Doctor Who - S01E06 - Dot and Bubble

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[00:00:30] Welcome to the Sonic Screwcast,

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[00:00:41] And I'm Alisha.

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[00:00:49] In this episode, we'll be discussing Season 1, Episode 6,

[00:00:52] titled Dot and Bubble.

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[00:02:05] So, Alicia, you have a correction to issue?

[00:02:08] Yes.

[00:02:09] So, the actor who plays a doctor has issued a correction

[00:02:13] on the pronunciation of his name.

[00:02:15] We have not been pronouncing the N in his name

[00:02:18] and apparently we should be.

[00:02:19] So, it's Nshuti.

[00:02:21] Yeah, Nshuti.

[00:02:22] Nshuti?

[00:02:23] Nshuti, just a little N at the beginning.

[00:02:26] See, that's fascinating

[00:02:27] because everything I've ever seen has been Nshuti.

[00:02:32] Even like David Tennant talking about his successor.

[00:02:35] Okay.

[00:02:36] All right, now I'm going to have to correct myself.

[00:02:39] Yes, exactly.

[00:02:40] No, he just this week, he was just like,

[00:02:42] guys, okay, I have to do this for my mom, basically.

[00:02:47] That's pretty funny.

[00:02:48] Nshuti.

[00:02:49] Okay.

[00:02:50] All right, we're working on it.

[00:02:53] Give me your...

[00:02:55] I was going to ask you what you thought.

[00:02:57] Okay, this is my favorite episode of the season so far.

[00:03:00] Okay, okay.

[00:03:02] It's honestly the best who's been since,

[00:03:06] I think, since the Stephen Moffat era.

[00:03:08] This is really great stuff.

[00:03:11] I love that they sort of baited us with the AI stuff,

[00:03:14] which was a critique of AI.

[00:03:16] Right.

[00:03:17] But they had a deeper meaning too.

[00:03:20] Like there were two bubbles, right?

[00:03:21] There was the bubble of the AI thing

[00:03:24] and then there was the bubble that these people live in.

[00:03:27] Right, like the city.

[00:03:27] To the point where they don't even know

[00:03:28] that all their family and friends are dead.

[00:03:30] Right, but then also the city's in a bubble too,

[00:03:32] apparently.

[00:03:33] Right, yeah, yeah.

[00:03:33] That's what I mean.

[00:03:34] Yeah, okay.

[00:03:35] You know, they're isolated from everything.

[00:03:38] I do have questions that I know that you've raised,

[00:03:41] but to me, Doctor Who has never neatly tied up everything

[00:03:47] and it's okay if we just...

[00:03:49] Like it's all a morality play, right?

[00:03:51] Like we understood the messages here.

[00:03:54] Right.

[00:03:54] And I thought that they were done really well

[00:03:56] and unlike the Space Babies episode where I thought

[00:03:59] it was really like, here is the moral of the story.

[00:04:02] Listen up now.

[00:04:03] I thought that this was done really subtly

[00:04:05] and in a way that felt raw and real.

[00:04:09] Right.

[00:04:11] I mean, I think that there was...

[00:04:12] It was kind of addressing a complex morality.

[00:04:14] You know, a lot of people say it's an episode about racism,

[00:04:18] but I would say that that was kind of peripheral

[00:04:20] to the real core question here is

[00:04:24] what is your obligation to save people

[00:04:28] who don't want to be saved by you?

[00:04:30] You know, who just from their own stubbornness or racism

[00:04:33] or whatever confluence of factors,

[00:04:37] are you...

[00:04:39] Should you feel morally obligated to save assholes basically?

[00:04:43] And I don't know if...

[00:04:44] I mean, I guess they raised the question

[00:04:46] and that's very interesting.

[00:04:47] I had an initially mixed reaction to this episode

[00:04:50] and a lot of people did not like that

[00:04:53] because a lot of people very passionately love this episode.

[00:04:56] I've been thinking about it more

[00:04:57] and I like it the more that I think about it,

[00:05:01] which is, you know, it's a good thing.

[00:05:02] It triggers that kind of thought, obviously.

[00:05:05] It's still going to be my third favorite of the season

[00:05:07] after Boom and 73 Yards.

[00:05:12] But yeah, it was a good one.

[00:05:14] It was a Dr. Light one again,

[00:05:16] which I didn't mind.

[00:05:19] Apparently, it's because he had filming conflicts at this time.

[00:05:23] He was still doing sex education.

[00:05:26] But I think they handled that well.

[00:05:27] What did you think about that?

[00:05:29] Yeah, I didn't feel like I was deprived of him.

[00:05:32] I thought he was there an appropriate amount of time

[00:05:34] for something like this, right?

[00:05:36] Where he's trying to break in the bubble.

[00:05:38] And I thought that his interactions with Lindy

[00:05:41] really subtly highlighted both racism and classism

[00:05:46] in this society.

[00:05:48] Yeah.

[00:05:48] When she immediately blocks him,

[00:05:49] but doesn't do that for Ruby.

[00:05:51] It's things that you don't notice right away,

[00:05:53] but you do notice eventually.

[00:05:55] There's something that somebody raised on Reddit,

[00:05:58] I think it was, that I really resonated with,

[00:06:01] which was, think about all the societies

[00:06:05] that had these backwards beliefs

[00:06:08] that the doctor saved before

[00:06:09] and it just never came up

[00:06:11] because the doctor was looking like a white human.

[00:06:15] Right.

[00:06:16] Right.

[00:06:17] No, I mean, it is.

[00:06:18] I do like that they explored that.

[00:06:20] I just think they could have leaned into that even more.

[00:06:25] It seems like they were kind of pussyfooting around it

[00:06:27] a little bit.

[00:06:29] Oh, I didn't think so.

[00:06:29] I thought that, see, here's the thing is,

[00:06:32] I thought that they highlighted that

[00:06:33] when racism and classism are so pervasive in a society,

[00:06:37] they're not going to just outright say it

[00:06:41] until they're pushed to.

[00:06:43] They're going to be like, you're blocked.

[00:06:45] Oh, are you two in the same room?

[00:06:47] Like the disbelief because the idea of someone

[00:06:52] looking like Nchuti, okay, see I'm working on it.

[00:06:55] The idea of someone looking like the doctor

[00:06:58] being an equal to them or acting like an equal

[00:07:01] is so foreign to them that it's almost weird

[00:07:06] more than it is gross to them, right?

[00:07:08] Right.

[00:07:08] It's something that they're totally unexpected.

[00:07:11] Yeah.

[00:07:12] And so I thought that they did a really good job

[00:07:14] highlighting that because it made the gut punch

[00:07:17] later feel right because it made it so that,

[00:07:21] sure, that's the third step in the Martinist

[00:07:24] three-step reveal, right?

[00:07:27] Yeah.

[00:07:29] Maybe going in, it suffered a bit from the black

[00:07:32] mirror comparison to my book, but I guess for me,

[00:07:36] my main complaint is like just that the level

[00:07:39] of stupidity amongst these people got a little annoying.

[00:07:42] They were so irredeemable that I was like, why

[00:07:48] are you wasting your time on them?

[00:07:49] Why on this girl?

[00:07:50] Why this girl out of all the people in this city

[00:07:54] even why her?

[00:07:57] I mean the doctor tries to save even murderers,

[00:08:01] right?

[00:08:01] Like think about forgot the name of the episode

[00:08:04] but the vampires in Venice where he's like, look,

[00:08:07] I'll find a planet for you.

[00:08:09] Yeah, but okay.

[00:08:10] But why did she get why she the one who wanted

[00:08:13] the special effort because they couldn't have been

[00:08:15] doing that with everybody in the city, right?

[00:08:17] Right.

[00:08:17] Yeah.

[00:08:17] I don't know.

[00:08:18] Maybe maybe they actually I think they had a really

[00:08:22] throwaway line that was like, you know, you're

[00:08:24] the only one who picked up basically.

[00:08:26] Okay, maybe that's what it is and Ricky.

[00:08:28] They were just pushing themselves.

[00:08:30] Ricky doesn't wear the dot.

[00:08:31] Right, right.

