John, Elysia, and Anthony from Properly Howard Movie Review recap the fourth episode of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. They discuss the excuses of Targaryens, the layering of prophecies, and their dream draft team of 7.
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00:20 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to a joint lower-hand and properly Howard podcast covering a night of the 7 Kingdoms on HBO Max.
00:25 --> 00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: She never misses a chance to bloody up the King's guard.
00:29 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Alicia.
00:30 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, I have my buckets of puppet blood at the ready.
00:34 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And he'll be cracking nuts through this whole podcast.
00:38 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_06]: You have to just break in digits and smash and walnuts.
00:43 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Today we're recapping season one episode four seven will give our hot takes on the episode then go into a scene by scene breakdown.
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01:58 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I was, I suggested that there might be a new actor on the scene, a woman among the lords and ladies, and I suggested that this might be a character from season two that they're inserting into season one, as if I'd never seen her before.
02:16 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_06]: That actually is red.
02:18 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_06]: The sex worker, Robin Robinson is the actor's name, and it just turns out that I did
02:29 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_03]: or as Jessica called her in the discord mother.
02:34 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_06]: So it kind of threw me that she was among the lords and ladies because she's dressed like a lady.
02:42 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And you know, the camera hung on her face as if she was meaningful to the scene.
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, I don't, I've never seen her before.
02:47 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_06]: She seems important.
02:49 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_06]: It must be someone I have not met before.
02:52 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_06]: It turns out that she was a prominent actor in the very first episode.
02:59 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: right, mocking Duncan or at least he thinks she's mocking him.
03:03 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think he was a little bit of loving she was a little mock.
03:07 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He was, you know, it's, it's one of those like verbal sparring mocking.
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
03:14 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was supposed to give it back to her not just like come in super offended.
03:19 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
03:20 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
03:23 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Any other hot takes on this episode?
03:26 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I think this is the strongest of the season for sure.
03:28 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_06]: This was sort of the episode where it got everyone who watches it in my, at least in my world, everyone was sort of a lot of saying that was the best.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that they're right.
03:40 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that this was the best yet.
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And I've been waiting for this, and I think that they really can live.
03:48 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
03:49 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They really captured that forming the D&D party vibe of the latter half of this episode
03:56 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: and I was really happy with how it turned out.
04:00 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Alicia, how are you feeling?
04:01 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I agree with the general sentiment that this is, this is the one, this is the episode.
04:07 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I am the most envious of non-readers who got to experience all the twists and turns.
04:14 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think we were all probably immediately angry with Stefan Fossoway as soon as he's like, oh, but you, the righteous way, and I shall support you and like, you liar liar, Apple on fire.
04:28 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this one got a lot of strong emotional responses out of me even though I knew what was going to happen.
04:35 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a feeling also that it was one of the most book-faithful episodes, like they're really following those beats.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I did, I would have loved it.
04:44 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we thought we met this quote unquote mad, re-sling guy, and we were questioning where they're going to flesh out as character more since they gave that extra introduction.
04:53 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess that's the fleshing out of the character we got.
04:57 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess I'm okay with that.
04:59 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_03]: There's only so much time to get into all the various side characters and I'm so grateful for what we got from Lionel Baratheon.
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: just the gambling of this fellowship.
05:08 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to be clear that's fair.
05:12 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't expect necessarily this to be, I thought this might be like the, I thought that the battle of the seven would be the finale, but now they've set it up so that that's next week so that kind of implies that there's going to be an entire episode for the finale to deal with the aftermath
05:31 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, do you think they'll, I mean, they're not going to do a time jump to set up the next season, right?
05:36 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I think this is maybe a spoiler conversation.
05:39 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_03]: You think?
05:41 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like in order to understand and fully appreciate the conversation that was about to unfolds.
05:48 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, we can't say what the fallout is, yeah, but you have to have some kind of book knowledge and maybe we're not there.
05:57 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, but I did expect the big battle to be the last one and it seems like it's going to be next week.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I did too.
06:03 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, time will tell.
06:07 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's what happens when you have 30 minute episodes.
06:09 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to put it in the penultimate episode and and I will say it does follow the classic game of theorems pattern of putting the big battle in episode nine.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and do you know that.
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, true true.
06:21 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's just they're trying to match that cadence that people expect.
06:27 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was great, echoing what you two are saying and the general sentiments of everybody, best episode yet, partially because it is book faithful, but I also just think that like, Anthony, I think you were the one who said, like, one of you said, that we saw how to not trust Steph and Fossil Way right away, right?
06:46 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say in the book, I was less inclined to distrust him.
06:52 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's because it was clearly
06:57 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... whereas here we have a much more removed and objective viewpoint compared to the book i mean but his cousin did warn us his cousin did warn us but also we had uh... you know earlier in the street season i remember somebody in this podcast said you know we're seeing a darker side of sir arlin largely because this is more objective right then uh... then dunks telling in the book
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: really light signals.
07:27 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a different experience from the book, even if it is very faithful to the book's plot points.
07:32 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm really excited to see how the actual battle plays out on the screen, because it's very quick in the book, right?
07:39 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the battle itself is not, it doesn't take up a lot of pages.
07:44 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, as far as Stefan, his cousin Raymond, even though he thinks his cousin's the worst, even he for a moment was like, oh, wow, really?
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_03]: He was supporting him.
07:56 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_03]: That's, you're surprising me.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:00 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, poor, poor dunk, can't win one.
08:06 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, why don't we get right into the episode?
08:08 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We start off with a question.
08:10 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: How good a night are you?
08:12 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Egg brings dunk a meal and an apology for deceiving him.
08:16 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He explains that he was supposed to squire for his brother Darren, but his brother shaved his head and meant to miss the attorney.
08:23 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Dunk chastises him for lying and then the two go to visit Prince Baylor where Dunk defends Egg.
08:29 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: After Egg on Leaves, Baylor suggests that if Dunk is a good night, he may want to demand a trial by combat as a real trial would be stacked against him.
08:40 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_06]: I love the amount of, um, the out of the theme of luck in this first scene, because recalling that first episode, it ends with them looking up at the night sky and seeing the falling star, which is luck.
