House of the Dragon - S02 Lorecast - Full Book Spoilers

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the final episode of The House of the Hounds for season 2 of Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We're having a great time here but we wanted to talk book spoilers. So with me today is returning co-host Alicia.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, glad to be here with the tape taken off my mouth. I can say whatever I want now, right?

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: David is gone so he can remain unsullied.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully no listeners are here who do not want to be spoiled for the entire series because I'm going to say thanks.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so before I give a big spoiler warning, I just want to say thank you everyone for writing in this season.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You can still write in even if we're not going to have a podcast on it at HOTDattheLorehounds.com.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You can join us for Rings of Power season 2. We have another season pass for that if you're interested.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And another show guide called The One Guide to Rule Them All.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Similar but actually more features than the House of the Dragon one because I'm experimenting more with notion.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I hope you'll join us for more stuff that we cover.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But we are going to talk full book spoilers today.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But before that, Alicia, you want to give your hot takes on the season?

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I guess I feel similarly to most.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, yeah, I think it was an anticlimactic ending.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind that as much as other people.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I do not hate season eight of Game of Thrones as much as you do.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't bothered by the title.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you do.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's true. You have a special burning hatred for the season of television.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that didn't bother me as much.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, I've been guilty this whole show like I said previously of writing it in my head.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I've tried to keep that in mind.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And that being said, I really loved episode four and episode seven.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Those were definitely my two favorites of the season.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There were some other great like book moments they brought to life,

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: like the twin fight I think was, I mean, of course, you know,

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the books written as a historical document.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not really except when Mushroom's talking, there's not a much emotion in it.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was, yeah, seeing that twin bowl, I guess we're calling it play out in real life

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: was a really cool moment.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And just I'm glad that they gave,

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Renice was my favorite character on the show.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't really care much about her in the books, but on my shows,

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: she's on the show. She's definitely my favorite.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So seeing her get a good death, you know, that meant a lot to me.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So there were some,

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can hope for this universe, right? Is a good death.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: She went out unsullied and like the rest of it.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Yeah.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. No sausages popping for her.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh Lord, speaking of the unsullied now, at least.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yikes.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Any other thoughts on the season before we head into book spoilers?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, just I, you know, as people who, even people who haven't read the books

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: by now realize they, there's an event that we all expected to be

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the season finale of season two.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems that's going to open season three instead.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a huge opening for season three.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just hope that they do the rest of this story justice.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe they're saving money for future seasons.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's one reason why they made the decisions they did.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Zaslaw is going to need to open the wallet.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise we're not going to be able to do the rest of the things we need to do.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. There's a lot of dragon fights.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yo, that's not a spoiler.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. That's, it's called the dance of dragons.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Like that is where we're at.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Well, I, this is where I wish I had pre-recorded something like,

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: you know how the midnight boys do their shout out.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So here's my not shoddy one.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a book spoiler podcast.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You will be spoiled on book spoilers.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The full pot of the show.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: If you do not leave now, please, please use your car radio.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Hit the button.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't want to be spoiled and now that we're all here,

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: let's talk book spoilers.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: All right. Well, I think the first one is that we have to talk about is one that

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I think even a lot of non-readers are have gotten onto.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if it's a spoiler at this point anymore, but in the books,

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a character named Nettles and that characters does not seem to have

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: made it into the television show, which some, you know, a lot of book readers

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: are upset with because she's a fan favorite.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be honest.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not nearly as upset about this as I was about like Lady Stoneheart and

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Ariana getting cut from Game of Thrones.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But it looks like her story is being given to Raina.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about that?

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're, we're, that's standard fare for TV adaptation, right?

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Is let's combine some character arcs when nothing's really going on with one

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and Raina doesn't really do a lot in the books.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's fine.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And we know she survives to the end.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it would be nice for us to have more of a journey with her.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in that case, I'm on board with it, you know, like let's,

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I, her and Bayla and their mother, my, my biggest beef with season one was

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I really expected them to do more with Lena's story.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was where I like was guilty of writing it in my head.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I, so I want to see their stories fleshed out.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think one thing that's whole, you know, making some people a little

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: disgruntled is the fact that like George R. R. Martin basically wrote one black

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: character and that was Nettles.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, because the Valyrians in the show are, are black.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That means that Raina is as well.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't understand why some people feel like, well, that's not the same.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: This was like the one character.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: She's got, Nettles has more of a personality than we've seen thus far

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: from Raina.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hoping once she gets a dragon, there's going to be a little more sass in there.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So far, I mean, I didn't enjoy the 5k.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't know why, I don't know why they haven't done that much with

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: her other than make her bitter.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it does make sense though in the sense that in the book, some people

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: accuse Damon of like, of her being Damon's lover and others said that he

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: treated her like a daughter.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles to be clear.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles, yes.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They still don't do parent child incest, just all the other kinds of incest.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, we don't do that one.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder if like, so this, you know, obviously she's left the group.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I am like disgruntled with the way she just, she just peeled off from

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: She noped out.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She has noped out, didn't say anything and then we get no reaction to that.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So but maybe, you know, Renea and Nettles did not have a great

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: relationship in the books.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's because, you know, she's like, you just noped out of my

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: kids.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that means that her rena's dragon in the book is a hatchling named

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: mourning, but they never say, I went on the like a deep dive trying to

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: figure this out because I don't think they ever say how mourning died.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they're just cutting mourning out.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe it's just let's tighten it up a little bit.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But I have a question if she is, you know, she's taking the place of

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles, it's kind of implied that she ends up with Sheep

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Stealer in the mountains at this like burning cult, you know.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm hmm.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But rena in the book, she, you know, ends with her sister.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: She gets married twice, has a bunch of kids, six kids, I think.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Which way will they go with her story?

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Good question.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see them going either way because we will have a POV at

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: court already with Baila.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was kind of like about them being twins together and we

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: haven't really gotten much time for that.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we just won't in this first.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Baila is over here just like giving everyone wisdom and rena is

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: just going off and whining, just like Jayz's.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Baila really has been the adult in the room for like a lot of

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: these scenes.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's true.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they'll get her and Alan together after, sorry,

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: we said big spoilers are coming.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Jayz is dying at the start of next season.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good question.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see it.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: What is that?

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Her uncle?

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Her half-uncle?

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whatever, you know.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We're past that.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I said at the beginning of the season like,

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to say it incest more than once because

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that's just what the show is.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: We get the, yeah.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I was, where was it?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was reading up on some Stark backstory and

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: there's quite a bit of it there too.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of the Starks, that was my biggest beef with this

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: season is that I just wanted, I wanted Jayz to like have his

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: time hanging out with Kreegan up north.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like some clarification of what happened with his

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_00]: sister or didn't.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause that was the whole thing, right?

