Intro to DCUniverse: The DCEU is dead. Long live the DCU & Elseworlds!

[00:00:01] Intro

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to The Lorehounds, I'm Alisha.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Jean. And this is the inaugural episode of the DC Universe.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Ta-da!

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: We've been teasing DC coverage to come and today we're going to talk about what that's actually going to look like.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to say goodbye, maybe good riddance, to the DCEU with a ____ of all 17 DCEU films.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Plus the season one of Peacemaker, of course.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And then stick around for a preview of coverage to come from DC Elseworlds like Joker 2 and The Penguin,

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_05]: James Gunn run DCU. And a new type of episode we've been cooking up behind the scenes.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And as always, we want to hear your thoughts about everything DC.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Just shoot us an email or even a voice memo at lorehounds at the lorehounds.com with any of your thoughts

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: or join us under Lorehounds Discord to talk comics and more. You'll find those links in the show notes.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: All right. Well, this is our inaugural episode. And I realized right before recording, I'm like,

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: we don't have DC music, but we don't even know what the DC music's going to sound like yet.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. That's right.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a DC logo.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Step up. Step up Gunn.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Sean's impatient for DCU news.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So, Sean, why don't you start? What is your, you are the bigger DC fan of The Two of Us,

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll say upfront. What is your background with these characters, this world?

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything starts for me with the comic books. So I've read, you know,

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: adolescence, early childhood. I've been immersed in comic books and comic book stories.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So first taste Superman, Batman, of course, old cartoons that I didn't grow up with,

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but watch reruns of, repaints of when I could. So all these characters are near and dear to me.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And even some obscure ones that may be general, you know, regular folks who

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: don't pay attention to comic books all that much don't really care about.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yet all goes back to reading comic books and watching cartoons.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But don't you feel, because that is one thing that I think is great about James Gunn,

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: which I actually, I'm a James Gunn fan. I like his work and I am excited about what

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: he's going to do with the DCU. But one definite thing that we see in the lineup

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_05]: that he's selected so far, which we're going to get into more later, is that he does seem

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_05]: to be like a real comic fan pulling out some obscure teams and things like that.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely. The news that we've gotten about what's coming, what he wants to do,

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: it definitely gives a vibe that, you know, we're going to tell stories with characters

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that you may not be familiar with, but you're going to get familiar with and you're going to

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: love. So we'll see if it all works the way that is intended. But it is exciting.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But also Batman and Wonder Woman and-

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. We're not going to not do those things. We're not going to not do

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the ones that you know of and care of and care for, excuse me. And yeah, we're going

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: to give you those, but we're also going to introduce some new characters to you as well.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's exciting.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. So my, I mean, I said that you're the bigger DC fan. It's not that DC has also

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: always been a part of my life. I've always been more of a Marvel girlie, but also had

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: like a soft spot for particular DC characters. I'm not going to surprise people when I

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: name some feminine characters. But I, you know, I was a small child in the 80s and

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought that that Supergirl movie from 1984 was the bee's knees. And I don't care

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_05]: what people say about it now. And everyone just keep this in mind when we get to our rankings.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but no, I mean, so I, yeah, I loved that. Um, I loved like, you know, Harley Quinn.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the, you know, I also, I loved the same movies that everyone else loves,

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_05]: like the, the Batman movies and, you know, I, um, I love the darker side of DC,

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_05]: but especially when it's darker and more playful, which is why I'm hopeful for this new era.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about darker, you know, I don't know about darker. Um, I think, uh, there's,

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a large segment of the population that wants to see a lighter, um, tone.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but what came before, um, but I mean like Tim Burton, Tim Burton darker,

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like where it's still like Beetlejuice, you know, I'm deep in Beetlejuice mode right now,

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Beetlejuice where it's, you know, it's, it's dark as in goth, but it's still fun and playful.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Um, we'll see. We'll see. I'm very, because gun has been, um, sort of tight lip about,

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: um, so I'm really interested to see how it plays out with the first, um, film,

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: not the first entry into the new DC universe, but the first actual film that we get to see

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: what tone is set because, um, then we'll be able to really see where he's going. Um,

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the animated stuff is always going to be different, um, from what we get on screen.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really interested to see live action. Yeah, exactly. Because that will tell us where

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the, the story and the tone and the setting and all of that stuff, that's going to be the,

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: the marker. Yeah. Are you watching any good DC stuff now? Like we, speaking of animation,

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of it's animation. All of it is really animation. Um, I'm immersed in Kite Man.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too. And I'm watching, um, the Harley Quinn, um, oh yeah. That's one of my favorites.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm on the second season of Harley and I'm watching and I just finished watching like the

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_05]: first episode of Kite Man. Um, started the first episode of Batman Arkham Asylum, which a lot of

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: people have been raving about. The first episode for me was like, okay, nothing wrong, nothing

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: that got me so excited, but everyone's like, no, just wait for episode two. So okay. I'm

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: going to do that. Oh yeah. Is that the one on prime? Yeah. I'm prime. Yes. I'm into that

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: as well. I'm on episode eight. Okay. So yeah, that's really good.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I also need to catch up on my adventures with Superman, which like gave me, cause Superman for

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: me is always kind of a boy scout. So, and this one, he is a boy scout in this show, but also

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: he's more human in a way. So I'm connecting with him more in that animated series.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. And I think I have an any Superman thing to date. That's, that's wild. That's,

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: that's big praise. I finished the second season about a month ago. Yeah. So I watched

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: it as, as they were being released. So I was completely up to date on those and I liked it.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I liked it. I thought it was cool. I like how they changed some things with his backstory.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And also just the animation was cool. Yeah. You know, I think they did a great job rendering

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the characters and the stories, especially I liked this second season a lot more than I

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: liked the first season. Okay. Oh, that's good to know. That's exciting. Well, yeah,

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I always Lois Lane is the character. She's not necessarily my favorite character,

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: but she's a character identify with most because I'm also a journalist who has to double check her

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_05]: spelling. So, um, so I really liked her represent like how she is portrayed in that show too.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. It's really good. It's, um, I enjoyed that show. Like I said,

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I really enjoyed the second season. Yeah. Uh, so these are all else worlds,

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: all these things that we've been discussing. So how would you define the difference between,

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, cause yeah, people are getting confused. There's the DCEU and that's what we're going

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: to be power ranking today. The DCEU titles, we've got the DCU titles that are starting in

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_05]: December. And then we've got else worlds, which is basically everything else we've been

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about. So the DCEU, the extended universe is everything came before James

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Gunn took over. That's well, well between for 10 years between a man of steel and Aquaman too.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. All of that stuff. So that's the extended universe. The DCU is the now rebranded

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: DC universe. No extensions, no extended, um, that James Gunn in, in who else is,

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: there with him. Oh, uh, well I have his name written down with his name. Peter Safran. Yeah.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Um, that they're heading, uh, so they're taking the DC universe in a new direction

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the else world stuff is just what it is. It's elsewhere stuff. It doesn't

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: exactly, it's like a, the multiverse basically. Yeah. Um, so these are stories

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: with the same characters, but in different universes that don't have the same backstories

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that you might be used, um, that you might be used to. Yeah. Yeah. So they are doing,

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: so the DCEU is the set of characters that you've mostly been seeing, not including

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: the Batman, but it's like Batman. Yeah, exactly. Um, so that should become clear

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: as we go through this and we're going to talk more about specific titles and where they fit.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to talk more about what's coming up at the end, but first, yeah, this,

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_05]: we want to say goodbye to this crop of characters that ended at the end of last year with, um,

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: with Aquaman 2. It ended with a real whimper there. Oh boy. Wow. Oh, let it be known.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we're starting off. That one's not ranking high on my list. Oh boy. Okay. But what are

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_05]: overall thoughts on the DCEU these 17 titles between 2013 and 2023?

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it much more than most people. Okay. I really did. Um, I thought some of the stories

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: were really cool. Some of the characters were really good. Um, I am not a detractor of the

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: extended universe. I'm not a detractor of Snyder at all. No, no, no. So, um,

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it will be interesting to hear your thoughts on your rankings. We don't

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: attract or either we don't know different tastes. Right? We don't know each other's

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: rankings by the way. So it's going to be interesting to see where we, we differ or

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: where we might agree. But again, I enjoyed the extended universe. I thought, um,

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it gave me things that I wanted to see. Um, and I'm a big proponent of, of getting

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: characters on screen. Um, some characters they did better than others. Some stories

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: were told better than others, which is expected, but overall I was okay with it.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Um, I mean, I think that I probably, I mean, I'm just in general,

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I like to like things. So I generally liked most of them. I, I thought that it did not

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: that strong for me. I was a fan of Zack Snyder's prior movies. Um, but I wasn't a fan of what

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_05]: he did with the first couple of movies in the D C I wasn't really a fan of his movies in the

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: D C E U and I more enjoyed other people's movies in the D C. Okay. Um, because it just,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, well we'll talk about it as we go through them, but yeah. Um, but I am not like

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, I enjoy it. I've seen most of them more than twice. The most recent ones,

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I've only seen once, but, um, even the ones that I don't necessarily like so much,

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I made sure I at least watched them twice to give like a good fair, uh, you know,

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: my fair opinion on it, but it's also, it comes down to taste a lot of the time.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely. Definitely. I will say from, for me, there are no rebel moons in the D C

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: extended universe. There are no, um, you know, I think Snyder for me did some of his best work.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. Okay. Well there we go. Then we've got both sides of that opinion equation

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: represented here. Yeah. Cause I like rebel moon better. Oh my God. Oh, we're starting off.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Man, let's go. But when I say like, I like his movies, it was more of the, you know, prior ones,

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: but no, no, um, yeah, I guess my, my biggest problem with the DCEU and I don't, I think

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: this comes down to a lot of funny business. It's been going on at Warner brothers, but just

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: how it was handled at the end. Um, but of course, yeah, David Zaslov has been terrible for

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: creative there and talent. So I guess it's not surprising, but it's just also,

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's also one reason why it took me, how long did it take me to watch?

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Months, months, I tell you.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it was just like this feeling of like, Oh, well it doesn't even mean anything.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And it just, you know, and I just all of the drama also about, and this wasn't

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Warner brothers, but the drama about private lives of one of the actors, which I think is

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever people think is just unfair to her movie and everybody. Yeah. Um, yeah. So it just kind

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_05]: of all the noise around the end kind of that's what I, when I say going out with a whimper is

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: like, it was suffocated by all this noise. I agree. Um, the oxygen was definitely taken

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_05]: out of the room. Yeah. But there's some real high points. Like there's my number two on

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: this list. I will watch every year the number one's newer, but okay. All right. Um,

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I do have to give a slight disclaimer. It's just, uh, as we hinted, sometimes my personal

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: opinions do not align with what I'm quote unquote supposed to think. So there's going to be some

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: hot takes incoming. Um, and I'll respect your opinions if you respect mine and it does not

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_05]: make me, it does not make me a fake geek girl or not for me, but if I think different than

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish somebody would, would throw that accusation now so I could refute it

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: vociferously. Let's go join Twitter, join Twitter. I'm ready. I'm ready for that battle. Please.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. So the 17 titles that we are going to be ranking are in release order,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Man of Steel 2013, Batman versus Superman, Dawn of Justice 2016, Suicide

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: 2016, Wonder Woman 2017, Justice League, The Theatrical Cut 2017, Aquaman 2018, Shazam 2019,

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Birds of Prey 2020, Wonder Woman 1984 2020, Zack Snyder's Justice League 2021,

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_05]: The Suicide Squad 2021, Peacemaker Season 1 2022, Black Adam 2022, Shazam Fury of the Gods 2023,

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: The Flash 2023, Blue Beetle 2023, and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom 2023.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll be right back with our rankings after a quick break.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And once we're back, watch out for potential spoilers for all 17 of those.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: This is your official spoiler warning for the entire DCEU.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. So you ready to rank? Yeah, let's go. Let's do this.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_05]: All right. You want to throw out the first one? What is your number 17 DCEU property? So

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: we're going from least favorite and that doesn't mean that we hate any of these. It

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: is. The Flash 17. Let's go. The Flash. Get that out of here. That's what I said when I saw this

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: movie. No, no, no, no, no. It's just bad. It's just comically bad. CGI bad. And if you're doing

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: a superhero movie and the visuals don't hit, why are you doing this movie? Why am I here?

