Silo: S2-e1 – "The Engineer" went over the hill

[00:00:28] Welcome back to Wool-Shift-Dust, I'm making faces as this tune goes on.

[00:00:32] A Silo Season 2 has officially begun! Wooo!

[00:00:37] Hi, I'm Alicia and here celebrating with me for new listeners is Luke. Hi Luke, how are you doing?

[00:00:43] I'm very excited to get back into the world of the Silo.

[00:00:49] So yeah, I've been really looking forward to this. Let's dive into it.

[00:00:54] Well, I am for anyone who doesn't know us yet. I'm a writer slash podcaster with a background in psychology and Luke is an academic slash podcaster with a background in political history.

[00:01:03] So you can see why this show is catnip to us.

[00:01:07] Yup.

[00:01:08] And for those of you who are here for the first time and those of you who are coming back, welcome.

[00:01:13] We are very excited to have you with us this season as we think and theorycraft our way through season two of Silo and Apple TV Plus,

[00:01:20] measuring the characters we meet on the Juliet to Simsnard scale.

[00:01:25] And before I explain what that means to those who don't know, Luke, what's our spoiler policy to get that out of the way?

[00:01:32] Yeah. So Alicia has read the books on which the TV series Silo is based.

[00:01:37] I have not. So the policy on spoilers is to try and preserve my book innocence to the greatest degree possible.

[00:01:47] So I am the fount of all ignorance when it comes to the book.

[00:01:51] Representing the non readers listening.

[00:01:53] Yeah, exactly. I'm representing for the non readers.

[00:01:56] Um, and we will obviously be looking back at events in season one.

[00:02:02] Um, so if you haven't watched season one of Silo, go away and do that now.

[00:02:08] And episode one of season two.

[00:02:10] And episode one of season two.

[00:02:12] Yeah.

[00:02:13] And, um, we're also going to, since we've already talked about it, we have, uh, two preview episodes for this season that you can check out.

[00:02:21] One talking about what was revealed at the comic con panel and another breaking down the first teaser that dropped.

[00:02:29] So if you haven't listened to those yet, then, um, yeah, that's a great place to start.

[00:02:34] And we will be re revealing some things that were discussed during that, that just make it easier to talk about this.

[00:02:42] For instance, the name of a particular character, and also the fact that there are two silos.

[00:02:48] You can tell that from this episode.

[00:02:50] Um, the silo that Juliet comes from is silo 18, which we know from the fact that that was on the hard drive last season.

[00:02:58] The fact that that was on that key fob that Bernard is carrying around.

[00:03:01] And, um, what was revealed at comic con and is true in the books, of course, also is that the silo next door that we see her break into this episode is silo 17.

[00:03:12] So we're going to be referring to them as silos 18 and 17, as we're breaking this down, just because that makes it a lot easier for us to talk about and a lot easier for you to follow.

[00:03:24] I'm also allowed to talk about anything from the books that has already played out on screen.

[00:03:29] So we'll get into similarities and differences with the books, but only if it doesn't spoil any of the story twists to come.

[00:03:36] I will keep my mouth shut about anything that happens in the books that hasn't yet happened in the show.

[00:03:42] If you're interested in that sort of discussion, you can find breakdowns of all the books and short stories, plus two book spoiler packed season one rewatch episodes.

[00:03:51] Plus as season two goes on weekly extra spoiler casts in the book club.

[00:03:57] And I'll talk about that a bit more at the end of this episode.

[00:04:00] Now, Luke, I mentioned the Juliet to Sims Nards scale.

[00:04:03] What does that mean for newbies or to remind people?

[00:04:07] So basically, that's our scale from goodest goodie to baddest baddie.

[00:04:14] Basically, Juliet Nichols, the character played by Rebecca Ferguson, is at the goodest goodie end of the scale.

[00:04:21] And Bernard and Sims, Common and Tim Robbins are on the bad guy end of that scale.

[00:04:29] And all the other characters are somewhere in between.

[00:04:33] And our villain couple name for Sims and Bernard is Sims Nard.

[00:04:38] Sims Nard, yeah.

[00:04:38] Because we just can't decide which one of them is the baddest baddie.

[00:04:42] So they both are. We came up with a poor man.

[00:04:45] Yeah, we'll see. We'll see where things land with them.

[00:04:48] And so just another little note, something that's changed this season is we are actually recording this ahead of time,

[00:04:55] before the episodes have aired for everyone else since we have screeners this season.

[00:04:59] And this means that we can get these episodes out in a more timely fashion as the season goes on.

[00:05:04] But that does mean that we cannot include feedback in the same episode as our breakdown like we did last season.

[00:05:11] So this season, we're going to do separate episodes for community feedback.

[00:05:15] And the more you send in, the sooner we'll do our first mailbag episode.

[00:05:18] You can send that feedback to woolshiftdustpodcast at gmail.com.

[00:05:22] And you'll find that link in the show notes.

[00:05:25] I'm going to say, I love the fact we've got screeners.

[00:05:27] I feel like such a big deal. It's so professional. It's just unbelievable.

[00:05:33] I'm really loving the screeners.

[00:05:35] Well, just the fact that this show is airing through Christmas is, it makes it so much easier.

[00:05:41] It does. It makes it a lot easier.

[00:05:45] And yeah, just to put any minds at ease, just because we have screeners does not mean we are watching ahead.

[00:05:49] We've only seen the episode we're recording at the time we're recording it. Right, Luke?

[00:05:53] Yes. Scouts on her and everything.

[00:05:57] So you can trust all speculation that we make is genuine.

[00:06:02] Yeah, we're not going to fake presciency. We're not faking omniscience.

[00:06:09] Right. Yes. I'm keeping my mouth shut about book spoilers.

[00:06:12] But as we always say, that still leaves a lot of room for speculation because they make a lot of changes.

[00:06:18] But yeah, in general, we have not seen past what we're talking about.

[00:06:23] Okay. I think that's enough preamble.

[00:06:28] Shall we get into the breakdown itself?

[00:06:30] Yeah, let's do it.

[00:06:31] Your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three, two, one.

[00:06:38] We're here today to talk about season one, episode one titled The Engineer.

[00:06:43] And this first aired on Friday, was first released on Apple TV Plus on Friday, November 15th, 2024.

[00:06:50] The writer of this episode is Graham Yost, the showrunner himself.

[00:06:55] And he named this episode after his son, apparently, who is an engineer, but also obviously after Juliet engineering bunch of shit all episode.

[00:07:03] But yeah, I'm going to think of this episode as Juliet MacGyver's her way around Silo 17.

[00:07:10] Yeah.

[00:07:10] There is an awful lot of A-Team-esque MacGyver-esque inventing of stuff.

[00:07:18] It's very Juliet.

[00:07:20] Yeah, it's very Juliet.

[00:07:21] The only person who MacGyver's harder than Juliet is Martha Walker.

[00:07:25] Yeah.

[00:07:28] The director of this episode, by the way, is Michael Dinner, who a very experienced director who's known for things like Justified Sneaky Pete, a lot of thriller and crime stuff, it seems like.

[00:07:39] So, Luke, what were your overall thoughts on episode one?

[00:07:45] I really liked it.

[00:07:47] I thought Rebecca Ferguson gives a really good performance.

[00:07:51] And we've said that a lot through season one of Silo, but it really does bear repeating because she has very few lines of dialogue in this episode.

[00:08:03] So, the entire, well, 75% of the episode is carried by her physical performance and building things and thinking about things.

[00:08:14] And Rebecca Ferguson has this really expressive face.

[00:08:18] So, when you see Juliet trying to work stuff out, you can kind of follow from Rebecca Ferguson's face what she's thinking and what she's going to do next.

[00:08:33] We'll get to it when we get to it, but the ending ends on a real, it ends on a real sort of cliffhanger. What's going to happen next?

[00:08:42] Yes. First there's literal cliffhanging and then there's figurative cliffhanging.

[00:08:47] Yeah, there's a lot of hanging both literal and figurative in this episode.

[00:08:52] Do you feel like this episode gave you answers to questions you had going in?

[00:08:56] Not really, but I wasn't expecting it to.

[00:09:01] And actually, I'll sort of flag them up as we get to them.

[00:09:04] But several more big questions occurred to me as a result of this episode.

[00:09:09] And I think I have more evidence for my tinfoil hat theory that all the silos are connected to one another.

[00:09:17] Okay. Okay.

[00:09:19] All right.

[00:09:19] What is that evidence?

[00:09:20] Well, where's the electricity for silo 17 coming from?

[00:09:26] Mm hmm.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:28] Um, did this episode leave you eager to watch the next one?

[00:09:33] Yes.

[00:09:34] We already know that the next one will be from silo 18.

[00:09:39] Julia's home silo.

[00:09:40] That was, that was in the comic con announcement.

[00:09:42] So I want to know what's going on with Sims Nard.

[00:09:45] I want to know what's going on with Walker.

[00:09:47] I want to know what's going on with daddy, Dr. Nichols.

[00:09:50] Lucas.

[00:09:51] What about Lucas?

[00:09:53] Allegedly sent to the mines.

[00:09:56] We better also find out what happened to Patrick and Danny.

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:10:01] Yeah.

[00:10:01] We'll get what I'm sure we'll get to Lucas eventually.

[00:10:04] They'll get there.

[00:10:05] They'll get there.

[00:10:06] Oh, are you glad I didn't say George?

[00:10:08] No, I'm just kidding.

[00:10:09] I'm a Lucas girl.

[00:10:12] Um, okay.

[00:10:13] Well, so let's talk through this episode.

[00:10:15] Uh, we will be talking through one arc at a time, which may be slightly out of order versus how it aired on TV.

[00:10:23] And the title sequence remains largely the same as a first season, or at least the version we have with our screeners.

[00:10:29] So please refer to our season one coverage for discussion of the themes and clues hidden in that.

[00:10:35] All right.

[00:10:36] We begin with the end, the end of silo 17.

[00:10:39] A boy whose name we learn is Timmy played by Finn Gwagon runs through a dark silo holding a torch worry on his face.

[00:10:47] He rounds a corner to where a large group of adults are gathered waiting and is initially turned away because he is carrying light.

[00:10:53] But the kid Timmy talks his way in to deliver a note from engineering to his father, who is wearing a sheriff's badge.

[00:11:00] The note says generator will flood in 15 minutes.

[00:11:04] Timmy's parents played by Ross McCall and I think Kosha Engler is maybe the other one.

[00:11:09] I, uh, can't check IMDB because we're ahead of time, but based on the credits, I think that's who it might be.

[00:11:15] But anyway, his parents, they seem to be the leaders of this group and they say they don't have a choice.

[00:11:21] So they ring five bells, their code for attack.

[00:11:25] Another group of adults will call them group B.

[00:11:27] Some of whom seem to be wearing judicial riot gear stand on the other side of a gap where part of the central staircase has been blown up.

[00:11:36] Group B is armed with shields and guns trying to prevent the sheriff's group from getting past them and further up the stairs.

[00:11:42] But the sheriff's army is prepared with metal bridges to cross the gaps and makeshift shields and weapons of their own, albeit those mere pipes and scraps.

[00:11:52] However, their sheer determination, their certainty that they are correct, wins the fight anyway.

[00:11:58] Timmy's dad is distraught to have accidentally thrown one of group B's men off the stairs and thus to his death.

[00:12:04] But from his and his wife's perspective, group B is following the wrong instructions by blocking them.

[00:12:09] Team sheriff thinks that group B believes the wrong truth.

[00:12:13] And so they hotwire the door to the silo open and Timmy's dad grabs a green flag and leads them all, including Timmy, outside.

[00:12:24] So, Luke, when the episode started, were you confused that there was a bunch of strange faces?

[00:12:28] Yeah, it's like I kind of knew what they were doing.

[00:12:31] It's like, let's start a new season and let's throw everybody off kilter a little bit.

[00:12:37] But I did like that when the kid was running with the message, you see him run past a poster with like, thank the founders written across it.

[00:12:48] And then somebody had spray painted like truth now on it.

[00:12:52] So you could see that this conflict has been going on, has been brewing for some considerable time.

[00:13:00] And it's sort of silo 17 was very nearly where silo 18 was getting to.

[00:13:09] Yeah.

[00:13:10] At the end of the end of season one.

[00:13:12] So it kind of made me think of the, the old line from Battlestar Galactica.

[00:13:17] You know, all of this has happened before and what happened again.

[00:13:19] Well, wait, you mean silo 18.

[00:13:21] Juliet's old silo is very nearly where we saw silo 17 at this opening.

[00:13:25] Silo 17 is like, you know, a premonition of what's about to happen.

[00:13:30] Oh, in silo 18.

[00:13:32] In silo 17.

[00:13:33] 18 is where Juliet came from.

[00:13:35] 17 is, is the new one.

[00:13:37] Yeah, I will, I will get, I will get this right.

[00:13:40] I will get this right.

[00:13:41] This is by like episode eight.

[00:13:44] I will have this down pat.

[00:13:46] Um, so yeah, it just made me think of the, you know, that are interesting.

[00:13:50] There are interesting parallels here.

[00:13:52] Um, also I couldn't figure out where I'd seen Ross McCall.

[00:13:56] Um, before he seems to be one of those actors that he knows everything, but he's not, he's

[00:14:03] never been a main character in anything.

[00:14:05] Hmm.

[00:14:06] Yeah.

[00:14:06] Yeah.

[00:14:07] I feel like he's been like somebody's dad on TV shows.

[00:14:09] I watch or something, but yeah, I definitely know his face.

[00:14:12] Yeah.

[00:14:13] Yeah.

[00:14:14] So we, they got this, they had this note at the beginning, Timmy handed it to his dad

[00:14:19] that said the generator will flood.

[00:14:21] What do you, the power already seems to be out in their silo.

[00:14:23] What do you think that means?

[00:14:24] The generator will flood like with water or with.

[00:14:27] Yeah.

[00:14:28] No, I assume that like there'd been some damage from the conflict.

[00:14:32] That means that the groundwater is flooding the bottom of the silo.

[00:14:36] So it's flooding mechanical because basically the sheriff makes the point that they have

[00:14:43] no choice, but to go outside.

[00:14:45] The silo is about to become unlivable.

[00:14:49] So one way or another, they have to leave the silo almost regardless of what's going on

[00:14:56] outside.

[00:14:56] Cause they're going to die.

[00:14:57] They're going to die.

[00:14:58] If they stay in the silo, they might survive if they go outside.

[00:15:03] Mm hmm.

[00:15:04] But indeed, as you brought up, if the generator is flooded, where is the power coming from?

[00:15:11] Yeah.

[00:15:13] I'm telling you they're all connected.

[00:15:16] Do you have any thoughts on how these two groups got to this point where they're fighting

[00:15:22] one to get out and one to keep them in?

[00:15:25] Well, the, in the next scene we see somebody, a couple refer to a guy called Russell.

[00:15:34] Right.

