Invincible - S03E04 - "You Were My Hero"

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[00:03:49] Are we ready for the recap, everyone? Let's get into it. Take us away. And like I said last time, hopefully this is going to be respected this time. But it's your rodeo chase. Yeah. I don't respect chase. Hopefully. See, already, I get on the bull and he tugs on my boots. Like, he wants me to fall off the bull. Yes, I do, actually. Oh my God. We're going to have a serious talk about this later. I hope you know.

[00:04:18] Are you not mad? Are you just disappointed? I'm just disappointed. All right. Season three, episode four kicks off with Mark and Eve attempting to... I don't actually, I don't know if it starts there, but this is like the first major thing of the episode where Mark and Eve are enjoying a date in Paris. Sadly, their plans are... Oh! I know what the episode starts off with. The Angstrom thing, right? Yes, exactly.

[00:04:45] It's Mark breaking into the Pentagon to accuse Cecil of spying on his family. But then we learned that it wasn't Cecil. I know I mentioned it in our other episode where I said it was Angstrom. I don't remember if, like... It was revealed. It was in the subtitles. I mean, if you could tell by the voice too, obviously, but the subtitles say so. Okay, good.

[00:05:12] I knew it was him from reading the comics, so it just like instantly clicked in my brain, but I didn't remember whether or not they revealed it in the episode. So... But yeah, he goes to Cecil because he thinks it's them. Obviously, it wasn't them. And then Mark just... Or actually, he was late to his date with Eve in Paris, where before it gets to really begin, dropkick and fight master on their epic scooter.

[00:05:38] And then Mark's mother plead for Mark's help in the future, where they say that there's a tyrannical king ruling everyone as slaves, basically. And Mark is kidnapped by them into the future, essentially, but ends up agreeing to help them. Where a mortal turns out to be the king, and he's clearly lost his mind.

[00:06:03] And he talks a lot of bullshit and crazy poop, ooh caca, about Matt being an emperor and such. And how Mark's leaving Earth in his hands drove him to insanity, because it was too much for him to do. And Mark ends up having to kill a immortal. Can we stop there for half a second before you...

[00:06:33] Yeah, sure. What can the immortal do without, like, absolutely throwing a shit fit? When does he ever accomplish anything? I do want to take a moment to appreciate his crown. The crown was drippy. You know what the funny thing is, though? In season one of Invincible... I think the reason we're getting so much immortal hate right now... Sorry, I know we're in the middle of the recap, guys, but we're just gonna take a little second here. Yeah, we gotta talk about the mortal.

[00:07:02] The reason immortal is getting so much hate here in season two for being so weak is because in season one of Invincible, immortal's strength is, like, massively stronger than he is in the comics. Okay, so it's not so much that we're diverging from the comics. It's that we diverged from the comics earlier and now we're, like, coming back to it. Yeah, because... Remember in season one, like, Immortal was able to hit and, like, hurt Omni-Man, remember?

[00:07:32] He was punching him and it was... It was doing something. I don't think he was, like, breaking his nose with punches, but he was... He was stunting him at least. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Sorry. I was at a loss for words there. You're good. Yeah, in the comics, Immortal punching Omni-Man is, like, when a human punches, like, Mark. Dude, when fight... Like, when, um... Maybe it's Dropkick, I don't know. Fightmaster and Dropkick, yeah, exactly. One of them smacks Mark in the first episode and he's just kind of standing there.

[00:08:01] It's like, um... It's like Trevor, like, trying to pull out a combo on Dracula. Yeah, exactly. I hope someone here knows what I'm talking about. No, yeah, from Castlevania, yeah. Yeah, and he's just standing still looking down at him, like, that's... Yeah, and he's like, so you must be a Belmont. Yeah, I love scenes like that. It's so goofy. But yeah, Immortal is much closer to his comic counterpart's strength and ability-wise in season two. Or, sorry, season three, not season two.

[00:08:31] I keep thinking this is season two because there's only, like, eight episodes of season. Yeah, and it's also just been a lot... I mean, season one came out, what, four years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Jesus, don't say that. I feel old, bro. Unc status! No, but I think that you bring up an important point, Chase, because in season one,

[00:08:54] I feel like Cecil in the GDA propped up the Immortal as kind of the second strongest superhero behind Omni-Man, and, like, the best chance to fight against him other than Mark. And then he lives up to that a little bit in season one because he's able to at least hold his own for a little while.

[00:09:14] Well, yeah, because remember in season one, after Omni-Man kills the Guardians, Immortal is, like, resurrected, and he goes after Omni-Man in a rage, and he's able to, like, put his hands on him, like, for real. Yeah, he almost popped out his eyes, I think, right? No. Oh, okay.

[00:09:31] He was, he was, I mean, like, he was, he was putting that work in. In the comics, Omni-Man one taps every single one of the Guardians of the Globe, and it's, like, free low for him. He did not, he did not struggle the way he did in the show. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, sidetrack aside, you want to take us back into our little second read?

