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00:26 --> 00:29 [UNKNOWN]: Welcome dear listeners to my Georgia State.
00:29 --> 00:33 [UNKNOWN]: Serve yourself up a plate as I tell you about the end of the world.
00:33 --> 00:34 [UNKNOWN]: Who am I?
00:34 --> 00:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia from the Walshiftest podcast here to talk all things gray goo episode eight of season three of silo and Apple TV.
00:42 --> 00:51 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm really just back from researching where the silo 18 has a marriage counseling service, asking for some friends, some friends, main sims.
00:53 --> 00:55 [UNKNOWN]: So welcome back, Salizans and other friends.
00:56 --> 01:08 [UNKNOWN]: This is our weekly silo season coverage with, again, episode eight of season three, gray goo where, yeah, things are really starting to melt down so to speak.
01:08 --> 01:13 [UNKNOWN]: Before we begin, Luke, what is the full version of our spoiler policy for this podcast?
01:13 --> 01:20 [UNKNOWN]: So the discussion will be spoiler free beyond what's already aired, so full spoilers through Season 3 episode 8.
01:21 --> 01:23 [UNKNOWN]: Alicia has read the books, but I'm keeping it show only.
01:24 --> 01:26 [UNKNOWN]: Alicia can bring up anything from the books.
01:26 --> 01:34 [UNKNOWN]: It's already happened on screen, but to protect my and your show innocence, there'll be no future books spoilers.
01:34 --> 01:42 [UNKNOWN]: Except, we are allowed to discuss the new in-show universe short story, the mystery of the Peds by Robert Sims,
01:43 --> 01:49 [UNKNOWN]: See our separate bonus episode breakdown for that surprise apple book short story from a couple of weeks ago.
01:50 --> 01:55 [UNKNOWN]: and of course, this always leaves lots of room for speculation for me as the book creator too.
01:55 --> 01:59 [UNKNOWN]: So I promise I will only speculate when genuine or otherwise pass.
02:01 --> 02:18 [UNKNOWN]: But if you do want the full book spoiler discussion with deep dives into all the intricacies of the changes and how we expect that to change the story to come, there is a separate book club podcast that I do with a fellow reader Abbey stick around till the end of this episode to learn
02:19 --> 02:34 [UNKNOWN]: but first let's break down season three episode eight gray goo it's continuing the trend this one was 56 minutes long so each episode since like episode three I think has been one minute longer than the last.
02:34 --> 02:36 [UNKNOWN]: So we might just hit an hour.
02:36 --> 02:36 [UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
02:38 --> 02:43 [UNKNOWN]: This one was released Friday, August 21st, 2026 on Apple TV.
02:43 --> 02:45 [UNKNOWN]: It was directed by Amber Tempelmore.
02:46 --> 02:49 [UNKNOWN]: And she's been one of the most constant directors on this show.
02:50 --> 02:55 [UNKNOWN]: In season one, she directed as part of the directing duo, Bert and Bertie.
02:56 --> 03:13 [UNKNOWN]: And they directed season one episodes six and seven, but she also continued on solo directing season two episodes five and eight nine and ten and this season she's directing yet the last three episodes of the season so this and the next two as well
03:14 --> 03:24 [UNKNOWN]: And but the writer of this episode is Jenny the Armit Strun who also was credited for season two episode five, which tempo more also directed.
03:25 --> 03:29 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering that was another solo heavy episode.
03:29 --> 03:30 [UNKNOWN]: Jimmy heavy episode.
03:30 --> 03:33 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering if she's one of the solo specialists in the writing room.
03:34 --> 03:42 [UNKNOWN]: This show is of course based on the series of books by Hugh Howey, who made a cameo in this episode, we'll shout it out when it happened.
03:42 --> 03:46 [UNKNOWN]: And those books are, again, wool, shift, and dust.
03:47 --> 03:52 [UNKNOWN]: But this episode is about a secret machines that are shared in both past and present.
03:53 --> 03:56 [UNKNOWN]: Luke, what did you think about Greygoo overall?
03:56 --> 04:01 [UNKNOWN]: Well, RIP to my A-wins theory, that one scene took bit in the dust.
04:03 --> 04:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, we got, this was under, this is a very exposition, I have the episode, I think some of that exposition worked better than, I know, a bit of exposition, I really liked Patrick Kennedy and so loads odd couple energy in this episode.
04:27 --> 04:43 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think the Sims, the break, or should I say the break down of the Sims marriage gets more interesting by the episode, and I think it's seriously debatable whether their marriage has a rapidly broken down at this point.
04:46 --> 04:59 [UNKNOWN]: Also, love in the shock, saying, like, they're just knocks and surely are rapidly becoming my MVP couple for the entire series.
04:59 --> 05:03 [UNKNOWN]: They may be nudging Holster and now us an out of first place there.
05:04 --> 05:06 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's high praise.
05:07 --> 05:07 [UNKNOWN]: It is indeed.
05:09 --> 05:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, this was a very romantic episode on several fronts.
05:13 --> 05:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm so glad Daniel and Helen finally kiss.
05:16 --> 05:26 [UNKNOWN]: We got some making up it seems between the billings is, um, yeah, obviously the sharks sure locks.
05:26 --> 05:28 [UNKNOWN]: I'm I insist upon calling them.
05:28 --> 05:28 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
05:28 --> 05:28 [UNKNOWN]: So we
05:30 --> 05:38 [UNKNOWN]: We'll just do our own thing with that couple's name, but yeah, obviously they're they're going strong and even yeah The Shirley yet is going strong as well.
05:38 --> 05:56 [UNKNOWN]: Not never man to wave and on everything needs to be Yeah, so it was great for pairings for that I agree it was exposition heavy so it didn't hit the headdy highs for me of episode seven, but I still I'm so happy This exp this particular exposition.
05:56 --> 05:57 [UNKNOWN]: Can I just say?
06:12 --> 06:26 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I just, this is like been a major thing and apparently this, I mean, obviously we're far from all of the reveals being over and I want to emphasize that I will not be going beyond what has been revealed in the show.
06:27 --> 06:38 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, so I won't say anything, yeah, that hasn't been said on screen yet, but just the fact that Nanos play a big role in this story is something specifically that I've been trying to
06:41 --> 06:45 [UNKNOWN]: Especially because apparently there was, I mean obviously book readers know this.
06:45 --> 06:56 [UNKNOWN]: But apparently there was this promotional video that was online, but then immediately taken offline before the season began, that was rather spoilery.
06:57 --> 07:05 [UNKNOWN]: And it seems to have included a quote from this episode where pair stents and says that he made his fortune on nanos.
07:06 --> 07:14 [UNKNOWN]: So because of that promo video that I don't think many people got to see, a lot of people thought like, oh, it's fine to talk about that.
07:14 --> 07:17 [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, no, nobody talks to look about nanos.
07:18 --> 07:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you just let me go away with aliens, you know?
07:21 --> 07:25 [UNKNOWN]: No, but I was protecting you from the spoiler, just yeah.
07:25 --> 07:26 [UNKNOWN]: Whoa, yeah.
07:27 --> 07:35 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we'll go through obviously some of the roles they might have been playing in the story so far, but yeah, I would highlight them.
07:35 --> 07:38 [UNKNOWN]: But it was like me with the heat tape in the first season.
07:38 --> 07:41 [UNKNOWN]: For you're like, I don't know, she keeps talking about this heat tape.
07:42 --> 07:48 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, why is she keep talking about why she's so concerned about how the car was being self-driven?
07:52 --> 07:53 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway.
07:55 --> 08:08 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I, yeah, I just thought in the end, though, I loved that this ended with, I want to be great with you, which is like, uh, as soon as he says that, I think of the song, it gives new meaning to the lyrics.
08:08 --> 08:10 [UNKNOWN]: I'll stop the world and melt with you.
08:10 --> 08:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
08:12 --> 08:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
08:13 --> 08:14 [UNKNOWN]: So anyway,
08:16 --> 08:27 [UNKNOWN]: any other opening thoughts before we get into another let's go blow up our plot all right your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three two one
08:29 --> 08:39 [UNKNOWN]: So as Luke said, is usual taught by Plot, one location slash timeline at a time, starting with the before times, then we'll talk silo 17, and then we'll wrap up with silo 18.
08:39 --> 08:43 [UNKNOWN]: So in the before times, construction in progress.
08:44 --> 08:58 [UNKNOWN]: In 2024, Georgia, the before times League arrives at the silo project construction sites where the first silo is being dug with a prototype of the drill designed by Congressman Daniel Keane, Ashley Zuckerman, in his Army Corps,
09:01 --> 09:07 [UNKNOWN]: The team is taken to a country home with a greenhouse dining room where they are debriefed over a meal.
09:08 --> 09:17 [UNKNOWN]: The plan is to dig 50 of the silos to hold quote-unquote seeds of humanity to survive in apocalypse that screw believes is coming.
09:17 --> 09:25 [UNKNOWN]: The cause of this impending apocalypse, nanotechnology, the source of the majority of pair stents in Colin Hanks.
09:25 --> 09:25 [UNKNOWN]: Well,
09:26 --> 09:31 [UNKNOWN]: a technology that's becoming increasingly affordable that could turn people into gray goo.
09:32 --> 09:44 [UNKNOWN]: Matters have escalated now that Iran has developed their own nanoprogram and the alleged dirty bomb that went off in DC was actually a device to knock out all AI and nanotech in the area.
09:45 --> 09:50 [UNKNOWN]: And it was the beginning of a secret war between Iran and the U.S. Navy pilot Charlotte
09:55 --> 10:03 [UNKNOWN]: Senator Rosalind Thurman, Laura and his tells her that her mission helped to take out a secret nanophocility in the mountains of Iran.
10:03 --> 10:12 [UNKNOWN]: Paraclarify that her squadron didn't reach their destination because they were intercepted by a cloud of Iranian nanos that took over their planes.
10:13 --> 10:16 [UNKNOWN]: Anna Thurman, Marvin Christie, explains that there was a backup.
10:17 --> 10:26 [UNKNOWN]: The Army Corps of Engineers had spent the last two years digging a 75-mile tunnel presumably using Daniel's drill across the border to right below the facility.
10:27 --> 10:33 [UNKNOWN]: When Charlotte Squad was attacked, they blew up the facility from that tunnel with a low yield nuclear weapon.
10:33 --> 10:46 [UNKNOWN]: But journalist Helen Drew, Jessica Henwick, calls this alleged backup bullshit and accuses the others of intentionally using Charlotte Squadron to provoke a response so that they could see Iran's Nanos in action.
10:47 --> 10:50 [UNKNOWN]: Charlotte hearing this grows upset and runs out.
10:52 --> 10:56 [UNKNOWN]: So what did you think when you heard about these Nanos?
11:02 --> 11:03 [UNKNOWN]: slightly.
11:04 --> 11:14 [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not questioning it from the point of view of the feasibility of the technology, because it's fiction, at the end of the, you know, side of the fiction.
11:14 --> 11:22 [UNKNOWN]: The end of the day, although the possibility of developing and not knowing what happened is something that's probably measured in decades.
11:23 --> 11:29 [UNKNOWN]: It's not my area of specialty, but from what I understand, it's a long way off.
11:30 --> 11:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'll say in the books, um, this is set of a couple more decades in the future.
11:38 --> 11:49 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but the whole point of having it on that weapon is that you could release it unobtrusively, you could release it without anybody knowing that you've done it.
11:51 --> 11:51 [UNKNOWN]: a show.
11:52 --> 12:01 [UNKNOWN]: What would be the point of developing a nano weapon and then putting it inside of what the fuck crowd or decimating it in the bomb?
12:02 --> 12:04 [UNKNOWN]: No, but it's not inside the cloud.
12:04 --> 12:07 [UNKNOWN]: It is like that was a clump of nano's as the cloud.
12:08 --> 12:10 [UNKNOWN]: That's why it was floaty, not Cody.
12:14 --> 12:15 [UNKNOWN]: It was a little nanos flying.
12:16 --> 12:24 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but again, if you're going to develop an online weapon, the whole point is it's very, very, very, very micro-scopically small.
12:25 --> 12:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that is the thing with the, I mean, I'll say, it is a thing, again, and pair does at one point refer to them as invisible.
12:34 --> 12:41 [UNKNOWN]: And you know, I was saying, like, I think the nanos could have flown into their car while they were already driving it, and they wouldn't have seen it.
12:42 --> 12:44 [UNKNOWN]: And you know, that's emphasize that they're invisible.
12:44 --> 12:45 [UNKNOWN]: But it does come down to you.
12:45 --> 12:47 [UNKNOWN]: You need a way to visualize this stuff on TV.
12:51 --> 13:07 [UNKNOWN]: that in the book there is a throwaway line that says something about how Iran's nanoprogram is cruder as in this would explain why their nanos are not as microscopic, you know, they're more visible.
13:08 --> 13:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
13:10 --> 13:18 [UNKNOWN]: I'm okay, but I'm not sure where the pair stands and is telling us the
13:21 --> 13:21 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah.
13:22 --> 13:22 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sure.
13:22 --> 13:23 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, certainly not.
13:23 --> 13:25 [UNKNOWN]: I would say no, certainly not.
13:25 --> 13:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's safe to say.
13:26 --> 13:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, I was just I was just like a bit questioning about the why would you have an invisible weapon that's actually very, very, very, very visible because TV because TV people need to see it.
13:45 --> 14:00 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I wish desperately cleaning on to my aliens, I thought they were there, um, also that house, stunning, I want them to be house, great location, just gouging, I'll say there was something and
14:00 --> 14:07 [UNKNOWN]: I went down a little, some of my little research side paths lead nowhere, but I was like, there's a lot of red moss in that roof.
14:07 --> 14:07 [UNKNOWN]: Is that a thing?
14:08 --> 14:10 [UNKNOWN]: And all I found is that it doesn't look pretty.
14:10 --> 14:15 [UNKNOWN]: It goes well with the coloring of it, but that is bad for your infrastructure of the house.
14:16 --> 14:18 [UNKNOWN]: And I would think the pair could afford to get a cleaned off.
14:19 --> 14:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I suppose it's actually, what's your face this year?
14:23 --> 14:24 [UNKNOWN]: Um, 2017.
14:25 --> 14:25 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
14:26 --> 14:26 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
14:27 --> 14:34 [UNKNOWN]: Um, although I do have to knock points off this scene, because it did indulge in one of my least favorite TV tropes.
14:35 --> 14:35 [UNKNOWN]: What?
14:36 --> 14:45 [UNKNOWN]: Which I understand why they do it, because it's more convenient, but it always annoys me when you have several characters sitting around with table, allegedly eating a meal and no one eats.
14:47 --> 15:11 [UNKNOWN]: oh right yeah like no one is talking with you know everybody is ready to talk no one has got them out for any point during this alleged meal I've heard from um actors who do decide to eat during the meal that they often regret it by the end because after all the takes and then it's it's also a thing for continuity that there would be people that they have to like
15:15 --> 15:19 [UNKNOWN]: No, I completely understand from a continuity point of view in an actress point of view.
15:19 --> 15:29 [UNKNOWN]: But like, yeah, I think it might have, I think it might have been my friend Steve once pointed this out to me, and ever since then, I've never been able to not see it.
15:31 --> 15:35 [UNKNOWN]: And it's not a big thing, but it's just one of my absolutely peeps.
15:35 --> 15:36 [UNKNOWN]: You tell them what you're doing.
15:37 --> 15:41 [UNKNOWN]: If you're doing a scene that hasn't yet in it, someone should be eating.
15:42 --> 15:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, okay, that's fair.
15:43 --> 15:44 [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
15:44 --> 15:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so since anyone who didn't listen to our male bag or last male bag, uh, the stolen male bag full of light bulbs, do you want to tell people why I said that it's 2024?
15:57 --> 15:58 [UNKNOWN]: Why we're suddenly using that year?
15:59 --> 16:01 [UNKNOWN]: No, you bet you better tell, so I can't pardon them.
16:02 --> 16:12 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, no, you know, it was basically that someone spotted this, we talked about this more in the moment when I get episode of your curious, but someone spotted this on the screen of in Hacker Steve's place, basically.
16:14 --> 16:19 [UNKNOWN]: So we know that it's late 2024, presumably.
16:19 --> 16:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
16:20 --> 16:20 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
16:21 --> 16:26 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about Daniel seeing his drill in action?
16:27 --> 16:31 [UNKNOWN]: That was really cool and like you've put in the the show notes.
16:31 --> 16:38 [UNKNOWN]: It really just gave you a sense of the scale of everything when you've got people walking around it.
16:38 --> 16:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I didn't just so yeah, it's incredibly big.
16:46 --> 16:54 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that I thought there was a moment where Daniel's staring up at this thing and it's just the hint of I made that.
16:56 --> 16:57 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
16:57 --> 16:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
16:59 --> 16:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
16:59 --> 17:03 [UNKNOWN]: So I'll say there is a book difference I've been reluctant to say, but I think it's safe now.
17:03 --> 17:07 [UNKNOWN]: Minor difference rather than being an engineer, Daniel in the books is an architect.
17:08 --> 17:13 [UNKNOWN]: So he gets pulled into the project to design what he thinks is one silo.
17:14 --> 17:14 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
17:15 --> 17:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it was nice to see him here, you know, see him in engineering mode when he tells pair that it's cheaper to make 50 drills and just leave them at the bottom of the silos rather than paying to pull them back out and reuse them and he drops an engineer joke that I have heard before.
17:36 --> 17:39 [UNKNOWN]: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
17:40 --> 17:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's the grass out for a little half empty.
17:43 --> 17:45 [UNKNOWN]: No, the grass is twice as big as it needs.
17:45 --> 17:49 [UNKNOWN]: That's not efficient.
17:49 --> 17:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I love to the location too.
17:52 --> 17:54 [UNKNOWN]: As you said, I love to that greenhouse dining area.
17:54 --> 17:56 [UNKNOWN]: I was thinking this is very northern European.
17:56 --> 18:02 [UNKNOWN]: And then I was singing, oh, if it's owned by someone named Paris Stenson, who that's very northern European name is.
18:02 --> 18:04 [UNKNOWN]: But no, I think it's Thurman's house, I guess.
18:04 --> 18:06 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's Thurman's house here.
18:07 --> 18:12 [UNKNOWN]: other Rosalind Thurman and that I think she's also has another European background.
18:12 --> 18:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
18:13 --> 18:15 [UNKNOWN]: But it was a lovely setting.
18:15 --> 18:20 [UNKNOWN]: They've been finding like because also, you know, the silo needs to be so samey.
18:22 --> 18:23 [UNKNOWN]: It's just by definition like that.
18:23 --> 18:31 [UNKNOWN]: It's nice that with the DC storyline, they've been able to find some really distinctive picture-esque locations for those scenes.
18:31 --> 18:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and do you think the set design is what like, oh thank God.
18:36 --> 18:37 [UNKNOWN]: we can do something else.
18:38 --> 18:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, then they have to hire new locations, scouts, rather than just filming everything on a set.
18:42 --> 18:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
18:46 --> 18:51 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, let's talk about this seeds aspect that we heard about.
18:51 --> 18:57 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to explain what did we learn about the seeds so far?
18:57 --> 19:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I know you also wanted to talk about that small-bar
19:04 --> 19:09 [UNKNOWN]: Pairs, pestants and believes that the world is going to come to an end.
19:09 --> 19:12 [UNKNOWN]: And actually, you doesn't say specifically, it's going to be not allowed to take.
19:12 --> 19:16 [UNKNOWN]: It says it could be a number of things, including things we hadn't thought of.
