Aaron and Chase discuss the latest season of Gen V in an unrefined manner, expressing their underwhelmed reaction to the season's start. Your hosts express great concern while being cautiously excited for the rest of the season.
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00:17 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the Radioactive Rambling's podcast, the show where three buddies, but today it's too, get together to ramble on about our favorite shows, movies, and strolls, astound topic.
00:27 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I am one of your hosts, Aaron.
00:29 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I am sadly the only other host for today, Chase.
00:34 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that Richard hasn't even seen these episodes?
00:37 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't even started season two.
00:41 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say something, but I'll save it for the review.
00:44 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
00:48 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be full spoilers.
00:51 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into that, the topic of today's episode is of course going to be the first four episodes of Gen V season two.
01:00 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We were originally going to do the first three episodes, but the fourth episode came up before we got the review out.
01:05 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So we figured we'll just lump it all into one
01:09 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I, in particular, thought that the fourth episode was an improvement upon the first three, Chase might not agree with me on that, but before we get started as well, I do want to let you know that you can get in contact with us to send us your feedback with RadioactiveAttheLoreHones.com.
01:25 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a channel set up for Radioactive Remlings within the Lower Hounds Discord server, and over there you can send us a message, chat about the show, however you want to engage, and there's also a dedicated forum for GenV, and it's going to be under the boys forum.
01:42 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So go check that out, use spoiler tags so that you don't ruin the show for anyone, but the creators might be ruining it a little bit for us.
01:49 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
01:50 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: maybe I don't need to worry about that too much.
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02:03 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do apologize if I sound a little rough today.
02:06 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting over a little bit of a cold, but all is well over here, Chase.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing today?
02:16 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_02]: My day was pretty good until I watched that for the episode.
02:22 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: See, I really, that's shocking to me.
02:24 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was going to be us on the same page of the 4th episode being a major improvement.
02:30 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if major, I think maybe it gets like one extra point at a 10.
02:39 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess a 10% increase is a major improvement.
02:46 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
02:46 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's so many interesting characters that I'm glad that they're getting into, and the first three episodes just didn't do enough for me, but the fourth episode started.
03:08 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
03:08 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you want to handle this?
03:09 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we want to after we do our episode synopsis for each one?
03:13 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we want to talk about things that happened specifically in that episode or are we just going to kind of run through and jump around however we want to do it?
03:22 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I think let's try like a short synopsis of each one, right?
03:37 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And then like a quick little like things about happen that that things that happen in that episode, but then like an actual like substantial like review after all four synopsises.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that works for me.
03:51 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Because especially with the first three episodes, they all kind of blend it together as one big thing.
03:57 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I watched them all in one sitting.
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, like a, a slog festive ship.
04:04 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but just to be positive for a second, I think this is definitely one place where you and I agree shout out to the actress who portrays Marie because she really is carrying this season on her back.
04:16 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that, I think the actor for Cypher is good too.
04:20 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a little surprising what what we saw him from behind and the fourth episode.
04:31 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a really got to see his good side.
04:33 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can do the episode one recap here.
04:39 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So from here on out, full spoilers for anything the boys related, the main line show this show,
04:50 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Episode opens with Marie Jordan and Emma all being held at El Maira, the High Security Rehabilitation Facility for Supes.
04:58 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We learned that Andre Anderson has since died, which for any listeners out there who aren't aware, the actor who portrayed him chase Perdomo.
05:08 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: tragically passed away in a motorcycle accident in between the filming of the first in the second seasons and a major plot point for this season is them handling the real world events that transpired.
05:23 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So condolences to his family and I hope that everyone is doing well in the wake of that.
05:31 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways,
05:32 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He heroically used his mental manipulation powers to try and open a very heavy steel door during an escape attempt knowing that overuse of his power would kill him.
05:41 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He collapses and suffers a fatal stroke and Marie prior to this managed to escape El Myra, leaving Jordan Emma and Andre all behind.
05:50 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But all of them eventually reunite at Gidolkin University, which is now under new leadership, just entirely soup driven, and the new Dean Cypher has taken over the school and has reshaped with heavy security and militant curriculum.
06:07 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, the wider world is changing, homelanders influence is growing and the political and social environment is more tense between soups and humans.
06:16 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: This was the weakest episode of the bunch for me.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think?
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe that's third episode,
06:26 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it the third or the second episode where we get that I think it was both episodes actually where we get the whole Emma bullshit that yeah, that was really made that was like the first time in a really long time I've been like in the middle watching a show and thought yeah, I want to turn this off
06:45 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which was so shocking to me because I really enjoyed Emma's character in season one season one She's like low key the best character bro and like I'm not gonna lie this season without getting into too much that's happened past episode one She's just been like
07:05 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's the actors fault, because in season one, the actor did a tremendous job.
07:10 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I truly think it's just, they've taken such a nose dive and writing it's insane.
07:15 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, okay, back to episode one, I think this...
07:22 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I mean, I guess you could argue that it is the weakest of the four episodes just because I mean like I think of first episode should you should really it's an attention grab or you know it's you need a hook you need something to get the watchers to be like I need to sink my teeth into this and I don't think they really
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: hit that mark.
