EIII: ep 5 – The Acolyte S1-e1 – "Lost / Found"

[00:00:00] Welcome to a very special episode of the Star Wars Canon Timeline Podcast because...

[00:00:24] It's also an episode of The Lorhounds podcast.

[00:00:27] Since, of course, people want acolyte coverage on the Lorhounds, but this is also the major series I'm using to kick off the Star Wars Canon Timeline Podcast.

[00:00:34] It made sense to combine the two.

[00:00:36] So this episode and all acolyte weekly breakdowns will be released on both feeds, plus the Lorhounds Star Wars feed.

[00:00:43] And hi, by the way, I'm Elisha.

[00:00:46] And I'm John.

[00:00:47] And today we're breaking down the first two episodes of the new Star Wars series, The Acolyte.

[00:00:51] The first live-action Star Wars set outside the Skywalker saga taking place in the High Republic era 100 years before the prequel trilogy.

[00:01:02] Hey, future editor Elisha jumping in here for an update from the end of this episode just to set expectations up front.

[00:01:09] After going on for over an hour about just the first episode, we decided that we should put the conversation on pause and give the second episode its very own podcast breakdown, which we will get out tomorrow.

[00:01:21] Community feedback and that separate trailer-based speculation section we're about to mention will be included in the episode 2 breakdown.

[00:01:28] Okay, back to your previously recorded recording.

[00:01:32] We'll be following the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast spoiler rules, which means we might mention a character from later or vaguely reference a well-known event just for those who know those stories already.

[00:01:46] But we promise not to spoil any of the twists and turns.

[00:01:49] I promise to try not to.

[00:01:52] Don't worry, I'm editing so I'll bleep him out if he does.

[00:01:55] And we have also a couple subscriber-only episodes planned this season where Jon and I will go deeper into how this unfolding story connects with events later in the timeline.

[00:02:04] We'll tell you more about that later.

[00:02:06] We also have a small separate section after our episode breakdowns to discuss speculation based on trailers.

[00:02:12] We're partitioning that off for those of you who like to avoid that information.

[00:02:16] And we'll warn you before we get into that.

[00:02:19] For this episode, we're releasing the episode on all feeds at the same time.

[00:02:23] Starting next week, subscribers will get early access about one day before episodes hit the public.

[00:02:28] This is also true for the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast feed which will follow the same schedule.

[00:02:34] I am setting up the Canon Pad-1 Supercast now, but I will include a link already in the show notes as well as the usual Lorhouns link.

[00:02:42] And next week, I'll tell you a bit more about what's included in that Supercast.

[00:02:47] At the end of the episode, we'll also talk more about what's going on in the Lorhouns feed and the rest of the network this hot Lorh Summer.

[00:02:56] Check the link tree in the notes for links to all including our lively Discord where we're deep in acolyte discussion.

[00:03:03] And for the record, since we always note this on the Canon Timeline podcast,

[00:03:07] his conversation was recorded on June 6th, 2024, and everything is accurate on that date to the best of our knowledge.

[00:03:15] So, welcome, John. I'm excited to talk about the acolyte. How about you?

[00:03:19] I'm excited too. And I'm finally invited to the Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast feed.

[00:03:24] It's very exciting. I've gotten to listen to you and Dead Eye Jedi Bob mostly along with your other guests.

[00:03:30] And yeah, I'm excited to be here.

[00:03:32] Yeah, we've been planning this from the start, of course.

[00:03:36] And this, yeah, this is because it's a good era to launch this podcast, of course, the Canon Timeline,

[00:03:44] because it's like we're starting now with something new earlier on outside of what we've seen before.

[00:03:50] And we know that new is always better.

[00:03:52] Well, no.

[00:03:53] I'm just kidding.

[00:03:55] I also like to drink some member berries from time to time. And there's plenty in this too.

[00:04:00] Yeah, definitely.

[00:04:02] How would you describe this series overall? Would you say the premises?

[00:04:09] Oh, that's tough. I would say a murder mystery that gets solved in the first episode,

[00:04:17] but also has an underlying layer of mystery involving motivations.

[00:04:24] Yeah, I guess instead of a who done it, I'd call it a why done it.

[00:04:28] That's a good way to put it. I like that.

[00:04:33] It's a Disney Plus show, of course, like all Star Wars shows.

[00:04:35] And the showrunner is Leslie Headland.

[00:04:37] We talked about her more in the Acolyte Preview episode if you want to listen to that

[00:04:42] and the Canon Timeline feed.

[00:04:44] John, did you watch Russian Doll in Netflix?

[00:04:46] Not at all. I did not.

[00:04:49] Okay, I recommend it.

[00:04:50] I think you would like it too.

[00:04:51] It's kind of like a dark and twisty sci-fi mystery.

[00:04:57] Sounds fun.

[00:04:58] I will wait until after Hot Lore Summer to watch it, but it sounds good.

[00:05:02] Yeah, there's two seasons out so far and it's actually,

[00:05:05] there's a few characters from that show in this,

[00:05:08] but not Natasha Leon who's the star of that one.

[00:05:12] Right. Okay. Fun. I do like Natasha Leon.

[00:05:16] Yeah, me too.

[00:05:18] So the Acolytes will be the first season anyway.

[00:05:21] We'll be eight episodes.

[00:05:22] So we're talking about the first two today because they dropped together

[00:05:25] and then we're going to be talking about each one weekly over the next six weeks.

[00:05:31] So I'm going to barely acknowledge this,

[00:05:35] but just the rotten tomato situation is that there's 94% currently from the critics,

[00:05:42] meaning 94% of the reviews are leaning positive

[00:05:46] and 41% from quote unquote fans.

[00:05:50] But of course, this number is improving.

[00:05:53] It was worse before the episode launched when there were a lot of comments about women.

[00:05:58] So not really going to get into that, but that's where things stand.

[00:06:03] Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people who are upset that Star Wars doesn't look like it did in 1977

[00:06:10] as far as the actors and I'm not with them.

[00:06:15] I think that every performance in this has been great so far.

[00:06:19] Yeah, and this is about a whole wide galaxy.

[00:06:23] If you don't use actors from all over our small world,

[00:06:28] how are you going to recreate the feeling of the vastness and diversity,

[00:06:32] especially in the high republic, which is one of the most prosperous and diverse eras?

[00:06:36] Right, right.

[00:06:38] There's aliens all over.

[00:06:40] Why wouldn't humans be all different too?

[00:06:43] Suspend your disbelief, O'Weary Traveler.

[00:06:46] I mean what disbelief it is.

[00:06:48] No, I know.

[00:06:49] It just affects the real world, yeah.

[00:06:51] So on the Lorhounds podcast we use something called the Pukila Scale,

[00:06:56] which is where we decide whether how much more or less violent a show or movie is

[00:07:03] compared to the first season of Rings of Power.

[00:07:06] So what would be your Pukila ranking for this one, John?

[00:07:10] I think minus one.

[00:07:12] Really?

[00:07:13] It's got fights but they're not gory.

[00:07:16] And it's mostly, like this is definitely a show geared towards a YA audience, I would say.

[00:07:23] Okay.

[00:07:24] And so I don't think, well, I think anybody can enjoy it but I think as far as rating,

[00:07:31] this is really like a YA show.

[00:07:34] Okay.

[00:07:35] And I don't mean that in a negative way.

[00:07:37] I think it's exciting.

[00:07:38] I think it gives younger viewers sort of eyes to look through.

[00:07:41] Like PG.

[00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] And I think Marilyn could do this and she did actually.

[00:07:46] So I don't know why I'm questioning that.

[00:07:50] And Marilyn being the first name of, we'll talk, we'll hear from her in the feedback section.

[00:07:55] The one we always call our favorite Tolkien scholar because she is.

[00:07:59] So John, what's your hot take on these first two episodes?

[00:08:02] Spoiler free for now.

[00:08:03] We'll let everyone know.

[00:08:05] We're just going to, yeah, talk about the episodes first without spoilers

[00:08:09] for those who are still deciding whether or not to watch them.

[00:08:11] We'll let everyone know when we're going to open the can of spoiler worms.

[00:08:15] Yeah.

[00:08:16] So the few days leading up to this, I had been excited for this series for a long time,

[00:08:20] but the few days leading up to this, I was thinking, okay,

[00:08:24] High Republic not a lot to latch onto.

[00:08:27] I've read a little bit of the High Republic books, right?

[00:08:30] But I haven't even finished one of them.

[00:08:32] That's why I said a little bit, not a few.

[00:08:36] Would you read Light of the Jedi?

[00:08:38] I read part of Light of the Jedi.

[00:08:40] It didn't hook me and I'm almost done with convergence.

[00:08:42] I went to era two first now because, yeah, or phase two, I guess it's called.

[00:08:47] Anyway, and I'm liking that one a lot better.

[00:08:51] But even those are removed timeline wise from this series, right?

[00:08:57] Because this is at the end, those are sort of in the middle of the High Republic era.

[00:09:03] Yeah.

[00:09:04] This series is as distant from those books as it is from the prequel era.

[00:09:08] Right.

[00:09:09] It's right in between.

[00:09:10] Right.

[00:09:11] So, yeah, I was just like, yeah, I don't think I don't think I'm going to have anything to latch onto.

[00:09:16] I was worried that I wasn't going to feel drawn into the world right away.

[00:09:20] Like I was going to be a lot of like taking this information,

[00:09:23] which is I think how I felt in Shogun episode one.

[00:09:26] It took a lot for me to like take in the information in episode one only on a rewatch that I get to really enjoy it.

[00:09:32] But this I was right in.

[00:09:34] I turn it on and I'm right in.

[00:09:36] I feel like they open it up really well.

[00:09:39] I feel like the best thing about this is that they immediately draw you into character motivations

[00:09:45] instead of making you focus on wonky lore.

[00:09:47] Right.

[00:09:48] You pick up the wonky lore on the way.

[00:09:50] But they really do make the character arc central.

[00:09:54] And that is the sign of a good storyteller.

[00:09:57] And so, I'm really glad that they did that.

[00:10:00] The world looks great.

[00:10:02] I mean, Star Wars production is basically always 10 out of 10.

[00:10:06] And they lives up to it here.

[00:10:08] Looks great.

[00:10:09] I didn't recognize certain actors who were in alien makeup, which is fun.

[00:10:15] And I'm just I'm just so pleased with this.

[00:10:17] Every every casting I mentioned before is right on point.

[00:10:22] Everyone feels right.

[00:10:25] And the story is intriguing to the point where I almost wish it were a Ben series,

[00:10:30] even though I always say I don't want to binge series because I just want to know what happens.

[00:10:34] Right.

[00:10:35] No, it definitely left me with intrigue.

[00:10:37] And I'm glad that we get these weeks in between to pick it apart.

[00:10:40] But yeah, this will be a fun binge series.

[00:10:42] It'll be fun to go back and re-bench too.

[00:10:44] Yep.

[00:10:45] Yep.

[00:10:46] So you the certain actor that you're talking about, I'm guessing that's Stephanie Keen.

[00:10:50] Yeah.

[00:10:51] Yeah.

[00:10:52] I know her from are you a historic materials fan too?

[00:10:55] Yeah.

