Fallout - S01 Wrap-up & Listener Feedback

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[00:00:45] Hello and welcome to the Radioactive Ramblings podcast, a show where we are going to be covering

[00:00:51] Fallout on Amazon Prime Video. I am one of your co-hosts, Aaron.

[00:00:56] And I'm your other co-host, Chase. Today we are going to be wrapping up this season of Fallout.

[00:01:01] First, we're going to be starting with some brief announcements on the future of our show

[00:01:05] before moving on to a section with listener feedback. Finally, we'll be giving our last

[00:01:10] thoughts, theories and hopes for this season. Spoilers will be on the table for our feedback

[00:01:16] section as well as our final thoughts. Alright, let's get right into some quick announcements

[00:01:22] before we get to the main meat of the podcast. So, Chase, we are going to be continuing on with

[00:01:28] Radioactive Ramblings after Fallout is over in this final episode. Yeah, the next thing we're

[00:01:34] going to cover is review of season two of Invincible since we both greatly enjoyed Invincible.

[00:01:42] We think reviewing season one is a little far off the mark. It's been a while since season one

[00:01:47] is out, but season two finished not too, too long ago. So we think in two episodes or so we can

[00:01:54] cover that. And after that, May is looking like a pretty slow month in terms of shows and movies

[00:02:01] that are going to be coming out. So we'll likely be going through some media that we've

[00:02:05] enjoyed over the past little while that maybe we didn't get a chance to cover because we

[00:02:09] just started podcasting or possibly talk about some video games, you know, some other things

[00:02:15] like that. So we're going to be talking a little bit more about that coming soon after that. The

[00:02:20] boys season four is coming and we plan on doing episode coverage for that show. We'll be doing

[00:02:27] weekly episodes to be a sort of companion to the boys season four. Stay tuned for

[00:02:33] some more info on that as we get closer to the release date of the boys.

[00:02:38] I know during May, since it's kind of dry thinking maybe you wanted to do some lore coverage of Elden

[00:02:44] Ring. Maybe that might be something we would do. Yeah, absolutely. That was on the list of things

[00:02:51] that we might be able to do. And also in June, the Elden Ring DLC is coming out. So I feel like

[00:02:56] now would be a pretty good time to start doing some lore coverage for that. And I don't know if

[00:03:00] this is something you would be interested in, but possibly doing like a fallout lore series,

[00:03:05] or maybe if you're not interested in doing that, I could do possibly like a standalone

[00:03:10] episode or two with some fallout lore. I don't know how much people want to hear me

[00:03:14] talking to the microphone by myself though. I mean, I'd be interested in the fallout lore,

[00:03:18] but I don't think I'd be of any help in those episodes. Yeah, we could always,

[00:03:25] we would figure that out as we move along. But I think that transitioning some kind of like lore

[00:03:30] podcasts or something like that would be good to hold us over in the meantime

[00:03:35] until the boys comes out. I know we're also going to be both watching House of the Dragon,

[00:03:39] but I believe a few other podcasts that are sort of related to us like The Lorehounds are going

[00:03:45] to be doing weekly coverage of House of the Dragon. I know that Anthony and Steve over at

[00:03:51] Properly Howard, they're not doing it on Properly Howard, but I believe that they are

[00:03:56] going to be covering it on their own. So we'll have to figure that out. It's definitely

[00:04:02] something I would like to talk about, but I don't know if doing weekly coverage alongside the boys

[00:04:07] would really be feasible. Yeah, I mean, I definitely want to do coverage of the boys,

[00:04:13] and I think that we kind of talked to the Lorehounds a little bit about it.

[00:04:19] For sure. I mean, either way, we're going to be doing coverage of it, and then we'll have

[00:04:24] them possibly on as guests in a couple episodes if the scheduling works out for that.

[00:04:30] For House of the Dragon, I don't know. I definitely don't think that we'll have time to do the boys

[00:04:36] episode by episode and then House of the Dragon. So maybe doing something sort of similar to how

[00:04:41] we've done Fallout like every three weeks, we would do it like maybe an episode one through three

[00:04:47] sort of recap. And because it's only going to be eight episodes this season.

[00:04:52] Yeah, I mean, I think since the Lorehounds are going to be doing full coverage of it,

[00:04:57] we could just do like a mid-season checkup and then like an end of season final review.

[00:05:05] Yeah, that's a good idea. I think that should be what we stick with for that, just to

[00:05:11] not overload people's feeds with House of the Dragon. People are going to have more than enough

[00:05:16] coverage to listen to every week. So yeah, I think that's a good place for us to be right

[00:05:21] now in terms of scheduling. That's sort of where we're looking if anyone has any ideas of things

[00:05:27] that they'd like to be covered. Yeah, please let us know. Yeah, obviously we can't guarantee that

[00:05:34] we will or won't watch and cover any of the things that are suggested but just getting a feel for

[00:05:39] what you guys would like to hear from us next. We would love that. So send us some feedback.

