01:03:01] I mean it was great. The story was so intriguing at all points

[01:03:05] And the characters are really interesting at all time

[01:03:09] Alright before we run out of things to say in our season wrap up

[01:03:13] Do you want to bring us to our outro?

[01:03:15] For feedback guys

[01:03:17] There are a few ways to contact us first being email with falloutatthelorehounds.com

[01:03:24] We also have a channel set up for our podcast Radioactive Ramblings within the Lorehounds Discord server

[01:03:31] Where you can send us a message or chat about the show

[01:03:34] And you can also use the contact form or leave us a voicemail by going to thelorehounds.com

[01:03:41] And please leave us a rating on Apple Podcasts

[01:03:44] It helps other listeners like you find us

[01:03:47] Finally this will be our last episode covering this series

[01:03:50] But remember we will be releasing a reaction slash response episode

[01:03:55] To all of the feedback you guys leave to our previously mentioned methods

[01:03:59] So please contact us

[01:04:01] All of this info is in the show notes

[01:04:04] Just to really put a point on it

[01:04:06] Please send us feedback either by email anyway

[01:04:09] That Chase just mentioned

[01:04:11] Because we want to hear from you guys

[01:04:13] We want to know what you thought of the series

[01:04:15] We want to know what your theories were, what came true

[01:04:19] We want to know what your thoughts are on a potential season 2

[01:04:22] So this is your call to action to just get us your thoughts on this

[01:04:26] We want to hear from you

[01:04:27] And if you want to be a part of the podcast

[01:04:30] Send us a voicemail

[01:04:31] It's super fun

[01:04:32] It's a great way for you guys to engage with the show

[01:04:35] And you get to hear your own lovely voice on the podcast

[01:04:38] So try and send us in some voicemails

[01:04:40] We would love that

[01:04:41] Before we let you guys go

[01:04:42] We want to talk a little bit about the Barovian Podcasting Network

[01:04:47] This is the podcasting network that we are a part of

[01:04:49] And it is operated by the lorehounds, our parent podcast

[01:04:54] Now one of the newest podcasts that has joined this little family of ours

[01:04:59] Is Rings and Rituals

[01:05:01] It's a show where Marilyn Arpaquilla and Dr. Sarah Brown of Signum University

[01:05:05] Analyze the Rings of Power Season 1 through the lens of Ritual

[01:05:09] While looking at the bigger Tolkien legendarium

[01:05:11] They also look at Ritual in our daily lives

[01:05:13] They have podcasts out now

[01:05:15] And new episodes coming every other week

[01:05:17] Next, Walshif Dust

[01:05:19] Which is run by Alicia where she covers shows such as Beacon 23, Silo and the Dune series

[01:05:26] She's got an interview coming up with author Hugh Howey

[01:05:29] And she is going to be asking some questions about the Walshif Dust series

[01:05:34] So stay tuned for that one

[01:05:36] Also got properly Howard Movie Review

[01:05:38] Which has just come back from a hiatus

[01:05:40] This is where two film lovers and old friends Anthony and Steve

[01:05:44] And Academic and A Comics respectively

[01:05:47] Are going to be rating movies on a scale of better or worse than a Ron Howard film

[01:05:52] They've got a new season theme which is felonies and fugazies

[01:05:55] They're going to be talking about some crime and just some overall silly movies

[01:06:00] These two are a hilarious duo so give them a watch

[01:06:03] The Lorhounds and properly Howard are going to be doing a joint production

[01:06:07] To cover Severance when that comes back

[01:06:09] We're waiting for news at the moment about season 2

[01:06:12] But as soon as there's news on that

[01:06:14] We'll make sure to update you guys and let you know what's happening

[01:06:17] Last but certainly not least

[01:06:19] Our parent podcast The Lorhounds is currently covering Shogun on FX

[01:06:23] With the help of Alisho from Walshif Dust

[01:06:25] They've got full season coverage happening with a season wrap up and feedback episode coming

[01:06:30] Where they will have Nathan Ledbetter, a PhD candidate

[01:06:33] And member of the East Asian Studies department at Princeton

[01:06:36] Coming on to help them and give some insight on the series

[01:06:39] Nate has been giving some great feedback in the Discord

[01:06:42] So check that episode out once it drops

[01:06:44] Lastly, thank you guys so much for listening to us this season

[01:06:48] Your support means everything to us

[01:06:50] And we hope you'll join us for our final episode

[01:06:53] Where we're going to be covering all of your listener feedback

[01:06:56] As well as our final thoughts and feelings on the season

[01:07:00] We'll have some special announcements for you then

[01:07:02] But in the meantime, thank you guys for listening

[01:07:05] And we'll see you soon

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