07:45 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think that's like a really bad look for this episode for sure.
07:52 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It may be really angry that Starlight showed up.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to be honest.
07:58 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, that was so ridiculous.
08:02 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
08:03 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They just had her pull up just so that she could like bullshit mention the
08:10 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wanted some separation between the main boys show because I felt like the last season of the boys was really not.
08:19 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: My speed.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't click.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't click with me.
08:22 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't connect.
08:24 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was really looking forward to coming back to Gen V because the first season had so much character and so much going for it that reminded me of those early
08:38 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: the main line boys, and I don't know that I care that much.
08:43 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I feel like it could have been so easy to rewrite this in a way where like this starlight thing never happens.
08:50 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The wolf guy gets hit by a fucking car or something, right?
08:54 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And like that's how Marie gets away from him and he survives, right?
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
08:58 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: They could have just had her still be on like the hunt for her sister, right?
09:02 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Find her aunt not blood related aunt, but like, you know what I mean, right?
09:07 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:08 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And when either going through the photos, there's some documents that like mention the Odessa shit or whatever.
09:14 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how she like gets on to that whole thing.
09:18 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The starlight thing feels so out of nowhere.
09:21 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like,
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where Starlight just shows up.
09:25 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: One taps the guy and is like, yeah, we need you to infiltrate Gadookin for project Odessa disappears.
09:32 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have any further communication with her whatsoever.
09:36 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it also really to me highlighted how inconsistent the amount of influence Vaught has in this universe truly is because
09:47 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes someone screws up and bought immediately comes for them and it's like a no-brainer of course.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
09:53 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
09:54 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So far, is like, oh, we have to do this infiltration at Condolkin because if we try and go on the run, they'll find us and put us in prison again, no matter what.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like right.
10:06 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And then like, also like,
10:09 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: how the fuck does Starlight know where fucking Marie is at any point in time?
10:14 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And why?
10:15 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And how is Marie supposed to contact Starlight with any of this Odessa information that she's now looking out for?
10:23 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it just doesn't make any sense to me that Marie confronts those homelander sympathizers or whatever you want to call them, the assholes from that episode, and
10:37 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Vaught and everyone else involved doesn't really know what's going on, and it's just it's starlight who pieces it together and finds her.
10:46 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Vaught's inconsistency and powers just crazy.
10:49 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they can write that off as now that homelanders and charge the whole administration and bureaucracies completely messed up because I'm sure the deep being in charge of criminology or criminal investigations is a
11:05 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
11:07 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If they want to make them scary but also really bad at what they do, I feel that they need to pick a lane.
11:15 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just such a shit show of an episode for sure.
11:19 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, should we get on to the episode too?
11:22 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm down.
11:22 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to take us away?
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, back at
11:27 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Marie Jordan and Emma.
11:28 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So the whole crew, aside from Andre, Riss and Peace, are under tighter control by Dean Cypher.
11:35 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He begins pushing a like a class called hero optimization seminar where basically he just
11:43 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: has the students like roll it out with a pro superhero and it's done.
11:49 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought those people were dying and then when it cut to them, getting up like they only got punched in the face or whatever, I was like, what is going on?
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
12:01 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Thor.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll get broke.
12:03 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I just like, I remember that when I was rereading the synopsis and I was like, dude, what is going on?
12:15 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and my team's up with Polarity, who's Andre's father, who has the same power as Andre, to begin to hit an archive archives, and they sneak through records maintained by the Rememberer and discover a secret room filled with disturbing things.
12:37 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, such as Nazi and KKK memorabilia, baby photos and birth certificates tied to something called Project Odessa.
12:46 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Marie struggles with guilt over Andre's death because she endured and discussed not really discussed.
12:53 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They have an argument about her leaving the facility and then Marie goes to her.
13:00 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_02]: She has a meeting with Cypher.
13:02 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: where Cypher presents her with medical records showing on trees like backlash from his powers that caused sidestep, which I guess they didn't know about.
13:15 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they knew about that, but I guess the main people didn't know about that.
13:21 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that that might have been an invention in between seasons to sort of explain his absence from the second season.
13:32 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, I know that the micratares was a thing from season one because it was happening to his dad.
13:37 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
13:40 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember he was like in the ambulance with him.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And he started like crushing the ambulance while they're in it.
13:47 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, no, I do remember that.
13:49 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan and Marie hooked up, but they threw this there, able to reconcile the fact that Marie escaped without them and without Kate, or not Kate, Kate's a woman that's under there without Emma.
14:05 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We see Kate in the hospital with, wow, I forgot his name.
14:10 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_02]: golden boys younger brother.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh Sam.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he really hasn't had a big presence in these episodes.
14:16 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised.
14:17 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that would be the major player.
14:19 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Sam visits Kate in the hospital.
14:22 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like basically catatonic.
14:26 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: but he's murdering Emma's name and then causes one of the nurses to brutally attack another nurse.
14:34 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the whole hero optimization seminar thing.
14:37 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that all of the scenes between Cypher and Marie, because the actors for Cypher and Marie really are the best this season.
14:45 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So whenever they're together, they're doing a great job.
14:51 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you up until the reveal in episode four, which we're going to talk about that because I have a lot of theories on what's really going on there?