[00:08:32] No, that makes sense.

[00:08:34] But they just push themselves in on her like whole

[00:08:37] thing.

[00:08:37] They should have been talking to what was his

[00:08:39] name?

[00:08:39] Gothic Paul, Gothic Paul.

[00:08:42] But gothic Paul even when confronted with the reality

[00:08:45] of it.

[00:08:45] He's like, oh not even I would say that.

[00:08:48] I don't know.

[00:08:49] I don't know.

[00:08:49] I think I think all of them were equally having

[00:08:53] disbelief.

[00:08:55] Okay.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:56] No, I mean they were all like little crappy kids,

[00:08:58] but some worse than others and she seemed particularly

[00:09:02] bad.

[00:09:02] But of course I had yeah, but that's what we find

[00:09:06] out toward the end of the episode to how bad she

[00:09:08] is.

[00:09:09] Yeah, and I gotta say, you know, if you think that

[00:09:13] these people are unrealistically stupid, have you been

[00:09:15] on TikTok because there's some people on there?

[00:09:18] You know, I honestly don't spend much time on

[00:09:20] TikTok.

[00:09:21] I love TikTok.

[00:09:22] It's got a lot of funnies.

[00:09:24] There are some people on there who are in a bubble

[00:09:28] I would say.

[00:09:29] And that's and that's just the reality of like the

[00:09:32] whole point of this place is that these are people

[00:09:35] who grew up in bubbles whose parents paid for them

[00:09:37] to remain in a bubble.

[00:09:38] Right.

[00:09:40] No, yeah, sure.

[00:09:41] It's definitely the comparison, the analogy is very

[00:09:48] much visible and present and valid.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:54] And mummy is not having a great time.

[00:09:58] No.

[00:09:58] Mummy is gone.

[00:09:59] No, mummy is gone, but I think that we shall see

[00:10:02] Susan Twist again.

[00:10:04] I think so too.

[00:10:06] Well, Alicia, you've written a did you give your

[00:10:09] hot takes yet?

[00:10:10] I feel like you you did while I was giving mine.

[00:10:13] Yes.

[00:10:14] Well, oh, I thought that I was just weaving it

[00:10:17] in masterfully.

[00:10:17] No, you did.

[00:10:19] You did.

[00:10:20] Okay.

[00:10:22] You know, we I'm looking at the outline.

[00:10:24] I usually write a paragraph.

[00:10:25] You've written several.

[00:10:26] So let's get right into it.

[00:10:28] Well, okay.

[00:10:29] So I basically have to give credit to Wikipedia.

[00:10:33] I copied and I modified because that saved me a

[00:10:37] lot of time this morning.

[00:10:39] Fair enough.

[00:10:40] So so plot synopsis is Lindy Pepper Bean is one

[00:10:43] of the young and wealthy residents of the city

[00:10:45] of fine time shielded from the dangerous Wildwood

[00:10:48] surrounding it the children of the nearby home

[00:10:51] world.

[00:10:51] They are forced to work two whole hours a day

[00:10:53] on data processing before they're allowed to party.

[00:10:56] I know but even then they live through a social

[00:10:59] media interface a literal bubble projected around

[00:11:02] their heads by floating dots robots that also control

[00:11:06] direct their movements.

[00:11:07] Lindy doesn't have the more it doesn't have the

[00:11:10] moral fortitude to care when her friends start

[00:11:13] going missing blocking the doctor when he tries

[00:11:15] to warn her about her own safety, but Ruby manages

[00:11:18] to coax Lindy into dropping her bubble to see

[00:11:20] what's going on and Lindy sees giant slug like

[00:11:23] creatures eating some residents but ignoring her

[00:11:26] and others the doctor and Ruby tell Lindy and

[00:11:28] her friends to evacuate fine time via conduits

[00:11:31] leading to an underground River Lindy meets and

[00:11:34] is helped by her influencer crush Ricky September.

[00:11:37] We find out that unlike the other residents Ricky

[00:11:40] turns on his bubble off regularly so he knows

[00:11:43] how to do things like walk and think the doctor

[00:11:46] realizes the slugs were created and bred within

[00:11:49] fine time by the dots and are now gobbling up

[00:11:52] residents in alphabetical order.

[00:11:54] Ricky is also found out their homeworld has already

[00:11:56] been destroyed by the slugs but doesn't tell Lindy

[00:11:59] when the list gets to pepper bean Lindy now hiding

[00:12:03] with Ricky in a place where the slugs can't reach

[00:12:05] her is instead attacked by her own dots, which

[00:12:07] has gone all red and murdery Ricky tries to help

[00:12:11] but when the dot finally corners Lindy she reveals

[00:12:13] Ricky's true surname is coons thus before hers

[00:12:17] alphabetically and abandons him to be killed by

[00:12:20] the dot Lindy meets with the few remaining survivors

[00:12:23] at the doctor and Ruby rescued earlier and lies

[00:12:26] to them about what happened to Ricky the doctor

[00:12:28] offers to take them in the TARDIS to find a new

[00:12:30] home, but they refuse Lindy pointing to the doctor

[00:12:33] and saying it wasn't right for someone like him

[00:12:35] to socialize with her people.

[00:12:37] He warns the survivors that they will die out

[00:12:39] there as the wild woods are dangerous and begs

[00:12:42] them to let him save them.

[00:12:44] They launch their raft into the river and the

[00:12:46] doctor angrily and tearfully leaves with Ruby.

[00:12:50] The drama of it.

[00:12:51] Yes drama.

[00:12:52] Yeah in shooting is really great at selling the

[00:12:57] drama and you know, we went into this and we

[00:13:01] had the by generation and we were wondering I

[00:13:03] remember you and I had this conversation when

[00:13:06] we were talking about the 60th specials of will

[00:13:10] they leave all the you know, the the tortured

[00:13:14] soul parts of the doctor with David Tennant's

[00:13:17] version and will they have shooty and shooty

[00:13:21] see I'm working on it and shoot to be more happy

[00:13:24] go lucky, you know, the the the happy parts of

[00:13:28] Matt Smith's doctor.

[00:13:29] You don't even mean right and I and I think

[00:13:33] in shooty has surprised me by really showing that

[00:13:37] tortured soul a lot of the time, you know, really

[00:13:39] being great at I think in shooties doctor rather

[00:13:44] than like staring off into the distance remembering

[00:13:46] something terrible that happened will react

[00:13:49] appropriately to the trauma is facing in the moment.

[00:13:52] Mm-hmm true.

[00:13:53] And I think that's the point of the therapy, right?

[00:13:56] Yeah.

[00:13:56] Yeah more present.

[00:13:57] That's a great way to put it.

[00:13:59] Yeah.

[00:14:01] Yeah, I think it's funny that the season has

[00:14:04] gotten darker and the darker it's gotten the

[00:14:06] more people have gotten excited about it, but I

[00:14:08] have to wonder if new people who came with you

[00:14:11] know, the Christmas special about singing goblins

[00:14:13] feel boozled by the frivolousness of those first

[00:14:16] couple episodes.

[00:14:18] Yeah.

[00:14:19] Yeah.

[00:14:19] I don't know.

[00:14:20] I don't know space babies was silly but yeah,

[00:14:22] I thought the devil's cord was actually pretty

[00:14:24] serious.

[00:14:24] I mean he's like hey look at this world that's

[00:14:27] completely destroyed in the future.

[00:14:28] There are stakes right you do here.

[00:14:30] Well, this is yeah.

[00:14:31] This was a kind of a transitional episode.

[00:14:33] There was like half silly half serious.

[00:14:35] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:36] Although I do wish this one had ended with an

[00:14:38] upbeat musical number like the twist but this

[00:14:40] time you just have like a montage of those of

[00:14:43] all the assholes not knowing how to make a fire

[00:14:45] and then going full order the flies and then

[00:14:46] dying in the wild.

[00:14:48] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:49] That would have been a satisfying ending.

[00:14:52] Well, I've been thinking all week about there's

[00:14:54] always a twist at the end.

[00:14:56] Mm-hmm because that line has just been ringing

[00:14:59] in my ears.