08:56 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, realizing, well, we're the only one looking at the sky, so maybe the luck is hours alone.
09:02 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_06]: The way that this episode begins,
09:06 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_06]: you see the stonework above dunk, but it almost does look like constellations initially.
09:13 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_06]: And then immediately you see like, oh, he's not out under the tree anymore.
09:18 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_06]: He's he's in in prison.
09:20 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And then there's the question of of luck is is it bad luck?
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_06]: the dunk and egg have come together.
09:29 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like egg is actually really wounded by the suggestion that maybe meeting together was just bad luck.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Because of course, you know, egg doesn't want that to be true.
09:41 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_06]: He thinks that there actually have become friends.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, the viewers, we don't want that to be true.
09:47 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_06]: We want these two to sort of figure out and get beyond this little bump in the road in their relationship.
09:55 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_06]: So I like that that they kind of brought in the the initial theme of luck to this because it does look as if Dunk is experiencing a bit of bad, right?
10:06 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the eggs also brought good luck in certain ways like suppose he hadn't known egg and he had been at that puppet show and gotten involved.
10:17 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Egg wouldn't have been there to stop them from, you know, curb stomping him or, I mean, or he would have, or Tansy would have just been whatever they were going to do to Tansy
10:37 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_06]: horses and well and egg was a pretty good wingman, you know he can't really he doesn't know how to talk to Tanzi and egg is sort of like giving him a few ideas like here's what should be on the shield and you know maybe you're you're the just you're just the perfect height to pup it you know yeah I don't know if Dorn Tindall Dorn Tinder goes that far but we'll see we'll see yeah
11:02 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I, I'd like to see them that you're pulling on and this, uh, this bad luck good luck being, would you swipe left or right on egg?
11:12 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's an appropriate question.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_03]: As a squire, as a squire.
11:18 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: As a squire, um, it's squired, though.
11:21 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we haven't actually seen him in action as a squire because Duncan got into fight yet.
11:27 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_06]: I think Egg might make a good catty, right?
11:30 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, he may have good advice for, you know, how to play the green.
11:34 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure if I want him handy, I've lanced in the middle of the heat of battle, but who knows, maybe he'll rise to the occasion.
11:45 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He may, he may, but he'll have to stand on dunk shoulders because he's very short right now.
11:51 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: the uh... i really like this uh... this contrast between how dunk uh... manages agon in front of and alone in front of bailer and alone you know they say good managers chastise and put me private and support in public right and in private
12:12 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Dunk is like, you know, you may not have had, you know, you may not have had bad intention, but you still screwed me over.
12:18 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you just, this was just terrible to the matter what you meant.
12:22 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in front of, in front of Baylor, he's like, he's a good lad.
12:25 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I, that's great.
12:27 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that, that shows good leadership even if Dunk is new to this.
12:32 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know, I have to commend again with his name Dexter's soul, ex-acting that apparently there's some directing involved too where the director told him, pull it back, pull it back until it was just him there with his eyes, brimming with tears and that made me feel more sad for him than just reading those words on the page.
12:55 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_06]: do you think here's a question and I maybe a rewatch will reveal this but do you think that egg ever actually lied about what what did he lie about he lie I mean he's been accused of of lying by dunk he we know he did because he said he never really knew his father I mean I guess you could argue like well I never really got to know him but like it was sort of an all be one canoby kind of lie yeah well in in a certain point of
13:24 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So seriously, it's an ice-a-dye like like an ice-a-dye could get away with everything that eggs said Look Luke Skywalker ended up really well mentally and I think that we should then base all of our conduct on Obi-Wan's lies I said ice-a-dye, but there you go.
13:43 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, anyway
13:45 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I do wonder whether or not Egg says kind of convinced himself.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, actually, I didn't lie.
13:51 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, everything I said was either sort of just concealing the truth or, but I don't actually come out and actually say, right, an actual falsehood.
14:03 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think, you know, for someone who is somewhere between 9 and 12, I'm not sure how old this was.
14:10 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_06]: But, um,
14:11 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that that's pretty typical.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, oh, well, I actually am falling in the letter of the law.
14:16 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_06]: So you can't really fault me with him.
14:17 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think what Duncan is saying is like, you and I both know what you did.
14:23 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: He misled him.
14:25 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
14:25 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
14:26 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
14:26 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_06]: So I think that Egg is kind of learning a lesson in ethics.
14:30 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're, you know, I'm going to bite and go into the Isidai for Alicia.
14:35 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a difference.
14:38 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: between what an Isidai vows to not do, and then I don't know if you're familiar with the wheel time much, but when I said I've heard this bit of lore in the past, and what Alai is, right?
14:50 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there is a whole scene, I don't remember if it's in the book too, but I think it is, but it's at least in the show where an Isidai is questioning a training says, and it's a grain for those who are, you know, curious.
15:03 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: says, uh, what are the three of us goes to to not lie?
15:06 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, what are, what are the words that it says to speak no untrue word?
15:11 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it says.
15:12 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't say don't lie.
15:13 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a speak no untrue word.
15:14 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how egg operate it here.
15:18 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:18 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He spoke no untrue word, but he did lie.
15:20 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would call this a lie.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lie, but I'm a machine.
15:24 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_06]: So I think I agree with you.
15:26 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think, um, I mean, you could make a, uh,
15:29 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_06]: You could make a sweeping generalization about egg and sort of his, you know, whether or not he was more good luck or more bad luck for Dunx perspective.
15:40 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I do have a question about his age though, and it does kind of have relevance here because I feel like if he's nine years old, which is ex perspective in the books,
15:54 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_06]: you almost need to forgive him for anything he does because he's too young to sort of be held accountable.
16:02 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_06]: But I think that if he's older, you know, because he says that people say people think that I'm, I look where I'm small for my age.
16:15 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And he talks about sort of going through puberty earlier in the show.
16:20 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_06]: If he's closer to 12 years old, I almost think we forgive him a little bit less because you expect more, I guess you would expect more from a 12-year-old than you would in 90.
16:34 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know if he's supposed to be playing, I don't know if they're aging him up in the show, or if he's actually supposed to be 9 years old.