15:01 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have any inkling that Cypher might not have been a suit because until they tease that I think that that was a possibility I first sure thought he was a soup the entire time because like
15:16 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_02]: all of it like he has like I thought his whole superpowers like extra sensory abilities or something.
15:24 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess it's not that I don't know what they are.
15:29 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did think it would be a little bit like Batman like you're saying that extra sensory abilities or just being really intelligent something along those lines.
15:43 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good that they went a different direction with this.
15:46 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did think it was a good idea to call back.
15:51 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_00]: In case any people watching this show hadn't seen the mainline boys series, them showing the whole room with all of the Nazi and KKK stuff in it was a good reminder that Vaught has its roots
16:13 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: eugenics programs, things like that.
16:15 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was a good reminder, and definitely leans into the idea that this school, a good dog and university, which is named after Thomas Gidolkin, who, by the way, we saw him in the opening scene of the first episode, and that made me wanna throw up when those guys inject the experimental V into their systems.
16:34 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That was so nasty to me.
16:36 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why that one really got me.
16:38 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was pretty on par for the boys,
16:42 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just haven't seen the boys in a while, so going straight back into that.
16:47 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, damn.
16:48 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But I have been watching peacemaker and that's not that much less norley.
16:52 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I keep getting clips of it on TikTok.
16:56 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Where you just blown people's brains out.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You should watch peacemaker.
17:00 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you would enjoy it a lot.
17:01 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
17:03 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to tap it because I keep getting clips of it on TikTok.
17:06 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And like,
17:07 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks pretty good, and I've heard John Cena does a pretty good job in it.
17:12 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And before I watched this show, if you had told me, there's a show starring John Cena, and he's genuinely a great actor.
17:20 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I probably would have laughed in your face and been like, no, there's no way, but he really does a great job.
17:30 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_00]: James Gunn knows how to get his casting down, and it's great.
17:38 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about Kate killing all of the hospital staff?
17:43 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I just wrote it off as like her not really being in controller repairs because she has brain damage.
17:49 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
17:50 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And now looking back at it after what we know in episode four about Cypher, do you think he might have been controlling her to do that?
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So he would have dirt on her to use
18:07 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_02]: burning damage, she was out of it, and just basically pumped someone full of anger.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fair.
18:15 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And as far as Sam goes with him being constantly lobotomized by Kate over and over again, are you in support of that?
18:26 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think this guy needs as much aid as he can get from outside sources or do you think he needs to
18:37 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, that's the last to take ownership of what he did, right?
18:44 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he, he didn't even have like the whole, like, outright in cell pipeline at the end of last season.
18:52 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:52 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the whole internship that they alluded to at the beginning of this season, where him and Kate were working with the seven, um, if you go and watch the main
19:06 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: messed up stuff for the seven.
19:07 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So that their version of an internship was just committing war crimes.
19:12 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Is his mental illness like something he always dealt with?
19:16 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_02]: There's that like something that just is because of his developing powers and hates interference and stuff.
19:23 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder that as well.
19:26 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we know what he has?
19:29 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: His symptoms seem very
19:33 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a friendly, yeah, that's what I thought it was.
19:37 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if they've ever actually called it that, but that does seem to be what they're really leaning into here.
19:42 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at this guy, he had the whole lost puppy thing going for him in season one where you could really sympathize with the guy.
19:51 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And his relationship with Emma really grounded him.
19:54 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I like both of their characters less for them not having a relationship in this
20:01 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And he also hasn't had much of a role.
20:03 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not giving him anything to do.
20:06 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of last season, he was maybe the most important player on the board.
20:11 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He was the most powerful out of anyone.
20:13 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was gearing up that he was going to be like the main villain with Kate for next season.
20:19 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But then not only is he just completely off the board as a villain, he's not even like a character anymore.
20:31 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_02]: the light, like, I don't know what's going on.
20:34 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of going back to what we were talking about with episode one, because this is a question that permeates all of the episodes so far.
20:42 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably go into the whole season.
20:45 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think Odessa is?
20:47 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
20:48 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What are they trying to accomplish here?
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, dude.
20:52 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I met a loss too.
20:54 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I just,
20:55 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: My like running theory right now is that Cypher's power is actually the same as Marie's or like a similar power to her I guess and that like it didn't get to the extent that he wanted it to be so he's like trying to make
21:25 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_02]: what the point of all this of Deso shit is and why he's so deeply involved in it and they're doing such a bad job at making me interested in it.
21:36 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with that.
21:38 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Odessa, I can't tell if, because don't forget, Victoria Newman, she had the same power set as Marie, right?
21:55 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So, well, is it like the whole thing is more reason the only one that survived to the experiment?
22:02 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it because they did show the dossier with all of the failed ones?
22:07 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And they said that everyone who's ever been in Odessa test subject has died.
22:13 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But they didn't specify whether or not anyone had lived past infancy.
22:19 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They just said that everyone was dead, which if they're talking about Newman as part of that,
22:26 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't know, I guess, dude.
22:29 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could just be it's so cut because like that they're like trying to do the whole all looks leave them bread crumbs to this mystery but instead of bread crumbs we don't leave them anything and there's no hints there's literally nothing to go off.