[00:15:00] Have you been did you notice anything?

[00:15:02] Have you been watching for it?

[00:15:04] No, I'm just like if there's always a twist

[00:15:07] at the end is that what this finale is going

[00:15:08] to be about we have you know, somebody pointed

[00:15:10] out. We only have two stories left because the

[00:15:13] finale is a two-parter.

[00:15:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:15:16] And so I don't know if next episode is going

[00:15:18] to address Susan twist because now the characters

[00:15:20] are noticing right this person is everywhere.

[00:15:25] And so maybe that's that's like an inside joke

[00:15:28] of there's always a twist at the end and like

[00:15:30] that's how the seasons going to wrap up.

[00:15:32] Oh, that she did the reveals going to be the

[00:15:35] twist at the end.

[00:15:36] Mm-hmm.

[00:15:37] Hmm.

[00:15:37] Yeah, the Susan twist at the end the Susan

[00:15:40] twist at the end.

[00:15:40] Yeah.

[00:15:41] Yeah, no, I I like that the this is a through

[00:15:44] line through there.

[00:15:45] I like that indeed it's building up that every

[00:15:47] new episode we are seeing more and more of her.

[00:15:53] Yeah, so I just have to complain about just

[00:15:57] like a couple little things and then we can

[00:15:59] gush about the episode.

[00:16:00] That's fine.

[00:16:01] I'll defend them.

[00:16:01] Okay.

[00:16:03] So first of all the I thought the alphabetical

[00:16:07] order explanation was really good.

[00:16:09] I thought the alphabetical order explanation

[00:16:11] just like landed with a thunk with me.

[00:16:13] It really did disagree.

[00:16:14] Okay, great.

[00:16:16] And and actually this is not really a complaint.

[00:16:20] I thought that the whole having this code that

[00:16:22] you have to enter every five seconds was contrived

[00:16:26] but I think it was really well done because

[00:16:29] it really amplified the suspense.

[00:16:32] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:34] Yeah, I mean how many times do we get some

[00:16:36] Silly rule that's presented just for an episode

[00:16:39] to create suspense.

[00:16:40] I mean, that's that's doctor who baby, you know,

[00:16:42] yeah, yeah or or babes as I should say babes

[00:16:46] on this podcast babes because of in shooties

[00:16:50] doctor.

[00:16:51] Do you like that?

[00:16:51] Do you like the babes?

[00:16:53] I mean, this is I know it already from other

[00:16:56] people say it's not like it's just certain types

[00:16:59] of English people say it basically.

[00:17:02] Okay.

[00:17:02] Okay.

[00:17:03] See I've not heard this before used like that

[00:17:06] Okay, I at first the first time I use it.

[00:17:08] I was like, I don't know about it, but it's

[00:17:09] growing on me.

[00:17:09] It's growing on me the best warm.

[00:17:12] It's warm.

[00:17:13] Yeah.

[00:17:13] Yeah.

[00:17:14] Yeah.

[00:17:15] I do wish that we found out a little bit more

[00:17:18] about this world because I was like there's a

[00:17:20] night cycle where the Sun clicks off and I guess

[00:17:22] that's not I'm just a world-building junkie and

[00:17:24] I want to see the whole thing.

[00:17:26] That's just really a me thing.

[00:17:29] But did like when Ruby she was like trying to

[00:17:33] talk the lingo because at first I thought that

[00:17:35] that's why they accepted her more and I'm sure

[00:17:37] that's what I was supposed to think that she

[00:17:39] was but then I started to you know that she

[00:17:42] was doing the lingo and reminded me of in only

[00:17:44] murders in the building when Selena Gomez has

[00:17:47] to do the same thing which is talking to someone

[00:17:48] from a younger generation, right?

[00:17:50] And she's like I can't even remember.

[00:17:53] I don't even know what the alpha kids say

[00:17:55] anymore.

[00:17:55] Skippity toilet.

[00:17:57] Yeah, but I thought at first that that's why

[00:18:01] they that Lindy was paying more attention to

[00:18:03] her and so that is I think well done that later

[00:18:07] I thought I was like, well, no, but the doctor's

[00:18:09] cool.

[00:18:09] Like he probably knows even more lingo than she

[00:18:12] does.

[00:18:14] Yeah.

[00:18:15] Yeah, that's true.

[00:18:17] I think what there were two things that I thought

[00:18:21] so that the first thing I thought why they left

[00:18:24] Ruby on was because she immediately said hi,

[00:18:28] I'm from fine time.

[00:18:31] Which is okay.

[00:18:32] I thought I thought the doctor didn't say that

[00:18:34] and and maybe I'm thinking I don't think the

[00:18:36] doctor tried first and she turned him off.

[00:18:38] So he's like, all right, she's going to shut

[00:18:40] you off.

[00:18:40] So why don't you say that you're from the

[00:18:43] company and then she'll keep you on like they

[00:18:45] had a debrief before the you know before the

[00:18:48] second call, but I guess you know by the end

[00:18:51] we know the real reason why she blocked him.

[00:18:54] Yeah, no exactly and I love how she's shocked

[00:18:57] by the fact that he can unblock himself.

[00:19:00] Yeah, but then yeah, that's why I question why

[00:19:04] not like try with others who I don't know.

[00:19:07] Anyway, I am it was a bit on the nose with

[00:19:11] the whole eat the rich thing, but I did like

[00:19:13] there's something in my head for a long time.

[00:19:15] I thought it was going to be revealed that this

[00:19:17] was like a computer or a cell or something.

[00:19:19] So and there was they were computer viruses

[00:19:22] these slugs.

[00:19:24] So maybe that's just that's also my fault that

[00:19:27] I was like looking for some other explanation

[00:19:30] about world building that wasn't there.

[00:19:33] But I I had to laugh, you know, you know,

[00:19:36] the stories about people who follow Google

[00:19:39] Maps like tour tourists in Australia who drove

[00:19:43] into a bay because the map said that's where

[00:19:46] they were going an island was on the other

[00:19:48] side things like that.

[00:19:49] I mean, that's a whole plot line on the office.

[00:19:52] Oh, okay.

[00:19:53] I yeah, I drive his car into a lake.

[00:19:57] And he blames the technology and he they say

[00:20:01] what did you do?

[00:20:01] He goes I drove my car into a fucking lake

[00:20:06] and that's how he's proving that technology

[00:20:08] is bad for business, right?

[00:20:10] Right.

[00:20:11] It's not user error.

[00:20:13] Right, right.

[00:20:14] And I really liked Ricky September because

[00:20:17] at first you're like, oh, yeah, some annoying

[00:20:19] influencer and then by the end, he's actually

[00:20:23] the only real one.

[00:20:24] So that betrayal really hit hard.

[00:20:27] It reminded me of 1984 the George Orwell

[00:20:30] book, which spoiler for you know, a decades

[00:20:33] old book, but it ends with them forcing the

[00:20:38] main character and his love to turn on each

[00:20:42] other because through torture basically,

[00:20:44] and they're like, and he says do it to her

[00:20:47] do it to her this torturing thing with rats

[00:20:49] eating him anyway, a this hit me with that

[00:20:53] same punch, you know where she's idolizing

[00:20:56] him.

[00:20:56] She's finally got like an actual chance

[00:20:58] with her crush until she's afraid for her

[00:21:01] own life and then it's do it to him do

[00:21:02] it to him.

[00:21:03] He's Richard right?

[00:21:04] Yeah, right now.

[00:21:06] Do you think that and I'm not defending

[00:21:08] her because I think she that was a vile

[00:21:10] thing to do but I do you think that if

[00:21:13] she hadn't done that then she would have

[00:21:16] died and then he would have been killed.

[00:21:18] I think I mean he was actually helping

[00:21:23] her so no, I don't think right but he

[00:21:26] we were given visual language that his

[00:21:28] head got wrong and that he was disoriented

[00:21:31] and not able to help her the same way

[00:21:33] right but I mean she could certainly fend

[00:21:36] off the bots for a little bit, you know,

[00:21:38] could she because she's really incompetent.

[00:21:41] She is very incompetent like he has so

[00:21:44] much more coordination than her because

[00:21:45] he doesn't use the dot most okay.

