MCUniverse: Our Fox Marvel funeral (Deadpool & Wolverine prep)

[00:00:00] This summer, we enter a new era of Star Wars. You mean the dawn of the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast? Yeah, yeah sure, that too. But I was obviously talking about the acolyte. We've got to cover that on The Lorehounds.

[00:00:18] Oh, but the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast is exactly at that point in the timeline, the end of the High Republic, 100 years before the prequel trilogy. We've got to cover it there. Why not both? Okay, deal. It's the first live action Star War outside the Skywalker saga.

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[00:00:52] Wherever you like to listen, a couple of days after each new episode is released. Welcome to The Lorehounds MC Universe, your guides to the Marvel multiverse of production drama and smart mouth mercs. I'm Alicia. And I'm Jean.

[00:01:41] I'm glad to be back on the mic to talk some Marvel news, X-Men comics, and the entire Fox Marvel filmography. Yeah, we're getting into it. In this podcast, we're going to catch up on the latest in the world of Marvel moviemaking,

[00:01:56] Jean's X-Men thoughts and current comic reading, and which films are worth watching this month before Deadpool and Wolverine's July release allegedly quote unquote kills the Fox Marvel universe. Warning, we reserve the right to spoil everything that Marvel has ever made.

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[00:03:10] So real quick on the Marvel stuff, there's also a new feature that was added a little while ago by Marvel Comics. So you'll see what I'm reading weekly. I'll drop my thoughts on what I thought was my best buys for the week.

[00:03:27] And anyone is welcome to join us and tell us what you're reading, tell us what you want to read. Let's talk about it all. Yeah, it's good to be back on the mic with you, Jean. And you've been busy on the Discord too.

[00:03:41] You've been enjoying your... wait for it. What are you most into at the moment? Wow. At the moment, I'm into everything. I'm just catching up on a lot of stuff that you guys have done over the last month and

[00:04:00] a half, all the pods that I missed out on. And I'm just really brushing up on my Star Wars. You know, of course, I'm heavily involved in watching the Acolyte and giving my thoughts on how horrible the Jedi are. They're complicated. Yeah, they're complicated horribly. They're horribly complicated.

[00:04:21] How about that? You know, so I'm watching Denim and joined the boys as well. The first three episodes that dropped were amazing to me. Yeah. And I'm here for everything that we have going on right now. Yeah. I'm glad to be talking Marvel with you again.

[00:04:40] Obviously, we'll be back in a month to break down Deadpool and Wolverine. I think we probably will both agree Agatha all along warrants weekly coverage in September. Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. That's going to be must watch. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm very excited about that. Speaking of witches.

[00:05:00] And don't think that we've forgotten about the DC and versus plans we've teased either. Yeah, I think we should probably talk about Joker too when it comes out in October. Yes, yes, yes. Elseworlds. I can say that. We can definitely do a Joker to break down.

[00:05:17] That would be great. The DC versus that's going to be awesome. So we're going to be expanding and talking about all things DC as well as all things more just FYI out there. Get ready for, you know, a lot of Superman breakdowns.

[00:05:33] Well, so yeah, so we get to practice. We were going to say say our goodbyes to the DCEU with a power ranking. So we're going to practice saying our goodbyes to the Fox Marvel Universe today with a power of three. You're glad to see it go.

[00:05:49] You're like, goodbye. Yeah, I can't wait to get to the rest. OK, so this episode, we have a packed episode. We're going to talk through some of the Marvel biggest Marvel news of the year so far, since we haven't really gotten a chance to respond to it together.

[00:06:05] We're going to check in with Jean about his thoughts on X-Men 97, the newest X-Men comics he's reading right now and get some comic recs. And also we're going to in the second half, we're going to prep for Deadpool and Wolverine,

[00:06:18] the film being called Deadpool Kills the Marvel Fox Universe. And Jean and I have watched all 18 Marvel Fox films, not necessarily recently, so that you don't have to. And we've ranked them with tons of nostalgic bias for sure.

[00:06:34] So we're going to talk through which ones are worth your time, which characters are expected to turn up in the new film. And yeah, Deadpool and Wolverine comes out July 26th in US, July 24th in Europe and elsewhere. I believe the 26th. Yeah.

[00:06:50] So that gives listeners about a month to catch up on whatever they want. How many of these movies roughly do you think are actually worth watching? I mean, you're going to say, yeah, OK, you're going to say even the Deadpool movies aren't, but the Deadpool movies are worthwhile.

[00:07:07] No, yeah, you should watch the Deadpool movies just to get a sense of for the character. If you haven't seen the movies before or if you haven't heard of the character and you're just walking in, definitely watch the Deadpool movies.

[00:07:21] I won't disparage them because Deadpool just isn't my favorite character. But but the movies folks really enjoyed them. So I'm not going to poo poo on the Deadpool series. Yeah. Well, did you speaking of things you do like, did you get a chance to watch the new Spider

[00:07:42] Within Spider-Man short Miles Morales short? Yeah, that was amazing. And it was very it brought up a lot of emotions for me and thinking of my own relationship with my father, as well as my relationship with, you know, my beautiful seven year old little boy. Just. You know.

[00:08:06] Remembering how. My father was of a very of an older generation, you know, new immigrant to the US. So we didn't growing up, we didn't really have those moments where we would speak about how I'm doing or about how he's doing.

[00:08:28] That only came to us as I grew into my adulthood. And those are memories that I cherish, you know, him asking me about my day and how I'm feeling and how I'm doing. We got to talk about a lot of things later on in life.

[00:08:46] And I'm reminded when I was watching the Spider Within how I want to be able to do that sooner with my kid. Right. You know, I want him to have those memories a lot sooner than I did with my dad. My dad was always present.

[00:09:04] He was super awesome. He was a wonderful man. But I wish that when I was younger. There's a generational difference. Yeah. Yeah. So I just wish that when I was younger, I had that connection to him that I got as I got older. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:25] No, I mean, that's beautiful to hear that you connected it with it in that way because that didn't necessarily wasn't necessarily what I saw from it. But it is also a short about anxiety, which is a very real thing for me.

[00:09:38] So that for me, that was the part I connected with this portrayal of like how he, you know, experiences this paralyzing fear when he's just on his own. And you know, it doesn't matter if you're a superhero. You're fighting a spider within.

[00:09:54] And I think that's a wonderful thing to have brought out in this space that we exist in because so many people are dealing with a lot of things. And to be able to see it on screen from a hero's perspective, I think it's something

[00:10:14] that's really overdue on screen and kind of needed. And again, it just, you know, those moments where you have. Those feelings that that well up in you and you don't know what to do about them.

[00:10:31] Having a hit for me, him, you know, going to his dad and just being able to say, hey, can I talk to you for a minute? And that is super important to have someone in your life to be able to do that with.

[00:10:46] Not many of us are blessed with that. Not many of us are able to say that they have that connection with someone so close to them. And for Miles to have it, especially, you know, in the superhero space, especially in

[00:11:00] the in this space where, you know, race plays a large part in our what we consume and the conversations around fatherhood and black fathers really is needed because we are present in the lives of our children.

[00:11:23] And that was something else that hit for me because it was like, yeah, this is this is a dad who cares about his kid, who, you know, his kid is in the living is in the bedroom. He's in the living room watching TV.

[00:11:35] I remember that from, you know, I remember walking downstairs and seeing my father. And so forth, vice versa. And it's an important distinction to make because so many times we're told that as a black man, that you're not present in the lives of your family.

[00:11:56] And that is something that's very far from true for a lot of folks. Right. So that perspective, I think, is also needed and was welcomed by me. Right. Well, if anyone wants to check this out for themselves, you can find it on YouTube. It's called The Spider Within.

[00:12:12] It's set between Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse and Across the Spider-Verse, directed by Jarell Dampier and written by Kalea Amason. And yeah, it was it was done in collaboration with the Kevin Love Fund to promote mental

[00:12:29] health awareness. Now, I don't know who Kevin Love is because he's a basketball player. Sports ball. Sports ball, I love it. But you're familiar. He's a basketball player. He's a fairly accomplished basketball player, very accomplished basketball player who's

[00:12:47] been very open with his own mental health well-being for many years now. So this is a welcome conversation that, you know, little tidbit of Spider-Man's life showed. Yeah. Yeah. It's summarized as Miles Morales starts to feel the pressure of his life as Spider-Man,

[00:13:09] which results in a scary, trippy little jaunt through his subconscious. Yeah. And we all can relate to that. Yeah. There was also a cool new what if immersive thing that came out for Apple Pro users. Now, neither of us get to try it. No, no.

[00:13:27] I do not have any Apple products, let alone. Neither do I, actually. Yeah. But Eric Voss on New Rockstars did a breakdown of it. So that was that was cool to see if anyone wants to check out that video.

[00:13:42] It's cool because it's like kind of from the viewpoint of the villains. So it looks it looks like a fun thing. If you have an Apple Pro, I would try it. Definitely.

[00:13:52] And definitely if you do get to try it, then please write in and tell us how it is. Yeah. Leave us a comment. Let us know how it is. What do you think of the fantastic forecastings that have been announced? I'm with it. Yeah. I mean, it's Pedro.

[00:14:08] Yeah. So there was. I say it like I know him, right? No, yeah. That's Pedro. That's my guy. No, it's OK. It's my husband. I mean, there were doubts and I was among the doubts about him as Reed Richards when it was being kicked around.

[00:14:24] But now I'm on board. I'm like, OK, yeah. I think Vanessa Kirby is perfect to Sue Storm. Yeah. Some people are complaining about Joseph Quinn's Johnny Storm. That's he's the guy who played Eddie in Stranger Things, which I think he's great.

[00:14:41] Yeah, I don't have a problem with any of the casting. I know. And I love Eben Moss Bacharach, who. Yeah. So he's from The Bear. He's from Andor. I think he's going to be really good.

[00:14:53] No, I think the film is shaping up to be from the little that we know of it. You know, it might be something really, really special, actually. And I wasn't so familiar with Ralph Ennison who's going to play Galactus.

[00:15:06] But once I heard his voice, I was like, yeah, OK, we're. I did a proper Galactus, please. Yeah. We'll get into this later. But just a proper Galactus. That's all I'm if they give me that the movie is successful.

[00:15:24] How do you feel about so Julia Garner's been cast as the shallow bell, sorry, shallow ball version of Silver Surfer? I'm cool with it. So in the yeah. So in the comments, I haven't I'm not really a fantastic person.

[00:15:39] So I'm hoping that this is going to like get me tapped into it because you're going to see this movie is a ranked kind of low in mine. But well, you saw mine. I didn't I didn't make mine my life.

[00:15:50] I looked I looked away and OK, OK, OK. The only thing I saw was that we had I just blacked it out. But the only thing I saw is that we had the same number one. But I would have been shocked if we didn't. OK, OK.

[00:16:04] But so there was also sort of Keith Stanfield. He he spoke up at one point. He's like, I thought I was going to be the Silver Surfer. So now people think maybe he is being cast as Norrin Radd.

[00:16:14] And so Shalabal, for anyone who doesn't know, is like the romantic partner of Norrin Radd, who is the most common Silver Surfer in the comics. Yes. So it. We're not sure what universe this takes place in.

[00:16:32] Right. So, yeah, I mean, because it seems to be like set in the 60s, retrofuturistic sort of vibe. So we don't know, you know, the particulars of what the story will be. But, you know, Shalabal as, you know, Silver Surfer is fine with me.