22:48 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just something about this season is not clicking as much as I really wanted it to
22:56 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also because none of it connects back to season one.
23:01 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're making it an extension of the boy season five and not an extension of gen V season one, which is just such a mistake in my opinion.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sorry for anyone who's really enjoying the season.
23:14 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean to be hate-trained all day every day, because I'm sure that I know a lot of people are really enjoying it.
23:22 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The season is getting very good.
23:25 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: reviews overall, and it seems like, especially over on the discord people, they're really enjoying it.
23:31 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't want to take away from anyone's enjoyment, but I just, there's some glaring issues here that I, I can't really get over in this season.
23:43 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And another thing that is confusing me about Odessa is
23:51 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Why now?
23:52 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do we care now?
23:54 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did no one really have this in mind with Marie and season one?
23:58 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like they didn't have this planned or written out when they were writing the first season and they've just shoo-horned it in.
24:05 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's- it feels like not to be insensitive, but like chances death was like
24:14 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: obviously very unfortunate and very out of the blue right and it feels like because of that they're like all fuck what are we supposed to do now that we this character probably had like a major role in like the upcoming plot line and like they probably had to trash up plot line or something and like rewrite it
24:36 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And because of that, there's just so much sloppy elements and like they had to add new shit to make it work, you know?
24:45 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I am a big fan in this show of Jordan.
24:50 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Jordan's character for the most part has been good, especially in the first season and in most of this season.
25:02 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_00]: was the whole plot line of them being mad at Marie for escaping the prison.
25:09 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what is Marie supposed to do?
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Not fucking escape.
25:16 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand.
25:19 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and maybe they are having some misplaced grief over the death of a friend and that's understandable, but it just
25:29 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: was too drawn out for it to be just that.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they resolve the issue.
25:35 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like it never happened to begin with.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And you and I were talking about this on the phone, I think yesterday.
25:42 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were saying that it feels like we're getting resolution to a plot line that we never actually saw.
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't know why I should care.
25:52 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:54 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what literally all of the first two episodes felt like.
26:00 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: 90% of those episodes was them having grievances with the people that like sent them there and like with each other and referencing that time in Elmira.
26:13 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't get to fucking witness any of that.
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And we have no context for it whatsoever.
26:18 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_02]: This is, you're not showing or telling me what happened.
26:22 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no connection to those moments whatsoever.
26:27 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have to agree.
26:29 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about Emma in this episode.
26:31 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that this episode has maybe my favorite Emma moment of the season and the worst
26:43 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to start with what I really enjoyed first because I don't want to go far too far into the hatred.
26:52 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But when Emma is having that conversation with the archive guy and they're just, she's nerding out over his stupid TV show from like the 80s.
27:01 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was the funniest thing average.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The way that they played that was so good.
27:07 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: and then obviously the worst part was when she's high in the archives with polarity.
27:13 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what the writers were thinking with this.
27:18 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Truly.
27:18 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
27:20 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: that when when she was actually goofing off in the archive after like being spending all of episode one being like guys we need to get serious and lock in and and do what's right and expose them for what they're doing and then getting like and then immediately getting high out of her
27:40 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolute mind literally like minutes before they go to do like the thing she was nagging at everyone to do like went to polarity's house and like be like you're being a shitty dad As he's mourning his son's death have this to me off to
28:02 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's like, fuck it, you know, I will honor him, pulls up out of the fucking kindness of his heart and gets it is able to get in there and risk his own life to and she's like, Oh, my God, I was getting so angry.
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I can't watch this right now.
28:23 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so, so cringy.
28:25 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost actually pissing me off.
28:28 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: it's almost like every single scene that Emma's in was written by someone else who had never read any of the other scenes that the character had ever been in like it was truly felt like someone different in every scene and it's just so sad because it's really my big bottom like bottom five moments and all of
28:51 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: the boys TV.
28:54 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that they pulled her back in episode four.
28:57 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that she was pretty funny in episode four and a little bit more locked in.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Was this the episode where they had the
29:19 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: but it does stray a little bit into the territory of this is a little too close to what's happening in real life for me to like truly be invested.
29:28 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Iced God.
29:33 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The Emma dialogue this season has truly been my numbing.
29:41 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so unbelievably bad and it's so unfortunate.
29:46 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: character was so goaded last season and took an insane nose dive.
29:54 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to the B lady who is somehow not dead in the boys.
29:58 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: She's going to die in a really gross way.
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I can, I'm calling.
30:01 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, someone's going to like run into her from behind and it's going to, like, kill them both and then she's going to be like screaming and driving on the ground or something.
30:10 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I did, I saw it from the second.
30:12 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: She was like, oh, if I sting you, it'll kill us both.
30:20 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, was she spits the honey into the jar?
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was insane.
30:26 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
30:26 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They get so creative with the powers.
30:28 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Spit honey though, like... Do that?
30:32 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how bees work if I'm being so honest.
30:35 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they just spit honey on their own.
30:38 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless she's like going out and consuming pollen.
30:42 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she is.
30:44 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That is one thing that I will always give the boys writers credit for is...