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Jayz was supposed to like fall in love with someone in the

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: north and then he comes back to Bela.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess they just didn't want to complicate that.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess so.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, they could have, like that's, that was just

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: one person's account.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So it could have very well been inaccurate and it

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: could have been something much more innocuous than

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: they could have.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted some time at Winterfell and I wanted to

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: see some time for them together.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I hear, we're going to, apparently he's going to

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: go up more with his graybeards who in the books are

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: called Winter Wolves, which is much more.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like that.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's much better, right?

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe they just wanted it to sound like more

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: pathetic in the show.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, I wouldn't want to go up against

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: a stark graybeard.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I wouldn't want to go up against a stark

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: graybeard, but a winter wolf is even more badass.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It was to say about the dragons.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So okay, so we've seen Sheepstealer and Sheepstealer

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: has been relocated to the Vale.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I know Girm is not a fan of this, but I think it

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: makes sense why wouldn't Sheepstealer be in the Vale

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: instead?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: He says the dragons don't range, but Sheepstealer

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: isn't showing any sign of ranging just living

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Vale, which makes sense for the end of

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: their story.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think cannibal exists?

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we haven't gotten a mention, have we?

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: No, and I don't think it exists.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just would serve to, like we've, I feel

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like we've maxed out the dragon excitement now.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but cannibal is so badass.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but cannibal is so badass, but you would

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: think yeah, they would at least mention.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And also we saw, what's his name?

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The big boy.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think right now.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Which big boy?

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, Vermithor.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't, my brain's not working this morning.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: We saw Vermithor chomping down on people, so I

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: guess we don't really need a cannibal, we already

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: got one.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but not chomping down on other dragons.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Sunfire is dead or do you think

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Aegon's just mistaken and he needed to think

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that so that he noped out of King's Landing?

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Sunfire is dead.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think, because I think if they don't do

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: something, like I don't need Renea to be

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: eaten, but I think they have to at least nod

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: to it.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they literally say in Game of Thrones

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: they tell that story about her getting

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: eaten, so I think they do have to do it.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but again, whose account is that?

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That could still be from a written history.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, true, true, true.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they need to do it.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But also what is Bela up to if she

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't get that moment where her dragon

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: fights Sunfire and she comes out on top

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and gets the burns?

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But again, I think they could play with

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it a little bit where we get to similar

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: outcomes with a different story.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look at Blood and Cheese, look at

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: the way they did Lenore.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't be shocked if Sunfire remained

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: dead in some way.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, would you...

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you think they're going to bring

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Daren and Tessarion into the story?

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we already saw them, right?

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They're on Dragonback right now

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: on their way with the High Towers.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so with Ormund I guess

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: which is Otto's cousin?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Otto's cousin.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So Daren's cousin once removed, cousin uncle.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Father of all.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: As I say about my own cousin uncle.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is not an incest thing, it's just

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, cousin's once removed is like an uncle.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why...

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think has Otto locked up though?

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Beesbury folks.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's somebody allied with the Beesberries.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that Laris probably made him get caught.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That would be my guess.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Laris was sent to go get him.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And then that never came up again.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And if Laris is a great master of whispers

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he would be able to do something like that.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't...

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of in like a sky cell, wasn't he?

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Which made me think of the veil.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Was he?

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean just in the fact that

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't they zoom out and now...

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe I should have re-watched that scene before.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But didn't they zoom out and he was like...

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean not that the veil is the only place that has

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: you know high places but...

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It just made me wonder that.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't look sky-celly to me

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and also why would he be over there?

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with you on that.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Unless he was going to see the triarchy for some reason?

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's going for the triarchy at all.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he spent 20 years fighting the triarchy.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but he was the one who suggested that they

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: ask them for help with the blockade.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, alright.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I see what you're saying.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But he did say I want to go to Old Town.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did say that.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Allison said no, go to Highgarden.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And neither of them are in the veil direction.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: This is an addition.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe just because he didn't have much to do

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: in book terms until...

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a problem that I think is recurring is

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: they have characters who don't do a lot in the book

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're trying to keep them around.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what happened with Damon this season.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I wish they would have just done something like

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: they did with Otto where he's just gone for a few episodes.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, well yeah, they weren't going to let Matt Smith go.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But you can do so many things with them.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that could have been, you know,

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I talk about the daughter's feeling underdeveloped.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That could have been prime daddy daughter bonding time.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, wow.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Could have been.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Spent more time with Jason Lannister.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, we need the haunting of Heron Hall.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to see the battle of the red fork

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: is where Jason Lannister dies.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have a feeling...

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just counting up the number of battles left

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: in the two seasons we have left.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, they can't do all these. There's no way.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to get like...

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we got with the battle of the burning mill

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: just so it won't be an aftermath.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that'll make the alliance free.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't need to see a ton of battles.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, first of all, I want the dragon battles.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I really want.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the two that they really need to need to do

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: are the battle of the gullet and the god's eye.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the ones where if they fast forward through those

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: then people will be furious and rightfully so.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Helena already told us that the...

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they'll combine the two tumultins

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: into like one thing.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, otherwise it gets a little confusing.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Or set it all up in advance instead of doing that

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: in between stuff.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's right.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think...

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, Helena told us

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that the god's eye is happening.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like...

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I thought you meant the accurate...

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, Helena.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is happening.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what I mean is yes, it's going to happen.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't believe that she just was like,

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, okay, here we go.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And people seem to have gotten it even not in book people

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: because David said to me on the podcast,

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like, oh, so that's the lake right by Heron Hall, right?

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, yes, that's all I could say.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think yeah, we definitely...

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: We have to open the season now with the battle of the gullet

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and this matches with what we've heard from the production

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: is that they moved to that from the end of this season

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: to the start of next season.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So hey, it's going to be a strong season opening.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people are going to be mad about Jace.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they should have just ended with that on anyway.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He's become a fan favorite.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: His mewing really paid off.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Stop with the mewing.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's normal.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a mewer.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of us just have jawlines.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to tell you.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Baila and everything is like, break your fucking mewing streak, Jace.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Come on.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But then you're saying this to me.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You're personally insulting me every time you bring this up.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's supposed to be good for your jaw.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the whole thing with the mewing.

[00:18:43] Yeah.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but it's not why I do it or I don't even know

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: if they do it.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just naturally the way that a lot of people...

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I did a poll on Twitter.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very official, you know?

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Just asking how many people do it by accident

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and like 40% of people said they do it by accident

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and something like 25% said they didn't even know what that word meant.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope you don't think I'm insulting you.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's apparently very good for your jaw.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: There's just like a whole joke thread on Twitter of like,

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: will you break your mewing streak already?

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: No, because that's how my...

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually tried it once I learned about this

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and so I tried like holding my tongue down at the bottom

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's uncomfortable and I don't know why people do that.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw this teacher on TikTok saying

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that now she says to her students,

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: quit yapping, start mewing.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, there you go.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But Jace, he will not be stopped.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He just has a strong jawline.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not even...