[00:16:50] I think it just depends on what the story is. Right. Mm hmm. I mean, the characters are the characters. I'm excited about it. Yeah. She seems I did a little reading up on her character. No, she's cool. And she yeah, she seems cool.

[00:17:03] Like she's from another planet. She's like an empress. Like, yeah, she's a very cool character. And I know, you know, the usual suspects were up in arms. But right. Well, I'm done with them. Yeah. You know, don't think about it. They could kick rocks.

[00:17:18] We also going to have we don't know who's going to be Victor Von Doom. So this is, of course, everyone's waiting with bated breath. And also there's going to be the robot Herbie. And we don't know who's going to voice Herbie.

[00:17:30] But we know that three actors are confirmed associated with the movie. But we don't know for what parts. And that's John Malkovich, Paul Walter Hauser and Natasha Leone. And I don't think any of them would be a Victor Von Doom for me.

[00:17:47] But somebody suggests suggested Natasha Leone is Herbie. And I would love that she has such a cool voice. Is Herbie in the movie? Yeah, Herbie's in the movie. Oh, that that escaped me. OK. All right. I could see Natasha Leone voicing Herbie.

[00:18:06] Mm hmm. I could hear a voice. That's Herbie. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that would be fun. So yeah, just a reminder for anyone who doesn't know that Disney, the reason like all this stuff is happening with the Fantastic Four and X-Men

[00:18:18] and stuff the way it is now is because Fox had the rights to those properties in particular and some others that we'll talk about when we do our Fox rankings and Disney bought Fox and thus folded all the Fox Marvel properties back into the MCU.

[00:18:36] So Deadpool is going to like kill them off more or less. And they can they can bring over anyone they want. Do you think they'll bring any characters from the Fox universe over into the MCU? God, no, no, no. I do hope they start over with the X-Men.

[00:18:54] Yeah, everything needs a reboot. Everything is actors included. Sorry. Mm hmm. No, no. I mean, they've already rebooted the cast for Fantastic Four. Yeah. So no, there's no reason any there there should be no remnants of the Fox universe.

[00:19:12] The back half of the episode is our personal funeral for the Fox Marvel. Yes. Yes. Yeah, and I guess we have to address the Blade behind the scenes drama. So the latest is that the director, Jan DeMange, was he exited the movie

[00:19:30] and there's a new screenwriter, Eric Pearson, who he did like the Fantastic Four, one of the movies are going to talk about Black Widow or Ragnarok. What somebody pointed out to me about him is that he's a get it across the finish line kind of guy.

[00:19:45] So maybe this is a good sign. I hope you're right, because when I heard the news that Jan was leaving, again, I see these people as if I know them. I say that, you know, we know their first name basis, first name basis.

[00:19:59] Right. When I heard he was leaving, my thought was. Very dark, because I just think that Iger and his views are being. Just he's I don't know how to explain it, but Iger wants to go back to a time when the only superheroes were white men.

[00:20:29] And that's what I really believe in my heart and heart. He didn't used to be like that. I know it's it's the businessman and he used to be the creatives friend. And now it's like the businessman in him is like, oh, well,

[00:20:41] the right wing people are crying. Yeah. Yeah. So I really feel like, you know, there are a lot of projects that that will suffer because of this new outlook on what Disney wants to be the home of not just every superhero of every stripe,

[00:20:59] but the home of specific superheroes. And that's where my mind went to when I heard about yet another, you know, delay with Blade. Like, could it be like the head of the studio of the company saying, you know, pump the brakes on this black guy,

[00:21:20] this black character who's a vampire? And, you know, let's let's go back and do something that will appeal to our audience. Well, I'm going to say no for one. OK. So I think there's two. I'm going to say yes for one reason or no for one reason.

[00:21:36] I'm going to say no, because I think they just know like, you know, nobody bet on Blade back in the day. And it was a home run. And I think they still remember that. And they're like, this is an easy win, even though they keep messing it up.

[00:21:51] They have Mahershala Ali, who's a bankable. Right. And they have a. Yeah, exactly. He built part of his career on that, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But they have Mahershala Ali, who's, you know, undeniably a bankable movie star.

[00:22:05] But on the other hand, they have pledged for an R rating, which cuts into the final amount of money that they will make at the box office. Like I said, we'll see what happens with with Deadpool and Wolverine.

[00:22:19] Yeah. Yeah. It's just that that's the place that I went to when I heard the news. I couldn't be wrong. I'm not saying this is, you know, set in stone. This is how it is, why it is.

[00:22:29] But it's just yeah, it's just a vibe that I got from Iger's comments over the last two years about, you know, diversity. About, yeah, that we're going to focus on the superheroes that people like, but nobody was into Iron Man and Captain America

[00:22:46] until Feige made them into them. Until they made them. So that's that's my thing. So hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully that is not the driving force behind, you know. They've got to look at, you know, Black Panther is also one of the biggest grossing films in the MCU.

[00:23:02] Yeah. It's the only one that got an Oscar. That's I know. But Black Panther two for various reasons was was panned. And even the original Black Panther was, you know. They protested that one as well. Well, so, you know, until it made money and then they're like,

[00:23:21] until they made money, until they made money. So we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong. Yeah. And that assumption. And I'll, you know, be very happy to be wrong about that. Editor Alicia popping in after recording, Jean shared a new article on Discord from The Hollywood Reporter

[00:23:39] that outlined in more depth the behind the scenes blade shuffle. And Jean said, to quote him directly, my fears about Iger being the voice behind the blade BS have been squashed. So just that update. I'll link to that article in the show notes for anyone who's curious

[00:23:55] and also link to the videos that we are talking about just before that. OK, back to the conversation. Someone and it might have been Eric Voss. I can't remember. Someone was suggesting what if this rejiggering of the blade stuff

[00:24:07] is because they are trying to line up a Midnight Suns movie more quickly, which I am. I'm excited for Blade. I am like beyond excited for Midnight Suns. Yeah, so am I. But that doesn't make sense to me. That doesn't make sense to me.

[00:24:24] You I don't think you can introduce the Midnight Suns in the MCU without reintroducing Blade into the MCU. No, I mean, no, I mean, they're going to do Blade first, but maybe they are tweaking the Blade story to set up this Midnight Suns story. Hmm. Could be.

[00:24:44] Could be. I was so excited that what's his face, Michael, what's his face from Blue-Eyed Samurai was writing and now. Yeah. Yeah, because last time I rocked, I keep my mind open and my hopes. I mean, I forgot the word. I forgot what he said, but.

[00:25:04] It was a it was a great it was a great show. And the thing is. We can't be I don't want to be the cynical guy, but I'm forced to be the cynical guy, you know, and I'm just like, I just want the movie, man.

[00:25:21] Yeah, I just want the movie, you know, just make the movie. Give me it's been three, four years. We're talking about this. Just commit to it. And let's go. You know, Wesley Snipes was making jokes about. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. I saw I saw Wesley on Twitter.

[00:25:37] Fair. It is fair. Definitely. You got to bring the homie back in to the MCU. You got to he has to he has to get his flowers. He has to get his flowers. So I'm excited, though.

[00:25:50] Mia Goth is supposed to be in Blade two, and she's like a horror queen to me after the whole T-West Maxine. Maxine's the newest movie. It's X and then Pearl. And then, oh, yeah, a lot of horror fans rave about them. But I haven't seen those yet.

[00:26:07] Yeah, no, I mean, and it it is because of T-West, but it's also because of her, because she's just like so magnetic and like such a chameleon. And yeah, well, no spoilers. OK, OK, OK. But yeah, so Bob Iger, he says they're reducing output in coming years,

[00:26:25] which I don't think is a bad thing. You know, I think we can have just a, you know, four or five titles a year. Yeah, that's fine. As long as they work. You know, that's that's my thing. It's like it's not about the output, it's about the quality.

[00:26:43] So if you if you can make quality programs, quality shows and you're doing three or four a year, that's fine. If you can make quality programs and movies and shows and you're making seven, eight a year, that's great, too.

[00:26:56] But you have to be able to to have the quality because you can have four movies out and they all stink. Yeah. Right. What does that mean? It means that the movies stink. It wasn't about the amount of movies. It was about the movies that you made.

[00:27:11] So as long as you're making good stuff, I don't think the amount that you make matters to me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, after Deadpool and Wolverine, we're only getting one more live action thing this year, so it better be good. But it's all reports, all reports about Agatha

[00:27:28] all along are quite positive that I've heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have faith in in the in the team that's making the show. So I'm really and she's awesome. Yeah. You know, Agatha is an awesome character. Yeah. And we've got a lot of is stepping in.

[00:27:47] Yeah. Some great actors are in this. So this will be good. And yeah, so that's going to start with a double episode drop on September 18th and then go weekly for seven, you know, for eight episodes total. I love though.

[00:28:03] I love how they trolled us with the titles like they kept switching the titles and people like, come on. So we had House of Harkness and Covenant of Chaos, the Darkhold Diaries. And then the last one was really nice. One. Yeah. The Lying Witch with Great Wardrobe.

[00:28:17] We're like, come on, you're trolling. That's the best one out of the bunch. And then they're like, yeah, we're trolling you. It's Agatha because it's Agatha all along. All along. I'm super excited for that. We might get more animation this year.

[00:28:31] Maybe, maybe we've been kind of promised the your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, the new Spider-Man like near universe story with Daredevil in it. And also Eyes of Wakanda, which I'm excited about. Eyes of Wakanda, now that I hear it's going to be set in all different timelines.

[00:28:51] Time periods. Yeah. You get a fuller Wakandan history on screen, so that should be interesting. It should be fun. And there's apparently going to be like a previous version of Iron Fist in there. Yeah, because, you know, these these characters have always existed.

[00:29:10] So it's not just, you know, it's not Danny Rand who's been Iron Fist, just like it hasn't always been. You know, Stephen Strange as the Sorcerer Supreme. Right, exactly. Wow. And he's not in our universe. Well, and then, yeah.

[00:29:28] So then in 2025, there's four films and two shows planned, which is kind of a lot. I have to wonder if some of them are going to get bumped. I'm looking at you. Think you think allegedly we're getting Captain America, Brave New World in February,

[00:29:45] which there have been a lot of reshoots drama stuff around that one, too. Daredevil Board again in March. Obviously, also a lot of reshoot drama. But I think they are prioritizing that one because they think they know like this is one. Everyone agrees on. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:03] We have Thunderbolts with an asterisk, the asterisk to be explained after the movie's release, apparently, which is allegedly May 5th, 2025. The previously discussed Fantastic Four, July 25th and allegedly Blade, November 7th. We'll see. And we're supposed to get Ironheart also. Oh, wait, that's five films. Yeah.

[00:30:29] Oh, no, no. Sorry. I don't know. I heard it's a TV show. Right, right, right. No. Yeah, I'm excited for Ironheart because that is maybe we're going to get some more magic side, like some maybe some devilish action. So I'm excited for it because really.

[00:30:45] Yeah, I just need more. Riri Williams in my life. Listen, I like you. No, that's true. But I like the demons of magic. And yeah, I feel like maybe we'll get Marvel Zombies Halloween next year, although maybe even Halloween this year, because like it's only four episodes.

[00:31:06] They've been working on it forever. It's got to be done, right? Yeah. I mean, that it would be great if it dropped this Halloween. Yeah, I mean, super awesome. We're getting already Agatha all along around that time. But yeah, delight us.