30:50 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You can tell that someone in the writer's room was like, I have this idea and I think it's really funny and I'm gonna run with it and everyone else in the room is like, yeah, do that, do anything you want.
31:05 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I put Emma in the archive room.
31:10 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_02]: That was really funny.
31:14 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just,
31:17 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been so much more interesting to me if she had been locked into that or locked into that and really trying to do what she had been wanting to do for the whole season so far.
31:29 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But, alas, that's not what we got.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about dog knot?
31:37 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's this guy supposed to be an illusion, too?
31:40 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know.
31:44 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like.
31:46 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess he's supposed to be Wolverine.
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:53 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just like, oh, whatever character.
31:57 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, for what I remember.
32:01 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: For what I remember.
32:02 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Him with the motorcycle and like the jacket, I don't know what made me think of Mad Max with this guy that this guy belongs in a Mad Max.
32:10 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently.
32:10 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He smells like a Mad Max character.
32:16 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just some Chrome spray paint on this teeth away from being well, and honestly.
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, should we go to the next episode?
32:24 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, down episode three, Marie Jordan Emma and Polarity investigate Project Odessa and uncover some disturbing files linking Vott and Dean Cypher to Marie's birth.
32:36 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Jordan rises to the top student ranking.
32:39 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But publicly rejects Valtz script revealing Andre's death and admitting that they attacked Kate struggles with unstable powers while Sam spirals mentally without her support.
32:52 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: At God, you cafeteria worker test becomes the target for soups as resist flyers keep appearing, hitting, hinting at underground opposition, which we later find out about.
33:11 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_02]: underground opposition aka the on-campus starlighters are actually the dumbest people on the planet.
33:21 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that you and I attend an academic institution with people exactly like this who are just for lack of a better term, performative activists like they
33:41 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: post on their Instagram story, but they don't.
33:45 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: it's unclear why would you put the fucking resist flyer inside of like the kiosk of the only like human people on campus like you're clearly, do you not realize how you're literally not you're not drawing attention to resist your drawing attention to the human that like has no say in your movement you like you're literally forcing them to be a symbol
34:14 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:15 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what really pissed me off about the whole thing was your close enough that you know when the poster gets taken down and you can put up a new one, but you don't see all these fucking assholes bullying this girl because of the poster you're putting up.
34:29 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't buy it.
34:30 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what's going on.
34:32 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the spray paint thing on the wall, right?
34:34 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And like that's the
34:44 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_02]: What is this has to be the dumbest like it's so stupid.
34:51 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so dumb.
34:52 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets at first.
34:53 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh Emma's gonna catch like a the teleporter asshole guy that's like fucking with her to like cause like Rift in humans and soups on campus, right?
35:08 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, no, we're actually starlighters and I literally face palm.
35:12 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, huh, whoever wrote this has never been to a protest has never, like, ever, oh my god, it's so fun.
35:23 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
35:23 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they wrote it pretty accurately, where these two people are just, I guess, yeah, I've seen some pretty stupid people at
35:37 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: people who think that they're accomplishing something when they're not really doing a whole lot, which, yeah, there's a lot of that going on right now where no action, all bark, nobody.
35:52 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, I thought that Jordan doing their whole reveal was profoundly stupid and yeah, it killed my way.
36:01 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you We didn't talk about this over the phone, but a holy fuck.
36:06 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, are we serious right now?
36:09 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're just gonna fucking punish you
36:14 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They're what is going on and then oh my god in the next episode when they're like giving them the punishment and they're like I'm not gonna do that what the fuck are we talking about and they're like you have and they're like, oh Fuck I have to do that What did you think was gonna happen?
36:32 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the same thing as in the next episode which I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself for whatever when
36:41 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: they break into Dean Cypher's house and he's like dipshit, I have cameras.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the 21st century.
36:48 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same sort of they're writing these these main cast members as such idiots.
36:57 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And they feel like the the robbers from home alone.
37:03 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They do and they feel almost like they
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: emotional maturity.
37:13 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just so far out of a person of that age.
37:20 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
37:20 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of ridiculous to me at this point.
37:23 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And
37:24 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: all of the decisions these characters are making seem to have no real reason for them to be made.
37:30 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
37:31 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And getting into episode four, we have the blood bender facing off against the gender bender and a publicity stunt meant to demean both of its participants.
37:42 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Cypher reveals his ugly side to Kate who gets to witness our favorite mind violating Dean's powers first hand as he forces the fight between Jordan and Murray.
37:51 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And the brings in the bushmaster further into the fold and gets an even more shocking glimpse at Cypher's ugly side than Kate did.
38:00 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The main cast learns once again that Cypher knows their
38:09 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the dumbest reveal ever because obviously he was fucking well.
38:12 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, is it just me or Bushmaster was so terrible?
38:16 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, obviously it's funny, but it's like, isn't the whole thing?
38:19 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, she's insecure about her power.
38:22 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And now you're like, I know it's supposed to be like a taking it back, making it something for her to be proud of or whatever it embrace.
38:31 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like,
38:32 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You're the second person she's told and you've known her.
38:35 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You've interacted with her for like under two hours and you're doing it.
38:39 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like it's just insensitive.
