A Christmas Carol Twists – The verse

[00:00:33] Hello and welcome one final time for 2024 to the Wool-Shift-Dust Winter Holiday Zone. Calling all Christmas Carol fans, bring an open mind to these adaptations because today things get a little bit weird. I'm Alicia and I'm here with Luke. And Luke we've reached our final episode of Project 2024 Christmas Carol. How do you feel?

[00:00:53] So I joked to you on Blue Sky, Alicia, that this is our Everest and we're about to reach the summit. This is the final assault.

[00:01:03] And then I just have to do all the editing, but that's okay.

[00:01:06] Yes, but the key thing is Alicia, I won't be doing that.

[00:01:12] You've reached the summit. I'm right behind you.

[00:01:14] I've reached my summit.

[00:01:17] Like enjoy the view. I'll be there. But you were saying, um, you, you watched all of these, including, we weren't sure if you're going to watch a new diva's Christmas Carol, but you're like, you know, in for penny, in for pounds.

[00:01:29] If you're going to, if you're going to, if you're going to do, if you're going to do a marathon, you've got to, you've got to complete it.

[00:01:34] You've got to finish that.

[00:01:36] Um, you were saying right before we started recording that this was a mixed bag, the films of this episode.

[00:01:44] Yes. Like I feel this is, I feel this is a, uh, this is a show where a movie version of the Sims Nard scale.

[00:01:52] Okay.

[00:01:53] The Sims Nard scale would be appropriate because it goes from the very, very good to the very, very bad.

[00:01:59] So we'll get to, I know which one you're going to put on the Sims Nard end, which in case anyone doesn't listen to our silo coverage, that's our portmanteau for the two biggest villains in the series.

[00:02:09] Um, so I know which film you would put there. We'll get to that in a minute, but which would you put on the Juliet end of the scale? The good end.

[00:02:15] Ooh, I think spirited. I enjoyed the heck out of spirited. Much more. I mean, this is the thing. I think it's also an expectations thing because I went into spirited, not really expecting to like it. I'm not the world's biggest, I'm not the world's biggest Will Ferrell fan.

[00:02:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:35] He said, um, I think a little Will Ferrell goes a long way.

[00:02:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:39] Um, but I actually enjoyed this.

[00:02:42] All right. Uh, yeah, I, I also really,

[00:02:45] really enjoyed it. So just, uh, laying out what exactly we're going to be covering in this episode and you can find, uh, you can find the list of all these in the show notes as well, but we're discussing the last seven films from this year, which is Scrooged from 1988, Flintstones Christmas Carol from 1994.

[00:03:04] It's Christmas Carol from 2012, a Divas Christmas Carol from 2000, a New Divas Christmas Carol from 2022, Scrooge, a Christmas Carol from 2022 on Netflix, and Spirited, the 2022 musical on Apple TV+.

[00:03:21] So this is seven we're covering today.

[00:03:22] You'll find links in the show notes where you can watch most of them, though you'll have to find a couple on this list yourself if you want to watch along since I can't legally share those links, but if we found them, so can you.

[00:03:31] And, um, of course, spoilers for all these films incoming, though, in most cases, you know the basic outline of the plot anyway, because it's a Christmas Carol.

[00:03:42] Although in some cases you really, really, you really don't know that much of the outline of the plot because they, they're only very loosely based on a Christmas Carol.

[00:03:52] Well, I think, yeah, in some cases there's only the loose outline of a plot to begin with.

[00:03:58] Yeah.

[00:04:01] All right.

[00:04:02] Well, we're going to go through the films in that order, and I've grouped them into little categories.

[00:04:07] We've got our meta films.

[00:04:09] We've got our gender swap Scrooge films.

[00:04:13] We've got our, and we've got our musicals here.

[00:04:17] Yeah, so we'll, we'll go through these films, give a little background, our hot takes and anything else we feel like shouting out from each.

[00:04:24] And, and we will be calling out some moments from the book and how they were translated to the screen.

[00:04:28] So any Supercaster Patreon subscribers are encouraged to start with the episode where we break down the novella there.

[00:04:36] Let's start with the meta movies.

[00:04:38] So, okay, Luke, here's where we're about to disappoint a bunch of people.

[00:04:43] Yes.

[00:04:44] Um, so the second most asked about movie that we got when we, you know, said we were doing this project.

[00:04:52] The first most asked about movie is Muppet Christmas Carol.

[00:04:54] We covered that.

[00:04:55] You heard that last or two episodes ago.

[00:04:57] Um, second most asked about movie was Scrooge from 1998 starring Bill Murray.

[00:05:03] Uh, let me just do a little background before I get into our feelings about it.

[00:05:07] So the director is Richard Donner and he had a background in TV, which I guess explains premise.

[00:05:12] Um, and he was also, but he's known for some directing some really great movies like the Omen, the 76 version, the Superman from 79, the Goonies lethal weapon.

[00:05:23] Um, so, and the writers on this though, where Mitch Glazer and Michael Donoghue, um, they were especially SNL writers Saturday night live.

[00:05:34] And so that's how they knew Bill Murray.

[00:05:36] So Bill Murray kind of trusted them more than he trusted the director is the vibe that I'm getting.

[00:05:41] Yeah.

[00:05:42] The, the, the internet research I did for this film suggested that Richard Donner and Bill Murray did not, did not get on at all.

[00:05:51] No.

[00:05:52] And it put it this way.

[00:05:54] They never worked together subsequently.

[00:05:56] So I think that says something.

[00:05:58] Hmm.

[00:06:00] Mitch Glazer, one of the writers, he did write a very Murray Christmas, which is a Christmas more recent Christmas special.

[00:06:05] I haven't watched it.

[00:06:06] Have you?

[00:06:07] No, no, I'm not sure that I'm especially keen on it, but, um, yeah, the reason why Michael Donoghue didn't write it with him is because he passed away in 1994.

[00:06:14] And unfortunately, so Scrooge of course played by Bill Murray, but he's actually a character named Frank Cross.

[00:06:20] He's a TV exec in this version and other noteworthy class cast members include Bobcat Goldthwait.

[00:06:29] He of the distinctive voice who has the strangest role in this.

[00:06:33] We'll get to it.

[00:06:34] Um, Carol Kane, who, uh, when she was Christmas past, right?

[00:06:39] Yeah, I think so.

[00:06:43] Hi, editor Alicia here popping in just to say we do know that she was the ghost of Christmas present and the cab driver was the ghost of Christmas past.

[00:06:52] We're going to say it wrong a couple more times before we correct ourselves.

[00:06:56] So just bear with us.

[00:06:57] You get what we're saying.

[00:06:59] The rest still stands.

[00:07:00] Okay, back to it.

[00:07:04] Alfre Woodward Woodard, who was maybe my favorite part.

[00:07:07] She just played a grounded character in the middle of all this.

[00:07:11] She's the crotchet character, basically.

[00:07:14] Um, Karen Allen, who played his love interest.

[00:07:16] Many cameos.

[00:07:18] Many cameos.

[00:07:20] It was nominated for an Oscar for Best Makeup and lost to Beetlejuice.

[00:07:24] I do think that's where, one place where it really excelled.

[00:07:27] Yeah, that's probably the only place it excelled.

[00:07:29] Damn.

[00:07:30] When you said nominated for an Oscar, my eyebrows shot to the top of my head.

[00:07:35] What could this possibly have been nominated for?

[00:07:38] Like makeup.

[00:07:39] Makeup.

[00:07:39] Oh, okay.

[00:07:39] Makeup makes sense.

[00:07:40] Yeah.

[00:07:42] Um, and it was a moderate financial success.

[00:07:44] You know, it earned about a hundred million versus 30 million for the reported budget.

[00:07:50] Six of that was for Murray.

[00:07:51] It got mixed reviews from the critics, um, with many of them calling it mean spirited, which

[00:07:57] doesn't surprise me.

[00:08:00] Yeah.

[00:08:01] Um, so yeah, Luke and I, um, we're, we're going to like make this a fun discussion, but,

[00:08:06] uh, I feel like we're going to shock some people with our opinion.

[00:08:10] Uh, we're actually starting this discussion at a low point for the two of us, but before

[00:08:16] people get upset with us, let's get into why we feel the way that we do.

[00:08:20] Um, we're acknowledging that I think this is the first time you watched it as well.

[00:08:24] Yeah.

[00:08:24] It's one of those films that is on TV every year.

[00:08:29] Particularly like it's on the film channels every year.

[00:08:33] And it's always like one of those, you know, one of those films you ought to watch.

[00:08:37] Now, I was really excited to watch it because it's kind of one of those things I've never

[00:08:41] got round to watch.

[00:08:42] Um, yeah, so yeah.

[00:08:47] Um, but I think, yeah, this me, the fact that we just watched it for the first time in 2024

[00:08:52] means we don't have the nostalgia associated with it that a lot of other people probably

[00:08:56] do.

[00:08:57] So we're coming from a different place.

[00:08:59] Um, I was a little bit kinder about this one.

[00:09:02] So let's start with my review.

[00:09:03] I gave it two stars out of five.

[00:09:05] And I said, honestly, I gave this half a star more than I would have myself because everyone

[00:09:10] else likes this film so much and it was nice to finally see what all the buzz is about.

[00:09:13] But I probably would have enjoyed this more watching it as a kid.

[00:09:18] Uh, but as this was the first time I've seen it, I'm afraid it hasn't aged very well.

[00:09:22] It definitely has its moments.

[00:09:24] I barked out a laugh twice, but slapsticks never been my particular brand of humor personally.

[00:09:29] And like, oh, look, she's hitting him.

[00:09:32] Ha ha.

[00:09:33] That's just, yeah, it's just me.

[00:09:35] That's a me thing.

[00:09:36] Um, and the story, to be honest, the story borders on incoherent at times, but there's

[00:09:40] reasons for that.

[00:09:41] We'll talk about that.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:42] About the, you know, Murray Donner headbutting.

[00:09:45] Um, not to mention, I continue to how many, how positively icky many of the lines are featuring

[00:09:53] light racism, even more homophobia and especially misogyny.

[00:09:57] Like this is almost the least of it, but he makes out on TV with someone who, I don't know,

[00:10:03] was this his girlfriend?

[00:10:04] She was in the background touching him from time to time.

[00:10:06] And then we're supposed to root for him to get the other girl literally less than a minute

[00:10:10] later.

[00:10:12] I don't know.

[00:10:13] This film wasn't made for me and it makes me understand why a lot of people don't enjoy

[00:10:17] watching Bill Murray.

[00:10:18] So sorry, sorry to the fans, but yeah, gotta be honest with my opinion.

[00:10:21] I mean, I've got to say, I feel much better for my reaction to it, knowing that it wasn't

[00:10:26] just me being, um, sort of bar humbug towards it, that actually we are pretty much in agreement

[00:10:34] on this.

[00:10:34] All right.

[00:10:35] So let's listen to what you said.

[00:10:37] Well, I've just finished watching Scrooged.

[00:10:40] Um, this is a film I haven't seen before and it's one of those, in inverted commas, Christmas

[00:10:46] classics that I've kind of always wanted to watch, but never got round to it.

[00:10:53] I have to say, I wish I'd still not got round to it.

[00:10:57] Um, it's not quite as bad as Clarence was last year, but it's not far off.

[00:11:04] Every single line is delivered at the top of everybody's voices.

[00:11:09] At the entire movie.

[00:11:11] Marie Blaine, the director for that.

[00:11:13] It's really, really, really annoying.

[00:11:15] Um, obviously the plot is based on a Christmas Carol, but only very loosely.

[00:11:23] Um, the character Bill Murray is playing Francis Cross is just really, really, really annoying.

[00:11:35] There are maybe three good jokes in the entire film.

[00:11:43] I really didn't like this.

[00:11:45] It was so overblown and so overdone.

[00:11:49] And the direction is really choppy and the editing is really choppy.

[00:11:56] It's a real headache of a movie.

[00:12:00] Um, like I say, it's not quite as bad as Clarence, but it's not a film I'm ever going to watch again.

[00:12:06] I don't know why people like this.

[00:12:10] I really did not like it at all.

[00:12:15] So tell us what you really think, Luke.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:19] Um, so yeah, I think I was being overly generous with the three good jokes because thinking about it, there's only really one time I really laughed.

[00:12:28] And that was when they were doing the trailers for the upcoming attractions at the beginning of the film.

[00:12:36] Because, um, Frank Cross, Murray's character, is a TV executive.

[00:12:40] And they were doing a trailer for a film called The Night the Reindeer Died.

[00:12:46] And it's like making a Christmas themed action movie.

[00:12:49] And the only reason I laughed is they've actually gone and made that movie.

[00:12:54] It's called Big Red One with The Rock and Chris Evans.

[00:12:57] They've actually gone and done it.

[00:12:59] That's now a real thing.

[00:13:02] I wonder if they were inspired by that.

[00:13:04] Yeah.

[00:13:06] But so Murray blames the director, Richard Donner, for the shouting thing that you were complaining about.

[00:13:12] And it is every line is delivered like this.

[00:13:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:13:16] Yeah.

[00:13:17] Apparently they really butted heads, the two of them, about the vision.

[00:13:20] And that probably goes a long way to explain the messy result.

[00:13:25] Um, in an interview the next year, Murray said that he shot a big, long, sloppy movie.

[00:13:31] And he said a lot of content that Murray had personally worked on with the writers was left on the cutting room floor.

[00:13:41] So he really threw Donner under the bus.

[00:13:43] But Donner's only said nice things about Murray for the most part.

[00:13:45] You know, he's like, oh, you know those creatives.

[00:13:48] They can be tricky.

[00:13:49] Yeah, they can be tricky to work with.

[00:13:51] But it's like, also, it felt like Bill Murray was like vamping a lot.

[00:13:56] There seemed to be a lot of improv.

[00:13:58] Mm-hmm.

[00:13:58] And like, I think particularly Karen Allen, you could tell on screen that she was not comfortable.

[00:14:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:05] Like, you could almost pick the moments when Murray was going off script, off-piste.

[00:14:11] I was uncomfortable with all the, like, I was uncomfortable for her just because it was such, like,

[00:14:17] it was constantly about groping all the various women who were there randomly for what reason.

[00:14:24] And then, just, yeah.

[00:14:26] And I mean, in this regard, it's actually worse than Clarence.

[00:14:29] Because Clarence is a bad movie, but it's not a mean-spirited one.

[00:14:32] Right.

[00:14:33] Clarence is the good kind of bad.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:35] This is positively icky.

[00:14:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:51] Well, that'll do it too.

[00:14:52] For about 10 minutes in the middle of this.

[00:14:54] And I thought, do I want to rewind and start again?

[00:14:57] And it's like, no.

[00:14:58] No.

[00:14:59] I really don't want to put myself through this.

[00:15:01] Also, like, I'm sure he's a nice guy.

[00:15:04] I'm sure he's great to work with.

[00:15:06] I have never understood the appeal of Bobcat Goldfights.

[00:15:09] Aw.

[00:15:10] I find him incredibly annoying.

[00:15:14] I like him.

[00:15:15] I like him.

[00:15:16] Okay.

[00:15:18] But, yeah.

[00:15:19] So, Donna and Murray, though, they said that Carol Kane, you know, she's the one who did

[00:15:23] the Ghost of Christmas Pass.

[00:15:25] And actually, that was one of the things that works for me the least.

[00:15:28] I know someone else was saying recently they really like that.

[00:15:30] And sorry, you know, we all like different things.

[00:15:33] But I, just the slapstick thing, it was, the only humor was her just, like, bonking Bill

[00:15:39] Murray over and over with her wand in her wings and stuff.

[00:15:43] And I just, I didn't, oh, God.

[00:15:45] I just wanted it to be over.

[00:15:46] I didn't laugh for a second.

[00:15:48] Not my humor at all.

[00:15:49] And apparently, she was crying on set several times because she was frustrated about these

[00:15:55] scenes and the violence.

[00:15:57] Really?

[00:15:58] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:00] Yeah.

[00:16:00] I mean, this is the thing as well.