19:16 --> 19:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's pretty sort of singles out, no no tech is being the most likely.
19:20 --> 19:41 [UNKNOWN]: So the purpose of the side-low project is to preserve, not just humanity, but like we've seen in the vaults, the best of humanity's art architecture, culture, science, and Helen brings up the small barred sea vault.
19:42 --> 19:52 [UNKNOWN]: Now, I just wanted to talk about this because this is not something that is invented to the show, the Svalbard seat vault actually exists and it's really cool.
19:52 --> 20:03 [UNKNOWN]: So Svalbard is a little island in the Norwegian Arctic and Svalbard because of the geography
20:09 --> 20:22 [UNKNOWN]: Basically, there is a project to store as many of the world's seeds and to create a sort of biological preserve that will stop various types of plants.
20:23 --> 20:24 [UNKNOWN]: going extinct.
20:25 --> 20:41 [UNKNOWN]: And like I said, the reason why spiral barred is you meet play well suited for this is because it's extremely cold, you can basically store the wall in caves without having to use a lot of electricity, a lot of space for artificial refrigeration.
20:42 --> 20:57 [UNKNOWN]: So, um, I think at least she's going to put the website for the small small board seed vault in uh, in the show notes and the show notes, but yeah, that is a real thing, it exists and it's a very cool project.
20:58 --> 21:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so basically when Anna says, and I just noted that Anna shot a look at pair before she said seeds with a little smile.
21:11 --> 21:15 [UNKNOWN]: Very shady, Anna, but she does, they do clarify it.
21:15 --> 21:17 [UNKNOWN]: And so, Helen's like, what?
21:17 --> 21:23 [UNKNOWN]: Like, there's like seeds, like this small-barred seed vault, like 50 silos, that's a hell of a lot of seeds.
21:25 --> 21:31 [UNKNOWN]: And and pairs like, well, we're also going to store the best of the world's art literature and silent science.
21:31 --> 21:40 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, we've seen that in the various vaults, um, and you want at least one of the vaults.
21:40 --> 21:43 [UNKNOWN]: We actually haven't seen inside silo 18's vault.
21:43 --> 21:43 [UNKNOWN]: Have we?
21:44 --> 21:44 [UNKNOWN]: No, we haven't.
21:45 --> 21:45 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we know we did.
21:45 --> 21:48 [UNKNOWN]: We did, we did, we when Lucas was getting trained.
21:48 --> 21:49 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yes, thank you.
21:50 --> 21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Cool.
21:50 --> 21:50 [UNKNOWN]: It's we did.
21:50 --> 21:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:51 --> 21:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
21:52 --> 21:56 [UNKNOWN]: A little less chaotic than Jimmy's, but he's had a few decades to mess that about.
21:56 --> 22:11 [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, so yeah, we've seen they do have that, but obviously, yeah, the biggest thing is that they are for a different kind of seed, Senator Thurman says, people to repopulate the earth in the case of,
22:12 --> 22:13 [UNKNOWN]: and apocalypse.
22:14 --> 22:28 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, people were talking about how do people not know about this project going on and just finding it unbelievable that it would be kept secret and this is why people need to keep watching.
22:28 --> 22:32 [UNKNOWN]: I was biting my tongue because I'd already watched this episode and I knew it answered the question.
22:33 --> 22:53 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so it is a no-fly zone for now and it will be, um, blurred out in satellite photos, but they do not only expect news of it to leak, they plan in a couple years at least to leak the news itself, but to put the propaganda spin on it, that it is Stenson's
23:02 --> 23:28 [UNKNOWN]: so yeah they they say they don't they want to slow it getting out because they're afraid it will trigger an enemy to enact an attack sooner but um and then they just want to paint it as some billionaire trillionaire as it turns out doing trillionaire stuff um i mean yeah it kind of it kind of makes sense i suppose um
23:31 --> 23:38 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it would be very easy to dismiss it as the folly of somebody with too much money.
23:40 --> 23:51 [UNKNOWN]: That being said, though, I think you could also more, I just just plausibly explain it as what people have been speculating it actually is.
23:51 --> 23:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's some kind of like social experiment.
23:53 --> 23:59 [UNKNOWN]: The one that I was thinking of is, to simulate the experience of going to Mars,
24:00 --> 24:03 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, did they could explain it like that?
24:03 --> 24:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
24:04 --> 24:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
24:04 --> 24:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
24:06 --> 24:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
24:08 --> 24:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
24:08 --> 24:21 [UNKNOWN]: And of course, Thurmond said at the Senator says, our most fervent prayer is that this really is dense and folly, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, which was the motto of my overpackers anonymous club that my bestie and I had growing up.
24:22 --> 24:23 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
24:24 --> 24:35 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the explanation that pair says they intentionally scared Daniel and Helen by carnapping them to put them in a survival frame of mine before telling them about all this?
24:35 --> 24:41 [UNKNOWN]: I think that says a lot about pair and I know we're going to get into that a bit more in the next section.
24:42 --> 25:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, it was also to get them where they wanted to go as well, so I think this is probably a bit of after the fact rationalization by pair as well, but I think I mean, I think that it fits with what we learn about him in the later conversation too that he is he's someone who.
25:04 --> 25:08 [UNKNOWN]: Paradis has a very like everyone's out to get you way of thinking.
25:08 --> 25:11 [UNKNOWN]: I think what we'll do into that a bit more in the next section.
25:11 --> 25:20 [UNKNOWN]: Um, all right, let's take a quick break here and when we come back, we're going to break down all the nano lore into gray goo.
25:23 --> 25:24 [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to talk about
25:25 --> 25:34 [UNKNOWN]: We find out, well, we'll come back to the nanos in a sec, but we find out that the backup for Charlotte's mission was his backup tunnel with a low-yield nuke.
25:34 --> 25:37 [UNKNOWN]: Would it, that's like, a mini nuke, what's that?
25:37 --> 25:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's exactly what it says it is.
25:40 --> 25:42 [UNKNOWN]: It's a smaller nuclear weapon.
25:43 --> 25:50 [UNKNOWN]: So you'd be looking in the kilitones rather than megitones range destruction, but also
25:55 --> 26:02 [UNKNOWN]: a weapon the yields a lot of explosive force without necessarily yielding a lot of radiation as well.
26:03 --> 26:19 [UNKNOWN]: And there are sort of ways of constructing a nuclear weapon that minimizes the fallout, although if it was detonated underground, there wouldn't be much fallout anyway, so yeah, that doesn't quite track.
26:21 --> 26:22 [UNKNOWN]: pretty really honest.
26:22 --> 26:30 [UNKNOWN]: Well 4L out is when 4L is the dust that is thrown up into the atmosphere blindly clear destination.
26:30 --> 26:37 [UNKNOWN]: So if it's detonated underground or if it's detonated in a confined space, there wouldn't be that 4L anyway.
26:38 --> 26:40 [UNKNOWN]: Right, so that's that's good, right?
26:40 --> 26:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's good, but then why bother using a low yield?
26:46 --> 26:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're saying you could have used a bigger one.
26:48 --> 26:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
26:50 --> 26:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, why be more destructive than you need to be, I guess.
26:53 --> 26:59 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, but if you're talking about destroying another weapon, more is probably more rather than less as more.
27:00 --> 27:00 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
27:00 --> 27:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they don't want to blow up all the mountains.
27:03 --> 27:04 [UNKNOWN]: Why not?
27:05 --> 27:07 [UNKNOWN]: Because we don't want to destroy the earth.
27:07 --> 27:09 [UNKNOWN]: The goal is not destroy the earth.
27:10 --> 27:11 [UNKNOWN]: The goal no destroying.
27:11 --> 27:12 [UNKNOWN]: No destruction.
27:12 --> 27:14 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, but about the nanos.
27:14 --> 27:21 [UNKNOWN]: What is your, like, have you read much fiction about nanos or science about?
27:21 --> 27:21 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, obviously,
27:22 --> 27:41 [UNKNOWN]: You can't wash a lot of science fiction without being exposed to nanotechnology, but no, it's not something I've read I've seen it, it's not something I've read up on and I want to be clear I don't know what the feasibility of a nanoweapon is To be honest though, that way I like to say I would think it would be decades away rather than years.
27:42 --> 27:48 [UNKNOWN]: I don't so I would I would certainly argue with pairs contention that it would be cheaper than a nuclear weapon
27:50 --> 27:52 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I would love to hear people weigh in.
27:52 --> 28:17 [UNKNOWN]: I do think it's much further along than you would like to think I'll say my starter pack for learning about nanos was definitely through fiction first was Michael Crichton's book Prey, which came out in 2002 so I'm pretty sure that's I read it quickly after it came out and that is where yeah, nanobots are the enemy and sorry spoiler for this.
28:17 --> 28:29 [UNKNOWN]: you know, almost 25-year-old book, but yeah, they basically, they are people are using them to like enhance themselves, but they're also like eating away at the people that they're anyway.
28:30 --> 28:40 [UNKNOWN]: So that was the first time I learned about nanos, and then when I found out that that was one of the first big twists in the silo series, which came out a decade after that,
28:41 --> 28:55 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, then I was that was like really blew my mind at the time, especially, um, I do think it's become more popular, as you say, in fiction, but I would say especially built on the back of prey in sight, though.
28:55 --> 29:00 [UNKNOWN]: I think that they are really, um, pioneers in the nano sci-fi space.
29:00 --> 29:04 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so, but you didn't guess them as one of the options.
29:04 --> 29:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, I guess, no, I didn't.
29:06 --> 29:11 [UNKNOWN]: I guess it's still not, you know, it's not like a, that obvious or a trope or anything.
29:11 --> 29:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, I mean, I wonder what kind of Nanos, Charlotte and countered in the what the fuck cloud, like, they took control of their plane.
29:22 --> 29:23 [UNKNOWN]: Could they do anything else?
29:23 --> 29:28 [UNKNOWN]: Could they, um, what's your understanding of what pair stents him was talking about with the gray goo?
29:29 --> 29:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm assuming that's
29:32 --> 29:39 [UNKNOWN]: It would be that they would be programmed to infect human beings and sort of act almost like a quasi-biological agent.
29:40 --> 29:43 [UNKNOWN]: This is the other problem with nanobotters of weapon.
29:44 --> 29:56 [UNKNOWN]: They would, they would face rather the same issue that you have with biological warfare, which is once you release it out into the wild, there's no way to direct it, there's no way to contain it.
29:56 --> 29:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I would say two things.
29:58 --> 30:14 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder with the progression of technology, since the books were, I wonder what role AI will play in controlling the nanos themselves, but they are definitely programmed for certain things, and this is where I'm treading carefully.
30:15 --> 30:16 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
30:16 --> 30:23 [UNKNOWN]: But I'll say they do they are programmed with some certain levels of specificity, but um, okay.
30:24 --> 30:29 [UNKNOWN]: So, what this reminded me of was the StokesNet incident.
30:30 --> 30:30 [UNKNOWN]: Where does that?
30:30 --> 30:32 [UNKNOWN]: If a million were there, okay.
30:32 --> 30:43 [UNKNOWN]: So, back during the the Norties and 2010s, the CIA and Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency.
30:44 --> 30:50 [UNKNOWN]: were running a series of operations against the Iranian nuclear program.
30:50 --> 30:53 [UNKNOWN]: And this is all in the, this is all well in the public domain.
30:55 --> 31:02 [UNKNOWN]: And one of the things they would, one of the things they did was introduce a virus into the computer code.
31:03 --> 31:08 [UNKNOWN]: that controlled the centrifuges in the Iranian nuclear program.
31:08 --> 31:14 [UNKNOWN]: In other words, what it did was make them spin incredibly fast, so they basically blew themselves up.
31:16 --> 31:20 [UNKNOWN]: And the way this was introduced was,
31:22 --> 31:31 [UNKNOWN]: by slipping thumbdrives to a rainy nuclear scientist with the virus on as well as other things.
31:31 --> 31:39 [UNKNOWN]: And then having them plug the thumbdrives into the laptops and then having them plug the laptops into.
31:41 --> 31:43 [UNKNOWN]: the centrifuge controls.
31:44 --> 31:59 [UNKNOWN]: The problem is that this virus actually got light out into the wild onto the internet because they were also plugging in these thumb drives into the laptop when they were going online.
32:00 --> 32:03 [UNKNOWN]: Now fortunately the virus didn't do anything because it only
32:10 --> 32:26 [UNKNOWN]: But what it did do is get out onto the internet and replicate itself massively, which is why it's been referred to a stuck net because it's just a random line of code that kept popping up everywhere.
32:28 --> 32:32 [UNKNOWN]: So do you think that the nanos in the show could become self-replicating?
32:32 --> 32:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think it, well, I think it could become self-replicating, but I wasn't really the point I was making.
32:37 --> 32:49 [UNKNOWN]: The point I was making is once you introduce a weapon system like this, you don't know where it's going to go, and you don't know, you don't know what it's going.
32:51 --> 33:01 [UNKNOWN]: it will very quickly slip from your control because of the way people want to act with it and people will do stuff with it that you're not expecting.
33:02 --> 33:05 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, if people want to if people want to look that up.
33:06 --> 33:21 [UNKNOWN]: It's referred to, it's referred to as operational Olympic games and it's discussed in the number of books that look at the Obama, look at the Obama presidency.
33:22 --> 33:24 [UNKNOWN]: The best one is a book called
33:35 --> 33:38 [UNKNOWN]: OK, all right.
33:39 --> 33:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, as I said, I won't really comment more on that.
33:42 --> 33:51 [UNKNOWN]: And then I will definitely learn more about the nanos and about a lot of other things, as we keep going, there's still a season and a handful of episodes remaining.
33:53 --> 34:00 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, for the gray goo here, I guess I can say the implication is that they get into yourselves, basically, and break them down from the inside, as you just
34:03 --> 34:06 [UNKNOWN]: We're facing the end of the world, and it cannot be stopped.
34:07 --> 34:14 [UNKNOWN]: And he names the threat we face is nuclear war, climate collapse, viral pandemic, asteroid strike, and these are all feelings of real art.
34:14 --> 34:22 [UNKNOWN]: There's no intelligence, and some we haven't thought of, but the one that is most dangerous is also the reason I'm the richest man in history, nanotechnology.
34:23 --> 34:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, which is like, of course, all these things he says are dangerous are where he is directly busying himself.
34:32 --> 34:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like, we know he is outspoken against AI control, but also one of the head AI dudes, obviously very involved in nanos.
34:43 --> 34:44 [UNKNOWN]: Um, we just could
34:45 --> 34:49 [UNKNOWN]: talks about low grade nuclear weapons, good chance that he has something to do with that as well.
34:50 --> 35:00 [UNKNOWN]: So it's just sort of like the type of guy who's like all these things that scare me, scare me less, if I control them, which I guess is kind of like Charlotte in the last episode.
35:00 --> 35:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, saying she's afraid of flying, unless she's flying herself.
35:05 --> 35:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
35:08 --> 35:19 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he says about nanos, it's, they're scary, not just because they're invisible, but because he says that they are a lot cheaper to build than a nuclear weapon.
35:19 --> 35:24 [UNKNOWN]: I think probably this has to do with, I mean, it's has to do with uranium.
35:24 --> 35:31 [UNKNOWN]: You just need technology that can create something that's small with the parts themselves.
35:32 --> 35:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm sorry that this is a pet peeve of mine and I won't go on about, I won't lay you with a point, but I actually build the integrated weapon is not like complicated.
35:45 --> 35:48 [UNKNOWN]: You're reenium-alone makes it complicated.
35:48 --> 35:54 [UNKNOWN]: Well, it's difficult, it's difficult to obtain, but the actual engineering is not like complicated.
35:55 --> 35:59 [UNKNOWN]: Like if you've got a peer, if you've got a PhD in physics, you will know how to build a nuclear bomb.
36:01 --> 36:04 [UNKNOWN]: But it's not just assembly, you do have to get the parts first, I'm saying.
36:04 --> 36:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so just to go off on a slight tangent.
36:07 --> 36:09 [UNKNOWN]: Have you ever heard of a Qcon?
36:09 --> 36:10 [UNKNOWN]: No.
36:10 --> 36:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, AQCon is the GUIU inventive developed Pakistan's nuclear program.
36:20 --> 36:26 [UNKNOWN]: And he was, he was a physicist, and he was working in West Germany in the 1970s.
36:27 --> 36:43 [UNKNOWN]: And what he did, or what he realized, was that the, all the export controls around uranium and all the engineering equipment, and especially with material, you need to make a nuclear bomb.
36:45 --> 36:49 [UNKNOWN]: What they are looking for is bulk purchases of certainly equipment.
36:51 --> 37:18 [UNKNOWN]: So what you do is you create dozens of dummy companies based all over the world and they all import one or two items and nobody notices that because it's so small and don't know this is a prolonged period of time that it doesn't raise any red flags and all this stuff has other legitimate uses outside of building a nuclear weapon.
37:20 --> 37:24 [UNKNOWN]: But as long as you are patient, this is actually perfect.
37:24 --> 37:41 [UNKNOWN]: We do all of them, and like North Korea, North Korea, North Korea is a very poor country, but it has the capability and determination necessary to be able to make me a bomb.
37:42 --> 37:48 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say that North Korea is also named in the book alongside around the Nano stuff, but anyway, so I keep going.
37:49 --> 37:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so the point I'm trying to make is build the innitly weapon is a matter of time and patience and effort.
37:56 --> 38:06 [UNKNOWN]: It's not particularly, it's actually not for what you get at the end, it's not massively expensive and it's not particularly difficult.
38:09 --> 38:32 [UNKNOWN]: But, okay, Luke, I have to give you some internet points for you have been saying all the long, that this is a sort of plan that needs to be planned in advance, and that's why you, yeah, pair is saying something will happen, and Helen's like, yeah, but are there any imminent threats and pairs like, well, we want to be ready before the threat becomes an imminent.
38:36 --> 38:39 [UNKNOWN]: This will be the last time I did this approach.
38:40 --> 38:45 [UNKNOWN]: It remains me of a quote from the equivalent of a man who is so afraid of murder, he commit suicide.
38:53 --> 38:53 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
38:54 --> 38:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:55 --> 38:58 [UNKNOWN]: Well, definitely get back to that sentiment in the next section too.
38:58 --> 39:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not saying persistence is wrong.
39:02 --> 39:03 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
39:03 --> 39:10 [UNKNOWN]: I am just saying that I'm agreeing with Helen that there are better ways to spend billions of dollars.
39:11 --> 39:11 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
39:12 --> 39:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
39:14 --> 39:15 [UNKNOWN]: Fair.
39:15 --> 39:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll come back and we'll talk all about that
39:22 --> 39:27 [UNKNOWN]: We find out that Iran has started a nanoprogram as we say.
39:28 --> 39:29 [UNKNOWN]: Negotiations aren't working out.
39:29 --> 39:31 [UNKNOWN]: Threats aren't working either.
39:31 --> 39:35 [UNKNOWN]: It's very uncomfortably mirroring the current world.
39:35 --> 39:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've got to say, like, if I'm the, if I'm the right hero, producer on silent, I'm thinking this, this hit, it's a little bit nearer than local when I was intending.
39:46 --> 39:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but of course with the talking about it in the show is potentially even more than this.
39:55 --> 39:58 [UNKNOWN]: And we find out that you were right about this.
39:59 --> 40:05 [UNKNOWN]: I guess we both agreed about this, that the so-called dirty bomb allegedly set up.
