Aaron and Richard face tackle the second season finale of Fallout and discuss all of life's important questions. Where is Cooper's family? Will Lucy and Max survive the Legion? How on earth did the hair and makeup department nail every single part of this show? Tune in and find out!
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00:17 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome back to the Radioactive Rambling's podcast where we are here and ready to defend ourselves from any bad reviews with a pool queue and a roulette wheel my name is Aaron and my name is Richard today We're gonna be talking about fallout season 2's finale titled the strip but before we get into that Aaron.
00:36 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing today?
00:38 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing pretty good.
00:39 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I have been playing some shadow of war and getting my Lord of the Rings fix What have you been up to lately?
00:47 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, dealing with those evil residents, three.
00:51 --> 01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I keep getting, every time I boot up my PC, the Epic Games launcher, automatically launches, and it keeps shoving Resident Evil Requiem in my face and telling me that I should pre-order it.
01:07 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I never played one.
01:09 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish that my computer would shove Leon Kennedy in my face, or you kidding me?
01:14 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, we should probably get into a fallout because there's a lot to talk about in this finale.
01:24 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Things are crazy, things are happening.
01:26 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we do that, you want to let people know how they can get in contact with us even though we're going to be in off season for a little bit.
01:34 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah, we've got a plethora of ways to contact us.
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01:54 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we really, we really got a lot going on.
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02:22 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:23 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So, with that being said, do you have anything that you would like to say to the people before we get into our story arcs?
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any confessions?
02:30 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I have some confessions.
02:32 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the death club boxing was the coolest fucking thing we've ever seen and fall out.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly.
02:39 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was pretty awesome.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
02:43 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of anything that tops it at this point.
02:45 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some liberty prime shit, but like seeing that, all that was going through my head and probably your head too is just hell yeah.
02:55 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's a good time to mention that from here on out,
02:59 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_00]: full spoilers for both seasons of fallout and whatever we feel like talking about from the fallout games because we do like to bring a lot of lore and little game details into our podcast here.
03:12 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So be warned if you have not seen the episode or you have not played the games and you're planning to and you don't want anything spoiled for you.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Now is a good time to exit.
03:23 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, odds are there's going to be decent spoilers, at least mentioned from each of the games, because we got a lot to talk about this episode.
03:32 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know where to start, Aaron, what you got.
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a question.
03:38 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the death club box thing is, does that going to be a winter Olympic sport?
03:42 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is that a summer Olympics type of deal?
03:45 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I think it's cool enough for deserves to be in both.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great point.
03:50 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any sports that compete in both Olympics?
03:53 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there are.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there?
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
03:55 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really pay that much attention to the Olympics.
03:59 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be real.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't either.
04:01 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I have not watched a single minute of the winter Olympics.
04:04 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard there's some bad things happening on the ice, someone said it was melting.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw them like that.
04:10 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw, like I've seen some clips of like the figure skaters, because strangely enough, that's what I'm getting in my recommended is figure skating.
04:19 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're popular right now.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They're really getting coverage.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and they're great.
04:26 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like, I don't know really anything about it.
04:29 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just, it's just like, hell yeah, that, that dude just, or that girl just spun 20 times in the air in half a second, like, that's so cool, but I don't know if that's like,
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an appreciation for the sport.
04:45 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And what we're talking about our appreciation for death glob boxing, we might as well just get writing to Max, Vadius, and the whole free cider plot line that we had in this episode.
04:57 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:57 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so obviously, I know we've been talking about it all fair for weeks now.
05:03 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Maximus probably had or at least is tied for the number one story arc this season and this finale really cemented that for for me.
05:14 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have to agree.
05:16 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the way that they wove flashbacks to the cold open that we got, I think it was episode two or three where Maximus is surviving the destruction of Shavey Sands.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's with his father.
05:30 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And he hears in his head his father's voice telling him.
05:35 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: your good boy, you're going to be a great man or you're going to be a good man.
05:38 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's important to him in that moment when he is down on his lock.
05:44 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He is struggling against the death clause.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Just that desire.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to be a good person.
05:51 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I've been trying to do my whole life.
05:53 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I know how to do it.
05:55 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, a true hero.
05:57 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that guy, you know, obviously he was boxing the death clause in the power armor, and that's great.
06:02 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I think the real testament to Max Mrs. character is that after he got out of the armor, he picked up some garbage on the street.
06:12 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not garbage.
06:12 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He picked up his pool queue and roulette wheel.
06:15 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: and he unarmored in a t-shirt and like cargo pants just went out of death claw.
06:22 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he didn't have to fight it directly because of that NCR Ranger, but like he was going to, and I think that's what counts.
06:32 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the most unrealistic thing in this universe is that anyone
06:44 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get that because even even if you play through like the cleanest possible by like our playthrough of a follow game, you're gonna do some nasty shit.
06:56 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: People are gonna die.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What a white T-shirt even exists anymore.
07:02 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is stained.
07:04 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only way that people would get white stuff is from the vaults, but it wouldn't stay white.
07:11 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, he was in the vault like he was in vault, uh, whatever that actually kind of makes sense True.
07:19 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they have washing machines in the brotherhood or is that like taboo tech?
07:23 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They might have washing machines, but I'm sure that they still like do wash stuff like hand wash it
07:28 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:29 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look like a lot of people are washing themselves or they're clothing in this universe, but it may be the more organized folks are.
07:36 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the strip is too nasty or vagus in general is too nasty, but I just keep thinking back to the guy in season one who's in literally like a trashed diaper in front of the like water
07:51 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Pump and he's putting sand into the water pump when Lucy is on her way to Philly and like the first episode or second episode You know what I'm talking about Maybe I'm gonna have to like look into this afterwards, you know do some research Anyway, it's not important my point is that everyone is filthy and 100% Everyone should take a bath in the nearest Non-arradiated water source that they can find
08:19 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Except 30, he's doing great.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: 30.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just kind of rotten away.
08:24 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if a shower would save his ass.
08:27 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's rolling in cash though, after all that.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have to assume.
08:33 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: His bets got to be disqualified, right?
08:36 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't bet that someone is going to win and then get out there and start shooting at his enemies.
08:41 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's...
08:42 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they didn't learn.
08:46 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You could, but even if they did allow it, the NCR rolls in at the last minute and saves them.
08:51 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So is that he is going to be a rich man next season or is he 500 caps down?
08:56 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He is not 500 caps down.
08:58 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That man better have, he at least better keep the 500.
09:03 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the fact that everyone lived through that experience should be enough to win him the bet.
09:14 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They were all going to fucking die, and the fact that not a single person except for that one old dude was just like whatever he's dead is insane
09:25 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know the character's name, but I just think of him as Abraham from the bear.
09:31 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But he was great in that moment where he sees Maximus get out of the power armor, and you kind of get that spider-man moment, or he's like, it's just a damn kid out there.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we got to help this guy, we got to get him.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the no.
09:46 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: President's free side are, and it makes sense, like it fits for the world, that they don't go out and help.
09:52 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm hoping that we can get a similar moment later in the series where someone does step up and help.
10:00 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would like for his stand against the death clause to have a lasting effect at least the strip.
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so because at this point,
10:13 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Maximus has done enough heroism to inspire at least one person in that in the atomic Wrangler bartender or owner, whoever he is.
10:26 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has that power and has that ability to bring the people around him together a little bit.
10:35 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that Lucy sees that potential in him, the Google saw that potential in him, which is why he put him in the power armor, he's inspired that he is, too.
10:44 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think to be a better person.
10:47 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Thadys was kind of a dick at the start because he was just like, you know, they'd all beat Maximus up, which is horrible and, you know, Thadys talked about it in season one about how like it happened to him, so then when someone else came along that he could.
11:03 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: you know bully the fuck out of he did but that doesn't make it okay and i'm glad that he's really changing for the better plus i love johnny pepperton he's fucking hilarious yeah you know the development of their friendship has felt really natural
11:19 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it never felt ham-fisted like they had to sit down and talk to each other and say, you know, oh, we had our differences, but I guess we have to work together now.
11:28 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of this understanding of you and I have screwed each other over a little bit.
11:34 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I pretended to be someone I wasn't and bullied you.
11:37 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You kicked the shit out of me when we were in boot camp.
11:40 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're both in shitty situations, but then like two you get at the end of season one Maximus stalls them stalls the brotherhood so that fatty is can get away and I think that was also super like pivotal in their relationship changing
11:58 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.
11:58 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Max from the very beginning of this series, not share the brotherhoods views on ghouls.
12:05 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he didn't have anything inherently against the ghoul.
12:08 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have anything against that.
12:10 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He obviously saved those children from pallid and harkness in episode three or four.
12:16 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So he has a moral compass that's a lot stronger and more correct than a lot of the
12:26 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really hoping that, you know, as this show, the show continues, I do enjoy when like they make a character kind of go down the dark path for a bit, but I really hope they don't do that for Maximus.
12:40 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a better representation of him if they didn't do that.
12:47 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's an interesting thought because if anyone is going to fall, I think it's going to be Lucy.
12:56 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that we already have the goal who started off at that villain point.
13:01 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he comes into the show in the first season.
13:04 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's an antagonist for Maximus and some of the other folks he's trying to get the head from Lucy and hunt her down essentially.