[00:31:19] So I think it would be great if we got this Halloween. Yeah. And also, what if season three? I'm guessing next year for that. No, I don't think it'll be this year. Yeah, it's well in progress, but still.

[00:31:34] And then, yeah, we still have like all this stuff on the slate for 2026 and beyond. They haven't, you know, as much as Iger said, we're going to focus more. It doesn't seem like they are canceling things that they've announced, really, which I'm not. I'm OK.

[00:31:48] I'm happy with. I want the stuff. Yeah, absolutely. We want it all. But will we get it all? I think no. Yeah. Unfortunately. So we have armor wars and developments. We've got Avengers five, which may or may not still be named the Kang Dynasty.

[00:32:04] We've got secret wars, of course, that's going to stick. That's supposed to be so we're supposed to get Kang Dynasty in 2026 and Secret Wars in 2027. And sometime we I was I don't know before or after that, probably after that we're going to have a new Spider-Man trilogy.

[00:32:22] Yeah, I would think it would be after Secret Wars. Yeah. And all those Spider-Man's definitely going to show up in Secret Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the standalone Spider-Man movie probably was. And then we're supposed to get a sequel to Shang-Chi. This Nova movie TV show.

[00:32:40] Richard Ryder's presentation. I don't know. Nova something. Yeah. There's definitely an X-Men movie in development, but I would say that should be after Secret Wars. And they reset, although I don't know, because the way they set things up with the marbles. Yeah, that's true.

[00:32:58] And then, you know, on the show side, I'm super excited about Vision Quest. Maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I've been really excited about that since White Vision flew off at the end of WandaVision. And I'm hoping that it sets up the West Coast Avengers for similar reasons.

[00:33:16] I'm also excited about Wonder Man. I am not excited about Wonder Man because I do not want Yaya to play Wonder Man. Why? I don't want him to play Simon Williams. Why not? Because it's. I just just give him a traditionally black role.

[00:33:39] Just make because you don't want the pushback or whatever from the trolls or. Because he's not it's. As a as a reader of the comic, you know, I know Wonder Man is not he he's not a very well known. No, you know, character.

[00:33:59] So you can do whatever you want with them. But again, I just there's a there's a dearth of there's a lot. There are a lot of black heroes. Right. So you would just rather. Yeah, just if you're going to. Yeah. Just bring one of those comics to life.

[00:34:15] I was like they had the perfect casting for Wonder Man, which was Nathan Fillion. He was going to be. That would have been. Yes. Alexey. And that could definitely. Yes, definitely could see Nathan Fillion as as Simon Williams. That would have been genius casting.

[00:34:30] I guess, you know, they they wanted to go younger or something. You're not a weirdo. You are a genius because that would have been genius casting. I know there's even there are pictures like people can Google online and see pictures of him in costume on set like.

[00:34:45] We almost had it. That would have been great. So, yeah. And it's not against it's not Yaya, you know, because I think he's he's a great actor. He's going to do well. It's going to be dope. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, it's going to be dope.

[00:34:57] You know, it's going to be I'm going to watch it. I'm probably going to like it. I'm going to be like, oh, you should watch this. Yeah. I feel like I've only seen him play more serious characters, though.

[00:35:06] So I don't know much about his comedic timing, but I assume they wouldn't cast him if they didn't think he had it. So but Simon Williams doesn't have to be played for. For me, I guess he could be laughed at.

[00:35:18] I mean, I just have a feeling it's going to be a comedy show. And he and he has been a serious character. Like he's had some really, like terrible arcs in the comic books. You know, once we get closer to the show, we'll talk about it.

[00:35:33] But there's some really, you know, crazy stuff that that guy goes through. But again, it's not it's not about Yaya. It's just about bringing, you know, other characters that people may not know to life. And I would have appreciated, I think,

[00:35:48] that being the way they went with a character with a actor of Yaya's, you know, ilk. OK, OK. OK, well, yeah, there there are more rumors of well, there's like rumors of an Akoya spin off in Wakanda, which,

[00:36:05] you know, I think if you have access to Danai Gurira, then you better give her as much work as you can put her on screen as much as possible. And yet there's rumors of a season two maybe in development or they're pulling the feelers out for Ms. Marvel.

[00:36:21] I've heard it about Moon Knight. I've heard it about a bunch of stuff. So I guess we just have to wait and see what this fewer releases is going to lead to. I want more Ms. Marvel. Yeah, we all do. Yeah.

[00:36:35] And of course, we know for sure that we are getting another season of X-Men 97. So, Jean, what were your overall thoughts on season one of X-Men 97? Oh, I loved it. I know. Short and brief, short and brief. I loved it. You know, it was it was awesome television.

[00:36:57] You know, we don't often say that animation is must see event viewing. But for me, it was event viewing. You know, I waited, you know, anxiously for each new drop. So, yeah, I loved it. That's the other way to put it.

[00:37:16] I think it was a great, great reintroduction to the X-Men characters. It was a great continuation of the original series. Made me listen to Whitney Houston a whole lot more once it came out. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go listen to I'm Your Baby

[00:37:39] tonight and then listen to the X-Men theme. So, yeah, I just really I loved it. I loved it. I think it was great. Thought it was great. What were your favorite parts of it? Cyclops and Storm. I think they did a tremendous job with their characters

[00:38:03] for different reasons. I thought Cyclops was finally given, you know, a meatier, juicier portrayal on screen. I heard you and John. We're going to get into the Cyclops. J-Cubed, you will be vindicated. The Cyclops for me.

[00:38:23] Yeah. So I thought he was I thought he was a great character. I thought Storm was just. Yeah, she's just awesome. And it was great to see her being played as awesome. Mm hmm. Not as, you know, in any ways limited by her own fears or, you know,

[00:38:49] depowered, nerfed or whatever you want to call it. She was fully herself. A mega level, which is something that I've been waiting to see on screen for a long time. Right. And they said it. They said a mega level threat detective.

[00:39:05] Yeah. About her and Magneto, which is appropriate. Yes. Yes. So those two things were for me the highlight. Those two characters for me. Right. I thought the cameos were really cool. Yeah. Seeing Vulcan, Cyclops' long lost brother, who he doesn't know about yet in the in the series.

[00:39:27] That was really cool to get a flash of him with the Imperial Guard. Yeah. So that was really awesome to see as well. Yeah, just these are I thought they did a really good job of portraying what the X-Men comic really is about.

[00:39:51] Mm hmm. The ideas behind it. The raison d'etre of the original comic book. Really came to life in this animated series. Yeah. Yeah, I see that that you wrote down more Goblin Queen, much more. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:14] I loved I loved Goblin Queen and I want so there was morphed morph into magic once. I also love magic. Yeah, but I wanted more of her. Yeah, well, we'll talk about her in a little bit because I have ranked a certain movie a little too high

[00:40:31] just because I can't. Oh, really? Oh, that's interesting. Not obscenely high, but just OK. Not at the bottom. OK, OK. So, yeah, I think Maddie Pryor is is a cool character. She has a great character arc, you know, in the comics.

[00:40:50] Mm hmm. It was and I thought she deserved more screen time. You know, I thought she deserved more screen time, both as Madeline and as the Goblin Queen. Mm hmm. Yeah, that was my biggest gripe with the season was it just raced along a little too quickly.

[00:41:07] It could have just like slowed down. 50 percent, 25 percent even. And just given a beat for things to register before the next big thing happened, because it was it's it was just like rapid fire, one punch after another, like really.

[00:41:24] And this was one of the things that people loved about it. But it could have been like 25 percent slower. And another thing that I was grateful for in the storm arc was that Forge was very different on screen

[00:41:37] than he was in the comic that this is based on. Right. Because in the comic book, he was quite frankly like an abusive figure. Like some of them. Like I hated his portrayal. I hated the way that he talked to Storm.

[00:41:56] I hated the way that he was with her in the comic, because it was very abusive to me. So I was glad that they did not put that part that feel into their relationship, into into the story. Right. Yeah.

[00:42:20] But I know you did not like how they adapted Sunspot. Oh, I could. Yeah, the colorism with Sunspot, just, you know. His back, his backstory, like in the comic, he he's playing football and he's the one. Visibly darker black person on the team and his mutant abilities activate

[00:42:53] because he's being racially berated on the field of sport to take that component out. Right. Does a disservice to the character. And it does a further disservice to the character when what's his name? Beaumont was asked about it last year on Twitter.

[00:43:21] And he goes saying and he says making him black would take away or make him less Afro-Brazilian. Like what? So we have we have the the creator of the show saying making him a black man as he is in the comic book would take away from his Afro-Brazilian

[00:43:46] this makes absolutely no sense. It's comical. It's, you know. I don't have the words to really explain how disappointed I was. Yeah. When I read those comments and then to see the show play him as anything but black was really disappointing as well.

[00:44:09] Yeah, I know Brazil has a really diverse population with a huge population of Afro-Brazilian people. And yeah, that should be recognized and not erased. I agree. What do you think about the fact that Bomeo has exited the series for we don't know what reasons?

[00:44:30] We're not going to talk about the Oni fans is what you tell me. Well, no, I mean, I can't bring it. You can bring it up. But what they said is that that is not the only thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:44:42] I believe it's probably not the only thing, but I don't know. But so he wrote, it sounds like basically wrote at least the first version of season two. And then season three is going to be someone else overseeing the writing. But the rest of the team is there.

[00:44:56] I mean, it's a shame because he did an excellent job, Sunspot notwithstanding. You know what I'm saying? He did. It was a great series. And to have the person who primarily put it together, not being there for the future, you know, is disappointing. It is disappointing.

[00:45:15] And so I'm hoping that he won't be sorely missed. But, um, yeah, he did. He did a hell of a job with this series. Yeah, he really did. Yeah, he did. And you said you say here that you're like you think that Magneto

[00:45:33] Magneto was redeemed and Zazu was vilified. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like the acolyte with the Jedi. Yes. Yes. Yes. A Magneto was totally redeemed in this in this season. You know, he everything that he he had been saying was true.

[00:45:50] Mm hmm. Like you can't you can't look at this season and say Magneto was wrong. No, it's true. Hashtag Magneto was right. Yeah, you can't you can't do it. You can't do it. And Professor X, you know. Basically just disappearing, vilified. He ghosted them.

[00:46:09] Yes, that's that's how they knew where he went. He was dying. And they thought he was gone. I can't believe that he agreed to erase them from his mind. And I cannot believe that Lilandra would ask that of him. That's not love. I mean, no, that's not love.

[00:46:24] And, you know, that's yeah, that's that's a whole different conversation between Lilandra and Xavier. But when I say vilified, I really do mean that. If you know your parent or your surrogate parent disappeared on you, ghosted you and you. Presumed that they had died

[00:46:50] and then you see a video of said parent surrogate alive and well after you've mourned. I mean, and there's really no remorse. Hmm. He was not he he was not remorseful to me. Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he is. I think it's the complication of every character.

[00:47:15] And that's what I like. You know, that's not that same because an X-Men story at its heart is actually about the friendship between Xavier and and Magneto, you know, between Professor X and Magneto. I mean, because they're both complicated. They're neither always right or always wrong.

[00:47:36] They're both approaching things in different ways. But they think for the right reasons. Right. Exactly. And I think that, you know, the dynamic of Xavier as hero and Magneto as villain was turned on his head in this series.

[00:47:50] Mm hmm. Which is why I use the vilified villain role for Xav. Because, you know, I can argue that Magneto was the true hero of the series. Mm hmm. Now, whereas he was he was definitely positioned that way. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas Xavier was, you know.