40:05 --> 40:26 [UNKNOWN]: in set off in DC that we heard about at the end of season two was not a dirty bomb dirty bombs bullshit it was a device to knock out AI and nano um that was of course what Helen was investigating when she met Daniel in the first place so yeah we you I guess suppose you were not surprised by that?
40:27 --> 40:28 [UNKNOWN]: Not oh not in the least
40:29 --> 40:37 [UNKNOWN]: I was the only part that surprised me is like so the dullest corridor are we saying the D.C. area is the tech center for parat least and not silicon rally.
40:38 --> 40:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah that is interesting on daughter of that.
40:42 --> 40:52 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about the fact that they told the public that it was a dirty bomb because they said people could understand that?
40:52 --> 40:55 [UNKNOWN]: I think I think that kind of makes sense
40:57 --> 41:14 [UNKNOWN]: You do then run the problem that was identified in earlier on in the season and actually all the way back in episode 10 of season 2 of, you know, people being checked for radiation and nobody ever reached during a positive result, then they're never going to.
41:14 --> 41:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, I-
41:18 --> 41:30 [UNKNOWN]: Again, this might be one of the, this might be similar to the gassing of the miners or Bernard's, I don't know, I'd mention with the tape, you're not really thinking it all the way through.
41:31 --> 41:34 [UNKNOWN]: You're solving one problem, but you're creating another.
41:34 --> 41:35 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
41:36 --> 41:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
41:36 --> 41:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
41:38 --> 41:43 [UNKNOWN]: All right, well, yeah, let's set up this section where Helen calls pair out on some more stuff.
41:43 --> 41:56 [UNKNOWN]: Rose Mary memories, Charlotte's doctor, so we left Charlotte had just run out of the room because Helen got confrontational over them using Charlotte as bait for the nanocloud basically.
41:56 --> 42:01 [UNKNOWN]: And so Charlotte's doctor, Victor, Sir and Kivitch, Matt Craven, follows her to help
42:06 --> 42:10 [UNKNOWN]: Victor tells Daniel that now would be a good time to trigger a childhood memory.
42:10 --> 42:17 [UNKNOWN]: With no other artifacts at hand, Daniel shares the smell of Rosemary with his sister, and it brings back a flood of memories.
42:18 --> 42:22 [UNKNOWN]: Charlotte's phase where she insisted they eat Rosemary chicken every Sunday, their mother.
42:23 --> 42:25 [UNKNOWN]: She hugs her brother with tears in her eyes.
42:26 --> 42:34 [UNKNOWN]: The group re-convenes in the greenhouse for more food and apocalypse planning where Charlotte Helen and Daniel are all offered roles on the project.
42:35 --> 42:41 [UNKNOWN]: Charlotte accepts that Helen immediately opts out, looking back and forth between his sister who is looking at Anna.
42:42 --> 42:46 [UNKNOWN]: And the woman he's been going down the rabbit hole with, he chooses Helen.
42:46 --> 42:57 [UNKNOWN]: As she's about to leave by helicopter Daniel joins her telling her he'd rather turn to grey goo with her than stay with the rest of them, and the two kiss as they fly away.
42:58 --> 42:59 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, couple of things.
43:00 --> 43:03 [UNKNOWN]: Charlotte and Anna are definitely knocking boats.
43:03 --> 43:05 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, definitely wants to knock boats.
43:06 --> 43:07 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I'm the question.
43:07 --> 43:11 [UNKNOWN]: We'll walk her to it in the feedback, but the question is how long haven't they been knocking moots?
43:11 --> 43:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
43:13 --> 43:15 [UNKNOWN]: also, is it just me?
43:16 --> 43:32 [UNKNOWN]: Or did you find it really sinister that when Daniel got into the helicopter said the great goobin, when the helicopter is flying away, the camera cuts to Victor and Henry standing in the, I think, standing in front of a barn?
43:33 --> 43:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like the camera lingers on the front of the fence.
43:36 --> 43:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Victor and Victor stays behind to watch as they fly away Yeah, I'm the camera so I don't think it's face for a couple of seconds.
43:45 --> 43:57 [UNKNOWN]: And you know what that made me think Because you know I was thinking that either they were gonna have to go along or they were gonna Yeah killed but there's obviously an option they're gonna get memory drop down there
43:58 --> 44:00 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh interesting.
44:00 --> 44:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's you think that's why Victor was looking after them.
44:02 --> 44:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was wondering what he was thinking is they flew away I was hoping he thought like oh you go live your lives.
44:10 --> 44:17 [UNKNOWN]: You crazy kids Then I'm gonna let them out in the world just wondering about knowing all about this project.
44:17 --> 44:17 [UNKNOWN]: They signed their endies
44:21 --> 44:23 [UNKNOWN]: We got a load of feet back on that father.
44:23 --> 44:30 [UNKNOWN]: We got a load of really interesting feet back on that, by the way, but yeah, now they're not sure the wonder around in the world knowing what they know.
44:31 --> 44:34 [UNKNOWN]: Don't hell and don't drink the water.
44:36 --> 44:53 [UNKNOWN]: um yeah well i'm glad we hear we get confirmation of Henry's name on screen by the way uh Laura and his um senator thermon says henry is at the farm house and he'll take you to a helicopter get you wherever you want to go so like they said Henry's name on screen that's her read Bernie character
44:56 --> 45:07 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, as far as if we jump back to the whole confrontation after Charlotte runs out, I found a lot of really telling things in that scene.
45:07 --> 45:14 [UNKNOWN]: Like first of all, it's one thing for Daniel to give Charlotte a moment with her doctor who, you know, obviously he's her doctor.
45:14 --> 45:20 [UNKNOWN]: He's proven to have the ability to calm her down, but it's very telling that
45:21 --> 45:32 [UNKNOWN]: Anna is the one standing between Daniel and Charlotte as well and he allows it and he hangs back with Helen and he and Helen like exchange like almost a look and a shrug together.
45:33 --> 45:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:34 --> 45:40 [UNKNOWN]: That's it's kind of sad for a brother and sister but he and Helen obviously are home base as I said last time.
45:41 --> 45:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:42 --> 45:46 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the memory via Rosemary reveal?
45:47 --> 45:55 [UNKNOWN]: They're just a brown family, plays that really well, and it's a really sweet and endearing story.
45:56 --> 46:07 [UNKNOWN]: And it does speak to Charlotte's need for order and stroke chat, the idea that this is Sunday, therefore, this meal every Sunday, like a lot of...
46:08 --> 46:14 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and also a desire to fit in because someone told her that that's normal to eat the same thing every Sunday.
46:14 --> 46:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but also if you are going to eat the same thing for every every Sunday or two years, Rosemary Chicken is not a bad shell.
46:22 --> 46:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, that's a good choice, yeah.
46:24 --> 46:27 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's a, it does make her give her like a prime military profile.
46:27 --> 46:34 [UNKNOWN]: And I do wonder if people in the autism spectrum will see parts of themselves and in her in that regard.
46:34 --> 46:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
46:36 --> 46:41 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but it is true and this is something that's emphasized at some point in the books as well.
46:41 --> 46:46 [UNKNOWN]: I almost read that was going to read the quote about this, but it's from a part of the book.
46:46 --> 46:55 [UNKNOWN]: I can't talk about yet, but um, they do talk about there also help, you know, and it's based on real science that smell is one of the most powerful memory triggers.
46:55 --> 47:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's why I keep talking about Julia and the soup and what a reminder of, of solo and blah, blah, blah, but it makes sense that
47:03 --> 47:09 [UNKNOWN]: he would turn to a food item and a strong smell like rosemary to a fast unlock of the memory.
47:10 --> 47:12 [UNKNOWN]: When Victor said you grew up in a farm, right?
47:12 --> 47:16 [UNKNOWN]: I thought Daniel was going to like have her interact with the horses or something.
47:16 --> 47:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would have been, that would have been kind of cool.
47:21 --> 47:22 [UNKNOWN]: But as far as Helen,
47:23 --> 47:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't think Helen needs to apologize to anyone, do you?
47:27 --> 47:28 [UNKNOWN]: What's she out of mind?
47:29 --> 47:33 [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, she was now, she wasn't out of line.
47:33 --> 47:38 [UNKNOWN]: But she could babes white-ed for a moment when Charlotte wasn't around.
47:39 --> 47:42 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, but the point was also for Charlotte to realize this.
47:43 --> 47:47 [UNKNOWN]: I guess, yeah, no, that's a very good point, actually.
47:47 --> 47:51 [UNKNOWN]: No, I would, if I were a Charlotte, I would be grateful to Helen personally, I think.
47:51 --> 47:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's where.
47:55 --> 47:59 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know, yeah, and it's like, what the fuck was that supposed to achieve?
47:59 --> 48:04 [UNKNOWN]: But um, and like, okay, maybe she got a phrase to better, but like I said, I like blunt people.
48:06 --> 48:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know what that reminded me of when Helen was doing the whole thing about, could you, um, could you end homelessness, could you cure outside of this?
48:13 --> 48:14 [UNKNOWN]: Could you cure cancer?
48:15 --> 48:20 [UNKNOWN]: There's that Spider-Man meme of, but with technology like that, you could cure cancer.
48:20 --> 48:21 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to cure cancer.
48:21 --> 48:23 [UNKNOWN]: I want to turn people into dinosaurs.
48:26 --> 48:35 [UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, so Helen says, I usually try to confine my urge to speak truth to power to the people actually empower, which I think is, by the way, exactly what she did.
48:36 --> 48:43 [UNKNOWN]: She was directing that she was yelling at pair and the senator on Charlotte's behalf, not a shark, Charlotte, but anyway, but pairs like fine.
48:43 --> 48:47 [UNKNOWN]: You think you're the first journalist to comment me like this, bring it, not yourself out.
48:47 --> 48:57 [UNKNOWN]: And so she starts asking questions, and the people who want answers in the audience were just, she says, how much is this going to cost to run per year?
48:58 --> 49:03 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, you know, after the apocalypse, the sellers are meant to be self-sufficient and self-sustaining.
49:03 --> 49:04 [UNKNOWN]: Until then,
49:05 --> 49:29 [UNKNOWN]: there's what do you think about this plan there's a plan to test 100 people in each of the silos so that means 5 people each will be paid 200 k each a year so that's a billion a year in salary alone let alone supplies and whatever else um and he says he's a trillionaires so you can afford to pay for this for a thousand years with his private wealth not taxpayer dollars
49:32 --> 49:36 [UNKNOWN]: Private project, not taxpayer, but the senator seems to be involved.
49:37 --> 49:41 [UNKNOWN]: Second question for you, Luke, would you be a silo tester?
49:43 --> 49:45 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, to answer that question.
49:45 --> 49:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I would be for $200, at least for a year or so.
49:51 --> 50:03 [UNKNOWN]: Actually, not just for the money, but I would find it quite interesting, you know, as a sort of social experiment, or as a sort of an opportunity for self-knowledge, you know?
50:03 --> 50:04 [UNKNOWN]: Could I hack it?
50:04 --> 50:05 [UNKNOWN]: Could I do it?
50:05 --> 50:07 [UNKNOWN]: Could I live in a silo for a year?
50:08 --> 50:14 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm not saying I would want to make you career of it, but yeah, give me the $200 one-off thing for a year.
50:15 --> 50:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll do that.
50:17 --> 50:24 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if it also gets you a place on the list to, you know, for a bunker survival in case of the apocalypse.
50:24 --> 50:28 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's, that's interesting, because I was thinking about this.
50:29 --> 50:33 [UNKNOWN]: We've been assuming that once the silos have been built,
50:36 --> 50:47 [UNKNOWN]: But what if they don't, what if the disaster, whatever the nature of that disaster is, happens and the only people in there are the hundreds or so employees.
50:48 --> 50:52 [UNKNOWN]: And what if, over time, they're the ones that populate the side of them?
50:54 --> 50:54 [UNKNOWN]: What if?
50:56 --> 50:59 [UNKNOWN]: Oh no, no comment.
50:59 --> 51:07 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about the aspect that, and I'll say this, the book version, the story that's told to the public, it does seem to be government dollars paying for it.
51:07 --> 51:13 [UNKNOWN]: There is a tech guy, but he's not necessarily positioned as the richest man in the world in the book version.
51:14 --> 51:25 [UNKNOWN]: So the story told to the public is, it's a government project to build a nuclear waste storage complex, and Thurmond's name is the one on the project, because it's from a political
51:27 --> 51:53 [UNKNOWN]: okay so would you think about this version for this is that version yeah i can't imagine that version being particularly popular with the vote is George no yeah we had a lot of discussion about this in the book discussion about how feasible people thought whether Americans would agree to that it may be it's even less so now than at the time of the books are written well i mean i just to understand this is the most of the US's nuclear
51:57 --> 51:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I mean, it does have to be dumped somewhere.
52:00 --> 52:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
52:01 --> 52:01 [UNKNOWN]: Mm.
52:02 --> 52:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
52:03 --> 52:07 [UNKNOWN]: And then we get to that conversation that you brought up.
52:07 --> 52:15 [UNKNOWN]: So, pair admits he could spend this money on curing homelessness, says he is close to curing Alzheimer's.
52:15 --> 52:21 [UNKNOWN]: So it seems that part of the clinic, the clinic that Charlotte went to, said to be founded to cure
52:22 --> 52:33 [UNKNOWN]: Alzheimer's because of his mother, so that part seems to be legit, and he says ending cancer or global poverty would be noble goals, but they're not my goal.
52:34 --> 52:43 [UNKNOWN]: So here's my question for you, what do you think would be the best use of a trillion dollars to save the planet?
52:44 --> 52:49 [UNKNOWN]: If you are to trillion dollars to spend on saving the planet, how should it be spent?
52:50 --> 52:51 [UNKNOWN]: Oh God, we could be here for hours.
52:54 --> 52:56 [UNKNOWN]: I think there are a couple of things.
52:57 --> 53:19 [UNKNOWN]: So the first thing is, the first thing is global infrastructure and green energy, not so much green energy technology, because I actually that's pretty developed, but making sure that you could store the power generated by things like waves, wind, solar, and to build a new
53:21 --> 53:23 [UNKNOWN]: Power grid with that in mind.
53:23 --> 53:28 [UNKNOWN]: So basically to hook it up to make sure it's all hooked up.
53:28 --> 53:38 [UNKNOWN]: So actually you'd have to do it common, we're common, so there'd be an author American grid, a European grid, an author African grid, a sub-saharan, African grid.
53:38 --> 53:41 [UNKNOWN]: You could do things like particularly in sub-saharan Africa.
53:42 --> 53:48 [UNKNOWN]: There's a huge deficit in physical infrastructure,
53:49 --> 53:56 [UNKNOWN]: hospitals, grum, access to clean water, access to electricity.
53:57 --> 54:00 [UNKNOWN]: Basically, there isn't one project you would spend it on.
54:01 --> 54:11 [UNKNOWN]: You'd spend a lot of 10 billion dollar projects, not one trillion dollar project.
54:12 --> 54:14 [UNKNOWN]: This re-foresting the Amazon,
54:16 --> 54:18 [UNKNOWN]: there is protecting biodiverse.
54:18 --> 54:20 [UNKNOWN]: I could literally be here for hours.
54:21 --> 54:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:22 --> 54:29 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, I would say that from my perspective, the biggest thing is I don't think the spending money.
54:29 --> 54:37 [UNKNOWN]: It is actually this conversation, uh, dovetails oddly with a conversation, Sean and I were having in the Spider-Man brand new day, uh, podcasts on the Lawrence feed.
54:38 --> 54:38 [UNKNOWN]: So,
54:39 --> 54:48 [UNKNOWN]: We talked about the Thanos snap, but I think that at the end of the day, it's not necessarily about money.
54:49 --> 54:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's about where the resources and money we have are focused.
54:56 --> 55:22 [UNKNOWN]: if they are all focused on destroying each other, then that leaves, first of all, it definitely blocks the ability to distribute resources, literally leads to blockades in various places, but also like we have enough food in this world, if we could distribute it more equitably, and I think education is the answer just,
55:24 --> 55:34 [UNKNOWN]: creating societies that normalize empathy and cooperation more than is what we need more than spending any amount of money on anything.
55:34 --> 55:46 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's really telling that pair says that he just doesn't think it's possible to curtail greed and warfare and his first thought is like, how would I stop around from doing this?
55:46 --> 55:48 [UNKNOWN]: I would buy a run and like
55:53 --> 56:01 [UNKNOWN]: imagine thinking as an actual ally to Iran and building a relationship through common goals.
56:01 --> 56:03 [UNKNOWN]: So that you just don't want to destroy each other.
56:03 --> 56:09 [UNKNOWN]: So that you're working toward the same goals, instead of, you know, let's have the goals of blowing each other up.
56:10 --> 56:16 [UNKNOWN]: So I think that tells a lot about pair, but what do we think this senator thinks or believes in that regard?
56:18 --> 56:19 [UNKNOWN]: So what do you mean?
56:20 --> 56:29 [UNKNOWN]: that do we think that the senator agrees with pair that's the answer to the world's problems is to build a bigger gun?
56:29 --> 56:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it seems so she said she agreed with him right?
56:35 --> 56:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
56:36 --> 56:36 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think she does.
56:37 --> 56:56 [UNKNOWN]: And pair brings up the troll quote unquote who lives in his mother's basement who wants to hack into Missile Command and launch world war three or release a virus that he made with CRISPR or God for bid make a nano weapon for $300 and yeah my philosophy is when you look for enemies around every corner you will not only find them you will create them.
56:57 --> 57:00 [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's what we see happening here.
57:01 --> 57:02 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
57:02 --> 57:02 [UNKNOWN]: I mean.
57:03 --> 57:06 [UNKNOWN]: I guess they're well-meaning.
57:06 --> 57:07 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think that?
57:07 --> 57:07 [UNKNOWN]: They're well-meaning?
57:08 --> 57:21 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, um, I'm not sure that pair is well-meaning, because like I say, I'm not, I think there is, I think there is more stuff going on with pair than what he's told us.
57:23 --> 57:27 [UNKNOWN]: He's, uh, you ranked him last time as you're least trusted of him.
57:27 --> 57:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I, and I, and I, I'm by stillward.
57:29 --> 57:30 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah.
57:31 --> 57:41 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, it does like, I do, I hear him in real life or people who are well-meaning, you know, like fear of 3D printed guns, that sort of thing.
57:41 --> 57:46 [UNKNOWN]: But I think at the end of the day, you can't prevent people from making weapons.
57:46 --> 57:54 [UNKNOWN]: I just think about, there's this, um, one of the early back when I used to watch the Simpsons, one of the first, uh, the second actually Treehouse and Bajara episode.
57:55 --> 58:17 [UNKNOWN]: from season three episodes seven there was this monkey's paw episode and one of part of it goes into a world where Lisa has wished on a monkey's paw for there to be no more weapons or militaries in the world and so the entire world is at peace but that makes them vulnerable to alien invasion.
58:18 --> 58:23 [UNKNOWN]: And so the aliens invade, but then Ned Flander is makes another wish on the monkeys' paw to get rid of them.
58:24 --> 58:34 [UNKNOWN]: And they just basically pick up a piece of wood and realize that's a weapon and chase the aliens, or something like, you know, no matter what.
58:36 --> 58:42 [UNKNOWN]: humans are going to make weapons, not just humans, that you know, apes are doing it too.
58:43 --> 58:47 [UNKNOWN]: So I think you can't prevent people from making weapons.
58:47 --> 58:49 [UNKNOWN]: The goal needs to be
58:50 --> 58:54 [UNKNOWN]: making them not want to or not feel the need to make weapons.
58:54 --> 58:58 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, I'll get off my Ted Talks O Box.