16:44 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so he is currently 11 and so when did they film this like a year or so ago, so he was nine or 10 when they filmed it, I took him to be nine, just.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Alright.
17:00 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Interesting.
17:03 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_06]: He almost, the way he talks, it almost kind of feels like he looks young for his age, but he talks a little bit like more like a 12 year old and the fact that he mentioned going through puberty makes me wonder.
17:19 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what they're signaling here.
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he went through puberty yet.
17:24 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think he is going to on the show.
17:32 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Other than I can't serve, and I think the answer is no, he's not, but I like the question because you could read it in one of two ways, right?
17:42 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good night with sort of ethical connotation?
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you like, are you a good man?
17:49 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Or are you a good night and what does he say after that, are you, are you skilled at arms?
17:55 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Which I think is probably his intention, but he asked the question twice and I really think it kind of underscores one of the major themes of the show.
18:05 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_06]: What does it mean to you?
18:08 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it ends up that the type of good night he is is the type of good night he needed to be to get his seven together.
18:15 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you know, Baylor didn't anticipate that, um, that his shitty nephew was going to ask for a trial of the seven.
18:23 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So he didn't know that he would need that, but it is ultimately he's a good night in the way that mattered to get the battle started at least because he was able
18:36 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_03]: to conscious enough that he got quite a good team together, or at least with his lucky squire egg gods, quite a good team together for him.
18:46 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if Dunk had much to do with it except for bailer, yeah, and bailer.
18:52 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: bailer, yeah, yeah, and I guess half-little, but that was all Dunk, a redder.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's let's go right to the demand.
19:02 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: a dunk demands a trial by combat, which is initially refused by Aryan, after being pressured by his father, Aryan demands a trial by seven, which is seven nights versus seven nights, and if you were in the team will be disqualified, the trial of seven will be held a dom and dunk needs a start recruiting.
19:21 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I have a lower clarification question here.
19:25 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_03]: My understanding from the book, and I thought from the TV show, was that as soon as he agreed to this trial by combat which was converted to a trial by seven, he forfeited the punishment of having a hand in a foot-loved off and instead it became life or death.
19:45 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_03]: so that if he didn't gather the seven nights, he would be killed is what I thought.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Am I misunderstanding that?
19:52 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think?
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.
19:55 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_06]: I think, all right, so I'm just, I'm bringing in sort of a medieval history,
20:04 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_06]: detail here that I don't know is true in Martin's world, but a lot of these trial-by-combatts would end with the loser just saying Craven, you know, it's sort of like tapping out.
20:17 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And so wouldn't actually be the sort of a trial to the death.
20:21 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And then, of course, at the end of it,
20:27 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_06]: that the guilty party must suffer whatever fate that they were going to suffer.
20:32 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's very possible that at the end of it, he wouldn't experience death.
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_06]: He would experience the loss of a hand in a foot.
20:41 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
20:42 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And then if Aryan loses, then he just gets a bruised pride, basically.
20:48 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_06]: That seems to be the case, yeah.
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me layer this on to you, though.
20:53 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe they said that punishment for what he did to Aryan was a hand in a foot, but there is the layer charge of what Darryl has been having, which I think that's got to be a punishable by death, kidnapping a prince.
21:09 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's probably true.
21:10 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_06]: You, you, that seems like it doesn't seem like Dunk is going to come out on the other side no matter what.
21:19 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_06]: It's hard to know what the punishment is going to be, especially if, you know, Baylor is sort of the hand of the king here.
21:27 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_06]: If the gods have determined that dunk is guilty, how will Baylor now treat or execute the guilt?
21:41 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
21:41 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a great question.
21:44 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think we've got an answer to it.
21:50 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So how do we feel about the nutcracking?
21:54 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it just shows what a blaze.
21:56 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite part of that is that one of the lords ducking under the table to stick a fan to clean pick up the walnut he dropped when Aryan already forgot about it when I fell on the floor.
22:10 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, you know, Mekar is clearly like, I'm so angry for my sons and I'm so embarrassed of both of them.
22:18 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really interesting that the actor really does sell.
22:22 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Anthony you said it was old munch.
22:25 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He really does sell that mixed motivation here, that mixed sort of anger and disgusted his own songs, anger and embarrassment.
22:33 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I think in this case, I think in many other scenes in the Game of Thrones universe, there would be some serving man off to the side, like waiting in the wings.
22:47 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_06]: to do that kind of work, so that the Lord of the Manor isn't going to be insulted or shamed by having a crawl into the table.
22:57 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_06]: It just so happens that there's no one in the room to do it.
23:01 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought he was more embarrassed of the fact that while taking a serious conversation his son is just like slamming nuts loudly onto the table with a dagger.
23:10 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_00]: that's the embarrassing part.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that he's kind of trying to dodge the trial by combat.
23:15 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_06]: I have a question about that.
23:17 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_06]: So what are his motivations?
23:20 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Arian says I refuse trial by combat and then instead asserts his right to do a trial by seven.
23:30 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Does he think that he can't take Dunk 101 or does he think, well, I'm going to, I'm going to get all the glory if I, you know, host, if I am sort of the center, the first trial by seven and a thousand years, or is it just like, I'm, I'm, I think he can understand his motivations.
23:51 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the, he thought Dunk would not be able to get together the seven, and that the fight just wouldn't happen.
23:59 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, that makes sense.
24:01 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Like he's thinking this guy is utterly alone.
24:04 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_06]: His squire is even in my family.
24:08 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
24:09 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_06]: There's no way he's going to be able to recruit six other nights.
24:14 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
24:16 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_06]: So he's almost assuring his own victory here.
24:19 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:19 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got, you know, the shoe in trial, right.
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Baylor even says that like a trial is not going to go well for you.
24:26 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And then once that's out of the way, he's like, all right, how do I make another default judgment?
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I disqualify him.
24:33 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And even when he learns that don't get his recruiting, he then goes to Stefan and tries to rig it in his favor and almost successfully does.
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And he says, that's one uncle.
24:48 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get there for now, though.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got to do a properly Howard draft.
24:53 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: What was that?
24:54 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Much like properly Howard Duncan and his friends Raymond and egg.
24:58 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Begin a draft.