[00:15:34] The, um, so the, the couple is Timmy's parents.

[00:15:38] And so, and they said, yeah, I'm sorry.

[00:15:41] They said, do you think Russell, who's by the way, played by Nick Haverson.

[00:15:46] And that's who we saw leading what I called group B.

[00:15:49] Do you think Russell was lying?

[00:15:52] What about what do you think?

[00:15:54] Yeah.

[00:15:55] So, and this is when the dad McCall, which is face the actor that we recognize, um, that

[00:16:01] he says, and if he was lying, we were all dead anyway.

[00:16:05] Yeah.

[00:16:05] So anyway, sorry.

[00:16:06] What are your thoughts?

[00:16:06] So I wouldn't, so I wonder whether Russell has been sent outside to clean, seeing the,

[00:16:19] the virtual reality display of a nice green.

[00:16:23] How would he get back in?

[00:16:25] But that's the thing.

[00:16:26] If you like walk straight out the silo, see that and then like dive straight back in.

[00:16:32] How do you get back in though?

[00:16:33] Nobody's ever gotten back in.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:36] But there must be like, there must be like a short period of time where the top of the

[00:16:39] silo is closing after you've gone out.

[00:16:42] If you like sort of doing Indiana Jones and dive back through the gap.

[00:16:47] Hmm.

[00:16:48] Okay.

[00:16:49] I have thoughts on that, that I cannot say because they haven't, I think they made this

[00:16:54] clear already by this point in the books.

[00:16:57] Um, but the, yeah, it's not so simple.

[00:17:01] Okay.

[00:17:02] Okay.

[00:17:03] So that, that doesn't work.

[00:17:05] Yeah.

[00:17:05] But you, I mean, so if you think it's about the green programming, do you think it's possible?

[00:17:10] They found it in a similar way to how Juliet and, and Allison and, um, and George found

[00:17:17] it.

[00:17:17] Well, I'm tempted to say no, because if that happened, then my theory that all the silos

[00:17:25] are communicating with each other kind of goes out the window because if that were the

[00:17:30] case, they would have made sure that that error was not going to be repeated.

[00:17:36] I mean, yeah, a lot of, a lot of things to break down there.

[00:17:41] First of all, I just want to remind people who might not know what we mean about the green

[00:17:45] programming.

[00:17:46] Um, that just, uh, cause I know some people are hazy on season one, um, is that they Juliet

[00:17:53] discovered, well, Allison helped George discover this program in this old software and Juliet

[00:17:59] eventually got to see it along with some other people that shows that it is green outside.

[00:18:05] But when Juliet went outside, she saw this program showing it green, but then she realized

[00:18:09] she saw the same birds, V of birds as in the video.

[00:18:12] And she realized it was just a loop and, uh, it's fake.

[00:18:16] And obviously it's actually desolate out there as we see in this episode.

[00:18:19] So yeah.

[00:18:21] So they might've thought it was green out there and we're rushing to it.

[00:18:23] And then instead they found wasteland.

[00:18:27] Um, but okay.

[00:18:29] But what else you were saying was about, um, sorry, what did you say?

[00:18:36] Well, what I was, what I was saying is if they, if, if, if Allison and George found the

[00:18:43] old program in a way that, um, is similar to what happened in silo 17, then that kind

[00:18:51] of tell people, pardon.

[00:18:53] You said they would tell people, but how would they tell?

[00:18:56] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:18:58] What I'm saying is if, if that, if that kind of leak happened in silo 17, that kind of speaks

[00:19:05] against my idea that all the silos can communicate with each other.

[00:19:10] Because if that happened that way, once the heads of it would get together and make sure

[00:19:15] it couldn't happen that way again.

[00:19:17] Oh, I see what you mean.

[00:19:18] Yeah.

[00:19:19] Um, well, I mean, I'm not going to say anything about your idea about them, the silos communicating

[00:19:24] with each other, but, um, but how like the heads of it would like Bernard in silo 18 would

[00:19:34] have loved to have stopped it, but it was beyond his power because it was just this, this hard

[00:19:38] drive that he didn't have in, you know, he, he looked for it and he even interrogated people

[00:19:44] for it and, uh, or what's her face, Regina George's ex.

[00:19:48] Yeah.

[00:19:49] Her, she was kind of low key tortured and her mother was like put in the mines and things

[00:19:54] like that to force her to cooperate.

[00:19:57] So he would have stopped it.

[00:19:59] And I think, yeah, that's he, but he's still only a human.

[00:20:03] He can't.

[00:20:04] Yeah, that's true.

[00:20:06] That's true.

[00:20:08] Um, why do you think that the bridge was blown up?

[00:20:13] Well, presumably that was like collateral damage to the conflict to like stop the insurgents

[00:20:20] being able to move between, to move between levels.

[00:20:24] Mm hmm.

[00:20:24] Um, so we don't know, we don't know whether it was team a or team B that did that, but

[00:20:31] it would kind of make sense from both sides to, if you can't, if you can't defeat your

[00:20:37] opponent, then your next best outcome is stalemate.

[00:20:41] And if people can't move between levels, then the outcome is going to be stalemate.

[00:20:47] I would guess that it was team B since the sheriff's group is the one who wanted to get across

[00:20:53] that and go up and they built a bridge for it.

[00:20:55] Yeah, I guess.

[00:20:56] Who do you think group B is?

[00:20:59] We see some, they, they're obviously much better equipped.

[00:21:02] We see people in riot gear.

[00:21:04] Yeah.

[00:21:05] I mean that, that to me, the, the, the, the sort of the, the riot gear says judicial.

[00:21:10] It says, yeah, it says judicial.

[00:21:14] It says it.

[00:21:15] It says, what were the people that's, I can't remember.

[00:21:20] I'm blanking on the people that Sims commanded the janitor's closet.

[00:21:24] Yeah.

[00:21:25] Yeah.

[00:21:26] Yeah.

[00:21:27] Um, I wonder if Russell, who's not a character in the book, by the way, that's the flashbacks

[00:21:33] to what happened, um, happened differently in the book.

[00:21:35] We still haven't seen that part.

[00:21:37] Um, but I wonder if Russell is, could be the Bernard of Silo 17 or was obviously.

[00:21:45] All right.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:21:48] So I'm wondering if this is yeah.

[00:21:50] It and judicial indeed, because they seem to be the ones in authority, but then it is funny.

[00:21:54] So the sheriff was downstairs and it seems like he's teamed up with the down deepers.

[00:22:02] Like, is it always the down deepers who rebel?

[00:22:04] Yeah.

[00:22:05] This is, this is the thing.

[00:22:06] Like I get that they want to establish that there are parallels between Silo 17 and Silo

[00:22:12] 18, but this may be a little bit on the, this may be a little bit on the nose.

[00:22:18] Hmm.

[00:22:20] Um, do you think that there's so Jimmy's dad or sorry, Timmy's dad, he grabbed a green flag

[00:22:26] to lead the people out.

[00:22:27] Do you think there's any meaning to the green flag other than allowing users to track which

[00:22:32] corpse is his?

[00:22:33] I think it probably, yeah, it does track which corpses is his.

[00:22:38] I, I, I don't think we know at this point, we might get more flashbacks later on.

[00:22:44] We might get some explanation, but he did that whole like sort of scene where they're charging

[00:22:49] across the bridge, that whole, like he needed some, like, he needed some like martial music.

[00:22:54] He needed some like proper Les Mis style music.

[00:22:57] The whole thing looked very Les Mis to me.

[00:23:00] Yeah.

[00:23:01] Yeah.

[00:23:02] The flag thing was a Les Mis moment.

[00:23:03] I did wonder if it's like green, like it's supposed to be green outside.

[00:23:07] Yeah.

[00:23:07] Yeah.

[00:23:07] I think practically it's just so viewers can track like, oh.

[00:23:11] Yeah.

[00:23:12] That, that, yeah.

[00:23:13] That person died.

[00:23:14] It all went horribly wrong.

[00:23:16] Yeah.

[00:23:17] Do you think that the entire Silo followed this group out or what about whatever remained

[00:23:23] of group B who we're assuming if that's.

[00:23:26] Yeah.

[00:23:27] That's an interesting question.

[00:23:29] Um, that is an interesting question.

[00:23:33] And one I hadn't really thought about presumably because of the lid of the silo is off.

[00:23:39] They're all going to get poisoned eventually anyway, or they're all going to, or they're all

[00:23:44] going to drown.

[00:23:46] Hmm.

[00:23:47] Well, or yeah, the, the top few floors are open at least.

[00:23:52] Yeah.

[00:23:53] Um, so relative to the present timeline with Juliet, how long ago do you think this happened?

[00:23:59] That was something I thought about.

[00:24:01] I mean, the corpses are all very well decomposed.

[00:24:06] So it happened some time ago, although we don't know how toxic the air is and that outside

[00:24:12] and that may have speeded the whole decomposition process up.

[00:24:16] Mm-hmm.

[00:24:17] But the bodies that Juliet finds hanging over the banister in the silo also look pretty gnarly.

[00:24:24] Mm-hmm.

[00:24:24] So I'm going to say, I'm going to say at least a decade probably.

[00:24:30] And, um, we meet a survivor named Solo at the end of this episode.

[00:24:35] How do you think he fits into this picture?

[00:24:38] And by the way, the name Solo isn't said in this episode, but it was revealed at Comic-Con

[00:24:41] and it's just easier to talk about him with a name.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:45] I, I, I don't know.

[00:24:46] I kind of, I kind of got the, in my head canon, I kind of thought of this as if team a, if the

[00:24:53] sheriff's team were wrong, did they want to preserve some, did they want to like having

[00:25:01] Noah's Ark that preserved some memory, some sort of living history of silo 17?

[00:25:10] Um, but why only preserve one person?

[00:25:14] Yeah.

[00:25:14] I really don't, I really don't know what's going on with Solo.

[00:25:18] Hmm.

[00:25:18] I think that's one of the big mysteries this episode sets up for the season.

[00:25:22] Yeah.

[00:25:23] I also think it would be unlikely that everyone would follow them out if people are trying

[00:25:27] to stop them.

[00:25:29] Yeah.

[00:25:30] Yeah.

[00:25:31] Um, I do have to point out book Easter egg that the people in this silo are shown wearing

[00:25:37] different color coded coveralls in the book.

[00:25:41] Everyone all the time wears coveralls color coded for their jobs.

[00:25:45] So that was, uh, they seem to be working more color coded coveralls into this season.

[00:25:51] I just thought that was to distinguish that we're in a different, I thought that was just

[00:25:55] one more signifier that we're in a different silo that we haven't switched back.

[00:26:00] In the books in silo 18, they were that we, I mean, we have seen people in silo 18 where

[00:26:05] that while they're working.

[00:26:07] Yeah.

[00:26:07] Like yellow seems to be maintenance.

[00:26:09] And we saw, um, for instance, Patrick wearing yellow coveralls while he was painting.

[00:26:14] Things like that.

[00:26:15] So, but yeah, they seem to have been, there seems to be a few, uh, gifts for book people

[00:26:22] in here.

[00:26:24] All right.

[00:26:25] Do you have any other thoughts about that, that opening with the flashback?

[00:26:29] No, I think that's it.

[00:26:31] Except that, um, except that, yeah.

[00:26:35] Um, judicial, judicial and the raiders and janitors don't seem to be putting up like much

[00:26:42] of a fight.

[00:26:43] Um, like they're clearly very heavily outnumbered, but they are the ones with, they are the ones

[00:26:49] with the guns.

[00:26:51] So I think they probably just condensed that scene cause they didn't want it to take right

[00:26:56] long, but like, I get the idea.

[00:26:59] Yeah.

[00:26:59] I did think this, this is a try.

[00:27:00] This is a trifle too easy to be honest.

[00:27:04] Maybe they were reluctant to kill, you know, fellow silo Zins.

[00:27:10] Yeah.

[00:27:11] But I think it was just, we need to condense the scene a little bit to get onto the rest of

[00:27:16] the episode.

[00:27:18] And that's fine.

[00:27:19] Yeah.

[00:27:20] Yeah.

[00:27:20] When you get young, as you said, the episode's only 45 minutes.

[00:27:23] Or I guess you said that all fair, but yeah, that remains true.

[00:27:26] Um, okay.

[00:27:28] Well, we're going to jump forward and talk about the, what Juliet is going through in the

[00:27:34] present moment right after a quick break.

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[00:28:32] All right, so we cut to the present and Juliet, played by Rebecca Ferguson.

[00:28:39] She's outside in the wasteland in her specially reinforced cleaning suit.

[00:28:44] She's walked out of the crater where the entrance to her silo, silo 18, is tucked

[00:28:48] and into the next crater over where silo 17 is.

[00:28:53] And she has to wade through a sea of decaying corpses,

[00:28:57] a tattered green flag blowing in the breeze, crunching across their bodies,

[00:29:01] which have partially wedged open the outermost silo door.

[00:29:05] She wriggles inside, landing on piles of more bodies,

[00:29:08] some of whose meat is still clinging to the bones.

[00:29:13] She clears enough corpses that she can shut the door at the bottom of the ramp

[00:29:17] up to the outside, but she still needs to pry her way into the silo proper

[00:29:21] with makeshift weapons lying around where they dropped on the sheriff's army's way outside.

[00:29:26] She notices a tear and the heat tape sealing one of the wrists of her suit.

[00:29:31] And afraid that might have let in some of the toxic outside air,

[00:29:35] she goes tearing off to find a way to wash herself

[00:29:37] and to get her helmet off as she's also running out of oxygen.

[00:29:40] Running through the up top cafeteria,

[00:29:42] she grabs a knife, a flashlight and some canisters of soup that were lying around.

[00:29:46] And she runs down the stairs away from the top of the silo

[00:29:50] where the bad air has been let in.

[00:29:51] And then she uses these tools to bash open her helmet,

[00:29:55] which is stuck and running out of air.

[00:29:57] And she washes off her suit before cutting it off of her.

[00:30:02] So indeed we saw that the father's,

[00:30:05] Timmy's father's corpse on the ground identified by the green flag.

[00:30:09] And then nearby there was a woman cradling a child.

[00:30:12] So presumably his wife and son.

[00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:17] I mean, can you imagine how horrific that would be for the citizens of Silo 17?

[00:30:21] You know, they fought the good fight to get out there in the world

[00:30:25] and see all this greenery.

[00:30:26] And like the first guy out and it's like, oh crap.

[00:30:30] Yeah.

[00:30:31] Oh no.

[00:30:33] And actually there was an interesting little camera angle

[00:30:38] because for a brief couple of frames,

[00:30:41] the camera goes so it's looking down on the crater of Silo 17.

[00:30:48] And actually like the corpses are really spread out.

[00:30:52] So like a few people,

[00:30:54] a few people.

[00:30:54] They made a good run for it.

[00:30:56] Yeah.

[00:30:56] A few people actually made it over the lip.

