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The Peacemaker season 2 finale is dividing the internet! ...And the Lorehounds? One of us liked it, one of us really didn't, and the other is somewhere in between. Jean, Elysia, and Aaron make our cases for why we feel the way we feel in this extended hot take of a special episode reacting to "Full Nelson."
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00:18 --> 00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I'm Alicia from the Laura Hounds here to defend Full Nelson this season 2 finale and maybe series finale of Peace Maker.
00:26 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm John representing the fans who did it like this finale.
00:33 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about it because this is comics versus discusses the DCU.
00:38 --> 00:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Aaron, from Radioactive Ramblings here, ready to mediate this disagreement and celebrate the fact that no vigilante were harmed during the making of this episode.
00:49 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're actually doing a different format this week.
00:52 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, this week and next week, we are dividing the episode in two because it works best with all of our real life schedules.
01:00 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, yeah, we were just saying, it gives us a week to think about things also.
01:06 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: what we're going to do is today is going to be our hot takes.
01:10 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a piece of feedback we're going to talk about some things that we're brought up in an interview that's just shared on the discord and then we're going to duck out and next weekend, same time.
01:23 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: will be back to breakdown the full episode.
01:26 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is going to be as usual.
01:30 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go right into the season 2 finale spoilers.
01:34 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So you are warned all things DC are on the table.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We might bring any of it up.
01:41 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... so stop here if you have not yet watched uh... full Nelson the title of the episode obviously the name refers to the band uh... it's also a wrestling move or either of you familiar with the band or the wrestling move the wrestling move yes not so much i'm not familiar with either i i wasn't really familiar with either um... do you know what is the wrestling move is
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't describe it.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I can see it in my mind.
02:15 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to describe it.
02:17 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a headlock where you hope your arms around the other places are?
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shoulders.
02:24 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I'm going on with it.
02:28 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you like this is like a high number right like a high-mlink, but it's not a high-mlink Yeah, because your hands behind their neck is something like that anyway.
02:39 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw picture of it I wasn't familiar with the band I guess that they are from the 70s or that was their peak in the obviously they're still making music I quite liked it.
02:51 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I saw some hating on the music I absolutely loved the music in this episode, but we'll get into that
02:57 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The tagline for this episode is as flag puts everyone around him in an increasing danger the 11th street kids must convince peacemaker that he's one of them.
03:06 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So Aaron, what did you think about this episode overall?
03:10 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Am I safe to go into spoiler territory or are we friends?
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, wonderful.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_04]: The boardau switcheroo kind of came out of nowhere for me.
03:19 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that that was Miss Handel just a little bit.
03:22 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_04]: The one hour run time was not quite enough to make me feel convinced that Bordeaux would betray Rick Flag Senior in such a big way and go off.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_04]: do her own thing with the 11th street kids.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, James gun.
03:37 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_04]: He said this was going to be a crazy episode.
03:39 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_04]: It was definitely crazy emotionally, but I wouldn't say it was crazy in the way I was expecting.
03:45 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_04]: which is not necessarily a bad thing, just different from what I was expecting.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
03:51 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_04]: I think part of what made it so different is that this whole episode may be felt a little, like a big music video, which is not out of character for James Gunn, it's very on brand for him to turn this whole thing into,
04:05 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_04]: one long festival for all of the bands that he likes, and I just know somewhere out there, there's an oversight committee that is going to have a field day with everything that Rick flag has done in this episode.
04:18 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
04:22 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
04:24 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And Jean, would you say to this episode,
04:38 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have played that way.
04:43 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, yeah, the thing is, it's not that I, it's not that this was a bad episode.
04:53 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that it didn't connect with me as a finale should have connected with me, especially since we're not even sure if we're going to get a season two.
05:05 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand that the, you know, gun was straight up and said, this we're going to, this is going to lead to the next
05:15 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But unless this crew, this cast of characters, is going to be a major, like, second star to soups in the soup movie.
05:28 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not how I wanted their story to potentially be over.
05:35 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think their story is over, though.
05:37 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not over, but in the way that they're going to be
05:45 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: With soups and lex, we all know that that's where the movie's tension is going to lie.
05:53 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much we're going to get with the 11th street crew.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What about lanterns?
06:03 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because he didn't say anything about them in lanterns.
06:06 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: If they shot my lanterns, that'll be great.
06:08 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I would love that.
06:09 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just going off on what we know right now, right?
06:14 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think this, I don't think this, this wasn't satisfying to me for them in their story.
06:22 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I know Chris's story is going to continue and I know that the whole we can get into salvation run and all that stuff, I get it.
06:33 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But the way that the series ended was very unsatisfying to me for these characters that I've grown to really love and appreciate.
06:45 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: There are crazy missteps for me.
06:49 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Sasha being one.
06:52 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Rick fact senior being another, um, just there are things that it just seems not rushed, but definitely not well fleshed out for me.
07:12 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I think flag seniors, evil turn, Kudos to Alicia for calling them out as like the number one on the list evil person on the show, and it turned out that he is, but his embrace of lex and lex's cronies just didn't make sense to me at all.
07:37 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Chris is not a meta, right?