13:12 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
13:13 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gone through a lot of development of becoming a better person in the wasteland.
13:18 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about him separate from Cooper Howard because at this point they really are just two separate characters and we haven't seen where one becomes the other.
13:28 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But you do see Cooper shining through in the goal a few times in this season as he makes choices that are a little bit closer.
13:35 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually really enjoyed the scene of Cooper and Maximus, it's like at the start of this episode where they're talking about what to do with the diode and, you know, Cooper kind of sees him himself or the Google sees Cooper, I guess, in Maximus when he's like, I want to give the diode to Lucy because she's a good person, she'll do the right thing with it, you know, that kind of thing.
14:01 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like, you know, he's got like a little grin on his face when Maximus says that and like that's a good scene for not only Maximus, but also for the goal.
14:13 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I
14:15 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the goal feels like he's doing it in a better way than he did because like you said, he had that moment where he felt that he was doing the right thing with the diode, the goal in the pre-war times and it turned out to be the wrong choice, of course.
14:33 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I do hope that
14:36 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Maximus made the right choice by giving it back to the goal in the end.
14:41 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And how probably still has it?
14:44 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He does.
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:47 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I have some theories about that, but we'll save it for the end.
14:50 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's necessarily true or not.
14:54 --> 14:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
14:54 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this is a good point to transition into talking about the NCR Captain Rodriguez from the first few episodes shows back up and she actually comes back with some NCR reinforcements.
15:08 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't wrong.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't delusional like a lot of us thought.
15:12 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the cool thought.
15:13 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: She genuinely comes back with an elite squad like there's a rangers in there.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There's
15:19 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's talk about that scene, right?
15:22 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a V-Ranger scene.
15:25 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron, I know we were in discord together, but how did that make you feel?
15:30 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It was such an awesome moment as a new Vegas player because that shot where the NCR Ranger is up on top of a building and is firing the 50 caliber rifle
15:44 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: that is almost a exact recreation of the opening of Fallout New Vegas that the flames or the explosion of the bullet coming out of the sides of the gun, like everything about it was just straight out of the game, and so it was really cool to see that come to life.
16:04 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, live action.
16:05 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Although I will say the one thing on a rewatch that kind of rub me the wrong way it almost looked like the Ranger was just a statue like there was no movement in that guy when he was firing the gun and it looked a little bit Yeah, on a second watch, but maybe that's just nitpicking But like I wouldn't say it's completely nitpicking because like a 50 cow.
16:26 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a lot about guns
16:28 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big fucking sniper.
16:30 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that is going to give you some recoil, some like effects, and we can totally say that the rangers just like that, because why not?
16:39 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is like that.
16:42 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But realistically, that shit's gonna kick back.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:47 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was one of the few times in this episode where I was a little like, okay, like that was really cool.
16:53 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love that scene more than I have issues with it.
16:57 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But it did come off a little bit strange at how flat and just still everything was during that moment.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:07 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if like he just like nodded to Maximus as like a, I got you type of thing like that would
17:16 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So I like I do get what you mean about that very static, but it was still cool, you know, rule of cool.
17:24 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, and you see the NCR marching in, they've got quite a lot of soldiers, but do you think they've got enough to defend themselves from the Legion?
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there more behind them?
17:34 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that just one little platoon out of their bigger force?
17:38 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: see I, I don't know.
17:41 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking that next season, I think you and I already talked about this off off my obviously, but I'm thinking next season is going to be very similar to, and not everyone's going to get this reference, but it's going to be very similar to Mistborn Book 2.
17:57 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a
18:00 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: vying for control of the strip because we've got a house we've got the NCR we've got the Legion we've got some things happening with the brotherhood but maybe they're gonna be off on their own but I could see I could totally see them coming to the strip if they find out you know word of mouth travels maybe they find out about the diode being there somehow yeah you mentioned the brotherhood I'm really curious about how they're going to bring
18:27 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: the brotherhood back into the story because they're really separated at this point.
18:32 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have any major characters who are there anymore.
18:36 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I could quintess.
18:38 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have quintess who we could, I guess, flashed to, but he's more of an antagonist than someone that we would really follow.
18:44 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Not that that stops them from making scenes about him, but they've also got Dane there who maybe could be a lizard figure of a character.
18:52 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, maybe they
18:56 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, into into more of like a, maybe not even like a main character, but like you know, we got we got a good amount of like for instance Hank this season or norm like maybe bring them up to that level at least where we get like a couple snippets and episodes
19:14 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be pretty cool.
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that we get something from them.
19:18 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Then again, we could always have a little bit of a break from the brotherhood and maybe they show up guns blazing at the end of the season and we see what they've been up to.
19:27 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I do want them to transition into whatever's happening in Colorado and
19:34 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: be a little bit more involved with that and less involved with the brotherhood because the brotherhood honestly didn't have too much involvement with this season once they lost the diode.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the other thing I want to talk about.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
19:51 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is maybe the right point to talk about the diode, but
19:56 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we need to see a little bit more of why the diode is so powerful and important.
20:05 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We keep seeing everyone get it and want it and it just keeps changing hands and we never actually see the effects of why this thing is so important for someone to have.
20:18 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: No one has actually benefited from the diode.
20:21 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: and it's getting kind of stale to watch people just hand it back and forth to no real end.
20:29 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I need someone to hold it for long enough that they can do something with it.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're gonna see that.
20:35 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I really do because Robert House has like 100% has the diode because it's still in that like in the lock store thing that he controls and like obviously people can blow
20:51 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: but he's probably not gonna let that happen.
20:55 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd hope, like, I,
20:58 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think House has is going to do something with it because like he's been he's wanted it for 200 years now and I'd assume in the 200 years his plans for it have probably changed thousands of times because I mean it's it's Mr. House he's he's fucking plotting some shit for sure.
21:17 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh absolutely for a little while after watching the finale the first
21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think so anymore.
21:29 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would make much sense for him to take it with him.
21:32 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's tracking down the on-clave and I think the last thing that he would want to do is bring the diode straight back to them, you know.
21:40 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which let's talk about the on-clave, just a little bit.
21:45 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which you got.
21:46 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck do you think they are actually being built up so well right now?
21:56 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I am so excited to see like that facility that we saw at the end.
22:01 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks like it's in some snowy mountains.
22:03 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what place has some snowy mountains?
22:06 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Great state of Colorado.
22:08 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
22:10 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to see some fucking crazy shit with the enclave, and if we're talking about crazy shit with the enclave, let's see some cool death claws, like some heavily experimented on death claws.
22:25 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm all for the show being creative with the mutants and giving us some variations or inventing new things like the Galper that was in season one was kind of a new design.
22:39 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had Galpers before, but that thing was an abomination in its own right.
22:43 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It was its own thing new to the universe.
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was cool.
22:47 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So like our normal
22:53 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No, what was different I guess is what I'm asking.
22:56 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They're more like regular salamander looking.
22:59 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just kind of smooth and they're kind of like stubby to like salamander things.
23:06 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They're a lot in the Far Harbor DLC of Fallout 4 and they show up a decent amount in Fallout 76.
23:13 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They are not an ex-lattle variety, but I like the ex-lattle variety a lot.
23:17 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that was cool.
23:19 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I think we've said before, I think unique mutants are a great thing to show off especially in the show because even though there are a ton in the games, you're not guaranteed to come across.
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, a unique variant of a monster.
23:37 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see a glowing one for forever in Fallout 4.
23:44 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, like that was something that I never saw.
23:47 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a myrler king.
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I only saw when I did the minute minute man.
23:50 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And like that's something that's pretty unique looking.
23:54 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Er, yeah, there's like more queues.
23:57 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those moments where you find like crazy and incredible creatures that you've never seen before, really define the game that feeling of oh shit, this is something that I should not have provoked and then you have to figure out how to deal with it.
24:15 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that feeling.
24:17 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they got it right in the show with that, and I think that they got the death clause really, really right.
24:24 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
24:26 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said though, give me give me some weird experimented death claw.
24:32 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a cyborg death claw at this point.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what have they been doing for 200 years if they don't have something like that?
24:39 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they're going to use Hank's new miniaturized mind control devices in order to control the death claws a little bit better.
24:47 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they have used mind control devices on death claws before the on clay was
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there a demon in the snow?
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: A mine control room?
24:57 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if that one was mine control or not.
25:00 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine if he left Cooper alone, probably.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:04 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of what I figured, because like, those things do not pass up an opportunity for a free meal.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they do not.
25:13 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They are blood thirsty and they will kill anything in their path.
25:18 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed that they had death clause as pack animals again.
25:21 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of shitty and fall out forward to see death clause as solitary creatures.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Great to see that.
25:27 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that we've talked about this in previous episodes, but please keep up the practical effects.
25:34 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of those death clause, most of the creatures, any of the ghouls, any all of the power armor.
25:40 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like 60, 70% practical, I knew you were going to, as soon as I said 60 to 70% I knew I had made a grave error, but the 60 to 70% of it is like practical effects and then they've got some CGI to make it look a little bit better and fill in the gaps and I think that's a great approach, keep it up.
26:06 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very, I mean, and it should be because this is Jonathan Nolan, but it's very Christopher Nolan ask and like he's one of the best directors of the, of right now.
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen Westworld?
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not, you know what I'm going to say.