[00:30:59] Yeah.

[00:31:00] Um, so.

[00:31:01] They didn't waste time cleaning.

[00:31:03] Yeah.

[00:31:03] It's not like everybody just dropped.

[00:31:06] Um, the second they got out the Silo.

[00:31:09] So I thought that was,

[00:31:10] I thought that was,

[00:31:11] that was kind of interesting.

[00:31:13] Hmm.

[00:31:14] Um,

[00:31:15] I have to say this is this,

[00:31:17] the sequence you described is the one moment in the episode

[00:31:21] that I thought there was a serious logic failure.

[00:31:23] Okay.

[00:31:24] And it took me out the episode for a couple of minutes,

[00:31:27] which is when Juliet is using that crowbar or whatever it is

[00:31:32] to smash open her helmet,

[00:31:34] she would have gotten a face full of glass.

[00:31:37] Hmm.

[00:31:37] Well.

[00:31:37] Like she needed to do it,

[00:31:39] but she would have cut herself to ribbons.

[00:31:42] And you like,

[00:31:42] you see her put the.

[00:31:45] I don't know that the glass doesn't fly with that amount of velocity

[00:31:48] when it's that close to her face,

[00:31:49] but she could have bashed herself in the face with the crowbar.

[00:31:52] Yeah.

[00:31:53] I'm going to say,

[00:31:54] I just,

[00:31:54] yeah.

[00:31:55] If you do that,

[00:31:56] you're going to get a face full of glass.

[00:31:59] So going back to what you just said a moment ago,

[00:32:02] um,

[00:32:03] would you declare this a,

[00:32:05] so this,

[00:32:05] if we're going to call this a rebellion,

[00:32:06] what was going on with the sheriff's group,

[00:32:08] was it successful?

[00:32:09] Because they achieved their goal of getting outside and they seem to feel

[00:32:13] like they were going to die either way.

[00:32:16] So yeah.

[00:32:17] Did they quote unquote succeed,

[00:32:19] even though they all died and what would a successful rebellion in this

[00:32:22] world look like?

[00:32:24] Yeah.

[00:32:24] I mean,

[00:32:24] that's the thing.

[00:32:25] I don't think there is such a thing as a successful rebellion in this

[00:32:28] world,

[00:32:28] because what you're rebelling about will get you killed.

[00:32:32] Um,

[00:32:33] and personally,

[00:32:33] if it was me,

[00:32:35] I would rather die with my illusions intact,

[00:32:38] to be honest,

[00:32:41] rather than sort of step out into the real world and go,

[00:32:43] Oh,

[00:32:44] it turns out everything is crap.

[00:32:46] But then suppose that they were right about,

[00:32:49] them dying anyway,

[00:32:50] which I'm not convinced of at all.

[00:32:52] Um,

[00:32:53] because yeah,

[00:32:53] so there's there,

[00:32:54] but if they stayed and they drowned,

[00:32:58] then they would have died thinking they hadn't tried.

[00:33:01] And to me,

[00:33:02] that would be worse.

[00:33:03] Oh,

[00:33:03] okay.

[00:33:03] I think we're just going to have to,

[00:33:04] I think we're just going to have to disagree to disagree here because yeah,

[00:33:08] no,

[00:33:09] like dying is one thing,

[00:33:11] but dying,

[00:33:12] realizing the thing you fought for was a complete illusion.

[00:33:16] Like,

[00:33:16] yeah,

[00:33:17] I would rather,

[00:33:17] I would rather die with my illusions intact,

[00:33:19] to be honest.

[00:33:21] Also,

[00:33:22] also there's not much in this.

[00:33:24] I always would rather know the truth.

[00:33:25] Okay.

[00:33:25] There's not much in this,

[00:33:27] but I think I would prefer to drown rather than,

[00:33:29] uh,

[00:33:30] rather than,

[00:33:31] um,

[00:33:32] whatever happens out there.

[00:33:33] Whatever happens out there.

[00:33:34] Yeah.

[00:33:35] Yeah.

[00:33:35] Yeah.

[00:33:36] Well,

[00:33:36] we see that,

[00:33:38] you know,

[00:33:38] Juliet has something on her arm,

[00:33:40] which I guess is supposed to be from the toxic air.

[00:33:42] And that is not looking pretty.

[00:33:43] Yeah.

[00:33:43] No,

[00:33:43] that's nasty.

[00:33:45] Yeah.

[00:33:45] but we also get in the sequence,

[00:33:47] we get an answer to the question from the trailer.

[00:33:49] She runs through the cafeteria and silo 17 with lies written on the screen.

[00:33:54] So now we were wondering,

[00:33:56] is that silo 17 or is it silo 18 where things?

[00:34:00] And now we know it's 17.

[00:34:02] Yeah.

[00:34:03] Yeah.

[00:34:04] So how long do you think the bodies have been laying there?

[00:34:08] Do you,

[00:34:09] like I say,

[00:34:09] the ones outside,

[00:34:10] it's hard to tell because with the air being as toxic as it clearly is,

[00:34:15] that could have like really speeded up the decay.

[00:34:18] So like I say,

[00:34:20] I think we're looking at about 10 years because the,

[00:34:23] the corpses that Juliet finds inside the ones that are swinging off the

[00:34:28] banister look pretty gnarly,

[00:34:30] look pretty gnarly as well.

[00:34:32] yeah.

[00:34:33] Although,

[00:34:34] so I looked it up out of curiosity and they said,

[00:34:37] um,

[00:34:38] if bodies that are outside and ideal conditions for decay,

[00:34:43] which I would guess the toxic outside might be,

[00:34:45] that,

[00:34:45] that they could be stripped bare within days.

[00:34:48] Um,

[00:34:49] Oh,

[00:34:49] that's not it.

[00:34:50] But when they're buried,

[00:34:52] I didn't need to know that.

[00:34:54] But when they're buried,

[00:34:56] then it can take like up to a decade.

[00:34:59] Um,

[00:35:01] so we do see,

[00:35:02] I just want to point out,

[00:35:03] we do see when she falls in,

[00:35:05] some of them do have some meat clinging to the bones.

[00:35:08] I'm not saying that that means anything about the timing.

[00:35:10] I'm just pointing out that it's there.

[00:35:12] Yeah.

[00:35:13] So we'll find out more about the timing.

[00:35:15] I'm sure as we go on now.

[00:35:17] Okay.

[00:35:18] So I told you when we did our trailer breakdown,

[00:35:21] that this is the most gnarly part of the book,

[00:35:25] perhaps this whole sequence.

[00:35:28] So I'm going to go ahead and read the book version,

[00:35:31] which I do think is indeed just a little bit gnarlier.

[00:35:33] So anyone who thinks they can't stomach hearing about Juliet crawling across some corpses,

[00:35:38] just push the forward button a couple of times.

[00:35:42] Uh,

[00:35:42] for the rest of you,

[00:35:43] this is an excerpt from wool,

[00:35:45] the first book in the silo series.

[00:35:46] And this is from part four of that book,

[00:35:49] chapter five of part four,

[00:35:50] part four is called the unraveling.

[00:35:52] The bodies were everywhere covered in dust and dirt suits worn down by the toxic eaters that lived in the winds.

[00:35:59] Juliet found herself stumbling over more and more of them.

[00:36:02] And then they were constant.

[00:36:03] A mass of boulders jumbled together.

[00:36:05] A few were in suits similar to her own,

[00:36:08] but most wore rags that had been eaten away into streamers.

[00:36:11] When the wind blew past her boots and across the bodies,

[00:36:14] strips of clothing waved like kelp in the down deeps fish farms.

[00:36:19] Unable to pick her way around the mall,

[00:36:21] she found herself stepping over the remains,

[00:36:23] working her way closer and closer to the sensor tower,

[00:36:26] the bodies easily in the hundreds,

[00:36:28] possibly the thousands.

[00:36:29] These weren't people from her silo,

[00:36:31] she realized.

[00:36:32] However obvious,

[00:36:33] the sensation was startling.

[00:36:35] Other people,

[00:36:36] that they were dead,

[00:36:38] did nothing to diminish the soul shattering reality that people had lived so close and she had never known.

[00:36:44] Juliet had somehow crossed an uninhabitable void

[00:36:47] and had gone from one universe to another,

[00:36:49] was possibly the first to have ever done so.

[00:36:52] And here was a graveyard of foreign souls,

[00:36:55] of people just like her,

[00:36:56] having lived and died in a world so similar and so near to her own.

[00:37:00] She made her way through dead bodies thick as crumbling rock,

[00:37:04] the forms becoming indistinguishable from one another.

[00:37:07] They were piled high in places and she had to choose her path carefully.

[00:37:11] As she neared the ramp leading down to this other silo,

[00:37:14] she found herself needing to step on a body or two in order to pass.

[00:37:17] It looked as though they'd been trying to get away and had scampered over one another,

[00:37:22] creating their own small hills in a mad attempt to reach the real ones.

[00:37:27] But then,

[00:37:28] when she reached the ramp heading down,

[00:37:30] she saw a crush of bodies at the steel airlock door and realized they had been trying to get back in.

[00:37:35] She swam among them,

[00:37:37] waited where she had to.

[00:37:38] She stepped through broken and hollow bodies,

[00:37:40] kicked aside bones and tattered remains,

[00:37:42] and fought her way to the partly cracked doors.

[00:37:46] There was a figure there,

[00:37:47] frozen between its iron teeth,

[00:37:49] one arm in,

[00:37:50] one out,

[00:37:51] a scream trapped on a gray and withered face,

[00:37:54] two eye sockets empty and staring.

[00:37:56] Shown the way,

[00:37:57] she tugged the body out of the gap,

[00:37:59] her breathing loud in her helmet,

[00:38:01] her exhalations misting on the screen before her nose.

[00:38:04] Half the body pulled free,

[00:38:06] the other half collapsed inside the door,

[00:38:08] a mist of powdered flesh drifted down in between.

[00:38:11] Yum!

[00:38:13] Yeah.

[00:38:15] That's jolly.

[00:38:16] I think they did a good job representing that for TV.

[00:38:19] They did.

[00:38:20] They did.

[00:38:22] Most of this first part about her prying her way in,

[00:38:25] like using the tools on the door,

[00:38:28] you know,

[00:38:28] having trouble,

[00:38:29] especially in the inner door.

[00:38:30] This is like pretty much lifted straight from the page.

[00:38:33] So that's one of the places where they actually did that more,

[00:38:36] which I understand why.

[00:38:38] But yeah,

[00:38:39] one big book difference is this whole sequence.

[00:38:41] It's cutting back and forth between silo 18 stuff.

[00:38:44] At the same time,

[00:38:45] we do get cutting back and forth between flashbacks in this episode,

[00:38:47] but at the same time as this,

[00:38:49] you're also reading about what's going on at the same time with like Lucas

[00:38:53] and Martha and stuff.

[00:38:54] Well,

[00:38:54] it's not Martha in the book,

[00:38:55] but Walker.

[00:38:56] Um,

[00:38:58] so yeah,

[00:38:58] that's a difference.

[00:39:00] Question about,

[00:39:01] she pours the soup on her.

[00:39:03] Do you think that was enough to get the bad air off her suit?

[00:39:07] Well,

[00:39:07] she's only got,

[00:39:08] like you say,

[00:39:09] she's only got that one burn or wealth or whatever you want to call it on

[00:39:14] her arm.

[00:39:16] So probably.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:19] I mean,

[00:39:20] I guess so.

[00:39:20] Yeah.

[00:39:20] Um,

[00:39:21] this is one of the questions that I've been wondering most,

[00:39:24] if they would portray this part.

[00:39:26] So I'm going to do one other reading from the book and from this sequence.

[00:39:30] Um,

[00:39:31] and this is about,

[00:39:32] this is the version of the soup bath in the book.

[00:39:34] Okay.

[00:39:35] So this is also from wool part for the unraveling,

[00:39:38] but this is chapter eight.

[00:39:40] She was desperate enough to try anything.

[00:39:42] Juliet moved inside the walk-in,

[00:39:44] letting the door swing slowly shut behind her.

[00:39:46] She seized one of the large plastic containers,

[00:39:49] a bucket,

[00:39:49] the size of the largest cooking pots and tore the top off.

[00:39:53] The door clicked shut,

[00:39:54] returning her to her solid darkness.

[00:39:56] Juliet knelt beneath the shelf and tipped the massive bucket over.

[00:40:00] She could feel the liquid soup splatter over her suit,

[00:40:04] crinkling it and splashing it.

[00:40:06] Her knees slipped in the stuff.

[00:40:07] She felt for the next one and did the same,

[00:40:09] ran her fingers into the puddles and coated herself in it.

[00:40:12] There was no way of knowing if she was being crazy,

[00:40:15] if she was making things worse,

[00:40:16] or if any of it mattered.

[00:40:17] Her boot slipped,

[00:40:18] sending her flat on her back,

[00:40:20] her helmet cracking against the floor.

[00:40:22] Juliet lay there in a puddle of tepid soup,

[00:40:24] unable to see her breath,

[00:40:26] raspy and stale.

[00:40:27] The helmet had to come off.

[00:40:29] She fumbled for the latches,

[00:40:31] could barely feel them through her gloves.

[00:40:32] Her gloves were too thick.

[00:40:34] They were going to kill her.

[00:40:35] She rolled to her belly and crawled through the soup,

[00:40:38] her hands and knees slipping.

[00:40:39] She reached the door,

[00:40:40] gasping and fumbled for the handle,

[00:40:42] found it,

[00:40:43] threw the door open.

[00:40:44] There was a rack of knives gleaming behind the counter.

[00:40:46] She lurched to her feet and grabbed one,

[00:40:48] held the blade in her thick mitts,

[00:40:50] and slumped to the floor,

[00:40:51] exhausted and dizzy.

[00:40:53] Turning the blade towards her own neck,

[00:40:55] Juliet groped for the latch.

[00:40:56] She slid the point along her collar

[00:40:58] until it caught in the crack of the button.

[00:41:01] Steadying herself,

[00:41:02] her arms shaking,

[00:41:03] she moved the knife and pressed in,

[00:41:05] shoving it toward her body

[00:41:06] against all physical revulsion at the act.

[00:41:08] There was a faint click,

[00:41:09] and her helmet popped off.

[00:41:12] Juliet's body took over for her,

[00:41:13] urging deep gulps of foul air.

[00:41:16] The stench was unbearable,

[00:41:17] but she couldn't stop gasping for more.

[00:41:19] Rotted food,

[00:41:20] biological decay,

[00:41:21] a tepid filth of stenches

[00:41:23] invaded her mouth,

[00:41:25] tongue,

[00:41:25] nose.

[00:41:26] She turned to the side and retched,

[00:41:28] but nothing came out.

[00:41:29] Her hands were still slippery with soup.

[00:41:31] Breathing was painful.

[00:41:33] She imagined a burning sensation in her skin,

[00:41:35] but it could have been her fevered state.