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a meta human.
07:43 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He's extremely skilled at what he does, but he's not a meta human.
07:49 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So to set up this salvation as a prison for meta's, but Chris is the first one that gets sent there, who is he's not a meta, as far as I know, um,
08:04 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: because of Rick's flags, hatred for him, and then reflect, looking like a man possessed at certain points of the episode, like his face, it looks like the demonic almost, like something else is controlling him.
08:18 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt like
08:19 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there something in his brain that likes drug him or something to make him turn so completely that it just didn't land well for me.
08:31 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's one of my major gripes with the episode.
08:38 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Sasha, again, I'm going off on what Aaron said to me, there's a point I think they were laying in bed and she's looking, you know, her eyes are wide open, which is like she's off in outer space and I'm thinking to myself, who is she getting in the direction from?
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it looks like she was downloading something, it just didn't look
08:58 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: As if she was just simply thinking, oh man, what am I doing here?
09:02 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It looked like there was something else going on and that was never broached.
09:07 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_02]: That was never a topic of discussion.
09:10 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why she would all of a sudden find a conscience because there was nothing leading up to this moment to tell me that she had a conscience.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
09:22 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Just for listeners at home, who are worried, I do disagree with what's being said.
09:27 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, don't you agree with her?
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, speak up, yeah.
09:30 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we want to talk about it.
09:31 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But for me, I didn't feel any tension there when she was on flag side, right?
09:38 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I never got a feeling that she was even wavering a bit on what she was.
09:45 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_02]: What they were doing.
09:47 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, I just had some problems with those two characters in particular.
09:54 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I just I wanted to see, you know, flurry, join in the team cool.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They kind of set it up a little bit, I guess.
10:06 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: When he was saying, oh, what are we doing here?
10:09 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_02]: To economic, given my high five for free and Chris?
10:14 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But does that?
10:18 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I just don't, I just didn't see like the people who turned how they were turning because nothing gave me that feeling up until they turned.
10:31 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: and that was a weird thing for me.
10:36 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
10:37 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But the episode wasn't, and again, it's not a bad episode, right?
10:43 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the stuff ads at a bio can Chris was especially poignant.
10:51 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I really thought that hardcore and Chris
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_02]: that was really playing it.
11:00 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I thought to myself, you can even, I from for myself, I thought watching Amelia can see like, almost this weight lifted off of her in this episode throughout.
11:16 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, she just changed the way her energy was in this episode.
11:21 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was really great.
11:23 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: for me.
11:23 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting because we saw her like a bookends where we saw her at the end of the first season, you know, she had to go through that intense physical therapy to, you know, walk again.
11:35 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And we saw her soften in that and we saw the after effect of that in the flashback, finally got the boat party.
11:43 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have this entire season been seeing the in between where she's like snapped and she's mad at herself like, how could you fall for the guy who killed
11:52 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we see her, you know, the other book end in this episode is her finally snapping back out of it and being like, you know what, it is what it is.
12:01 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:02 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I thought that was really well done because you guys know, I'm Holocaust number one hater.
12:08 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But that, you know, for me to be like, oh, wow, okay, this is a completely, this is a shift in a positive direction for her as a person, I felt.
12:21 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: right to start to heal.
12:24 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was really great.
12:26 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so this episode has some really great moments, but the things that stood out for me impacted how I view how I felt after I watched it.
12:41 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, nah, what the fuck now?
12:45 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, I don't, I don't even care about
12:49 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_02]: What we didn't see who didn't show up or anything camiose, none of that shit matters that it was Stickley about the people that we've watched over the last two years of of TV and Some of it just didn't land with me Hmm Aaron, do you have any other thoughts before I jump in?
13:12 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Just to go off of Jean-Wet, you were saying about Adabio.
13:17 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_04]: I think this really was such a great episode for her, especially not only thinking about her and Chris, but the scene that she has with Kia during the episode.
13:29 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_04]: It was such a nice resolution to that storyline, which we've gotten so little of the season.
13:35 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
13:36 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_04]: It almost felt like Adabio was being pushed off to the sidelines just a little bit from season one
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like a good moment of justice for her character.
13:47 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's the heart of the show for sure.
13:50 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm, get that entire, I mean, I wish we could have gotten more of those moments.
14:02 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't need to see the doors opening and closing, you know, all of that stuff if it wasn't.
14:13 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: to me.
14:14 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to do that, then make it worth something.
14:18 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have the quantum doors and they're open to different universes and you can see all these fantastical things that you don't see in the regular DCU, make it worth something.
14:28 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_02]: The opening of the doors didn't really mean much to me and I feel like it should have.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: and they didn't.
14:40 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, zombie world, somebody turns into a zombie.
14:43 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: That's normal shit, right?
14:46 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Little grum then creatures that that are each who has some normal shit.
14:51 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is, this is how they were setting up.
14:54 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is why for me, I found very satisfying the turn of,
15:00 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: flurry, sasha, and judo master, because I think they've been setting it up before this episode, and then this episode, they really laid it out, like they're just the increasing horror of these three characters watching this whole series of invent events unfold.
