David and Nichole discuss their reactions to the season finale, grappling with the episode's theological weight and the revealed nature of the plurbs. The conversation centers on the devastating cold open and they explore how Zosia's manipulation of Carol through mimicking Helen exposed the plurbs' ultimate goal: not communion but assimilation without consent. The episode crystallizes the show's deep engagement with questions of individuality versus collective, examining how the plurbs function as both Thanos-like philosophical antagonists and virus-like assimilation threats, while Carol emerges from her temptation in the wilderness ready to face reality with a nuclear failsafe.
Note on Coverage
This is our quick vibe check reaction episode recorded after the holidays. We'll return with John for a full analytical season wrap-up where we'll dive deeper into Episode 9 and discuss the season as a whole.
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00:06 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Pluribus Podcast.
00:17 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a dated of the lorehounds, and this is our episode 9 Vyptrick.
00:23 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole, are you doing?
00:25 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You just survived the holidays?
00:27 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I did survive the holidays.
00:29 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to hop on with you and do this quick vibe check for episode nine.
00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still kind of processing it.
00:37 --> 00:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to watch it like 10 more times because it was just a visually beautiful episode.
00:42 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know our fans are eagerly awaiting our point of view on this episode.
00:49 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because we dropped like, we only dropped like eight hours of content on them for our top 10.
00:55 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The top three's are their friends and associates.
00:59 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they didn't have anything to listen to.
01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_02]: No, they need us.
01:02 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They need our voice.
01:03 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
01:05 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we tried to do this earlier, but holiday plans just kept getting in the way.
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We tried and we didn't.
01:13 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_02]: The end.
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a point to where I was.
01:16 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I, because I was traveling on the West Coast.
01:19 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And you and I were trying to do the time zone change and you had some other stuff.
01:22 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, I just can't, I just don't want to do this.
01:26 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: To try to like, be a thing.
01:29 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had that feeling to like I just need to be on vacation for a little bit so we can come back strong and I feel ready for that like it worked But I'm glad that you surrendered to Diversity yeah It was like oh, I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna have to like podcast in this weird space.
01:46 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Just weird space.
01:47 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you with family because he it's yeah, no way to be yeah Trying to fear trying I got a process is podcast and right to know it's a lot
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I love this time of year.
01:57 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the void, you know, between Christmas and New Year.
02:01 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's over now where we're on the other side of that void and you need to get back to real world.
02:06 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I actually had a client call today, so.
02:08 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:09 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Back to the segue, though, just like Carol, in this episode, she had to get back to reality.
02:14 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like give me a break.
02:16 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a check you out with the perfect segue.
02:20 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So the plan is we're going to do just kind of a very
02:24 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: structured conversation about episode nine and just kind of a vibe check and then our plan is to get together with John and do a season wrap and then we can talk about episode nine in a little bit more depth there but yeah so just to just to get some thoughts and ideas out about
02:51 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed this episode because it affirmed my theory and it proved myself right, that it's always nice to be self-rattle.
03:03 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's such a self-serving bias, but that Zoë was just kind of mimicking Helen a lot to try to get distract Carol and get Carol to fall in love with her.
03:20 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Helen was always the caretaker, always the one, it seemed like making the plans, getting things scheduled and Carol was just what we're calling like a little passenger princess and going where she was told and didn't mind and Helen was in charge in the leader.
03:39 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And then in this montage of hers ocean living their best romantic life on the beach and in the ski shallow in all these places, it really is like,
03:48 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_02]: as OSHA's channeling Helen in taking care of all the logistics and carols just there and getting served her little hot tauty and they're in their cute sweaters and they're on the beach and they're frolicking and they're by the pool and she's finally reading a writer finally reading a book on screen which we love.
04:07 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know that book?
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
04:10 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to say that that is a huge there's a huge signaling there in the book or so I'll go in the left-handed darkness and it's all about a I'm trying to find the words for it.
04:27 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of am a ambassador person to this other
04:31 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: species that change genders and have a very different life cycle than say humans do and just the the difficulty of like truly understanding an alien culture, where their norms are radically different than ours.
04:51 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's like that was a huge fact.
04:55 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even a veiled metaphor.
05:00 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks for sharing that.
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know.
05:02 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I love your deep dives because I just don't have the band with to do it So there was a lot of people pointing at the screen when they saw they were like what book is that?
05:10 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You know because we're trained right as Reddit detective type people to see anything on screen There was what was they watching was it was it the club's episode and there was like a poster Something in the background
05:25 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: but it was blurred out and they kept it blurred out because if it was in focus, we'd all go, what is that signal, you know, so, so yeah, they were very deliberate in showing us that cover.
05:35 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that and I think that we saw a lot of
05:41 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there were a lot of things that happened with Carol in this episode that like the audience was ahead of her on and it was nice to have her caught up.
05:50 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they don't need her.
05:52 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Some cells like they have them already like we were screaming that.
05:57 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as she said she froze her eggs in ice.
06:00 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Ice hotel like there's that's not.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_02]: accident, right?
06:06 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And there were so many nods to that throughout that I'm glad Carol finally got there but I rolled my eyes hard when she finally had that aha moment.
06:13 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, come on like you're this detective writer that like does all this deep dive research and you didn't think of that?
06:21 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so that was a little bit annoying for me, only because I, we knew it was going to happen, but I think that that was the thing that just finally, well, it was the thing that finally broke her to kind of snap back into reality when menu sources home, like,
06:35 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: really trying, you know, trying not to like use this other family's electricity or use their stuff and it's just so sweet.
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
06:44 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So though that's my like brain dump.
06:46 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure I'm missing stuff, but that's yeah so far.
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: How many times have you watched that episode?
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I've watched it twice.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
06:54 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_02]: How about you?
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, same twice, but it was earlier.
06:58 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was early on the holiday break cycle.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So I haven't watched it in a while.
07:04 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We were at West with family.
07:06 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We were at a holiday rental thing.
07:08 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I had some time then, and I watched the second time I wrote a blog post, of course, because that's what it is.