[00:05:44] We'll talk a little bit later about how to do that. For announcements, I think that's all we

[00:05:48] have. We're going to move on to our listener feedback section. The majority of our listener

[00:05:53] feedback has come from the Discord over at the Lorehounds Discord server. We have some messages

[00:05:59] from there. We've got a couple emails as well. So let's get right into it. I will read off

[00:06:05] our first email here. It comes from Robert. He says, Robert says, Episode One at the

[00:06:12] birthday party, a guy in the crowd mumbles that the cowboy slash ghoul character has

[00:06:16] to pay alimony. So he got divorced before the bombs fell. Daughter was with him outside,

[00:06:21] so she could be a ghoul in Vegas. Ghoul character and wife was probably part of the group of scientists

[00:06:27] that got frozen in Vault 31 along with Lucy's dad. Moldaver, Betty, and Ipatch.

[00:06:34] Moldaver was a scientist but was also head of the communists who realized Vault Tech were

[00:06:39] up to no good. And after they unfroze her, she started the resistance and converted Lucy's

[00:06:44] mom in an effort to get her back. Lucy's dad dropped another nuke and destroyed the city.

[00:06:50] I think for most of that, that's a good synopsis of what happened. The only thing that I would

[00:06:57] disagree with there is that Moldaver and the ghoul's wife were in Vault 31 as well. I think that they...

[00:07:06] Yeah, I think they were frozen somewhere else for sure too.

[00:07:10] Yeah, I don't know what's going or what happened with Moldaver.

[00:07:14] Well because all of the people in Vault 31 were Bud Askin's buds, right? That was that whole plot line

[00:07:23] I'm pretty sure was he was talking about how he tried to equivocate him training the buds to

[00:07:28] raising a kid I think when he was talking to Cooper at one point. But yeah, all the people

[00:07:35] frozen in 31 were like his buds which were basically just all personal trained assistants for Vault

[00:07:40] Tech. So yeah, I think there's probably like another vault that Cooper's wife was frozen in and

[00:07:48] I don't know what happened to the kid. I mean it wouldn't make sense if she was also a ghoul,

[00:07:55] right? Because of the... If Cooper's a ghoul, they were together. So unless Cooper brought her

[00:08:05] to his wife and she got her into the vault but didn't let Cooper in or Cooper refused to go in

[00:08:11] or something like that, I don't know. I actually have almost that exact thing written in my theories

[00:08:17] for season two. I think that the ghoul and his daughter pulled up to whatever vault they were

[00:08:23] supposed to be in the like special management vault and you know I think that the wife

[00:08:27] and daughter were let in and Cooper was not allowed in and that's why he became a ghoul.

[00:08:32] I have one more theory that's a little more outlandish though is that they both got hit by the

[00:08:38] radiation but he still got his daughter to the vault and like his wife is like

[00:08:44] expir... like took her away and it's like experimenting, like trying to like reverse the effects.

[00:08:50] Yeah, I wonder maybe he was in the vault for a time and that's where he became a ghoul.

[00:08:57] We hear people at Vault-Tec saying how time is the greatest asset, it's the greatest weapon.

[00:09:04] Maybe in sort of a way to make themselves have some more longevity or I don't know just live longer

[00:09:12] for the sake of ruling over the wasteland. Maybe they experimented on Cooper and that's how

[00:09:18] he became this sort of special ghoul that we see. Maybe. That one's maybe a little bit more

[00:09:24] far-fetched but... I feel like what we've seen from the show is like I know how at first we thought

[00:09:29] he was a special ghoul but I think what we've seen from the show is he's like every other ghoul,

[00:09:34] it's just the fact that he actually is able to keep getting the vials because of his skill set.

[00:09:40] That's true yeah we're still not sure if he originally took the vials and that's how he

[00:09:45] became a ghoul because that's how Thaddeus becomes a ghoul in the end of this series is

[00:09:49] he takes whatever vials from the snake oil salesman I guess we're gonna call him the chicken

[00:09:55] fucker. No the chicken fucker is a better title I feel like. I've been playing Fallout Shelter and

[00:10:01] I unlocked that character and they name him as the snake oil salesman but I think chicken

[00:10:06] fucker is definitely a better name for him but yeah I don't know if the ghoul became that

[00:10:10] way because of that or if it was the bombs dropping there's just so many unanswered

[00:10:14] questions about that plotline and I just know we're gonna get more flashbacks in season two to

