MCUniverse: Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) reactions + Comic Con news

[00:00:00] Welcome to The Lorehounds, I'm Alicia and I'm John and this is the MCUniverse breakdown of the 2024 movie Deadpool vs Wolverine. The end of the Fox Marvel Universe. We've got another lorehound on the line right now also. Hi John. Fourth wall break.

[00:00:46] He'll be joining us for our hot takes in a special Comic Con segment of Marvel News. And then Alicia and I will get into the full film breakdown covering all those core cameos and how the characters and lore introduced in this movie might affect the MCU going forward.

[00:01:02] Then stay tuned at the end for a look at Marvel and other comic coverage coming up plus what else is going on in the network. And as always we want to hear from you about this movie and everything else Marvel.

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[00:01:34] And spoilers for this movie and basically anything and everything Marvel begin now. So before we get into the Comic Con news, which yeah there's definitely some things to discuss, the movie that we are here to talk about is Deadpool and Wolverine produced by Marvel

[00:01:54] and maximum effort in 21 laps and distributed by Disney. So this is a film that started development under Fox Marvel and then was you know when Fox Marvel was absorbed by Disney Marvel yeah the rights switch properties and they

[00:02:12] made this film to sort of quote unquote as Jean and I made a funeral for it you know to kill off the Fox Marvel universe and yeah that's why I some of my friends who didn't

[00:02:23] know this stuff is like it was funny I went with some friends and they were like some of them got the like character references and some of them got the industry references but then not the other. What was what was your experience watching it guys?

[00:02:37] How who did you did you have a crowded theater were you there with like friends family? I was solo it wasn't very crowded at all actually because I went really yeah because I did the first thing in the morning.

[00:02:52] Oh okay that'll do it purposely avoid the crowds yeah so yeah so the few people that were there you know at the appropriate times we all you know laughed and gasped right

[00:03:09] and did our exclamations and things of that nature so it was it was a it was a cool experience. And what about you John? I went on a Friday night at nine o'clock. Okay alone alone but I was I was with Jean really in my heart right

[00:03:27] and we were together in a way and it was the most packed I've ever seen that movie theater now the theater itself was not super packed but also I went to go see it in screen x which is I

[00:03:41] guess a new thing that regal's doing where you know imax like expands up and down vertically well screen x is like in post they take whatever other camera angles and they put it in like it's felt like 720p.

[00:03:57] Yeah they used to do that like way back in in like the 20s they used to do what was it like a panoramascope cinemascope something anyway yeah. Well that was that was what I was watching I would not recommend it was like it didn't detract

[00:04:12] but I never felt the need to look left or right because it was so low resolution that it would just take me out of it. Oh wow yeah. I was kind of baffled by how low resolution it was actually.

[00:04:22] Yeah I mean I guess because it wasn't filmed that way so they had to like do some. This is regal doing its post whatever thing but I mean it did again it didn't detract from the

[00:04:33] movie and I liked the movie enough to come on an mcu podcast so right you know basically paradox scooped me up and said your your podcast is dying will you come to this other podcast.

[00:04:45] I mean not only that but you afterwards you came back and like started watching well you started watching the x-men animated series which is also a tribute to x-men 97 um yeah yeah you're

[00:04:57] now I'm finally getting into marvel yeah and then I tried to read a comic and then all that did was make me go read the one piece manga but uh you know that's okay fair enough fair enough I think

[00:05:08] jean's gonna help me get into comics and so are you yeah we'll get actually alicia you sound like you have some more similar taste than me because john john wants it all yes I mean for me like I

[00:05:20] said with the comics is that I I go in with a specific in like there's a character I want to read everything about or you know or a series that sets up a specific whatever like for instance

[00:05:32] for agatha um people might want to read the scarlet witch comet which is wrote which you know and then maybe based on that you're going to want to read more agatha comics and blah blah blah

[00:05:42] you know you just end up going down because then they'll reference other comics in the comics you know it's like the mcu and then you're like well now I need to know that whole story fair enough

[00:05:53] yeah as yeah I saw it by accident in 3d oh oh boy um and actually I'm really glad that I did because I didn't realize that it when I watched it in 3d I was like oh this was totally filmed

[00:06:07] to be seen in 3d which is why opening night in the I went to the dolby screen we have imax here but I just it's too far outside the city and it's just a pain um it's not outside the city it's just

[00:06:18] in a far away part of the city um so yeah so we went to dolby and I didn't even realize until right before we were going that it was 3d um and can I ask you did you wear your glasses

[00:06:32] of course no I mean like your my seeing glasses yeah yeah yeah I have to I always was it cumbersome because that's why I never go to see 3d movies yeah well so I I do always double up like that

[00:06:45] and this one because it was a dolby 3d they were actually thicker glasses so they were a little bit more annoying than the regular 3d glasses um and so the only reason it was I always get used

[00:06:54] to it really quickly and then I forget about it but the only thing is like they were slipping down my nose because there's like the double thick bridge right so I was like shoving them up my

[00:07:02] nose the whole uh movie but that's it that's the only bothersome thing about it for me ever since I saw spy kids 3d when I was like 12 years old I've not wanted to go to a 3d movie because of

[00:07:15] the glasses yeah I think the regular ones have gotten I actually have special I have uh branded of pate which is the it's like basically the regal or the amc of this part of Europe at least

[00:07:29] um I have branded 3d glasses that I got for free because I go to the movies a lot um and they're like aviator glasses I think they came out around the time of Top Gun Maverick oh

[00:07:40] goodness yeah I was very nice I feel fancy you should feel fancy with the logo I feel fancy for you this is awesome all right well I've interrupted you with 3d talk so what what else you got oh no

[00:07:53] just uh so this one I did I usually go to the movies by myself because frankly like my friends just aren't as obsessed with movies as I am which is normal um and this is like the one where I'm

[00:08:05] like okay I'm cashing in my chips come see this film with me so I got uh four of my friends in the end to come with me so I got a really uh there's a big variety of like experience and

[00:08:16] it was cool to get all their opinions on the film like one of them had never seen anything before oh a total newbie yeah well like she watched Deadpool earlier this week because of this you

[00:08:29] know oh wow okay yeah that was the other thing that stuck out to me is that I didn't watch Deadpool 2 didn't feel lost at all yes okay yes yeah you don't need to see the characters like

[00:08:41] Peter shows up in Deadpool 2 yeah I didn't get the Peter thing but like I just took it as a gag of like oh everybody has a bestie Peter and so they're all yeah they're all fans yeah yeah you

[00:08:54] don't need to see the other movies to enjoy this movie no no you don't you don't you can enjoy it on its own because everyone took away different things like you know that friend she was like

[00:09:03] like when the whole um Chris Evans thing happened and he went flame on and everyone cheered and and clapped and stuff and she like leaned over to her boyfriend she's like what am I an occult

[00:09:16] I hear him yes you are it's pretty funny that's pretty funny that killed me too I mean we're not I guess we're not in hot takes yet right no okay well so I'll set it up with uh so this film was

[00:09:30] directed by Sean Levy, Sean Levy anyway uh he's got a really varied portfolio everything from like Night at the Museum to This is Where I Leave You most recently Free Guy and The Atom Project both

[00:09:39] of which star around Ryan Reynolds so yeah Ryan Reynolds is definitely the one who like made all Deadpool movies including this one happen so I think he handpicked a lot of people um it was

[00:09:50] written by a whole bunch of people Sean Levy, Ryan Reynolds, Rhett Reese, Paul Wernick, Zeb Wells and writing duo Wendy Molyneux and Lizzie Molyneux-Lauglair and um yeah this is a film that famously

[00:10:03] reunites Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine um so it's it's like a revisit a redo of Wolverine Origins which everybody hated this one people did not hate it had a Rotten Tomatoes score of 78% positive reviews from the critics 97% positive reviews three stars are up from

[00:10:24] uh the audience general audience Metacritic always a little more conservative 56 from critics 7.9 from the audience and where do you guys think this falls on the pequila scale this one goes oh it's like 105

[00:10:45] we have to make a new scale for this one yeah it's definitely off the scale it is something else here but yeah it's R-rated but it's um broke a whole bunch of records this weekend so it's now

[00:10:59] officially the number one R-rated movie of all time everywhere in the world beating Deadpool 1 it's the sixth largest opening overall of all time in the U.S. biggest global opening since Avatar the Way of Water biggest opening for both stars and the director highest July opening

[00:11:16] weekend in the U.S. of all time beating The Lion King highest domestic opening weekend of 2024 and highest since Spider-Man No Way Home and a whole bunch more records that it's broken um making

[00:11:28] 444 million worldwide 211 in the U.S. so yeah this film is definitely going to pass a billion quickly enough I think that's amazing yeah and with this MCU's now grossed more than 30 billion

[00:11:44] in total uh from a combined total of 34 official MCU titles so this doesn't count the Fox stuff or the Spider-Verse and stuff and it's now the highest grossing franchise of all time

[00:11:54] yeah this is this is mind-boggling yeah it truly is it truly is I I was looking at those numbers and just you know wanted to think to myself why you know out of out of every movie why this one

[00:12:10] at this time so it's really uh interesting um deep dive it is the member berries to be honest and yeah maybe maybe humor people just want to have fun and remember better times

[00:12:27] what do you think john what's your hot takes my hot take is that this movie is a Deadpool Wolverine movie in name but it is really a eulogy for the Fox universe when I was a young boy

[00:12:45] uh pulling up a chair I'm gonna I'm gonna be an old man now here I was I think five or six years old when the first x-men movie came out I don't think I was allowed to watch it when I came

[00:12:56] out but by the time x2 came out I was nine and so that was prime you know primo x-men are our cool age I had grown up going to Chuck E. Cheese and playing the x-men arcade game I was always

[00:13:09] nightcrawler for the record and I just I always thought they were the coolest heroes I think x-men more than any other part of the MCU really in capital encapsulates what is different about

[00:13:23] the MCU or Marvel in general than DC because it shows how flawed the heroes are you know are they heroes or are they just people trying to do their best and I think Marvel has a lot more of

[00:13:35] that than DC. DC has these like deified heroes mostly as far as the big hitters yeah agree and and so I loved a lot of the x-men stuff you know I a lot of the stuff that makes us cringe now

[00:13:50] I didn't pick up on I was five to ten years old right like and and looking back on it and being able to be like oh wow oh look blade oh look Electra you know all the all these all these

[00:14:02] callbacks really did hit me in the nostalgia button in a good way because it's not like they're just bringing them back as some kind of cheap boy it's just hey this was a great project

[00:14:14] and this was fun and just like they do the the credit scene time of your life you know uh that's it we had a great time with it and it's okay if not everything was a heavy hitter but we had a

[00:14:25] great time I'll be honest the credit scene made me tear up and I I think I'm the only one of my friends who felt that way but it did vary based on how connected we were to these other films

[00:14:36] that were being referenced yeah I mean everyone enjoyed it but some of us got more of an emotional hit out of it right yeah and then as far as the actual Deadpool Wolverine stuff uh watching the

[00:14:50] bye-bye-bye scene immediately like I walked in I was really tired when I went there because I went at 9 20 I had a week of work and a heavy week of podcasting and and uh child care put them

[00:15:02] to bed and then I'm like all right do I want to go see a movie I'm gonna go see a movie get in there and he starts picking apart Wolverine and throwing his bones and I'm I'm right back in

[00:15:13] right like it was really a great icebreaker I thought because you have to be in a certain mood to enjoy a Deadpool humor and it got me there it got me there so great performance by Ryan Reynolds

[00:15:24] I love all the I think the industry jokes made me laugh more than yeah more than the uh franchise jokes like right the whole Feige said we can't do cocaine can you can you chill wind out can you

[00:15:36] chill uh great stuff great stuff and then just mentioning it as much as possible and and at the same time I I really love making fun of the multiverse because that is the thing that has

[00:15:49] most turned me off about these last couple phases and maybe I'm just not the target audience for that and that's okay I think I was the target audience for this movie this had all the nostalgia