[00:16:02] You do a Christmas Carol adaptation and your Scrooge character isn't redeemed at the end

[00:16:09] of the film.

[00:16:10] Yeah.

[00:16:10] He just transitions from being one kind of asshole to a different kind of asshole.

[00:16:15] Yeah.

[00:16:16] But he did employ his actual real life brothers in this film.

[00:16:21] So we have Joel Murray cameos as a party guest.

[00:16:25] Brian Doyle Murray plays Frank's father.

[00:16:28] So it's funny his brother's playing his father.

[00:16:29] But anyway.

[00:16:29] And John Murray plays his on-screen brother, James.

[00:16:32] So I was like, I did think that looked a lot like him.

[00:16:35] And that explains it.

[00:16:36] That explains it.

[00:16:37] I did like that it opened with that fake-out opening scene with the Santa and the elves

[00:16:41] and the guns.

[00:16:42] Yeah.

[00:16:43] Leave agent!

[00:16:44] Leave agent!

[00:16:47] The one thing that I did laugh at was, you know, they showed in this opening montage,

[00:16:53] another thing was they were talking about this adaptation of A Christmas Carol that they're

[00:16:57] doing.

[00:16:58] And they're like, with Mary Lou Retton, who I remember being a popular gymnast before my

[00:17:04] time, but as Tiny Tim.

[00:17:08] He's like, oh my gosh, does that suck?

[00:17:09] But he wasn't even talking about that casting, which you have a gymnast as the sickly, crippled

[00:17:14] character.

[00:17:15] Yeah, or I...

[00:17:18] Okay.

[00:17:19] And also, because they do the bit at the end where Tiny Tim throws away the cane and she's

[00:17:23] like doing backflare.

[00:17:25] Yeah, exactly.

[00:17:26] That was funny.

[00:17:27] That was actually funny.

[00:17:28] Yeah.

[00:17:31] It is also, I don't know, the characterization.

[00:17:33] Like, I am the youngest president in the history of television for a reason.

[00:17:37] Like, a young Scrooge that hasn't had time to build as many regrets.

[00:17:40] Yeah.

[00:17:42] I don't...

[00:17:42] I just found him too mean.

[00:17:45] Well, the cast was great.

[00:17:47] It's not that he's too mean.

[00:17:49] It's just like, how can you do an adaptation of A Christmas Carol where the Scrooge character

[00:17:55] isn't really redeemed?

[00:17:56] Like, what lesson has he learned at the end of this?

[00:17:59] Well, apparently they thought that it was New Yorkers couldn't really be fully redeemed.

[00:18:03] They could only be nice for a night.

[00:18:05] But yeah, we'll get to the end at the end.

[00:18:06] But...

[00:18:07] Oh.

[00:18:08] But okay, going back to the beginning.

[00:18:09] So we don't get the door knocker scene like we do in all the other adaptations.

[00:18:13] We do get a knock at the door.

[00:18:14] Fine.

[00:18:15] One thing this movie does really well is it leans into the ghost horror.

[00:18:20] And like that design for Marley, the rotting corpse was really great.

[00:18:24] I understand, again, why it got a nomination.

[00:18:27] And I like it that he's like, instead of the whole, you know, maybe it's indigestion speech

[00:18:32] from the book, he's like, oh, it's a hallucination brought on by booze, basically.

[00:18:39] I'm so confused, though, about his love life.

[00:18:42] So he has his ex, Claire, and they end up back together.

[00:18:45] But I thought she said at one point she was married.

[00:18:48] Or maybe I misunderstood that.

[00:18:50] And then there's this blonde in the office who is like constantly hanging around.

[00:18:53] Is that his girlfriend?

[00:18:54] Because he just ditched her and ignored her.

[00:18:56] And I don't understand.

[00:18:57] And there's this whole thing, this whole extended bit with the Ghost of Christmas Past, where

[00:19:03] we see Scrooge and Karen Allen's character, this whole like really long involved joke about

[00:19:11] her buying him a copy of the Kama Sutra for Christmas.

[00:19:15] It's like, what?

[00:19:19] I mean, you can buy that, but I don't understand what that's doing in the middle of this movie.

[00:19:23] Yeah, no, that's like that entire scene.

[00:19:26] It was, it was like a Saturday Night Live sketch.

[00:19:30] Just randomly dropped into the middle of the film.

[00:19:33] Like, no sense.

[00:19:34] But it was nice that we had a moment of seeing them as a happy couple and they open one present

[00:19:39] Christmas Eve.

[00:19:41] Which, is that a thing?

[00:19:42] That's something my family does, one present Christmas Eve.

[00:19:45] Is that a...

[00:19:45] No.

[00:19:46] No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:19:47] No.

[00:19:48] No.

[00:19:49] Strong no.

[00:19:50] No.

[00:19:52] Strong no.

[00:19:53] Strong no.

[00:19:54] No.

[00:19:55] Everything Christmas morning then.

[00:19:58] Well, actually we'd be...

[00:19:59] Because my brother now has to drive over to mom and dad's, we've become one of those very

[00:20:04] restrained families that have dinner first and then open the presents.

[00:20:09] Okay.

[00:20:09] So we're allowed to open one present Christmas morning.

[00:20:12] Okay.

[00:20:13] Oh, okay.

[00:20:14] So it's a version of what we do.

[00:20:15] We do one present Christmas Eve and then Christmas this morning.

[00:20:19] Yeah.

[00:20:21] I just have to call out one stupid grammatical thing, but there's at one point, somebody asks,

[00:20:28] I think it was a waiter, are you him?

[00:20:29] And he says, are you he?

[00:20:31] And I hate when people make that correction because it's wrong.

[00:20:34] It's an object.

[00:20:35] It should be him.

[00:20:40] Anyway.

[00:20:42] Also, weirdly, Robert Mitchum turns up.

[00:20:44] Robert Mitchum turns up in this film.

[00:20:47] It's like the head of the network.

[00:20:50] It's like...

[00:20:50] Right.

[00:20:52] That's a weird piece of casting.

[00:20:55] Can I ask about the whole ghost thing?

[00:20:58] This seems to happen while he's in public.

[00:21:00] So it almost is like he's having hallucinations in public and then suddenly he comes to and

[00:21:05] he's somewhere else.

[00:21:06] Like, what are other people seeing him do?

[00:21:09] Well, this is what I mean about it being choppy.

[00:21:11] Like, it feels like it's a film with a load of scenes missing.

[00:21:16] The stuff is just not explained properly.

[00:21:19] Right.

[00:21:21] Because there's a whole bit with the ghost Christmas present, I think.

[00:21:27] I can't even tell which ghost it was.

[00:21:29] But I think it's the ghost of Christmas present with him in a sewer with a homeless person.

[00:21:36] Oh, yeah.

[00:21:37] That was one of the homeless people.

[00:21:39] I had to look that up because I was confused who's the dead guy in the sewer.

[00:21:42] And that was one of the homeless.

[00:21:44] And so I guess the ghost of Christmas present is Carol Kane because the past was the cab driver.

[00:21:49] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:21:50] Yeah.

[00:21:51] But yeah, I looked it up.

[00:21:52] And that was, remember at one point he goes and visits his ex-girlfriend at work and at the homeless shelter.

[00:22:00] Or someone takes him there because he looks so confused.

[00:22:03] And he's talking to those people.

[00:22:05] And I guess that's supposed to be a call back to, you know, the people who take Scrooge's stuff at the end of the book.

[00:22:11] But that was one of those guys in the sewer.

[00:22:14] Okay, well, thank you for telling me because I would never have worked that out in a million years.

[00:22:20] Yeah, I was so confused.

[00:22:22] I actually wrote in that moment in the books, I am so confused.

[00:22:27] But yeah, I did like the ghost of Christmas past as a cab driver.

[00:22:30] I thought that that was a clever way to do it.

[00:22:32] He was like, you know, doing full character acting there with his fake teeth and all.

[00:22:37] Yeah, I actually like the ghost of Christmas yet to come.

[00:22:40] His face is a television.

[00:22:42] I thought that was very well done.

[00:22:46] Yeah, and I liked though that, what's his name in this?

[00:22:52] Bill Murray.

[00:22:54] Frank Cross.

[00:22:54] Yeah, I like that Bill Murray's character, Frank Cross, that he says a thing, you know,

[00:22:59] where he knows the story of A Christmas Carol so that he knows what's expected of him.

[00:23:05] And then that raises the question, does it make it tougher to redeem him if he knows what's coming?

[00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] And we see, you know, they do some good updates to his backstory.

[00:23:15] You know, he's got the mean dad indeed.

[00:23:17] No boarding school though, but he got lost in TV rather than books,

[00:23:20] which makes sense because he became a TV producer later.

[00:23:25] Yeah, I still just wonder though what other people saw when he's going around these hallucinations

[00:23:30] because he suddenly comes to and they're like, we were talking to you.

[00:23:33] And like, what did you think he was like, they think he's losing it.

[00:23:37] But he always pushes people away when they call him out.

[00:23:39] That makes sense.

[00:23:41] We didn't mention this.

[00:23:43] What do you think there's this new producer who's brought in?

[00:23:46] And I guess he's supposed to be the sort of nephew equivalent in a way,

[00:23:50] although I guess that's also his brother.

[00:23:52] But he just comes in and is like really nice about it,

[00:23:56] but then also taking over his show.

[00:23:58] Yeah, well, no, I think he's trying to stab.

[00:24:00] I think the whole point is he's trying to stab Frank in the back.

[00:24:03] So I don't think he is.

[00:24:05] I don't think he's a, he's a,

[00:24:07] I don't think he is a version of any character in A Christmas Carol.

[00:24:11] I think they came up with him.

[00:24:13] Um, whole cloth.

[00:24:15] I thought he seemed genuinely nice, but maybe it was just, yeah.

[00:24:19] No, I thought he was just like sucking up to Frank.

[00:24:22] To Frank.

[00:24:23] Okay.

[00:24:25] All right.

[00:24:25] So, and then we get the ghost of Christmas present,

[00:24:28] which again, it's Carol Kane.

[00:24:29] It's a fairy, uh, very violent giant fairy.

[00:24:33] And, um, we get some callbacks.

[00:24:35] Like I didn't know her husband had died.

[00:24:37] Don't you remember that period where she wore black for a year?

[00:24:40] And that's actually one of the times I, I laughed out loud.

[00:24:42] That was my biggest laugh.

[00:24:44] It was, yeah,

[00:24:45] it was also more in line with the idea of Scrooge being callous rather than cruel

[00:24:49] because a lot of this leaned cruel, but that's just a, you know,

[00:24:53] someone who's not paying attention.

[00:24:55] Um, it was his brother instead playing the games in the present.

[00:24:59] That made sense.

[00:25:01] I, you know,

[00:25:02] I cringed obviously about the animal cruelty jokes with the mouse with the

[00:25:08] antlers, but then I totally forgot that they set up this thing where they

[00:25:12] wanted TV for cats, but then that ended up paying off at the end.

[00:25:15] So that was a good laugh.

[00:25:17] Yeah.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:18] The TV for cats.

[00:25:19] It was the TV for cats.

[00:25:22] Did make me laugh.

[00:25:22] I think that was one of the other,

[00:25:24] one of the other two bits that made me laugh,

[00:25:26] but just a hot tip for cat owner superhero movies is TV for cats.

[00:25:32] They like when they fly around the screen.

[00:25:34] Okay.

[00:25:35] Okay.

[00:25:36] But I was most confused about,

[00:25:37] I like Bobcat Goldthwait,

[00:25:39] but I was so confused about his character.

[00:25:41] So he's fired in the beginning and then we just see him periodically.

[00:25:44] His life is just falling apart overnight.

[00:25:46] And then he shows up back at work with a gun.

[00:25:49] And is shooting at him while at the same time that Frank is going through the whole ghost future thing.

[00:25:59] Um, yeah, very confusing.

[00:26:02] We do get the,

[00:26:04] the ghouls under the future robes instead of the children want and ignorance.

[00:26:08] Yeah.

[00:26:08] That was,

[00:26:09] that was,

[00:26:09] that was very well done,

[00:26:12] but I really didn't like this movie.

[00:26:15] Oh,

[00:26:15] okay.

[00:26:16] Um,

[00:26:17] and Alfie Woodward Woodard,

[00:26:19] like I've barely spoke about her because she wasn't really given that much to do except that her,

[00:26:24] her son is the tiny Tim character.

[00:26:26] Obviously she's the cratchy character.

[00:26:28] Um,

[00:26:29] his name's Calvin and he doesn't speak.

[00:26:32] The scene where they dress him up as a Christmas tree and he looks so miserable and everyone else is laughing.

[00:26:37] I'm like,

[00:26:37] this is such a mean movie.

[00:26:39] And then later,

[00:26:40] instead of him being dead,

[00:26:42] he gets a vision of him older and institutionalized.

[00:26:45] And I just,

[00:26:46] I'm not sure that he would care.

[00:26:50] I do buy though.

[00:26:52] We see that Claire,

[00:26:53] his ex-girlfriend has become a bitch because he ruined her.

[00:26:56] And I can see,

[00:26:58] I like the idea that that's more horrifying than losing her is to like stop her from being a good person.

[00:27:04] Yeah.

[00:27:05] Yeah.

[00:27:06] And we get the,

[00:27:07] uh,

[00:27:08] burning in the coffin.

[00:27:09] I always think of that as a shout out to the Albert Finney movie.

[00:27:12] Oh yeah.

[00:27:13] Particularly in this case,

[00:27:15] definitely.

[00:27:15] Yeah.

[00:27:16] But I'm so baffled by the ending.

[00:27:18] So he gives his office to the guy with the gun,

[00:27:22] but he's getting fired anyway.

[00:27:24] And who is he helping at any point in this?

[00:27:28] Not even himself.

[00:27:29] He's not even helping himself.

[00:27:31] This is the thing.

[00:27:32] Like,

[00:27:33] he's not,

[00:27:35] he,

[00:27:36] he's not a better person at the end of the film than he was at the beginning.

[00:27:40] He's just an ass in a completely different,

[00:27:43] in a different way.

[00:27:45] And like you say,

[00:27:46] there's the whole bit with the,

[00:27:48] the,

[00:27:48] the girlfriend or the,

[00:27:50] the person we think is the girlfriend.

[00:27:53] And that is really icky.

[00:27:55] Really icky.

[00:27:57] And also,

[00:27:57] I really hope Karen Allen fired her agent after this film.

[00:28:01] Cause like,

[00:28:03] this is a,

[00:28:04] this,

[00:28:04] she is a better actress,

[00:28:07] a much better actress than what she's been given to do in this,

[00:28:11] in this film.

[00:28:12] So I hope her agent got fired after this,

[00:28:15] frankly.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:16] Yeah.

[00:28:17] I did wonder if like,

[00:28:18] it was supposed to be,

[00:28:19] maybe it was him just imagining things in this version,

[00:28:23] but then he refers to,

[00:28:25] you know,

[00:28:25] the games he saw his brother playing on TV and they're like,

[00:28:28] Oh,

[00:28:28] wow.

[00:28:28] How does he know the answers?

[00:28:30] So it's confirmation.

[00:28:30] It's real.

[00:28:31] So yeah,

[00:28:32] I'm just,

[00:28:33] I'm,

[00:28:33] I'm left confused.

[00:28:35] Um,

[00:28:36] and you know,

[00:28:37] again,

[00:28:37] I'm really sorry to anyone listening.

[00:28:40] If this is a particular favorite film of yours,

[00:28:42] please send us an email.

[00:28:44] We'll shift us podcast at gmail.com.

[00:28:46] Let us know what we've missed or,

[00:28:48] you know,

[00:28:48] give it a good defense.

[00:28:50] We,

[00:28:50] we celebrate what people love and this is a movie that people love.

[00:28:54] Sorry.

[00:28:54] It's not the two of us.

[00:28:55] Yeah.

[00:28:56] Any more thoughts before we move on?

[00:28:58] Um,

[00:28:59] we're not,

[00:28:59] we're not,

[00:28:59] we're not saying you are bad people for liking the film.