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Why am I here? I'm not here for story. I'm here for a story. No, hold on. Hold on.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not here from story. I'm here to get engaged in the visuals and then get engaged

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the story. If the visuals are not hitting, I cannot get engaged in your film. It's a superhero

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: movie. It's supposed to look epic. It's supposed to look dope. It's supposed to look like

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: something that is brought from the comic book page on screen where I can sit back in my seat

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and say, wow. Not, oh my God, this is what? Not that I want to say, wow. If I can't say wow

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: at what I'm watching, I'm not going to say dope to what I'm hearing. I need that on a t-shirt.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Can't do it. This is superhero stuff, man. We're not, let's get this right. We got

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: visuals are a big part of the medium. If you can't get the visuals correct on screen,

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: why are we doing this? Okay. Yeah. I won't tell you where, but I have that one a bit higher on

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: the list, not near the top or anything, but it's because for me, it's the opposite. I

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_05]: liked that this, first of all, I went in with rock bottom expectations, expecting an

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: train wreck. I was like, oh, this is not as big a mess as I thought. Yes, there were visual problems,

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_05]: especially with that whole CGI thing and then bringing in all the controversies about

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the CGI characters and Christopher Reeve and all that stuff. But there was pathos.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, we're not even going to talk about the personal controversies of the

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I am more and more who cares that. I don't give a crap about the visuals if I don't give a crap

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_05]: about the characters. I'm not saying that this one did it exceptionally well, but

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: there was a good story kernel in there and it had Sasha Culley as Orkaya, I don't know how

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you pronounce it, as Supergirl. I thought she was a great Supergirl. That's part of the film.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That definitely makes it rank higher for me. Again, I'm glad that you brought up Supergirl

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: because she was the best part of the film, like I just mentioned. My cookie in was great.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not taking away from the parts, the aspects that I found to be good,

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but for me, the film was trash. Okay, fair. All right. You know what

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_05]: was the most trash to me if we're being real, real black Adam? That's my number 17.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_05]: It was just I had real hopes in the first act of the film. I was like, okay, this is going to go

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_05]: oh God, why? Oh brain, please stop thinking brain, please turn off. And I was in a really

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: bad mood that day. And honestly, I almost had a double, I often, if I'm going to make

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: effort to go to the theater, I'll often do like a double billing. And so I had that was

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: the first film in a double billing and I almost left before the second one. And thank God I stayed

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_05]: because I liked that one so much better. Thank goodness. What film was it? It was The Woman King.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yes. Okay. Great. That gave me the like, yeah, parts and all that feeling that I was

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_05]: missing from Black Adam. But it was just, I don't know, there was so many problems from

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_05]: just everything about the writing was a mess. The most, the most like, just remember that kid,

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: what did he even say? But it was not the kid's fault. It's not the kid's fault.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's the writer's fault.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And the director. Yeah.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And the director. Yes.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It was just the most uninspiring moment of quote unquote inspiration. And this the plot

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_05]: holes were just like you're just doing things for the sake of doing them because

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not one who's like the rule of cool. I think it's way cooler if there's a reason for

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: something to happen. No, I hear you. I hear you. That was an equally trash film.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I could have co put both of them these next, the next two, I could have,

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, a, a one in a two, quite honestly, right? As far as being the worst of the bunch.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But I get the black Adam stuff. That was, yeah.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: So what's your number 16 Shazam fury of the gods.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Okay. Bad, bad, bad, bad. Like Helen Mirren, like,

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: give her something better to do than that. Yeah.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It just felt flat. Like the villains were, were flat. The heroes were flat. There was

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing exciting about the film. And I think Zachary Levy has run his course

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and he should not play this character ever again.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. Okay. Well, you don't like the man child kind of persona. So maybe Shazam is like not

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: your character. No, no, no. I like the Shazam character. I think Billy Bastian and,

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, Sting Shazam and all of that. I, I think it's pretty cool to have an adolescent

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: with all these powers, right? I think that's a great story to tell. And some of the

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: comments that they, they, they have some of the comic book stories with some of his

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: excellent. So it's not the Shazam character, but I really feel the way that it's played,

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_05]: especially in this last movie is done. Okay. Um, yeah. So that one's also higher on my list.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Mostly because I really loved the first movie. So it gave me like, I walked out of the second

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_05]: movie for sure disappointed, but um, I definitely was more forgiving of it just

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_05]: because of my love for the first movie. Fair enough. Fair enough. And there were unicorns.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: What's your 16? My 16 is Aquaman 2.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Go at it. I mean, it was just, it was beautiful. First of all, um, I mean, I guess I saw some

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: people complaining about wonky CGI, but for me, I thought that it was really cool to see

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_05]: more of daily life in Atlantis at the beginning and stuff, but the writing and the directing was just

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: not there. Like just completely phoned in. Like they, I know they probably cut it up and put it

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: back together and you know, they probably had a morale problem after everything that went on,

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_05]: but it just felt like every actor was phoning it in except for, uh, what's his face? He

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_05]: played the brother, um, forgetting his name. Um, uh, Patrick Wilson.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yes. He was great. Yeah, he was great. Uh, but just the story was nonsense.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And I just, yeah, I just couldn't care. I really wished I watched it on HBO. Um,

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_05]: but I really wished I could speed it up. Yeah. That was, um,

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: huh. I agree. It was beautiful to the, the visuals were, were beautiful. Um, but they

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: found it in completely like they knew this was not going anywhere. This is the end.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not continuing with anything. Uh, so we're just gonna, yeah, we're just gonna be

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: here. And it felt like the performances, most of the performances were just that we're just

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: here. Um, the writing was flat as well. Um, yeah, it was, it was disappointing for me to watch

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because I really loved the first Aquaman. I thought it was a great movie. Um, this was not

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: a great movie. Yeah. Yeah. So what's your number 16? Oh, wait, sorry. Number 15 black

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Adam. Okay. Yeah. For all the reasons, for the reasons that you stated when you know,

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just bad. The rock is just bad. He was just terrible. Yeah. Like his performance was

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: laughable way. And the only hope that the movie had was Aldous Hodge playing hook. Um,

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah. Other than that, I loved, I did love that. So I just want now just give me a

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Hawkman movie, you know, right, right, right. But other than that, there was hardly

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: anything to like, you know, it was just, yeah, I didn't, I didn't connect with the character.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he's a great villain. He's a great anti-hero at times in the comic books.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't get any of that. I didn't feel any of that. You know, I just,

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I just felt like this was like a vehicle for the rock to just yes. It was a vanity project.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Kind of kind of, yeah, definitely. It just felt like, yeah, I can do this and I'm

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: going to do it type of situation. Doesn't matter. You know what lines I say, what

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: anyone else has to say, just my presence alone is going to carry the movie.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And that wasn't the case. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you're going to be unhappy with me.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy. Um, but so basically,

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to hear basically just spit it out. It's Batman versus Superman. So we're getting

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_05]: into the Snyder part of the list for me. Um, and so basically this one has a one reason why

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of low key love it. And it's that it gave us the Martha meme, but the question I

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_05]: asked myself when making this list is do I want to rewatch this right now? And I was like,

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_05]: no, just, just, I can look up that clip on TV. Fair enough.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just, yeah. Um, for me, it was, it was a bit like dark in terms of, you know,

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_05]: devoid of color. And I'm not a huge fan of this whole gray scale trend that went on for

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_05]: a long time. Um, which this definitely contributed to and also was part of. And

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, but I, I agreed the visuals were probably pretty cool. I just did not

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: care about the characters. And, um, yeah, I couldn't get, like, I was like, I don't get,

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: they're just fighting each other because people want to see them fight each other, which fine,

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_05]: but it just felt the writing felt on the lazier side to me. Sorry.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no apologies. No apologies. Yeah. I, I can't argue with what you just said.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't argue with what you just said. So I'm not going to hold it against you for BVS.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So fair enough. I'm going to go to 14. Okay. Aquaman and the lost kingdom.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Yeah. For all the reasons that we, that you said,

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it was completely, they knew it was the end. Um, the only reason it's

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just stunning to see Atlantis like the underwater scenes were just,

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, just great. If you haven't seen the movie, just, you know, at some point,

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you can probably find some clips online or whatever. Or put it on in the background.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And just, it was just a beautifully shot. Uh, some of those scenes were just,

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just wonderful to see. Um, but the movie itself suffered because all the actors knew,

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: except for Patrick Wilson, who I thought was really, really good in this. Um, and I wouldn't

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: mind seeing him again in the role. Uh, but just, they completely were, were blank, you know? And

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it didn't carry it. And I felt watching it, I felt watching, um, why can't I,

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: why can't I remember his name? Which one? Carl Drago. Oh, um, uh, Jason Momoa. Yes.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It felt almost to me like watching the rock in black. Yeah. He gave me that type of vibe.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody said he didn't even, he just wore his own clothes. Uh,

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, basically yes. Yes. It wasn't even costume. That's right. He like,

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: roll out of bed and this is in my closet. I'm going to wear this on set and we're going to shoot

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it. We're going to shoot. And we're going to put Patrick Wilson in this too. Yeah. So

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it just felt that way. It felt like watching the rock in black Adam, watching his performance,

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_05]: which was disappointing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think he was a, he was a producer on this

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: one. I think an executive producer, Jason Momoa. So I think he did have more influence

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_05]: on this one based on the success of the first one, but then things didn't go the way

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: anybody planned for sure. So that's where I'm at. That's my number 14.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: All right. So yes, keeping with the Snyder theme it's man of steel. It's just, I know.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of people love this movie. I know.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: For those of you, you can't see me, but my face is, oh, oh,

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry. I mean, it's just like I told you that, um, like I said before, Superman is just not a

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: character I've in general, especially connected with and then combined with all the things I

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: said about Batman versus Superman. Now this definitely had better writing than that,

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: but it just didn't connect with me. And I, you know, I've watched it a couple of times and

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, you know, I don't have to watch it anymore. It's okay for me to admit to

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: myself that I just don't enjoy this. That's fair. That's fair. I won't argue with you.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So what's your 13?