26:22 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't put it on your list.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't put it on your list.
26:26 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not very good past the first like two seasons.
26:29 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, maybe maybe I'll watch the first two seasons.
26:36 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The creators of this show are the same people who made Westworld, and there's a lot of Westworld in this show.
26:44 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the whole Enclave reveal where they bring out, oh, this has been an experiment all along, and the people on the surface are just an experiment, and someone is watching you and monitoring you,
26:57 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_00]: taking notes to figure out how to use this experiment, use this information.
27:03 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very Westworld in a way that makes me a little bit nervous because they fumbled Westworld after a couple of seasons.
27:11 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that they go in a unique enough direction and don't follow the same poorly trot and path that they did previously.
27:22 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly believe this show, I don't think that we should see an end to the on-clave.
27:28 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this should just be a large cell of the on-clave, but I think that they should still be around.
27:36 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't want this to be like, oh, we took down the entire on-clave.
27:40 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather have that be the plot of a game.
27:43 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_01]: is taking down the rest of the remnants or whatever.
27:48 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think maybe this could be like the most important, like this could be the last major holdout, but then like all of the small ones still have like the boxes and stuff like that, maybe.
28:02 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
28:04 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think personally, I wouldn't mind if they took the Enclave completely off the board.
28:13 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a few factions in the Fallout universe that I wouldn't mind the creators of this show taking out of commission.
28:20 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if this show ends, and the brotherhood is mostly destroyed, or if this show ends, and the on-clave is almost completely destroyed, I don't mind that, I don't mind forcing, and this is all, like, the thus de game studios has to give any OKs on what can and can't happen with the greater story,
28:43 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The creators of this show can't just destroy the on-clave and call it a day if Bethesda has plans to use the on-clave in their future games, but I don't mind Bethesda having to invent some new people to throw at us and give us a little bit.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Hear me out.
29:02 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: give us a faction that's from a foreign nation that's like had bunkers that were nuclear safe give me give me China or Russia or fuck give me some Canadian holdouts I mean there's there's options that they have where they could just totally write in that another country had vaults and maybe they have the capability to cross the ocean or maybe you're maybe a game takes place in
29:32 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a whole planet, and I totally get that like sit, uh, centering Fallout games in the U.S. is great.
29:40 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's definitely room for for other plots across the world.
29:45 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that as soon as season one found as much success as it did, Xbox probably told all of their studios, probably not just Bethesda, they probably enlisted some other people as well and said we need a bunch of follow games, we need some spin-offs, we need some things to get out to people because
30:08 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the day, Xbox wants money from this property.
30:12 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why they agreed to this in the first place.
30:14 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is their ticket.
30:17 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is gonna be a franchise that is gonna make them so, so much money.
30:22 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's hope they don't ruin it with AI because the Xbox did make an announcement.
30:26 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about that actually while we're on this topic because, yeah.
30:31 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're not like creator creators here.
30:35 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't use AI, obviously, because that's so cheap and lazy and like listen, there are uses for AI.
30:42 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I 100% believe that, but I don't believe that I don't believe that we want an AI executive to also be the head of the game's division at Xbox, like that sounds horrible to me.
30:57 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really don't like it and I don't like the fact that when Phil Spencer the CEO of Xbox came out and said I'm retiring the person and I can't remember name but the woman that was going to like that was going to be like his successor is also out I think ready.
31:16 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's resigning as well, which tells me things aren't good and that the direction that the company is going is one that people don't want to be there for and that worries me please stop like if they go the AI route, I think I think I'm never buying anything Microsoft really,
31:39 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And in a recent interview with Todd Howard, he's the big guy at Bethesda Game Studios if you don't know that if you're just to show only watch her, Todd Howard is like
31:48 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: the czar of fallout and he's the Kaiser of fallout and elder Scrolls.
31:55 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And he came out and said, you know, AI, we look at it as a tool to help us, but we will never put anything AI generated in front of you.
32:05 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We support creative people creating real things and we're not going to do that to you.
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So I trust him.
32:12 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: for as long as he can be in power over there.
32:16 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like I will say, while we're talking about AI, I do believe there are uses in video game.
32:24 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like in RPGs specifically, for instance.
32:28 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that like, because like I saw someone talking about, um, you know, Instagram, TikTok, whatever, something about like, it would be cool if we had
32:37 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_01]: AIV like NPCs that we could actually have conversations with like you speak into the mic they talk back and I think that's an interesting idea would be cool for like it'd be cool for immersion in an RPG but then they have to like if the AI is impersonating someone's voice or doing someone's voice that voice actors still deserves
33:00 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: month like they need to make a living obviously and if they're getting if they're being puppeteered by AI then they need to get something for that like they can't just do that you know yeah i think there's an ethical way to go about a system like that i think that's a really cool idea and a good thing to bring into video games like
33:20 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: higher a voice actor and tell them we need so many lines from you so that we can create a voice that's going to sound realistic like we need you making these specific sounds, whatever.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it works.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
33:34 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the farthest from an AI expert.
33:38 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But even though you programmed AI Richard, I did program.
33:42 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, that was
33:47 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just it just throws in random references from books double-may cry and resonant evil Exactly, and you got AI Richard right in front of you, but I think that there's an ethical way to go about Weaving AI into games to make them more immersive
34:04 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: As long as you're respecting creatives and people who are working in this industry, it's great.
34:10 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You just, I don't want to see a future where people's voices are being stolen for the purpose of making games and making money and you have voice actors who are now out of jobs because of it or you have programmers who are now out of jobs and you have studios who are throwing out
34:27 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: basically AI-generated slop code for bugs and things are going wrong.
34:34 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the future that I see with Xbox at the moment and I hope that they prove me wrong.
34:39 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
34:40 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot believe that of all the, of the two major companies, I guess the three major companies, I cannot believe that Xbox is the one that is likely going to start with AI.
34:53 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised on the Sony and Nintendo, though.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:59 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will say about Sony, and we should probably get back to the finale after your death.
35:05 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We can include our RAM.
35:07 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Sony has a track record of supporting creative individuals with the game.
35:14 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that a lot of studios are able to execute their creative vision under the Sony banner and crank out some really awesome unique games.
35:23 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not surprised that they haven't gone that route.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that this isn't a trend.
35:27 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose it's just like, I guess my thing about Sony is that I feel like they do a decent amount of like, maybe not shady shit but like, I don't know, I feel like Sony's got some shit going on, and they under pay people, they definitely, they've had some like,
35:48 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Fire, I don't even know.
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they've had their things is what I'm trying to say I guess.
35:52 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I was expecting them to go forward with that Or Nintendo because Let's be honest.
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They have not been creative on Pokemon in years.
36:02 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: They have been creative on very much and They love to sue people so I don't know lawsuits generative AI and all it all goes into the same
36:13 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_00]: into the same hat for me, but let's get into the pre-war plot and talk about barvin coupe.
36:22 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This really shocked me.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it was going to end like this.
36:25 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think that coupe would be going to jail.
36:28 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: How did you feel about this resolution?
36:31 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think that's interesting.
36:33 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he's going to get out at some point or not think he's going to get out.
36:40 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's going to get out because he did the birthday party season one.
36:44 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's going to get out.
36:46 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to put some stress on their marriage clearly because one of the people at that birthday party actually mentions that he, they think he's got to pay an allimony.
36:55 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And that quote totally could be a mislead because like who actually knows about what's going on in his private life could just be public scandal type shit.
37:04 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also, there's a reason he wasn't with her and why he's still not with her at this point in the story.
37:16 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_00]: because at the end of this episode, or at the end of this plot line in the episode, we do see Cooper telling her, I'm going to take the fall, you need to pretend like you know nothing.
37:27 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that if they want to keep up the act, that this was a major betrayal and that Barb had nothing to do with it and that she shouldn't be punished or gone after in any way, shape or form, them getting a divorce,
37:43 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: is a pretty good cover for the whole thing, and especially if the two of them know in some way that the end of the world is on the horizon, it's still on the table, like then, even if the president, Mr. Krabs, was a good dude, there's still no guarantee that he hasn't
38:08 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: like it's still very much a possibility and so I do agree that like it's good for her to be working at Vault Tech still.
38:17 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that A Cooper wants to do the right thing, but I think that also up there in his list of priorities, of course, is the safety of his wife and his daughter, and Barb is their ticket to safety if the bombs go down or go off.
38:33 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
38:36 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Barbon Coop have this little interaction where Barb says we should go to Baker's field, get away for a little while and Cooper suggests Colorado instead.
38:47 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I threw a message in the discord because I knew we wouldn't be getting to this for a while, but I did give a little bit of info about what Colorado means to the fallout universe.
38:58 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Originally, no, this is kind of a deep cut.
39:00 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's really fallout tactics, yes.
39:04 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Part partially fallout tactics is in Colorado, but it goes even deeper than that because before Bethesda, sorry, I remember Van Buren, right?
39:15 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Van Buren is a project, let's go, I'm locked.
39:17 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
39:18 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So originally, before Bethesda got the rights to fall out and were able to make fallout three,
39:25 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: a company called Interplay and their subsidiary black aisle studios, they were the folks in charge of fallout.
39:33 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They were making fallout three, which was co-named van Buren.