[00:29:03] We're just saying we don't like this.

[00:29:05] We don't like the film very much.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:07] Um,

[00:29:08] a lot of people love it.

[00:29:09] So it's,

[00:29:09] but yeah,

[00:29:10] whatever,

[00:29:11] whatever,

[00:29:11] whatever floats,

[00:29:12] whatever floats you boat.

[00:29:13] But,

[00:29:14] um,

[00:29:15] yeah,

[00:29:15] like I said,

[00:29:16] this is,

[00:29:17] this is definitely this year's version of Clarence,

[00:29:21] although they are both bad movies,

[00:29:24] but they're,

[00:29:24] they're bad in very different ways.

[00:29:27] I think this made me angrier because it's such a mean spirited,

[00:29:34] nasty.

[00:29:35] And also,

[00:29:36] frankly,

[00:29:36] I expect better from Richard Donner and Bill Murray.

[00:29:40] Hmm.

[00:29:41] You know,

[00:29:41] I don't know if I expect better from Bill Murray,

[00:29:44] but yeah.

[00:29:44] Oh,

[00:29:44] you're not,

[00:29:44] but you're not a Bill Murray fan.

[00:29:46] Eh.

[00:29:48] Okay.

[00:29:48] I think he kind of gives him,

[00:29:49] I don't know.

[00:29:50] Um,

[00:29:51] he seems like you tell,

[00:29:53] you hear these stories about him being cool and showing up places,

[00:29:55] but then I also hear stories about him being like icky around women and stuff.

[00:29:59] And then I see this movie and I'm like,

[00:30:00] well,

[00:30:01] yeah,

[00:30:01] yeah,

[00:30:01] you can kind of believe it.

[00:30:03] Hmm.

[00:30:05] Okay.

[00:30:05] I think we,

[00:30:06] we'll,

[00:30:06] we'll move on.

[00:30:07] All right.

[00:30:07] Let's move on to a movie that,

[00:30:09] uh,

[00:30:09] you definitely like better.

[00:30:11] And I like a whole lot better.

[00:30:12] And that's a Flintstones Christmas Carol from 1994.

[00:30:16] Um,

[00:30:16] this is the shortest movie on today's list.

[00:30:18] It's another meta movie because they are putting on a faithful adaptation as a play within the show.

[00:30:26] While Fred,

[00:30:27] who's playing Scrooge,

[00:30:28] his life mirrors the story because he's like gone full method to prepare for the role.

[00:30:33] Um,

[00:30:34] it's directed by Joanna Romerza,

[00:30:37] who also,

[00:30:38] by the way,

[00:30:38] directed a whole bunch of episodes of Captain Planet.

[00:30:41] He's a,

[00:30:42] but anyway,

[00:30:42] um,

[00:30:45] so you want to hear something disturbing.

[00:30:47] Uh,

[00:30:47] so I do this,

[00:30:49] this Christmas Advent calendar thing with the Academy of Death Racers,

[00:30:54] uh,

[00:30:54] just a film group I'm part of.

[00:30:56] And,

[00:30:56] uh,

[00:30:57] one of the prompts is always watch a film,

[00:31:01] you know,

[00:31:01] directed by a woman.

[00:31:03] And,

[00:31:03] you know,

[00:31:04] I go through the prompts and we had all these,

[00:31:06] these films that we had to watch.

[00:31:07] So I was trying to slot in the films that I had to watch for this and for the Lordhounds Netflix stuff into as many different categories.

[00:31:13] And I was looking for a film directed by a woman.

[00:31:16] And this is the only one out of all of the films we watched and all of the films I watched for the Lordhounds Netflix Christmas.

[00:31:24] Only one directed by a woman.

[00:31:26] Wow.

[00:31:27] Yeah.

[00:31:28] Yeah.

[00:31:29] And that's why that prompt is there.

[00:31:31] That's,

[00:31:31] that's disturbed.

[00:31:32] That's disturbing.

[00:31:33] Yeah.

[00:31:35] Uh,

[00:31:36] it was written by Glenn Leopold,

[00:31:38] who's a Hanna-Barbera regular.

[00:31:40] This is a Hanna-Barbera thing,

[00:31:41] obviously Flintstones and Scrooge is Fred Flintstone voiced by Henry Corden.

[00:31:47] Um,

[00:31:47] I definitely love this one.

[00:31:49] This one is a special favorite of mine.

[00:31:51] Uh,

[00:31:52] Luke,

[00:31:52] you were more Luke,

[00:31:53] Luke warm on it.

[00:31:54] Ha ha ha.

[00:31:55] Let's hear what you had to say.

[00:31:57] So I've done it.

[00:31:59] I've watched all the adaptations of the Christmas Carol that we're going to record on.

[00:32:05] Um,

[00:32:05] so this is me,

[00:32:07] uh,

[00:32:08] talking about the Flintstones.

[00:32:10] Bit of an odd adaptation,

[00:32:12] if I have to say.

[00:32:13] Although,

[00:32:14] for a children's cartoon,

[00:32:15] a remarkably faithful one,

[00:32:17] um,

[00:32:19] I don't really get why they have the sort of conceit that they're putting on community theater.

[00:32:26] Why not just do a straight adaptation of the Christmas Carol?

[00:32:31] I'm not sure I see what having the,

[00:32:36] the community theater bit adds to the story.

[00:32:40] But it's always nice to watch the Flintstones.

[00:32:43] I always love the machines and gadgets that are dinosaur powered.

[00:32:50] Um,

[00:32:51] I particularly like the sewing machine and the,

[00:32:55] uh,

[00:32:56] the wind machine that is a,

[00:32:58] uh,

[00:32:59] um,

[00:33:00] that is a woolly mammoth.

[00:33:01] Um,

[00:33:02] so yeah,

[00:33:03] I enjoyed it well enough.

[00:33:05] It's somewhere towards the middle of the adaptations we've looked at.

[00:33:11] It's okay.

[00:33:12] Not bad.

[00:33:14] I watched it actually two years in a row.

[00:33:17] I watched it last year and then I watched it again this year for,

[00:33:19] for this.

[00:33:20] So last year when I watched it,

[00:33:22] I gave it three and a half stars and I said underrated Christmas Carol,

[00:33:25] adaptation and a fun blast from the past past.

[00:33:28] I love the play within a play structure that blurs the lines of reality.

[00:33:32] And I'd forgotten what a philandering nin,

[00:33:35] nim can poop.

[00:33:36] Fred is hashtag Wilma deserves better.

[00:33:39] I'm adding to this,

[00:33:40] to my private list of Christmas films to revisit in the coming years.

[00:33:43] And then I revisited it right away this year.

[00:33:46] And I gave it four stars this year.

[00:33:48] And I said,

[00:33:48] this one really does seem to take some nods from Scrooged as well.

[00:33:51] I watched this one right after Scrooged,

[00:33:53] by the way,

[00:33:54] Fred even tries to kiss someone else.

[00:33:56] Ick,

[00:33:56] but at least this is portrayed as bad behavior here.

[00:33:59] And somehow,

[00:34:00] despite being 40 minutes shorter,

[00:34:02] it really does manage to pack more into a more coherent story.

[00:34:06] The meta aspect is better blended,

[00:34:08] both giving us a surprising amount from the original text with Stone Age puns,

[00:34:12] of course,

[00:34:13] and showing us how that is mirroring Fred's current reality,

[00:34:17] blurring the lines with magical realism.

[00:34:19] The additions like the bedrock flu and Wilma carrying the whole show add extra fun.

[00:34:24] In short,

[00:34:25] I already liked this one,

[00:34:26] but watching it right after Scrooged makes me like it even more.

[00:34:29] Those poor animals though.

[00:34:33] This is actually the fourth Flintstones Christmas special that was released.

[00:34:36] Were you a Flintstones fan growing up?

[00:34:38] Um,

[00:34:40] I could take or leave the Flintstones.

[00:34:42] It wasn't like I would watch it if it was on TV,

[00:34:45] but it wasn't something I would go and like actively find.

[00:34:50] Um,

[00:34:51] so kind of,

[00:34:53] um,

[00:34:54] I do think if I'm honest,

[00:34:55] I was,

[00:34:57] I'm probably suffering from a little bit of Christmas,

[00:34:59] Christmas Carol fatigue,

[00:35:00] um,

[00:35:01] by,

[00:35:02] by the time I watched this.

[00:35:03] So I may not have given it,

[00:35:05] I may not have given it a completely fair shot.

[00:35:08] Like I said,

[00:35:08] in the voicemail,

[00:35:09] it was the last,

[00:35:10] it was the last adaptation I watched.

[00:35:13] So I think,

[00:35:14] I think I might've liked it better had I watched it sort of earlier on in the,

[00:35:19] in the process.

[00:35:20] Cause yeah,

[00:35:21] I,

[00:35:21] I,

[00:35:21] I think if I'm being completely,

[00:35:23] uh,

[00:35:24] honest,

[00:35:24] I'm suffering from Christmas Carol fatigue a little bit at this point.

[00:35:27] Hmm.

[00:35:28] That makes sense.

[00:35:29] Yeah.

[00:35:30] Do you,

[00:35:31] I mean,

[00:35:31] uh,

[00:35:31] you were iffy on the home meta play within the show aspect,

[00:35:35] but,

[00:35:35] um,

[00:35:36] I,

[00:35:36] I feel like it did that better than Scrooge because it actually shows us more of

[00:35:41] the play and how that mirrors Fred's real life.

[00:35:43] I think it did it better than the man who invented Christmas too.

[00:35:46] What do you think about that?

[00:35:49] So the thing is,

[00:35:51] if it's a play within a play,

[00:35:53] they then have the best special effects.

[00:35:56] Yeah.

[00:35:56] Of any play that's ever been put on.

[00:35:59] Oh yeah.

[00:35:59] Because,

[00:36:00] um,

[00:36:00] like when Fred,

[00:36:02] when Fred is being taken around,

[00:36:03] uh,

[00:36:04] Pilthdown,

[00:36:05] by the way,

[00:36:06] that,

[00:36:06] that is a very funny joke.

[00:36:08] Um,

[00:36:09] that,

[00:36:09] that,

[00:36:09] that they keep referring to Pilthdown,

[00:36:12] because Pilthdown man,

[00:36:14] Neanderthals,

[00:36:15] um,

[00:36:16] but actually Pilthdown man is a fake.

[00:36:19] Oh,

[00:36:19] it's been proven.

[00:36:21] It's been proven to be a hoax anyway,

[00:36:23] but like when they're taking him around Pilthdown,

[00:36:25] Fred and the ghosts are transparent.

[00:36:28] Right.

[00:36:29] Like,

[00:36:29] yeah.

[00:36:29] So is this a play?

[00:36:32] Is it,

[00:36:32] is it?

[00:36:33] Maybe I'm being overly critical here,

[00:36:36] but.

[00:36:36] Well,

[00:36:36] that's why I would call it magical realism,

[00:36:38] but I love that.

[00:36:39] And I think,

[00:36:40] yeah,

[00:36:40] I like weird more than you do.

[00:36:41] And we're going to,

[00:36:42] that's probably going to come up a couple of times today.

[00:36:45] Okay.

[00:36:46] Um,

[00:36:46] but yeah,

[00:36:47] the play part though,

[00:36:48] it's quite accurate.

[00:36:49] It uses a lot of the classic lines,

[00:36:51] but you know,

[00:36:52] with the stone age puns and,

[00:36:54] um,

[00:36:54] Marbly.

[00:36:55] Yeah.

[00:36:56] Marbly.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:57] And,

[00:36:58] and crag it instead of.

[00:37:01] And the Scrooge,

[00:37:02] he really does seem more oblivious than intentionally cruel.

[00:37:06] Yes.

[00:37:06] Other than the trying to kiss another woman thing.

[00:37:08] We'll just,

[00:37:09] and the twist of this one is that he does Fred Flintstone.

[00:37:15] Obviously he has a family and it's his own family who needs his love,

[00:37:19] not another family per se.

[00:37:22] Yes.

[00:37:23] And by the way,

[00:37:24] how cute Bam Bam and pedal,

[00:37:26] um,

[00:37:26] pebble.

[00:37:27] Always,

[00:37:27] always.

[00:37:28] Okay.

[00:37:29] And I liked,

[00:37:30] you know,

[00:37:30] there was a little,

[00:37:32] just the slightest bit of slapstick in this,

[00:37:34] you know,

[00:37:34] when the spirit bonks Scrooge on the window by quote unquote accident,

[00:37:38] as she's taking him out,

[00:37:39] that feels it was Wilma,

[00:37:40] by the way.

[00:37:41] So it feels earned,

[00:37:41] not stupid.

[00:37:42] I really laughed at that.

[00:37:44] Not just like,

[00:37:44] Oh,

[00:37:44] make it stop.

[00:37:46] Um,

[00:37:47] I do think Fred is the least likable character,

[00:37:49] but of course that's the point.

[00:37:51] Uh,

[00:37:51] Mr.

[00:37:52] Slate,

[00:37:52] Fred's boss says he should have played Scrooge and Betty's like,

[00:37:55] that'd be typecasting.

[00:37:57] So he plays Marbly,

[00:37:59] which makes sense also because he's his boss and also a jackass.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] And,

[00:38:04] and like one of the act,

[00:38:06] one of the actresses that gets the bedrock bug is like clearly trying to seduce Fred.

[00:38:12] Yeah.

[00:38:13] Which is a bit weird.

[00:38:14] Yeah.

[00:38:15] Well,

[00:38:15] that's what I was saying.

[00:38:15] And he almost kisses her like,

[00:38:17] no,

[00:38:17] not cool.

[00:38:19] Um,

[00:38:20] I always love Barney.

[00:38:22] Uh,

[00:38:22] he plays both Kragit and Fezziwig.

[00:38:25] And of course he's Fred's conscience always.

[00:38:28] And yeah,

[00:38:29] at Bam Bam,

[00:38:30] obviously made to play tiny Tim.

[00:38:32] Yeah.

[00:38:33] But it's super cute at the end.

[00:38:35] Bam Bam chokes on,

[00:38:36] he's got the one line he's been practicing the whole,

[00:38:38] the whole movie.

[00:38:39] And then at the end he chokes and Pebble steps in and says it for him.

[00:38:43] Yeah.

[00:38:44] Oh,

[00:38:44] but,

[00:38:44] but speaking of magical realism at one point.

[00:38:47] So of course,

[00:38:49] you know,

[00:38:49] Flintstones was on for so long that,

[00:38:51] um,

[00:38:52] there are older versions of,

[00:38:54] uh,

[00:38:54] Pebbles and Bam Bam that exist out there too.

[00:38:56] And so the older version of Pebbles shows up at one point,

[00:38:59] like as,

[00:39:00] as you know,

[00:39:01] a teenager,

[00:39:02] adult,

[00:39:02] young adult Pebbles.

[00:39:04] And Fred's like Pebbles as Fanny.

[00:39:06] And,

[00:39:08] and that's just,

[00:39:09] you know,

[00:39:09] they,

[00:39:10] they were just winking at us with all this,

[00:39:12] just,

[00:39:13] you know,

[00:39:13] it wasn't meant to be super realistic because it's about dinosaurs who make

[00:39:18] special effects.

[00:39:19] So,

[00:39:19] yeah.

[00:39:21] I like the bedrock flu twist,

[00:39:23] bedrock bug.

[00:39:24] Yeah.

[00:39:24] The bedrock bug.

[00:39:25] Yeah.

[00:39:26] Yeah.

[00:39:27] By the way,

[00:39:28] I didn't like 1994.

[00:39:30] It looks much,

[00:39:31] because it's,

[00:39:32] it's still done in that kind of sixties animation style that the

[00:39:36] original Flintstones cartoons.

[00:39:39] So it looks much older than 1994.

[00:39:42] There was also,

[00:39:43] I'm not sure which version you watched.

[00:39:46] There is a,

[00:39:46] um,

[00:39:47] there's a version that you can find,

[00:39:49] uh,

[00:39:50] online.