[00:48:08] But will it stay that way? Because at the end, he did also he did a horrible he ripped Wolverine's adamantium out of his. Now he deserved that. He deserved that. Did he? Did he? Yeah, he deserved that. He deserved that. You know, man, he deserved that.

[00:48:22] Why? You know, that's that's the thing with with with Magneto is just that he does terrible things. Mm hmm. You can understand why he's doing terrible things, but he's still doing terrible things. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You don't you don't ever want to say to the person who's doing

[00:48:43] terrible things. Great job. Yeah. You don't want you don't want to do that. Right. But what I will say is that in this series, it showed how much he cared about people other than him. It showed how much he cared about people who even.

[00:49:03] For a long time, opposed him. Right. Yeah. Were who were enemies, who were enemies of his. And he tried to go a different way. And that different way didn't work. Yeah. So he went back to doing terrible things.

[00:49:20] I mean, I have a feeling that spoiler alert that might not work either. No, it might not work either. But I agree. But for the X-Men to, you know, basically just say, well, OK, you know, well, now he has to die. That's not cool either. Right. Right.

[00:49:38] And and and I can't. Blame him for being like, after all I did, I tried to turn a new leaf. Look at what they did. They did. Look at how many people died. And you guys are here to kill me. No, no, no.

[00:49:57] Let's get all this adamantium out of you, boy. Yeah. No, let's take it all out of you, boy. No way. You had to kill me. I'm the one who deserves death. No, no, no, no, no. We're not doing that.

[00:50:10] You sound like me defending the character of Mon in an interview with a vampire. Like I know he did bad things, but he was hurt. I mean, come on now. Come on now. Hurt people. Yeah, it's true. That's the truest thing in the world.

[00:50:26] You know, you guys are here to kill me out of everyone. I'm the one who deserves to die. Oh, come on. No, no. That can't stand. So speaking of characterizations being turned on their head. So John and I, when we talked about X-Men 97, rather flippantly

[00:50:46] referred to Cyclops as the most DC of the Marvel characters. And I have to quote something that I pulled from our discord that Jake Hubed wrote. And, you know, with with apologies up front for not giving this character its due.

[00:51:02] So Jake Hubed said, listening to the X-Men 97 recap, I have been a nearly lifelong X-Men fan. I am as well. I'm generally not a Cyclops fan, but he is anything but a DC character, at least later in the comics run.

[00:51:17] He becomes more of a magneto type figure in the struggles between mutants and humans. Also, he does not shoot laser beams. His eyes are actually interdimensional portals to, and I shit you not, the punch dimension. His rays are pure kinetic force, not lasers or heat,

[00:51:36] which I'll admit, I did not know that. So beloved the coverage and 100% agree, this is not a kid show. Feels like it was made more for the adult fans of the original series. Yep. Some of the animation looks so anime like stuff from Ninja Scroll.

[00:51:51] You are forgiven for not remembering, but because it was such a bad film more than that later, but Jubilee was in X-Men Apocalypse. And I still don't remember that. I looked it up and I'm like, yeah, she was. But I don't remember that.

[00:52:03] Also should absolutely search out Pride of the X-Men, which is essentially the pilot for the animated series. Yeah. The team roster was the same as the arcade game. Yeah. Hashtag justice for Kitty Pride. When is she coming? Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah. Hmm. You miss Kitty.

[00:52:24] But so I think he's spot on. Yeah, I think he's spot on. You see, he's not a DC character. Yeah. Well, I mean, I do. So in my John's defense, like we're thinking of the version that's in the 90s X-Men movies mostly.

[00:52:41] And he's more like the straight up Boy Scout. But I have to say it's in this season of X-Men, we have started to see the darkening of Cyclops as a character. Yeah, I think the the movies did him a disservice. What's his name? What's his name?

[00:52:58] I forgot the person who played Cyclops in the X-Men movies. I can see his face. James Marsden, right? Yeah. Yes, him. They did him a disservice in the films because at the point where the films were were were done.

[00:53:16] We already had a history of Cyclops being bested by Storm for control of to be the leader of the X-Men. You know, a depowered storm at that. So he had he he went on a on a whole redemption arc.

[00:53:34] Not not let me not say redemption, but he became a real leader, you know, with all the warts that you would expect of that leader. So he's not simply a one dimensional character where he's just a boy scout and that's it.

[00:53:56] He really has developed in the comics over the last 20 years. He's become something of an inspiration at points to other mutants. And he's become something of an antagonist to the superhero world. Right. At large because of his love

[00:54:16] and his willingness to do anything to protect mutants from extinction. OK, so very Magneto, indeed. Very Magneto, indeed. So he he's gone to great lengths to ensure that mutants would not become extinct in the comic books. And he's changed. He's had a relationship with, you know, Emma Frost

[00:54:45] and in the comic books, not just Jean Grey. He's not just a lovesick puppy for Jean Grey, you know, in the in the comics. So he's shown there's been a lot of growth of the character over the last 20, 25 years. Yeah. OK. I mean, that's fair.

[00:55:04] And you and Jake, you're absolutely right that that is evident in this last season of television. And I'm looking forward to seeing where that goes from here. Yeah. Any other corrections that you wanted to throw out from my conversation with John? Yeah. The Phoenix Force.

[00:55:22] So the Phoenix Force is much more than just a thing. Right. It's it existed at the birth of the universe. It will exist at the end of the universe. Some people think it will come about to be the end of the universe. It's the primordial.

[00:55:39] It's one of the major primordial beings of the universe. Think along the lines of Galactus, the eternity, the you know, these sorts of cosmic beings in the Marvel Universe. This is what the Phoenix Force is. On top of that, we have to understand as well that

[00:56:01] Jean Grey and the Phoenix are one. It's not just the entity has taken control of Jean Grey. The Phoenix is... They merge. Yeah. The Phoenix is. The nexus point for all psionic powers in the MCU. Everything that you could think of.

[00:56:25] All psychic, all everything, telekinesis, all of that stuff, all of that reading your mind, the Phoenix is the nexus point for all of it. So it chose. They may not say it chose, but because Jean Grey is such a powerful psychic in the Marvel MCU universe proper.

[00:56:51] It merged with Jean Grey. OK. We are at a point where now because of what they've done in the comics and the 21st century, especially over the last five years with the X-Men, where the Phoenix is an integral part of mutant hood.

[00:57:13] All mutants are connected to the Phoenix. OK. All mutants that ever existed have yet to exist, are existing, are connected to the Phoenix Force. OK. In the comics. Yeah. I don't know if that's going to play out on screen.

[00:57:32] But just, you know, just to give a little more nuance and more oomph to what the Phoenix Force is, it's not simply just a alien force. It's a really important being in the Marvel universe. OK. And that really important being is not connected to all mutants going forward.

[00:57:56] OK. Well, I'm about to pick your comics brain. But before we do that, I just have to ask quickly. So we got in X-Men 97 a lot of cameos. We got a lot of those morph cameos from characters we've seen briefly on screen before, things like that.

[00:58:11] But also we got a lot of cameos that hint at a potential crossovers with other 90s series revivals, namely Fantastic Four, Avengers, Spider-Man. How would you feel about an animated 90s Marvelverse? If it's done like we just watched, then I'm all for it. If they can replicate that.

[00:58:37] Yeah. If they can replicate that with other characters, then let's do it. Then let's do it. Yeah. So that's always a problem because then it ends up you can't have the same people doing everything at the same time. And then it goes to other people and it's like,

[00:58:51] yeah, we had a similar thing in the in the interview with the Vampire Universe. They started a Mayfair Witches, which is like it's another series of books that crossover. But then it was just it was a different team and they weren't as experienced

[00:59:06] and they didn't pull it off the same level. And it was like, well, well, well, OK, OK. But yeah, I would definitely welcome it if it could be done with the same pizzazz that X-Men 97 was done. Yeah. So, yeah. So you obviously know a lot about the comics

[00:59:27] that X-Men 97 first season was based on. Now I have two questions for you. One is what's up in Marvel Comics? Sorry, in X-Men specifically, comics now when you gave us a little preview talking about the Phoenix Force situation and also if someone wants to get into

[00:59:45] X-Men comics past or previous, where would you recommend somebody begin? Because it's an overwhelming sea of X-Men comics out there. OK, so the first question. This is a great time to jump on to the X-Men because they've just finished this major story arc

[01:00:07] from the last five years, the Krakoan era. And they're about to go. It's called X-Men from the Ashes. They're introducing like six, seven new comics. So this is a really good jumping in point if you want to get down with the X-Men in the 21st century.

[01:00:31] What this was personally, the last story arc was probably my favorite story arc for X-Men comics, period. OK. I'm putting it out there. It might be. Some people might give me some pushback on that. So what's what comics should people be?

[01:00:51] Should people begin with like House of X, Powers of X? OK, you start there and you you wind your way down throughout the Krakoan era. There are some amazing comics, X of Swords. Anything with the Krakoan tagline on it, I recommend.

[01:01:17] As a matter of fact, what I'll do is just put together a little reading list and I'll throw it on the comics discord for folks who want to jump into that. I think that it's some of my favorite writing about the X-Men basically is what if they won?

[01:01:34] Hmm. What if they got everything that they were striving for? For a mutant in the Marvel comics? What if it all worked out? Right. Yeah, this was some really it was some really great writing, some really great story arcs. It dealt with a lot of really good issues.

[01:01:58] How do you build a nation, maintain a nation? What are the rules that you set? Set nation up with. What does it mean to have a nation of mutants recognized by the world? Just how would what would the backlash be, if any? Yeah.

[01:02:19] How does that parallel with what we saw in X-Men 97 this season with Genosha? Because Genosha was not welcomed by everyone. Mm hmm. But in this case, it is. But Krakoa was welcomed by almost every mutant on the planet Earth.

[01:02:40] Oh, man, my reading list is going to be longer. And was recognized and was recognized, you know, as the first mutant nation. OK. Where every mutant, whether you were a criminal or not, was welcome. So it's basically what if what we saw in episode five of this season

[01:03:01] had worked instead of ending in tears and death? Yes. And not only had worked, but what if. It works so exceedingly well. How would Homo sapiens react? Right. What would what would mutants do? Totally well, right? Everyone's very happy and well adjusted, I'm sure.

[01:03:26] Yeah. That's the that's the rub, right? It took five years to get to where we're at. But it's a great story. It's a great story. Oh, I'm definitely sold. So House of X, Powers of X. And what are you most looking forward to?

[01:03:42] What do you think is going to happen in season two of X-Men 97? I'm happy to say I don't know. OK, OK. I heard, you know, the onslaught stuff. Obviously, that's, you know, I'm also wondering about about a certain character

[01:03:57] holding a certain other characters playing card and uttering the word death. Right. You know, apocalypse being teased. There's so many ways that they can go. I'm just I am just biding my time. I don't want to guess I don't want to. OK, you know, and then guess wrong.

[01:04:19] You know what I mean? Right. So I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and just have them do what they're going to do. Right. But like you said, it's been teased onslaught apocalypse. Mother Ascani. Right. You know?

[01:04:38] Yeah. So many teases just in like the last five minutes of that last episode. Yes. Yeah. So, you know, I just I have hope. That's good. But I'm changed. Anyway. All right. Well, let's go from looking forward to looking back in order to look forward again.

[01:04:59] We're going to take a quick break. And then when we come back, we're going to have our Fox funeral. All right. Let's talk Deadpool and Wolverine. Our Fox funeral begins. So Deadpool and Wolverine picks up after the last two Deadpools, of course.