[00:41:37] She crawled away from the walk-in

[00:41:39] toward the cafeteria,

[00:41:40] out of the fog of rotting soup

[00:41:42] before she managed to go with air.

[00:41:45] So, yeah,

[00:41:46] I was a little disappointed

[00:41:48] in the show version of the soup bath,

[00:41:49] but they gave us a nod.

[00:41:51] Yeah, they did.

[00:41:52] And I have to say,

[00:41:53] the book version of getting the helmet off

[00:41:55] makes more sense

[00:41:57] than the show version

[00:41:58] of getting the helmet off.

[00:41:59] Yeah,

[00:42:00] the show version is more dramatic.

[00:42:02] Yeah,

[00:42:02] that putting the chisel

[00:42:05] or whatever it was

[00:42:06] through the glass,

[00:42:07] that really bothered me

[00:42:08] because, yeah,

[00:42:08] you would just get a face full of glass.

[00:42:12] Yeah,

[00:42:13] so I condensed the text

[00:42:14] that I read a little bit.

[00:42:15] So she does have to find

[00:42:16] like two things

[00:42:17] to get off the helmet,

[00:42:18] two levers to click.

[00:42:20] But yeah,

[00:42:20] of course,

[00:42:21] there must be a way

[00:42:21] to get the helmet off,

[00:42:22] right?

[00:42:23] Well,

[00:42:24] if you got it on,

[00:42:24] you must be able

[00:42:25] to get it off.

[00:42:26] Right.

[00:42:28] Yeah,

[00:42:28] it's a much more dramatic

[00:42:29] helmet reveal in the show

[00:42:31] for sure.

[00:42:33] Helmet removal.

[00:42:36] Okay,

[00:42:37] so now

[00:42:38] Juliette is stripped down

[00:42:39] to a t-shirt

[00:42:40] and shorts

[00:42:41] and the wrist

[00:42:42] that had been exposed

[00:42:43] was now,

[00:42:44] is now bandaged

[00:42:45] and Juliette explores

[00:42:46] the abandoned silo

[00:42:47] that looks so much

[00:42:48] like her own

[00:42:48] but empty,

[00:42:49] dark and overgrown

[00:42:50] with vines,

[00:42:51] cables and wires

[00:42:52] draped across the ceiling

[00:42:53] going to who knows where.

[00:42:54] But she did find,

[00:42:56] she does find

[00:42:57] a yellow jumpsuit

[00:42:58] to put on

[00:42:58] in one of the empty homes

[00:42:59] and then she notices

[00:43:00] a light somewhere.

[00:43:01] It seems some part

[00:43:03] of this silo

[00:43:04] has working electricity

[00:43:05] and she finds a farm

[00:43:06] whose watering system

[00:43:07] and grow lights

[00:43:08] are still working

[00:43:09] and she fills

[00:43:10] her canteen.

[00:43:11] And yeah,

[00:43:12] we also see her here.

[00:43:13] She breaks a mirror

[00:43:14] just to be sure

[00:43:14] but yep,

[00:43:15] camera's hidden

[00:43:16] behind the mirrors

[00:43:17] and this one's as well.

[00:43:18] Yep.

[00:43:19] So,

[00:43:20] as she's exploring

[00:43:21] the silo

[00:43:21] we get this

[00:43:22] flash,

[00:43:23] we get this series

[00:43:24] of flashbacks.

[00:43:25] We're just going to talk

[00:43:25] about them all together

[00:43:26] about her childhood

[00:43:28] with scrapping

[00:43:29] with Shirley

[00:43:30] and getting mechanical

[00:43:31] with Martha.

[00:43:33] So,

[00:43:33] in the new silo

[00:43:34] is a dark mirror image

[00:43:35] of her own

[00:43:36] triggering memories.

[00:43:37] Juliette thinks back

[00:43:38] to when she first

[00:43:38] moved down to mechanical

[00:43:39] when she was 13.

[00:43:41] This version is played

[00:43:42] by Amelie Child-Villiers.

[00:43:45] Ville?

[00:43:46] I don't know

[00:43:46] if I should say

[00:43:47] Villiers.

[00:43:49] Villiers,

[00:43:49] I think.

[00:43:50] Yeah.

[00:43:51] She gets put

[00:43:52] on sorting duty

[00:43:53] in the scrapper's room

[00:43:55] and so she's checking

[00:43:56] what's been sent

[00:43:56] down the chute

[00:43:57] to see if any of it

[00:43:58] can be saved

[00:43:59] or sent back

[00:44:00] to recycling

[00:44:00] or sent to Walker

[00:44:01] before the rest

[00:44:03] goes to the incinerator.

[00:44:05] And there,

[00:44:06] a young Shirley

[00:44:06] played by Ida Brooke

[00:44:07] takes her under her wing

[00:44:09] with the help

[00:44:09] of the scrapper

[00:44:10] sorting leader

[00:44:11] Barney

[00:44:11] played by Brian Boval

[00:44:13] and they teach her

[00:44:14] the ways

[00:44:15] of the scrappers

[00:44:15] mechanical as a whole

[00:44:17] and Shirley even invites

[00:44:19] Juliette to live

[00:44:19] with her and her father

[00:44:20] which Juliette refuses.

[00:44:22] But after a heart-to-heart

[00:44:23] with her mentor

[00:44:24] Martha Walker

[00:44:25] played by Harriet Walters,

[00:44:27] Juliette realizes

[00:44:28] it might be nice

[00:44:28] to have a friend

[00:44:29] her own age.

[00:44:30] Juliette gives Shirley

[00:44:31] a toy that she'd

[00:44:32] saved and repaired

[00:44:33] despite everyone telling her

[00:44:34] it wasn't a good use

[00:44:35] of her time.

[00:44:36] And though Shirley

[00:44:38] at first scoffs

[00:44:38] she accepts the gesture

[00:44:40] as a,

[00:44:41] she accepts it

[00:44:41] as the gesture

[00:44:42] of friendship

[00:44:42] that it is.

[00:44:43] And I was just thinking

[00:44:44] that it was also,

[00:44:45] wasn't it the same

[00:44:46] with the watch

[00:44:46] that like people

[00:44:47] are always telling Juliette

[00:44:49] and the chair

[00:44:49] also her mother's chair

[00:44:50] people are always telling her

[00:44:51] like oh don't bother

[00:44:52] trying to fix that

[00:44:53] it's just a waste of time

[00:44:54] and then she's like

[00:44:55] gets double determined

[00:44:56] to fix it.

[00:44:57] Yeah.

[00:44:59] I love that

[00:45:00] there was a line

[00:45:01] in that scene

[00:45:02] that really made me laugh

[00:45:03] when Shirley's

[00:45:04] introducing Juliette

[00:45:06] to like all the other

[00:45:06] people on the recycling

[00:45:07] line.

[00:45:08] She just,

[00:45:09] this is Juliette

[00:45:10] she just moved down

[00:45:11] from the meds

[00:45:12] I think she lost

[00:45:13] the bet or something

[00:45:13] I think she lost

[00:45:14] the bet or something

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:17] And also,

[00:45:18] what the,

[00:45:19] and also the,

[00:45:19] the guy that's sort

[00:45:20] of running the line

[00:45:21] what is she a criminal?

[00:45:22] No,

[00:45:23] she's not a criminal.

[00:45:25] She's 13.

[00:45:27] I mean,

[00:45:28] I guess 13 year olds

[00:45:29] can make criminals.

[00:45:30] Yeah.

[00:45:31] But I did like,

[00:45:32] I think she lost

[00:45:33] the bet or something

[00:45:33] that made me chuckle.

[00:45:34] Yeah,

[00:45:34] that was really funny.

[00:45:35] Yeah.

[00:45:37] And so,

[00:45:38] uh,

[00:45:38] to forge their bond

[00:45:39] Shirley lets Juliette

[00:45:41] in on one more

[00:45:41] secret of mechanical.

[00:45:42] She takes her down

[00:45:43] to show her

[00:45:44] the hidden entrance

[00:45:45] to the digger room

[00:45:46] and tells her a story

[00:45:47] of how she once

[00:45:48] fell asleep there

[00:45:49] when visiting

[00:45:49] with Knox and others

[00:45:50] and they accidentally

[00:45:52] left her behind

[00:45:53] with no source of light

[00:45:54] and she had to

[00:45:55] slowly feel her way

[00:45:56] back across

[00:45:57] the high narrow beams

[00:45:58] to safety.

[00:45:59] So,

[00:46:00] first of all,

[00:46:01] Knox left

[00:46:02] Shirley

[00:46:03] sleeping

[00:46:04] alone in the dark

[00:46:05] in this dangerous place.

[00:46:06] Now he's got even

[00:46:07] more splaining to do

[00:46:08] after

[00:46:09] leaving the arrest

[00:46:10] in Juliette.

[00:46:11] He's got some serious

[00:46:11] splaining to do.

[00:46:12] That's child abuse,

[00:46:14] Knox.

[00:46:14] That's child abuse.

[00:46:15] I mean,

[00:46:16] to be fair,

[00:46:16] at that time

[00:46:17] he was also,

[00:46:18] we saw him last season

[00:46:19] the younger Knox

[00:46:19] is also like

[00:46:21] 20 max,

[00:46:22] you know.

[00:46:22] Yeah,

[00:46:23] he's at least

[00:46:25] five or six years

[00:46:26] older than Shirley.

[00:46:27] He should know better.

[00:46:28] Yeah,

[00:46:29] but no,

[00:46:29] I'm saying people

[00:46:30] in their early 20s

[00:46:30] are irresponsible.

[00:46:31] Sorry.

[00:46:32] To people

[00:46:33] in their early 20s.

[00:46:37] I do wonder,

[00:46:39] so this,

[00:46:40] so Shirley's the one

[00:46:41] who showed

[00:46:42] the digger room

[00:46:43] to Juliette.

[00:46:43] Fine,

[00:46:44] that makes sense.

[00:46:44] But then

[00:46:45] we see Juliette

[00:46:47] and George

[00:46:47] having like

[00:46:48] very private times

[00:46:49] in there.

[00:46:50] So did everyone know

[00:46:51] that that was like

[00:46:52] their secret love

[00:46:52] nest and give them

[00:46:53] space or did they

[00:46:54] just like had time

[00:46:55] to hear people

[00:46:56] if they came?

[00:46:57] Well,

[00:46:58] again,

[00:46:58] in my head canon,

[00:47:00] I kind of assumed

[00:47:01] that that's where

[00:47:02] people from mechanical

[00:47:03] go to sort of

[00:47:04] make out.

[00:47:06] So,

[00:47:07] my guess is

[00:47:08] that like,

[00:47:09] you know,

[00:47:10] my guess is there

[00:47:11] is some like

[00:47:11] mechanical version

[00:47:12] of a sock on the door.

[00:47:14] You can,

[00:47:15] you know,

[00:47:15] the old sock on the door,

[00:47:17] tie over the door

[00:47:17] kind of thing

[00:47:18] that you can do

[00:47:20] that will get you

[00:47:21] let alone.

[00:47:22] I guess you must

[00:47:23] be able to hear

[00:47:23] people coming

[00:47:24] because it's like

[00:47:25] a whole ordeal

[00:47:26] to get there.

[00:47:26] They have to like

[00:47:27] go through some tunnels

[00:47:28] and climb down

[00:47:28] this big ladder

[00:47:29] and go across

[00:47:30] the beams.

[00:47:32] Yeah.

[00:47:34] Seems like a lot

[00:47:35] of effort

[00:47:36] for privacy.

[00:47:37] But then again,

[00:47:39] where else,

[00:47:40] where else

[00:47:41] are you private?

[00:47:42] Right.

[00:47:43] Yeah.

[00:47:43] I mean,

[00:47:44] yeah,

[00:47:44] I mean,

[00:47:45] why not?

[00:47:45] What else are you

[00:47:46] going to do

[00:47:46] with your free time?

[00:47:48] Might as well

[00:47:49] explore that place,

[00:47:50] right?

[00:47:50] Exactly.

[00:47:51] But I did like

[00:47:52] the line

[00:47:53] Shirley has,

[00:47:54] of course you could.

[00:47:55] What else are you

[00:47:55] going to do?

[00:47:57] Yeah.

[00:47:58] Wait,

[00:47:59] we're going to talk

[00:47:59] about that in a minute.

[00:48:00] Okay.

[00:48:02] By the way,

[00:48:03] I want to give a shout

[00:48:04] out to,

[00:48:05] in the sorting parts,

[00:48:07] to a minor side character

[00:48:08] we might never see again,

[00:48:10] Gladys,

[00:48:10] played by Pippa Winslow.

[00:48:12] And she's like,

[00:48:13] she's kind of a salty

[00:48:14] character who's dropping

[00:48:15] like all these warnings

[00:48:16] like,

[00:48:17] it's hot in here,

[00:48:18] drink a lot,

[00:48:19] don't fall asleep

[00:48:20] on the belt

[00:48:20] or your hair will get

[00:48:21] caught in the rollers

[00:48:21] and you'll lose

[00:48:22] half your scalp.

[00:48:23] I'm like,

[00:48:23] that sounds like

[00:48:24] a personal experience

[00:48:25] that someone you know had.

[00:48:27] Yeah.

[00:48:27] No,

[00:48:28] it's not just

[00:48:29] drink a lot,

[00:48:30] it's drink until

[00:48:30] your pee runs.

[00:48:32] Right.

[00:48:33] Well,

[00:48:33] thank you for that.

[00:48:34] That's rather more

[00:48:35] anatomical than I needed.

[00:48:37] Hey,

[00:48:37] that is good advice

[00:48:38] for everyone.

[00:48:41] So,

[00:48:42] Shirley says,

[00:48:43] Walker hates toys

[00:48:44] when she's like

[00:48:45] telling Julia

[00:48:46] not to waste her time

[00:48:46] on that toy.

[00:48:48] Why do we think

[00:48:49] Walker hates toys?

[00:48:50] It's made me start

[00:48:51] to wonder,

[00:48:53] was there like,

[00:48:54] because we know

[00:48:55] she was married

[00:48:56] to that woman

[00:48:57] named Carla

[00:48:57] who we met

[00:48:58] at the end

[00:48:58] of the last season

[00:48:58] who works in supply.

[00:49:01] Was it possible

[00:49:02] they had a kid

[00:49:03] or was there

[00:49:04] a kid somehow involved?

[00:49:05] Why did they get divorced?

[00:49:07] Why does Walker

[00:49:08] hate toys?

[00:49:09] Yeah,

[00:49:09] I think,

[00:49:10] I think she had,

[00:49:11] she had a child

[00:49:12] at some point.

[00:49:13] The other thing

[00:49:13] we find out

[00:49:14] in that scene

[00:49:15] is that Walker's

[00:49:16] agoraphobia

[00:49:17] has either

[00:49:18] been something

[00:49:19] that has come on

[00:49:20] since Juliet was a child

[00:49:22] or has gotten worse

[00:49:25] because she talks

[00:49:26] about the time

[00:49:27] she had pneumonia

[00:49:27] and she talks

[00:49:29] about stepping out

[00:49:30] into the corridor.

