John, Elysia, and Anthony from Properly Howard Movie Review recap the third episode of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. They talk about the Dunk & Egg relationship, the implications of book changes, and the tough spot Dunk has found himself in.
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00:20 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to a joint lower-hounds and properly-powered podcast covering a night of the Seven Kingdoms on HBO Max.
00:26 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm John and with me today, she'll tell you your unsettling fortune if you ask nicely, Alicia.
00:31 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, glad to be here with you.
00:34 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I see, I see your aim, ending in flames.
00:40 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's still making sure he has all his fingers, maister, Anthony, LaDon.
00:44 --> 00:44 [SPEAKER_03]: very happy to be here.
00:45 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Today we are recapping season one episode two.
00:48 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The Squire will give our hot takes on the episode then go into a scene by scene breakdown.
00:53 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_03]: The main breakdown will be on this feed every week, but to get additional content like our Sunday night instant take or weekly feedback episode, you can head over to properly Howard with me at Anthony and Steve.
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01:41 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't imagine that I won't be watching it Friday night.
01:45 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it's not like I have anything scheduled that late on Friday.
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02:53 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so if you need more information on who we are, what we're covering all that, you can check the season preview, but for now, let's get right into hot takes Anthony, what'd you think of the episode?
03:02 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I think this episode had one of my favorite scenes, and one of my least favorite scenes, and I love the scene that I'm positive about.
03:13 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_03]: twice as much as I dislike the scene that I am not positive about.
03:18 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So do we get to know which is which?
03:19 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to see it with you, but I do think that all and all, I just, I'm willing to forgive a lot of the deficits and because I love the things that they're doing well so much more than I dislike things that they are tripping up.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
03:43 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's right.
03:44 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_04]: So you're not going to tell us the scene's time.
03:45 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Just to be clear.
03:46 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy to talk with this scene.
03:49 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy to talk with the scene that I just had to rewatch.
03:54 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And I rewatch over and over.
03:56 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just loved it every time was the little playground song that egg was singing about the black fire rebellion and all of the key characters.
04:08 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And it just, it brought such,
04:11 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_03]: texture to the world is like of course, of course the kids are going to have some little body song that they are singing in the court yards that is fundamentally different than bearer the main fair or you know, Alice in three fingers or whatever.
04:28 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_03]: The kids are going to have a different sensibility.
04:30 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to have different kinds of playful songs that give a different perspective on the world.
04:38 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was just a wonderfully textured window into how oral culture works.
04:46 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_03]: It's exactly the kind of song that you wouldn't work well if you tried to write it down.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, we did, uh, Susie.
05:01 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Susie, it's like the steamboat had a bell.
05:03 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Susie went to heaven, the steamboat went to Hello operator.
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
05:07 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:08 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And the only way that I know that, don't make clear, you don't need to know the name of persons.
05:13 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
05:14 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Just Alice had a steamboat, exact.
05:17 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And three fingers at all.
05:19 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
05:20 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is the kind of thing that I only ever heard through oral culture.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was done.
05:25 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I grew up in a different time and so there was such a thing as oral culture, but it was never written down for me.
05:34 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the Hello Operator sort of bleeding from the, you know, the bad, swear hell.
05:41 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It works if you're hearing it phonetically and it doesn't necessarily work as well if you're trying to write it out as a poem.
05:48 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course this world's going to have little things like that.
05:51 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_03]: and i just thought it it was wonderful that they brought that in it's exactly the kind of thing i would love to see more of and whoever came up with that little rhyme was just a brilliant they understand the world very well they understand how to bring texture to a story like this and egg
06:13 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Just nails it, you know, just sitting on a tree branch, whittling while he's singing it like he's sung it a thousand times.
06:22 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Just a wonderful performance and I just let everything about that little scene.
06:28 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And we know whoever wrote this scene did not skip the songs in the Lord of the Rings.
06:33 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, the scene that I did not like as well was the Woods Witch prophecy, which I just think was storytelling malpractice and as a podcaster who's doing my best to keep secrets and not spoil things, it makes it really hard to podcast about a show.
07:03 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_03]: when you just kind of it like they're not even sitting down.
07:08 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no flames going on that just it's like a walk and talk and all the sudden there's just a woman that they bump into and they and she ruins the entire story for everyone.
07:20 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_03]: If it's true.
07:21 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just sure.
07:22 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we'll have to talk about this more in the Yeah, it's hard.
07:25 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to even get for the spoiler session section because it's so bald face such a bald face like it's not even it's not even like
07:38 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_03]: veiled with, you know, symbolism or something.
07:41 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_03]: She just says it and walks away.
07:43 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's very difficult for me to not look at that and think, why would you do this to the story?
07:53 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you pull the rug out underneath from underneath your story in this way?
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't get it.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get that at all.
08:01 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, so of about the prophecy, I'll say that even we like what we think we know comes from in universe canon reference books, but even that is like hazy at best about the what's in the words of, of, you know.
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: things later in Dunkin Egg's lives.
08:20 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is interesting that they chose to include this, particularly, I mean, George R. Martin presumably approved that or didn't tell them not to do it, or I don't know, but I am confused about why also because
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was weird.
08:39 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen a fortune teller come up to someone say, let me tell you you're fortunate and then just walk away without asking for money or anything.
08:46 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why not?
08:46 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Why isn't there money involved?
08:48 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Why is she a real fortune teller here?
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is the real deal.
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_04]: She needs no coin because she knows the lottery.
08:56 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything about this woman tells me, and it's a show with prophecy, we know this is a magical world.
09:03 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything about this woman tells me that she knows what she's talking about.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_03]: She's, she's foreseen the future.
09:10 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't doubt her at all, and it's in an episode where we find out that he's a secret Targaryen and he's in line for the throne.
09:19 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm just sitting here as if you were thinking,
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you do it?
09:26 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you decided to do it in episode three, why do it this way?
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I really don't get it.
09:34 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's an interesting factoid that probably means nothing.
09:38 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it just happened to be the same actress as the in-keeper?
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We met in episode one?
09:44 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
09:45 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Really?
09:46 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Why would they reuse her?
09:56 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I, is so, okay, so that, that aside, that would be my one quibble.
10:00 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I was surprised by it, but I actually laughed out loud to the reaction, like, what does she mean?
10:05 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a god, I don't worry about it.
10:09 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But overall, my response to this episode is, I think, you know, it's what I was hoping going into this week, like we can now say, uh, egg is a Targaryen, okay, let's stop hiding that.
10:22 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's not really much else.
10:26 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: to hide really I mean we do know where the story goes we won't ruin that but we don't have to like trip over ourselves not talking about anything and we see at the end of this episode already you know we have the worries like done click oh my god how is he gonna fare in a chest now it's like doesn't matter he's got bigger problems and here the story goes and it's kicking off going full speed from here for the last three oh wait are we yeah we're halfway through yeah halfway through
10:55 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_04]: It's both sooner than I thought it would be, and later that I thought it would be, and this whole scene at least.
11:02 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I thought perhaps they would have changed the way they revealed it, but I was surprised at how early the confrontation comes.
11:10 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's gonna be an interesting ride going forward.
11:12 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's gonna be a lot of surprises, even for book readers.
11:17 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that this episode did the best job so far at capturing the relationship between Dunkin' Egg.
11:23 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like real, like, brotherly bond.
11:26 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_04]: this, you know, kindly, you know, saying that he's going to, you know, feed him his fist, but then kindly showing him how to sew on a patch, you know, the training of the horse, the just sharing stories.
11:39 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, there's a scene in this, and I put this on under the
11:49 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_04]: is like the core of the show is just a grasping for meaning from dunk and dunk just doing his best.