[00:21:47] That's true.

[00:21:48] I mean she saw how he fended it off, but

[00:21:50] she might not have the practice in using

[00:21:52] her arms.

[00:21:53] Yeah, and I've seen a baseball game, but

[00:21:55] I'm not very good at hitting a baseball,

[00:21:56] you know, it's yeah, it's tough.

[00:21:59] I mean she already had the door open all

[00:22:01] she had to do was get on the other side.

[00:22:03] She could have even left him there without

[00:22:06] right turning the bot on him.

[00:22:10] Good question.

[00:22:11] Good question.

[00:22:12] Well, anyway, it was a bad thing.

[00:22:14] She did very bad.

[00:22:15] She's a bad guy.

[00:22:16] I wanted Ricky September to become a

[00:22:18] companion.

[00:22:19] I know.

[00:22:19] So sad that he's gone.

[00:22:22] It was a tragedy.

[00:22:24] He's gonna eenie weenie little.

[00:22:26] What did I say?

[00:22:27] Yellow polka dot bikini.

[00:22:30] So I was thinking at first that this

[00:22:32] Wild Woods thing was again this, you know,

[00:22:35] outer darkness with a barrier of protection

[00:22:38] that was being penetrated by the slugs,

[00:22:40] but then we find out that they were

[00:22:42] manufactured inside the city.

[00:22:43] So that doesn't quite work.

[00:22:47] But it is interesting how they everything

[00:22:49] is up against reminding us about the these

[00:22:51] barriers and the barriers keeping out the

[00:22:53] dangerous things beyond right, right?

[00:22:56] Yeah, and I thought almost when even when

[00:22:58] I heard they were manufactured, I didn't

[00:23:00] think that it was the drones doing it.

[00:23:04] I thought that it was perhaps the outsiders

[00:23:11] trying to get in like the outside human

[00:23:13] population, right?

[00:23:16] Like it wouldn't it be interesting if

[00:23:17] instead of the drones doing it themselves

[00:23:21] if it was people who service the drones

[00:23:24] which presumably would be the servant

[00:23:26] class that they think in shooty is part

[00:23:28] of yeah, I just I really wanted to see

[00:23:31] what was outside the city and I understand

[00:23:33] that's like a whole other can of CGI

[00:23:35] worms or whatever but I just really

[00:23:38] wanted to know I I guess that was my

[00:23:41] issue with the episode at first was I in

[00:23:43] my head thought that it was going to be

[00:23:45] a different type of mystery and then by

[00:23:47] do appreciate I mean not that I appreciate

[00:23:51] the cynicism, but I think that it was

[00:23:52] very well done.

[00:23:54] I think yeah, it obviously gave me a lot

[00:23:56] to think about.

[00:23:58] I appreciate this is the cynicism.

[00:24:00] I'm a big Kurt Vonnegut fan and this

[00:24:01] fell right out of that.

[00:24:04] Yeah, I mean, I thought this was a great

[00:24:06] episode and I thought that it worked in

[00:24:09] all the ways it needed to because it was

[00:24:12] so focused.

[00:24:13] It didn't you know something that I think

[00:24:15] Chibnall did was he would jump all around

[00:24:17] things especially like with the flux be

[00:24:19] like well, this is what the Weeping Angel

[00:24:20] are doing and this is what the dog people

[00:24:21] are doing and this is what this is and it

[00:24:23] just felt really confused and this is like

[00:24:25] no, this is what's happening in this small

[00:24:27] town right artificial town.

[00:24:30] That just stayed in its bubble too long,

[00:24:33] right?

[00:24:35] No, I think yeah, I like when this show

[00:24:38] zooms in and I also think that that was

[00:24:40] the biggest problem with the flux storyline

[00:24:41] for me because I was just like I don't

[00:24:43] what it who the dog people and the Weeping

[00:24:45] Angels.

[00:24:47] Yeah.

[00:24:49] Very weird very very very weird.

[00:24:53] But yeah, I mean, I'm super happy with

[00:24:55] this episode.

[00:24:56] I think perhaps they could come back and

[00:24:58] do a part two and follow what happened

[00:25:00] to the like maybe the doctor's wrong and

[00:25:02] they survive.

[00:25:03] Uh-huh poorly and he comes right and

[00:25:05] helps them and they realize like they're

[00:25:09] they have to accept help from him.

[00:25:10] You know what I mean?

[00:25:11] They're in a position where they need to

[00:25:12] accept help.

[00:25:13] They don't because right now they have

[00:25:16] you know, we're the frontiersman and we're

[00:25:18] going to go out there and tame the wilderness

[00:25:21] and I think the minute they get out there

[00:25:22] try walking.

[00:25:23] It's not like that.

[00:25:24] Yeah,

[00:25:26] or he comes back like and some do survive

[00:25:29] and their kids, you know, he comes back a

[00:25:32] couple generations later and find some

[00:25:34] completely changed.

[00:25:36] Yeah, there's you know, there's a classic

[00:25:37] who story.

[00:25:39] I can't remember if it was the first or

[00:25:41] second doctor because they've been some

[00:25:42] so fast.

[00:25:42] I think it was the second doctor and

[00:25:46] basically they go to a ship.

[00:25:49] That's an arc for humans to reach another

[00:25:52] planet and they accidentally spread like

[00:25:56] a virus that had gone extinct like basically

[00:25:59] a common cold.

[00:26:01] Mm-hmm, and they have to work to cure it.

[00:26:03] They do that and they come back.

[00:26:06] They leave for a minute.

[00:26:07] They come back but they actually come

[00:26:08] back like hundreds of years later.

[00:26:10] Okay to the descendants of them.

[00:26:12] It turns out that the servant species that

[00:26:14] they had for them had revolted and taken

[00:26:17] over.

[00:26:17] Okay, I wonder if they'll do something

[00:26:20] similar here.

[00:26:21] Okay, they touched on storylines like that

[00:26:22] and Rick and Morty to actually oh, yeah,

[00:26:25] which maybe is a nod to classic who?

[00:26:28] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:29] Yeah, that could be that could be so what

[00:26:34] else we got here?

[00:26:35] I mean, there's a lot to talk about.

[00:26:38] I think that this episode was probably

[00:26:41] inspired by our RTD looking online and

[00:26:44] seeing people wearing Apple Vision Pro.

[00:26:49] And just being remember the Google

[00:26:51] glasses.

[00:26:53] I thought that that was a great idea.

[00:26:56] I think it's just that is it's too visible

[00:26:59] to other people, you know what I mean?

[00:27:01] Mm-hmm.

[00:27:02] Yeah.

[00:27:02] Yeah makes you look like a weirdo or

[00:27:04] creep.

[00:27:05] Yeah, it was a little ahead of its time

[00:27:07] and all that.

[00:27:07] I think yeah, I think if you could figure

[00:27:09] out different technology, it would work.

[00:27:11] The Apple Vision Pro looks absurd.

[00:27:13] I'm sorry.

[00:27:14] If you own that if you're listening on

[00:27:15] the right now, it looks absurd.

[00:27:17] I'm sorry.

[00:27:18] And I think that technology like oh,

[00:27:20] look it up.

[00:27:21] Look up somebody look up somebody wearing

[00:27:23] it. It's huge.

[00:27:25] Okay.

[00:27:27] And it's just I mean, it's very dot and

[00:27:31] bubble.

[00:27:32] I think that RTD saw somebody walking

[00:27:33] around like this and was like, yeah, I

[00:27:34] got I got to do this.

[00:27:35] I got to do something on this.

[00:27:39] I mean, okay.

[00:27:41] It yeah, it looks like basically like

[00:27:42] small VR glasses.

[00:27:45] Small is like protrudes.

[00:27:47] I mean compared to actual VR.

[00:27:50] Yeah.

[00:27:50] Yeah.

[00:27:51] Yeah.

[00:27:51] Yeah, it's just funny.

[00:27:53] It's like I was like, I don't know about

[00:27:55] this and it looks like you're but you

[00:27:56] look like Cyclops from X-Men.

[00:27:58] Right?