[00:10:20] answer those questions. Yeah well I mean we got so many flashbacks in season one that I mean there's

[00:10:26] no way they do us dirty in season two and leave all of those questions unanswered. Yeah absolutely

[00:10:32] all right moving on to our next bit of feedback from sub zero over on the discord

[00:10:37] I pulled a few messages from sub zero that just finished the season last night and I think

[00:10:42] they did a wonderful job to stick the landing. The story was so intricately written when it all

[00:10:46] pays off at the end you look back on early episodes and start recognizing all the clues they dropped

[00:10:51] along the way. As a non-gamer I never felt once like I was missing context or having an inferior

[00:10:57] viewing experience just because I didn't play the game. They often upended conventional

[00:11:01] sci-fi tropes. You're never quite sure who the good guys are and the quirky humor is so

[00:11:06] on point and smartly applied. I want to say I feel exactly the same way as him. I think that

[00:11:13] as a not a fallout enthusiast I would say just a someone who thinks it's a cool series cool games

[00:11:20] never played any. I really did not feel excluded from the experience I enjoyed it every step

[00:11:27] of the way. I felt that the characters were very humanized you know what sub zero said about

[00:11:33] you never quite sure who the good guys are. I really feel that I agree with that because

[00:11:40] there's a lot of characters who end up doing not so great things because they're in terrible shitty

[00:11:47] poo poo situations you know like I mean Maximus for example he does he does do a lot of shitty

[00:11:55] things but one thing is when they're in vault four and he starts flipping tables beating

[00:12:00] non vault dwellers because he thinks they're about to execute Lucy you know there's a lot of

[00:12:05] moments like that in the show I feel like where people people are they're trying to do the best

[00:12:11] for what they think the situation is. Yeah I would agree with that assessment I think that

[00:12:18] you know I don't think that there's any good guys necessarily in fallout I think that there's

[00:12:24] bad guys and then there's downright evil guys like no one no one who's surviving the apocalypse is really

[00:12:33] it's hard to be a good person everyone is a murderer or some other. I mean yeah we could take

[00:12:40] Moldaver for example like what she was trying to do is technically good but she also had to

[00:12:46] like massacre a bunch of innocent vault dwellers for it. Yeah and that's kind of the story

[00:12:52] of fallout is people having to make those hard decisions of all right I want to help people but

[00:12:58] at the same time I have to do these awful things to get there and is it really worth it in the end?

[00:13:03] As the consumers of the media I guess that's up to us to decide whether or not these things are

[00:13:09] worth it and whether or not the ends justify the means. Yeah all right I think we can read

[00:13:14] out the next one of Sub-Zero's messages. Yes the next one of Sub-Zero's messages

[00:13:20] until Norm went into Vault 31 it never even occurred to me that Vault-Tec had their people in

[00:13:26] Stasis and figured out a way to control the future by periodically reviving them. Usually at least

[00:13:31] halfway through a season you already have a pretty solid idea of where everything is going

[00:13:35] I had no clue and it was absolute genius. Yeah honestly I completely agree here I didn't even know

[00:13:43] they had Stasis pods in fallout I mean I'm sure that was in the games. I thought that

[00:13:50] my theory for that was that they were just having them train them specifically to be overseers

[00:13:56] and follow the Vault-Tec code or whatever you know but I think this was a much more interesting twist.

[00:14:03] Yeah I would agree and to go off of your thing about whether or not the Stasis pods were in

[00:14:08] the games so this is going to be a pretty major spoiler for fallout 4 if you haven't played

[00:14:15] it but the way that your main character survives the apocalypse they enter Vault 111 and them their

[00:14:23] wife and their kid are put into these cryopods and the main character wakes up over 200 years later

[00:14:30] as the only survivor of this cryopod situation and the only one to have gotten out of it so

[00:14:36] this is a thing in the fallout world but I didn't expect them to use it here so I was caught

[00:14:41] off guard by it too and I honestly really loved it. Alright moving on to the final message from

[00:14:48] Sub-Zero that we included in our feedback today I don't know if this was intentional or not but

[00:14:53] I found Max to be thoroughly unlikable and an annoying character he is petty selfish and a

[00:14:59] borderline imbecile he makes rash decisions with no thought on consequences I have no idea why

[00:15:06] Lucy likes him so much the way things ended with Max where he's getting undeservedly credited with

[00:15:12] killing Moldaver I could see him becoming a semi-villain in season two or at least for a portion

[00:15:18] of the season until he gets quote redeemed yeah I think me and Aaron kind of talked about this

[00:15:23] a lot throughout the pod is that we just don't like Max he kind of had a slow minimal redemption

[00:15:31] arc at the end but I think he's still deep in negative bad person territory not a good dude