07:14 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we were kind of moving around and we had a lot of stuff going on for the latter half of the week and so I haven't really thought about it since then and I'll say that so I listed this is my number one show for the year ending out and or beating out a whole bunch of stuff.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: without having seen the finale.
07:48 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I had no doubt my faith was not at all in question as to whether they would stick the landing on the show and they did, and I'm very happy for it.
07:58 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel sufficiently satisfied.
08:05 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any open questions other than the questions that they intended to set us up until you leave us with, but not in a cliff hanger away, not in a cheap shot, cliff hanger away, but in a very character driven and story driven way.
08:23 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel very satisfied with the way that they brought everything to a rap.
08:33 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: of this episode with Kusamayu is probably one of the most beautiful things that I watched on television this year.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And we watched a lot of great television this year.
08:46 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of great stuff, including heated rivalries.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a topic for it.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I tell you?
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
08:54 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I just like, well, first of all, one of my students recommended that to me, which is weird, which is weird.
09:02 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But fine.
09:03 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I started watching it yesterday and I was like, oh my, and my kid was in the next room and I was like, and my husband walked in, he was like, what are you watching?
09:13 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I think I need this, I think this is like a private show.
09:16 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is like in a long time show.
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
09:20 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We watch horror business, but as a couple, we watch strangers, things as a family, but I think either I believe it's just going to be like a Nicole thing.
09:27 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So my wife and I kind of biddens through it on the latter half of our vacation, and there were a couple of nights where the other night we were finishing it up.
09:37 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_00]: and we were watching in bed on the iPad and our daughter was trying to get to sleep and we kept giggling, we kept laughing and our daughter's like, what are you guys laughing at?
09:46 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to go to sleep over here and we're like, oh, it's just this show.
09:50 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm only I only got probably 15 minutes into it and I was like oh no I hate to put pause on this and we need to when you finish it up let me know and what we can talk uh maybe I don't know what you're watching.
10:03 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you're watching.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be because when you get to happen sorry everyone for this sorry how just come with us
10:11 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: episode three is going to knock you on your heels.
10:15 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I mean, I called an all of the audible on the discord, and I'm going to be officially replacing my number 10 show for the year with heated referee.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_02]: What was it before?
10:26 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to double check it out.
10:28 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have to look at it.
10:30 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm into it.
10:33 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a weird recommendation for two and three.
10:36 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I never tell myself it's going to get bombed.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That's OK. That's a high recommendation.
10:41 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll check it out.
10:43 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it.
10:45 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to remember getting segue.
10:47 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's fine.
10:49 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing to remember is it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a root.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: it's a romance story.
10:56 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a love story.
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:59 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had a lot of anxiety watching it until I went ahead and I re-read.
11:04 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I pre-read all of this synopsies to calm my mind because I thought it was going to be like an ABC school after special where things were going to happen and it was going to be this moral and none of that it's actually...
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually...
11:16 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a love.
11:16 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so heartwarming and so wonderful, and there's a dimension to the story that you won't know yet until you Can't wait.
11:23 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: No, my husband's really into letter Kenny and The other one.
11:30 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
11:31 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna come for me.
11:32 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: The actors are The actors that it's like a Canadian hockey show like really like dead pan like kind of I know of what you speak of, but I don't know if I really repetitive you know about my husband's really into it and it's fine So I was like oh, I thought I'm watching this like
11:46 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Hockey show.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, is it like Leonard Kenny?
11:49 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know, maybe and he said to he's like, no, no, it does not seem like that at all.
11:55 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't wait to get into that more.
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
11:59 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really good.
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's cool.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So representation matters.
12:02 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, no, it's it's such a multi-layered story, too.
12:06 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really lovely.
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not what you think it is.
12:09 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, does it have soft core form?
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but
12:12 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: because that's what I'm thinking right now.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm glad there's depth of nuance.
12:17 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have read a lot of depth of nuance.
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, back to the point.
12:21 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, what else has a lot of depth of nuance is that cold open.
12:25 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I was thinking about like, you know, they're kind to animals, but that poor goat at the end, like he didn't want to be a lot out of his pen.
12:36 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to be penned up and had a lot of stuff.
12:41 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of mean to let him go into the mountain.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he won't survive.
12:48 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It is the death of this is how we know this is finally for all the people who've been screaming that the hive is evil, that the plurbs are not good people, that moment is the evidence because
13:04 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is going to open up a whole other range of conversation.
13:09 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the the cold open is was absolutely beautiful, but being able to step back now.
13:16 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: and look at the season as an overall, the theological underpinnings of this show are ridiculous.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: This show has so much theology woven through it.
13:27 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I can barely keep track and I'm no trained theologian, right?
13:31 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm only happy to be raised in a Presbyterian household and have people who are a little bit learned of these things in my life.
13:39 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: but everything from H, P, H, D, P being like an inversion of the Eucharist of, you know, eating the body,
13:49 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: to Kusumaya's joining as the Sacred Ritual, where there's communion, there's the breath, there's the, what do you call it, the the Thurbel, the smoke incense thing that you wave around at certain, what have you?
14:09 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's certain ceremonies, and then breathing in the Holy Spirit,
14:16 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing a whole bunch of research on this stuff, just reading and trying to understand it a little bit more.
14:23 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But the idea that within a Christian framework and the theology of being saved, when you partake of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit descends into you, you then maintain your individuality, but your individuality is perfected or brought up is risen up.
14:47 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: and then when you are in that relationship with God and the Holy Spirit and yourself, and with the Christ figure being the gateway for you to get to that position, you maintain your individuality, you maintain your individuality in heaven, and you maintain your individuality in hell, wherever you end up going, you are still an individual.
15:12 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The plurbs are not individuals.
15:16 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: and their communion, and their joining, erases individuality, and there's a concept of caritas, which is for love of the most insignificant and unimportant thing.
15:32 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So when she walks away from that goat, that goat needs her care, and she leaves it.
15:41 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: which means that that tells us that I'm still working out a lot of this in my heads.
15:46 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have all the the words and thoughts clear about it, but that's what tells us that their priorities are the erasure of individuality even at the expensive suffering.