[00:10:56] Yeah.

[00:10:57] Well, I didn't watch season three, but I watched seasons one and two.

[00:10:59] I want to go back and watch season three.

[00:11:00] Oh yeah.

[00:11:01] You got to watch season three.

[00:11:02] He wraps it up.

[00:11:03] I did read the books too.

[00:11:04] So I know what happens.

[00:11:05] You know what happens.

[00:11:06] Yeah.

[00:11:07] That's why I wasn't like itching for season three.

[00:11:08] I was like, all right, that'll be cool to get to when I get to it.

[00:11:11] Right.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:13] It's minor spoiler.

[00:11:14] It's a tear-dryker.

[00:11:15] And Logan too.

[00:11:16] She was really good at Logan.

[00:11:17] Right.

[00:11:18] Mm hmm.

[00:11:19] Oh, yeah.

[00:11:20] It was fun to see her.

[00:11:21] I know in advance that she was going to be a Thelan hybrid, a human hybrid.

[00:11:25] So, but it was, she was unrecognizable when I first saw pictures of her character.

[00:11:30] But yeah, overall, I love, I loved the first two episodes.

[00:11:34] It's dark and it's very Star Wars-y and there's lots of world building and layers

[00:11:38] of intrigue.

[00:11:39] And these are all like things that are hallmarks of things I like.

[00:11:43] So it was kind of made for me in some ways, it feels like.

[00:11:46] I'm glad that they, there were some reveals going in that people generally expected

[00:11:51] and I'm glad they got them all out of the way like right away.

[00:11:54] Basically the first episode.

[00:11:56] I love how practical everything is like the makeup and the sets and they filmed on

[00:12:02] location, especially in Madeira but also a bit in Wales.

[00:12:06] It looks amazing.

[00:12:08] Madeira is a very striking island.

[00:12:10] And yeah, the work they did in post production just made everything even more

[00:12:15] gorgeous.

[00:12:16] You know, the production design in general is in top form and I love the music.

[00:12:22] So the composer is called Michael Ables and he's best known for doing the scores

[00:12:27] of Jordan Peele movies and it's definitely got that like eerie vibe to it.

[00:12:32] Yeah, definitely now.

[00:12:33] Now that you say that, that makes perfect sense.

[00:12:35] Yeah.

[00:12:36] And it adds to the mystery feeling.

[00:12:39] Right.

[00:12:40] Yeah.

[00:12:41] And one thing I wanted to say about the mystery part is, and I obviously know

[00:12:46] spoilers, but one of the best ways I've seen mystery done in recent years is

[00:12:52] Severance Season 1 where each episode or a couple episodes solves a mystery

[00:12:57] and presents two more.

[00:12:58] Right.

[00:12:59] And I think that this show is doing a similar thing.

[00:13:02] Right.

[00:13:03] Yeah.

[00:13:04] Leslie Headlin said that it was like an onion and each episode would peel

[00:13:08] back a new layer.

[00:13:09] Well, we'll call it Shrek because ogres are like onions.

[00:13:13] All right.

[00:13:14] Shall we break open the spoiler bag and get into Episode 1?

[00:13:18] I would love to.

[00:13:20] All right.

[00:13:21] Spoilers begin in 3, 2, 1.

[00:13:24] Episode 1 is titled Lost Slash Found.

[00:13:27] So it looks like all the titles are going to be opposites.

[00:13:30] Yeah, I like that a lot.

[00:13:32] Yeah.

[00:13:33] Yeah.

[00:13:34] Because it's, really, it's a story about, we find out pretty much immediately,

[00:13:38] it's a story about two twin sisters, Mei and Oshua, which are obviously

[00:13:43] being made to represent Yin and Yang in real world terms or Bogan and

[00:13:48] Oshua in Star Wars terms.

[00:13:50] So you know this is going back to the concept we talked about

[00:13:53] especially in the old Republic episodes about this seeking of balance.

[00:13:58] So I think that's what they're telling us the show is going to be

[00:14:01] about, not that Oshua is good and Mei is bad.

[00:14:04] I think it's going to be about the balance between them.

[00:14:06] Right.

[00:14:07] Yeah.

[00:14:08] That's interesting.

[00:14:09] I mean, I think the things that Mei does are bad, but we'll see.

[00:14:14] We'll see what goes on.

[00:14:15] I mean from whose perspective though, that's the thing is I think,

[00:14:18] well I did know, I do know this is going to be about shifting perspective.

[00:14:21] So I wonder, we're seeing things now, we might see differently later in

[00:14:26] the season.

[00:14:28] Yep.

[00:14:29] Fair enough.

[00:14:30] So the writer and director of this episode is a showrunner, Leslie

[00:14:33] Headland.

[00:14:34] And yeah, for this recap, we're going to recap a scene and then talk a bit

[00:14:40] about it.

[00:14:41] I'm going to combine a couple scenes that are covering the same arc

[00:14:44] even if they don't necessarily happen back to back in the show.

[00:14:47] Makes sense.

[00:14:48] We start with the opening crawl.

[00:14:51] And so opening crawls, this is, I haven't mentioned it yet on the

[00:14:55] Ken and Timeline podcast, but it's like a very important Star Wars

[00:15:01] thing that happens.

[00:15:03] We always care about the opening crawl.

[00:15:05] It was basically something that George Lucas copied from Flash

[00:15:09] Gordon always ends in four dots except for a return to the

[00:15:13] Jedi for reason people have been analyzing for years.

[00:15:17] But this one wasn't actually a crawl.

[00:15:19] They just kind of, the words appeared on screen, which does

[00:15:21] make it easier to read.

[00:15:23] And they said, 100 years before the rise of the Empire, it is a time

[00:15:27] of peace.

[00:15:28] The Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic have prospered for

[00:15:31] centuries without war.

[00:15:32] But in the dark corners of the galaxy, a powerful few learn to

[00:15:36] use the Force in secret.

[00:15:37] One of them, a lone assassin risks discovery to seek revenge.

[00:15:42] So yeah, we get this 100 years before the rise of the

[00:15:47] Empire, although we were told in marketing materials it's 100

[00:15:50] years before the Phantom Menace, which is an important

[00:15:52] distinction because one is 119 BBY before the Battle of Yavin

[00:15:57] and one is 132 BBY.

[00:16:00] So this is important in terms of who is possibly busy on the

[00:16:06] Sith side of things.

[00:16:08] That's true.

[00:16:09] I wonder if they're using Rise of the Empire to refer to

[00:16:14] the beginnings of corruption, you know, the beginnings of

[00:16:19] the rise of power of important few characters.

[00:16:22] Yeah, yeah, I think because yeah, I just don't know if we can, I

[00:16:27] feel like it makes more sense to be before the prequels.

[00:16:31] Right.

[00:16:32] I mean, it's before the prequels regardless, but it's like

[00:16:34] how long before the prequels?

[00:16:35] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:36] That's what I mean.

[00:16:37] I feel like it makes more sense to refer to Phantom Menace

[00:16:39] with that.

[00:16:40] Right.

[00:16:41] Oh yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.

[00:16:42] Yeah, so we're just going to assume and let until told

[00:16:45] otherwise that it's 132 BBY.

[00:16:47] So 132 years before the original Star Wars movie is set.

[00:16:51] But this time of peace doesn't mean nothing bad ever happens.

[00:16:55] Definitely check out the Hyberpublic Recap if you don't

[00:16:59] know what bad things have happened.

[00:17:01] I'm sure we'll get references as we go, but this is a golden

[00:17:04] age of the Jedi and of the Galactic Republic.

[00:17:07] What, so John, you said you've been reading Cataclysm.

[00:17:11] What have you noticed about the Hyberpublic that makes it

[00:17:14] feel different than what comes later?

[00:17:17] Yeah, it's the Jedi are much more, I think someone said this

[00:17:22] in our discord, they're much more of like a police force, right?

[00:17:25] They are very clearly allied with the Senate, very clearly

[00:17:30] allied with the Republic and not this third party.

[00:17:34] Oh, we just go with the wind and we serve the Republic

[00:17:38] but not directly and we don't meddle with politics.

[00:17:40] They are very political in a way that it seems it might be taboo later.

[00:17:46] Well, but then in the next stage we see them acting as kind of

[00:17:50] the military.

[00:17:52] Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:17:54] So I don't, yeah, I feel like they think that they are

[00:17:58] more independent but when you see the way that they behave

[00:18:01] that's not true.

[00:18:03] Right, they are really an arm of the Republic.

[00:18:05] Right, but they would be offended if you said that to them.

[00:18:09] Right, yeah, I mean one quote that stuck out to me that I read

[00:18:13] last night actually in Convergence was that one of the Jedi,

[00:18:18] I don't know how to pronounce her name because it's a book.

[00:18:20] Gela Natal, maybe Gela Natal?

[00:18:24] Natal I think is the last name but yeah.

[00:18:27] Anyway, she's talking to a woman on Erano and the woman

[00:18:34] says you fight for peace, that's like going to the desert

[00:18:37] to get water.

[00:18:39] You know, and it really does challenge the whole Jedi way

[00:18:43] of thinking, right?

[00:18:45] And I can't, again I can't spoil later, I want to discuss later

[00:18:49] but is it, you know, we see Indara in the next scene,

[00:18:55] I don't want to go too deep into that yet.

[00:18:57] We see her refuse to fight at first.

[00:18:59] Right.

[00:19:01] And so that does seem to be part of the Jedi code

[00:19:04] but I don't know how well that serves her in the end.

[00:19:09] Right, right.

[00:19:12] Yes, well of course, yeah so there are wars, like there's that

[00:19:16] civil war that you were referencing, I mean not a civil war

[00:19:20] but a war between two planets over the planet

[00:19:23] that ends up getting the planet of Jedd involved.

[00:19:25] We talked about that in the High Republic breakdown

[00:19:29] but yeah this is, I guess when they're saying centuries

[00:19:32] without war they mean it's not like the great civil wars

[00:19:35] that the Jedi had with the Sith basically.

[00:19:38] Right, right.

[00:19:40] Yeah, they have small, they consider two planets fighting

[00:19:44] a small squabble, right?

[00:19:46] Because that's like, that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:19:50] I mean it's not allied forces, you know, several planets

[00:19:54] forming a coalition against other ones, that's a different

[00:19:57] thing, that's what they would consider a war.

[00:19:59] Right, exactly.

[00:20:01] The Republic itself is not at war and so there is no war.

[00:20:04] That's true, it's kind of like the American Vietnam

[00:20:07] but anyway.

[00:20:08] Right, oh yeah, yeah, it's a conflict, it's not a war.

[00:20:11] Right, exactly.

[00:20:13] We haven't declared war since 1941.

[00:20:16] Which is funny because the original Star Wars was

[00:20:19] in part based on the Vietnam conflict.

[00:20:22] Oh yeah, and I mean the prequel trilogy is certainly

[00:20:25] laced with Iraq war era criticisms.

[00:20:29] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:20:31] Yeah, so then the question of course left by this

[00:20:34] opening crawl is who are the few in the dark corners

[00:20:37] of the galaxy learning to use the force in secrets?