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the mew.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got the blue steel.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Although I think the way Aiman purses his lips,

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: sometimes I think gets even more cartoonish.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost a little absurd the way he's like,

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: hmm, sour face.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He's really become quite the cartoonish villain this season

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: which I find a shame.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's poor writing.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they started him off so strong with...

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And in terms of poor writing,

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to again emphasize that they filmed during the writer strike.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So the writers couldn't be involved the way that they were normally involved.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's something I'm nervous about for Rings of Power.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: They did shoot most of it before the writer strike.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But they did, I want to say like five days of shooting after.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They did all their reshoots I think after.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully like that, since they were reshoots,

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: hopefully the writers were at least involved with,

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, that's like another layer rather than just having...

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I've looked at when I read shooting scripts

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: for various things for work or something.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you compare it to the actual movie that comes out.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There are so many changes.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's inevitable because sometimes like something

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: physically goes wrong or something's just not working

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and you just have to be able to change on the spot.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know the story of the Emperor's new groove?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I know the movie, but no, I don't know any particular story about that.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess they changed it so much over time

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: that it was unrecognizable from any kind of script that ever existed.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And so after the movie was a hit,

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: which they thought it was going to bomb because they were just going

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: by the seat of their pants,

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: after the movie was a hit Disney came to them and said,

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: hey, we want to put this in one of our exhibits.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you give us the script?

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And they said what script?

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So they actually made someone transcribe the whole movie.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is so funny to me.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were like, what script?

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's crazy how much things change.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think people don't really realize that.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that's why I was mad.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just talking with Sadie about this on the Discord

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and she agrees with me.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But just how annoying it was that people from the production

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: kept saying like, oh, don't worry that we're filming

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: during the writer strike because the writing's already done.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, ah, it's not done.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's never done.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think the writer strike is going to have a lasting

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: impact on this industry, unfortunately.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Some good ways, some bad ways.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I am glad that it at least draws attention

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: to certain concerns that like studio heads were just trying

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: to like sneak in under people's view, you know?

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it needed to happen.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not blaming the writers.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think the studio response is kind of unfortunate so far.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Might be more strikes coming this year from like VFX artists

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and animators and some.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, VFX.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So overworked.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And their contracts up.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, something I think is probably similar in VFX

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that I always hear in video games is that video games

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: pay very little compared to other tech jobs.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And so a lot of people are just like, why, if there's going

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to be so many layoffs, why would I work in video games?

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I could make triple my salary coding for Google, you know?

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Video game voice artists are currently on strike.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't blame them.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't blame them.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially that's become like a whole other thing with

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: like motion capture and all that.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that has become more like full body acting.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to hear about House of Dragon?

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to hear my predictions for what we're getting

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: the next two seasons roughly?

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So I predict we open season three with the Battle of the

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Gullet, of course.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm wondering if they're going to swap the order

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: of the God's Eye fight and Rhaenira taking King's

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Landing because I'm wondering if like they'll have the God's

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Eye fight mid season or at least an episode or a couple

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: episodes before King's Landing so that we have, you know,

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Amon's we know definitely dies.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Daemon disappears.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if maybe he'll go to the Green Men or

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_00]: something based on what we saw this season.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Rhaenira though as far as she knows he's

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: dead.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So her taking King's Landing is like a win to end

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: the season.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you think so?

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we were told three days come to King's Landing

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in three days.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You think the whole season is going to last that long?

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So you think they will do King's Landing first and

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: end with the God's Eye?

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so partially because they want Matt Smith

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: for a whole season.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Good point.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Good point.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Then they only have to do one season without him.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Plus you have to have the whole thing of like

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Helena being captive and dying.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they could end with the God's Eye and

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: then politically in King's Landing, Helena has

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: died and Rhaenira is now like hated.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Or perhaps a game changer would be Helena dies

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and then they're like oh my god how are people

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: going to react to this?

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a good game changer ending.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that would be a satisfying

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: end to the season for me but.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: With the God's Eye?

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You already mean both?

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: With the God's Eye with the God's Eye.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's plenty ending.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and Aamond needs some time to get to know Alice,

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: right?

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So do you think he'll swap places with Damon

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and do I guess if they had this plan they're

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: going to change it but I was wondering if

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: they're going to have him do the whole

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: visions thing in Heron Hall.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We got a new initiate.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Give them the juice Alice.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Damon's a green seer?

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No I think that was a combination of Helena

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and Alice tapping into Werafi and you know

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: channeling into Damon.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess Helena and Alice are aware of

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: each other through the green network or

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there's any connection

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: between them beyond that?

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just Werafi.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm going to call it the rest of the show.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Werafi?

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Like work by here.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I guess what did you think of Hugh

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and Ulf versus the books?

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that they were honestly perfect.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they nailed that.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought Hugh was much, he comes across

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: as a much better person and I think

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: that's for the better to differentiate them like that.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I agree.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Hugh in the book seems a lot more egotistical

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and here we're like okay this guy is just angry

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and I like the addition of his child dying,

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: his wife kind of spurning him.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that provides a good motivation

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: for like well I have to find glory

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: so that I can get my life back a little bit.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe yeah maybe to win his wife back

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: or do it with her.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like oh you want to be queen?

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But I can see also that he's seeing

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Rhaenyra the cruelest coming out

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's seeing what she did

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: with the dragon seeds to blocking them in with the burning

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: which is not for the books.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He sees what she said,

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like how she's suddenly like

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: oh well let's do like Aimen

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and burn a couple towns to show that we're powerful.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It felt a little out of character there.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Where's Masari on this?

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: She talks to Masari afterwards and Masari is like

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: look you gotta do what you gotta do

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like this is just not the vibe.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Masari is not, is supposed to be the one

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: protecting the small folk.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's been her, but anyway.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But the good thing about that is that we do see

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: from Hugh's perspective that he's watching this

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and you can see why he would eventually turn on her.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why he would think that the other side's any better.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they're setting it up really well.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ulf I imagine he just gets a shiny object

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: waved in his face and that's enough.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Ulf, oh man, he's awful

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're selling me on that.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I wonder,

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to getting the Isle of Faces stuff.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if Damon, because they don't find his body in the book.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There was also, they said with Ray Nice in the book

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that she was so charred you couldn't see her

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and then it seems she did actually die

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like that and like oh.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But considering there's no body for Damon

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if he wanders off to the Isle of Faces himself

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and then that's a way that they keep him around longer

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and he has maybe, I'm thinking in the last season

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: is when they'll do Tumbleton

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe Damon and Adam meet.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see that.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see that.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that'd be a fun way to,

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: because that's always been an area of interest.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder if it's more interesting to leave it a mystery.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like is the mystery more interesting than anything that it could be?

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but do you think they're going to miss a chance

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to bring back Matt Damon one last time?

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Damon.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I'm combining their...

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey Adam, how do you like them apples?