58:58 --> 58:58 [UNKNOWN]: That's all right.
58:58 --> 59:00 [UNKNOWN]: I've been on my Ted Talk.
59:00 --> 59:02 [UNKNOWN]: So box quite a bit this episode.
59:03 --> 59:04 [UNKNOWN]: So you're in touch, you're in touch.
59:05 --> 59:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's one of those shows.
59:06 --> 59:07 [UNKNOWN]: You're in touch all the year.
59:09 --> 59:13 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but okay, so we find out that they want the three of them to join the project.
59:13 --> 59:17 [UNKNOWN]: They want Helen to be the journalist who sells Stenson's folly to the public.
59:18 --> 59:22 [UNKNOWN]: So, so kind of they want her to lie, which isn't really going to sit well with Helen.
59:22 --> 59:23 [UNKNOWN]: No, not written.
59:25 --> 59:37 [UNKNOWN]: And they want Charlotte on as like a because she's a drone pilot basically and they say victors are ready on and as her doctor they can continue their treatment together.
59:37 --> 59:48 [UNKNOWN]: And uh and it says to Daniel to obvious you don't enjoy being a congressman and this is going to be you wanted to pass in infrastructure reform.
59:48 --> 59:49 [UNKNOWN]: This is the ultimate
59:53 --> 01:00:03 [UNKNOWN]: I think gave him the egg, because, yes, this is not helping the common man, which is presumably what he wanted with infrastructure reform?
01:00:04 --> 01:00:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:10 [UNKNOWN]: I notice, oh, and they all get to keep their million if they leave, so that's nice.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so they've got two million between them.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:26 [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, Daniel, I noticed especially on the rewatch his responses to, because it first, did you think that Daniel was going to accept it?
01:00:26 --> 01:00:29 [UNKNOWN]: I thought there was a moment when he was thinking about it.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 [UNKNOWN]: And I still thought that on the rewatch.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I noticed on my rewatch that he, um, the way he looked at each of of the other two when they responded when Helen says at one point, you know, when, um, because they tell Helen that, uh, yeah, you
01:00:49 --> 01:01:10 [UNKNOWN]: live near the site you can live in the city in Atlanta and that time strawberries real you can work in their Atlanta office and Helen says Jesus that's a good offer and Daniel gives her a look of surprise so that tells me he's new she was going to say no and he's like really he thinks yes yeah and then with his sister
01:01:13 --> 01:01:20 [UNKNOWN]: He gives her almost like disappointed look as eyes do the sad twitchy thing when when Charlotte accepts
01:01:21 --> 01:01:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although, like, how do we feel about the fact that Daniel's not sticking around to help her recover more of her memories?
01:01:29 --> 01:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because that does rather leave Charlotte up the creek without a pattern already, doesn't it?
01:01:36 --> 01:01:49 [UNKNOWN]: Because Vic says, quote, unquote, treatment can really only work if Daniel is in on that, because she doesn't have any other, I mean, she's probably got friends but in terms of
01:01:49 --> 01:01:59 [UNKNOWN]: building the memory of rebuilding a large part of the life, you know, it's not like she's got other members of the family that she's lean on.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:04 [UNKNOWN]: It's been made clear that her and Daniel are pretty much older than the world.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean I hope he can still visit her, so I hope it's not about
01:02:14 --> 01:02:16 [UNKNOWN]: I did like, I did enjoy how ends response.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:25 [UNKNOWN]: She says, I think I'd rather be blown to bits by a nuke or turn into gray goo by Nano than stick around for your post apocalyptic underground mole people party.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:27 [UNKNOWN]: Good luck, more locks.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:29 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not a good look, more locks.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we, we had just said, yeah, in the feedback episode, that it was going to be an HG Wells crossover.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: So confirmed.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:43 [UNKNOWN]: And then, Daniel, he's such a nerd, which is, I think, is adorable.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:50 [UNKNOWN]: He says, Stenson, he tells her when he joins her, Stenson's cray cranks, nobody says anymore, which is true, people do say date.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'm never going to get over that, but cray crates a little fashion.
01:02:54 --> 01:03:00 [UNKNOWN]: And he says, they do, if they're really cray-fucking cray, it's a fair come back, Daniel, fair.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:05 [UNKNOWN]: And then he says, I want to turn to gray goo with you.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08 [UNKNOWN]: But I want to point out she initiates the kiss.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, she does.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:13 [UNKNOWN]: Because some people were kicked out by the romance, because she kept saying it was not a date.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:14 [UNKNOWN]: But she was obviously into it.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh, oh, she was totally into it.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:25 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, if you were given this offer, would you stay or would you go?
01:03:26 --> 01:03:27 [UNKNOWN]: Would I stay or would I go?
01:03:28 --> 01:03:30 [UNKNOWN]: Would you stay or would you go?
01:03:32 --> 01:03:38 [UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, it's probably, I would be tempted to study to be.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: Me too.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:58 [UNKNOWN]: I want to know, yeah, I want to know about the world ending projects, but it is like, even though I just went through all these reasons why I fundamentally disagree with pair stance and view of the world, but just knowing that
01:04:01 --> 01:04:05 [UNKNOWN]: You know, some guy that you have to worry about flying off the handle to other times.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:07 [UNKNOWN]: Very even tempered.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:13 [UNKNOWN]: You know, I can imagine there being real world counterparts that I would not want to be.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:19 [UNKNOWN]: You don't want to be involved in a solid project with Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:24 [UNKNOWN]: probably, or sooner Mark Zuckerberg because he seems more even tempered.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:36 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, no, I do think that rather than both of them, I think that pair stands in seems like a more pleasant person to be around.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:43 [UNKNOWN]: And maybe there's a way to like reason in the way he's putting it here.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:50 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously we know that the silo projects going to be enacted and something happens to the rest of the world and they have this project.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:58 [UNKNOWN]: So who's to say at this point that he's wrong given what we know about 150 years in the future?
01:05:00 --> 01:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: But you know, you know what would really appeal to me is getting what getting to help decide what goes in the vault.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:10 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:13 --> 01:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: Let me let me curate that.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, somebody was a Peter Gabriel fan.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, a lot of Peter Gabriel's entire back catalog.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [UNKNOWN]: So I was the apocalypse.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: at least in size of 17.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:37 [UNKNOWN]: I imagine, I mean, because that is another thing that it seems like the vaults in the show version.
01:05:37 --> 01:05:43 [UNKNOWN]: There's more, it was more about preserving information in the book version and the show version.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:46 [UNKNOWN]: They really do have like art and things like that in there.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52 [UNKNOWN]: And so it seems like, yeah, they want to keep
01:05:52 --> 01:06:00 [UNKNOWN]: preserve the vaults and that would be a good explanation for why there's an independent power source to IT in case everything else goes down.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, at least the vault survives.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:04 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:11 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think there's going to be a time jump in the before times part of the story now?
01:06:13 --> 01:06:17 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, but I mean the catastrophe could come along at any time.
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they need to at least build 50 silays for us, right?
01:06:21 --> 01:06:23 [UNKNOWN]: They do, but they don't have to take a few years.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they shouldn't be making pretty good progress.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:29 [UNKNOWN]: They only have like the hole for one of them so far.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he's going to get 50 diggers now, so.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:34 [UNKNOWN]: But then they have to build the whole thing.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll take years.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:42 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I'm very concerned that having then Daniel's going to get memory drug after this episode.
01:06:43 --> 01:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: I just don't see, I mean, they sign the NDA, and I just don't see, like, what are they going to put them in the stenciling clinic or something?
01:06:52 --> 01:06:52 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're just going to slip in the water, like they're doing with the actual silo.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:58 [UNKNOWN]: I hope it doesn't have it in their food.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I hope it doesn't happen.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:05 [UNKNOWN]: I just go, I want the plot to keep going, and not stall on that.
01:07:09 --> 01:07:11 [UNKNOWN]: Any other thoughts about the before times?
01:07:12 --> 01:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: Story?
01:07:15 --> 01:07:21 [UNKNOWN]: I've, I know we've been told it's not ours, I'm like the one that is nanos though.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:26 [UNKNOWN]: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the what the fuck crowd is not there.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:27 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:53 [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to feel like I'm holding on to my ego in the suit, well, okay, I'm holding my ego in the steering, with I think it is, it just, I like, I get what you're saying about he needs to look good on television, but I don't understand why you would have your itty busy little invisible weapon system in a big fucking cloud, that makes no sense.
01:07:54 --> 01:08:13 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, they obviously around that's not have the itty bitty little version But if they don't have the hippie little version though, they don't have another weapon because no, it should be called like a micro Yeah, yeah, fair, fair, they're yeah Anyway, okay, I just the what the food cloud doesn't quite add out for me is all I'm sorry
01:08:14 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: okay.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:17 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:20 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:22 [UNKNOWN]: Well, let's take a break here when we come back.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:25 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to check in on someone I know everyone's been looking forward to
01:08:32 --> 01:08:44 [UNKNOWN]: All right, so in silo 17, the kids are all right, but the episode opens with Patrick Kennedy, Rick Gomez, and Lucas Kyle Avinash in the mud after being shot at, as we heard in episode seven.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:50 [UNKNOWN]: Both have been playing dead until the attackers, which we can assume were drones and less and corrected.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:53 [UNKNOWN]: The idea said we're getting shot for the sky.
01:08:53 --> 01:08:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think there's no reason for us not to think it's drones, but anyway, they've flown away.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:00 [UNKNOWN]: But it turns out, both Patrick and Lucas have survived.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:03 [UNKNOWN]: Only Lucas has actually been shot.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:08 [UNKNOWN]: The gun was aimed at his heart, but the radio in his breast pockets slowed the bullet.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:12 [UNKNOWN]: And it all seems like it lodged in his shoulder more than as hard I should say.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:24 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and the two weighed through the sea of the dead into silo 17, where they find the door to the jail cells inside shut the new barrier between the silo and the outside world.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: Invoking the name of Juliet, they talk teens, Audrey, Georgiana Sadler, and Hope Sarah Hazemi into opening the door.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:45 [UNKNOWN]: Inside Lucas gets medical attention and Jimmy Conroy, aka Solo, Steve Zahn, fixes the radio, and we see the other side of the radio conversation with Martha and Juliet from episode 7.
01:09:47 --> 01:09:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, we were hoping that it would pick up here, were you satisfied with that?
01:09:53 --> 01:10:15 [UNKNOWN]: I was, and I'm also quite, quite pleased that they didn't have like an episode of Willy Wonchick, Willy Live, Wonchick Live with Luke, I mean yes, he got shot, but he seems to be, he seems to be on the mend quite nicely by the end of the episode, because I just find that tedious to be honest, because
01:10:16 --> 01:10:17 [UNKNOWN]: I think we can be pretty.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:19 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying Lucas won't.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:29 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying he will survive two season four episode 10, but right now he is too interested in the aquarium to take care of.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:34 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad they didn't do the whole Willy Vompty teams.
01:10:34 --> 01:10:37 [UNKNOWN]: Um, because that would have been quite that would have been quite boring.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:57 [UNKNOWN]: I do like, like I said in the introduction, I do like the energy between property, Kennedy, and Jimmy, Solo, I think I hope they make it back silo 18, I think they could be quite a good odd couple.
01:10:59 --> 01:10:59 [UNKNOWN]: going forward.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:06 [UNKNOWN]: I do like the, you know what you're doing, the book does line.
01:11:07 --> 01:11:15 [UNKNOWN]: I thought that sort of does sort of in one line very neatly encapsulated the life that Jimmy has been forced to live.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:28 [UNKNOWN]: It's just all this information that's been presented to him.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad the kids are all right, because that was not an award, you may.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's far as the kids, the younger kids didn't get much to do this episode.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:47 [UNKNOWN]: There's no sign of Benny at all, but yeah, he just assumed that's child labor homes.
01:11:48 --> 01:11:50 [UNKNOWN]: And it was grown up time to talk.
01:11:50 --> 01:11:58 [UNKNOWN]: And we saw, we saw that Rick, Orlando Norman, seems to have become Jimmy's assistant, since he was we learning from him.
01:11:58 --> 01:12:00 [UNKNOWN]: He was helping Lucas and fixing the radio.
01:12:01 --> 01:12:09 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and we've, we established how season the Benny babysits the baby a lot so that we can just assume when we don't see them, they're off screen and Benny naps a lot, I guess whatever.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:24 [UNKNOWN]: I, I like to the moment where Patrick got to see, they've cut out pictures from the legacy of like animals and stuff and made a collage on the wall and, um,
01:12:30 --> 01:12:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, just stepping back to when they're outside.
01:12:36 --> 01:12:40 [UNKNOWN]: So, what do we think about the drones?
01:12:42 --> 01:12:44 [UNKNOWN]: Like, do you have why do you think the drones went away?
01:12:44 --> 01:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: I guess they don't have, for example, heartbeat scanning tech because drones can probably only carry so much.
01:12:50 --> 01:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: They have guns on them.
01:12:51 --> 01:12:53 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, but they wouldn't even need that.
01:12:53 --> 01:12:54 [UNKNOWN]: All you need is a heat sensor.
01:12:56 --> 01:13:02 [UNKNOWN]: I yeah, but they would if they were just shot, then they wouldn't, they would still be warm for a bit.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:04 [UNKNOWN]: And then you did come back and we find out.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:09 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you would just, you would just have the drone over there, or over there for a little bit.
01:13:09 --> 01:13:11 [UNKNOWN]: But you can't do that for hours, right?
01:13:11 --> 01:13:13 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:14 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yes, they can.
01:13:15 --> 01:13:16 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I mean, I mean, I get to depend on the
01:13:24 --> 01:13:32 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, certainly, I've had drones that, like, we're just stupid little, you know, pride that couldn't last 10 minutes.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
01:13:33 --> 01:13:39 [UNKNOWN]: But the ones you would be using for that would have, would have legs.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:43 [UNKNOWN]: And that is also something that I mean, I'll I'll say there's drones in the book.
01:13:44 --> 01:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: We know that they wanted to in the before times league.
01:13:47 --> 01:13:50 [UNKNOWN]: They wanted they were interested in Charlotte as a drone pilot.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:57 [UNKNOWN]: So it's fair to say but I think this is also another area where the technology has advanced since the books have been published.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah drones are capable of more than they were when the books were written.
01:14:02 --> 01:14:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:14:03 --> 01:14:03 [UNKNOWN]: Well,
01:14:04 --> 01:14:14 [UNKNOWN]: I liked that Lucas had your shot, the Patrick said your shot, and Lucas is like, what, you don't feel that?
01:14:14 --> 01:14:19 [UNKNOWN]: Which is absolutely the experience of shock that you don't feel the pain from it.
01:14:21 --> 01:14:30 [UNKNOWN]: Um, and I want to, okay, so I want to correct my saying there is naps in the light to saying it looks more like dust blowing in the breeze.
01:14:30 --> 01:14:32 [UNKNOWN]: Did you see notice that this time in their light?
01:14:32 --> 01:14:33 [UNKNOWN]: Like is there a breeze?
01:14:34 --> 01:14:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:14:34 --> 01:14:35 [UNKNOWN]: Is it dust blowing?
01:14:35 --> 01:14:36 [UNKNOWN]: Do you have any thoughts about this?
01:14:37 --> 01:14:41 [UNKNOWN]: Is it not, is it not a wind blowing in the wind?
01:14:42 --> 01:14:43 [UNKNOWN]: Just in the wind.
01:14:45 --> 01:14:48 [UNKNOWN]: Only one is killing animals in the wind.
01:14:53 --> 01:15:02 [UNKNOWN]: And then what do you think about the fact that so Audrey, obviously, worried about letting the bad air in when the guys are trying to get in, but Lucas points out that he's been shot.
01:15:02 --> 01:15:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:15:03 --> 01:15:08 [UNKNOWN]: So that means he has a hole in his suit because that's where the gun and the bullet entered.
01:15:09 --> 01:15:12 [UNKNOWN]: But he is still alive, so he says he must not have the poison on him.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:13 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about that?
01:15:13 --> 01:15:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that seems, yeah, that seems very convenient, poor eyes.
01:15:21 --> 01:15:28 [UNKNOWN]: I was, I mean, how far would they from the entrance of, to Sino 17?
01:15:29 --> 01:15:35 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I would say they were about maybe 10, 15 yards.
01:15:37 --> 01:15:39 [UNKNOWN]: walking over broken terrain.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: He means bodies.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and bodies.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:43 [UNKNOWN]: So that's going to take them.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:46 [UNKNOWN]: A good couple of minutes.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:49 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe two, three minutes.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:50 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
01:15:52 --> 01:15:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like why isn't Lucas dead?
01:15:55 --> 01:15:57 [UNKNOWN]: That is a good question.
01:15:57 --> 01:15:57 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:15:59 --> 01:15:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:16 [UNKNOWN]: It is a good question, and then, yeah, of course, we get the radio fixing and clean shave and Jimmy, I did wonder, did they have him shave his beard so that he looked more physically different than Patrick for him.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:29 [UNKNOWN]: I forgot to point out by the way last time that Teddy's code name on their little radio code is Donnie, which is Donald aka Daniel's nickname in the books.
01:16:30 --> 01:16:32 [UNKNOWN]: So I think there's another book shout out.
01:16:34 --> 01:16:41 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and then to set up the rest of what happens in here, we have a mother's love.
01:16:42 --> 01:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: In the maintenance hallways behind judicial, Jimmy, Audrey, and Patrick locate where the pipe they are looking for should be, and Patrick shares as a maintenance slash painting expert that he believes it shows signs of someone having welded themselves inside this panel.
01:17:00 --> 01:17:02 [UNKNOWN]: That's someone, of course, is Jimmy's mother.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:12 [UNKNOWN]: They need to move her remains before they can investigate the pipe situation, but Jimmy refuses to allow it, and Rick and Audrey refuse to allow anything that goes against Jimmy.
01:17:13 --> 01:17:21 [UNKNOWN]: Jimmy takes off, and someone, a grown-up, needs to go talk to him, but Lucas is still down for the count, and tells Patrick it needs to be him.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: He's the bullshit guy, anyway.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:26 [UNKNOWN]: The guy who convinced a lot of other people to follow him.
01:17:27 --> 01:17:32 [UNKNOWN]: So, hope, knowing where she'll find Jimmy takes Patrick to his childhood home.
01:17:32 --> 01:17:42 [UNKNOWN]: There, Patrick talks to Jimmy about the burial rituals of Silo 18, a chance to say goodbye, and convinces Jimmy to allow them to give his mother a funeral as well.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:49 [UNKNOWN]: With the area now clear and Lucas better recovered, Lucas is able to crawl inside and analyze the situation.
01:17:50 --> 01:17:59 [UNKNOWN]: He can see that after Jimmy's mom welded herself inside, she saw it open the pipe, wearing a cleaning suit and presumably burning off the bad air as she worked.
01:18:00 --> 01:18:08 [UNKNOWN]: And she welded a cap onto the end that came of the pipe that came into the sila from outside so that no more bad air could make it through.
01:18:09 --> 01:18:21 [UNKNOWN]: The welding tanks were empty, leading Lucas to assume more poison came out than she expected, but she burned it off until she saw she was running out of fuel and welded herself in to make sure none of the poison got out.
01:18:22 --> 01:18:23 [UNKNOWN]: So where do you want to begin with this?
01:18:24 --> 01:18:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I want to begin with Patrick Kennedy's sluthing skills, which are extremely impressive.
01:18:33 --> 01:18:34 [UNKNOWN]: Did he?
01:18:34 --> 01:18:35 [UNKNOWN]: Cotella was welded from inside.