[00:20:41] So people immediately jump to Sith, you know,

[00:20:44] the showrunner herself has talked about what are the

[00:20:47] Sith doing in this time of secrecy but also maybe witches?

[00:20:52] Yeah and I'm wondering because I'm only just getting

[00:20:55] into this in the High Republic books but this idea

[00:20:59] of the path of the hand, I don't know if they're

[00:21:03] extinct by now because I haven't finished the books.

[00:21:06] Oh yeah, well we talked about, a minor spoiler

[00:21:09] that we talked about in the High Republic overview

[00:21:13] is that the path kind of evolves, the path of the

[00:21:16] open hand kind of eventually evolves into a group

[00:21:18] called the Nihil which are the main enemies

[00:21:21] of the first and third phases because again

[00:21:26] the phases are out of order chronologically.

[00:21:29] But there's definitely signs that there may be

[00:21:33] connections especially we're going to talk about

[00:21:35] that spiral we see on May's forehead.

[00:21:38] Yeah, interesting.

[00:21:40] Yeah just because I was like this doesn't feel

[00:21:43] like Sith to me, no weapon, things like that.

[00:21:46] That just doesn't feel like the Sith to me

[00:21:49] and I could be wrong but it just feels like the Sith

[00:21:51] are just use whatever tools are available

[00:21:54] just improvise.

[00:21:56] Right, so for the Sith we're in the era of the

[00:21:59] Rule of Two and we have an idea of which two

[00:22:02] Sith would be busy during this time, we'll talk

[00:22:05] about that at the very end of the episode.

[00:22:07] We talked about it in the preview episode but

[00:22:10] the Rule of Two is really just about who is

[00:22:13] actually a Sith and there are always exceptions.

[00:22:16] We have other people working for them, the Sith

[00:22:19] often take on more than one apprentice just to

[00:22:22] force them to fight against each other.

[00:22:24] I do think though based on May's behavior she's

[00:22:27] trying to officially become an apprentice and

[00:22:29] I think that's why she keeps trying to steal

[00:22:31] people's lightsabers.

[00:22:33] I think she wants to steal it and bleed it

[00:22:36] for herself but if she can't do it the right

[00:22:39] way according to her master's rules then

[00:22:41] it doesn't count.

[00:22:44] So speaking of her first attempt stealing

[00:22:46] lightsabers we open with a young assassin

[00:22:50] who will come to know as May played by Amandla

[00:22:52] Stenberg. The bottom half of her face is

[00:22:55] covered in a black mask she's seeking out

[00:22:57] a Jedi known as Master Indara played by

[00:22:59] Karyan Moss in a remote Jedi outpost

[00:23:02] finding her chumming it up in a local

[00:23:04] cantina May relentlessly pushes Indara to

[00:23:07] attack her telling her they have unfinished

[00:23:09] business and starting a fight with the

[00:23:11] other patrons to force Indara to intervene

[00:23:13] their fighting clears the bar and Indara

[00:23:15] uses her calm link to call for help at one

[00:23:17] point May's face is revealed and Indara

[00:23:20] seems to recognize her May eventually ends

[00:23:23] the fight by sending one of her daggers

[00:23:25] flying toward the barkeep forcing Indara

[00:23:27] to break her concentration to stop

[00:23:29] the dagger with the force giving May the

[00:23:31] chance to send her other dagger flying

[00:23:33] into Indara's heart. May threatens

[00:23:35] the bar owner but leaves when she sees

[00:23:37] his child cowering behind him.

[00:23:40] So we're on a new planet called Ueda

[00:23:43] but yeah what did you think about this

[00:23:46] whole fight scene?

[00:23:48] My biggest complaint is that we lost

[00:23:50] Karyan Moss in the opening scene

[00:23:52] because I mean science fiction

[00:23:55] Royald you know what I mean it's just

[00:23:57] I could watch her be a Jedi all day I

[00:23:59] feel like she was born to be a Jedi

[00:24:01] she I mean Trinity from the matrix

[00:24:04] is basically just a Jedi.

[00:24:06] Well that was exactly Leslie

[00:24:08] Cedlan's thinking. Yeah yeah it

[00:24:11] makes sense and I love that she

[00:24:14] only at the very end

[00:24:17] takes her lightsaber out like she does

[00:24:19] do a lot of like it could have just

[00:24:21] been Trinity honestly most of the time

[00:24:24] great stuff great stuff and I do

[00:24:27] like that they give us the weaknesses

[00:24:29] of both right I mean Indara

[00:24:32] you know if that were a dark side user

[00:24:35] she would have just sat there and

[00:24:37] watched her terrorize the whole place

[00:24:39] and just ignored her. Right.

[00:24:41] We walked out but because

[00:24:44] the Jedi have this need to help people

[00:24:46] that's something that you know we see

[00:24:50] a lot of dark side users a lot of Sith

[00:24:52] and dark side users play on right and

[00:24:55] they use that to break their concentration

[00:24:57] to pull them into fights etc then

[00:24:59] we also see that May has a soft spot

[00:25:01] for kids. And parents

[00:25:04] relationships with kids maybe.

[00:25:06] Yeah we see her a few times it seems

[00:25:09] like whenever she wants help with

[00:25:10] something she pays a kid to help her.

[00:25:12] Right that makes sense yeah.

[00:25:15] Yeah the fight choreo people keep

[00:25:18] talking about whether so they're

[00:25:20] calling it Leslie Hedlund and the

[00:25:22] and the fight choreographers who are

[00:25:25] Christopher Clark Cohen and Lu Zheng

[00:25:27] Chan they call it force foo.

[00:25:29] Boo.

[00:25:32] Boo.

[00:25:35] I think it's cute but people are talking about

[00:25:37] you know the fact they use Wusha but

[00:25:39] it's actually just like I have to say

[00:25:42] people who know a lot more about

[00:25:45] martial arts love to break down

[00:25:48] all the different ways that they

[00:25:50] combine everything from like fencing

[00:25:53] to you know karate to

[00:25:58] everything that you can think of

[00:25:59] Krav Maga you know medieval sword fighting

[00:26:02] it's all finds its place in the

[00:26:04] choreography so I can't claim to be an

[00:26:06] expert in fight choreography I

[00:26:08] appreciate it when I see it but if

[00:26:10] more people have more detailed

[00:26:12] understanding and knowledge about that

[00:26:14] please do write in.

[00:26:15] Yeah yeah I love that stuff I just

[00:26:18] don't know enough about it.

[00:26:19] Right.

[00:26:21] I love that each character has their own

[00:26:22] style though and yeah I'd love to

[00:26:24] hear people who are more knowledgeable

[00:26:25] about this break this down.

[00:26:27] And you can I just say you see this

[00:26:30] this seems to be a lot more

[00:26:33] diverse of a fighting style

[00:26:35] layout you know you know we talk

[00:26:38] about the diversity of the cast but

[00:26:39] also I think the different Jedi here

[00:26:41] feel so much more distinct than

[00:26:44] Jedi leader in the canon timeline.

[00:26:46] Right and this is also because they are

[00:26:49] we visit in these first two episodes

[00:26:51] in Outpost and you know we when

[00:26:53] we talked about young Jedi adventures

[00:26:54] we saw an even further out Outpost

[00:26:56] into the Jedi they were more spread out

[00:26:59] during this time and whereas we see

[00:27:02] later in the timeline sorry minor

[00:27:04] spoiler but they're more concentrated

[00:27:06] just in Coruscant.

[00:27:08] Yeah it just seems like they're more

[00:27:10] homogenized later.

[00:27:12] And we get our first cantina scene

[00:27:15] of the show which for anyone who

[00:27:17] has no cantina scenes which are

[00:27:20] like the bars of the Star Wars universe

[00:27:22] are iconic this one is Lomi Uski

[00:27:24] Noodle Shop and we're also

[00:27:27] introduced to the Calm Link which is

[00:27:29] basically how characters communicate

[00:27:32] and you can also use it for just audio

[00:27:35] or also with visual with holograms.

[00:27:38] Did you get Princess Bride vibes from

[00:27:41] the way that Mae shows up and she says

[00:27:43] we have unfinished business attack

[00:27:45] me with all your strength and then does her stance.

[00:27:47] That's funny I didn't put that

[00:27:49] together but it makes total sense when

[00:27:51] it's out that's really funny.

[00:27:54] Mae is so earnest in this

[00:27:58] I'm ready to feel for her when

[00:28:01] I hear her side of the story because she

[00:28:03] really looks like she's about to cry

[00:28:05] when she's you know Indara stops

[00:28:07] the patrons in the bar from laughing

[00:28:09] at her for challenging a master Jedi

[00:28:12] and she's like attack me Jedi

[00:28:15] and Indara says Jedi do not attack on

[00:28:17] the star and she says yes you do

[00:28:19] so you can just see there's so much emotion

[00:28:22] brewing up under that I need to know

[00:28:24] what does she mean yes you do what happened.

[00:28:26] Yes something happened on her home planet

[00:28:29] yeah something suspicious also

[00:28:33] this line this attack me with all your strength

[00:28:35] is one of the things that made me think

[00:28:37] not Sith because a Sith would have

[00:28:39] just done a sneak attack.

[00:28:41] The Sith do not care about like

[00:28:44] honor with you know well I don't know

[00:28:46] I don't again like even this whole idea

[00:28:48] of you have to kill without a weapon

[00:28:51] you have to say attack me with all your

[00:28:53] strength you know give them a heads up

[00:28:55] this all feels very rigid and not

[00:28:58] Sith like right yeah I mean

[00:29:02] we could be getting bamboozled by the

[00:29:05] making it look like a Sith thing that's

[00:29:07] absolutely true. The Sith are

[00:29:09] improvisational and they are very

[00:29:11] results oriented right they are

[00:29:13] I don't think they care much about the

[00:29:15] methodology of the kill just that it

[00:29:17] happens. Well I think that's I mean

[00:29:21] what is Sith like about this and so

[00:29:23] we'll talk about the master she meets at

[00:29:25] the end of the episode later but

[00:29:27] basically he I'm saying he could very

[00:29:29] well be a woman with a voice

[00:29:31] disorder. He says that

[00:29:35] the Jedi are selling a dream and

[00:29:38] it's our job to undermine it what

[00:29:40] we're trying to do is like to cut

[00:29:42] chinks in that in the armor of that

[00:29:45] dream you know expose the Jedi for the

[00:29:48] hypocrites that they are basically and

[00:29:50] that is very much the idea of the rule

[00:29:53] of two is that you worm your way into

[00:29:55] the inside of the Jedi order and then

[00:29:59] and the Republic for that matter and

[00:30:02] you know spread the rock from within

[00:30:04] so that you can emerge stronger

[00:30:07] right right okay I do the one thing

[00:30:13] that makes me think it's maybe a Sith

[00:30:15] trial like I said is the fact she keeps

[00:30:17] going for the lightsabers but then

[00:30:19] doesn't take it at the end so feels

[00:30:21] like she's trying to pass a trial and

[00:30:24] then if she took could take the

[00:30:26] lightsaber in the right way then she

[00:30:28] could bleed it and have it be hers.