[00:49:31] Well,

[00:49:31] I think that's meant,

[00:49:32] so we know

[00:49:33] that she hadn't

[00:49:34] left her workshop

[00:49:35] in 25 years

[00:49:37] and I think

[00:49:37] that she does,

[00:49:38] that does not count

[00:49:39] when I was leaving

[00:49:40] her workshop.

[00:49:41] She literally

[00:49:41] just like,

[00:49:42] but it shows,

[00:49:43] she just literally,

[00:49:44] you know,

[00:49:45] stuck her head

[00:49:45] out the door basically

[00:49:46] but it shows

[00:49:48] how panicked

[00:49:49] she was

[00:49:49] in that moment.

[00:49:50] Just the idea

[00:49:51] of being alone.

[00:49:52] Okay,

[00:49:53] I think that scene

[00:49:54] could have been

[00:49:55] slightly better written

[00:49:56] then because

[00:49:57] I got confused.

[00:49:58] I took it

[00:49:59] that she'd left

[00:50:00] the workshop.

[00:50:02] Okay,

[00:50:02] I mean,

[00:50:03] yeah,

[00:50:03] she just said

[00:50:04] I stepped out

[00:50:05] and yelled

[00:50:06] down the hallway

[00:50:06] and then

[00:50:07] Okay,

[00:50:08] I probably wasn't

[00:50:09] watching it

[00:50:09] closely enough

[00:50:10] but okay.

[00:50:12] I also just want

[00:50:13] to point out,

[00:50:14] I don't know,

[00:50:15] Juliet's apparently

[00:50:15] staying with someone

[00:50:16] called Mrs. Weavers.

[00:50:17] I don't think

[00:50:18] that that's

[00:50:19] the same person

[00:50:19] as Gladys.

[00:50:21] By the way,

[00:50:22] Apple,

[00:50:22] thank you for being

[00:50:23] like the only one

[00:50:24] to provide

[00:50:25] the subtitles

[00:50:26] with screeners

[00:50:27] but yeah,

[00:50:29] so I don't know,

[00:50:30] there's a Mrs. Weavers

[00:50:31] in play

[00:50:31] that might be a name

[00:50:32] we never hear again

[00:50:33] but just pointing it out

[00:50:34] just in case.

[00:50:36] Also,

[00:50:37] props to Apple

[00:50:37] as well

[00:50:38] because they do

[00:50:38] audio description.

[00:50:39] Right,

[00:50:40] yeah,

[00:50:40] and they provide

[00:50:41] that also with screeners,

[00:50:42] yeah.

[00:50:43] Yeah.

[00:50:44] And Walker

[00:50:45] gives Juliet

[00:50:46] a mysterious machine

[00:50:48] to fix

[00:50:49] and this is something

[00:50:50] like we first see it

[00:50:51] on the conveyor belt

[00:50:53] and Juliet clocks it,

[00:50:54] it goes to Walker

[00:50:55] and then she gives it

[00:50:56] to Juliet to fix

[00:50:56] and Juliet's like

[00:50:57] what is it?

[00:50:58] And she's like

[00:50:58] well that's your first question.

[00:50:59] Do you have any thoughts

[00:51:00] on what it might be?

[00:51:02] I was thinking

[00:51:03] some kind of radio

[00:51:07] but no,

[00:51:08] not really.

[00:51:10] Not really.

[00:51:11] It looked very complicated

[00:51:13] whatever it was.

[00:51:15] Yeah,

[00:51:16] I do wonder.

[00:51:17] Yeah,

[00:51:17] I feel like

[00:51:17] they gave it

[00:51:19] sufficient attention

[00:51:20] that we will,

[00:51:21] we might see that again.

[00:51:22] we might well

[00:51:22] come back to that.

[00:51:23] Mm-hmm.

[00:51:25] And we also find

[00:51:26] during this conversation

[00:51:27] between Juliet

[00:51:28] and Walker

[00:51:29] that other kids

[00:51:30] have been avoiding

[00:51:31] Juliet since her mother's death

[00:51:33] so I guess

[00:51:33] that also explains

[00:51:34] why she was eager

[00:51:35] to run away

[00:51:36] to somewhere new.

[00:51:37] Yeah.

[00:51:39] And Walker's like

[00:51:40] we call a spade

[00:51:41] a spade down here

[00:51:41] your mother killed herself

[00:51:42] like damn,

[00:51:43] okay.

[00:51:44] that was really

[00:51:45] that Martha

[00:51:46] that was really unnecessary.

[00:51:48] unnecessary.

[00:51:49] That was really unnecessary.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:53] And then as you said,

[00:51:55] Martha had that fever dream

[00:51:56] once when she had pneumonia

[00:51:57] that she was in an empty silo

[00:51:59] that she was alone

[00:52:00] and she called it

[00:52:00] the worst feeling

[00:52:01] she has ever had

[00:52:02] and so of course

[00:52:03] Juliet's thinking

[00:52:04] about that now

[00:52:05] while she's alone

[00:52:06] in this new silo

[00:52:07] as far as she knows.

[00:52:11] switching to Shirley

[00:52:13] Shirley thinks

[00:52:14] that she says

[00:52:15] the graffiti

[00:52:16] in the digger room

[00:52:17] she thinks it's from

[00:52:17] before the rebellion

[00:52:18] so just clocking that

[00:52:21] I wonder if we're

[00:52:22] ever going to see

[00:52:23] a flashback

[00:52:24] to the previous

[00:52:25] rebellion in 18.

[00:52:27] I hope so.

[00:52:29] Yeah,

[00:52:30] maybe not this season

[00:52:32] but I think eventually

[00:52:33] at some point

[00:52:34] the show is going

[00:52:35] to go there.

[00:52:36] It seems to be

[00:52:37] dropping enough breadcrumbs

[00:52:38] that it's going

[00:52:39] to go there eventually.

[00:52:40] Yeah.

[00:52:41] And so by the way

[00:52:42] for this week's

[00:52:44] spoiler cast

[00:52:45] I'm going to be

[00:52:46] talking about

[00:52:47] the rebellions

[00:52:48] in 17

[00:52:49] that we saw

[00:52:50] a glimpse of

[00:52:50] and in 18

[00:52:52] that we know of

[00:52:53] that happened

[00:52:55] before the start

[00:52:56] of the show

[00:52:57] and comparing them

[00:52:58] and how they went

[00:52:59] differently.

[00:53:00] So we'll be getting

[00:53:01] deeper into that.

[00:53:04] I love

[00:53:05] I think both

[00:53:06] of the young Shirley

[00:53:07] and young Juliet

[00:53:07] actresses are great.

[00:53:09] They're very natural

[00:53:10] and I love the chemistry

[00:53:11] between them.

[00:53:11] Yeah, they really were good.

[00:53:13] Particularly young Shirley.

[00:53:14] I really like young Shirley.

[00:53:16] She has good comedic timing.

[00:53:18] I like her whole

[00:53:19] like Juliet asks her

[00:53:20] when she talks about

[00:53:21] being stranded

[00:53:22] in the digger room

[00:53:23] in the dark

[00:53:23] like how did you get out?

[00:53:25] She says I didn't.

[00:53:25] I stayed here

[00:53:26] for the rest of my life.

[00:53:30] Nailed it.

[00:53:31] But then she says

[00:53:32] yeah, I went

[00:53:33] really, really slowly

[00:53:34] but I found my way

[00:53:36] and Juliet's like

[00:53:37] I couldn't do that

[00:53:38] and Shirley says

[00:53:39] sure you could have.

[00:53:40] What else are you going

[00:53:40] to die?

[00:53:42] So I just noticed

[00:53:43] like if you think about

[00:53:44] what are these flashbacks

[00:53:46] about other than

[00:53:47] giving us more info

[00:53:48] about these characters

[00:53:49] it seems to be

[00:53:51] about the two women

[00:53:52] in Juliet's life

[00:53:53] other than her

[00:53:54] dearly deceased mother

[00:53:55] of course

[00:53:55] but these are the two women

[00:53:57] who seem to have

[00:53:58] made Juliet

[00:53:59] who she is today

[00:54:00] and so these

[00:54:01] are the women

[00:54:02] who's

[00:54:02] she carries their words

[00:54:04] with her

[00:54:05] and that's what helps her

[00:54:06] get through the most

[00:54:06] impossible moments

[00:54:07] like this one.

[00:54:08] Yeah.

[00:54:09] And like clearly

[00:54:10] it's also showing you

[00:54:11] what Juliet's state of mind

[00:54:12] is in the present

[00:54:13] as well.

[00:54:15] Yeah.

[00:54:15] These are yeah.

[00:54:17] Yeah.

[00:54:19] Yeah and we see

[00:54:20] a nice transition

[00:54:20] by the way

[00:54:21] just calling on

[00:54:22] showing the two

[00:54:23] Juliet actresses

[00:54:24] have the same profile

[00:54:25] the same nose.

[00:54:27] Yeah.

[00:54:28] Again one of my pet peeves

[00:54:31] is child actors

[00:54:32] that look nothing

[00:54:33] like the adult character

[00:54:35] they're portraying

[00:54:36] and I think Silo

[00:54:37] has actually done

[00:54:38] a really good job

[00:54:39] with young Juliet

[00:54:40] of yes

[00:54:41] she could grow up

[00:54:42] into Rebecca Ferguson.

[00:54:44] Yes.

[00:54:45] It's believable.

[00:54:47] Yeah.

[00:54:48] All right.

[00:54:49] Well we're going to jump

[00:54:50] back to Juliet's

[00:54:52] present timeline

[00:54:53] and you know

[00:54:54] the rest of the

[00:54:55] MacGyvering

[00:54:56] that she does

[00:54:56] for us this episode

[00:54:57] and that cliffhanger

[00:54:58] it ends on

[00:54:59] after a quick break.

[00:55:01] See you in a sec.

[00:55:04] So back in the present

[00:55:05] Juliet continues

[00:55:06] to explore her new silo

[00:55:08] until she hears a sound

[00:55:09] from a couple levels below

[00:55:10] and sees another light on.

[00:55:12] She's determined

[00:55:13] to get to it

[00:55:14] and find out

[00:55:14] what made that noise

[00:55:15] but the blasted bridge

[00:55:17] leaves a large gap

[00:55:18] between herself

[00:55:19] and her destination.

[00:55:21] She notices

[00:55:22] more corpses

[00:55:23] and riot gear

[00:55:24] strung up

[00:55:24] upside down

[00:55:25] above the missing bridge

[00:55:26] so she goes up

[00:55:27] and pulls them up

[00:55:28] taking the rope

[00:55:29] that had been used

[00:55:30] to tie them up

[00:55:30] and creating

[00:55:31] a super rope

[00:55:32] for herself

[00:55:32] to swing and cross

[00:55:33] the gap

[00:55:34] but the rope breaks

[00:55:35] sending her falling

[00:55:36] through the silo

[00:55:37] which luckily for Juliet

[00:55:39] in this moment

[00:55:40] is flooded

[00:55:40] and she falls

[00:55:41] only a few levels

[00:55:43] before splashing

[00:55:43] into a giant pool

[00:55:44] of water

[00:55:45] from which she is able

[00:55:46] to pull herself

[00:55:47] back onto the steps.

[00:55:49] She re-bandages

[00:55:50] her arm

[00:55:51] and puts on

[00:55:51] a fresh jumpsuit

[00:55:52] trying to figure out

[00:55:53] what to try next

[00:55:54] but first

[00:55:55] she notices

[00:55:56] that the severed rope

[00:55:57] that caused her

[00:55:58] to fall

[00:55:58] isn't frayed

[00:55:59] it looks like

[00:56:00] it's been cut

[00:56:01] with a knife.

[00:56:03] Do you have any

[00:56:04] thoughts on that?

[00:56:05] Yeah

[00:56:06] it looks like

[00:56:07] it's been cut

[00:56:08] with a knife

[00:56:08] yeah

[00:56:09] so does that mean

[00:56:11] that the guy

[00:56:12] we see at the end

[00:56:13] is free to roam

[00:56:15] is wandering around

[00:56:16] the silo

[00:56:16] is there somebody else

[00:56:20] but my thoughts

[00:56:21] on the scene is

[00:56:22] A. the people

[00:56:23] fighting to get out

[00:56:24] the silo

[00:56:25] not necessarily

[00:56:26] the good guys

[00:56:27] they may be on

[00:56:28] the

[00:56:29] they may be

[00:56:29] they may be right

[00:56:30] but they're not

[00:56:31] necessarily the good guys

[00:56:32] but were they right?