[00:15:58] for me this had you know this this went through my childhood and early adulthood as far as movies and uh and now we get to say goodbye to the fox universe and hopefully goodbye to some strands of

[00:16:12] the multiverse I think I might be paradox I think I you know it's it's funny because he's supposed to be the villain but half the time I'm over his shoulder going do it do it you've been practicing

[00:16:25] the Sith voice too much it's bleeding into your persona yeah I like the multiverse but you know I know a mileage may vary Jean what did you think what were your hot takes um this was fine yeah

[00:16:41] as you guys know I'm not I'm not a Deadpool fan um I'm really not a uh a Ryan Reynolds fan um so you know those two things coupled make the Deadpool experience something that is not uh

[00:16:58] that I'm not the core audience for right um okay the movie itself was it was it was a good movie you know I will not say that it wasn't I thought it was a great movie I thought um there's a lot

[00:17:11] of fun spots in it um a lot of laugh out loud spots in it some of the humor was just you know it got a little bit too much for me um okay at times but it would just it hit all the notes that

[00:17:27] it was supposed to hit um I was kind of disappointed in in the ending because it didn't end what I wanted it to end everybody's kumbaya around the table and I wanted everybody

[00:17:41] to be dust I'm not gonna pretend that I didn't want to see the end of all of these characters um but it was cool to to see Wesley Snipes as Blade you know for me that was the high point

[00:18:00] of the movie to see Wesley you know suit up again and then that line when he says there's only one blade that you know it's you know things like that because for me that's the the start of the

[00:18:15] comic book movie in truth it's not Batman it's not Michael Keaton for me it's always going to be Wesley Snipes and Blade and to have him come back and play that role really was really um that that

[00:18:29] was cool that was cool um you guys know I love the Electra movie so I like seeing her I like seeing yeah yeah yeah you know that's one of my movies and I like seeing Electra there again um so yeah

[00:18:44] those notes of nostalgia like John said hit um and I don't think it was overdone you know you could you could do too much with it and this was not too much this was just right um so yeah I

[00:18:59] think it's a very enjoyable movie not everyone is going to like it though you know it's not for everyone because the humor I mean and the violence are yeah definitely definitely hard

[00:19:10] with a boner joke or 20 yeah or 50 or 100 um so you know something though that I just wanted to bring up yeah this discourse is there was a um a comment on reddit that struck me somebody said

[00:19:26] the Deadpool of this movie seems less cruel than the previous Deadpools oh maybe I mean I guess that should make sense because he has even though he seems the same he has been showing character

[00:19:41] growth and this was the of the three movies probably most focused on his character growth maybe no probably probably anyway sorry sorry John for interrupting no no I think that's that's you know that's true actually it probably was the least cruel Deadpool and it's to your point

[00:20:02] Disney's ruining Marvel art so and um one more part that that got to me you know they got to the dad in me you know my my eight-year-old now he just turned eight

[00:20:17] and this past um school year he did a a dance they you know his class did a dance and it was all cool and they danced to different songs and the closing of the show was bye bye bye

[00:20:35] so I'm sitting in the theater watching this ultra-violent bye bye bye but flashing in my mind is my kid dancing to bye bye bye and I'm like you know it's to to have you know when a movie can

[00:20:54] keep you in but also take you out of it in a good way yeah that's a good thing you know that's a good thing and it's not like I said that's not going to be everyone's experience because

[00:21:04] everybody has a different experience with the song but for me it hit because I'm watching the movie and I'm enjoying it but I'm also thinking of my kid dancing to this song which is so cool when

[00:21:17] a movie can make you you know feel different notes of emotion and I think in that one scene that was really really special for me so um yeah I recommend this movie again this is somebody

[00:21:33] I am not a Deadpool guy even in the comics um but if you enjoy this irreverent type of comedy um if you like really great action sets um and if you you know it's a cool story at that you

[00:21:52] should go see this film yeah yeah I think the music was especially well used because it's not like I'm not a pop music person per se so it's not really the stuff I listen to of course I know

[00:22:05] the songs but they were just perfectly choreographed and used at the right moments and just heighten the humor of all of the different scenes that were used in yeah I think the cameos

[00:22:15] were really well deployed like especially the two standouts for me uh is of course the the flame on just that reveal of like where we're all like oh we know it's cap and even though I knew

[00:22:28] that it was more likely going to be the Johnny Storm version oh I knew oh I knew yeah but I forgot for a second just because like the way they showed his like his arm showing with a costume

[00:22:41] I was like no it's not cap I said nope nope it's not cap like I knew it wasn't so well done it was so well done and the other one is you guys know that I'm a Gambit girly and um I was always sad

[00:22:54] that we never got this Channing Tatum Gambit movie so I love that I'm not I mean here's I'm like wait wait let me finish let me finish okay so they gave that to me and like scratched

[00:23:07] that itch from you know 20 years ago or whenever that was supposed to take place 15 years ago and they also showed me at the same time like okay I don't that's not what I want though

[00:23:18] but I thought that he did it perfectly and I loved you referenced um what is it on the podcast or something you referenced the line who's your dialect coach it was it was I feel like we're missing important exposition

[00:23:40] yeah the humor there's something for everyone in the humor even if there are way too many dick jokes for me um I just realized that that part of the movie wasn't for me uh but there

[00:23:52] was still so much else for me to appreciate is one of those ones I felt the same about it that I felt about Spider-Man No Way Home where I was like this is a really fun watch I'm glad I saw

[00:24:02] it in a theater I recommend anyone who hasn't who's waiting for streaming I think the best experience is going to be a shared experience in the theater yeah um I gave it four stars out of

[00:24:12] five yeah so solid movie and I just came out of it thinking like everyone's gonna love this and I'm so excited about that I just can't wait for everyone to react to all these all this stuff

[00:24:24] yeah and to add to that I did see it in a theater that was probably like half to three quarters full and just having people laugh along with me was really nice especially I think one of the biggest

[00:24:37] laughs the whole time was after they're supposed to die and then they come out to and I don't want the world great great moment yeah and sorry and Tom won't scam then going fuck

[00:24:56] yeah so a funny story about my theater was absolutely packed it was completely sold out because it was opening night in Dolby um in the center of the city but yeah I had one friend who

[00:25:07] canceled the day out so he gave you can just do that you get you have a signed seat in in the theater you can give your ticket back but then that sees open so a random person took that seat

[00:25:17] and then was sitting in the middle of my friends oh no and my one friend came in late and didn't know that we didn't know him he's just like oh new face okay whatever it starts like trying to talk to

[00:25:27] him and the guy's like I'm not with you people that's like totally on cue for the movie though yeah yeah and then he when he left he said to my friend have a nice life

[00:25:39] it's really funny yeah so okay so I know Jean you are not a Deadpool fan you're not a Hugh Jackman as Wolverine fan no uh did this movie change any of that no you were just no okay

[00:25:54] because he doesn't say bubs no no I could do without the bubs I could do without it I just I'm I'm just I'm ready to turn the page on you know and we'll talk about it um coming up

[00:26:13] I'm ready to turn the page you know do you think that we'll actually see him regularly because I don't I don't think so I don't I don't think so maybe he'll pop up here

[00:26:21] again I do think this means a delay that I'm a little bummed we're not getting in a new Wolverine soon it looks like but okay okay let's let's play this out through secret wars okay we could get the

[00:26:32] Cavill ring yeah exactly I you don't want that either no I don't want that I'm not a big Henry Cavill I don't want that either I'm not a huge Henry Cavill fan or whatever like I don't have

[00:26:45] I don't know um I have no strong feelings about the man but right uh he I he that was a fun that was a fun cameo for me that was a surprise I did not see that one coming I was disappointed

[00:26:55] about Daniel Radcliffe not being in it that would be a good comic actor yeah yeah yeah I really did enjoy making um making Hugh Jackman short for the comic that was that was probably my favorite Wolverine because that was your little guy

[00:27:20] I said oh that that was dropped that the heavy of my knees that that was great that was great but um it hasn't changed my opinion it hasn't changed my opinion um Jackman can go uh

[00:27:36] Ryan Reynolds he's going to be around so I'm stuck with him you know it is what it is at this point but yeah I'm ready to turn the page on on these characters and the people who play them um

[00:27:48] and I know that's not going to happen until maybe post-Secret Wars um run is over uh which is what three four years down the line yeah 2027 allegedly right so that's that's what it is it is what it

[00:28:03] is I'm not gonna not see the movies of course but um yeah it hasn't changed my mind on on the people playing these characters no okay what about you John what do you what were your feelings about

[00:28:14] these two characters going in and did this change it at all I'm sorry the I was looking forward in the outline and I zoned out first can you tell me which two characters Deadpool Wolverine

[00:28:27] oh the main ones yes um I do like Deadpool I do but I only have movie Deadpool like I've never I've never read a Deadpool comic I've never gone but I think I tried to read a Deadpool comic and

[00:28:41] I was like the fourth wall breaks don't work for me in a comic like I need I need you to be able to look at the camera to me and and do it the proposal and so Wolverine I mean I always really

[00:28:54] love the Wolverine stuff and I do love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine much to John's John's uh my chagrin yes yeah chagrin every time I hear that word I think of the Twilight series where

[00:29:05] she was at about like 6 000 times but anyway the point is I did like both of those characters going in I was unsure about bringing Hugh Jackman back after what was a perfect ending with Logan and they pulled it off I liked them making it a completely different Wolverine

[00:29:24] um I liked that he was not like a pristine superhero he was an alcoholic he was haunted by whatever he did in his universe you know coming back and he's drunk and everybody died

[00:29:37] and I thought he I thought he just matched Deadpool really well I thought that they played well together their jokes were great I love the the car fight scene like I'm gonna fight you now

[00:29:48] that was really fun um and and one thing that somebody pointed out that I saw was that Logan is the only one who's ever gotten Deadpool to shut up yeah he he got him to shut up and say I'm

[00:30:01] gonna fight you now and then they just fight he didn't have a quip for all the critiques he was like you know what that one hurt and we're gonna fight I'm gonna fight you now yeah I didn't think

[00:30:11] about that you're right I have uh one of my friends I went with who's I would say like I don't know medium low medium Marvel fan uh but he said you know that he liked the previous Deadpool movies

[00:30:24] because that was like that this darker take that was fresh for him but Ryan Reynolds really started to annoy him in this one and he was really anytime a character told him to shut up he was like

[00:30:33] yes please but I think that was kind of part of the point right like he was annoying the other characters and the other characters were like can you take this seriously for a minute and and you

[00:30:43] know one of the reasons that I like Deadpool I think is I I try not to be like Deadpool but I'm just saying this one thing of like trying to be trying to put comic relief into serious situations

[00:30:57] that's something that I do perhaps too much maybe right but you know we're talking about a serious show and I try to make a silly joke to break up the tension and then and then we but then we go

[00:31:06] back to like a more profound discussion right about more serious discussion and I think that is at Deadpool's best that's what Deadpool is Deadpool has depth but uses humor to spice it up and deflect

[00:31:20] sometimes yeah I don't see the depth quite honestly I don't see the depth in the character especially in the movies I think I think we could all relate to especially when you're a kid just

[00:31:35] being like I just want to matter you know I think that was that's a powerful theme is I just want to matter one thing that these movies nail with the taste which I know comes from Ryan Reynolds

[00:31:45] because he's a through line through them is just even though they're tasteless jokes there is taste in the humor just the way it's deployed you know it's uh the timing is on point you know the

[00:32:00] choosing the perfect word even if sometimes it's like a bit like I'm like okay let's stop being kindergartners for a moment you know what kindergartners are you hanging out with I don't hear them using that kind of language wow

[00:32:18] yeah sure middle school is edgelord humor you know what I mean um yeah but just picture like an army of five-year-olds going around talking like that philly has a reputation now I grew up

[00:32:28] in the suburbs but um but no I think that you know despite sometimes it's some elements of the humor as I said already are not for me and that's fine but I can see that there is taste and talent

[00:32:43] in the way that it's used that was my point and that's why they have the popcorn buckets yeah you know my favorite wolverine moment though is when um uh so I am a pet person but when he's like