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Batman versus Superman.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. Yeah.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, there was no gravitas to their, to their fight, right? There was no,

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't feel like there was a need to have them go at each other at the time that they did.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just wonky. There was something missing. You know, watching the film,

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just felt like there's something missing here. I just kept saying that to myself,

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: each time that I watched it, I stepped away thinking like, what is it? But there's an it

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that is missing from this movie. Um, it didn't grab me the way that it should have. Um,

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Affleck's, this was his worst Batman. Um, and I kind of generally liked his

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Batman, but this was the worst Batman that he, that he did. Um, it just wasn't,

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it didn't hit the right notes at all. Um, the tension between them, I didn't feel it.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't understand it really. It felt manufactured in a way. Um, like you said

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: in yours, it just felt like, oh, we're going to have to fight because that's what people

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: want. Yeah. And it didn't really, I came away from the fight saying they didn't really need

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: to fight. Exactly. Exactly. And then, and then them having a mother with the same name.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that was the worst. But thank you for that meme. Thank you for that.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Martha will never be the same to me again. Never be the same. Never be the same. But

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, I just felt like there's, there's something missing from that film. There's a

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: film and, um, yeah, that's why it's number 13 for me.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. All right. Um, this is the one that's going to really piss people off.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_05]: For certain, some people and other people are going to agree. Um, but it, you know,

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_05]: it shouldn't surprise you. The next one is the Snyder cut of the justice league. And yes,

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: this means I have the theatrical cut ranked higher, which I'll talk about. There are some

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: reasons for that. Well, I guess I might as well talk about it now. Yeah. Um, it's that

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_05]: basically, okay. So I, there are things that I think are great about the Snyder cut.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: We're getting to the part where nearing like the middle of the list. We're getting to the

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_05]: part where it's like, none of these are necessarily bad movies. Okay. Maybe I shouldn't

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: have Shazam next. The second one. Um, but we're getting to the part where I'm like,

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_05]: these are movies that are just far from perfect for me, but I don't think they're bad.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not like I wouldn't watch it again. Um, but of all the movies left, the one that I

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_05]: least want to watch again is a Snyder cut. And obviously part of that is so fricking long

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and it doesn't like, I don't need five scenes of Jason Momoa, like standing in the wind

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and then an Icelandic choir sniffing his shirt. Are you serious? You don't need that.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't. I got into some arguments online also about whether it made sense for Batman

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_05]: to suddenly speak Icelandic. And I know, I know, but yeah, if Batman has been studying

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the language for a while because he's, he doesn't have, it's not like the matrix where

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: he can just upload it. He has to have been studying it. Yeah. But yeah, I know with

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_05]: prep time, with prep time, but we're talking about years of prep time and I don't know

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: that they sold me on that. He's Batman. Uh huh. Uh huh. Uh huh. He's very smart. I know this.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_05]: He's smart and good at languages, but you still got to learn it anyway, but there's

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_05]: like stuff like that. And I just, um, so the theatrical cuts, I do like that there are funny

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_05]: moments like the Snyder cut so dreary for me, even though I like that they have like the

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_05]: dark side things and more like that they fleshed out the villain side more, um,

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_05]: and this Snyder cut. So I do appreciate that. And I appreciate that the characters have more

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_05]: screen time, but there are aspects that I know people don't agree with me on, but like

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: with cyborg, I know he got more screen time in the Snyder cut, but I thought that he, his

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_05]: transformation like to me felt like he had more personal agency in the theatrical cut.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And then in this Snyder cut and felt more like he was a product of his father's doing,

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_05]: which makes sense for his anger at his father. But, um, I don't know. I just liked it better

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: when it was like he was his own creation in a way. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So sorry to all the Snyder heads out there, you know, no hate just, uh, we all have,

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it is what it is. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. And

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: good. What's your number 12? My number 12 is justice league. The theatrical. Okay. Yeah. Um,

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was abbreviated, truncated. Um, it didn't have to be as long as the Snyder cut,

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but it felt it could have been, uh, the story could have been fleshed out a little bit more.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where, that's where I'm at with it. I just really, I wanted when I watched the film,

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I left, I remember leaving and saying, I want more and I, you know, and not, I want more

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: in the good way, but I want more. And like, you know, ah, they should have done this.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, they could have done that type of way. Now I want the story to be continued,

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but I wanted the story that I just saw to be fleshed out a little bit more.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why it's number 12 for me. Okay. Okay. Um, my number 12 is Shazam too.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I already said basically it's, it's as high as it is because of my love

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_05]: for the characters. I mean listeners, if you could see my face. Oh,

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was still, yeah, we're almost to the midpoint of the list. So, uh, but it's,

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, it's, there were fun bits. Um, it w it was a deep disappointment and I'll be honest,

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I have only watched that one once because if I think about watching it,

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_05]: if I think about watching it again, I'm like, eh,

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: not as great as Billy said, you know, it was a fun time. It was a fun time. I didn't

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_05]: hate watching it. I wasn't like, okay, okay. Or whatever. Yeah. And your number 10 or 11, sorry.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, my number 11 is Shazam torn out.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: My number 11 is Shazam. Um, it was perfectly enjoyable. I liked it, but I thought that

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: there's another movie with, um, a young superhero that was done much better.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_05]: What's that? Oh, the other one on this list. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: gush about both of those later. Yeah. So that I felt that story was done much,

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: much better than what we got from Shazam. Um, I, I like Billy Bastian,

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but I didn't really like Shazam. Yeah. You didn't like that.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. And not because I didn't like Zach Levy and Shazam Fury of the Gods,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because I didn't like Zach Levy and Shazam Fury of the Gods. I didn't like Shazam

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in this movie. There's a difference. It's not the actor. It was the character.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Whereas the second movie, I didn't like the actor playing this character,

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_05]: if that makes sense. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah. Um, I don't have the experience

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_05]: with the Shazam comics, so I can't compare in that way. I just, uh, based on what they gave me

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: in the movie is all I know. Yeah. So I didn't like the Shazam. I much rather

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: watch the family dynamic in that film. Then I did the superhero theatrics of the film.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Okay. So, and I thought they did that really well. Yeah. I thought they did that really

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_05]: well. Okay. That's my number 11. What's yours? My number 11 is going to hurt you too. It's

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: awkward. Oh my God. We're in the middle of the list. This is not a low ranking.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's just, I just, I have no problems with it. I just, um, when I look back over all the

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_05]: films, it's not one that I am especially excited about for whatever reason. I think there's

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_05]: underwater stuff. It's just, I don't know. I'm like, yeah, Aquaman. Yeah. So it. Okay.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. I'm not gonna, I'm not going to argue with you. I think that's a perfectly reasonable

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: take. Okay. And what's your number 10? My number 10 is Wonder Woman 1984. Okay. Um,

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought there were some really cool elements to the film, but

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Pedro Pascal was just great. Yeah. Okay. I thought you were going to say he was bad for a

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: minute. Yeah. He was great. The villains were great. The villains were the best. Yeah.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Kristen Wiig was great in her role as Cheetah as well, but I felt they should have just

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: concentrated on one and not both because the threat level that either one of them

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: posed to Diana was enough to carry the film on its own. Yeah. Okay. And I felt like having

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: both of those villains working simultaneously off of each other without really knowing that's

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: they were doing. Um, that, that was really, yeah. Yeah. That's a fair critique. I'm glad

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you're not one of the haters. No, no, no. That's a fair critique. Yeah. It's ranked

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: higher than me, but I really enjoyed the, like I said, the, the, the villains and their

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: character arcs, they were really good, but I just feel like they could have,

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it should have been one or the other. It didn't need to be both. And I took it,

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it took away from the film having both of them simultaneously causing problems for

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: our heroine. Yeah. I like them both. They're like my two favorite parts of the movie. So

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I liked the movie more for having them together, but I feel like what you're saying

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_05]: is very fair in terms of taking away from each other. What's your number 10?

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: My number 10 is the flash. So I already it's, it's ranked as high as it is because of the pathos

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and because of Sasha Kelly. Okay. All right. Yeah. And what's your number nine suicide squad?

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. So that's, this is the original suicides. Yes. The Will Smith. Yeah. Yeah. What year was

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: 2016, 2017, 2016, I think. Yeah. Yep. 2016. Yeah. I thought that was, it was a fun,

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: it was a fun movie. It was cool. It was a cool movie introducing, you know, Amanda Waller and

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, her role in the DC universe and what she's done and how, you know, she's formed,

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, this group of super villains that she's making do things under duress.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I really thought it was cool. I thought some of the characters that they introduced were cool.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Captain Boomerang. Harley Quinn, of course, was great in this, you know, and

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I liked Will Smith as Deadshot. You know, I just thought the movie hit on in a lot of ways. And

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the, I guess the final battle was really cool. It was really cool. I thought,

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: what is her name? Who played? Oh yeah. The model. Cara Delevingne,

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: something like that. Yes, yes. Yes. I thought she was great playing June, June Moon. And you know,

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: when she transformed into the Enchantress, I thought it was really nice. It was really a

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: good transformation. The characters look cool. You know, everything about the movie just

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: resonated with me and I just thought it was a good movie. Yeah. No, yeah, I think that's

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I have it even a little slightly higher, but like you, I have the newer Suicide Squad above that.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_05]: My number nine is the Justice League theatrical cut.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. So I mean, I guess we, you know, we talked through that. I think it's,

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_05]: it just, it was one of those ones it's up, it's there with like the Defenders crossover on

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Netflix where it's like, oh yeah, we're getting all these characters together and oh,

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_05]: okay. Yeah, okay. But it was still, it had, you know, it still brought all the characters

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: together and like I said, I liked that that version had a bit more humor. So it was less of

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_05]: a slog for me to watch. So that's why I enjoy that. Fair enough. Fair enough.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Number eight? My number eight is the Suicide Squad. Okay. I mean,

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Starro. You give me, you give me a film with Starro in it. I'm like, come on,

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to, you don't have to do much more for me. You got me already. You know what

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean? And we're keeping Weasel from that film too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Weasel is

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: coming back. So yeah, just, you know, I thought it was a cool movie, man. I thought

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: they did a lot of good things. The Peacemaker and Rick Flagg fight was great.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Ratcatcher was, you know, just wonderfully disgusting. So yeah, just really enjoyed the

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: movie. And again, to see a character like Starro from the comic book page brought to screen,

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just really cathartic for me. It was like, wow, we're really getting like something

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that I never thought would ever make it to the screen. Right? Like how do you even do Starro?