[00:56:34] Well who knows

[00:56:35] yeah

[00:56:36] yeah

[00:56:36] it's a good question

[00:56:37] but yeah

[00:56:38] just hanging judicial

[00:56:39] literally off the balcony

[00:56:41] it's not a good look

[00:56:42] it's not a good look

[00:56:43] guys

[00:56:46] also

[00:56:46] and this is like

[00:56:48] this applies to the rest

[00:56:50] of the episode

[00:56:50] and the rest of the

[00:56:51] MacGyvering

[00:56:52] like this must have been

[00:56:54] a nightmare

[00:56:55] episode to shoot

[00:56:56] from a health and safety

[00:56:58] and like

[00:56:59] protection of your

[00:57:00] performers

[00:57:01] point of view

[00:57:02] because there is a lot

[00:57:03] there's a lot of stunt work

[00:57:04] and a lot of

[00:57:06] things being put together

[00:57:07] and people falling over

[00:57:10] and I was curious

[00:57:11] what's

[00:57:12] you know

[00:57:12] what is a stunt

[00:57:13] what's the stunt performer

[00:57:15] and what's Rebecca Ferguson

[00:57:16] in this episode

[00:57:18] and you know

[00:57:19] how it was all done

[00:57:20] because

[00:57:21] it's a

[00:57:22] like I say

[00:57:23] it's a very physical

[00:57:24] performance

[00:57:25] from Rebecca Ferguson

[00:57:26] not just in

[00:57:27] like I said

[00:57:28] the stuff I said before

[00:57:30] with her expressiveness

[00:57:31] but there's a lot of

[00:57:32] running

[00:57:33] and falling

[00:57:34] and swimming

[00:57:36] and

[00:57:36] yeah

[00:57:37] there's a

[00:57:38] it must have been a really

[00:57:40] demanding episode

[00:57:41] to shoot

[00:57:42] yeah

[00:57:43] yeah

[00:57:43] yeah

[00:57:44] yeah

[00:57:45] and also

[00:57:45] for

[00:57:46] in terms of

[00:57:47] like a lonely episode

[00:57:48] for Rebecca Ferguson

[00:57:49] to shoot

[00:57:49] yeah

[00:57:51] it was giving me

[00:57:52] by the way

[00:57:53] Jedi Fallen Order

[00:57:54] flashbacks

[00:57:55] with the whole

[00:57:55] rope swinging

[00:57:56] thing

[00:57:56] so anyone who's

[00:57:58] played that game

[00:57:58] you know what I mean

[00:58:01] but yeah

[00:58:01] I guess

[00:58:02] you know

[00:58:02] we had the questions

[00:58:03] from the trailer

[00:58:04] this is

[00:58:04] her falling in the water

[00:58:06] is clearly not

[00:58:06] the same scene

[00:58:07] we see in the trailer

[00:58:09] but

[00:58:11] we know where

[00:58:11] the water is

[00:58:12] I asked you

[00:58:12] where you thought

[00:58:13] the water was

[00:58:14] well here's some water

[00:58:15] yeah

[00:58:16] oh you know

[00:58:17] talking about

[00:58:19] computer games

[00:58:20] you know

[00:58:21] when you were a kid

[00:58:22] did you used to play

[00:58:23] those like

[00:58:24] PC

[00:58:25] problem solving games

[00:58:27] like

[00:58:27] Monkey Island

[00:58:28] or

[00:58:29] Simon

[00:58:29] yeah

[00:58:30] or Simon the Sorcerer

[00:58:32] and they came on like

[00:58:32] 19

[00:58:33] they came on like

[00:58:34] discs that were stacked

[00:58:35] like you know

[00:58:36] 19 discs do

[00:58:37] and you had to keep

[00:58:38] changing discs

[00:58:38] that episode

[00:58:39] reminded me of those

[00:58:40] a little bit

[00:58:41] as well

[00:58:42] kind of

[00:58:42] oh

[00:58:42] because

[00:58:43] yeah

[00:58:43] yeah

[00:58:44] you know

[00:58:45] you come to a clearing

[00:58:46] in the woods

[00:58:47] and the bridge

[00:58:47] is down

[00:58:48] and you have to

[00:58:49] find a way

[00:58:49] of rebuilding

[00:58:50] the bridge

[00:58:52] there are parts

[00:58:53] of it that

[00:58:53] reminded me

[00:58:54] of

[00:58:55] what's it called

[00:58:56] the Monkey Kong

[00:58:57] games

[00:58:57] with the barrels

[00:58:58] rolling and stuff

[00:58:58] yeah

[00:58:59] yeah

[00:59:01] so

[00:59:01] when Juliet

[00:59:02] fell

[00:59:03] were you surprised

[00:59:04] when she

[00:59:05] splashed

[00:59:05] into water

[00:59:08] no

[00:59:08] because it

[00:59:08] happens so

[00:59:09] quickly

[00:59:09] you don't

[00:59:10] really have

[00:59:11] time to

[00:59:11] be surprised

[00:59:12] well

[00:59:13] at first

[00:59:13] it's like

[00:59:14] oh my god

[00:59:14] she's falling

[00:59:14] and then

[00:59:15] splash

[00:59:15] and also

[00:59:16] like

[00:59:17] because the

[00:59:17] water

[00:59:17] is like

[00:59:17] invisible

[00:59:18] because

[00:59:18] it's water

[00:59:19] and Rebecca

[00:59:20] Ferguson

[00:59:20] does this

[00:59:20] really

[00:59:21] cool thing

[00:59:22] of where

[00:59:22] she almost

[00:59:23] makes it

[00:59:24] to the other

[00:59:24] side of the

[00:59:24] bridge

[00:59:25] right

[00:59:25] she's

[00:59:25] scrabbling

[00:59:26] to stay

[00:59:26] on the

[00:59:26] bridge

[00:59:27] and there's

[00:59:28] this like

[00:59:28] little scream

[00:59:29] slash like

[00:59:30] exhalation

[00:59:31] of rage

[00:59:33] yeah

[00:59:33] as she

[00:59:34] slides

[00:59:34] backwards

[00:59:35] that communicates

[00:59:36] like so

[00:59:37] much

[00:59:38] just sheer

[00:59:39] frustration

[00:59:40] yeah

[00:59:42] yeah

[00:59:43] by the way

[00:59:44] this

[00:59:45] this

[00:59:45] falling

[00:59:46] while trying

[00:59:47] to

[00:59:47] this whole

[00:59:48] getting across

[00:59:48] the bridge

[00:59:49] sequence

[00:59:49] and falling

[00:59:50] doesn't happen

[00:59:51] in the book

[00:59:51] so

[00:59:51] but I think

[00:59:52] that it is

[00:59:53] it makes

[00:59:53] sense

[00:59:54] as a way

[00:59:54] to establish

[00:59:55] the presence

[00:59:55] of this

[00:59:56] flooding

[00:59:56] yeah

[00:59:59] and of course

[01:00:00] she doesn't

[01:00:00] know how to

[01:00:01] swim

[01:00:01] because why

[01:00:02] would she

[01:00:03] so she has

[01:00:04] to use

[01:00:04] some debris

[01:00:05] as like

[01:00:06] a paddleboard

[01:00:07] to get back

[01:00:08] to the steps

[01:00:09] yeah

[01:00:10] and then when

[01:00:10] she's on the

[01:00:10] steps

[01:00:10] she just

[01:00:11] lets out

[01:00:11] this

[01:00:11] like

[01:00:12] really

[01:00:12] prolonged

[01:00:13] scream

[01:00:14] of pain

[01:00:15] and rage

[01:00:16] and frustration

[01:00:17] well we know

[01:00:18] she's afraid

[01:00:19] of water

[01:00:19] and here we

[01:00:19] go

[01:00:20] that's like

[01:00:20] ultimate

[01:00:21] immersion

[01:00:22] yeah

[01:00:23] and like

[01:00:24] just to get

[01:00:25] just to get

[01:00:26] a little bit

[01:00:27] just to get

[01:00:27] a little bit

[01:00:27] real here

[01:00:28] for a second

[01:00:29] there have

[01:00:30] been times

[01:00:30] there have

[01:00:31] been times

[01:00:32] when I've

[01:00:33] there have

[01:00:34] been times

[01:00:34] when I've

[01:00:34] fallen

[01:00:35] when I've

[01:00:35] fallen

[01:00:35] out the

[01:00:36] wheelchair

[01:00:36] or the

[01:00:37] wheelchair

[01:00:38] has tipped

[01:00:38] over or

[01:00:39] stuff like

[01:00:39] that

[01:00:39] and that

[01:00:41] is exactly

[01:00:43] the sound

[01:00:44] I'm sure

[01:00:44] like everybody

[01:00:45] has these

[01:00:46] experiences

[01:00:46] that is exactly

[01:00:47] the sound

[01:00:48] you make

[01:00:48] it's halfway

[01:00:49] between pain

[01:00:50] and rage

[01:00:51] right

[01:00:51] frustration

[01:00:52] yeah like

[01:00:53] it's not

[01:00:53] it's not

[01:00:54] just physical

[01:00:55] pain

[01:00:55] it's just

[01:00:56] being annoyed

[01:00:57] at this

[01:00:57] situation

[01:00:58] and your

[01:00:59] helplessness

[01:01:00] in it

[01:01:00] yeah

[01:01:01] yeah

[01:01:03] yeah

[01:01:03] yeah

[01:01:05] um

[01:01:05] although I do

[01:01:07] the silver

[01:01:08] lining of

[01:01:09] this falling

[01:01:09] in the water

[01:01:09] thing is

[01:01:10] like if the

[01:01:11] soup bath

[01:01:11] didn't work

[01:01:12] maybe this

[01:01:12] helped

[01:01:13] yeah

[01:01:13] that probably

[01:01:14] would

[01:01:14] yeah

[01:01:15] again her

[01:01:16] arm was

[01:01:16] looking bad

[01:01:19] so

[01:01:20] okay so

[01:01:20] she her

[01:01:21] next plan

[01:01:22] involves

[01:01:22] harvesting

[01:01:23] metal poles

[01:01:24] and fencing

[01:01:25] and plastic

[01:01:25] sheeting from

[01:01:26] the no longer

[01:01:27] new scaffolding

[01:01:27] to build a

[01:01:28] makeshift bridge

[01:01:29] and she

[01:01:30] creates a

[01:01:30] pulley system

[01:01:31] to raise

[01:01:32] the bridge

[01:01:32] and drop

[01:01:32] it into

[01:01:33] place

[01:01:33] to span

[01:01:34] the gap

[01:01:34] but the

[01:01:35] bridge

[01:01:35] which is

[01:01:36] basically

[01:01:36] tied together

[01:01:37] by strips

[01:01:37] of plastic

[01:01:38] falls apart

[01:01:39] when she

[01:01:39] uses it

[01:01:40] and she

[01:01:40] starts to

[01:01:41] fall again

[01:01:41] however

[01:01:42] it got her

[01:01:43] far enough

[01:01:43] and this

[01:01:44] time she's

[01:01:44] able to

[01:01:45] catch herself

[01:01:45] on the

[01:01:46] other edge

[01:01:46] on the

[01:01:47] far side

[01:01:47] of the

[01:01:47] gap

[01:01:47] and pull

[01:01:48] herself

[01:01:48] up

[01:01:49] and also

[01:01:50] say she

[01:01:51] has a

[01:01:51] safety rope

[01:01:52] tied to

[01:01:52] her waist

[01:01:53] i think

[01:01:53] she would

[01:01:54] be an

[01:01:54] excellent

[01:01:55] adventure

[01:01:56] park

[01:01:56] guide

[01:01:56] she

[01:01:57] would

[01:01:57] i've got

[01:01:58] to say

[01:01:58] of all

[01:01:59] the bits

[01:01:59] of macgyvering

[01:02:00] in this

[01:02:01] episode

[01:02:02] that was

[01:02:02] the one

[01:02:03] that when

[01:02:03] she pulled

[01:02:04] into position

[01:02:04] went oh

[01:02:05] that's clever

[01:02:06] i hadn't

[01:02:07] quite worked

[01:02:07] out what

[01:02:08] she was doing

[01:02:08] it's like

[01:02:09] oh with

[01:02:09] the bridge

[01:02:10] yeah that

[01:02:11] makes sense

[01:02:11] that's

[01:02:11] clever

[01:02:12] i think

[01:02:14] my favorite

[01:02:15] piece of

[01:02:16] macgyvering is

[01:02:17] how she

[01:02:17] gets the

[01:02:17] other

[01:02:18] bridge

[01:02:18] into place

[01:02:19] but

[01:02:19] okay we'll

[01:02:20] get to that

[01:02:21] in a minute

[01:02:21] yeah

[01:02:22] so on the

[01:02:23] other side

[01:02:23] she sees

[01:02:24] wires run

[01:02:25] along the

[01:02:25] ceiling of

[01:02:26] a dingy

[01:02:26] but lit

[01:02:27] hall where

[01:02:27] office furniture

[01:02:28] has been

[01:02:29] stacked up as

[01:02:30] blockades

[01:02:30] she's disappointed

[01:02:31] to find that

[01:02:32] the source of

[01:02:33] a persistent

[01:02:33] sound she

[01:02:34] hears is only

[01:02:35] an id badge

[01:02:36] clinking against

[01:02:37] a rotating fan

[01:02:38] she turns it

[01:02:39] off and

[01:02:39] continues to

[01:02:40] explore finding

[01:02:41] the more sound

[01:02:41] bridge the

[01:02:42] sheriff's team

[01:02:43] from the

[01:02:43] opening flashback

[01:02:44] were able to

[01:02:45] make with their

[01:02:45] full set of

[01:02:46] tools because

[01:02:47] yeah when she's

[01:02:47] making that other

[01:02:48] bridge she doesn't

[01:02:49] have like a

[01:02:49] welder or you

[01:02:50] know things like

[01:02:50] that yeah

[01:02:51] um so juliet

[01:02:53] engineers that

[01:02:54] bridge back into

[01:02:55] place using

[01:02:55] barrels and

[01:02:56] sandbags and

[01:02:57] her own body

[01:02:57] weight so the

[01:02:58] bridge spans the

[01:02:59] gap giving her

[01:03:00] an easy way

[01:03:00] easier way to

[01:03:01] cross uh

[01:03:03] and yeah i

[01:03:04] love to how

[01:03:04] first of all

[01:03:05] just like her

[01:03:07] understanding

[01:03:08] of physics

[01:03:09] enough that

[01:03:09] she's like okay

[01:03:10] so i'll put it

[01:03:10] on the barrels

[01:03:11] and we're

[01:03:11] sacrificing these

[01:03:12] barrels that's

[01:03:13] fine they're

[01:03:13] gonna roll off

[01:03:14] uh but we

[01:03:15] need to balance

[01:03:16] this with the

[01:03:17] sandbags and

[01:03:17] then she like

[01:03:18] rides it like

[01:03:19] that looks like

[01:03:19] so much fun

[01:03:20] she like hops

[01:03:21] on and rides

[01:03:22] it yeah

[01:03:23] it did look

[01:03:23] like fun

[01:03:25] by the way did

[01:03:26] you notice okay

[01:03:27] so as she's

[01:03:28] walking through

[01:03:28] the halls the

[01:03:29] first time there's

[01:03:29] writing on the

[01:03:30] walls and i

[01:03:32] really tried to

[01:03:33] read it was

[01:03:33] difficult to read

[01:03:33] but my best

[01:03:34] guess is it

[01:03:35] says like what

[01:03:35] are you doing

[01:03:36] run

[01:03:37] i don't know

[01:03:38] if you noticed

[01:03:38] that no i

[01:03:40] noticed there

[01:03:41] was writing

[01:03:42] and i did try

[01:03:43] to read it

[01:03:44] but it was

[01:03:45] too hard to

[01:03:46] yeah it was

[01:03:46] yeah i

[01:03:47] couldn't i

[01:03:47] couldn't do

[01:03:48] it all

[01:03:49] right if any

[01:03:49] listeners feel

[01:03:50] like they have

[01:03:50] a better idea

[01:03:51] of what was

[01:03:51] written on the

[01:03:52] wall please

[01:03:53] write in and

[01:03:53] let us know

[01:03:56] um and

[01:03:57] yeah so

[01:03:57] juliette she's

[01:03:58] wandering around

[01:03:59] these rooms

[01:04:00] looking at all

[01:04:01] this office

[01:04:01] furniture stacked

[01:04:02] up she

[01:04:04] didn't see the

[01:04:04] flashback that

[01:04:05] we saw

[01:04:06] obviously

[01:04:06] what do

[01:04:07] you think

[01:04:07] she's making

[01:04:08] of the

[01:04:08] situation

[01:04:09] what do

[01:04:09] you think

[01:04:09] she thinks

[01:04:09] happened

[01:04:10] well i

[01:04:11] mean it

[01:04:12] would be

[01:04:12] kind of

[01:04:13] obvious that