16:03 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: and that this hive mind is not actually to us doesn't maintain that morality that we can sort of sort of support it.
16:15 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually intethetical to a lot of our ideals and beliefs.
16:22 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: People have been screaming this all over the place.
16:24 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
16:25 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, finally, that scene
16:33 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: just perfectly encapsulated all that was going on.
16:37 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was the walking away from the goat that really clarifies what's happening here.
16:46 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting because I'm not bothered by the plurbs.
16:51 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: In that way, I'm enchanted and I find I found that whole
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: so moving, so interesting.
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So it like moved me at every level.
17:06 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of my mind, my body, my mind, and my heart were all moved by this visual storytelling that was completed.
17:16 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, wow, I didn't even know what I felt at the end of that scene.
17:22 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just as such in a raptured state.
17:25 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm interested when we talk about,
17:29 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_02]: the morals, right?
17:31 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And morals are so individual.
17:33 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm realizing, though, I've been really interested lately in the difference between morals and ethics.
17:40 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at how ethics is a code that we all agree to follow.
17:44 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Like in the American Psychological Association has an APA code of ethics, you know, do no harm, informed consent, all these things that we're supposed to follow as clinicians.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And we do.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the plurbs, they have a strong ethical code.
17:59 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is the rules that we follow.
18:02 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to kill things and, you know, et cetera, but they don't have a strong moral code because morality is such an individual thing.
18:11 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That's rooted in individual community, individual religion and individual experiences to help guide our moral code and our own individual moral compass.
18:21 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm wondering where the moral compass lies
18:26 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And who is the one that, where's the, let me say it this way?
18:31 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, who has the default moral compass?
18:35 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Because morals are different based on religion, based on personal experiences, social economic status, all these things shape our morals.
18:43 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So who's morals are they defaulting to when we're all connected?
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Does that make sense?
18:50 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It does, and I think that's where I've been doing some further thinking about how the plurbs are not only a sort of thenosian snap the finger and balance the universe type of villain, but they're also a virus, a simulation last of us, quarter-saps villain.
19:18 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no reasoning with them, you can delay and they can appease you, they can entertain you, but they're never going to stop trying to assimilate you.
19:34 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's virus-like, right?
19:36 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's this Thanos-like quality about them where they think, because they
19:44 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: memories of values and morals and ethics, and they have memories of individuals and intellectual knowledge as well as an emotional life that's embedded, but no longer informs them.
20:01 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They're only driven by their need to, quote unquote, pay back, right?
20:07 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Or to pay forward, the kindness that was given to them.
20:12 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why the vapor of Christmau is joining is so interesting because that's not only there's a huge liturgically resonant part of that, being sort of the incense and breathing in and all this stuff.
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But the breath in is involuntary.
20:33 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The joining there is involuntary.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there is no consent.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: There is only sublimation to the whole.
20:40 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no communion with this is completely power over.
20:45 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The plurbs have power over everyone and everything.
20:49 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They assimilate, they dominate, and you lose your individuality.
20:53 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why people have been screaming.
20:55 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: On the disco, right?
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, yo, this is wrong.
20:58 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're all like, oh, we didn't that be cool until I have access to all this stuff.
21:03 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe that was all a trick, man.
21:05 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe that was all a trick because that scene, they're doing all this ritualistic, the ceremonial stuff.
21:12 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But as soon as she is joined, it all stops.
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was only for her.
21:17 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Boom.
21:17 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It was only for her, like maybe because she is rooted in religion and that assured her compliance, if it was this religious act.
21:25 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That same ritualistic,
21:27 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: performative experience won't work on Carol.
21:31 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: She's not going to buy into that.
21:32 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So then it becomes like, what does this person need to be indoctrinated, which is like kind of a cult thing, right?
21:39 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like how can I make you feel so special and important that it has to be you that joins us?
21:45 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It's only just you're the one that we need, right?
21:49 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're more of being in this situation,
21:57 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, blah, blah, blah.
22:00 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
22:00 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
22:00 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That guy's an asshole.
22:01 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you love me, you, so she'll love me, Carol.
22:05 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, no, because there is no individuality within the collective.
22:10 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The, it's a, it is merely an act, just like you said.
22:15 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And Carol's like pretending, like she's,
22:17 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: she went along for a while.
22:18 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_02]: She just has her blinders on.
22:21 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's just thinking that like this beautiful woman's in love with her, but it's a trick.
22:25 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a distraction and a trick to buy them time, to manufacture stem cells to a...
22:32 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think vapor of some sort, I don't know.
22:35 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And she doesn't even need a ritual or ceremony.
22:38 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They can just gas or lock her in her house and gas or sorry if that's so, that's right.
22:44 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry if that's fine, sorry for the words, but like they don't need a ceremony.
22:50 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_02]: They can just do it.
22:51 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_02]: They can overpower her and do it.
22:53 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's gross.
22:54 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What was so beautiful about that scene, so beautifully terrible about the cold open,
23:01 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: was the way that it was filmed, the moment that she finishes her, you know, her chemistry, her body's chemistry, completes the takeover, they just, it just, and so visually telling
23:24 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: and then leaving us with the goat.
23:28 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the thing about the keratost, the thing about the love for the smallest, love for the most insignificant, the love for,
23:41 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: things that you don't think matter in the big picture, that's in an inner Christian theological sense.
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's love for God.
23:50 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That is you being in relationship with God because God is in everything.
23:55 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you're being with God by taking care of the goat.
24:00 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: by, you know, putting birds heat out or whatever, like, you know, this idea or charity, giving a charity without expecting any reward, tax right off or good feelings or whatever.
24:12 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just because you're taking care of God's creation and you're in harmony with that structure.
24:20 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And by ignoring the goat, you're ignoring God.
24:28 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: in a theological, in a Christian theological context.
24:30 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a, you know what, man, it's a real bummer.
24:34 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It really is because, you know, you think of like that go just just to metaphor for so many other things and I'm an animal lover and I know that it's like a soft spot for me.