39:37 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It was going to take place pretty much from Eastern California, like the capital of the NCR and stretch all the way through Utah into Colorado.
39:49 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It was going to be the map was going to be really
39:53 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not as impressive as it sounds when you realize how those games, the first two were set up.
39:58 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit easier to pull that off with that style of game, but it was going to be in Colorado, and it was going to be the introduction to the Legion, and there was going to be a lot of stuff.
40:09 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of the ideas that didn't get used for Van Buren got recycled and turned into Fallout New Vegas because the people who worked on the original Fallout games,
40:21 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They went founded of city and games, which is the company that made fall into Vegas.
40:26 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why they brought in a lot of that stuff.
40:30 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, this is my long-winded way of saying, season three is going to be in Colorado.
40:36 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to have so many deep cuts to the unfinished van beer and stuff.
40:40 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of van beer and has taken on this urban myth and legend kind of status in the fallout universe.
40:49 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, rant over.
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do that a lot.
40:53 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We ran full.
40:55 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you excited to see some of this stuff?
40:58 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see if they continue the vault zero thing.
41:01 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that was supposed to be in Manbure and obviously wants it.
41:05 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't tactics, but tactics is not canon.
41:11 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
41:11 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting my wires crossed.
41:13 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There's too many wires and none of them really make sense.
41:16 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and none of them are really important because at this point, they could go to Colorado and say, absolutely none of the ideas that were in those early games or in the non-canon spin-offs.
41:29 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: None of those are going to exist.
41:30 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to pull what works for the story and leave out what doesn't, and I think that's a approach.
41:36 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been having my own, I've been crossing my wires a lot with spin-offs being canon and non-canon, because yeah, you know, like I said earlier, and like I've been yapping about relentlessly Resident Evil.
41:50 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like 30 games in the Resident Evil series, but only like 12 of our canon.
41:57 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, I'm like, I'm not playing, I'm not playing with an evil one.
42:02 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not playing again from 1996.
42:05 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think is one.
42:09 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's from, it's got fixed camera angles.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's as janky as the first double make cry.
42:14 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing that shit because I hated the first double make cry, even though I,
42:20 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a love hate relationship because it's cool.
42:22 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so janky and old, but it's fun.
42:25 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't blame you for not playing this.
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, don't play Fallout Tactics.
42:30 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't play Fallout.
42:32 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna play it all of the Fallout games.
42:34 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Those two games are really...
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not it.
42:38 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're gonna play an older follow game play one or two, they're both pretty fun despite their age.
42:43 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, I should kick your fucking ass.
42:46 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I should kick your fucking ass.
42:48 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: President of the United States, who the hell do you think I'm talking about?
42:52 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is your power arm?
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You have that low line of the soundboard, right?
42:55 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: not right now, but I I think I've put it in a few times.
42:59 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Follow two has some really great voice lines from the on-clave that that was where the on-clave was first introduced so I'm sure that
43:09 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that fallout season three is going to have a lot of fallout season two on clay references along with the Colorado stuff, but this creepy phone call that coop gets from house when he's in the airport.
43:25 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I like how all of the phones start ringing and everyone in their little 1950s style airport with their
43:37 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: sideways like no one really reacts that much or goes to pick up the phone and somehow Cooper goes and does that and nobody is really no one cares.
43:48 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was a little it was creepy for sure.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It was creepy and it was very like
43:56 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the best way to put it is like a video game me yeah like you know the phone's ringing it won't stop ringing until you pick it up regardless of anything else which it should feel like a video game I mean it's it's the fallout show
44:09 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we already talked about coupe giving or taking the fall for cold fusion, but we do get one final detail, which is that Cooper is a better wingman than he intended to be and Stephanie and Hank got they alope to when they were in Vegas, which is of course a very Vegas thing to do and
44:34 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: it's it's interesting to me though that so we don't know how long this is like until the bomb drop I don't think I don't think we have a date maybe we did but I don't know it's certainly we've got some time but why the fuck did he tell staff about the unclear shit like about his pit boy in that box he should not have done that that's that's insane
45:03 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Hank at the time of the bomb's dropping is very, very different from the Hank that we see in this turn.
45:13 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: True.
45:14 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, he did a lot of growing up in between when he got thought out and when we see him.
45:21 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:21 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this Hank hasn't bombed an entire city of 40 people.
45:28 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know.
45:29 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
45:32 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that.
45:33 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, Hank could have dropped the bombs himself.
45:36 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I doubt it, but any final thoughts on this whole free war plot line before we take a quick break and then move into Lucy and Hank?
45:46 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've talked about this before with you off Mike, but I've put this out on the airwaves.
45:50 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really hoping that Koop finds his family this season and that we can be, and it's not because I don't like it.
45:57 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But if we've finished up the flashbacks to pre-war, like him getting Jayney to the vault and whatever, like leads up to that point in the story, I would love to see if the next, however many seasons after, we just see Cooper in the early days of the apocalypse, becoming the Google.
46:15 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, or at least like snippets of the 200 years that he's been doing this because there's so much cool stuff that I'm sure he's done.
46:25 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, for sure, they could make a whole spinoff show about his adventures in the wasteland.
46:30 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure so yeah, but do you think like eventually the pre where plot line all that are you saying like it's going to catch up to where we are now like we're going to see eventual or some gradual things or is it going to just take us into him becoming a ghoul and then we're going to figure it out from there.
46:47 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, so the way that they do their flashbacks, we've talked about it on this episode actually a lot.
46:54 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's really well done with like the whole side by side kind of things, how it mirrors the past mirrors, the present with him.
47:02 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see the flashbacks of him getting Janie to the vault, getting Janie to Barb, and then I'm assuming he's probably too irradiated to go into the vault at this point.
47:12 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: or he just can't get in because he's not on the list, whatever, you know, few different ways they can go with that.
47:19 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would love to see him getting hurt to the vault, getting hurt to safety.
47:23 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: leading up to him getting them both out of the Colorado like involved if they're in like cryopods or whatever, you know what I mean?
47:31 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be a cool way to do it.
47:35 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
47:35 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that he does need to find his family next season.
47:38 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the Cooper finding his family plot line is in a similar place to the diode where we need to see some resolution and move on with it.
47:50 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure because then like if they're around if the family's around then we get more information on the onclave through barb
47:59 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We also get to see what the hell like how he's going to be received by Barb and Janey which I think will be interesting since he's super disgusting compared to what he used to look like granted people still thirsty over the Google so they do and you know what I don't think that they're right for that he's he's a corpse a walking corpse yeah
48:26 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
48:28 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Lee.
48:28 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's just that charismatic, I guess.
48:31 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, he really, like, one Goggins got the flow.
48:34 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He does.
48:35 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: What we're talking about people who have the flow.
48:37 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to talk about, we've already gushed about the hair and the makeup and all of this season.
48:44 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Barb, the way that they always have her hair done up in the like 1950s style,
48:49 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They, they heard makeup department in this show are just so good at the period specific, like 50s, 60s looks.
48:57 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And Francis Turner is Barb.
49:00 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They really, actually think about her is perfect.
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
49:04 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: She ate it up.
49:06 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: She ate it up.
49:07 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a side tangent, not even a tangent.
49:10 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take like 30 seconds and be done.
49:13 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: While we're talking about 50s hair and makeup department style stuff like that, I just want to bring it up because I know we watched it and I really liked this part.
49:23 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Pennywise in welcome to Darry had like the 50s style curls and I think that was great.
49:29 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope we see that continue on like in each season like like all right give him a 20 style haircut give him a or a
49:42 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, welcome to dairy was awesome.
49:45 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You should all watch it and you should all listen to the lorhouns coverage of welcome to dairy because that was also equally awesome.
49:52 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Great show.
49:54 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But any final thoughts on our friends, barbon coupe and Jayney, our close personal friends, close friends.
50:04 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no, no other.
50:06 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No other thoughts on our close friends until after the ad break.
50:11 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
50:11 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
50:12 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's take a quick break and then we will be back to talk about Lucy and Hank.
50:19 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And we are back to talk about Lucy and Hank Richard.
50:27 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Was Lucy doing the right thing, but yes.
50:29 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just willing to well share this misery.
50:31 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That like state that she was in, like that's a nightmare for me.
50:37 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Being a decapitated head.
50:41 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: or disembodied head is just not on my list of things I ever would want happening, especially then if I was being used to take the will away from, however many people he had hooked up down there.
50:57 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, probably what 50 people will say.
51:01 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If I was doing that on top of being a disembodied head after 200 years, and all I tried to do in my normal life
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: horrifying.
51:14 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, I'm with you.
51:15 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Lucy was absolutely doing the right thing by putting her down.
51:19 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that if anything if she had left her there, I would have really judged Lucy and thought less of her as a character, if she had, well, couldn't.
51:28 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I understand like not lying to kill someone, but that woman was in misery.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not life.
51:35 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like Lucy's line where she's like,
51:38 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone just wants me to kill them all the time.
51:40 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on because it happened.
51:43 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess it didn't happen with Willzie because he took the pill Which kind of a nice guy for that, but then he had her cut his head off.
51:51 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah poor Willzie, poor guy
51:56 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is while she's still grappling with killing that guy that robbed the store naked, plenty of people do it.
52:03 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Plenty of people rob stores naked, happens to me every week almost.