24:59 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Sir Stefan agrees to fight for dunk and with other's and egg pledges to recruit nights as well.
25:06 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Darren tells Dunk that he dreamed of the hedge night alive with a fire and a dead dragon.
25:12 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Darren says he must fight for
25:18 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I think for it to be a properly-powered draft, there has to be some much more complex rules.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll necessarily complex, really.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure.
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a good point.
25:31 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I was watching this with my son.
25:34 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And he, I paused it in the middle of it.
25:38 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I said, all right, let's imagine you're in dunk situation.
25:42 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Who are the six friends you're going to go to to sort of recruit to be part of your team?
25:47 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_06]: And he said, Paul Jack Carson Mason, Alex and Chris, and the Squire would be his friend, Charlie.
25:54 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_06]: So he had these names.
25:56 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Sox to be Charlie, he was like, Charlie doesn't get to be in my squad.
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Charlie is my sidekick.
26:03 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Charlie, he's got a fucking Charlie.
26:08 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, but it would be kind of like, it would be a fun exercise for listeners if you were in dunk situation.
26:17 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_06]: who within the world of Westeros, and it can be in any era, would you recruit to participate in your trial by seven?
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a really fun one.
26:30 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We should do a bonus episode on this.
26:33 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It would be interesting scenario.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I try out by seven draft.
26:37 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because I think people might get a little tricky and like, well, I'm gonna take brand because then he can work into a bear or something.
26:47 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_06]: writing that initially has some kind of horsemanship, like some kind of equine training.
26:53 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_06]: You have to be a knight.
26:55 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_06]: I really do think that if it's like a legit house, it would have to be, it doesn't have to be a no, it would have to be someone like Brienne who would be good at this, right?
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, though.
27:06 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
27:06 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_03]: They did night Raymond on the spot.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So technically that's true.
27:12 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, sir, Lionel rules then.
27:15 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But then, yeah, I think that in order to make it of properly how we're drafted, we have to also make each one coincide with one of the seven, you know, of religion.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's tough.
27:28 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
27:30 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I picked Catland's stargan shall rip the head off of any other.
27:34 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need seven, I'm calling Barry Dunbarion first so that he has the reverse has nothing on Catland Stark.
27:45 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_03]: He has the revived spell.
27:46 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_03]: She has nothing.
27:47 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, sorry, book spoilers, but this sort of my private theory that the Hound is has never been with a woman.
27:56 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, and I would, so I would use him as my sort of tricky, made category, like if okay, if each one of the seven has to be represented, of course, Kendra is going to be my Smith, and the hown will be my maid, and then Brienne will be my, she can't really be the mother can she.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, she can't even be the crumb.
28:16 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure somebody called her mother like torment.
28:19 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet he called her mother.
28:21 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think if you asked the viewing audience at home, those don't say mother.
28:26 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_06]: All right, Jamie Lannistery stood on his tiptoes for her worth it worth every tippy tippy toe.
28:33 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we've got a we've got a team ready to be built.
28:40 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we know what Stefan does later.
28:43 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Raymond, of course, our Labrador retriever of the show ready to do whatever it takes.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and um,
28:53 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_03]: We finally got the dream of the hedge knight with the dead dragon on top of him wings spread wide.
29:02 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So we can't speculate on that obviously, but I do wonder if people at home have thoughts about that.
29:11 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
29:12 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think, you know, just sort of what from what we know of what the show has told us is the
29:20 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_06]: in this case the dragon is symbolic and because of the size of the dragon maybe it's an important or you know a dragon of renown or something like that or you know he's felling a great foe or something along those so but it in the in the dream it's clearly done right and
29:43 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_06]: and the dragon well on top is dead.
29:46 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_06]: So I think there are a number of clues about this dream that would, I think, weren't some pretty specific speculation.
29:59 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: To the spoiler section in the, after the credits.
30:02 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Although question, I think on my first read,
30:07 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that I went anyway.
30:09 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, spoiler section, conversation.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know that I found it obvious on my first read.
30:15 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
30:15 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the next step is going to be to take a break.
30:19 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So we'll see you on the other side of that.
30:39 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's got a copper?
30:41 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Dunk enters the puppet tent and can't find Tanzel.
30:44 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Who has run off to Dorn?
30:46 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, Steely Pate has his shield for him, and his rearmor decides asking only a copper as payment.
30:53 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Steely Pate then gives his once-a-torny lecture on shield interpretation.
31:00 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_06]: I think Steely Pate has kind eyes.
31:03 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Dungeon.
31:05 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a good dude in the books, and he was well cast in the show.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd swipe right on him.
31:07 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I think yes.
31:07 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was a question at the, you know, we're not quite at the senior, but there was a question about like, how are we going to fill out this roster?
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And still he pays just standing right there.
31:12 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a
31:23 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_06]: You have that guy hammer or something, you know?
31:26 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_06]: What, and night him?
31:27 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, night him.
31:30 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
31:30 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
31:31 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I think honestly, if it was like, foss away or that guy, I bet the bigger guy.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Can he ride a horse?
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we know that, you know?
31:39 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: There's other stuff we got to learn here and at least at least where we just had some trading and some of the skills you need to follow up on.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:50 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a junior knight.
31:52 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't know if I don't know if Steely Pates got the got the chaps on some other things possible.
31:58 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's possible that the fossil way will acquit himself well, but I'd be tempted.
32:03 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I'd be tempted to throw some of that armor on top of Steely Pate.
32:07 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_06]: He's good with armor, we know that.
32:09 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And we didn't mention that one of the, so they've got both Humphries, including the one who got crushed by the horse and his leg, so he cannot dismount the horse.
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_03]: He can only fight by horseback whereas others can be more versatile.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And we don't know anything about the other Humphries, Beesbury.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we know even less than we knew in the book.
32:29 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, he's sort of almost an extra.
32:35 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I really enjoyed the whole little talk about you.
32:40 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The leaves are still green.
32:41 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I put it in a little bit about as one to the 20 lecture for the professor in the room.
32:47 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think I would go to one of his art history classes.
32:52 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_06]: I've got a little note on this, but I probably should save it for the spoiler section.
32:57 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I do wonder if, you know, I said that he has kind of eyes.