01:18:35 --> 01:18:37 [UNKNOWN]: We tell it was welded from the inside.
01:18:37 --> 01:18:47 [UNKNOWN]: So I thought that was cool, and it does actually, it does actually marry up with his day job in silo.
01:18:47 --> 01:18:52 [UNKNOWN]: So it does make sense how he got from point A to point B.
01:18:54 --> 01:18:57 [UNKNOWN]: Also, I feel really bad for Jimmy.
01:18:58 --> 01:19:02 [UNKNOWN]: Like, well, can I just add to, can I just respond to that?
01:19:02 --> 01:19:10 [UNKNOWN]: Luke has also showed impressive slew things skills with the presumption that he burned off the fire and, yeah, well, that's herself it, yeah.
01:19:11 --> 01:19:12 [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, go ahead.
01:19:13 --> 01:19:19 [UNKNOWN]: I felt really bad for Jimmy, you know, he wasn't, that must've come as a really nasty shock.
01:19:19 --> 01:19:23 [UNKNOWN]: So obviously he wasn't expecting that.
01:19:23 --> 01:19:25 [UNKNOWN]: Where do you think he thought his mother was?
01:19:26 --> 01:19:30 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know where he thought what she was, but I don't think he was expecting it to find her.
01:19:30 --> 01:19:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's fine to take that.
01:19:37 --> 01:19:44 [UNKNOWN]: As you put in the show notes, I think it's interesting that Audrey is carrying a weapon and every scene we see her in.
01:19:44 --> 01:19:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:19:48 --> 01:19:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, about Jimmy, I mean, it's nice for him to learn, I suppose.
01:19:55 --> 01:20:01 [UNKNOWN]: This is a bit of a book difference in the book Jimmy's mom, both of his parents sacrificed himself to save him.
01:20:01 --> 01:20:03 [UNKNOWN]: Save them, sacrifice himself to save him.
01:20:03 --> 01:20:13 [UNKNOWN]: She specifically, she sacrificed himself herself so that those people who were killed outside the vault so that they couldn't get in.
01:20:14 --> 01:20:23 [UNKNOWN]: and then they killed her instead, but here in the show, she sacrificed herself to save the entire silo.
01:20:23 --> 01:20:37 [UNKNOWN]: So that is nice, but still, this really struck me when Jimmy says, you know, Patrick goes to talk to him and Jimmy says, I never knew anyone who died until everyone did.
01:20:37 --> 01:20:42 [UNKNOWN]: So it's like he went straight from sheltered childhood to the ultimate trauma of genocide.
01:20:44 --> 01:20:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, you can see even Patrick that hits hard.
01:20:48 --> 01:20:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:20:49 --> 01:20:55 [UNKNOWN]: and then Patrick relates to Jimmy by comparing his loss of Doris, his wife, Diro Darling Dead Doris.
01:20:55 --> 01:20:56 [UNKNOWN]: Dave did darling Dead Doris.
01:20:57 --> 01:21:02 [UNKNOWN]: You have to say the whole thing to honor her with the loss of Jimmy's mother.
01:21:02 --> 01:21:13 [UNKNOWN]: And then this is where he tells him Doris was buried under a peach tree, feeds off that tree, which feeds people who might someday be able to walk outside again, and that's Doris is with them.
01:21:15 --> 01:21:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the kind of storytelling that we need to get through grief.
01:21:19 --> 01:21:27 [UNKNOWN]: And he points out that, you know, it'll be good for the kids to give them a new way to cope with death as well.
01:21:27 --> 01:21:28 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about that?
01:21:30 --> 01:21:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, possibly.
01:21:32 --> 01:21:38 [UNKNOWN]: I think the kids just need to be reintroduced into a functioning society.
01:21:38 --> 01:21:42 [UNKNOWN]: They need to get the silo 18 It's going to be such a shock for them.
01:21:43 --> 01:21:53 [UNKNOWN]: It is going to be such a shock for them And you know, but they've got Julia, and they'll have Jimmy and Julia's in jail.
01:21:53 --> 01:21:56 [UNKNOWN]: No, we'll get to that, but yeah, yeah, sorry for God
01:21:58 --> 01:22:02 [UNKNOWN]: Well, they'll have Martha, and yeah, they'll have Martha.
01:22:06 --> 01:22:12 [UNKNOWN]: I told people on Reddit saying they were really hoping for a conversation between someone called them the two maniacs, Jimmy and Patrick.
01:22:13 --> 01:22:14 [UNKNOWN]: So I hope this scene made them happy.
01:22:16 --> 01:22:23 [UNKNOWN]: And Patrick really showed a growth over this episode from Winnie first says like they
01:22:26 --> 01:22:29 [UNKNOWN]: pretty rudely to Jimmy, we have to move her.
01:22:29 --> 01:22:31 [UNKNOWN]: She's blocking the pipe.
01:22:31 --> 01:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: Patrick, yeah, give him a moment.
01:22:33 --> 01:22:35 [UNKNOWN]: What if there's a way for that?
01:22:35 --> 01:22:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you like, you like, you like bluntness, you should, but there are, there are limits.
01:22:39 --> 01:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, that's cruelty, that's the difference.
01:22:41 --> 01:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:22:44 --> 01:22:50 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and, you know, Patrick's also being talking about Jimmy, calls him creepy, brings up the eye.
01:22:50 --> 01:22:57 [UNKNOWN]: We still need, and we still need an explanation about why Jimmy's one eye's messed up.
01:22:57 --> 01:22:58 [UNKNOWN]: And that's not in the book.
01:22:58 --> 01:23:00 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't exactly know what it's going to be.
01:23:00 --> 01:23:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:23:04 --> 01:23:12 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, and then tells Jimmy that Doris would have laughed that the thing he convinced people to follow him over that it was actually nice outside turned out to be total bullshit.
01:23:13 --> 01:23:20 [UNKNOWN]: And says Doris was the real leader, never felt for his bullshit and thinks she would have set him straight here as well.
01:23:20 --> 01:23:26 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder what they're bringing up Doris a lot the last couple episodes.
01:23:31 --> 01:23:32 [UNKNOWN]: Patrick's talking about Dora's so much.
01:23:32 --> 01:23:36 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we think she's buried under a piece.
01:23:36 --> 01:23:37 [UNKNOWN]: I think she really is.
01:23:37 --> 01:23:42 [UNKNOWN]: I said, well, I just sound to say we still know because that knocks his dad was dead.
01:23:43 --> 01:23:46 [UNKNOWN]: I never believe that for a second, you didn't know the river call.
01:23:46 --> 01:23:51 [UNKNOWN]: I'm fair enough, but you're all right, the people in the side, I'm so knocks his dad was dead.
01:23:53 --> 01:23:58 [UNKNOWN]: Only the funny if knocks his dad was hanging out with the dad, the dad, the dad, the dad,
01:24:02 --> 01:24:05 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think Doris has better taste in company, but no.
01:24:06 --> 01:24:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think Doris is like super dead and under mystery, but I don't know.
01:24:10 --> 01:24:16 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's just for, so we get to know Patrick better and how central his wife was to him.
01:24:16 --> 01:24:16 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe
01:24:17 --> 01:24:22 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if he's going to make some sort of sacrifice in the name of his wife or something at some point.
01:24:23 --> 01:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: If they're setting up something like that.
01:24:24 --> 01:24:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe.
01:24:25 --> 01:24:28 [UNKNOWN]: I want to see that peach tree now, though.
01:24:28 --> 01:24:30 [UNKNOWN]: That person nothing anymore is funny.
01:24:31 --> 01:24:33 [UNKNOWN]: We have been to the orchard all season.
01:24:36 --> 01:24:47 [UNKNOWN]: Lucas, as you pointed out, seems to be recovering quite nicely this episode, like he looked on death's door when he sang passion to go give Jimmy the talk.
01:24:48 --> 01:24:56 [UNKNOWN]: And then he looks much better when he's not that long later climbing into that cross space to look up to the pipe.
01:25:03 --> 01:25:05 [UNKNOWN]: And then this is what we mean.
01:25:06 --> 01:25:11 [UNKNOWN]: Well, in the sense that, you know, is it that's still one minute and then he sees sort of all right.
01:25:12 --> 01:25:14 [UNKNOWN]: The magic bullet mean one hour.
01:25:14 --> 01:25:18 [UNKNOWN]: I just in the the bully we shot with clearly has like some magical properties.
01:25:18 --> 01:25:19 [UNKNOWN]: It's recovered.
01:25:19 --> 01:25:20 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
01:25:20 --> 01:25:21 [UNKNOWN]: No, he's okay.
01:25:22 --> 01:25:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think this to go about what I said at the beginning, I think this is why this is a by exposition had the episode.
01:25:29 --> 01:25:34 [UNKNOWN]: There was some beats of it that didn't quite work, but I think this was one of them.
01:25:35 --> 01:25:36 [UNKNOWN]: What the Lucas has recovered?
01:25:36 --> 01:25:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the Lucas seems to be recovering like I'm naturally fast.
01:25:42 --> 01:25:46 [UNKNOWN]: What if it wasn't a mistake in writing?
01:25:47 --> 01:25:48 [UNKNOWN]: What if there was a reason?
01:25:49 --> 01:25:58 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just like, what if what if things that seem to you right now as clunky writing there's actually reasons behind them?
01:25:58 --> 01:26:07 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, you're the first thing a lot with the show that we're constantly telling people on Reddit like know they didn't forget about elevators as a reason there's no elevators.
01:26:08 --> 01:26:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I can't really comment on that because you're the book reader, but hold back on me, she don't don't spoil anything, pull back on me.
01:26:17 --> 01:26:18 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
01:26:18 --> 01:26:22 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm just saying don't jump to poor writing.
01:26:22 --> 01:26:24 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's just an announced then.
01:26:25 --> 01:26:26 [UNKNOWN]: How would that work?
01:26:28 --> 01:26:31 [UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe they can kill people, they can also heal them.
01:26:32 --> 01:26:34 [UNKNOWN]: But then why would they kill everybody else?
01:26:34 --> 01:26:35 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not Lucas.
01:26:38 --> 01:26:38 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
01:26:39 --> 01:26:44 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, we've gone too far.
01:26:44 --> 01:26:48 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like we're on the precipice of serious spoiler territory.
01:26:48 --> 01:26:48 [UNKNOWN]: Well, leave it.
01:26:49 --> 01:26:56 [UNKNOWN]: Um, how do we think Jimmy's mom died like I lack she ran out of oxygen or she just let herself starve to death in her?
01:26:56 --> 01:27:00 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think she ran out of oxygen before she stopped.
01:27:00 --> 01:27:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe, maybe.
01:27:03 --> 01:27:07 [UNKNOWN]: All right, will we, that, any more thoughts on the silo 17 part of the storyline?
01:27:08 --> 01:27:08 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:27:09 --> 01:27:13 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let's take a break here and come back and wrap up with silo 18.
01:27:17 --> 01:27:19 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, silo 18, the voice is view.
01:27:20 --> 01:27:31 [UNKNOWN]: In the silo 18 vault, the voice checks in with head of IT Camille Sims, Alexandria Riley, about how she's handling finding out that her husband has been continuing to work against her.
01:27:31 --> 01:27:42 [UNKNOWN]: Camille says that she mostly feels tired, it's 4 a.m. after a long, emotionally draining day, but there's no time to sleep because the voice has learned that Patrick and Lucas did not stay down.
01:27:43 --> 01:27:48 [UNKNOWN]: Their bodies have disappeared, meaning they have probably survived and made it into Salah 17.
01:27:49 --> 01:27:53 [UNKNOWN]: The voice urges Camille to find out why they were really sent there.
01:27:53 --> 01:27:59 [UNKNOWN]: So, Camille pays a visit to her husband, Rob, Common, where she left him in jail, bringing him a meal.
01:28:00 --> 01:28:11 [UNKNOWN]: And they bond over their concern for their son for getting his memories until it becomes clear to Rob that his wife is manipulating him to get intel on what Juliet has been up to.
01:28:11 --> 01:28:24 [UNKNOWN]: Rob makes it clear that he is not on his wife's side, and she returns to the voice to insist that she needs to know how they could possibly stop the safeguard if the voice wants her to prevent it from happening.
01:28:29 --> 01:28:34 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, where I want to begin here is, why hasn't the voice initiated the safeguard?
01:28:36 --> 01:28:37 [UNKNOWN]: Why should the voice initiate this if current?
01:28:38 --> 01:28:43 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, it knows that it knows Patrick Kennedy and Lucas.
01:28:44 --> 01:28:47 [UNKNOWN]: By the way, why do we always call him Patrick Kennedy and never just Patrick?
01:28:48 --> 01:28:49 [UNKNOWN]: I've been calling him Patrick.
01:28:50 --> 01:28:54 [UNKNOWN]: Why do I call him Patrick Kennedy and never Patrick?
01:28:54 --> 01:28:56 [UNKNOWN]: Patrick and Lucas.
01:29:00 --> 01:29:02 [UNKNOWN]: the voice clearly knows something is up.
01:29:03 --> 01:29:12 [UNKNOWN]: The voice also knows that the setting judge and the form of head of judicial is involved in it.
01:29:14 --> 01:29:17 [UNKNOWN]: It knows that Julia is a long way off the reservation.
01:29:19 --> 01:29:25 [UNKNOWN]: It knows that it probably knows that something is going on with mechanical like
01:29:27 --> 01:29:31 [UNKNOWN]: at what point does it press the button on the save card?
01:29:31 --> 01:29:43 [UNKNOWN]: Because I keep coming back to this line that Camille said a couple of episodes ago, until it grows, until it grows, arms and legs.
01:29:44 --> 01:29:46 [UNKNOWN]: I've got to be the one that, okay, stick.
01:29:51 --> 01:29:57 [UNKNOWN]: the algorithm doesn't have like an infinite amount of time to wait to initiate the saved card.
01:29:57 --> 01:30:06 [UNKNOWN]: There will come a point at which the humans figure it out and are able to stop it.
01:30:07 --> 01:30:14 [UNKNOWN]: So what I don't understand is that they're so far past the order and the packet at this point.
01:30:15 --> 01:30:22 [UNKNOWN]: You know, the two documents that I suppose to control and condition life in the silos.
01:30:23 --> 01:30:26 [UNKNOWN]: I don't understand what the algorithm is waiting for.
01:30:26 --> 01:30:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how far, basically, how far sideways have things got to go before it initiates safeguard.
01:30:36 --> 01:30:40 [UNKNOWN]: Because if I were looking at it from the algorithm's point of view,
01:30:44 --> 01:30:59 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, we'll let me ask you a question that we'll dive into more later, but from the Julia and Bernard conversation, we'll talk about it on another part, but why do you think, why do you think the safeguard exists at all?
01:30:59 --> 01:31:03 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think the algorithm or the voice ever wants to kill the silo?
01:31:05 --> 01:31:28 [UNKNOWN]: When that that's, I am not 100% sure, I think the best way, the best thing I can come up with right now is is it to prevent, I think my explanation of the moment is, is it to prevent the humans from understanding the nature of their reality?
01:31:28 --> 01:31:37 [UNKNOWN]: In other words, why they ended up in the silo in the first place, that, that, that smile of working high-professors.
01:31:38 --> 01:31:42 [UNKNOWN]: And if they found that out, what do you think the worry is?
01:31:42 --> 01:31:54 [UNKNOWN]: I think the worry there is that they would, they would turn on the algorithm, or they would turn on whoever or whatever is inhabiting silo one.
01:31:57 --> 01:32:00 [UNKNOWN]: I like the Camille Snark's back in this episode.
01:32:00 --> 01:32:03 [UNKNOWN]: She's like, how do I feel?
01:32:04 --> 01:32:06 [UNKNOWN]: Why are my cortisol levels now?
01:32:07 --> 01:32:10 [UNKNOWN]: And then later there's a red visualization.
01:32:10 --> 01:32:12 [UNKNOWN]: The voice usually has a visualization on the screen.
01:32:12 --> 01:32:14 [UNKNOWN]: And it's red now instead of blue.
01:32:14 --> 01:32:18 [UNKNOWN]: And she says, what I'm seeing is this reflection of my mood or yours?
01:32:18 --> 01:32:20 [UNKNOWN]: It's very hell vibe.
01:32:25 --> 01:32:32 [UNKNOWN]: the red representation of the algorithm reflected in Camille's eyes, which is really cool.
01:32:32 --> 01:32:33 [UNKNOWN]: So it looks like fire in our eyes.
01:32:34 --> 01:32:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it looks kind of terminator-esque.
01:32:37 --> 01:32:51 [UNKNOWN]: And then she says, okay, then how about you kill us right now, which I'm like, I don't know, don't Tim, don't tempt the death machine, but it's it is also like calling a bluff.
01:32:51 --> 01:32:57 [UNKNOWN]: So if why do you think, okay, I asked you why you thought they might, the algorithm might want to kill silo 18.
01:32:57 --> 01:32:59 [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think the algorithm might
01:33:00 --> 01:33:02 [UNKNOWN]: algorithm might not want to kill salivating.
01:33:02 --> 01:33:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is the thing I can't work out.
01:33:05 --> 01:33:12 [UNKNOWN]: Because if it's just, it's directive is to make sure that the humans are on the program.
01:33:13 --> 01:33:16 [UNKNOWN]: I either, they're following the rules right out in the pack in the order.
01:33:16 --> 01:33:17 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's done.
01:33:18 --> 01:33:19 [UNKNOWN]: That's been in Ghana at this point.
01:33:20 --> 01:33:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, the forgetting drugs might work.
01:33:24 --> 01:33:26 [UNKNOWN]: But then again, they might not,
01:33:27 --> 01:33:37 [UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know, I don't know what the algorithms like risk and reward tolerance is at this point.
01:33:37 --> 01:33:46 [UNKNOWN]: Because if I were the algorithm looking at it from the algorithms point of view, at this point I would be tempted to put, I would be certainly tempted to push the button.
01:33:48 --> 01:33:52 [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, so we do need to look.
01:33:53 --> 01:33:57 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's, that is the thing though, is we have never seen from the algorithms point of view.
01:33:58 --> 01:34:01 [UNKNOWN]: We only see point of view of the siloed sense.
01:34:01 --> 01:34:09 [UNKNOWN]: We don't see what the thinking is of the machine or whatever is going on in siloed one, not yet.
01:34:10 --> 01:34:11 [UNKNOWN]: No yet yet.
01:34:12 --> 01:34:16 [UNKNOWN]: We're mentioned siloed one enough, and we obviously have to eventually see inside.
01:34:17 --> 01:34:19 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think it's interesting.
01:34:19 --> 01:34:21 [UNKNOWN]: The voice uses rather loaded language.
01:34:21 --> 01:34:23 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how do you feel now that your husband betrayed you?
01:34:25 --> 01:34:26 [UNKNOWN]: What if I did?
01:34:26 --> 01:34:29 [UNKNOWN]: It is loaded language, but it's not inaccurate.
01:34:30 --> 01:34:34 [UNKNOWN]: Did he betray her or is he like calling her?
01:34:35 --> 01:34:42 [UNKNOWN]: Like sometimes calling someone out is being true to them being like the person I know would not do this horrible thing.
01:34:48 --> 01:34:49 [UNKNOWN]: like she has always been.
01:34:50 --> 01:34:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't disagree.
01:34:52 --> 01:35:12 [UNKNOWN]: You will, you know, I've been a Camille defender, and I still wonder, like you keep saying about the, doesn't algorithm not having the arms in the legs, I still wonder what kind of game she's playing, and if maybe, and obviously she knows there's a camera in the holding cell where her husband is and where she was talking to him.