[00:09:55] Yeah, the next, like, main part of the episode that goes on is the, the Alan Omni-Man prison break, of course, from the Viltrumite prison. While Omni-Man is basically getting his execution punishment from the two Viltrumites, Alan causes a prison break, freeing all the prisoners, and appearance from a season one individual, Battle Beast, who almost killed Mark.

[00:10:24] Battle Beast is pretty goaded. Yeah, I love Battle Beast. And with the freeing of Battle Beast, Alan is able to stop Nolan's execution through some, I don't know, some odd techniques.

[00:10:43] Alan convinces Nolan to, to help with the prison break, and after the prison break, and the killing of the two enemy Viltrumites, Nolan reveals some secrets about the Viltrumite empire, and how that might help them take them down. The fact that there's only 50 pure-blooded, is crazy.

[00:11:09] I was just about to say that. The fact that there's 50 pure-blooded Viltrumites, and the big question in my head now is, how many of the Viltrumites that we've seen are pure-blooded, and who isn't? We obviously know that, like, Omni-Man and Anissa, right? All of those Viltrumites are pure-blooded. All of them are that we've, like, seen so far? Yeah, all the ones we've seen so far, except for Oliver and Mark.

[00:11:33] Okay. Okay. That was the biggest question in my head, is, are there just, like, 50 really crazy Omni-Man strength people out there? Well, they call him the Great Nolan, because, like, he's legendary. He's, like, a legendary warrior. Yeah, because he's probably, what, 200 years old? I don't remember how old he said he was, but he's up there, right? I think he's older than that. Hmm.

[00:12:02] Do you think that the Viltrumites adopted the mustache and the haircut after or before the invention of J. Jonah Jameson? Uh, actually... The invention is crazy! The mustache is, like, the paying homage to the original Viltrumite ruler, Argel. Interesting. I don't know if he's the original, but one of them. Right. Yeah. Because when I saw the two executioners pull up, I just was so entertained.

[00:12:31] Argel is the Viltrumite ruler that Thedas is who killed. Oh. Oh. Okay. Cool. I want to check back in with Thedas soon in the season. I'm sure that we will now that Alan and Nolan are out of the prison, but I really want to see what him and the rest of the, what is it, the leader? Thedas has some interesting things in store. Okay. I'm just going to say that.

[00:12:56] I don't want to spoil anything, but he's got some fun things to introduce. Chase, I do want to just ask you a question. Have you been seeing all of the things about that one guy's barber? Oh, Thrag? I don't know if we should say it or not, but yeah, Thrag's barber. If anyone doesn't want spoilers, don't search up Thrag. Yeah. He's just got a clean cut at all times. He does have a very clean hairline.

[00:13:26] But yeah, the return of Battle Beast. I didn't expect to see him. I've been hoping for more Battle Beast content because I feel like in discussions about the comics, people talk about how cool he is. And I just, obviously, he was cool in season one, but we just haven't seen much. And now he's bringing receipts. Like he's kind of goaded when it comes to the battlefield. Yeah, at first, like we see him in season one.

[00:13:56] He claps the shit out of Mark and all of his superhero friends, the teen team, I think. Yeah. He basically like puts them all on death's doorstep, single-handedly practically. And then he's like, yeah, y'all were too weak to satisfy my battle. Then we see him again, and he's just going toe-to-toe with a Viltrumite. It says a lot about his power level, doesn't it?

[00:14:26] Yeah. I mean, from the showings we have here, he's quite strong. Yeah. And if Alan and Nolan can somehow keep that dude on their side, which I don't think they will. He's not the type to pick side. A little bit of a loose cannon. It just seems like he wanted a good fight. And maybe he will join because he wants to fight more Viltrumites. I think he's going to want to fight those super strong creatures. I think they're called the Ragnars that they found out about through Nolan's books.

[00:14:55] Does anyone remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. You do? Okay. Read my books, Mark. What? Read my books, Mark. Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, he had to plug his merch, all right? Read my books. No, I think that Battle Beast is going to want to fight those when they come around to collecting all of the different dangerous things that are going to fuck with the Viltrumites. I don't know. I think that'd be cool. That would be.

[00:15:24] Oh, I had one more thing to add to Battle Beast, which is I thought it was a little crazy that he had tons more security than Alan and Nolan. Yeah, but that, I mean, I guess that just speaks to how dangerous he is. Or they just don't expect the other two to break out. Think about it. Alan, like, went down without a fight. Like, he made it seem like they beat his shit in, remember? True.

[00:15:48] And then Nolan surrendered himself after he got beat up on Thraxa because Mark was, Mark basically was, like, getting his ass kicked and Nolan did a step in. And then Luke didn't survive being impaled by the stalactite or whatever. Yeah. No Oliver this episode notably, but that's okay. I felt like it was good to take a break. I was gonna say.

[00:16:17] He's off killing people. Thank God we took a break from Immortal and Duplicate. Holy crap. Yeah, dude. Oh, we didn't take a break from Immortal, just from Duplicate. But from our Immortal, you know? Yeah. This is an Immortal who's probably won a fight. So, you know, that's kind of fire. You gotta be on top to be the king. Yeah. Okay.