33:04 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_06]: It really is sort of this, I have the beholder kind of interpretation, where he needs a pep talk.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, dunk needs a pep talk.
33:13 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, falling star.
33:15 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_06]: That's that's no good.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_06]: It's falling.
33:17 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, sunset, sunset is like, you know, looking forward to night.
33:26 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is not necessarily a good omen for me.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe I chose the wrong sigil.
33:32 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, and of course, you know, kind of eyes, kind of sees the painting a little bit different says this tree is alive.
33:42 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_06]: It's growing and I think a tree is a good sigil for our tall man, right?
33:47 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
33:48 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, so I think I think a steely pate kind of gives him a little glimmer of hope, which is what he I think that's right.
33:59 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and sometimes I mean sometimes it's that pep talk just that thing that gives you the the energy and the drive and the hope that keeps you going.
34:10 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you two have seen edits online of people say that don't cause already met his seven his versions of the seven gods.
34:24 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_06]: All right, I need to know this because I guess someone called someone wrote in about this, and I kind of pooped it.
34:32 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Do you know in this case who the crown is?
34:35 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I believe they made the crown.
34:38 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_03]: The fortune teller?
34:39 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The fortune teller?
34:41 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Or no, they made her the stranger.
34:43 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_06]: The part that I'm trying to erase in my memory.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a thing about the fortune teller, but that'll be spoiler, sorry.
34:50 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, if that is the stranger, then who's the crown?
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_00]: good question.
34:55 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_06]: See, I feel like people are a little bit of a little bit of a reach with some.
35:03 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just for fun.
35:07 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess she could be the Cronen Australia, but that doesn't feel satisfying.
35:13 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_06]: If he's met the Cronen, it's
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.
35:23 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
35:23 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like if if if we've met the Crohn so far, it's such a minor role that it's almost insignificant and probably not worth drawing the connection that that would be my answer to that.
35:36 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, sorry.
35:37 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_06]: One more thing.
35:38 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_06]: It must be said that Darren the Drunker has the shittiest apology ever.
35:48 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_06]: May it could be that my life has killed you, sir, and if that's the case, I'm sorry.
35:53 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Oops.
35:56 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, okay, that's the first step.
35:59 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_06]: How about going and recanting the deception?
36:04 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_06]: How about how about actually putting some action behind your apologies, sir?
36:09 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I'm definitely going to help for this and it's probably a hell with that wine.
36:14 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, big deal.
36:15 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Like you have just admitted your falsehood.
36:18 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_06]: You're sorry.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm about to die.
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_06]: This is, this is, this is beyond the pale beyond the pale.
36:25 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Darren has got to be one of the most morally gray characters.
36:29 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, I think a lot of us end up forgiving him to a certain extent because he's like, I'll just fall down, you know, and I think the key is, we know Egg hates his brother, Aryan, but he defends his brother, Darren.
36:43 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, and then it's like, well, who knows these boys better than their little brother?
36:49 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so if egg says he's okay, then, all right.
36:53 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't think morally gray is sufficient enough.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_06]: This guy's just an ass.
36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_06]: He's a morally ass.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_06]: He's a moron asshole.
37:03 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Total cowardice, just because he's a little bit.
37:07 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Very much a coward.
37:08 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
37:09 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm not, I'm not in the, in the mood to forgive Darren the drunkard.
37:16 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_03]: at least he is one he's already telling him up front like listen you're starting against six because I'm not gonna fight you I'm just not gonna do it so that at least immediately takes one person off the board one opponent off the board so it's kind of like I was just talking I can't make a political comparison but it's like if someone you know sneaks into a team under false
37:47 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I can imagine other courses of action that people a little bit more on her.
37:55 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, is it that gonna like punish him really?
37:58 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the most he does is like give him less money for a little bit.
38:03 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_06]: I think he said at one point, he said, I couldn't take another foot whipping boy.
38:10 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's so I was like, why don't ours that's a foot whip?
38:14 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you can't see it there.
38:16 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_06]: I asked a friend of mine and he said, I think this is called a Bastanado.
38:20 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's a way that you can physically punish someone so that it's not noticeable to the naked eye.
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_06]: You actually are torturing their feet.
38:32 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know if you actually got a foot-whiping or if this is sort of a metaphor for like a tongue-lashing that he got from his father.
38:39 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm, and I don't know really what this says.
38:41 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_06]: If he was actually if he actually got his feet whooped, I do feel a little bit sorry.
38:46 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
38:49 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's get to Don, where Don could meet his team, including Sir's Robin and Lionel.
38:57 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Arriving on the battlefields are Stefan changes sides, leaving Donk with only five nights in exchange for a Lordship from
39:05 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Raymond offers to help ifnited and before Duncan Knight him Lionel steps in.
39:12 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to your instantiating Anthony with David and Steve.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Steve is on it, right?
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember anymore.
39:20 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
39:21 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
39:22 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The three of you were talking about was did Duncan actually know the words.
39:30 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I am with you that I do not think he knows the words.
39:33 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't either.
39:34 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think the whole hesitating to Night Raymond, it can be read as him hesitating to put his friend in danger, but I immediately thought, oh, he doesn't know the words and Lionel saves him because he does.
39:48 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_06]: So to know the words, he would have had to hurt them several times because he's not like he's reading like,
39:57 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_06]: the manual on Chivalry or something like that, right?
40:01 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_06]: So he is, he would have had to have heard Arlin Knight, someone or heard someone at a tournament, Knight or someone else.
40:12 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think he's ever had the occasion to learn the words.
40:15 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Moreover, when he recounts to the master of games plumber in the first episode,
40:23 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_06]: He kind of summarizes, and he told me to protect the innocent and to defend the realm.
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_06]: So he kind of has the gist of what a night is supposed to do.
40:34 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_06]: But to have the exact formula memorized, I think, as a tall order, and probably something he's never been exposed to.
40:44 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_03]: even if he was properly ninety which again we we all think maybe he wasn't but even if he was he probably wouldn't remember them.
40:55 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_03]: What was that cutaway to there's a cutaway to was that Arlin giving the shrug and he's
41:03 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly, and it was perfectly placed, you know, this is sort of a show-only detail, it's perfectly placed because as the first three units of the formula are being recited, like, you know, the warrior, be brave, the father be just, mother, protect the innocent and children.