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And they did it. And it was really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I agree. That one's ranked

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_05]: pretty high for me. For number eight, I have Wonder Woman. And this is a film where

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I absolutely adore the first third of it. I really like the second act of it. And then

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I just, I hate the third act. I just, yeah, the final confrontation just does not work on

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_05]: so many levels for me. I find it a slog. I don't like the setting. I don't care about

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_05]: like, where's this suddenly? It just, none of it works for me on a writing or staging

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: level or as a spectacle. So that for me knocks what would otherwise be a great movie down.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I mean, it's still first two thirds are great.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Fair enough. What about you? Number seven is Blue Beetle.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Which was such a fun time. Yeah. I want to revisit that family over and over again.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the movie was, it made me laugh. It was just really cool to see

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: representation like that on screen. It was just, and it was a fun movie.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't bogged down by the threats of James Gunn. It wasn't bogged down by whether

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: if we can make another movie or not. They put their heart and soul into that movie and it showed

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: me. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it. I thought the effects were great. The suit looked awesome.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So Blue Beetle, number seven. If you haven't seen it, that's something I do recommend

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever people ask, Oh, what did you see movies? Should I see? I always recommend

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Blue Beetle. Yeah. It's an easy one to get into even if you've seen nothing or so. Exactly.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly. So my number seven is Suicide Squad, the 2016 one with Will Smith.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I just, I really liked that movie a lot more than it seems. I know a lot of people

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: seem to shit talk it and I actually think it's quite good. But I do think as the titling implies

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: that it feels like sort of a rough draft of the other Suicide Squad that came later,

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: which is why they have that other ones ranked more highly. But I, yeah, I liked the ensemble here.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You've got, you've got Harley Quinn in peak form. You've got, I just, I think overall it was a good

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: line up of people, just a bit not as fully realized as the other version. Okay. Yeah.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Number six. My number six is Birds of Prey. Hey, mine too. That movie

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: was such a blast. Yeah. It was a blast. It was a blast. It's energetic. It's full of,

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, great spots, great moments. I thought the acting was wonderful.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Just really, really good stuff. I like seeing Black Canary. Yeah. I really wanted the Black

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Canary spinoff that teased. I really wanted that. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been great.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Black Canary, who else was in it? Renee Montoya, just really good stuff. Yeah.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Huntress and just, you know, all these characters with great backstories,

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, and it just meshed. They just meshed well together. Like the story itself was,

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: was, you know, Harley in her bag. You know what I mean? Right. Like she got to be

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the ultimate Harley Quinn in this movie and that was fun to watch. Yeah. That's why it's,

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I like it for the same reasons I like the Harley Quinn TV show because, you know,

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_05]: so the subtitle of Birds of Prey is The Emancipation of Harley Quinn or something like

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that. I think there's even more words in it, but it's about her like finding her own identity

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_05]: away from the Joker, which is a story that carries over from she was a side character

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_05]: for the Joker to begin with and she had to break out on her own and just as the way many

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_05]: female characters had to do. So yeah. So you feel all that in this film, but also she just

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_05]: gets to be her complete madcap. Harley. Yeah. Sexy, silly, all the things, you know,

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_01]: unapologetic Harley. Yeah. And it was a blast to see, blast to watch. It was a great team up.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I like that team. I want more from that team. James Gunn, are you listening?

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be nice to revisit some of these characters with some of these same actors

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: playing the characters, right? So. Yeah. So what was your number five?

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Peacemaker, the TV show is my number five. Again, this was another, it was dark and humorous.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There's some left out loud spots in this TV show. It was violent. I don't necessarily

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: like Peacemaker, but I did like the ensemble cast that was assembled

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: for this film, for this TV show. Like the side characters were really vigilante. Yeah.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean all of them. Yeah. Yeah. It was a blast to see those characters get some shine.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? Yeah. So I just thought that the explaining Peacemaker is

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_01]: in selling it. That's a difficult task. I was, when I found out, you know, I like

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_05]: the Suicide Squad. You'll see, I haven't even said it yet. But when I found out that Peacemaker

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_05]: was the character they were spitting off, I was like, really? That's kind of the one I'm least

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_05]: interested in. And then you'll see where Peacemaker ranks on my list. But they

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_01]: knocked it out of the park for me. Because he is not a likable character.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like him as a character in the TV show. I don't empathize with him at all.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of, when I first started watching the show, I kind of rooted against him.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Bad stuff happens to him. Good news. Yeah. And I kind of more was rooting for the side

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: characters. You know, like John. John, what's his last name? Yeah. He's the Argus agent.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: What's his name? John Economos. Yeah. Economos or something like that. Yeah.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Clemson Mearn. I was rooting for those guys. Vigilante. I was so sad about

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Mearn dying. Oh yeah. Did we save spoilers for all of these? I'll drop a little spoiler

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_05]: warning at the beginning, but it should be implied, right? Yeah, it should be implied.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But still. So yeah, I was really looking forward to watching those characters and I got invested

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: in their stories as they rotated around Peacemaker. So I thought the show, if it did

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that for me, then that's successful. You know what I mean? Because you have a hard time,

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: at least for me, buying into the character of Peacemaker.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Hmm. Well, that's why I thought the show did it so well, because they did actually make me,

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_05]: he's still a jackass, but I understand a bit more why he's a jackass and still

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I have empathy for him. You mileage me very, but yeah, I don't have empathy for Christopher's.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I, and I think my lack of empathy is justified

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: when we watch the suicide squad. Yeah. Well, that's why I was like this character,

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_05]: this is who, but this is, I guess, you know, James Gunn who directed the suicide squad.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_05]: He was asked if you want to do your own show, what character? And this is the one he was like,

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the one he's like, yeah, I think about his story in the shower. Like why is he the way

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_05]: that he is? And you can see that this is a character that really got James Gunn's brain

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_05]: going, really made him think about what makes him tick. And so it really explores that.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And what makes him tick isn't great either. Don't get me wrong. I know that he was

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: wronged and I know that, you know, he had a terrible upbringing, but I still haven't seen

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_05]: a character that rises above that. Hmm. I mean, do you think there was growth in the

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: minimal growth? I don't know how much growth though. I don't know how much growth.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want him to grow too quickly. No, no, definitely not.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: For the comedy, you know. Right, right. And then, you know, it's,

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: he's an uncomfortable character to root for, for me. And I still have this ranked as my fifth

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: favorite enterprise in the whole DCEU.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_05]: He's still a better person than Vigilante, his sidekick.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah. You don't have to be. But I still love Vigilante.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a low bar. That's a low bar. He's terrible, but I adore him.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a low bar, man. Come on. He's better than Vigilante.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man. What's your number five?

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of villains, I've already said that this, yeah, this is one when I say that it's in my top

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_05]: five people are yell at me, but I don't care. I feel the way I feel. It's Wonder Woman 1984.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And my only real problem with this is that you just have to like forget about the fact

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_05]: that, you know, they're stealing somebody's body for a while in 1984.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even get into that part. I didn't even get into that part. That was wildly problematic.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but compared to these all sorts of other things that happen in superhero movies,

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_05]: is that really even the worst? It's not the worst, but it's problematic.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: He gets his body back safe and sound. It's problematic. Let's just leave it at that.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. No, this is true. This is true. I do not deny that, but I,

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_05]: everything else about it, I just think it was a fun, good time. And I, like I said,

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the villains for me. The villains made the movie.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Right. I can agree with that. I can agree with that.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Your number four?

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: My number four is the Snyder Cut of Justice League. You know, the reason,

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: there are many reasons why I generally, I enjoyed this film. I thought it fleshed out

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: things that needed to be fleshed out from the theatrical release. I really enjoyed Cyborg's

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: added story to this. I didn't feel the way that you felt about it,

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that he lost his agency in this. I think he gained agency by going through what he went

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: through. So I really enjoyed his growth and his journey in this film and watching it happen,

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: which is something that I missed in the theatrical release. My thing is, when it dropped,

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I was, we were in the middle of the pandemic and I remember, you know,

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: texting with friends like, yo, they say they're going to drop Justice League Snyder Cut.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We were all watching it, right? We're going to watch it. We're going to watch it. We're

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: going to watch it. We're going to watch it. We're going to watch it. We're going to watch it.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I know it's four hours long though. I know it's four hours big. I'm like, oh my gosh,

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: this is going to be amazing. I'm in my house, you know, working from home. The world has

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_01]: basically stopped, but I've got the Snyder Cut to get me through. That was one of the moments

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: for me during these last, during those years that really made things a little bit okay.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Watching this film from the comfort of my home with my laptop on, you know, stealing

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: glances as I rewatched it while I'm at work, you know, I was lucky enough not to be

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: a frontline worker. I was able to, you know, work from home and be there with my family,

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but also be satiated by this movie that took up a lot of the oxygen in the room

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that I was feeling with the angst around everything that was happening outside.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. I can't avoid that. I can't take that away from the film.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Honestly, that's probably one of the reasons why I like Wonder Woman 84 as much as I do

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_05]: because that was also, that was a pandemic beginning of the pandemic movie when we were

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: in lockdown. It was just like me and my cat, my cat had just died and it was, yeah.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And Wonder Woman. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, I just can't,

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: when I think about that movie, the context of me watching that movie plays a role in how I view

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the film. Yeah. That makes sense. So that's why it's number four for me. Okay.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Amongst that I just like the movie itself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's like great

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: spots in the movie, you know, at the end, Steppenwolf getting the crap kicked out of him,

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: his head cut off and just, you know, really cool spots for me. The race between, you know,

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Clark and Barry, just things that really hit. But again, the timing of its release

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: for me holds a lot of weight in how I feel about the film. Okay. Okay. What's your number

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: four? My number four is Blue Beetle. I just, yeah. Basically what you said before just has

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of heart. It's a fun film, really likeable characters. And we do have it confirmed

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that they are one of the most recent announcements is they're making a Blue Beetle TV show

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that will be a soft reboot, but with the same cast. Yes. So that's exciting. Thank goodness.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. Cause I want to spend more time. I mean, I'm not saying it's a perfect film by

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_05]: means. Um, but I didn't, I didn't hate a second of watching it. You know, some of the jokes are

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of choosing stupid, but I laughed. Yeah, I did. I laughed and that's, you know,

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think it's okay, you know, to have that sort of humor in the film. Yeah. So

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that was nice. Yeah. It kind of has a younger pitch than a lot of these are,

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, the darker more serious. And this one is, I would say it's a more family-friendly

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: film because literally it's about family more than anything else, more than superhero,

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_05]: which is interesting. If I'm looking at my top films, it's a lot about, I love a found family

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_05]: trope, but this one is about real family. Yeah. It's really not the found family isn't

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: real. You know what I mean? Yeah. But this is really, really something, um, again, then I

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: go back to like, this is a nice look at a family dynamic, you know, multi-generational,

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: which we don't get a lot of in our films in general, you know, grandmother, parents, uncles,

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, like it reminded me of my family, you know, cause my grandmother lived with us.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? My, yeah. So it was just, it was just a great, great movie to

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: showcase that part of our world of this world. And you talked about the, you know, the

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_05]: importance of the visuals, this one, the visuals really worked for me with the transformation

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_05]: and everything. It was just, it was the right amount of like creepy and cool and otherworldly.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And the reactions to the transformation. Right. It's a funny film. Oh, see now I want

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: to go rewatch it. Yeah. Yeah, you should. So my number three is Aquaman. Okay. Yeah.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Aquaman for me did what it was supposed to do. It made a character that people laughed at,

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: a character that people didn't laugh at anymore. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I thought

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Momoa was just, he was just great in this. He had like this, you know, he's just nuts.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like a, you know, I'm looking at this guy and I'm like, this guy's, this guy's,

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's nuts. I think he's, I think he's, you know, he's like out of control.

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And it worked. And it worked. It wasn't cheesy at all. I thought again, the underwater shots

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: were great. I just really, I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the battles in it. I enjoyed his,

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: character arc in this first film. And I really, really recommend it for anyone who's,

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: who hasn't seen anything in the DCEU. I think Aquaman is one of the ones that you should

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely go out and try to watch. Yeah. That's a, it's a fun one. Visual. It's a fun movie.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Great way to put it. It's a fun movie. Yeah. Your number three. Well,

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: before that, I was going to say that, um, I, at some point we got to do with our comics versus

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: we got to do Aquaman versus Namor or Namor. It's they're apparently pronouncing it in the MCU.

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But, um, I was just thinking, I know Namor comes first in the comics, but I don't think

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: we would have gotten him in the MCU if not for this Aquaman, the Aquaman movie. Yeah.