15:17 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like the doors.
15:18 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the glimpses into the universe's um,
15:22 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought though for me, like, as you say, like, oh, yeah, zombie world, whatever.
15:26 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I did just watch Marvel zombies, like everybody guys, whatever.
15:30 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But this, because this piecemaker has been so much more emotionally grounded, even minor characters, like, agent, client, aka, QP, he...
15:42 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: his death was first of all.
15:44 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, the visual of his face being eaten up.
15:48 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But, dad for me, that like, hit, like, this is not just a comic book, death.
15:53 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is serious and you can see.
15:59 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the acting was great across the board from all of the characters just seeing how they are, how they were all responding to it silently and how that was building.
16:09 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think maybe it comes down to this for this episode, things like, like, for me, Bordeaux's turn, not at all a surprise, not a single one of them was a surprise for me.
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What was, where I do wonder
16:24 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: where I thought it was too rushed or what they were doing was Sasha and Rick.
16:28 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why did they need to have a romantic relationship at all?
16:31 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless it is something, as you say, that she's like spying for some other entity.
16:37 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think of that, but yeah, who knows?
16:39 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
16:40 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That for me, I'm like, yeah, but why unless it's something like that, why you even have her have that relationship with Rick at all that was felt rushed like it was just they're flirting then they're embed together and then it's over.
16:52 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's just to paint Rick is a womanizer.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, obviously not remotely surprised about Rick.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: This is exactly what I was predicting.
17:04 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll take my cereal, my internet points.
17:08 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
17:10 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: In a bowl.
17:12 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Um.
17:13 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing about like so I want to pull in some things from you shared this screen brief interview and I want to pull a couple of things from there is one thing that James Gunn said in this interview I'll only this this interview in the show notes just fair warning.
17:32 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They definitely need to hire a proof reader.
17:41 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I pulled my eyebrows out and let them have it here.
17:48 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But James Gunn says in it, I love the character Rick Flag, but he thinks he is way smarter than he is.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we see it continuously.
17:55 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he can compete with Lex and there's just no way he's going to be able to.
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be great for him.
18:02 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly don't think Rick Flag Senior is evil.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't.
18:06 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's allowing himself to see the whole truth.
18:09 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The worst thing about Rick Flag is he's focused on the guy, he can do something about more easily, rather than focusing on Amanda Waller who would be more difficult to confront.
18:19 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that's fair?
18:21 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a villain, but I don't think he's evil, I just think he's an ass.
18:27 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's definitely string into the evil territory now of the news.
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_04]: doing all of this.
18:33 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't seem to have any problems with the fact that people were dying looking at these dimensional doors.
18:39 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: He just kind of kept his head down and was like, ah, what ever outside of the paperwork.
18:43 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They were like drinking and choosing.
18:45 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so weird.
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It was very strange to me.
18:50 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's loving being in the Lex crew.
18:53 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:53 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I found this concerning.
18:56 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was
18:57 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I I completely bought it.
19:00 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just didn't I just didn't because he's not he's not a single fat, you know what I mean?
19:07 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a single fat.
19:08 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's a decorated, replaced stevia as a decorated.
19:12 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
19:12 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: He personally, right?
19:15 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: who has for reasons that Chris killed his son has now become the number one anti-media human person on the planet.
19:34 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't think it's just because that I mean they laid it out in Superman and also of course
19:43 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: What happened in Superman wasn't because of the meta was because of the likes.
19:48 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but at the end of the movie, we saw him with, I'm sorry, I forget the other guy's name who's also a secretary, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
20:17 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_01]: and and Belry for whatever.
20:19 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I get I totally agree.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I get that.
20:22 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But what I'm saying is that for for his character to really become this anti-metal, that he's going to sacrifice human lives in order to get to the point that he wants to get to find this salvation, didn't land with me.
20:41 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: that he's eye-fiving the people who almost destroyed metropolis and drinking with them and basically just having a grand old time didn't land with me.
20:52 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the difference is you know I didn't like him going into this so I'm yep he's just to phrase it the other way what we I've been paraphrasing out of bio what she said to hardcore he's exactly the person that I thought it was so yeah I didn't
21:11 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Senior.
21:13 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't like it.
21:13 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like them in creature commandals and I thought he was shitty when he handed over soups with saying all that and I can do about it whatever.
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a good person.
21:24 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what I'm saying.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying he's a good person.
21:26 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I had empathy for him and creature commanders.
21:30 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what I am saying is that I just don't understand, like, the level of comfort that he displays with the people who almost Detroit destroyed my trouble is just to get Chris out of the way, didn't land with it, it just didn't.
21:46 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, I just, I just wasn't, I don't think, yeah, I just wasn't surprised that Rick Fiber would do that.
21:54 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the, as we said, it comes from where we have different opinions going in.
21:58 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But one thing that I thought was,
22:02 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: just chilling, but well-handled in a well-handled and chilling way is the fact that because Chris is not meta, putting him in salvation, you know, this other world that they find will do the whole breakdown with the comics connections next week.