41:24 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And then you almost get like a dot dot dot as dunk is walking away or writing away and you get that kind of shrug from Ireland who's kind of I mean you could interpret that how you want but the way I interpreted it was Ireland was kind of the same like sorry sorry I never taught you any of this I just I don't think the dunk knows it and I think that the shrug says it all
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's probably right.
41:56 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, the only two people we've seen in Nightsamun in the show from my recollects, in any of these shows, was Jamie Lanister and Lionel Baratheon, right?
42:08 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only people we've seen actually in Nightsamun.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And those are two people who would regularly night people with part of their duties, right?
42:15 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You have the commander of the Kingsguard.
42:17 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have the the Lord Paramount of realm where it's going to night every like really prestigious night that that's ready for nighthood probably I think it's reasonable to both of those have those memorized Whereas I don't know if every night has those words all memorized
42:35 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing is, if Dunk had knighted Raymond, and he wasn't properly knighted himself, then that would have been not only having Dunk himself be a false knight, but would have made Raymond a false knight as well, and now instead Raymond gets knighted by one of the most prominent knights in the land, so that's good for Raymond.
42:55 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, obviously, I was excited by the laughing storm.
42:59 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know big deal, big deal.
43:00 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you heard of this?
43:01 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Good.
43:01 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_06]: And I've, you know, in talking with people who know about the period in our world, if you are knighted by a king or a high lord or a knight of renown, that absolutely increases your status as a knight.
43:17 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Whereas if he, if Raymond was dubbed by a hedge knight,
43:23 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, it would almost, it wouldn't necessarily be a knock on his armor, but it's certainly less prestigious.
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interview with the vampire rules, right?
43:35 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the right.
43:36 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: More prestigious the vampire, the strong vampire you are.
43:39 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
43:40 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_03]: You want to be turned by, let's start, not by Louis.
43:43 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
43:44 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
43:47 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So we've got our team in.
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We're ready to go.
43:51 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Dung makes a desperate plea to the audience for a night to join his cause.
43:55 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's met with a fart and laughter that takes all the shame out of the audience.
44:00 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_00]: All scenes lost when Prince Baylor arrives to pledge himself to the cause of Stardunkin, a true night who protected the innocent.
44:11 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the fart.
44:12 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people were pissed about it, but I enjoyed the fart.
44:14 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I enjoyed it.
44:15 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was it was the if you were not you're upset about the fart then you've not been watching the show they're The show has prepared you all along for the fart this show is the fart in this universe, right?
44:28 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the most mild Yeah, risk-a-thing we've had in this season tomorrow.
44:36 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_06]: So I like I like the amount of time it takes
44:45 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe Bailor is not convinced that he is going to participate until he sees the boss away betrayal.
44:56 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_06]: And maybe when he sees that, I think he like, this is all sort of in my own mind, but thinking, once he sees that, he's thinking, oh, all right, forget this.
45:06 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to join this the other side, because... Was he...
45:10 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_06]: was he in his throne to begin with when I don't think we see him, but I do feel like if that was sort of the inciting moment of sort of the deciding factor, it does require a little bit of time to get your horse together to get your armor on all of that business.
45:31 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like the timing is right for him to sort of enter that stage.
45:36 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right, and then if he got another knight to fight with him besides him, he would then go back to the King's chair, you know, the royal chair, and he'd be like, no guy that just really felt like where my armor did it, it's fine, no big deal.
45:53 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's, I think it says so much though, I just can't imagine any other night would mean as much to the people watching just to have the accusers own uncle, the air to the throne step in on the side of this hedge night, that really says everything about who is morally in the right here.
46:14 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_06]: It does, but in addition to that, it totally levels a plan
46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Like the king's car has no shot before.
46:23 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_06]: He has no shot and all the sudden it's like, oh my gosh, this is this is going to be a good fight.
46:28 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to actually see one of the most storied Knights of the entire kingdom.
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, I mean, at least two.
46:37 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
46:39 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And so Robin is much in there too, is any like he's he's crazy, but he's like crazy.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Good night, too.
46:44 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And the Humphrey's too.
46:46 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Also have quite a name, but the thing is also with Baylor in the mix.
46:50 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_03]: The King's Guard cannot attack Baylor.
46:54 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
46:54 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_03]: The two, what did he, he has three King's guardsmen.
46:57 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:58 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So half of that almost half the other team can attack one of the members.
47:05 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
47:05 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
47:06 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So definitely looking better.
47:08 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's funny, though, the Baylor, whatever his intentions were.
47:11 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_03]: He waited until Dunk gave his little speech so that he could write in at the right moment in the music could rise.
47:20 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm sure they know the theme song in their universe too.
47:23 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_06]: What if that dude who farted stood up and actually says, I'll stand with you and then immediately Baylor, Galpsen,
47:33 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Would they tell the guy never minds I don't think so.
47:37 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they tell Raymond to sit down I think they would say Raymond.
47:41 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, but you're you're night now, but you're not in the team I'm sure Raymond would Beally relieved, but He gets his nighthood without fighting Not a bad deal out of the situation getting knitted by the laughing storm and not risking death
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would be a deal for him, yeah.
48:00 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you good?
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's sip and cider.
48:01 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, on the sidelines, he's happy.
48:03 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's ready to go.
48:05 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, somebody pointed out that every single time he sees dunk, he's like, are you hungry?
48:09 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want cider?
48:10 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you agree?
48:11 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's always just offering alms to dunk.
48:15 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it said, it's an expression in Dutch love goes through the stomach.
48:20 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's good to go.
48:21 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the episode.
48:23 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not actually a lot of plot.
48:26 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's mostly just, you know, a few set pieces getting us ready for the penultimate episode.
48:30 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And yet, even though it is a setup episode, it just makes you feel all the feelings, right?
48:39 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
48:40 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_06]: And it rises, and it falls dramatically, and then it rises again.
48:47 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_06]: You get to hear the traditional Game of Thrones music sort of to Harold, the
48:58 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_06]: and it ends perfectly, it just ends, it cuts the black as soon as dunk is, you know, gesturing his horse forward.