24:45 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that this isn't the main thesis of therapists is like what about the goats?
24:50 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But like what about all the goats?
24:51 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about dogs.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about characters.
24:53 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about love for creation.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: These are the dogs for things.
24:56 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: For a poor dog.
24:58 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:59 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's low for things because they exist and for no purpose for yourself, but to love creation, for the sake of creation.
25:08 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:09 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's part of the beauty of our life, right, as being mortal human.
25:17 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_02]: is to like have individuality and care for all those exactly now whether you lay a religion onto that is like a personal choice, but at least you have choice to do that or not, right?
25:28 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And we can abstract in this conversation and that's why I keep saying Christian theology is to say right, that is a framework of belief and understanding and a way to interrogate and question
25:40 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_00]: how do human beings work?
25:41 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we how do all these you know receptors and chemicals and you know brain physiologies?
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: How does it translate into the world?
25:50 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And part of the science of the world were all these different philosophies.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Taoism, Christianity, Buddhism, whatever.
25:57 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We can abstract without diminishing the
26:01 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, how beliefs of those, those are adherence, right?
26:05 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say, you know, only because you brought up brain chemistry and I'm into it.
26:09 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously.
26:09 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a, there was a, there was a, it was in this.
26:12 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was in this.
26:13 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So she says, like, you know, what makes us happy and she, like,
26:16 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, sometimes in shows they just do like a hand wave over certain things, but like the chemical she said that makes us happy are are actually the ones and that was really nice to hear like well and there it's not like a lot of research doesn't take a lot of research to figure out what the four main ones are.
26:35 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I, of course, I thought of you.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that was amazing.
26:39 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, never talks about based oppression, and it's probably the funniest one.
26:42 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the best one.
26:43 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Like oxytocin gets a lot of play that's like the cuddle drug that makes one like love our kids.
26:49 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But based oppressions, like carols get more based oppressions than any of it.
26:54 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So based oppressions, the...
26:56 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: neurotransmitter that when you love someone you're like when you love someone and you see them like flirting with someone else across the bar and you want to go and like punch that other person in the face.
27:06 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That feeling.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a lot of that feeling person anymore.
27:10 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I had it.
27:10 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No, whenever you're a person, yeah, for sure.
27:12 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But like people do, there are those people that are like jealous and passionate and they'll throw punches for their best friend or their kids or whatever.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a vasopressant response.
27:22 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
27:23 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_02]: that like, you know, I never felt rage until I saw another kid like make fun of my kid on the playground.
27:30 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, I'll kill that kid.
27:32 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I just like not.
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I won't listen.
27:35 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I just believe me.
27:36 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I won't.
27:36 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just that like mama bear feeling.
27:38 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Carol has that quite a bit.
27:41 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was just kind of
27:45 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: appropriate names for neurotransmitters and television.
27:48 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's appropriate for the show because of what the show is doing in Carol's own journey as a human being struggling with happiness versus depression because she's had a lot of
28:05 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: a hard experiences in her life, and she found her person, and then her person was unceremoniously taken away from her, and then died as a result of it.
28:21 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of pain there, and so she's this great foil for us to explore what does make us happy.
28:31 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: She wanted like, can you give me something
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: and being harmful.
28:36 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So what you're talking about in terms of depression is called the diathesis stress model that a lot of folks, depression has a genetic predisposition like it's a biological disorder in your brain that doesn't allow serotonin to get where it needs to go.
28:53 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Long story short, but it doesn't affect everyone like you could have these markers for
29:03 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But the day at this is stress model says that like if things in your life get so stressful or like circumstances happen it can kind of like activate that depression so it's like the so I think that that's what's happening with Carol and anyone right that like we can all have like maybe your parents were depressed and
29:21 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_02]: you have that in you and then you're fine until middle age and then something happens that kind of spirals you and that's like pretty common.
29:28 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it happened to me after my had my kid and that's like really common because it's the staff, the stress model supports that phenomenon and human development I guess.
29:41 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about depression is it's like not for everybody easily treatable but
29:47 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_02]: it's treatable and we just need to like get help for it if we need it.
29:51 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It affects so many people.
29:53 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had a situation, yeah, a relationship in job wasn't going well, living in a different country.
30:00 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And sort of not seeing the way out and these two things sort of hit at the same time.
30:07 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And it took me a while to get out of it, but it involved a lot of movement.
30:13 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I needed just to move my feet, move my body, move my life to the point where I could start to see and breathe again, but I literally, yeah, the feeling of wanting to go out and interact with other human beings was,
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:28 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's such a curse because it is like, for some, it is just that movement other people need a more supports to bear in degrees, right?
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:37 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And the supports there for them.
30:38 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But I needed support.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't.
30:41 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do it on.
30:42 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you to like break out of it or to overcome it.
30:46 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: even that feels insurmountable, even to get out of bed feels insurmountable.
30:51 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the best way I was taught to understand depression is if someone or what worked for me, because I'd love a visual metaphor, is that if someone replaced all your blood with gray sludge running through your body, that's what depression feels like.
31:04 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I always understood it conceptually, but then when I felt it myself, I was like, oh, right.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what it is.
31:13 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad I did have those experiences because now, as a professor and a teacher of psychology, I get a lot of students that are living with depression and you can see it in them.
31:26 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You can like, because I know what it looks like because I felt it and I'm happy to have that experience.
31:32 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can see it in Carol too.
31:33 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: that kind of muted sludge feeling.
31:37 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a really crass way to put it.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mean to be insensitive.
31:41 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But we need words, yeah, we try to put words around complex and nuanced feelings.
31:47 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we do really, it's just your brain serotonin.
31:50 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You just need some help getting that serotonin into the receptor.
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it could be a lot of different things.
31:56 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the exercise, socializing, whatever.
31:59 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:00 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or a medicine that helps that serotonin get where it needs to go, which is a really accessible medicine where we live right now.
32:07 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So, or an atomic weapon.
32:10 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just love you that wouldn't do something, right?
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was like a bold fail safe.
32:18 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the only one that would work, right?