[00:39:51] That's considerably worse quality than if you find another version,

[00:39:54] you can watch locally on your computer.

[00:39:57] Okay.

[00:39:58] Uh,

[00:39:59] just in terms of preservation of the video.

[00:40:02] I love that.

[00:40:03] Of course I love Wilma in general,

[00:40:05] and I love that she was the MVP of this and got acknowledged for it.

[00:40:09] Like she was the costume doing the costumes and then she had to step in to

[00:40:12] play several of the parts.

[00:40:13] And then at the end,

[00:40:15] the,

[00:40:15] she is given the flowers instead of Fred,

[00:40:19] which as it should be.

[00:40:21] And he's like,

[00:40:21] Oh,

[00:40:22] Oh yeah.

[00:40:22] I guess no,

[00:40:23] that's fair.

[00:40:23] Yeah.

[00:40:24] And also John Rhys Davis,

[00:40:26] uh,

[00:40:26] voice Gimli himself as the voice of the director.

[00:40:30] It's like,

[00:40:30] Oh,

[00:40:32] that's cool.

[00:40:33] I love,

[00:40:34] yeah.

[00:40:35] when,

[00:40:35] when they're talking in the final scene in,

[00:40:37] within the play,

[00:40:38] Wilma,

[00:40:39] who at this point is playing bells,

[00:40:41] like,

[00:40:41] of course you're a changed man.

[00:40:42] It's in the script,

[00:40:44] Scrooge.

[00:40:44] And the director is off screen looking at a script.

[00:40:47] He's like,

[00:40:47] none of this is in my script.

[00:40:52] Hmm.

[00:40:53] Uh,

[00:40:54] and,

[00:40:54] and of course,

[00:40:55] you know,

[00:40:55] there's always the bit in the book where Scrooge wants to buy a turkey

[00:41:00] bigger than tiny Tim or whatever.

[00:41:02] And then,

[00:41:02] yeah,

[00:41:02] of course a turkey source.

[00:41:04] That's the biggest turkey in any adaptation.

[00:41:08] And I like,

[00:41:09] he gets the kid to bring the presents to his own family instead of the

[00:41:12] cratchit.

[00:41:13] So it's just,

[00:41:13] yeah.

[00:41:14] I hope that kid got a really generous tip.

[00:41:16] Yeah.

[00:41:17] Yeah.

[00:41:18] He was put through it.

[00:41:19] He was really,

[00:41:20] yeah,

[00:41:21] really,

[00:41:22] yeah.

[00:41:22] Good to Fred.

[00:41:23] You can tell this is,

[00:41:24] you can tell this was done in an age before online shopping as well.

[00:41:28] Cause like the last minute rush to the department store for Christmas

[00:41:33] shopping is definitely a thing.

[00:41:34] Yeah.

[00:41:35] Right.

[00:41:35] Well,

[00:41:35] I guess people still do that because,

[00:41:37] you know,

[00:41:37] at the,

[00:41:38] especially in recent years,

[00:41:39] it takes so long to ship things.

[00:41:41] If you haven't bought Christmas presents by now,

[00:41:43] as we're recording even,

[00:41:45] um,

[00:41:46] yeah,

[00:41:47] you're going to be in trouble.

[00:41:49] Um,

[00:41:50] any final thoughts on Flintstones?

[00:41:52] Um,

[00:41:53] like I say,

[00:41:53] I would like to go back and watch it when I haven't just watched a load of

[00:41:58] other adaptations.

[00:41:59] That's fair.

[00:42:00] Of a Christmas Carol.

[00:42:01] Cause I,

[00:42:01] I do think I was,

[00:42:03] I may not be,

[00:42:04] I may not have been entirely fair to it.

[00:42:06] Okay.

[00:42:07] Okay.

[00:42:07] At that point.

[00:42:08] No,

[00:42:08] it's fair.

[00:42:09] It's not perfect.

[00:42:10] I just,

[00:42:10] I don't know.

[00:42:11] I really enjoy that one.

[00:42:12] And I like the weird thing.

[00:42:14] Like I'm not,

[00:42:15] I'm not a huge fan of magical realism.

[00:42:16] To be honest.

[00:42:18] Like,

[00:42:18] are they doing a play or are they not?

[00:42:20] Are they doing a play or are they not doing a play?

[00:42:23] I mean,

[00:42:24] but it's,

[00:42:25] it's,

[00:42:25] you know,

[00:42:26] where they use dinosaurs as.

[00:42:31] I don't know where my brain draws these lines.

[00:42:36] All right.

[00:42:39] That's fair.

[00:42:40] That's fair.

[00:42:40] Well,

[00:42:41] I recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it to give it a watch yourself.

[00:42:44] You can find it online and yeah,

[00:42:47] let us know what you think.

[00:42:49] This is a good spot to take a break.

[00:42:51] And when we get back,

[00:42:52] we're going to dive into the gender swapped Christmas carols,

[00:42:56] which are some of the most cheesily,

[00:42:59] cringely fun.

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[00:43:36] Okay,

[00:43:37] Luke,

[00:43:38] we've got three

[00:43:39] gender swapped Christmas carols

[00:43:41] on the menu.

[00:43:42] The first one was

[00:43:43] proposed by you.

[00:43:45] It is

[00:43:46] It's Christmas Carol,

[00:43:48] which I know you especially

[00:43:49] wanted to watch

[00:43:50] because of the

[00:43:51] because of the title.

[00:43:53] Yeah,

[00:43:53] just because of the title.

[00:43:54] No other reason.

[00:43:55] What about Carrie Fisher?

[00:43:56] I didn't even know

[00:43:57] when I saw the title

[00:43:58] that Carrie Fisher was in it.

[00:43:59] Although,

[00:44:00] when you listen to my voice note,

[00:44:01] that is a massive bonus.

[00:44:04] Yeah.

[00:44:05] So,

[00:44:06] yeah,

[00:44:07] I really like this.

[00:44:10] It's not a perfect adaptation.

[00:44:12] It's very hallmark,

[00:44:14] but

[00:44:14] it's a lot of fun.

[00:44:17] Okay,

[00:44:18] let's

[00:44:19] yeah,

[00:44:20] let's start with

[00:44:21] your thoughts on it.

[00:44:23] So,

[00:44:24] I just finished watching

[00:44:25] It's Christmas Carol

[00:44:26] starring the late,

[00:44:28] great Carrie Fisher.

[00:44:29] Uh,

[00:44:30] this is definitely

[00:44:31] a twist

[00:44:32] on a Christmas Carol.

[00:44:34] Um,

[00:44:36] it is

[00:44:38] Eve

[00:44:39] played by

[00:44:40] Carrie Fisher

[00:44:42] who is

[00:44:43] acting as

[00:44:44] the ghosts

[00:44:45] of Christmas past,

[00:44:47] present,

[00:44:47] and future

[00:44:48] because of budget cuts

[00:44:50] in the afterlife.

[00:44:51] Haunting her

[00:44:54] protégé,

[00:44:55] Carol

[00:44:55] Huffler,

[00:44:57] who is,

[00:44:59] uh,

[00:44:59] the owner of a publishing company.

[00:45:02] It is your typical

[00:45:03] hallmark

[00:45:04] movie

[00:45:05] in that

[00:45:06] everything looks amazing,

[00:45:08] all the houses

[00:45:10] look amazing,

[00:45:11] everything is amazing.

[00:45:14] Um,

[00:45:14] I'm not quite sure

[00:45:16] it really gets

[00:45:17] the moral

[00:45:18] of a Christmas Carol

[00:45:19] because

[00:45:20] the moral

[00:45:22] of this story

[00:45:23] seems to be

[00:45:24] that

[00:45:26] Carol

[00:45:27] Scrooge

[00:45:28] can't be a better,

[00:45:29] different person

[00:45:30] unless she ends up

[00:45:31] with

[00:45:32] an ex-boyfriend

[00:45:34] she dumped

[00:45:34] a decade ago.

[00:45:36] And

[00:45:37] with it being

[00:45:38] a hallmark movie,

[00:45:40] guess what

[00:45:41] the outcome

[00:45:41] of that is?

[00:45:43] Anyway,

[00:45:43] I quite enjoyed it.

[00:45:46] Carrie Fisher

[00:45:46] is clearly

[00:45:47] so much better

[00:45:49] than the material

[00:45:50] she's been given

[00:45:51] to work with.

[00:45:52] It's untrue.

[00:45:54] And

[00:45:55] she does steal

[00:45:56] every scene

[00:45:57] she's in

[00:45:58] completely.

[00:46:00] But yeah,

[00:46:01] it's a hallmark movie.

[00:46:02] It is what it is.

[00:46:03] It does what it says

[00:46:04] on the tin.

[00:46:05] It was enjoyable

[00:46:06] for an hour and a half.

[00:46:09] Okay.

[00:46:10] So yeah,

[00:46:11] as you said,

[00:46:11] it is a hallmark movie.

[00:46:13] Yeah,

[00:46:13] I need to correct that

[00:46:14] from the intro

[00:46:16] episode.

[00:46:16] I was wrong.

[00:46:17] It was a movie

[00:46:19] made by Hallmark.

[00:46:20] I'm sorry,

[00:46:21] I got that wrong.

[00:46:22] And aired on Hallmark

[00:46:23] in 2012,

[00:46:24] by the way,

[00:46:25] in case we didn't say it.

[00:46:25] It was directed

[00:46:26] by Michael M. Scott

[00:46:27] and written by

[00:46:28] William Pennick

[00:46:29] and Christopher Say.

[00:46:31] And I looked

[00:46:32] through their portfolios

[00:46:33] and they seem to do

[00:46:34] especially a lot

[00:46:35] of Christmas movies

[00:46:36] and one of them

[00:46:36] does some horror.

[00:46:38] Scrooge was played

[00:46:39] by Emmanuel Valier.

[00:46:41] Valier,

[00:46:42] I guess is how

[00:46:42] you say her last name.

[00:46:43] She's the one,

[00:46:44] I know her face

[00:46:45] but I've seen her

[00:46:46] in things

[00:46:46] but um,

[00:46:47] and she's Carol.

[00:46:49] Yeah,

[00:46:49] so Scrooge is Carol

[00:46:50] because it's Christmas

[00:46:52] Carol.

[00:46:54] There's only one spirit

[00:46:55] as you said

[00:46:55] because of the budget cuts

[00:46:56] and so that's

[00:46:57] Carrie Fisher

[00:46:58] who's playing

[00:46:59] Eve Mailer

[00:46:59] instead of Marley.

[00:47:02] And uh,

[00:47:03] when did,

[00:47:04] how did you hear

[00:47:04] about this movie,

[00:47:06] Luke?

[00:47:06] No,

[00:47:07] I just literally

[00:47:07] like googled

[00:47:09] Hallmark adaptations

[00:47:11] of A Christmas Carol

[00:47:12] and the first one

[00:47:13] that came up with

[00:47:13] was It's Christmas Carol

[00:47:15] and it's like

[00:47:15] yes,

[00:47:16] yes,

[00:47:17] that's going

[00:47:18] on the list.

[00:47:19] Just the title alone

[00:47:20] it's going

[00:47:20] on the list.

[00:47:22] Yeah.

[00:47:23] Um,

[00:47:24] so my Letterboxd review

[00:47:26] I gave it 2.5

[00:47:27] out of 5 stars.

[00:47:28] I said pure

[00:47:29] but a heart,

[00:47:29] you know,

[00:47:30] I get,

[00:47:30] it's a pure

[00:47:30] Hallmark cheese

[00:47:31] with a side

[00:47:32] of Carrie Fisher,

[00:47:32] maybe the most cringe

[00:47:34] and least faithful

[00:47:35] adaptation of A Christmas Carol

[00:47:36] I've watched

[00:47:37] during this project.

[00:47:38] Side note,

[00:47:39] this is before I watched

[00:47:40] A New Diva's Christmas Carol

[00:47:41] but I enjoyed it

[00:47:42] well enough anyway.

[00:47:45] I like,

[00:47:46] so in this iteration

[00:47:47] they are editors

[00:47:48] as in book editors

[00:47:50] instead of money counters.

[00:47:51] They have a company

[00:47:52] called Springwood Publishing.

[00:47:55] I love the fashion

[00:47:56] by the way,

[00:47:56] very 2012 fashion.

[00:47:58] They have all these belts

[00:47:59] like I have so many belts

[00:48:00] upstairs that I hardly

[00:48:01] wear anymore

[00:48:02] but I was really

[00:48:03] into belts for a while.

[00:48:07] Yeah,

[00:48:07] all the awkward cheese,

[00:48:09] there's built-in

[00:48:09] commercial breaks.

[00:48:11] Oh,

[00:48:12] Carson Kressley

[00:48:13] shows up too.

[00:48:14] Oh,

[00:48:14] is that the guy

[00:48:15] from Queer Eye

[00:48:16] for the Straight Guy?

[00:48:17] Yeah,

[00:48:17] yeah,

[00:48:18] and he's Fred

[00:48:19] and so Fred

[00:48:20] is the name

[00:48:21] that's normally

[00:48:22] given to the nephew

[00:48:23] and the nephew

[00:48:23] is usually the one

[00:48:24] who's like,

[00:48:25] oh,

[00:48:26] my uncle's not

[00:48:27] such a bad guy,

[00:48:28] he only hurts himself,

[00:48:29] let's support him.

[00:48:30] In this case,

[00:48:31] he's like,

[00:48:31] let's rebel,

[00:48:33] I hate her,

[00:48:34] let's start a new company.

[00:48:36] Like,

[00:48:37] he's anti-Fred

[00:48:37] but he's the one

[00:48:38] called Fred.

[00:48:39] Also,

[00:48:40] there's this whole

[00:48:41] running thing

[00:48:42] throughout the film

[00:48:43] that Carol is obsessed

[00:48:46] with only publishing

[00:48:47] books that sell well

[00:48:49] and all the other

[00:48:50] employees want to

[00:48:52] publish literature

[00:48:53] and it's like,

[00:48:54] I need to introduce

[00:48:56] you people

[00:48:56] to the concept

[00:48:57] of the idea

[00:48:57] that a book

[00:48:58] can sell well,

[00:48:59] be commercially successful,

[00:49:00] Carol,

[00:49:01] and be good.

[00:49:03] Right.

[00:49:03] This is not a binary,

[00:49:05] this is not a binary choice.

[00:49:07] I can tell you

[00:49:08] that this was not

[00:49:09] written by people

[00:49:10] in the literary world

[00:49:11] because Carol was really,

[00:49:13] well,

[00:49:13] first of all,

[00:49:13] it's like,

[00:49:14] when she meets

[00:49:15] and we'll talk about

[00:49:16] the guy,

[00:49:17] but when she,

[00:49:18] we see in the past

[00:49:20] her meeting him

[00:49:20] and falling in love,

[00:49:21] they bond over

[00:49:23] only reading

[00:49:23] cliche classics

[00:49:24] and then he's like,

[00:49:26] let me blow your mind

[00:49:26] with this book,

[00:49:28] A Hundred Years of Solitude.

[00:49:29] She's like,

[00:49:30] never heard of it.

[00:49:30] Like,

[00:49:30] you are a publisher

[00:49:31] who's never heard

[00:49:32] of A Hundred Years of Solitude?

[00:49:34] No,

[00:49:34] no,

[00:49:34] but there's an even

[00:49:35] better bit

[00:49:36] that demonstrates

[00:49:36] the thing.

[00:49:37] She's supposed to be

[00:49:38] into Dickens

[00:49:38] and Dostoevsky.

[00:49:39] Right.

[00:49:40] She has to look up

[00:49:41] the plot.

[00:49:42] Right.

[00:49:43] Exactly.

[00:49:45] Because Hallmark viewers,

[00:49:47] we have to assume,

[00:49:48] have consumed

[00:49:49] no other culture

[00:49:50] outside of the Hallmark universe.

[00:49:52] It's their only

[00:49:53] movie subscription channel.

[00:49:54] So we need to make sure

[00:49:55] that everybody's

[00:49:55] on the same page.