22:20 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But putting him in this world means that
22:26 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: it helps with the not-looking racist against Meta's part because he can say, look, there's not Meta's there too, just the ones that I personally hate, you know.
22:38 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think that that's so real and on point and gross and chilling and yeah.
22:47 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, overall, obviously, I, I like the finale.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved the concerts.
22:53 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It made me, or I was thinking, making me think of Blue Cage, like I missed that about that show where you just kind of, there's a concert every episode.
23:01 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:02 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I agree with Erin that I think gun probably just set expectations to high.
23:09 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, you know, and, and to quote again, the interview that you shared, he said, in perception where a client lost his face is the biggest thing we've ever done on the show from a visual effects perspective.
23:24 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can see that that those were some complicated, elaborate visual effects.
23:29 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And the montage of Argus exploring all the doors is the longest action sequence we've ever done on any episode of peacemakers.
23:36 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So we really have the two biggest set pieces from the show in episode eight, but at the end of the day, the story is really about the people, so we spend just as much time with the boat sequence.
23:44 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And for me, the real heart of the series takes place and that little hotel room seen with everyone talking to Chris.
23:51 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it was
23:56 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: it was the action even though it was expensive and long it didn't feel as actiony and maybe that's what people were missing because there's been like we didn't get to see judo master fight any one or you know kicks went in the phase or eagerly like to go another eye or whatever um we've gotten better fight sequences earlier but
24:15 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't I think that this wasn't about because like who we're going to see fight at this point.
24:21 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it had to become our group against the world.
24:25 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The 11th Street kids expanded against you know what they're seeing this this crushing down of a
24:35 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you just watch the long walk and everything's reminding me of that now I think that this was primarily for me the reason why I liked it is because it was an emotional episode
24:51 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that, you know, I, of course, I expected something different as Aaron said.
24:58 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not what I expected going in.
25:00 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I expected a big Marvel style cameo fest, and that's not where Gun went.
25:04 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I see why people got misled, but it's not like we didn't get cameo as a season, you know.
25:10 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: um, they just weren't in this episode.
25:12 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of like, that this was just, it was an emotional season overall.
25:19 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was an emotional ending, an ending that tended to those emotions for me, you know, wrapped up the beats.
25:27 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: of this story so that we have this well-established team that I'm rooting for.
25:31 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If they just show up aside characters in the next thing, I'm invested in them and rooting for them.
25:38 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I do want there to be something else.
25:41 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I want there to be a checkmate show that would be so much fun because I just want to see all these characters interacting with each other because that's my favorite part.
25:51 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounds like James Gunn is going to be deploying them throughout the DCU, so I'm hoping in lanterns, we will see them too.
26:00 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, except for Klein, no one, and all those other nameless agents, no one major died, which was kind of a surprise.
26:08 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, uh, Klein dying.
26:10 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It was Klein being dead as
26:14 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched it.
26:15 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched it.
26:15 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, I mean, it's not a major character, but it hit me.
26:19 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It hit me at all.
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, okay.
26:23 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
26:24 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
26:25 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_04]: I will say that whole CGI slot fest with all of the alien creatures in the candy dimension.
26:34 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_04]: It did not work for me.
26:35 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_04]: What's so evidently, it felt like such.
26:39 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_04]: a departure from the rest of the episode, which, like you said, Alicia, the strongest parts of this episode are where they're being emotional and really like digging into the characters.
26:49 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_04]: And that scene just did nothing for me.
26:52 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_04]: It was so, I thought it was stupid and not in the camp and fun way that I've come to expect in the show.
26:59 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And to piggyback off of what you both just said,
27:08 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have been perfectly cool with just honing in on these characters.
27:20 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to, you know, 10 minute music video montage that's shown them, you know, throwing money and setting up the office is really showing us them setting up the offices and stuff like that.
27:35 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you would rather just like ten months later or something?
27:40 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't need the doors, like because all of these things happening all at once.
27:47 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_02]: the thing that landed to me mostly was the stuff with the 11th street crew.
27:57 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And if we have spent the majority of our episode with them navigating how they're going and what they're going to be doing and how they're going to be doing it, leading up to whatever future they're
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_02]: but the departures, from them.
28:23 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What were the departures the doors?
28:26 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: the doors just because the music scenes I just here's where I'm going to just push back a little bit and not push that I enjoy and that's for how you would handle differently because the whole the doors thing was for me I do think as I said they've been setting it up all season especially the most recent episodes about these three.
28:49 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_01]: leaving Argus, you know, being unhappy there, but the door's whole thing for me was what really made that work.
28:57 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So if we took that out, then you're saying there's not enough of that.
29:01 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If we took that out there would be even less of it.
29:04 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And then also the music sequence, like, would you rather have that, or would you rather just have a 10 months later card and they're in the office?
29:20 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: should have been a cold open, it didn't have to, for me, the chopping of the boat sequence didn't.
29:31 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
29:31 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Just, just clear that up.
29:35 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I would have rather that maybe a 10-month later type of situation.
29:41 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And I pulled 10 months out of the air by the way.
29:44 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
29:51 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like, again, I hear you saying that the doors were integral to seeing Flurry, Judo Master and Sasha say no more to this.