[00:30:30] So she needs to complete the kill

[00:30:32] without a weapon to get the

[00:30:34] lightsaber that this is my this is

[00:30:36] thinking so far but of course this remains

[00:30:38] to be seen. I do think it's interesting

[00:30:41] if the bar dude had died though if like

[00:30:44] she really banked on Indara stopping

[00:30:46] him but if Indara had let the the

[00:30:49] bar dude die that actually would have

[00:30:51] been better for proving their point

[00:30:53] that the Jedi are more selfish than

[00:30:55] they seem. Right right that's true.

[00:31:00] I do think though that Indara looks

[00:31:02] like she wanted to stab May at one

[00:31:04] and she got hold of one of her

[00:31:06] yeah and then dropped it. The Jedi

[00:31:08] definitely are in denial that they

[00:31:10] still have emotions it's just

[00:31:12] it's just part of it like you know in

[00:31:15] one way it's sort of honorable to be

[00:31:17] doing this you know life of

[00:31:20] Chastity and you know lack of

[00:31:24] lack of attachments and all this but

[00:31:27] at the end of the day you're still

[00:31:29] a person you're still a humanoid

[00:31:32] and you're going to have emotions

[00:31:34] and I think that's the one of the

[00:31:36] biggest weaknesses of the Jedi is that

[00:31:38] they don't acknowledge that. Right

[00:31:40] yeah and this is exactly what we see

[00:31:42] May trying to goad the Jedi she fights

[00:31:44] into doing you know Indara at one point

[00:31:47] she does pull out her lightsaber

[00:31:49] to deflect May's daggers to cut them

[00:31:52] apart basically and May teases her

[00:31:55] a Jedi doesn't pull her weapon unless

[00:31:57] prepared to kill which seems to be

[00:31:59] something most people follow except for

[00:32:01] the Lord who pulls out his weapon anytime

[00:32:03] he gets the opportunity.