[00:15:38] doesn't break the cycle of being an asshole to your squire like like he's just not great I do

[00:15:47] agree with you I think he's in season two he's gonna be a conflicted villain he doesn't want to

[00:15:52] do harm to Lucy probably doesn't want to get in the way of her revenge against her dad or

[00:15:58] whatever it is but at the same time I feel that the the glory of the brotherhood is gonna cloud

[00:16:04] his decisions the power is gonna get to his head blow it up like a damn blimp on his shoulders

[00:16:12] he's he I feel like I'm getting the same feeling as you sub-zero I feel like this guy's he's

[00:16:18] gonna be a villain in season two I think until I'm guessing he's probably gonna like sacrifice

[00:16:24] himself or get basically exile himself from the brotherhood to like help Lucy out at the end of

[00:16:30] the season or something I thought that season one would end with him there where he's exiling

[00:16:35] himself from the brotherhood or leaving the brotherhood but it seems like his desire for

[00:16:40] power and fitting in has kind of overtaken what I thought his character was gonna or

[00:16:46] what direction I thought his character was gonna go in yeah I thought at the end when

[00:16:50] you know when Hank like punches him with the power armor and he gets knocked out I thought Lucy was

[00:16:54] gonna be able to like wake him up before she leaves at the ghoul but no so yeah yeah I thought it would

[00:17:02] be the three of them going off to whatever was next for them but I think that this is just as

[00:17:08] interesting to see how Max is gonna fit in especially now that there's gonna be this new

[00:17:14] brotherhood faction that the elder cleric is creating or at least that's what it seems like

[00:17:20] he's doing is creating his own brotherhood faction I mean I think it's it's honestly

[00:17:25] more interesting that Maximus is like this I think it's more in line with his character

[00:17:30] he is a treacherous guy you know Dane proved that he didn't actually put the razor blades in

[00:17:37] their boot but you know Maximus also proved that if it wasn't Dane it might have been him you know like

[00:17:45] he was happy it happened like Maximus has proved like he's he's a treacherous guy killed his night

[00:17:55] or not killed but let his night die before him you know stole the power core from vault four

[00:18:02] he almost kept it he almost kept it if Lucy hadn't been there to be the angel on his shoulder he would

[00:18:08] have kept that power core yeah so without Lucy it's just the devil on his shoulder and we know that

[00:18:16] he's gonna be high up now in the brotherhood and he was tasked before Moldaver died Moldaver told

[00:18:23] him to try and change the brotherhood from the inside I just don't see him having that kind

[00:18:27] of influence or ability to do that within the brotherhood even being a knight now I don't think he

[00:18:33] can do that yeah I mean I feel like he really has to go to great lengths in season two to really get

[00:18:40] some more standing and respect before he can try and change anything if that's even the path he

[00:18:46] takes yeah because even if the brotherhood makes him a knight which that seems to be the pretty

[00:18:52] clear path for him in season two he's still the guy who let his night die didn't tell anyone might

[00:19:01] have put razor blades in a boot like just every single thing about him is untrustworthy and his

[00:19:08] brothers and sisters and arms don't I don't think they trust him the only reason why the elder

[00:19:15] is giving him any sort of responsibility or trust is because he thinks he can use maximus as

[00:19:21] sort of a sword for him to swing around and point at people and be like go get him you know yeah the

[00:19:29] most trustworthy maximus has ever been is when he literally took the heat for Thaddeus and Lucy

[00:19:35] and then immediately was like oh actually I can get the head for you don't kill me

[00:19:41] when he gets there so yeah he did straight up lie to the brotherhood about having the head

[00:19:47] and then I don't know why even at the end of the season I don't know why they trusted him to be like

[00:19:53] okay we'll we'll believe you that you know where the head is if I were the brotherhood I would have

[00:19:58] executed him and been like that idiot doesn't know what the head is. They just keep giving this

[00:20:01] fucker chances bro has a level 10 luck stat. He really does he's got all luck and no charisma

[00:20:09] he's pecked into nothing else on his special stats. You want to read out Pawsson 20s message from

[00:20:17] Discord. They said finish season one of Fallout and as someone who's never played the games I thought

[00:20:22] it was really good. I love the world building with the vaults brotherhood ghouls and others

[00:20:27] there's an overarching mystery which gets resolved at the end which was fascinating. I do wonder

[00:20:33] how Moldaver survived for so long and Hank didn't recognize her in the first episode.

[00:20:38] Ella Pernell is great as Lucy really loved the ghoul too and his back story was really interesting

[00:20:46] wasn't a fan of Maximus initially but he later grew on me. Action scenes are really good too and some

[00:20:51] stuff are super violent. I do think this show would have benefited being weekly even though

[00:20:56] I loved binging it maybe Amazon would make it weekly from season two just like with the boys.