52:09 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
52:09 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't do that.
52:11 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you, are you the naked person or are you the shopkeeper?
52:14 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the shop owner.
52:16 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it depends.
52:17 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If I sometimes, I'm the shopkeeper, sometimes I'm the naked person.
52:23 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a cycle because you go into a shop naked, you rob it and you take the person's clothes and then you have clothes, and then some other naked person comes and robs you in the stores, yours.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's really just this never ending cycle.
52:37 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, you know, generational trauma in a way.
52:40 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sometimes you're the hammer.
52:42 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you're the nail.
52:43 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_01]: A data remember said that.
52:48 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Richard, what do you think about miniaturization?
52:51 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it really the wave of the future?
52:52 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
52:54 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Dan, those little boxes.
52:56 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No one, you're not going to be able to tell a one people have a box in their fucking skull.
53:01 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so great.
53:02 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried about that next season.
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if we're going to...
53:06 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: have a whole plot line of like you don't know who to trust.
53:09 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone could be an on-clave spy because any of them have one of those.
53:14 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But see that and I'm going to circle back that's why I don't want the on-clave to be completely done after this because I would love to have that element of you don't know if they have a box in their neck brought into the follow games.
53:30 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be a cool
53:32 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_01]: thing, but at the same time, if they got rid of the on-click after this, I wouldn't, like, like, it just depends, I guess on how they want to do it.
53:41 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they did kind of tread that ground a little bit in the games with fallout for with the sense where you never knew who was a synthetic person and was a spy for the Institute or who was real.
53:54 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But they put it off pretty poorly in that game.
53:56 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I do, I really love fallout for, don't come for me.
53:59 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I know some people don't like it very much.
54:01 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that it's a very, it's a decent and fun game.
54:05 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that they executed a lot of the story
54:11 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: in a lot of the things that they wanted to have stakes, and I think that the whole anyone could be a spy, anyone could be a fake person, and you'll never know it, unless you kill them and rip the component out of their head yourself.
54:25 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or like, give me a side quest, but I have to I have to help someone do something, and then it turns out they were sent the whole time, and like, I'm helping them do some evil shit.
54:36 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that would have even improved the feeling of it more.
54:42 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was like a person that you get the quest from as soon as you enter like Diamond City, then you have like, you know, you don't have to do it, but if you do it, then you have that sense of, oh my God, this, I don't know.
54:58 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I think so, I'm sure.
55:01 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that this show is much better than the games at making choices and decisions, meaningful.
55:08 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The characters everything they're doing is having an impact on the world aside from the diode, which hasn't done anything for anyone.
55:15 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything that these people are doing, you feel the shock waves of it.
55:20 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You when the brotherhood enters that civil war, you know that that's kind of caused problems when Cooper gives the diode to house presumably that's going to go somewhere.
55:30 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: eventually, but yeah, everything should have an effect, and I think that we're seeing it with some of these paw lines.
55:42 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the cool rolls up and shoots Hank right in the ass and jingles his ass
55:59 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Dingo Dingo.
56:01 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he does, and I think that he goes right and merely a long after he shoots.
56:05 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, yes.
56:08 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Question, actually.
56:09 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:11 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If he had to pass the ammunition, what do you think he would?
56:15 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you think he would?
56:17 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he would praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
56:21 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's good to know.
56:24 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked this was some great character development for the goal, again, showing that he has grown a lot as a character.
56:32 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He's able to incapacitate Hank and give Lucy the choice of what to do.
56:38 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that not only shows a lot of character development for him, but
56:42 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_00]: but I think it shows that he really respects and cares about Lucy in a way that's not just superficial.
56:48 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't just use her to get his family back.
56:52 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He cares about her.
56:53 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They group pretty close over the course of this season traveling together and he doesn't want anything bad to happen to her.
56:59 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If it has to happen so that he can find his family, I don't think that that's the most crazy thing in the world for him to decide to do.
57:07 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if he was the best person ever,
57:10 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: your family that you've been searching for for 200 years or some random person that you have known for, I don't know, two months.
57:19 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty easy choice for me.
57:21 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first of all, like, let's not forget, he'd rank like a whole bottle of whiskey.
57:27 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's always on some drugs.
57:31 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, there's the goal, like, anti-goal shit that he, the hoffs,
57:37 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But we also, like, he's, he's on a lot of cabs.
57:41 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
57:41 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's not crazy to think that that had some effect combined with the, the whiskey and the 200 years without his family and like everything together.
57:55 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame him for making that choice, but I'm glad that he didn't kill Hank on glad that he is showing that he cares.
58:03 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I really thought he was going to just shoot Hank and we weren't going to get any answers out of Hank.
58:09 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead, we got a really good way of getting some answers out of Hank before he did the thing.
58:16 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
58:17 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love that little like many one-shot pistols that he slides over to Lucy.
58:23 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the the darender.
58:26 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, thank you.
58:27 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not know the name of it, but I felt that was good.
58:30 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, who else used a darender will history fact for you folks.
58:35 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_01]: John looks booth, unfortunately, but you know, it was used at least.
58:41 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did not know that, that's an interesting thing.
58:46 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's what he used to do what he used to kill us at.
58:52 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what he used to assassinate a Blinken or maybe he just had it on him.
58:55 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It was at the museum, I saw it way back in the day.
58:59 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, unfortunately.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, folks.
59:02 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_00]: radioactive ramblings will be transitioning into historical ramblings starting next week.
59:07 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You can catch us every every single day talking about a different U.S. president.
59:14 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with a fuck.
59:17 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The president of the United States, who the fuck do you think I'm talking about?
59:20 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that guy.
59:22 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Kimball?
59:23 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: President.
59:23 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:26 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Kimble was the president of the NCR in.
59:30 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whatever.
59:30 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same.
59:31 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's all the same.
59:32 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they live.
59:36 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They're, we talked about the MCR.
59:37 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, not the MCR.
59:40 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_01]: My bad.
59:42 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Russell, Minnesota, Minnesota, California.
59:44 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it doesn't work.
59:45 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I was talking about.
59:47 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what MCR is.
59:51 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: My chemical Rome.
59:52 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It took me a minute to get there, but I got it.
59:55 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
59:57 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:58 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what I'm yapping about.
59:59 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So Hank gives us a lot of revelations when Lucy is pointing the dare and geratum and has chipped him and sends him out onto the strip.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there was any point when Lucy and Hank were leaving the lucky 38 that the two of them were like, oh shit, there might be death claws out there or do you think they knew that there weren't any death claws out there anymore?
01:00:26 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think because the girl just kind of strode in like that, I think Lucy assumed that it was taken care of because she might be mad at the girl, but she knows he don't fuck around.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's very true when he
01:00:43 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: shows up somewhere, bodies are hitting the floor left and right, and he's a one man menace, that guy.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, as he says in the first in his first appearance as the goal, he does this shit for the love of the game.
01:00:58 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That is one of my favorite lines from the goal, and he's pretty fucking good at playing the game.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I I think he might be the
01:01:12 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You made me think of something when you were talking about the gold drinking and doing drugs.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I think of me on a Saturday night?
01:01:20 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
01:01:21 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: As of the lore in Fallout 76, it is canonical, I think, that alcohol and drugs help ghouls not go feral.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That is one of the methods that you can use to keep your feral meter from going on.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, because you're a ghoul.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's, it's pretty cool.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that system.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, it's pretty cool.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about these revelations that Hank brings up.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, the on-click is watching everything and the vaults have never been the experiment.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The surface is the grand experiment of the apocalypse.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?
01:02:09 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: See, I don't know.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have enough.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think... Fuck, I don't even know because I've been thinking about this for... Not like only thinking about this, but it's been in the back of my mind for a few weeks.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, and I really just can't...
01:02:26 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, because there's so much they could be thinking of what the, like, of plotting, I mean, maybe they just want to turn the whole plant, like they want to have the whole planet, only the Enclave?
01:02:40 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I will set minor spoilers for what the Enclave was planning and fall out to.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say that
01:02:49 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: what they were planning to do in Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 whatever this lore comes from is probably not where they're going to go with this in in the show.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But in the games the on-claves plan was to use data from the vaults and like gather it all up and figure out the best way to move forward with humanity and they were going to use all of the data from the experiments to
01:03:19 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: hop in some rocket ships and colonize a different planet, and leave Earth behind and start again somewhere else with all of, apparently, the recipe for humanity's success, which they were supposed to get from all of the data.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The on-claves goals have changed from time to time.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: There are some parts of the on-clave that instead want to kill every living thing on the surface and repopulate the earth after.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that Hank kind of falls more into that category than the colonizing space category.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that if they're going to do it, they're going to go for the start again, route on earth.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that seems easier to do for a show anyways.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think it would be kind of stupid if they go to colonizing space, right?
01:04:13 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that it, that's never really worked for me as a detail that the OnClave wanted to do.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It always kind of felt hollow and like, who really gives a fuck, who cares, I don't know.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: personally.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point, they didn't have to destroy the world.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They just had to get in the rocket and fuck off.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then they wouldn't have the social experiments in the vaults and apparently the surface.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: to do something for them.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what else do you got about Lucy and Hank?
01:04:51 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, their last little meeting.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: What, what do we think is going to happen with Hank moving forward?