32:21 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you come near me, I'll just boom.
32:24 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Blow you up.
32:26 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That was your head cannon interpretation of what the bomb is.
32:31 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's her experience.
32:34 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at a primary level.
32:35 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's more nuance to it, but yeah.
32:37 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's her insurance policy.
32:40 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
32:43 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, also, I love for me, it's very easy for me to flip to like intense talk to something very like caddy.
32:53 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna do that now.
32:56 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Carol's outfits in this episode were like, we always saw her in like a beat up button down shirt, like she's rugged, this episode wardrobe was crushing it.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_02]: They had like themed outfits for every little scene she was in.
33:08 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when she skit on the helicopter,
33:13 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that seems like an unsafe way to do it, but I don't know, maybe it's fine, but I don't know, right in and let us know.
33:22 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to make sure that the maintenance on that helicopter is a good job.
33:25 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to crash with that.
33:26 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And even like setting it down, I feel like, Do you care, Lena?
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you listen to the official pod?
33:32 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't yet, but she really flying the helicopter.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't really, she was flying second seat.
33:36 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So there was a real pilot who does fire rescue staff and sling the world at the time.
33:42 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But she was there in a live helicopter that was not on a crane actually hands on those sticks.
33:49 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, mimicking the motions.
33:52 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But that was not a crane.
33:54 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't half a helicopter on a crane.
33:57 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a helicopter.
33:58 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, either way, Carol gets one of this helicopter in like black leather pants and like a plumber jacket.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, what happened?
34:06 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, take me home, but also I'm gonna need an outfit change.
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna need a reset.
34:11 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I land, I look like a badass.
34:13 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that all the way you through her,
34:19 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: her.
34:21 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the hero not heating the call right and being sort of enchanted.
34:25 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:26 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And if we go back with the 40 days and temptations, there's a whole bunch of the logical stuff there.
34:32 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But not to be theological, just to flag that really quickly, but then just to jump back with Carol and Zoshia.
34:38 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The way that I kind of read that was that,
34:43 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we do with clothing?
34:44 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Clothing is a signalling and exterior signaling.
34:48 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also interior, right?
34:50 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also an interiority about how we think we look and how that makes us feel.
34:57 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's called the creation.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's the theory.
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Impression Management Theory.
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_02]: There's not like there's there's a theory.
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a theory for all of it.
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's actually one of my favorite ones.
35:06 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it, see more.
35:07 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So Impression Management Theory, they also call it the Looking Glass Self Theory.
35:13 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
35:14 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: In order to understand, you need to know what a looking glass is, which none of my students do, because I'm too old, but I bet you our listeners do, so I don't need to fill you in.
35:24 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But in order for you to be seen a certain way, you need people to look at you as that thing.
35:30 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So the example I give in class is, you know, what do I ask my students?
35:34 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you need to be a teacher?
35:35 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And they usually say like a degree or a skill set or passion or patience, all these things,
35:42 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I always come at them like, yeah, I can have all those things and I'm still not a teacher.
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_02]: What I need is you.
35:47 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_02]: If I don't have you, I'm just a lady in a room with a white board marker talking passionately about the subject in order for me to feel like a teacher and be just going to bypass all of the dad podcasting jokes and not being in a basement with a microphone.
36:02 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have an audience or you a barguster anyway.
36:05 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But like in order for me to
36:11 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I need other people to affirm it.
36:14 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And we do that a lot.
36:16 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We signal a lot with the clothes that we wear and the costumes we put on.
36:20 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Like in order to be a teacher, I dress in a certain costume.
36:25 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I, if I go to a concert, I'm dressing in a costume to be a fan of that band.
36:31 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we kind of dog whistle to each other with the outfits we wear.
36:36 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And Carol was doing that too.
36:40 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: In many cases for me, it didn't seem genuine.
36:43 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like over the top, especially the ski outfits it seemed like over the top for me.
36:48 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was meant to, because I, as a viewer, was supposed to really buy in that this is a morage.
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't real life.
36:57 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a trick, and it is,
37:01 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_02]: like a script almost that she's like actor playing the role of someone in love on a ski trip with her lover.
37:08 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:09 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
37:10 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when we see that glass shattering in these episodes in this episode.
37:16 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I wonder then to use the crude statement of fake it till you make it
37:30 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: yeah for sure she is and in some ways by having this opportunity to sort of live this best life version of herself.
37:42 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of got to come home to herself and kind of remembered that she has power because she knows who she is.
37:51 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:52 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the costuming, we call it costuming, but the, you know, the, what, what she's wearing for us on screen, be it Carole's costume or, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Ray C, Ray C, Ray C horns costume, right, whatever.
38:10 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That.
38:13 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a signaling to herself, I am a badass.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I can live this life.
38:19 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I can enjoy finer things.
38:22 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The costume was the the secret crazy over the top sequence dress when she went out to dinner.
38:26 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
38:27 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That was the costume.
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_02]: That was her leg.
38:30 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_02]: masking how she really felt in this fake utility make it moment.
38:34 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing her at the end of this episode where she descends from this helicopter with the precarious nuclear weapon dangling from it as the spadass that's going to save the world.
38:44 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm sure of it.
38:46 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm sure of it.
38:48 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's come home to herself in that way.
38:50 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: She was lost in the wilderness.
38:51 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: She's come to temptation.
38:53 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: She was she lived the fantasy life.
38:56 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
38:58 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of okay because she's had a lot to deal with.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, she, I don't know.
39:04 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I can sympathize with that in, in a way, like, okay, she got to enjoy a minute of the life that she always self denied in a lot of ways.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Helen was like, get over yourself.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go have some fun.
39:19 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that it probably helped her understand Dbiadis response a little bit more because every time she, in this montage of her with social living her best life, that was Carol's version of her best life.
39:33 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Dbiadis version of his best life was reenacting James Bond movies and Las Vegas, you know, and it is indulgent and why not?
39:42 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what else are you doing, right?
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think what,
39:46 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: DBI didn't understand that and maybe he does now, I'm wondering where he's at, right, is that there is, this is a distraction, this is buying time and keeping them busy and distracting them.