[00:16:42] I know that Chase can't really answer this question because he knows what's going on. But, Richard, I'm curious to get your thoughts on Mark being the one who left Immortal in charge of the Earth. What do you mean? Like, you gotta... Like, he's... Like, he's... Like, you mean why, or...? Like, how did he even get to the position? What did he do that he's even in the position to leave someone in charge of Earth?

[00:17:09] And did he do it because he thought the Immortal would be a just ruler? And, like, he thought that the Immortal would treat the humans well? Or did he do it because he wanted a tyrant to rule over? I think Mark... Here's, like, my theory for how all this happens. I think Mark beats the Viltrum Empire, or at least beats them away from Earth and keeps Earth safe. And he decides to have Immortal be his... Be, like, the ruler of the world because Immortal's been alive for so long.

[00:17:39] So he's, like... You know, he's more mature and more developed and hopefully able to see a lot more, like... A lot more than just black and white when it comes to making decisions that the ruler of a planet would make. And he trusts that Immortal won't go crazy for living for hundreds of more years. But that was the wrong choice, in my opinion. I mean, clearly. Yeah.

[00:18:07] I just love all of these future or alternate universes. Like, all of this stuff that they're showing us where you can see that one wrong step and Mark becomes power hungry and evil. Like, he just has so much power that if he has poor influences or goes through enough trauma to drive him to the Nolan level of not really caring about life...

[00:18:37] You can see how fragile Mark's morality might be. Maybe not this Mark because he does still have Oliver. He has Debbie. But, you know, if Oliver does some horrible stuff and needs to be stopped, I could see that pushing him towards evil. If Debbie is lost, I could see that pushing him towards evil. There's just so many avenues for Mark to turn bad. Right. And I'm sure he's going to do...

[00:19:05] I mean, based on what's coming, I know he's going to do some fuck shit because, I mean, that's just what the show, I feel like, will do with crazy-ass plot lines. But I'm excited to see what happens with Oliver based on what's coming. I think that he's going to develop, and maybe he's going to develop in a good way and not be so bloodthirsty and, like, be more mature. I don't know.

[00:19:34] Oliver's development is, like, what I'm really interested in this season. And I get that he didn't have a place this week, but I want more Oliver content. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really curious about the beginning of the episode where Mark is in the GDA tearing up the Rhiannon. I wonder if he showed up and started tearing into the Rhiannon, or if he showed up, like, ready to confront Cecil, and then Cecil sent the Rhiannon.

[00:20:01] Because I feel like that distinction would place the blame on one of them. That is an important detail, yeah. I think knowing what we saw from last time Cecil called the Rhiannon on Mark, you probably saw Mark pull up and instantly sick him on him. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see some more of their, like, divide, too.

[00:20:27] Sorry, you guys, when you guys were talking about, like, Mark getting crazy and becoming more like Nolan, that kind of reminded me. A big difference from the comics Omni-Man to the show Omni-Man is the comics Omni-Man didn't do all that shit in Chicago. Yeah. I saw TikTok the other day. The train scene did not happen, right? The train scene, the building scene, all of that. Like, he didn't massacre. He killed the Guardians of the Globe.

[00:20:56] And he killed, like, the agents that, like, tried to pull up on him at his house. But that was, like, pretty much it. But he didn't involve random people who weren't attacking him. Yeah. He didn't just, like, massacre their civilians. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And I think that's a cool change. Sorry, Aaron. No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. That's it. That's it. Oh, okay.

[00:21:19] I was just going to add on to that and say that I think a really important consequence of that is going to be Nolan joining the fight means that he can't really fight on Earth. You know, he can't ever be seen as anything but the guy who did that on Earth. And he might be able to fight the Viltrumites out in space and on their own planet or just defend other planets. But I don't see a way for him to return to Earth and do any amount of saving.

[00:21:47] I think the moment he shows up, everyone is just against him and rightfully so. I think contrary to that, I think he's going to show up. And I think that he is going to try and fix everything with Debbie. I don't think that it should work. I don't think he deserves to be forgiven or anything. But I think he's going to at least try to fix his fuck-ups because of Oliver. And, you know, Mark, I guess. But mostly because of Oliver.

[00:22:17] I hope he doesn't try to, like, fix things with Debbie. I hope that he kind of just leaves Debbie alone to heal and move on. Yeah. He definitely should leave her alone. Like, I agree with you on that part. But, I don't know. Given the type of guy that he is, I don't see it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:39] When you live that long, I think that social cues and just the way that you should be operating and letting people with a normal lifespan process things is probably also a little warped in your head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:23] Well, because for him, you know, he can. Time travel. I don't know. I feel like they should. It could be utilized more in the future for some interesting plot lines. But, I don't know. I just kind of wanted to throw that out there and get your guys' thoughts on that. I just think, like, the time travel stuff is clearly that's a, like, world that's hundreds and hundreds of years in the future.

[00:23:46] So, they probably aren't that, I don't know, interested in dealing with things that happened hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years ago that probably aren't super well recorded. Right. Interesting. I'm wondering if Rudy can figure it out somehow.