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm combining his real and show names, Matt Smith.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, fair enough.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we also don't know in the books

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: what becomes of Alice Rivers and Amon's son.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm wondering if she could possibly take the places that witch in the hills,

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: but then, and like, because her son could very well be a dragonrider.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But then if they're taking Sheepstealer and Reyna still alive,

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still very, like we think from the books

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that a dragon can't bond someone new unless their rider's dead,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but they've never said that in the show.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So I wish they would just come out and say something

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: other way in the show about that.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we don't know if Lane Orr is still alive or not.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Lane Orr is alive, I would be shocked.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Why? I mean, what's the point in having him...

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Seasmoak took another rider.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what's the point?

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't say in the show that that's not a thing.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So what's the point in having him go off if he just dies off screen?

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's been 10 or 15 years, right?

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He lived more than he did in the book.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know maybe.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish they would say one thing,

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: something one way or another.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the fact that Seasmoak became restless

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and they pointed that out to us shows that he's dead.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the interesting thing there is that

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Reneara is like, well, I saved him,

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: but for how long?

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's grieving already with this whole war

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and her son and now she has her former spouse

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that she has to grieve who was...

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were best friends,

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: even if they were not really romantically interested in each other.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They had a good family situation going on.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think it complicates the emotion a bit

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: if he died opening up Seasmoak.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that that's what Helena could have been

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: referring to with the bug stop singing?

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, that's a good point.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that might have been it.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Good work.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's Canada now.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It is known.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Your mouth's a Ryan Condolzier.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you think that...

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So one thing that I can't remember,

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: someone on Twitter pointed this out,

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that we saw the kind of pre-riot in King's Landing

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: where Alice and Helena were involved

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and somebody grabbed Alice in type...

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Or one of them and got his arm cut off.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that person could turn out to be the shepherd?

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the three who ends up taking King's Landing

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: from Reneara?

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they could be setting that up.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be cool to include that origin story there

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you see somebody who's already disgruntled

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: got his arm over it and now he's even more mad.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but why would he be mad at Reneara?

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's just mad at the royals in general.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think to the common folk,

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: to the small folk, it's like,

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: this is a battle within a single family,

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: which is true.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's different flavors of blondies, right?

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all it is.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the show is overall going to end

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: with Agen the second taking back King's Landing

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and if so, are they going to try to give us

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: a redemption arc for him?

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think they'll fast forward

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: to baby Agen?

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to go to baby Agen.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to...

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that unites the two...

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: sides, right?

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is Agen and Jehara.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think they're going to end with that.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're all here.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: This is who...

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We're all coalescing around these two.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the end of the war.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a satisfying way to end it.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think they should go forward

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: to Jehara then killing herself.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, they can make it kind of...

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Even though he's called Agen the broken

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_00]: because he's so messed up from everything that happened.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, smile.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it is fitting because then you can also have,

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, like Kreegan putting Laris' head on a pike,

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: which is a kind of probably satisfying end

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: to all of his twists and turns.

[00:34:06] And...

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's...

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You get the post-script then about,

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, the dying of the last dragons

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: under Agen...

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Baby Agen's rule.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, also,

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: they're going to be babies still.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they're going to be very young,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Jehara and Aengan.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like it would be a really poetic ending

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to have all these grown-ups fighting.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have these two toddlers sitting on the throne.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the people around them really run things.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that...

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: In a show that's meant to show how the Targaryens

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: broke their dynasty,

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a really effective ending.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Kreegan Stark standing on one side,

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and you have Wetzel's face Lannister disfigured

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and standing on his other shoulder.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we will guide him.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Although Kreegan just walks off back to Winterfell, of course.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But he sees for a number of years, doesn't he?

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's only there for a short time.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you might be right.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But then he punishes people for killing the other Aegon.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he's like, well, time to go home.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But a bunch of Northerners stay

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: because they met people, women and stuff.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Many widows in this war.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Who would have thunk?

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And so also, when are we, I guess,

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: if they don't do the Battle of the Red Fork,

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: we need to get like,

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: they've teased us with the Red Kraken, Darren Dalton Greyjoy.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So when are they gonna release the Kraken?

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: What is dead may never die.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe towards the end of next season and then...

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to figure out how they're gonna divide these two seasons.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to end up with R'nira on the throne

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: at the end of season two.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, season three rather.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And Helena dying and Battle of the Gods Eye.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That way you can do Helena getting usurped

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: at the beginning of season four.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they said they're gonna do 10 episodes for season four?

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think you have enough room

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: to do everything else in season four.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But what's out...

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_00]: The room we're floating out there is eight for three

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and 10 for four.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But after this backlash,

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't trust Zazelov to do anything

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a good creative decision.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wonder if they'll take that into account though.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were...

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Zazelov tried to say like,

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: save some money on our biggest flagship show.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was a backlash.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the numbers were down.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that they take the lesson of,

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, maybe we should devote more resources and do it right.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I worry that they're gonna take the lesson of,

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: well, it had lower viewership cut the budget again.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that that's always been my issue with him.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He is personally my most hated exec in Hollywood.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's because he's just always shown

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_00]: he does not understand...

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand he's a money guy,

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but he does not understand that his blockades

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: of the creative choices of the creative work

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: is costing that company so much more money.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And I know...

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he intentionally wanted to kill HBO as a brand,

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: but he sure is trying real hard.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's just bigger than him, right?

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the whole corporate structure of...

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Executives get paid on short-term gains

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and not long-term gains.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But he came in from the discovery perspective,

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: like, let's just have a bunch of cheap shows.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We throw at the wall and people lean back viewing, as they say,

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: whereas HBO is lean in viewing where you have to pay attention

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and it costs more and it's more intricate.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And you get...

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does cost more and maybe viewership overall

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: is lower than...

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're a big fan of 90-day fiancé.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it, but they get to pay the couples

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: like $1,000 an episode, right?

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe they do...

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: If they have 10 couples, that's $200,000,

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that's nothing on a budget.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And no VFX, all just editing.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, like playing tickets and whatever.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's extremely cheap as a production.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No scripts, well, that's debatable.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's scripted.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the producers say,

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: okay, say something like this.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's influence.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I really recommend... What is it called?

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Unreal is a fictional TV show

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: about the producers behind a bachelor-like TV show.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really...

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fictional and it's dramatic.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you like that stuff, you'll like this as well,

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's also just really interesting

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think it's all true how they show,

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: how they influence the people on the show.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I gotta check that out.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the whole...

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It is so interesting to see these people

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: get just a little bit of money and go insane.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the 90-day fiancé thing I've noticed

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: is they go on the show for two seasons

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and one of them just wanted to stay relevant,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: so she started selling her farts and jars online

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and that was like a whole plotline.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, back to Game of Thrones.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I think...

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Vrnira, by the time that she dies,

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: we're gonna see her as a monster

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and hopefully they've learned from the Dynaris thing to...

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like they're already seeding that plot,

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think the point of no moral return

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: is gonna be when she orders the torture of...

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I keep forgetting the other Lannister's name.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Thailand?

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Thailand, thank you.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: See, I'm like...