11:57 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely doing his best to meet that moment.
12:00 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the core of the relationship and I, and I, well, absolutely.
12:04 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_03]: In addition to that, dunk kind of like,
12:07 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_03]: only a fool would interpret this kind of song in the way that you're interpreted.
12:13 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it first he's like kind of like incredulous.
12:16 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, why are we talking about this?
12:19 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And then always a little bit like he's always a little bit slow in the uptake is like, oh, like I would have never saw the song that way but now that I've heard it that way, I probably can't unhear that interpretation.
12:33 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
12:33 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a different kind of conversation that I was going to thought I was
12:38 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_04]: we know that Alice had great prowess, you know?
12:42 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_03]: She is hope she's hope for all people's.
12:48 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: She's she though.
12:50 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_03]: She represents what is in a doubty spirit.
12:54 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: She represents the most base of the male gaze.
13:00 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, I mean, my Zencaster named today is respect for ya, Alice, I do think.
13:07 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I do think that Egg is trying to bring a little bit of, you know, he's trying to put a little spotlight, light of all of the Alice, the, for sure.
13:21 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, assholes aside, let's get right into the episode, training comes first.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't call an asshole.
13:31 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're saying you're calling us.
13:33 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
13:34 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, I'm not calling you an asshole.
13:36 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking about the puckered bits that Alice deals with.
13:39 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, all right, egg weeks early to train thunder and ready the horse for Dunks first joust.
13:45 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, initially, stubborn thunder learns the charge.
13:47 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Dunk, sorry, egg is interrupted by the one-eyed sur Robin Reesling, riceling, the mattest night in the seven kingdoms.
13:57 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Egg boasts of Sir Duncan the Tall, who has spent the morning unnecessarily vomiting as only nights of high birth and renown will be allowed to compete today.
14:06 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Duncan is initially cold to egg, but he teaches him how to so gently egg also sings a song we're counting the Black Fire Rebellion.
14:13 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is where I wanted to open it for Anthony.
14:16 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_04]: If you wanted to talk at all about the Black Fire Rebellion, obviously not like a long one, but you know a little background for those who are more cursory in there, Martin.
14:25 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think, I mean, that's, it's really sort of the history that puts Westeros in the place that it is right now.
14:33 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you listen to the song, you'll find out that some of these people are ill-begotten.
14:38 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you know, as you might imagine,
14:43 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Westrose is most at peace when the line of succession is secure, and everyone's pretty happy with who's on the iron throne.
14:52 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the story of the latest political civil strips.
14:59 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Aegon, the unworthy, decides he's going to legitimate all of his bastard-born children on the throne, or on his deathbed.
15:08 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, this launches the kingdom into us of a war.
15:12 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_03]: And some of the characters in the show, we will meet fought on the side of the winners and some fought on the side of the losers.
15:23 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And you can imagine the sort of the political ascendants of those who chose the right side and the descendants of those fought on the wrong side.
15:34 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, the songs tell the story, too.
15:37 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the winners get to think up the best songs to celebrate their victory.
15:44 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_03]: And so this particular song is from the perspective, you know, Darren, the good who is able to put down the civil, the uprising is it where?
15:57 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_04]: very good.
15:58 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this target family doesn't really know how to get along as we're learning from these two shows is a lot of fighting between the factions.
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I can I just ask for a reminder?
16:09 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, so the song we have, they talk about Prince Baylor and Prince Maker, which are the two older princes that we saw last week, you know, the Baylor's the one who remembered Sir Arlin.
16:24 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so they were the hammer in the envelope and so they are obviously, they were on the winning side, uh, they, you know, one, the award, but the fact that they're here to make a men's, remind me that the, uh, ashtray, the family there are where they on the losing side.
16:42 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
16:42 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, uh, you know, I'm sure that we'll be able to find out afterwards, which side, Lord asks Ashford was part of, um, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I don't know if I ever thought to
16:53 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, I mean, thank you Anthony for all that background on Black Fire Rebellion and Alicia for your clarification because that's, it's interesting stuff to think about who, whose sale goes further and whose sale is kind of torn to shreds in the ascendancy here.
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_04]: I am mixing so many metaphors.
17:11 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, I'm going on.
17:14 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_04]: So does anyone know why I was vomiting this morning or is it a mystery?
17:24 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_04]: were making about jury duty.
17:27 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, apparently Dunk does not understand.
17:30 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I love the way Egg goes.
17:32 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you a night of hybrid them around?
17:37 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved how when Egg as soon as he woke up.
17:42 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe he was already awake, but he actually makes a horse noise.
17:46 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
17:48 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was like it was a clever cut of scenes, you know, to him with the horse in the field.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So he was making it, but you also heard those.
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So he just went normal horse.
17:58 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, and then they cut to the horse.
17:59 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I thought it was making the noise, too.
18:01 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm just making the noise, too.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It was clarified in like one of the behind the scenes things I watched.
18:07 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
18:07 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was the first thing he taught Thunder was how to go.
18:11 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I did like that in the sense that it's almost like as a nine year old, of course, if you're thinking about horses, you're just going to start making horse noises.
18:22 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: No, before you do anything with the actual horrors.
18:25 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think he did, like, he was, I think it was a sigh, I suppose, but it was kind of maybe it was in horsey intentionally, but maybe not as realistic as that.
18:37 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he still has a human mouth and throat.
18:40 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
18:50 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I always say, I just always say it doesn't matter, I get so I'm so I have no tolerance for people who are, gets, get, like, authentic about, yes, yes.
19:03 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because like on, you know, we go through on electric booklet, we go through the Song of Ice and Fire chapter by chapter.
19:11 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of times, my, the best guess are the people who have been reading
19:18 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So before any of the names were actually on screen or you actually heard Martin like say the name and an interview, these people had a name that they were saying in their head and they keep saying it that way and I think it's totally fine.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't, I mean, honestly, I don't.
19:33 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Also when my students get a Hebrew name wrong, I say look, no one, this is ancient Hebrew.
19:39 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_03]: No one speaks this anymore.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_03]: We're guessing.
19:41 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_03]: We're guessing that how these things are pronounced.
19:44 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's fine, just do it how you wanna do it.
19:48 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_04]: We should do a bonus episode where we just put the list of names from the Wheel of Time in front of you and have you read them on air.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be fun.
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Just, just guess.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Here, you know what?
20:00 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's give a sample.
20:02 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Try this one.
20:02 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I knew that's what you're going to start with.
20:08 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We're here.
20:08 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do another one.
20:12 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that I still say, quote unquote wrong.
20:16 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, this is an innovate.
20:17 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Nine-eve, nine-eve.
20:20 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right.
20:22 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And the one I get wrong all the time.
20:25 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Shiny cod piece, no, what is it?
20:29 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_03]: CadSwaney?
20:31 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's in between the correct and what I say.
20:33 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I always say CadSwaney in my head, but it's actually CadSwaney.
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_03]: CadSwaney.
20:39 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just, I've got no wheel of time, I know wheel of time exposure, what's so up?
20:48 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_04]: If you are someone who does not like complicated fans, fantasy names that are just unnecessarily complicated in their pronunciation, just stay away from the wheel of time.
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We want people to go toward the wheel of time.
21:03 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, you don't have to say them out loud.
21:06 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_00]: the start of podcast about it.
21:08 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so, um, yeah, I mean, I just really like this old scene, but my question, uh, pronunciation's aside, what's his deal?
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_04]: This one I'd night tier.
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's mad.
21:22 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He was barefoot, wasn't he?
21:24 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Was he?