[00:24:03] Chase and I were talking about this earlier about, I was saying that the alternate universes and the future sort of scratch the same itch. Like, they're kind of the same thing in my head because when you go that far into the future, nothing is really set in stone. Things are essentially just different because of the sets of choices that were made by everyone in the universe.

[00:24:31] And so, going forward in time, it gives us a really interesting scenario to plot Mark into and have him interacting with the world and growing as a character. But it's not necessarily our future. It's a future, right? Right. No, I get what you're saying. The multiverse stuff, that is for, obviously, with Angstrom still being alive, that's going to be huge.

[00:24:59] At least for this season. And maybe next season. I don't know how they're going to pace it all. Yeah. I just need Cecil to stop doing his whole shoot first, ask questions later approach with Mark because he's never going to get Mark on his fucking side if he keeps doing that. Yeah. That's true. I'm hoping... I don't know. They need to talk things out, but Cecil needs to have a...

[00:25:25] Obviously, he's got his teleporter beam, but he needs to have that shit ready because Mark is... You know... Mark could instantly snatch him, and that would be kind of the end. Mark can just move faster than a human can think, I'm pretty sure. True. Well, yeah, we definitely see it when he practically teleports over to fucking Cecil after the Mauler twins are dead. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:54] I... I liked the conversation that Mark and Cecil had. Was this in this season? Or was it in one of the previous seasons? I don't know, but he uses his teleportation, and Mark is like, how much does that cost the taxpayers every time you do that? Yeah. Yeah. He's like, it's about $7 billion.

[00:26:15] I liked his comment when they were, you know, when Omni-Man's going on his rampage, and they use that big-ass laser, and it gives him the, quote-unquote, world's most expensive nosebleed. I thought that was some goofy shit. Cecil is just burning through taxpayer dollars like it's candy. It is candy. What do you mean? If you had a guy running around massacring major cities who was impervious to any kind of weaponry you had, he probably had to do that, right? Yeah.

[00:26:45] True. No, for sure. Does anyone else find it a little weird that they have Cecil set up in the Pentagon? I feel like they need to give him his own space away from everyone else doing work so that he can get assaulted by superheroes on his lonesome. Yeah. Like, put it in the middle of nowhere, at least, so that it's not, like, a population center. D.C. obviously is... You guys know. You live there. So, I'm not even gonna...

[00:27:11] Put the GDA in fucking, like, Kansas or Nebraska. Somewhere where no one lives. Yeah, right? Or Wyoming. Like, who the fuck... Who lives in Wyoming? Come on. Less people than there are in D.C., I believe. Put the GDA on the moon, man. Honestly, everyone can already fly up there anyways. Yeah. Anything else? I just wrote, like, Emperor Mark and his redhead.

[00:27:41] Yeah. They did mention that. Yeah. Interesting that Eve... Well, seeming... That makes me think that Eve lives longer than a normal person, given her, like... I don't know, maybe she can fuck with her lifespan using her powers. Maybe. Perchance? Ooh. Wait. Theory moment. I think that the same way that Eve is honing her powers going to school for, like, architecture...

[00:28:10] I think that she may be able to go to school for, like, biology or some kind of, like, sciences to figure it out even further. She definitely may be able to go to school for biology. Yeah. I don't think anyone's disputing that. Come on. I mean, you could go to... You could go to school for biology right now. Yeah, but it wouldn't really benefit me in the same way. Like, what's the benefit? Right.

[00:28:40] All right. And then Alan willingly getting beat down to motivate Nolan. I think that was a very interesting moment. I think it's interesting that Nolan cares enough honestly cause that's like throwing away his Viltrumite honor his honor does not remain sorry no his honor does not remain I had to say it how did you guys like the Alan Nolan fist bump through head that was kinda fire

[00:29:09] I thought it was pretty cool that's straight out of the comics I feel like we could hit one of those for sure through someone's head I didn't mean like through errands my god but someone you wanna victimize someone to make it happen I mean I guess if it has to happen it has to happen you know you're just like Omni man the pick would be fire and I think you need to understand that you gotta do it for the gram

[00:29:39] dude you gotta do it for the gram come on dude holy crap the pick would be fire anyways back to Invincible something else that me and Chase were talking about I think it was earlier in the week Chase brought up a great point which was that he said he appreciated that this show doesn't make us sit through the sex scenes and I have to echo that yeah I don't it's awkward

[00:30:09] I don't know maybe it's maybe I'm just immature but I've that's not why I'm watching the show you know like I don't I'm not trying to goon I'm trying to watch especially an animated show I don't know I feel like it makes even less sense well it's like I understand how you can convey a message through a sex scene or like I don't know like but I just feel like there's no message to be conveyed you know in this like like

[00:30:38] it doesn't add to the story in any way so I appreciate that they they're like okay like we can skip this part yeah I think using that as a plot device I mean using anything as a plot device as long as it's done well is great but a lot of the time in a lot of shows that don't skip over it it's not used that way it's just like bam sex yeah and like I'm glad too that like the narrator is a little goofy about it is like um