[00:49:57] Yeah.

[00:49:58] Yeah.

[00:50:00] But I do think

[00:50:01] I liked the whole bit

[00:50:02] with her,

[00:50:02] or her assistant

[00:50:03] is this woman

[00:50:04] named Kendra

[00:50:05] and she's basically

[00:50:06] blocking her

[00:50:07] from moving to London.

[00:50:08] She wants to move

[00:50:09] to London

[00:50:09] to be with her boyfriend,

[00:50:10] Zach,

[00:50:10] and she thinks

[00:50:12] she's helping her

[00:50:13] by blocking her

[00:50:13] from following a guy

[00:50:15] or whatever,

[00:50:15] but she's also

[00:50:16] just being selfish

[00:50:16] and that seemed

[00:50:17] like a proper

[00:50:17] Scrooge characterization.

[00:50:21] She's also,

[00:50:22] her mom is still alive

[00:50:24] and she is being

[00:50:25] taken care of

[00:50:26] by a woman

[00:50:28] named Gloria.

[00:50:29] So this is this

[00:50:30] whole new factor

[00:50:31] in there.

[00:50:32] But I did notice

[00:50:33] when Gloria

[00:50:33] and her mother

[00:50:34] were together,

[00:50:35] her mom says

[00:50:35] she watches

[00:50:36] the 1951 Scrooge

[00:50:38] movie every year.

[00:50:40] The one that's

[00:50:41] my new baby.

[00:50:42] Yes.

[00:50:44] And then,

[00:50:45] of course,

[00:50:45] the other

[00:50:46] main character

[00:50:47] in this

[00:50:48] is Ben Woodley

[00:50:49] who is an author

[00:50:50] and at one point

[00:50:51] she said

[00:50:52] she's the only person

[00:50:53] she ever loved

[00:50:53] and it's like,

[00:50:54] okay,

[00:50:54] well,

[00:50:54] what about mom?

[00:50:55] But fine.

[00:50:56] They did break up

[00:50:57] because she wanted

[00:50:58] to pursue money

[00:50:58] so that's faithful.

[00:51:01] Eve Mailer

[00:51:01] as a ghost

[00:51:02] just looks normal.

[00:51:03] She just puts

[00:51:04] on a cloak

[00:51:04] for the futures.

[00:51:05] So I'm glad

[00:51:06] that they call

[00:51:07] out the budget

[00:51:07] in the beginning.

[00:51:09] Yeah.

[00:51:10] Yeah.

[00:51:13] Yeah,

[00:51:14] so

[00:51:16] what's her favorite?

[00:51:17] Carol is convinced

[00:51:18] this is all a dream

[00:51:19] and which makes sense.

[00:51:21] But Eve's telling her,

[00:51:23] yeah,

[00:51:23] they are the board

[00:51:24] of correctors,

[00:51:25] the spiritual entities

[00:51:26] who oversee

[00:51:27] the balance of things.

[00:51:28] People like me

[00:51:29] have been coming down

[00:51:30] here to help

[00:51:31] people like you

[00:51:32] for generations

[00:51:33] and then she says

[00:51:34] about Charles Dickens,

[00:51:35] Chuck was an incredibly

[00:51:36] sweet guy

[00:51:37] but he had a tendency

[00:51:38] to embellish.

[00:51:39] Three ghosts

[00:51:39] instead of one,

[00:51:41] turkey instead

[00:51:41] of a slab of mutton.

[00:51:45] Yeah,

[00:51:46] I do like,

[00:51:47] we'll come back

[00:51:48] to this

[00:51:49] in Spirited

[00:51:50] but I do like,

[00:51:51] and I like this

[00:51:52] with It's a Wonderful Life

[00:51:54] last year,

[00:51:54] the whole idea

[00:51:55] of the afterlife

[00:51:56] having like

[00:51:56] bureaucratic structures.

[00:51:58] Yeah,

[00:51:59] yeah,

[00:51:59] exactly.

[00:51:59] It's very funny

[00:52:00] to me.

[00:52:01] Yeah,

[00:52:02] and Beetlejuice

[00:52:03] is like that too,

[00:52:03] yeah.

[00:52:04] Yeah.

[00:52:05] Carol says

[00:52:06] she always thought

[00:52:06] Scrooge was the victim

[00:52:07] which is like,

[00:52:08] okay,

[00:52:08] sure.

[00:52:09] But she still

[00:52:10] had to look up

[00:52:10] the plot.

[00:52:11] Yeah.

[00:52:13] We do get

[00:52:14] a Star Wars reference

[00:52:15] when Carol can't

[00:52:15] remember Christmas

[00:52:16] Carol,

[00:52:16] she makes,

[00:52:17] Carrie Fisher

[00:52:18] makes a Star Wars

[00:52:19] reference,

[00:52:19] so wink,

[00:52:20] wink.

[00:52:21] Yeah,

[00:52:21] wink,

[00:52:22] wink,

[00:52:22] nudge,

[00:52:22] nudge.

[00:52:23] I noticed

[00:52:24] that it's also

[00:52:25] like Scrooge

[00:52:26] in the sense

[00:52:27] that like

[00:52:27] her hallucinations

[00:52:28] or whatever

[00:52:29] started a party

[00:52:30] so people just

[00:52:30] think she's

[00:52:31] losing it.

[00:52:32] Yeah,

[00:52:34] yeah.

[00:52:34] I do like the,

[00:52:36] it's very well done

[00:52:37] when she goes back

[00:52:38] into the past.

[00:52:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:52:40] They've got like

[00:52:40] the movie theater

[00:52:41] with Back to the Future

[00:52:43] and the newspaper

[00:52:44] with,

[00:52:45] you know,

[00:52:46] Reagan names

[00:52:46] first female

[00:52:47] Supreme Court

[00:52:48] Justice Sandra Day

[00:52:49] O'Connor.

[00:52:50] For me,

[00:52:51] it was the break dancers.

[00:52:52] Like,

[00:52:52] how do you know

[00:52:52] it's 80s?

[00:52:53] Like,

[00:52:53] look,

[00:52:53] there's break dancers

[00:52:55] in their dress

[00:52:55] like MC Hammer.

[00:52:58] There's leg warmers.

[00:53:00] Look,

[00:53:00] that's how you know

[00:53:01] it's 1985.

[00:53:01] 85.

[00:53:04] But okay,

[00:53:05] one weird thing

[00:53:06] is so

[00:53:06] if Eve,

[00:53:08] Eve was her old boss

[00:53:09] and she's supposed

[00:53:09] to be playing

[00:53:10] the Marley role,

[00:53:11] it seems like Eve

[00:53:12] was a good person

[00:53:12] while she was alive

[00:53:13] and this movie

[00:53:15] defines a good person

[00:53:16] by saying

[00:53:16] you should read

[00:53:17] more good novels

[00:53:18] instead of just

[00:53:19] caring about

[00:53:20] making money.

[00:53:21] And also,

[00:53:22] And Carol grew

[00:53:23] the business

[00:53:23] after her death.

[00:53:24] So why is Eve

[00:53:25] coming,

[00:53:26] you know,

[00:53:27] why is she,

[00:53:28] the story

[00:53:29] is that Marley

[00:53:30] says don't let

[00:53:31] happen to you

[00:53:31] what happened to me

[00:53:32] and here she's like

[00:53:33] I was good

[00:53:34] but I just want to help you.

[00:53:35] but you've gone off the road.

[00:53:36] Also,

[00:53:37] it seems to define

[00:53:37] good person as

[00:53:38] must be romantically

[00:53:40] involved with

[00:53:41] brackets,

[00:53:42] ideal partner

[00:53:43] as well.

[00:53:43] Well,

[00:53:44] that's hallmark.

[00:53:45] Like I said

[00:53:45] in the voice footage,

[00:53:47] I'm not sure

[00:53:47] they quite understand

[00:53:48] the moral

[00:53:49] of A Christmas Carol

[00:53:50] because it is like

[00:53:52] that it would be

[00:53:52] it would be like

[00:53:53] it would be like

[00:53:54] Scrooge

[00:53:54] in a straight adaptation,

[00:53:56] you know,

[00:53:56] going to Bell's

[00:53:57] house at the end

[00:53:58] of the book

[00:53:59] rather than

[00:53:59] rather than

[00:54:01] Cratchit's.

[00:54:02] Also,

[00:54:03] like he's a

[00:54:05] the boyfriend character

[00:54:06] is a struggling

[00:54:07] novelist

[00:54:08] and they're both

[00:54:09] you know,

[00:54:10] in the past

[00:54:10] they're both

[00:54:11] short of money

[00:54:12] but they

[00:54:13] so they move

[00:54:13] into this

[00:54:14] supposedly run-down

[00:54:15] apartment

[00:54:16] which looks

[00:54:17] amazing

[00:54:18] in the way

[00:54:19] that all

[00:54:19] hallmark homes

[00:54:20] do

[00:54:20] where she buys

[00:54:22] him this

[00:54:22] really expensive

[00:54:23] antique

[00:54:25] typewriter

[00:54:26] as well.

[00:54:28] No.

[00:54:29] I have to say

[00:54:30] at the end

[00:54:31] I paused

[00:54:32] and read

[00:54:32] the first page

[00:54:33] of Ben's

[00:54:34] book

[00:54:34] that was supposed

[00:54:35] to be so brilliant

[00:54:35] it was going to

[00:54:36] change everybody's

[00:54:37] life

[00:54:37] and I'm sorry

[00:54:37] that's not going

[00:54:38] to be a bestseller.