21:25 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't even notice.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know about the sky, Alicia?
21:31 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious if you have, because I was, I recognize the name, but I don't recognize the carer.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's not a name that stands out to me.
21:45 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's definitely part of, I think the thing in the novella is that there are a bunch of background characters
21:58 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spoil any plot, but unless they become important, then we don't really remember them.
22:05 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just a sea of nobility in the background.
22:08 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was my thought that he was one of those.
22:12 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's the best I could do to this guy is he's on the page without any kind of
22:20 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no hint of him having any kind of personality at all, and they've decided to do something interesting with him.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Super, seemingly, super religious.
22:35 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's sort of a Jamie Lannister type in that he views himself as conduit of the warrior
22:45 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_04]: uh... speaks with the real we and uh... just a kind of interesting guy while i'm looking forward to any expansion line all they did a great job expanding him and so let's see what they have in store with this guy i i don't think they introduced him for a month off i think this is going to now some kind of new development and like i said we have three more episodes i think we probably only have two worth of book material so they've got a pad at what something else hmm
23:13 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get 10 z more.
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_04]: If 10 z more, it's not going to happen.
23:17 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: At least I'm sorry.
23:18 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's too late.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry.
23:19 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's get out on the town.
23:22 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't clumsily buys goose eggs and runs into 10 z.
23:27 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, buddy.
23:28 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Just the, just the image of him squatting, trying to get it lying in the egg is the eggs are right there.
23:35 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_04]: He can't just point to them.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the squat and pretend to lay an egg.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Amazing.
23:40 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_04]: As he runs into Tanzi, he cooks himself in egg breakfast, he cooks egg his eggs, and the two enjoy the day's jals a mid-verbal jouse between them.
23:50 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Egg day dreams about a simple life and asks if he can continue it done after the tourney before done can answer he's interrupted by the master of games.
24:00 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That looks like the most satisfying breakfast sandwich ever.
24:04 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I know, right?
24:04 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Except it looked like the, you know, you better not have any feelings because that breakfast is going to pull them out.
24:12 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I don't think I've ever had a goose egg to be honest.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I was noticing the yolks are massive.
24:19 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_03]: They're good.
24:20 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're, they're not, um, they are, they're much bigger, right?
24:24 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're a little goose here, but other than that, they're very much like a chicken egg.
24:30 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_04]: It only takes ever see if they're on assignments, but never real one.
24:36 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_03]: The conversation that Dunkin' Egg have on the hillside, where Egg is basically saying, I could see myself happy in a spot like this, and he's kind of imagining the life for himself that it has nothing to do with courts, or you know, high lords and ladies, um,
24:59 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, just kind of living a more simple life farming, you know, marrying the second prettiest girl in the air in the region or whatever, he just throw it a bone to dunk fair, right?
25:12 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Like he didn't have to do that, but but he just like let me gas up the boss here.
25:16 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_03]: He it really to me that was it made me want.
25:23 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_03]: dunk to succeed even more because I want Egg to be able to be a squire as much as I want dunk to be able to be a knight.
25:32 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Egg is wise enough to have seen the life at court and know that it has deficits and he's lived around King's Landing long enough and just to see that it makes everyone miserable.
25:48 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And he has no desire to sort of live in a house of the dragon episode.
25:54 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And now that he knows that, and now that he's seen the good side of life, I kind of need for that to happen for him.
26:06 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I need for him to be able to be a squire with Sir Duncan the tall.
26:10 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And I almost want that more than I want, you know, dunked to, you know, ascend the ranks.
26:17 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_04]: It's such a stark contrast to, I mean, spoilers for House of the Dragon, but I think we're clear that there are spoilers for anything.
26:23 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I need that.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I need that.
26:25 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I need that.
26:25 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I need TV that's aired.
26:27 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to spoil like books stuff that hasn't aired, but, you know, game of thrones and House of the Dragon is fair game, whatever's aired so far.
26:34 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_04]: uh... i- i- it's a start contrast with uh... milly alcox reneira when uh... what's his name the fuck boy kingsguard he goes hey can we we yes christian coal mister mister fuck boy he goes hey let's go to us so so so so just you know let's let's get out of here let's live a small life and she's like it i love this court i am going to rule it and i am better than you goodbye
27:02 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... but you can still be my my play toy uh... just a shout out to christian coal amazing in task as have either you seen the hp no task no i haven't he's i mean he's a great actor he's really great in the hate this guy he's really good in that show i forget i forget it's the the actors he's always christian called me um this this scene with egg
27:33 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_03]: it it's absolutely the heart of the show.
27:36 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like if this guy can figure out how to survive as a Targaryen outside of King's Landing, there's hope for the kingdom.
27:49 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Because if he can't, if he just has to grow up in King's Landing and become your garden variety Targaryen asshole,
27:58 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_03]: then you're gonna have an asshole on the throne.
28:01 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_04]: And who knows if he's even gonna end up on the throne because there's like six people in between him and the throne.
28:07 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I think, yeah, he's the youngest son of a youngest son.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be unlikely, it would be unlikely.
28:15 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_03]: The only hope for the kingdom is for someone like Egg.
28:19 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Figure out how to be a moral person.
28:21 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And so far, he has very few examples, good examples among the Targaryens.
28:28 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_03]: So you want someone like Egg, who's been trotting around the kingdom with someone like Duncan the Tall, getting another small foe, getting into sort of ethical quadries and making the right decisions, and developing a sense of nobility and honor from the ground up.
28:46 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a very small story with a very small scope, but you can kind of see like,
28:52 --> 28:57 [SPEAKER_03]: This is sort of the ideal king that is being constructed here.
28:57 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
28:58 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_04]: You need someone experienced in the art of farting around.
29:00 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
29:03 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_04]: That's really what you need here.
29:05 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_04]: I love their relationship, I, you know, just sitting on the hill, talking, I think is a wonderful way to develop this and there were a couple of times where it almost felt too modern to me because I'm so not used to a laugh from a character, a genuine laugh, in this universe, and then I was like, no, I'm broken, not the show.
29:27 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: People did laugh even hundreds of years ago.
29:34 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, let's take a break, then we'll talk about a covert proposal.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_04]: We're back.
29:57 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_04]: The master of games comes in.
29:59 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_04]: He tells Dunk that Lord Asford has empty his coffers on the journey.
30:02 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_04]: He proposes the Dunk Challenge Sir Androw.
30:06 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_04]: The youngest son of Lord Asford.
30:09 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_04]: They will rig the match allowing those who bet on Dunk to make a large sum.
30:13 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Dunk wins this first match.
30:15 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone goes home.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Happy except Dunk's honor.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Would you take the deal?
30:24 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I heard you guys talking about this on your instant reactions that my media question was also like, why is he telling him this?
30:33 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess yeah, he wants him to make sure that Dunk chooses the right guy, but I feel like if they had somehow, if they just got in the guy to choose Dunk, Dunk would have tried his hardest and he could have followed it and it would have all looked legit.
30:50 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't understand why they're telling him.
30:52 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna excuse them here.
30:56 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it is so that it draws less attention to it, right?
31:00 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Because a hedge knight challenging above his station, that's just a hedge knight being a hedge knight.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_04]: But,
31:08 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it would be seen as like honorable for certain and route to then go amongst the peasants, pick one of them, and pick the biggest one, so.
31:19 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_04]: But would he ever actually do it, and then, you know, if he does challenge him, our people going to be a little bit more suspect, maybe be better, a little bit more evenly.
31:27 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it, I actually see why they would want the challenge to come from dumb.
31:35 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
31:35 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
31:38 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Initially, I thought, well, just having fall off his horse, right?