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_05]: You're probably right. You're probably right. I think that's a really cool addition to the

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: MCU. So I think that's something, yeah, we'll talk more about the versus idea that we're going to be

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: implementing later this year later, but soon. But, um, I think, you know, these two Marvel and

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_05]: DC, they do copy each other a lot and like tongue in cheek openly often. Um, but they do

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_05]: in some ways inspire them to make each other better and more inventive. Like when they brought

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Namor and Namor on screen, they're like, okay, well we, we can't make it too much like Aquaman.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So they decided to ground him in this, um, indigenous, um, yeah. Was it Mayan or Incan

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Mayan, right? And I think it just makes it all the much cooler. And yeah, yeah, I think,

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, especially with James Gunn at the helm, you know, with his Marvel experience and everything,

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that these two properties can continue to drive each other to be elevated. I hope.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the hope. Fingers crossed. Yeah. Um, so my number three is the Suicide Squad,

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: the more recent one, the James Gunn one. And I just, yeah, that one just, it works for me

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: on every level. I loved the, I love a team up with weirdos. Um, I loved this particular

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: brand of weirdos and then also how there was like the fake out, you know, with the first

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: group and they're just mowed down dead and they're like, Nope, here's the real team.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_05]: What? Um, I just, yeah, Staro, uh, the interactions it was, we got some peak Harley Quinn-ness.

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I just, uh, the story works for me. What's his name? The shark, uh, King shark,

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: King shark. Yeah. Yeah. I thought this was the my favorite. I've seen him in, in like, uh,

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_05]: animated series and things like that, but this is definitely my favorite iteration of him. I,

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, just really felt for him. Wanted to give him a hug and make up your friends.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. But it was also really bad-ass and bloody and you know, everything you would expect from

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: a movie called the suicide squad. Uh, yeah, it, that just really was firing an awesome

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: cylinders for me. Uh, what's your number two? My number two is Wonder Woman. Okay. I,

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: everything that you said, um, about the two thirds, the first two thirds of the film,

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree with. I think it's a wonderful movie. Um, I didn't like the ending. Um,

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: cause I, it didn't feel as epic as it should have been that final battle of Hades. It just

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't hit the way that I thought it would. Um, but everything preceding that

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: was just, yeah, it's a great movie. It's a great movie. It does the backstory of her

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: really well. Um, that part's great. It just, her leaving Themyscira really well.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The reasons why she left just really hit. Um, I just, yeah, just, it was really good.

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the writing was really good to me. Um, just seeing Amazon Island, the way that they

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: portrayed it and having all the characters and, and the training and just, yeah, it was just a

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: really good movie. And I really enjoyed it. And I watch it, you know, I go back and watch it.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's on TV and I see it's on TV, I watch it. So the replay ability for that

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: for me is really high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My number two is the one that I was saying

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I watch every year. I watch it every Christmas. It's Shazam. And I just love,

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: there's just so much hearts in the family aspect of that movie is really what makes

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: it work. And I would say, you know, um, you said you like the family stuff more than

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_05]: the superhero stuff, but yeah, when I, and it's true, I don't really think of like the,

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess, yeah, I do think of the final battle, but it's about how the family

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_05]: teams up to beat it. And then before that, like when they're training, it's about how

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: they train together and this brother bonding they're forging.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Not about their powers per se, right? It's just about them as people,

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: as, you know, as siblings, how they relate to one another and things of that nature.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was really, it's really well done stuff, man.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I just find it really well written, just the, um, the emotional journey of this

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_05]: character and the drive and, and you know, it's not, uh, oh, and you found mother and now

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_05]: fairy tale. It's all over. It's like, no, you know, sometimes you go looking for something

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and you find out it's not really what you needed all along. And you've actually found

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: what you really needed along the way. Right. And just from a filmmaking perspective,

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a lot of great filmmaking details that in terms of like just peppering foreshadowing

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: the script and, um, the directing and I just, I really love that film. So, yeah. And they left

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_05]: it, I was so excited for the second one and then I watched it. And like I said, I, I give

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: it more apologies because I loved the first one so much, I'm more apologetic about the second

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: one, but I have to admit, I was like, Oh, when I watched the second one, yeah.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. But the first one, I will continue to watch it every Christmas. All right. Okay. Okay.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. What's your number one? My number one movie is man of steel.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_05]: All right. All right. Sorry. I ranked it so low. I mean, I'm not gonna,

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to say anything about your ranking. Why do you love it? Yeah.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Man of steel for me was almost a perfect superhero film. People can argue with me all they want to.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You can tell me, Oh, oh, but it's super bad. He doesn't kill.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Go cry to your mama. How about we do that? Go cry to your mom. Cause I don't want those

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: tears. I don't want those tears. I just absolutely love, love, love this film.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Cavill was perfectly cast. I think so too. He did such a bang up job as Clark and

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Superman. The dynamic between him and Lois was great. Him finding himself, finding his powers,

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: finding who he is, having the Jor-El voice in the background of the story.

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Just it just hit on so many markers when he flies to the desert and he's just hovering

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: right above the ground. That shot is just like, and the cape is flowing.

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a beautiful shot. It's just, there are so many things, so many

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: moments in that film that are just wonderful to view, to see.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I just really, really enjoyed the movie. I really enjoyed the story that they told,

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the little differences that they had in their Superman, in his background, in his upbringing.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Him going on this journey to find himself instead of always knowing.

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was really a nice twist on the character.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for it. I was here for the battles, the action sequences were sufficiently

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: awe-inspiring when Kryptonians are fighting humans and their speed is something that you

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: don't know. You don't expect somebody to move this fast and before you know it,

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the blink of an eye, you're gone. That realism, that hit. That really hit.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Zod was great. I just loved everything about this movie.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: When we find out he lets them put the handcuffs on him, like,

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah, you go ahead and put these handcuffs on me. Go ahead.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he just calmly snaps them in the interrogation room while he's reading

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: people's name badges. Yeah, man. I love this movie. I watch this movie every year.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. Okay. My number one is Peacemaker Season One. For me, I went in with no expectations

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and it blew me away in terms of the writing, the humor, the relationship building, the action,

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: the story twists. Obviously, they got me with the intro music every single time,

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: never skipping that. I remember it was one of those ones that I went around and made my friends

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_05]: rewatch it and then watched them rewatching it. My friend had the audacity to skip

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_05]: the opening song once and the entire room's like, what?

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Apparently we're getting a new one for Season Two. Yeah, it just, I cared about every

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_05]: character and of course that's not necessarily fair to compare considering they had a season

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: of television versus just one film, which yeah, they had about four times as much length

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_05]: to do that. But everything about it was both smart but also the best kinds of stupid,

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: like that whole opening thing with him hooking up with this girl and then it turns out that

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: she's a butterfly. That whole sequence was just, I mean, I was hooked in from the very

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: beginning and they just kept with new reveals. They just kept making me care about different

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_05]: characters, different parts of the story. I was just locked in for every single thing and

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_05]: the Season Two of that is one of my most anticipated shows, which for anyone who's

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_05]: wondering Season Two, we are getting a Peacemaker Season Two and it's going to

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_05]: spin off of Waller who was in the Suicide Squad movies and that. But these are DCU,

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: even though Season One is DCEU and no, I don't really know what that means either.

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, I don't know. I don't know. It's branding, I guess.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they said the DCU is one of the execs said it is a quote broad but not blanket reset

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: of the DCEU. It feels like a pretty much a blanket reset. But we're still getting all

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_05]: the Blue Beetle cast, we're getting all the Peacemaker and Suicide Squad stuff.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they're just kind of- They're keeping all the stuff that Gunn likes.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, fair enough. Luckily, the stuff that Gunn likes is the stuff that I like.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_05]: That you like. I mean, I guess the major thing is that they are recasting the

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_05]: big biggest names. So we don't know, for instance, if Zachary, Levi or Levi,

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: however it's pronounced is continuing on. They haven't announced that either way. Actually,

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I have a bet with someone that's at large about that. But they are recasting the Justice

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: League characters basically. Right. So Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. I don't even know if we're getting Cyborg now.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, yeah, I guess this opens it up too because for anyone who doesn't know,

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the actor who played Cyborg in the DCEU was very unhappy with his treatment by the studio

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: and basically he was like, I'm not coming back. So now I guess maybe they will recast

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: now that they're recasting everybody. Right. But I don't know if Cyborg is part of the story.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. No, so far not announced yet. Right. So he may revert back to being part

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: of Teen Titans if they do something like that. But Flash is getting a new character,

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: new actor, super girl unfortunately. Yeah. I love Millie Alcock.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So if you're going to recast, that's a great one, but it didn't need to be.

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't need to be. Not to me as well. I thought Sasha was really good.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect. Yeah. A new take.

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So, you know, and I'm interested to see where they go with the new characters,

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the new actors, the new stories. I'm hoping that they don't try to revert to what,

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I hope they're not risk adverse with the main characters.

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Yeah. That's my fear.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Because for everything that we can say, whether you loved it or you didn't

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: love it, whether you liked it or you didn't like it, the DCEU took risk. And

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: if we're just going back to the plain old vanilla that, you know, comic books and a certain

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: segment of the fandom expect, then that is going to be very disappointing.

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So other than the characters we already discussed are definitely coming over,

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: are there any other DCEU characters, the castings that you would want to carry over

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the new DCEU? Interest Elba, of course.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. No, I agree. But Suicide Squad, that is a more likely one to.

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So I hope that we get those same actors playing the characters. Aldous Hodge,

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: he has a place. I don't know if it's going to be Hawkman because, you know, again,

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure they want a Black, because I'm not sure they want a Black Hawkman.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, but he was like, everyone agrees that he was the best part of that movie.

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. They might want something that's, you know, Carter Hall that

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: looks like the Carter Hall from the comics. I don't know. Because that's sort of the vibe

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that I'm getting. Like we want comic. With the Supergirl casting?

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like comic accuracy. You know? So, but he, I think he has a role in the DCEU

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that he can play. I know we're getting Mr. Terrific is already coming.

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they might recast because there's been rumors that Jason Momoa, who played Aquaman,

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: might be recast as Lobo. So they might. Right.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't know if that's true, but there's been a lot of talk about it that it seems likely.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So they might do some more of that. We'll see. So yeah, just I just don't want them to

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: not take the risk. I don't want them to try to adhere to what some fandom parts of this fandom

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: want because the risks are what, even in the failures, I can appreciate you taking a chance.

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to take, I don't want to not like something because it's vanilla.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Right. I mean, if I look at like my list of rankings, it's often the ones where I thought

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_05]: they took the most chance that are the ones that I ended up liking the most.

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. But if you look at Man of Steel, the reason why people don't like it as

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: much a lot of folks is because they feel like he's not Superman. Because you know what I

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: mean? Like Snyder took a risk. Yeah. And his portrayal.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that doesn't matter to me. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But not your in your assessment. But I'm not what I hear. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah.

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and the complaints that I remember folks having was that, oh, this is Superman

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't do this. Superman doesn't do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like,

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I don't want them to shy away from taking a chance on something.