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's Jihar, the captain.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Lohar, yeah.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Lohar, Lohar, yeah.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that they're gonna show...

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So in the books,

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Young Viserys,

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the brother of Young Aegon,

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_00]: gets kidnapped and then just disappears

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and then Aegon finds out while he's king

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that Viserys is alive

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and ends up bringing him back from Essos

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and makes him his head.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they're just gonna skip all that?

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Just have him disappear?

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, yeah.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They could have him settle in Essos, you know?

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that would be fine with me.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: We can tie off some loose ends.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's fine.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really need to see

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: the drama surrounding a baby in this, you know?

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it does...

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess, yeah.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It lays seeds, but they're not going to...

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they might make his Aegon the third's reign.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're not gonna like lean into

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: how depressed he is.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And how it's just relentless sadness in this universe.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially since he's younger,

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if they're even gonna have him be as depressed, right?

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Because isn't the whole thing,

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like super conscious

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's watching his mother die

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's just completely miserable.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But if he's like one,

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: he's not gonna remember that probably.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anyway.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering how they're gonna handle

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the new Duncan Egg Show.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed in like...

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We've so far we've seen like the briefest of teasers

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: in part of what's coming up in HBO.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Real.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And they said Duncan's name,

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but they didn't say the name of the kid.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if they're gonna try to keep it secret

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: who he is when the show starts.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder, you know,

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: at some point they have to reveal who he is

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_00]: within the show plot,

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but then maybe he won't talk about his ancestors at all.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't know who he's descended from?

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean does he even...

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember if he does like a whole...

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been years since I read it.

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Does he even do a whole like,

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: well, like come from this line?

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he does.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: He's reasonable to just have somebody named Aegon

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: in this universe, right?

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a few lying around.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They reuse names like their candy, you know?

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It is like what, a couple generations later,

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: so he doesn't need to talk about like,

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I am son of son of son of, you know?

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't need the beguots.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think he's...

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't the Silmarillion.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But he also is a secret Targaryen at the beginning, right?

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Like doesn't it take a whole first novella

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: for him to like be like, oh yeah, by the way, I'm...

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why his head is shaved,

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: which we've now already seen with Alan in this show.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and we know his head shaved.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: We saw a glimpse of a super bald, egg-headed kid.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Good for him.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the egg.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: There's the egg.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to take a quick break

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: before we get into some feedback?

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back with more House of the Dragon.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: More House of the Dragon.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So Nancy very helpfully separated out the spoilery feedback for us.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of nettles talk.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's mostly nettles talk, I would say.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Abby wrote in twice.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: She wrote in just before this recording.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I did not sort it out by topic.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But so I'm just going to read it all together.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Through no fault of the character,

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Reina didn't have much development so far.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it seems she gets one at the expense

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: of another book character being edited out likely.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that we might think how cool she finally gets dragon

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and yet erasing a canonical dark skin character

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: just because you made this one person of color is not okay.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It is like turning the ray of the last Jedi

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: into the ray of the return of Skywalker.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah well, it is what it is.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Show only audiences will be enthusiastic about her.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think Alicia?

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean I said I understand this perspective.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: My biggest issue is that Reina doesn't have like nettles

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is a favorite in my opinion for me because she has personality

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and Reina so far has not been allowed to show personality.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's interesting.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad we're getting representation in the show

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but it is true you know it's one of the few people

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of color in these books maybe don't delete them.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Greetings to the House of the Hounds.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Abby's second email.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope I'm not too late.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: This is my book spoiler feedback, spoilers for everything.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: General thoughts, maybe I'm repeating

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: what I said on the discord.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Overall I like the season but if I rewatch the final episode

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: another time I might give it a lower score

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: than I did after my first watch.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It has to do with the excuses and the blame game.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So there is talk about how well prepared

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the writing team was before the strikes.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the story they set out to tell.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I am less charitable with excuses

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: for all the hanging threads.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Every episode we waited for the next season

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to see some resolution,

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: waited for the next episode rather

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to see some resolution and now we'll wait two years.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I stress I don't need huge

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Marshall displays to be satisfied.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot of stuff that could have been cut,

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: arranged better or moved to season three.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The crying about budget and strike sounds hollow

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: when other shows with a fraction of how these budget

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: in same strike circumstances still manage

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the telecohesive story.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes I am talking about interview with a vampire watch it.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Woohoo!

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The Heron Hall mystery tour could have been done

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: in three max four episodes with some young Werniera

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and Viserra's hallucination.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing was not even accurate.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Alyssa was only good for shock value

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and I don't think it added anything to the psycho torture.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I can agree with that.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Prophecy stuff.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I was almost chagrined about it.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I was almost as chagrined about it as John.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: My first reaction, yeah cool visuals

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: but it doesn't matter.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hate the final Game of Thrones season

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: as much as John but I never rewatched it either.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think few do.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I heard a tin foil theory on another pod

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: kissed by fire podcast that made me like this vision more.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel the need to share some bullet points.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What if we think of Hattie's show canon

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: as a retelling of Bookfire and Blood

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and also a peek into slash foreshadow

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: of the rest of the Asong of Ice and Fire series

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: book canon, not Game of Thrones show canon.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We know that in Girm's world history

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: is not so much repeating itself as more kind of rhyming

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: as much with certain characters as with some storylines.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people were comparing

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: were reminded by this season of this or that

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: from A Storm of Swords.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of comparisons made between Otto and Tywin.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Larys and Varys, Jace and early John Snow.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: What if the prophecy will matter in The Winds of Winter?

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: If Daenerys is a parallel slash Rhyme with Rhaenyra

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: she also has a competing Aegon to deal with

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the Black Fire Boy.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So all these seeming callbacks to Game of Thrones

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_02]: the show may be not such at all.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree that because George R. R. Martin

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_00]: he wasn't so involved with the Game of Thrones

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly the season, you know last season

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and people were saying about it.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He was too busy not writing Winds of Winter.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Leave the man alone.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_00]: No I will not.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: 13 years George.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but just think, I just think about it

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: from his perspective if you know you had

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: your whole story and he told them the end

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and then they blew it and now there's this huge

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_00]: backlash against that ending that must completely

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: shake what the story that he was writing

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and not that he's going to change it or something

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_00]: but it takes so much time to like come around to that

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and to get in the right mind space to even continue with that

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: so I really feel for him on that.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but then stop telling me you're doing it.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think he is, of course he is working on it

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but he's released chapters including

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the Justice for Ariana but my point is

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't he release those like 10 years ago though?