[00:27:58] Are you a Ready Player One fan?

[00:28:02] I enjoyed that movie.

[00:28:03] I actually when I used to work in like

[00:28:06] audio production, I screened at one time

[00:28:09] on an outdoor showing which was fun.

[00:28:11] Okay.

[00:28:12] Yeah.

[00:28:13] I mean it just that's that I think that

[00:28:15] could be a future like that where the

[00:28:17] interesting thing that the movie does

[00:28:18] differently than the book is the movie

[00:28:20] has in the book you have only the all

[00:28:23] this haptic technology so you can be

[00:28:25] in one place but it's like you're moving

[00:28:27] around and all that stuff and the

[00:28:30] sorry in the book.

[00:28:31] Yeah, I was like that in the movie.

[00:28:32] They had people actually running around

[00:28:34] on the street with glasses like this

[00:28:36] playing shooter games.

[00:28:37] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:38] Yeah, and they have the treadmill so you

[00:28:41] have to run on that's a lot of fun.

[00:28:43] At least you're moving right?

[00:28:44] Yeah, I was gonna say this looks

[00:28:47] uncomfortable, but you know what I wear

[00:28:49] glasses most of the day.

[00:28:50] So you get used to it.

[00:28:53] Yeah, they have I guess they have like

[00:28:54] a weight balancing thing on the back of

[00:28:56] your head.

[00:28:57] Okay, but I don't know it just feels

[00:28:59] like I'm going to have an indent on my

[00:29:00] head for the rest of my life.

[00:29:01] No, yeah.

[00:29:02] Yeah, I think the biggest problem is

[00:29:04] other people think you look stupid.

[00:29:06] Right, right.

[00:29:06] I'm not saying I'll never buy something

[00:29:09] like this years later when the technology

[00:29:12] has shrunk right is not $3,000.

[00:29:17] But yeah, it's right now.

[00:29:19] It's just not for me.

[00:29:20] But you know, I'm sure RTD factored

[00:29:22] in the fact that like these vision

[00:29:24] pros are like $3,000 for the base model

[00:29:29] and so there already is a class barrier

[00:29:31] in our current time of who gets to live

[00:29:33] in the bubble.

[00:29:34] Sure.

[00:29:35] Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:29:36] Exaggerating it.

[00:29:37] And of course if you are of the upper

[00:29:39] class than you are more you have more

[00:29:41] motivation to live in the bubble because

[00:29:43] you're trying to you don't want to say

[00:29:46] like oh there's other people I should

[00:29:48] be helping or other things I should be

[00:29:50] worrying about you just want to enjoy

[00:29:52] your privilege basically in peace.

[00:29:54] Right, right.

[00:29:57] Well, I enjoyed the multi-layered

[00:29:58] approach.

[00:29:58] Also, I got to say these were such early

[00:30:01] Doctor Who villains or new who villains

[00:30:05] because I could have seen the ninth

[00:30:07] doctor fighting these guys.

[00:30:08] I mean, they were absorb a loft type

[00:30:11] beauties.

[00:30:14] It is cool.

[00:30:15] I do recommend to those who can get

[00:30:17] access the the BBC puts out on ITV.

[00:30:21] So it's only available in the UK or if

[00:30:23] you can maneuver your computer to the

[00:30:25] UK.

[00:30:27] It's it's called Doctor Who Unleashed

[00:30:30] and after every episode they do like a

[00:30:33] little half hour behind the scenes and

[00:30:37] it's really cool because they they

[00:30:39] interview all of like the crew

[00:30:42] especially so you see there's actually

[00:30:44] three people who are puppeting the

[00:30:47] practical version of those slugs and

[00:30:49] then of course a VX team doing work on

[00:30:52] top of that.

[00:30:53] That's cool.

[00:30:54] I love practical effect monsters.

[00:30:56] That's that's there's nothing like it.

[00:30:59] Yeah, and there was for the goblin.

[00:31:01] It was the same three people plus two

[00:31:03] more who were doing funny Goblin King.

[00:31:07] That's I love that.

[00:31:08] I love that.

[00:31:08] They have these people who are just

[00:31:09] in costume.

[00:31:12] Yeah, they're all so inside.

[00:31:15] Justice for Osgood and the you know,

[00:31:18] the now I can't remember the name of

[00:31:21] the species Zygon the Zygon right.

[00:31:23] It's good.

[00:31:24] Uh-huh.

[00:31:26] I actually kind of like the Zygon

[00:31:29] episode.

[00:31:30] Oh, I do too.

[00:31:31] I like the Zygons in general.

[00:31:32] Yeah, I think they're a lot of fun and

[00:31:35] I like them in the 50th to do, you

[00:31:38] know, probably the reason that Steven

[00:31:40] Moffat worked them in is because David

[00:31:42] Tennant always said he wanted to go up

[00:31:43] against the Zygons and he never got

[00:31:44] on his original run.

[00:31:46] Oh, I like that because they were

[00:31:48] classic who monster.

[00:31:49] Yeah, that's right.

[00:31:51] This this is a series where I can

[00:31:53] never mind fan service because it is

[00:31:55] just it's all about the feels.

[00:31:57] It's just about like what how do you

[00:31:58] do it?

[00:31:59] And what do you do on top of that?

[00:32:01] Yep.

[00:32:02] Yep.

[00:32:03] All right.

[00:32:04] Shall we go to listener feedback or

[00:32:05] you have any closing thoughts?

[00:32:08] No, just that this I recognize that

[00:32:11] well, this wasn't immediately my

[00:32:13] favorite like 73 yards was that this

[00:32:15] is definitely one of the best because

[00:32:18] it's forcing me to think about it so

[00:32:20] much.

[00:32:20] It's a forcing me to think about

[00:32:22] a various things a lot.

[00:32:23] So well done.

[00:32:25] Yeah, and I really appreciated how

[00:32:28] it felt like the themes were interwoven

[00:32:31] into the story instead of being told

[00:32:32] to me.

[00:32:34] That was great.

[00:32:35] Well, I felt like there's a mix of

[00:32:37] that but yeah, that's where you and

[00:32:38] I differ.

[00:32:39] Fair enough.

[00:32:39] Fair enough.

[00:32:40] Yeah.

[00:32:41] Well, let's get some other voices in

[00:32:42] of course, you can write into Tardis

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[00:32:50] form entry.

[00:32:52] We've got two pieces of feedback

[00:32:53] today one from Arthur who says

[00:32:55] excellent discussion referring to our

[00:32:57] podcast on 73 yards two things as an

[00:33:00] older Watcher.

[00:33:01] I was reminded of the last Tom Baker

[00:33:03] episode where a mysterious figure kept

[00:33:05] shadowing the doctor in the final scene.

[00:33:07] It was revealed to be the doctor himself

[00:33:09] or an energy version thereof to there

[00:33:12] to facilitate regeneration as Tom says

[00:33:15] with his last breath.

[00:33:16] This moment has been prepared for also

[00:33:19] as an older viewer.

[00:33:20] I clear my throat in your general direction

[00:33:23] at the comment older viewers may remember

[00:33:26] a character named River Song River Song

[00:33:28] wasn't long ago.

[00:33:30] I know it's I mean introduced going

[00:33:33] on like 1520 years almost right?

[00:33:36] Yeah, I guess I don't remember which

[00:33:38] of us said that but I think we just

[00:33:39] mean like pre new new who knew who

[00:33:43] instead of new.

[00:33:44] Yeah, right putting aside all jokes

[00:33:47] about on this side of the pond.

[00:33:49] I remember a character named Sarah

[00:33:51] Jane Smith the lowest Lane of Doctor

[00:33:53] Who and by that I mean the 1940s

[00:33:55] Lois who kicked donkey and was a

[00:33:57] partner to Superman not the leader

[00:33:59] Lois who always needed rescuing as

[00:34:02] we say for is the one true doctor

[00:34:03] and Sarah Jane is the companion.

[00:34:07] Yeah, I haven't gotten to four yet.

[00:34:09] I'm really looking forward to it.

[00:34:10] I'm on the third doctor on my

[00:34:11] classic who watch right now.