40:01 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we do a lot of things that Diabate lacks me.
40:05 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody is forgetting.
40:08 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Only Manusos is not forgetting.
40:11 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_02]: and now Carol's been reaffirmed that oh right like this was a knife is she fell for it and they bet you that makes her very angry she fell for it
40:24 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And which is why she, you know, her attitude is she's walking away when menu says what's it what's in the box?
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just fucking in a moment.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you it would be pretty easy to fall for.
40:36 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that the house alone, that mountain house, I was like the architecture is on my mouth was watering.
40:44 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, can I, this is lovely, but there were so many.
40:48 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_02]: great moments, like cinematic moments in this episode.
40:52 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_02]: There was one transition that I thought of you.
40:54 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like the transition into, from something else into the, the ski lift, it was like a circle on top of a circle that like perfectly merged into each other.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to watch it again.
41:05 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but there was a lot of just beautiful imagery throughout this whole season for shower, um, but this episode too, between like the architecture and the, the location scouts were working their butt off on this show.
41:18 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I was again, like, in awe of what their budget must be.
41:23 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't.
41:24 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:25 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just wild.
41:27 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: it is what the thing to I was thinking more about was what if I was in a carol or a dibate musician or something like that and how I would I would be outtracking the world.
41:41 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be on all these sort of adventure trips and
41:44 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, cutting through, you know, horseback riding across the the Mongols steps or Yeah, you know, going to the the Arctic or the Antarctic and doing all this stuff.
41:56 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be out exploring the world in a wild way.
41:59 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: In a safe way, I'm not a I'm not an extreme of wild, not about extreme sports.
42:03 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think what I would do and all I can think of and maybe it's just my mood today, I just want to take care of all the dogs.
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's been left.
42:13 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just want to have like a dog saying, Shwery, I don't know, like good food and like wine and stuff.
42:19 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I tried the world that's not for me and all right, I'm fine.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to be at home with all the dogs.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like all literally all of them.
42:26 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And I get bands to perform for me from time to time.
42:29 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I get like, you know.
42:31 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And then that then raises that whole question of for how long and you could be survived without the friction of life, where there is no friction.
42:45 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything we want, we can have it within physical realm of our being.
42:51 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We can have all of this stuff.
42:54 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But for how long?
42:56 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the way that
42:59 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: set up the plot hook of, well, we're always going to be searching for a way to convert you, to subsumute, to add your distinctiveness to our own, is that was such a great trigger, because Carol thought she was cool.
43:19 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I can just go and live my life until the egg conversation
43:25 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: man that was a bucket of cold water in her face that these are not the, this is not the world that I thought it was.
43:36 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And it even started when so she said, no, I love Manusos the same as I love you.
43:40 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_02]: That was the trickle.
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:43 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, but, and then she realized like it isn't what it seems like you are not, she's playing you.
43:49 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not, and maybe,
43:52 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_02]: They, the plurbs do really care about Carol, but it's not intimate in the way that it is.
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The dual sense, yeah.
44:00 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And not in a sense of character task, which is for the individual matters and the individual in relationship to the others matters.
44:10 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
44:10 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_02]: She's not bringing you the hot tautie because she cares about you once you close it.
44:13 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_02]: She's bringing it to you so you stay on the side.
44:16 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're content for another hour while they're scientists do what they have to do.
44:22 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gross, you know, it's funny because I have no, I'm just so fascinated with the construct of this world that they've put together.
44:31 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just enchanted by the, I'm like, how did that get over there and how did they fit this together?
44:36 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they think about that?
44:38 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm lost in the intricacy.
44:39 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So the emotional terror of it.
44:42 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, people are like,
44:45 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Screaming, ah, they're plural, they're not good.
44:48 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, it's so fat.
44:50 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just so fascinated by the intricacies of this, this world.
44:53 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like the sociology of it.
44:55 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
44:56 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're all.
44:57 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I went a lot of other people.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I really focused on this individual psychology of it.
45:00 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like the cognitive psych of it all.
45:04 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and then now that I've discovered the theological components, I started sort of trying to sketch out in index.
45:11 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
45:12 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, I'm decoding, I don't know what they intentionally encoded, but my decoding it's right.
45:22 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: This thing is just show, um, geologically based.
45:26 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild.
45:27 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Manuso has picked up on it, too, because she said they left me for 40 days and he repeated back to her 40 days.
45:33 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, I was screaming, well, metaphorically screaming at the TV.
45:38 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't ever scream, really.
45:41 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted him to do it then, like, can you just decode it for us now?
45:47 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we know that something, like, can't, and you know what, too, when you're so, so can't you just say it to us, so we can all know it together?
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
45:57 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see what happens next.
45:59 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you said earlier in our, in our, in our conversation, that they left us with questions that were like purposeful questions?
46:10 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: for you like what's the how will the atom bomb be ultimately used right yes so the fail safe is a safe bet like we could say yeah if if you come at me to convert us I'll detonate it right that's that's a easy one but then how is it ultimately going to be used there's some
46:32 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: theories that are cooking around that relate to Manusos' research, which is the other questions.
46:39 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:39 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So, is that a carrier signal?
46:42 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, can that signal be interfered with?
46:45 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
46:45 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw when he was dysregulating them.
46:51 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: that the signal itself is dysregulated and then as Rick started to come back to himself, it normalized again.
46:59 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a signal there.
47:00 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So what so a big question is is how can Manusos
47:04 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: How can that be, you know, the research that Manusos is doing, how can that be used to possibly affect the plurbs?
47:12 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a bunch of research, like there's a bunch of reddit stuff out there.
47:18 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done some noodling around the edges myself.
47:21 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I have not ready to talk about it on the season wrap.
47:27 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_00]: season two speculation.
47:28 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and then there's all just all the questions of how the plurbs work.
47:33 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a question on the discord about what happens when a baby is born.
47:38 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: When does a baby join?
47:40 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's, woo, that's a really good question.
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big question right there.
47:44 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And then what does the baby know or do what do we know about the baby, you know?