30:05 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, the doors to me were never about Judo Master, Sasha and Flurry, saying no more this shit.
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what the doors represented to
30:18 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but they did tip go to great efforts to show that in this episode.
30:24 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I get it.
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's he comes specifically.
30:27 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I didn't care about for me.
30:31 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I didn't care about their development in lieu to the doors.
30:36 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The doors were something that, when Gunset this episode and this is what Aaron said earlier,
30:46 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: this episode is what did he say?
30:48 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_02]: How do he praise it?
30:49 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is the, did you say Aaron?
30:52 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be the great book.
30:54 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it what I said or what James Guns said?
30:57 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like this was going to be like, oh, yeah, this was like, it was the biggest thing or whatever.
31:04 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think, well, what Aaron said to properly attribute about
31:12 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if that whole sequence, I was obviously a big, expensive sequence in Kennyland and it sounds like that didn't hit for most people, it wasn't my favorite part of the episode also except for the way that it, the way that it ended with the fact that it was something cute.
31:29 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: that seems at first like oh, and then actually eight climbs face and you're like holy shit.
31:35 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: This is real.
31:36 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't know what we're messing with that aspect, but it does seem like especially considering most people didn't resonate with it.
31:43 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been done cheaper and more effectively.
31:47 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
31:48 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_02]: What I'm saying is that when gun spoke of this episode, he was like, this is that so, right?
31:55 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Before the episode dropped, he's like, this is that so.
31:58 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So in my mind, I'm like, hi, this is the episode.
32:01 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a six and then that's right, yeah.
32:03 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
32:04 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm like, okay, yeah, this is going to be it.
32:06 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is the shit.
32:07 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'm, this is what I've been waiting for.
32:10 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to tell me everything I need to know about soups.
32:12 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to let me know who the big bats are.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the episode.
32:19 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And just like Chris found out that his best possible dimension was not the best possible dimension.
32:25 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I found out that this was not the best type of episode that James Gunner promised me.
32:32 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It just felt like I would have rather spent the time with the crew and lead to the next thing.
32:43 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm, you know, it, it, it.
32:48 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_02]: again, the Gremlin's didn't land for me, the zombies didn't land for me, they were colonial out there.
32:56 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call them the Gremlin from now until I die, the Gremlin, that's it, you're baby and laughing for me, the colonial zombies, nah, you know, it, it, it just.
33:09 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you were shown all of these things, to get me to understand why the three people who changed, changed, that didn't work for me.
33:21 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I still have questions about why they did what they did, because she was ready to shoot Chris.
33:28 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_02]: in the head.
33:29 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: No quance body.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_02]: No problems.
33:33 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
33:34 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was to rest.
33:37 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Flurry is who flurry is.
33:39 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the moment that, you know, he had with economists, you're telling me, you know, this is where he started his shift, right?
33:52 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been in the agency for how long.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:55 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: How much shit has... Well, very specifically, the way that we see him on screen, how much shit do we think this guy has done?
34:03 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That is not savory.
34:06 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I mean... Flurry, not nearly as much as Rick Flag.
34:10 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we keep seeing every time Flurry gets a chance.
34:13 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's...
34:14 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: says terrible things.
34:16 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's terrible in a specific way, but I would much sooner put my life.
34:21 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_01]: My life in his hands and Rick Flags because Flurry has time and time again shown that he does have morality where it counts.
34:28 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, where it comes down to actually like, let's not actually kill people.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of morality.
34:34 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas flag constantly doesn't seem to value other lives.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unless it's a son.
34:45 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's go back on you with you anything to add and also got to ask about your opinion about the vigilante flurry, a spider-fax team up.
34:56 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that was the best resolution I could have hoped for with the two of these guys having someone to bounce off of because nobody wants to deal with either of their bullshit.
35:06 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_04]: So the two of them having each other to sort of bounce off of was a nice moment at the end.
35:12 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_04]: And as far as all of the switching goes, the only one that didn't work for me was Bordeaux.
35:17 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that Judo Master had basically already flipped in my database.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, yeah.
35:23 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
35:24 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that Flurry was close enough after that interaction with economists.
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_04]: Or at least there were some things there there.
35:32 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_04]: But Bordeaux was really the one that came out of left field for me, which she was sent into the QUC I believe during this whole door sequence She was one of the agents that was getting herself in danger.
35:43 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She was in Bordeaux is not in the QUC
35:48 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Editor Alisha here with an apology for Aaron, I have since rewatched, and yes, she did go into the QUC, sorry.
35:55 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the team that found salvation was comprised of her Amelia and the other woman whose name were about to discuss.
36:04 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: but she was the one that like when when titties came back after and sorry I forgot her really angler I think when she came back she's to be forever.
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The actress herself is like cool.
36:17 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I love that that's going to be right at name forever.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But after age and crying got his face eat them eating off.
36:26 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She came to Sasha and was like age and crying just kind of face eating off and that's where you see Sasha's face go oh shit.
36:34 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just, I also want to know where the whole cyborg thing factors in, which you guys have talked about a little bit, but something that wasn't quite adding up to plus two was not forthaling for.