[00:34:13] Okay, but yeah, I'm really looking

[00:34:15] forward to it because everybody loves

[00:34:17] Tom Baker, right?

[00:34:17] He's he's the one everybody sites

[00:34:19] is like that's my doctor.

[00:34:20] Exactly part of that is that he was

[00:34:22] the doctor for like seven years, right?

[00:34:24] And that's more I think he had the

[00:34:25] longest run correct me if I'm wrong,

[00:34:26] but I think he had the long

[00:34:27] I mean doctor I have seen clips of

[00:34:30] him and I can see why he seems

[00:34:31] quintessential doctor.

[00:34:32] So I'm curious.

[00:34:33] I again have barely watched any of

[00:34:35] this stuff actually.

[00:34:36] No, I've seen more than clips of him.

[00:34:37] I've seen a couple of his episodes,

[00:34:39] but yeah, I'm curious how you will

[00:34:41] compare it with to your new great

[00:34:43] love.

[00:34:44] Oh, I love to I love to and yeah

[00:34:46] three is okay.

[00:34:47] He's pretty good.

[00:34:48] It's a I don't love the framing of

[00:34:50] the whole season the whole idea of

[00:34:52] season three.

[00:34:53] I'm sorry not season three the first

[00:34:55] season of Doctor 3.

[00:34:58] Doctor 3.

[00:34:59] He he's exiled on Earth.

[00:35:01] So his TARDIS doesn't work and I

[00:35:03] just miss the TARDIS, you know,

[00:35:04] I did it just feels it feels more

[00:35:07] like a procedural than it does.

[00:35:08] Doctor who okay, and I don't know

[00:35:11] when he gets his TARDIS back.

[00:35:12] I'm hoping three gets a chance to

[00:35:14] go to the stars.

[00:35:15] Right?

[00:35:15] See, well, it's interesting writing

[00:35:18] in Arthur.

[00:35:19] I wonder if that's because we were

[00:35:21] talking about the whole rights thing

[00:35:23] about how the fact that the writers

[00:35:26] had the rights to the characters

[00:35:28] they created which is great for the

[00:35:29] writers but created complications

[00:35:31] for the show and apparently the

[00:35:34] TARDIS in the early days was also

[00:35:37] iffy.

[00:35:37] So I wonder if that would explain

[00:35:39] why they would write it out for a

[00:35:40] while.

[00:35:41] Well, he has the TARDIS and he goes

[00:35:43] into it from time to time.

[00:35:44] It's just that it can't leave.

[00:35:47] Boo.

[00:35:48] The yeah, I know the Time Lords

[00:35:50] disabled it for a while, right?

[00:35:52] Okay.

[00:35:52] Gotcha.

[00:35:53] So I don't know what it was.

[00:35:54] Maybe the budget got cut, but I

[00:35:55] don't know.

[00:35:55] They still have like, you know

[00:35:57] monsters on Earth.

[00:35:58] It's just that he's only helping

[00:36:00] he's working with unit directly.

[00:36:01] That's the whole premise of the

[00:36:03] season.

[00:36:03] He's working with the Brigadier

[00:36:05] right?

[00:36:05] And you know, it's interesting.

[00:36:07] I learned because they had a whole

[00:36:10] episode called or a story called

[00:36:12] Doctor Who in the Silurians Silurians

[00:36:15] which you know come back and knew

[00:36:17] who under Matt's right, but I didn't

[00:36:19] know this but apparently there's an

[00:36:21] actual scientific hypothesis named

[00:36:23] after the Doctor Who Silurians which

[00:36:27] is it's it's this hypothesis of when

[00:36:31] humans can reach the technology

[00:36:34] required to determine if there was

[00:36:37] a previous technologically advanced

[00:36:38] civilization on Earth.

[00:36:40] Okay.

[00:36:41] Oh cool.

[00:36:42] Yeah.

[00:36:42] I mean, it makes sense this this

[00:36:44] has been around so long so influential

[00:36:46] and pop culture.

[00:36:48] Yeah, it's interesting stuff.

[00:36:50] Yeah, Jordan M writes in salute less

[00:36:55] lore how so man.

[00:36:56] I definitely know her hands.

[00:36:58] Oh boy.

[00:36:59] The French are just hello.

[00:37:01] The French are just gonna be angry

[00:37:04] with me.

[00:37:05] That's fine.

[00:37:06] That's fine.

[00:37:06] We're angry with you too French.

[00:37:08] He's I think he's actually a kid

[00:37:10] back.

[00:37:10] Wow, but okay.

[00:37:13] Okay.

[00:37:13] Okay.

[00:37:14] Man, I don't know where anybody's

[00:37:15] from.

[00:37:16] It's true.

[00:37:17] It's true.

[00:37:17] I've been watching too much Doctor

[00:37:18] Who everyone's from an alien planet.

[00:37:21] With the motivation of listening to

[00:37:22] your coverage.

[00:37:23] I have been trying to catch up on

[00:37:25] new who quick who background grew up

[00:37:29] with my grandmother watching the

[00:37:31] original series on public television.

[00:37:33] So I'm quite the nostalgic Doctor

[00:37:35] Who fan per tree was my doctor.

[00:37:38] That's where I'm at partially because

[00:37:39] of the Brigadier up until tenant stole

[00:37:41] my other heart in true who V and

[00:37:45] bifurcation.

[00:37:46] I'm allowing myself to doctors now.

[00:37:48] Donna is my all-time favorite companion

[00:37:50] and I'm sadly a rose hater.

[00:37:52] Sorry Rose fans.

[00:37:54] What wow.

[00:37:56] I used to love Rose but during my

[00:37:57] rewatch I was astounded by how

[00:37:59] self-centered and awful of a person

[00:38:00] she is.

[00:38:02] I guess I had rosy colored glasses

[00:38:05] at the time but I'm Ching.

[00:38:08] Yeah, I'm just going to comment.

[00:38:10] I too had a little bit of a oh

[00:38:13] she did what it when I rewatched

[00:38:15] new who because I think she's really

[00:38:18] she's really mean to Mickey.

[00:38:20] That's one thing.

[00:38:21] She's really dismissive of her mother

[00:38:22] and all that but she is 19, you know,

[00:38:26] I mean Nikki what Mickey wasn't the

[00:38:27] greatest but then of course now it's

[00:38:29] hard not to think about the actor

[00:38:31] himself getting in trouble.

[00:38:33] I know but I mean, I think if we're

[00:38:36] looking at Rose just based on her

[00:38:37] action and the information we have

[00:38:38] about Mickey like no, I need but cut

[00:38:41] him loose.

[00:38:41] Yeah, I don't mind if you're going

[00:38:42] to cut loose.

[00:38:43] I understand the haters I do but I

[00:38:45] do still will defend the way that

[00:38:47] her story ends.

[00:38:48] I like it.

[00:38:50] Yeah, and I actually have been

[00:38:51] thinking about this.

[00:38:52] So I think about Doctor Who too much

[00:38:54] of you know, romance with the doctor

[00:38:57] is something that never happened in

[00:38:59] the classic series and hasn't happened

[00:39:00] since River in the new series.

[00:39:03] I mean they kind of teased it with

[00:39:04] 13 and yes, but yeah, that's that's

[00:39:09] that's the closest we've gotten right.

[00:39:12] I I was thinking like why Rose right

[00:39:15] this random 19 year old London and

[00:39:18] to me the only justification I could

[00:39:20] think of is she saw into the time

[00:39:22] vortex so she can understand him more

[00:39:24] than any right.

[00:39:26] Okay, but then why River?

[00:39:28] Well, I guess because she's River

[00:39:29] song.

[00:39:30] Yeah, she is part-time Lord, right?

[00:39:34] So we did see in the trailer for next

[00:39:37] week that it looks like there's going

[00:39:40] to be a little flirting between the

[00:39:41] doctor and there's a new character

[00:39:42] play by Jonathan Groff.

[00:39:44] Hmm.

[00:39:46] I like Jonathan Groff a lot.

[00:39:47] I'm glad he's in.

[00:39:48] Yeah.