[00:54:41] I know I wasn't

[00:54:42] supposed to

[00:54:42] pull it

[00:54:43] like I

[00:54:44] paused

[00:54:44] and I

[00:54:45] read things

[00:54:45] in silo

[00:54:46] and they

[00:54:46] actually

[00:54:46] deepen my

[00:54:47] appreciation

[00:54:48] in this

[00:54:48] case

[00:54:48] I'm like

[00:54:49] oh

[00:54:49] hallmark

[00:54:52] but oh

[00:54:53] we didn't

[00:54:53] mention also

[00:54:54] that she

[00:54:54] had

[00:54:55] Tanya

[00:54:55] was one

[00:54:55] of her

[00:54:56] assistants

[00:54:56] she fired

[00:54:57] and she

[00:54:57] had kids

[00:54:58] and

[00:55:00] oh and

[00:55:01] about her

[00:55:02] I

[00:55:02] one thing

[00:55:03] I did

[00:55:03] like

[00:55:03] okay

[00:55:04] a positive

[00:55:04] thing

[00:55:04] is that

[00:55:06] she says

[00:55:06] about

[00:55:07] I don't like

[00:55:07] that she says

[00:55:08] this obviously

[00:55:08] but I think

[00:55:09] it's very

[00:55:09] characteristic

[00:55:10] of Scrooge

[00:55:10] she says

[00:55:11] I love

[00:55:11] my mom

[00:55:12] I pay

[00:55:12] for everything

[00:55:13] time is

[00:55:14] expensive

[00:55:14] and I can

[00:55:15] see her

[00:55:16] really believing

[00:55:16] that like

[00:55:17] that's how

[00:55:17] that's her

[00:55:18] love language

[00:55:18] is paying

[00:55:19] for things

[00:55:20] yeah

[00:55:21] but she

[00:55:22] must really

[00:55:22] have been

[00:55:23] a crappy

[00:55:23] ex

[00:55:24] if she didn't

[00:55:24] know who

[00:55:25] her ex's

[00:55:25] sister was

[00:55:26] I found

[00:55:29] the grave

[00:55:30] at the end

[00:55:30] anticlimactic

[00:55:31] too

[00:55:31] yeah

[00:55:32] I gotta say

[00:55:33] the grave

[00:55:33] at the end

[00:55:34] it's a bit

[00:55:35] anticlimactic

[00:55:36] but I thought

[00:55:36] that the

[00:55:37] assistant

[00:55:38] you know

[00:55:39] she

[00:55:39] because

[00:55:40] actually

[00:55:40] the thing

[00:55:41] is

[00:55:41] the thing

[00:55:42] is

[00:55:42] actually

[00:55:43] Carol

[00:55:43] is

[00:55:44] Carol

[00:55:44] kind of

[00:55:45] doubles

[00:55:45] as both

[00:55:45] Scrooge

[00:55:46] and Marley

[00:55:47] in this

[00:55:48] in this

[00:55:49] sort of telling

[00:55:50] because

[00:55:50] it's the

[00:55:51] assistant

[00:55:51] that she

[00:55:52] no

[00:55:53] she succeeds

[00:55:54] in making

[00:55:54] the assistant

[00:55:55] into

[00:55:55] this hard

[00:55:57] self-contained

[00:55:59] uber

[00:55:59] successful

[00:56:00] publishing

[00:56:02] person

[00:56:03] so it's

[00:56:03] this weird

[00:56:04] Carol is

[00:56:04] this weird

[00:56:05] combination

[00:56:06] of both

[00:56:06] Scrooge

[00:56:07] and Marley

[00:56:08] and I

[00:56:09] thought

[00:56:09] the actor

[00:56:11] playing

[00:56:11] the assistant

[00:56:12] actually

[00:56:13] really

[00:56:13] nailed

[00:56:15] that

[00:56:15] because

[00:56:16] there's

[00:56:16] this whole

[00:56:17] thing of

[00:56:17] I didn't

[00:56:18] bring

[00:56:18] flowers

[00:56:19] I know

[00:56:19] you would

[00:56:19] have

[00:56:20] thought

[00:56:20] it

[00:56:21] was

[00:56:21] wasteful

[00:56:22] or

[00:56:22] something

[00:56:22] like

[00:56:22] that

[00:56:23] I

[00:56:23] thought

[00:56:24] that

[00:56:24] was

[00:56:25] actually

[00:56:25] quite

[00:56:25] effective

[00:56:26] no

[00:56:26] I

[00:56:26] quite

[00:56:27] like

[00:56:27] Kendra

[00:56:27] and I'm

[00:56:28] glad

[00:56:28] that

[00:56:28] she

[00:56:28] got

[00:56:29] she

[00:56:29] eventually

[00:56:30] at the

[00:56:30] end

[00:56:30] actually

[00:56:31] she

[00:56:31] doesn't

[00:56:31] get

[00:56:32] transferred

[00:56:32] to

[00:56:32] London

[00:56:32] like

[00:56:33] she

[00:56:33] asked

[00:56:33] instead

[00:56:33] she gets

[00:56:34] a

[00:56:34] one

[00:56:34] year

[00:56:35] sabbatical

[00:56:35] to do

[00:56:36] writing

[00:56:36] which

[00:56:36] I'm like

[00:56:37] she can

[00:56:38] give her

[00:56:39] the job

[00:56:39] and she

[00:56:40] can

[00:56:40] also

[00:56:40] do

[00:56:40] writing

[00:56:42] I don't

[00:56:42] know

[00:56:43] what

[00:56:43] you

[00:56:43] this

[00:56:43] is

[00:56:44] this

[00:56:44] magical

[00:56:44] hallmark

[00:56:45] reality

[00:56:45] where

[00:56:46] if

[00:56:46] you

[00:56:46] just

[00:56:46] write

[00:56:46] a

[00:56:47] book

[00:56:47] you'll

[00:56:47] immediately

[00:56:47] earn a

[00:56:48] bunch

[00:57:03] of

[00:57:08] if

[00:57:08] I

[00:57:08] could

[00:57:08] write

[00:57:08] that

[00:57:09] book

[00:57:10] that

[00:57:11] Hallmark

[00:57:12] call me

[00:57:12] I'll

[00:57:28] make

[00:57:29] in the

[00:57:29] adaptations

[00:57:29] I

[00:57:30] like

[00:57:31] that

[00:57:31] Tanya

[00:57:31] and her

[00:57:31] daughter

[00:57:32] keep

[00:57:32] shutting

[00:57:32] the

[00:57:33] door

[00:57:33] in

[00:57:33] her

[00:57:33] face

[00:57:33] I'm

[00:57:33] like

[00:57:34] that's

[00:57:34] fair

[00:57:34] this

[00:57:34] is

[00:57:35] fair

[00:57:36] even

[00:57:36] the

[00:57:37] child

[00:57:37] is

[00:57:37] like

[00:57:37] no

[00:57:40] she's

[00:57:40] still

[00:57:41] reluctant

[00:57:41] to give

[00:57:41] the

[00:57:42] whole

[00:57:42] office

[00:57:42] benefits

[00:57:43] at the

[00:57:43] end

[00:57:43] but

[00:57:43] eventually

[00:57:44] relents

[00:57:45] but

[00:57:46] I

[00:57:46] have

[00:57:46] questions

[00:57:46] about

[00:57:47] they

[00:57:47] actually

[00:57:48] really

[00:57:48] planned

[00:57:49] the

[00:57:49] revolt

[00:57:50] like

[00:57:50] Carson

[00:57:51] Kressler

[00:57:51] and

[00:57:52] you know

[00:57:52] the other

[00:57:53] assistants

[00:57:53] and whatever

[00:57:54] the other

[00:57:55] staff

[00:57:55] they'd

[00:57:56] already

[00:57:57] called

[00:57:57] all

[00:57:57] their

[00:57:58] clients

[00:57:58] and said

[00:57:59] do you

[00:57:59] want to

[00:58:00] leave

[00:58:00] with me

[00:58:00] so now

[00:58:01] they have

[00:58:01] to call

[00:58:02] them all

[00:58:04] the coup

[00:58:05] is off

[00:58:05] we got

[00:58:05] benefits

[00:58:06] and also

[00:58:07] like

[00:58:07] also

[00:58:08] like

[00:58:09] Carol

[00:58:10] makes

[00:58:10] the

[00:58:11] entire

[00:58:11] staff

[00:58:11] of the

[00:58:12] publishing

[00:58:13] company

[00:58:13] come in

[00:58:14] on Christmas

[00:58:15] day

[00:58:15] yeah

[00:58:16] why

[00:58:17] like

[00:58:18] there's

[00:58:18] nothing

[00:58:19] for

[00:58:19] there'll

[00:58:19] be

[00:58:19] nothing

[00:58:20] for

[00:58:20] them

[00:58:20] to do

[00:58:20] and also

[00:58:21] at the

[00:58:22] end

[00:58:22] it's

[00:58:22] not

[00:58:22] go

[00:58:23] home

[00:58:23] and

[00:58:23] everybody

[00:58:23] spend

[00:58:24] time

[00:58:24] with

[00:58:24] your

[00:58:24] farmers

[00:58:24] no

[00:58:25] it's

[00:58:25] coming

[00:58:25] to the

[00:58:26] office

[00:58:26] and we'll

[00:58:26] have a

[00:58:27] massive

[00:58:27] Christmas

[00:58:27] dinner

[00:58:27] together

[00:58:28] it's

[00:58:28] like

[00:58:28] if I'm

[00:58:29] an employee

[00:58:30] of that

[00:58:30] company

[00:58:31] screw that

[00:58:31] I'm going

[00:58:32] home and

[00:58:33] having

[00:58:33] Christmas

[00:58:33] dinner

[00:58:33] with my

[00:58:34] family

[00:58:34] thank you

[00:58:35] very much

[00:58:35] to be

[00:58:36] honest

[00:58:36] there's

[00:58:36] a few

[00:58:38] there's

[00:58:38] a few

[00:58:39] where

[00:58:39] this

[00:58:39] comes up

[00:58:41] even

[00:58:41] also the

[00:58:42] next one

[00:58:43] yeah

[00:58:43] before

[00:58:44] do you

[00:58:44] have any

[00:58:44] final thoughts

[00:58:45] about

[00:58:45] It's

[00:58:45] Christmas

[00:58:45] Carol

[00:58:46] before we

[00:58:46] get

[00:58:46] into

[00:58:47] the

[00:58:47] next

[00:58:47] no

[00:58:47] except

[00:58:48] it's

[00:58:48] always

[00:58:48] really

[00:58:49] nice

[00:58:49] to see

[00:58:49] Carrie

[00:58:50] Fisher

[00:58:50] in

[00:58:51] stuff

[00:58:52] that

[00:58:52] isn't

[00:58:52] Star Trek

[00:58:53] Star Wars

[00:58:54] isn't

[00:58:55] Star Wars

[00:58:55] leave that

[00:58:57] in

[00:58:58] yeah

[00:58:59] it's

[00:58:59] stuff

[00:58:59] that

[00:58:59] isn't

[00:58:59] Star Wars

[00:59:00] and like

[00:59:02] she just

[00:59:04] brings

[00:59:04] an element

[00:59:06] of

[00:59:08] class

[00:59:09] gravitas

[00:59:10] I don't

[00:59:10] know what

[00:59:11] you want

[00:59:11] to call

[00:59:11] it

[00:59:11] but she

[00:59:12] just

[00:59:12] raises

[00:59:13] the level

[00:59:13] of the

[00:59:14] whole

[00:59:14] film

[00:59:15] she's

[00:59:16] just

[00:59:16] like

[00:59:18] she just

[00:59:19] has

[00:59:19] it

[00:59:20] whatever

[00:59:20] it

[00:59:30] I

[00:59:30] really

[00:59:31] like

[00:59:31] her

[00:59:31] daughter

[00:59:31] too

[00:59:31] Billy

[00:59:32] Lord

[00:59:32] I'd

[00:59:33] like

[00:59:33] to

[00:59:33] see

[00:59:33] her

[00:59:34] more

[00:59:34] stuff

[00:59:34] too

[00:59:34] she's

[00:59:35] been

[00:59:35] especially

[00:59:36] good

[00:59:36] in

[00:59:36] like

[00:59:37] American

[00:59:38] horror

[00:59:38] story

[00:59:38] and

[00:59:38] stuff

[00:59:39] okay

[00:59:41] all right

[00:59:42] moving

[00:59:42] on to

[00:59:43] a

[00:59:44] diva's

[00:59:45] Christmas

[00:59:45] Carol

[00:59:45] from

[00:59:46] 2000

[00:59:46] this

[00:59:47] was

[00:59:47] a

[00:59:48] VH1

[00:59:48] production

[00:59:49] and it

[00:59:50] was

[00:59:50] directed

[00:59:51] and written

[00:59:51] by

[00:59:52] Richard

[00:59:52] Shankman

[00:59:53] who

[00:59:53] Richard

[00:59:54] Shankman

[00:59:55] he's

[00:59:55] probably

[00:59:56] best

[00:59:56] known

[00:59:56] for

[00:59:56] the

[00:59:56] man

[00:59:56] from

[00:59:57] earth

[00:59:57] my

[00:59:57] personal

[00:59:58] favorite

[00:59:58] of

[00:59:58] his

[00:59:58] is

[00:59:59] Abraham

[00:59:59] Lincoln

[00:59:59] versus

[01:00:00] zombies

[01:00:00] and

[01:00:02] the

[01:00:02] Scrooge

[01:00:03] in this

[01:00:03] one

[01:00:03] was

[01:00:03] Vanessa

[01:00:04] Williams

[01:00:04] who's

[01:00:05] Ebony

[01:00:05] Scrooge

[01:00:06] which is

[01:00:06] very smart

[01:00:07] I get it

[01:00:08] I see

[01:00:08] what you

[01:00:08] did there

[01:00:09] other

[01:00:10] notable

[01:00:10] casts

[01:00:11] includes

[01:00:11] Chili

[01:00:12] from

[01:00:12] you know

[01:00:13] TLC

[01:00:15] Brian

[01:00:16] McNamara

[01:00:16] as

[01:00:17] Bob

[01:00:17] Cratchit

[01:00:18] and

[01:00:18] Kathy

[01:00:18] Griffin

[01:00:19] as

[01:00:19] the

[01:00:19] ghost

[01:00:20] of

[01:00:20] Christmas

[01:00:20] past

[01:00:21] so

[01:00:22] all

[01:00:22] right

[01:00:22] let's

[01:00:22] check

[01:00:23] in

[01:00:23] first

[01:00:23] with

[01:00:23] what

[01:00:24] Luke

[01:00:24] thought

[01:00:25] about

[01:00:25] it

[01:00:25] after

[01:00:26] he

[01:00:26] watched

[01:00:26] okay

[01:00:28] so I

[01:00:28] just

[01:00:29] finished

[01:00:29] watching

[01:00:29] the

[01:00:30] 2000s

[01:00:31] version

[01:00:31] of

[01:00:33] a

[01:00:33] Christmas

[01:00:34] diva's

[01:00:35] Christmas

[01:00:35] Carol

[01:00:37] I

[01:00:38] haven't

[01:00:38] laughed

[01:00:39] at any

[01:00:40] of the

[01:00:41] adaptations

[01:00:41] as much

[01:00:42] as I

[01:00:42] laughed

[01:00:42] at that

[01:00:43] the

[01:00:45] truly

[01:00:45] inspired

[01:00:46] choice

[01:00:47] to make

[01:00:49] the whole

[01:00:49] of

[01:00:50] a

[01:00:51] Christmas

[01:00:51] yet

[01:00:51] to

[01:00:52] come

[01:00:52] a

[01:00:53] Christmas

[01:00:54] yet

[01:00:54] to

[01:00:54] come

[01:00:54] bit

[01:00:55] a

[01:00:55] behind

[01:00:56] the

[01:00:56] music

[01:00:56] special

[01:00:57] speaking

[01:00:57] as

[01:00:58] somebody

[01:00:58] who

[01:00:58] used

[01:00:58] to

[01:00:58] watch

[01:00:59] behind

[01:00:59] the

[01:00:59] music

[01:00:59] a

[01:01:00] lot

[01:01:00] I

[01:01:01] laughed

[01:01:01] so

[01:01:02] hard

[01:01:02] at that

[01:01:02] I

[01:01:03] had

[01:01:03] to

[01:01:03] pause

[01:01:03] the

[01:01:03] movie

[01:01:06] it's

[01:01:07] just

[01:01:07] it's

[01:01:07] really

[01:01:08] funny

[01:01:10] it

[01:01:10] definitely

[01:01:11] falls

[01:01:11] into

[01:01:11] the

[01:01:12] so

[01:01:12] bad

[01:01:12] it's

[01:01:12] good

[01:01:13] category

[01:01:13] also

[01:01:14] Cratchit

[01:01:15] and

[01:01:15] Scrooge

[01:01:15] are

[01:01:16] sleeping

[01:01:16] together

[01:01:18] that's

[01:01:18] a

[01:01:19] weird

[01:01:19] bit

[01:01:20] of

[01:01:20] adaptation

[01:01:21] didn't

[01:01:22] see

[01:01:22] that

[01:01:22] twist

[01:01:23] coming

[01:01:24] Vanessa

[01:01:25] Williams

[01:01:26] is

[01:01:26] great

[01:01:27] as

[01:01:27] Ebony

[01:01:27] Scrooge

[01:01:28] although

[01:01:29] I

[01:01:29] have

[01:01:29] to

[01:01:43] good

[01:01:43] jokes

[01:01:44] there's

[01:01:44] a

[01:01:44] particularly

[01:01:45] good

[01:01:45] joke

[01:01:45] at the

[01:01:46] beginning

[01:01:46] where

[01:01:46] they

[01:01:46] are

[01:01:46] clearly

[01:01:47] taking

[01:01:47] the

[01:01:48] mick

[01:01:49] and

[01:01:49] they

[01:01:49] are

[01:01:49] clearly

[01:01:51] pastiching

[01:01:51] Mariah

[01:01:52] Carey's

[01:01:53] all I

[01:01:53] want

[01:01:53] for

[01:02:13] the

[01:02:13] fun

[01:02:16] and

[01:02:17] the

[01:02:17] V

[01:02:17] film

[01:02:18] they

[01:02:19] were

[01:02:19] used

[01:02:19] judiciously

[01:02:20] yes

[01:02:21] it's

[01:02:22] hammy

[01:02:23] with

[01:02:23] wooden

[01:02:23] acting

[01:02:24] from

[01:02:24] many