38:42 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:43 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like it was just like when I heard that I was like, what the hell?
38:47 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I was there, I'd be pissed.
38:51 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The best part was she didn't do anything with her bush that she couldn't have done with her hands.
39:03 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like, what's the, is the whole point of her power?
39:07 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's funny.
39:08 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
39:09 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I totally just played for laughs.
39:13 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That into trying, bring Emma's confidence up by having these two girls who, like, look up to her kind of, but it's just strange.
39:27 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The, their whole relationship is strange, the fact that Emma felt empowered to,
39:32 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: give her the name Bushmaster after knowing her for five minutes.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just so funny.
39:38 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And after she gets the whole spiel of a spiel that she's like very sensitive about it and doesn't share that with anyone.
39:45 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, you're go to throw.
39:48 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:49 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward kind of to the romance that seems to be developing between was it a question?
39:56 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Master's brother or tail girl, tail girl's brother.
39:59 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Bushmaster's brother, actually.
40:02 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:03 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But then it begs the question, are they not going to pursue anything between Emma and Sam anymore?
40:09 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it seemed like that was, I don't know, I think.
40:14 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's probably over.
40:16 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_02]: If I was, am I would never be able to get back with Sam?
40:22 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or at the very least, it can't happen this season.
40:25 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be moving things way too fast.
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see how the writing is so far.
40:36 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I could see it this season.
40:38 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:42 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: have been really liking how Dean Cypher has truly been a step ahead of everyone this whole time and it's not even a step ahead in a way that's like, oh, this guy's playing 40 chests.
40:57 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I've ever seen the clip of the comedian Caleb here and where he's like, you're in the sandbox, I'm at the fucking gun store.
41:04 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how it feels with Cypher.
41:06 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, all of these characters are just written as so stupid that Cypher seems smart by comparison, but he's not actually doing anything that impressive.
41:17 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's more just nothing or what they're doing is truly a threat to him.
41:23 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't care.
41:28 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've got a big theory here that I'm going to share.
41:33 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that I'm not the first person who's thought of this.
41:37 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're on my side, you let me know.
41:41 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy in the hyperbaric chamber, I think, is good olken.
41:45 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that, I think that good olken is completely controlling
41:56 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: does not have any actual superpowers or it's not detectable because he's just a meat puppet for Gidolkin in the chamber.
42:03 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, he's part of the KKK and I'm Nazi.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he'd be able to spend so much time with Murray.
42:09 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, yeah, that's actually a really good point.
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about that.
42:14 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Either that or Cypher is Gidolkin's son.
42:19 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was thinking, like he's somehow related to Gidolkin.
42:24 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I feel like if Gidolkin was still around in that way, truly like functional, wouldn't he just be doing his experiments still?
42:34 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing that points me towards him either being a Gidolkin or Gidolkin son is
42:44 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that he goes by the name Dr. Gold, which is kind of very sounding familiar to that.
42:50 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:50 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So kind of a little hint there and his whole deal.
42:54 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that you were completely on the right track when you said earlier that Cypher might be another Odessa or like have some kind of connection to having the same powers as Murray.
43:07 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
43:07 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just guessing on that man.
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not like, you know what I mean?
43:12 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I was my best guess from what we've seen, but I would not put money on that.
43:18 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's very possible.
43:20 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: This episode, I feel was it shorter and run time?
43:26 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite remember, but it was.
43:28 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so similar.
43:31 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It felt a lot faster.
43:32 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It felt like things were actually moving along in this episode.
43:35 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I will give them that.
43:38 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It did feel more interesting for sure than the other episodes.
43:43 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The other episodes I did not feel like.
43:45 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt indifferent for the most part interest wise.
43:51 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that this most recent episode was a lot more attention-grabbing for sure.
43:57 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Is Cipher doing something really dangerous for himself by training Marie to not serve powers better?
44:06 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Supposedly he is, right?
44:08 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_02]: If she's truly like the key to being like the most powerful soup or whatever they're fucking saying, but I don't know.
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a red herring.
44:18 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think she's ever going to get to meet her sister in this show?
44:23 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
44:23 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like she's already given up.
44:25 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit, because I don't know, for me on the one hand, I know we know as audience members that what happened to Marie's parents.
44:35 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: was obviously not her fault.
44:37 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, if you've paid attention to the show for five seconds, it's very, but like it's still like a, even though it's not her fault.
44:45 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like her sister had to watch her manslaughter her parents.
44:50 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's similarly traumatic for her sister.
44:55 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I could completely understand her still not wanting to,
45:01 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_02]: meet with her ever again, even after knowing the truth?
45:05 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
45:06 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If I trip over a rock and bumped into you and you fell off a cliff and died, I wouldn't expect your family to have kind feelings towards me.
45:16 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
45:16 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's even though it's things accidently.
45:20 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like if I like
45:23 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_02]: fucking stepped on a pressure plate that exploded your family home with your family and it and it was a hidden pressure plate I would still feel like somewhat guilty.
45:32 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I would still like I wouldn't be like oil.
45:34 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my fault, but I'd still like understand if you're like dude like I can't be friends with you anymore.
45:41 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
45:44 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only family that she really has left her and her
45:49 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: mom's best friend, which I did like the scene between her mom's friend and her.