[00:32:57] making out with the dog I'm like that's too much I love Peggy but that's too much Hugh Jackman's face looking at it was my favorite wolverine moment that was pretty good dog pool was fun in general can I ask you did we all know

[00:33:10] that Tom Wamsgam was British the whole time um I did yeah yeah because I I at first I was like the who was your dialogue coach like this sounds like a terrible English accent and then I look it up

[00:33:24] and I'm like no that's your real voice and succession fooled me oh my gosh no he's talented I mean I don't think yeah I mean I'm good for him playing this part um is fun but you know

[00:33:38] it's not gonna hold a candle to Tom Wamsgam are we gonna are are we all surprised that they didn't do any kind of reference to the famous Wamsgam bachelor party shenanigan no because I know

[00:33:56] because I think that they didn't assume that it was a huge overlap in audience okay okay because I just felt like that was something that fit right into Deadpool's humor yeah you would think they

[00:34:06] would make like one succession reference but no yeah just just like a little wink at the audience I thought yeah funny you did something like general like or maybe there maybe there was and I

[00:34:18] well yeah his his plot in succession gets to a point where I I have pretty high tolerance for like shock value but it got me I was like oh my god but could they have done it isn't succession

[00:34:33] like a uh well maybe curiosa yeah yeah I was surprised by that yeah yeah that's true that's true I didn't put that in the notes anywhere it's good you brought it up because people are

[00:34:43] asking like is there a link something with Marvel I'm like nope I think it's just the Furiosa came out this year or I don't know where they just were like look at this wasteland it

[00:34:52] reminds me of Mad Max it's funny that's funny I yeah I I didn't watch Furiosa I didn't understand the references but I I laughed anyway mostly because other people around me weren't laughing

[00:35:04] and I was trying to fit in as a human I mean but there's not much to get like they did like the the car parade with the crazy cars and and they said with something like Furiosa you're queen or

[00:35:15] something anyway yeah um so any more cameos or moments you want to shout out before we get into the comic-con news I I just loved I loved the joke about he is ruining the budget about Chris Evans

[00:35:32] right after he died that killed me that was perfect and that was such a cool kill too I was so surprised yeah that was great that was great that was great they de-skinned him they brought

[00:35:44] him in for like a day that was super awesome I I just I I thought all the cameos were well done it's hard for me to say one was the best out of them all um the only reason like you know again

[00:35:59] like I said earlier it was Wesley for me just because of you know the the importance for for me of Blade um but everybody's gonna have good like do they hold up the first two we watched them

[00:36:13] I've watched them recently I actually I didn't the first one oh and by the way Ryan Reynolds is in them we should point out so that's kind of the connection of why Wesley Snipes showed up here

[00:36:22] um because it's not a Fox movie uh but yeah um I've re-watched them and I think the second one is by far the best what do you think Sean um yeah I I kind of lean towards the second one but

[00:36:36] the first one to me is also the classic sets the template because there's so much that goes on and that first scene the disco scene by itself is just you know like the club scene that's just what

[00:36:49] you know everything that comes after is based on you know that fight scene and so it's just really there's just just so much in Blade that yeah I think if the first two hold up the third one not

[00:37:02] so much I'll be honest even though I re-watched them fairly recently like a year ago I just don't remember what happens in the third one so yeah take from that what you will yeah exactly exactly

[00:37:15] so yeah yeah you can watch the first two I think so what what moments got the biggest uh biggest reactions in your theaters I think I already said was the uh don't want the world

[00:37:30] the whole the whole thing where they come back was really good for my audience I think yeah what about you Joe Chris Evans Flame on yeah yeah the flame on did yeah yeah the flame on it's always like with sometimes

[00:37:46] with these movies the audiences are especially in the Netherlands like um infamously at concerts people don't dance as much as people would like um so yeah there can be a tepid response at first

[00:38:00] and the flame on moment was when people started letting loose they're like all right we're into this okay yeah yeah no my theater was rowdy from the beginning I think whoa yeah I think there were

[00:38:09] a lot of like high school and college kids in my theater like I actually I was I was on the line because I needed like something caffeinated before I fell asleep because I was so tired

[00:38:18] I was on the line for the concessions and behind me was a high school couple where the guy I was very invested in this drama the guy was definitely trying to get the girl to pay

[00:38:28] for both of their concessions and uh but like not he wouldn't outright ask for it so he was like oh just leave your car with me and go get the seats yeah yeah it's fine it's fine

[00:38:39] and uh it was but he said it like five times and I was I was very invested here I was I hope I hope they both found justice fingers crossed so John you said you wanted to ask for

[00:38:52] comics Rex um I know Jean in our prep episode for this movie you were talking about the sorry Krakoa right yeah the X-Men Krakoa era is basically it's the last five years of X-Men

[00:39:06] comics just five years oh just five years that's okay I'm reading one piece right now and it's like a 20 year long so yes the the last five years of the X-Men um they get everything that

[00:39:19] they want and what what does that mean you know what does that mean how do they get it how do they hold it how do they lose it um so if you want to start anywhere start with like

[00:39:29] powers and house of x um it's a combined 12 issues that shows you exactly that lays out what the Krakoa era for X-Men comics is all about um well it's cool I think especially it might be

[00:39:43] interesting for John it sounds like I haven't gotten a chance to start reading here but you definitely got me to put it on my list Jean um but yeah what's especially interesting is that um

[00:39:54] it's it sounds like like if Genosha from X-Men 97 worked had gone a different way yeah it worked oh that's interesting I like definitely it definitely is that is what if

[00:40:06] Genosha had actually worked yeah so I think what I'll do is I will I'll look up the first um or Jean you send me the first um like the first issue that you would start with for that and

[00:40:22] I'll link it in the show notes for anyone who wants to get into more X-Men reading okay cool yeah that'd be good and I also yeah because I tried to read zombie wolverine and that was not

[00:40:31] going for me I was yeah I tried to read it and that that whole arc was you know it was part of a greater it was part of a greater whole but that part of the whole was not working yeah I was just

[00:40:44] like you know I I like the Phoenix stuff like even X-Men 97 made me go huh this Phoenix stuff seems interesting and then I read that and I was like this is just not yeah but the Phoenix stuff plays

[00:40:58] a key role in the Krakoa stuff you were saying right the Phoenix force well at the end at the end okay the end at the end in the beginning it does not but at the end definitely there's a huge

[00:41:08] role for the Phoenix um basically it's a repository for every mutant that ever existed that exists right now and will exist is a part of the Phoenix and Jean Grey embodies all of that

[00:41:26] just to show you where she's at and on a power scale in the comics which is totally different from what we get on screen right well yeah I guess we saw briefly in the old animated series

[00:41:40] so yeah you'll have to report in John about uh your what you think of the old animated series I have to say it gets good in like season three but you know what I again I am a One Piece fan

[00:41:53] and so I'm totally fine with like like I literally said to somebody the other day like man this arc at episode 500 is just right absolutely insane everybody should watch it but you can't get to

[00:42:05] that arc without watching the first 400 episodes right right so uh not that it's not good before that but I know I'm sure there's gonna be good moments of X-Men before that I've watched the

[00:42:16] first episode so far yeah I was just because here's the thing I really need to I my problem is I get excited about different things and then I start five different projects and I don't finish

[00:42:25] any of them with watching so I'm going to finish One Piece before I start any other big franchises no that makes sense that makes sense okay all right that makes sense but just for everyone

[00:42:37] go ahead Alicia no I'm just trying to like casually finish all of Star Wars but yeah so I feel your pain but so what were you saying Sean finish all of Star Wars we'll see we'll I mean not

[00:42:49] just canon for now and so just just really quick for for John and anyone else getting into whatever comics you get into you know they'll have stories they'll have overarching stories

[00:43:02] it's not contained to just one comic like you know what I mean like the X-Men era of Krakoa for example there are many different X-Men comic books within that right they're all telling a story from

[00:43:17] these characters within Krakoa era right so you can pick up a X-Men or X-Force or Wolverine comic of the last five years it's not gonna say oh everything is about Krakoa but it is you know

[00:43:33] what I mean because they're living in that age at the time that the comic book is being written so any comic that you pick up from the last five years let's say for X-Men will have those beats in

[00:43:44] it of the overall story but there's also individual stories that they're telling within those comics as well okay right yeah I tend to get into the weirder side of things like I rather and only read

[00:43:58] the X-Men main comics where it overlaps and I'm like way back in history most cases except for Midnight Suns I'm caught up on Midnight Suns because I love them but then you know I end up

[00:44:08] like oh who's Kushala who's Kushala by the way is freaking awesome she's a 19th century Apache demon rider sorcerer supreme and then so I'm like okay I gotta read every comic she's in

[00:44:23] or you know when the what if thing last year got me reading all the 1602 comics which are like the you know Avengers and all that but set in 1602 I love one of my favorites of all time is the

[00:44:38] Storm origin story which now suddenly I'm not I'm forgetting the name of it but it's about her childhood in Chiron stuff and yeah I love I yeah I love Zoe Laveau is one of my new favorite

[00:44:52] characters she's like and so that got me into Strange's like Academy and then I started reading more Doctor Strange comics because of it it just ends up hooking in through each other so

[00:45:03] and shameless plug on our little Marvel Comics corner there is a top 10 X-Men comics that you should probably read that I put together a nice tidy little list yeah so yeah check that out on

[00:45:15] the discord under Marvel Comics and that's in that thread I'm excited yeah and what was I gonna say about oh yeah and I also got into the Nick Fury's Howling Commandos via Hitmonkey which got

[00:45:32] me really into Vampire by Night but this is appropriate because Jean and I might have to talk about that versus DC's Creature Commandos in the near future that's gonna be fun yes all

[00:45:44] right all right any final thoughts John before we let you go about Deadpool Wolverine X-Men or anything else in the world I I hope that this is a sign of things to come and I joke about

[00:45:59] you know you know killing off the multiverse and I'm not saying they have to do that but I think something that this movie did that I don't think that Marvel has done a good job of since Endgame

[00:46:08] is not take itself too seriously you know you know really lean into the whole this is a superhero movie these are comic book characters let's have fun with it and let's not I think I think one of

[00:46:19] the big issues is Endgame was such a grand finale to something that took 15 years to build up and they never figured out how to tell smaller stories again the way that they did in the early

[00:46:33] MCU and I think they really just need to tighten up and zone in on a few characters I know because in a way that I just don't think I just don't think no I'm saying it's fine like like

[00:46:49] yeah bring in smaller characters but make me feel about them the way you made me feel about Iron Man at first but I never felt that way about Iron Man and Captain America and all that stuff I

[00:47:01] only really deeply started to care about the MCU in phase four so this is what gets killed off with this type of thinking that's why that's why I'm like I don't like the way this things are

[00:47:14] going but what's the point of having a world ending event if I don't care about the people who might die in it yeah well I mean but I don't care if Iron Man dies again you know sorry sorry people are gonna at me

[00:47:26] how many other characters were at stake during Endgame you know and and how many people I think the whole point of it is yeah no I mean the MCU by Endgame became a big tent franchise where

[00:47:36] you could come from Thor you come from Iron Man the Hulk what Guardians of the Galaxy completely different tone but in the end of the day there's going to be a world ending threat and it's going

[00:47:45] to make you feel things about you know these characters and feel things about the stakes of this universe even you know Spider-Man again like another thing that really was not in the MCU until just before Endgame right and I think that now we're we're at the point where

[00:48:03] they're trying to they're trying to recreate the world ending event without doing the legwork first I mean I think that I disagree I think it's completely the opposite I think that they've been doing tons of legwork and people are getting super impatient and now they're and

[00:48:17] now they're just cutting out what I think is all the beautiful world building to get back to what makes the fanboys happy and great I want the fanboys to be happy but I just don't want that to

[00:48:28] be at the expense of the stories that I've really loved that have come out in the past in the most recent years I think right you know to both of you the points that you both make are valid right

[00:48:43] I think what they've done post Endgame is try to incorporate those sorts of stories the meaningful stories like like John is saying into the canon right into the onto the on film on screen what they haven't done is they tried to do with Kang is give a sufficient