[01:04:13] there was

[01:04:14] some kind

[01:04:14] of a fight

[01:04:16] with the

[01:04:16] you know with

[01:04:17] the corpses

[01:04:17] hanging

[01:04:18] with the

[01:04:19] hanging

[01:04:19] corpses

[01:04:20] so i think

[01:04:21] it i think

[01:04:21] it would sort

[01:04:22] of fall into

[01:04:23] place fairly

[01:04:24] quickly that

[01:04:25] there must

[01:04:25] have been

[01:04:25] some kind

[01:04:26] of rebellion

[01:04:26] here

[01:04:28] okay okay

[01:04:30] yeah

[01:04:31] and so

[01:04:32] then we

[01:04:32] get to

[01:04:33] the last

[01:04:33] part of

[01:04:34] the episode

[01:04:34] as she

[01:04:35] crosses back

[01:04:36] over the

[01:04:36] newly restored

[01:04:37] bridge the

[01:04:38] song moon

[01:04:38] river starts

[01:04:40] to play a

[01:04:41] bit

[01:04:43] but this

[01:04:44] but this

[01:04:44] song's coming

[01:04:45] back from

[01:04:45] the area

[01:04:46] she was just

[01:04:46] exploring where

[01:04:47] by the way she

[01:04:48] did come across

[01:04:48] a door she

[01:04:49] couldn't open

[01:04:49] so she

[01:04:50] follows a

[01:04:51] sound to

[01:04:51] a large

[01:04:52] sealed

[01:04:52] circular

[01:04:53] metal

[01:04:53] door and

[01:04:54] a peephole

[01:04:55] slot slides

[01:04:56] open through

[01:04:57] which live

[01:04:58] human eyes are

[01:04:59] looking at her

[01:05:00] this is a

[01:05:01] new character

[01:05:01] played by

[01:05:02] steve zahn

[01:05:02] and he

[01:05:03] says good

[01:05:04] you heard

[01:05:04] the music

[01:05:05] i love

[01:05:05] that song

[01:05:06] so one

[01:05:07] thing uh

[01:05:08] you tried to

[01:05:09] open the

[01:05:10] door um

[01:05:10] i i get it

[01:05:12] you know

[01:05:12] you see a

[01:05:13] closed door

[01:05:14] what's on the

[01:05:15] other side

[01:05:15] you know i

[01:05:16] i understand

[01:05:17] thing is

[01:05:18] you do that

[01:05:19] again and

[01:05:21] i'm gonna

[01:05:21] kill you

[01:05:22] and the

[01:05:23] peephole

[01:05:23] slam shut

[01:05:24] credits

[01:05:25] far

[01:05:27] i love

[01:05:28] the i love

[01:05:28] the way steve

[01:05:29] zahn delivers

[01:05:29] that line

[01:05:30] because there's

[01:05:30] no malice in

[01:05:31] it you know

[01:05:32] there's no hate

[01:05:33] in it there's

[01:05:33] nothing you know

[01:05:34] i understand you

[01:05:35] trying to open

[01:05:35] the door i'm

[01:05:37] glad you know

[01:05:37] i'm glad you

[01:05:38] listened to

[01:05:39] moon river but

[01:05:40] i'm sorry i'm

[01:05:41] just gonna have

[01:05:42] to kill you if

[01:05:42] you try it

[01:05:43] again

[01:05:44] and the thing

[01:05:45] is because

[01:05:47] it's delivered

[01:05:47] without any

[01:05:48] kind of malice

[01:05:49] there is something

[01:05:49] even more

[01:05:50] disconcerting about

[01:05:51] the idea

[01:05:52] right

[01:05:52] that this

[01:05:53] person will

[01:05:53] just kill you

[01:05:54] doesn't want

[01:05:55] to just

[01:05:56] will

[01:05:56] well i wondered

[01:05:58] like did he

[01:05:59] start the song

[01:06:01] to call her

[01:06:01] back so he

[01:06:02] could say that

[01:06:02] to her

[01:06:04] or is

[01:06:05] did was he

[01:06:06] just happened

[01:06:06] to be listening

[01:06:07] to the song

[01:06:08] and she showed

[01:06:08] up because

[01:06:09] he must have

[01:06:10] heard her

[01:06:11] like you know

[01:06:12] shuffling around

[01:06:13] trying to open

[01:06:14] the doors before

[01:06:15] yeah i i i

[01:06:17] mean when i

[01:06:18] watched it i

[01:06:18] just assumed that

[01:06:20] he was playing

[01:06:20] the song but

[01:06:21] now that you

[01:06:21] mention it

[01:06:22] yeah that makes

[01:06:23] sense

[01:06:25] yeah

[01:06:28] so any

[01:06:29] but then again

[01:06:30] why would he

[01:06:30] summon her if

[01:06:31] he didn't want

[01:06:31] her to open

[01:06:32] the door

[01:06:32] to tell her

[01:06:34] or to warn

[01:06:35] her yeah but

[01:06:35] now she knows

[01:06:36] there's a person

[01:06:37] in there she

[01:06:37] probably would have

[01:06:38] just like i

[01:06:39] don't know

[01:06:40] maybe i don't

[01:06:41] know would she

[01:06:42] have gone back

[01:06:43] there if if

[01:06:44] not i maybe

[01:06:45] at some point

[01:06:46] she would have

[01:06:46] heard that he

[01:06:47] was in there

[01:06:48] because he was

[01:06:49] gonna eventually

[01:06:49] listen to music

[01:06:50] or whatever

[01:06:51] yeah also it's

[01:06:53] a good version

[01:06:54] of moon river

[01:06:55] and you know

[01:06:56] the andy

[01:06:57] williams the

[01:06:57] definitive version

[01:06:59] of moon river

[01:06:59] is probably much

[01:07:00] more expensive

[01:07:01] to buy the rights

[01:07:02] from but if

[01:07:03] it's not the

[01:07:03] andy williams

[01:07:04] version of moon

[01:07:05] river then it's

[01:07:06] not the best

[01:07:07] version of moon

[01:07:08] river oh for

[01:07:09] me this is the

[01:07:10] definitive version

[01:07:11] oh really

[01:07:13] okay this is the

[01:07:14] version that i most

[01:07:15] often hear okay

[01:07:17] i'm actually not

[01:07:18] sure who sings this

[01:07:18] version okay

[01:07:21] because every time

[01:07:22] i hear moon river

[01:07:23] i just think of

[01:07:24] that um scene in

[01:07:26] the simpsons in

[01:07:27] that episode where

[01:07:28] they uh where

[01:07:29] they rent the car

[01:07:30] and they go to

[01:07:31] oh i can't remember

[01:07:32] but it's like

[01:07:33] nelson it turns out

[01:07:35] nelson months is

[01:07:36] the world's biggest

[01:07:36] andy williams

[01:07:37] yeah wait so

[01:07:39] this is the audrey

[01:07:40] heppard version

[01:07:41] oh really

[01:07:42] from breakfast

[01:07:42] at tiffany's

[01:07:43] oh really

[01:07:44] yeah

[01:07:45] okay

[01:07:47] i think i do

[01:07:49] still prefer the

[01:07:49] andy williams

[01:07:50] okay i don't even

[01:07:51] know if i know

[01:07:52] that andy i'm

[01:07:54] opening this to

[01:07:54] listen to afterwards

[01:07:55] i'm not familiar

[01:07:56] okay

[01:07:56] um so

[01:07:58] about solo

[01:08:00] one interesting

[01:08:01] thing they seem

[01:08:02] to have added

[01:08:03] for the show

[01:08:03] is that he has

[01:08:04] polychromatic eyes

[01:08:06] you know he has

[01:08:06] two different

[01:08:07] colored eyes

[01:08:07] and you can

[01:08:08] tell you know

[01:08:09] i'm used to

[01:08:10] wearing contacts

[01:08:12] for cosplay

[01:08:13] so i can see

[01:08:14] he's wearing

[01:08:14] contacts

[01:08:15] so not you

[01:08:17] know not that

[01:08:17] i've ever noticed

[01:08:18] steve's on having

[01:08:19] polychromatic eyes

[01:08:20] before but it's

[01:08:20] interesting why

[01:08:21] why did they

[01:08:22] add that

[01:08:23] so i'm wondering

[01:08:24] if that's maybe

[01:08:25] so we can clock

[01:08:26] this character

[01:08:27] at another point

[01:08:29] when they do a

[01:08:29] flashback

[01:08:30] yeah possibly

[01:08:32] possibly but i've

[01:08:34] got but i've got

[01:08:34] to ask scene as

[01:08:35] you bring it up

[01:08:36] what do you

[01:08:37] cause what do

[01:08:37] you cosplay as

[01:08:38] oh i mean all

[01:08:40] kinds of things

[01:08:41] like uh i love

[01:08:44] like you know

[01:08:45] halloween dress up

[01:08:46] like demons or

[01:08:48] possessed baby

[01:08:49] dolls or something

[01:08:50] or uh for

[01:08:52] fantasy fairs

[01:08:53] you know like

[01:08:54] uh various

[01:08:56] things like a

[01:08:56] fairy or a

[01:08:57] character from a

[01:08:58] show or something

[01:09:00] you know

[01:09:00] character from a

[01:09:01] book i love

[01:09:02] cool

[01:09:04] um one other

[01:09:05] thing well okay

[01:09:06] sorry two other

[01:09:07] things i wanted to

[01:09:07] point out right

[01:09:08] outside the door

[01:09:10] that solo is

[01:09:11] behind uh because

[01:09:12] i feel like we're

[01:09:13] gonna get stories

[01:09:14] about these later

[01:09:15] one is that

[01:09:16] there's two bodies

[01:09:16] the camera shows

[01:09:18] uh you know

[01:09:19] swerves to look

[01:09:20] at two bodies

[01:09:20] that are curled

[01:09:21] up on the ground

[01:09:22] together outside

[01:09:22] the floor there

[01:09:23] where they seem

[01:09:24] to have died

[01:09:25] so i'm wondering

[01:09:26] if we're gonna

[01:09:27] get a backstory

[01:09:27] about how those

[01:09:28] two bodies got

[01:09:29] there and if

[01:09:29] that is you

[01:09:30] know sort

[01:09:31] of the warning

[01:09:31] from you know

[01:09:33] solo's like if

[01:09:33] you try it again

[01:09:34] i'm gonna kill

[01:09:35] you maybe that

[01:09:36] happened um and

[01:09:38] also we get a

[01:09:39] shot through a

[01:09:41] blink an alcove

[01:09:43] full of blinking

[01:09:44] electronics so it's

[01:09:47] not clear what kind

[01:09:48] of electronics but

[01:09:49] yeah there's a

[01:09:51] clear the camera

[01:09:52] shows us you

[01:09:53] know shows right

[01:09:54] through this

[01:09:55] alcove that has a

[01:09:57] bunch of blinking

[01:09:57] electronics in it so

[01:09:58] that's got to be

[01:09:59] important i thought

[01:10:00] i thought that

[01:10:02] was that was the

[01:10:03] silo 17 version

[01:10:04] of you know

[01:10:07] bernard's panopticon

[01:10:09] in silo 18 you

[01:10:12] know the the room

[01:10:14] we see at the end

[01:10:15] of season one where

[01:10:17] they've got the

[01:10:18] people viewing all

[01:10:19] the cameras you

[01:10:21] mean the silo

[01:10:22] the the where the

[01:10:24] janitor's closet is

[01:10:25] yeah well first of

[01:10:27] all well i don't

[01:10:28] know if that's the

[01:10:29] same floor but

[01:10:30] that's that was that

[01:10:31] looked very different

[01:10:32] like this is just

[01:10:33] like an alcove and

[01:10:34] that was a full room

[01:10:35] yeah so this could

[01:10:37] be the equipment

[01:10:38] connected to that but

[01:10:39] that i think that

[01:10:40] might be a different

[01:10:41] floor i don't know

[01:10:42] okay things might be

[01:10:44] on different floors in

[01:10:45] this than they are in

[01:10:45] the book so actually

[01:10:47] that is a question

[01:10:48] that abby and i have

[01:10:49] like how is this

[01:10:50] whole janitor's closet

[01:10:51] going to play into

[01:10:52] the story that we're

[01:10:53] going to get 17 but

[01:10:54] anyway we'll see

[01:10:55] okay so yeah if

[01:10:58] you luke had done

[01:11:00] all that shit that

[01:11:02] juliet did this episode

[01:11:03] to get to this door

[01:11:05] and you find a

[01:11:07] person in a silo in

[01:11:09] which you thought

[01:11:09] there was none but

[01:11:11] he issues this threat

[01:11:13] in this tone what

[01:11:15] would you do next

[01:11:16] well i certainly

[01:11:17] wouldn't try and

[01:11:17] open the door again

[01:11:20] but i just i the

[01:11:22] first question that

[01:11:23] springs to mind is

[01:11:24] why would you kill

[01:11:25] me if i tried to

[01:11:26] open the door and

[01:11:27] i think solo would

[01:11:28] answer it because

[01:11:29] he's not like i

[01:11:31] can say he's not

[01:11:31] being antagonistic

[01:11:32] and actually it

[01:11:34] seems to me that

[01:11:35] he'd quite like to

[01:11:36] have a conversation

[01:11:38] um with juliet so

[01:11:39] my first question is

[01:11:40] okay i'm not going

[01:11:42] to try and open the

[01:11:43] door but why will

[01:11:45] you kill me if i do

[01:11:46] try and open the

[01:11:47] door yeah

[01:11:48] yeah so where

[01:11:50] do you think at

[01:11:51] this point and

[01:11:52] i'm gonna we're

[01:11:52] gonna track as the

[01:11:53] season goes on

[01:11:54] what you think

[01:11:55] where do you

[01:11:55] think solo falls on

[01:11:57] the juliet to

[01:11:58] simsnard scale

[01:12:00] well it's got to

[01:12:01] be close to the

[01:12:02] sims got to be

[01:12:03] close to the

[01:12:04] simsnard end of

[01:12:04] the scale i mean

[01:12:05] he did just

[01:12:06] threaten to murder

[01:12:07] um a person he's

[01:12:09] only just met it

[01:12:10] might have been

[01:12:11] without malice but

[01:12:12] he did just

[01:12:13] threaten to kill

[01:12:13] somebody who

[01:12:14] knows what reasons

[01:12:15] he has yeah so

[01:12:18] i would say he's

[01:12:19] not full-blown

[01:12:20] simsnard but he

[01:12:21] certainly sort of

[01:12:24] if a sim if

[01:12:25] simsnard is a 10

[01:12:27] i would say he's a

[01:12:29] seven and a half

[01:12:30] okay okay and

[01:12:31] so question timmy's

[01:12:33] dad from the

[01:12:33] beginning of the

[01:12:34] episode we saw he

[01:12:36] throws a guy off

[01:12:37] of this platform

[01:12:39] right outside where

[01:12:40] juliet is uh which

[01:12:41] you know he said

[01:12:42] it was an accident

[01:12:43] that he threw him

[01:12:44] off but they were

[01:12:44] fighting murderously

[01:12:47] and obviously strung

[01:12:48] some people up where

[01:12:49] does that put timmy's

[01:12:50] dad sheriff timmy's

[01:12:52] dad on uh

[01:12:53] oh i i i need

[01:12:56] more i need more

[01:12:56] information i mean i

[01:12:58] don't like the

[01:12:59] stringing up um

[01:13:01] judicial you know

[01:13:02] the the geneva

[01:13:04] convention the geneva

[01:13:05] convention should

[01:13:06] apply i'm sure

[01:13:08] they all posted all

[01:13:10] over the silo i'm

[01:13:11] sure yeah exactly so

[01:13:13] yeah they they the

[01:13:14] p they should have

[01:13:15] got pow status um

[01:13:17] as for throwing the

[01:13:19] guy off the balcony

[01:13:20] you're in the middle

[01:13:21] of a fight for your

[01:13:22] life i can't really

[01:13:23] blame you too much