[00:31:07] well let's get away from here or whatever the hell you know I don't know yeah and skipping the sex scenes they brought us straight over to Alan and Nolan so they brought us over to the bromance yeah um which I know that the characters are like of a greater age than they were when the show started but it also would be weird in my head to see these characters who are drawn the exact same way as they were when they were 17 like

[00:31:38] I don't know I feel like that also would make it a little weirder yeah I agree with you on that one for sure yeah I do feel like the comics did a better job of aging them up yeah like Mark is getting stronger like you can see him physically I think like Mark is definitely getting like those stress lines on his face but yeah he looks like um it reminds me of Itachi honestly to be fair they did look old

[00:32:07] for high schoolers when they're like being drawn that way but not that that's like they still yeah but I don't regardless I don't want to see a sex scene in fucking really anything at this point unless it's a plot device and it's done well I don't mind sex scenes in a lot of shows I think that they can serve a fine purpose I'm never I don't ever feel like it greatly adds to the

[00:32:36] to the experience like you have shows like Game of Thrones where it's just there for the sake of being there in a lot of scenes and that's when I'm like okay this is getting a little ridiculous but yeah I think yeah I was gonna I was gonna bring that up honestly I was gonna say it's like how in Game of Thrones there's so much like sex scenes and so many like sexual violence scenes and it's like what's the point like I don't I don't know yeah

[00:33:05] it's a bit gratuitous at that point yeah exactly but yeah like it's not like it's greatly detracting from the experience but I do I feel like it's not adding anything so I do appreciate them taking time out of that and putting it towards the actual series and like what's happening in the story they obviously have to limit the episodes to a certain length don't give me like four minutes of a couple drawings fucking give me Mark not Mark

[00:33:34] give me Nolan and Alan obliterating some bullet from ice that deserve it come on yeah do Nolan and Alan recreating the picture that Richard and I who's gonna be in the middle though who's gonna be in the middle like who's whose head are we fist bumping through we'll figure out the logistics and we'll make sure that the people know but the people yeah we'll tag them in the Instagram post Craigslist ad

[00:34:04] Craigslist ad I think that is the place to go if you're looking for um that how do you guys think Cecil is watching the Grayson family like what do you like he definitely just has like bugs and cameras throughout their house because he had it built like yeah and he had all that stuff in there back um in the Omni-Man days too yeah yeah also another thing that I think Cecil is completely justified in maybe a little violating

[00:34:35] their privacy um I don't know about that bro I think you're off the deep end on that one I think I think surveillance of them is good but he's got the nanny like that I feel like the nanny is good enough right I feel like we've established at this point that the nanny is first of all loyal to Debbie I don't think that the nanny is gonna be divulging anything that crazy to Cecil well I think she'd be

[00:35:05] divulging like if if Oliver starts having some moral quandaries and on the wrong side of things about like yeah you know what I mean like if he ends up saying that he thinks criminals should just die obviously she'd say something to Cecil and like if he starts acting on it yeah or if he brings up his whole fucking kid Omni-Man spiel to her she might have to say something about that one too yeah that one's crazy I feel like he should be invincible right

[00:35:35] yeah we haven't seen the not the babysitter the nanny we haven't seen the nanny in quite a few episodes yeah I think she was in for like I think she was there for like a minute or two in the first episode and that's it any other thoughts from folks on this episode I feel like this was a more straightforward one yeah I think I'm good there's really no like there's obviously we had so much more to talk about with the first three episodes because there was just a lot going on but I think I'm good I can't believe we wasted feel it on Amber

[00:36:06] wasted I think he deserved to have another song for this for this season yeah I'm sure they're gonna do a few more needle drops on us throughout the season it'd be good what have you guys thought about the music so far has it stuck out to you it's good I I don't really like Yoji though so I'm with you on that I I think my favorite music moment though in Invincible it's between two because of how fitting the songs were Omni-Man going through

[00:36:35] that like alternate dimension like with the the one song playing I think it's called Holy Fuck that's a banger and like that fit really well with the scene and then Karma Police last season with Mark flying around what am I on about whenever they played Karma Police because I know that wasn't all at the same time but that was a good song choice Karma Police is a goated song yeah what about you Aaron what do you think I gotta be honest

[00:37:04] it doesn't stick out yeah I listen to a few Radiohead songs I I'd like to listen to more but I feel like if I go on the internet and say hey guys what's a good Radiohead song I'm gonna have to deal with I'll tell you some good Radiohead songs just don't tell anyone I listen to Radiohead well Aaron's keeping this in so you're done the whole world the whole world the whole world listens to us guys

[00:37:34] we get about 7 billion listens on each episode so we're almost there I mean I listen to Avenged Sevenfold and some of those fans are uh eh so I get it you think that we can get the GDA to start broadcasting our podcast out to the universe get some more ears on it the GDA like they have the ability to do that Cecil's got the facilities I bet he can teleport anywhere

[00:38:03] you think he can't broadcast a podcast anywhere he can teleport like I'm pretty sure it's like it's terrestrial I'm sure you can get to like ISS too like the space station but that's that's the limit of it yeah I think they have to have like satellite view so they don't like teleport him into a wall or something right actually I am gonna kind of rescind what I said I've been thinking about what Chase said about them making Mark look a little bit older like giving him some stress lines on his face