01:04:58 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I really hope we don't see him again.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see Hank as a mindless drone off in the corner.
01:05:05 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that he has outlived his usefulness to the story at this point.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is a great time for the wonderful Kyle McGlocklin to exit stage left.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
01:05:22 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I...
01:05:24 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I somewhat agree with you in terms of like he's outlived his characters purpose because his character is essentially dead.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Hank McLean is dead from what we understand of this technology.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So like there's not a use for him in that capacity.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if well now he can't really go back to the vault because the vault they're probably
01:05:49 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: getting turned into super mutants or some shit like the normal followers.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not really an option.
01:05:57 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And even like with norms subplot, there's not really much for him to do because he's not.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little worried about what would happen if they keep him in the show, but at the same time, like,
01:06:13 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: writing him out would be kind of a hard thing to do to maybe unless they just send him to the wasteland to go live.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he's got to be somewhere.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Presumably Vegas is boxed in.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be surrounded by the Legion.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: No one is really going to get in or out of this place.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be full on siege mode.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that
01:06:41 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_00]: uh Hank can really go anywhere.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he will show up.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But can we just talk about what a fucking monster.
01:06:49 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He was willing to turn his daughter into basically a mindless drone and he knows that his little characters, his little sims, are just mindless drones to be controlled.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He was willing to do that to his own daughter.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Hank has always been like, I shouldn't take always.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Once we found out about like, what's up with Hank?
01:07:14 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been such just like a horrible person.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't understand if he believes, if he believes that he's a good father-aloo see, or like to see believe that he actually loves her, because if you do love someone, you cannot wait for their memory completely.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just like a normal thing that I feel like we should understand at our big age.
01:07:36 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Hank is one of those people who doesn't see any fault in what he's done ever in his life.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that in his mind it's always been the means are justifying the ends, and in this case the end is having his daughter like him.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, and just to find the means you
01:07:59 --> 01:08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The means do not justify the health, but you're right, but the answer justifies the means.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
01:08:05 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You get a little tongue twisted yet.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The answer justifies the means.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, I think it really does play into that.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And
01:08:17 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really wanted to believe that harming Lucy or erasing her memory was a moral line that Hank would draw.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to believe that at some point he would look at himself and say, this is a bridge too far.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the farthest I can really take myself.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But then to remember, he literally nuked his wife.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And 39 other people, yeah, I mean, he just, I wouldn't trust him to make it the right choice ever.
01:08:54 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be interested to see if, you know, there is one plot line that at least would be somewhat all right, they got a hand him over to the NCR, right?
01:09:05 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: say, hey, his mind's been wiped, but this is the fucking guy that bomb shady shant, shady sands, the, the, do with him what you will, that, like I could see that being somewhat acceptable as like a way to write him out to, because I'm not that I would want to write him off.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I like Kyle McLaughlin.
01:09:23 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I like, like I love seeing his tech box.
01:09:26 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's funny as hell.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need to issue an apology to you, Richard, because I think you were right about something.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: that you brought up earlier in the season that I kind of thought was wrong.
01:09:38 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that and now after watching this episode, I think you're right, there was a moment, a few episodes ago where NCR Ranger Greg from the White Lotus when he was serving Lucy and Hank and he is
01:10:01 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: and I thought that that was just him not really caring about what was going on.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And you said that you thought that he was kind of shutting down because of he was reminded of something from his past.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you were right.
01:10:14 --> 01:10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you why I think you were right.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: In this moment when Lucy and Hank are talking to each other after he's wiped his own mind, he sort of shuts down when he sees his daughter crying.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that
01:10:32 --> 01:10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That kind of like big emotional stimulus can make you shut down.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that being reminded of the military outfit that you were and the country that you served for 30 or 20 years in exile, that's a pretty big emotional stimulus to make you shut down.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that seeing your daughter cry is also probably a big enough emotional stimulus to make you shut down.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I fully agree.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: See, that's like something that's just been.
01:11:03 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of had canon that completely to myself.
01:11:08 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, now I've been just thinking.
01:11:10 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it works.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't even like think of it in that way.
01:11:14 --> 01:11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: When I saw that scene, but I'm glad that you brought that up, because like, yeah, I didn't even think about talking about that too much, but I'm, again, I'm glad you brought that up fucking.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: you in the end on that point and I'm right and I'm right so well it's not confirmed but I do think that I'm you're right I'm right it's all right you can admit it so I I don't have much more to say about Hank and Lucy I
01:11:45 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I like your idea that maybe we could get a little NCR trial against Tim next season for those direction of shady sands.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Any final thoughts before we talk about what's happening in the vault?
01:11:57 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Um...
01:11:59 --> 01:12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Nah, not that I can think of.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I might have like an epiphany in 10 minutes, but that's what it is, you know?
01:12:06 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You're always welcome to share your epiphanys with the class.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wonderful.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I love sharing with the class.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I dropped out of school.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about these vault dwellers a little bit.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We find Stephanie locked away in the overseer's office.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: She's pretty fucked here.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I must say.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because she's Canadian.
01:12:30 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I could understand being alive for 200 years.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I could understand being a murderer.
01:12:36 --> 01:12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Canadian though.
01:12:38 --> 01:12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I drove a line at Canadian.
01:12:40 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
01:12:43 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all of our Canadian listeners out there.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We love you.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't walk behind the ball.
01:12:49 --> 01:12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, why are you lying?
01:12:51 --> 01:12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm kidding.
01:12:56 --> 01:12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kidding.
01:12:56 --> 01:13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I am not patriotic at all these days.
01:13:00 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we love you in over there in Canada.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Please take us in, we're afraid.
01:13:05 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen some of the best concerts of my life in Canada too.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and I will be seeing one April 26.
01:13:12 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Love Ontario.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Great city.
01:13:17 --> 01:13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Toronto.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the city.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
01:13:21 --> 01:13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Toronto.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Great city.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say the other thing before.
01:13:25 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Toronto's great, dude.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, we're trying to go for like the whole day.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: This is turning into a different conversation.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So, we finally get the reveal of what was in.
01:13:36 --> 01:13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: hanksbox.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't expecting a pit boy.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of an interesting reveal, but it makes sense.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I was expecting low key like a dose of the FV or something related to FV, which I guess an on-clave pit boy is related, but you know what I mean?
01:13:56 --> 01:13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like actually related.
01:13:58 --> 01:13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:00 --> 01:14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This whole situation escalated really fast.
01:14:03 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You got the guy who screams death to management.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like damn worth a point of stringing her up.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is pretty, like class, class conscious rebellion.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they really, the vault dwellers have had their populist uprising pretty quickly.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that they're going to do too well without vault 33 management or vault 31 management.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to say that they aren't going to do well without a secret overlord like controlling them.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think they're all kind of stupid.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they can really rule themselves.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest.
01:14:40 --> 01:14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Davey for over-seer.
01:14:43 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that shit might be the best candidate.
01:14:48 --> 01:14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I think he'll have the support of everyone because he's the one who like figured all of this out.
01:14:54 --> 01:15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that idea of him being the fucking overseer or like the replacement overseer.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone is going to be the overseer.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they're all fucked.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Betty's going to need to step in and I think that because of everything she's been through this season, she might actually take another turn for the better straying from the vault tech bullshit.
01:15:19 --> 01:15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: and kind of using like we said the other day of the last episode like she's been a completely different person for 20 something years what she said to staff and like that I'm hoping really changes her character in the next season.
01:15:34 --> 01:15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I like Betty a lot I think that she is firmly on the side of being a good person I think that she is going to be the good element in whatever happens
01:15:47 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gonna be fucking great.
01:15:49 --> 01:15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Chet looked really happy when that angry mob was banging on Stephanie's door.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He looks so pleased with himself.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's gonna happen with Chet Jr though?
01:15:59 --> 01:16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something that I'm considering, like, especially if they all get dosed with FEV.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Chet Jr's half Canadian, so I think that he's just his guilty as Stephanie, you know.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I've heard enough, Kel, I get a get rid of him.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done.
01:16:17 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Stephanie is really going to start pumping FV into the vault with phase two, when she calls the on claim and tells them initiate phase two, they listen, they initiate phase two, they're going to, what we think is happening is that they're going to turn everyone into super mutants aka super managers.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just, would she really do that to her own child?
01:16:45 --> 01:16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the answer is yes, she didn't really seem to care about that kid if we're being honest.
01:16:51 --> 01:16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't have a name for him.
01:16:53 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they called him chat junior because didn't want to name him chat junior.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
01:17:01 --> 01:17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what people in the vault just called him.
01:17:04 --> 01:17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie did not see a love interest in chat.
01:17:07 --> 01:17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: She saw a built-in babysitter.
01:17:09 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And for a baby, she didn't care about.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she, she was very good at just latching on to someone and manipulating them.
01:17:20 --> 01:17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we obviously don't know about her stuff with Bert or really her life with Hank, but we can assume like she definitely was able to draw out
01:17:36 --> 01:17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it's something that he just told her without her doing some manipulative stuff.
01:17:41 --> 01:17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope we see that I'd be interested to see that at least next season.
01:17:47 --> 01:17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I very much get the impression that Stephanie is the kind of person that she is either in control of the situation or she is working towards being in control of the situation.
01:17:58 --> 01:18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no coast along and live your life happily.