[01:13:25] for that i'm gonna go

[01:13:27] with i'm gonna go

[01:13:27] with a six so like

[01:13:30] yeah juliet is a one

[01:13:32] simsnard is a ten

[01:13:34] this is a six okay

[01:13:36] okay all right any

[01:13:39] other thoughts on this

[01:13:40] episode no i'm really

[01:13:42] looking forward to

[01:13:43] getting back to silo

[01:13:44] 18 though yeah so

[01:13:46] as you said we know

[01:13:46] from comic-con that

[01:13:48] next week is going to

[01:13:49] be focused on 18 it

[01:13:51] sounds like and then

[01:13:52] it sounds like after

[01:13:53] that they're gonna be

[01:13:54] you know switching back

[01:13:55] forth within the

[01:13:56] episodes yeah

[01:13:56] between the two

[01:13:57] i think this was a

[01:13:59] this was a good way

[01:14:00] of sort of setting up

[01:14:02] um setting up season

[01:14:03] one but it's

[01:14:05] sorry season two

[01:14:06] i think it's strange

[01:14:08] though for all that i

[01:14:10] like rebecca ferguson's

[01:14:12] performance i don't find

[01:14:14] juliet the most compelling

[01:14:16] character in the show

[01:14:17] even though she is the

[01:14:19] main character in the show

[01:14:21] i'm much more invested in

[01:14:25] what happens to sims and

[01:14:27] bernard and billings

[01:14:28] yeah um and yeah and

[01:14:32] martha i don't know what

[01:14:34] it is about juliet's

[01:14:35] character because i i

[01:14:36] like i said i think it's

[01:14:37] a very good performance

[01:14:38] from rebecca ferguson

[01:14:40] but i don't find her the

[01:14:42] most compelling character

[01:14:43] in the show

[01:14:44] maybe it's what you said

[01:14:46] about the plot armor

[01:14:47] that you're just not like

[01:14:49] you're not worried

[01:14:50] because i did actually

[01:14:51] for this episode i like

[01:14:53] i said it is a lot like

[01:14:54] the book and i find that

[01:14:56] sequence in the book

[01:14:56] breathtaking even on

[01:14:58] rereads but in this show

[01:15:00] i mean in the book i know

[01:15:01] she's not going to die

[01:15:02] either especially because

[01:15:03] i've already freaking

[01:15:04] read the book you know

[01:15:05] so i know she makes it

[01:15:07] through this whole

[01:15:07] sequence of events and

[01:15:08] and you know encounter

[01:15:10] solo um which by the

[01:15:12] way i in our comic-con

[01:15:15] breakdown episode i read

[01:15:16] a passage about where

[01:15:18] she first meets solo the

[01:15:19] the book version of of

[01:15:20] what we see here because

[01:15:21] that was a scene shown at

[01:15:22] comic-con so if you're

[01:15:24] curious about that uh

[01:15:25] that's in that episode

[01:15:26] um yeah but for this when

[01:15:30] i was watching this it was

[01:15:31] like it's cool to show

[01:15:33] how the way her brain

[01:15:35] works and there was

[01:15:38] you know there was

[01:15:39] tension like when she

[01:15:40] almost makes it across

[01:15:41] and falls like even me

[01:15:42] i know she's not gonna

[01:15:44] die in that moment but

[01:15:45] i'm like like oh my god

[01:15:46] what's gonna happen and

[01:15:47] you know and then the

[01:15:48] water splash and like

[01:15:49] oh yeah of course oh

[01:15:50] yeah so that feels like

[01:15:52] another one where they're

[01:15:52] like it seems like

[01:15:54] sometimes they give

[01:15:54] teases and mess with

[01:15:56] with book readers um

[01:15:59] but yeah i i am i'm also

[01:16:01] eager to get back to the

[01:16:03] other silo i am especially

[01:16:05] eager to find out what the

[01:16:06] deal is with lucas what

[01:16:08] storyline do you most hope

[01:16:10] gets picked up next week

[01:16:11] like you're just gonna be

[01:16:13] really you're just gonna i'm

[01:16:15] just gonna be really

[01:16:16] disappointed if we get

[01:16:18] through the entirety of

[01:16:19] episode two and lucas is

[01:16:20] just it's just not

[01:16:22] mentioned i mean i am

[01:16:25] prepared that there's a

[01:16:26] chance of that um i think

[01:16:29] that there's actually a

[01:16:30] strong chance of that i

[01:16:31] can imagine them making

[01:16:32] that like an episode three

[01:16:33] reveal what's what the

[01:16:35] deal is with him you know

[01:16:36] because they're just

[01:16:37] dealing with the general

[01:16:39] aftermath of juliet going

[01:16:41] over the hill in silo

[01:16:42] 18 yeah i think this could

[01:16:43] be a very sims bernard

[01:16:46] centric episode right yeah

[01:16:48] we gotta check in with

[01:16:49] billings too yeah

[01:16:51] actually billings is my

[01:16:54] favorite character in the

[01:16:55] show like by some

[01:16:57] distance so is that the

[01:16:59] storyline you're most

[01:17:00] eager to yeah yeah

[01:17:02] okay yeah okay all right

[01:17:06] well i'm very excited to

[01:17:08] uh watch this and to see

[01:17:10] how the season develops and

[01:17:12] um we're gonna be back

[01:17:13] here every week breaking

[01:17:14] down each episode week by

[01:17:17] week so you can expect

[01:17:18] that to drop these episodes

[01:17:20] will drop the same uh day

[01:17:22] that the um episodes drop

[01:17:24] on apple tv plus and then

[01:17:26] you know we'll we'll let

[01:17:27] you know how it develops

[01:17:28] with uh doing mailbag

[01:17:30] episodes the more mail you

[01:17:31] send the more mailbag

[01:17:33] episodes will do

[01:17:36] luke do you have any more

[01:17:37] thoughts before we uh do

[01:17:40] our closing no let's let's

[01:17:42] let's do our closing and

[01:17:43] social and where people can

[01:17:45] find us and yeah well if you

[01:17:49] enjoyed listening to this

[01:17:51] episode you feel like you

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[01:18:01] small thing but it really

[01:18:02] helps us enormously so it's

[01:18:04] much appreciated um as i

[01:18:06] said we also want to hear

[01:18:06] your thoughts and about the

[01:18:09] show and your theories which

[01:18:11] we will discuss and post to

[01:18:12] the rest of the community in

[01:18:13] our extra mailbag episodes

[01:18:14] which we'll do every few

[01:18:16] episodes depending on how

[01:18:17] much feedback there is the

[01:18:18] email address is will

[01:18:19] shift us podcast at gmail.com

[01:18:22] and you'll find that link in

[01:18:23] the show notes and please

[01:18:25] also join us on discord it's

[01:18:27] a we have a dedicated forum

[01:18:29] for silo with separate chats

[01:18:31] per episode and a book

[01:18:32] spoiler discussion as well and

[01:18:34] luke i even saw you responded

[01:18:36] someone tagged you on discord

[01:18:37] and you responded yeah i'm so

[01:18:39] like new season new me new

[01:18:43] season revolution i am going

[01:18:45] to be more active on the

[01:18:47] discord i promise i was very

[01:18:49] bad at that in season one i am

[01:18:52] gonna i'm gonna self i'm

[01:18:54] self-improvement alicia i'm

[01:18:56] going to be better

[01:18:57] everyone needs to spend more

[01:18:59] time on discord more social

[01:19:01] media oh actually i like the

[01:19:03] dis the lorehounds discord

[01:19:04] because i do spend a lot of

[01:19:06] time there by the way you'll find

[01:19:07] me there and i can get any

[01:19:08] messages to luke as well um but

[01:19:11] i just it's kind of like a safe

[01:19:13] haven from you know the

[01:19:16] toxicity of social media of

[01:19:19] public social media because this

[01:19:20] is like a place of like-minded

[01:19:22] people who are just nerding out

[01:19:24] about shows

[01:19:27] yep no yeah um and by the way if

[01:19:31] you're sending in feedback book

[01:19:33] spoilers are welcome by email or in

[01:19:35] the book spoiler chat of course but

[01:19:37] then that feedback will be

[01:19:38] discussed in the spoiler cast

[01:19:40] episodes which will also be going

[01:19:41] out weekly with a topic linked to

[01:19:44] that week's episode so as i said

[01:19:46] this week's spoiler cast episode

[01:19:47] for subscribers is about the past

[01:19:50] rebellions in silos 17 and 18 which

[01:19:53] are actually explained in full in the

[01:19:55] second book in the series so that's a

[01:19:58] glimpse ahead um yeah it's gonna it's

[01:20:01] gonna be called a tale of two

[01:20:03] rebellions comparing what happened in

[01:20:05] silo 18's past with silo 17's and

[01:20:07] covering mostly material in the

[01:20:09] second silo book shift and supercast

[01:20:12] and patreon subscribers will also

[01:20:14] also have access to breakdowns of the

[01:20:17] silo books and short stories we've

[01:20:19] gotten through them all now and uh plus

[01:20:21] extra interviews with hugh howey with

[01:20:23] full book spoilers and these weekly

[01:20:26] spoiler casts and show guides extra show

[01:20:29] guides um there's also a new season

[01:20:33] pass option which allows you to just

[01:20:35] get the silo part of the book club for

[01:20:39] one-time fee so you can find that all

[01:20:42] these links in the show notes so you

[01:20:43] can check out what exactly is included

[01:20:45] in the different season pass options

[01:20:47] versus uh the full subscribers get all

[01:20:49] of that stuff plus additional episodes

[01:20:52] like extra seasonal specials like the uh

[01:20:55] we just had an episode going out for

[01:20:57] the connected to witchtober which is a

[01:21:00] look at what is a witch with a former

[01:21:03] professor of the history of witchcraft

[01:21:06] um just looking at what what is a witch

[01:21:09] in history what is a what does it mean

[01:21:11] to be a witch today things like that

[01:21:13] and also subscribers get additional

[01:21:16] howey book breakdowns like beacon 23

[01:21:19] and there's going to be more coming up

[01:21:21] soon and uh doom book breakdowns which

[01:21:24] will be coming up after silo in which

[01:21:26] case luke and i are talking through the

[01:21:28] original dune and eventually the second

[01:21:30] one on the public feed but the uh prequel

[01:21:33] books by brian herbert and kevin j

[01:21:36] anderson brian herbert being frank

[01:21:38] herbert's son um i'm going to be

[01:21:40] covering those in the book club so and

[01:21:44] you'll find links in the show notes more

[01:21:46] information about all of that um on the

[01:21:49] other feeds starting right after this

[01:21:51] drops david will be leading weekly

[01:21:53] breakdowns of dune prophecy on the

[01:21:55] lorehounds feed because that starts on

[01:21:57] november 17th so we were going to cover

[01:21:59] it here but we cannot do both at the

[01:22:01] same time it's too much hbo if you want

[01:22:04] to send us screeners for that yeah just

[01:22:07] not because we're doing podcasts but just

[01:22:09] because we're real cool people

[01:22:11] they would be very much appreciated uh

[01:22:14] hbo and disney are the worst for

[01:22:17] sharing screeners fair enough the people

[01:22:20] at apple on the other hand are very

[01:22:21] generous we like apple we like apple

[01:22:24] apple's our friend amazon's pretty good

[01:22:26] too um in that regard so

[01:22:30] sorry i was just recently bitching about

[01:22:33] their marketing

[01:22:34] or lack thereof but anyway so yeah the

[01:22:38] lorehounds feed is the busiest feed on the

[01:22:40] network lots of stuff happening there all

[01:22:42] the time

[01:22:43] um the star wars canon timeline podcast we

[01:22:46] are rolling through the high republic

[01:22:49] again re-rolling through in a flashback

[01:22:51] series um radioactive ramblings is

[01:22:54] currently talking about the red rising

[01:22:56] books in a ramblers rising series

[01:22:58] definitely check out never mind the

[01:23:01] music if you haven't yet it is a short

[01:23:04] and sweet and very deep and informative

[01:23:06] nonetheless uh music and psychology

[01:23:09] podcast so it's the intersection of the

[01:23:12] two definitely recommended and luke uh

[01:23:14] tell them about it can be said so my

[01:23:17] my other podcast is it could be said i do

[01:23:20] that with will cooling and simon alvey

[01:23:23] two of my friends from uni we recorded

[01:23:26] our latest episode um yesterday i'm looking

[01:23:30] at kemi badenox victory in the british

[01:23:32] conservative leadership election doing

[01:23:35] our preview of the american presidential

[01:23:37] election which is exactly the same as

[01:23:40] everybody else's preview we have no earthly

[01:23:42] idea what's about to happen but it will be

[01:23:44] interesting to watch um and what else did we

[01:23:49] talk about and a whole but and a whole bunch

[01:23:51] of other stuff so that's that's out on

[01:23:54] apple podcast it's out on spotify um we

[01:23:58] don't have a regular schedule we just wait

[01:24:01] until there's enough um for the three of us

[01:24:04] want to talk about cogitating inwardly

[01:24:07] digest and you can find me at at luke

[01:24:11] middip on blue sky i am no longer on twitter i

[01:24:16] staged my own rebellion against elon musk

[01:24:20] and i'm not hanging i'm not hanging over

[01:24:23] a banister at the moment so it's all going

[01:24:26] well so far

[01:24:28] yeah i i am still on twitter i'm on blue sky

[01:24:31] and i'm on threads you'll find all those

[01:24:33] links in the show notes any final thoughts

[01:24:36] before we go

[01:24:37] no i think yeah i think you i think i've

[01:24:39] said everything that i wanted to say

[01:24:41] i can squeeze more no oh well we'll be

[01:24:47] back in your ears for next week's episode

[01:24:49] two breakdown even sooner for subscribers

[01:24:52] or season pass holders and until then we

[01:24:55] promise not to kill you for opening any

[01:24:57] doors

[01:24:57] so

[01:24:58] but

[01:24:58] You