[00:32:05] Yord is just hanging Saber

[00:32:08] all the time he loves it

[00:32:11] yeah he's so glad he could finally got

[00:32:13] that night title. The guy is

[00:32:16] I think I called him a pick me on the

[00:32:18] discord he's a pick me guy

[00:32:21] but yeah May's cool I love the daggers

[00:32:24] I love seeing a force user with a

[00:32:26] weapon other than a lightsaber for once

[00:32:28] we see she has that spiral on her forehead

[00:32:31] and I have to credit Paddowen John on

[00:32:33] Twitter pointed out that it looks like a

[00:32:35] spiraling storm which would link it

[00:32:38] back to the Nihil and the Nihil they use

[00:32:40] like storm

[00:32:42] they use storm words basically for all

[00:32:44] their jargon and so the head of the

[00:32:47] Nihil is called the eye high up

[00:32:50] people are tempests and then below

[00:32:52] that storm strike so it could be

[00:32:54] marking

[00:32:56] her rank in whatever the Nihil

[00:33:00] became at this point in timeline

[00:33:03] so the Nihil are not allied with the Sith

[00:33:05] at all right like they are totally

[00:33:07] distinct I mean yeah the they could be

[00:33:10] but they are distinct groups

[00:33:12] okay I mean so basically the

[00:33:16] path of the open I don't know if you

[00:33:17] got to this point in your books but

[00:33:19] they are based they're anti using the

[00:33:21] force basically and they're like

[00:33:23] especially not the Jedi so they're

[00:33:25] not naturally going to ally with the

[00:33:27] Sith but you could see some

[00:33:30] corrupted interpretation where they're

[00:33:32] like well you know the friend or the

[00:33:34] enemy of my enemy is my friend right

[00:33:36] right yeah right well they're not

[00:33:38] allowed to use the force but these

[00:33:39] guys they they're pretty chill right

[00:33:42] exactly so yeah who knows it's been

[00:33:44] now since so I think the book you're

[00:33:47] reading is set at like 300 something

[00:33:49] bby and now we're at 132 bby so it's

[00:33:52] been a couple hundred years locked right

[00:33:55] alright alright switching to the other

[00:33:58] who we find out is a twin so elsewhere

[00:34:01] out in the corp sec region of space a

[00:34:03] young woman who looks exactly like May

[00:34:05] but with shorter hair whose name will

[00:34:07] learn is Osha Anasea wakes up in her

[00:34:10] quarters on the trade federation

[00:34:11] cargo ship where she works under the

[00:34:13] table as a mechanic or mech neck with

[00:34:15] the pip her pocket size repair droid

[00:34:17] always by her side she goes to work

[00:34:19] repairing a shield generator gets

[00:34:21] temporarily distracted by a fire that

[00:34:23] breaks out triggering memories of her

[00:34:25] and her sister may being separated from

[00:34:27] their parents his children as she puts

[00:34:29] out the fire a Jedi starship arrives and

[00:34:32] her colleague asks her if those are

[00:34:34] her friends so yeah I wonder her

[00:34:38] colleague I was surprised at her

[00:34:40] colleague knows that she used to be

[00:34:42] in the Jedi order I wonder if she tells

[00:34:44] everyone or if that was like a drunken

[00:34:46] night on the references Narsha

[00:34:48] now which is a moon in the now hot

[00:34:51] system you know where the the huts the

[00:34:53] slug like people like job I live so it's

[00:34:56] a big crime moon and party moon so I'm

[00:34:59] wondering the huts do you like their

[00:35:02] parties yeah say they love it I'm

[00:35:05] wondering if some drunk night there

[00:35:06] she told him her backstory because it

[00:35:07] seems like that's that's what you

[00:35:09] just spill yeah yeah exactly it's

[00:35:11] strange because now I can't go later

[00:35:15] in the timeline but you know we see

[00:35:17] that people who perhaps are not part of

[00:35:19] the order at other times keep it secret

[00:35:22] because it's a really unusual thing for

[00:35:25] someone to join in leave right right it's

[00:35:28] kind of stigmatizing them want to know

[00:35:30] like why and what happened and what

[00:35:32] about you yeah right it's almost like

[00:35:35] you know there there's some stigma

[00:35:37] sometimes with like discharges

[00:35:39] untimely discharges right military

[00:35:41] right even though it can have it

[00:35:43] for completely legitimate reasons and

[00:35:45] so a lot of people will just not not

[00:35:47] discuss it basically yeah um so yeah I

[00:35:51] don't know if we're gonna see her fellow

[00:35:54] mech neck again named philic but that's

[00:35:56] his name just in case you wanted to know

[00:35:58] but this this whole exchange where he

[00:36:01] so he says to her that they went out

[00:36:04] for an evening on narsha and apparently

[00:36:07] she did not go that night so though

[00:36:09] she talks another time about drunk at

[00:36:11] nights out with their colleagues so I

[00:36:12] do have to question why didn't she go

[00:36:14] that night this makes it sound like

[00:36:16] she's a home body which is later

[00:36:17] contrasted by what she says but more

[00:36:20] importantly this is this is why she

[00:36:22] doesn't have an alibi during andar's

[00:36:24] murder mm-hmm although if she were

[00:36:27] on narsha dot when it had been easier

[00:36:29] for her to catch a ship somewhere

[00:36:30] else well I bet if she's surrounded

[00:36:33] by her colleagues yeah yeah yeah that's

[00:36:35] true I just wonder how much where I

[00:36:37] was in my room yeah yeah I just

[00:36:39] wonder how much credence that I

[00:36:41] are going to give to the words of a

[00:36:43] bunch of mech necks people who are

[00:36:44] true outlaws already right true but she

[00:36:46] doesn't even have that in this case

[00:36:48] mm-hmm and I love the cranky trade

[00:36:50] Federation people they're just like

[00:36:53] god damn it that the the Jedi are

[00:36:57] here and now we got to worry about

[00:36:59] violations of law and yeah these

[00:37:02] compliance people they're awful yeah

[00:37:04] they're always they always seem afraid

[00:37:06] of Jedi like especially more than other

[00:37:08] people you can tell that's that's how

[00:37:10] you know that so we talked about the

[00:37:12] trade Federation and the Moideans in

[00:37:14] the high Republic breakdown for anyone

[00:37:16] who's curious but those are like the

[00:37:17] nozzeless people we see on ship and

[00:37:20] yeah they they're always kind of

[00:37:22] squirrely yeah they are they've always

[00:37:26] got something going on yeah and so

[00:37:30] mech neck by the way new word it's I

[00:37:32] guess it's late high Republic slang

[00:37:34] and we learn that no humans are

[00:37:36] supposed to be doing external repairs

[00:37:38] so I maybe this explains some choices

[00:37:40] made about droids droids doing repairs

[00:37:42] in later films but this means the

[00:37:44] OSHA is technically an outlaw and the

[00:37:47] the Moideans they kind of because

[00:37:49] they're hiring outlaws they can be a

[00:37:51] bit more careless so at one point

[00:37:53] OSHA overhears them saying mech necks

[00:37:55] are disposable but cargo is not and

[00:37:57] OSHA's like really good nature to

[00:37:59] balance it we can hear you

[00:38:01] we can hear you talking about us

[00:38:03] yeah yeah yeah and it doesn't she say

[00:38:06] something like well I'm not disposable

[00:38:08] but he might be right exactly so this

[00:38:11] is this is good character building

[00:38:13] but it does also make me wonder if any

[00:38:15] of us is I don't know I I'm I have to

[00:38:17] warn you in advance I'm suspicious of

[00:38:19] every character in the show right now

[00:38:21] except for Saul yeah yeah except for

[00:38:23] Saul is pure Saul is light that's

[00:38:25] why he's named after the Sun yeah I

[00:38:27] I'm loving soul I mean I didn't think

[00:38:30] they'd be able to sell me on a Jedi

[00:38:33] as much as they do in the original

[00:38:35] and prequel trilogies but already an

[00:38:37] episode one I was in and then by the

[00:38:39] end of episode two I was like this guy

[00:38:41] is one of my favorites now yeah yeah

[00:38:43] oh his facial expressions we'll talk

[00:38:45] about some in particular mm-hmm

[00:38:48] now I want to watch Squid Game just

[00:38:50] to see him in something else oh he's

[00:38:52] oh you haven't seen Squid Games it's

[00:38:54] so good I have not okay yeah so I

[00:38:57] definitely recommend it and you know

[00:38:59] he's very good but it's just in general

[00:39:01] it's a very good show that is definitely

[00:39:03] has a high peculiarity mm-hmm so

[00:39:07] we find out yeah so maze in Corpsec

[00:39:09] which is the corporate sector which is

[00:39:11] an area of space which we get the

[00:39:14] earliest mention we've had previously

[00:39:16] in the timeline is in the Rogue One

[00:39:18] novelization which is basically like

[00:39:20] year zero so and it's explored later

[00:39:22] in the timeline so this is the

[00:39:24] earliest that we've seen it makes

[00:39:26] sense that the trade federation is

[00:39:28] there because they'll be associated with

[00:39:30] this later in time oh yeah and I love

[00:39:32] seeing the Neymarians by the way that

[00:39:34] their fashion choices are just

[00:39:37] muah they're just like give me Christopher

[00:39:40] Columbus but make it a cheer make it

[00:39:42] fashion I love it

[00:39:46] and I like that they seem to have

[00:39:48] they got some flak for the accents

[00:39:51] in the original movie being kind of

[00:39:53] caricature-ish and they seem to have

[00:39:54] toned that down and it feels more natural

[00:39:56] just like yeah yeah I think that's right

[00:39:59] yeah and they I think they even toned

[00:40:01] it down a little bit in the Clone Wars

[00:40:02] like they had already taken that into

[00:40:04] consideration right apparently they

[00:40:06] get to be more parodies of themselves

[00:40:08] as time goes on fair enough I mean don't

[00:40:11] they all I mean I feel like every time

[00:40:13] we get a new character like Yoda just

[00:40:15] keeps being more ridiculous right as he

[00:40:17] goes on right yeah he's getting

[00:40:20] daddy and it's old age that's why I

[00:40:22] interpret it

[00:40:23] fair enough but it's I have to note that

[00:40:26] they say the Neymarians so they want

[00:40:29] they want the mech necks to repair their

[00:40:32] shields but Osha points out they don't

[00:40:35] usually use shields and now they suddenly

[00:40:37] want to so I'm paying attention to that

[00:40:39] like why are they suddenly on higher

[00:40:40] alert something that's a good question

[00:40:43] yeah do you think the way that

[00:40:47] the way Osha reacted to fire was I

[00:40:50] giving you vibes like the hound from

[00:40:52] Game of Thrones with a family inspired

[00:40:54] fear fire yeah I think it's just it feels

[00:40:57] like a trauma response right but she's

[00:40:59] just thrown back into this horrible

[00:41:01] situation that she went through she's

[00:41:03] having PTSD flashbacks yeah yeah I think

[00:41:07] I have a feeling that that's gonna play

[00:41:09] out in some key moment where there's

[00:41:10] gonna be a fire and she has to cope

[00:41:12] with it or let it derail her

[00:41:14] mm-hmm she's gonna have to like walk

[00:41:16] through something you know right

[00:41:17] I'd be fire had be snakes no this is

[00:41:22] Lucas films and I just have to shout out

[00:41:25] by the way also in this scene that

[00:41:26] there was a proto gunk droids so gunk

[00:41:28] droids are a proud Star Wars tradition

[00:41:31] they look like trash cans on legs and

[00:41:33] they're basically like walking batteries

[00:41:35] technically called G and K series power

[00:41:38] droids but called gunk droids because

[00:41:41] of the sounds they make okay all

[00:41:43] right can you you can't give me an

[00:41:46] example of one later so anyway go on

[00:41:48] I mean there's a prominent one in

[00:41:51] rebels okay all right all right I see

[00:41:55] what you're saying yeah nice and we'll

[00:41:58] pick back up with that Jedi ship that

[00:42:00] showed up right after a quick break

[00:42:02] okay the Jedi rivals turn out to be

[00:42:25] Oshia's former Padawan friend Yord

[00:42:27] Fandar played by Charlie Barnett and

[00:42:29] his Padawan Tassiloa played by

[00:42:32] Thara shh I'm gonna say shun shun and

[00:42:36] they're looking for Oshia the

[00:42:38] Neumotians cave quickly admitting to

[00:42:40] employing mechnics and direct the Jedi

[00:42:42] to Oshia's quarters Oshia's happy to see

[00:42:45] Yord but he has to suppress any of his

[00:42:47] own smiles to inform Oshia that she's

[00:42:49] a murder suspect Oshia says she was

[00:42:52] in her quarters at the time of Indara's

[00:42:54] murder but that's not enough of an

[00:42:55] alibi and they see the fact that

[00:42:57] Indara advised the Jedi to end Oshia's

[00:42:59] training as a potential motive Oshia

[00:43:02] insists she's not only innocent but it

[00:43:04] was her own difficult decision to leave

[00:43:07] the order but once the barkeep shows up

[00:43:09] to ID her Yord feels he has no choice

[00:43:12] but to arrest her do you think that

[00:43:15] Yord uses hairspray or the force to

[00:43:17] keep his hair at that angle constantly I

[00:43:19] mean the fact that took him so long to

[00:43:21] go through his trials makes me question

[00:43:23] how good his mastery of the forces

[00:43:27] okay so we're on the hairspray train for

[00:43:30] that yeah yeah I think so have to shout

[00:43:34] out the I love the fact that there's now

[00:43:36] a hashtag going around called Yord Horde

[00:43:38] I mean he's handsome he just yeah he

[00:43:43] just is very sus I think I mean he's

[00:43:46] constantly being like I don't trust Oshia

[00:43:49] I don't trust her I don't trust her and

[00:43:51] to me that feels a little bit like

[00:43:54] projection yeah do you get though

[00:43:57] Galaad from the Wheel of Time vibes from him

[00:44:00] ooh I hadn't considered that because

[00:44:04] glad for anyone who doesn't know glad is

[00:44:06] a character he'll show up in season 3 of

[00:44:08] the TV show he's basically he's known

[00:44:10] for being hot and following the rules

[00:44:12] those are his things mm-hmm like to a

[00:44:14] fault he will follow the rules he

[00:44:16] would right he would rather you know

[00:44:18] throw his sister or brother under the

[00:44:20] bus then break a rule mm-hmm yeah I

[00:44:25] maybe maybe I just don't know enough

[00:44:27] about him so far right now I've only

[00:44:29] seen him throw shade and I wonder if

[00:44:33] it's to a personal end or if it is

[00:44:35] like you say it's just like whole

[00:44:37] monitor arrives I mean it does also

[00:44:40] feel like he's very like he feels

[00:44:42] like he has a lot to prove especially

[00:44:44] when you know Oshia says to him like

[00:44:46] oh you finally got it he was like I

[00:44:48] made night two years ago you know mm-hmm

[00:44:52] and if I have to point out that the actor

[00:44:54] who plays your he's in his late 30s I

[00:44:56] don't know if the character supposed to

[00:44:58] be the same age but that is pretty old

[00:45:00] to become a Jedi knight compared to

[00:45:03] this it is it's not young at least

[00:45:06] yeah I mean like well man ah you

[00:45:11] gotta mark that one oh um well yeah

[00:45:15] you can say yeah we see lots of we see

[00:45:18] lots of as you're saying we see lots

[00:45:20] of Jedi later who are much younger

[00:45:23] mm-hmm absolutely and even before this

[00:45:26] we saw of course Vanessa row who will

[00:45:29] meet in this episode she was the

[00:45:31] youngest to become a Jedi knight at 16

[00:45:33] so that's an exception but right right

[00:45:37] but but if that's the beginning of

[00:45:39] the spectrum then I think your order

[00:45:40] is falling towards the end yeah agreed

[00:45:42] can I ask you Jedi are is there a limit

[00:45:47] to how many nights they have they can

[00:45:49] have or masters or is it just whatever

[00:45:51] you get to that rank I mean at this

[00:45:54] point in the timeline actually like a