01:35:12 --> 01:35:13 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah.
01:35:14 --> 01:35:15 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't know.
01:35:15 --> 01:35:24 [UNKNOWN]: And now we find out there's, do we think the air, we hear the airborne surveillance, went back and discovered that the bodies were gone?
01:35:26 --> 01:35:31 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think that that surveillance is only when needed or is it like nightly patrols or something like that?
01:35:32 --> 01:35:40 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's probably nightly patrols, but again, I don't get that, like you would just have the drone on station until the bodies went cold.
01:35:42 --> 01:35:43 [UNKNOWN]: unstatedly just hovering there.
01:35:43 --> 01:35:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just just hovering on that spot until the bodies were cold.
01:35:48 --> 01:35:49 [UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know.
01:35:49 --> 01:35:52 [UNKNOWN]: I'd be curious to hear from people who know more about drone technology.
01:35:52 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: They're thoughts on that.
01:35:53 --> 01:35:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:35:55 --> 01:35:57 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, they're bonding about their son.
01:35:58 --> 01:36:03 [UNKNOWN]: I like the line Anthony's 90% juice anyway, but I'd be the last to forget.
01:36:03 --> 01:36:06 [UNKNOWN]: What, I wanted about that, actually.
01:36:06 --> 01:36:06 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:36:07 --> 01:36:11 [UNKNOWN]: But well, because juice in the side, I was presumably quite an expensive product.
01:36:12 --> 01:36:15 [UNKNOWN]: What they are definitely one of the wealthiest families in the side.
01:36:15 --> 01:36:21 [UNKNOWN]: Because like, you know, you've only got, you've only got a certain amount of fruit.
01:36:23 --> 01:36:28 [UNKNOWN]: like using it for using it for juice is not like the most efficient way of using the fruit.
01:36:29 --> 01:36:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:30 --> 01:36:39 [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, I would say this is a thing where Knox, when he talked about being in relative poverty, I would say he didn't get much.
01:36:39 --> 01:36:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he didn't get much.
01:36:40 --> 01:36:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:36:41 --> 01:36:52 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm sure sometimes you get it in the cafeteria or whatever, but I doubt that they had like fridge, fridge is full of juice, like his name's a stew, which is, again, means that the
01:36:56 --> 01:37:02 [UNKNOWN]: are the ones who are going to be forced to drink the forget water more and forget faster.
01:37:02 --> 01:37:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:37:03 --> 01:37:06 [UNKNOWN]: No.
01:37:07 --> 01:37:15 [UNKNOWN]: I thought it was really sad when Camille said Anthony seems almost happy to go back to the way things were when I came home at night and you didn't.
01:37:15 --> 01:37:17 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, wait you twist the knife.
01:37:25 --> 01:37:51 [UNKNOWN]: but then she also said she said she was kind of hoping for him to forget and I was like what forget the fighting between the couple forget her being away for a while forget her father is father but then dreading it at the same time and I'm getting the feeling from this talk or so he has a question the dog gives me the feeling that she really did put forget drugs in the water but then I'm also like or is she performing for the camera?
01:37:51 --> 01:38:08 [UNKNOWN]: This is the thing that the two are indistinguishable because if you're going to convince the, if you're going to convince the algorithm that you have put the forgetting drugs in the awards You can't for a moment let that perform stop because it is watching you the entire time
01:38:10 --> 01:38:15 [UNKNOWN]: But we don't really know, it's kind of hard to tell how much time has passed.
01:38:16 --> 01:38:21 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we haven't seen any evidence of the forgetting, returning any effect on anybody so far.
01:38:22 --> 01:38:30 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, there's the whole thing about it being low and slow, but then you read out the mission stuff.
01:38:30 --> 01:38:32 [UNKNOWN]: And that doesn't sound particularly low.
01:38:32 --> 01:38:36 [UNKNOWN]: And we kind of don't know about it being slow, but it doesn't sound like it's low at all.
01:38:37 --> 01:38:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the TV version seems does make it feel like it's, it's more dramatic, um, I don't know, I don't know what does have other adaptation choice.
01:38:48 --> 01:38:49 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:38:49 --> 01:38:53 [UNKNOWN]: I'm still a bit unclear about that because he did say love and slow.
01:38:53 --> 01:39:02 [UNKNOWN]: So maybe it's just the way we're interpreting the end of missions where it's just, it missions diary was progressed to such
01:39:03 --> 01:39:05 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, such a difference.
01:39:06 --> 01:39:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:39:06 --> 01:39:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:39:07 --> 01:39:18 [UNKNOWN]: We don't know how much time passed between in in the 143 years ago, missions timeline between the forgetting drugs being introduced and that entry being written.
01:39:22 --> 01:39:29 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, my heart did break at like the manipulation of that Camille, you know, it's like, oh, they're bonding again.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:29 [UNKNOWN]: Thank God.
01:39:29 --> 01:39:32 [UNKNOWN]: And then, oh, no, she's just manipulating.
01:39:32 --> 01:39:34 [UNKNOWN]: She starts asking him about Julia.
01:39:34 --> 01:39:35 [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, God.
01:39:35 --> 01:39:43 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, in the ways she paints it as like, looking for hope about how they can stop silo one.
01:39:44 --> 01:39:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:39:45 --> 01:39:57 [UNKNOWN]: And why was she willing to send her closest friends like trying to paint Juliet as, you know, someone who would stab her friends in the back when instead of someone who trusts the people closest to her?
01:39:57 --> 01:39:59 [UNKNOWN]: And, yeah.
01:39:59 --> 01:40:02 [UNKNOWN]: Do we think this is marriage is done at this point?
01:40:03 --> 01:40:08 [UNKNOWN]: And we'll say Rob claps back here, you try to erase what happened to her there, but you failed.
01:40:08 --> 01:40:14 [UNKNOWN]: Just as I hope you fail here, and that's what, that was the moment where I most was like, damn, I don't know about these two.
01:40:14 --> 01:40:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:40:15 --> 01:40:17 [UNKNOWN]: Um, he says the kids witness terrible things.
01:40:18 --> 01:40:22 [UNKNOWN]: And if you can't believe that she genuinely wants to help those children, then I don't know you anymore.
01:40:23 --> 01:40:27 [UNKNOWN]: And so I really, at this point, I was like, oh shit, it really is over between them.
01:40:27 --> 01:40:29 [UNKNOWN]: But then I did go back to like,
01:40:30 --> 01:40:32 [UNKNOWN]: Um, first of all, where's Amy?
01:40:32 --> 01:40:36 [UNKNOWN]: I guess she still beat up at another cell, but breathing at least.
01:40:37 --> 01:40:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I did go back to like, should the voice trust Camille?
01:40:42 --> 01:40:43 [UNKNOWN]: Is Camille in the end?
01:40:43 --> 01:40:44 [UNKNOWN]: She can't.
01:40:45 --> 01:40:56 [UNKNOWN]: Tell her husband the truth, but is she playing a role for the voice because then she goes back to the voice and she's like Well, I can't help you if you don't tell me what's going on.
01:40:56 --> 01:40:57 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:40:57 --> 01:41:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like you were like, how does it sounds How does the same God work?
01:41:02 --> 01:41:03 [UNKNOWN]: Get in the dance.
01:41:03 --> 01:41:05 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, okay
01:41:06 --> 01:41:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was having the same thoughts.
01:41:08 --> 01:41:15 [UNKNOWN]: It's coming on flame both sides of against the middle here, which is exactly what she did last season.
01:41:15 --> 01:41:17 [UNKNOWN]: So it would hardly be out of character.
01:41:17 --> 01:41:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
01:41:20 --> 01:41:25 [UNKNOWN]: So I feel like we're seeing outlines of a story.
01:41:25 --> 01:41:28 [UNKNOWN]: I feel like we've seen this, okay.
01:41:28 --> 01:41:38 [UNKNOWN]: So shout out to the new Cosmere Corner podcast on the network, this fantasy series or series of collection of series by Brandon Sanderson.
01:41:39 --> 01:41:44 [UNKNOWN]: And he is known for writing in a way that's called the Sandor Letch.
01:41:45 --> 01:41:52 [UNKNOWN]: And the Sandra Lynch is he, he lays out all his exposition throughout the book.
01:41:53 --> 01:41:53 [UNKNOWN]: It's engaging still.
01:41:53 --> 01:41:57 [UNKNOWN]: I finally started, as I said, a non-willed time book to follow along with the podcast.
01:41:57 --> 01:42:09 [UNKNOWN]: But I know that at the end of all of his books, because I have a red-eds-willed time books too, he will bring all of this exposition together in what's called the Sandra Lynch and your mind's just blown, you're like, well,
01:42:10 --> 01:42:14 [UNKNOWN]: I don't fit together and it all informs each other and all this stuff is happening.
01:42:15 --> 01:42:26 [UNKNOWN]: And that is how we've seen the first two seasons of silo play out as well, so I'm waiting like what's the standard lunch waiting behind like this sort of
01:42:27 --> 01:42:29 [UNKNOWN]: suggestions of what's going on that we're seeing.
01:42:30 --> 01:42:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so in episode 10 we see what's really been going on all the time.
01:42:33 --> 01:42:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's what I think.
01:42:35 --> 01:42:36 [UNKNOWN]: That's what I think.
01:42:37 --> 01:42:38 [UNKNOWN]: Any more thoughts about the Sims?
01:42:39 --> 01:42:39 [UNKNOWN]: Nope.
01:42:40 --> 01:42:43 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, then let's move on to a lift in light bulb gate.
01:42:45 --> 01:42:54 [UNKNOWN]: Head of Mechanical Dietanox, Shamic Ray, knocks on a door, and his father Gus, William Hope answers, surprised to see the son he's been hiding from for years.
01:42:55 --> 01:43:01 [UNKNOWN]: Knox wants to know what his father designed for head of mines at Harwood to buy this fresh start for himself.
01:43:02 --> 01:43:10 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to know of Harwood had anything to do with the supply theft, but all he walks away with is the satisfaction of punching his asshole father in the face.
01:43:11 --> 01:43:18 [UNKNOWN]: Knox returns later with Sheriff Paul Billings, Chinoza Uche, and Deputy Hank Murphy, Billy Postalthoite, as backup.
01:43:19 --> 01:43:27 [UNKNOWN]: They tell Gus that a girl has been murdered and Gus swears with seeming genuine surprise that he doesn't know anything about that.
01:43:27 --> 01:43:33 [UNKNOWN]: And Billings emphasizes that the survival of the entire silo is at stake when it comes to the stolen lightbulbs.
01:43:34 --> 01:43:42 [UNKNOWN]: In exchange for a promiscus won't be persecuted for his machine design, he relents and shows his design to the others.
01:43:42 --> 01:43:55 [UNKNOWN]: Billings takes the design to head of supply at Carlemaclain, Claire Perkins, and the two of them Hank and Knox search, construction supply for a secret room or shaft, finally finding a hidden elevator.
01:43:55 --> 01:44:03 [UNKNOWN]: They take the elevator to the mines, surprising at Harwood, Ned Dennehy, and he tells them the theft started during the rebellion.
01:44:03 --> 01:44:08 [UNKNOWN]: He wanted to make sure key supplies like the lightbulbs remain safe from potential looters.
01:44:09 --> 01:44:21 [UNKNOWN]: Harwood insists absolutely, though, that neither he nor his daughter killed Orla Kent, and he hands over the name Mike Davidson, Chris Fulton, instead, and Hank and Billings arrest Mike.
01:44:22 --> 01:44:28 [UNKNOWN]: Billings later tells his wife Kathleen, Caitlyn Zaz, how the case turned out and that he told orless sister about the arrest.
01:44:29 --> 01:44:37 [UNKNOWN]: Paul and Kathleen share that they've been feeling lonely because though they had allies through their recent experiences, they didn't have each other.
01:44:38 --> 01:44:56 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, just the point now, they search in construction supply rather than critical supply because of that moment from episode one of this season where Billings overheard Orla telling Juliette that construction supply is how she thought things were being moved around.
01:44:58 --> 01:44:59 [UNKNOWN]: But are you satisfied with this?
01:45:00 --> 01:45:04 [UNKNOWN]: Like how do we believe that Mike did the murder?
01:45:06 --> 01:45:06 [UNKNOWN]: to begin with.
01:45:06 --> 01:45:08 [UNKNOWN]: This is the whole thing.
01:45:09 --> 01:45:13 [UNKNOWN]: This plot seems to get wrapped up really, really quickly.
01:45:13 --> 01:45:15 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think it is wrapped up as my question?
01:45:16 --> 01:45:24 [UNKNOWN]: Why that I'm not sure because the whole way it's the whole way it seemed to conclude was just as a way of demonstrating.
01:45:24 --> 01:45:26 [UNKNOWN]: Look, they've got this elevator to the they built.
01:45:27 --> 01:45:32 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm assuming that gets used in some way in the next two episodes.
01:45:33 --> 01:45:38 [UNKNOWN]: But like, I know, so Edward actually turning out was to be a good guy.
01:45:38 --> 01:45:38 [UNKNOWN]: Is he?
01:45:39 --> 01:45:42 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, do we believe his explanation?
01:45:43 --> 01:45:44 [UNKNOWN]: And where are the lightbulbs?
01:45:44 --> 01:45:46 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, where are the lightbulbs?
01:45:47 --> 01:45:51 [UNKNOWN]: But also surely this lift had to be built long before the rebellion.
01:45:51 --> 01:45:54 [UNKNOWN]: Because then that would have been hard to build.
01:45:55 --> 01:46:04 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because when we know that he said that Knox's dad died two years ago, so so presumably, yeah, that's when he.
01:46:04 --> 01:46:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a least two years ago.
01:46:08 --> 01:46:15 [UNKNOWN]: Well, presumably two years ago, exactly, because that's when he gave him the designs and exchange for, well, a death alias.
01:46:16 --> 01:46:17 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess, but.
01:46:20 --> 01:46:44 [UNKNOWN]: not just daddles or talks about there was there were like one evening when he and Ed Harwood were drinking and they came up with the idea so I'm not sure like how much time I lost between them having the idea and them actually acting on it I guess is one so yeah he did say he came back later and was like yeah that idea you had that yeah yeah but yeah so yeah the the lift was
01:46:47 --> 01:46:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I would say at least two years, and that editing cut last episode that I was wondering about after Knox asked the name of the dead man.
01:46:55 --> 01:46:58 [UNKNOWN]: His father replaced, I think, yeah, it's not that the name is important.
01:46:58 --> 01:47:00 [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, we don't learn it.
01:47:00 --> 01:47:03 [UNKNOWN]: It's just that that's how Knox found his father in the silo.
01:47:04 --> 01:47:05 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, that makes sense.
01:47:05 --> 01:47:07 [UNKNOWN]: That concludes that mystery for me.
01:47:08 --> 01:47:11 [UNKNOWN]: I did have one moment that may be go who?
01:47:12 --> 01:47:13 [UNKNOWN]: What?
01:47:13 --> 01:47:14 [UNKNOWN]: Which is when
01:47:15 --> 01:47:23 [UNKNOWN]: When Ed Hardwood did, when Ed Hardwood is sitting in his office, something like a buzzing thing goes off.
01:47:23 --> 01:47:27 [UNKNOWN]: That looks a little bit like the key fog that the head of IT has.
01:47:27 --> 01:47:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, he had an alert set up.
01:47:31 --> 01:47:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, I wonder whether that was to tell him the elevator was coming.
01:47:37 --> 01:47:42 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know it was to tell him the elevator was coming, but I thought it was interesting and then it kind of looked like that key fog.
01:47:44 --> 01:47:49 [UNKNOWN]: How would you think the connection would be other than just it being technology to alert?
01:47:49 --> 01:47:53 [UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm just thinking what if what if they can make those?
01:47:55 --> 01:47:59 [UNKNOWN]: What if they make a replacement keyfob for the head of IT?
01:48:00 --> 01:48:03 [UNKNOWN]: And then you stood out.
01:48:03 --> 01:48:05 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure about that, but what if
01:48:07 --> 01:48:16 [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure I hadn't, I hadn't thought that far, but I just thought it was interesting that they can make something that looks very similar to that keyflow.
01:48:18 --> 01:48:23 [UNKNOWN]: Jumping back though to Knox's dad, what did you think of him?
01:48:23 --> 01:48:25 [UNKNOWN]: Do you think he's as bad as he was painted out to be?
01:48:25 --> 01:48:26 [UNKNOWN]: Like, how did you find me?
01:48:26 --> 01:48:31 [UNKNOWN]: Your friends aren't as friendly as you think, which apparently this guy's addicted to everyone as whole life.
01:48:31 --> 01:48:33 [UNKNOWN]: So why would anyone be loyal to him?
01:48:33 --> 01:48:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:35 --> 01:48:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:48:36 --> 01:48:39 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we didn't see a lot of nooks in here.
01:48:40 --> 01:48:48 [UNKNOWN]: to be honest, um, he didn't come across as a bit of a dick, but I'm unprepared to take Digan Knox's word that he is infected with it.
01:48:49 --> 01:48:53 [UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the, um, all my life I wanted to ask you one question.
01:48:53 --> 01:48:54 [UNKNOWN]: How does it taste?
01:48:54 --> 01:48:55 [UNKNOWN]: Taste?
01:48:56 --> 01:48:57 [UNKNOWN]: What do you, what the fuck are you talking about, punchy?
01:48:59 --> 01:49:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like you put in the show notes.
01:49:01 --> 01:49:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, is there a boxing ring somewhere in the silo?
01:49:04 --> 01:49:08 [UNKNOWN]: Because, yeah, Nox has got a pretty decent right hook on him.
01:49:09 --> 01:49:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we've seen it a few times now.
01:49:11 --> 01:49:11 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:12 --> 01:49:16 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's something like boxing is a sport you could absolutely do in the silo.
01:49:17 --> 01:49:17 [UNKNOWN]: It is.
01:49:18 --> 01:49:23 [UNKNOWN]: Like you could not do soccer or football or what it or it feels sports or out.
01:49:23 --> 01:49:24 [UNKNOWN]: Ice hockey, totally.
01:49:24 --> 01:49:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like, yeah, but like boxing wrestling,
01:49:28 --> 01:49:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they've seen that they do the stair races.
01:49:30 --> 01:49:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, also did, this probably just me, but I'm starting to home boy named Sue in the whole scene.
01:49:39 --> 01:49:39 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, really?
01:49:39 --> 01:49:39 [UNKNOWN]: Why?
01:49:40 --> 01:49:51 [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, the whole journey cash they give, you know, the whole story of a boy named Sue is, you know, guy finds his dad who called them Sue and he punks and they get in a fight.
01:49:52 --> 01:49:54 [UNKNOWN]: That's like the whole, the whole stuff.
01:49:54 --> 01:49:54 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's the same.
01:49:55 --> 01:49:55 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:49:58 --> 01:49:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:49:59 --> 01:50:02 [UNKNOWN]: I just wonder about like this whole elevator idea.
01:50:02 --> 01:50:13 [UNKNOWN]: I would think the pact for bidding the use of lift technology would have given more engineers this thought through the years, maybe the first ones who went.
01:50:13 --> 01:50:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think it's that they had the thought.
01:50:15 --> 01:50:18 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's that they had the gumption to actually do it.
01:50:19 --> 01:50:30 [UNKNOWN]: But then the question is, if they're moving things by elevator, but the elevator connects to inside the minds, why was Glenda walking into the minds through the front door in that video?