[01:02:24] of

[01:02:24] the

[01:02:24] non

[01:02:25] Vanessa

[01:02:25] Williams

[01:02:25] actors

[01:02:26] but

[01:02:26] it

[01:02:26] shows

[01:02:27] surprising

[01:02:27] respect

[01:02:28] for

[01:02:28] the

[01:02:28] source

[01:02:28] material

[01:02:29] which

[01:02:29] the

[01:02:30] writers

[01:02:30] have

[01:02:30] clearly

[01:02:30] actually

[01:02:31] read

[01:02:31] all in

[01:02:32] all

[01:02:32] a

[01:02:33] likable

[01:02:33] take

[01:02:33] I

[01:02:33] can

[01:02:34] see

[01:02:34] myself

[01:02:34] revisiting

[01:02:35] again

[01:02:35] I

[01:02:36] just

[01:02:36] don't

[01:02:36] get

[01:02:36] why

[01:02:36] it's

[01:02:37] so

[01:02:37] hard

[01:02:37] to

[01:02:37] find

[01:02:37] and

[01:02:38] why

[01:02:39] don't

[01:02:39] we

[01:02:39] get

[01:02:39] to

[01:02:40] enjoy

[01:02:40] Vanessa

[01:02:40] Williams

[01:02:41] in

[01:02:41] more

[01:02:41] films

[01:02:42] in

[01:02:42] general

[01:02:43] so

[01:02:44] yes

[01:02:44] I

[01:02:45] came

[01:02:45] out

[01:02:45] of

[01:02:45] this

[01:02:45] with

[01:02:46] a

[01:02:46] renewed

[01:02:46] love

[01:02:47] of

[01:02:47] Vanessa

[01:02:47] Williams

[01:02:48] especially

[01:02:49] yeah

[01:02:50] like I

[01:02:50] say

[01:02:50] I

[01:02:51] think

[01:02:51] I

[01:02:51] I'm

[01:02:51] not

[01:02:52] saying

[01:02:52] this

[01:02:53] has

[01:02:54] any

[01:02:54] relation

[01:02:54] to

[01:02:54] what

[01:02:55] Vanessa

[01:02:55] Williams

[01:02:55] is

[01:02:56] like

[01:02:56] as

[01:02:56] a

[01:02:56] person

[01:02:57] I've

[01:02:57] never

[01:02:57] met

[01:02:57] Vanessa

[01:02:58] Williams

[01:02:58] I don't

[01:02:58] know

[01:02:58] what

[01:02:59] she's

[01:02:59] like

[01:02:59] but

[01:02:59] she's

[01:03:00] very

[01:03:00] good

[01:03:00] at

[01:03:00] playing

[01:03:01] these

[01:03:01] kind

[01:03:01] of

[01:03:01] bitchy

[01:03:02] mean

[01:03:04] characters

[01:03:04] she's

[01:03:05] kind

[01:03:05] of

[01:03:05] played

[01:03:06] the

[01:03:22] it's

[01:03:23] quite

[01:03:23] narrow

[01:03:23] and

[01:03:24] like

[01:03:24] I

[01:03:25] said

[01:03:25] she's

[01:03:25] better

[01:03:26] as

[01:03:27] the

[01:03:27] bitchy

[01:03:27] deavery

[01:03:28] Scrooge

[01:03:29] than

[01:03:29] the

[01:03:30] redeemed

[01:03:30] Scrooge

[01:03:31] at the

[01:03:31] end

[01:03:31] like

[01:03:32] like

[01:03:32] I

[01:03:32] said

[01:03:32] in

[01:03:32] the

[01:03:32] voice

[01:03:33] I

[01:03:34] was

[01:03:34] like

[01:03:35] I

[01:03:36] used

[01:03:36] to

[01:03:36] love

[01:03:36] behind

[01:03:37] the

[01:03:37] music

[01:03:37] I

[01:03:38] watched

[01:03:39] a lot

[01:03:39] behind

[01:03:39] the

[01:03:40] music

[01:03:40] and

[01:03:41] that

[01:03:41] whole

[01:03:41] section

[01:03:42] of

[01:03:42] Christmas

[01:03:42] yet

[01:03:43] to

[01:03:43] come

[01:03:43] as

[01:03:43] a

[01:03:43] behind

[01:03:43] the

[01:03:44] music

[01:03:44] episode

[01:03:45] just

[01:03:46] I

[01:03:48] laughed

[01:03:48] so

[01:03:49] hard

[01:03:49] at

[01:03:49] that

[01:03:49] I

[01:03:50] was

[01:03:50] in

[01:03:51] stitches

[01:03:54] I

[01:03:56] expected

[01:03:56] this

[01:03:57] to be

[01:03:57] more

[01:03:57] of a

[01:03:58] musical

[01:03:58] going

[01:03:59] in

[01:03:59] just

[01:03:59] I

[01:04:00] thought

[01:04:00] yeah

[01:04:00] that

[01:04:00] it's

[01:04:00] gonna

[01:04:01] be

[01:04:01] like

[01:04:01] a

[01:04:01] straight

[01:04:01] up

[01:04:01] musical

[01:04:02] but

[01:04:02] it

[01:04:02] wasn't

[01:04:02] really

[01:04:02] it

[01:04:03] was

[01:04:03] just

[01:04:03] it's

[01:04:03] about

[01:04:04] a

[01:04:04] singer

[01:04:05] I

[01:04:05] love

[01:04:05] how

[01:04:05] basically

[01:04:06] all

[01:04:06] these

[01:04:06] we're

[01:04:07] talking

[01:04:07] about

[01:04:07] today

[01:04:07] have

[01:04:08] them

[01:04:08] doing

[01:04:08] something

[01:04:09] in

[01:04:09] the

[01:04:09] arts

[01:04:10] instead

[01:04:10] of

[01:04:10] counting

[01:04:11] money

[01:04:11] because

[01:04:11] these

[01:04:12] films

[01:04:12] are

[01:04:12] all

[01:04:12] made

[01:04:13] by

[01:04:13] artists

[01:04:15] but

[01:04:15] yeah

[01:04:15] she

[01:04:16] she's

[01:04:16] a

[01:04:22] it's

[01:04:22] not

[01:04:22] a

[01:04:22] musical

[01:04:24] moment

[01:04:24] but

[01:04:25] it's

[01:04:25] not

[01:04:25] like

[01:04:25] people

[01:04:25] stop

[01:04:26] and

[01:04:26] dance

[01:04:26] or

[01:04:26] something

[01:04:27] just

[01:04:28] sometimes

[01:04:28] she sings

[01:04:28] on stage

[01:04:29] but yeah

[01:04:30] she's

[01:04:30] ebony

[01:04:31] she's

[01:04:31] a diva

[01:04:32] bitchy

[01:04:32] singer

[01:04:33] and

[01:04:34] they

[01:04:34] open

[01:04:35] filming

[01:04:35] a music

[01:04:36] video

[01:04:36] in France

[01:04:37] which we

[01:04:37] never see

[01:04:38] outside

[01:04:38] so they

[01:04:39] seem like

[01:04:40] they imported

[01:04:40] some real

[01:04:40] French

[01:04:41] people

[01:04:41] to be

[01:04:43] there

[01:04:43] in the

[01:04:43] cast

[01:04:44] but I

[01:04:44] do not

[01:04:44] believe

[01:04:44] for a

[01:04:45] second

[01:04:45] that was

[01:04:45] filmed

[01:04:45] in France

[01:04:46] but then

[01:04:47] they have

[01:04:48] to make

[01:04:48] the joke

[01:04:50] she demands

[01:04:51] French toast

[01:04:52] and they're

[01:04:52] like

[01:04:53] qu'est-ce que c'est

[01:04:53] French toast

[01:04:54] which of course

[01:04:57] that's obviously

[01:04:58] not what they

[01:04:59] call it

[01:05:00] it's called

[01:05:01] pain perdu

[01:05:01] in French

[01:05:02] lost

[01:05:03] lost

[01:05:04] bread

[01:05:04] yeah

[01:05:04] basically

[01:05:05] yeah

[01:05:05] but no

[01:05:06] I just

[01:05:06] like

[01:05:07] if you

[01:05:07] if you

[01:05:08] ever watch

[01:05:08] the video

[01:05:09] for all

[01:05:09] I want

[01:05:10] for Christmas

[01:05:10] they are

[01:05:11] clearly

[01:05:11] taking

[01:05:12] the mick

[01:05:12] out of

[01:05:13] that

[01:05:13] in a

[01:05:13] huge

[01:05:14] way

[01:05:14] with a

[01:05:14] coughing

[01:05:15] in the

[01:05:16] fake

[01:05:16] snow

[01:05:17] and yeah

[01:05:18] that

[01:05:18] made me

[01:05:20] laugh

[01:05:21] yeah

[01:05:22] and also

[01:05:23] they come

[01:05:24] back to

[01:05:25] Mariah Carey

[01:05:26] later on

[01:05:27] in the

[01:05:27] VH1 special

[01:05:28] she stole

[01:05:30] Mariah Carey's

[01:05:31] dress

[01:05:31] she had to

[01:05:32] go on stage

[01:05:32] in her

[01:05:33] underwear

[01:05:33] not that

[01:05:35] you could

[01:05:35] tell the

[01:05:37] difference

[01:05:38] yeah

[01:05:41] one thing

[01:05:42] I like

[01:05:42] about this

[01:05:42] twist too

[01:05:43] is that

[01:05:43] they

[01:05:44] they talk

[01:05:45] about how

[01:05:46] Christmas

[01:05:46] is actually

[01:05:47] a really

[01:05:47] commercial

[01:05:48] holiday

[01:05:48] so

[01:05:49] you know

[01:05:49] it's not

[01:05:50] Scrooge

[01:05:50] I'm going

[01:05:51] to ignore

[01:05:51] Christmas

[01:05:52] it's

[01:05:52] Scrooge

[01:05:53] I'm going

[01:05:53] to use

[01:05:54] Christmas

[01:05:55] to milk

[01:05:56] some money

[01:05:56] because it's

[01:05:57] a really

[01:05:57] lucrative

[01:05:57] time of

[01:05:58] year

[01:05:58] so that's

[01:05:59] why she

[01:05:59] forces people

[01:06:00] to work

[01:06:00] on Christmas

[01:06:02] but is she

[01:06:03] the first

[01:06:04] Scrooge

[01:06:04] we've seen

[01:06:05] who's actually

[01:06:05] being embezzled

[01:06:06] from

[01:06:06] yes

[01:06:07] I mean

[01:06:08] this is

[01:06:08] the thing

[01:06:09] like

[01:06:11] obviously

[01:06:11] it's mean

[01:06:12] to make

[01:06:12] people

[01:06:13] work

[01:06:13] Christmas

[01:06:13] and you

[01:06:14] shouldn't

[01:06:14] do it

[01:06:15] but in

[01:06:15] some ways

[01:06:16] this version

[01:06:17] of Scrooge

[01:06:17] is sympathetic

[01:06:18] because this

[01:06:18] version of Scrooge

[01:06:19] is having

[01:06:19] financial problems

[01:06:21] right

[01:06:22] like yeah

[01:06:23] and she

[01:06:24] apparently

[01:06:25] doesn't look

[01:06:25] twice

[01:06:26] at her

[01:06:26] own

[01:06:26] accounting

[01:06:27] because

[01:06:27] she's

[01:06:27] like

[01:06:28] the

[01:06:28] accountant

[01:06:28] says

[01:06:29] that

[01:06:29] all this

[01:06:30] money

[01:06:30] we make

[01:06:30] disappears

[01:06:31] it turns

[01:06:32] out her

[01:06:33] accountant

[01:06:33] is stealing

[01:06:34] from her

[01:06:34] yeah

[01:06:35] it's

[01:06:35] disappearing

[01:06:35] into his

[01:06:36] pocket

[01:06:37] um

[01:06:38] but I do

[01:06:39] like the

[01:06:39] fact

[01:06:39] that

[01:06:40] like

[01:06:40] she

[01:06:40] stays

[01:06:41] in all

[01:06:41] the

[01:06:41] luxury

[01:06:42] hotels

[01:06:42] and by

[01:06:43] the way

[01:06:43] I would

[01:06:45] not want

[01:06:45] to stay

[01:06:45] in that

[01:06:46] hotel

[01:06:46] I'd be

[01:06:47] I'd be

[01:06:47] terrified

[01:06:47] of breaking

[01:06:48] something

[01:06:49] like the

[01:06:49] room is

[01:06:50] filled

[01:06:51] with

[01:06:52] antiques

[01:06:53] and stuff

[01:06:54] or

[01:06:55] antiques

[01:06:56] and inverted

[01:06:56] commas

[01:06:57] it's like

[01:06:57] I'd be

[01:06:58] afraid of

[01:06:58] breaking

[01:06:58] something

[01:06:59] um

[01:07:00] yeah I

[01:07:01] mean the

[01:07:01] big

[01:07:02] changes

[01:07:02] that

[01:07:03] Scrooge

[01:07:03] and

[01:07:03] Cratchit

[01:07:04] have a

[01:07:04] romantic

[01:07:05] history

[01:07:05] which

[01:07:06] right

[01:07:06] yeah

[01:07:07] no

[01:07:08] right

[01:07:08] so Bob

[01:07:09] is also

[01:07:10] Belle

[01:07:10] but

[01:07:11] and he's

[01:07:12] also

[01:07:12] married

[01:07:13] but then

[01:07:13] I'm also

[01:07:14] there's some

[01:07:15] point where

[01:07:15] he's like

[01:07:16] rubbing her

[01:07:16] shoulders

[01:07:16] I'm like

[01:07:17] wait a

[01:07:17] minute

[01:07:17] is he still

[01:07:18] trying to

[01:07:18] get with her

[01:07:19] because he

[01:07:19] is like

[01:07:20] he's also

[01:07:20] calling on

[01:07:21] the phone

[01:07:21] with his

[01:07:21] wife

[01:07:22] Kelly

[01:07:22] and I

[01:07:23] feel like

[01:07:23] Kelly

[01:07:24] doesn't

[01:07:24] deserve

[01:07:24] this

[01:07:25] and they

[01:07:25] do

[01:07:25] have a

[01:07:25] sick

[01:07:26] son

[01:07:26] named

[01:07:26] Tim

[01:07:27] and yeah

[01:07:28] and like

[01:07:29] marital

[01:07:29] problem

[01:07:29] and this

[01:07:30] is the

[01:07:30] thing

[01:07:31] that

[01:07:31] this

[01:07:31] film

[01:07:32] has a

[01:07:32] real

[01:07:32] um

[01:07:33] like

[01:07:34] tonal

[01:07:35] problem

[01:07:36] because

[01:07:36] it

[01:07:37] shifts

[01:07:38] really

[01:07:39] drastically

[01:07:40] at points

[01:07:40] from being

[01:07:41] this quite

[01:07:42] light-hearted

[01:07:43] knockabout

[01:07:45] um

[01:07:45] VH1

[01:07:47] film

[01:07:47] to all of

[01:07:48] a sudden

[01:07:48] going

[01:07:48] really

[01:07:53] problems

[01:07:54] uh

[01:07:54] the

[01:07:55] ghost

[01:07:55] of

[01:07:55] christmas

[01:07:56] past

[01:07:56] ebony

[01:07:57] and her

[01:07:57] sister

[01:07:58] are um

[01:07:59] placed in

[01:08:00] foster care

[01:08:01] because

[01:08:02] their dad

[01:08:03] is an

[01:08:04] alcoholic

[01:08:04] right

[01:08:05] and like

[01:08:05] I get

[01:08:07] that that's

[01:08:07] an updating

[01:08:08] of

[01:08:08] the

[01:08:09] the

[01:08:10] ghost

[01:08:11] of

[01:08:11] christmas

[01:08:11] past

[01:08:12] but it

[01:08:12] is

[01:08:13] way

[01:08:13] way

[01:08:14] darker

[01:08:14] in tone

[01:08:15] than the

[01:08:16] rest

[01:08:16] of the

[01:08:16] film

[01:08:16] it's

[01:08:17] like

[01:08:18] that

[01:08:19] came

[01:08:19] out

[01:08:19] of

[01:08:19] left

[01:08:19] field

[01:08:20] that

[01:08:20] feels

[01:08:21] like

[01:08:22] he

[01:08:22] should

[01:08:22] be

[01:08:22] in a

[01:08:22] different

[01:08:23] movie

[01:08:24] well maybe

[01:08:24] I like

[01:08:25] that about

[01:08:25] it

[01:08:25] that it

[01:08:26] feels

[01:08:26] more

[01:08:27] grounded

[01:08:27] like

[01:08:28] you can

[01:08:28] be

[01:08:28] silly

[01:08:28] and also

[01:08:29] serious

[01:08:29] at the

[01:08:29] same

[01:08:30] time

[01:08:30] and those

[01:08:30] are my

[01:08:30] favorite

[01:08:31] types

[01:08:31] of

[01:08:31] films

[01:08:31] yeah

[01:08:32] yeah

[01:08:33] but also

[01:08:34] um

[01:08:35] there is a

[01:08:36] scene

[01:08:36] obviously

[01:08:36] um

[01:08:37] when she's

[01:08:37] in the

[01:08:37] hotel

[01:08:38] where

[01:08:38] um

[01:08:39] she's

[01:08:40] mixing

[01:08:40] i think

[01:08:41] sleeping

[01:08:41] pills

[01:08:42] and

[01:08:42] alcohol

[01:08:43] um

[01:08:43] which is

[01:08:44] not a

[01:08:45] good

[01:08:45] which is

[01:08:45] not

[01:08:45] a

[01:08:46] good

[01:08:46] idea

[01:08:46] by the

[01:08:46] way

[01:08:47] um

[01:08:48] and

[01:08:48] yeah

[01:08:49] so there's

[01:08:49] a whole

[01:08:50] riff

[01:08:50] throughout

[01:08:51] the film

[01:08:51] that she's

[01:08:52] hallucinating

[01:08:52] and she

[01:08:53] may well

[01:08:53] she may

[01:08:54] actually

[01:08:54] well be

[01:08:55] hallucinating

[01:08:56] yeah

[01:08:56] yeah

[01:08:58] well so

[01:08:58] one twist

[01:08:59] we have to

[01:08:59] talk about

[01:09:00] is that

[01:09:00] she had

[01:09:01] two best

[01:09:02] friends

[01:09:02] growing up

[01:09:03] um