[00:38:33] I think that they have aged up the characters appropriately thinking back to what they look like in season one and thinking what they look like now yeah and Mark's definitely like bulked up a lot more too for sure I I wanted to see him like continue some kind of training regiment after he broke faith with the GDA but I don't know if that's just I mean what is he supposed to do he's already like outperformed all of their equipment

[00:39:03] and that's like the best funded thing that he could possibly have access to now that he's cut ties with them bench press the moon move the moon out of orbit I think that would mess with the earth more than like more than the Viltromites are trying to do come on Mark causes a tsunami by just moving the moon back and forth by benching the moon yeah bro wipes out all of the west and

[00:39:32] east coast by benching the moon could Mark RDL the moon I don't think so I don't think that even no one could move the moon oh I think I think end of series Mark should be able to I think current Mark could probably considering if it's in space right hmm maybe I don't know well we'll have to find out let's email Robert Kirkman guys yeah

[00:40:01] and while we're at it we'll ask him what the fuck is going on with the walking dead if he can lift like a fucking gigantic iceberg out of the water and hold it for minutes on end I think he could do one rep of the moon I feel like an iceberg in the moon that's a pretty steep fucking difference the moon is made out of cheese Aaron yeah have you seen Walter Romet well we'll find out I'm sure he'll do it sometime just for fun

[00:40:31] yeah maybe he'll crash the moon into fucking Viltrum or something we'll see right I also do just want to say Steven Yoon is killing it of course yeah he does a really good job this is like the first thing have you seen him in beef bro I have not seen I watched one episode of beef because someone told me to and then I didn't watch anymore I'll get to it it was probably one of us that told you to because that show was just amazing no if it was one of you that told me to I would have

[00:41:12] I'm I'm binging through Dexter right now though yeah no beef is a great series it really just shows what a great actor Steven Yoon is yeah this is like the only thing that I've seen him in though and he's he does such a good job and he's it's just voice acting I'm sure he's just as good if not better in like live action roles because he was fantastic in The Walking Dead too yeah I've heard about that I just I don't know I'll maybe

[00:41:42] give The Walking Dead a try at some point just watch the first like four seasons and then you can stop thank god like you don't have to watch some of the current stuff you don't need to now I don't know but also the guy who plays the immortal is Aaron in The Walking Dead

[00:42:13] oh my god you're the immortal you're the mortal he also has a morning star on his fucking arm that got chopped off speaking of morning star Aaron I that's silly imagine if you read a book called morning star shut the fuck up all right should we do how we feel guys

[00:42:42] yeah let's get into it chase you want to start us off since you did the honors of making this beautiful intro first you you had me twice so I you chase no no okay the worst for middle um right it'll be the true mid of the episode okay

[00:43:14] this was just a fun episode so many interesting plot lines and interesting progression of important character arcs I do not remember any issues with the animation and I I think this episode is a big step up from the past few so I'm going to give it an eight and a half out of ten

[00:43:43] any objections on that any objections on that I put it at an eight but I the very start because obviously Mark's not going to believe it we've got Cecil he's going to look into the tech and maybe Cecil will be the one to discover

[00:44:13] who who's spying on Mark and I think that'd be cool and maybe they could start bridging the divide after that if that happens who knows obviously we got Viltrumite lore and I've been waiting for that for a while I've been super interested in Viltrum and some people I've seen online they're calling it

[00:44:49] and what being alive for so long could do to someone I mean who knows maybe that'll parallel Mark later on and but yeah 8 out of 10 for me no no you're good I was just reiterating my score something I want to say about that filler episode thing that you mentioned is I

[00:45:19] as like when I watch it obviously I don't try to like be like oh I know what's gonna happen so this means this like I try and just watch it with fresh eyes like yeah because it's not a one to one it's an adaptation exactly and I try and like obviously like I'll be like well I know this is gonna happen but I'm not like I feel like as someone who's talking to you guys who hasn't like who don't like know like completely what's happening in the future

[00:45:48] this definitely does not seem like a filler episode I I know what you're trying to say but it's like angstrom and cecil whereas this was more

[00:46:19] I think the thing is is like Aaron you might want to cut that is that like people like Aaron who don't know anything about what's gonna happen don't know that what the focus of the season is I don't think or like true this season is going I avoid even googling the characters Taylor my different for you pages to not have stuff from the comics and just have stuff from the series

[00:46:49] every once in a while something will leak in but it's not often what do you think Aaron I might struggle with this but I think I would be really bored if some other show did this in a different

[00:47:19] way I know that I would be bored because other shows have bottle episodes or standalone side adventures like villain of the week episodes yeah like that type of thing which this show does do the villain of the week thing but they do it in such a way I think that it really lends to the comic book aspect of it plus there's just a ton of great character development and story progression going on during these bottle stories and they also are really careful

[00:47:48] not to just give us those bottle stories they're also giving us like this episode they had Mark doing his whole character development thing in the alternate future then they gave us all of this story about Nolan and Alan and they just balance it so well with giving us fun content that we can watch and also moving the story along I just I can't think of another show that really does bottle episodes and like one-off