01:50:31 --> 01:50:37 [UNKNOWN]: So I'm sure that explains how she got all those level in 10 minutes, but then she was walking in through the front door.
01:50:39 --> 01:50:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't think this story line entirely ties together to be honest.
01:50:47 --> 01:50:49 [UNKNOWN]: Well, what did I say about let's wait?
01:50:49 --> 01:50:53 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I can only comment on what's going to be.
01:50:53 --> 01:51:01 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but let's not jump to because this is one I honestly, other cases I do know that there's things that we don't know yet that haven't been told on screen.
01:51:01 --> 01:51:03 [UNKNOWN]: In this case, I don't know.
01:51:03 --> 01:51:06 [UNKNOWN]: what we haven't been told yet because this is a new storyline.
01:51:06 --> 01:51:13 [UNKNOWN]: But I've learned to trust the process and wait until at least the season is done before I decide.
01:51:13 --> 01:51:13 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:51:15 --> 01:51:28 [UNKNOWN]: Um, by the way, when Harwood gets that buzz and he goes into the tunnels to the elevator, if you take a closer look at the couple, he passes when he walks into, he goes down the stairs and then walks into a tunnel.
01:51:29 --> 01:51:30 [UNKNOWN]: He passes a couple.
01:51:30 --> 01:51:36 [UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure this is the cameo by bookwriter Hugh Howie and his wife, Shay Lonsver.
01:51:38 --> 01:51:51 [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, yeah, you sent me the the photo of you, how we at and as wife in in the WhatsApp and yeah, they they look kind of they look kind of minorly Yeah, overalls and sort of faces
01:51:54 --> 01:52:13 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he said because he did a cameo also and he was in someone in mechanical in in season one watching Julia go out to clean and he said I guess my character got into some trouble after that because he's in mine's now I just think it was funny when he's like
01:52:14 --> 01:52:16 [UNKNOWN]: Oh fuck, I told you not to come up here.
01:52:16 --> 01:52:20 [UNKNOWN]: The sheriff is, oh, like, the sheriff's, what, Mr. Harwell?
01:52:20 --> 01:52:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll be the sheriff.
01:52:22 --> 01:52:25 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, so Billings with a dry call went like, that's how it could be.
01:52:25 --> 01:52:26 [UNKNOWN]: I'll actually hit it right.
01:52:26 --> 01:52:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:52:28 --> 01:52:39 [UNKNOWN]: Um, but I will say, like, as far as the theft stuff, I think that's far from over because I don't think I buy at Harvard's story, like, you know, feelings was like, that sounds nice.
01:52:39 --> 01:52:41 [UNKNOWN]: But okay, let's move on to the murder.
01:52:41 --> 01:52:43 [UNKNOWN]: But again, as I said, where's this stuff?
01:52:43 --> 01:52:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's see the lot, Bob.
01:52:46 --> 01:52:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I think I do believe on the murder side that, you know, they said, okay, the murder motive is that they're afraid she was going to turn them in for stealing or building a relic that could get them sent out to clean.
01:52:59 --> 01:53:07 [UNKNOWN]: But we saw in the first episode, we saw that she said, she, Mike is the one that she told.
01:53:07 --> 01:53:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think I figured something out and then she disappeared.
01:53:12 --> 01:53:20 [UNKNOWN]: I think Ed Glenda and Mike are all guilty of theft, but I think Mike might be the only one guilty of murder.
01:53:20 --> 01:53:28 [UNKNOWN]: And I just hope that Dandy the Doggy is okay and has been re-homed and renamed because Dandy is a stupid name.
01:53:29 --> 01:53:32 [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
01:53:33 --> 01:53:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Carla can take him out.
01:53:34 --> 01:53:36 [UNKNOWN]: Carla and Martha can have a doggy now.
01:53:37 --> 01:53:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:53:38 --> 01:53:40 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, another, they'd be awesome.
01:53:40 --> 01:53:43 [UNKNOWN]: They'd be awesome as that parents for the dog.
01:53:45 --> 01:53:50 [UNKNOWN]: And then, you know, a Billings emphasizes he told Oralith Sister nothing about the lifting or the lightbulbs.
01:53:50 --> 01:53:52 [UNKNOWN]: So there are still some secrets in the side, though.
01:53:53 --> 01:53:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:53:54 --> 01:54:00 [UNKNOWN]: But I'm glad to see this seems might be on the outs, but the Billings seem like they're back on the right track.
01:54:01 --> 01:54:07 [UNKNOWN]: Well, we mentioned in the last episode that Chinoza Uchain, Caitlin Zazara, actually, are actually married.
01:54:07 --> 01:54:10 [UNKNOWN]: Which led me on to, is the baby?
01:54:10 --> 01:54:12 [UNKNOWN]: Is the baby that they've gotten silent?
01:54:12 --> 01:54:13 [UNKNOWN]: Actually, they're baby.
01:54:14 --> 01:54:15 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't know about that.
01:54:15 --> 01:54:16 [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
01:54:16 --> 01:54:17 [UNKNOWN]: We can look that up.
01:54:17 --> 01:54:19 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:54:19 --> 01:54:20 [UNKNOWN]: I can't find anything about it.
01:54:21 --> 01:54:22 [UNKNOWN]: I would guess not.
01:54:23 --> 01:54:23 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:54:24 --> 01:54:26 [UNKNOWN]: There would just be my general guess from
01:54:27 --> 01:54:28 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
01:54:28 --> 01:54:30 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not impossible.
01:54:30 --> 01:54:30 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
01:54:30 --> 01:54:30 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
01:54:31 --> 01:54:32 [UNKNOWN]: If anyone knows that is now.
01:54:32 --> 01:54:33 [UNKNOWN]: Just as though, anyway.
01:54:33 --> 01:54:35 [UNKNOWN]: They don't put the babies in the credits.
01:54:35 --> 01:54:36 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say that.
01:54:36 --> 01:54:37 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
01:54:37 --> 01:54:38 [UNKNOWN]: Just as though.
01:54:39 --> 01:54:43 [UNKNOWN]: Any more thoughts about this whole plot line for this episode?
01:54:43 --> 01:54:43 [UNKNOWN]: Nope.
01:54:44 --> 01:54:45 [UNKNOWN]: Alright.
01:54:45 --> 01:54:49 [UNKNOWN]: Let's take one final break and then finish our silo-18 story.
01:54:52 --> 01:54:54 [UNKNOWN]: So a link in the larger network.
01:54:54 --> 01:55:06 [UNKNOWN]: Former Head of IT Bernard Holland, Tim Robbins, draws a schematic of the silo layout for meridually at Nichols, Rebecca Ferguson, and they discuss how they believe the safeguard pipe network must work.
01:55:06 --> 01:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: Bernard argues that if they can cap the pipe in their silo, this will give them leverage to get the voice to listen to them so that they can have a conversation to find out why silo one believes the safeguard network and memory reset is necessary in the first place.
01:55:22 --> 01:55:30 [UNKNOWN]: Now that Lucas has passed on with they learned about the pipe in silo 17, the silo vendors are ready to enact the same plan in 18.
01:55:31 --> 01:55:34 [UNKNOWN]: Engineers, Shirley Campbell, Remi Milner, plans to be the one to do the deed.
01:55:35 --> 01:55:43 [UNKNOWN]: Her plan is to pinch the pipe, sealing it before they even saw into it, and then capping it off after as a safeguard of their own.
01:55:44 --> 01:55:49 [UNKNOWN]: They'll need to use a hammer drill, though, which will create a sound that is anything but subtle.
01:55:49 --> 01:56:04 [UNKNOWN]: So, Shirley plans to not hide what they're doing, but rather get someone to pose as a GWP supervisor to inspect the pipe and order the work to stop the level from flooding allegedly.
01:56:05 --> 01:56:12 [UNKNOWN]: As for who will play the supervisor role, Sandy, Chie-Pol-Chung is one of the least known faces in the silo.
01:56:13 --> 01:56:20 [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say on the discord, Marcus S said, I think GWP stands for Ground Water Pipes, which makes sense.
01:56:21 --> 01:56:28 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that makes sense to me too, Marcus, but I just wish on screen that they would actually say what the acronym is to do.
01:56:29 --> 01:56:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm satisfied with this.
01:56:32 --> 01:56:44 [UNKNOWN]: So, okay, so we learn that there's seven clusters of silos in a circle around silo one, and each of those clusters has seven silos in it, which is another six centered around one.
01:56:45 --> 01:56:49 [UNKNOWN]: So that's, yeah, seven clusters of 749 silos, one in the middle, that's 50.
01:56:52 --> 01:57:04 [UNKNOWN]: I promise not to talk about trailers here, but I just say I think it's fair to say that we can expect a more exact map of this at some point which we can analyze and more detail then, but basically what,
01:57:04 --> 01:57:20 [UNKNOWN]: is set up here is Julia and Bernard think that the pipes with the bad air are sent through the nearest silo in each cluster which in the silo 18 cluster silo 18 is the nearest
01:57:24 --> 01:57:28 [UNKNOWN]: And then from there, the pipes split and go to the other Tyler.
01:57:28 --> 01:57:41 [UNKNOWN]: So it means if they can cap the pipe that goes into silo 18, they are not only preventing them from using the safeguard in 18, but they are preventing them from using the eight safeguard in the other.
01:57:43 --> 01:57:48 [UNKNOWN]: five way, what is it five surviving silos, assuming they're all except for 17 surviving.
01:57:49 --> 01:57:57 [UNKNOWN]: So that's why they say, you know, basically we force them to listen and force them to explain pretty much.
01:57:57 --> 01:58:00 [UNKNOWN]: Would it, yeah, would, does that make sense to you?
01:58:01 --> 01:58:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, that makes sense.
01:58:04 --> 01:58:20 [UNKNOWN]: where you gratified to hear, for Nard, he's angry, extra angry with silo one, because I think he's also angry with himself and projecting that direction too because he says he did these terrible things thinking they were justified.
01:58:21 --> 01:58:31 [UNKNOWN]: And then Lucas went and told him about the safeguard and he realized everything he believed is bullshit and that he killed meadows for nothing, basically.
01:58:31 --> 01:58:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because gratified to hear him address that.
01:58:35 --> 01:58:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because what banana thinks he's, what banana thinks he's done is he thinks everything he's done is to stop a rebellion and to stop people opening the side of the lady and getting out and killing everybody.
01:58:49 --> 01:58:54 [UNKNOWN]: But the fact is that everybody in that side could be killed at any moment
01:59:00 --> 01:59:02 [UNKNOWN]: So, like, what was the point of that all?
01:59:03 --> 01:59:12 [UNKNOWN]: And I do think it's worth going back over what was Benad's original motivation for doing all this stuff.
01:59:13 --> 01:59:23 [UNKNOWN]: Because at the end of the day, it comes down to try the utilitarian calculation of trying to keep the maximum number of people alive
01:59:29 --> 01:59:39 [UNKNOWN]: And now, like he said in episode 10 of season two, none of that matters, because they could just all be killed at any minute, and they don't know why.
01:59:39 --> 01:59:53 [UNKNOWN]: And I think actually, the more interesting thing the Bernard says is, he's prepared to conceive the possibility the silo one might actually have a good reason for wanting to kill everybody.
01:59:54 --> 01:59:57 [UNKNOWN]: He just wants to cap the pipe in order to have a conversation with them.
01:59:58 --> 02:00:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he doesn't seem to really believe it, but he's like, let's talk to them first, which I think is reasonable.
02:00:02 --> 02:00:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's at least continue the possibility that there might be a reasonable reason why they want to commit mass murder.
02:00:11 --> 02:00:12 [UNKNOWN]: Let's hear them out.
02:00:12 --> 02:00:12 [UNKNOWN]: Let's hear them out.
02:00:13 --> 02:00:15 [UNKNOWN]: Look first, we have to force them to speak.
02:00:16 --> 02:00:20 [UNKNOWN]: But that sounds stupid, but that is absolutely, but not, well, do you?
02:00:21 --> 02:00:28 [UNKNOWN]: The end, the ends might justify the means if I understood what the ends were.
02:00:28 --> 02:00:29 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:00:30 --> 02:00:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:31 --> 02:00:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, exactly.
02:00:32 --> 02:00:40 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, finally, after how many years of being head of IT, he's developed a little freaking curiosity.
02:00:40 --> 02:00:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:41 --> 02:00:46 [UNKNOWN]: I like the whole thing about the whole thing about Mary Meadows.
02:00:50 --> 02:00:52 [UNKNOWN]: Like, that's the same way as everybody else.
02:00:53 --> 02:00:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:00:53 --> 02:00:58 [UNKNOWN]: You're not, you're not, you're not some unique stuff like Bernard's brother.
02:00:59 --> 02:01:05 [UNKNOWN]: He didn't think he had the right to love her, I think.
02:01:05 --> 02:01:06 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:01:06 --> 02:01:11 [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if we can ever get Jean Arjan to say this, I hate this, what?
02:01:11 --> 02:01:18 [UNKNOWN]: Not hating you, anyone doesn't know Arjan is a noted family Sims and Bernard Hader.
02:01:18 --> 02:01:20 [UNKNOWN]: Exactly, exactly, a lot like,
02:01:20 --> 02:01:36 [UNKNOWN]: If it's, I think, more so family sims than Vanard actually, but yeah, if we can turn genre around on the family sims that I believe in the infinite perfectibility of human nature of that.
02:01:36 --> 02:01:37 [UNKNOWN]: That's a test for the writers.
02:01:37 --> 02:01:39 [UNKNOWN]: Can they make songs for you?
02:01:39 --> 02:01:40 [UNKNOWN]: Bernard and the family sims.
02:01:43 --> 02:01:47 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and then this brings us to the last section for this episode, pregnant and pinned up.
02:01:48 --> 02:02:02 [UNKNOWN]: After Shirley heads off for Operation Kappa Pipe, Julia realizes, based on the direction their outside camera's point, that their silo must actually be oriented in a different direction than their next door neighbors.
02:02:02 --> 02:02:09 [UNKNOWN]: So she rushes off to warn Shirley not to break into the wrong panel, and as she does so,
02:02:13 --> 02:02:21 [UNKNOWN]: As the two women walk and talk up the stairs, Sandy radios them speaking and code, but slipping in the name Ralph Melby.
02:02:22 --> 02:02:35 [UNKNOWN]: Juliet realizes this was the name of one of the men Bernard and Robert tried to implicate along with Patrick Kennedy to cover up their role in the murder of deputy mines in season one when Juliet and Sandy were working together.
02:02:36 --> 02:02:40 [UNKNOWN]: This was a code to alert Juliet that something was a miss.
02:02:41 --> 02:02:46 [UNKNOWN]: As new judicial goon number one, Emerson, Florian Claire, is listening in.
02:02:46 --> 02:02:50 [UNKNOWN]: Sandy is arrested on the spot and sent to judicial seclusion.
02:02:51 --> 02:02:58 [UNKNOWN]: And Juliet knows they're coming for her next and tells Shirley to get away from her so that she can continue all with the plan.
02:02:58 --> 02:03:02 [UNKNOWN]: And Juliet is arrested and thrown in judicial seclusion with Robert.
02:03:02 --> 02:03:09 [UNKNOWN]: the rest of the sila ventures are in a panic and knocks suggests going back to the old plan and blowing up judishl.
02:03:11 --> 02:03:16 [UNKNOWN]: So are we glad first of all that Juliette and Shirley finally get to talk about Shirley's pregnancy?
02:03:16 --> 02:03:21 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I thought the whole thing with Shirley explaining how they
02:03:29 --> 02:03:40 [UNKNOWN]: I love that Julia just noticed by the way Shirley was adjusting her belt bag and she's like like Julia said she's been around a lot of pregnant people.
02:03:41 --> 02:03:43 [UNKNOWN]: At least in her childhood before she's mechanical.
02:03:44 --> 02:03:51 [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, it seems confirmed, surely, a nox, unsanctioned relationship, unsanctioned pregnancy.
02:03:51 --> 02:03:59 [UNKNOWN]: I guess they thought the silo might just be more relaxed with numbers after the rebellion, like, what was they thought they could get away with it?
02:03:59 --> 02:04:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that they appear to have stolen some anaesthetic from a dentist, I think she says.
02:04:05 --> 02:04:10 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, Knox was doing a bit of home bit of DIY surgery.
02:04:11 --> 02:04:13 [UNKNOWN]: She's, you would have loved it.
02:04:14 --> 02:04:17 [UNKNOWN]: He cried and cried, oh, sure, all I'm so sorry.
02:04:17 --> 02:04:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Knox knows him.
02:04:20 --> 02:04:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's like, I can't feel a thing.
02:04:26 --> 02:04:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that was a sweet moment between the two of them.
02:04:30 --> 02:04:33 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good to see Julia and Shirley fully made up.
02:04:33 --> 02:04:39 [UNKNOWN]: And now, okay, I first I was like, why would you put Julia and Robert in the same room?
02:04:39 --> 02:04:42 [UNKNOWN]: But I figure it's probably the same trick.
02:04:42 --> 02:04:49 [UNKNOWN]: as putting Carla and Martha in the same cell last season when Bernard was trying to get them to talk to each other and spill the plan.
02:04:50 --> 02:04:52 [UNKNOWN]: I assume that's the idea now.
02:04:52 --> 02:04:56 [UNKNOWN]: All the judicial supplies you could just be getting a bit crowded at this point.
02:04:57 --> 02:05:02 [UNKNOWN]: Probably crowded too, but but I I got putting those two together in particular.
02:05:02 --> 02:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: I assume it's because there's a camera on them and it's like, yeah, no, please do talk about your plans.
02:05:07 --> 02:05:07 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:05:08 --> 02:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: And then Camille says to Robert, you made your choice, but something about this still makes me up Camille, I believe in you.
02:05:14 --> 02:05:15 [UNKNOWN]: I believe you're fake in all this.
02:05:15 --> 02:05:19 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, I mean, my nose does Robert know if she is.
02:05:20 --> 02:05:25 [UNKNOWN]: I would, I would not be staggered if we got to episode 10 and that was the, that was the denumer.
02:05:26 --> 02:05:28 [UNKNOWN]: Like I think it's a 50-50 call.
02:05:28 --> 02:05:29 [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a coin flip.
02:05:30 --> 02:05:31 [UNKNOWN]: Um, at the moment.
02:05:32 --> 02:05:32 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:05:34 --> 02:05:37 [UNKNOWN]: I have more judgment for Nox's.
02:05:37 --> 02:05:39 [UNKNOWN]: Let's go back to the old plan.
02:05:40 --> 02:05:49 [UNKNOWN]: And I understand that now they're like, okay, now we can't do the whole drilling into the wall thing because yet we can't pretend that it's maintenance work because they're on to us.
02:05:49 --> 02:05:50 [UNKNOWN]: So let's just blow it.
02:05:50 --> 02:05:51 [UNKNOWN]: But still.
02:05:52 --> 02:05:53 [UNKNOWN]: Stalk, it still doesn't work.
02:05:53 --> 02:05:55 [UNKNOWN]: You're still gonna gas like.
02:05:56 --> 02:05:57 [UNKNOWN]: hundreds of people at least.
02:05:58 --> 02:06:18 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I assume I'm thinking that it might come down to the same sort of thing that that Jimmy's mom did that it might be one person who ends up sacrificing themselves to seal themselves in and do the job in the same way that she did.
02:06:18 --> 02:06:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:06:19 --> 02:06:20 [UNKNOWN]: Who do you think it would be?
02:06:22 --> 02:06:25 [UNKNOWN]: Not surely, but there's no way, sure, pregnant surely.