[01:05:33] But it's expected to not only touch on X-Men movies, but potentially all 18 Fox Marvel films. And it also seems to be set in mostly in the Loki void with the TVA playing a big role. So if you haven't watched Loki, then obviously you should.

[01:05:49] It's one of the best things that Marvel's ever made. John, I think you agree. Yes. Yes, absolutely. My number one show from last year. Number two show, I should say. Number two. Last of us was number one. But what? Last of us. Oh, yeah, that's fair. Mm hmm.

[01:06:05] Yeah. Yeah. So just basically you should watch it regardless, just because it's a good show. But it will also, it seems, play a big role in what we see in this film. So that's a recommend catch up if you haven't regardless.

[01:06:22] Yeah, and as for the Fox films, we've watched them all for better or worse. So we'll tell you which are worth your time. I might be a little kinder than John. But there are so many crazy rumors about cameos

[01:06:37] and characters expected from these films, so we're going to run through what the rumors are. But keep in mind, a lot of these are far from confirmed. This is just fun speculation. Please do not let it set your expectations. But also we might be surprised.

[01:06:52] There's a good chance we'll be surprised by characters we don't even mention. So obviously we're going to break this all down after the movie comes out. Now, overall quality of this batch of 18 films. I'm going to call it a diamond in the rough situation.

[01:07:09] Although, like, I think to be fair that that's the case for most of the outsourced Marvel production stuff. And I'm catching Sony here with some side eye as well. Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's true. That's true.

[01:07:23] So how are we going to do this is we're going to start at the bottom of our rankings and we're going to name we're going to work our way up to our number one films and then pause

[01:07:34] the first time a movie's name just to like run through what you might need to know about it, what characters you might want to recognize in the new film. So, Jean, what is your lowest ranking film and why? New Mutants. OK. I thought it might be low.

[01:07:54] Mine's a little higher. So New Mutants is it's an X-Men adjacent film released in 2020. It was the last of the Fox Marvel films about some mutants who are kind of putting in an insane asylum together. Why is this your lowest rank? Because it stinks. I didn't mean it.

[01:08:20] It just stinks. It's a terror. It's a terrible portrayal of some great characters. This entire thing about whether it's a dream or not. And, you know, Danny Moonstar, like just just terrible. I don't like comic book movies that don't lean into the comic book.

[01:08:42] OK, OK. Yeah, I mean, the I liked the horror elements of it. Maisie Williams is in it. I like her. But to be honest, the reason why it's ranked more highly for me has to do with Anna Taylor Joy as magic.

[01:08:58] OK, that's that's the one character from that I would like to see back. There's no rumors of any characters from this film, but that's fair. And also yet again, Sunspot, who is not even who's basically just a white Brazilian man,

[01:09:17] you know, again from a character who is Afro Brazilian and recast as a white Brazilian man. But that was four years ago. They've solved racism since then. So that's true. That's right. What am I thinking? Yeah, there's a press release. I don't know if you saw it.

[01:09:39] I didn't see it. All right. Fair, fair. So what's your worst one? My worst one is Electra, the 2005 Jennifer Garner movie. Yeah. I just think that it just you know what? I've realized that I may be Electra isn't my favorite character

[01:09:59] because I also I actually do like that portrayal of Electra better than the version in The Daredevil TV show. Daredevil on Netflix, which is not in this Fox funeral. But yeah, I just I think in this case, it was just that the movie was,

[01:10:17] I don't know, really written that well. She was just it was just kind of generic. It was just like felt vapid and superficial. I don't know. I just didn't do it for me. OK. Maybe it's the character. Maybe it's the movie. It's probably both.

[01:10:28] Maybe both a little bit of both. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. And what is your next lowest? Fantastic four. Which one? So we have the fan for stick one from one is that from you know, the first the oh, the first one from the

[01:10:48] the one the fantastic for from 2005 or 2015. OK, five, five. Yeah, yeah. So not fan for it. OK. Oh, wow. That's lower than I expected. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So why is that one, though? Can I say it stinks?

[01:11:08] OK. I mean, I don't like I didn't like any of the characters. I didn't like Reed Richards. I didn't like Susan Storm. I didn't like Ben Graham. I didn't like Johnny Torch. I you know, I I failed to connect to any of those actors portraying the characters.

[01:11:26] I thought the doctor Doom was weak sauce. Just. Yeah, just didn't do it for me. The movie did not do it for me on any level. I didn't I didn't buy any of these guys, you know, as the characters that I read.

[01:11:44] I'm not a big fantastic, fantastic for a person. Right. You know, collecting those those books. But I've read them. I've watched the animated, you know, the series, all of them. And this was just a no go for me. I didn't I just couldn't.

[01:12:06] I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't connect with anyone on screen. That's I mean, that's fair. I for me, I wonder if it's the IP just because I mean, it's not that I do like wholesome in earnest, but I don't know what the fantastic for

[01:12:19] is never really connected with me that much. But I do know there is wishful thinking that Chris Evans will show back up as his as his role. He was Johnny Johnny. Yeah. So I'm not holding my breath for that. I would be fun for the fans.

[01:12:40] I'm not sad to see a different fantastic for come in that will hopefully grip me more. OK. Now, fair. So, yeah, my second to last is Dark Phoenix from 2019, which is. Yeah, it was the well, I guess it's a third attempt to tell this story

[01:13:01] if you count the original X-Men animated series. And definitely the worst in my book. I just it was just baffling decision after baffling decision for me, not just in terms of like, you know, the way they tell this story

[01:13:15] that's become rather well known, but just the character decisions they made, the plotting decisions that they made. It just I'm pulling my hair out and I find it an unpleasant experience to watch that one, which is a shame because I love what's her face? You know, Sansa.

[01:13:32] Um, I yeah, I love the character of Jean Grey. It should be an easy home run for me, but maybe that's also what makes me harder on it. No, that's fair. That's fair. I buy the criticism. That's fair. And you're next.

[01:13:51] You're rising to serve a surfer, rise of the silver surfer. OK, fair for so for similar reasons, I guess, from the original Fantastic Four. And I and I want to put a disclaimer out there.

[01:14:01] There's a movie I did not even put on the list because it was that bad. Oh, OK. Oh, right. Yeah. You can see it. You can see which one it is. Wait, which one is it? Fantastic Four. Yeah. Oh, yeah. OK. Yeah. So that's my next.

[01:14:16] My next lowest one is the fan. The one that people call Fan Four stick. It's technically called Fantastic Four from 2015. Yeah, I. I mean, I for that one, like when I look back on the Fantastic Four movies,

[01:14:31] I don't much remember I rewatched them all like a couple of years ago. But I still kind of forget the first one. I at least remember Fan Four stick, but not necessarily for the right reasons. You know what I mean? Right. Right.

[01:14:44] I remember it. That's why I didn't rank it. And even make it. I didn't even put it on my list. That's how terrible in my estimation that film is because it took everything like the Fantastic Four was supposed to be the first family of Marvel.

[01:15:03] It took everything that. The FF is supposed to be. Yeah, and really did a piss poor job of even trying to portray anything right of what that's supposed to. So, yeah. But Rise of the Silver Surfer makes the list and is low on the list because.

[01:15:26] I how do you make Galactus a cloud? I OK, so so my my number 15 is Fantastic Four to the 2005 and my number 14 is Rise of the Silver Surfer. So we can talk about all these together. Yeah.

[01:15:46] So I the reason Rise of the Silver Surfer is where it is above the other Fantastic Four movies is because I just remember watching when I was talking about like tinged with nostalgia. I just remember having a fun time at the movies, watching it.

[01:16:05] And then when I rewatched it, I was like, oh, boy, this is not. But then still compared to the other ones, I was like, at least it's more memorable to me. The only reason I have it ranked above the other ones is because Silver Surfer was in it.

[01:16:20] But they make Galactus a cloud, a cloud like, you know, like a storm cloud, like he's about to rain torrential downpours on the earth. That was we we ran out of budget. What are we going to do? This was just terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.

[01:16:41] Oh, yeah. So not a very it wasn't it. It wasn't even a very good film. Right. To me, number one, it wasn't a good film. But to compound it not being a good film again with the characters that I did not

[01:16:56] the actors who portrayed the characters of the FF, you know, were not for me. They were not suitable to the roles. But then on top of that. He Galactus is a cloud. Like I remember leaving the movie theater just like, wait a minute, did I a cloud?

[01:17:19] Like that's all I can say as I'm walking out. Like, wait a minute, wait a minute. He's a cloud. How in what world did anyone say this is acceptable? I mean, because I was back at that time.

[01:17:35] They weren't they didn't think they're like people who are watching this movie aren't reading the comics, so they didn't really care about sticking that close to it because they're just looking for something to mine for story ideas. Basically. Yeah. And you can tell. Mm hmm.

[01:17:53] You can tell they had no care for the comic or the property for the characters. Yeah. So the entire Fantastic Four up to this point has been an abject failure. Yeah. So on screen. So they it's only up from here. It's got to be better than anyone.

[01:18:08] Got to be. Got to be. So what's your number 14? Doc Phoenix. OK, fair. Doc Phoenix was terrible. Jean Grey, horrible. Everything around that movie was just to me just like. I. I really want I really went into it wanting to love it and.

[01:18:35] Much like the Fantastic Four, some of the the actors in the movie, I'm not a big fan of in the portrayals of the characters. Yeah. And unfortunately, Jean Grey is one of those that didn't hit for me. Yeah, I never bought her as as Jean.

[01:18:56] No, I thought it was a perfect casting, but then they just. I didn't buy her as Jean. OK, I just I just couldn't. OK, I tried to and I couldn't. I never got the sense that she was the embodiment of. You know. Fully Jean Grey

[01:19:14] being a badass, you know, mutant omega level power. The story around her Magneto and. Just yeah, wasn't for me. Yeah. And so what's your 13? 13 Apocalypse. Yeah. So the movie right before that in the same X-Men. Yeah. Same X-Men universe. My guy. He was not it as Apocalypse.

[01:19:50] Yeah, he was he was not Oscar Isaac. He was not it. I liked him. OK, as Apocalypse. So I did not. He was not it. He you know. No, he did not do it for me. He did not move me.

[01:20:04] He did not have the gravitas for me to play that character. And maybe in some sort of future. You'll get a proper Apocalypse, a proper and Sabaner. But Oscar Isaacs was not it for me. Yeah, OK. Fair. I didn't buy his portrayal. I hated the look. Just really.

[01:20:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have that one ranked slightly higher, but that's I mean, not like higher, higher. But I didn't hate it as much as other people, although apparently I don't remember a lot of it because I forgot Jubilee was in it.

[01:20:47] But basically my judgment of that film as my judgment of most most X-Men films comes down to the portrayal of Storm. And I loved that we saw Storm's childhood in Cairo. I always want more of Storm's backstory than we get. So I love that.

[01:21:05] But then by the end of the movie, they had her hiding behind some wall during the main fight like Storm would never like never. Why? Never. Why would you even do that? And that's that's part of my, you know, loving of X-Men 97

[01:21:22] where they do away with that bullshit with her character. You know what I mean? Like this is. She's been represented that way for so long. That is just doesn't make sense. Yeah, because she's not that right in the comics. Right. She's not cowering behind people.

[01:21:42] No, she would never. She's like the goddess. She's an omega level mutant. She's like everyone cowers from her. Yeah. OK, so my number 13 is the 2003 Daredevil with. OK, with Ben Affleck, which is just I like it.