[00:48:18] stories as well as this one does but yeah I think that this story or this episode really got everything rolling especially on the Nolan and Alan side and gave us a ton to take in and my hot take of this episode is going to be I think it's the second best episode in the series in terms of my enjoyment and I only enjoyed the season one finale more than this one I give it a good

[00:49:00] I liked both finales for the two seasons we've had so far I liked the angstrom finale and I like the parallels between that and the season one finale yeah but I would I would say top five episode for me for this for sure I and I think in its pacing in

[00:49:30] its story telling just all of it give me a good example of what this show is all about I would probably pick this episode I think it have duplicate gaslighting about how she puts her life on the line just as much as everyone else oh my god dude get them out of there the worst age gap couple to ever exist

[00:50:09] that's really all i had for the that's yeah that's really all i had for this episode what's crazy is i maybe i'm wrong but i think nolan is older than immortal and immortal still has a crazy like a crazier age gap relationship than nolan yeah i think it also doesn't help the immortals case that

[00:50:33] he's just so both the immortal and duplicate it's just so easy to fucking hate those two like with mar or with nolan and debbie i like both of those characters so i kind of don't think about the fact that nolan is really old but with duplicating immortal i'm just it's thrown in my face a little more yeah but shout out characters that are super easy to hate like i know there's so much discourse

[00:50:58] in the community about i'm on cecil's side i'm on mark's side blah blah blah blah but the two things that we can all agree on the immortal and kate fucking suck and shapesmith totally justified dude he gets to keep his race car bed yeah i would stay on cecil's side for a race car bed all i'm saying is making a hateable character is still good writing by the way like oh no it's phenomenal this is i'm

[00:51:22] gonna pull from hunter hunter real quick he's suka i hate him he's an awful person i don't know he's a pedophile okay like i agree with you on this but the problem is it might not be a great uh example because a lot of people in the fandom are freaks and he's like their favorite character oh well i don't care he's very hateable and it's intentional but he's so well written like that's

[00:51:47] kind of the it's the characters that are written to be hateable where versus characters that aren't like that on purpose i feel like that's an important distinction at least for me is that grievous is that on grievous before we get into the outro i did want to bring up a little feedback because we had a lot of people chatting in the invincible in the invincible channel over on the lorehounds

[00:52:15] discord server there's a nice conversation going on i have not been opening that yeah oh okay so it's under the it's under the television like thread in their books game oh i see i see it oh my god so okay well i need to like pin the thread or whatever wait no for sure because people are talking about it in there and how do i pin yes um right click on it and then hit follow post

[00:52:44] okay okay and listeners if you're not tapped into the invincible thing shane said today at 11 40 a.m 11 40 a.m they are cooking with multiple o's well he's right 100 right yeah we're gonna give shame a thumbs up for that i'm gonna give him the fire and also the thumbs up because he's right but yeah uh

[00:53:12] jean over on the invincible thread which he's also he does a lot with alicia over on their podcast which is the multi or multi versus podcast they go through a ton of comic book and superhero stuff so if you like get on that you do they're awesome over there awesome which podcast is that again sorry

[00:53:37] uh it's multi versus which is just underneath the lorehounds channel so it's not a separate feed or anything it's just on the lorehounds main feed but uh i think the last thing they reviewed was joker folly adieu which was a really fun actually they might have done one since since then but they they had a lot of fun talking about joker too i'm sure they did but anyways john says episode four

[00:54:04] uh and one thing among the many i really like is how they make mark look like he's aged like the past two seasons have weighed on him heavily and you can see it all on his face yeah 100 agreed i wish i had read that before i went on my whole spiel about how i didn't think that they looked older it's all good great minds think alike and i said a very similar thing so yeah and i also agreed

[00:54:33] yeah piggybacker all right i was giving chase a piggyback ride do you have a problem with that i was taking him higher like creed said to zatoichi uh in response to jean's message said agreed uh he looks sad one thing i really like is that we're seeing how marks of other dimensions were bad guys and how mark can kind of be a selfish jerk and yeah we we see him being a little bit of a

[00:54:59] selfish jerk in the main timeline and acting in a way that's i think it's completely valid and normal for him to respond that way due to the trauma he's gone through but it's like mark you got to kind of pull it together yeah i mean like yeah i just i kind of i see where it's coming from though if you're yeah situation you're probably bugging and tweaking too i mean if you think

[00:55:24] about it too in terms of like how old he is he's he's younger than the character's younger than we are right he's 18 i don't think so anymore i think maybe 19 19 well he's our age group generally like being put in these situations making these choices i that'd be scary he is younger than us though yeah yeah probably like when when we first started watching the show mark was

[00:55:51] older than us and now he's younger than us yeah i mean i think that's just the between the season one and two gap even that change oh for sure for sure um joe herbers sorry i i'm not quite sure how to say that username uh send in a correction because i probably did not do that right but they say so much punching i like the show but the action gets a little repetitive