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, but they were signaling it, right?
31:45 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_04]: They kept saying, well, who shield are you going to tap on?
31:48 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, everybody who passed and I think that there's a virtue in, and we got this a little bit from Fossaway, like he's a local hero.
31:56 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And so whoever taps on this guy is going to be playing the villain.
32:01 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you're going to want a good looking villain.
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to want someone you've never heard of.
32:07 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_03]: who is bigger than, you know, he's a big old brute.
32:11 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you're going to get everyone betting on the look hero.
32:14 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_03]: They're thinking that dunk is the perfect guy to pull this off because he looks the part and no one knows him.
32:24 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And so of course, and of course, you know, he's an unknown.
32:28 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So of course, you're going to get the maximum amount of bets for Andrew.
32:35 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's also a little part of this where the master of games.
32:39 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we know this guy's name?
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I just keep it on the master of games.
32:43 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_03]: I think in addition to that, it's like this guy actually will do this because he's sleeping under a tree.
32:52 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_03]: So if there's anyone that needs a little bit of money, this would be a meaningful thing for him.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's thinking, and this is the perfect guy to sort of play into my scheme.
33:09 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think this didn't work for me initially, but I think it works in retrospect.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that he corrected him on the tree, too.
33:17 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I have low.
33:18 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Hell.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:21 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
33:21 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So many great.
33:21 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I love this Game Master actor, really.
33:23 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_04]: The way he spits, the way he hocks.
33:25 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the most lemme guy who's ever been on that.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so good.
33:31 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I love when dunk assumes that he's going to ask for money.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have anybody shocking as that is.
33:36 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to call a master of flem from now on.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_04]: so good.
33:44 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm kind of, you know, the idealist to me wants to say, dunk the only thing you have at the end of the day is your honor, right?
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_04]: But that's not really true, is it?
33:54 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_04]: The only thing he has at the end of the day is his horse and his shield, and his sword, and his armor now.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know.
34:01 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_04]: It's tricky to enforce ethics on this person who would probably
34:08 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, like, is it immoral for Dung to take it?
34:13 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, uh, he's supposed to go against his...
34:19 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: his ideals about, I think, you know, the whole thing, I know Anthony, you always doubt that he actually got dubbed by Sir Arlin before he died.
34:30 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm on board with that, I understand that, but I think that that's something that dunk in his head can twist in such a way that he probably actually believes it did happen in a certain way.
34:41 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He's creative.
34:42 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_03]: He said enough words that somewhere in there was probably a knife, he couldn't hear
34:50 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And he probably did dub him, he just, he was the little distracted at the time.
34:55 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that that's something that in his mind, he can square away this.
35:00 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how he can square it away with his sense of morality.
35:05 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just always going to feel wrong to him.
35:09 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this question.
35:10 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're the master of games, would it be better just a trick dunk?
35:17 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_03]: And say hey, you've got a lot of potential and I've been watching a good old andro and I think
35:26 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the right guy to tap if you want to win.
35:28 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And here are a few reasons why you might have an advantage over him.
35:32 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the best strategy for you going forward.
35:34 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Moreover, if you can show your prowess against the Lord's son, then everyone's going to think the better of you, because you were able to unseat the local hero.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to make a name for yourself.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
35:50 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, something like that where you don't actually have to tell dunk that this is a scheme.
35:55 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_03]: you just kind of have to plant the idea in his head to tap the right shield.
36:01 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that would be more effective, you know, the effect that don't grow, quote, unquote ruins it all later with area in any way, but all that aside, if it did go through, I do think that would be more effective, but it would have to come from someone else other than Mr. Hockelugie.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe it's
36:18 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_04]: and the more people you include in it, the more your conspiracy becomes hard to to quash, right.
36:24 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Hard to keep under wraps.
36:26 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm I don't know.
36:29 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't I think that probably
36:32 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really a lot in here, but Mr. Hock Lugie, since that's the new name of him, I think he wants to level with Donk.
36:40 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, I think he underestimates how dumb Donk is, that's one thing, I think he's honestly shocked every time he talks to Donk how dumb Donk is, I think he's underestimating how dumb he is, honestly.
36:57 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_04]: No, look, don't cause a heart of gold, but he is not the brightest bulb in the, you know, see, I can't even finish it because I was on this guy's robot.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I might take issue with this, but continue your thought.
37:08 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
37:09 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think he's trying to level with him.
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_04]: The same way he leveled with him of like luck.
37:13 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to, if you want to be in this, just get somebody to vouch for you.
37:16 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_04]: all that kind of thing.
37:17 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_04]: The way he shakes his head and tries to give him his advice when dunk goes to all the kings and it just happens to work out for him and a prince doesn't ahead him.
37:29 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But I also think dunk may have gone through with this based on learning about Aryan and learning that nights often are dishonorable.
37:37 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the night code is really not well followed in Westeros.
37:41 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he probably would have gone through with this but for the fact
37:46 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So let me ask you another question on this front because of course this is a Detail that they show only.
37:55 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's not a corresponding plot like this novella Do you think that Lord Ashford Is in on this or is yes is master of flim just sort of scheming on the side on his own
38:11 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: no no i i think it's i think the way he said it and also i suppose what i saw in the making of stuff too makes it clear that it's the family is trying to get back there money because they spend so much on this whole thing turn of it sure
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's probably right.
38:29 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_04]: First of all, like, how do you move the money that you need to move without the approval of the Lord?
38:33 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you need to do that because it sounds like they're going to put like most of there.
38:37 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like something a little finger.
38:39 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_03]: A little finger would come up with a scheme before breakfast and enacted and everyone would be happy.
38:46 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_03]: He wouldn't act.
38:48 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_03]: He wouldn't tell Robert Barathe and the thing about it.
38:51 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if Dunk is as simple as he's being made out to be.
38:58 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so.
38:58 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think some people need an extra beat to compose their words and stuff, but I don't think he's stupid.
39:05 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he has a question though about the feasibility of this family betting against themselves.
39:11 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I suppose those records are not public, but then there has to be at least whoever is managing the bet involved.
39:20 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Why it's soon they're going through like a layer of money laundering here, right?
39:24 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they are evolving more people than, yeah.
39:26 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but like again, every new person in a conspiracy is an additional risk.
39:32 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
39:32 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So I understand the whole, you know, you know, want to get too many people involved here.
39:38 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't know.
39:40 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they saved it all the debtors.
39:42 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, debtors, you guys bet on this.
39:44 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_04]: You'll be made whole and we'll just walk away from the debts.
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: that is inside trading.
39:52 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no New York Stock Exchange right now.
39:54 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So no, it's the King's Cross Stock Exchange.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:59 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
40:01 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, we'll see what Dunk does.
40:03 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_04]: For now, let's go to the bright flame.
40:05 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Dunk can egg watch another joust with Prince Arian bright flame, killing his opponent's horse.
40:11 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_04]: The crowd jeers, jeers, jeers.
40:14 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_04]: I have to be very clear in my pronunciation there.
40:16 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And the horse is mercy killed.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Egg wants to leave right away and says, it was no accident.
40:23 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was very glad that in the making out they went through the whole.
40:27 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I do, I'm one of those people whenever an animal's harmed on TV.
40:30 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, how did they do this?
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And they did go through that in detail in the making out.
40:34 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was, that was grateful to see the horse being gently laid down.
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_04]: They like, Lou, a half-spirited his.
40:42 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was digital, that part was all digital.
40:45 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's good.
40:46 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And like the other, when they stabbed the horse, it was like a faint and then, you know, the
40:53 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_04]: That's good.