02:06:25 --> 02:06:26 [UNKNOWN]: No.
02:06:27 --> 02:06:27 [UNKNOWN]: Nox?
02:06:27 --> 02:06:31 [UNKNOWN]: A nox, yeah, I'm thinking nox.
02:06:33 --> 02:06:36 [UNKNOWN]: Maybe Patrick Kennedy, if he makes it back in time?
02:06:36 --> 02:06:37 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the thing.
02:06:37 --> 02:06:38 [UNKNOWN]: He's in the other silos.
02:06:38 --> 02:06:40 [UNKNOWN]: So how long do they want to wait?
02:06:40 --> 02:06:43 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's a big if.
02:06:45 --> 02:06:47 [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think you're also going down to Dambi, Dambi,
02:06:49 --> 02:06:54 [UNKNOWN]: Also, but he's not, yeah, he's not like wouldn't be better to have someone with welding.
02:06:55 --> 02:07:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, the one thing you would say about Knox is not only as a, not only as an expecting father, but he is still the head of mechanical.
02:07:03 --> 02:07:10 [UNKNOWN]: Like nobody knows the general well, actually, they say nobody knows generally about needless, but I should probably do the actors.
02:07:10 --> 02:07:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're still doing it.
02:07:12 --> 02:07:14 [UNKNOWN]: Although, yeah, this the shadow Cooper is
02:07:16 --> 02:07:36 [UNKNOWN]: gone so yeah um so we don't know where they have a new shadow yeah and whoever that shadow is gonna be pretty real pretty old maybe Teddy is the new shadow to be honest yeah possibly but yeah no they better not they better not sorry for oh god they are on me they're gonna decide to voice no I can see it now maybe
02:07:39 --> 02:07:44 [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, but I just yeah, they can't blowing it up is so stupid.
02:07:44 --> 02:07:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not only are Juliet, uh, Rob, uh, Sandy, which I don't think they've necessarily realized yet.
02:07:54 --> 02:07:57 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, Amy, they don't know her but she's in there too.
02:07:57 --> 02:08:05 [UNKNOWN]: And all the people above and below, but also I just, like they just didn't really have a proper containment plan for this either.
02:08:07 --> 02:08:09 [UNKNOWN]: the blowing it off idea remains to me.
02:08:09 --> 02:08:10 [UNKNOWN]: It's really dumb.
02:08:10 --> 02:08:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now it's just really, really dumb.
02:08:16 --> 02:08:23 [UNKNOWN]: But Martha Walker, Harriet Walters, has jewels would want them to do something and she doesn't intend to live long enough to forget her.
02:08:23 --> 02:08:33 [UNKNOWN]: I just think this is a way of ending the episode on a high note of tension, but I do think that it's going to turn into an individual sacrifice.
02:08:34 --> 02:08:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:36 --> 02:08:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I can't now we've actually talked about it.
02:08:40 --> 02:08:42 [UNKNOWN]: I can't see being anybody other than knocks.
02:08:43 --> 02:08:48 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I mean, maybe Teddy, but to be honest, from a storytelling perspective, it would be more meaningful if it was knocks, right?
02:08:48 --> 02:08:52 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think Teddy, sorry for myself.
02:08:52 --> 02:08:54 [UNKNOWN]: It was going to have a whole lot of impact.
02:08:54 --> 02:08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Store now.
02:08:55 --> 02:08:55 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:08:57 --> 02:09:02 [UNKNOWN]: Alright, well, I did pull, I've received and pulled some feedback, so let's get into that.
02:09:03 --> 02:09:06 [UNKNOWN]: Now opening the listener feedback channel.
02:09:08 --> 02:09:19 [UNKNOWN]: So, so, FYB says, we still haven't gotten an answer on what I think Orla's sister was talking about when she said it seemed like Orla had been carrying a burden which was suddenly lifted.
02:09:19 --> 02:09:28 [UNKNOWN]: Are we just supposed to infer that the burden was Carla asking her who was stealing from from critical supply and the knowledge that they only had two years of pilot?
02:09:28 --> 02:09:30 [UNKNOWN]: But then she worked out where it was going?
02:09:30 --> 02:09:31 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
02:09:31 --> 02:09:32 [UNKNOWN]: Is that what I think that's what it was?
02:09:33 --> 02:09:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's what it was.
02:09:34 --> 02:09:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:09:37 --> 02:09:44 [UNKNOWN]: The TCS says, listening to the pod was interested in the discussion about the U.S. Congress and British Parliament.
02:09:44 --> 02:09:57 [UNKNOWN]: I'm certainly not an expert, but based on what I know, Daniel would be protected on the House floor generally speaking as long as what he says is, quote unquote, in this fear of legitimate legislative activity.
02:09:57 --> 02:10:01 [UNKNOWN]: What's unusual here is that they have signed NDAs.
02:10:01 --> 02:10:06 [UNKNOWN]: This is different than being given access to classified information or at least it should be.
02:10:06 --> 02:10:12 [UNKNOWN]: Daniel as a congressman may, I'm not up on all the rules, be able to view certain classified information.
02:10:13 --> 02:10:15 [UNKNOWN]: Helen should not unless she got clearance.
02:10:16 --> 02:10:20 [UNKNOWN]: And herein lies the question, is this a private or a government activity?
02:10:20 --> 02:10:31 [UNKNOWN]: They said the lawyers were government lawyers and threatened sending them to Guantanamo, but NDAs are different than classified information, and clearly there are non-governmental funds at play.
02:10:32 --> 02:10:57 [UNKNOWN]: I guess it's possible it's a mix, which then really calls into question what Daniel could reveal in the floor of the house if he were so inclined if government funds are used and it can be tied to legislative activity, which if it's related to that committee Charlotte wanted him on it might be he should have some protection so we did get some more clarity here where pair claims to be funding this all in his own but
02:10:59 --> 02:11:06 [UNKNOWN]: Senator Thurman's involved and definitely as the TCS points out, government lawyers are involved, what do you think?
02:11:06 --> 02:11:06 [UNKNOWN]: Look.
02:11:07 --> 02:11:08 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:11:09 --> 02:11:23 [UNKNOWN]: And I presume it would be for the House Parliamentarian to decide whether what Daniel was saying would be legitimate legislative activity.
02:11:27 --> 02:11:33 [UNKNOWN]: It is the same men as the UK, UK House of House of Commons, but...
02:11:34 --> 02:11:59 [UNKNOWN]: Just because I'm a nerd for this kind of thing of the chaos commons, there is technically the same carve out that it has to be legitimate legislative activity, but speakers and the cloaks office, which is the British name for the parliamentarian, I've always taken a very broad interpretation of what counts as legitimate legislative,
02:12:00 --> 02:12:01 [UNKNOWN]: activity.
02:12:02 --> 02:12:11 [UNKNOWN]: And I think if any public funds, any taxpayer funds were involved,
02:12:11 --> 02:12:30 [UNKNOWN]: so that could even be something, that could even be something as tangential, as say the contractors running the diggers being a federal funds for other projects, then you might be able to rule that, as being legislatively, germane.
02:12:30 --> 02:12:33 [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, I think we're getting off into 11 of data.
02:12:33 --> 02:12:36 [UNKNOWN]: It isn't really required to enjoy the show to be honest.
02:12:38 --> 02:12:41 [UNKNOWN]: um well uh the TCS continues.
02:12:42 --> 02:12:47 [UNKNOWN]: I can comfortably say that Helen would most likely be held accountable if she wrote something in violation of an NDA.
02:12:48 --> 02:12:50 [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah I've got another question that is Dan.
02:12:50 --> 02:12:54 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah no yeah that was more I asked the TCS team to elaborate on that.
02:12:55 --> 02:13:05 [UNKNOWN]: Um, you are right that the law surrounding was Congress, people can, what Congress people can say is Mercury, or I think the key would be if it's related to congressional business.
02:13:05 --> 02:13:14 [UNKNOWN]: If a Congress person has signed an NDA about something that was not part of any legitimate business of Congress, then I'm pretty sure the speech and debate clause would not apply.
02:13:15 --> 02:13:19 [UNKNOWN]: For Daniel, it would matter if any of this is involved in Congress at all.
02:13:19 --> 02:13:24 [UNKNOWN]: This is where that, and I think it was the Iran Committee would come into play.
02:13:24 --> 02:13:27 [UNKNOWN]: And then I'd wonder if he would need to be involved in it.
02:13:28 --> 02:13:32 [UNKNOWN]: All bets are off for classified information, though, which I know is not your question.
02:13:33 --> 02:13:35 [UNKNOWN]: Also, I have absolutely no expertise in this area.
02:13:35 --> 02:13:42 [UNKNOWN]: I'm just a bit of a government nerd who used to teach government rarely where our issues this complex in class.
02:13:42 --> 02:13:47 [UNKNOWN]: And I said this should be absolutely classroom teaching in this so show silo.
02:13:47 --> 02:13:54 [UNKNOWN]: And there is a nice conversation on the discord about people, what they would show for their various subjects they taught in class.
02:13:57 --> 02:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: Any more thoughts you want to add on this?
02:13:59 --> 02:14:02 [UNKNOWN]: No, I think we've got off into a level of detail.
02:14:02 --> 02:14:04 [UNKNOWN]: It really is required to enjoy the show.
02:14:05 --> 02:14:08 [UNKNOWN]: OK, but we do have a couple more pieces of feedback.
02:14:08 --> 02:14:16 [UNKNOWN]: Gabby says, dear Alicia and Luke, watching this episode and listening to your discussion, the conversation between, and this is the last episode, by the way, episode seven, of course.
02:14:17 --> 02:14:32 [UNKNOWN]: The conversation between Helen and Dr. Cernkravitch got me thinking of a season three episode two and Helen's initial comments about his experiments on, quote, prisoner populations and countries too indebted to USA just say no.
02:14:33 --> 02:14:37 [UNKNOWN]: And DOD first year recruits who don't get a say in their medical treatment.
02:14:38 --> 02:14:44 [UNKNOWN]: I'm making the assumption that Victor experimented on others to perfect the drug he eventually used on himself.
02:14:45 --> 02:14:50 [UNKNOWN]: If that is true, I see him as a mad scientist, perhaps driven mad by grief.
02:14:51 --> 02:14:54 [UNKNOWN]: To me, this seems somewhat despicably driven by selfishness.
02:14:55 --> 02:14:59 [UNKNOWN]: What of all the people who got the drug before was ready for prime time?
02:14:59 --> 02:15:04 [UNKNOWN]: Helen says, he took a big blackboard eraser and wiped out their memories.
02:15:05 --> 02:15:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:15:06 --> 02:15:22 [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's, um, yeah, um, the interesting and correct to classify Victor as a mad scientist, but it hadn't even though I am quite into like the gothic Victorian literature in the, you know, 30s monster movies and stuff or mad scientist reign.
02:15:22 --> 02:15:32 [UNKNOWN]: I hadn't thought of him as such just because his temperament is not mad, you know, his temperament is, is kindly and, and controlled.
02:15:32 --> 02:15:38 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I do think this is one of the reasons why I'm so interested in him as a character these complexities.
02:15:39 --> 02:15:40 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:15:41 --> 02:15:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:15:44 --> 02:15:55 [UNKNOWN]: Gabby says, I think the door in the TV show are passageways to the other silos, and that's how they're going to get the kids back, and the stolen light bulbs are to light the tunnels that Harwood is digging to find a way out.
02:15:56 --> 02:15:56 [UNKNOWN]: What do you think of that?
02:15:57 --> 02:15:58 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that would be awesome, yeah.
02:15:59 --> 02:16:02 [UNKNOWN]: I'm definitely here for the tunnels trying to find a way out.
02:16:02 --> 02:16:03 [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
02:16:04 --> 02:16:11 [UNKNOWN]: Also regarding Anna and Charlotte, I think they had been in a relationship that started before Charlotte's mission.
02:16:11 --> 02:16:20 [UNKNOWN]: I think Anna asking Daniel's permission to visit Charlotte was because the relationship was secret and Anna needed a plausible reason to visit her.
02:16:21 --> 02:16:25 [UNKNOWN]: I buy into this, yeah, I buy that, I absolutely buy that.
02:16:25 --> 02:16:26 [UNKNOWN]: But then it means
02:16:28 --> 02:16:40 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, that means that Charlotte didn't remember her at first, but I've seen also people questioning could Anna have imprinted memories of her in Charlotte in Charlotte in that time.
02:16:40 --> 02:16:42 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, yeah, that'd be really evil.
02:16:44 --> 02:16:46 [UNKNOWN]: That would be really, really evil.
02:16:49 --> 02:16:49 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:16:50 --> 02:16:51 [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
02:16:52 --> 02:16:58 [UNKNOWN]: I think, yeah, there are definitely still, I need to know what is the meet queue between Anna and Charlotte.
02:16:58 --> 02:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they know each other.
02:16:59 --> 02:17:13 [UNKNOWN]: Like, because then my, I responded to Gabby and said, Quitative also been that Anna was Charlotte's source that let her know that the project was off.
02:17:13 --> 02:17:17 [UNKNOWN]: Although I don't know, because then would Anna have let Charlotte go through with it
02:17:21 --> 02:17:21 [UNKNOWN]: in the plane?
02:17:22 --> 02:17:23 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
02:17:24 --> 02:17:24 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:17:25 --> 02:17:26 [UNKNOWN]: Good question.
02:17:26 --> 02:17:27 [UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
02:17:28 --> 02:17:49 [UNKNOWN]: Now, if Anna could have like imprinted on her, that would be really, because yeah, that's like, that's the other problem with this thing that Victor is, that's what I was saying in my last episode, like, even if Victor was successful in restoring your memories, you would always question, were they actually accurate, were they actually your memories?
02:17:50 --> 02:17:50 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
02:17:51 --> 02:17:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:17:53 --> 02:17:54 [UNKNOWN]: You bring up good points, Gabby.
02:17:55 --> 02:17:58 [UNKNOWN]: She says I read all three books after binging the first two seasons.
02:17:58 --> 02:18:02 [UNKNOWN]: And then again, as a refresh before starting season three, love your podcast.
02:18:02 --> 02:18:03 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Gabby.
02:18:03 --> 02:18:04 [UNKNOWN]: Well, thank you, Gabby.
02:18:04 --> 02:18:06 [UNKNOWN]: These are great points of discussion.
02:18:07 --> 02:18:07 [UNKNOWN]: And
02:18:08 --> 02:18:13 [UNKNOWN]: Barb says, just listening to the pod, and I'm absolutely here for a three hour detection of my YouTube channel.
02:18:13 --> 02:18:14 [UNKNOWN]: So thank you.
02:18:14 --> 02:18:18 [UNKNOWN]: I might be wrong, but I don't think Bernard is using a cane.
02:18:18 --> 02:18:24 [UNKNOWN]: His arm and hand appear to be paralyzed and contracted on the burnt side when he was standing outside waiting for Julia.
02:18:24 --> 02:18:26 [UNKNOWN]: So okay, there.
02:18:26 --> 02:18:29 [UNKNOWN]: So regardless, Bernard seems to be healing out.
02:18:30 --> 02:18:30 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
02:18:31 --> 02:18:32 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I'll say, um,
02:18:33 --> 02:18:37 [UNKNOWN]: You want to shout out some blue sky feedback that we got.
02:18:38 --> 02:18:42 [UNKNOWN]: So I asked, who's stealing the light bulbs and what are they doing with them?
02:18:42 --> 02:18:43 [UNKNOWN]: Wrong answers.
02:18:43 --> 02:18:54 [UNKNOWN]: Only legendary bomba said, a group of farmers, engineers, minors, and porters are making grow houses for pot plants to enhance vitamin D plus efficiencies.
02:18:56 --> 02:19:04 [UNKNOWN]: question was who is Knox's daddy wrong answer offered legendary bomba said not hardwood but he's connected in it.
02:19:06 --> 02:19:17 [UNKNOWN]: What what artifact in your life would make a good silo relic slash memory trigger and legendary bomba says Pokemon Funko pop any an easy and shivan Logan says
02:19:19 --> 02:19:32 [UNKNOWN]: Will fall asleep mulling on what relic were the objects my life could hoard my dad's watch one of my hubby's random origami pieces my northern light snow globe thinking emoji Oh, I'm liking the origami.
02:19:32 --> 02:19:37 [UNKNOWN]: It's fair that very much like the little look charm that banana
02:19:38 --> 02:19:39 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
02:19:39 --> 02:19:40 [UNKNOWN]: The Ridgly's Ruffles.
02:19:40 --> 02:19:41 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
02:19:41 --> 02:19:52 [UNKNOWN]: So we'd still love to hear more of people's relics that they would, what would be your personal artifact to bring you back from the memory drug.
02:19:52 --> 02:19:57 [UNKNOWN]: You can send those thoughts to WillShift DustPodcast at gmail.com, link in the show notes.
02:19:59 --> 02:20:11 [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, we will sneak in some more feedback, particularly if you send it by email in the last two episodes, but then we will do a dedicated mailbag to wrap up the season after the season finale.
02:20:12 --> 02:20:18 [UNKNOWN]: So send in your thoughts, books, boilers are okay, but then those elements will be discussed in the book club episodes.
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02:20:35 --> 02:20:39 [UNKNOWN]: I'll say the book discussions chat is full spoilers.
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02:22:23 --> 02:22:31 [UNKNOWN]: Uh, so yeah, all that stuff linked in the show notes, including our blue sky and threads, profiles, where you can find Luke and I, Luke.
02:22:31 --> 02:22:33 [UNKNOWN]: Also, you are on the podcast.
02:22:33 --> 02:22:34 [UNKNOWN]: It could be said.
02:22:35 --> 02:22:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's a podcast I do with two friends from university.
02:22:38 --> 02:22:39 [UNKNOWN]: We'll go really in time and healthy.
02:22:40 --> 02:22:42 [UNKNOWN]: We record roughly once a month.
02:22:43 --> 02:22:50 [UNKNOWN]: We talk about all things British politics, world politics, sport, culture and whatever else takes our fancy.
02:22:51 --> 02:23:10 [UNKNOWN]: and uh... you can also find me on the lower house podcast the parent podcast uh... there there's earlier this week in that feed you'll find uh... house of the dragon season wrap up with david and show um... they're also beginning weekly lanterns coverage there have you watched the first episode of lanterns?
02:23:10 --> 02:23:11 [UNKNOWN]: no i haven't
02:23:11 --> 02:23:13 [UNKNOWN]: I do think you'll like that show.
02:23:13 --> 02:23:13 [UNKNOWN]: I recommend it to you.
02:23:14 --> 02:23:18 [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I will I will add it to the I will add it to the ever growing list.
02:23:18 --> 02:23:19 [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
02:23:19 --> 02:23:35 [UNKNOWN]: Also earlier this week we put out a Sprite or Man brand new day episode and there's additional episodes coming up with a Ted Lasso season check in with David and John and John and John and I will be covering X-Men 97 season 2 next week as well.
02:23:36 --> 02:24:00 [UNKNOWN]: So you can find all of that in the lorehounds.com link in the show notes where you're also find our affiliates, like Dungeons & Dragons, also just wrapped up House of the Dragon in beginning lanterns coverage, never mind the music, where music meets psychology, properly Howard just dropped a surprise obsession episode and Cosmere Corner, which I talked about earlier in this episode.
02:24:00 --> 02:24:01 [UNKNOWN]: Final thoughts from you Luke.
02:24:03 --> 02:24:17 [UNKNOWN]: uh we're looking forward to the last two episodes um i just hope done you and Helen are allowed to turn into great goo together and save dandy yeah and save dandy the dog yeah