[01:09:04] she had

[01:09:05] she had

[01:09:06] marley

[01:09:07] m-a-r-l-i

[01:09:09] and this

[01:09:09] ends up

[01:09:10] being the

[01:09:10] one who

[01:09:10] plays

[01:09:11] the

[01:09:11] marley

[01:09:11] ghost

[01:09:12] role

[01:09:12] later

[01:09:13] on

[01:09:13] when she

[01:09:13] died

[01:09:13] in a

[01:09:14] car

[01:09:14] accident

[01:09:14] 10

[01:09:14] years

[01:09:15] ago

[01:09:15] not

[01:09:15] seven

[01:09:15] um

[01:09:16] and then

[01:09:16] the other

[01:09:17] friend

[01:09:17] was

[01:09:18] terry

[01:09:18] who

[01:09:20] terry

[01:09:20] is

[01:09:20] kind

[01:09:21] of

[01:09:21] like

[01:09:21] we

[01:09:21] have

[01:09:22] a

[01:09:22] tim

[01:09:22] who's

[01:09:22] sick

[01:09:23] but also

[01:09:23] terry

[01:09:24] is

[01:09:24] sick

[01:09:25] so

[01:09:25] terry

[01:09:26] is

[01:09:26] also

[01:09:26] tiny

[01:09:26] tim

[01:09:27] but

[01:09:39] other

[01:09:39] tony

[01:09:39] died

[01:09:40] so

[01:09:40] okay

[01:09:40] it is

[01:09:41] actually

[01:09:41] it's

[01:09:42] it's

[01:09:43] quite

[01:09:43] faithful

[01:09:43] but also

[01:09:44] like

[01:09:44] doing

[01:09:44] some

[01:09:45] twists

[01:09:45] that we

[01:09:46] don't

[01:09:46] see

[01:09:46] in any

[01:09:46] other

[01:09:47] adaptations

[01:09:48] yeah

[01:09:48] and by

[01:09:49] the way

[01:09:50] chili

[01:09:50] from

[01:09:50] tlc

[01:09:51] is

[01:09:51] playing

[01:09:51] marley

[01:09:52] right

[01:09:53] it's

[01:09:53] the

[01:09:53] she

[01:09:55] walks

[01:09:56] in

[01:09:56] in

[01:09:56] this

[01:09:56] kind

[01:09:57] of

[01:09:57] sort

[01:09:58] of

[01:09:59] slightly

[01:09:59] faux

[01:10:00] bondage

[01:10:00] outfit

[01:10:00] and there's

[01:10:01] this great

[01:10:01] line

[01:10:01] i thought

[01:10:02] the chains

[01:10:03] went when

[01:10:03] you broke

[01:10:03] up with

[01:10:04] that guy

[01:10:04] from

[01:10:04] piramide

[01:10:06] i liked

[01:10:07] you

[01:10:07] that she

[01:10:07] has the

[01:10:08] chains

[01:10:09] but it's

[01:10:09] a nod

[01:10:09] it's a

[01:10:10] fashion

[01:10:10] accessory

[01:10:10] but

[01:10:11] it is

[01:10:11] yeah

[01:10:12] and she

[01:10:13] she pops

[01:10:13] off her

[01:10:14] head

[01:10:14] instead

[01:10:14] of her

[01:10:15] jaw

[01:10:15] and she

[01:10:15] pops

[01:10:16] off her

[01:10:16] face

[01:10:16] at one

[01:10:17] point

[01:10:17] she's

[01:10:17] like

[01:10:17] this

[01:10:17] is

[01:10:17] what

[01:10:17] i

[01:10:17] really

[01:10:18] look

[01:10:18] like

[01:10:18] yeah

[01:10:20] yeah

[01:10:21] um

[01:10:21] but we

[01:10:22] do

[01:10:22] get

[01:10:22] you know

[01:10:23] so we

[01:10:23] we

[01:10:23] have

[01:10:24] ebony

[01:10:25] celebrating

[01:10:26] christmas

[01:10:26] in new

[01:10:26] york

[01:10:27] in her

[01:10:27] fancy

[01:10:27] hotel

[01:10:28] room

[01:10:28] while

[01:10:28] the rest

[01:10:28] of

[01:10:29] of her

[01:10:29] crew

[01:10:30] is staying

[01:10:30] in some

[01:10:31] crap

[01:10:31] hotel

[01:10:31] and um

[01:10:32] she says

[01:10:33] yeah she

[01:10:34] does say

[01:10:35] the thing

[01:10:35] like homeless

[01:10:36] the homeless

[01:10:36] might be better

[01:10:37] off if they

[01:10:37] died versus

[01:10:38] living in the

[01:10:38] rat hole

[01:10:39] shelters

[01:10:39] if the

[01:10:40] shelters

[01:10:40] are so

[01:10:40] awful

[01:10:41] like damn

[01:10:42] that's

[01:10:43] very scroge

[01:10:43] uh

[01:10:44] we see

[01:10:45] the face

[01:10:45] in the

[01:10:46] hotel

[01:10:46] historical

[01:10:47] portrait

[01:10:47] instead of

[01:10:48] the door

[01:10:48] knocker

[01:10:49] and we

[01:10:50] see she

[01:10:50] does have

[01:10:50] a lonely

[01:10:51] diner

[01:10:51] but it's

[01:10:52] a lonely

[01:10:52] and very

[01:10:53] picky

[01:10:53] room service

[01:10:54] dinner

[01:10:54] like if

[01:10:55] she's treating

[01:10:55] people like

[01:10:56] that how

[01:10:56] much spit

[01:10:57] do you

[01:10:58] think she

[01:10:58] consumes

[01:10:59] lots

[01:10:59] on a

[01:10:59] monthly

[01:11:00] basis

[01:11:00] lots

[01:11:00] of spit

[01:11:02] she was so

[01:11:03] obnoxious

[01:11:06] oh what did

[01:11:07] you think of

[01:11:08] Kathy Griffin

[01:11:08] as the ghost

[01:11:09] of Christmas

[01:11:09] past

[01:11:11] it didn't

[01:11:12] like it

[01:11:13] wasn't like

[01:11:13] Kathy Griffin

[01:11:14] isn't really

[01:11:15] a not

[01:11:16] somebody I'm

[01:11:16] familiar with

[01:11:17] oh no

[01:11:18] um to be

[01:11:19] honest so

[01:11:20] yeah I

[01:11:20] thought I

[01:11:21] thought that

[01:11:22] bit was

[01:11:22] fine I

[01:11:23] enjoyed I

[01:11:24] enjoyed the

[01:11:25] whole movie

[01:11:25] and like

[01:11:27] I say it

[01:11:27] was it

[01:11:27] was the

[01:11:27] ghost of

[01:11:28] Christmas

[01:11:28] yet to

[01:11:28] come

[01:11:30] yeah

[01:11:30] that absolutely

[01:11:31] cracked me

[01:11:33] up

[01:11:34] um so

[01:11:35] Kathy Griffin

[01:11:35] is someone

[01:11:36] who I grew

[01:11:37] up watching

[01:11:37] and I always

[01:11:38] quite liked

[01:11:38] her but in

[01:11:39] this I

[01:11:39] don't know

[01:11:40] I just it

[01:11:41] didn't really

[01:11:41] work for me

[01:11:42] so much I

[01:11:42] didn't there

[01:11:43] was one line

[01:11:44] that really

[01:11:44] made me laugh

[01:11:45] was which was

[01:11:45] when she was

[01:11:46] like Ebony

[01:11:47] says stop

[01:11:48] haunting me

[01:11:49] and the ghost

[01:11:49] says stop

[01:11:50] being so

[01:11:50] hauntable

[01:11:54] but it is

[01:11:56] noticeable

[01:11:56] Ebony had a

[01:11:57] good childhood

[01:11:57] with two

[01:11:58] best friends

[01:11:58] although she

[01:11:59] stayed behind

[01:11:59] at school to

[01:12:00] practice singing

[01:12:01] it was her

[01:12:01] choice to stay

[01:12:02] behind wasn't

[01:12:03] really that she

[01:12:03] was left

[01:12:04] behind but

[01:12:05] she did have

[01:12:05] that especially

[01:12:06] mean dad

[01:12:07] what did you

[01:12:08] think of the

[01:12:09] the ghost of

[01:12:09] Christmas present

[01:12:10] was a British

[01:12:11] rock star

[01:12:11] complete with

[01:12:12] groupies

[01:12:13] yeah I

[01:12:13] could do

[01:12:14] without the

[01:12:14] ghost of

[01:12:15] Christmas present

[01:12:16] to be honest

[01:12:17] yeah I mean

[01:12:18] I like the

[01:12:19] idea more

[01:12:20] than I liked

[01:12:20] the execution

[01:12:21] of it

[01:12:22] but it made

[01:12:23] sense you know

[01:12:23] it's a different

[01:12:24] sort of indulgence

[01:12:25] decadence you

[01:12:26] know I think

[01:12:27] that's right

[01:12:27] yeah

[01:12:27] yeah

[01:12:29] um

[01:12:29] it's just not

[01:12:30] very Christmassy

[01:12:31] is it

[01:12:31] yeah

[01:12:33] yeah well

[01:12:34] it's not

[01:12:34] that's not the

[01:12:35] problem it's

[01:12:36] just the I

[01:12:36] think the it

[01:12:37] felt a little

[01:12:37] icky to me

[01:12:38] yeah and

[01:12:39] also like

[01:12:41] you know

[01:12:42] I think you

[01:12:43] said in your

[01:12:43] review a bit

[01:12:44] of wooden

[01:12:44] acting and I

[01:12:45] think the ghost

[01:12:46] of Christmas

[01:12:47] present definitely

[01:12:47] falls into that

[01:12:48] category

[01:12:49] for sure

[01:12:50] for sure

[01:12:51] but yeah

[01:12:52] this is where

[01:12:52] she sees like

[01:12:53] the hotel

[01:12:55] where the crew

[01:12:55] is staying

[01:12:55] she didn't

[01:12:56] realize it

[01:12:56] was a dump

[01:12:57] she didn't

[01:12:57] care of

[01:12:58] course

[01:12:58] um

[01:12:59] and we got

[01:13:00] there's a new

[01:13:01] girl also who's

[01:13:02] joined the crew

[01:13:03] who's she

[01:13:04] gives the

[01:13:04] tiny Tim line

[01:13:05] about god bless

[01:13:06] us everyone

[01:13:07] and uh

[01:13:08] she's she's

[01:13:09] really positive

[01:13:10] but it's because

[01:13:11] she's fresh

[01:13:12] and she hasn't

[01:13:12] had to endure

[01:13:13] anything yet

[01:13:14] we see her in

[01:13:15] the VH1 thing

[01:13:15] though where she

[01:13:16] gets kind of

[01:13:17] more cynical

[01:13:18] and jaded

[01:13:18] but when they

[01:13:19] when they go in

[01:13:20] the really nasty

[01:13:20] hotel it's like

[01:13:21] they've got a

[01:13:22] fridge and then

[01:13:23] she opens the

[01:13:23] fridge and it's

[01:13:24] the nasty

[01:13:24] awful like

[01:13:26] inside of a

[01:13:27] fridge

[01:13:27] oh it's just

[01:13:28] like frozen

[01:13:29] solid ice

[01:13:30] so you can't

[01:13:30] fit anything in

[01:13:31] there

[01:13:31] yeah

[01:13:34] and you know

[01:13:35] there's the bit

[01:13:35] in the books

[01:13:36] where the people

[01:13:37] are stealing

[01:13:37] Scrooge's stuff

[01:13:38] at the end

[01:13:38] well now we

[01:13:39] have her

[01:13:39] accountant

[01:13:39] is still

[01:13:40] is stealing

[01:13:41] her stuff

[01:13:41] while she's

[01:13:41] still alive

[01:13:42] yes

[01:13:44] they do go

[01:13:45] to a soup

[01:13:45] kitchen

[01:13:46] which is

[01:13:47] uh

[01:13:47] the it's

[01:13:48] rare that

[01:13:48] the christmas

[01:13:49] present part

[01:13:50] of these

[01:13:50] adaptations

[01:13:51] visits the

[01:13:52] poor

[01:13:52] which is

[01:13:52] like

[01:13:53] that's one

[01:13:53] of the

[01:13:53] parts of

[01:13:54] the book

[01:13:54] is they

[01:13:54] go around

[01:13:55] to a lot

[01:13:55] of the

[01:13:55] random

[01:13:56] poor

[01:13:56] people

[01:13:57] for as you

[01:13:57] pointed out

[01:13:58] what like

[01:13:58] a fortnight

[01:13:59] or no

[01:13:59] like 12

[01:13:59] days

[01:14:01] um

[01:14:01] yeah

[01:14:01] and then

[01:14:03] yeah

[01:14:03] her niece's

[01:14:03] party at

[01:14:04] the charades

[01:14:04] very classic

[01:14:05] stuff

[01:14:06] um

[01:14:06] and the

[01:14:06] present's

[01:14:07] parting words

[01:14:08] is two

[01:14:08] killers

[01:14:08] ignorance

[01:14:09] and greed

[01:14:10] keep your

[01:14:10] eye out

[01:14:11] for them

[01:14:11] and runs

[01:14:12] away

[01:14:12] so that's

[01:14:13] awesome

[01:14:14] not right

[01:14:15] from the

[01:14:15] book but

[01:14:16] like an

[01:14:16] update of

[01:14:16] the book

[01:14:17] yeah

[01:14:17] yeah

[01:14:17] you know

[01:14:19] i love

[01:14:19] the behind

[01:14:20] the music

[01:14:21] that they

[01:14:21] interviewed

[01:14:22] her but

[01:14:22] they wouldn't

[01:14:23] air the

[01:14:23] footage

[01:14:25] ouch

[01:14:27] um

[01:14:27] it this

[01:14:28] it is

[01:14:28] different in

[01:14:29] she knows

[01:14:29] it's her

[01:14:30] own death

[01:14:31] right away

[01:14:31] usually scourge

[01:14:32] doesn't

[01:14:33] is like in

[01:14:33] denial it's

[01:14:34] about his

[01:14:34] death

[01:14:34] yeah

[01:14:35] trapped in

[01:14:36] her room

[01:14:37] there's no

[01:14:37] visible ghost

[01:14:38] it's just the

[01:14:39] tvs you say

[01:14:39] and her diary

[01:14:41] was sold

[01:14:41] that is the

[01:14:42] worst

[01:14:42] that is way

[01:14:43] worse than

[01:14:44] having your

[01:14:44] bed curtain

[01:14:45] stolen

[01:14:46] but then yeah

[01:14:47] there's a

[01:14:47] light from the

[01:14:48] bed that you

[01:14:49] see that

[01:14:49] decaying body

[01:14:50] like whoa

[01:14:51] i didn't expect

[01:14:51] them to go

[01:14:52] full body

[01:14:52] horror there

[01:14:53] and then she

[01:14:53] sucked into

[01:14:54] the tv

[01:14:54] yeah look

[01:14:55] this is the

[01:14:56] thing it

[01:14:57] like i said

[01:14:58] before it's

[01:14:58] this really

[01:14:59] light fluffy

[01:15:01] um movie

[01:15:02] with a lot

[01:15:03] of with a

[01:15:03] lot of sort

[01:15:04] of you know

[01:15:05] a lot of

[01:15:05] sort of

[01:15:06] good sort

[01:15:07] of knock

[01:15:07] about um

[01:15:08] sort of

[01:15:09] verbal jokes

[01:15:10] and it all

[01:15:11] feels quite

[01:15:11] sort of light

[01:15:12] and insignificant

[01:15:13] and then all of

[01:15:14] a sudden

[01:15:14] every so often

[01:15:15] it will take

[01:15:15] these really

[01:15:16] violent swerves

[01:15:17] into wow

[01:15:19] that's much

[01:15:19] darker than i

[01:15:20] was

[01:15:20] that's much

[01:15:21] darker than i

[01:15:22] was expecting

[01:15:22] i think that's

[01:15:23] why i like it

[01:15:23] does keep you

[01:15:24] on your toes

[01:15:25] yeah

[01:15:27] yeah so

[01:15:28] okay so the

[01:15:28] happy ending

[01:15:29] that we get

[01:15:30] is well she

[01:15:31] calls out to

[01:15:31] boy and it's

[01:15:32] a carriage driver

[01:15:33] and he's like

[01:15:33] who you call

[01:15:34] him boy

[01:15:35] sorry i

[01:15:35] haven't got

[01:15:36] my glasses

[01:15:37] um but she

[01:15:38] calls kelly

[01:15:39] bob's wife to

[01:15:40] do some things

[01:15:41] for her and

[01:15:42] asks bob not

[01:15:43] to get on the

[01:15:43] plane which

[01:15:44] why would he

[01:15:44] not says

[01:15:45] mary uh

[01:15:46] says mary

[01:15:47] christmas and

[01:15:47] he's like

[01:15:48] thanks it's

[01:15:48] sarcastic and

[01:15:49] bob's plane is

[01:15:50] luckily delayed

[01:15:51] because he was

[01:15:52] not going to

[01:15:52] listen to her

[01:15:53] and meanwhile

[01:15:54] while she's

[01:15:55] like it's oh

[01:15:55] we have to

[01:15:56] make sure he

[01:15:56] doesn't go on

[01:15:57] the plane but

[01:15:58] i'll just tell

[01:15:59] him not to and

[01:16:00] then i'm gonna

[01:16:00] go to my am

[01:16:01] america appearance

[01:16:04] and she's

[01:16:05] sending cds to