[01:22:00] Like so now we're getting to the part of the list where I'm like, I, you know, I enjoy I would watch I would watch Daredevil again. I like how they show, especially how he sees through sound. You know, they did. Yes.

[01:22:14] And I liked how they showed, yeah, the setup, the accident in the beginning and stuff. I have to say that it is basically all but confirm. It's basically confirmed that Jennifer Gardner is going to show up in Deadpool Wolverine as Elektra.

[01:22:28] And so a lot of people are thinking slash hoping that means that Ben Affleck will show up as Daredevil as well. That would be cool. Yeah, I think I think I like the movie is so you'll see where it's ranked for me. But yeah, I get it.

[01:22:45] I get it. OK, and so what is your number 12? My number 12 is X-Men United. OK, so X2. Yeah, the X-Men movies were very womp womp for me. They I don't think we've ever seen it done well on the big screen personally. And it's just, you know.

[01:23:14] It was just meh. OK, which is something that I could never I should never say about an X-Men property. Hmm. Yeah, I have a lot of a lot of nostalgia love for especially the original X-Men movie.

[01:23:30] A lot of people seem to say like talk about the second one like it's better. But I don't I disagree. I like the first one best out of the three. OK. And then most people agree that third one kind of falls apart a little bit.

[01:23:40] But there are going to be a lot of people from these movies that show up in the Deadpool Wolverine. So we know for sure that Aaron Stanford's coming back as the mutant pyro. Kelly, who is coming back as Lady Deathstrike.

[01:24:00] Now, we don't know if Professor X is coming back or which version it would be, but it is interesting that his sister from the comics is in this film. We'll talk about her later. We don't know. It is interesting. People noticed that during the time of filming,

[01:24:17] Halle Berry, who played Storm in these original X-Men movies, dyed her hair white. So. Oh, OK. And then people are also hoping Cyclops and Magneto will be back as well. So we'll see. We'll see. What's your number 12?

[01:24:35] My number 12 is X-Men Origins Wolverine, which again, like I don't hate it. A lot of people hate on that movie. And it's not like a good movie. I'm not going to pretend that it's a good movie.

[01:24:47] But it's kind of like I can have a good time watching it, you know? Now I get it. First of all, it's our only live action Gambit that we've gotten. Yes, that's true. And I know you're a big Gambit fan. Yeah, I love Gambit.

[01:25:03] And there's also I don't know, like so it's supposed to be the worst portrayal of Deadpool, but because it's the Merc with the mouth and then they sealed up his mouth. Which made no sense, right? But I think we might get some people.

[01:25:18] So we know that we're going to get like this whole we'll talk about the Deadpool core. But one of the Deadpool core is Headpool. And people are theorizing maybe it's the head from that movie who's head. Oh, that would be interesting. Yeah, that would be interesting.

[01:25:34] That would be fun. Oh, yeah, I kind of like that one in like a kitschy way, you know? So I get it. But yeah. All right. What's your number? 11 days of future past. OK, OK. So that's all right. That makes it your second favorite of the new ones.

[01:25:58] Yeah. Yeah. The only reason is, is as high as it is because I've always wanted to see some sort of portrayal of that time period on the screen. Some of the choices that they made with Wolverine being the character that goes back in time and just.

[01:26:20] Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't a fan of it. OK, I wasn't a fan of. Yeah, there were some cool spots. I'm thinking of when the Sentinels finally break through. That was a cool spot. But overall, I just thought the movie was weak.

[01:26:42] OK. Oh, yeah, I have a rank tire, but I get it from the new X-Men timeline. People seem to be hoping that Nicholas Holtz will show up as Beast. I'm not sure why they think him specifically, but I wouldn't hate it.

[01:26:55] Yeah. I mean, I think like we just saw Kelsey Grammer's beast. So it feels like we would, if anyone, see him. Right. Right. Hey, any of these actors want to show up for a cameo fest? Then I am. I'm down. OK with it. Yeah. Mm hmm.

[01:27:11] What's your number? My number 11 is Deadpool two. And OK, that one. I mean, it's still a fun movie and, you know, they have some iconic characters in it and stuff, but it just didn't it didn't hold us together as well for me.

[01:27:27] I mean, it's still this is in the portion of the list where I'm like, I'll happily watch this movie. I'm going to rewatch it before the new one. But well, first of all, there's we got like the literal

[01:27:39] literal fridging incident, which, you know, they kind of, quote unquote, solve it later. But I don't know. It just felt a little more disjointed to me. But I loved the side characters that popped up. And I'm really sad that we're

[01:27:51] we're going to get most of the side characters from the Deadpool movies back. So, yeah, we're going to get Vanessa, the one who is fridged, but unfridged play by Marina Becker. And we're going to get even Shatterstar, who is

[01:28:07] barely seen, but some people might know from the animated series of X-Men played by Louis Tan. We're going to get just basically the whole X-Force team. We're going to get Rob Delaney's Peter. We're going to get also like the friends like Karen Sony as Dopinder,

[01:28:26] the taxi driver with the who also has a mouth, by the way, with Leslie Uggams as Blind Al, of Wilson, Wade Wilson's blind elderly roommate. We're going to get Brianna Hildebrand as Negasonic Teenage Warhead back. Even some, yeah, Shioly Kutsuno as Yukio, her girlfriend,

[01:28:48] who was like drastically changed from the comics, by the way. But anyway, so we have Steph, Stephan Kapitschik, I don't know how to say it, it's like Kapitschik as the voice of Colossus. Maybe it looks like we might get a juggernaut back.

[01:29:04] So maybe it'll be the version where Ryan Reynolds provided the voice like in this or maybe it'll be a different version we'll talk about. And Buck, if you remember, like the bearded bully guy at Sister Margaret School for Wayward Children played by Randall Reader. He's apparently coming back.

[01:29:21] So, yeah, we're getting I mean, it's a Deadpool sequel. Of course, we're getting a lot of Deadpool characters, but I'm sad we're not getting Domino back. Yeah, that she was one of the best parts of that movie. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

[01:29:35] Oh, well. And what is your number, Tim? Elektra. Elektra. OK, so you like that better than me. Yeah, definitely. I thought the fighting sequences in Elektra were really great. Yeah, I just the story itself was was black, but just strictly for the the fighting scenes.

[01:29:56] Yeah. Which is, you know, part of what I come to the comic book movies for. Right. I think that was really it was really well done. Really well executed. Some the combat in that movie. Yeah. OK. OK. Yeah. The ninjas. The ninjas. Can't go wrong.

[01:30:17] Yeah. Can't go wrong. No. Yeah, I guess I can see where from a combat perspective it's more satisfying than from a story perspective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So my number 10 is X-Men, The Last Stand, which is the third movie in the original X-Men trilogy from 2006.

[01:30:36] And it's just of the original trilogy. It's just it's just the weakest. So here it is. It's still I don't again, I don't dislike it as much as other people. It's another attempt and failure to realize the Phoenix Force plot. Yeah.

[01:30:54] But I don't know, it has its moments like when she kills psychos. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm not a psychopater. Really? You could have fooled me. But yeah, so we might get in addition to the other X-Men

[01:31:09] original cast characters that I mentioned, we might also get Vinnie Jones. He played the juggernaut in The Last Stand. And he it looks like it might be him in the background of the trailer. At least it looks like a juggernaut.

[01:31:23] But he was very there's a an interview recently. Yeah. But he like volunteered that information. He's like, by the way, I'm not in that movie. Just by the way, which could be a big, which could be a big, you know. Right. So, you know, I don't know.

[01:31:40] Maybe we should take him as face value. But I don't believe these actors lie about these things all the time. That's true. That's true. OK, and what's your number nine X-Men Origins, Wolverine? OK, I mean, again, it's just for the fighting scenes. It's a terrible movie for me.

[01:32:02] I am one of those persons that did not enjoy Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. Oh, wow. OK, tell me about the air because he's taller. Oh, not just that he's too tall. I just never I can never buy him as Wolverine.

[01:32:22] OK, I didn't enjoy his his Wolverine at all. OK, like. Yeah, just it didn't do it for me. He didn't do it for me. And I know a lot of people, he is Wolverine for a lot of folks. Right. And it was for me. I just never really

[01:32:43] connected with him as the character. OK. OK, fair. Yeah, my number nine is X-Men Apocalypse for the reasons. And basically it only gets as high as it is because it starts in Cairo with Storm. And then I forget about the rest of the movie.

[01:33:01] Good. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. What's your number eight X-Men? Mm hmm. The original, the original. OK. Just because it was X-Men. Yeah, I really, you know, and I don't want to keep saying this, but. I just. Didn't.

[01:33:28] I didn't the only person that I really. Connect with. Is Magneto. Mm hmm. In general, no. We could say in general to me, but that's another conversation. But yeah, I just and I want to be able to say that

[01:33:52] I'm watching characters that I that I know, that I like, that I love, that I've read, and I can really feel those characters come, come out on film. But I just never really did, except for Magneto. OK. OK.

[01:34:09] Yeah, I mean, for me, I'm not going to say these were my X-Men because this came after the animated series, but this was and so the the character most people had an issue with when this came out

[01:34:20] was the way they basically kind of merged Rogue and Jubilee by, you know, aging Rogue down and like putting her in the middle of the love triangle and stuff. And yeah, that didn't bother me as much as other people.

[01:34:36] I think also because I'm the same age as Anna Paquin, who played Rogue. And so it was like it was an easy self insert for me, you know? OK. OK. So I identified in that way. And by the way, before I think it was between.

[01:34:51] Yeah, it was before X-2 came out. I was in a movie theater in Union Square in New York. And and the X-2 trailer came on and a bunch of people started going crazy. And I saw Anna Paquin like sinking into her seat mortification. Oh, wow. Wow.

[01:35:09] That's amazing. Yeah, that's sad, but wow. No, I mean, it seemed like it was her friends teasing her, not like, oh, OK. Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah. But so from the original X-Men, which came out in 2000, by the way,

[01:35:24] in addition to the other people I said, Sabretooth, who's Logan's Wolverine's oft antagonist. And I guess he was his brother in this version. Do I remember that correctly? I believe so. Yeah. Played by Tyler Maine. We know that there's been leaked set photos of his on sets.

[01:35:43] And I won't tell you what happens, but that's all in set photos. We know exactly what his part of the story is if you want to find out. What's your number eight? So my number eight is the new mutants. So, wow, I got it.

[01:36:00] I told you like I can. I mean, yeah, I mean, look what I'm dealing with. But oh, but I told you it's purely based on I think about Anna Taylor Joy playing magic all the time. And I want to see her back as magic. Right.

[01:36:17] And I admit this is not a good reason to rate a movie high, but it's not like the most serious rating I've ever done in my life. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. All the all credit is due to Taylor. That's that's what it is. All right.

[01:36:34] It's magic, you know, which is a perfect perfect confluence of actress and character. Yeah. OK. OK. So anyone who doesn't know magic, how would you describe magic? I'm. Super cool. She's got a badass sword and a big sword. She's the ruler of limbo, which is a hell dimension.

[01:36:57] She can transport, teleport. Yeah. Teleportation disc. I mean, she's just a super cool character. And her brother's Colossus. I mean, sometimes what a dope family. Sometimes she shows up now in the modern Midnight Suns with you instead of an O in Sons.

[01:37:15] So I would like to see that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's she's just a really cool character. Well, you know, and I think she hasn't got her like many of the characters that we've spoken about. She hasn't got her richly and justly deserve dues on screen.