[00:21:03] Um I agree I think weekly is just so much better than the binge model especially for a show where

[00:21:10] every episode is an hour long too. I think the binge model makes more sense for a more

[00:21:17] long form content show like when a show has 24 episodes I don't want to spend 24 weeks watching

[00:21:25] it but when a show is like eight episodes and each episode is an hour long like I just

[00:21:30] rather it be weekly so I don't like watch episode one and then be like okay I'm gonna go to episode

[00:21:36] two now and then get like 20 minutes into it and be like oh this is really long actually.

[00:21:41] Yeah I think I mentioned this a few weeks ago or whenever we recorded our episodes one through

[00:21:47] three podcast that I really like having a show to look forward to every week I think it's

[00:21:52] really fun that's just my personal opinion on it though. I don't know if you agree with me

[00:21:56] but like when a show is like 24 episodes long or like one of the longer seasons of a show

[00:22:03] like I don't know if I'm gonna be able to keep on like the week by week

[00:22:07] but like when a show is like 10-12 episodes you know like I'll definitely be there every

[00:22:12] week to watch it I'll be happy. I think it's a good way to like space it out and let you

[00:22:17] take a breath between each episode. I think that for serious dramas like this the week to

[00:22:22] week works really well when it comes to something like I don't I've been watching Abad Elementary

[00:22:27] which is a comedy show on Hulu and I think it's on Fox. I really prefer the binge model for a

[00:22:37] comedy because I just want to like sit in bed and watch five episodes at a time before I go

[00:22:44] to sleep or something like that you know I think that like you said the 24 episode seasons

[00:22:49] where each episode is 20 minutes sort of comedy model is really good for the binge and then a

[00:22:56] show like this would be so much better for week to week coverage. And I mean it would let us do

[00:23:02] shorter and more frequent podcasts you know like we could do a 30-minute episode every

[00:23:08] week or something rather than every week we're doing a an hour long episode covering three

[00:23:15] episodes. Yeah absolutely and um Pawson 20 said that they're they might give it the boys treatment

[00:23:25] where it was just season one that is going to be binged and then the rest is going to be

[00:23:30] week to week. I had no idea that the boys season one was a binge model I don't think I knew that.

[00:23:36] Uh I didn't know that either I mean I started watching the boys not when it like originally

[00:23:42] aired I watched it after I got some hype on YouTube and my brother watched it so yeah. Yeah I don't

[00:23:48] think I started watching the boys until maybe midway through season two so anyways we're getting

[00:23:53] off topic here let's move on to our final piece of feedback for this episode this one's a little bit

[00:23:59] different. Wait wait wait I want to go back to Pawson's. Okay okay let's go back. I agree with the

[00:24:04] Attila Pernell take I think she did a great job as Lucy really good American accent

[00:24:10] for Lucy for those that don't know I think Ella Pernell is from the UK. Yes I believe so. Also

[00:24:17] wasn't a fan of mine I'm gonna keep reiterating this I really don't like Maximus's character.

[00:24:23] He's just I mean I think he's a good character but he's a bad guy. I think the character is

[00:24:31] really well written I think the actor does a great job playing Maximus but yeah I think Maximus

[00:24:36] is a douche bag um action scenes were great yes and I do think the overarching mystery was fascinating.

[00:24:46] Yeah absolutely not to be the dead horse but yeah Maximus was insufferable for many of the episodes

[00:24:53] but not in a bad way in the in the way that oh god I really hate this character and I want him

[00:24:58] to either get better or get some comeuppance for what he's been doing and are we ready to

[00:25:03] move on to our final piece of feedback uh yeah this he's our number one fan let's everyone give a drum roll

[00:25:18] to Kevin Youngblood Kevin contacted us via the contact form and was the first person

[00:25:26] to send us feedback either through email or contact form when Kevin sent us this feedback he said

[00:25:33] I listened and was disappointed that you all hadn't played the games all of the in-game lore is tongue

[00:25:39] in cheek it is not a serious look at the fall games f civilization from your review of the first

[00:25:45] three episodes I've gathered that you don't have an understanding of the games going back to

[00:25:49] the wastelands game the origin of the fallout lore fallout is a hilarious interpretation of how

[00:25:55] capitalism fucked the future of mankind I'm going to listen just to compare my knowledge

[00:26:00] I mean I don't think that we missed the point about fallout being a kind of talking piece about

[00:26:09] how hyper capitalism ruins a country or even the world but I mean I don't really think we want

[00:26:19] to get political at all on this podcast you know we're just here to have fun we're just here

[00:26:24] to enjoy a series talk about what we liked about it I don't I don't think we're here for any serious