[00:39:49] I mean, I think I'm getting very

[00:39:51] Jack Harkness vibes from his character.

[00:39:53] So I am hoping that I'm right on that

[00:39:55] actually bring back Jack.

[00:39:57] That's what I want.

[00:39:58] Mm-hmm.

[00:39:59] I love I love the scene when I was

[00:40:01] rewatching.

[00:40:02] I love the scene where Jack goes up

[00:40:03] to 10 and he says I'm still aging

[00:40:06] even if I am immortal, you know, what

[00:40:09] do I do?

[00:40:10] He goes, I don't know take it up with

[00:40:11] Rose, you know, like I can do that.

[00:40:14] You can't I get to help you with that

[00:40:15] buddy.

[00:40:16] Yeah, the face of bow.

[00:40:19] Yep.

[00:40:19] Yep.

[00:40:20] They used to call me the face of bow.

[00:40:22] It was a little on the nose, but

[00:40:23] that's yeah.

[00:40:24] No, but I was a big reveal at the

[00:40:25] time.

[00:40:26] I know.

[00:40:26] I know.

[00:40:27] Yeah.

[00:40:28] All right, Jordan continues.

[00:40:31] Okay on to the present loving and

[00:40:33] shooties doctor, but finding myself

[00:40:35] so so with the episode so far.

[00:40:38] I'm not enjoying the addition of magic

[00:40:40] as an actual supernatural force and

[00:40:42] not just the tech not just technological

[00:40:45] ignorance.

[00:40:46] Perhaps I'm also readjusting to the

[00:40:48] Davies style but finding myself appreciating

[00:40:51] the episodes more after your pods not

[00:40:54] shocking that then during I don't mean

[00:40:58] to be negative as it's definitely quality

[00:41:00] TV, but Jenna Sippa see that I redeem

[00:41:04] myself a little bit.

[00:41:04] Yeah, that's much better.

[00:41:06] All right, just finding myself often bored.

[00:41:10] Loved boom found space babies cute.

[00:41:12] But what the fuck was that adored

[00:41:15] Jinx monsoon and the devil's chord,

[00:41:18] but man did I not enjoy 73 yards.

[00:41:21] I enjoyed the concept but it felt

[00:41:22] very drawn out.

[00:41:24] Perhaps it was the tone created by

[00:41:26] the most unwelcoming bar in the aisles

[00:41:28] though agreed John the wordsmith at

[00:41:30] the bar was sublime, but I just felt

[00:41:33] frustrated with the episode and not

[00:41:35] satisfied with the ending as Alicia

[00:41:37] alluded to I think for me it was just

[00:41:39] a bit too early to have a sans-doctor

[00:41:41] episode but oh well win some and lose

[00:41:43] some what do you think is 73 yards?

[00:41:48] I know that wasn't your favorite

[00:41:49] episode either.

[00:41:51] What no, that was my favorite episode.

[00:41:52] Oh, I thought it wasn't no, it's

[00:41:54] my it's my number one.

[00:41:55] I'm insane.

[00:41:56] I'm just going crazy.

[00:41:58] I thought boom was your number one

[00:42:00] booms my number two now.

[00:42:01] All right fair.

[00:42:01] It wasn't boom is my number one when

[00:42:03] I watched it and then I saw 73 yards

[00:42:05] and now booms my number two and I'll

[00:42:06] give it out in bubble number three

[00:42:08] and then maestro which I keep forgetting

[00:42:11] the name of the episode.

[00:42:13] That was called jinx monsoon.

[00:42:14] Yeah, the devil's court.

[00:42:15] The court I think I would go this

[00:42:18] episode dot and bubble.

[00:42:19] I would go 73 yards and then the

[00:42:21] devil's cord then boom.

[00:42:22] So I think I'm just I'm just flipping

[00:42:25] two of yours.

[00:42:26] Okay, and then I would have the

[00:42:29] Christmas special and then I would

[00:42:30] have space babies last.

[00:42:32] Yeah space babies was the week episode.

[00:42:34] I still am baffled by the decision to

[00:42:35] do that first.

[00:42:36] Yeah.

[00:42:37] I mean it was very I guess they had

[00:42:39] to because it was very exposition

[00:42:41] heavy, but right they did film this

[00:42:46] one before the other ones before the

[00:42:48] Christmas special even they filmed

[00:42:51] because these were the ones when

[00:42:53] shooty was still working on the other

[00:42:55] show.

[00:42:55] So right right.

[00:42:57] They did.

[00:42:57] They got their light ones first.

[00:42:59] Yeah, I heard that the scene where

[00:43:01] he's begging them to let him save

[00:43:03] them was the first thing he shot us

[00:43:04] a doctor.

[00:43:05] Yeah, yeah intense.

[00:43:07] Yep.

[00:43:08] He he brought it day one.

[00:43:10] Yeah.

[00:43:11] All right, Jordan finishes up says

[00:43:13] oh no there I go again with one of

[00:43:15] my compliments.

[00:43:17] Yeah.

[00:43:18] Haha, but sounds like the show is

[00:43:21] bringing a new fan.

[00:43:22] So that's already a huge success in

[00:43:24] my time in when me book.

[00:43:25] Oh and John tisk tisk tisk that you

[00:43:27] forgot about the Anglican Marines.

[00:43:29] Hello, my boys the thin fat gay

[00:43:31] married Anglican Marines.

[00:43:32] Haha.

[00:43:34] What is this a reference to something

[00:43:36] is this a reference to something that

[00:43:37] happened?

[00:43:39] Yeah, it was something that RTD did

[00:43:41] but I to be honest, I like don't

[00:43:44] have them burned into my memory either.

[00:43:46] Just I just know that they exist,

[00:43:48] but I don't remember much about them.

[00:43:52] Okay, as always Alicia hit me with

[00:43:54] this one and grow messy.

[00:43:57] There we go for all your amazing

[00:43:58] coverage and looking forward to

[00:44:00] discovering more alongside you.

[00:44:02] Thanks, Alicia John and Co.

[00:44:05] David watch who you even miss an

[00:44:07] opportunity to add to John's old

[00:44:09] man movie list.

[00:44:12] I told David to watch this episode.

[00:44:13] I think it's right up his alley.

[00:44:15] Yeah.

[00:44:16] Yeah.

[00:44:16] No, I think I think with Doctor Who

[00:44:19] there is of course a stuff going

[00:44:20] through although we didn't really

[00:44:22] have much talk about or although I

[00:44:24] guess they're all orphans in the

[00:44:25] end, but we didn't have much through

[00:44:27] line in this episode per se but in

[00:44:30] general, they're mostly standalone

[00:44:31] anyway with the little bits of snow

[00:44:34] and Susan right side, right?

[00:44:37] Yeah.

[00:44:37] I am I do think that there is sort

[00:44:39] of a I think the tumbler vacation

[00:44:43] of who in the 2010s made it a little

[00:44:47] stigmatized at sometimes to be a

[00:44:49] whovian.

[00:44:51] Okay, and what you say I said, okay.

[00:44:54] I just think that people saw it as

[00:44:56] this like camp, you know niche

[00:45:00] fandom and like you were either in

[00:45:02] it or you were out of it and people

[00:45:05] are I think people were less willing

[00:45:06] to give it a shot than some other

[00:45:08] fandoms because of that right?

[00:45:10] I am hoping that new new who with

[00:45:13] its Disney plusification right will

[00:45:16] bring in more people who were

[00:45:17] skeptical of it because it's a really

[00:45:19] great show.

[00:45:20] It's especially now.

[00:45:21] I think it's really firing on all

[00:45:23] cylinders and I hope people will

[00:45:24] give it a shot.

[00:45:25] So tell all your friends to watch

[00:45:26] it.

[00:45:26] Yeah.

[00:45:27] Well, I mean, I think it's also like

[00:45:28] my sister said, you know that it's

[00:45:30] for a lot of people, especially

[00:45:31] completionists, which you and I both

[00:45:33] are when you look at something like

[00:45:35] this.

[00:45:36] And even if you ignore, you know, the

[00:45:38] fact that 65 years or whatever of it

[00:45:42] if you yeah, if you just look at the

[00:45:46] new who starting in 2005, that's

[00:45:49] already what 13 seasons of stuff.