47:49 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's like, that's just an illustrative example of that.
47:54 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a question about that, right?
47:56 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, so bear with me.
47:58 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They say that if you gay, they say that if you gave a case man an iPhone,
48:04 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The caveman's head would explode, not scientific, because it's just too much knowledge to understand.
48:11 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And we also know, when we think about developmental psychology, that you do have developmental windows for understanding.
48:18 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't, like a three-year-old can't understand things the same as an 18-year-old or a five-year-old or an 80-year-old.
48:24 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_02]: they just aren't developmentally available for that.
48:27 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a short coming.
48:28 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just where they are developmentally.
48:31 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:31 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:31 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The brain just so they did the whole Mozart and Beethoven or Mozart and Einstein, Baby Mozart and Baby Einstein stuff.
48:40 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the brain just cannot copy it.
48:43 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like an optic pruning needs to happen and where we need to have the neural plasticity helps us change
48:54 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_02]: If a baby was born all-knowing, that baby would be messed up.
48:59 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and this is the doing part of the doing story is what happens when that happens.
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I never go home to that.
49:07 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a whole thing there.
49:09 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If you read the boy, those who don't know.
49:12 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm probably not gonna.
49:14 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
49:14 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Good movies though.
49:15 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Just check the movies.
49:15 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I believe it.
49:17 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm thinking about that in this world.
49:24 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_02]: vulnerable brains from like omnipotent information.
49:30 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
49:30 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And what happens with a mind that has is informed as designed.
49:39 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it.
49:39 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to say it in a morally neutral way where there's actual defect and does that defect really really result in destructive behavior, self or or to others kind of stuff.
49:54 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a really interesting question too about this universe is what about development developmentally delayed individuals, what about people that are neurodivergent, where do they fit into the hive, do they all just assimilate and if so, I don't like that.
50:11 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that.
50:14 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So the, I mean, I think that's the other one.
50:15 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The other big question, just as just like, what more is there to explore in this world of the joint, it is a massive sea of questions and they will just get to play, but it's one of those things that man, it could be, it could go so wrong so quickly and I think
50:41 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: like they're breaking story now as we talk.
50:46 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they got a right, and then they have to shoot.
50:48 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're talking maybe a couple of years.
50:51 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They somebody caught Vince Gilligan on a red carpet, somewhere, or something.
50:57 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, well, how many more do you see?
50:59 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, I don't know, like we didn't know when we were doing Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, but I could see four, right?
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's greenlit for two.
51:09 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that surprise that they're writing it now.
51:11 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they knew it was gonna be two seasons.
51:14 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think they need a break too.
51:16 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, would you know what the arc is going to be?
51:18 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
51:18 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, would you already know the story?
51:20 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it's not just developed, right?
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:24 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Beyond my the ability for me to see beyond the veil there.
51:27 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're not.
51:29 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not an option there.
51:31 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: To bed.
51:33 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be better if you did, I think, right?
51:35 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_02]: You can join you.
51:36 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't get you the vapors and it can inhale this tube of vapor and that's a good end of the dunks and licks and donuts and that's good.
51:45 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, imagine.
51:47 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, so we're, we're a couple years out because if they finish writing in 26 and then they start shooting at the end of 26 and you know, maybe we'll get it in 27.
51:57 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just appointed.
51:59 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish that they just filmed it all at once.
52:02 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't I wonder I wonder I wonder I wonder two green lights.
52:08 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they knew that they were going to, which seems like it's more efficient.
52:12 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: My guess to this is a guess is that they can do all the audience testing and and previews to the studio heads, but those are closed bubbles.
52:27 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to however many millions of viewers and what the Reddit responses are and what the podcaster markets responses are and all the YouTube commentators and the Easter eggs and all that kind of stuff.
52:42 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe they're just sitting back a little bit and going, okay, we're getting some echoes and some feedback and some sensory input.
52:52 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: from audience response, and we can think about what worked and what didn't work.
52:57 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me read it boards based on just trashing the shit out of the show.
53:01 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's ridiculous.
53:04 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't do that.
53:04 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't have that kind of time, you know?
53:06 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine that like this is I'm working all day, and I'm gonna go home and trash a show on Reddit.
53:14 --> 53:14 [UNKNOWN]: No.
53:14 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's a lot to unpack.
53:16 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't have whatever that is.
53:17 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it in me.
53:18 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a, you know, I have to say if you don't.
53:21 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to yuck someone else's young.
53:23 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a lot of the day.
53:25 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are my hot takes on this episode.
53:28 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have much more to add.
53:30 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to go through the piles of listener feedback we have and to dig into them with you and John and our season recap.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that that's on the table.
53:41 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Nancy, we're working hard.
53:43 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I don't know, how do we authentically
53:51 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_00]: negative audience into responding like we did last time that one time we ran that little experiment we got a ton of stuff and that we're really weren't but then now how do we do it that it's it actually works and is authentic because if we just did it now don't send us read by no they know that we're trying to come exactly calm them I'll just ask like please continue to send us I know that I like the shows just ask over just ask we'll just just like do what
54:17 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just asking you, I'm not going to like try to indoctrinate you and try to long calm you into sending us some voicemails but it's really great to hear from you guys and hear your actual voices that reminds us that we are not a hive and we are a bunch of individuals so we're sticking with it around here so you can send us a voicemail or an email.
54:40 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I want to shout out.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, I was already going to.
54:43 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, but I was going to shout out something.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I shout out a shout out.
54:46 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to your never mind the music feedback.
54:49 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Mailbag episode.
54:50 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
54:51 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.
54:51 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And Andra B. Rodean about the flutist Flutist.
54:56 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
54:56 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was the list of credentials.
54:59 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, why?
55:01 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you?
55:01 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And we just dropped an episode today that we recorded before that feedback came in.
55:05 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, Flutist?
55:07 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
55:08 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
55:10 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could take it back, but well anyway, Andre B is one of if it's the same Andre B is a lore master subscribe.
55:17 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's awesome.
55:18 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't make that connection over it.