[00:26:30] serious conversation so yeah and also I think the whole thing Kevin man like I feel like I made

[00:26:38] it pretty clear I don't I didn't play the games and I feel like that's my whole standing here

[00:26:43] on the podcast you know Aaron's the expert and I'm the fresh fresh newcomer well I haven't

[00:26:50] played the wastelands game so I guess I'm not an expert in some sense of the matter I don't know

[00:26:57] that I would necessarily classify myself as an expert otherwise either I have played all of the

[00:27:04] main fallout games you know one two three four in new vegas I I get where you're coming from here

[00:27:10] about the wastelands game being the origin of fallout but at the end of the day it's not

[00:27:16] fallout so I don't think that it's all that important to understanding the fallout lore

[00:27:22] I I do think that it would provide some extra context maybe or give a few little easter eggs

[00:27:27] or insights but yeah at the end of the day fallout is fallout and wastelands is the inspiration

[00:27:33] for it so I don't feel that I'm missing out on too much by not knowing about it

[00:27:38] but thank you for your support Kevin it was good to know you've been listening the whole time

[00:27:43] yeah and you said you were gonna listen just to compare your knowledge even though we're not

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[00:28:48] sort of wrap up and theories on the next season we've we've been sort of talking about this

[00:28:53] as we've gone through some listener feedback but I've got a few more theories to talk about

[00:28:58] before we wrap up and I don't know do you also have a couple theories of where you think

[00:29:03] season two is going to go honestly I really don't because I know that you corrected me saying the

[00:29:09] the like end city that Hank saw was new Vegas so because of that I really don't have any theories

[00:29:15] since I didn't play the games I don't know like anything about any of the new Vegas lore so I

[00:29:20] mean I know they're it my only thing is that Lucy and the ghoul are probably going to track

[00:29:28] Hank down to new Vegas and they're gonna run into a bunch of shenanigans there but that's it

[00:29:34] yeah I definitely think so one of my theories for this season is I don't think that vault tech

[00:29:42] headquarters are in Vegas I think that Vegas might just be a pit stop for Hank along the way

[00:29:50] or maybe he's trying to find information it's entirely possible that he doesn't know where

[00:29:54] the big wigs at vault tech are like he's been frozen in the whole buds buds thing we don't have

[00:30:00] any reason to believe that bud askin's and his tri vault situation are in any way connected to

[00:30:07] the other vaults it seems like each vault operates pretty independently of each other

[00:30:11] yeah true I mean you hear Barb talking about it Cooper's wife uh how like every investor gets

[00:30:19] to basically buy their own vault to do whatever they want with so I'm assuming vault the trio vault

[00:30:26] is just a vault that bud basically owns and that's his little like science experiment you know his

[00:30:33] buds controlling the two vaults it's going to be interesting to see where we go with that

[00:30:39] because yeah I really don't think that vault 31 has any kind of contact with corporate

[00:30:45] we don't know even if corporate is still around wherever Barb is if Barb's even still around and

[00:30:51] her friends at the higher echelons of vault tech we we really have no idea if they're

[00:30:58] even survivors I'm sure that they wouldn't set up the ghoul looking for his family if

[00:31:03] he wasn't going to find out something significant about them being still alive or

[00:31:08] something but I don't know we it just still hasn't been confirmed whether or not

[00:31:12] they're even around yeah so another one of my theories here is I think that with the elder

[00:31:19] cleric's new faction of the brotherhood that he's making I think that we're going to see maybe a

[00:31:25] civil war in the brotherhood not even so much as like his chapter is going to be at war with

[00:31:31] the other chapters I think that when he goes off and does his own thing not everyone is going to

[00:31:37] agree with it and it's going to be him and his loyalists against people maybe like Dane or some

[00:31:43] of the other knights who don't agree with this whole new philosophy but then again the brotherhood

[00:31:50] is very brainwashed into just saluting and following orders so it's still possible that maybe they're

[00:31:58] the majority of them are going to go along with what happens here yeah I agree with you there

[00:32:04] I also this isn't so much a theory as it is just something that I'm wondering and hoping that they're

[00:32:09] going to answer very early next season what is the scope exactly of this cold fusion reactor like how

[00:32:17] far does this power we see the whole city light up but is it like the whole state of

[00:32:21] California is it just LA like I I didn't get a good idea did they say like infinite energy

[00:32:28] isn't that literally what they said they did but I just find that hard to believe you know I mean

[00:32:34] I guess if they they said it that's what they're going with but yeah I I don't know I have some

[00:32:40] doubts about the whole unlimited energy thing feeling nothing can be completely unlimited right

[00:32:45] yeah but it is fiction so that's very true we don't have power armor in real life either