[00:45:53] So it's people don't know where to

[00:45:55] begin.

[00:45:55] And now with the new Disneyfication

[00:45:57] they're saying, okay, here's where

[00:45:58] you begin here now, right?

[00:46:00] You got five episodes and people are

[00:46:02] never happy like because now the

[00:46:04] classic who people are like, well,

[00:46:05] Disney is ruining it.

[00:46:06] It's like BBC is making it Disney

[00:46:08] just publishes it right and gives it

[00:46:10] more money.

[00:46:11] Yeah.

[00:46:12] Anyway, enjoy your high budgets

[00:46:14] people stop complaining.

[00:46:16] Exactly.

[00:46:17] That still make it campy as we see

[00:46:20] right?

[00:46:20] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:20] I mean this if you don't watch this

[00:46:22] episode and go this could have been a

[00:46:24] 2005 episode right then.

[00:46:26] I don't know what you're doing.

[00:46:29] Like the monsters especially.

[00:46:30] I mean, right.

[00:46:33] All right, let's do our outro Alicia

[00:46:35] tell me what you're up to on your

[00:46:37] feeds.

[00:46:38] Yeah, so on will shift dust.

[00:46:41] We just published the finale for

[00:46:44] vegan 23 season 2 and then there's

[00:46:46] going to be some follow-up interviews

[00:46:47] with a showrunner Glamazar at least

[00:46:50] and we'll see who else and on the

[00:46:53] book club.

[00:46:53] We are doing the breakdown of the

[00:46:56] second book in the silo series shift

[00:46:58] in three parts.

[00:46:59] So that's the will shift us book

[00:47:01] club on patreon and then on yeah,

[00:47:04] well you and I are about to gear up

[00:47:06] to take over my feed on the Star

[00:47:09] Wars Canon timeline podcast.

[00:47:11] We really I'm on that not yet.

[00:47:14] I'm just kidding.

[00:47:17] But yeah, so we wrapped up our

[00:47:19] whirlwind tour of the first 25,000

[00:47:21] years of Star Wars history and

[00:47:23] there's an acolyte prep episode.

[00:47:25] If you haven't checked it out yet.

[00:47:26] It'll tell you what you need to

[00:47:28] know going into the new series the

[00:47:29] acolyte which launches tonight as

[00:47:31] we record and then you and I are

[00:47:33] going to I guess we have to talk

[00:47:35] exact scheduling but I'm guessing

[00:47:37] episodes will come out in the public

[00:47:38] feed Friday where they have the

[00:47:40] light it makes sense.

[00:47:43] Yeah, and then I just pushed out

[00:47:46] the new Kingdom of the planet of

[00:47:48] the Apes episode 2 on the lore

[00:47:50] hounds feed.

[00:47:52] Very exciting very exciting

[00:47:54] radioactive ramblings is doing their

[00:47:56] Fallout lore episodes.

[00:47:58] They are also going to be covering

[00:48:00] the boys in full when that comes out.

[00:48:02] So that's really exciting.

[00:48:03] Keep an eye out for that properly

[00:48:05] Howard movie review is doing its

[00:48:08] Philadelphia and Fugazi series.

[00:48:10] Just check their show notes to see

[00:48:12] what they're doing next because I

[00:48:13] always mess up what they're doing

[00:48:14] next these days.

[00:48:15] So they keep adding movies and I

[00:48:17] can't keep track of it which is

[00:48:19] great.

[00:48:19] I mean, I'm loving their coverage.

[00:48:21] It's really funny and rings and

[00:48:23] rituals is up to episode 6 of rings

[00:48:25] of power season 1.

[00:48:26] They're going to do episode 7 next

[00:48:29] and they are really doing these

[00:48:30] deep discussions.

[00:48:31] I'm enjoying them talking about

[00:48:33] elf battle songs and things like

[00:48:34] that.

[00:48:35] Go check it out.

[00:48:36] It's a really unique take on

[00:48:37] season 1 and it's a rewatch so

[00:48:39] you can get prepped for season 2.

[00:48:43] What else we got?

[00:48:44] I think that's it for our affiliates

[00:48:46] but you can find all that in our

[00:48:49] weekly schedule, which I forgot to

[00:48:51] post this week.

[00:48:53] You can also get stuff on our

[00:48:55] feed.

[00:48:55] We are doing the acolyte as you

[00:48:56] mentioned Alicia that'll be on

[00:48:58] the Star Wars canon time on feed

[00:48:59] but also our main feed and the

[00:49:01] Star Wars feed and we're doing

[00:49:03] house of the dragons season 1

[00:49:04] rewatch ahead of house of the

[00:49:06] dragon season 2 which will be

[00:49:07] doing full coverage for and then

[00:49:10] of course finishing up Doctor

[00:49:11] who this season.

[00:49:12] We've only got three episodes

[00:49:13] left and I'm sad but I'm also

[00:49:15] relieved because I have too many

[00:49:17] shows I committed to.

[00:49:20] I'm excited for season 2 already.

[00:49:23] Me too.

[00:49:23] Me too and it sounds like RTD is

[00:49:26] gearing up for a yearly an annual

[00:49:27] release, which is really good.

[00:49:30] Yes.

[00:49:31] Yeah.

[00:49:32] I mean they're definitely working

[00:49:33] ahead now.

[00:49:33] They seem to be at least we know

[00:49:37] that season 2 is well underway

[00:49:39] with filming and everything so

[00:49:40] right and be that long but

[00:49:42] although it took forever for this

[00:49:43] one, but hopefully without all of

[00:49:46] the shenanigans.

[00:49:48] Well, there's probably going to

[00:49:49] be more shenanigans.

[00:49:50] The entertainment industry is not

[00:49:51] fixed yet.

[00:49:53] Right another quick projects

[00:49:55] Furiosa.

[00:49:56] Yeah, just it should be public

[00:49:59] tomorrow.

[00:50:00] Well, I don't know when things

[00:50:02] are coming out anymore.

[00:50:03] We have too many podcasts.

[00:50:04] We have to like double up on

[00:50:05] things but yeah, yeah, so that's

[00:50:07] coming out.

[00:50:08] I already recorded June Silmarillion

[00:50:10] story that'll be out sometime

[00:50:11] this month a lot of good stuff

[00:50:13] coming.

[00:50:15] Alicia who do we need to thank

[00:50:18] well first we need to thank our

[00:50:19] discord server boosters who make

[00:50:22] all of our discording goes more

[00:50:24] smoothly and that also helps with

[00:50:26] some technical things.

[00:50:27] So thank you very much to

[00:50:28] Gnarls, Erin Kay, Tiller the

[00:50:30] Thriller, Dork of the Ninjas,

[00:50:32] Doob71, Captain Jinji56 and

[00:50:35] Athena Angelea and also especially

[00:50:39] thank you to our Lore Masters

[00:50:40] our top tier subscribers who make

[00:50:43] all of this possible and that

[00:50:44] would be Samartian, Michael G,

[00:50:46] Michelle E, David W, Brian P,

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[00:50:52] Adam S, Nancy M, Doob71, Brian

[00:50:55] 8063, Frederick H, Sarah L, Gareth C,

[00:51:00] Eric F, Matthew M, Sarah M, DJ

[00:51:03] Miwa, Andra B, Kwong Miu, Jedi

[00:51:05] Jedi Bob, Nathan T, Alex V, Aaron

[00:51:09] T, Sub Zero, Erin K, Dally V,

[00:51:12] Mothership, Gnarls and Adrien.

[00:51:17] I love the Gnarls.

[00:51:19] I love the Gnarls.

[00:51:21] All right, Alicia.

[00:51:23] It's been fun.

[00:51:23] We got plenty of second breakfast

[00:51:25] stuff coming this month too at

[00:51:26] 11Z so plenty of premium content

[00:51:28] coming.

[00:51:29] I will see you for the acolyte.

[00:51:32] Yes.

[00:51:33] See you in a yeah just a couple

[00:51:35] days.

[00:51:35] All right.

[00:51:37] All right.

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