[00:56:16] would disagree with it but i can see where you're coming from i like the action a lot i understand in that point where it's like if you're watching invincible for like just like the story then like the punching and fighting probably gets a little tiring but i think like as it being a comic like superhero story it's just like inevitably just a main part of it yeah it definitely comes with the

[00:56:43] territory on this one but i do see where you're coming from with maybe a little bit of over reliance on maybe save save the punches for the really cool crazy fight scenes right i can yeah i can see that and then davy mac uh responded and said this is exactly why i fell off for a bit in season two glad i came back to it but yeah this is my main issue with the show so it seems like that seems to be a

[00:57:09] popular opinion uh in the community is that people don't want as much fighting as there is which again i like the fighting but i can totally see that perspective yeah um but yeah that i believe is all of the feedback sorry i was just doing a quick double check to make sure i didn't miss any like longer points that we haven't already touched on so yeah with that being said

[00:57:36] chase you want to get us into our outro here thank you to everyone for tuning in today and we hope you tune in again next time yeah did i what chase took you a while to spit that one out bud you good he's a little distracted today ditto to what chase said we're we're real happy that you all are tuning in and that this season of television is getting a whole lot of conversation over on the

[00:58:01] discord because it's just one of those shows that we love to talk about and before we let you go oh my god speaking of the discord sorry shut up no go ahead go ahead before i get into my whole spiel do it yeah exactly richard again no i'm filled with hatred and deceit you're filled with joy you know what you mute him you know what usually i'm the one who's a hater and as mr milchick would say today

[00:58:28] there's a little bit of sugar with my usual salt who the hell is mr milchick you're you don't know mr milchick mr milchick oh okay i thought he said okay all right i said milchick um just on the discord guys i was talking it i was talking to aaron today and for for anime enjoyers i was talking to him and

[00:58:51] i kind of have him with the idea that maybe he should watch attack on titan yes finally i know obviously we wouldn't do that right now because we're doing a lot of coverage on some stuff right now we don't want to overbook ourselves again and get behind schedule so we're that's obviously a

[00:59:13] future plan but if you guys would like that please let us know so we can maybe move it up in priority and make it our next big project or something even if we just do like a season or like an arc recap whatever that'd be fun i'd love to talk attack on titan well yeah we'd probably do like maybe like an every 10 episodes check-in or something like that yeah i feel like that's typically how they like

[00:59:40] section off the arcs too so that would work well except for i feel like the final season is more of like a continuous thing but that's i mean we could still split it up they they split it up a ton so there's a hell of a lot of content i was gonna say you two know better than i do how how we should split it up because the last time i watched attack on titan i was a literal child so so it's 80 episodes

[01:00:06] and it's two of those episodes are like an hour and a half i feel like for those two last episodes we'd probably want to just do one one per each yeah and then we'll do like major arcs like i feel like the training and the first major arc we could slap into one episode jace what do you think yeah i think so okay okay cool well that seems like probably as soon as we're done with our nocturne

[01:00:33] season two episode we could probably like hop in and start doing that i just need to sit down and actually watch these episodes of yeah and i would love to watch a few of them with you too yeah i would too but if you guys are watching them in person then i'll just uh do my own rewatch we could definitely do a watch party for a few episodes yeah i always love discord movie nights yeah we'll

[01:00:58] have to do that soon but before we let you guys go i just want to give a quick shout out to all the other podcasts in the network first of all to the ones who make all of this possible our parent podcast the lorehounds they've got a lot of great coverage going on uh alicia is giving a really great recap of a lot of the oscar nominated movies and uh i believe she's trying to get through a pretty

[01:01:22] good number of them they just did conclave which was uh with maryland and uh david and anthony from uh properly howard movie review and that was a really interesting podcast to listen to i actually gave it a listen this afternoon while i was doing a little work and especially with everyone's backgrounds anthony is a religious studies professor so he had a lot of really cool insight

[01:01:49] into conclave and everyone else had super interesting things to say so also in the network are some pretty excellent podcasts like woolshift dust who alicia and her co-host luke covered the second season of silo they wrapped that up recently and they've got a lot of really cool coverage surrounding that so go check them out uh also alicia's got her star wars canon timeline podcast uh maryland who i mentioned earlier her and her co-host dr sarah brown over on rings and rituals are cooking up some things for

[01:02:19] the second season of the rings of power so just stay tuned and they'll have some updates on when they're going to start releasing episodes and properly howard movie review just finished their latest season a few good films uh the severance podcast is of course the the big thing in the lorehounds network right now because severance is just crazy good you have to go check it out that's a joint properly howard and lorehounds production so it's its own feed you just got to

[01:02:45] search up the severance lorehounds podcast and you should be able to find it you can also get links to all of these shows in the show notes uh and then we have our newest affiliate never mind the music which also to kind of piggyback off of the severance stuff never mind the music both mark and nicole have come over to the severance feed and the patreon feed over on the lorehounds over on the

[01:03:10] lorehounds to discuss the new season of severance so a lot of awesome severance content chase i know he and i have been greatly enjoying that so i just can't recommend enough everyone start watching severance now exactly so links to all of these shows and info on how to get a hold of us it's going to be in the show notes so just check below and again thank you all for joining us and we hope to see

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