[00:32:51] yeah so the brotherhood's definitely going to be taking advantage of anyone who wants to access

[00:32:56] the power and clean water I think that they're going to be controlling where this power goes as

[00:33:00] soon as they roll in I think they're going to start shutting off areas where the power reaches

[00:33:04] and like going off to do control like controlled areas I don't know what where I'm going with

[00:33:10] that but you get what I mean they're just going to try and take every opportunity to

[00:33:14] try and boost recruitment tax people I don't know they're going to take advantage of the

[00:33:18] situation yeah one of the big things I saw was people were complaining about the fact

[00:33:23] that Thaddeus still looks human when he's supposedly like a ghoul uh as someone who hasn't played

[00:33:29] Fallout or don't really know about that process what were your thoughts on when they said he was

[00:33:34] a ghoul I mean you see when he pulls out the arrow the places where he's been injured

[00:33:40] like heal over and look like ghoul skin so I feel like that doesn't really bother me I mean

[00:33:46] it's like as he sustains more injuries throughout his like life and that heals over he's going

[00:33:52] to become more ghoul looking yeah and that was always the impression that I got is ghouls didn't

[00:34:00] look like that when they first started becoming ghouls and that radiation burns or other injuries

[00:34:05] just kind of turn them that way but I guess we never got official confirmation of that in

[00:34:12] in the games or whatever so even though that was my assumption I it seems like some people

[00:34:18] are disagreeing with that and that when you're a ghoul you just kind of become

[00:34:24] like a zombie but I like the way that they handled it everything that they did with ghouls has

[00:34:30] kind of built upon the existing lore in a way that I thought was interesting so yeah I mean

[00:34:35] I feel like to me it makes more sense that it's a slow transformation you know like

[00:34:41] you're hit with all this radiation and it like corrupts your body basically but like

[00:34:48] you don't just instantly wake up and your whole body is like ghoul ish and your nose is falling off

[00:34:54] and like everything like I mean that it makes more sense to me for it to be like a as you sustain

[00:35:02] injuries you look like Deadpool like I don't know that I don't know maybe other people see it

[00:35:10] differently but that's how I see it I would agree with that I think that it makes a lot more sense

[00:35:15] this way I personally enjoy the slow burn of maybe we'll see Thaddeus show up for a little cameo

[00:35:22] next season and he'll be completely ghoulified yeah that would be kind of fun to to see that

[00:35:28] progression the next lore inconsistency or just sort of change that they made was the squires

[00:35:36] in the show are all full adults right we don't see any children as squires I mean I assume they're

[00:35:43] all adults but none of the ages are ever revealed in the games all the squires are full on children

[00:35:50] like 12 years old oh my god yeah when you get assigned to a knight you're like you're a little

[00:35:57] kid and you start going on missions with them when you're a little kid kind of more like squires

[00:36:02] in medieval Europe where you would send your little kid off to go and squire for a night

[00:36:10] yeah so that was an interesting change they made I kind of enjoyed that change it makes the brotherhood

[00:36:17] a little bit less cruel to not be sending out 12 year olds into the wasteland without any power

[00:36:24] armor without much protection so that was a change I appreciated yeah was it just me or when they

[00:36:30] showed new vegas at the very end did it kind of look abandoned to you yeah I mean there were no I mean

[00:36:37] it was daytime so I know what you said about the neon lights but maybe that's why they weren't on or

[00:36:43] something like that I don't know uh or not daytime but like it was still light outside so like maybe

[00:36:49] that's why I don't know I mean but I think the fact that all the buildings were like basically

[00:36:54] still standing all the walls were up is gonna go to show that like it's still running in some

[00:37:00] manner there's a couple of theories that I have if new vegas is actually abandoned or has

[00:37:07] fallen there's a few really interesting ways that that could have happened first I'm gonna go in order

[00:37:13] of what I think is the least interesting to the most interesting here uh the ncr could have rolled

[00:37:18] in before their end and that could have been the way it happened I don't think the ncr would

[00:37:22] have managed vegas very well they could have gotten nuked like the ncr did they also could

[00:37:29] been the victims of caesar's legion which is this faction that exists in arizona and new Mexico

[00:37:35] or at least existed I don't think that they're around anymore but there is one final theory

[00:37:41] of what could have happened to vegas if it's gone and that is the tunnelers I keep seeing tic talks

[00:37:48] about that so in fallout new vegas spoilers for fallout new vegas is lonesome road dlc

[00:37:55] basically your main character courier six goes off to this place called the divide now the divide

[00:38:03] recently had nukes go off and you travel through there to try and figure out what happened and

[00:38:12] you eventually go through all these audio messages you come across these creatures called the tunnelers

[00:38:18] which are these humanoid creatures that have been living underground basically since the