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll see. Yeah. All right. Well, we're going to talk about more of that. We'll see,

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_05]: including the elseworlds projects that are immediately opening up that we're going

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: to be covering and then also the more about what's exactly coming up in the DCU after a

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_05]: quick break. Okay, so we talked at the beginning of the episode about how the elseworlds

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_05]: properties are basically anything that's not DCU or DCEU is elseworlds. But we have

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_05]: a couple prominence. Well, one's a sequel and one's a spin off that are coming up hot and

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: fast. And so we're going to we're talking about doing a one shot for one or both.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess we'll have to figure that out. Yeah, yeah. They're they coincide with our

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Agatha coverage too. But so first up is well, actually, first up is the penguins. So the

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: first episode of the penguin, this is the spin off of the Colin Farrell character from

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the Batman movie, the Matt Reeves Batman version of the movie. So this is not part

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: of the DCU. This is an elseworlds. It's its own universe. And yeah, there's going

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_05]: to be an eight episode limited series on HBO starting the first episode September

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_05]: 19th. And then they're doing the second episode 10 days later on the 29th and they're

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_05]: going to release on Sundays after that, which is kind of a weird weird. Yeah.

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, it's going to wrap up right after Agatha and there will also be in the future

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_05]: a second Batman movie. Matt Reeves is hoping for a trilogy that follows the Robert

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Pattinson version of Batman. But I don't expect him to show up in this show. I

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_05]: think he shouldn't. It's just going to be like the gangster life of Colin Farrell's

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: character. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I thought Farrell

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: did a great job in the movie, which if we were ranking, it would have ranked really high on

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: my list. Batman, that Matt Reeves Batman, Pattinson's Batman would have ranked really high

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_05]: on my list. Okay. I don't love that one as much as some people do, but my favorite part

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: of it was I was blown away by Colin Farrell. He's not in it even that much, but I found

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_05]: him unrecognizable and just like a fresh, more realistic take on the Joker. Penguin.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Penguin, sorry. And so when I heard that they were doing this, yeah, I heard they were

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: doing a spinoff. I was like, I hope it's a penguin. And then they're like, it's a penguin.

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I'm very curious and looking forward to it. They haven't been doing that much promo

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: for how quickly it's coming up. Yeah, I know. It's like, it's almost like word of mouth.

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It's really weird. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's just the HBO dropping the ball on the marketing

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: side in general lately, but unless you're House of the Dragon, right? Right. But then

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the other one that's coming up while the Penguin is airing is the sequel to the Joker,

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Joker Folie Deux. And that's releasing on October 3rd here and I guess the fourth

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_05]: in the States. Yeah. And so this one is, it's a sequel to the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie.

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And this is again, it's its own universe apart from the Batman, apart from the DCU

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and everything else. And Lady Gaga is joining as another version of Harley Quinn and it's going

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_05]: to be a diegetic musical. So basically it's not like people suddenly break into dance on

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_05]: the streets or it's like everything, all the music is part of the plot. So maybe there is a

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: hallucination of some of them breaking into dance on the street. I don't know. But the songs they

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_05]: sing are just like them actually singing them together in character in the movie.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It still looks dark as ever. Are you excited for this one?

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Luke Worm actually. I'm Luke Worm on it. I didn't think that we needed a second

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Joker film with the way the first one ended. And I really enjoyed the first one. So I'm kind of,

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: now I'm not, I'm going to see it. I'm not ambivalent towards it, but I just didn't know

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: if it was something that we needed to have. I'm interested to see how they do this whole

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: musical business, what that entails and how it's done because it can be really good or

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: it can be really bad depending on how they try to pull it off. So that's one of the things

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that I'm more interested in seeing is if they can't pull it off.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. So this one is I thought that the first movie was very good,

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_05]: but I didn't enjoy it because I just, it was so relentlessly grim where I was like,

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I just don't believe that not a single person in the world was ever nice to this man. And I

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: would have, if they had done something like showed where he misinterprets even the people

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_05]: who try to be nice to him. Right. If there had been more of that, then I might've bought

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: into it more, but it was just kind of like, Oh, this is so depressing. I didn't, it's really good

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: movie, but I didn't enjoy watching it. And so when they were like, they announced the

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_05]: sequel, I was like, Oh God. And then there, they said Lady Gaga is going to play Harley Quinn.

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I'm listening. They're like, and they're going to sing. I was like, well,

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: God damn it. I mean,

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and I've been thinking about this for a little bit. Like is the Joker, the void of Batman,

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the Joker. Right. So I know we're supposed to refer to, we think he's the Joker,

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_05]: but is he really the Joker? Right. Oh, you said you mean like not even just like in a

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: philosophical way, but is he actually, yeah. Is he if, if Batman is not in opposition,

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: mm hmm. Like if Batman isn't the arch nemesis, if he's not the,

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing that the Joker is lashing out against, right? Nemesis society. Right. Um,

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if that makes him the Joker. Hmm. But I guess it, when you do a darker

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_05]: take on the Joker, like even if I think about Heath Ledger's Joker, which remains untouched,

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_05]: the all time greatest for me. Um, if you, yeah, when I think that it is actually about

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Joker versus society and Batman is like the figure representing society in a way,

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, he's the one who gets in the way of the Joker taking his revenge on the world

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that's been so cruel to him. But it's more, you know, thinking of the, of the,

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the stories in the comics. It's not, is Joker and Batman is the relationship.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like as much as Harley, as much as Harley is a, and, and Joker early on is in a relationship,

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: she's really the third in his eyes. Yeah. If that makes sense. Well, they actually,

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, I, that's one thing I love about the early seasons of Harley Quinn is they do

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_05]: go into that when they talk about how her and the Joker's relationship falls apart.

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Falls apart, right? Because she's really the third and I'm left wondering,

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's one of the questions I had with the first film. Like, okay, I get it, but does this,

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: how does this, you know, make him, how does this change him if Batman isn't there?

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Like does that matter? Right. Does that matter in the formulation? Does that matter in

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: his thought process? Does that matter in how he views the world? So in the film, it feels like

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: all of that stuff is already baked into the Joker and Batman is just something that drops in

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: eventually. Whereas I kind of feel like it's the other way around.

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean? No, I completely get where you're coming from. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I'm going to be interested to see if they can yet again pull off a Joker story

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that is devoid of his true romance. You know, I kind of want to see if they can do it.

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_05]: If there's a third, they would introduce another Batman, but I don't know if James Gunn would allow

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: it. There's enough of Batman. Right. We have enough of Batman.

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. So we'll see if they can do it. We'll see if they can do it.

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So yeah, I look forward to seeing how both of these turn out.

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, these are both continuations of established, of things that have already

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_05]: done well. So that gives them some solid ground to walk upon. But yeah, I'm looking

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: forward to talking about them with you. And then we have in December our first project of the new

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: DCU. So written by James Gunn himself, who's also the show runner and it's an animated

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: series again, because you know what? DC does animated really well. They do.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It's called Creature Commandos. So this is really my kind of show. It's a monster team up

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_05]: following the events of the first season of Peacemaker, Amanda Waller, who's like the

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: suit basically sending them around behind the scenes. She's no longer able to put human lives

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_05]: in jeopardy for her clandestine operations as she did with the Suicide Squad and Team

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Peacemaker. Instead, she assembles a black ops team of monsters consisting of Nina Matsurtski,

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Phosphorus, Eric Frankenstein, The Bride, GI Robot, and Weasel, who are led by

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Rick Flag and both the Weasel and Rick Flag are the actors who played them before reprising their

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: roles. Right. So yeah, we have Sean Gunn as the Weasel, Viola Davis and Steve Agui also come back

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_05]: as Waller and John Economos. So are you familiar with this group at all from the comics?

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Individually. Yeah. Yeah. Individually. I was, I didn't really read a lot of Creature

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Mando comic books growing up, but some of the characters definitely I'm familiar with.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see if this is so obscure. Right. And like you said earlier, you know,

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: this is part of what James Gunn kind of was hinting at. He wants to, you know,

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: do these characters that maybe people don't know about. But like I said, right. But like

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I want those characters, you know, not to just be animated. Right. Can we get

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: those characters, you know, those stories being told on screen? Yeah. I get why they chose

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_05]: animation for this one with them being all monster characters. Yeah, definitely. It makes

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: sense. And like you said, they do animation really well. But I was surprised when the

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_05]: first trailer dropped. I was like, oh, this is animated. I don't know. I don't think I

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: said it was going to be animated. So yeah, you know, we'll see how it comes out. I'm

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: interested in it. I will watch it and we'll talk about it. But again, it's just, you know,

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they're not taking, I'm glad that they're taking a risk with characters that

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: people are not familiar with. You know what I mean? And hopefully this gets, you know,

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: more people drawn into it because those characters are different from the ones that

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: we already know. Introduce new, you know, things into the pantheon and, you know, see if it hits.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is a great idea. And because a lot of the animated stuff is how people got

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: into some of these characters. Yeah. Yeah. And so we've teased a bit our comics versus

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_05]: episodes, which are, it's going to be basically us pitting a Marvel characters against DC

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_05]: characters that are similar. And one of our first ones is definitely going to be,

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_05]: well, obviously we want to introduce you to this team before the show starts. So

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_05]: we're going to do this team against one of my second favorite Monster Marvel team up

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_05]: is howling commandos of shield. But actually I think we should do for this team up the Nick

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Furies, howling commandos version of the team, just a little bit of more similarity

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and composition. So we'll talk about how and when did the teams form and their keys,

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: story elements and stats. And of course, who would win in a fight?

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be interesting.

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're going to start with a big name team up. We've been talking about behind

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the scenes. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Listeners, you're going to have to listen.

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It'll unfold first. We've got a lot of Agatha and else worlds to get there.

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I get through. I'm very excited about these things. So then, okay. Speaking of big

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_05]: names, the DCU kicks into full gear with Superman, which is set to release July 11th

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_05]: of 2025. So I think you're excited about this one, aren't you?

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Or no?

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited. Full disclaimer, I really enjoyed Cavill as Superman.

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get it.

[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was bummed that he wasn't continuing in the role in this new DC iteration.

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was bummed by the way he was treated.

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like that either. I guess that kind of gave me bad vibes about James Gunn.

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Hence, my apprehension. If you couldn't tell, I'm a little bit apprehensive about the

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: direction of the DCU. But it's Superman. I'm going to be there first day or second day in

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it. I have high expectations for it because it's going to set the tone for what Gunn wants to do.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And if it doesn't hit, that's problematic.

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you rarely get a second opportunity to make a great first impression.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I mean, I think I have mostly positive feelings about it. Like I said,

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Superman's not necessarily the character I get most excited about. James Gunn is writing and directing himself, which he's putting like he really cares about this.

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I wish they had gone within a less generic title, but the cast is really exciting.

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know David Cornswett really who's playing Clark Kent, but he looks perfect.

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I have to assume that he's got the persona and the acting chops.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But I love Rachel Brosnahan who's playing Lois Lane. She was Mrs. Maisel.

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's great. I'm excited. My biggest worry about the film is maybe they're throwing

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_05]: in too much. We're getting so many. They're introducing a version of Green Lantern. They're

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a lot of characters they've promised in here. Lex Luthor, of course.

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't know to what extent those characters are going to be.

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It could be just teases for.

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. You know what I mean? But I'm hoping this is more Brightburn than Guardians of the Galaxy.

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. You know, I showed Brightburn. I really like Brightburn and I showed it to a group of people

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and years later they were still like, oh God, who chose that awful evil Superman movie?

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: What? That was a great awful evil Superman movie.

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm not saying it should have been film of the year, but I know.