[01:37:32] So we could definitely do more for magic. What's your number seven? The Wolverine. OK. And so that's the one set in Japan. Yeah. 2013. I thought, you know, just the aesthetic of the film, you know, like did a little bit more for me. Yeah.

[01:37:56] So there were some flashbacks that I thought were really well done. So, yeah, basically, I just thought that that whole, you know. Japanese aesthetic for Wolverine, which is an important part of the character, was really was really done well, I thought, for that movie.

[01:38:21] So, yeah, that's why it ranks number seven on my list. And again, some of the fighting scenes in that film were really great as well. Yeah. Like the regeneration that he was doing, his healing factor, the way he kicked in, some of the effects were really cool.

[01:38:37] Yeah. OK. Yeah, my number seven is the first Deadpool from 2016, which I consider this as a respectable rating. It's I'm not necessarily as crazy about the Deadpool movies as other people, though I am super excited about the new one.

[01:38:53] But that's because it's going to be fan service bonanza. It's, you know, closing a door to open new ones. But yeah, I know I like it. It's a fun film. I'm definitely going to rewatch it before the new one. Yeah. What is your number six?

[01:39:11] Tom X-Men, The Last Stand. OK. So you like that better than X2? That's a kind of you actually is your favorite of the original trilogy. Yes. So what makes it your favorite of the original trilogy? Because it was the end. It's over. And I knew it. Yeah, OK.

[01:39:43] And I think I say that with all sincerity. OK, OK. So, yeah, it ranks pretty high for me. Like Jean Grey's not coming back from this. She killed her boyfriend. No, no, she gone. She gone. She gone. They all gone. They're all gone. They all gone.

[01:40:07] They gone. They gone from. Yeah, honestly, I was happy to see this end. I was just, yeah, between, you know, Jean Grey, Markston, Jackman. I was so done with this crew. Doing it for you. Yeah, I was done with this crew at that point. Yeah.

[01:40:34] There was there was nothing for me personally, there was nothing that they could have done to bring me back. Right. For X4. Right. Well, I think that was the problem with the general audiences. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know. I was just really happy

[01:40:55] that this chapter was kind of closing. Mm hmm. Like I saw the ending of this chapter. Um, yeah. So that's why I rank so highly for me. Um, yeah. So for my number six is X-Men 2, 2003.

[01:41:13] And yeah, it's just, you know, I have the nostalgia for the original trilogy. But I have to say, this is the movie where they started to mess up with Storm. Like in the first one, they at least like had her kind of look like Storm

[01:41:25] and they like made her attempt to be an African queen or like, you know, sell herself as such to some degree. I mean, by this she's being styled like a suburban mom. And like, I just don't get it. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:41:43] Talking about characters that need that just do is right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Come on. Get the storm casting right this time. Yeah. What's your number five? Deadpool. OK. Um, it was it was it was cool. It was fun. Not my favorite character,

[01:42:02] not my favorite story arc, but the action was great. You know, you put it on and you just, you know, you watch it and there's explosions, there's cursing. Yeah, it is what it is. And in comparison to the other films, at least it gives it gives that. Yeah.

[01:42:22] Right. It gives that. So, yeah. Right. So I see that you wrote above Deadpool after the top four, you said this is really difficult. I just don't like these films. So top four, you're like, OK. And after that, you're like, nah. I mean, it's just I'm sorry.

[01:42:45] I just can't. I can't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're not they're not the best. The Marvels ever marveled like people who were playing about new Marvel films like, oh, they have no idea. Please watch. They haven't suffered. They haven't suffered like I've suffered, like you've suffered.

[01:43:02] You know, I've been suffering from since 2000. I mean, I liked the first X-Men, and this is also, you know, yeah, because it was a product of its time. And the first X-Men trilogy, like really moved forward. You know, superhero storytelling in movies,

[01:43:23] it showed that this in addition, of course, to to Spider-Man and, you know, Batman and stuff. But this showed that they can tell this weird story about misfits and have it make money. OK, yeah, that's that's true, because the IPs are the IPs.

[01:43:40] You know, they're going to make money. You know, that's the thing that there was also something with. There's always something with an X-Men story that does still exist maybe to a lesser degree in these original films. But the X-Men story is about people feeling

[01:43:57] disconnected from society, about feeling, you know, like outsiders. And I didn't get that. No, I'm saying this this film doesn't do it as well. But the fact that X-Men stories are always that on a fundamental level,

[01:44:10] I think is going to it's they're always going to have an audience and a passionate one at that. But can I ask you a question without Magneto's presence in any of these films, any of the films, the X-Films, do you get that feeling?

[01:44:22] I mean, Magneto was not like it for me in these films, to be honest. I mean, he's important and he's a big character. And I see why. No, I get it. You know what I'm saying? Without his presence in the films, do you get that sense?

[01:44:37] Oh, like the outsider? Yeah. I mean, that's why I say that these films did not. And I think this is just the nature of, you know, it's the early 2000s, which is basically the late 90s when it comes to filmmaking.

[01:44:50] And they were just not taking as many risks in the storytelling. They were kind of, you know, playing a little safe, a little vanilla. I think that's a problem with a lot of these films and especially a lot of films in general from the early 2000s.

[01:45:06] I mean, I think the only one that did anything to give you that sort of outsider feeling that the comics was based on, like it was Angel. But that's because he had visible wings. So Angel was easily my favorite in the last film.

[01:45:27] And that's one of the reasons why I ranked the last film higher than a lot of people do. I just I don't think for me personally, I didn't get the allegory with racism in the United States. Right. These films that the comic books so heavily.

[01:45:42] Yeah. They leaned away from it because they were just playing it safer. Right. So without the inclusion of. You know, Magneto history of being a Holocaust survivor. Right. I didn't get any of that gravitas from these films.

[01:46:00] Well, it is funny because that was like the one outsider status or it's not even really outsider status, but that was like the one thing they're like, we can we can talk about this. We all agree.

[01:46:08] How bad? But we're not going to talk about the obvious racial allegory. Or yeah. I always think. Yeah, I always think of it as like there's also a lot of LGBT allegory. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. And none of that gets spoken of, you know, and that's the thing.

[01:46:24] So, yeah, I I rank the original X-Men for nostalgia and trailblazing leanness. That's a word. OK. Well, but we'll get to my ranking of that. My number five was actually The Wolverine 2013. So that's the one him in Japan. I actually I quite enjoy that one.

[01:46:43] I will happily rewatch that. I think there's a lot of I think that they make good use of the setting. I think there's a lot of fun character moments in that. The story is tight, decent. You know, I think that's a really solid movie.

[01:46:59] OK. All right. That's good. That's a good one. Not to not too far apart in our estimation of the Wolverine. And what's your number four? Deadpool two. OK. Cable. Yeah. Domino. Right. I love Domino. I'm so bummed she's not coming back.

[01:47:18] Yeah, yeah. It makes me it breaks my heart. But those those are the reasons why it's so, so I thought they were great characters. The portrayals were really good. Enjoyed both of those characters. I can watch, you know, both actors as those characters anytime. Right. Anytime.

[01:47:40] My number four is Days of Future Past 2014. So I thought, yeah, I thought that it was they did some really interesting things with the structure. I wasn't so bothered as you by like Wolverine being at the center of it, because I know that that's been their bankable

[01:47:57] their bankable character in that iteration. Yeah, no, it it works for me. I thought that it was quite solid. Yeah. Although when I think about it, I might actually swap it with the Wolverine, because I do think I like the Wolverine better than that. Better. OK. Yeah.

[01:48:15] And what's your number three? First class. Mm hmm. That's also my number three. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just thought it was, you know. Yeah, it was X-Men. It was reboot. You know, just wanting to see where they go with it. What's my guy's name?

[01:48:36] Play Magneto. What's his name? Why can't I? Why can't I remember his name? Michael Fassbender. Yeah, I thought he was great. Yeah. So, yeah, I just really. I thought it was an enjoyable movie, a nice way to reintroduce characters, and I appreciated that it was done

[01:48:57] in the time period that it was done. Mm hmm. But again, disappointed that it, you know, we didn't get to the real meat and potatoes of what the X-Men is about in that. Yeah. So shine away from the obviousness

[01:49:19] of what the comic book started as an allegory towards even with, you know, people always say, you know, you have a Malcolm X and MLK Jr. Right. Being represented by Magneto and Professor X. Yeah. Yeah. We lean into that stuff more. Right.

[01:49:41] Yeah, I thought it was like a solid reboot, you know, good introduction to the new characters. They yeah, they got me interested in the world. Yeah. And I liked what that was when wasn't that the one with Emma Frost? My correct and thing in that.

[01:49:58] I know one minor character from that, Azazel, is going to show up. We've spotted that character in the trailers for Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh, OK. I didn't I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that. I think my only one of my biggest complaints was that Darwin died.

[01:50:18] And. And I wish that he did it because I like his character a lot. Yeah. Well, in the multiverse, any possible. Anything's possible. Yeah. What's your number two? Daredevil. OK. I thought it was at the time it was released, I thought it was great.

[01:50:39] The fighting, the action in that is really awesome. And it's, you know, yes, he has superpowers, but the the action felt grounded. And Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin is forever my kingpin. Um. Even with, you know, my guy was I'm blanking on his name

[01:51:05] in the Daredevil Netflix series. What's his name? Oh, is Kingpin. Oh, yeah. Shoot. I see his face. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. He's great. Vincent, Vincent D'Onofrio. D'Onofrio. Yes. D'Onofrio is awesome. He is awesome. But, you know, Michael Clark Duncan really.

[01:51:25] Yeah, I really enjoyed his portrayal of Kingpin in that movie. I always remember that the final fight between the two of them really got got me pumped. So I think that the action sequences and for a 2003 film was really, really it was really good. It was really good.

[01:51:46] So I enjoyed Daredevil. That's a movie like you've been saying for a couple of them that you could watch if it comes on and you have nothing else to do. For me, that's that's Daredevil as well. OK. All right. And that leaves. Oh, wait.

[01:52:02] And my second number two. Yeah. My second one was X-Men. The original one just like I already litigated that. The iconicity. And that's basically what it's about. The memories. And that leaves the same number one for us both, which is Logan. 2017.

[01:52:21] I mean, one of the best comic book superhero movies ever made. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm wondering if we might get Daphne Keene, who played the X-23 and other people might know her from The Current Acolyte, where she plays Jackie Long or might know her from His Dark Materials.

[01:52:41] It would be fun if she showed up in Deadpool Wolverine. Yeah. Um, like I said, Q Jackman was not my Wolverine. But I thought this movie was really well done. Yeah. It was a great, great film. Right. Characters, story, just action.

[01:53:03] It was just you know, it was a really, really well done film. Let me ask is Patrick Stewart your Professor X? No. No. No. OK. OK. I mean, I think he's an iconic Professor X and he is.

[01:53:17] And the two of them together in this movie, you know, is like this kind of yeah, it was a surprisingly arthouse comic book film. No, definitely. Definitely. Their relationship in that movie was really special. It was really good to see their dynamic.

[01:53:34] And I say Patrick Stewart is not my Professor X only because there hasn't been another Professor X yet. Did I hate his portrayal as Professor X? No. Am I done with him as Professor X? Yes. Ready for someone else. Yeah. Like Wanda killed you.