[00:49:13] big bad that's right that will make you feel like yeah everything could be at stake right they haven't they didn't do that and for various reasons you know we can talk about whether Kang

[00:49:27] is that type of character or you can talk about you know Jonathan Majors not anymore right right that's what I'm saying right so you know what could have been right what could have been with

[00:49:36] Jonathan Majors or is even Kang that level of character right because some people thought he wasn't so there's a he could have been right he could have been so there's both of those

[00:49:50] things are true I think right I'm not willing to give away you know what we've done in phase four just because people don't like those characters right well and I think like what they've done since since phase three on the movie end has been somewhat lackluster at times

[00:50:16] but my by far my favorite movie since then is Eternals which I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me on but I think that that's the one where they took the biggest risk risk

[00:50:25] and in my opinion got the biggest reward that was the movie where I sat up and was interested and cared about the characters and you know was really into getting more of that world

[00:50:34] and that's the sort of thing I already know we're not getting a second movie anymore because of the backlash even though now the other day somebody used Eternals as an excuse to defend sexism against another movie they're like oh but everybody loves the women in Eternals I'm like

[00:50:49] what well this narrative change where the cycles come around we're hating the next thing so but I think there there has to be you know like a a thing that everybody can rally around

[00:51:05] that's right that's the that's the basis of every comic book every story is it has that central thing that everyone is trying to stop right there's a threat out there that's greater than

[00:51:19] the individual and calls to the community to actually try to deal with it right they need to go there again because they haven't they haven't presented that since Endgame right and

[00:51:36] hopefully they're lining that up and you and I are going to talk all about that after we let John go so thank you so much John for talking through and sharing your enthusiasm for this film I think

[00:51:47] that's a really good way to open yeah awesome of course and and now that I'm being pulled off the stage with a cane so that I can't ditch stage five anymore it's all right I mean if listeners

[00:52:02] read he's going to work yep all right thank you John bye thanks bye okay now it's that it's just us nerds picking up where we left off in our conversation with with John we have some important

[00:52:20] comic con news to talk about first though I wanted to bring up something that wasn't announced at Comic-Con it was announced before that but I know you've been interested in the Nova project and now

[00:52:30] we get confirmation that it's in development and it's going to be a tv show but we're not getting it for a few years yeah I mean it makes me feel happy that they're doing it but four years

[00:52:43] down the line is you know ah yeah yeah I'm excited Richard Rider you know I think Nova is a great character I thought the Nova Corps got a terrible terrible screen presence

[00:53:00] hopefully they write it um with this uh series and let's see what happens but yeah I'm happy for it but uh yeah the wait time is going to be is just a little too much yeah I mean I guess

[00:53:12] hopefully that means that it's getting like the proper attention you know of course development that is this is going to be a really quality product out of that I hope um all right well getting into the Comic-Con announcements themselves of course we have to start with

[00:53:27] their last announcement which we've got our victory to Von Doom how do you feel about Robert Kennedy Jr. you're excited about Von Doom of course uh yeah absolutely about that now he's

[00:53:41] replacing Kang as the villain in the final two or not the final two but the next two Avengers films uh that are coming out in 2026 and 2027 which are now called uh Kang Dynasty is out um Avengers

[00:53:55] Doomsday is in and then still Secret Wars of course but Doom is the villain in Secret Wars in the comics right um and the second Secret Wars comic book right and the one that seems to be the

[00:54:08] one that they're gonna adapt I think although I think the Russo brothers that are back to direct are the fans of the first yeah I can't see them doing I mean they could who knows they could do

[00:54:20] the first one no but it just makes it makes sense to do the second one given where we're at with the incursions and you know all the multiverses and you know bleeding into one another so which

[00:54:33] is exactly what the Secret Wars the second Secret Wars comic was about um and how Doom basically leveraged all of that to become God Emperor Doom so yeah this is that would be my

[00:54:47] guess but who knows what they're gonna do but as far as the casting I'm very disappointed in it you know this is nothing against Robert Downey Jr. uh but it's just not what I wanted to see okay he could play a different role he can do

[00:55:10] he could even play Iron Man as an old man old man Iron Man I don't care but you know Victor Von Doom is essential to Marvel Comics um and I think the character

[00:55:27] deserves to be the character and not deserves to be the actor playing the character yeah yeah especially we got um we got reports that apparently they paid the Russo brothers so for anyone who doesn't know they are the ones who directed like Winter Soldier Civil War Infinity

[00:55:47] War Endgame so I mean I called bringing them back like the safest bet possible but it's also very expensive one they're being paid uh 80 million to direct the next two Avengers films and apparently

[00:56:01] Robert Downey Jr. is being paid even more than that so it's like okay well that's where the budget's going just FYI I mean you know Disney has it's printing money so that's fine it's not

[00:56:14] it's not my money I mean don't the stockholders are gonna tell you that they've been struggling a little bit in recent years yeah you know what it's not my money you know they want to spend

[00:56:24] that money but it just means them that money's taken away from other things that I would like them to spend it on yeah like the actual film I have a hard time believing that they're gonna

[00:56:38] pay this exorbitant amount of money to these three people and short thrift them on the product no well I guess yeah they're gonna they're gonna put their everything into I mean just obviously they

[00:56:51] need to at least match the last two Avengers films right right basically so in terms of budget I don't I don't foresee a budget crisis for Disney when it comes to do these two films what it could

[00:57:06] do is hamper other projects right but not the not these projects that's true that's true that's even scarier I was gonna say before that um when we were talking to John I think I'm fine with like

[00:57:18] the films like the cinematic side I know that's where they make the money and I'm fine with that being the safe place uh like you know let's bring back the directors let's throw money at the people

[00:57:30] who have already built a fan base in our fan base uh to get them into the theater as long as on the TV side I still want more like She-Hulk and um Moon Knight and you know all these

[00:57:44] werewolf by night stuff you want to take the risk and you want to do things that you know you're doing in a safer place just give it to me yeah definitely you know we want we want these

[00:57:54] other stories as well don't don't get me wrong I you know I'm the biggest fan of all the Avenger films you know what I mean but I also want to see the smaller type of product of you know of work

[00:58:09] you know I want to see other types of superhero stories being told where it's not just yeah yeah you know it's not just you know some you know major uh star or major character that everyone

[00:58:26] could quote unquote identify with um and and when I say quote unquote identify with you know what I'm talking about I'm talking about you know white male you know um fanboys who have been

[00:58:39] complaining about the lack of white males as superheroes which to be clear is not John because we were having a conversation about that when the mic was off yeah right definitely it's not John but yeah you know those sorts of characters I mean it's okay just liking

[00:58:55] liking like Captain America and Iron Man and that type of character doesn't make you part of the problem and I you know respect the people who like that I just also want you know um all these

[00:59:06] other things. Cap is one of my favorite characters you know what I mean I love you know Civil War and I love you know Winter Soldier you know those are two of my favorite films so it's not about the

[00:59:19] characters themselves it's about the people who are saying that they are fans of these characters who are obviously not fans of these characters they're fans of a narrative that they're trying

[00:59:28] to spin and that's that's my problem that I hope that Marvel is not taking away from people who are being disingenuous about their fandom and and saying this is what their overall fans of these

[00:59:43] films want to see um so yeah um and again this is not Robert Downey this is not a a diss of Robert Downey Jr. he's a great actor I'm sure he'll do his best in the role but the role is what's

[01:00:03] important to me you know the character is what's important to me right and yeah go ahead yeah go ahead no I'm hoping that like this is gonna be like one of those until secret wars things you

[01:00:14] know and then we get a like our we get an actual like Romani Victor Von Doom it's just a fresh take I mean yes that's your hope but that's my hope yeah you know I have I have doubts about that

[01:00:28] you know I have doubts about the the way that they're going to present his story and again it's just you know um yeah it's really I wanted to see someone new I wanted to see someone fresh I wanted

[01:00:43] to see a different actor um take on the role and and be introduced to the world as Victor Von Doom and not necessarily have this you know call back to the golden times you know what I mean and and

[01:01:00] that's what I felt like this was this was like a call back to a forgotten or thought to be forgotten era nostalgia whatever you want to call it um I and I was not looking for that in Marvel films

[01:01:18] okay yeah um so there is a a what if comic uh that has Victor Von Doom and Tony Stark switching bodies um and you said you said before you said oh if they really do that story I'm thinking of

[01:01:35] I'm going to be very happy but you said it's not this but it's not that it's definitely not what what is it what is it no it's actually the secret was it's the second secret was

[01:01:47] that's what I'm talking about it's actually that because this is what's when they mix them oh I mean I know and no no I don't want a mind swap I don't know I don't want that

[01:02:05] I don't want that I want I want Von Doom to be Von Doom you know and independent but they have to address that he looks like Tony Stark that he's Tony Stark's face

[01:02:18] they can address it and say oh my gosh he looks just like Tony Stark but he's not moving on you know they can play it off as humor you know like having some explanation like that or

[01:02:32] or maybe just yeah it's a variant of Tony Stark where yeah but then that's not Victor Von Doom it's not Victor Von Doom it's a variant of body swap so I want uh uh I want Victor Von Doom I don't

[01:02:45] want it to be a Tony Stark variant I want it to be uh he could be a variant of Victor Von Doom for all I care but I don't want it to be you know like a lot of makeup yeah they're not gonna do that

[01:03:00] not with him no but you know I my fear is that it's not going to be it's going to be more of a project for our for Robert Downey Jr. right like that's my fear yeah

[01:03:17] like he's going to be maskless throughout the whole movie you know moving in in some sort of corporate way uh trying to you know you know do backroom deals and and things of that nature

[01:03:32] where we see Robert Downey Jr.'s face and that is not Victor Von Doom that's not Dr. Doom right he's he's in armor and you never see his face yeah nor does Robert Downey have the um

[01:03:50] the voice that I wanted but I guess that's just that's a me thing that's just a head fan casting thing yeah I mean I'll give them a chance to tell their story of course I'm gonna

[01:04:02] see the movie don't get me wrong yeah this announcement wasn't for me I don't think uh but I was actually surprisingly more excited about so we know Doom is apparently going to show up at

[01:04:14] first in the credit scene of the Fantastic Four movie which we now is being called is called Fantastic Four First Steps and it begins filming actually today as we're recording on on the

[01:04:25] Tuesday or the 30th of uh July and yeah it's it's supposed to be released one year from today July 20th 2025 I'm like I don't know we'll see um but we're supposed to get the this first family

[01:04:42] in both Avengers films um and it seems like they're setting up Galactus to be a big bad in addition to Victor Von Doom what do you who do you think is the bigger bad or who do you want to see like

[01:04:54] take precedence I mean it has to be Galactus like Dr. Doom has to be like a side story in this story like Galactus has to be them the the main bad yeah well yeah I guess Doomsday

[01:05:11] I'm guessing maybe it's like he's the main bad of Doomsday until Galactus comes and is a bigger threat or something like that um and he has to team up with the heroes maybe no I would I really

[01:05:27] want to see him take advantage of the chaos okay that is presented by Galactus showing up okay okay like step into step into the void so to speak and and take over that's what I want to

[01:05:44] see out of out of that yeah I want I want him to to be the ultimate opportunist yeah okay did you did you see the Fantastic Four footage that leaked online from Comic-Con I didn't I haven't seen it

[01:05:58] I haven't watched it okay uh but you know it's like they confirmed it's a 60s retrofuturistic setting uh in the middle of like the space race yeah like the Jetsons and an alternate reality this world's get definitely getting chomped right yeah that world is not staying

[01:06:15] that world is not staying but I thought yeah I was gonna say the chemistry between the cast and and just like the the tone and I mean this was just camera test but it already looks so on point that

[01:06:28] I'm on record as saying I haven't cared about the Fantastic Four in the cat in the past but now I'm like all right I want to see this movie I've always cared I've always cared and and it was

[01:06:40] to my deep disappointment that these the other films were so terrible um because I've always cared about about those that and that's probably why I haven't cared because I never got into