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: No, but it was totally enjoyable. And I don't mean when I say more Brightburn,

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to have Superman go evil.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's not what I'm saying. But I appreciate, I don't want another

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Guardian type vibe. I don't want that. I just don't.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I hope. I mean, yeah, I hope that, yeah, it's a distinctive vibe because

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I do want the DCU to be its own thing. And although, I mean, I think like James Gunn,

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_05]: remember he also did the Suicide Squad and I think that's, I think this is going to be a bit

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_05]: more like cozy than the Suicide Squad. I don't know, but the vibe.

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The Superman, but. Guardians and Suicide Squad,

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_05]: what's the difference with the vibes? You don't think that there's a difference?

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I think that's. Not really.

[01:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, okay. Not particularly. I don't think there's

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that big of a difference in how the teen dynamic goes, how they function.

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't. I don't want this Superman to be

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Peter Quill type of facsimile. That type of hero.

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that would be a wrong, that would not be very Superman.

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even talking about the quips. I'm just talking about his.

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Personality. Yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the funny quips and all of that stuff. The sarcasm. Not just, I don't want him to be,

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I want him to be something new and fresh. Okay.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a rehash. I don't want to see Superman from 40 years ago. We're talking about

[01:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: leaps over tall buildings and don't need all of that Americana type of

[01:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: situations with this Superman. Give me something new, a new take,

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: a fresh take, a bold take to go into the new DCU as opposed to trying to bring back vibes.

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess James Gunn is going to have to show his versatility.

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think he probably is well aware that he's going to be compared to the Marvel movies he's

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: made, but I have high hopes. So it is running, as we mentioned earlier, running the new DCU.

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's James Gunn who's like the master creative and Peter Safran, who's the one with executive

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_05]: experience and they are reporting directly to Zaslav. So this does show that DC is a priority

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: in house, which I can understand. They're like, make this franchise, make money.

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Make it work. Make it work. Yeah. Yeah. And so they've put together Gunn and Safran have

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: put together an eight to 10 year plan. So in two chapters, so not phases like, because that's

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_05]: MCU, but two chapters to start at least. And then we'll see where it goes. And their target

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: is about two films and two series a year, although we'll see how that works out.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And they already have a group of established writers working together to craft an overarching

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: story and a lower Bible. So that gives me a lot of hope that it's going to be cohesive.

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely. Definitely. We want cohesion.

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. So the first title, the first chapter is titled gods and monsters. And in addition to

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_05]: creature commandos and Superman on the movie side, it's also going to include super girl

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: woman of tomorrow. And that is slated to release June 26th, 2026. And that's the mention that

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: we've got the Millie Alcock recast. Yeah. We've said what we need to say about that.

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's also, it's directed by Craig Gillespie, who I am a fan of his other movies. So

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I am, uh, he's done like Fright Night, I, Tanya Cruella, Lars and the real girl. He's like all

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_05]: over the place. So I'm very intrigued by what he's going to bring to this.

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And we like Millie Alcock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not,

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she, she, she's a great actor and I think she's going to do great in the role.

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Right? Like I said, if you're going to recast that's a great recast. That's a

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: moving on. Um, we also going to get a movie from the authorities. So this is another

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: obs more obscure group, uh, from the comics. Uh, gun describes them as a team who thinks the

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: world is completely broken and the only way to fix it is to take things into their own hands,

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: whether that means killing people, destroying heads of state, changing governments,

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, whatever they want to do to make the world better. And he promises that this

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: film is going to have ties to the Superman film. Are you excited for that one?

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Yes, I am. Cause I think someone, they have some great characters, um, that they can play with

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and this authority. Um, they just released a new Jenny Sparks, you know, uh, comic,

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: which I highly recommend the number one from two weeks ago was really a great story. Um,

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: so you could get familiar with some of these, you know, characters early on. Um, but yeah,

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see, you know, midnighter and, um, the Mac, the maker, Jake Hawksmore,

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: all these, you know, you know, Jake Hawksmore Hawksmore, like what a great name.

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go. Yeah. Um, Apollo, you know, just really, really good characters, good representation

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: on screen. Um, so we I'm excited for this. Yeah.

[01:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. I'm, yeah, I'm excited. I like, like I said, I like the gruesome team ups. Uh,

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_05]: so yeah, this is definitely one I like, I'm excited for them bringing like fresh characters

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_05]: and like fine grade. Of course I'll see as many superhero Superman movies as they put out

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_05]: because it's almost like required viewing, but, um, I am very excited to be introduced to new

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: characters or new to me at least. Right. And they better not shy away from what makes these

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: characters, these characters, right? I don't think that's the beach between Apollo and

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: nighter. Yeah. Like they're, you know, in love in a relationship and their superheroes.

[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank God it's not on Disney then.

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So let's, let's go with the story. Bitter, bitter things to say to Disney about

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: on that front. Yeah. Let's go with the story. So let's keep, keep it. So yeah,

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really excited. I want to see this. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm excited too. Um, and then,

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the next film in the lineup, I don't know what order these are coming out after super girl. We

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_05]: don't have really states for the rest of these, but, uh, there's going to be the brave and the

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_05]: bold, which is a movie about the bat family. Um, it's just going to be directed by Andy

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Michetti who's the director of the, of the flash, which makes me go, but also the director

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_05]: of the new it's movies, which makes you go home. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be, and they're going to have Batman's son, Damien Wayne as a version of Robin.

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm cool with the characters, you know, I don't know what the story will be. We don't know what

[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the story will be yet. So we're waiting to see what they say about that, but, um,

[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: does not give me happy feels to know that Michetti is the director.

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But did you watch the it movies?

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I did. Does not give me happy feels to know that Michetti is the director.

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the movies are not a superhero film. No, they're not. They're two different,

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: two different genres, two different ways to view characters.

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Batman should be a horror movie. That's my opinion.

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We will argue about that.

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll argue about that.

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And as far as him directing the flash, I give some forgiveness in that. I know a lot of

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_05]: the mess that it was made of it. It's not on him. It's on all the other circumstances.

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I should give him some grace. You're absolutely right.

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: For that film at least. Yeah, that is true. Okay.

[01:48:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So the next one is the one that I'm most excited about in the film side,

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: which is swamp thing. And am I most excited about it because man things,

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: one of my favorite Marvel characters, maybe, but who cares? I want this.

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be gothic horror, a dark origin story. And James Mangold is going to be directing,

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: he calls it a passion project. So just like everything about this is like, yes, yes,

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_05]: give it to me now. Please make it next, but it won't be.

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that has potential to be really good.

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if they keep the horror elements intact.

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. Yes. That gives me great hope. So it's going to be part of the same universe,

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_05]: but I like that that gives the idea that even though these are all part of the same universe,

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: they can have different tones. And I think that that's when Marvel and Star Wars and

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: things are at their best. I think it's when they do that, when they say, okay, we have

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_05]: this sandbox of characters and world, but it doesn't mean that every project has to have

[01:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: the same sense of humor, the same genre even. Right.

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's going to be apparently a Teen Titans film, which I know I'm not as familiar with that

[01:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: group as I am. I know people love it. I haven't really watched any of the Teen Titans stuff and

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I know that I should and I will remedy that. Yeah, you should. You should live action,

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: cartoons. They're all really good recommended viewing, definitely getting in tune with these

[01:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: characters, which is why I said, I don't know if they're probably going to put Cyborg on this

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_01]: team as opposed to the Justice League. Right. That makes sense.

[01:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I'm excited for it because I know that the characters are really good.

[01:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The backstories for each of them, whichever ones they pick could be really special

[01:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to see on screen and how they come together as a team dynamic could be really nice. So yeah,

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely. But check out the animated and the live action if you get a chance.

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm definitely and yeah, I'll try to do it. I mean, they don't even have a title

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_05]: for the Teen Titans film. I think I've got a few years. But yeah, but it definitely it's my

[01:51:00] [SPEAKER_05]: intention to catch up on that before it comes out for sure because it's been on my you know,

[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_05]: one of those things I know everybody loves it. It's on my watch list for so many years,

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's just there's so much there's so much and they just keep making new things.

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't mind them slowing down the content train in general as long as

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_05]: it doesn't come at the expense of the stuff that I love and this lineup is giving me hope

[01:51:21] [SPEAKER_05]: that. Right. So then on the TV side of the DCU Chapter one, Gods and Monsters,

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: we already talked about there's going to be the Blue Beetle series is going to be Peacemaker

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_05]: season two, which is filming right now and Gunn is remaining the show runner. There's going

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_05]: to be Waller, which is tied to Peacemaker. And we have again Frank Grillo reprising his roles

[01:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Rick Flagg, senior. And then we've got something new, something there, a punching bag that

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: now ready to restore to the light. We've got a lanterns series.

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't hate the Green Lantern movie as much as most people.

[01:52:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Come on, come on. You have. I won't argue with you.

[01:52:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't hate it. I mean, I hate it. OK, OK. I hate it. I mean, I'm not saying it's good.

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So if it's not good, what is it?

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, eh. I hate that movie.

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: OK. Oh, gosh. I I if I see it on on the TV, I change the channel so quickly.

[01:52:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, even Ryan Reynolds, who is a star of it, makes fun of it.

[01:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He should make fun of it.

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But yes, so this this version, it's going to be a TV show. It's going to be two Green Lanterns,

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Jordan and Jon Stewart's not that Jon Stewart's. And so they are God for that.

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. For anyone who doesn't know, intergalactic heroes who wear rings that give them

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_05]: extraordinary powers. And it's going to be a detective story where the two of them are

[01:52:59] [SPEAKER_05]: working together to investigate a mystery on earth. And Saffron said that the mystery is

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it's going to lead into the main storyline for the D.C.U. So that's it's interconnected.

[01:53:12] [SPEAKER_05]: So is that how do you feel? Excited for that.

[01:53:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. The detective angle works for you.

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Super excited for that because there's such different they have such different personas.

[01:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Jon Stewart and Jordan be like a good odd couple.

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely. I'm super excited for this. I think it's going to be it has the

[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: potential to be really, really good. Yeah, I can't wait to see who they cast as both

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and Jon. More representation on screen is always a good thing. So I can't wait to see Black

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Green Lantern in live action. So, yeah, just super excited for this.

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I am too. I think actually I'm not like super into detective stories per se,

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: but for some reason that angle and they they I think someone threw around the word noir

[01:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'm like, OK, I'm hooked in. Yeah, I'm very curious what they're going to do with this.

[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's it seems because it's taking it's not like they're this is like an in between character

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: where it's not like it's brand new, but it's also not Superman. It's something that people

[01:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: have a passing for that fill miliarity with and they can do a lot to flesh out that lower

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: on the screen. I mean, you know, in the animated series, the Justice League animated

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: series, the Green Lanterns play a big role in a lot of those stories. So it's long overdue

[01:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that we got proper live action representation on screen for the core and for Hal Jordan

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and Jon Stewart particularly. So and given that we're going to be introduced to the

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: lanterns in Superman, it just makes sense. Right. Yeah, I'm super excited for this for

[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_05]: TV show. I do like the way that they're already promising us, you know, they've already planned

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: out like we're going to see these characters here and then flesh them out in their own titles.

[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And so that gives me I really get the sense that they are crafting an entire story, which

[01:55:11] [SPEAKER_05]: is going to make it more satisfying. Yes. Yes. And the next one is Paradise Lost,

[01:55:17] [SPEAKER_05]: which is going to be a political drama in the vein of Game of Thrones, but set on

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_05]: the mascara where a Wonder Woman comes from before Wonder Woman's time.