40:54 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad that the animal was not harmed in the making of, but in the in the show, yeah, that animal did not do very well.
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, neither did.
41:03 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_04]: What was it's her Humphrey?
41:06 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he had to come freeze in this show, by the way.
41:10 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they, they just showed, right before that the jowse between the two Humphreys and he had won.
41:15 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
41:16 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was, so he was going to be a big competitor at this tourney until he gets unhorstened.
41:22 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_04]: He looked pretty broken.
41:25 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I was thinking, you know, I just watched I said this, I think it's a dick, but I just watched return to the king of that day.
41:29 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_04]: And they would ins on the ground go in an A when spoilers for a 30 year old movie.
41:34 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But my body is broken, and I was like, oh, man, sir, I'm free.
41:37 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_04]: You're in the same place today, I didn't right now.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't looking good.
41:41 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, this is,
41:43 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_03]: This is cruel.
41:44 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_03]: This is, uh, you know, un, un, uh, pretty.
41:49 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I suppose.
41:50 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and yet, if you have no compunction about it, it actually is pretty strategy.
41:56 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_03]: You pretty good strategy.
41:58 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_03]: You've taken out.
42:01 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_03]: You, one of the main competitors.
42:04 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And so you don't have to face this guy again.
42:07 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_03]: This is sort of equivalent to
42:12 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, it's dirty, it's dirty and yet if you can take out someone who's favored to win the tournament, then you're in a better position to win the tournament.
42:23 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
42:25 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I think it comes down to if you have no compunction and we like dunk as a character because he has those comp functions and we dislike Aryan because he doesn't have comp functions and the thing and it comes down to that this is not just about winning this joust, it's about the fact that the Targaryens came here to make nice with a small
42:54 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_03]: the common folk rushing the crown.
42:58 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're rushing these princes with the intent to do you hear the people saying, see, something like that.
43:08 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I will get the manifesto.
43:09 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious.
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious what you think about.
43:12 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Like does this feel like an up, you know, a common folk uprising based on some dirty pool on the, on the jousting
43:24 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Field.
43:25 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean this is there's they they are ready it was already a tinder k of how do you say a powder keg waiting to explode and Aryan was very stupid you know maybe that was will help him short-term win a joust but he's doing he's in flaming the tensions that he was supposed to
43:55 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I can see throwing a hardened course turd at his helmet, to me that sounds, yeah, that's what you would do, I guess in a situation like that, as long as no one can track it back to you, but right, that guy got his teeth punched out like that.
44:15 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_03]: These people are, these people are willing to take their lives into their own hands because they feel like someone played dirty.
44:24 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure how to take that.
44:27 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I, this is just like the match that lights up the pile of straw that was already dry and ready to burn.
44:35 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
44:36 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:36 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I, I just seems like the small folk are much bolder in this timeline than they were in the house of the dragon or they gave us the room's timeline, right?
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is just, I mean, there is unrest here.
44:45 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Clear.
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_03]: In no dragon.
44:46 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_03]: In the original series,
44:53 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_03]: after one shit in the face, I don't think that I'm just after, after the city has been starved.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_03]: They've been starved for weeks.
45:02 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
45:02 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And then they see the, you know, the king go by and these people are desperate.
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how an uprising happens.
45:10 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
45:11 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not because you felt like
45:13 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_03]: that player over there played dirty and you've you've tarnished the the honor of this other night.
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't get it.
45:23 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if this is I told you not
45:25 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't take it as like an uprising just that people were were angry.
45:31 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It was an angry mob situation, but can I ask you guys a question?
45:34 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Very important questions since you brought up Jaffrey.
45:37 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If Jaffrey and Aryan lived at the same time, would they be best friends?
45:44 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Worst enemies?
45:46 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Or something else?
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_03]: It'd be friend of me.
45:50 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_03]: They would pretend to like each other.
45:53 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_03]: um... there's no doubt in my mind that uh... one would sort of lorded over the other and and they would secretly hate each other i mean i would watch a season of a reality show where they have to like go to the jersey short together
46:11 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_04]: make them camp in the woods they compare like the texture of the shits that were thrown at their face among us right who among us hasn't had shit thrown at our face all right i i i think that this is i think who which one of you said powder gag i think and i think that the one saving grace for this is that baler break spear
46:42 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_03]: is not the kind of guy who's going to overreact.
46:46 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
46:46 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_03]: So if these guys are going to let out a hand that they get a little rowdy, you, you comp things down.
46:52 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_03]: You, you know, you take a take a bird's eye view on this situation.
46:57 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Hand inspection for anyone to figure out who through the shit.
47:01 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just think they're also not, he doesn't want to, he's aware of the powder keg.
47:06 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_03]: He does not want anyone lighting matches around it.
47:09 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
47:10 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So, but if it was someone else, enough old much was was in charge, you never know what's going to happen.
47:19 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Baylor would, I mean, I guess you can't punish someone for doing that in a jouse.
47:25 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, I believe it's a punishment because later I believe Raymond says, uh, Aryan is pissed.
47:34 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to get worse away, right?
47:36 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
47:38 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:39 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
47:40 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
47:41 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I wonder if someone, if it weren't his nephew, a princeling, if they would have been, if it would have been harsher on them.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we're probably about the same.
47:51 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_04]: As long as it was a noble, I think probably about the same.
47:54 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
47:56 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe if Dunkin did that, I think I think Dunkin's going to the jail.
48:00 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
48:01 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_04]: To the dungeon.
48:03 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Shall we talk about Alice and her fingers?
48:06 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Who the fuck is Alice?
48:08 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Dunkin egg mues over a song about Alice.
48:12 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Omen skilled at pleasureing men in their bums as exas.
48:16 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_04]: a grass for meaning, but dunk says it's for wise remin than him.
48:19 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you need to remind you of the lyrics, O'Hallus was a special last.
48:25 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Born bereft of thumb, lost a digit tending flock now feeling awfully glum.
48:30 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_04]: O'Hallus, with three fingers, a copper in her glass, had two fingers less than most she'll shove them up your arms.
48:36 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I think once gave her a silver feeling down in lone.
48:41 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_04]: I tried to buy a pinky, but I got the whole arm bone.
48:45 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_04]: never heard that.
48:47 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh Alice with three fingers never had a lot.
48:51 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_04]: She gave me all she had to give two more than what was sought.
48:55 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, two more than what was sought.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Two more than what I bought.
48:59 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what I bought.
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
49:03 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, if you getting like up the hood to the arm bone, you're getting a lot more than just two extra fingers.
49:09 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
49:09 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just, be clear, they did purchase a one-finger service.
49:14 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
49:15 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This one is one too.
49:15 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a deal.
49:18 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm always in for a deal.
49:21 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
49:21 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Is anyone in Westeros having more fun than a laughing storm?
49:26 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
49:33 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_03]: He's bear-chested, he's on the top of the table, he's acting out the song.
49:39 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He's just living his best life.
49:43 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anyone in Westeros who has ever lived a happier life than this guy?
49:49 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, I maybe his descendant Bobby B. I mean, he's married to Cersei, he's in a marriage that he loveless marriage, I don't
50:03 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I get the sense with Bobby B, he's trying to drowns sorrows that are deep within him.
50:07 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but when it's younger, him and Ned go ahead.
50:12 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We need some stories of like young Bobby B and Ned, like pal and around, you know, in King's Landing, I'm sure they had a great time.
50:21 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that was one of the like million spin-offs they tried developing.
50:32 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
50:47 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Tyrion, he has fun, but he sort of, again, drowning his, his pain.