49:09 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Almost as if to say, all right, it's now it, now it begins.
49:14 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Now here's the real story.
49:15 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And I kind of feel sorry for folks who were like, were out in episode one, because this really did
49:26 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, it took a while to get here, and so if you didn't enjoy the ride up until this point, you know, maybe it was, it wasn't worth sticking around, but I do feel like this was, this episode was worth kind of a lot of the comedy.
49:41 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_06]: If the comedy did not work for you earlier episodes, uh, this episode almost rewards you for sticking around.
49:57 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm ready for a nice and gruesome battle, hopefully.
50:00 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what we'll see with you.
50:02 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine, imagine they just like cut to the end of it at the beginning of the episode.
50:06 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, where this is not this kind of show.
50:08 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be no battle of the bastards here for you, folks.
50:13 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I do think that they're, you know, this is, this is Martin's world, right?
50:18 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_06]: So when I, when we're covering this book with Steve,
50:22 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we were, I was sort of covering the novella with Steve, and this was his first read.
50:28 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_06]: His take up until this point was, this is Game of Thrones.
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
50:33 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I should expect the bad guys to win and tragedy to come to dunk, right?
50:39 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, if you just keep on flipping pages and you're expecting Martin's world to end in that way, you feel at this point,
50:51 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, absolutely anything could happen.
50:53 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I think that the tone of this show has sort of feels different.
50:57 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_06]: This is, I don't feel like if you're just watching this show without having read the novella, I don't think that you feel afraid for dunk this point.
51:07 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like you're rooting for him, you want the catharsis.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It helps that you know that they're filming season two.
51:14 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_06]: It does help you know that they're filming season two.
51:19 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the night of the seven kingdoms in season two is Raymond.
51:23 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch that show.
51:24 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch it.
51:25 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I would watch it.
51:27 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch it.
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51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch it.
51:39 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch it.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I would watch it.
51:40 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_06]: I would watch it.
51:40 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a joke of, you know, are you hungry, but like it's kind of a running joke.
51:45 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But earlier in the season, he goes, are you hungry?
51:47 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Always.
51:48 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And for once, Dunk says no, I'm not hungry.
51:50 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And that tells you how Dunk's heart is in his stomach right now, right?
51:54 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, he just cannot even, you know what, eating bless Raymond's little heart.
52:01 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Because Dunk is an eating because he's nauseous, right?
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_06]: He's got anxiety.
52:06 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_06]: He feels like it's maybe his last night on earth.
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_06]: But Raven knows you got an even apple, at least even apple, man.
52:14 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_06]: You got to have you, you can't go in on an empty stomach.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
52:20 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone knows you got to have carb up before you work out.
52:24 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
52:25 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not.
52:26 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a gym rat.
52:27 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I know this.
52:27 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm just, I'm definitely going to the fossil waste for dinner.
52:32 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Not to the phrase.
52:35 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
52:35 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
52:37 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_03]: I won't take their salt and bread.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It means nothing.
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54:05 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean more in the main lower-hounds feed or the comic's versus feed watch out for part two of Wonder Man's yeah Yeah, sorry this episode was late and Wonder Man is coming out later than expected because everybody's been sick this week It's winter in the Northeast United States.
54:21 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all screwed Even though you're not in the Northeast, but it's okay
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54:47 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
54:48 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Similarly, in stories, I'm recording with Marilyn tomorrow night, no, not tomorrow night, tonight from now.
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56:30 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into book spoilers, I have to deal with the go-go-stown somebody loaded into the Zencaster interfaces.
56:37 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's... That's from Wonderman.
56:41 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh!
56:43 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is tasty.
56:44 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about some book spoilers, everybody.
56:47 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we should have a river song, spoilers.
56:50 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, click, up and noted.
56:53 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_00]: No, do you get it?
56:54 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've used that before, but I have not, like, kept it around.
56:57 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
56:59 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess we got to talk about this prophecy, of course, right?
57:02 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_03]: So Anthony, do you want to say things about the dragon with the wide wings that's dead on you?
57:08 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was just going to say first off that I think that there's our mention of a fire doesn't.
57:15 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a fire, yeah, in this prophecy, there's a fire, there's a dragon on top of a dunk, and he's a lot of dragons dead.
57:22 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
57:23 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_06]: So who knows if this, okay, so I don't think that the fire has anything to do with this season, right?
57:30 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_06]: No.
57:31 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Because we know how this season ends.
57:34 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And yet we know that there's a prominent fire dunks story.
57:39 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think, and we did not get a fire relative to Dung's prophecy from the Woods Witch.
57:47 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_06]: So this is an interesting development.
57:51 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_06]: And if you are a book reader, you might think of the fire at summer hall as significant or egg and not dunk.
58:01 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah.
58:03 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_06]: So in this case, we get not from the woods witch, but we do get from Darren, the, the, the mention of fire.
58:10 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I thought was.
58:11 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_03]: So what's interesting is that the, the fortune teller didn't say, you know, I was joking like, oh, why she, she's got to talk about eggsteth, but not tungsteth.
58:23 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_03]: What if the dragon on top dunk isn't about Baylor in the next episode?
58:30 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_03]: What if it means that dunk actually secretly survives the fire of summer hall?
58:36 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_06]: That's it's really interesting to me and I was wondering like some time because it is symbolic and because there's a lot of dragons you might interpret it as bail or that would be the immediate
58:53 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_06]: interpretation.
58:55 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_06]: And yet, it did cross my mind.
58:58 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, I wonder if this is not necessarily a prophecy about what's going to happen in the immediate, but maybe this is something that is meant for dunk, sort of the final, the final story of dunks, or I'm not, I'm not really sure
59:20 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, since we're talking about the prophecies, I bring up something about the fortune teller that I've been seeing people of them pointing out online that the fortune teller will say they use the same actress again as the woman in the tavern in episode one.
59:39 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And some people have pointed out that, you know, we don't see her face is mostly obscured under a purple hood, and some people have pointed out that there might be a birthmark on her cheek.
59:53 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And by purple hood, could that be a color also called LUM, P-L-U-M-M?