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it was a while ago.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not working on it right now.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: He's working on it but

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so he was more involved in

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: this show House of the Dragon at least at first

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think he continues to be more involved

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: than maybe not as much as we would like.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He did recently say in one of his not a blog post

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's not going to the summit for season 3

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the writers retreat whatever it is.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay that's a bummer.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah I think that his idea though going in

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_00]: since he was involved at least to start

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: is that it was a way to sort of redress

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the ills done against his story

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Game of Thrones show.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean I know he is the one connecting this prophecy

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like he was the one who came up with that idea.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah I guess I guess.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the story is all about prophecies.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: On the contentious change slash mashup

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe replacement of Fire and Blood character Nettles

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: she was important for two seasons

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the one about two reasons rather.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man this has been a loud podcasting this month.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: For two reasons the one about how a seeming

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: nobody poor dark skin girl could bond with a dragon.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we got this with Adam but not really.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The other that it shows how Reneara is still

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: classist and racist and doesn't care about people

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: she deems beneath her station.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This part was given to Jace who we know won't live long

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_02]: so Rey can remain sympathetic.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: If they yeah what do you think about that let's pause there.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I think that they are planting the seeds

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to make Reneara unsympathetic as I just said

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit ago.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think for different reasons though.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right for different reasons.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it should be more like wrathful than bigoted.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah indeed they're making her rhyme even more

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_00]: with Daenerys.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Which I have mixed feelings about.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I still think that Daenerys' turn was horrible.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Well it was too fast and yeah it wasn't handled well.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: She just stood there like breathing heavily

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: for a minute and she's like well yes I'm evil now.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah and the difference between them

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: is Daenerys was the breaker of chains

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and Reneara I guess she now I guess we're getting

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the Reneara version is like she's like

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but the gods are pretending this.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The gods will it because you know they chose Adam.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's yeah a dragon choosing Adam

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_00]: is obviously the god saying they want Reneara on the throne.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, exactly.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Always making about you girl.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: If they were placed with Reyna because of the gossip presumption

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that Nettles is Daemon's daughter

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: that never seemed plausible in the first place.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That also doesn't really work as Reyna overlooked

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: as she was, was never a nobody.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: She lived in privilege and besides Reneara was going

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Reneara going antagonistic with her is unlikely

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: except maybe for abandoning her children.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well we got that.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_02]: As we didn't get any resolution on the wanderings

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in the veil maybe that dragon is a different one

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: or if it is Sheepstealer maybe already has a rider.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything is possible.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say I think it's pretty clear that it's Sheepstealer

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_00]: because they keep showing us the it eating the sheep.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They're gesturing very dramatically to the dead sheep.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder when or if deadbeat dad Coraless will legitimize his sons

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: or there will be further deviations from the histories.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he'll legitimize Alan.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think he'll come around especially I mean

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: he's going to turn eventually right.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We know Coraless is going to turn.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think at some point he's going to have maybe that's something

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that they'll offer him to turn is like we'll go legitimize

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: your sons and it's something that just never came up

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: with Reneara.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean I think you know he did his way of

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_00]: acknowledging Adam was when he was like well done

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you know he was saying that as yeah as an emotionally

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_00]: stunted father to his son.

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I just want to be clear I don't like Coraless can

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: legitimize them on his own he needs a region.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He needs a king or queen.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think I mean Reneara would gladly do so given

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_00]: one of them's on a dragon now.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right that's true that's true.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think the mushroom is?

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Abby's next question.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: One character maybe Misaria or a collection of characters

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: who tells the gossipy stories?

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it could be Misaria.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Although she doesn't show that personality I think

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_00]: they just were like let's just forget mushroom exists

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_00]: because we don't know how to deal with another

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_00]: dwarf character who's made to be a fool.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I don't think Peter Dinklage would be

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: happy about that although people are a little

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: soured on Peter Dinklage at this point.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Why?

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He like mocked fans for not liking the ending

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: of Game of Thrones.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like oh get over it.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh it was good ending and it's not.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And people are like oh.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow teach Theron.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I bumped into him in an airport once he was

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_00]: very grumpy but I was very grumpy at the same time.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It was so packed that he threw.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Who likes being in an airport you know?

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No it was a miserable experience for everyone

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: in that pit of people.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah alright so Abby says I'm running out of time

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: so I'm sending this email without adding more

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: looking forward to hearing your thoughts your friend

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Abby.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Abby.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Always good to hear from you.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Next up you want to take Mark P?

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure so Mark sent an email.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi y'all some post finale feedback.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Please note that this is spoilery so it makes

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the most sense for the lower cast.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Apologies if this feedback is already shared.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Well it sounds like it sounds like

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_00]: you all don't have a big problem with

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_00]: this plotline maybe but a fair number of

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_00]: folks seem frustrated by the rain of bits

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_00]: because I think it means Nettles has been

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_00]: cut completely with her plot being given

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_00]: to Reyna as a way to keep things simpler.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if in actuality Reyna is

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles and there's going to be some kind

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_00]: of here's the real story that makes it

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_00]: all somehow more or less consistent with

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_00]: book lore.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a while since I've read the source

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_00]: material but I seem to recall Reyna just

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of disappears once she's sent off to

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Essos with the little kids.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if in the show some mysterious

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_00]: dragonrider shows up sworn to the blacks

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_00]: writing sheepstealer claiming the name

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles with an unknown origin and

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_00]: backstory and rest of the story proceeds

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_00]: as usual.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course in this concept the inner circle

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_00]: of team black would obviously know her

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_00]: real identity, close family member at all

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_00]: but publicly she would be taking a new

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_00]: identity that the history books wouldn't

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: necessarily know about.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the rather scant information about

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles in the book.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course there are some problems with

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_00]: this mainly the traveling escort she was

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_00]: with not sharing that she has disappeared

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_00]: may be pretty hard to believe to be clear

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that is part of the that part of the

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_00]: story is already pretty weird.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Also very notably there's a question of

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_00]: why she would do anything like this in

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_00]: the first place.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure she is angsty both about her place

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_00]: in the world and about her lack of a

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: dragon but once she got said dragon it

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_00]: seems she might be content to return to

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: her previous place at quote-unquote

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_00]: court.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They have not told the story about her

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_00]: wanting a completely new beginning or

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_00]: clean slate or anything like that.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know maybe I'm just trying to

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_00]: rationalize why they're being so cagey

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_00]: about this particular plot line.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not necessarily somebody who has a big

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_00]: stake in the existence of Nettles but

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that they left this of all the

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_00]: dragon writing plot lines as a cliff

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_00]: hanger most likely knowing that this

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: related to a fan favorite character that

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_00]: would provoke two years of people

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: stressing out between the seasons feels

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_00]: notable enough that it's possible

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_00]: there's something else going on rather

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_00]: than simply cutting the character and

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: giving the story to Reyna.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that this is either a good

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_00]: or a bad decision nor that this is

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_00]: even particularly interesting but I

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_00]: hadn't seen it tossed out before so just

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_00]: thought I'd share my thoughts.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean I know you were reluctant

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk about this because of spoilers

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_00]: although I probably would have a few

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_00]: weeks ago said like Nettles is

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_00]: coming.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But so I think I thought

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that they would at least end the

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_00]: season with Reyna like instead of

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_00]: her just randomly wandering she could

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_00]: have been you know found Sheepstealer

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and been feeding dragons.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry feeding sheep to Sheepstealer

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to try to bond and then you know just

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_00]: end the season with her getting on

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the dragon or something just some final

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_00]: win so I guess maybe we'll get

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_00]: like that'll be the cold open of

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: season three or something because

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Nettles shows up at the Battle of

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the Gullet right?