36:47 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
36:50 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, this definitely, this episode over all got the coolest reception.
36:55 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There, it's definitely got very mixed reactions.
36:58 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a 6.8 for this versus before the lowest episodes were 7.7.
37:04 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So the highest episode 6 and 7 were 9.2.
37:09 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is what we're hearing, feeling a lot of this, you know, in the discussion that discord discussion here, people are like,
37:18 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so geared up and then not feeling it.
37:21 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Jean, do you want to read?
37:24 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We got an email from Ken W. Our friend from Dublin.
37:27 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to read it?
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:30 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Ken W. Hey, always get to hear from me.
37:35 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He writes in.
37:36 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, the last episode of both Peace Maker and your pod was the best so far.
37:43 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And as I've said in many, many times, just love John's honesty on everything.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you, Ken.
37:48 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we kick and rocks, man.
37:49 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We kick and rocks.
37:51 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, now to the matter in hand, the series finale.
37:55 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, it just didn't land too much going on.
37:59 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And what the hell was going on with flag and Lexus gang?
38:02 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_02]: If it was a season finale, it might make some sense.
38:05 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_02]: But from a fantastic season one through seven, didn't this.
38:11 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_02]: very disappointed, looking forward to listening to the podcast coverage.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep on kicking those rocks.
38:16 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Ken, thank you, Ken, for your very kind words and great email.
38:22 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think?
38:24 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I've heard some people who are afraid, and I guess you expressed some of this too of the story not continuing, but I'm not worried about that because
38:38 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: James Gunn and the studio, they see how much people love these characters, which is probably why we didn't get an any major deaths in this finale, but also James Gunn has said, you know, in interviews after this, he said that their characters that he personally cares about, and that of the studio, or go ahead of the studio, basically that's going to mean that they persist and he says he knows that the flagships of the bread are of course Superman and Batman and
39:09 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But he wants to also turn characters, he specifically said like piecemaker into flagships of the DCU as well.
39:18 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's like I'm going to go with the big names and also These characters that I have a personal love for and that I see the audience has a love for They're going to play a big role as well.
39:30 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So, peacemakers kind of like his Iron Man?
39:33 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess so.
39:34 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good way of putting it.
39:36 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think I'm okay with that having a little bit of a different anchor for this DC universe.
39:41 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't need everything to be Batman Superman and Aquaman, which I would still love to get them.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_04]: I would still love to get them, though.
39:50 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to kick rock so that I need these characters.
39:56 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're not getting Aquaman any time soon because we're getting Lobo first instead.
40:03 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, let's distance everyone forget he played Aquaman because he was always supposed to be Lobo.
40:09 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:09 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not to draw another Marvel connection, but I'm okay with the DC you being a little bit more of a street level kind of spider-man-y type of vibe for now at least with the TV shows.
40:23 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
40:23 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:24 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't disagree.
40:24 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you have to have these sorts of, you know, other type of characters for people to hold on to.
40:33 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
40:33 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody can be, um, often space fighting, you know, space guards in the such.
40:39 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it absolutely makes sense, you know, to be grounded in this way.
40:47 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Would peace make it have been my Iron Man, no?
40:51 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But hey, whatever, it's, you know, these two seasons have been really great for that character.
41:00 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So in the way that I reimagine the character, because from the comics to the screen, and these two seasons, and it's not the appearances and the movies, but just this television show.
41:16 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it has done wonders for how I view the character, because from page to suicide squad to whatever else, not my kind of, no, right, but watching the television show has given me a different perspective on the character.
41:31 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the kudos to James Gunn for doing that, back to the season finale, again,
41:43 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_02]: a series finale of this way in this way.
41:48 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we can think of it as a series finale in the way we would if it weren't a connected universe.
41:55 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we always knew, obviously, that this was going to set up Man of Tomorrow.
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And the rest of the DCU for that matter.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So we know that the story is continuing.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that these characters are continuing.
42:10 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that we will get a resolution to what's going on in that salvation place for Christmas left is,
42:16 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: it's central to what's happening next in the DCU.
42:19 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have to worry that like Chris is going to be left there for gotten.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
42:24 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's different than, you know, then a standalone series where this would be really unsatisfying as an ending, obviously.
42:35 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, my question is how much of a role will they play in that?
42:39 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Because in the supermanly, a significant one.
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not all going to be in one movie.
42:47 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's going to be, I do anticipate, at least some cameos in Lantern in Lanterns.
42:54 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I think Chris particularly will probably play a more significant role, just because he is the guinea pig and salvation, and yeah, there's more things to be planned in the future, and we don't know what they're working on behind the scenes.
43:08 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But it would be great if we just had like,
43:12 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_01]: a funny case of the week checkmate show where we got to see these ridiculous characters be ridiculous together and a low stake street level sort of way.
43:25 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Checkmate isn't low stakes though.
43:28 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's also they are going to play a big role in the rest of the DCU, James Goddard made that clear.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
43:38 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have like three big powers in a way that are in a wrecked.
43:43 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We have Argus in the US government.