[00:45:56] hundred years before this they ended up

[00:45:58] pressing a lot of people into padawans

[00:46:00] and becoming Jedi more quickly just so

[00:46:02] they could fight the Nihil but at

[00:46:05] this point we see they do seem to be

[00:46:07] being more selective again but I don't

[00:46:10] think it's not about a certain quota

[00:46:12] because at this point they had more

[00:46:13] space to expand here I think it was

[00:46:15] just about when you're ready

[00:46:18] interesting although of course yeah

[00:46:20] there'll be the certain number of

[00:46:21] members on the council and there's

[00:46:23] like three grandmaster Jedi at this

[00:46:25] point in time I believe okay including

[00:46:27] one of them green yeah we've already

[00:46:30] met you at any young Jedi

[00:46:31] adventures we can talk to him we love

[00:46:34] it I want to watch young Jedi

[00:46:36] adventures with my kids but I tried

[00:46:38] to put it on once and they were like

[00:46:40] what's this give me a Mickey mouse

[00:46:42] you're saying that your daughter preferred

[00:46:44] the bad batch which is a much darker tone

[00:46:46] yeah well I think clone words what she

[00:46:48] really liked is because she likes the

[00:46:50] intro music right like she like

[00:46:52] pretends to play the drums along with

[00:46:54] it right now that makes sense

[00:46:56] so we see your with it he has a

[00:46:59] yellow lightsaber which we're seeing

[00:47:01] pop up more and more but they were

[00:47:03] originally they were associated with

[00:47:05] like sentinels or temple guards so

[00:47:07] this is means kind of a more guardian

[00:47:09] role that's what I'm interpreting now

[00:47:11] until told otherwise

[00:47:13] mm-hmm I think he seems

[00:47:16] sincere when he says to her I never

[00:47:18] thought I would see you again he seems

[00:47:19] really sad about it and I'm wondering

[00:47:21] what kind of complexity lurks in that

[00:47:23] sadness yeah and I also

[00:47:28] want to say regarding lightsaber

[00:47:30] colors it does feel like another

[00:47:32] part of the homogenization of the

[00:47:34] Jedi right that later we don't see a

[00:47:36] lot of this color right just blue and

[00:47:38] green basically or red right yeah

[00:47:41] but but you could tell there's a

[00:47:43] little something something between them

[00:47:45] right like they they bonded at least

[00:47:47] friends maybe is something more right

[00:47:49] yeah she seems genuinely bubbly to see

[00:47:51] him and he seems like he wants to be

[00:47:53] but feels like he can't yeah and she

[00:47:55] seems excited to see him in a way

[00:47:57] that nobody else is right everyone else

[00:48:00] is exasperated with that's true oh

[00:48:03] that's that's such a shame then he's

[00:48:05] kind of like shitty to her this whole

[00:48:07] this whole like yeah episodes yeah

[00:48:09] yeah maybe that's why everyone's

[00:48:10] exasperated with him is that every

[00:48:12] time they try to open up to him he

[00:48:13] shuts them down yeah so by the way

[00:48:16] his his pate want to see loa she's

[00:48:19] called a zygarean which are cat

[00:48:21] people cat people I love that they

[00:48:25] did practical makeup on her but yeah

[00:48:28] yeah the zygareans are we do see

[00:48:31] them later and like the clone wars

[00:48:33] in other places but and also they are

[00:48:36] like part of the lore going back to

[00:48:39] the old republic where they were known

[00:48:42] as powerful slave traders and yikes yeah

[00:48:46] they fought the Jedi in the galactic

[00:48:48] republic saw them as enemies and they

[00:48:50] did during the high republic they were

[00:48:53] trading with the Nile so so it's

[00:48:56] unusual in a way that naughty naughty

[00:48:59] we have a zygarean Jedi or Jedi to be

[00:49:02] just how long I wonder if that will

[00:49:04] come into the potliner if they're just

[00:49:05] like hey look member very yeah well it

[00:49:08] could be just like you know that

[00:49:10] headlands like I like zygareans here we

[00:49:13] go yeah she definitely is open about

[00:49:15] that with some species but or it could

[00:49:18] end up playing into the plot in an

[00:49:19] interesting way mm-hmm and yeah we

[00:49:22] haven't mentioned on this podcast yet

[00:49:23] before also that the padawans you

[00:49:25] might notice padawans have braids if

[00:49:27] they're from a species it doesn't have

[00:49:29] hair they'll have like a strand of

[00:49:30] beads going down it's just basically

[00:49:32] signifies their padawan and I suppose

[00:49:34] there's some deeper meaning to how the

[00:49:37] braid is done about rank and things like

[00:49:39] that I can't tell you the details

[00:49:42] about that if they exist yet I think

[00:49:44] that might need to be defined more

[00:49:46] right um so yeah but having Tassie

[00:49:49] there it's a good reason for exposition

[00:49:51] although even Osha gets annoyed with

[00:49:53] yours she's like you already know all

[00:49:55] this but we learned that Osha left

[00:49:57] the order Osha left the order six

[00:49:59] years ago which I think is something we

[00:50:02] need to keep in mind when we're trying to

[00:50:03] piece together timelines later and she

[00:50:06] had been there since she was taken from

[00:50:08] this disaster in our home world we'll be

[00:50:10] learning about when she was the age of

[00:50:12] eight and we learn from Tassie that

[00:50:15] there were doubts about taking her into

[00:50:17] the order because she was eight years

[00:50:19] old which just for to clarify for

[00:50:21] anyone who doesn't know that means

[00:50:22] they thought she was too old not too

[00:50:24] young too old right right right

[00:50:26] which again it's really questionable

[00:50:29] because it is in part because of

[00:50:32] indoctrination right will we be able to

[00:50:34] teach you to let go of all your

[00:50:36] preconceptions

[00:50:38] yeah absolutely if it's a quote

[00:50:41] Bo Burnham it's problematic

[00:50:43] yeah also the other reason is because

[00:50:46] there were concerns about the fact that

[00:50:48] she seems to have not been able to

[00:50:50] fully let go or even maybe it seems like

[00:50:53] partially let go of this traumatizing

[00:50:55] event from her childhood

[00:50:57] but should she have to let go of it you know

[00:50:59] I mean certainly it would help her deal

[00:51:02] with trauma if she could let go a little bit

[00:51:04] but that's part of her right that's one

[00:51:06] of her formative experiences

[00:51:08] yeah yeah and we get a quite a few

[00:51:11] times in these two episodes it's

[00:51:13] brought up about the how Jedi are

[00:51:15] not supposed to form attachments

[00:51:17] because they lead to clinging and fear

[00:51:20] which is you know very Buddhist actually

[00:51:22] but also in the other hand as Saul

[00:51:25] puts it later Saul being the Jedi who

[00:51:28] took in Osha who saved her when she was

[00:51:31] a child he says that you know it's

[00:51:34] good to remember the past because

[00:51:36] that's how you learn from it so it's

[00:51:38] this duality I think we're going to be

[00:51:40] exploring in this also right I really

[00:51:42] like how soul brings that up because

[00:51:44] it makes it feel and I also like

[00:51:48] and I know this is in the next

[00:51:50] scene but I'll come into my now when

[00:51:52] the one girl sees fire

[00:51:54] when the one younglings sees fire

[00:51:57] in the force he says yeah that's there

[00:52:00] too it's all about balance and I really

[00:52:03] like this guy he is so

[00:52:06] he's so willing to look at the dark

[00:52:08] side of the force and acknowledges

[00:52:10] existence to avoid using it and that's

[00:52:12] something that I think other Jedi

[00:52:15] lack even in this era I think that

[00:52:18] other Jedi are more fearful of it

[00:52:20] and even fear of the dark side

[00:52:23] can lead to the dark side right

[00:52:26] yeah um so Saul play by Lee

[00:52:29] Jung Jae he says that he

[00:52:32] so the actor says that he modeled

[00:52:34] Saul after Qui-Gon Jin who's a

[00:52:36] character who pops up later and you

[00:52:38] can definitely see that yeah yeah

[00:52:41] I've always wanted more Qui-Gon so

[00:52:43] I'm glad we have this guy yeah

[00:52:45] he learned English just for this

[00:52:47] part so basically Leslie Hedlin saw him

[00:52:49] in in Squid Games and she's like I need

[00:52:52] you in my show and he was like I want to

[00:52:55] be in Star Wars and so he learned

[00:52:57] English to do this wow yeah wow that's

[00:52:59] impressive mm-hmm yeah he does quite a

[00:53:01] good job too he does I wouldn't have

[00:53:03] known that he's such a new English

[00:53:05] speaker right yeah I love though

[00:53:07] there's the way he frames it is like

[00:53:09] you know the fact that you have to

[00:53:11] the force is something it's something

[00:53:13] powerful and it's something you have

[00:53:15] to respect it reminds me of you know

[00:53:17] when my dad would always say when we

[00:53:19] go to the ocean as a kid he's like

[00:53:21] always keep one eye on the ocean you

[00:53:23] have to respect it mm-hmm do you think

[00:53:25] though do you see so the way Saul

[00:53:27] talks about the he wants the young

[00:53:30] lings to think of the force as an

[00:53:32] ocean and it basically give

[00:53:36] themselves over to it versus the

[00:53:38] Sith that are all about seizing

[00:53:40] the force doesn't that feel not to

[00:53:42] bring up Wheel of Time at second time

[00:53:44] this episode but doesn't that feel kind of

[00:53:46] like the distinction between the two

[00:53:47] types of channeling Wheel of Time

[00:53:49] side are and side in yeah yeah bend it

[00:53:51] to your will or submit to it yeah right

[00:53:54] I like that a lot yeah yeah it's about

[00:53:57] that duality I guess again mm-hmm and

[00:54:00] by the way I just have to shout out

[00:54:02] for have a public fans that there's

[00:54:04] a character Elzerman who likes to

[00:54:06] talk about the forces and ocean who

[00:54:08] lived about 100 years before this so

[00:54:10] could be that he that Saul was

[00:54:12] the main judge for the White Crest

[00:54:14] temple he was the main judge for

[00:54:16] the White Crest temple he was the

[00:54:18] main judge for the White Crest

[00:54:20] temple and if you think about

[00:54:22] that it is a great thing to do

[00:54:25] and that's good.

[00:54:27] And I think it's the most important

[00:54:29] idea of how the White Crest

[00:54:31] has to be in a position of

[00:54:33] being in the White Crest

[00:54:35] temple because you have a

[00:54:37] very good point there.

[00:54:39] is guilt. Saul harbors clear doubts. So yeah, it listened to the Acolyte preview for if

[00:54:46] you want for Nestor's full backstory, but she's basically she's more than 100 years old at

[00:54:51] this point in the timeline. She's the one that I said has been a Jedi master since

[00:54:55] age 15. She was, you know, the youngest. So she's was seen as a prodigy and a lot

[00:55:02] of book readers are like, what the fuck happened to her personality? She's now suddenly

[00:55:08] seems like Ms bureaucracy. We know from the books 100 years ago, we already know she went

[00:55:15] through a lot lost a lot of people had to go. Is this phase one and three? Yes. Okay. So

[00:55:23] she yes, she ended up leaving. She ended up becoming what's called a wayseeker, which

[00:55:28] is not officially leaving the Jedi order but kind of taking a leave of absence to like

[00:55:32] find herself. So we know that she was kind of a more independent thinker before, but now

[00:55:38] it seems like she's officially submitted to I am the Jedi order must maintain control.

[00:55:46] Yeah. And she does this thing that the Jedi like to do sometimes, which is rather than

[00:55:51] confront the darkness within the order, deny it and try to sweep it under the rug.

[00:55:56] Exactly. Which yeah, I can see why so apparently Leslie Headlin, this is the only real

[00:56:04] big crossover character for this season. She says if there's a season two, there will

[00:56:07] be more. But I can see why she says she chose this character because just to show that

[00:56:13] contrast that contrast between the idealism of youth and what you can be morphed into

[00:56:19] once you become part of the power structure.

[00:56:21] Okay, I'm into that. I like that. Yeah, we all become bureaucrats eventually, don't we?

[00:56:28] Yes.

[00:56:29] And I know some people are lamenting that her purple hair is gone. She had long purple

[00:56:33] hair when she was younger and now it's been shaved or it's gone at least. And she

[00:56:38] now has the she's a Morallon, which later character Barris offies also a Morallon,

[00:56:44] but they are known for having these little diamond black diamond tattoos that mark

[00:56:51] life events and we now see a bunch of them on her scalp. So I think we'll probably

[00:56:55] get the story of what those mean and you know, what happened.

[00:57:01] Yeah, I hope we see more of this character. I think she's she's an interesting

[00:57:04] concept to explore, especially now that I know that she is very different from her

[00:57:10] book, youth.

[00:57:12] Right. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be interesting to experience her in reverse for you, I think.

[00:57:18] Reverse, reverse.

[00:57:21] Do you think that soul is overly attached to Oshia?

[00:57:25] It does seem like he has a different relationship with her than he does with

[00:57:30] other padawans, right?

[00:57:32] I mean, it seems like he knows, I mean, he remembered her sister's name,

[00:57:37] right, which feels deeper.

[00:57:39] Well, that's probably yeah, it was probably a memorable event.

[00:57:43] Yeah, that and I guess he was stationed there.

[00:57:45] So he probably knew the locals before this whole thing happened.

[00:57:50] Yeah. But yeah, I mean, he certainly is like, no, I have to go.

[00:57:54] I have to go, which reminds me a lot of people later of no,

[00:57:58] I have to go confront the person that I trained.

[00:58:01] Yeah. Yeah, I do also notice, as you're saying, you know, about

[00:58:06] Vernestra sweeping stuff under the rug, she's always asking soul to keep

[00:58:10] things secret and I feel like on his own he would not.

[00:58:15] I agree with that.

[00:58:15] The soul is very transparent.

[00:58:17] I mean, I could see other Jedi that we've met

[00:58:21] you know, saying, well, OK, maybe your sister's alive, but we got

[00:58:25] to keep this under wraps because otherwise I'm going to be ordered to bring you back.

[00:58:28] So let's not even say that I found you.

[00:58:30] Let's go figure this out before we go report back to the Jedi order.

[00:58:32] But no, he calls the Jedi right away and says, hey, her sister is probably alive.

[00:58:37] And this allows people to talk, right?

[00:58:40] This allows her to go, oh, yeah, if you have her, then there's another attack elsewhere.

[00:58:45] So she couldn't have done that.

[00:58:46] Let's go all solve this together.

[00:58:48] And that's how we avoid the comedy of errors.

[00:58:51] That is House of the Dragon.

[00:58:52] How so what do you mean?

[00:58:55] Because House of the Dragon, like most of the conflicts are based off

[00:58:58] of people not talking to each other.

[00:58:59] Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:59:00] No, I always say clear communication.

[00:59:03] And these Jedi actually are pretty clear in their communication

[00:59:06] to each other, maybe not to the public.

[00:59:08] Right. Yeah.

[00:59:09] And by the way, I love the establishing shot of this scene

[00:59:12] where they show the exterior shot of the Jedi temple.

[00:59:15] And we see that the city of Coruscant has not yet reached up to the

[00:59:19] temple's level. So when we see it later in the timeline, a hundred years

[00:59:21] later, we see that the temples, even with the top levels of Coruscant.

[00:59:26] So but a hundred years before that now, it's still a couple levels below.

[00:59:31] So the temple is literally over everything else in the city.

[00:59:36] You know, you see.