[00:38:22] bombs dropped they're like irradiated I'm assuming humans who have developed glowing eyes and just

[00:38:29] lived underground now when the hopeville divide nukes went off it disturbed the tunnelers underground

[00:38:35] and they started to come to the surface one of the main characters in this dlc ulysses tells the

[00:38:41] courier that within a decade or so the tunnelers are going to have spread across the entire

[00:38:46] mojave wasteland and come up and destroy everything with the rate that they're spreading

[00:38:51] if that remains true in the series it would make sense that new vegas is gone because of the tunnelers

[00:38:56] do you have any thought I know that you haven't played the game so you probably don't have too

[00:39:01] much to say about this but would that be something you would be interested or interested in seeing

[00:39:07] is this sort of ruined vegas that's been destroyed by these humanoid mutant creatures

[00:39:12] I mean I guess it would be interesting but I think it'd be more interesting to see

[00:39:17] what remains of vegas like as an actual city you know and it's also worth mentioning that

[00:39:23] Bethesda game studios didn't really want to pick an ending for fallout new vegas they didn't want

[00:39:29] to pick one canon ending so they tried to avoid leaning in any one direction when they made this

[00:39:34] fallout series but if they're going to vegas in season two they kind of have to pick an ending

[00:39:39] because any one of the endings that happens in fallout new vegas is pretty instrumental to

[00:39:44] who controls vegas who's still alive so if they plan on making that a focal point they will have to

[00:39:49] make a decision I mean for all we know the tunnelers are going to start attacking vegas when they get

[00:39:55] there that's true there's just so many unanswered questions so many interesting ways that they

[00:40:00] can go with this another thing that people have sort of been saying online doesn't add up is

[00:40:06] when the bombs dropped on shady sands people are saying that it doesn't really make sense

[00:40:11] fallout new vegas happens in 2281 we don't get an exact date of when the shady sands bombs drop

[00:40:17] but fallout on prime takes place in 2296 so that's 15 years after fallout new vegas I think that's

[00:40:25] a pretty or sufficient window of time for the nukes to have dropped you know maximus seems

[00:40:30] like he's about maybe 10 11 years old when the bombs drop on shady sands would you agree

[00:40:36] with that I mean I thought he looked more like he was a like fucking nine or eight or whatever

[00:40:43] yeah so even going with like eight or nine that would put him in his early like yeah sort of early

[00:40:50] 20s at the time I mean yeah I guess that timeline does make sense yeah I don't think that it really

[00:40:57] it doesn't confuse me too much personally I think that if fallout new vegas takes place in 2281

[00:41:03] the very earliest the bombs could have dropped was late 2281 after the events of new vegas which in all

[00:41:09] likely could and all likelihood it could have been then so I don't know I nothing about that particularly

[00:41:16] bothered me I mean the timeline does make sense because what lucy is 22 I believe

[00:41:23] and yeah I mean if the bombs basically dropped when she was probably like fucking

[00:41:32] I don't know like 10 maybe because her mom abducted her and then her dad re- abducted her

[00:41:39] I mean that timeline makes sense to me she had to have been pretty young when all that happened

[00:41:44] yeah if she doesn't remember any yeah true probably like fucking

[00:41:48] five or something but that time I still make sense to me yeah I think so too I think it makes sense

[00:41:55] and we only saw the enclave for a really brief period of time at the beginning of episode two

[00:42:01] and I wonder if they're gonna fit in more in season two or if they're just gonna

[00:42:07] stay in the background like they were in season one you have any thoughts on if they're if

[00:42:12] they might use them more if they might become the bigger villains of the series I don't know

[00:42:17] I'd love to hear what you think I'm I can only assume they're gonna show up again considering

[00:42:23] they were trying to get that zilt wheels a guy again like I mean they literally posted up about

[00:42:32] fucking wanted what they put like a bounty on him so I mean I'm assuming they're maybe they're

[00:42:39] gonna be in conflict with the brotherhood for the cold fusion thing we mentioned last episode

[00:42:46] that we both think that there's still other enclave or not enclave uh ncr remnants out there so we

[00:42:52] might see this kind of three-way war between whatever's left of the ncr whatever's left of

[00:42:57] the enclave and this new faction of the brotherhood which all seem to be in relatively

[00:43:04] similar states of not having a ton of resources so whoever ends up with that final say or final

[00:43:12] control over the cold fusion technology they're going to be the ones who come out on top it seems

[00:43:17] pretty crucial for any of them going forward to stay alive as an organization yeah all right as

[00:43:23] far as my theories which there were quite a few of them I think that's it for me uh do you

[00:43:29] have any final thoughts before we wrap up here no all right yeah this has been a really great season

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