45:56 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought that was actually well written, where she was like, I had to, I I can't like you back in her life because she doesn't want you to be in her life.
46:05 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was also a sweet moment to see them bonding a little bit over, you know, looking at the old pictures and everything.
46:13 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that Marie was able to take those pictures with her and have that connection to her family
46:20 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's going to get any sort of real connection, which then begs the question of if she's not going to reconnect with her sister, why do all of this, but at the same time, if she does connect with her sister, that's not necessarily the most satisfying thing, they have written themselves into a little bit of a corner where I don't think that they can make something satisfying
46:49 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I think if she gets to meet with her, it's going to feel like a bailout.
46:54 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then what does that really contribute to the overall story?
46:57 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Marie seems like at this point, the most.
47:02 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless her sister is like the key to Odessa, that could be interesting.
47:07 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I, and like it turns out that the experiment wasn't actually on Marie, but like her parents.
47:14 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, whatever her mom, but I don't think that's going to be it.
47:20 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That would actually be interesting.
47:22 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be like a holy fuck.
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually invested now.
47:26 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:26 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But in my opinion, that's literally the only way for them to justify bringing the sister into the story.
47:36 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that makes a lot of sense for her sister to also be a soup or related to Odessa, because they drop all of those hints about Marie's parents having fertility issues.
47:52 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They did the whole project or the whole V serum experiment.
47:59 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And they opted into that so that they could have a child.
48:02 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
48:02 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's entirely possible that like you said, the mother was the subject of the tests.
48:08 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how the kids were born.
48:10 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: because it would make a lot of sense for her to have just gone through these trials and had her fertility issues fixed by whatever weird messed up experimentation vault was doing.
48:22 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And now she just has this, these superpowered kids because of it.
48:27 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
48:30 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that we should get into our interesting moments.
48:34 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to start us off with some of the things that you thought were the most interesting out of these first few episodes?
48:40 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Or first half of this season, really.
48:42 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the glimpse into Gidolkin, so all the stuff that we got to like see in the archive was actually really interesting aside from Emma and human soup differentiation on campus like when we got that that they have like their little like name cards and the like how the soups can come into school for free without any like security, but then humans have to like go through the security scanning area.
49:10 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really interesting.
49:11 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I was glad that they included that in that in episode three.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was one of the more very distilled moments.
49:19 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, very much was.
49:22 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was great.
49:23 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I just got to give a big shout out.
49:26 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I call out a Bob whenever I see it in a show, especially if it's a a fuck ass Bob like Jordan's.
49:36 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny to me that they decided to go a different direction and give both the male version and the female version of Jordan the same haircut because in season one they had two different haircuts and they just were like well
49:52 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: we're just going to go full on Bob for everyone.
49:55 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And at first, it was really jarring to see the male Jordan with the Bob.
50:00 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this looks really strange on the character, but it's kind of growing on me.
50:05 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really funny.
50:06 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think you won't.
50:09 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_02]: fine with it.
50:10 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that there is the added benefit that both actors portraying Jordan are very good looking individuals.
50:19 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like whatever haircut you put on them, they're going to look fine.
50:22 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I already said this, but Marie's whole storyline with her mom's best friend was done really well.
50:27 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Marie has especially in the first three episodes.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: She was the standout where a lot of
50:36 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: They felt like they were written by completely different teams of writers and not very faithfully.
50:42 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There's almost a little fan fictiony in those first three episodes for everyone who wasn't Marie.
50:48 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then... Not like our redditers idea of a plot line.
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
50:53 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a really great way to describe it but a really sad observation for the season.
51:01 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The cool though, in an episode one, that was just so gnarly.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: writers of the boys.
51:07 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You always manage to, between your writing and with the special effects team, make me feel sick to my fucking stomach when I watch this show sometimes.
51:16 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what I expect out of you, so well done.
51:20 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: After our hate train, what's your overall takeaway?
51:28 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, what a disappointment, boring, boring, boring.
51:33 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_02]: We know most soups are bad people and treat others poorly and why is this becoming a huge plot point now like it hasn't already been part of the series in the boys the whole time.
51:41 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that they want to make a tribute to chance, but are we seriously making everything revolve around Andre's death?
51:48 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, come on, why is that basically everyone's motivator?
51:51 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I get his dad, but I'm gonna do the guy for like two seconds.
51:55 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Acting actually is not bad, but writing is you can see Murray's actor doing a good job putting emotion inter lazierly written mysterious backstory.
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_02]: God why are they giving him a legit the worst time?
52:08 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I look ever like when she talks to fullerity at the zoo on campus or later as I feel like I'm dying.
52:16 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give this season so far a pp at a poo poo otherwise known as a four out of ten.
52:21 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for he throws wise words.
52:25 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the boys a lot better when the satire wasn't so close to real life.
52:30 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, it's not really the boys' fault.
52:34 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_00]: The real world has kind of moved to the line closer to where the satire is.
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is a problem for me nonetheless.
52:41 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I wake up every morning and I see new horrors in the news.
52:45 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I watch Gen V or the boys.
52:48 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a superhero version of the news.
52:51 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not for me anymore, I don't know.