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So she needs to already be on the

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_00]: dragon and if she is on the dragon

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_00]: it makes sense she hears that you know

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the kid she was supposed to be

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_00]: protecting got taken yeah obviously

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: she would go.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah I'm wondering about

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the timing of this for next season

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_00]: now.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I guess the idea could be

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you know she tries to catch up with

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_02]: them on their way to Essos

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and then she joins the battle

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: as she finds them.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Any I guess we're going to be talking

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_00]: a few more times about this.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You want to read Christina J.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep going.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: If they gave Reina her damn dragon

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: this is Christina J by the way

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: if they gave Reina her damn dragon

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: that would have at least saved the

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: season for tragedy.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: This that's been a four year

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_02]: story arc now.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would you cut that scene?

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would you cut that scene?

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's bizarre especially you

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_02]: already have the dragon just put

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: her on it.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but just have them I don't

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_00]: know just some acknowledgement

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_00]: like the visual bond since we

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_00]: already saw that established

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_00]: between two other character three

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_00]: other characters this season.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Why would you cut that scene I

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: mean book readers are already

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: mad enough that she took another

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: person's arc but then don't

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: even allow that triumph.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That was probably the worst

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_02]: showrunner decision.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Here is the I'm going to make

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: it bigger because I can't read

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Ha I was going to send another

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: send a separate spoilers bit

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but yes I keep forgetting that

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this is a secret.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Lissai.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly a tragic decision

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: because she was the only

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: non-target to complete

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: claim a dragon of Westeros

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: history and they just axed

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: her.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's that's I think

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the biggest tragedy is that

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_02]: it questions whether you need

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: to be a Targaryen to claim

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: a dragon.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_02]: She was also one of the few

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: canonically black Guerm characters

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: sure the Uncle Nys

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: incest is touching hearts

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and certain county lines

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but that's an L that's kind

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: of hard to rework with the

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: dragon morning like Aegon's

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: other kid is a figment

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of historical imagination.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel these are too big of

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: things to get construed

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: through time.

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm deaf not a book purist

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but she was what initially

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: drew me to this series as a

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: whole interesting interesting

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: nettles.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I never think of Fire and Blood

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: as people's first first foray

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: into this universe right.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the least narrative.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you can't just

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: you just can't rehab Damon

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: while also showing him

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: continuing to do horrible

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: things that he isn't sorry

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: over making him a better

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: parent is a step in the

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: right direction but it negates

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: everything outside of Damon

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that made her special.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She was my favorite

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: dragon seed of nettles

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: she was my favorite dragon seed

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and could have more to do

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: with prophecy than the characters

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: who have made that

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: their crusade to power as

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: if it's divine.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean I think these are

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: excellent reasons why

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: it is a bummer that they

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: seem to have cut nettles.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you want to take the two

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Chris M messages?

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure so two messages two

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: emails from Chris M

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: spoilers.

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I also think that this season

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: was a lot closer to the books

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: than a lot of folks have said

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: aside from blood and cheese

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the changes they made were one

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: mostly minor timeline

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: compression stuff too playing

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the many book blank spaces

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: of book material three additions

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that wouldn't be recorded in

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the book or four introducing

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: their own take when none

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: of the book sources can be

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: credible reporters.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say I agree with that

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: overall for the series as a

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: whole.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the things I

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: really liked about season one

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like season two they did

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like with the nettles thing

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and with there were a few

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: things like in the order of

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: events in certain ways or a

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: few things that do directly

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: contradict the books now I'm

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: not I'm not you know it

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't have to be exactly

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: like the books for me I don't

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: have to consider that because

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously Game of Thrones was

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: vastly different from the song

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: of ice and fire original series

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: so I don't mind that but

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: they yeah they've made changes

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah fair enough

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris M also says we're

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: would visions the mystery

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: targ is blood raven oh yeah

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah blood raven we saw in

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the visions yeah I couldn't

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: think of it at the time and I

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: was like I'm not going to say

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: something wrong or I'm going

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: to get Sarah it again

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: get Sarah it again

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: oh yeah 20 people wrote

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: in about Sarah

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah because

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: they showed in the vision this

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is Alicia talking they showed

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: in the vision that he had

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that birthmark on his face

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: which although in Game of Thrones

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that so this is another thing

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: showing that it's diverging

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: from the Game of Thrones

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: series is when they showed him

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: in the Game of Thrones he

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: did not have that birthmark

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: so now they're kind of

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: correcting course correcting

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the lower a little bit well

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you spend enough time in the

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: game of Thrones and it's got a

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: good got a good dermatologist

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: plan right yeah

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: so yeah the mystery

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Targus blood raven the three

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd Raven from Game of Thrones

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: who is canonically one of

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Damon's descendants I thought

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: this whole sequence was meh

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: because it felt like a really

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: abrupt way to get Damon to

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: where he needed to be but I

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: appreciate how willing they

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: are to sprinkle in deep lore

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I personally think the reina

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: how people feel about the character

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: beats I think Allison's offer to open

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: King's Landing is also a good plot

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: addition because in the book it's a

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: little too on the nose serendipitous

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that reina's forces just happen to arrive

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: in an empty King's Landing and

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: amen just happens to leave for

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Harrenhal at the same time that's a

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: bit too coincidental for me

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Allison totally has sway over Helena

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: who herself would probably be fine

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: with standing down and with seven

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: dragons no one else in King's

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Landing could fight it will make an

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting tension point when they

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: find out Aegon is no longer there

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: though and that could lead to some

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of imprisonment slash house

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: arrest for Allison anyway I think

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that's right I think I think where

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: they're leading to is Raniro takes

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: King's Landing easily Allison

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: says okay well I'm leaving and she's

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: like okay just leave your son

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: right and then she can't

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: she can't pay the toll to leave

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: King's Landing right and then

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: she'll be like this is a betrayal they'll both feel

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: betrayed right yeah and I think

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that's good that's good writing there

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that's one of the things I'm most looking forward to

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I don't mind is that Allison

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: showing back up at the end stuff the way

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that some people seem to

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I am one of the things

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that I like that they've done in this

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: versus the book which is a market

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: change from the book it's just the

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: relationship between these two women and

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yes you can say it just wouldn't be

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: recorded but there are yeah

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: they just definitely it's a big

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: change to have them have been close

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: in their childhood and more this age

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: that this was a good callback for that

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know we got the setup where

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: she found out so we

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: have Allison who's finding out

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that about this

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: prophecy which is actually not about her son

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: at all but her husband really did want

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Raniro and

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: then on the other hand she's just seeing how awful