[01:06:52] those comics and those movies were not exactly gonna sell me and I think um for me uh Fantastic Four is the linchpin of the the MCU going forward like if they mess this up you think more than the

[01:07:09] mutants I think so I think so I'm going mutants but I think so I think they're the linchpin of the of the MCU going forward what if they say that they are mutants that would be spectacular

[01:07:24] I wouldn't be upset about that at all okay yeah no they could be why not yeah that yeah I'm cool with that um but I just want them to be have the the role that they're supposed to to to have

[01:07:37] like they're the first family of Marvel comics right and that means something that means something to to folks um because the dynamic between the four of them is not like the Avengers you know they're not like the X-Men like they're their actual family like no and um

[01:08:02] that should play out on screen in ways that you know other superhero movies don't play out because the stakes are a little bit higher when you're dealing with your family right and the arguments are a little bit more intense and more fraught

[01:08:20] and you know trying to get everyone to agree to do something is it's very difficult if you have for those of you who have siblings and you know cousins and and all of these other familial

[01:08:35] attachments um so I'm very excited to see the FF on screen um this the cast I think is it's cast really well um I don't have an issue with any of the actors who are playing any of

[01:08:57] the characters so so far um and I'm just hoping for an awesome story. Yeah well the the first movie we're going to get which was also talked about at Comic-Con was is

[01:09:09] Brave New World February 14th 2025 so we found out we knew Giancarlo Esposito was in it but we found out he is the king of the Serpent Society Sidewinder um so yeah there was teases about

[01:09:23] Serpent Society maybe being in Thunderbolts and then being cut and now it's uh in Brave New World how are you excited about that are you interested in Serpent Society? Um they're they're a cool like

[01:09:36] villain band they're okay um they're not top tier but they're okay and they're in a lot of Avengers you know related um skirmishes and stories so yeah it makes sense that they would

[01:09:51] bring in the the SS into not the Nazi SS excuse me um Serpent Society into some film um I'm excited for this film and I never thought I would say about this I never thought I would say that about

[01:10:10] you know Mackie as people know I am not a Mackie fan you know I'm not a Mackie guy but I'm excited for this film from what I've seen and what I've read um it has potential um hopefully they can

[01:10:25] pull it off but yeah I think it's um it looks it looks good it looks good. Yeah yeah the trailer which is on YouTube for anyone who hasn't seen it the trailer that's not from Comic-Con that's

[01:10:37] from before but it looks quite promising um yeah I'm I'm interested we've got Harrison Ford as the Hulk you should look him up uh hulking out at Comic-Con if you haven't seen it. As Red Hulk,

[01:10:47] Red Hulk. As Red Hulk sorry sorry Red Hulk sorry um do you think we might get Liv Tyler back as uh Betty as Red She-Hulk? Oh wow no I mean this is just this is just fan wishing right now no I don't

[01:11:05] think so but that would be awesome mm-hmm that would be awesome if they brought her back into the into the fold that would be cool yes yeah I'll be really excited about that um one thing that they

[01:11:16] are bringing back into the fold is they're finally going to address Tiamat the celestial sticking out of the Indian Ocean uh which is now called Celestial Island and they find it

[01:11:26] they said that it is a the source of adamantium in the MCU so um yeah adamantium being the metal that's on Wolverine's skeleton and claws. Yeah so that that's a great finally being addressed it's even stronger than vibranium right? Allegedly allegedly some some people say so

[01:11:50] but other people will tell you no it's not so it's all about who's writing which comic so yeah but um finally that's being addressed the big hand that's sticking out of the ocean

[01:12:04] yeah and I'm happy for it that means that the Eternals did happen like yeah it's a film that actually exists you know what I mean? Bring the Eternals back and hopefully we'll get to see these

[01:12:18] characters um play out in some future but um yeah I'm excited for this for this film. Not just a cameo I want a real story. Yeah yeah. What do you think it's going to mean for Wakanda now that

[01:12:32] adamantium has been introduced to the because Wakanda for anyone who doesn't know is like the home of vibranium. Well that's the whole brave new world right? Right. That's what we're

[01:12:43] talking about yeah so this is you think that's going to be the focus is going to be to offset the the vibranium weaponry of the Wakandans. Do you think we'll see any Wakandans in this film?

[01:12:56] Yes yeah yes I think we'll see maybe you know some sort of a Dora Milaj you know come through um who would it be I'm not sure but yes I think we will see some sort of connection to Wakanda.

[01:13:16] We'll see definitely see some connection to Wakanda I would think. Yeah although the biggest connection to Wakanda from the Captain America side of things is is Bucky and he's not going to be in this film because he is one of the leads in the Thunderbolts asterix they're apparently

[01:13:34] going to tell us later what the asterix means which is um going to be coming out May 2nd 2025 so yeah they showed a trailer there that one didn't leak so I've heard descriptions of it and

[01:13:47] it's yeah seems fun I don't know early days um they brought the like entire cast out on the stage and there were two people who I didn't recognize you know ever the other people I recognized were

[01:13:59] Yelena is there she's apparently the lead uh Red Guardian is there he's going to play a big role Ghost is there Taskmaster who am I um oh Val of course uh Julia Louis-Dreyfus um oh uh John Walker the fake Captain America

[01:14:22] those of you who watch Falcon and the Winter Soldier yeah um was it US Agent is his name? US Agent. I don't know if I care if I'm forgetting anyone else maybe it'll come to me but there were

[01:14:32] two I didn't recognize and it was because they were the two that replaced so there was going to Io Edebiri was going to be in the movie but she had to drop out for scheduling reasons and she was

[01:14:42] replaced by Geraldine Viswanathan sorry if I probably butchered that last name I apologize um and as Val's assistant quote-unquote Mel this is definitely songbird right or screaming I think so I think it's songbird yeah it was a long history with with the Thunderbolts

[01:15:01] yeah gotta be gotta be and they're not like they wouldn't have even though Io Edebiri dropped out they wouldn't have cast her in something that didn't there was just somebody's assistant right right and then the other one was Lewis Pullman who replaced Steven Yeun so

[01:15:18] we're basically confirmed they're just calling him Bob wink wink but we're basically confirmed this is Sentry yes um yeah one of Marvel's many supermans yeah unhinged superman one of Marvel's multiple yeah yeah so this this should be fun I think um I think Sentry if done correctly

[01:15:40] can be a really fun character on screen yeah you know can be a really fun character on screen what do you do with someone who holds the power of a million million sons right but also has some

[01:15:53] serious issues no I'm I'm excited I mean it's it's a lot to juggle with that because of the big cast and everything but I'm very excited about the cast and I'm excited yeah that it's going to

[01:16:06] that one seems like it's going to be an interesting fun movie for me that's what I'm looking forward to yeah and all three movies are going to be featured all three casts apparently are going

[01:16:17] to be in the new adventures movies so which is why I think it has to be the secret war story yeah well it's called secret wars is no it has to be the second one that's what I'm yeah the

[01:16:28] second one for sure yeah well they've been setting up recursion incursions and stuff for years yeah it has to be the second one yeah you know and they may have also laid some seeds for secret wars

[01:16:40] in Deadpool and Wolverine so we're gonna get back to talking about that we're gonna give you the full plot synopsis and our breakdown of the cameos and everything you need to know going forward

[01:16:52] after a quick break okay so we're gonna start with a plot synopsis I'm gonna be honest I saved myself a huge amount of time by ripping this plot synopsis from Wikipedia and editing as needed

[01:17:23] and it's yeah it's on the longer side but John and I are going to bring it to life taking turns presenting it dramatically so you can relive the movie or experience it for the

[01:17:33] first time in about five minutes and then we're gonna dissect it thoroughly of course I don't know how good my drama voice is but yeah I've heard it before give it a go go ahead in 2018 Wade Wilson uses cable's time traveling device to travel from his timeline earth

[01:17:52] one zero zero zero five to earth six one six the sacred timeline where he has an interview with Happy Hogan to join the Avengers but he is rejected six years later Wade has retired from

[01:18:08] the Deadpool-ing life broken up with his girlfriend Vanessa Carlyle and is working as a used car salesman during his birthday party the time variance authority or the TVA for those who know captures Wade and brings him to Mr. Paradox who offers him a place on earth 616 however Paradox

[01:18:26] also reveals that Wade's timeline is deteriorating as a result of the death of its stabilizing quote-unquote anchor being James Logan Howlett without approval from management Paradox plans to use the time ripper a device he developed to mercy kill timelines to prematurely destroy

[01:18:45] Wade's timeline so Wade steals Paradox's tempad to travel the multiverse to find a variant of Logan to save his timeline Wade has a stab and greet with dozens of Logan variants

[01:18:58] finally taking the one who doesn't try to kill him back to the TVA where he learns that this particular Logan is considered the worst Wolverine in the multiverse there's an argument and Paradox

[01:19:11] prunes Wade and Logan into the void where they fight before they and Johnny Storm are captured and taken to Cassandra Nova the twin sister of X-Men leader Charles Xavier Cassandra who was

[01:19:27] ruined as an infant but made a deal with the TVA to stay willingly in the void kills Johnny and leaves Wade and Logan to be consumed by purple cloud monster Alioth but they escape

[01:19:43] Logan and Wade meet a variant of Wade called Nice Pool who gives him a car and points them to the voids borderlands where the resistance against Cassandra is located however Logan chastises Wade for hiding the fact that he is unable to fix Logan's timeline leading to a fight

[01:19:58] that leaves them both unconscious Laura drives them to the borderlands where they meet um oh I think it doesn't say here that uh guess what uh X what's her name X 23 X 23 shows up um so

[01:20:16] sorry I lost my place with the resistance yeah so X 23 shows up uh Laura and drives them to the borderlands where they meet resistance members Electra Nachios Eric Brooks and Remy Lebeau Wade dubs them the others and proposes an alliance to fight Cassandra Logan refuses to cooperate but

[01:20:37] eventually relents after a conversation with Laura about his inability to save the X-Men in his universe Wade Logan and the others go to confront Cassandra and manage to block her powers by placing Juggernaut's helmet on her head however Cassandra is betrayed by her henchman Pyro who

[01:20:53] has been secretly working for Paradox Logan convinces Wade to remove the helmet allowing Cassandra to heal and open a portal back to Wade's timeline arriving on earth one zero zero zero five Wade and Logan find that Paradox has begun to use the Time Ripper Cassandra having learned of

[01:21:13] Paradox's plan from Pyro before executing him arrives through another portal and kidnaps Paradox she plans to take control of the Time Ripper to destroy all timelines leaving only the void as revenge for Paradox's betrayal Cassandra summons an army of Deadpool variants to battle Wade and

[01:21:34] Logan but Wade's friend Peter Wisdom arrives and convinces them all to retreat Paradox tells Wade and Logan that disrupting the power flow of the Time Ripper would kill a person Wade and Logan

[01:21:47] then both use their bodies as conductors surviving by sharing the burden and destroy the Time Ripper killing Cassandra Paradox is then arrested by Hunter B-15 from the TVA. B-15 reveals that Wade and Logan's actions have stopped Wade's timeline from deteriorating. Wade requests B-15 free the

[01:22:09] others from the void before asking if it is possible to rewrite the history of Logan's timeline B-15 replies that it was his history the made Logan the hero needed to stop Cassandra and there

[01:22:20] is nothing to fix Logan who wishes to retire and live a peaceful life is taken by Wade to meet his friends along with Laura on Logan's encouragement Wade reconciles with Vanessa

[01:22:31] so yeah we'll talk about the cameos in a minute but um what what did you think of this as a standalone story Jean? I thought it was good I thought the story made sense it was um there were

[01:22:45] it didn't leave much to to too much to think about it they explained what was going on um immediately you know what I mean so you weren't left wondering what's what who are all these

[01:22:56] characters and what are they doing here and what's going on in the movie and you know I don't understand this I don't it was pretty straightforward and I think that's what it needed to be so the

[01:23:08] story aspect of of the movie I thought you know worked yeah yeah I mean I think it was it was you know not necessarily like my favorite type of uh story in terms of you know like depth and