01:18:02 --> 01:18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It is I am at the helm, everything that's happening is going to be because I want it to happen or I'm going to blow the whole world up trying to make that happen.
01:18:13 --> 01:18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she she's turned into great character this season she has I didn't think that we would see this much of of her and see her develop so much as a character I wonder This is a thought that I have throughout pretty much any season or any television show that gets more than one season is how much of this plot Was originally intended and how much of it was like thought out while they were writing the season two script
01:18:38 --> 01:18:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so you could see that effect kind of in like, strained your things because they didn't have they they originally were going to do like season by season anthology horror was the plan.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:51 --> 01:18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, it got so big and then it turned into what it did.
01:18:54 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And because they didn't have a plan for later seasons.
01:18:58 --> 01:19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't continue to think, hey, we're going to need another season after this.
01:19:02 --> 01:19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after this one and then after this one, I feel like
01:19:06 --> 01:19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a show that suffered from not being guaranteed to have more and more seasons.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas this now that we're at the point of like we've got multiple season confirmations after this because I think they said five is what they're thinking of.
01:19:22 --> 01:19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they've already confirmed four or five seasons.
01:19:25 --> 01:19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And that to me does scream that they have a general plan for what they call a logical end point.
01:19:35 --> 01:19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: the whole on-clave thing.
01:19:36 --> 01:19:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be season three is going to be setting up the on-clave as the villain for whatever the eventual finale of the whole series is.
01:19:45 --> 01:19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm interested.
01:19:47 --> 01:19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that they do something cool with it.
01:19:51 --> 01:19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: To implement to some, like,
01:19:57 --> 01:20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the bigger ones that I wanted to talk about, but I didn't want to devote a whole long section to, was the whole norm, and the vault 31, do our plot line.
01:20:07 --> 01:20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This was one of the kind of fell flat for me this season.
01:20:10 --> 01:20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It was whatever.
01:20:11 --> 01:20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I was interested in it up until, like, up until this episode.
01:20:20 --> 01:20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think.
01:20:24 --> 01:20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if Ronnie, like the guy who was trying to string up norm and everything, if he had survived him Claudia and Norm, being the three survivors would have been interesting because then they'd have like, there'd be a more interesting dynamic than just it's Claudia and Norm who like their buddy buddy.
01:20:41 --> 01:20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:20:43 --> 01:20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Or even if Ronnie was the only survivor that would have been cool.
01:20:46 --> 01:20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:20:47 --> 01:20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This, this, the Claudia doesn't know anything about the overarching plot with the on-clave, with the plot, like the, the plan.
01:20:57 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of, for me, is like, okay, she's just there now, like, yeah, I'm glad she didn't get fucking mutilated by a rad roach, I guess, but like She should have, I'm also not upset that she survived.
01:21:13 --> 01:21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that Claudia is still around.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that it doesn't make much sense that she survived.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if they were going to make her survive, have her be outside the room with norm.
01:21:23 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't need to be in there and survive the radroch thing.
01:21:28 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, all of those radroch is killed where they like, I know the one on top of Claudia had a screwdriver shoved into its head, but yeah, it just doesn't make sense to me that they manage to all trade with their radroch is except for her.
01:21:44 --> 01:21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it it felt a little too convenient.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
01:21:49 --> 01:21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spend too much time talking about it because it really was kind of a nothing burger of a plot line this season.
01:21:55 --> 01:22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing it accomplished was setting up what FV is for the audience already now.
01:22:02 --> 01:22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also getting norm out of the vault.
01:22:06 --> 01:22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a good story.
01:22:07 --> 01:22:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
01:22:09 --> 01:22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that by the end of next season Norm will definitely reunite with Lucy.
01:22:15 --> 01:22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That might be the only thing that I am interested in having Hank around for is when Norm eventually meets up with Lucy.
01:22:24 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be interesting to see him be like, oh shit.
01:22:27 --> 01:22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like him.
01:22:28 --> 01:22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the thing, is Lucy going to be like the, is Lucy going to be this big sister that shelters him from the truth of what her father did or is she going to tell him like, I don't think, I think she would tell him, but there's always that element of maybe she doesn't.
01:22:49 --> 01:22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that she would tell him I think that.
01:22:53 --> 01:23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: there's so much that she knows about their life story and their family that he just doesn't at this point.
01:23:01 --> 01:23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know anything about their father.
01:23:03 --> 01:23:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know that he grew up for a while living in shady sands.
01:23:08 --> 01:23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know how to kill their mom.
01:23:11 --> 01:23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: or not killed her but turned her into a fighter.
01:23:15 --> 01:23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, basically killed her and Lucy just put her out of her misery.
01:23:20 --> 01:23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm yeah.
01:23:22 --> 01:23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still thinking she won't tell him immediately because she's going to want him to like obviously adjust to wasteland life for a minute, maybe.
01:23:31 --> 01:23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But you never know, that'll be interesting, though.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What else do we got for these?
01:23:37 --> 01:23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause we already talked about like the on-clave stuff.
01:23:40 --> 01:23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about house, talked about the diode.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we already touched on the goal and his family.
01:23:48 --> 01:23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we can talk a little bit about how he like rolls up to their pods and their empty.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: When I, okay, I did rewatch this episode today.
01:23:56 --> 01:24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was, it really made me laugh
01:24:01 --> 01:24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The pods open and all of the thawing out stuff is happening special effects the smoke like the mist and everything Yeah, and then it pans over to Cooper and it plays really dramatic music And then it just goes cuts to the pod and it's empty and the dramatic stuff It was really funny.
01:24:21 --> 01:24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good way to like subvert your expectations though.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You know like I I think that that made that moment better Yeah, I
01:24:32 --> 01:24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that this happened.
01:24:34 --> 01:24:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that Cooper got a little bit of resolution.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He can find his family.
01:24:37 --> 01:24:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought they were going to be dead in there.
01:24:39 --> 01:24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that they're alive.
01:24:40 --> 01:24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:24:41 --> 01:24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I was worried.
01:24:42 --> 01:24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I said this to when we were watching.
01:24:44 --> 01:24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was worried, Janey was going to be dead.
01:24:47 --> 01:25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And barb was gonna thaw and then they were gonna have to You know, they were gonna have to like have a whole grief arc Over their kid and I thought it was gonna be some sad shit.
01:25:01 --> 01:25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thankfully we didn't get that I I don't want that to happen.
01:25:05 --> 01:25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that he's hopeful and then like like that I think was his last line is that like oh, I finally Have a lead or I finally have hope on where to find them like something like that and that's great
01:25:17 --> 01:25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
01:25:18 --> 01:25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I also wanted to talk about McColley Culkin becoming the new Kaisar.
01:25:24 --> 01:25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I liked that they just sort of set him up this season.
01:25:30 --> 01:25:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wish there was more screen time with him, obviously.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that he'll be a good villain next season.
01:25:39 --> 01:25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was pretty funny when he ate the paper.
01:25:43 --> 01:25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the you're in a war zone dude, there's fire everywhere.
01:25:48 --> 01:25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There's fire everywhere.
01:25:49 --> 01:25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Also no one's gonna come in and question like, hey, where's the piece of paper?
01:25:55 --> 01:25:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What'd you do with it?
01:25:57 --> 01:26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just gonna waltz out with the crown on and say, I'm the new guys are y'all can suck it and everyone's gonna believe him.
01:26:05 --> 01:26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we do get like
01:26:08 --> 01:26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like another, like it, that takes his place and starts to question it.
01:26:15 --> 01:26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would love a conniving unique.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a conniving unique right now.
01:26:20 --> 01:26:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a sparrace, yeah.
01:26:21 --> 01:26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
01:26:23 --> 01:26:26 [SPEAKER_00]: From Game of Thrones, he was a conniving unique.
01:26:26 --> 01:26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, or deep poll.
01:26:29 --> 01:26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: What about blue fingers?
01:26:32 --> 01:26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Blue fingers.
01:26:33 --> 01:26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
01:26:34 --> 01:26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I like blue fingers.
01:26:35 --> 01:26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a good guy.
01:26:37 --> 01:26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He was not a good guy.
01:26:38 --> 01:26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He was on to me.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a kind of having unit.
01:26:41 --> 01:26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Shit.
01:26:42 --> 01:26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: All of you should read Warbreaker.
01:26:43 --> 01:26:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's probably Brandon Sanderson's best standalone book besides maybe.
01:26:49 --> 01:26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.
01:26:52 --> 01:26:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even close.
01:26:53 --> 01:26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Isle's of the Amber Dark.
01:26:55 --> 01:27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll give you my bad on that at that at some point in the near future, but three years before you read it guaranteed for you.
01:27:05 --> 01:27:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a joke that I really enjoyed and I don't know if you clocked it, but
01:27:10 --> 01:27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: McCulley Colkan, I forget his character's name, but he, like it was Serta, like it was Serta.
01:27:16 --> 01:27:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was Serta, thank you.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess Kaiser, I guess he's just Kaiser, no, yeah.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Kaiser gets up and he's like, we're going to go to the Holy Land that they call Vegas and we will build a mighty palace for the Empire.
01:27:27 --> 01:27:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Kaiser's palace.
01:27:29 --> 01:27:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I thought that's for the, because that's like a hotel train, right?