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: her sons are on the throne right

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: she's like oh god

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: what have I done

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah she thought about her son's

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: safety but she didn't consider the safety of

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone else right including

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: herself yeah

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah Kevin C

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: says had this thought earlier

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: in the season but didn't think to send it in

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: till you specifically mentioned book feedback for a

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: spoiler segment in episode six

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: during the scene where Allison and Helena

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: are being escorted from the sept

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to their wagon we see the guards

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: specifically cut off an old

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: man in Maroon's right arm

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: in the book we know a character of the

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: shepherd here's what you brought up

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: who has mysterious origins but is missing

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: his right arm at least in the picture

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: in Fire and Blood page 493

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and preaches against the royals

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: did the show give us a nod at the potential

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: origins of the shepherd here I'm

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: wagering all my internet points on this being the case

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how the show could connect

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the two characters slash actors but

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: this was my initial thought as soon as I saw

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the limmer move thanks for a great season of

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: content Kevin C from Virginia

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: well Kevin insert

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: you me handshake emoji

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: thanks Kevin yeah I think that'd be really cool

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it'd be really cool to set up somebody

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: with that early

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: you want to finish up with Chris M

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah Chris M despite the season arc

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been holding out hope that they might not

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: cut nettles and I've got to say

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: the way the season ended might keep

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: a fool's hope alive my theory

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: has always been that they weren't sure how many seasons

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: they were going to get so they kept

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the option to merge the characters

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: if they needed to for a time

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but we're waiting to see one viewer reaction

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and two season length

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: from a narrative standpoint

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: it would be more interesting for her character

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: if Reyna can't claim Sheepstealer

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: she mirrors Aiman this way

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a what does it do to your psyche

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: to be the only target who can't get a dragon

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: thing that they're playing with here

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'd like to see that play out

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: whereas if they were committed to giving

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: her Sheepstealer I feel like they would have done it

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: right then pushing it to season 3

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: gives them the option to pivot

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: to introduce nettles if they want

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: giving how KG Condol has been when asked about

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: nettles this feels like it could be a real possibility

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: am I reaching here

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: hope is never mere

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: so I've wondered

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: about this myself the biggest thing though

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: is the fact that the convoy

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: left for Essos without Reyna

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: now I guess it seems

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: because they were like walking on the boat

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and nobody saw her just like

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you know take a righty out of there

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: so

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: then what is that what happens

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: with Reyna

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: if there is another nettles

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: who claims to dragon

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and I think you really want to have Reyna catch up

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: with the boat and get to the gullet

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: right she needs to be in the gullet one way or another right

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I think

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think really I think we need to have

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Reyna clean the dragon I'm going to say it is a fool's hope

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry Chris

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I did wonder

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: until the end of the season

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I did I was like

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: guys we don't know for sure that nettles has been

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_00]: cut and then by the end of the season again

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: nettles is cut

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so that's the end of feedback

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: of course you can still write into hotd

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: at thelaurhounds.com we won't be

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: answering well Nancy might answer

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: but we won't be reading it on air is the point

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: um but yeah this has been a fun season

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Alicia I really appreciate you doing

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: a spoiler cast with me because I wanted

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to talk book spoilers but I can't with you

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah no of course we must protect his innocence

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I know I'm glad that I

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: get to talk about this season in this way

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: even if we were a little let down

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: with where it ended up

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know at this point

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: it's still in my top

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: 10 shows of the year we'll see

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: we've got some heavy hitters coming out at the end

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of the year so we'll see where it stands

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah we'll see

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for season 3

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: so that's something to hope for

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: bring on the battle of the gullet

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: let's get this party started

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: two of you cowards

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it's gonna open up with the aftermath

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and it's just like by the way

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: jay's died off screen

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: can you imagine

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: what and watch us

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: replay this clip after they actually do that

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: next season

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: we're laughing in the

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: clip we're crying and

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: right right alright

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: well I think it's time for us to

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: do our closing

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: just on quick show notes

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: next week's gonna be a little bit of a later week

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: but still some content I have a

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: still Merlion story dropping

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: what do you got on your feeds Alicia

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: so there is

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: coming out probably

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: around the same time as this

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: is on Willshift Dust

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: there's the Comic Con reactions with Luke and I

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: to all the silo season 2 news

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: including that new casting announcement

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and what we found out about plot

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I won't do any book spoilers

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: other than what they told us at Comic Con

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and then

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah the third shift

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: just came out in the book club on Willshift Dust

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and on the Star Wars

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Canon Timeline podcast

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Marilyn and I recorded

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: part one of what's now gonna be

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: two parts look at canon

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: ancient myths

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: sorry canon myths of the Old Republic

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: so in part one we've talked

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: about a flood story

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and two Sith stories

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: about a certain Sith named

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Darth Kaldov

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and we just also talked about

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like what is the nature of myth

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: versus legend versus what does this mean

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: is a storytelling archetype how should we

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: interpret these stories about the Star Wars universe

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and stuff like that good Marilyn

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: love it yeah exactly

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like this is right up Marilyn's alley

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: alright I know Radioactive Ramblings

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to be back with a boys

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: wrap up soon

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: great so that'll be fun

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and then David is doing a bunch of stuff

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: with Alien

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: so keep an eye out on the feed for Alien

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Romulus Alien anniversary stuff

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: he's got the details listen to the main

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: part if you want to hear every detail about it

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: but he's collaborating with every

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: science fiction movie ever

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: very exciting

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: yes yeah I'm recording with them

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: tomorrow to talk about

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the original Alien

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: nice nice very cool

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and of course

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: we are coming back for rings of power season 2

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: our origin story

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: our lore origin story Marilyn's gonna be

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: podcasting with me and David

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: every week and

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: before the season I think today

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: actually they're gonna record without me

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: doing a recap

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: of season 1

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: so they're just gonna be doing a short recap

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: of season 1 in case you forgot what happened

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and then we'll see you weekly for season 2

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: don't forget to check

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that show notes for the

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: link tree where you can find the season

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: past patreon supercast all the way

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you can get premium features we're going

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: to be doing a bonus lore cast every

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: single week that will be for subscribers only

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and Jean and I are also gonna be doing

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: weekly coverage of Agatha all along

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: once that starts in September and before

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that I think John you're joining

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's me you Brandon and I

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about Beetlejuice 2

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: oh we gotta do Beetlejuice 2

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited don't say it again

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Beetlejuice 2

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and now I'm married to a demon

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: he's married to a demon you said

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: no now I'm married to a demon

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: because I said it three times

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: oh okay that's not good

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that's not good

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: alright well let's do

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: our quick shout outs you wanna do the shout outs

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I have music sure alright give me the music

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[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: adrian

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: alright I'll get rid of the game of thrones music

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: at least that was actually kind of appropriate for this

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: that was a very good selection

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's playing right over the battle of the gullet

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: alright thanks everyone this has been fun we'll see you in

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