[01:23:24] like I love um I love something that's a little darker and whatever that you know with a little more pathos I know I know unpredictable um but it was you know it was a straightforward superhero story that made sense and the McGuffin's fine you know there's nothing

[01:23:42] I can't like was it the most uh super impressive climax no I think other parts of the movie were better uh but and yeah including I guess the Deadpool part of the climax the Deadpool core

[01:23:55] part of the climax was pretty cool but um it was you know they they chose the right music yeah they used the humor right and it worked for me you know yeah definitely I agree with all of

[01:24:06] that I thought them I didn't I didn't have a problem with the the beginning the middle or the end yeah of the story you know I didn't have a problem you know I think it flowed well um and

[01:24:20] it kept you engaged again because it they told you what was happening and I think for this type of movie that's what it needed to do not in didn't need to have a lot of supposition to this right

[01:24:36] yeah uh were you surprised yeah no fair um no I mean it was it was exactly like I like to rate movies on the scale of what they're trying to be and this movie was exactly what it was trying to

[01:24:47] be it nailed what it was going for you know and that's and I think that's why I was so excited I was like oh this is gonna be really popular because it's gonna appeal to a lot of different

[01:24:56] people for a lot of different reasons yeah were you surprised that they wound up back on earth one zero zero zero five at the end yes I was I was I you know going into the film you know like

[01:25:10] I told you I I wanted it to be the end of everything fox um and this was definitely to me not the end of everything fox you know it was the end of some characters but it was not the

[01:25:21] end of everything fox they have that goodbye film in the credits yeah but no that's the credits that doesn't work for me I wanted it to be in the film itself to be like say a final goodbye

[01:25:33] to the entire universe um and that didn't happen uh was I disappointed in that yes did it detract from the movie no okay okay fair fair um so one cameo we didn't talk about yet is

[01:25:49] logan's corpse I thought that was for me that was that was the moment they got me personally was uh he starts and he's like well you know and people want to know how are we going to respect

[01:26:01] the memory of logan we're not right I was dying laughing during that opening even though like I don't care about stuff like I said about people being stabbed in the dick or whatever but um yeah

[01:26:15] it was just the timing and the humor it was really good yeah I was um I didn't expect to find logan's corpse in when he dug it up no I really didn't know what I expect I didn't expect him to be alive

[01:26:31] but I was afraid he would be but I I was firmly in the camp that he's not going to be in the grave right I really thought he wasn't going to be in the grave so that was a a nice surprise for me

[01:26:44] yeah and I have to say the opening was also one of the places where the 3d element really shined okay oh all the stuff is like flying at you and the credits and the blood and yeah um

[01:26:59] and then I loved one of the scenes I almost forget about it after everything that happens after that but I I loved the scene with him and happy hogan uh john cavro that was really well

[01:27:10] done it was it was it was really well done in it and you know I'm parts of me you know happy has played too much of a role in some of the movies for me but I thought this was um exactly

[01:27:26] what it needed to do um it set up Deadpool's whole you know raison de debt you know what I mean and it was really nice to see someone put uh explanation behind the avengers right

[01:27:43] so they don't do it because they want to do it you know they do it because they have to do it right and that's a nice um way to to encapsulate what being a superhero should mean it's not

[01:27:59] because you want the acclaim it's because you know if you're not there to help what would the result be so yeah I like that I really did like that yeah yeah um

[01:28:15] yeah I thought that uh it was I it was funny though the fact I saw this obviously before comic-con uh because I saw this last Wednesday um and there was the joke in there about uh Robert

[01:28:28] Downey Jr. being too expensive for a cameo or he's not doing cameos or that yeah he wanted to talk to the big man like oh he's not doing cameos not doing cameos he's not I wonder if

[01:28:39] it's a real story he's doing real he's doing real roles he's like yeah hold my beer marvel and then so we got we got Deadpool's whole quote-unquote family back we got uh Vanessa, Blind Al, Dopinder, Negasonic Teenage Warhead, Yukio, Colossus, Shatterstar, and Buck from the

[01:29:00] bar um and of course Peter Wisdom who played a way more important role than you would expect I thought Peter was the the best out of this bunch I mean obviously the film did too yeah uh for me

[01:29:16] I I could do without the the rest of I mean the other they barely got a a chance to be seen the others but yeah I it is important like his the fact that Deadpool emphasized them and the fact

[01:29:30] that the film really wanted us to remember that these they exist makes me wonder if they're gonna play a role in a future storytelling for him because they do seem there are some hints in

[01:29:43] this film that they have a story for him mapped out yeah they probably will um but again I was you know I I can they didn't play a big role to me in the previous movies for me personally I

[01:29:57] I never really connected with any of them actually um yeah you know it's too bad Zazie Bates didn't come back uh as Domino yeah Domino is my favorite Domino was my favorite he was my favorite from the

[01:30:09] second film yeah um but yeah and they're under using Shadow Star Shatterstar they have not used him at all they just like here's a guy with cool eyes yeah he's just there um but yeah I I like

[01:30:21] Peter you know I thought Peter was was great um it was a great foil even not intending to be a foil but he was still a great a great straight man to to Deadpool right to Wade eternally supportive

[01:30:35] friend yeah yeah so I really enjoyed watching Peter his dynamic on on screen so that was cool every Deadpool has a Peter and I'm gonna go out on on a little branch here you know

[01:30:50] I think we could tone it down with Bland Eye yeah okay yeah I really do yeah I think it's not yeah it's not hitting the way that it hit before no I agree no it felt yeah a little force yeah

[01:31:08] it felt a little force you know what did you think what'd you think about the story about him getting Vanessa back did that part work for you um I mean I always thought they would

[01:31:21] yeah I think there was never a question in my mind right right there's no suspense about that so it's like I don't know it's just like a clear storytelling device you could see

[01:31:31] yeah yeah there was never a question in my mind so yeah yeah I don't see what she sees in him um if we want to talk if we really want to talk like I don't see what she sees in him

[01:31:46] it would have been funny if she met nice Paul I mean she she was like more in damn or something that's the thing they continue to underutilize um uh yeah uh Moraine sorry yeah they continue

[01:31:58] Marina Baccarin yeah I just yeah I wish I could understand her her um affection for Wade yeah because I don't see it yeah well I mean I I get it I get it but I didn't like

[01:32:15] I don't know it's just like okay oh you broke up oh yeah and then she's at the on the red carpet events like I can't say if they get back together like okay yeah

[01:32:25] so we already talked about a bunch the Wolverine variants so we got Patch who we thought might be a cameo but it was just Hugh Jackman after all we got the comics accurate short Wolverine which

[01:32:35] was funny also Jackman and the only new face was Henry Calvary Cavalry that was a good bit at least that was that was he even did the the machine guns arms yeah so that was cool that was cool

[01:32:52] um and yeah we talked about the Chris Evans bait and switch uh with Cap and Johnny Storm what did you think of the credit scene though where yeah Deadpool got him killed basically it looks like

[01:33:05] because he was saying he said all this stuff about Cassandra and he actually said it yeah I thought it was great and more I thought I thought that was great I thought that was great

[01:33:14] because I was firmly like believing hey he threw him under the bus like yeah and it turns out that he actually did it and it makes total sense for Johnny Storm yeah as a character yeah like

[01:33:30] yeah he's not Captain America right he is a smart ass yeah he is a wisecracking smart ass you know so I can it made total sense for for that to be Johnny Storm really what he

[01:33:44] what he said so I applaud them for for doing that I thought that was great yeah and as much as I kind of wanted um you know a credit scene to geek out over about what's coming I appreciate that this

[01:33:56] is a credit scene that ties back to the actual film and that way it doesn't undermine that whole because the other quote unquote credit scene is the montage they play of Fox Marvel stuff which was

[01:34:08] which you know is emotional so it's appropriate to say like no this is a self-contained this thing yeah we're not like pulling in other scenes from the next movie or whatever no I thought it was I

[01:34:21] thought it was fine I thought it was great I didn't have a problem with it um you know not everything gets uh gives you a preview of what's next and that's okay when we got Comic-Con like

[01:34:34] the next day so right exactly yeah and that's totally fine that's totally fine so I don't think you have to lean into you know the post credits for every film because not for every film doesn't

[01:34:45] make sense right right yeah we got our member berries with uh we got a couple familiar million minions so we had glimpses of Azazel, Lady Deathstrike, Psylocke, Toad, Bullseye, Callisto, Blob and the Russian but mostly we got interaction with Pyro we had Aaron Stanford back in Sabertooth

[01:35:05] with Taylor Mayne uh how did how did all that work for you it worked it worked I thought it was you know yeah Pyro played a bigger role than I expected yeah totally totally I thought he was

[01:35:20] just gonna be another Sabertooth like go down and you know really quickly but you know he had an alternate you know role and that was cool to see that they expanded on on certain characters and

[01:35:31] that's you know I like that yeah and I liked um we talked about Vinny Jones saying that like he was asked to come back but he wasn't coming and wondering whether that was like the usual lying

[01:35:43] thing but no it wasn't he really said no we got a joke about oh it's this movie's juggernaut because it changes everything I thought it was great I thought it was great Vinny Jones a man of his word

[01:35:58] yeah and then we got the trio of cameos that I think you and I were most excited about we had Jennifer Garner as Electra Wesley Snipes as Blade and Channing Tatum as the Gambit that never was

[01:36:11] they went full comic book with him with his costume and his powers and his accent and it was it was it was delightful it was delightful I can definitely say that I enjoyed all three of

[01:36:27] those characters um being on screen and that's what you want you know it's what I want to see I want to be able to say ah gosh that was so cool and I felt that you know like watching it like ah

[01:36:44] guys it's so cool you know it was really it was really a nice um callback um for Electra for Blade and a nice what could have been um for Gambit yeah yeah now I'm happy to get a new a

[01:37:01] different Gambit oh so you're totally over the Channing Tatum Gambit I'm over the yeah no this was it's the scratch that itch and like I would love an actually Cajun Gambit or at least one who

[01:37:12] can do the accent well but I mean we're not getting no I think it would be great we're not getting on doom so oh yeah yeah they gotta give somewhere uh and I want a Gambit rogue romance in live

[01:37:25] action that would be cool yeah yeah they should do it yeah you know they should do it speaking of romance is real and on screen that was a funny line with a where they're like oh Electra we're

[01:37:38] sorry about daredevil as in that like version and she's like no I'm fine it's okay it's okay we're good we're good over here oh they're so good um and of course the fourth of their group

[01:37:53] is x23 Laura played by Daphne Keene um yeah I think after like the main duo she was the most satisfying emotional arc for me really how do you feel yeah not for you no it's blade

[01:38:11] for me I mean I just well I mean yeah did they get a whole emotional arc those no characters I guess they they must be I wonder because he asked for them to get out of the void so were

[01:38:22] they and their universes are gone I think so they must be in his place somewhere there somewhere we just don't know where or at the TVA yeah they're at the TVA or they're somewhere else

[01:38:34] yeah and who knows and that opens up possibilities but I did like that x23 stayed with them you know seeing her at the table family now yeah seeing her at the table with Logan um rest of Deadpool's uh

[01:38:51] cohorts and family I thought that was yeah that's a nice ending for her um maybe a nice beginning who knows yeah no I hope so because all those those four characters all went into the fight

[01:39:04] with Cassandra saying that they were willing to die um but it seems like none of them did no and and her especially I was like it would be a shame to lose her because I mean first of all

[01:39:17] shout out to my girl Jackie um who anyone doesn't know that's the character she played in Acolyte but she was an alien and makeup and looked completely different and completely different character uh but yeah no I just think it would be you know you've got Daphne Keene

[01:39:32] don't waste her she's yeah right right bring it into into the fold yeah absolutely I do have well we're going to talk later about it but I have questions about incursions but okay okay uh but

[01:39:46] yeah speaking so of multiverse stuff which I like we got yes yeah good it's two of us at least um so we get the TVA of course uh we get the void we get Elias we get a B-52 back when we Masako