01:00:02 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think the blood raven could be, but why would he do that?
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_06]: It makes no sense.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look, it's an interesting detail.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_06]: They did bring in some other stuff from the mystery night.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_06]: For instance, they brought in the sort of subterfuge, like maybe we could turn a profit if someone accidentally falls off their horse wink wink.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_06]: That is a plot detail from the mystery night that they brought into this story.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:45 [SPEAKER_06]: So it wouldn't necessarily be beyond them to bring in blood raven into this story either.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_06]: I just don't know why you do it.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_06]: If that is what you want to do, what purpose that is.
01:00:53 --> 01:01:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess we shall see, but it is interesting because that whole thing adding her at all is, is, is, and I honestly, I thought that I was kind of looking out for blood raven to show up here because he is so blood raven is is another, another dreamer from the family who becomes, we see him in the,
01:01:16 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_03]: original show he is the one who is up north of the wall hooked into the trees system teaching brown how to one.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe he's you know maybe he's a shape shifter there's you know a couple indications that maybe he you know and practice a little faceless man kind of magic.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, maybe he's a wrap that the dunk is pettin in the very beginning of this episode did that have a no Yeah, that would be him working.
01:01:50 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I mean has no idea I yeah, I mean, but I would imagine the blood raven is watching everything From the future at least, but maybe from the present as well to some extent because that's why what is what is is saying about him?
01:02:06 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: He has a thousand eyes and one yeah and one
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01:02:36 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_06]: That's interesting.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_06]: That's interesting.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_06]: We know what happens to summer hall, right?
01:02:42 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_06]: And we know that that's a significant, I guess, pretending someone's death at least in summer hall.
01:02:51 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_06]: So I do feel like maybe the shield is not necessarily the portent of hope that celipate is interpreted.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, so season two, we know, so jumps ahead a couple of years, but of course in this world seasons last for years, so it doesn't season two, it starts with a drought, is that's that's summer, right, spring now in season one and season two takes place in summer a couple of years later something that's a good question.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if the drought, I mean you could have a, you could have a drunken winter.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_06]: That's, it's possible to do that.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's a very hot winter.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it's, I don't know how to interpret this.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I do think that do we know what season it is in the second novella?
01:03:46 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I assume summer because of everyone's weight on all the time.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so here's a question about the finale.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_03]: If they wrap up the battle, the battle next episode, which I assume they will, I assume the next episode's going to end with something horrible happening to a dragon.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Then for the finale,
01:04:12 --> 01:04:38 [SPEAKER_03]: What are they like is there going to be flashback stuff to flesh out the finale is they're going to be flash forward stuff that seems less likely to me especially because Dexter soul what's his face the you know egg was we can tell his aging because he's I kid So you know they couldn't just age him up for a flash forward or something would you guys think is going to take up the time in the finale?
01:04:39 --> 01:04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, definitely the aftermath of, you know, bailers death, obviously.
01:04:44 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna, we kind of skip that in the book, right?
01:04:48 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of just he died and then later egg comes and visits Duncan and he's like, it's still like to be your squire and who's with them?
01:04:55 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Maycar comes with them.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:57 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, yeah, sure fine, go with them.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_06]: That's a lot of yada yada between those and I think you could fill up an episode with that so here's here's a few things that they could do with the final episode We've we've introduced a few plot lines that have that we didn't see in the novella
01:05:17 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_06]: We could follow up, have a follow up conversation with the master of games.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_06]: We could have a follow-up with the sex workers.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:43 [SPEAKER_06]: We could have a follow-up sort of a bow tied on the relationship between Raymond Fossaway and Dung.
01:05:45 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_06]: a laughing storm a swansong right he's more of a more of a fleshed out character in this show then he was in the book so we can have a final conversation between the laughing storm and dunk that there's a lot of little bits and pieces that have given this particular show texture that we didn't find in the novella and it feels like you might want
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_06]: sort of a final goodbye to some of these characters who we may or may not meet future seasons.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the laughing storm in particular, we know he plays an important role in ex-future, Duncan ex-future.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So it would make sense.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there has to be something to wrap that up.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and oh, yeah, Raymond too, just because he's been, he's been trying so hard to be
01:06:40 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I guess because we are in the spoiler section, we can mention that this is sort of the inciting moment of the two different boss away families.
01:06:50 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_06]: After this particular event, Raymond takes on his own schedule, he changes the red apple to green, and so now you have two different branches and two different houses of the
01:07:06 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_06]: And they point the family points back to this moment when the green apples were became a thing, I guess.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because fuck's deafen.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what?
01:07:26 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_06]: We're done with stuff and yeah, you know what?
01:07:28 --> 01:07:35 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll just say this this guy just he was such he just was such a great conduit of righteous anger.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:39 [SPEAKER_06]: You just kind of like thought like this is how Robert's rebellion begins.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_06]: These guys who hate the Targaryens.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_06]: who's like, where are their dragons?
01:07:44 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Why are they, why do they get to lord it over us?
01:07:47 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there are people like Stephen Fossoway in the land who kind of give rise to something like Roberts for Bellian when it finally comes to a four.
01:07:59 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, are they really fighting for the honor of Lianna Stark or do they just, are they just sick of these dragon lords lords in it over them?
01:08:09 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think that someone like Stefan Vassoway gives you a great window into the undercurrent, the Howard Zinn of it all, underneath the sort of the traditional stories of the Targaryen lordship.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, brand will hold it all together in the future.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Guy comes to him to complain, says my sheep ran away.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He goes, oh, your sheep are back home.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I brought him back home.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: because he worked into all the shit.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Interesting.
01:08:48 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that's all I got.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was just going to say, I think that's all I had for our spoiler section.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you guys have anything else?
01:08:57 --> 01:08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not as versed in this area as YouTube are, so I don't want to like start saying wrong things.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm excited to see what comes true.
01:09:08 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see how these prophecies wrap up.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's going to be a good rest of the season.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'm glad they're already filming season two.
01:09:17 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, everybody.
01:09:19 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We will see you, or Anthony will see you, but Steve, for feedback on Friday, and then we will see you for another full breakdown in next week.
01:09:27 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: See you.