[00:59:38] The you know, the people who buy apartments in New York City

[00:59:42] and then they build a building right in the view of the sun.

[00:59:47] They get cranky.

[00:59:48] Imagine buying a top level Primo real estate apartment in on Coruscant.

[00:59:53] Yeah. And then you know, they're like, they're going to build a level right on top of you.

[00:59:58] Yeah, I guess that's been happening for millennia.

[01:00:01] Yeah, yeah. That just stinks.

[01:00:04] You know what else stinks?

[01:00:06] Being stuck on a prison ship.

[01:00:08] Yep. Yep.

[01:00:09] So we have Osha in her cell on a prison

[01:00:12] transfers ship manned only by droids and Osha surrounded by hardened criminals.

[01:00:16] One who is being kept incapacitated by a small starfish

[01:00:20] like creature over his face and the others plot to out overpower

[01:00:23] the droids running the ship and get free.

[01:00:26] When Osha declines to join the rebellion, they leave her behind

[01:00:29] after critically damaging the ship, sending it hurtling down toward

[01:00:33] the surface of a snowy planet.

[01:00:35] Osha gets out of her cell with the help of Pip, her droid

[01:00:38] and starts to run through the last escape pod.

[01:00:41] But then remembers the subdued prisoner.

[01:00:43] She helps him get free and he thanks her by knocking her out

[01:00:45] of the way and stealing the escape pod, leaving Osha to die.

[01:00:49] She straps in and lands in one piece, though the ship is now rubble.

[01:00:52] And Osha wakes up to a shadow running away from the wreckage of the ship.

[01:00:56] And she follows the figure out into the snow where she experiences

[01:01:00] visions of her sister as a child and the fire that separated them.

[01:01:04] Osha confronts this vision and may admits to killing Indara in the vision

[01:01:08] and says she will kill them all.

[01:01:10] Then Osha wakes up back in the prison ship wreckage.

[01:01:16] So I don't remember too many unmanned prison ships in the Clone Wars.

[01:01:21] Is this why?

[01:01:23] Maybe maybe this is the incident that made them go, we got to be of security here.

[01:01:27] Yeah, I mean, this would do it, right?

[01:01:30] Yeah, I just can't imagine.

[01:01:31] I mean, maybe if it's a time of peace, maybe the Jedi have just

[01:01:34] gotten really lax at this point.

[01:01:36] Yeah, I think that that is definitely part of the case.

[01:01:39] Yeah.

[01:01:40] I love though they have introduced like some world building elements

[01:01:44] like they have these pilot droids that turn into chairs.

[01:01:48] That's really cool.

[01:01:50] They have these new, the Dibbock, which are the the parasite quote unquote

[01:01:54] parasite used to subdue violent criminals.

[01:01:57] It does weird stuff to your brain.

[01:02:00] Yeah, and I'm wondering what is that weird stuff?

[01:02:01] So like he's having a great time.

[01:02:03] Don't worry about him. He's like tripping.

[01:02:07] And then I love when she she shocks it to get it off the guy's face

[01:02:10] and it flies away. So cool.

[01:02:12] Mm hmm. That was cool.

[01:02:15] And yeah, I like that.

[01:02:18] Osha, first of all, we learn about her that she does seem like a lawful character

[01:02:22] because she says she has faith in the Jedi and the aliens are like, ha,

[01:02:25] enjoy prison.

[01:02:27] But I also like and this is after a contrast with another show later

[01:02:31] in the timeline that we've talked about recently that I know you had

[01:02:34] some trouble with this fact, John, it's nice to see a character struggle

[01:02:38] with the force.

[01:02:40] I agree with that.

[01:02:42] I think this is someone who clearly has an ability in the force,

[01:02:46] but has lost touch with it.

[01:02:47] And I like that kind of story.

[01:02:49] I think we see that in some of the video games.

[01:02:51] Right. Right. That's true, especially the Jedi games.

[01:02:55] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:02:57] We see she can't use the force to grab Pip.

[01:02:59] She's trying. So yeah, we know she's somehow severed.

[01:03:04] I guess we'll find out how and why and what.

[01:03:06] But and then eventually the ship rolls her ways

[01:03:08] as she gets Pip and gets her out.

[01:03:10] And they land on this planet called Karlak,

[01:03:13] which is a location from the Clone Wars where a certain group

[01:03:17] will eventually be based called Death Watch.

[01:03:21] Good catch.

[01:03:22] We talked about the Vizlas when talking about the Mandalorian

[01:03:25] in previous episodes and that's during the era of pre Vizla

[01:03:29] and Karlak is also mentioned in the High Republic books.

[01:03:33] So nice.

[01:03:35] We also talked about another concept

[01:03:36] in the Old Republic episodes that comes up later in the timeline as well.

[01:03:40] Do you think that they're telling us Oshia and Mae are a forced dyad?

[01:03:46] Good question.

[01:03:47] I so before we had confirmation that Mae was actually physically alive

[01:03:53] for a minute, I thought maybe that

[01:03:57] Oshia was dissociating and becoming

[01:04:00] Mae like sleep killing Jedi.

[01:04:02] You know what I mean?

[01:04:03] Like like she had and she was so dissociating that she pictured

[01:04:08] this other version of herself as her dead twin sister.

[01:04:11] Right.

[01:04:13] And then I was like, no, she's just actually alive.

[01:04:15] That's that's that's fine.

[01:04:16] That's fine.

[01:04:18] Evil twin story.

[01:04:18] I'm I'm in.

[01:04:20] Yeah.

[01:04:21] Well, yeah.

[01:04:21] But maybe the question will be like who is evil or probably neither of them,

[01:04:25] to be honest. Right.

[01:04:26] Right. They all they all have things to learn, let's say.

[01:04:30] But it's interesting if the Sith are involved in this story,

[01:04:34] then we know from we know from lore throughout the Star Wars is that

[01:04:41] the Sith, the rule of two was in part an attempt to force a forced dyad.

[01:04:47] So if they find and if Mae has something to do with the Sith

[01:04:51] and they find out she has a forced dyad that could make them want

[01:04:54] to use her as a certain as a puppet in a certain way.

[01:05:00] By the way, I liked that the the young versions of were played by real twins,

[01:05:05] Leah and Lauren Brady, which I could I clocked right away because I'm like,

[01:05:08] real identical twins aren't actually carbon copies of each other.

[01:05:13] Right. Right.

[01:05:14] They can tell them apart, but it makes sense, you know,

[01:05:16] to use a manless Denver in two roles.

[01:05:19] I'm not against that at all.

[01:05:21] I mean, don't tell like every sitcom ever

[01:05:24] that twins are not completely identical because then that'll ruin

[01:05:27] all these things like Sister Sister.

[01:05:29] You ever watched that one? I used to watch that one.

[01:05:30] Oh, yeah. I used to love that. Yeah.

[01:05:32] Yeah. My sister and I used to watch it.

[01:05:34] Get it?

[01:05:36] But we did for real.

[01:05:37] Um, but I love you.

[01:05:39] Speaking of the sister bun, I this poem, this creepy poem.

[01:05:42] So they say, you're with me.

[01:05:44] I'm with you always one, but born is two as above sits the stars

[01:05:49] and below lies a seas.

[01:05:51] I give you you and you give me me.

[01:05:54] And then at the end of the poem,

[01:05:55] the vision of May's characters eyes turn black.

[01:05:59] Spooky. That does feel very much like forced,

[01:06:05] like, like this feels like someone else is orchestrating this almost.

[01:06:09] Maybe someone's already manipulating the forced I add,

[01:06:12] although May doesn't didn't doesn't seem to know

[01:06:15] in the next episode that her sister is alive.

[01:06:17] Mm hmm. Yeah.

[01:06:19] But I wonder if it's just a, you know, one way street over here.

[01:06:22] Yeah. Well, it's also, it's interesting.

[01:06:26] So new rock stars pointed out that the way the little girls say this is

[01:06:31] they're sharing the last lines back and forth into the way they say it is both

[01:06:35] times may saying I give you you and OSHA saying you give me me.

[01:06:40] So it's only May giving OSHA OSHA.

[01:06:45] That could mean nothing, but I thought is an interesting point that

[01:06:48] that is interesting.

[01:06:51] So, meanwhile, Saul's current Padawan, Jackie Lawn, played by Daphne Keen,

[01:06:56] as we talked about, collects her master to bring him to the detainment level

[01:07:00] to interrogate the prison ship escapees who have already been recaptured.

[01:07:04] They claim OSHA started it all until Saul mind tricks them into telling

[01:07:08] him the real story.

[01:07:10] Fnestra says that still doesn't clear OSHA's separate murder charges,

[01:07:13] but Fnestra assumes OSHA died in the crash.

[01:07:16] She sent probe droids to check, but Saul is sure she's still alive.

[01:07:21] And he wants to go get her himself.

[01:07:22] He brings Jackie and Yord.

[01:07:24] Jackie has a lot of questions about OSHA.

[01:07:26] And Saul explains that he was stationed on the planet

[01:07:29] Brednod 16 years ago, and he says it was May who started the fire

[01:07:33] in OSHA's visions, a fire that killed their entire family and village.

[01:07:38] Jackie and Yord are surprised to learn OSHA has a twin because May

[01:07:41] is not listed in the Jedi records.

[01:07:43] Jackie asks if May could be the real killer, but Saul is sure he saw May die.

[01:07:48] When the Jedi ship shows up, OSHA runs eventually cornered on a cliff

[01:07:52] where she almost falls before Saul catches her with a force.

[01:07:55] When she tells him she knows May is alive, Saul believes her

[01:07:58] and believes her innocence.

[01:08:00] They all leave together.

[01:08:03] So just have to call out that the ship, by the way, that they arrived

[01:08:09] on when they showed up at the Neuroydian ship is a Jedi vector.

[01:08:13] And so Jedi starfighters during the High Republic era,

[01:08:17] they had weapons system requirements that you had to use a lightsaber as a key

[01:08:21] so no one but a Jedi could unlock them.

[01:08:25] I'm again, I'm not like a ship aficionado.

[01:08:27] So again, if people have more expertise in that, that's like a whole thing

[01:08:31] on its own. So I'd love to hear other people's breakdowns of that.

[01:08:36] And of course, we get a we get a reference to Jedi mind tricks,

[01:08:39] which only work on the weak minded, which I think applies to these prisoners.

[01:08:44] I love Saul doing that quiet your mind.

[01:08:46] And it's so casual.

[01:08:49] Yeah, feels very in line with the original Jedi mind tricks we saw.

[01:08:54] Right. Right.

[01:08:55] Which was again, well, no, now I'm thinking of quite gone.

[01:08:58] But that's not the original we saw.

[01:09:01] Right. Right.

[01:09:03] We do learn from the High Republic comics that the Jedi Temple has

[01:09:07] a detention center with Sith containment cells.

[01:09:10] And this is like a multi level high security prison

[01:09:14] in the temple and Coruscant.

[01:09:15] It was built centuries before this to detain the Sith and their allies.

[01:09:20] And so it's a massive complex,

[01:09:23] but it's also specially designed to hold force wielders.

[01:09:28] So if we see a force wheeler there, it's going to be difficult for them

[01:09:31] to get out because they used Cortosis reinforced dirt

[01:09:36] in rare force resistant allies.