43:45 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We have the Justice Gang who are aligned with the soups with, you know, by that I mean superman and supergirl specifically.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have now checkmate.
43:55 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited to see how are these three big entities going to work together or against each other in what ways?
44:06 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: to resolve what we know it's coming.
44:08 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think you're right, Jean, we're going to give you your points for it does seem to be pointing in the direction of a certain new God.
44:20 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about that next week.
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's talk about that.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But I want points, I want cereal.
44:24 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, everybody, you want to send me some posters, whatever you want to send me, I want all the prizes, all of them.
44:35 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
44:36 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, these have been not unexpectedly some hot takes.
44:42 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We are, as you said, we're going to dig into this.
44:45 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go through the episode, you know, plot line by plot line as we normally do in about a week from now.
44:51 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So it gives us some time to think things over.
44:53 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You watch, you know, see more about what is released in the media about this, whether there's any more developments about what's coming next in the DCO.
45:05 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We will be back in a week, but you guys have any final thoughts, Aaron?
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, not really.
45:11 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you guys for having me on again this week.
45:13 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_04]: This has been a super fun season.
45:15 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking forward to one more episode of coverage for us to really get into the nitty gritty of this episode.
45:23 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and by the way, we definitely want to hear what you, dear listeners at home, think about the thought about the finale.
45:30 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Please send your thoughts to comics versus comics vs at the lorehounds.com.
45:35 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find that link in the show notes or in the link tree in the show notes.
45:38 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find the discord link and you can jump into our DC forum where there are piecemaker chats per episode.
45:44 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we would love to hear more from the community on this one, especially considering
45:50 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: reactions are all over the place right now.
45:52 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it makes for the novel before we go.
45:55 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Question for you guys.
45:56 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: What about the music?
45:58 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what do you mean?
46:00 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Which was your favorite?
46:02 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've grown very fond over the course of this season, too, oh, Lord.
46:07 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is literally my spirit song.
46:09 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So I love seeing it show up in the finale.
46:15 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the concerts as goofy as they were.
46:18 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_04]: It was goofy in a way that I really enjoyed.
46:20 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was a fun, very James Gunthing to do.
46:24 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed the rock, but concert.
46:28 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was.
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know Nelson.
46:31 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know this.
46:31 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There's apparently a different song of theirs that was famous back in the day.
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't familiar, but I liked what I heard.
46:38 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that whole, that was one of my favorite scenes with them on the boat, you know, listening to the music and just vibing out.
46:47 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wish, you know, more of that personal stuff for me.
46:52 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what landed the most from me in this episode with personal touches.
46:57 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:58 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe if there was a way for them to do the door thing where it was focused on our crew, maybe that would have landed better.
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.
47:11 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we would have had to have lost one of our crew, but it's so could have been clean anyway.
47:18 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron our art guru.
47:20 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you again for the cover arts and how is what's going on in radioactive ramblings.
47:25 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_04]: It looks like we're gonna be breaking up the next two episodes.
47:31 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So episodes five and six of Jen VR gonna be coming out as one episode, just because we have lots of scheduling conflicts and things have been going wrong with trying to find a time to record.
47:42 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_04]: So we are gonna bunch them up a little bit more than we would have liked to begin with.
47:47 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_04]: But that'll just give us a little bit more time to do some comprehensive coverage.
47:51 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're looking forward on radioactive ramblings to talking about that.
47:56 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_04]: today, Saturday, October 11th, five and six come out.
48:01 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
48:02 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_04]: I believe so.
48:02 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_04]: It should be out tonight, if not early tomorrow.
48:05 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
48:06 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
48:07 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's an editing land.
48:12 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So check out the link in the show is the radio active ramlings and also you'll find in the link tree links to our other affiliates, never mind the music, where psychology meets music.
48:21 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's also
48:22 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: David did a really great episode looking back on their season one.
48:27 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find that in the Laura Hounds feed.
48:29 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: There was some really touching and cool insight there, so definitely recommend checking that out if you haven't yet.
48:36 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, properly Howard just wrapped up their bacon wrap season.
48:41 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we'll be hearing from them.
48:44 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know David says he hears rumblings.
48:47 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They're thinking about what the next season will be.
48:49 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we'll hear from them more soon.
48:50 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But not only have time to catch up on the last one, um, we'll shift dust watch out for Frankenstein and Dune.
48:58 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The Star Wars can in timeline podcast as at the name says on the tin.
49:06 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: No, so we have foundation season three and alien earth the wrap up episodes both of them are out right now and if you haven't listened you should listen because fantastic stuff being said and both of those we have the spooktober movie delight and it's weapon.
49:27 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen it yet?
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I did see it.
49:29 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
49:30 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you like it?
49:30 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't vote for weapons, but
49:36 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
49:37 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fair.
49:38 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, then we have, um, so what do you want to tell you?
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you, where do you, uh, what did, did you see it?
49:44 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see weapons?
49:45 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Not yet.
49:46 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been trying to make my way through some scary movies this October and I, that one hasn't quite gotten to me yet.
49:53 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it a horror movie or is it just kind of a Halloweeny?
49:56 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: it's it's a horror movie.