01:27:33 --> 01:27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like just one famous hotel in Casino in Vegas.
01:27:37 --> 01:27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it might be a chain, but I'm gonna,
01:27:39 --> 01:27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about it.
01:27:42 --> 01:28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that really cracked me up when they talk when he said we're going to go and build Caesar's palace I hope that they show up and they like set up in Caesar's palace They probably can't because of some legal stuff, but if they can work out a deal to use Oh, yeah, it would be luxury luxury hotel and casino and paradise and a lot of
01:28:04 --> 01:28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:28:06 --> 01:28:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's on the west side of the strip.
01:28:08 --> 01:28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, they could totally find a Caesar's palace or the Caesar's.
01:28:13 --> 01:28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: They could totally find it and go there.
01:28:16 --> 01:28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be pretty funny.
01:28:17 --> 01:28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they keep that gag going.
01:28:19 --> 01:28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a good long running joke for them to see what I think.
01:28:24 --> 01:28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: 270 a night is crazy.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
01:28:27 --> 01:28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not looking to book travel arrangements, but like it
01:28:31 --> 01:28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: popped up on my phone.
01:28:32 --> 01:28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, should we still run wrapping the season by taking a trip to Vegas?
01:28:36 --> 01:28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No, we should just go to Vegas to gamble what?
01:28:40 --> 01:28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We can gamble away all of our hard and cash.
01:28:45 --> 01:28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, see I like this.
01:28:47 --> 01:28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I like this idea.
01:28:48 --> 01:28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
01:28:49 --> 01:28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:28:49 --> 01:29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, did you have any loose plot threads that we didn't talk about that you think we should I think I think we covered everything I mean this has been we didn't say it was going to be a short one and it's definitely not we are in an hour and a half and we still got runtime left.
01:29:06 --> 01:29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's get right into
01:29:12 --> 01:29:41 [SPEAKER_01]: our house or should we even talk I feel like we've I think we've covered enough theories on so unfortunately uh as you guys will be able to tell there's no chase here uh scheduling is just rough it's really rough he's uh four times zones four hours behind us and now Aaron and I are like on a synced up schedule finally and now he's out of a loop which is kind of the opposite
01:29:41 --> 01:29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's it's tricky, but we're gonna figure it out.
01:29:44 --> 01:29:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully soon Honestly, I'd be cool if we could get chase on just for like a small or even if you and Chase just wanted to do like a small episode if he's got any theories That differ from what we've got or anything.
01:29:57 --> 01:29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You know pick his reign
01:29:58 --> 01:29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
01:29:59 --> 01:30:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I might do a separate season wrap with Chase just to talk about the season as a whole and we won't go super in depth, but just to get his thoughts on everything.
01:30:08 --> 01:30:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see if we can set that up with him.
01:30:11 --> 01:30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully we can get his thoughts on fall out.
01:30:15 --> 01:30:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we miss you, Chase.
01:30:17 --> 01:30:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Come home.
01:30:18 --> 01:30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Come home.
01:30:19 --> 01:30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to know what theories he's got for next season.
01:30:22 --> 01:30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:30:23 --> 01:30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So without further ado, what did you think about the end of this?
01:30:28 --> 01:30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you beg your thoughts first?
01:30:30 --> 01:30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You want the episode or the season as a whole?
01:30:33 --> 01:30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess either one.
01:30:34 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Both.
01:30:35 --> 01:30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: All of it.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll go to the episode and then the season.
01:30:38 --> 01:30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that makes the most sense.
01:30:39 --> 01:30:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So for the episode, I gotta give it.
01:30:43 --> 01:30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not given an attend because it's like,
01:30:45 --> 01:30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There were a few tiny things here and there, and attends perfect, but I'm going to give it like a crisp 9.5.
01:30:50 --> 01:30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this episode was fantastic.
01:30:56 --> 01:31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They tied everything up together pretty well while obviously giving us like branches to next season.
01:31:04 --> 01:31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: which we just release it tomorrow please.
01:31:10 --> 01:31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I need the next season right fucking now.
01:31:11 --> 01:31:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be a quick turnaround I will say because they've already started production like less Tuesday I think it was.
01:31:17 --> 01:31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:31:18 --> 01:31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're chillin but
01:31:22 --> 01:31:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this episode really succeeded, I mean, it wrapped up, not wrapped up, but it gave us great character moments for pretty much the entire main cast.
01:31:32 --> 01:31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Maximus, we talked about his, his stand, you know, the, the last son of shady sands, armor broke before his wielded great peak, the edits, uh, TikTok's amazing right now.
01:31:46 --> 01:31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The goal, obviously, he had his development moments and like,
01:31:50 --> 01:31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You might back up with how she saved Lucy.
01:31:53 --> 01:31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We had Lucy and her father, like that dynamic was great.
01:31:56 --> 01:31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So much of this episode was fantastic.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited for next season.
01:32:01 --> 01:32:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Season as a whole, I'm given it a nine, because a whole V-fuck.
01:32:07 --> 01:32:07 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
01:32:08 --> 01:32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: A season set up better myself.
01:32:10 --> 01:32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Goodness, better.
01:32:11 --> 01:32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think.
01:32:12 --> 01:32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that earlier episodes,
01:32:16 --> 01:32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: not even not even really dragged but like the first three episodes compared to everything after it's it's just it's it's hit after hit after hit after hit for that second half of the season I mean I this is one of those shows it was like how peacemaker was like I and how welcome to dairy was shit I could not wait for every episode to drop it was just amazing.
01:32:44 --> 01:32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, this one had me on the edge of my seat.
01:32:47 --> 01:33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I was looking forward to it every week, but let's be honest, even if this show was terrible, I would probably be looking forward to the episodes every week, but yeah, I really did think this was an entertaining season.
01:33:01 --> 01:33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It had a lot to love, but I do think it was basically a transition season.
01:33:06 --> 01:33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that
01:33:08 --> 01:33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: They were doing a lot of set up work for the rest of the show.
01:33:12 --> 01:33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's a bad thing.
01:33:13 --> 01:33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they did a really good job at setting up everything that's going to be coming in the next two or three seasons of fallout.
01:33:22 --> 01:33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And at some points, it almost did feel like this show felt like they didn't.
01:33:31 --> 01:33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't think they were going to get a season two.
01:33:33 --> 01:33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they thought this was going to be another video game adaptation flop.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if they kind of were trying to play catch up and get a broader overarching story together so that they so that they could make things move forward a little bit and have a story that's going to span five seasons.
01:33:55 --> 01:33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they did it really well.
01:33:56 --> 01:33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they executed everything fairly well.
01:33:59 --> 01:34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It felt a little bit cute and clumsy at times with like the norm plot and a few other things, but no show is perfect.
01:34:06 --> 01:34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone every show has their like a couple of stinkers that don't really live up to expectations and I wouldn't even classify those as stinkers.
01:34:15 --> 01:34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that they're more.
01:34:17 --> 01:34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: just weaker points in a series that's overall really good.
01:34:22 --> 01:34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that what they do well in this show, they do it really well.
01:34:28 --> 01:34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The standouts for me were Max's development into a true hero, like Richard said, last son of shady sands.
01:34:35 --> 01:34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He's pretty awesome.
01:34:38 --> 01:34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And,
01:34:40 --> 01:34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He's someone who doesn't need the brotherhood anymore to define him.
01:34:43 --> 01:34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a person in his own right, and I think Lucy's relationship with the goal was another really strong point in this season, seeing those two characters influence each other, seeing Lucy influence Maximus, Maximus inspiring the people around him.
01:34:57 --> 01:35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It all just comes together in a really meaningful way.
01:35:02 --> 01:35:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was great.
01:35:03 --> 01:35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Overall, I would give the season a solid eight out of ten, and I think I would give this finale episode a nine out of ten.
01:35:13 --> 01:35:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was so great.
01:35:16 --> 01:35:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:35:17 --> 01:35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:35:17 --> 01:35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot recommend this enough.
01:35:21 --> 01:35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be telling everyone that I know that they need to watch Fallout if they haven't already.
01:35:25 --> 01:35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If they have watched it, they should just watch it again because why not?
01:35:29 --> 01:35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
01:35:33 --> 01:35:38 [SPEAKER_01]: from season one obviously you could you could feel a little bit that they didn't have
01:35:40 --> 01:36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Not, not didn't have a plan, but they didn't have everything ironed out so much, whereas this season it really feels like they're, they at least have an idea of where to go, or at least a clear idea of where to go next season, and you can kind of see like all of the building blocks and different factions building up together, that hopefully we're going to see all of that payoff next season all the way to the finale.
01:36:07 --> 01:36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:36:10 --> 01:36:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, any final thoughts before we wrap up for today?
01:36:14 --> 01:36:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We've, this is a hefty episode, but I'm loving it.
01:36:18 --> 01:36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We had a lot to talk about today.
01:36:21 --> 01:36:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, I think, I think that's all I got.
01:36:25 --> 01:36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So we talked out.
01:36:26 --> 01:36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:36:27 --> 01:36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, uh, with that being said, I think that we are going to sort of close things up for today and as Richard said earlier, don't forget to
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01:38:18 --> 01:38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for spending this season of fallout with us and we will be back very soon with coverage of the boys and invincible I believe so stay tuned for news on that and we will see you.