52:54 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I was really looking forward to having like several degrees of separation between this show and the mainline boys because season one had such awesome characters and it was its own vibe, they really had their own thing going on.
53:08 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But now they're trying so hard to tie it all in together and be the boys in a way that doesn't feel satisfying for me.
53:18 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:18 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did we get multiple cameos from the main show in the first three episodes?
53:22 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even talk about the fucking deep in his cameo at the, uh, uh, frat house.
53:28 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that one made so much more sense at least than the fucking starlight one, though.
53:34 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed, because he's totally the fucking, he's the kind of guy who never left the frat, like he totally, exactly.
53:44 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like,
53:46 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: peaked into high school guy who just is so strange with all these pledges and it's awful.
53:53 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I will disagree with Chase on one thing.
53:55 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the Andre's death plot line was handled really well.
53:59 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that it was a good way to sort of acknowledge and handle the real-life tragic situation.
54:05 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they had acknowledged it less, I think it would have been strange.
54:10 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's low-key, weirder that they're making it such a big part of the show's plot, especially like
54:19 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, a more unserious show, like the low key feels a little more disrespectful that way.
54:25 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, Marine, Emma, like, knew the guy for, like, Marine knew the guy for literally less than a semester.
54:34 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Emma only knew the guy personally for, like, legit less than 24 hours worth of time spent with him.
54:41 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
54:43 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that
54:46 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: because they all knew each other throughout the course of the whole first season, it makes some more sense.
54:51 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do, I get what you're saying.
54:53 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's too strong of a reaction that they're all getting.
54:57 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But then again, they were thrown into prison together, they went through these complete life-threatening situations together.
55:05 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's bound to bond some people together.
55:07 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm
55:09 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to firmly land on the side of I think this was well done and if they end that storyline here and the only result of it was bringing polarity more into the fold, that's fine with me.
55:22 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: If they continue it on, I would also be happy with that.
55:25 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I more thought it was weird that it's like they're pretending like that's their only motivator.
55:30 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when in reality, they had so much going on in the first season.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they wanted to find answers.
55:35 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to bring down the boss.
55:37 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_02]: They were already breaking into the experiment lab without.
55:41 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is that like your whole thing now?
55:43 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_02]: That should be like a, obviously, that's good reason too.
55:47 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like we're pretending like that's the reason.
55:51 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You just started Rebelling now.
55:53 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's your whole awakening to it.
55:56 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
55:57 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They cared far before.
55:59 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_00]: any of that happened and it doesn't make sense that they, that's their only reason for caring now.
56:07 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But, Michelle, it held enough onto its unique five to keep me invested, especially when they went into that fourth episode, I got a little bit more invested, but if they don't stick the landing on this season and give us a really thoughtful resolution,
56:29 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't know if I'm going to tune into the last season of the boys.
56:32 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like the last season.
56:34 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that it was really, it was awful.
56:39 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
56:40 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just the last season of the boys was so boring.
56:43 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened.
56:44 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: All the characters were written terribly.
56:48 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And if this show can't bring back some of that charm, I just won't care.
56:54 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, I don't know that I'm going to finish the boys.
56:58 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's fair.
56:59 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, with that being said, give any final thoughts for us before we start to wrap up today.
57:05 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess just a similar takeaway that you had just now, like I really hope it gets better.
57:13 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Because this season is, it's low key like hard to watch.
57:20 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's absolutely certain points in this season where I'm like, oh my god, if I wasn't talking about this on the podcast, I might skip ahead 35, 40 seconds, whatever.
57:35 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, if we want to talk about this on a podcast as soon as that Emma polarity moment happened, I think I would have dropped the show.
57:43 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
57:44 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, dude.
57:45 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to take us out here?
57:47 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, everyone.
57:47 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's all we've got for Gen V today.
57:53 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for joining us.
57:56 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And we hope you tune in again.
57:58 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that you're enjoying the show more than I am.
58:04 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:04 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to let us know everything that you enjoyed and how we're so completely wrong about everything, please do.
58:12 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Please send some messages in the discord.
58:16 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Send us an email.
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58:22 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_00]: the podcast as always, as well as all of the links to the affiliates we are proud members of the Barovian Broadcasting Network, also known as the Lorounds Network, and we are in this together with some excellent podcasts like Woolshiff Dust, the Star Wars Cannon Timeline podcast, Rings and Rituals, properly our movie review, the Severance podcast, nevermind the music,
58:49 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Alicia and Jean are doing week by week coverage of peacemaker and that's been a really fun time.
58:57 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a super hero show that I've been enjoying immensely a whole lot more than the boys, unfortunately, but it's awesome.
59:03 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Go check that out and David just finished up his coverage squadron style like he did with Andor of Alien Earth, which I haven't seen yet.
59:14 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_00]: but I got to make a really fun little eye-mage emoji for that show for the discord.
59:20 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So go and check it out, go check out that coverage.
59:23 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They're having a lot of fun over there.
59:24 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to get a hold of us, please check our description and tune in because they're doing some amazing things.
59:32 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And without further ado, we will see you next week.
59:37 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully with Richard who might bring a little bit of a positive spin to our negativity party over here and we will see you then.