49:58 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_04]: It's funny.
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also very funny.
50:01 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as scary as barbarian was his last one.
50:05 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one's going to be.
50:07 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:10 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Sean.
50:11 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, I think you're right.
50:12 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think barbarians is probably scary.
50:16 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_02]: More jumpscares, I think.
50:17 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:20 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
50:20 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So what else is happening?
50:21 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_02]: David has got some more things planned.
50:24 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like going Jurassic with Tansy Darden and the Heat Def guys upcoming this week we're going to do one battle
50:34 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_02]: After another with me, David and Anthony, that's going to be fun.
50:38 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I got thoughts, I got thoughts.
50:44 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Del Toro's Frankenstein episode is in November.
50:46 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you had a night, yeah, Alicia.
50:48 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's got to be you, me and John.
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's see.
50:53 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone else want to switch?
50:56 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And the piecemaker feed, Marvel will be added soon.
51:00 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find all those episodes in the main Gohound feed.
51:05 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
51:06 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the piecemaker feed will later be converted soon after we're done with the season to the comics versus feed.
51:13 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be all DC and Marvel, but for now it's DC.
51:17 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, like Alicia said, any feedback is welcome.
51:20 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You could get us at comics versus at the lawhouse.com.
51:25 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to hear what you guys out there who are listening, what you're watching, your thoughts on what we're saying.
51:33 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the discussion is always a fun thing.
51:36 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's discuss.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
51:41 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you can also help us just by sharing this episode with anyone else who's a piece maker fan who has their own thoughts about this season and then tell them to share their thoughts with us.
51:51 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You can also leave ratings reviews positive, please.
51:55 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you to all of our listeners who have done so.
51:58 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just you can't I can't overstate what a huge help it is.
52:03 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll find links in the show notes all the things that we've been talking about or the link tree if you don't
52:09 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And also you'll find links to supercast and patreon where subscribers get ad free access to all of our podcast plus bonus content there are some shows to get season passes like alien earth is an active season pass right now where there's David and I just did an episode comparing
52:27 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Frankenstein with the characters there, he just did another episode talking more about Peter Pan, and how it's used there with Isha, and there's a deep dive into the music of Alien Earth with Mark from Nevermind the Music in coming as well.
52:41 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's go on there.
52:42 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Real quick, real quick.
52:44 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say thank you for everyone on Alien Earth, all the Peter Pan talk, I'll give you appreciated it.
52:52 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you've read it.
52:54 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Never read it.
52:54 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you watched the movies though, right?
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the movie.
52:59 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the Robin Williams movie.
53:02 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, not the Disney one, even.
53:04 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I never watched the Disney one.
53:06 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
53:07 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I prefer the Robin Williams movie to be honest.
53:10 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Erin, are you a Peter Panfen?
53:13 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, not particularly, I don't know how to come on this side and join me, it's okay, it's alright.
53:25 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not a particular fan, but I have been loving the conversations about that.
53:29 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't been watching Alien Earth, but I have been listening to the podcast and all of the Peter Pan conversations have been super interesting.
53:37 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I love those types of literary comparisons.
53:39 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_04]: So, couldn't recommend going and listening to those stuff.
53:44 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and then that's, it's been cool how they use it in Alien Earth because they just really lean into Peter Panis kind of a spooky messed up book.
53:53 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, anyway, if you just want those episodes, there's a the 10 dollar season pass.
54:01 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are a monthly subscriber, then you have access to all of that plus yeah, I just add for you everything and extras like what you watching.
54:10 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be I saw there's a great British bake-off what you're watching coming.
54:15 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm planning some what you watch in about film festivals.
54:17 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to that will be talking about Oscar movies and and horror sci-fi and fantasy movies and then also we have our monthly second breakfast and 11's episodes We just recorded the pumpkin and squash second breakfast episode which will be coming out today as as this episode as well
54:38 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Spooktober, yeah, we put it to a vote as you heard reference to which Spooktober franchise would win.
54:46 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's Zach Krieger horror films.
54:48 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to do a subscriber only 11Z's lower down between Barbarian from 2022 and Panian from 2025.
54:58 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the public episode is going to be indeed weapons from 2025.
55:01 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And November, we already have picked.
55:04 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's
55:08 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_01]: honoring Robert Redford.
55:11 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And Aaron helped me pick the music for today.
55:16 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_01]: From the 80s folder, we've got hairstyle haze.
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55:34 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you especially to our highest tier of subscribers, the lower masters, Samarshan, Michael G, Michelle E, Brian P. S.C.
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56:12 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: S. Mick C. and always last.
56:16 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Audrey Odd.
56:18 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron, final thoughts, do you still gonna tell James gun to keep doing what he's doing?
56:24 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna tell him to do what he was doing now.
56:27 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a good way.
56:35 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good way.
56:35 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good way.
56:37 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sean, take it's out.
56:38 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, fight me.
56:40 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Just New York City Comic Con.
56:42 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I would be the perfect time.
56:45 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_02]: to announce that dancing Idris has been recast and made the Charlotte for the upcoming Marvel Cinematic Universe.
56:55 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Just do it.
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