50:54 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_03]: So far, I mean, I look, it's, it's, there's no question, laughing storm is having the time of his life.
51:05 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_04]: And the third room that that's the, the straight man room we're going to have, Brienne of Tarth with Dunk.
51:12 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're just going to talk all day about honor.
51:14 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we say maybe we can't say this, but your jar of Martin has confirmed something relating to those two.
51:22 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Save it for the spoilers.
51:24 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
51:25 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
51:25 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
51:27 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, I think we talked a lot about it this in the intro, so I don't want to belabor it, but you know, this really is just bite the scene to zero in on the bond between Dung and Ag and sort of how they both approach something like a song, right?
51:42 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that there is all the music and poetry and stuff.
51:48 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, include one part.
51:55 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_04]: fortune teller gives prophecies to both which rattles egg for the prophecy for dunk is you shall know great success and be richer than a lanister.
52:05 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I see this is an absolute win, right?
52:07 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_04]: Like this is this is just great for him.
52:11 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Then to egg you shall be king and die in a hot fire and we're in shall feed upon your ashes and all who know you shall rejoice in your dying.
52:20 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What the hell?
52:21 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: What the hell?
52:23 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's also, it's like very pointed toward egg because of course, dunks going to die eventually too.
52:29 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's going to die, but if she had to, like, it couldn't just be, you shall be king, the end.
52:35 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_04]: You'll die and people will be overjoyed about it.
52:38 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:42 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like the ghost of Christmas future from the Christmas Carol.
52:48 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And you are a resident expert on a Christmas Carol.
52:50 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll take it word for you.
52:55 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how much more to say about this, because we are dancing so far on the line of spoilers.
52:59 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to withhold my further comments on this.
53:02 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's ridiculous that we have to dance around this.
53:07 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I know this show does not care to keep this secret.
53:10 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what else to say about it.
53:13 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, all prophecies are ambiguous.
53:17 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we only know so much about what she's referring to here ourselves.
53:23 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's definitely talk about it after the credits.
53:25 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, everybody's sick around after the credits.
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about this info.
53:28 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_04]: No spoilers, Bard.
53:32 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_04]: But first, let's have a cup of cider.
53:33 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Would Sir Raymond Notzer, sorry, squire, Raymond Fossaway, who invites Dunk for a cup of housemade cider?
53:43 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_04]: don't consider it's challenging to her androle when dunk mentions eggs commentary on areas on our ramen goes on a political tirade that would be Thanksgiving dinner with your uncle seemed easy i i was cracking up during raman's political commentary because that's dual aliens he could he's so proud he just felt like
54:09 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it felt like somebody who's like in college and just got into politics and he's selectable about it for an hour.
54:16 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
54:17 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad someone said it.
54:19 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_03]: This is absolutely my take on House of the Dragon.
54:21 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no good guys.
54:23 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no bad guys.
54:24 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_03]: They're all the same.
54:26 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Greens, blacks, it doesn't matter.
54:28 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_03]: These Targaryens are incestuous.
54:31 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_03]: They're colonists.
54:32 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_03]: They burn people alive.
54:34 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_03]: What else do you need to know about them?
54:36 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Raymond Fossaway is the only one speaking the truth.
54:41 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love some of the Fossaway cider.
54:44 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I bet the Applehouse makes the best cider in the Kingdoms.
54:50 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
54:55 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_00]: anyone top 10 people in West rose you'd want to get a beer with absolutely just the like even you could tell dunk was hesitating because it was like he's like oh you don't want to go to that kid's puppet show and dunk makes eyes at a tangy and he's like no of course not sure I'll come have a drink with you but then yeah what do you think that Raymond was going
55:25 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good question.
55:29 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.
55:30 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he was just going to say his youngest.
55:33 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_04]: He's just a kid or yeah, he's just a kid.
55:35 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, of course, you know, if the only thing that he could say is something that would be sort of rumored throughout the kingdom, right?
55:43 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
55:44 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I never rumours about him.
55:46 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what I don't know what sort of the word on the street is about this kid.
55:53 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like all of his older brothers take up all the air when it comes to that.
55:56 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe so.
55:59 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why he's left to go find random hedge knights to follow around.
56:06 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:07 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, in the end, you get two drinks into Raymond Fassaway and he goes, come and see the violence inherent in the system.
56:16 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Should someone take dunk aside and say, this guy wants to be your best friend.
56:20 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Can we just say like this do we need a kudi catcher to tell this guy like do you want to be best friends yes or no Raymond Fossway is Consistently is trying to get dunk to like Have a little bit of fun.
56:35 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Great a little bit with me.
56:37 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a burp.
56:39 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you respond with the burp dunk dunk is just not catching on that like
56:44 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_03]: This guy's a pal.
56:45 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_03]: This guy could be your best pal.
56:48 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Dunk is in his head.
56:49 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's thinking about whether or not he should fight andro, what he should do on the tomorrow.
56:59 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, in the meantime, you can have a pal.
57:05 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You can have a new best friend, Dunk.
57:08 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think, I mean, now Dunk is for the first time acting as his own man rather than the squire of someone else.
57:15 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So do you think he ever made any bonds with the other squires?
57:19 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't seem to know them.
57:20 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the issue with Dunk is that he doesn't have a good sense of what actually happens at a tournament because all he knows about them is what Sir Arlin has told him.
57:31 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Sir Arlin is not attending these things on the regular and he kind of mixes in fact in fiction so dunk doesn't know a whole lot about tournaments even though he's been traveling around with Sir Arlin.
57:47 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So Agnog Agnog just knows a ton more about and I think that that's part of it's part of why he presents his a little dull and I think it's just
58:02 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I mean, I guess this is not really a spoiler to mention that I think in the future he grapples with that more with questioning like, am I stupid or am I just uneducated?
58:14 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there is a difference.
58:16 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_04]: It's also like, you know, I always talk about like with parenting, you know, you have to teach your kid to ask for stuff, right?
58:24 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to teach your kid have to deal, how to deal with the world, you can't just do it for them all the time.
58:28 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I like to call it a teacher kid how to ask for the catch-up.
58:32 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're out of restaurant Make sure they know how to ask the server for a catch-up, right?
58:37 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Instead of making you do it and I feel like dunk was kind of never allowed to do that by Sir Aron He was he was just kept under his wing until the day he died Like it's that's what it feels like at least for the demeanor.
58:53 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree
58:55 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, well, just as everything is cooling down on the political tirade, Eggwatch's Tanzi, slay the public dragon, just as Aryan mocks in.
59:06 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_04]: He rushes into the phosphate quarters to get dunked to help Tanzi.
59:10 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Dunk rushes in and sees Aryan break Tanzi's finger leading him to attack the prince, who has his guards prepared dunk for torture.
59:18 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_04]: Dunk stops them and reveals himself as Prince Aegon Targaryen.
59:26 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, ever since American history ex, there's just nothing that makes my entire body squirm more than setting up for a curb stump like that.
59:36 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, that's a rough one.
59:40 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_04]: Teeth.
59:40 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:44 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_04]: I have no more breakfast sandwiches if that went through.
59:47 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: not with that bread.
59:49 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to soak it.
59:50 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be sloppy steak.
59:52 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be sloppy.
59:54 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like for sure.
59:55 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's let's talk about ex-choice to In involved dunk in this mm-hmm like dunk.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure he would regret it.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_03]: dunk doesn't really know better
01:00:10 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he should know better, but he doesn't, he sees red, he sees, you know, an injustice happening.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And he just, he just kind of is is in his, you know, rage fueled justice mode.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And he attacks the Prince.
01:00:32 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: What did Egg think was going to happen?