[01:40:03] um yeah I had to keep yelling at people to go watch Loki I'm learning that a lot of people have not watched Loki so many people haven't watched it and that is like just like don't

[01:40:15] watch it to understand this film watch it because it's just so good yeah it's like you are hurting yourself by not watching it but you know what if people go back to it because of this film

[01:40:25] then I'm thankful for this film yeah no exactly no I mean I'm thankful for this film in general because you can see like the energy it's generating and that people are having a good time

[01:40:36] and uh it's doing good for the box office and you know I'm I'm so glad for all that and I enjoyed it you know I'm sure I'll re-watch it lots of times in my life yeah definitely definitely but yeah go

[01:40:48] see Loki go watch it if you haven't watched it um two seasons great seasons both yeah and short short seasons yeah and yeah you'll enjoy it I firmly believe that you will enjoy that um that

[01:41:03] was my second rated show for last year um yeah so yeah I think everyone should watch that series definitely yeah um and we also got so they can see one of the conceits in uh Loki and the TVA

[01:41:19] the time variance authority is that you know you can get a view of every moment in every multiverse everywhere ever uh so and the glimpse we get teased with this time is they reused Thor footage

[01:41:32] from Thor 2 uh where he's cradling Loki with as Loki dies and that film or quote unquote dies uh but this time we see him he's cradling Deadpool and we keep getting references back

[01:41:45] to this throughout the rest of the film about like oh Thor's tears you know um they're definitely signaling something to come in his story aren't they yeah but I don't know yeah I'm not I'm not

[01:42:01] in the camp I'm not I mean we don't know but no I know I know we have storytelling literacy and it seems like they're telling us they they might be they might be signaling something but

[01:42:15] I'm not sure that they are okay yeah I'm not sure that they are so you're saying don't get my hopes up that we're threading a story when I saw that I just thought it was a a play on that scene

[01:42:29] I I didn't necessarily and even with the callbacks throughout the movie I never I didn't necessarily think to myself oh they're setting up something to happen between those two characters okay okay I guess time shall tell we'll see in 2027 perhaps but we did get this time we

[01:42:51] got we got way more Deadpool core I knew we were gonna get Deadpool core but we got way more than I expected because apparently yeah this makes sense Deadpool's just keep getting pruned and

[01:43:02] sent to the void which that tracks so we got dog pool played by Peggy I will never not say her name we got nice pool played by Ryan Reynolds himself we got lady pool voiced by Blake Lively Ryan

[01:43:14] Reynolds wife famous actress in her own right kid pool and baby pool were their kids head pool was Nathan Fillion cowboy pool was Matthew McConaughey a Welsh pool the one with a big

[01:43:29] Welsh flag across the front was Wrexham striker Paul Mullen and it's also the name of an actual place in Wales I have to mention but yeah so people who watch welcome to Wrexham which I

[01:43:39] watched like 12 episodes but not a sports you sports ball we had like brave pool Canada pool which was apparently Ryan stunt Ryan Reynolds's stunt double Alex Kiz oh gosh Kishkovich Kishkovich we had Botari the fool we had Deadpool 2099 the futuristic looking one we had golden age

[01:44:00] Deadpool Deadpool Zen pool was the one in like monkey robes pirate pool samurai Deadpool etc etc etc what were your favorites nice pool yeah that was fun yeah he was my favorite he doesn't regenerate of all the pools he was my favorite pool

[01:44:17] it was nice yeah and I felt bad when he when he bit the yeah literally he bit the bullets I wondered if he might like if it might be an act and then he would turn out to be a secret villain

[01:44:33] but no he was just a really nice guy you know yeah um I kept staring at Welsh pool because of the flag uh okay but I yeah I think like I liked the ones with the cool costumes I'm gonna I'm

[01:44:50] simple like Zen pool was really cool I want to see this is one of the things like like into the spider verse you know the spider verse stuff where I'm like oh there's all these spider men maybe I

[01:45:00] want to read more comics you know I'm like oh maybe I should read more Deadpool multiverse comics I mean I think reading comics everyone should do it so I say go ahead right I mean I read a lot

[01:45:13] of come no I know there's just so many yeah just do it you know just just dive into the but it's just yeah do I prioritize it over other things I mean have you read like Deadpool kills the

[01:45:26] Marvel universe I have not read any Deadpool comics just start with that one yeah yeah okay yeah um apparently there was also somewhere in there a herald pool played by Tom Holland's

[01:45:39] brother Harry and uh Ryan Reynolds didn't know or I don't know I just saw a headline like that go by today before we recorded um were you surprised there was no major x-men yes yes

[01:45:52] I expected storm I I I you know my whole the whole premise in my mind was to kill off the fox universe yeah and you know the only person that actually bit the bullet was

[01:46:06] you know Chris Evans was Johnny Storm apparently the rest of the Fantastic Four died before him he said yeah yeah but just you know I just wanted to see all of it go down in flames you know and

[01:46:22] I didn't get that so I was very surprised that none of the x-men characters showed up um to to get out of here and it was yeah yeah that was a shock to me was a shock

[01:46:36] and with with the like tease that we were teasing John about with Marvel's I can't remember if we talked about Marvel's on or off mic but um there that that credit scene there uh really sets up

[01:46:51] the x-men as we know it like Kelsey Grammer at least or you know right so I'm wondering if we are not done with the fox men I think we're gonna get new mutants like Kamala I don't think we're

[01:47:06] done I don't think the fox universe is is kaput not until secret wars at least because it's still there still hanging out there still hanging there yeah and we also I also found out uh I

[01:47:20] said in the previous one that Rob McElhenney uh who he's the one from always sunny and he does a rexum with Ryan Reynolds he he was supposed to have a cameo as a TVA soldier but apparently it

[01:47:31] got cut oh I forgot to notice it but apparently it was cut so what well um yeah so we we had new characters so paradox Matthew McFadyen who's yeah we've been we've been calling him Tom

[01:47:47] Wamsgams his role in succession but um he's he's from the comics I know but I haven't read those comics have you I I haven't read um many of those comics at all so yeah I don't think it

[01:48:02] he's not a character that I'm really familiar with um but the little that I do know it seems that he's a magic based character from what I can recall and was featured in some Dr. Strange

[01:48:15] stories um and some Midnight Sun stories uh from you know decades ago maybe uh that I haven't read and so this is a nice little um tidbit for me to go do some research on definitely

[01:48:33] yeah to see how how much difference there is between what we saw on screen and what is on the page what makes me because uh Loki's obviously a magic based character and obviously his hands

[01:48:46] are full at the moment but it does make me wonder if we will see because that's a major actor you know and uh I wonder if we'll see him pulled back in to some other you know side because he wasn't

[01:48:59] universe right they didn't prune him so right they just took him away so maybe that that portends that this character coming back in some form right yeah and what did you think of the other

[01:49:14] big new character Cassandra Nova played by Emma Corrin who people might know people might know her as uh the younger princess Diana from uh from the crown I I hope she's not gone

[01:49:27] because I thought she did a she she did a great job yeah I have to shout out the VFX artist who did that stuff with like her fingers and people's faces all that was so well creepy yeah her whole

[01:49:40] vibe was was creepy you know what I mean and I thought she was she was great um yeah I just I want more and if we don't get to see her she looks like she would have been um paired with

[01:49:55] James McAvoy's Purvis or Xavier and if we don't get to see that interaction I'll be bummed yeah that's true that is true you know she's just like she was great she was yeah I thought she was a

[01:50:09] great villain um the actor who played her was was really embodied yeah character you know so different than princess Diana yeah she just really hit the right notes um for me as a villain

[01:50:27] and just um yeah man I was worried how they would you know portray her as a character because you know being a twin and being taken out by your twin in the womb so having her being boomed by the TVA

[01:50:46] because she's such an OP character and you know just saying here you can stay here in this wasteland and do whatever the hell you want to do because you're not doing it to um people in to quote

[01:51:00] unquote real people real people right um you're doing it to people who are already supposed to be gone right right so it's I thought that was a nice little turn because she is OP as you can see in

[01:51:12] the in the movie like they couldn't really deal with her you know what I mean so that was it was really really cool really cool yeah yeah very cool yeah I hope she's I hope she's back are we

[01:51:25] gonna well I mean I want the same actress but I yeah because it sounded like she was the only one yeah yeah but there's no other Cassandra Nolan running around here you know I mean she's so OP

[01:51:40] that we have to think that she could survive what looks like death yes I totally agree I totally agree they can make I mean as a comic book movie they can say whatever they want but we're like yeah yeah okay that makes sense she's alive

[01:51:56] oh and another concept we got introduced that I have a feeling is going to play a bigger role is anchor beings so we get told that Logan was the anchor being of the Fox Marvel universe which is

[01:52:08] funny on the one hand from like a real world thing because obviously we can tell by the number of Wolverine movies that this is true and without him the universe dies but now he's back so it's

[01:52:20] not dead yet I don't know my question though about anchor beings is if like so Logan he's at least a long-lived character you know he at least can live for centuries or whatever but any anchor being is

[01:52:35] going to die eventually so and then they say like well it actually unravels all parts of the timeline very slowly but even before the actual event happens then wouldn't all universes constantly be unraveling and I know from a scientific perspective this is true it's called entropy

[01:52:53] but in this world like isn't every universe falling apart because their anchor being dies at some point am I thinking this overthinking this I don't I don't know I don't know I think the

[01:53:09] the concept is is just that let's say this Logan we're told that this Logan that died was the anchor being and that's the reason that the universe is ending it'll take thousands of years for it to to

[01:53:27] end but it is ending that's okay to me in my head canon because you know it's thousands of years later they didn't say 1,000 years they didn't say 5,000 they didn't say 100,000 just some in some future thousands of years from now this universe will cease to exist

[01:53:50] right I mean every universe is going to go through exactly that's what I'm saying so I think the anchor being thing is something that brings those universes some sort of stability right and then once that being is taken out then the process of entropy begins.

[01:54:10] CNEY- But what about like the many millennia before Logan was born? RL- There had to be I think I'm overthinking this. No I think there had to be another anchor being. CNEY- So you think the anchor being might I guess maybe that can shift

[01:54:25] maybe for each generation there's an anchor being. CNEY- Do you think like the way that Logan and Wolverine that sorry that Deadpool and Wolverine shared the burden of you know taking in the power of the time ripper to stop that whole thing

[01:54:42] uh do you think that Deadpool is now like a co-anchor being now? RL- No. CNEY- No? RL- No. CNEY- Who do you think the anchor being is of the 616 of our sacred timeline? RL- Either Iron Man or Spider-Man. CNEY- Ooh and I yeah Iron Man's dead. RL- Yeah.

[01:55:00] CNEY- Iron Man's dead. RL- Which portends the end of the universe. CNEY- Yeah. RL- Right? CNEY- But Loki's holding on. RL- Right? CNEY- Maybe Loki is the literal anchor being he's holding the universe into existence. RL- Yeah but maybe without those individual characters those individual forces

[01:55:19] what he's actually doing is just preventing what's inevitable. CNEY- Well so this I have questions and I hope they resolve this about like how this works with the other lore we've gotten namely incursions. So we've been told incursions can

[01:55:35] happen different ways but especially as characters go to each other's universes which is what we saw happening in this movie and we've seen happening a lot and but then we also have this concept of anchor beings so I wonder do these two concepts interact

[01:55:51] to what kills worlds basically how are we getting to secret wars is it one or both of these things or some other combination of factors. RL- I think it could be both of these things because the incursions were happening before strange even knew of them.

[01:56:10] CNEY- Right he was the first one to jump worlds. RL- Right and they were happening who knows for how long at this point we are just now you know 616 is just not privy to them but they've been ongoing like the death of the universes has been

[01:56:28] ongoing so you can say could absolutely say maybe both of those things will have a role in why the incursions are you know occurring maybe the passing of the anchor beings in different universes has led to the incursions that we are talking about in 616.