[01:53:55] Yeah. In Multiverse of Madness. Yeah. Yeah. I'm ready to move on from him as being the professor. So I'll avoid him as Picard. OK, fair. So I will avoid specifically spoiling the end of this movie

[01:54:12] since it seems to be the one we most recommend that other people watch just for those who haven't watched. But I will say that that they've talked a lot about with the making of Deadpool and Wolverine and the fact that Wolverine is coming back for this,

[01:54:25] that they will not be touching the end of this movie, that the end of this movie remains the way it is. But of course, this is a multiverse. Right. Right. I mean, it's it's a great movie. And, you know, just you

[01:54:40] anybody who hasn't seen it, this is a must watch for me. Mm hmm. Like it's a must watch. Would you recommend any of the others to people who haven't seen them? No, none of them. No. Are you going to rewatch any of them before the Deadpool?

[01:54:57] No, no, no. No. All right. I would recommend Logan, of course. I mean, I would recommend. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I was going to say I recommend the Wolverine actually is the other one that I'll recommend the most. And I just I recommend the better X-Men movies

[01:55:15] just because they are iconic and pop culturally important. But actually, yeah, I'm going to rewatch. I think I'm going to rewatch the Wolverine, Logan and the two Deadpool movies. That's going to be my rewatch strategy. Yeah, I think the Deadpool movies obviously you have to watch.

[01:55:31] Yeah, you definitely should watch those movies, not just to get a sense of what's happening for the third movie, but because they're they're enjoyable for for different reasons. You know, they're not the best movies made. But you most people, I think, who've watched them

[01:55:50] have enjoyed them for a variety of reasons. So I would say, yes, definitely you should rewatch or watch for the first time the prior two Deadpool movies. Logan is a movie that everyone should watch. Yeah, just because it's whether you're a fan of comic book movies,

[01:56:06] you're a fan of superheroes and stuff like that or you're not. It doesn't matter. Yeah, that's a movie for people who enjoy film. Right. Like watch that movie. That those are my recommendations. Yeah. Everything else that we've just talked about,

[01:56:22] whether I see them again or not, I highly doubt that I'll see them again. There are some films that if there's a, you know, I'm up one night having one of my insomnia bouts and it's on, maybe I'll watch it.

[01:56:36] Yeah, but I'm not going to search them out. Right. You know what? I think I'm also going to watch X-Men Origins Wolverine just if anyone wants just kind of like a fun movie to quote unquote hate watch. It's but I also think it's going to end up

[01:56:53] because that was the last time Deadpool and Wolverine were together in a movie. And because it is Deadpool being the kind of humor that it is and this movie was so excoriated by fans, I think they're going to reference it a lot in the new film

[01:57:08] and make fun of it, basically. Oh, that's that's probably you're probably you might be right on that. Definitely. You might be right on that. So do you think at the end of this new movie, Deadpool will move into the main MCU, or do you think it might end

[01:57:23] on a different timeline in a different universe? Um. I think Deadpool will move into the main MCU. OK. I really do. Now, I think it's a character that they probably want in the main MCU because of Ryan Reynolds popularity. And he's still young enough to pull it off

[01:57:50] to various, you know, varying degrees. And so I think, yes, Deadpool will move into the MCU proper. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're going to have at least we know that, like I said, there's going to be the TVA stuff, the void from Loki.

[01:58:08] You should definitely watch Loki if you haven't to figure out who Alioth is, which is the good kind of cloud monster, unlike fake Galactus. Unlike Galactus. Alioth is supposed to be an angry cloud. Um. A cloud we could get behind. Not like the other one.

[01:58:30] Because of where they left things, I also wonder if the character Renslayer from Loki will show up as well. Oh, that's that's a good. There's been rumors about Mobius, Owen Wilson's character. So, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anybody from the Loki series

[01:58:47] showed up. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if Loki showed up. That would be maybe a different Loki. Maybe President Loki. Not President Loki, I mean, I mean, the Loki. Yeah, but he's busy. He's got his hands full.

[01:59:02] He does have his hands full, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get a get a cameo from Loki with his hands full. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. OK. Not that he shows up like, hey, what are you guys doing? But yeah, like. Somehow he's in the movie.

[01:59:19] So one one cameo we know that we're getting is Rob Mechelhenny's going to play a TV agent. And anyone who doesn't know who that is, he is. So he and Ryan Reynolds have that team in Wales together that they have the Wrexham TV show about.

[01:59:35] Yeah. And and he's also best known for It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and for I Love Mythic Quest. Mythic Quest is my preferred of those two shows. I've never watched Mythic Quest. I know I've heard a lot of people have said that. It's so funny.

[01:59:49] I mean, I also I worked a lot of games companies and it's like, oh, OK. It's like it's the way Silicon Valley is so funny because it's painfully true, you know? Right, right, right. And it's got the greatest characters. I love Mythic Quest.

[02:00:04] And I'll put it on my on my list to watch. We also yeah, we I think the void is just going to be like Easter egg central. Like we've already seen from the trailers, crashed, crashed Q ships from Thanos. We've seen it seems like we'll talk about

[02:00:21] we'll talk about Cassandra in a minute, but it seems like the bad guys have a headquarters in a giant corpse of Ant-Man. Yeah. I'm living inside him. I think this movie is going to be crazy and crazy in a good way. Right. I'm looking forward to it.

[02:00:38] I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, they're also apparently like Thor is going to show up in a repurposed dark world clip. And we saw in the trailers somebody's using sling ring portal. So could that be Dr. Strange? One could have been somebody else.

[02:00:54] Or when they made Netta Wizard and Spider-Man. That's right. That's right. You're right. Yeah, there's also yeah, there's there's more like cameos we haven't even mentioned that have been shown in the trailer, for instance, like there's this character from the Tom Jane

[02:01:14] Punisher film from 2004, which isn't even a this is not a Fox film. So it wasn't on our list. But it seems like there might be random cameos from other Marvel stuff that's going to collect scattershot, I guess. They're just like goodbye to all the old non Marvel Marvel.

[02:01:32] I welcome it. I welcome it. People are wondering, you know, Wesley Snipes is Blade. That would be fun. We're also getting the Deadpool core, as I alluded to. So, yes, we've got Headpool. We've got Babypool, Kidpool, which who's going to play

[02:01:50] who's being played by Walker Scoville and Kidpool carry something that's kind of like lightsabers, but they weren't allowed to call it that. But now that it's Disney, I wonder they might be able to. Yeah, they might just like flat out make jokes about Star Wars. Yeah, yeah.

[02:02:05] We've got Dogpool, whose actor is Peggy. I'll have you know, you can see pictures of Dogpool online. And it looks like we're going to have a Lady Deadpool and the rumor or people are assuming or maybe just blindly hoping

[02:02:21] that Lady Deadpool is going to be played by Ryan Reynolds wife, Blake Lively. That'd be fun. Yeah, I'm all for it. The more mayhem that they throw at us. Yeah, I think will be well worth it. And it seems we're getting at least one Wolverine variant,

[02:02:37] but I'm hoping that means more. So we've got like this patch Wolverine variant. We see the back of him sitting at a gambling table at a poker table, and it could be played by I'm thinking Daniel Radcliffe because I hope it's Daniel Radcliffe.

[02:02:55] But some people are saying Tom Hardy, but I'm hoping to see both of them. But I hope it's Daniel Radcliffe. Yeah, I agree. And there's rumors that because Channing Tatum was supposed to play Gambit at one point and there's rumors now that I don't know,

[02:03:07] maybe we'll get a Gambit cameo. There is a strongest insistence in the press right now that Taylor Swift is not playing Dazzler or anyone else. But I don't know. Lies have been spoken before on this matter. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm not.

[02:03:22] Just because they say it's not happening doesn't mean it's not happening. Yeah. Looking at you, Andrew Garfield in spite of. I'm looking forward to did you watch Succession? I have not watched Succession. OK, but you yeah, you're probably aware of the characters.

[02:03:40] So Matthew McFadyen, who played who played Tom's Wamsgams, who is my favorite character on Succession. He's using his own accent to play a new TVA agent or new to us TV agent called Paradox.

[02:03:56] And I can't tell from the trailers if this is going to be a friend or a foe, but I'm reading maybe something sinister. Hopefully. Hopefully. And we know that one of the biggest villains is going to be Cassandra Nova, played by Emma Corrin,

[02:04:14] who is the one who played the younger Princess Diana in The Crown. Yes. So how would you describe Cassandra Nova? She's a big character in the comics. This is her first time on screen. Yeah, it is.

[02:04:26] So she's, you know, in the comics, she's like a twin of Professor X. That. Yeah. So she's the twin of Professor X. Much more powerful mutant, much more powerful psychic. She's a psychopath. So it'll be interesting to see how they play her.

[02:04:51] And she's she has some interesting developments. We'll talk about more when the movie comes out or when we review it. But yeah, just know that in the comic books, she's the family of Professor X. Right. And she's apparently called a Mumudrai. So, yeah, she's a person.

[02:05:13] There were twins in the room. And yeah, it's rather disgusting. And he like tried to kill her in the womb. But yeah, yeah. And she in the astral plane. Yeah. She took form and took a physical body and came out looking for vengeance. Now I'm excited about this.

[02:05:33] I'm very curious. And we also had pyramids visible in the void. Do you think we might have a Kang variant incoming? Or do you think they might have if we did, they might have scrapped it, to be honest? Just I think they might have scrapped it.

[02:05:47] Or I mean, there were those there were those Coleman Domingo rumors. A while ago. Maybe, maybe. I'd be cool with it. I'd be happy with that because I like Coleman Domingo. I think he's a great actor. So I think that would be great. But we'll see.

[02:06:03] But personally, I think scrap. Yeah. OK. Do you have any more hopes or expectations for the new Deadpool movie? No, no. I'm I'm going into these movies, you know, with just open mindedness. I'm a blank slate. All right.

[02:06:22] Going into the summer of 24 and beyond, I am a blank slate. I just want to see what they have and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. Yeah. And open my head. So that's where I'm going to be. So again, watch Logan if you've never watched it.

[02:06:39] And for the upcoming Deadpool three, watch the two Deadpool movies. Yeah. Yeah. And I would throw in watch, watch the other Wolverine movies to one for a good movie and one for so bad, it's good again. Movie back around on that. Yeah, we can wrap it up.

[02:07:02] I'll allow it. We all allow it. All right. Well, we'll definitely be back, as I said, to talk about this after it comes out. But in the meantime, going on on the network, we are in the middle of never gets old. So, yeah, we're covering their hot

[02:07:27] hot day. I can't every time I look at hot day, I have to say it like that. House of the Dragon season two has just begun. And so there's full coverage on the main feed. There's also subscribers are getting little mini episodes

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[02:08:09] of the season, and also the acolytes will be coming out. Well, tonight, as we're recording now, the next episode of that. And so you'll find the acolytes it's on the main feed. And you'll also find it on my brand new feed, the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast.

[02:08:27] On the main feed, there will also be a new Simarillion stories coming out rings and rituals next week. They'll be covering the eighth episode of season one of Rings of Power in their recap to help you prep again for the new season of Rings of Power,

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[02:09:18] Anyway, whatever movie they're covering, it's going to be funny. And on will shift dust. I am interviewing Beacon 23 co-showrunner Glen Matzara, who you might also know as a showrunner of the first three seasons of The Walking Dead, amongst other things.

[02:09:35] And you can also watch out for the second shift breakdown of the shift book in the silo series and the will shift dust book club. So. If you want to lie. Yeah, it's all good stuff and it's all good stuff.

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