55:19 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard the game and I was like wait a minute.
55:22 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the same Andre B?
55:24 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Her feedback was awesome.
55:26 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
55:26 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We want all of it.
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We want more.
55:28 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: She should be a guest.
55:29 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_00]: She should be a guest on their own.
55:30 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I said that to Marcus and she worked for it.
55:32 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't amazing.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot.
55:35 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we just dropped a new episode as of recordings on Tuesday, January, something, and about a metallic, uh, right, and it was not a house.
55:46 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it gets dark for sure.
55:49 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Tread lately.
55:50 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, but to go back to the feedback thing and just to echo, you, this is our first conversation you and I, uh, we're not conversation for show that we have covered as a duo.
56:03 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have had a I think a lot of fun and there has been a lot of dialogue on the discord and we got some great voice males and emails and I just want to pick up the point that you put down is that we loved hearing from everybody.
56:22 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And for the season wrap, I would love it if we were flooded with feedback because then we can use that feedback as the structure for the show for sure we can actually structure the entire show based on your feedback.
56:36 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_00]: with your open questions, your statements about what it is that you thought worked and didn't work.
56:42 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were a theologian and you know about Caritas and thermables and whatever's in the whole these spirits and all that, you can write in and let me know, you know what your Christian theology is.
56:55 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to hear like wild theories of what you think is happening next, like completely over the top, like even like your dream scenario.
57:05 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, John, I'm looking at you, your dream scenario.
57:08 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_02]: If you were going to make Carol, your little avatar, what would you have for two next, um, I want to hear all that.
57:15 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's so interesting too, because it's such a, uh,
57:19 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's such first person energy, I'm just thinking about a particular game that my daughter is playing a lot in a particular platform.
57:26 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You all know what it is if you know, it's the big one starts with an R and it's such a first it's it is all of the plurbs are no one player characters, right?
57:38 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They're all just they're all you see is yeah.
57:41 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's all first person.
57:43 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only 13 player characters in this thing.
57:48 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty funny.
57:49 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole disciples thing.
57:51 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a whole other thing right there, right?
57:54 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a disciple.
57:54 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even think of that.
57:56 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
57:56 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like religious in that way.
57:59 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot that's going over my head.
58:01 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get in, trying to get a bug in Anthony's ear, but he's been on vacation, so.
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Anthony.
58:07 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:07 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely have a plan.
58:08 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I have an idea to talk to Marilyn about a bunch of stuff.
58:12 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see if I can, you know, it's just getting back from vacation.
58:17 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are they?
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They're dialing back.
58:18 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:19 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_00]: 20 podcasts that need to be done this month.
58:24 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, remember the good old days the last week when you're like at the ski shell a thinking how taught he's you know there is even somebody who is looking at on Reddit this past by me the other day her socks are these sort of lined colored socks that goes short from blue to red and somebody took that and pattern matched against the temperature graph of the earth as far as we can go back and record it and they match
58:51 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So as we're getting along, you know, we're heating up the earth and her socks and the global temperature.
58:58 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way that was still a bread like I'm all about like looking for clues and Easter eggs, but that sometimes the sock is just a sock, you know.
59:09 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's brilliant.
59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what this show is doing to people.
59:11 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, why don't theories like throw them at us?
59:14 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, throw them at us.
59:16 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, you know, I'm so sorry.
59:19 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I just
59:20 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_02]: your socket.
59:21 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_02]: There is.
59:23 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
59:23 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I won't make fun of them.
59:25 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's wild.
59:27 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
59:28 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Laura hounds at the Laura hounds.com.
59:30 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be in touch with John later this week and we'll figure out a recording schedule.
59:37 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the meantime, so you've got four or five days to get us a emails and voicemails for five days.
59:42 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, four or five days because it will probably be later half of next week.
59:46 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, Lorhounds at Lorhounds.com.
59:49 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Nancy is standing by.
59:50 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_00]: She had a lovely vacation.
59:51 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And she loved the episode as well.
59:52 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm sure we'll have some of her thoughts in it, uh, to boot.
59:57 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_00]: To our Discord server boosters, Aaron K. Tolew the thriller, do 71 Athena Agile up with Stu, Nancy M. Goesuppartition, radioactive Richard and Andreon.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for making our community discord space.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_00]: a fun and more cool environment to discuss.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have to quickly shout out because this lore master list may be slightly out of date by the time whatever it goes on on the own.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We did have a couple of secret Santa's slide down the chimney and leave some gifts for a few of our subscribers on the discord that don't have memberships and I'm trying to get everybody signed up and it's not all done so if you are on the list you're not on the list yet until you actually complete your membership.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna hear some new names on the
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01:00:46 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you appreciate the content and all the hard work that all of us put in, all of our guest hosts and everything like that, they all get on appearance fees for every time they're on podcasters and stuff.
01:00:56 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and if you have the space in your life to support us, we would really love it.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would invite you to check out either Patreon or Supercast.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a link in
01:01:04 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Samarshan, Michael G, Michelle E, SC, Peter OH, Nancy M, do 71, Brian 863, Frederick H, Sarah L, Garasi,
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01:01:46 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: AC Wilson, Eli W, Cassie K, and Chumbaruni, and forever last, but never least, Adrián.
01:01:56 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all so very much for supporting the podcast and supporting the community.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole, it's nice to see you after the holidays.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You as well.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've got a lot of, we're going to have a busy year.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
01:02:09 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: What else?
01:02:13 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else going on?
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Never mind the music.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Just more.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just grinding through.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Making podcasts, having guests, having a really fun time, talking with art and psychology, getting distracted pretty easily, but having fun doing it.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So come and check us out.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Chat with us on Discord.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Send us emails.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to our podcast.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Come and join the party.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I never mind the music.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We're having a blast.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we've got 97 Kingdoms coming up full coverage, John's leading the charge on that.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll definitely have some coverage on the pit, and I know Alicia had some other stuff in the pipe work, but I don't have the full notes in front of me, so as always, we're forever busy.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's it from us today.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:51 [UNKNOWN]: Bye!
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