[01:56:52] CNEY- Yeah yeah they yeah I hope that they explicitly tie it together something like that and then I have the question they have to right they have to and I have the question about like these other dimensions we've been seeing like these afterlife dimensions or the

[01:57:07] nor dimension and Ms. Marvel what yeah how does that play I mean how does that like fit into the multiverse is that outside of and we know it's an omniverse so it's a multiverse of multiverses

[01:57:21] we know that where are these other dimensions are they they seem to be tied to one universe is like a flip side of one universe or yeah those other dimensions exist within those universes.

[01:57:34] CNEY- So it's just like a like the antimatter of that universe yeah yeah the upside down to put it in strange basically yes the reverse of the mirror right they exist within those universes so

[01:57:50] the nor dimension exists in this universe the you know the plane Valhalla exist in this universe Asgard whatever you're thinking about the planes from Moon Knight exist in this universe they also exist in other universes. CNEY- Yeah so yeah so there's different there's like a multiverse of

[01:58:12] nor dimensions. CNEY- Exactly so once you you have this doesn't mean that it doesn't exist somewhere else so once you have is the same concept of characters right once you have an Iron Man doesn't mean that Iron Man doesn't exist in another universe it may be slightly different

[01:58:32] right but the same person exists in another universe maybe Tony Stark in one universe didn't become Iron Man but Tony Stark still exists in that universe. CNEY- Right of course yeah. ASGARD- So those dimensions still exist in those universes.

[01:58:51] CNEY- Yeah and I also wonder how so we have two characters now that just like in the comics these are the two big wall breaking characters Deadpool and She-Hulk first of all I can't wait

[01:59:03] to see them interact and break the fourth wall together and realize that each other break the fourth wall but I also I don't know if you clock this as well or if you think there's anything to

[01:59:13] it but that camera that's on in the in the credit scene there's the camera that's on Johnny Storm that's showing him like telling off Cassandra when he thinks she's not listening it looks like

[01:59:28] the Kevin robot from She-Hulk with like three little lenses. I mean it just not exactly the same but it to me it was like it looks like they're trying to make me think of Kevin the way it's

[01:59:41] designed. ASGARD- I didn't pick it up I didn't pick up on that. That's a nice- CNEY- But I wonder if that plays a role too in terms of like Deadpool and She-Hulk being able

[01:59:53] to see beyond the veil of their reality or that becomes a complicating factor in some way or if it's just like a fun thing the two of them do and eventually we'll get a fun acknowledgement.

[02:00:03] ASGARD- I think so I think some of it is a fun thing I don't think everything is going to be explained in the way you know scientifically you know what I mean? But I think some of these

[02:00:15] things story-wise will be just like a fun nod to one another if they ever come into contact on screen. Like oh you do this too? Oh look at that you know something akin to that not necessarily

[02:00:29] oh you know we have this you know unique power between the two of us that no one else has. CNEY- Right right right and I guess yeah the other question is how are the mutants going to

[02:00:42] play in it looks like they may just be going back to the X-Men but then you know they're seeding in other mutants and maybe calling people who are not called mutants in the comics mutants

[02:00:51] as well and I wouldn't mind that at all. ASGARD- No I think that would be a great thing. I just want you know again my whole thing was to bring these characters into the MCU proper

[02:01:03] right? That's all that I'm asking for and if this is a way to do that then great I'll be very happy and that's the bottom line you know you don't need to call them mutants you can call them

[02:01:21] something else if you want to but at the end of the day bring these characters into the fold of the MCU cinematic universe give them a role that they deserve elevate some of these characters

[02:01:38] the way that they should be elevated and don't shy away from telling the stories that are hard to tell because you know these are complicated characters and like John said earlier the X-Men mean something

[02:01:55] right? Mutants mean something to the folks who have watched you know the cartoons or the previous movies or read the comics so do them the justice that they really do deserve on screen.

[02:02:10] MS. Right and do you have a do you want another Deadpool and Wolverine after this or do you just want them to no just I don't need it I don't need it I can understand why there would be of course.

[02:02:26] I feel like there probably will be now. I see the reason behind the why there will be but you know I thought it ended well I thought the movie did what it was supposed to do for those characters

[02:02:40] involved and yeah but yeah there's going to be another one. I hope that the fact that it's it's so very R-rated and still so successful is going to be a good thing for the development of Blade and

[02:02:54] other darker projects you know. I mean well fingers crossed that we still get another Blade you know what I mean so. You're losing faith but yeah I am I am we're on another writer

[02:03:09] you know the story has not been greenlit there's no director attached to it you know and it's just disappointing. MS. Yeah I think I think we're definitely getting Blade but at this point I wouldn't blame Mahershala Ali if he says okay you know nice idea.

[02:03:28] AC I'll pass. MS. Yeah I'll catch you in the next cameo fest about as the Blade that could have been. Yeah yeah I don't know fingers crossed I don't necessarily need him to be Blade although I think he's perfect casting. I do think there's other people out there

[02:03:45] who can be perfect casting. I do think we'll get the movie but I understand you're losing faith. AC I am I am I've lost faith and that I would get to see another Blade within the next

[02:03:59] three four even five years. MS. I hope that um I mean they still yeah they still say like 2025 that's clearly not happening I'm hoping for 2026. AC Fingers crossed. MS. Fingers crossed fingers crossed and hopefully the success of this movie will make them be like

[02:04:17] you know what maybe we can let Blade be a little more violent and weird. AC I mean they should they should I mean the first you know the Wesley Snipes movies were violent and weird why shouldn't these MCU. MS. Right and that helped make Marvel.

[02:04:30] AC Exactly so why shouldn't the MCU version um be the same you know I don't want to sanitize you know Disney 5 you know Baby Blade. MS. Baby Blade. AC I don't want that no thank you. MS. Now I want a Baby Blade variant just like in a

[02:04:48] not in the Blade movie but some future film they have all the Blade variants Baby Blade. Uh okay well uh anything else you want to say about the film before we wrap it up?

[02:05:02] AC No just you know I enjoyed it and um I can't say that I went into it thinking that I would enjoy it as much as I did um to be honest uh so my expectation for where I would land on it was

[02:05:18] you know very muted um but I enjoyed it so yeah take it from someone who is avowed is not a fan of the character but I'm a fan of this movie. MS. Okay okay well that's as ringing an endorsement

[02:05:36] as someone can give yeah it was a fun watch um I think that it is it's good for getting people reinvigorated in the franchise and also I think that they probably are like tying up some things

[02:05:51] and seeding some other things um it shows I think that they they know where they're going now I hope at least when in terms of pointing towards these main two Avengers films I do have that feeling

[02:06:04] now that they're like okay we have a clear path we know what we're doing with these films. AC Yeah I think you know like you said we got the Robert Downey Jr. news a day after the release of the

[02:06:15] film so it can't be an accident yeah it's not an accident definitely so you know it's there's there's a plan in place um and we'll have to wait to see how the plan works out but if this

[02:06:31] movie was part was part of the plan then that portends good things. MS. Yeah yeah yeah and you and I will be back talking about the MCU at least uh with weekly coverage of Agatha all along now

[02:06:45] that the first trailer looks good right? AC Yeah looking forward to that lean into the horror stuff yes please give me the horror give me the demon witch or whatever lean into it just just go

[02:06:57] full board on that stuff this yeah I'm cool with that I want that. MS. And you like the comics character too right? AC Yeah I like Agatha you know she's a different character and and uh.

[02:07:07] MS. You know what's weird is I've actually read her in strange comic but I haven't read her in Wanda comic I mean not much like more in strange comics than Wanda comics at least.

[02:07:18] AC I mean she hasn't been in the in the recent you know. MS. Because I went back further yeah. AC Yeah she hasn't been in the recent Scarlet Witch comics at all.

[02:07:26] MS. Yeah yeah and of course we will do one shots for any animated series that may or may not be released this year um next weekend is D23 which is like the big Disney plus day so I'm guessing we

[02:07:40] didn't get any TV announcements at comic-con I'm guessing they're saving TV announcements for that and maybe like these animated series about like the Spider-Man series and the Wakanda series and Marvel zombies maybe we'll finally find out when they're releasing uh but yeah we'll do one shots

[02:07:55] for those for sure right. AC Yeah definitely and you know we'll be here for all of that stuff and just you know since we're talking about you know comic-con um DC where are you? MS. You and I were we've been mapping out the upcoming DC releases.

[02:08:12] AC It's a lot. MS. Yeah. AC Allegedly it's a lot. MS. Allegedly. AC All right so James Gunn where you at? MS. Yeah. AC Where you at? MS. Yeah they they unveiled a new logo that was the one announcement I saw.

[02:08:26] AC Yeah. MS. Yeah yeah um we've got we've got uh you and I we decided we're gonna cover the Folio De the new Joker movie. AC Yes yes.

[02:08:36] MS. Uh and we've got um Penguin coming out I think maybe we'll do a one shot for that but I think we might be doing that hopefully plans are on our new feed.

[02:08:46] AC On a new feed so pay attention to that coming up and you know just again with the DC stuff the conceit is that you know people know these characters right they know Batman and no Superman

[02:09:00] no Wonder Woman you know gets part of you know the culture so we don't have to do much. DC James Gunn you gotta do a lot you have to do a lot and these. MS. Well yeah they don't need to repeat like the Superman origin story please.

[02:09:20] AC No I don't think they are. I don't think thank goodness they they're not. MS. And not for Fantastic Four either. AC Yeah thank goodness for that as well. MS. Yeah. AC Um but yeah you just there's there's this

[02:09:32] built-in conceit that you know everybody knows who these characters are so we're doing the movie so yeah here we go no you gotta put in the groundwork to get people invested in what you're

[02:09:43] doing and it has been very lackluster for me um so far um this James Gunn era as far I know there's no shows I'm not talking about that I'm just talking about have the fans give the fans something

[02:10:01] to want to stick around for the eventual movies and tv shows that you're doing and I think they're doing a piss poor job of that currently so step up your game step up your game.

[02:10:16] MS. Yep okay that's a good note to end on uh so we'll be back to talk about those things but in the meantime of course there's going to be lots of coverage on the Lorehounds this

[02:10:32] oh why is everything playing twice um AC Because it's so good that's why MS. It's so good. AC Play it twice because it's so nice MS. There is uh of course ongoing House of the Dragon coverage one more episode

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[02:11:58] canon myths of the old republic lots of cis stuff a flood story a werewolf story uh we also have an episode coming up next month I think with uh Jean and I talking about phase two of the high republic

[02:12:13] we're reading the comics and all that fun stuff yeah and on Wolshift Dust Luke and I are putting out probably shortly after this episode comes out Luke and I's reactions to Comic-Con news about

[02:12:28] Silo season two which we found out is going to be starting November 14th so you can look for that on the Wolshift Dust feed and on the Wolshift Dust book club um I'm putting out this uh this week by

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[02:12:53] other the other affiliates are on a break but obviously keep you posted and you can go through those backlogs as well you'll find all that again in the link tree in the show notes um anything

[02:13:05] you're looking forward to in general Jean? Everything. Everything. You know me I'm looking forward to everything you know so um you know really all the MCU stuff that's all coming this fall totally looking forward to it I'm about to watch um when the the Batman animated series comes

[02:13:23] out on Amazon yeah I'll get into that as well so yeah there's a lot of stuff coming up. I started the new Kite Man series. Oh okay yeah how do you like it? Yeah I mean it's it's not like as

[02:13:36] it's so it's a spin-off of the Harley Quinn animated series for those who don't know which is a very rated R animated series and I love that series and this one like I love it because

[02:13:44] I love the Harley Quinn one but I think it still needs to find its like tone its place but Bane who's a very popular character in the Harley Quinn series plays a big role in this. Okay cool

[02:13:55] great yeah so I recommend it to those who are fans. I'm not um I finished the first season of Harley which was really really good. Yeah you gotta you gotta catch up on Harley Quinn first

[02:14:06] because this is because Kite Man plays a role in that series and you need his soul stories to set up this yeah. Okay um yeah no I'm yeah I'm looking forward to like I've already it's already been

[02:14:17] such a banger year for TV and film and there's so much coming out at the end of the year like you're me doing weekly coverage of Dune, weekly coverage of Agatha, weekly coverage of um of

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