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Did Egg think this through?
01:00:36 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Does Egg think that what the consequences will be for Duncan, if he does see, Tansy being abused.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think he didn't want to reveal himself, but obviously this force is him to do so, but under much work circumstances.
01:00:56 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But he has a question if Duncan physically intervened, and if egg had stopped stepped forward and said, brother, unhand her, would Aryan have listened to him?
01:01:10 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_03]: But what does it work to unhand, say, to, to,
01:01:17 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_04]: demand that dunk be spared maybe because there's already been now like a physical fight between brothers and knights and things like that like it's just complicated enough where they have taken up to the higher authority that the next line up on the chargarians you know I can't help but want to root for dunk here though right like he is saving a woman from having her fingers broken further.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, he is stepping in, he's doing what he believes.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He works, yeah.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_04]: He's doing what he believes a night should do is acting honorably, like Aryan is a villain in this moment.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
01:01:54 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, obviously, I know, but obviously it's bad for him personally, but I can't fault him for what he did either.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, this is kind of goes with my anti-targetarian rant from earlier in the channel
01:02:13 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Egg is a kid, and yet what he's done, what he's held back, what he's openly deceived.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you know your father?
01:02:22 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_03]: No, not really.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_03]: All these lies that Egg has told over and over again, and then involving dunk in this dispute, he's playing fast and loose with dunk's life, and it makes
01:02:43 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_03]: above criticism.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone is above criticism, but I do not think, I think that Egg regretted calling Duncan.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a moment of panic, he absolutely did not think at all.
01:02:56 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And it shows that, you know, he was running to Duncan, has been more of a father figure in just these past few days than his own father has been presumably, I presume we'll get more stories from his childhood now that we know who he is, but we saw Maker and
01:03:16 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: did not look like someone you want to be your dad and don't definitely you know that this is someone that makes egg feel safe and so he runs to him as a child in a moment of being scared and says help help the scary situation do something and then only realizes once dunk is about to have his teeth stomped out that um that actually he put him in more danger
01:03:46 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_03]: During the tournament, when Aryan bright-flame is charging forward, dunk calls out kill him.
01:03:57 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Egg calls out, yeah.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, all right, egg calls out kill him, kill him.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, that to me, that is like he killed my brother.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Kill my brother.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Egg is absolutely channel, he's gone full-targeting on the
01:04:16 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I guess we can't talk about things we know about his growing up with Aryan.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But you've seen this guy, you can imagine having to sleep under the same roof as him.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I, and he's in the jouse.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The situation was in the jouse if someone had killed him and it had been above the board, that would have been like the easiest way to get rid of this person who is just a blight on the planet.
01:04:46 --> 01:04:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that we find, we need to find an area in between.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a cute kid.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't we all love him?
01:04:52 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's absolutely 100% Targaryen don't trust him.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_03]: There's got to be a middle ground between those two things, right?
01:05:01 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_03]: He has to be a morally great character.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_04]: And then maybe the showrunners will want to do a Star Wars trilogy and he'll just go mad one day.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_04]: But for now, for now I think you're right.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_04]: The thing I keep coming back to in my mind is the idea of moral injury of, you know, this is something developed by Jonathan Shea, the psychiatrist, and he talks about how people especially, this was a thing with soldiers, especially being not more soldiers, I believe he focused on.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_04]: It is when, you know, there is a breach in trust from an authority figure who should know better, essentially, right?
01:05:38 --> 01:06:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And egg has lived his whole life with every authority figure, every adult who was supposed to be there for him, there for the small folk, there for society, working only to protect the Aryan's worst tendencies, right, to protect him from consequences to insulate him.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_04]: that does not exist in that protective glass right in that protective shell.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, finally, I have someone I can trust who can go do something about this monster in my life.
01:06:16 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And I do, I do give him a lot of race for being a sufferer of moral injury from his whole family and from his whole system.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's clearly sick of he's literally shaving his head and running away from them.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, he's a child, it's a trauma response.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:43 [SPEAKER_04]: He is finally finding someone, he can put a little bit of trust into, and he's going, okay, let's do something about it.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's finally do something about this horrible person who is just making the lives of everybody around them worse, and is actively doing so at this very moment.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with someone he knows Donk has developed a fondness.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you could imagine Sansa, if Jaffrey's in the tournament, kind of secretly hoping.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Kill him, we have for sure.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_03]: No, someone kills him, right?
01:07:08 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So we don't, you're right.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know exactly what his moral injury is.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_03]: It does, it does occur to me that
01:07:18 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Up until this point, his entire relationship with Dunk has been a big deception, and he puts Dunk in harm's way.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, yeah, no, I think that's fair.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_04]: He's he's made mistakes.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think any of it was done with malice.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's made some mistakes and some selfish ones, but he's also a kid and kids do that.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_04]: That's where I'm at, I think.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I mean, I think that he regretted it by then that's when he finally outed himself.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was avoiding at all costs, outing himself and he realized I've no other choice.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he did kind of take accountability at the end.
01:07:56 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_04]: And of course, we get the shot that everybody's reaction at the end.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_04]: That was really good.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Pan to everybody you can.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that David is not here.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to notice and appreciate the camera work at the very end because what the show has done for us is it's brought these two main characters closer and closer and closer.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Now they're best buds.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_03]: And at the very end, there's zooming away from dunk, there's zooming away from egg.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost as if the camera's creating distance between these two characters.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_03]: As dunk realizes, oh my gosh, you're the Targaryen Prince, everyone's.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good point to close it on.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk quick.
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01:09:36 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you have you had your first episode kind of explaining it out, right?
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01:10:17 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Alicia, anything going on on your feeds?
01:10:20 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, let's let's talk about the Oscar stuff.
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01:11:03 --> 01:11:05 [SPEAKER_04]: You do a great job with the Oscars over here.
01:11:06 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_04]: This year is no exception.
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01:11:25 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I was thinking.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's two hours and 40 minutes long.
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01:13:58 --> 01:14:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Anthony, what's going on with egg?
01:14:01 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Is he king or not?
01:14:07 --> 01:14:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to, I do not want to fall into the trap that I've always worn people with a foot, not to fall into, and that is don't think that the lore surrounding West Rose is fact, right?
01:14:20 --> 01:14:31 [SPEAKER_03]: So just because a world of fire says that egg ends up becoming king and sitting there and thrown and then dying in a fire,
01:14:31 --> 01:14:36 [SPEAKER_03]: don't think that that's necessarily fact, but it is common knowledge.
01:14:36 --> 01:14:45 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the kind of thing of maester would put down on paper as if it is common knowledge and he wants to preserve a history.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:50 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's it's possible, like I remember Laneor in House of the Dragon.
01:14:50 --> 01:14:54 [SPEAKER_03]: in the lore, he ends up getting killed.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_03]: But in the show, it's all a big ruse.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:01 [SPEAKER_03]: He lives happily ever after an SOS.
01:15:01 --> 01:15:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a, there's a body that they find.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And so he fakes his death.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:09 [SPEAKER_03]: They could do something like that with egg, right?
01:15:09 --> 01:15:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it cheap if they keep doing that though?
01:15:11 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, I don't,
01:15:15 --> 01:15:41 [SPEAKER_03]: know how to read this woods witch's prophecy if it isn't just just a bald faced true like but it's also like why didn't she say the dunk dies in the same fire okay fucking hates the Targaryens yeah i don't like how it's done i don't i don't like how they brought her in i don't like how it's done
01:15:41 --> 01:15:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't, I don't understand why they would, why they would include this person at this particular moment in the show, I don't, I don't understand the, the purpose it serves for the show.