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm here for that. Yeah, I'm here for that. Anything involving, you know,

[01:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: mythology. Give me the mascara all day long. I'm here for Amazon's give me whatever

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: adventures they get into pre Wonder Woman, you know, back in the days of Greece, Trojan War,

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever. I'm here for it. Give me Zeus, give me Hera, give me Aphrodite. I need to see all

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: of that. And yeah, give me Hercules. Yeah, I want it all. So that's going to be fun.

[01:56:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, given my feelings about the main Wonder Woman movie in the DCEU, especially,

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm kind of definitely down for a story set in Themyscira that doesn't involve her,

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_05]: that it's not like, because the problem is as soon as Wonder Woman shows up in Themyscira,

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the story becomes entirely about her. About her. Yeah, because this is her origin story.

[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But now it's like, well, what about if we just tell the story of this country,

[01:56:31] [SPEAKER_05]: of this place, of this hidden realm on its own merits without-

[01:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Why it's hidden? Yeah. Who hid it and how does it function?

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: How does Hippolyta become queen? So yeah, I'm here for that.

[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how far before her time it'll be. I'm curious about that. Yeah.

[01:56:50] [SPEAKER_05]: If she's like shows up at the- Already queen or-

[01:56:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Or the last, yeah. And then the next one, this one is like, I've never even heard of this

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_05]: character. So I'm intrigued and curious and it'll be fun. This one's going to be a comedy

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_05]: called Booster Gold about a disgraced former football star in the 25th century who travels

[01:57:12] [SPEAKER_05]: back in time to pose as a superhero using basic future technology. So apparently this is

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_05]: meant to just like full on lean into the comedy. I'm here for it. I mean, are you familiar?

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this is my least- Okay.

[01:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the one that I'm least looking forward to. Booster Gold has never been one

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_01]: of my favorite characters because I don't like the man child.

[01:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And a lot of times he's written as the man child, like the comic relief,

[01:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: sarcastic cracking jokes, not on my cup of tea. So I will watch, of course, hopefully,

[01:57:56] [SPEAKER_01]: much in the way that I'm not a fan of Peacemaker, but I think the series is great.

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this will be the same.

[01:58:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. No, that's fair. Are there any characters that you hope to see either in any of these or

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_05]: in chapter two, which we don't know what's going to be in chapter two at all yet. We

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_01]: don't know what it's going to be called or anything. I mean, the one major character that

[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see is Black Lightning. Okay. Yeah.

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And any future of DCU property, any feature movie. I think Black Lightning and his family

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: his two daughters who have powers themselves just really. Yeah, I need to see that on screen.

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah. No, I can see that because I mean, that is definitely a character. I have a passing

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_05]: familiarity just because he's so prevalent. I know he's got a huge family.

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And he's important with the Batman family,

[01:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Batman and the outsiders. He's important in Teen Titans lore. So I really want to see him

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: on screen. Yeah.

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's long overdue. I enjoyed the CW series that we got from Black Lightning that first

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: season, which of television was really, really great. So I just want him to get his proper

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_01]: due, his family to get their proper due because they're an important part of the

[01:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: DC universe. And yeah, give me Black Lightning. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know the comics

[01:59:42] [SPEAKER_05]: like you do to pull out characters that haven't already been pulled out, but I

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: wouldn't mind seeing fresh takes on, I would love to see a new take on Bane that's

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_05]: different from what we've seen before and different from Harley Quinn and just like,

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_05]: let's just try something completely different for Bane. Yeah, I'm here for it. I'm actually

[02:00:04] [SPEAKER_05]: at the moment, I'm low key more excited about this than what's coming up next in Marvel.

[02:00:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Just because like I'm very excited about, for instance, Agatha, I'm excited about a bunch of

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_05]: projects they already had on the way that are exploring the darker side of things. And I know

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_05]: still the Vision Project and the works and things like that. And I hope that they will keep going

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: with the Marvel horror side, hope they don't drop the ball and blade. I hope there's Midnight

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Suns coming out of that and Ghost Rider. And these are all, I love all that stuff.

[02:00:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm less excited about, we've already talked about it, the Russo Brothers and our DJ coming

[02:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: back. I'm like, do we really need to pay these people this much money for something

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_05]: we've already done? But I know a lot of other people feel differently. So I hope,

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope they're worth every penny. Yeah, that remains to be seen.

[02:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. What are your feelings? Do you think Marvel should be quaking in its boots

[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: with his DCU plan? I don't know about quaking, but given

[02:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the first movie that Gunn is concentrating on, yes.

[02:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Because Superman is just one of those characters.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody around the world knows him. He's just one of those characters. And if that movie hits,

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that could be something that just totally overtakes everything else.

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad. Like I said, I think in some ways they make each other better. So

[02:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I hope that continues into the new era. And speaking of Marvel, we have Agatha weekly

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_05]: coverage coming up your way. The first episode drops on the 18th or slash, I think it's 18th

[02:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: in the US and or the Americas and the 19th in the rest of the world.

[02:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, we talked about this was one of the shows that was most one of my most anticipated

[02:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: of the year. Right. Of course, I absolutely love WandaVision. I love the witchy side of

[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Marvel in particular. I've been doing like deep dives trying to close up all of the knowledge,

[02:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: the gaps in knowledge that I have about like they have some deep cut characters that

[02:02:30] [SPEAKER_05]: they're bringing into this show. So I went and like read all their comics. We're going

[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: to do a prep episode coming up before this comes out. And then we're going to have weekly

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: coverage coming your way. You're looking forward to that as well? I am. I am. I think Agatha,

[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: especially in the way that she was written in Scarlet Witch series, I thought it was really

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: good. So I'm excited to see this character brought back in what it means for the general

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Marvel universe that this character who's really powerful, it has been, you know,

[02:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: is coming back into the fold. So I'm kind of excited to see the new characters that are

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: going to be introduced. One in particular who I don't know why Marvel is pretending we don't

[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: know who he is, but that should be a lot of fun. And yeah, so I'm here for this. Definitely.

[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, I'm excited. Yeah. When we do our prep episode, we'll talk about that character

[02:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: last for anyone who doesn't want to know. But like, I'm pretty sure we know what's going on

[02:03:34] [SPEAKER_05]: there. I don't know. And yeah, in also on this feed, obviously we've got regular rings of power

[02:03:42] [SPEAKER_05]: coverage with David, John and Marilyn, and just also covering the world of Tolkien,

[02:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: the Silmarillion stories also continue. And there are other one shots coming up in the

[02:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: future, including Alien Romulus, which you and I are both going to be on. Yeah, that's right.

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And also doing next week, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. So yeah, we're getting in the,

[02:04:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I like to call September pre spooked over. But of course, in October, we are going to have

[02:04:13] [SPEAKER_05]: some also spooked over coverage, namely on the lorehounds feed there's going to be,

[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: we're going to talk about the poltergeist and the remake.

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Some other things we're talking about. Yeah. So we've got, we've got also rings and rituals is

[02:04:31] [SPEAKER_05]: on break as is properly Howard, but we've got radioactive ramblings is back there doing

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: intermittent episodes. They just did the boys coverage and I think there's going to be some

[02:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: more fallout lore coming. The Star Wars canon timeline podcast. I'm in the middle of

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: two episodes that Marilyn and I did talking about folklore in the old Republic in star wars. So

[02:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you'll find that on the star wars, canon timeline podcast feed and we'll shift dust

[02:05:01] [SPEAKER_05]: on the, in the book club. We are doing all the book coverage of the silo series ramping up

[02:05:07] [SPEAKER_05]: for the new silo season is going to start November 15th, but then also yeah, in October

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: on the public feed, Luke and I are going to be doing the dune book breakdown. And

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: we also have a new podcast member of the affiliate family. So starting September 10th

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: is when they dropped their first episode is called nevermind the music. You can

[02:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: already find the feed with a teaser episode in it, which I thought was excellent.

[02:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And they basically, they dive into like just different popular music, but from the angle

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: of irreverent academics. So making lots of jokes, but also talking about, you know,

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_05]: neuroscience and young in collective and consciousness and things like that. So,

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, really, really fun one. There's an episode in the lower Hounds feed,

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_05]: introducing them. So watch out for that. And yeah, Sean and I, if we've got our hands full

[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_05]: with comic book coverage in the next few months, the house gets you covered on everything.

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. So let's, you know, thank you for listening as always. And we just,

[02:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, this is so much, so much fun getting to break these things down with you guys.

[02:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And then get into talk about it on the discord. So join our communities,

[02:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: be on the lookout for new things. Quick, let me do a quick promotion here.

[02:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Check out my comic book list of the things that I get pulled weekly.

[02:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so yeah, we're here for you guys. And I'm glad that you guys are here for us.

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: By the way, on the day of recording the Kelnock comic came out today for star

[02:06:46] [SPEAKER_05]: war fans tying into the acolyte. So I've already read it. I think I came away with

[02:06:53] [SPEAKER_05]: misty eyes. Of course it's the acolyte. It's like I'm top of it. Um, yeah. So,

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, definitely check out that comic and I'm going to be covering that in some capacity on

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: the star wars canon timeline podcast feed. Let you know about that, but you can find links to

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the discord to all these affiliate feeds to email and which again, you can email

[02:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Laura Hounds, the Laura Hounds.com. If you want to send in feedback, uh,

[02:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you'll find a link tree in the show notes with links to all of that. And also as always,

[02:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: there's the super cast and Patreon where you can get early ad free access to episodes,

[02:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: extra episodes, including second breakfast and 11 Z's where we do an extra movie breakdown per

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: month. And it's looking like this month's movie will be prey the predator movie.

[02:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Um, and you'll also find show guides for the biggest shows,

[02:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: like rings of power and other little extras along the way. And, um, yeah, to thank

[02:07:52] [SPEAKER_05]: those who helped make all of this possible. All right. I pulled up some random music

[02:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: that's from the Epic folder. So let's see what this sounds like.

[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: The Epic folder. Let's go.

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: The Epic collection of music.

[02:08:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, yeah. Thank you to our discord server boosters, Narls, Aaron K, Tiller the Thriller,

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Dork of the Ninjas, Doof71, CaptainGingy56, Athena Agilea, Adrienne, Tina and Listoo.

[02:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And thank you to our lore masters, Samarshian, Michael G, Michelle E, David W, Brian P,

[02:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: SC, Peter OH, Bettina W, Adam S, Nancy M, Doof71, Brian8063, Frederick H, Sarah L.

[02:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And we will make sure there's more music. Here we go.

[02:08:43] I'm sorry.

[02:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Garrett C, Eric F, Matthew M, Sarah M, DJ Miwa, Andra B, Quang Yu, Jedi Jedi Bob,

[02:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Nathan T, Alex V, Aaron T, Sub Zero, Aaron K, Dally V, Mothership61, Narls,

[02:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Cathy W. By the way, for anyone who doesn't know, Narls has to always be referred to as

[02:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Listoo, Jeffrey B, Alyssa Yu and always last, Adrienne. Thank you all so much.

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You are the people who make this whole enterprise possible.

[02:09:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I don't know what's our final word. I give you the final word, John.

[02:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Go watch Man of Steel.

[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Go watch Blue Beetle or Peacemaker of Unseen. All right. Bye.

[02:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Take care.