[01:09:38] And so Cortosis is it's kind of like the vibranium of Star Wars

[01:09:43] in that it's super durable.

[01:09:45] Once it's processed, it's really flaky when you first mine it.

[01:09:48] But once it's processed, it has special properties

[01:09:51] that it absorbs and diffuses energy basically.

[01:09:57] So it will dissipate the and a blaster bolt on contact, for example.

[01:10:02] And it can even short out a Jedi's lifesaver, but it can be overcharged.

[01:10:07] So it's not, you know, it's not it's not endless.

[01:10:10] There's ways to get around it.

[01:10:11] But just just saying if we find people back here, then

[01:10:16] that's what we're dealing with.

[01:10:18] Right. Hmm.

[01:10:20] We've got more hiding of Jedi records going on.

[01:10:24] We've got Jackie again, who's a Thelan human hybrid.

[01:10:27] We talked about that a lot in the Acolyte Prep episode.

[01:10:31] And of course we've got the we also talked about the two types of robes,

[01:10:35] the golden and white temple formal robes like you see Yord

[01:10:39] when he goes to talk to the to the Neimoidians.

[01:10:42] That's like an official visit.

[01:10:44] So he's in white.

[01:10:45] But then when Seoul and the others are going out on missions,

[01:10:48] they wear brown robes over that because that's their mission robes.

[01:10:53] Yeah, that's cool.

[01:10:55] And I you know, I'm a sucker for a Jedi throwing off

[01:10:58] of an outer robe to fight harder.

[01:11:01] I love that. Yeah.

[01:11:04] Yeah, we also get.

[01:11:07] We get some we have some extra fashion for the High Republic.

[01:11:10] Like I love those belts that they have.

[01:11:13] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:11:14] And the padawans, they get a pop of color.

[01:11:17] So you'll see Jackie has like a green

[01:11:19] obi behind her belt because she has a green lightsaber.

[01:11:23] They're all about accessorizing.

[01:11:24] Yes. Yeah.

[01:11:25] They had, I guess, with the time of peace,

[01:11:27] they had more time to put together their looks.

[01:11:30] Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

[01:11:31] I wonder I wonder if they have like a hollow deck.

[01:11:34] You know, they go to the fashion store.

[01:11:35] They're like there's like actual Jedi fashion stores.

[01:11:38] They're like, all right, let's look at the hollow deck.

[01:11:40] Here's what you would look like with these earrings and, you know, all that.

[01:11:44] Yeah, this should be like clueless.

[01:11:46] Had that where she has a computer

[01:11:49] and put herself in all the outfits.

[01:11:51] But speaking of, so we have hollow picks and souls looking at one of Osha

[01:11:55] and Jackie's like, why are you creeping on your former padawan?

[01:12:00] This encourages sentimentality and nostalgia, which lead to attachment.

[01:12:03] And souls like, listen, past memories can serve as lessons.

[01:12:07] And if they don't meditate on the past,

[01:12:09] they're doomed to repeat their mistakes.

[01:12:11] And Jackie finishes this last sentence.

[01:12:13] So I'm guessing they've had this this conversation before.

[01:12:16] But I do notice with her throughout this,

[01:12:18] like she's more relaxed when Saul's not around.

[01:12:20] And when Saul walks in the room, she's immediately like, look how serious and good I am.

[01:12:25] Yeah, I see both sides of this because.

[01:12:32] And also, I'm disturbed by the idea of repeating mistakes.

[01:12:36] Like does he does soul know something about what happened on May's home planet?

[01:12:42] Yeah, that that may knows, but.

[01:12:45] Um, oh, should not.

[01:12:47] But I do wonder he seems less guilt ridden than the other three Jedi on May's list.

[01:12:52] Right.

[01:12:53] What if they knew something and he didn't?

[01:12:56] But did you notice Jackie?

[01:12:58] She's not thrilled about your coming

[01:13:00] and she's constantly giving your cheek, which is delightful actually.

[01:13:03] But it's kind of funny because they seem similar in some ways.

[01:13:06] You know, they both seem like we are rule followers.

[01:13:09] And of course, this is this is the scene where we get that shortlist scene

[01:13:16] that the entire Internet's going crazy over.

[01:13:17] Oh my God.

[01:13:19] Sexy stars incoming.

[01:13:21] Give them the eye candy.

[01:13:22] It's fine.

[01:13:23] Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

[01:13:24] We can handle it.

[01:13:26] Um, I think, yeah, there's good.

[01:13:28] There's going to be like the old axiom if evil why hot may apply.

[01:13:33] I'm sorry, I don't mean your horde.

[01:13:35] I don't mean to like paint your guy in a bad light.

[01:13:38] I'm suspicious of everyone, but maybe especially him.

[01:13:41] I'm fine with painting him in a bad light.

[01:13:43] I'm you know, he could be good.

[01:13:45] He could just be annoying.

[01:13:46] Yeah.

[01:13:48] Yeah, I'm suspicious for sure because he's he's just too attached to the rules.

[01:13:54] And that feels like someone who has something to hide.

[01:13:58] Yeah.

[01:13:58] And he's very trigger happy throughout this.

[01:14:01] And like Vanessa, he sure Oshia must have died in the crash,

[01:14:04] which I think the reason she didn't is because the ship skids when it lands.

[01:14:09] So that definitely saved her.

[01:14:11] It is interesting, the Vernestrosens probe droids,

[01:14:13] which is something we associate with with the quote unquote bad guys

[01:14:18] using later in the timeline.

[01:14:19] Mm, yeah.

[01:14:21] But the episode ends with May who meets with someone along the water.

[01:14:26] Someone dressed all in black with a black cape,

[01:14:28] a mask painted with a chilling smile and wielding a red lightsaber.

[01:14:32] And as May approaches this person, they say the Jedi live in a dream,

[01:14:36] a dream they believe everyone shares.

[01:14:39] If you attack a Jedi with a weapon, you will fail.

[01:14:41] Steel or laser are no threat to them, but an acolyte and acolyte kills without a weapon.

[01:14:48] An acolyte kills the dream.

[01:14:51] So yeah, very Sith post rule of two.

[01:14:55] Let's like let's yeah, let's expose the corruption and right, right from within.

[01:15:02] But I have a feeling for May, it's at least as much about personal revenge

[01:15:06] as of killing the dream.

[01:15:07] And that might be a conflict for her going forward.

[01:15:11] Yeah, yeah.

[01:15:12] And I think I think that's right.

[01:15:14] I think she it says in the intro, right?

[01:15:17] In the opening crawl, like she's risking exposure.

[01:15:20] Right.

[01:15:20] So this does seem to be against the mission of her order.

[01:15:23] Right.

[01:15:25] Yeah.

[01:15:25] And May so far is obviously she's she's failed to kill without using a weapon.

[01:15:32] But the major thing that everyone's talking about going out of this is who is inside that helmet?

[01:15:38] We've got a voice disorder, so it could really be anyone.

[01:15:41] It doesn't have to be a man.

[01:15:42] I've heard theories that it could be there's prominent Sith's Tenebrous and Plagueis,

[01:15:46] which we talked about in the preview episode, could be Chimere.

[01:15:51] One of the witches that we saw in the trailers or so.

[01:15:55] So I've even seen Indara herself suggested or Yord or how interesting would it be if it were Venestra?

[01:16:04] It's not likely.

[01:16:04] And I think people would get upset, but it would be interesting just to see.

[01:16:08] Yeah, that feels too cheap for me.

[01:16:11] I hope not.

[01:16:12] So we see May she's got a purple cloak, which is known for, you know, it combines the red and the blue.

[01:16:17] It's kind of showing maybe a moral ambiguity.

[01:16:20] And Venestra also wields a purple saber.

[01:16:23] And there is something from Legends Lore that says that purple savers like the one

[01:16:29] that that Mace Windu has later in the timeline, that they are purple because it's someone is able to

[01:16:36] kind of wield the light side and the dark side and balance at the same time.

[01:16:42] So Venestra is her lightsaber, which will definitely see in action.

[01:16:45] It's light purple.

[01:16:47] I don't know, just just calling attention to it just in case there's something there

[01:16:50] because we definitely seeing from we even see from her at a younger age that she will break

[01:16:56] the rules if she thinks it's for the best.

[01:16:58] And there's a certain absolutism in her.

[01:17:01] So I'm wary of her as well right now, even though she's a hero earlier on.

[01:17:07] Yeah, I am I'm suspicious of everybody.

[01:17:11] I think you're right.

[01:17:11] I think that's the right call.

[01:17:13] Yeah.

[01:17:15] And I have to point out Mubius on our discord said the look of the helmet

[01:17:19] reminds me of Abeloth, which is I think Abeloth is like the Mephisto of modern

[01:17:24] Star Wars. We talk about her in the we talk about her in the dawn of the Jedi

[01:17:28] episode for anyone who's curious.

[01:17:30] But just saying it could be I think Abeloth.

[01:17:34] It's going to come into effect later in the timeline like she does in the

[01:17:37] Legends books, but just putting it out there.

[01:17:40] It's not a bad call.

[01:17:42] Right. Yeah, that's that's a cool poll.

[01:17:46] No, I like it.

[01:17:47] I'm very curious to find out who this person is.

[01:17:50] Yeah, definitely. Aren't we all so say we all.

[01:17:55] It's actually Merrick.

[01:17:56] It's just a cloud of dark side.

[01:17:59] Right. A lot of shadow.

[01:18:03] Yeah. Oh, is that is that is that too much?

[01:18:05] No, I made a joke about Merrick in the preview episode.

[01:18:10] OK, OK.

[01:18:11] OK, so John and I just had a little conference

[01:18:19] off air and since we since we are going so long, there's so much to

[01:18:24] break down in this first double episode.

[01:18:26] What we're actually going to do is we're going to pause here for now

[01:18:31] and we're just going to release this on its own as the episode one breakdown.

[01:18:37] And tomorrow we will gather back and do episode two and release that then separately.

[01:18:44] So just for this first week.

[01:18:45] So guess what? You get two episodes this week.

[01:18:48] Yay. What a day.

[01:18:51] What a day.

[01:18:55] All right, so that's what six podcasts on the main feed now.

[01:18:58] Anyway, go ahead.

[01:18:59] Yeah.

[01:19:00] So we're going to for now, we're going to skip over all of the

[01:19:04] outro stuff, save that for tomorrow's episode.

[01:19:07] Just there's a link in the show notes to all of the other podcasts

[01:19:11] that we're going to tell you more about tomorrow and to the Discord

[01:19:14] and the Patreon and Supercasts and all that fun stuff.

[01:19:19] All right, anything to add for episode one before we skedaddle for now?

[01:19:24] This got me so hyped for the season and I'm so excited for it.

[01:19:26] I can't believe people are review bombing because boy, is this a good

[01:19:30] series and you're missing out if you're not watching it.

[01:19:32] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:19:34] Yeah, if you haven't watched yet, you have time to catch up before our next

[01:19:37] episode so we don't spoil too.

[01:19:39] Yep. Yeah.

[01:19:41] All right. All right.

[01:19:43] We'll see you tomorrow.