01:15:55 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And in other words, really able, you know, feet of storytelling, they've, they've been able
01:16:09 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_03]: It just doesn't make sense.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Why you do this?
01:16:11 --> 01:16:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you're undercutting your story.
01:16:14 --> 01:16:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're, yeah.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know, I can't make sense of it.
01:16:23 --> 01:16:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's still wiggle room for things also.
01:16:26 --> 01:16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It always in prophecy, but in this one, all who know you shall rejoice in your dying.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I think this refers to the fact that egg because of this,
01:16:36 --> 01:16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: experience with Dunk, you know, and being more connected to the small folk he tries to institute some reforms and his own children who he, you know, why doesn't egg just make his own children go out and be with the small folk for a while since he got so much for my buddy doesn't and they are not on board with his reforms, especially the reforms where he's trying to like get them to marry specific people and they're like, well, marry for love.
01:16:59 --> 01:17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And that causes
01:17:05 --> 01:17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: the people who know him, the other nobility, they start to resent all this.
01:17:11 --> 01:17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if they'll say, all who know you rejoice in your dying as in the other nobility, but maybe the small folk rejoice in that he lives and think of him as, you know,
01:17:25 --> 01:17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: having been a good kid.
01:17:26 --> 01:17:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Rejoice in your dime, that sounds pretty negative.
01:17:29 --> 01:17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: No, well, I say all the all who know you part is what I'm saying.
01:17:34 --> 01:17:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They're the all who know you are the nobility.
01:17:36 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The small folk don't know him and they rejoice in his having lived.
01:17:39 --> 01:17:53 [SPEAKER_04]: Or, or are the people who know him is the person who knows him just done and because they fake their deaths, he rejoices in his dying because now they're free to live normal lives and not royal lives.
01:17:53 --> 01:17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, could be.
01:17:55 --> 01:17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know.
01:17:57 --> 01:18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I also don't think Damon's going to die as he's supposed to die in hell, so the dragon, but anyway.
01:18:01 --> 01:18:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, oh, he better.
01:18:07 --> 01:18:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't get.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: The only thing that I can come up with is for book readers.
01:18:16 --> 01:18:23 [SPEAKER_03]: you wanted this episode to be as sort of shocking as it was for non-greeter.
01:18:23 --> 01:18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So for non-book readers, you get the reveal that, oh my gosh, he's a Targaryen, but in order to keep the rest of us sort of on our back heels, they decided to
01:18:37 --> 01:18:47 [SPEAKER_03]: reveal something that was not revealed in this in the story and sort of send our minds really in which if that's what they wanted to do they did it.
01:18:48 --> 01:18:51 [SPEAKER_03]: If they just wanted to shock us they should just let us see the bombing.
01:18:52 --> 01:18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: with that with that shock as at this point, especially if the last couple episodes.
01:18:57 --> 01:18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I did love as far as a shock moment.
01:18:59 --> 01:19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really a shock moment, but who is it in one of the behind the scenes thing, one of the women who works on the show was saying that she's like, and that not horse just looked dead-eyed into the camera and shot and it was gift.
01:19:16 --> 01:19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But about this.
01:19:17 --> 01:19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm trying to remember it was from an official source where they were talking, the showrunner was talking about the hope for this show is yes to release a series every year, a season every year.
01:19:33 --> 01:19:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And to do five seasons of this part of Duncan Egg's life and then do a time jump and do five seasons of, you know, when egg is like a young adult and then five seasons further into Egg's life, I suppose, going up into summer hall, I would assume.
01:19:54 --> 01:20:11 [SPEAKER_04]: the shorter say like the show will grow up at that minute I'm like this seems very impractical for so many reasons but we'll say you know we we found if that happened I don't want them to recast egg but I guess they would have to if they did that I'll be in the nursing home being like yeah get them dunk
01:20:14 --> 01:20:28 [SPEAKER_03]: The only other spoilery thing that I wanted to talk about was when Raymond Fasoé is really off the many immoral Targaryen brothers.
01:20:29 --> 01:20:36 [SPEAKER_03]: He says that one of them is so worthless that I couldn't ship him off to the settled town.
01:20:36 --> 01:20:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and of course, this is someone we meet in, I think we can talk about that in the main part because they they're talking about it and and in game of thrones he talks about They gone.
01:20:50 --> 01:20:52 [SPEAKER_04]: He talks about this whole thing to John.
01:20:52 --> 01:20:57 [SPEAKER_03]: So this brother, of course, we should call it out for people who are depending on us for this information.
01:20:58 --> 01:21:04 [SPEAKER_03]: This brother who they're going to ship off to old town to be maester ends up becoming maester amen.
01:21:04 --> 01:21:13 [SPEAKER_03]: who John Snow meets at the wall and reveals himself as the first secret Targaryen of the show.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:21:16 --> 01:21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess we do learn there that he, what did we learn in the show or is it just the books?
01:21:22 --> 01:21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, but that he was offered the kingship because he is ex older brother.
01:21:26 --> 01:21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
01:21:27 --> 01:21:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I believe he said, I think he says it's a John, yeah.
01:21:29 --> 01:21:35 [SPEAKER_04]: because he, they're talking about basically like, you know, being off for the power and he's like, oh, yeah, I was off for the power.
01:21:36 --> 01:21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:21:37 --> 01:21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But he gave it, he, basically, he went to the wall so that Egg would be the one who was put on the throne.
01:21:45 --> 01:21:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if we're full spoilers here, he also says, I wanted to revenge my family.
01:21:52 --> 01:22:01 [SPEAKER_03]: And I decided not to do it because I'm a man of the night's watch and my family is up here at the wall and that was the right decision for me.
01:22:01 --> 01:22:20 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, he basically tells John Snow that you're going to have to decide whether you want to be a star or you want to be a man of the night's watch.
01:22:20 --> 01:22:25 [SPEAKER_03]: but the later seasons of Dunkin' Egg, if you decide to go watch it.
01:22:26 --> 01:22:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, same issue in House of the Dragon, right?
01:22:27 --> 01:22:29 [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about Renée Ren, all that with Jaffrey.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the speaking of the ties to Game of Thrones, the thing that I said that I would mention in the spoiler section is that George R. Martin confirmed that Brienne is a descendant of Dunk.
01:22:46 --> 01:22:47 [SPEAKER_04]: But.
01:22:47 --> 01:22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But we don't know exactly how.
01:22:51 --> 01:23:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty it's pretty clear in there's there's a few major hints in the books that dunks shield is hanging up on the on the on in Tarth, you know, one of the great holes and um, Brienne has has a particular affinity for this particular shield
01:23:15 --> 01:23:32 [SPEAKER_03]: which of course is always kind of been a literary connection, but then you also have the details that he, you know, she's especially large and that would suggest that maybe dunk his sewing little seeds around West Rose and the seed is strong, we know.
01:23:32 --> 01:23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe just one, it only takes one.
01:23:35 --> 01:23:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, it's possible.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, you're right, in an interview, he did firm that they are related.
01:23:44 --> 01:23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I thought it was when you said let's put them in a room together.
01:23:47 --> 01:23:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, well, she's like grandpa.
01:23:50 --> 01:23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:23:52 --> 01:23:55 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so we did our books below the section.
01:23:55 --> 01:23:56 [SPEAKER_04]: We had a great time.
01:23:56 --> 01:24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Not as great a time as Lionel, but who has we can only ever hope that is my goal in life now to have his great time as Lionel.
01:24:05 --> 01:24:05 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, that guy is he's putting us all to shame.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:15 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll go off and laugh with your storms and we will see you next week for another episode.